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| 00:04.44 | emv | ,v librtlsdr-dev |
| 00:04.46 | judd | Package: librtlsdr-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.3-3; stretch: 0.5.3-11+b2; buster: 0.6-1; bullseye: 0.6.0-3; sid: 0.6.0-3 |
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| 00:05.55 | emv | the funny thing about librtlsdr-dev is that another popular distro derived from debian also has a version 0.6.0-3 but it has different patches applied. |
| 00:07.47 | brutser | AndreasLutro: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/drm/card0 < according to that output, would my line look: KERNEL=="card0", SUBSYSTEM=="drm", ENV{DISPLAY}=":0" < where can i read this part? |
| 00:08.04 | brutser | is it :01 in this case? |
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| 00:16.47 | sponix | ,v obs-studio |
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| 00:40.26 | iiwwii | hi all. ive moved a debian installation to a new machine with a different network hard. i have a keyboard and mouse plugged in too. it doesnt get an ip address. starting dhcp i see "failed to load rtl_nic" |
| 00:41.09 | iiwwii | i think it's missing realtek drivers what are availible as "firmware-realtek" from some apt repo |
| 00:41.34 | iiwwii | what#s the easiest way to put these on a usb stick or something to install them offline? |
| 00:43.05 | dvs | iiwwii, https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/firmware-realtek/download |
| 00:44.00 | emv | then install with dpkg -i or apt install |
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| 00:44.21 | iiwwii | great! thank you kindly |
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| 01:03.12 | lwp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.59 | iiwwii | it works :) thank you. one strange thing. before when i booted it would get an address automatically. now it only works after typing "dhclient" |
| 01:04.10 | iiwwii | is there a systemd unit or something i can enable? |
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| 01:08.54 | sney | iiwwii: you probably just need to fix /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:17.14 | lwp | d1g1ta1, if you are stuck, in the graphical installer, you can switch to a rescue shell with ctrl-alt-F2, and try to see what is the problem. |
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| 01:19.16 | iiwwii | sney yes that's it. the name of the interface changed - thanks :) |
| 01:19.28 | sney | np |
| 01:20.04 | Tjowers | Screw X -- Wayland does all the work with a better architecture. So run wayland server, no need for GLFW, install wayland-client, write a client that opens windows, then from there we hit it with vulkan -- anyone down? We need to get a serious GUI to linux and start getting the general public switched over |
| 01:20.45 | sney | I think that is the general idea |
| 01:21.40 | Tjowers | We need a GUI, a gaming engine, a gaming engine IDE, a better terminal, a better shell (lower priority), and a better file explorer (drag and drop important) |
| 01:22.12 | Tjowers | And libreoffice needs to either step it up or get dropped and make sure users can find microsoft office in the app store |
| 01:22.39 | sney | I'm sure most of those things are on the respective development roadmap(s) |
| 01:23.07 | sney | but this is a support channel, so soapboxing is probably not going to accomplish much. you could always join one or more of those projects and contribute, though. |
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| 01:25.11 | Tjowers | No I'll set up a repo for all the things that need to be made with a full description of what needs to be done, then I'll start working on it on the side, other people will probably join, I want a fresh compilation of linux as high as it can get with the latest gcc, binutils, and glibc -- cloned and building the master branches As-We-Speak |
| 01:25.54 | Tjowers | Idk if I should use debian as the base or go with arch |
| 01:26.03 | lwp | Tjowers, maybe you could sponsor some student programmers to do some of the actual work |
| 01:26.34 | znf | If you need all those things, I don't think linux is the right OS for you |
| 01:26.51 | annadane | get the gsoc people to do it when they inevitably come in here looking for projects :P |
| 01:27.21 | Tjowers | 100 -- I'll write the header files then get some eager "interns" to start working on it, give them the build environment so they don't have to worry about how to get their dependencies and fix their build errors -- the libraries for this stuff is pretty straight-foreword |
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| 01:27.49 | lwp | Tjowers, if you are thinking of starting an entire new distro, you probably need to fine-tune you sales pitch to be more tempting than the above rant |
| 01:27.58 | sney | people have been making derivative distros with lofty goals for decades. as it turns out, "this stuff is pretty straight-foreword"(sic) is little more than famous last words, in most cases |
| 01:28.00 | Tjowers | Wayland server and client https://jan.newmarch.name/Wayland/ProgrammingClient/ |
| 01:28.06 | sney | the most successful example was probably ubuntu |
| 01:28.14 | znf | I mean, LibreOffice alone is a mammoth. And as much as I like Open Source software, it will never actually reach the capabilities of MS Office. |
| 01:28.19 | annadane | https://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 01:29.03 | znf | Libre is "good enough" if you just want to open up a document, or just write something simple, but when it comes to authoring tools, it pales in comparision to MS Office :-/ |
| 01:29.06 | znf | Which is quite sad |
| 01:29.08 | sney | your best bet for the most progress is to contribute work to projects that already exists, rather than making your own more different OS with blackjack and hookers |
| 01:29.54 | Tjowers | No libre is disgusting if you haven't been traumatized by the world of engineering |
| 01:30.45 | znf | I'll repeat: LibreOffice is /good enough/ if you want to open up a document. That's it. |
| 01:30.59 | Tjowers | No they aren't moving fast enough and aren't projecting anything exciting enough to get people motivated |
| 01:31.00 | znf | Anything else more complex, nope. |
| 01:31.24 | sney | LO will probably never escape its staroffice roots. someone needs to build an office suite from the ground up. will they? idk, I doubt it, everything is moving into the browser |
| 01:31.38 | znf | Heck, even Google Docs pales in comparision to MS Office |
| 01:31.41 | Tjowers | Yeah, if you want to actually use Linux you need stuff like that to look sexy |
| 01:32.00 | Tjowers | Cover your mistakes with spinning bars |
| 01:32.18 | znf | I've had to use Google Spreadsheets for some JSON data a few times, and the experience was horrible |
| 01:32.43 | Tjowers | Yeah, look, either it gets stepped up or it gets dropped entirely -- or change the name to Excel Viewer |
| 01:33.06 | znf | what's stopping you from creating something from scratch? :P |
| 01:33.34 | sney | welp, not like anyone could convince me not to join an indie distro project in 2005, so I hope whatever project you actually get off the ground succeeds |
| 01:33.36 | znf | I look forward to it! |
| 01:33.45 | Tjowers | Need an IDE for developers to easily make apps like they do for iPhone and OSx it needs drag and drop and colors and hide everything super magic, like disney world level |
| 01:34.05 | znf | You mean, like.... VS Code, which, last time I checked, runs on linux? |
| 01:35.08 | Tjowers | Yeah I'll start writing the projects out in repos over the next few weeks, I'm working mostly on making connections with people here in san fran -- get something rolling, then I can talk people into using it for free -- in-OS-purchases will work well enough |
| 01:35.39 | znf | Can I invest $1 in your project, so when you eventually grow I can reap $100.000 ? |
| 01:35.54 | Tjowers | I could incorporate |
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| 01:36.46 | avu | they must already have millions for such a project to have a chance, given the many man-years of work it'll need, I doubt your $1 is wanted ;p |
| 01:36.51 | Tjowers | I want to start a business for real-estate property-shares trading online -- the Estate Exchange -- I know a few people in SF that work at the high-level for commercial real-estate |
| 01:37.04 | Tjowers | Penny stocks |
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| 01:37.12 | Tjowers | Ok guys TTL |
| 01:37.20 | znf | avu, he's very ambitions, can't you tell? |
| 01:37.35 | znf | I'm sure my $1 will get me $100.000 in no-time |
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| 01:38.30 | znf | yes, I was being sarcastic |
| 01:38.33 | sney | ever get cornered at a party by a cokehead with a new business idea? |
| 01:39.08 | znf | not since ~10 years or so, you see, I worked in night clubs during my early 20s |
| 01:39.22 | sney | I don't think the experience ever changes |
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| 01:39.54 | Kobaz | why is #debian-next invite only? |
| 01:39.58 | Kobaz | anyone know? |
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| 01:40.05 | avu | Kobaz: wrong network, it's on OFTC |
| 01:40.09 | Kobaz | oh |
| 01:40.12 | Kobaz | mmm |
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| 01:40.27 | Kobaz | trying to find out if there's a debian-debug for testing |
| 01:40.30 | znf | Kobaz, secret meeting, they are changing to the freebsd kernel and they don't want peopel to know |
| 01:40.35 | Kobaz | Err:9 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-debug testing-debug Release 404 |
| 01:40.37 | Kobaz | heh |
| 01:40.54 | CombatVet | is there something similar to checkinstall? |
| 01:41.02 | avu | Kobaz: testing support is in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 01:41.11 | CombatVet | i think checkinstall is not being developed anymore |
| 01:41.22 | znf | CombatVet, nah, it's pretty much dead :( |
| 01:41.43 | znf | you can get it working if you change like a billion lines |
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| 02:38.36 | annadane | how do i stop MATE from blanking my monitor after a period of inactivity? i have the mate power manager installed, i installed mate via mate-desktop-environment-core but there doesn't seem to be anything in power management settings |
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| 02:46.24 | somiaj | annadane: does xset -s off && xset -dpms help? |
| 02:46.43 | somiaj | xorg has its own default blanking and dpms for the monintor setings |
| 02:46.56 | annadane | i just thought running a DE would bypass that |
| 02:47.39 | annadane | btw, -s isn't an option, i assume you mean s |
| 02:47.52 | annadane | i think -dpms is correct though |
| 02:47.55 | somiaj | oh yea, no - |
| 02:48.34 | annadane | well i set it, i'll see if it works |
| 02:48.52 | annadane | weird that mate's power manager seems to have the option but xfce's does |
| 02:49.06 | annadane | seems to not* have the option but xfce's does |
| 02:52.01 | annadane | i haven't tried running xfce's power manager in mate, maybe i could consider it, not sure if it would work |
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| 02:52.40 | somiaj | Yea, I'm surprised the option is not there (or maybe it is hidden somewhere). I don't use any DE, but do know about the default console blanking of xorg. |
| 02:54.27 | somiaj | sometimes things are orginized in such a way that doesn't make sense. For instance this could be under 'display settings' and not 'power management' |
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| 03:03.38 | annadane | separate question, what is the difference between nodejs and npm? |
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| 03:04.08 | annadane | from apt show i guess npm is the package manager and nodejs is the... framework |
| 03:06.40 | somiaj | similar to python vs pip |
| 03:07.02 | annadane | i see npm depends on nodejs so... yeah |
| 03:07.26 | annadane | isn't it nice when you answer your own questions? |
| 03:07.39 | sponix | all that node stuff is a pain in the ass. I highly recommend messing with it in a VM, or some container type, and not letting it foul up your Host OS |
| 03:08.21 | annadane | it's for a specific program, but yeah, maybe |
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| 03:39.52 | annadane | sponix, can you elaborate why it's not good to have node on my main system? |
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| 03:41.19 | somiaj | annadane: similar to pip, if you just start using npm to install stuff you can create a mess that is a bit hard to handel and have stuff installed outside of .deb (dpkg/apt) |
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| 03:42.20 | annadane | oh hmm. i don't suppose it's as easy to stick in /usr/local or /opt then like you can do with pip |
| 03:43.02 | somiaj | I'm unsure on if node/npm allows you to use some virtual enviorment (the best way to use pip) |
| 03:43.17 | somiaj | You may have to research where it actually installs stuff and how configurable it is. |
| 03:43.38 | annadane | i just realized it's an xy problem in any case |
| 03:43.44 | annadane | there's an easier way of doing what i want |
| 03:43.50 | annadane | thanks though |
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| 03:58.04 | Exaeta | Can someone tell what IP I would need to bind to to get a server working? |
| 03:58.14 | Exaeta | 0.0.0.0 is not working for whatever reason |
| 03:58.31 | Exaeta | 0.0.0.0 works fine in linux mint, but not on debian 10 |
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| 04:01.59 | Unit193 | Exaeta: Is something already bound to that port? |
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| 04:02.47 | genhaoqi | Exaeta: could you please discrible more clearly? |
| 04:04.28 | [E]sc | i'm getting systematic noise from the top left side of my laptop when using 5.5.0 kernel and gnome-shell 3.36.1. There's no noise in BIOS or tty or LXDE or kernel 5.3.0. I turned off gnome-extensions and the sound dies down eventually, but starts back up again when i open an application. the gpu temperature is around 36C, the cpu is at 41 C and the cpu fan at 2900 rpm. how can i fix this? |
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| 04:06.36 | somiaj | [E]sc: what is creating said noise? A speaker, a fan, etc? |
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| 04:06.53 | genhaoqi | [E]sc: must be the fan |
| 04:07.18 | Exaeta | Unit193: I don't think so. I tried to do srv.bind("0.0.0.0", 4000); but this didn't work... not sure what the issue is |
| 04:07.24 | Exaeta | works on my desktop |
| 04:07.27 | Exaeta | so something is different |
| 04:07.34 | Exaeta | same exact code |
| 04:08.07 | somiaj | Exaeta: Take a step back. This sounds like an XY problem. What exactly is it you are trying to do? |
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| 04:08.54 | somiaj | Exaeta: also explan what it is exactly you have done that you expect to work. |
| 04:09.20 | Exaeta | somiaj: get this program working. the program is supposed to listen on a port, and accept http requests. strangely, it works on my desktop, but not the server |
| 04:09.22 | genhaoqi | [E]sc: use top to find CPU intensive processes, or maybe the driver can not contral the fan well, |
| 04:09.22 | Exaeta | code is the same |
| 04:09.29 | somiaj | genhaoqi: I could see hardware going back creating different noises, like a capicator, hd's use to often make noise, though less common with SSDs |
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| 04:09.56 | somiaj | Exaeta: what program? What port? What error message do you get (or do you just see it isn't working) |
| 04:10.18 | somiaj | Exaeta: and by doesn't work, what tests have you done? |
| 04:11.07 | Exaeta | well, nc -l -p 4000 works |
| 04:11.18 | Exaeta | but srv.bind("0.0.0.0", 4000) doesn't |
| 04:11.26 | Exaeta | however, it behaves as-if it worked |
| 04:11.39 | Exaeta | and connections to that port hang |
| 04:12.00 | Exaeta | Only when the server program is running on the server... on the desktop, it runs fine |
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| 04:12.43 | somiaj | does this pogram produce any logs you can look at? |
| 04:13.28 | somiaj | but various tests you can see, is before you run the program check to see if anything is listing on that port with netstat, after you run the program, check netstat again and see if it is indeed listing on the prot. |
| 04:13.44 | [E]sc | somiaj: it's like a systematic scratching that's like a ticking noise. |
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| 04:15.41 | [E]sc | genhaoqi: when i switch to tty it stops or when i use LXDE. right now Xorg is using 1% of the CPU then it's gnome-shell. so i'm lost and i'm on SSD. |
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| 04:16.23 | somiaj | wonder if there is some hardawre issue in which the higher gpu ussage (it is close to the monintor that this noise is coming from) is causing an actual audiable noise. |
| 04:18.25 | genhaoqi | [E]sc: sometimes driver problem will always turn on your Graphics card |
| 04:19.22 | somiaj | though it is stange it is somehow tied to the kernel, but in general unless you have a fan/speaker/some moving part, your computer shoudl not be making noise. |
| 04:21.10 | [E]sc | somiaj: speakers are on the front of the laptop, but sound is coming from top left. i don't know if it's considered coil whine or whatever. |
| 04:23.21 | [E]sc | genhaoqi: is there a way to check which driver is turning on the GPU? |
| 04:29.19 | somiaj | [E]sc: xvinfo or glxinfo can sometimes gives clues, though checking the Xorg.0.log is the best |
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| 04:38.33 | [E]sc | somiaj: thanks i'll go try that. |
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| 05:17.07 | k3tan | i have 5 drives, all are mounted in /mnt - 2 drives show up in the sidebar on nautilus, and 3 are shown in 'other locations' - why is this? |
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| 05:19.01 | somiaj | k3tan: are they all automounted or are some manually mounted from /etc/fstab? |
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| 05:19.33 | k3tan | i went into disks and selected automount on all of them |
| 05:19.55 | somiaj | hmm, that is odd, unsure why they aren't all showing up in nautlius's side bar. |
| 05:20.09 | somiaj | I was just wondering if it treated ones that it automounted vs manually mounted differently |
| 05:20.27 | k3tan | no i made sure to have it all consistently mounted |
| 05:20.37 | k3tan | https://paste.pics/8V6MA |
| 05:21.18 | k3tan | you can see 2 disks on the side, 3 in other locations |
| 05:21.26 | k3tan | very strange |
| 05:21.28 | somiaj | yea not sure why it is separating them, if no one else ersponds here, you may want to go ask a gnome channel specifically |
| 05:21.41 | k3tan | excellent, what's a good channel to ask? |
| 05:21.44 | k3tan | #gnome? |
| 05:24.51 | somiaj | I'm unsure what gnome's irc channel would be, but if they have an offical one on freenode, that sounds reasonable |
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| 07:00.36 | m4n14c | just a lil question |
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| 07:13.20 | Unit193 | gamrix: Some packages do make use of /run/reboot-required, you can tell which by reading /run/reboot-required.pkgs |
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| 07:30.10 | Windows10 | i am here |
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| 07:31.26 | Windows10 | how do i adjust audio? my mike crackles |
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| 07:36.00 | Haohmaru | Windows10 check the settings of the program that uses it, and maybe also the settings of the device/mixer |
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| 07:48.54 | mystic | hi |
| 07:49.50 | mystic | hmm' |
| 07:50.23 | mystic | fhthtyj |
| 07:50.50 | mystic | rgegerger |
| 07:51.00 | mystic | why cant i rezize my text |
| 07:51.00 | Haohmaru | eyeballz mystic |
| 07:51.24 | Haohmaru | what IRC client do you use? |
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| 07:51.32 | mystic | hexhcat |
| 07:51.43 | mystic | i went int otext and chose bigger font but it wont go bigger |
| 07:52.00 | Haohmaru | iirc hexchat is dumb and might require a restart |
| 07:52.17 | Haohmaru | and i think it even tells you about it |
| 07:52.23 | mystic | hmm it worked now.. i think |
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| 07:52.37 | mystic | i guess the font i chose want available |
| 07:52.40 | mystic | wasnt * |
| 07:52.47 | Haohmaru | possible |
| 07:53.20 | mystic | anythings possible they say |
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| 07:54.22 | Haohmaru | optimists ;P~ |
| 07:55.47 | Wndows10 | has life made you a pessimist Hao ? |
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| 07:56.13 | Haohmaru | i don't know, i am full of mixed feelings |
| 07:56.21 | Wndows10 | its ok to be human |
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| 07:57.29 | Wndows10 | how can i stop my mic from crackiling? |
| 07:57.39 | Wndows10 | and alternate drivers i can try or something? |
| 07:58.03 | Haohmaru | are you actually using it? |
| 07:58.03 | Wndows10 | i have work and need to use mic.... i may have to use windows 10 if i cant get it sorted on mx linux |
| 07:58.12 | Wndows10 | yea |
| 07:58.29 | Haohmaru | okay, so there's sound, it's loud enough, but.. "crackles" |
| 07:59.38 | Wndows10 | yea.. it doesnt crackled in windows 10 or ubuntu.. but crackels in mx linux |
| 07:59.42 | Wndows10 | so.. a driver? |
| 07:59.51 | Haohmaru | you could try adjusting the settings, first in the program that uses the mic, then in the mixer |
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| 08:00.07 | Haohmaru | mx linux? |
| 08:00.58 | Wndows10 | mx linux yea |
| 08:01.03 | towo^work | is not debian |
| 08:01.07 | towo^work | so ask them |
| 08:01.07 | Haohmaru | that doesn't sound like debian |
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| 08:02.21 | Wndows10 | ive no idea |
| 08:02.22 | Haohmaru | crapdows10 is h0rr0r, don't go back to it, get yer mic working at all costs ;P~ |
| 08:02.35 | Wndows10 | hmm i liek win10 to be fair |
| 08:03.08 | Haohmaru | that's what they intended |
| 08:03.13 | Haohmaru | >:) |
| 08:05.48 | Wndows10 | hmm |
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| 08:10.37 | Wndows10 | dammit it wont work.... guess ill have to try another os |
| 08:10.45 | Wndows10 | cant have crackly audio for my work |
| 08:12.05 | Haohmaru | you could perhaps quickly try debian live? |
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| 08:12.22 | Wndows10 | quickly isnt possible lol |
| 08:12.30 | Haohmaru | why? |
| 08:12.50 | Wndows10 | reason i use ubuntu or mx linux etc is becasue it can be used out of the box. i tried debian before.. its a nightmare for casual user to install |
| 08:12.56 | Haohmaru | gives Wndows10 a few RedBulls |
| 08:13.09 | Haohmaru | eh? |
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| 08:13.46 | Wndows10 | mx linux rusn well on a usb stick too.. just asahme about the adio |
| 08:13.50 | Haohmaru | you get debian-netinst, graphical installation, click-clack, choose a desktop, click-clack, reboot, done |
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| 08:13.58 | Wndows10 | never seem to be able to find a perfect linux... |
| 08:14.20 | Haohmaru | you probably won't, u gotta pimp it up to your liking |
| 08:14.39 | Wndows10 | id be happy if i cna just pimp this broken audio |
| 08:14.43 | Wndows10 | the rest is fine |
| 08:14.58 | Haohmaru | and they all can be pimped up, so it's more a question of the goals of the OS and the community/support |
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| 08:15.30 | Wndows10 | cpuld use ubunt ui guess.. but it a bit heavy for usb install |
| 08:15.37 | Haohmaru | debian stable is supposed to be stable, and has plenty of folks around it (like you can see in this very channel) |
| 08:16.02 | Wndows10 | i tried it before it was scary |
| 08:16.05 | Wndows10 | really confusing |
| 08:16.14 | Haohmaru | which version? |
| 08:16.41 | Wndows10 | cant remeber |
| 08:16.50 | Wndows10 | about 3 year ago |
| 08:17.18 | Haohmaru | i had crapbuntu before, but i switched to debian stable since version 8, and i never wanna hear about crapbuntu |
| 08:17.21 | otis | debian is close to perfection |
| 08:17.39 | Wndows10 | its only perfect if you like terminal stuff |
| 08:17.47 | Wndows10 | i like guis |
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| 08:17.52 | Wndows10 | exe's |
| 08:19.25 | Haohmaru | Wndows10 wut r ya saing, there's like 5 or more different desktop environments to choose from, each with different looks and feng-shui |
| 08:19.40 | Wndows10 | i cant do the feng shui |
| 08:19.44 | Haohmaru | i'd recommend LXDE for simplicity |
| 08:19.45 | Wndows10 | i like gui and sofware centers |
| 08:19.54 | Haohmaru | software centers? |
| 08:19.58 | Wndows10 | but i need a fast one that runs off a usb |
| 08:20.10 | Wndows10 | lubuntu maybe |
| 08:20.14 | Haohmaru | lubuntu is crapbuntu with LXDE |
| 08:20.25 | Haohmaru | just get debian and select LXDE from the installer |
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| 08:20.34 | otis | you cant have an omelet without breaking the eggs, linux gives many choices pf GUI, windows standardizes much |
| 08:21.04 | Wndows10 | u can have the omlette.. ubuntu is a good omlette... just not good for usb |
| 08:21.13 | Haohmaru | crapdows says "we know ur dumb, it's okay, we'll get things ready for u" |
| 08:21.53 | Haohmaru | okay, have in mind that only debian stable is supported in this channel |
| 08:21.56 | Wndows10 | not dumb sir// just no interested in being e techno boffin |
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| 08:22.03 | Wndows10 | im just a casual user |
| 08:22.14 | Haohmaru | and perhaps older versions of it (but mostly for upgrading to current stable) |
| 08:22.54 | Haohmaru | with crapbuntu, you'd have to seek help in their channels |
| 08:23.10 | Wndows10 | come on.. we're all in this together |
| 08:23.22 | Wndows10 | ubuntu is far from crap |
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| 08:23.39 | Wndows10 | overall the best os for casual users who want to try linux i think |
| 08:23.40 | Haohmaru | yeah, so try to fix yer mic settings first, if it really doesn't work try another OS |
| 08:23.47 | Haohmaru | but i'd recommend debian stable of course |
| 08:23.59 | Wndows10 | it to hard to use |
| 08:24.04 | Wndows10 | ill try lubuntu |
| 08:24.12 | Haohmaru | try debian-live-LXDE |
| 08:24.18 | Haohmaru | run it from the usb stick |
| 08:24.26 | Haohmaru | you'll get a desktop |
| 08:24.26 | Wndows10 | to hard to instal ladn configure.. and get the software i need at a click |
| 08:25.05 | Haohmaru | then open synaptic from the "start" menu, press the update butten, then install some app that uses the mic, test it |
| 08:25.23 | Haohmaru | perhaps audacity |
| 08:25.48 | Wndows10 | i did that.. its crackly |
| 08:26.01 | BazookaTooth | just sounds like trolling at this point |
| 08:26.03 | Haohmaru | adjust settings in audacity |
| 08:26.22 | Wndows10 | sod off bazooka |
| 08:26.23 | Haohmaru | there's things like ALSA, jack, pulseaudio, blahblah |
| 08:26.30 | Wndows10 | its skype and web call chat i need to adjust tho.. |
| 08:26.46 | Wndows10 | i tried alsa and pulse... crackling wont stop even on low volume mic |
| 08:27.14 | Wndows10 | strange cos no crackle in ubuntu.. |
| 08:27.17 | Haohmaru | sounds like maybe the audio buffer is too small |
| 08:27.26 | Wndows10 | hmm |
| 08:27.33 | Wndows10 | music and everything else sounds fine tho |
| 08:27.41 | Haohmaru | where? in skype? |
| 08:27.47 | Wndows10 | anywhere |
| 08:27.53 | Wndows10 | other persons voice is fine |
| 08:28.00 | Wndows10 | its just anything coming thru my mic is bad |
| 08:28.11 | Haohmaru | each program that uses audio can decide what audio buffer to use |
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| 08:28.19 | Haohmaru | and you usually get a setting for it |
| 08:28.32 | Wndows10 | well i use skype and also a web browser chat for my work.. they both crackle |
| 08:29.31 | Haohmaru | i haven't used skype, so i can't help you with that, perhaps try ##skype or some such? |
| 08:29.47 | Wndows10 | its fine on other os's its just this os |
| 08:29.53 | Wndows10 | something wrong with it |
| 08:30.14 | Wndows10 | ill try lubuntu .. worth a go |
| 08:30.51 | Wndows10 | bye for now... |
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| 09:32.12 | ansimita | chocolate: try asking on #httpd, this channel is specifically for debian support |
| 09:32.50 | Haohmaru | chocolate did you at least websearch it? |
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| 10:30.14 | ksk | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
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| 10:56.53 | Gryllida | what package provides logging of cpu temperature to file every minute, together with time stamp of this temp? a laptop here powers off randomly and I would like to check whether this is cpu temp or not |
| 10:58.25 | ksk | mhhm, seems I am just building 5.6 from upstream using "make deb-pkg" |
| 10:59.14 | ksk | Gryllida: I could use such a tool, too - and get rid of my "watch sensors" :) |
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| 11:26.33 | ChrisWi | hi guys ... just installed stretch and asking myself how do you guys stop network ? systemctl restart networking is not doing ... ifdown enp2s0 is giving error 'ifdown: interface enp2s0 not configured' but ip addr is showing interface enp2so ... so I am a bit confused now |
| 11:27.44 | ChrisWi | even systemctl stop networking.service is not doing anything ... ip addr is still showing interfaces |
| 11:27.46 | Haohmaru | enp2s0 vs enp2so ? |
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| 11:29.24 | ChrisWi | Haohmaru: enp2s0: <BROADCA ... looks for me like a 0 (zero) not like o (small letter o) ... so what do you want to tell me ? |
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| 11:31.58 | Haohmaru | in your first sentence you wrote both |
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| 11:33.09 | Haohmaru | as for networking, i don't think i've wanted to stop it, but i usually deal with it via the network manger (it's in the system tray) |
| 11:33.11 | ChrisWi | Haohmaru: sorry for that typo ... it is enp2s0 |
| 11:34.47 | ChrisWi | Haohmaru: it is a server ... no X and hence no 'system tray' ... only console. What is the usual way to configure networking and giving the ability to start/stop/restart it ? |
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| 11:36.21 | Haohmaru | no idea |
| 11:37.56 | f8e4 | folks what is a safe sshd_config ? |
| 11:38.36 | cyveris | f8e4: Define "safe" for your purposes. |
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| 11:39.14 | ChrisWi | Haohmaru: thanks |
| 11:39.35 | f8e4 | cyveris i try to harden sshd |
| 11:39.48 | ChrisWi | f8e4: it depends on what you wnt to allow and what not ... |
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| 11:53.49 | f8e4 | only non root via pubkey |
| 11:54.14 | f8e4 | i have file open, what change? permitrootlogin no + ? |
| 11:54.21 | cyveris | f8e4: You can review what each setting does via "man sshd_config" |
| 11:54.31 | f8e4 | there is so much configureation options |
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| 11:54.51 | f8e4 | i cannot figure pam, challengresponse usepam |
| 11:55.28 | cyveris | There are a lot of options, yes, but you'll want to understand what they do before modifying that file. |
| 11:55.37 | f8e4 | i Only try to get exclusive pukey nothing. |
| 11:56.03 | f8e4 | ChallengeResponseAuthentication do i need this? |
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| 11:56.26 | cyveris | And I only want you to read the manpage you've been directed to so that you can understand for yourself how to utilize documentation and administer your system. |
| 11:56.43 | f8e4 | i have it open, its cryptic for those :D |
| 11:58.03 | cyveris | It can be cryptic, but taking the time to understand how to use that documentation will pay off massively for you. |
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| 12:11.05 | ratrace | (and ChallengeResponseAuthentication) |
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| 12:27.21 | kristijonas | debian stretch, i try to set my wifi adapter (iwlwifi) on monitor mode. after five to ten seconds it automatically gets back to managed, which I dont want to happen. Can I can debug/fix it?\ |
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| 12:43.01 | somiaj | kristijonas: how are you seting it to monitor mode? (what utility) and what do you normally use to configure the network? |
| 12:48.53 | dionysus69 | I am using cloud-init and this echo -e \"123456\n123456\" | passwd user produces passwords do not match |
| 12:49.05 | dionysus69 | but when I run same exact inside bash terminal myself it works |
| 12:49.11 | dionysus69 | what can be going wrong in parsing ? |
| 12:51.21 | cyveris | dionysus69: Why wouldn't you use chpasswd? |
| 12:51.30 | dionysus69 | chpasswd isnt available to root |
| 12:52.14 | cyveris | Pardon? |
| 12:52.30 | dionysus69 | when I am using root account the command chpasswd is unknown |
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| 12:52.45 | dionysus69 | I can try it right now and it doesnt work |
| 12:53.08 | BazookaTooth | using "su -"? |
| 12:53.15 | cyveris | /usr/sbin/chpasswd |
| 12:53.28 | dionysus69 | ok let me try that I guess |
| 12:56.06 | dionysus69 | ok that worked |
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| 12:56.22 | cyveris | And don't hard-code cleartext passwords. |
| 12:56.23 | dionysus69 | when chpasswd wasnt part of path for root I assumed it was more than just missing from path |
| 12:56.35 | cyveris | echo 'testuser:$6$32569e355d290aca$3YHTUKCgAwRJfJpXX4jZWSpwQW9dbeosJMhRU64zpPQTnbQKRIQfRpW.ezQTIIKRSqwzbagUO4Vb7i8WHFYsE.' | /usr/sbin/chpasswd -e |
| 12:56.45 | cyveris | Pre-convert it into encrypted form, and use chpasswd to handle it. |
| 12:56.50 | dionysus69 | cyveris: just for starter password :P will change it anyway after VPS setup |
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| 12:56.57 | cyveris | Just don't do it. :) |
| 12:57.07 | dionysus69 | I tried it actually |
| 12:57.18 | dionysus69 | using two different hashes and it wasnt working |
| 12:57.25 | dionysus69 | how do I generate hash for 123456? |
| 12:57.51 | cyveris | mkpasswd, part of the whois package. |
| 12:57.59 | dionysus69 | yea i tried that |
| 12:58.02 | dionysus69 | ok I will try again |
| 12:58.26 | cyveris | mkpasswd -m sha-512, enter your password. |
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| 12:58.45 | cyveris | Copy that string. echo 'username:hash' | /usr/sbin/chpasswd -e |
| 13:01.01 | dionysus69 | ok trying that now |
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| 13:01.58 | cyveris | https://paste.debian.net/1145106/ |
| 13:03.05 | cyveris | https://paste.debian.net/1145107/ |
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| 13:06.37 | dionysus69 | cyveris: thanks, that worked :) |
| 13:08.40 | cyveris | Now you don't have to store your password in the clear anywhere. :) |
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| 13:10.57 | dionysus69 | sounds good ^.^ |
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| 13:25.07 | shtrb | can someone help me understanding what is the problem with http://paste.debian.net/1145111/ ? (apparmor warning when clicking on a link ) |
| 13:26.19 | ratrace | shtrb: the pidging AppArmor policy is missing mmap allow on those files in name="" attribute |
| 13:26.38 | ratrace | now whether it should have that, or not, I don't know. do you see any broken behavior in pidgin? |
| 13:27.03 | shtrb | not yet , the browser had opened the link as expected (for now) |
| 13:27.39 | ratrace | shtrb: btw it looks like those are all due to nvidia acceleration in the browser. |
| 13:27.39 | shtrb | those seem like some kind of temporary files |
| 13:27.52 | shtrb | Wow , but how ? |
| 13:28.03 | ratrace | what do you mean how? |
| 13:28.26 | shtrb | how did you know I have nvidia , I don't see anything in the traces mentioning that |
| 13:28.41 | ratrace | shtrb: because I've written many AppArmor profiles and I recognize the paths |
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| 13:29.05 | shtrb | oh ! |
| 13:29.51 | shtrb | so I need to search for a solution with pidgin or nvidia packages ? |
| 13:30.15 | ratrace | ideally, pidgin would invoke the browser with a Px profile transition, but.... default AppArmor policies are usually incomplete or outright broken. |
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| 13:32.58 | ratrace | shtrb: problem is broken nvidia abstraction in the default apparmor package. it's missing some paths, like the ones you mentioned. so if you want, you can fix pidgin's profile and allow those specific paths, but I don't know how the pidgin's profile is actually dealing with the browser invocation, I don't have the profile at hand now |
| 13:33.45 | shtrb | These had not been random paths ? I thought it was just random temporary values . |
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| 13:35.05 | ratrace | shtrb: they're semi-random, the patterns are really: /tmp/.gl* , @{HOME}/.nv/.gl* and my personal "favorite" /tmp/#[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]* |
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| 13:35.26 | ratrace | I haven't explored how or why browsers are using those files for/with nvidia acceleration |
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| 13:45.44 | shtrb | Thank you ratrace |
| 13:48.00 | ratrace | nae bother |
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| 13:50.24 | brutser | when i install debian with openbox on a laptop, user directories are created, such as desktop, documents, downloads etc. that is part of xdg that creates them right? - when i do the exact same install on a virtual machine, the user directories are NOT created. what can be the difference and what would trigger the installation of them? i know i can |
| 13:50.24 | brutser | manually installed xdg-user-dirs and use that to create the directories but i like to know why and what creates them on the laptop install, but not on the vm :s |
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| 15:09.33 | brutser | i dont understand this, if i install same installation on laptop (debian+openbox), user directories are created, such as documents, downloads etc. - but, neither xdg-utils or xdg-user-dirs is installed. -- if i do the same install on kvm guest, NO user dirs are created and the only way to force this is to install xdg-user-dirs package, at least, |
| 15:09.34 | brutser | that's my only way to force it -- so what is creating the user dirs on the laptop and not on the virtual machine? |
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| 15:11.07 | PsynoKhi0 | I've mounted /home over NFS and now a couple users realised they forgot to copy over a a bunch of files... any way I can access the old "home" without unmounting the NFS share? |
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| 15:12.58 | ladderff | guys, question: on a fresh install of buster, why do i have to chmod /run/screen on every boot? |
| 15:13.17 | ladderff | what's the 'accepted' or most sensible way to render this unnecessary ? |
| 15:14.31 | miskatonic | another reason to stay with stretch ... |
| 15:14.58 | ladderff | lol what was the first reason ? |
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| 15:17.23 | miskatonic | ladderf: the removal of pre-quantum firefox |
| 15:19.58 | themill | yeah, I always choose my distro to ensure that I have an unsupported browser, makes complete sense |
| 15:20.48 | themill | ladderff: what are you changing /run/screen from and to? |
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| 15:21.17 | PsynoKhi0 | there's palemoon and icecat, right? |
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| 15:24.11 | ladderff | miskatonic: Directory '/run/screen' must have mode 755. |
| 15:24.22 | ladderff | so I change it to 755 |
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| 15:27.03 | themill | ladderff: what are the full permissions on /usr/bin/screen? |
| 15:27.59 | somiaj | ladderff: also what init service are you using to run screen at boot? |
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| 15:29.12 | ladderff | and I'm not afaik running screen at boot |
| 15:29.19 | miskatonic | does screen now require an init service? |
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| 15:29.54 | ladderff | perms for /usr/bin/screen are 4755 |
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| 15:31.31 | somiaj | ladderff: does /run/screen exist at boot, or only after you run screen? |
| 15:31.45 | ladderff | hmm, would have to reboot to check |
| 15:32.10 | themill | ladderff: that's an unusual mode for /usr/bin/screen |
| 15:32.21 | somiaj | since you said you chagne it after each boot, I was wondering if some service is running inside a screen, causing /run/screen to be created at boot with different permissions. Though themill might have spotted the issue. |
| 15:32.35 | ladderff | yeah, I agree about it being unusual... |
| 15:33.04 | themill | if you change /usr/bin/screen, then you have to change the code that is creating /run/screen (/etc/init.d/screen-cleanup or /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/screen-cleanup.conf) |
| 15:33.20 | themill | see /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian.gz |
| 15:33.30 | ladderff | I couldn't say how /usr/bin/screen ended up being 4755 |
| 15:33.41 | ladderff | themill, reading, thanks |
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| 15:34.41 | ladderff | lol I see that this is the first Q in the Q&A |
| 15:35.13 | themill | I have a vague recollection of a debconf question years ago about changing the modes on screen to enable $something |
| 15:36.18 | themill | the postinst doesn't seem to have that code any more (even if it still loads /usr/share/debconf/confmodule) |
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| 15:38.16 | ladderff | ah - I must have chmod /usr/bin/screen for multiuser |
| 15:38.21 | ladderff | and not changed it back? |
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| 15:51.47 | brutser | i dont understand this, if i install same installation on laptop (debian+openbox), user directories are created, such as documents, downloads etc. - but, neither xdg-utils or xdg-user-dirs is installed. -- if i do the same install on kvm guest, NO user dirs are created and the only way to force this is to install xdg-user-dirs package, at least, |
| 15:51.48 | brutser | that's my only way to force it -- so what is creating the user dirs on the laptop and not on the virtual machine? |
| 15:52.36 | brutser | i check /etc/xdg and on the laptop i find user-dirs.conf and user-dirs.defaults - those are not present inside the vm box |
| 15:52.47 | brutser | but it is exactly the same installation |
| 15:53.08 | brutser | so any ideas what can be causing this to behave different? |
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| 16:11.02 | glguy | (In Debian 10.3) How do I configure wlan0 not to be configured. I'm reading that I should change something in /etc/network/interfaces, but that only points to /etc/network/interfaces.d, and that directory is empty. Where is the configuration that would cause wlan0 to come up? |
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| 16:14.46 | silverballz | glguy, https://manpages.debian.org/buster/ifupdown/interfaces.5.en.html |
| 16:15.24 | glguy | right, but I don't have auto wlan0 in any of those files, so how is it coming up? |
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| 16:16.48 | diogenes_ | glguy, because they're are managed by NetworkManager. |
| 16:17.25 | glguy | diogenes_: I don't think I have network manager installed, how can I confirm that? |
| 16:17.33 | somiaj | glguy: depends on how you manage your network cards, /etc/network/interfaces is only one way to manage them, if you have nothing about your wlan0 in the interfaces file (or interfaces.d directory) then something else is managing your network as diogenes_ poitns out (wicd is used by some DE's too) |
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| 16:17.38 | silverballz | i'm having trouble understanding if wlan0 is up or not up and if you are trying to disable it or enable it |
| 16:17.44 | somiaj | diogenes_: what desktop enviorment did you use? |
| 16:17.51 | glguy | I don't want wireless enabled |
| 16:17.55 | glguy | it turns on, I don't want it on |
| 16:18.20 | somiaj | glguy: define turns on? Is it connecting to the network, or does the interface just show up in ip a with no address assoicated with it? |
| 16:19.11 | diogenes_ | somiaj, you confused me with glguy :) |
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| 16:19.59 | somiaj | diogenes_: haha, I was gonna metnion that as diogenes_ pointed out, check nm, but then got confused |
| 16:20.05 | glguy | somiaj: It was connecting to a network. I commented out the SSID and WPA password in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf but I'm still trying to understand how the interface comes up |
| 16:20.26 | glguy | or how it was coming up |
| 16:21.14 | somiaj | glguy: there are various ways to configure the network, in general you should choose one and stick with it. Did you install/use a desktop enviorment, if so which one? |
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| 16:35.22 | blackop | hi. |
| 16:35.50 | blackop | i faced some errors when i run update command in terminal: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1145165 |
| 16:36.03 | blackop | what could be the problem and how can i fix them? |
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| 16:38.24 | xok | hello all.. |
| 16:38.36 | xok | I am interested to install latest debian on raspberry pi 4.... |
| 16:38.59 | xok | I found several image files for different devices but not for PI4... |
| 16:39.15 | xok | I've installed the system in an isolated environment using bootstrap... |
| 16:39.24 | xok | but I am stuck on the boot loader part... |
| 16:39.32 | xok | how do I install bootloader now?... |
| 16:40.47 | diogenes_ | blackop, what is the full-upgrade about? |
| 16:40.55 | sney | xok: according to this page, the pi 4 isn't supported yet. https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi but you might be able to reverse engineer something from how raspbian does it |
| 16:41.09 | blackop | diogenes_: just checking if there are packs to be updated |
| 16:41.20 | blackop | and distro upgrades maybe |
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| 16:42.28 | sney | xok: actually, some support is available here as well https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi4 |
| 16:42.31 | diogenes_ | blackop, you're not supposed to run full-upgrade. |
| 16:43.05 | Kobaz | what's a quick way to tell if there's any installed packages not from my current release |
| 16:43.19 | Kobaz | ie: older distro, or say backports |
| 16:43.28 | Kobaz | without having to apt-policy query each individual package |
| 16:44.02 | sney | blackop: full-upgrade has nothing to do with your problem, which is that the config file mentioned by libkmod has bad syntax. you can probably safely delete that file. |
| 16:44.41 | sney | diogenes_: running apt full-upgrade will do exactly the same thing as running apt upgrade in 99% of cases on stable. it's not necessary but it's unlikely to cause any problems |
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| 16:45.39 | diogenes_ | sney, and what is the 1% that might cause troubles? |
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| 16:46.08 | sney | edge cases undefined by a standard debian stable system |
| 16:47.27 | diogenes_ | so maybe blackop hit that 1%. |
| 16:47.58 | sney | obviously not, did you even read the paste? |
| 16:49.06 | sney | there's some wonky modprobe.d config in there. it's probably gunk from a previous release, or something he got from stackexchange that's not compatible with current kernels, etc. the error messages are triggered by the kernel dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:49.48 | blackop | diogenes_: sorry |
| 16:50.03 | blackop | what should i do then? |
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| 16:50.12 | blackop | but it didnt face this problem before |
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| 16:50.18 | blackop | since yesterday i am having this |
| 16:50.27 | sney | blackop: delete /lib/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.conf, which is the file that libkmod says has a problem |
| 16:50.36 | blackop | how can i delete? |
| 16:50.39 | blackop | rm * |
| 16:50.40 | blackop | ? |
| 16:50.47 | sney | if you read the individual error lines and try to understand them, they usually give you clues |
| 16:50.54 | sney | yes, rm is the delete command |
| 16:50.56 | sney | !refcard |
| 16:50.56 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
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| 16:51.44 | blackop | so instead of running full-upgrade what should i do? |
| 16:51.48 | blackop | just sudo apt update ? |
| 16:52.05 | sney | the standard is to run apt upgrade after running apt update, but only if apt update tells you there are available upgrades |
| 16:52.20 | blackop | sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ? |
| 16:52.22 | sney | if it says 'all packages are up to date' then you are done |
| 16:52.27 | blackop | full-upgrade is a habit since ubuntu |
| 16:52.42 | sney | run them separately and let the computer tell you what it needs |
| 16:53.13 | blackop | All packages are up to date. |
| 16:53.23 | blackop | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 16:53.27 | blackop | no more error |
| 16:53.29 | blackop | thanks a lot |
| 16:53.33 | sney | np |
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| 16:59.30 | randompleb | What happened to radare2? It was removed because upstream didn't want to maintain older versions shipped with debian and they were openly hostile towards Debian. |
| 17:02.25 | f8e4 | who has hardened their sshd before, what suggestions? |
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| 17:07.58 | cyveris | f8e4: Read 'man sshd_config'. |
| 17:08.31 | f8e4 | i did. now: is allowusers applied before authorized_keys, anyone? |
| 17:08.49 | f8e4 | passwordAuthentication is no |
| 17:10.52 | Kobaz | what's a quick way to tell if there's any installed packages not from my current release, ie older distro, or new/backports ? without having to apt-cache policy on each individual package? |
| 17:11.36 | sney | Kobaz: aptitude can probably do it somehow |
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| 17:16.01 | zapotah | saltstack update when? |
| 17:16.01 | Kobaz | heh, somehow |
| 17:16.03 | Kobaz | k |
| 17:16.06 | sney | Kobaz: yep, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html see "archive" |
| 17:16.10 | Kobaz | iii |
| 17:16.12 | Kobaz | oooo thanks |
| 17:16.33 | zapotah | things are literally burning down all around |
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| 17:17.20 | zapotah | and the vulnerability is no laughing matter |
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| 17:17.41 | sney | ,v saltstack |
| 17:17.42 | judd | No package named 'saltstack' was found in amd64. |
| 17:18.01 | zapotah | sney: its the name of the project |
| 17:18.24 | zapotah | both minion and master need updates pronto |
| 17:19.24 | sney | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/salt says it's marked for autoremoval 4 days from now |
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| 17:21.24 | zapotah | sney: that wont help with the problem at hand |
| 17:21.40 | zapotah | sney: thats sweeping the issue under the carpet |
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| 17:22.02 | sney | and your security issues have already been reported and is being worked on, I guess since you came here first that means you didn't check: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=959684 |
| 17:22.03 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/959684 in src:salt (open, security, fixed-upstream, upstream): «salt: CVE-2020-11651 and CVE-2020-11652»; severity: grave; opened: 2020-05-03; last modified: 2020-05-04. |
| 17:23.01 | zapotah | sney: its just that considering that theres a new variant of it that is moving to not just doing cryptomining but actively infiltrating infrastructure, four days is too slow |
| 17:23.18 | zapotah | and autoremoval wont help |
| 17:23.19 | joepublic | zapotah, your full refund is on the way. |
| 17:23.28 | zapotah | joepublic: its not about that |
| 17:23.59 | zapotah | but some things do warrant some serious urgency |
| 17:24.12 | zapotah | and it _is_ in that case distro maintainers security teams responsibility |
| 17:24.21 | joepublic | I see evidence of developers working on it, and you complaining about it; guess which one of those has value? |
| 17:24.46 | zapotah | joepublic: the upstream has already published fixed packages for buster even |
| 17:24.54 | zapotah | and all the way to debian 7 |
| 17:24.54 | sney | I think you may be under the impression that #debian is full of developers who can fix these things on demand. a) this channel is mostly other users who help out in their spare time and 2) the bug is being worked on! what more do you want!? |
| 17:25.00 | zapotah | sney: im not :P |
| 17:25.02 | joepublic | fixed packages for buster != fixed buster packages. |
| 17:25.27 | sney | the most recent email in that bug thread is from today. oh no, too slow |
| 17:25.45 | zapotah | sney: have you followed this thing today and yesterday? |
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| 17:25.58 | zapotah | sney: its having some serious fallout |
| 17:26.43 | zapotah | sney: and things that are so easily exploitable unfortunately dont have the luxury of a week to react to |
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| 17:27.01 | sney | no, I only learned about it from you about 5 minutes ago, but it seems to me that the debian maintainers are already on it, so again: what do you want |
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| 17:27.16 | zapotah | sney: if nothing else, raise awareness |
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| 17:27.20 | sney | what can #debian do for you in regards to this issue that is not already being done |
| 17:27.40 | zapotah | sney: tell people to pay serious attention to their saltstack infra |
| 17:27.47 | zapotah | hell, put in the topic if you so will |
| 17:27.47 | joepublic | complaining about debian not meeting your expectations is not the same as raising awareness. |
| 17:27.49 | zapotah | its that bad |
| 17:28.03 | zapotah | joepublic: hell no, thats not at all what im about here |
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| 17:28.20 | joepublic | then your rhetorical skills have been failing you. |
| 17:28.27 | zapotah | propably |
| 17:28.36 | sney | I guess I can see the panic now. this affects you personally, I take it? |
| 17:28.46 | zapotah | it actually does not |
| 17:29.22 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 17:29.43 | sney | I was only familiar with ansible/chef/puppet but I guess this is another one of those, and the security implications are obvious with a RCE. |
| 17:29.49 | zapotah | but since its easily exploitable in so many ways, i can see any webhoster, shared platform or any public facing service that has any remote code execution thing in it being able to attack that frontends salt-master, its a pretty serious issue |
| 17:29.52 | sney | popcon numbers are not super high https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=salt |
| 17:29.52 | Kobaz | having problems with an aptitude regex... aptitude search '~A ^(?!testing).* ~i' getting : Unknown term type: "".. this is a valid regex though |
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| 17:30.51 | greycat | dpkg, rce is Remote Code Execution, a type of security bug |
| 17:30.52 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:30.59 | joepublic | The salt meltdown, for those curious: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=saltstack&iar=news&ia=news |
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| 17:34.08 | sney | I take it this is the kind of vuln where it's not a problem if you do your orchestration through a dedicated management vlan or vpn, but a lot of devops types have never even heard of that concept |
| 17:34.31 | greycat | the zdnet article gives me two CVEs, which can be checked up on, at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-11651 and https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-11652 (both are currently unfixed in stable) |
| 17:34.52 | sney | greycat yeah https://bugs.debian.org/959684 |
| 17:36.44 | zapotah | sney: its the type of vuln where if theres even a single point of code execution from the minion towards the master, youve full access |
| 17:36.59 | zapotah | sney: ie. if you manage public facing webhosts with it |
| 17:37.18 | zapotah | and that page has any vuln that allows for any kind of code execution |
| 17:37.48 | zapotah | since the minions, by design, have to have access to the master |
| 17:37.51 | tds | https://saltexploit.com/ has some details on the current attack going round, seems very nasty :/ |
| 17:37.54 | greycat | There's nothing anyone in this channel can do about it. The issues are known, and presumably the security team is working on official updated packages. |
| 17:38.09 | zapotah | tds: thank you, was trying to refind that link |
| 17:38.33 | zapotah | sney: see tds link |
| 17:39.02 | Kobaz | having a weird issue with aptitude search... trying to select packages that are installed from distro buster: aptitude search "~A buster ~i" and this is including packages from 'testing' |
| 17:39.59 | Kobaz | for example, in the returned list is showing remmina, but apt-cache policy is showing the current remmina package is from testing... why the inconsistency ? |
| 17:40.14 | sney | Kobaz I think you can have multiples and negatives, so something like ~Abuster ~A!testing etc maybe? |
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| 17:40.53 | Kobaz | sney: that command... still shows remmina |
| 17:41.32 | Kobaz | i have two example packages. rdate is buster, remmina is testing |
| 17:41.35 | sney | Kobaz: I guess you will need to tinker with it more. |
| 17:42.04 | Kobaz | i'm expecting '~A buster ~i' to show rdate but not remmina |
| 17:43.49 | Kobaz | aptitude search "?not(~A testing) ~i" |
| 17:43.51 | Kobaz | think i'm getting there |
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| 18:17.26 | zapotah | shits hitting the fan hard right now as more variants of the worm are emerging |
| 18:17.36 | Kobaz | the worm? |
| 18:17.44 | zapotah | Kobaz: the salt exploit |
| 18:18.02 | zapotah | https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/57057 |
| 18:18.57 | zapotah | people running ancient versions of debian and other distros will never be patched |
| 18:19.22 | greycat | People running unsupported versions of *anything* will never be patched, and they have chosen that. |
| 18:19.26 | zapotah | im all for letting them burn but its still a problem for the rest of the internet |
| 18:19.46 | Kobaz | ah |
| 18:19.59 | greycat | What do you want *us* to do about it? |
| 18:20.01 | zapotah | so those running supported stuff, this is seriously something paramount right now |
| 18:20.11 | greycat | We are just Debian users. Just the same as you. |
| 18:20.11 | zapotah | greycat: update the topic |
| 18:20.19 | zapotah | its that serious |
| 18:20.20 | greycat | To say what??! |
| 18:20.22 | annadane | okay, well, unsupported is basically debian 8, so just don't be running deb 8 |
| 18:20.30 | Kobaz | don't run old stuff? |
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| 18:20.47 | greycat | Jesus fucking christ, NO IT ISN'T, because most people don't USE SALT, and what the fuck would the topic SAY? There is no action that people can take yet. |
| 18:21.06 | zapotah | greycat: but there are actions |
| 18:21.11 | greycat | Name one!\ |
| 18:21.12 | Kobaz | actions required: unplug |
| 18:21.21 | brutser | how come with the same installation, on physical laptop xdg-user-dirs is installed and generated, but on virtual machine, it is not installed - it's exact same installation of debian 10 and openbox (scripts) - what determines the need of xdg-user-dirs?? |
| 18:21.21 | Kobaz | problem solved |
| 18:21.23 | zapotah | greycat: upstream has packages for debian of all versions |
| 18:21.44 | zapotah | greycat: the issue is with debian upstream packaging building against python 2.7 |
| 18:21.52 | zapotah | which is eol |
| 18:22.00 | joepublic | as I mentioned earlier, "packages for debian" != "debian packages" |
| 18:22.08 | greycat | "/topic #debian Some random internet person named zapotah says you should abandon debian's salt package and use upstream instead of waiting a couple days for the security team to fix it" |
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| 18:22.20 | zapotah | *sigh* |
| 18:22.25 | zapotah | whatever |
| 18:23.04 | zapotah | greycat: dont think its relevant? perhaps this will all be over and people who get burned will sort it out themselves |
| 18:23.20 | oxek | isn't this an issue where one simply cannot afford to wait a few days? |
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| 18:23.26 | zapotah | oxek: it is |
| 18:23.27 | joepublic | hopefully people burned are already sorting as hard as they can |
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| 18:23.50 | zapotah | oxek: however the consensus here seems to be that im insane |
| 18:23.56 | zapotah | go figure |
| 18:24.47 | joepublic | #debian has an official channel over on oftc if you want to try your luck there |
| 18:25.19 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Is it possible to install packages from sid on buster without wrecking the system? |
| 18:25.35 | cyveris | !ssb |
| 18:25.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:25.35 | xnaas | I fucked up and should've made my /var partition much larger. |
| 18:25.35 | oxek | joepublic: oh wait, *this* is not an official channel? |
| 18:25.36 | annadane | that's more of a support channel, if you really want a response *maybe* try #debian-devel on the same network |
| 18:25.37 | greycat | Only VERY SPECIFIC packages that have no dependencies. |
| 18:25.54 | greycat | Like if it's a shell script or something. If it's compiled, your answer is HELL NO. |
| 18:26.06 | joepublic | debian's official irc network is oftc |
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| 18:26.33 | annadane | basically the answer if you don't know what you're doing is "no, don't install from sid" |
| 18:26.38 | annadane | !tell Thedarkb-Desktop about frankendebian |
| 18:26.46 | annadane | it depends on what you w- bye |
| 18:27.05 | zapotah | joepublic: i know, it is, however, do not downplay the importance of this |
| 18:27.20 | greycat | ,popcon salt |
| 18:27.21 | judd | No package named 'salt' was found. |
| 18:27.34 | joepublic | if you run this software, you are screwed 69 ways from sunday, it's important. |
| 18:27.42 | annadane | they're salt- packages |
| 18:27.42 | zapotah | *sigh* |
| 18:27.45 | zapotah | whatever |
| 18:27.55 | greycat | Fuck's sake, what is the BINARY pkg name... |
| 18:28.03 | annadane | you didn't mention py 2 before, i would open a bug report or take it up with #debian-devel on oftc |
| 18:28.05 | zapotah | its the users that are screwed, thats my only concern |
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| 18:28.52 | zapotah | you do you, please consider raising awareness since its a seriously bad thing that allows root access trivially |
| 18:28.54 | greycat | ,popcon salt-common |
| 18:28.55 | judd | Popcon data for salt-common: inst: 3909, vote: 2600, old: 746, recent: 561, nofiles: 2 |
| 18:29.06 | greycat | ,popcon libc6 |
| 18:29.07 | judd | Popcon data for libc6: inst: 201710, vote: 188184, old: 61, recent: 13453, nofiles: 12 |
| 18:29.19 | zapotah | popcon hasnt been default enabled in ages |
| 18:29.28 | greycat | So... something like 1.9% of popcon respondees have it installed. |
| 18:29.34 | annadane | salt-cloud seems to be the package...? |
| 18:29.45 | greycat | ,popcon salt-cloud |
| 18:29.46 | judd | Popcon data for salt-cloud: inst: 27, vote: 1, old: 20, recent: 6, nofiles: 0 |
| 18:29.55 | greycat | If it's that one, it's *nobody*. |
| 18:30.04 | zapotah | i dont think i have it enabled in any of my systems |
| 18:30.12 | greycat | NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE!! |
| 18:30.54 | zapotah | so why use it as any kind of measure? |
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| 18:30.59 | greycat | .... |
| 18:31.09 | greycat | 14:31 Ignoring ALL from zapotah |
| 18:31.17 | zapotah | why do i bother... |
| 18:31.20 | cyveris | greycat: Ignore him, honestly. He also sits in #pfsense and bitches endlessly about software he doesn't pay for. |
| 18:31.28 | zapotah | cyveris: i dont |
| 18:31.33 | zapotah | but whatever |
| 18:31.35 | cyveris | Yes you do, I watch you constantly. |
| 18:31.41 | greycat | figures out that when zap said "I don't have it enabled", he meant "popcon", whereas I meant "salt" |
| 18:32.03 | greycat | Ain't nobody usin' salt. You're just all worked up for nothin'. |
| 18:32.06 | zapotah | cyveris: then you misunderstand me gravely |
| 18:32.08 | joepublic | popcon is a survey to be extrapolated. |
| 18:32.21 | joepublic | yeah, it seems your rhetorical skills have been failing you more places than just here. |
| 18:32.33 | greycat | Why do you think I divided the number of salt-common installs by the number of libc6 installs? |
| 18:33.03 | annadane | yeah i'm not sure why people are using popcon as a metric; in any case some people clearly do use salt so the more info that can be provided to the debian project the better, if a bug report doesn't exist, file one or bring it up as i mentioned in #debian-devel on oftc |
| 18:33.42 | greycat | There is a bug report. I could /lastlog to find it. There are CVE entries. Including in the security-tracker. I posted their URLs earlier. |
| 18:33.59 | joepublic | the bug is active as of today, aiui |
| 18:34.21 | annadane | there you go, then |
| 18:34.23 | joepublic | serious stuff, worm-trojan-rce-cryptojacking all in one |
| 18:34.33 | annadane | it will be fixed when it's fixed |
| 18:34.45 | greycat | If anyone here actually *uses* salt and has a suggestion for how to mitigate it ("run xxx stop and don't restart it until the patch is out"), I'd be glad to hear it. |
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| 18:35.00 | annadane | oh i did find a potential mitigation i can link, i don't know whether it is one |
| 18:35.16 | joepublic | mitigation is addressed at the https://saltexploit.com/ link |
| 18:35.32 | zapotah | since the general discussion has shifted towards focusing on my views on how things should be handled from a sane software engineering perspective from actually discussing this seriously, i guess its time to give up on finding some non-biased ground to discuss this on |
| 18:35.33 | Kobaz | some saltsploiting |
| 18:35.50 | joepublic | #debian has an official channel over on oftc if you want to try your luck there |
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| 18:36.56 | greycat | Is it the part that says "turn off your Salt Master"? |
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| 18:37.23 | joepublic | there's a "How do i fix it" further down |
| 18:38.07 | joepublic | "SHUT DOWN ALL AFFECTED SYSTEMS ASAP!" seems to be the mitigation |
| 18:38.35 | annadane | (can 2020 get any worse?) |
| 18:38.47 | joepublic | :: 2020 says :: hold my beer :: |
| 18:38.51 | greycat | (it can always get worse) |
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| 18:39.04 | zapotah | for the record, i did not bring anyones personal views on anything to this, i simply want to not understate the gravity of the exploit and apparently some people want to downplay it just due to animosity towards my approach to the issue |
| 18:40.08 | greycat | So I guess the saltexploit web site is only written for actual salt users who will know how to "turn off your Salt Master" and "create a new salt-master" and so on. Of course, that second part is contingent on "Install all updates for your distro", and those don't exist for Debian yet. |
| 18:40.09 | oxek | just so I learn something, is the package 'libc' something that exits on every debian install? |
| 18:40.28 | greycat | libc6 |
| 18:40.42 | oxek | yeah that one |
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| 18:41.08 | zapotah | anyway, for you who did read, take the problem seriously, tell whoever administers systems to take it seriously and tackle this immediately and not wait for the distro to do something "several days later" |
| 18:41.09 | annadane | i hope i didn't come across as hostile though i suspect it's not addressed to me |
| 18:41.14 | greycat | other mandatory packages are base-files, dpkg, etc. |
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| 18:41.50 | zapotah | annadane: on the contrary, you seem like one of the sane ones |
| 18:43.00 | brutser | guys, i got this issue that i cannot solve, i install a basic debian and openbox from install scripts, when installed on a laptop, xdg-user-dirs are installed and generated, when installed on a vm, no such package nor directories. i install pcmanfm, i only install python-xdg but no other xdg tools, when i do apt-cache rdepends xdg-user-dirs, i only |
| 18:43.00 | brutser | find libglib2.0-0 that is installed on the system, but on both the laptop and the vm - so why this difference?? |
| 18:43.25 | annadane | oh god there's 5 versions of the malware |
| 18:43.34 | zapotah | cyveris: one last thing, complaining about free software when theres security issues or serious shortcomings to it, its warranted, if everyone is a yes man, nothing goes forward |
| 18:43.38 | annadane | it's spectre meltdown all over again |
| 18:43.48 | oxek | brutser: probably the vm pulls different dependencies than the laptop? |
| 18:43.55 | oxek | check out what the installed tasks were |
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| 18:44.44 | oxek | annadane: have spectre/meltdown had any reported in the wild exploits being used? |
| 18:44.53 | annadane | idk |
| 18:44.56 | oxek | not downplaing them, just asking for update |
| 18:45.16 | oxek | whereas this thing looks like it is being actively exploited |
| 18:45.18 | zapotah | oxek: most required root access |
| 18:45.22 | annadane | spectre was always considered the harder one to exploit, and meltdown got (mostly?) patched, i stopped paying attention to that months ago |
| 18:45.30 | brutser | oxek: ok, looking dpkg.log i don't find, what is the place to look? |
| 18:46.38 | oxek | brutser: there was an install log somewhere, let me find it |
| 18:47.38 | oxek | I think it is the files in /var/log/installer |
| 18:48.03 | oxek | you might find some answer there, or try diffing the files for differences between laptop and vm |
| 18:48.09 | annadane | i do think we shouldn't yell at people who are only trying to help, but whatever |
| 18:48.53 | oxek | I doubt we're yelling at anyone unless they have some fancy text-to-speech on their end :) |
| 18:49.22 | zapotah | the unfortunate thing is that theres so much bad engineering around that challenging it is seemed hostile |
| 18:49.28 | annadane | well, there were all caps involved |
| 18:49.59 | annadane | i agree with 99% of the admonishments in this channel but i feel a major exploit is something that should at least be listened to |
| 18:50.23 | greycat | I'm listening. Err, I was, until they just started repeating useless shit over and over. |
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| 18:50.50 | zapotah | i beg to question which part was useless shit |
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| 18:51.05 | zapotah | but i guess im on ignore now so... |
| 18:51.09 | oxek | zapotah: please don't pursue that line of argumentation further |
| 18:51.14 | annadane | especially when said package affected by the exploit appears to be packaged in debian |
| 18:51.19 | greycat | The only actual *advice* I've seen so far is «read https://saltexploit.com/», and I hope that this page makes sense to Salt users, because I am not one, and I would not know what commands to run just reading this page. |
| 18:51.21 | annadane | (as most things are, it being debian) |
| 18:51.42 | annadane | which program* affected by |
| 18:52.05 | joepublic | well, shut it down and nuke it from orbit need not involve any commands at all, necessarily |
| 18:52.17 | [E]sc | my laptop makes systematic scratching noises, as if it has something stuck in the fan when i'm using conky on my DE. is there a way to fix that? i'm on nvidia geforce mx150 440.82 kernel 5.5.0 using gnome 3.36.1 |
| 18:52.18 | zapotah | oxek: fine, the arguments against me simply seemed nonsensical and based on something else than facts |
| 18:52.33 | zapotah | but i guess not everyone can think rationally |
| 18:52.49 | zapotah | we cant have nice things because of it |
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| 18:52.57 | annadane | zapotah, just to be clear, you wanted the channel topic changed? |
| 18:52.58 | shibboleth | https://saltexploit.com/ <--- requires js |
| 18:53.09 | oxek | zapotah: you really don't need to have the last jab... |
| 18:53.14 | shibboleth | because the few who will actually read it are ambivalent to js :) |
| 18:53.26 | shibboleth | with re to js even |
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| 18:54.39 | zapotah | annadane: it wouldnt hurt since its a very major issue occurring right now |
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| 18:55.02 | zapotah | even if someone thinks it not significant enough to not worth of mention |
| 18:55.04 | annadane | the topic is fairly long, i'm not sure it would fit, but yeah, i'm not in charge of that unfortunately |
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| 18:55.26 | oxek | Does anyone actually read the topic? |
| 18:55.29 | greycat | No. |
| 18:55.44 | greycat | Changing the topic is a massive pain in the ass, and will not help anyone. |
| 18:55.51 | zapotah | i guess people have degenerated that far from irc... |
| 18:55.56 | zapotah | oh well |
| 18:55.59 | brutser | oxek: yes i find installation of xdg-user-dirs in /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 18:56.26 | brutser | it's hard though to read that file to determine what package caused the installation to occur |
| 18:56.33 | greycat | If you can actually *construct* advice that would be helpful to people, you can put it in a bot factoid with a useful name, and it can be triggered when people come here asking about the Salt bugs. |
| 18:56.59 | oxek | brutser: you could try `aptitude why xdg-user-dirs` |
| 18:57.02 | greycat | But without even a bot factoid to point to, there's nothing we could even *fit* into the topic. |
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| 18:57.40 | quotemstr | What part of the package install process produces pyc files? |
| 18:57.41 | zapotah | oxek: and no, its not really a jab, its a trend ive observed with people over the past decade. |
| 18:57.59 | greycat | postinst, most likely |
| 18:58.15 | greycat | or simply the execution of the program, if the execting process has sufficient privs |
| 18:58.35 | zapotah | but i will leave as i see the consensus is pointing the opposite direction, hopefully someone will find the solutions elsewhere |
| 18:58.44 | shibboleth | does debian (org) use salt? |
| 18:59.19 | zapotah | at the very least i will have left the burning hatred of me peronally carve some synaptic memory of this issue to the apparent regulars |
| 18:59.24 | quotemstr | greycat: Is there a way to rerun postinst on arbitrary packages? |
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| 18:59.33 | zapotah | peace out |
| 18:59.34 | quotemstr | I want to get rid of all my elc files and regenerate them from dpkg-verified sources |
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| 18:59.41 | shibboleth | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:00.05 | quotemstr | That just reconfigures; it doesn't rerun postinst generally, does it? |
| 19:00.13 | greycat | the postinst scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ but you're on your own as far as running them, or running pieces of them |
| 19:00.29 | brutser | oxek: firefox-esr depends on libglib2.0-0 < libglib2.0-0 recommends xdg-user-dirs |
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| 19:07.02 | brutser | oxek: the weird thing is that firefox-esr and libglib2.0-0 are also installed on the vm |
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| 19:08.29 | sawgood | Hi: Debian people: I put a file in /etc/init.d/ called mystartup.sh (and) I hav it set with 0755 ...... but when I restart the box: mystartup.sh (does not run) |
| 19:08.45 | sawgood | I know it works because I can run the file manually after reboot: and it works |
| 19:09.20 | greycat | sawgood: you should seriously consider learning systemd. But if you *must* write new init.d scripts, the piece you're missing is the symlink from /etc/rc2.d/ that begins with "S" |
| 19:10.02 | greycat | in all honesty, you would be better off just running the script directly from /etc/rc.local instead of trying to write and manage an init.d script |
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| 19:12.54 | sawgood | greycat: perfect that is what I'll do |
| 19:13.03 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 19:13.03 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
| 19:13.10 | sawgood | I just want a few route commands to run after each reboot |
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| 19:13.36 | greycat | Networking commands should be run from /etc/network/interfaces in "up" lines, or something similar. |
| 19:14.04 | sawgood | greycat: hmm I never knew that: I could put route commands in /etc/network/interface |
| 19:14.17 | greycat | you can put any command there, in theory |
| 19:14.57 | greycat | "up command" or "post-up comamnd" runs command after the interface has been brought up |
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| 19:15.48 | sawgood | greycat: so I just put my three route commands in /etc/network/interface (below) where I have the static IP set? |
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| 19:16.37 | greycat | "up" or "post-up" in front of each one, and respect the indentation |
| 19:17.51 | greycat | dpkg, literal CMD: salt (.*?) |
| 19:17.51 | dpkg | "cmd: salt (.*?)" is "($1): <action>pours salt onto $1's slug-like corpse and watches it dissolve into a quivering pile of protoplasm." |
| 19:18.00 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 19:19.34 | oxek | brutser: did you by any change disable the installation of recommended packages during debian installation? |
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| 19:21.16 | annadane | dpkg, saltexploit is <reply> Some mitigation measures for the Salt exploit can be found at https://saltexploit.com/ |
| 19:21.16 | dpkg | annadane: okay |
| 19:21.34 | greycat | dpkg, salt is <reply>Salt is a tool used for remote mass system management. A vulnerability has recently become public (March to May 2020) and is being actively exploited. See <https://saltexploit.com/> or ask the #salt-store-miner-public or #salt channels on Freenode. |
| 19:21.34 | dpkg | pours salt onto is <reply>Salt is a tool used for remote mass system management. A vulnerability has recently become public (March to May 2020) and is being actively exploited. See <https://saltexploit.com/> or ask the #salt-store-miner-public or #salt channels on Freenode.'s slug-like corpse and watches it dissolve into a quivering pile of protoplasm. |
| 19:21.43 | greycat | Damn it. |
| 19:21.43 | annadane | dpkg, forget saltexploit |
| 19:21.45 | dpkg | i forgot saltexploit, annadane |
| 19:21.45 | sney | lol |
| 19:21.58 | greycat | dpkg, forget CMD: salt (.*?) |
| 19:21.58 | dpkg | i forgot cmd: salt (.*?), greycat |
| 19:22.03 | greycat | dpkg, salt is <reply>Salt is a tool used for remote mass system management. A vulnerability has recently become public (March to May 2020) and is being actively exploited. See <https://saltexploit.com/> or ask the #salt-store-miner-public or #salt channels on Freenode. |
| 19:22.04 | dpkg | greycat: i already had it that way |
| 19:22.14 | sney | I just fixed it in a query |
| 19:22.27 | sney | you have to start with "no, " to correct an existing factoid |
| 19:23.01 | greycat | It's not correcting an existing factoid. The other factoid is a parametrized trigger. |
| 19:23.10 | greycat | It had to be completely removed. |
| 19:24.07 | sney | I'm pretty sure the no, thing works regardless but either way it's fine now |
| 19:24.27 | annadane | but the other salt factoid was *so* much more valuable |
| 19:24.34 | annadane | with the corpse thing |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | I don't want to call it "slug" either, because isn't that the name of some Linux User Groups? |
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| 19:25.34 | greycat | !slug |
| 19:25.34 | dpkg | from memory, slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at the University of Technology. http://www.slug.org.au/ #slug on irc.freenode.net. See also <nslu2>. |
| 19:25.47 | sney | just leave it out. those bot replies were never cute |
| 19:25.55 | sney | kill the one for dpkg -i while we're at it |
| 19:26.11 | greycat | That one is probably literally too old to delete. |
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| 19:28.40 | brutser | ok, so i now know that libglib2.0-0 is recommending xdg-user-dirs and firefox-esr and viewnior (both packages i have installed), depends libglib2.0-0 - so i know why libglib2.0-0 is installed, but this is installed on both the laptop install as the vm installation, so the question remains, why xdg-user-dirs will create the user directories only on |
| 19:28.40 | brutser | the laptop installation and not on the vm installation |
| 19:28.51 | sawgood | greycat: ON the fast and cheap: couldn't I just make a new file called: /etc/rc.local (and) put my commands to run post-boot in that file? |
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| 19:29.17 | greycat | Yes. Make sure it's got a shebang and +x perms. But you won't know *when* it runs, necessarily. |
| 19:29.42 | greycat | Network stuff is generally time sensitive (has to be run *after* interfaces are up), so rc.local may be chronologically impaired. |
| 19:30.58 | brutser | actually i must refine that , because even though libglib2.0-0 recommends xdg-user-dirs, it is NOT installed on the vm installation, but it is installed on the laptop |
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| 19:31.53 | greycat | it might have been pulled in by something else |
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| 19:32.20 | brutser | greycat: ok i give up, i just install it by default, so i don't get this random stuff |
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| 19:36.49 | sawgood | greycat: testing /etc/rc.local now .. (new question) if I go with the /etc/network/interface (process) and use the (UP and DOWN) commands: can those commands use (route) vs (ip route) |
| 19:37.05 | greycat | it can be any command you want |
| 19:37.32 | sawgood | greycat: I think you've helped me before long long ago .. thanks |
| 19:38.52 | sawgood | When I rebooted: it did not run/load /etc/rc.local (but) I can run /etc/rc.local manually and they work: so I guess I'll try the up/down commands in /etc/network/interface (for best results) |
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| 19:43.01 | BadPractice | hi. I have a i7-8650U which has UHD 620 graphics. I would like to find out if i have the correct driver installed (and if not how to install it most maintainable on debian) |
| 19:44.15 | sney | hi BadPractice, intel graphics are supported out of the box most of the time. do you have working video? |
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| 19:46.01 | BadPractice | sney, i think so. My gnome 3 works nicely. I just want to make sure I use it to its full potential (for gaming and so) |
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| 19:46.46 | sney | BadPractice: ok, sounds like it's working. intel contributes drivers directly to the linux kernel so there is no extra work to do in almost all cases |
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| 19:47.43 | jhutchins | BadPractice: Usually the wrong driver won't load or work, it checks for supported hardware. |
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| 19:48.08 | BadPractice | sney, nice! thanks |
| 19:48.12 | sney | figures they were expecting a nouveau/nvidia situation |
| 19:48.30 | jhutchins | BadPractice: It's not usually a matter of poor performance caused by the "wrong" driver. |
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| 19:49.06 | BadPractice | sney, yea exactly. I just wanted to make sure i use the fast one and not the open one. Seems like on intel its fast and open B) |
| 19:49.16 | sney | yup |
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| 19:50.39 | sponix2ipfw | iGPU performance isn't going to be earth shattering |
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| 19:51.25 | sney | yeah, the hardware isn't amazing, but that driver fully supports that hardware is all |
| 19:51.50 | BadPractice | yea... i guess my perfomance issue is not a shitty driver as much as a shitty gpu. Well... at least my laptop is super light :D |
| 19:54.14 | sponix2ipfw | BadPractice: I recommend "Iron Snout" for free on Steam. It is light on resources and entertaining |
| 19:55.10 | oxek | I am looking for an TOTP gui app, alternative to winauth on windows. May I please have some recommendations? |
| 19:55.26 | oxek | my not-so-great searching abilities found nothing in debian repos so far |
| 19:56.09 | BadPractice | sponix2ipfw, haha that game! thx for the recommentation |
| 19:57.34 | jhutchins | oxek: Are we supposed to know what TOTP means? |
| 19:58.01 | oxek | jhutchins: Time-based One-time Password algorithm |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | the bot doesn't (I checked) |
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| 19:58.59 | oxek | it's the kind of code that many two-factor-authentication websites use |
| 20:00.59 | oxek | and this was the app I used on windows https://github.com/winauth/winauth |
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| 20:01.16 | _DeLa_ | Are there downsides (performance-wise) to installing your whole debian system / partition with the LUKS encryption? |
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| 20:01.46 | oxek | _DeLa_: as long as you're on a modern CPU, the performance hit should be negligible |
| 20:01.48 | sney | _DeLa_: not unless your hardware is seriously slow. my whole laptop is encrypted and it's fine doing anything |
| 20:02.11 | sney | and "modern" cpu is really like anything from the past 15 years |
| 20:02.20 | oxek | anything with AESNI |
| 20:03.12 | oxek | so ~10 years |
| 20:03.29 | _DeLa_ | sney: oxek: Thanks for getting back! Can you maybe name a %-value in increased CPU usage? |
| 20:04.04 | oxek | that sort of knowledge is above my abilities to tell |
| 20:04.07 | sney | never been noticeable enough to be worth measuring, IME. |
| 20:04.14 | jhutchins | oxek: Check out OTPW |
| 20:04.36 | sney | the cryptsetup people may have some graphs or figures |
| 20:05.40 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: It depends on a lot of factors. What the i/o load is, how many processes, how busy is the CPU. |
| 20:05.59 | oxek | jhutchins: clash of names, otpw-bin seems to be about something completely different |
| 20:06.10 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: On your desktop you probably won't notice. On a DB server with 70 front-end web servers hittiing it you would. |
| 20:06.46 | jhutchins | oxek: Try googling "linux one time password". |
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| 20:07.35 | jhutchins | oxek: When you're searching for things it's best to expand acronyms and abbreviations. |
| 20:07.59 | oxek | jhutchins: you're right, I keep hitting things that have the same abbreviations |
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| 20:09.30 | oxek | I think the closest thing I found is https://github.com/paolostivanin/OTPClient |
| 20:09.48 | oxek | but it is not in debian repos, and I can't tell if it is any decent |
| 20:10.21 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: Thanks! |
| 20:10.40 | jhutchins | oxek: I think it's more of a process than a program. You have to configure multiple other items. |
| 20:11.17 | jhutchins | oxek: As far as I know there isn't a package that does it for you. |
| 20:11.31 | jhutchins | oxek: PAM is not a plugin type of system. |
| 20:11.57 | greycat | The P literally stands for Pluggable. |
| 20:12.17 | sney | and the M stands for modules! |
| 20:12.18 | greycat | It's designed for you to write your own auth plugins (in C). |
| 20:12.27 | oxek | I am not using it to login to my system, I am using it to generate codes I input into e.g. Amazon AWS when I want to login |
| 20:12.41 | jhutchins | greycat: WEll, yes, but you don't just drop the module in a folder and it automatically takes effect, you have to reconfigure the stack. |
| 20:13.50 | jhutchins | oxek: Password generators are a dime a dozen, the trick is getting AWS to recognize it. |
| 20:14.28 | oxek | jhutchins: it's not a password generator per se |
| 20:14.55 | oxek | it does not generate any password that you'd store, it generates a code based on current time that you use only once |
| 20:15.18 | greycat | blah blah blah "some AWS thing" |
| 20:15.25 | sney | jhutchins: remember those rsa fob things people had for dialup 2fa in the late 90s? they do that, more or less |
| 20:15.31 | oxek | and it generates it based on a 'secret' that you have, which proves possession of this secret to the webservice without revealing the secret |
| 20:15.49 | oxek | it's used for logging into google as well |
| 20:15.57 | jhutchins | sney: Yeah, we had RSA fobs for a couple of functions at my last job. |
| 20:16.03 | oxek | or github, or gitlab, or reddit, etc. it's everywhere |
| 20:16.10 | greycat | I still have one of the fobs. It's dead though. |
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| 20:20.14 | volter | Hello! There is no repo for dbgsym packages for Jessie anymore, is there? |
| 20:20.25 | volter | archive.debian.org doesn't seem to have them. |
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| 20:24.44 | trek00 | volter: it seems to me jessie never had automatic dbgsym packages |
| 20:25.35 | somiaj | I wonder when they were added, I also wonder if the debug packages would have been moved to the archive? |
| 20:26.14 | greycat | !dbgsym |
| 20:26.14 | dpkg | i heard dbgsym is Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 20:26.21 | somiaj | It seems they are on snapshot.debian.org |
| 20:26.22 | greycat | Gah. |
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| 20:26.44 | somiaj | what is the version of some package in jessie that would have had an automatic debug package? |
| 20:27.03 | greycat | Here: https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch#Changes |
| 20:27.13 | trek00 | somiaj: i can't find jessie on snapshot |
| 20:27.37 | greycat | Before stretch, there weren't any -dbgsym packages, and they weren't in a separate repository. There were simply -dbg packages. |
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| 20:28.32 | somiaj | trek00: snapshot doesn't contain releases, it contains all package versions, so you have to search for the package. |
| 20:28.52 | somiaj | It appears this was added with compact >= 9, which sounds like jessie didn't have them anyways |
| 20:29.26 | greycat | ,v libc6-dbg |
| 20:29.27 | judd | Package: libc6-dbg on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-4; sid: 2.30-6; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0 |
| 20:29.28 | somiaj | I wonder if debian-debug will be copied over to archive with stretch or not. |
| 20:29.44 | trek00 | volter: as greycat said, search for packages named *-dbg on the main repository |
| 20:29.46 | volter | Great found it! |
| 20:29.48 | volter | Thank you guys! |
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| 20:33.20 | Kobaz | weird |
| 20:33.22 | f8e4 | is there postgrest for debian? https://github.com/PostgREST/postgrest/releases/tag/v7.0.0 |
| 20:33.24 | Kobaz | W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/perl-doc_5.28.1-6_all.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
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| 20:34.40 | greycat | I'm not even bother going to search for that for you. Do it yourself. |
| 20:34.58 | sney | !warning |
| 20:34.58 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 20:34.59 | greycat | also I'm not even going to bother proofreading, apparently |
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| 20:37.43 | somiaj | Kobaz: sounds like you have some permission error for the user _apt and that file, you could track it down. |
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| 20:38.19 | trek00 | Kobaz: on a fresh default install? |
| 20:38.20 | somiaj | f8e4: apt search postgrest returned no results here on buster, could ti have another name? |
| 20:39.06 | trek00 | f8e4: try apt search -n postgresql |
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| 20:40.00 | somiaj | ahh for somereason I thought postgrest might be something else. |
| 20:40.01 | f8e4 | postgresT ubuntu is not debian, will it break? |
| 20:40.21 | greycat | Almost certainly. |
| 20:40.42 | greycat | You could have *led* with "this postgrest thing is packaged in ubuntu under the name ____, is there a Debian pacakge also" |
| 20:40.44 | f8e4 | wanders off to build src |
| 20:43.00 | f8e4 | greycat yes, are builds transferable between machines running deb10 ? |
| 20:43.21 | trek00 | f8e4: yeah, if they have the same arch |
| 20:43.26 | greycat | How would I know? I've never heard of this thing. I have no idea what its build process is like. |
| 20:43.45 | greycat | Does the build process hard-code UIDs in the binaries, or anything like that? If so, then no. |
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| 20:43.54 | sney | man, I wish I had found out about that postgrest thing 4 years ago. would have saved a lot of headache |
| 20:44.08 | f8e4 | sney and still can |
| 20:44.21 | sney | well, no, because i'm not at that company anymore |
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| 20:48.15 | somiaj | f8e4: it really depends on who built the package, and if it requires vesions of libaries only present in ubuntu or not. |
| 20:49.50 | _DeLa_ | Has anyone an opinion on the seafile cloud client (https://packages.debian.org/buster/seafile-gui)? I am using it and am very happy performance-wise. But there seem to be some question marks concerning security issues and the willingness of team behind the software to improve (see https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/490) |
| 20:50.55 | somiaj | _DeLa_: are there any know security issues with the package as it stands in buster? |
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| 20:51.37 | somiaj | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/seafile-gui -- as far as I see, there are know CVE's against that package |
| 20:51.40 | sney | everyone knows not to add deb lines from random branches and derivatives so you don't create a frankendebian full of incompatible binaries. but what you *can* do if you're willing to tinker with it and solve problems as you go, is add a deb-src line and use the debian toolchain to automatically build your own packages on the debian version that you're using. this often works painlessly especially with standalone applications that don't depend on a |
| 20:51.41 | sney | lot of other components |
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| 20:52.35 | somiaj | _DeLa_: I don't see any bug reports either, so it appears that the users of debian don't have any issues with that package that they have reported to debian. |
| 20:53.33 | ndegruchy | _DeLa_: I imagine it has a lot to do with what you consider a threat vector. The link talks about a low number of encryption rounds, is upstream unwilling to increase this amount, or switch to a stronger (by default) method with more rounds? |
| 20:53.51 | _DeLa_ | somiaj: TBH I just assumed that the github issue would still be relevant as it is from summer of 2018 and the buster package is just a few months older (January 2019) |
| 20:55.12 | _DeLa_ | ndegruchy: right....well ... I decided to add a cryptomater folder into my seafile cloud for the more important stuff ... |
| 20:56.12 | ndegruchy | _DeLa_: I don't see anything on the upstream github regarding this issue, so it's either unreported or it's not considered an issue |
| 20:56.41 | _DeLa_ | ndegruchy: Thanks for checking |
| 20:57.19 | somiaj | _DeLa_: I'm just pointing out that it isn't reported in debian. If there is a security issue / flaw with the pakage it should be reported to debian, though as ndegruchy maybe it isn't consider an issue. |
| 20:57.57 | somiaj | I don't know the software enough to give any statement on it is an issue, just poitning out that no one has reported it to debian |
| 20:58.13 | somiaj | arg, 'if it is an issue' |
| 20:59.56 | _DeLa_ | Hoping not to offend anybody with the following thought: Seafile is open-source but it still is from communist china *cough* ...could this be an issue? |
| 21:00.45 | sawgood | Hi: I tried adding (up / down) statements in my /etc/network/intefaces (but) upon reboot: none of those commands see to work (here is an example) |
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| 21:01.12 | sawgood | up route del -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 0.0.0.0 dev eth0 |
| 21:01.40 | sawgood | they work if I use them manully on reboot: but not if they are in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:01.50 | greycat | did you add this on the interface that actually *has* that route? |
| 21:02.05 | ndegruchy | _DeLa_: There is an open Encryption library issue on their Github: https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/issues/350 -- nothing about that specific issue though. There is a CVE about some of their practices but it seems like they've been "fixed" with version 7 - https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2013-7469 // At this point it's entirely up to your discretion as to how much you trust it |
| 21:02.14 | greycat | oh wait, the interface is named explicitly -- did you add this on the eth0 stanza, specifically? |
| 21:02.28 | sawgood | greycat: for sure: it is the ONLY NIC in use (eth0) |
| 21:02.34 | sney | sawgood: it's also considered a best practice to use full paths, so 'up /sbin/route blabla' |
| 21:02.37 | somiaj | _DeLa_: in general if it is well audited no, but if there isnt' anyone looking for security issues, that could be a problem. |
| 21:03.02 | greycat | well, maybe it has to be run *later*, then ... maybe something else adds that route, after a few milliseconds, and your "route del" fired too quickly. who knows. |
| 21:03.22 | NieDzejkob | Hi there! I'm trying to report a bug regarding the rustc package. The `reportbug' tool says there's a new version in experimental, so I want to make sure the bug still reproduces in the new package. I added an 'deb http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental main' line to my sources.list, ran 'sudo apt update', and 'sudo apt-get -t experimental install rustc' says it's already up to date at 1.42 (I got these commands from https://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 21:03.22 | NieDzejkob | DebianExperimental) |
| 21:03.36 | _DeLa_ | ndegruchy: ok, version 7+ is in bullseye right now |
| 21:03.44 | sawgood | sney: I have (3) lines (1) add and (2) deletes |
| 21:04.02 | sawgood | it does the (1) add of a default GW , but not the (2) deletes |
| 21:04.06 | _DeLa_ | somiaj: good, because people are obviously keeping an open eye.... |
| 21:04.12 | NieDzejkob | (additional context: the rest of my sources.list is sid) |
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| 21:05.51 | sawgood | up /sbin/route delete default gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 21:05.51 | sawgood | up /sbin/route delete -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 0.0.0.0 dev eth0 |
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| 21:08.47 | trek00 | sawgood: are you using the gateway option and then removing that route? |
| 21:09.35 | sawgood | Yes: 1st line is to add the def gw |
| 21:09.45 | sawgood | the next two lines; remove the existing one and a route ... |
| 21:09.47 | trek00 | NieDzejkob: i don't see any rustc on experimental |
| 21:09.48 | sawgood | three lines in total |
| 21:10.13 | sawgood | I show in pastebin |
| 21:10.14 | trek00 | sawgood: can i ask why to add and then remove the gateway? |
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| 21:10.15 | greycat | seems to me you'd want to COMMENT OUT the gateway line instead of doing a "route del" to undo it |
| 21:10.31 | NieDzejkob | trek00: to quote reportbug, experimental (new): 1.43.0+dfsg1-1~exp1 |
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| 21:11.07 | trek00 | NieDzejkob: sorry i don't know |
| 21:12.31 | sawgood | https://pastebin.com/Mw3e1Bq2 |
| 21:14.03 | sawgood | This box sits behind an ISP modem: which uses a routed /29 public IP subnet and still runs a RFC1918 192.168.1.x (LAN) ... |
| 21:14.58 | sawgood | only Debian: still sees the 192.168.1.x LAN (other) Linux distros never even know its there ... they don't see the 192.168.1.x LAN ... only Debian does .. |
| 21:14.59 | trek00 | sawgood: what if you remove all the up lines? |
| 21:15.47 | sawgood | trek00: If I remove them and reboot: I'll have a default GW of the 192.168.1.x LAN upon reboot |
| 21:16.18 | trek00 | sawgood: well something else configures your card, may be network-manager? networkd? |
| 21:16.26 | sawgood | 1st up line gets processeed, but not the next two lines (to remove things) |
| 21:17.11 | sawgood | trek00: I think so becausae my /etc/resolv.conf (also) gets auto populated for the 2 DNS servers on the 192.168.1.x LAN (and) it does not use the static entries I've put in many times |
| 21:17.21 | trek00 | sawgood: dhcp? |
| 21:17.24 | greycat | perhaps your up lines are processed BEFORE the gateway line |
| 21:17.37 | sawgood | I will systemctl mask NetworkManager |
| 21:17.43 | greycat | having a gateway line that you don't actually want is quite silly |
| 21:17.51 | greycat | also, network-manager ignores interfaces in /e/n/i |
| 21:17.53 | sawgood | never thought of that: I thought only CentOS had NetworkManager (my bad) |
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| 21:22.03 | sawgood | the ISP modem: issues DHCP out for a 192.168.1.x LAN (in addition) to having a routed /29 subnet ... (its not in full bridge mode), but only Debian boxes seem to see the 192.168.1.x LAN .... no other OS ever even know about it when they have a /29 IP assigned ... |
| 21:22.07 | znf | So, I'm trying to do a PXE install of Debian10, which works fine, but I'm also trying to pass a preseed file. I've added the preseed/url=http://my-server/path/to/preseed to kernel linux, but... it's not hitting my webserver for the file |
| 21:23.34 | znf | oh... oh god... it's hitting the preseed /after/ it configures networking :-| |
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| 21:24.41 | joepublic | how would it find it otherwise? |
| 21:25.02 | f8e4 | is /usr/bin/bin1 a good dir for all users? |
| 21:25.04 | znf | the same way centos does it during the initial boot? :-| |
| 21:25.33 | znf | if you pass BOOTIF= (or, rather IPAPPEND 2 from syslinux) |
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| 21:27.04 | znf | I mean, the biggest reason I want to do this is literally so I can skip the whole locale selection |
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| 21:50.33 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Why is /sbin/ not in the path on default installs? |
| 21:51.19 | sney | /sbin has never been in path for a normal user |
| 21:51.25 | sney | you may be looking for this though |
| 21:51.26 | sney | !buster su |
| 21:51.26 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 21:51.29 | Maizum | hi room |
| 21:51.52 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Yeah, that's what I was after. |
| 21:55.48 | znf | 'su' overwrote the PATH? When the hell? I've been doing 'su -` for 10+ years at least |
| 21:56.55 | sney | I switched to 'sudo -i' sometime in 2006 or so and never looked back, but yeah, apparently debian's su was doing nonstandard stuff the whole time |
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| 22:05.25 | Maizum | hi room |
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| 22:09.18 | NieDzejkob | is there anything specific I need set up for reportbug to work properly? I haven't received any confirmation message |
| 22:10.16 | Unit193 | It'll need configured in ~/.reportbugrc |
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| 22:14.35 | sney | NieDzejkob: it's more likely that it's just being slow today. it takes a while to send the confirmation sometimes. |
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| 22:23.46 | NieDzejkob | Hmm... I'll guess I'll check tomor^H^H^H^H^Hlater today |
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| 22:39.10 | jhutchins | iirc bugreport prompts for settings if it's unconfigured. |
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| 22:46.44 | blackop | hi |
| 22:46.59 | blackop | i cant connect via wifi |
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| 22:48.01 | sney | what wifi controller? you probably need firmware |
| 22:48.16 | blackop | intel wifi 2200bg |
| 22:48.31 | blackop | firmware already installed |
| 22:48.56 | sney | what happens when you try to connect? |
| 22:49.20 | blackop | it doesnt show available wifi connections to connect |
| 22:49.26 | sney | where? |
| 22:49.31 | blackop | i am on XFCE btw |
| 22:49.44 | blackop | on panel there is a ethernet icon |
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| 22:49.58 | blackop | part of network manager i guess |
| 22:50.17 | sney | ok. what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:50.32 | blackop | well in my other machine there is normally wifi icon but not on this machine |
| 22:51.25 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Modprobe it out and back in again. |
| 22:51.26 | blackop | sney: there are configs |
| 22:51.45 | blackop | Thedarkb-Desktop: i tried modprobe but didnt work |
| 22:52.01 | Thedarkb-Desktop | I remember you from ##ibmthinkpad |
| 22:52.09 | blackop | Thedarkb-Desktop: yup |
| 22:52.15 | sney | blackop: if your wireless interface is listed in /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager will ignore it. Remove the entry from that file and restart network-manager. |
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| 22:52.33 | blackop | i am on X40 at the moment |
| 22:53.20 | blackop | sney: should i delete that fire or where my previous wifi connection info exists |
| 22:53.27 | blackop | ? |
| 22:53.57 | trek00 | blackop: lspci -k shows a module loaded for your card? |
| 22:54.04 | sney | blackop: you should edit that file and remove any lines which refer to your wifi adapter. |
| 22:54.08 | blackop | trek00: yes |
| 22:54.39 | Waxhead | Howdy , this may be a stupid question. But I copyed (rsync -aHAXx) my rootfs to another drive on another fs. Then I edited /etc/fstab with the new UUID for my new rootfs, ran dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and installed grub on all drives (I've got 24 of them), ran update-grub and my system still boots up from the old rootfs... What am I missing?! |
| 22:55.16 | Waxhead | (I even tried chrooting to the new rootfs) |
| 22:55.30 | Waxhead | (....and doing the exact same as above) |
| 22:55.41 | blackop | typing on french keyboard is crazyy |
| 22:55.51 | blackop | it is azerty keyboard |
| 22:56.06 | trek00 | blackop: is there an entry for your wifi card on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:56.09 | blackop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.13 | blackop | trek00: yes |
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| 22:56.23 | blackop | i deleted wifi info from there |
| 22:56.34 | blackop | there are some other configs there |
| 22:56.48 | blackop | should i leave or remove them also? |
| 22:57.14 | sney | blackop: there should be 2 lines "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" that need to be in that file. everything else is optional. |
| 22:57.17 | trek00 | blackop: you should leave lo interface |
| 22:57.49 | blackop | this : http://paste.debian.net/plain/1145229 |
| 22:57.52 | trek00 | Waxhead: check the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg if it contains the new UUID |
| 22:58.06 | sney | blackop: yes looks fine |
| 22:58.17 | blackop | should i leave this way? |
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| 22:58.29 | sney | blackop: yes that is fine. |
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| 22:58.32 | Waxhead | trek00: Nope it did not... I am sure I ran grub-mkconf as well somewhere |
| 22:58.38 | blackop | ok need to reboot or logout? |
| 22:58.51 | sney | blackop: reboot just to be sure |
| 22:59.02 | blackop | ok brb then thanks |
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| 22:59.38 | trek00 | Waxhead: you should modify the /etc/fstab on the new rootfs, then chroot and run update-grub and check again that /boot/grub/grub.cfg on the new rootfs |
| 23:00.03 | Waxhead | trek00: yeah done that.... perhaps it is a ugly bugling somewhere |
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| 23:02.58 | trek00 | Waxhead: it should run fine, may be this help? https://askubuntu.com/a/145253 |
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| 23:03.42 | Waxhead | trek00: just what I done... but without the livecd... could it be some systemd thing that prevent the bind mount for working properly ? |
| 23:04.16 | trek00 | Waxhead: it should not, but i don't know systemd |
| 23:04.18 | Waxhead | or maybe my current boot harddrive is not accepting the grub-update from a chroot enviroment... |
| 23:04.34 | Waxhead | anyway , I'll give it another go as we speak |
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| 23:08.12 | trek00 | Waxhead: may be you could add GRUB_DEVICE_UUID=your-new-uuid to /etc/default/grub |
| 23:08.17 | Waxhead | trek00: I get a couple of warnings on grub-update. /dev/sdX not initialized in udev database even after waiting for 10000000 microseconds |
| 23:08.25 | Waxhead | (not sure I got the number of 0's right) |
| 23:09.18 | Waxhead | trek00: I can try to add that to /etc/default/grub yes, I would prefer it to work the "correct way" :) |
| 23:09.59 | trek00 | Waxhead: usually i boot adding manually the right uuid to the grub menu, then i run update-grub once booted from the right device |
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| 23:11.09 | Waxhead | trek00: Yeah , I don't have physicall access to the server right now you see ;) |
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| 23:13.28 | trek00 | Waxhead: the use the GRUB_DEVICE_UUID conf, then update-grub and check if grub.cfg is ok, then reboot and if it's all ok, remove the GRUB_DEVICE_UUID and rerun update-grub |
| 23:13.36 | blackop | sney: trek00: it is working thanks a lot |
| 23:13.41 | trek00 | :) |
| 23:14.45 | sney | np |
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| 23:18.00 | Waxhead | trek00: well, I'll keep that in mind. I am starting to get too tired to try... UUID's are never a good idea when you are sleepy ;) - so for now , thanks a bunch for your help! Appreciated! |
| 23:18.32 | trek00 | :) |
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| 23:21.17 | Waxhead | Arrrh.... why not - thanks to EVERYBODY that tries to help out. IRC is a friendlier place than it was 20 years ago, but still - not often that is being said so why the heck not! :) Can't hurt (too much) to try to spread some positive vibes once in a wile! ;) |
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| 23:29.50 | raver | Waxhead: ðâï¸ð |
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| 23:41.01 | otis | hi, how can i change locale keyboard to portugal portuguese in teminal? the installation was english im in buster |
| 23:41.48 | sney | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 23:54.56 | Gryllida | is there a package that says "we will only use 50% of CPU from now on, because the CPU temperature exceeds 70 C " ? |
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| 23:55.29 | otis | is there any additional setting? because the accentuation is not 100%. https://paste.debian.net/1145236/ |
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| 23:55.39 | asterismo_l | hi, is mongo-db supported in debian buster? or is there anyway to install it without breaking the system installing libcurl3? |
| 23:56.07 | n-iCe | Hello guys, how can I stop debian to restore my last windows |
| 23:57.02 | Gryllida | n-iCe: in what desktop environment? |
| 23:57.27 | jmcnaught | Gryllida: there's thermald. |
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| 23:59.53 | n-iCe | Gryllida: xfce |