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| 00:02.40 | Deihmos | anyone familiar with cron job? if i want to run a script twice per hour at 5 and 35 minutes past the hour |
| 00:03.07 | Deihmos | ANyone know how that works? |
| 00:03.15 | lwp | Deihmos, start with man cron |
| 00:03.47 | lwp | Deihmos, also, man 5 crontab |
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| 00:10.33 | Deihmos | 5 * * * * /path/job and 35 * * * * /path/job |
| 00:10.38 | Deihmos | is that it? |
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| 00:11.37 | lwp | OK, also even 5,15 * * * * /path/job |
| 00:11.54 | lwp | errr 5,35 * * * * i mean |
| 00:12.05 | Deihmos | oh ok got it thanks |
| 00:12.24 | lwp | be sure to use: crontab -e command to edit the file |
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| 00:16.28 | Deihmos | got it thanks |
| 00:16.39 | Deihmos | it is done. |
| 00:17.06 | lwp | good :) RTFMing gives much better info than relying on my memory |
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| 00:18.16 | Deihmos | i had already got to crontab -e. Wanted to make sure it was done correctly |
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| 00:30.13 | annadane | i have a super unclear question, but concerning amd, what's good right now in terms of support for buster? |
| 00:30.22 | annadane | i guess ryzen specifically |
| 00:30.41 | dvs | not the 3000s |
| 00:31.46 | annadane | if that's the criteria i think i'll be ok |
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| 00:33.36 | annadane | sorry, disconnect |
| 00:35.43 | annadane | i think i'll just get a 5 |
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| 00:39.51 | trek00 | dvs: why not the 3000s? |
| 00:41.13 | dvs | trek00, it's too new for the current kernel (4.19). I think the support was added for 5.2 |
| 00:41.31 | dvs | trek00, besides, too many people complain about it in here. |
| 00:41.58 | trek00 | dvs: it could be a bios issue |
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| 00:43.22 | trek00 | dvs: https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/great-news-for-users-with-the-latest-amd-ryzen/1003 |
| 00:43.45 | annadane | is it just that you can't boot? because the backport kernel is 5.5 i think |
| 00:43.51 | sponix | annadane: I've not seen complaints in the ##hardware channel. Lots of folks in there with Ryzen chips running Linux, and working fine |
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| 00:44.07 | annadane | i guess i should have checked the dates they were released |
| 00:44.14 | annadane | i see a lot of 2017 which is of course well before buster |
| 00:44.32 | trek00 | annadane: there was a booting issue with RDRAND and systemd, but fixed by bios update |
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| 01:18.43 | cmptr | Someone had told me to look at sticking an ssd in front of a spinning disk? What did you mean by that? |
| 01:19.07 | cmptr | My laptop doesn't have a mech drive. It only has a M.2 NVMe. |
| 01:21.25 | cmptr | I didn't have an issue booting off my usb in uefi mode on my laptop with secure boot enabled, but do you think that could have been what caused the NVMe to not be seen? |
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| 01:27.37 | sponix | cmptr: not sure the cause of that, but Secure Boot is good to disable for a few reasons |
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| 01:29.20 | cmptr | THere are a few good reason to disable secure boot? COuld you elborate on that please? |
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| 01:30.40 | cmptr | I know I had some issues with it being enabled on my other laptop when trying to install nvidia drivers. |
| 01:31.20 | sponix | cmptr: well, the "secure" portion is flawed making it worthless is the main one. And it can hinder things like nvidia drivers from loading with Linux (and other kernel modules like virtualbox) being a pretty good 2nd |
| 01:31.28 | sney | Secure boot is sometimes pointless, depending on the environment. https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot |
| 01:31.51 | sponix | just another MS failed attempt at security IMHO |
| 01:32.20 | cmptr | I agree with you on that with it being MS failed attempt. |
| 01:33.10 | cmptr | Do you think disabling it will help with the drive showing up? |
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| 01:33.54 | sponix | cmptr: I find it unlikely. But turning it off won't hurt for sure |
| 01:34.07 | cmptr | And if I choose the option to force UEFI installation, will it mess with my Windows Installation? |
| 01:34.33 | sponix | cmptr: see what "modes" are available for that nvme slot. If it is on Raid or something turn it to native nvme, sata, or ahci -- anything but raid (in that order) |
| 01:35.25 | sponix | cmptr: If Windows is installed EFI, you will be fine with both doing EFI. If one is Legacy, and the other EFI though -- you could have issues with both OS's even listing in the grub boot menu |
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| 01:36.03 | sponix | with a machine new enough to have nvme though, I'd say you most likely need to be booting/installing both of them in EFI mode |
| 01:36.11 | cmptr | sponix: I'm not sure if it is on RAID or not, but if it is and I change it, it will for sure mess up the windows installation. I also don't have legacy enabled. All is UEFI. |
| 01:37.12 | cmptr | When you say "EFI mode", you mean lagacy, correct? |
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| 01:37.40 | sponix | cmptr: if you toggle it and do the Linux Install. Grub if placed in the EFI fat32 partition (probably already made by the Windows install) -- can likely still boot both just fine |
| 01:38.11 | sponix | cmptr: No EFI/UEFI is the new method. "Legacy" is umm Legacy/BIOS/Old method |
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| 01:38.29 | sponix | and CSM is some compatibility mode that kinda bridges the gap |
| 01:38.57 | sponix | sney: step in if I'm wrong on any of that. I am very OLD, and the EFI stuff is still kinda new to me lol |
| 01:39.41 | cmptr | Okay. I have CSM disabled. I know with UEFI you sometimes need to install keys as I did with my previous laptop to boot in that mode, but witht his laptop, I seem to not have any issues with that which I am glad of. |
| 01:40.53 | trek00 | cmptr: which motherboard model do you have? |
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| 01:43.18 | cmptr | trek00: I'm not sure of the motherboard of the laptop, the cpu is i7 1065G7, so it does use the new Intel Iris Plus graphics. I have the dell XPS 13 9300 with 16GB of 3733MHz DDR4 with the 512GB NVMe which I switched out for a Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB |
| 01:44.37 | cmptr | Oh and it is the one with the UHD display. |
| 01:44.48 | trek00 | cmptr: sorry i thought you had issues with nvme but i just read more on the chatlog :) |
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| 01:45.45 | cmptr | I was a bit confused when you asked about the mobo because I was like "This is a laptop, not a desktop" :pp |
| 01:46.28 | sney | sponix: confirmed, you wouldn't see legacy bios and nvme in the same system |
| 01:47.32 | cmptr | Also, being that it is a new laptop with new hardware, I don't know if I should use Buster or Bullseye. I know that with using testing in the past I ran into some package problems with KDE, gcc and other compiler/programming packages being installed. |
| 01:48.13 | sney | testing is a moving target. sometimes it's fine for normal use, sometimes it isn't. |
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| 01:48.25 | cmptr | Should I just use Buster and grabs the drivers for my laptop separatly? Enable backports? BUild my own kernel? |
| 01:48.49 | sney | I would try to use buster at first, with backports as necessary, and move up to bullseye if necessary |
| 01:48.56 | trek00 | cmptr: usually i suggest stable with backported kernel, but to know you really need to try (may be running debian live stable to see if it's ok) |
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| 01:53.19 | cmptr | I will see what I can do, then report back. |
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| 01:54.52 | sponix | cmptr: just run "gparted" from the Live, and run around in it for a bit and see if everything is functional |
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| 01:56.27 | trek00 | cmptr: like to play a video on youtube :) |
| 01:56.44 | trek00 | (network, video, sound) |
| 01:57.03 | sponix | trek00: yes, good testing idea |
| 01:57.18 | cmptr | First step is getting connect to the internet (I'm going to have to tether through a macbook) |
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| 02:16.07 | Arnold_X-P | helpme please :D |
| 02:16.53 | trek00 | how? |
| 02:17.00 | dvs | we're not psychic |
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| 02:19.09 | Arnold_X-P | how do i see the open port list to listen in Debian 9.8 |
| 02:19.13 | Arnold_X-P | ports list |
| 02:19.51 | dvs | netstat -lpn |
| 02:23.14 | Arnold_X-P | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:44488 0.0.0.0:* 28222/./eggdrop |
| 02:23.55 | Arnold_X-P | 44488 that port is for eggdrop ??? |
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| 02:30.22 | somiaj | Arnold_X-P: looks like it gave you the process id, you could check the service / eggdrop configuration to see more details. |
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| 02:31.37 | somiaj | Arnold_X-P: if you are courious if that is a standard convention, some times you can find that info in /etc/services, though I'm not seeing eggdrop mentioned there, maybe go read eggdrops docs as to default port |
| 02:33.06 | Arnold_X-P | default port eggdrop 3333 or 4444 |
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| 02:33.40 | Arnold_X-P | the funny thing lets me connect in defero |
| 02:34.03 | Arnold_X-P | but when i use ctcp chat it blocks me |
| 02:34.16 | Arnold_X-P | Acknowledging chat request... |
| 02:34.17 | Arnold_X-P | Unable to connect |
| 02:34.17 | Arnold_X-P | DCC session closed |
| 02:34.41 | somiaj | Arnold_X-P: is this ran from a systemd service, check systemctl status eggdrop.service or systemctl show eggdrop.service |
| 02:34.48 | Arnold_X-P | in defer telnet works fine and connects |
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| 02:34.49 | somiaj | maybe that can give you info on how it is configured |
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| 02:36.12 | Arnold_X-P | where do i run that :( |
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| 02:40.57 | Arnold_X-P | eggdrop 28222 shun 5u IPv4 167996843 0t0 TCP *:1357 (LISTEN) |
| 02:41.21 | Arnold_X-P | listen 1357 users in .conf |
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| 02:44.37 | trek00 | Arnold_X-P: dcc needs a range of open tcp ports |
| 02:46.05 | Arnold_X-P | set reserved-portrange 1377:1380 |
| 02:46.52 | trek00 | Arnold_X-P: is it behind a firewall? |
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| 02:49.15 | Arnold_X-P | yes |
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| 02:49.23 | Arnold_X-P | firewall win7 |
| 02:49.35 | greenbagels | if "apt update" tells me that 1622 packages are ready to update, and apt.systemd.daily has been running for the past like, 3 hours, is it safe to assume that it's been trying to update all these packages? |
| 02:51.52 | dvs | greenbagels, or it's waiting for a prompt to be answered. |
| 02:52.04 | greenbagels | dvs: a prompt that will never be answered...? |
| 02:52.19 | greenbagels | there's no network traffic so maybe you're right... |
| 02:54.30 | dvs | That's my guess |
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| 03:04.30 | trek00 | Arnold_X-P: you should forward this port range on the firewall like the other ports |
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| 03:18.13 | R0b0t1 | hey I'm using a debian-based distro for embedded stuff |
| 03:18.21 | R0b0t1 | anyone got any leads on figuring out where/what the i2c driver is? |
| 03:18.25 | R0b0t1 | I need to increase the clock speed |
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| 03:20.47 | sney | R0b0t1: that question is probably best put to the hardware vendor. but broadly, you can figure out a lot of driver stuff by grepping your kernel's config file in /boot |
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| 03:21.19 | R0b0t1 | yeah I'm pushing on hw vendor side but getting much of nowhere |
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| 03:22.32 | R0b0t1 | sney: apparently it tends to be set in the device tree, do you know anything about that? |
| 03:22.40 | R0b0t1 | I have googled that before but no good leads |
| 03:22.50 | R0b0t1 | just "find the dt your vendor gave you and eat your vegetables" |
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| 03:23.10 | sney | yeah I mean, this isn't a commodity driver where I know anything off the top of my head |
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| 03:24.30 | sney | you'd want to figure out the name of the driver by looking at config and any other info you have about the hardware, then look at modinfo to figure out if it takes any parameters there, maybe look at the driver source if the options are really obscure, then look in /proc and /sys to see what interfaces there are or maybe it manifests as a character node in /dev |
| 03:25.06 | sney | "device tree" might refer to /dev but it's very rare that any configuration is done in /dev. |
| 03:25.20 | R0b0t1 | no it's like a file that sets pin mappings and some static info |
| 03:25.30 | R0b0t1 | apparently i2c is low enough level it doesn't tend to go above that |
| 03:25.45 | R0b0t1 | e.g. there's *no* driver with anything related to i2c in it, but the /dev/i2c-0 file is there |
| 03:25.58 | R0b0t1 | there's also no IOCTL for the i2c-0 device to set the speed apparently |
| 03:26.07 | R0b0t1 | there is one for SPI, and someone claiming it works on an i2c device node |
| 03:26.47 | sney | definitely sounding more and more like a job for the hardware vendor |
| 03:27.41 | R0b0t1 | this is an allwinner part |
| 03:27.47 | R0b0t1 | it runs on thoughts and prayers |
| 03:28.05 | sney | rip. maybe they knocked off someone else's design? |
| 03:29.25 | sney | also if you got an i2c node in /dev, it sounds like the kernel figured out what driver to use, so you can also grep the output of dmesg to find out what driver it is |
| 03:29.29 | sney | and then modinfo, etc |
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| 03:30.49 | trek00 | R0b0t1: may be these commands? modprobe i2c-dev; i2cdetect -l |
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| 03:34.59 | R0b0t1 | trek00: ah that got me something |
| 03:35.08 | R0b0t1 | mv64xxx_i2c |
| 03:35.58 | R0b0t1 | and corresponding ./include/linux/mv643xx_i2c.h |
| 03:36.13 | R0b0t1 | man there is *nothing* in that file |
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| 03:39.32 | trek00 | R0b0t1: that seems your ethernet card |
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| 03:40.05 | trek00 | R0b0t1: what documentation you read about that ioctl? |
| 03:40.29 | R0b0t1 | trek00: there's a marvell driver for eth and also i2c |
| 03:40.36 | R0b0t1 | i2c-0 i2c mv64xxx_i2c adapter I2C adapter |
| 03:40.41 | R0b0t1 | from i2cdetect |
| 03:41.34 | trek00 | R0b0t1: that should be the i2c channel of your ethernet |
| 03:42.33 | R0b0t1 | eh? |
| 03:42.46 | R0b0t1 | it very may well be connected to the eth chip, but I have devices hooked up to it and can talk to them |
| 03:42.55 | trek00 | R0b0t1: many devices can be connected to the i2c bus |
| 03:43.13 | R0b0t1 | oh you mean the eth chip control is done via i2c |
| 03:43.30 | BazookaToof | R0b0t1: have you asked in arm related channels? |
| 03:43.30 | trek00 | R0b0t1: some functionality may be exposed via i2c |
| 03:43.32 | R0b0t1 | not so sure, i2cdetect -y 0 just gives me the 4 chips I put on it myself |
| 03:43.34 | R0b0t1 | BazookaToof: yeah |
| 03:45.20 | trek00 | R0b0t1: which is the model of your motherboard? |
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| 03:46.16 | R0b0t1 | trek00: it's a nanopi duo, based on allwiner H2(+) |
| 03:46.19 | R0b0t1 | I think I finally found the dts file |
| 03:46.21 | R0b0t1 | arch/arm/mach-sunxi |
| 03:46.23 | R0b0t1 | in there |
| 03:46.25 | BazookaToof | archlinux-arm may help |
| 03:47.17 | R0b0t1 | they tend to have an aneurism if you're not using arch (though sometimes I go pretend to use arch :^) |
| 03:47.32 | BazookaToof | just ask specifically where to look for i2c stuff related to your shipset |
| 03:47.38 | BazookaToof | i know. i use arch |
| 03:47.49 | BazookaToof | chipset rather |
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| 03:50.01 | BazookaToof | R0b0t1: pretending to use arch is usually what pisses off arch support channels. don't do it |
| 03:50.09 | R0b0t1 | eeeh |
| 03:50.41 | R0b0t1 | I normally use Gentoo, maybe they feel inadequate if I'm honest with them |
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| 03:51.15 | somiaj | there is ##linux for those who want general linux support |
| 03:51.56 | BazookaToof | i mean technically you shouldn't be asking for support here either but that's besides the point |
| 03:52.05 | somiaj | Use the support community for the correct distro is also a sign of respect for the community (lying to get support does show off character) |
| 03:52.11 | R0b0t1 | true, I appreciate being put up with |
| 03:52.26 | R0b0t1 | well yes but I am going to point out I got further with the advice I received here than anywhere else |
| 03:52.32 | R0b0t1 | if people are talking about debian I let off |
| 03:52.36 | R0b0t1 | :) |
| 03:53.06 | somiaj | well we are a good community, but you should really bring debian questions here, to respect our volunteers |
| 03:53.10 | cmptr | Okay, so I have just installed Debian Buster (Without setting up the network because my Wi-Fi card isn't in the bundled installer kernel). I have backports enabled. Right now I am on Windows. What do I need to download to install the driver for my Wi-Fi card? I'm guessing first the backported kernel image and headers, then install it with `sudo apt-get -fV install <Path to package> |
| 03:53.11 | cmptr | --no-install-recommends`? |
| 03:53.33 | somiaj | cmptr: are you positive you need a backport kernel and not just firmware? |
| 03:54.10 | BazookaToof | R0b0t1: yeah but depending on how the channel feels at the time.. "debian-based" usually just means go elsewhere. arch is just way more harsh about it |
| 03:54.20 | somiaj | cmptr: assume you really need the backport kernel, you need a) the backport kernel package, b) the linux-common package that goes with it, and c) the firmware for your wifi device package. |
| 03:54.32 | somiaj | cmptr: if you don't need the backport kernel, you can get away with just the firmware package from buster. |
| 03:55.51 | cmptr | Let me double check if 4.19 has support for Killer ax1650 |
| 03:55.51 | somiaj | R0b0t1: it is a combination of techenical reasons (what works in debian doesn't always work in derivatives, and us spending hours figuring out why something that should work doesn't, only to find out you are running debian is frustrating) and social reasons, we are volunteers and you should respect our choice to support debian. If we wanted to support other distros we would be in that channel (man are in |
| 03:55.57 | somiaj | multiple places) |
| 03:55.59 | BazookaToof | R0b0t1: i just mention the alarm channel because the devs (think there are just 2) may not mind someone asking where to look, not how to fix your problem |
| 03:56.27 | somiaj | R0b0t1: arg, 'you aren't running debian'... had a typo |
| 03:56.56 | trek00 | R0b0t1: have you tried to set cpufreq via sysfs? |
| 03:57.11 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: yeah I understand most of the reasons |
| 03:57.14 | BazookaToof | somiaj: yeah that's why arch is pretty hostile about people being not being clear on what they are using |
| 03:57.19 | R0b0t1 | trek00: ok that is actually hilarious and would work, but I think I can just slow it down |
| 03:57.42 | somiaj | BazookaToof: we try not to be as hositl, but we also try to point people to correct support channels and not continue to offer support. |
| 03:57.43 | cmptr | I'm reading that the driver for the Killer AX1650 is included in 5.1+. Does anyone want to verify that for me? |
| 03:57.57 | BazookaToof | yup i know :) |
| 03:58.12 | somiaj | cmptr: I would go with that, and download all three. Did you use the offical or unoffical firmware installer? |
| 03:58.35 | cmptr | I used the official Buster net installer. |
| 03:58.40 | somiaj | cmptr: sometimes support is eariler as a staging driver, but if you see 5.1, I would use that. |
| 03:59.13 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: fwiw I'm pretty close to the solution now, deal with a lot of arm or hardware specific channels is there's only one or two people typically that know what is going on |
| 03:59.17 | somiaj | cmptr: well you could try just the firmware if you really wanted, there is a very quick test, once you boot into the system run 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' if you see messages about failed to load firmware from the wifi driver/module, you have support but not firmware |
| 03:59.20 | R0b0t1 | I mostly wanted to make sure there wasn't something obvious I missed |
| 03:59.43 | somiaj | cmptr: if you don't see any messages about failing to load firmware for the wifi driver/mdoule, you don't have support. Here I would assume you don't and get the backport kernel, linux-common, and firmware. |
| 04:00.33 | somiaj | R0b0t1: ##linux can be helpful to for genera linux style support |
| 04:01.00 | trek00 | cmptr: you probably need linux kernel backport and firmware-iwlwifi |
| 04:01.21 | BazookaToof | R0b0t1: if dietpi has a channel, that might be another one |
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| 04:01.42 | R0b0t1 | yeah I needed to know about dietpi anyway |
| 04:01.57 | R0b0t1 | nice |
| 04:02.11 | cmptr | When trying to detect my network hardware with the buster installer, it didn't list what drivers I needed, but using the testing installer, it did show what drivers I needed. I don't know if that says anything or not. |
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| 04:03.58 | trek00 | cmptr: testing have newer kernel, you need kernel 5.1 at least, so use the one from backports |
| 04:04.02 | somiaj | cmptr: as I said, I would belive the 5.1, and go with the backport kernel/firmware, I was just double checking that it was a kernel version and not just firmware. |
| 04:09.50 | cmptr | It isn't letting me download the package from debian.. |
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| 04:10.48 | trek00 | cmptr: you could use the web interface to download: https://packages.debian.org/ |
| 04:11.00 | cmptr | Thank you. |
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| 04:14.17 | cmptr | So I've got the backported kernel. What else will I need? linux-common? |
| 04:14.54 | trek00 | cmptr: firmware-iwlwifi from backport non-free |
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| 04:16.56 | cmptr | What about the firmware-nonfree package? Or can I just download the firmware-iwlwifi package and that will suffice? |
| 04:17.41 | trek00 | cmptr: it should suffice for your wireless card |
| 04:19.00 | cmptr | trek00: somiaj had mentioned that I would need the linux-common package that goes with the backported kernel. WIll this still be needed? |
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| 04:20.24 | cmptr | And should I download the dependencies as well? |
| 04:21.20 | trek00 | cmptr: it should run fine with those two packages |
| 04:21.57 | cmptr | And to install them I would execute `sudo apt-get -fV install <pakcages> --no-install-recommends`? |
| 04:22.19 | trek00 | or simpy dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 04:22.34 | cmptr | Thank you for your help. |
| 04:22.46 | trek00 | :) |
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| 04:32.25 | strk | what does it mean for lsb_release -a to print "Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.9 (stretch)" and "Release: 8" ? |
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| 04:36.38 | somiaj | maybe an issue with how lsb is getting that info, did you upgrade that system from debian 8? |
| 04:36.50 | somiaj | also what does cat /etc/debian_version return? |
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| 04:38.56 | Deihmos | new debian installer is really slow |
| 04:38.59 | strk | yes, upgraded from debian 8 |
| 04:39.16 | strk | the /etc/debian_version file has 9.9 |
| 04:39.17 | Unit193 | Might also want to check out `dpkg --verify base-files` |
| 04:39.37 | strk | dpkg --verify base-files # exits with success code |
| 04:39.37 | dpkg | wish i knew, strk |
| 04:39.48 | Deihmos | overwriting data to prevent meta-information leaks |
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| 04:40.37 | somiaj | strk: it might be lsb_release is still seeing something from debian 8 confusing it, for some reason I thikn parts of lsb toosl were removed in debian 8, so that coudl explain it. |
| 04:41.10 | somiaj | strk: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#reduced-lsb-support -- most lsb packages were removed in stretch (debian 9) so this could explain it |
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| 05:10.52 | Deihmos | no i mistakenly selected encrypt drive |
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| 08:45.10 | strk | why is it that `mk-build-deps` end up calling apt-cache showsrc debian/control ? |
| 08:45.41 | strk | because that call gives W: Unable to locate package debian/control |
| 08:45.47 | strk | (ie: it's a wrong call) |
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| 09:21.05 | Deihmos | bad interpreter: No such file or directory /bin/bash^M: |
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| 09:21.24 | Deihmos | anyone familiar with that error |
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| 09:21.43 | Haohmaru | smells like "^M" is not the right thing there |
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| 09:28.38 | ratrace | windows users on linux. Haohmaru, you aren't gagging! :) |
| 09:29.05 | Haohmaru | aww, that's a sin |
| 09:29.24 | Haohmaru | wut'cha tracing, mr ra? |
| 09:29.36 | ratrace | silicone! |
| 09:29.54 | Haohmaru | r u designing chipz? |
| 09:29.58 | ratrace | and I don't mean chips :) and, ooooh, girl, wrong chan for pillowtalk. |
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| 10:03.57 | irrr3levant | I always forget how to obtain the link for the complete iso (includes proprietary repo), can someone help? |
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| 10:05.51 | Haohmaru | this? https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ |
| 10:06.12 | irrr3levant | cheers |
| 10:06.22 | Haohmaru | websearch for "debian non-free iso" |
| 10:06.45 | irrr3levant | I did now like the "unofficial" part |
| 10:06.54 | irrr3levant | I though it should be official |
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| 10:07.56 | Haohmaru | the non-free stuff is not ideal |
| 10:09.39 | irrr3levant | I want stuff to work, not make a political statement |
| 10:10.20 | Haohmaru | .. i mean, that's why it's "unofficial" and maybe intentionally slightly more hidden ;P~ |
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| 10:36.01 | dey_t00k_my_nick | Hi, i'm having some package dependency issues. I'm trying to install zoom, but i get this error: |
| 10:36.04 | dey_t00k_my_nick | Err:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 libgl1-mesa-glx amd64 18.3.6-2 |
| 10:36.04 | dey_t00k_my_nick | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.14 | dey_t00k_my_nick | I think it has something to do with me trying to install steam the other day, and adding the i386, but not sure. either way, mesa does not wanting to install. |
| 10:37.36 | BazookaToof | just going to point you to the cve library related to zoom but hopefully someone else is awake |
| 10:38.59 | dey_t00k_my_nick | Yeah well, i hate this application, it's the worse video conferencing application i ever used, and I used skype... but 'tis what we do now. |
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| 11:21.45 | dlsm | how can I report malware in the BTS? |
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| 11:22.23 | Miles | what is BTS? |
| 11:22.36 | dlsm | ...seriously? |
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| 11:22.47 | BazookaTooth | bug tracking system |
| 11:23.01 | Miles | uhh |
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| 11:24.02 | dlsm | it contains a "report spam" link, but it reports the entire bug, not the spam comments |
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| 11:26.24 | BazookaTooth | can you link it to something on virustotal for reference instead? |
| 11:26.56 | BazookaTooth | some other virus/malware scanning engine link or whatever |
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| 12:21.27 | bt40 | Hi. Just migrated from ubuntu to debian today. How can I install banshee? I do not want to use rhythmbox. Debian 10. |
| 12:21.39 | bt40 | Not available in apt-get |
| 12:24.47 | teclo- | yeah there are packages not available in Debian 10 |
| 12:24.50 | teclo- | Amarok for instance |
| 12:25.29 | bt40 | thanks |
| 12:26.07 | diogenes_ | bt40, try DeaDBeeF too. |
| 12:27.30 | bt40 | Deadbeef is it available in official repositories? |
| 12:28.41 | diogenes_ | yes |
| 12:29.08 | abrotman | bt40: he's messing with you |
| 12:29.31 | diogenes_ | wait i'm not sure i think i installed from .deb. |
| 12:30.20 | abrotman | bt40: Is this for listening to local files? and you don't like Rhythmbox ? |
| 12:30.22 | diogenes_ | yes it was from their page, sorry. |
| 12:30.52 | bt40 | abrotman I hate rhythmbox for some personal reasons:) |
| 12:31.02 | bt40 | any good alternative will be apreciated' |
| 12:31.18 | bt40 | yes, local files only |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | I think I still use audacious in many cases |
| 12:32.58 | abrotman | but you can try something like "apt search media player" or "music player" or whatever .. browse the results |
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| 12:34.19 | abrotman | a lot of this may depend on desired features. I basically need it to scan a directory/sub-directories .. and just shuffle |
| 12:34.34 | bt40 | great thanks guys |
| 12:34.46 | bt40 | one more question as a newbie |
| 12:35.19 | bt40 | can we install software from ubuntu repositories of cource by manually adding them in sources.list or manually adding ppa? |
| 12:36.11 | cybercrypto | bt40: Yes, you can do that. And you are responsible for testing and for any issues you find (in case of some) |
| 12:36.40 | dvs | ??? |
| 12:37.13 | bt40 | thanks cubercrypto |
| 12:37.27 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 12:37.27 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 12:37.37 | cybercrypto | bt40: Believe me, you dont need to use ubuntu repositories in debian. (you can if you want) |
| 12:37.46 | bt40 | ok |
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| 12:38.59 | bsund | why does debian use redhat technology? |
| 12:39.14 | bsund | u know redhat is ibm and ibm is microsoft |
| 12:39.16 | bsund | so |
| 12:39.17 | bsund | y |
| 12:39.26 | cybercrypto | dvs: thanks. that's better explained. |
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| 12:40.21 | cybercrypto | bsund: you are jumping into conclusions... please care to explain. |
| 12:40.55 | bsund | is perfectly sober do not question it's questions |
| 12:41.01 | bsund | wait |
| 12:41.02 | cybercrypto | bsund: is it about the 'boot message' you seee during startup that shows 'redhat adm @redhat.com' in logs? |
| 12:41.18 | bsund | cybercrypto, no just drunk |
| 12:41.44 | cybercrypto | bsund: ok. please... ask you question again. :-) make it clear... i was confused. |
| 12:42.01 | bsund | is debian secretly in love with redhat? |
| 12:42.42 | Haohmaru | if it's secretly, how would we know |
| 12:43.14 | bsund | well birds sing their songs |
| 12:43.26 | bsund | but in this case i'm just drunk |
| 12:43.54 | Haohmaru | go to bed then, ur drunk! |
| 12:44.14 | bsund | i can get drunker, thank you very much |
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| 12:46.42 | cybercrypto | :-) |
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| 12:50.40 | bsund | can i go full wayland on testing? is the snazzy firefox things automagical? |
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| 12:52.26 | bsund | oh wait |
| 12:52.38 | bsund | brakecleaner starts to hit |
| 12:52.43 | bsund | debian and firefox |
| 12:52.43 | Haohmaru | ur only going to Drunkland so far ;P~ |
| 12:53.47 | Haohmaru | bsund debian testing is supported on another channel.. on OFTC |
| 12:53.59 | bsund | can i go like apt install wayland and i will be in the land where the birds lay the way? |
| 12:54.05 | bsund | oh |
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| 12:55.34 | greycat | I would imagine Wayland in testing works basically the same as Wayland in stable. However that works. Because I really do not know. It's not explained anywhere I've ever found. |
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| 12:56.17 | bsund | i don't have much else to do so why not. gonna try it.. someday :P |
| 12:56.29 | bsund | could be tonight |
| 12:57.29 | bsund | want a proper openbox though only gnome/kde and sway atm? |
| 12:58.03 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland has some information. It's slightly better than the last time I looked at it. |
| 12:59.38 | bsund | gonna try it out.. used ratpoison for a long time, so sway might not be that bad |
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| 13:12.18 | mzajc | I get the following error when I run glxinfo (and virtualbox) with PRIME: |
| 13:12.19 | mzajc | libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi |
| 13:12.21 | mzajc | further examination using debug libgl logs shows this: |
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| 13:12.23 | mzajc | libGL: MESA-LOADER: failed to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeonsi_dri.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/radeonsi_dri.so: undefined symbol: amdgpu_cs_query_reset_state2 |
| 13:12.28 | mzajc | what could be wrong? |
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| 13:41.25 | cybercrypto | mzajc: You could use pastebin to avoid flood in the channel. I am reading your message above, unfortunatelly I do not have much experience with radeon cards. |
| 13:42.11 | mzajc | sorry, didn't know that the spam treshold is set to 5 messages |
| 13:43.00 | cybercrypto | acctually is 3 :-) |
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| 13:43.50 | cybercrypto | mzajc: np. just redo your question, using pastbin and i hope someone can give you some tips. |
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| 13:44.05 | cybercrypto | ops... i meant, pastebin. |
| 13:44.13 | mzajc | hang on, is it not seen by other people? |
| 13:44.29 | greycat | we saw up to where you got kicked |
| 13:44.34 | mzajc | I see |
| 13:44.37 | mzajc | one moment |
| 13:45.02 | greycat | if I had to guess, it sounds like the driver isn't built correctly for the current kernel |
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| 13:45.10 | mzajc | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/36dfe772/ |
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| 13:45.16 | mzajc | there, that's my full text |
| 13:45.17 | cybercrypto | mzajc: Yes. everyone logged in saw exaxtly what I saw. (up to where you were kicked). |
| 13:45.30 | greycat | which would lead me to guess that you did something sketchy by hand, like copying a driver module from one system to another |
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| 13:45.59 | greycat | or from one kernel's subdirectory to another, without rebuilding |
| 13:46.03 | mzajc | nope, I don't remember doing that |
| 13:46.26 | mzajc | I did copy some missing firmware from the firmware git tree into /lib/firmware, but that it |
| 13:46.37 | mzajc | actually, I think that wasn't even on this system |
| 13:46.45 | greycat | or... hmm, actually these aren't *kernel* modules at all... they're not *.ko files, they're *.so files |
| 13:46.52 | mzajc | indeed |
| 13:47.27 | otis | hi, is there anybody who uses oh-my-zsh ? |
| 13:47.54 | greycat | !anyone |
| 13:47.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:48.29 | otis | the dedicated channel has only bots! |
| 13:48.43 | BazookaTooth | #zsh? |
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| 13:49.05 | greycat | maybe everyone except the bots is waiting for you to ask your real question |
| 13:49.11 | otis | #oh-my-zsh |
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| 13:49.20 | BazookaTooth | try #zsh too |
| 13:49.26 | otis | i did |
| 13:49.41 | BazookaTooth | see greycat's comment |
| 13:49.57 | mzajc | greycat: I did use this script to install opencl support, though. could it have caused the issue? https://gist.github.com/kytulendu/3351b5d0b4f947e19df36b1ea3c95cbe |
| 13:51.05 | greycat | "I ran a random script from shithub" counts as "doing something sketchy by hand". I don't know enough to actually *read* it and tell you how broken it is, but it's on shithub, so I'm just going to guess "yes". |
| 13:51.27 | cybercrypto | otis: How can I answer something if there is no question? :-) greycat is trying to help, please ask your question, describe your issue and what your trying to achieve and, hopefully someone will give you some advice. |
| 13:51.28 | nyuszika7h | is there a way to stop smartd from emailing me every day about an unchanged Current Pending Sector Count? |
| 13:51.36 | nyuszika7h | I do want to get notified if it changes |
| 13:51.43 | mzajc | I assume not since I have checked it before blindly running |
| 13:51.55 | mzajc | and it only ever does stuff in the /opt directory |
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| 13:52.17 | mzajc | plus it registers the vendor in /etc/OpenCL/vendors/ |
| 13:52.21 | otis | https://paste.debian.net/1145501/ |
| 13:54.54 | cybercrypto | otis: the ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh is repeted twice in the path. is that on purpose? |
| 13:55.11 | cybercrypto | otis: repeated, I mean |
| 13:55.24 | otis | i checked in the ozh channel and the topic drives to the used address, the repetition is correct |
| 13:55.59 | cybercrypto | otis: I see. |
| 13:56.04 | otis | dont know what is wrong |
| 13:59.56 | cybercrypto | otis: they are there. I am also dont know whats wrong. I have one suggestion for you to try. |
| 14:00.18 | otis | go on |
| 14:01.30 | cybercrypto | otis: use this instead: https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh (or https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh.git) |
| 14:02.05 | cybercrypto | otis: the 'colored-man-pages' will be cloned sub-dir. |
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| 14:03.02 | Akuw | the less the offset is in nt the better ? |
| 14:03.55 | Akuw | using "ntpq -p" for offset i got -3180 and another has -40.425 |
| 14:04.10 | Akuw | the first has a diference of 5 minutes |
| 14:05.09 | otis | im a newbie in git |
| 14:06.03 | otis | but your address lists the complete list of plugins available |
| 14:06.09 | cybercrypto | Akuw: Yes. offset displays difference after conplex math for network latency/RRT etc.. querying external ntp servers. 5 minutes = not good. (have you just started your server or? |
| 14:07.38 | otis | i believe the git is ok. how can i test? |
| 14:08.07 | cybercrypto | otis: I may be wrong, but if you check their git project, they do not provide .git for cloning just pluggins. You may ask directly there if you really want just 'colored-man-pages'. I am afraid I cannot give you a better answer now. |
| 14:08.45 | otis | can i clone the whole list? |
| 14:08.57 | otis | in one shot? |
| 14:10.39 | cybercrypto | Akuw: drift file can be used for 'slicing time difference' slowly so the systems do not get impacted (in case you cannot stop service). If you can stop NTP service for a momment, tou can force time adjustment using ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org; after that you start your ntp server again. |
| 14:11.13 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:11.32 | Akuw | i am checking but the time showed by "date" is same in both |
| 14:11.39 | Akuw | the problem is in java app |
| 14:14.28 | cybercrypto | Akuw: are you using TZ? |
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| 14:16.21 | Akuw | yes |
| 14:16.39 | Akuw | TZdata |
| 14:17.11 | cybercrypto | Akuw: is the system time difference conpared to java time = equals the GMT=0 and your timezone? |
| 14:17.56 | cybercrypto | Akuw: if so, my guess is that java is not using timezone correctly. if not :-) I am clueless about it... dont know about your app. |
| 14:18.24 | Akuw | but the same app is runnng in 3 diferent places |
| 14:18.36 | Akuw | the only diference is NTP server used |
| 14:21.49 | cybercrypto | Akuw: ntp server and java app runs on the same debian server? |
| 14:22.10 | Akuw | no |
| 14:23.15 | greycat | if there's a question about accuracy of one's clock, it should be diagnosed with standard command line tools first, before touching the horror show known as Java |
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| 14:31.28 | wrksx | Hey guys |
| 14:31.38 | wrksx | messin around with network boot |
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| 14:32.18 | wrksx | very fun, i've been able to host the debian installer on a tftp and boot that using pxelinux |
| 14:33.16 | wrksx | now I'm reaching the point where I have a vague idea of how it's working but I want to know more. |
| 14:34.14 | wrksx | What I'm wondering is: is this possible to "boot" an arbirary kernel from the network ? |
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| 14:44.09 | Akuw | how can i install a external HP CD-ROM unit |
| 14:44.12 | Akuw | USB |
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| 14:44.42 | Akuw | lsusb --> Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0461:4d0f Primax Electronics, Ltd HP Optical Mouse |
| 14:44.48 | Akuw | sorry |
| 14:45.53 | Akuw | 395124.789195] usb-storage 2-1.2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected |
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| 14:48.39 | petn-randall | Akuw: I'd assume it is just plug and play. |
| 14:48.51 | Akuw | hehehehehe |
| 14:48.53 | Akuw | no |
| 14:50.03 | petn-randall | Akuw: Can you paste the complete kernel output to https://paste.debian.net when plugging it in? |
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| 14:50.19 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:50.35 | petn-randall | thanks |
| 14:51.55 | Akuw | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1145514/ |
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| 14:53.14 | petn-randall | Akuw: The device should be reachable via /dev/sr0. |
| 14:53.33 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:53.36 | Akuw | let me check |
| 14:53.54 | petn-randall | Akuw: So I assume your DE will allow you to mount any disks in it, and any burner will allow you to use it to burn disks (if the device supports it). |
| 14:54.10 | Akuw | let me try, i will let you know |
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| 14:55.46 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1145516/ |
| 14:55.48 | Akuw | errors |
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| 14:58.15 | Deihmos | Doesn't apprentices eliminate spaces in folder names like this "/mnt/Medialibrary/Recorded TV/" |
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| 15:00.38 | Akuw | cdrskin --devices how unit too |
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| 15:03.49 | Akuw | petn-randall: trying to mount ---> mount: /media/cdrom0: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. |
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| 15:06.23 | cybercrypto | Akuw: what was the mount command you used? What filesystem you choosed when you wrote data into the media you trying to mount using the external CD-ROM? |
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| 15:07.40 | Akuw | cybercrypto: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 15:08.39 | cybercrypto | Akuw: ISO9660 is the most common used... (jouliet extension) |
| 15:08.57 | Akuw | yes |
| 15:09.02 | trek00 | Akuw: is the cd media valid? can you read it from another cdrom? and is che cd drive powered? attached to an usb 3 port or with AC adapter? |
| 15:09.24 | Akuw | is powerred by USB |
| 15:09.36 | trek00 | Akuw: via an usb 3 port? |
| 15:09.42 | Akuw | i use 2 diferent CDs |
| 15:09.42 | petn-randall | Akuw: I'm assuming the disk is unreadable. |
| 15:09.43 | greycat | Joliet and Rock Ridge are the common extensions to ISO 9660 to support filenames that are not EIGHT.THR;1 |
| 15:10.01 | petn-randall | Akuw: Or the optical sensor is defect. |
| 15:10.07 | Akuw | hummm |
| 15:10.10 | Akuw | could be |
| 15:10.13 | Akuw | i have to check |
| 15:10.14 | Akuw | wait |
| 15:10.26 | petn-randall | Akuw: I've only ever got those errors when backing up scratched disks. |
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| 15:11.32 | Akuw | ok, i test from windows computerand was ok |
| 15:11.41 | Akuw | i saw the files |
| 15:11.51 | petn-randall | With the same drive? |
| 15:12.10 | Akuw | yes |
| 15:12.16 | Akuw | and same cd |
| 15:12.21 | petn-randall | And could you read the data? |
| 15:12.21 | trek00 | Akuw: do you have an external usb harddisk? if yes try to plug it into the same usb port to see if it gets powered |
| 15:12.34 | Akuw | no |
| 15:12.42 | petn-randall | (not just see the disk contents) |
| 15:13.20 | trek00 | Akuw: are you sure that usb port is powered? usually only usb3 ports are powered |
| 15:13.23 | cybercrypto | Akuw: take the chance and check the filesystem information used by the disc, when you mount it on windows. just in case. |
| 15:13.57 | trek00 | Akuw: usb3 ports usually are blue colored |
| 15:14.00 | petn-randall | trek00: USB2 is also powered. And also USB1. |
| 15:14.06 | greycat | trek00: not always. |
| 15:14.07 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1145519/ |
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| 15:14.31 | cybercrypto | Akuw: when you plug usb the drive into windows-pc, you can read the disc normally? |
| 15:14.33 | Akuw | this is a Thinkpad T420 using old usb |
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| 15:14.48 | Akuw | cybercrypto: yes |
| 15:15.01 | trek00 | Akuw: you need an external ac adapter probably, or a powered usb hub |
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| 15:15.07 | lupulo | hi |
| 15:15.29 | trek00 | Akuw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb3#Power_and_charging |
| 15:15.33 | Akuw | trek00: it use usb only to powerup |
| 15:15.51 | Akuw | there is no other connector |
| 15:16.02 | petn-randall | hi lupulo |
| 15:17.19 | petn-randall | Akuw: Can you copy the data from the windows pc? And is it usable? |
| 15:18.09 | greycat | https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/identify-usb-3-0-charging-ports-by-looking-at-the-symbols-next-to-them/ |
| 15:18.43 | Akuw | petn-randall: yes |
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| 15:19.49 | petn-randall | Interesting. |
| 15:20.43 | greycat | The computer I'm on right now has a front USB port that's black, but has the SS symbol. |
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| 15:25.38 | Akuw | could be this is a kernel problem ? |
| 15:25.48 | Akuw | or firmware |
| 15:25.49 | trek00 | Akuw: probably is a power issue |
| 15:26.23 | pthreat | SS symbol? I better hide |
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| 15:26.53 | BazookaTooth | trek00: i have not seen an external writer need a y cable for power in over a decade. and if it needed one, it would have been included |
| 15:27.13 | trek00 | BazookaTooth: also for usb 2.0 ports? |
| 15:27.14 | lupulo | hi petn-randall |
| 15:27.36 | BazookaTooth | doesn't matter |
| 15:27.47 | pthreat | BazookaTooth: Can tell you are not a mac user |
| 15:28.16 | trek00 | BazookaTooth: it needs more power than an usb2.0 can give |
| 15:28.20 | lupulo | petn-randall, data of windows is in another type of filesystem, ntfs. kernel has ntfs write option too |
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| 15:28.52 | BazookaTooth | find that hard to believe but okay |
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| 15:29.17 | lupulo | petn-randall, or in the user space, it exists a module fuse-ntfs3g |
| 15:29.20 | trek00 | BazookaTooth: read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb3#Power_and_charging |
| 15:29.34 | lupulo | petn-randall, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G |
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| 15:31.59 | petn-randall | lupulo: Ok, but why are you telling me this? |
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| 15:33.18 | trek00 | Akuw: try to plug the cd drive to all the others usb ports, may be one is powered: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/T420-USB-port-output-current/td-p/1360693 |
| 15:33.19 | petn-randall | lupulo: Akuw is debugging hardware issues on their USB-CD-ROM drive, it doesn't have anything to do with filesystems. |
| 15:33.33 | Akuw | i am doing |
| 15:33.49 | BazookaTooth | 15:14 < cybercrypto> Akuw: when you plug usb the drive into windows-pc, you can read the disc normally? |
| 15:33.52 | BazookaTooth | 15:14 < Akuw> this is a Thinkpad T420 using old usb |
| 15:33.55 | BazookaTooth | 15:14 < Akuw> cybercrypto: yes |
| 15:33.56 | petn-randall | trek00: They're *all* powered. You're working from wrong assumptions. |
| 15:33.57 | BazookaTooth | right |
| 15:34.28 | trek00 | i assume the windows-pc is not that T420 laptop with linux |
| 15:34.36 | greycat | A USB port with the lightning symbol is powered even when the computer is turned off. That's all. |
| 15:34.37 | Akuw | i did test all usb ports but got same results |
| 15:35.01 | Akuw | windows pc is using widnows |
| 15:35.06 | Akuw | *windows |
| 15:35.16 | BazookaTooth | Akuw: did you use powered usb hub on the windows machine? |
| 15:35.25 | trek00 | Akuw: windows it's not on the T420, rigth? |
| 15:35.27 | Akuw | yes |
| 15:35.32 | petn-randall | trek00: Only difference between usb2 and 3 in that regard is that 3 allows higher power draw. But if the drive needs usb3-level power draw and the port can't give it, that would be logged in the kernel. |
| 15:35.35 | Akuw | trek00: no |
| 15:35.39 | Akuw | is another model |
| 15:35.45 | trek00 | good |
| 15:36.31 | trek00 | petn-randall: i don't see any error messages on the devices i own if i put them on an usb2 port |
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| 15:37.23 | petn-randall | trek00: Because they're powered fine, maybe? |
| 15:37.49 | trek00 | petn-randall: i mean when they draws more power than available |
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| 15:38.01 | petn-randall | trek00: How do you know they do that? |
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| 15:38.42 | trek00 | petn-randall: you could connect to the internal chipset, but it don't get the power to start rotating the disk |
| 15:41.25 | cybercrypto | Akuw: by any chance, dont you have any way to power source your usb-cd-rom-external using any spare adaptor or hub you may have around? |
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| 15:42.35 | Akuw | no |
| 15:42.48 | Akuw | you want a picture of device? i can load |
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| 15:44.09 | cybercrypto | Akuw: nops |
| 15:44.09 | Akuw | https://www8.hp.com/us/en/accessories/product-details/5450956 |
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| 15:46.03 | cybercrypto | Akuw: I have a bad (but quite good) idea :-) Boot a live debian image using your windows-pc-hardware and plug it, and see if it mounts ok. PC-USB hardware variable will be eliminated in this test. |
| 15:46.10 | cybercrypto | Akuw: just saying... :-) |
| 15:46.48 | Akuw | hummmm |
| 15:46.52 | Akuw | well |
| 15:47.01 | Akuw | i have to prepare a USB Stick |
| 15:47.31 | dvs | Akuw, cybercrypto means a live CD on a CD |
| 15:47.37 | dvs | right? |
| 15:48.47 | Akuw | i dont have live cd |
| 15:48.56 | Akuw | no CDROM |
| 15:49.09 | Akuw | or you mean, boot from External USB |
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| 15:51.03 | cybercrypto | Akuw: no. I meant a live USB to boot windows-hardware and get debian live running. After that, he can plug cd-rom-usb into widowns-pc-hardware-running-debian-live and check how it goes. |
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| 15:51.37 | Akuw | ok, the only thing i can do is boot from USB live |
| 15:51.52 | Akuw | i have no internal CDROM |
| 15:52.54 | cybercrypto | my suggestion has a single purpose: test if debian generic kernel will mount your cd-rom using the PC-hardware that you already know that works with windows |
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| 15:53.39 | cybercrypto | Akuw: if that pass ok, you can check modules loaded and compare. if they are the same, you are most probably facing a usb-power problem. |
| 15:54.14 | Akuw | why power problem? kernel can see the hardware and recognize |
| 15:54.18 | cybercrypto | Akuw: it is just an idea... it will take some time... do it if you thing it is valid. I am just saying. |
| 15:54.33 | Akuw | thanks |
| 15:54.45 | cybercrypto | usb_power_problem in your thinkpad. |
| 15:55.00 | Akuw | dont think i dont apreciate your suggestions |
| 15:55.19 | Akuw | hummm |
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| 15:56.23 | cybercrypto | Akuw: a much simpler verification is to power-source you USB-CDROM (using a borrowed hub adaptor) before you plug it in your thinkpad, and test again. |
| 16:01.06 | cybercrypto | Akuw: sure, np |
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| 16:01.28 | Akuw | let me see |
| 16:01.37 | Akuw | i will let you know |
| 16:01.59 | cybercrypto | Akuw: good luck, cya! |
| 16:02.28 | BazookaTooth | pretty typical for a usb writer... doesn't come with a y cable and i'm pretty sure the label says 5v @ 1.6amps https://www.amazon.com/HP-DVD-RW-Drive-External-F2B56AA/dp/B00H2FTQEW |
| 16:02.56 | Akuw | thanks |
| 16:03.38 | Akuw | 1.6 |
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| 16:11.09 | Arcaik | Hi there, I’m running on Debian Sid and I can’t use Jitsi anymore since Firefox was upgraded to 76.0. Basically users with Firefox 76 on Debian Sid can’t see or hear (and can’t be seen or heard by) other people in the room (I tested on 3 different laptops). Is there anything I may have missed with the Firefox 76 upgrade? Should I report a bug on the Debian bug tracker? |
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| 16:15.23 | annadane | Arcaik, possibly report a bug if there isn't one filed already, and/or to troubleshoot your issue ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:15.58 | netcrash | Hello, "@hourly gapps /opt/script.sh " I'm using this entry on a cron.d/script file , is this correct? It's not getting executed. |
| 16:16.08 | trek00 | Akuw: anyway if you read the specs, it says: "5 VDC < 800 mA Read (typical at O.D.)" |
| 16:16.37 | Akuw | that means ? |
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| 16:17.55 | trek00 | Akuw: that you need a powered usb hub or an ac adapter to connect it to your T420 (if you already tried to connect the drive to all the usb ports) |
| 16:18.14 | BazookaTooth | tldr; trek00 is right. your laptop's usb bus is too anemic power it :D |
| 16:18.21 | Akuw | jejeej |
| 16:18.30 | Akuw | yes, just now i read the specs |
| 16:18.42 | Akuw | please, dont talk bad about my baby |
| 16:18.44 | Akuw | LOL |
| 16:19.05 | trek00 | Akuw: i love old computers, the still doing a good work :) |
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| 16:19.55 | pthreat | trek00: want to know what I love ? |
| 16:20.14 | cybercrypto | old thinkpads are nokia's 8349 feat phones :-) |
| 16:21.04 | pthreat | trek00: VHF is what I love http://www.websdr.org/ and morse code https://morse.withgoogle.com/learn/ |
| 16:21.09 | Akuw | heheheh |
| 16:21.28 | trek00 | pthreat: :p |
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| 16:28.28 | broseph | Is there a free alternative to phpmyadmin? |
| 16:28.59 | somiaj | broseph: there are alternatives, but I would just use phpmyadmin if you like it |
| 16:29.04 | somiaj | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 16:29.05 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u9; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4:4.6.6-4+deb9u1; buster-backports: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2; sid: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2 |
| 16:29.53 | somiaj | broseph: you can grab it from buster backports. Teh only reason it didn't make it into buster was the matainers didn't have time to udate it to the current version to fix some rc bugs during the release, but it is still free and works just fine. |
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| 17:03.02 | andhoy | hi guys, trying to install debian on a HP proliant G7. I have put the firmware on a usb stick with fat32. Load missing firmware does nothing, so mounted the fat filesystem. And now, how to make installer make use of the fw files? |
| 17:03.21 | greycat | !firmare images |
| 17:03.27 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 17:03.27 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 17:03.52 | andhoy | Seriously, I'm using this one. Just downloaded it. |
| 17:04.23 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.36 | andhoy | 8613d7a981b7c3986c5c7cea6d01027a firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:05.10 | andhoy | Let me double check if I dd'd the correct image, but I'm pretty sure. |
| 17:05.40 | greycat | If you can install to the point where networking is up, you can just download whatever additional firmware you need. |
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| 17:15.28 | cybercrypto | andhoy: I dont know proliant boot capabilities. how options you have? |
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| 17:16.04 | cybercrypto | how many, i mean |
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| 18:06.08 | andhoy | I dd'd the wrong iso 0.o had a debian netinstall iso in download folder, so that explains it :) |
| 18:07.00 | antto | andhoy btw, lately it is advised to use "cp" for putting iso images onto this or that, not dd |
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| 18:08.15 | somiaj | cp just has better defaults for modern systems, both work |
| 18:08.29 | somiaj | cp also has more standard syntax |
| 18:08.48 | somiaj | (dd is slow unless you change the default read/write byte lenght to mathc your hardware) |
| 18:08.49 | antto | yeah, the only reason i used dd before was cuz status=progress |
| 18:08.56 | antto | unfortunately cp doesn't have that |
| 18:09.05 | sney | but how will I feel like a hacker if I can't type all of that if of bs conv=notrunc stuff ?? |
| 18:09.07 | somiaj | then keep using dd, they both work. |
| 18:09.22 | greycat | dd is fine; just give it a reasonable block size (bs=) |
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| 18:09.48 | antto | i used to do conv=sync, turns out it was not doing what i thought it does |
| 18:09.50 | antto | meh |
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| 18:11.34 | joepublic | cp is a cryptic two-letter unixy hacker command for sure. The Power!(tm) |
| 18:12.49 | ircuser65 | Hey, I want to install a control panel for hosting administration, ispconfig is my first election, can anyone recommend me another? I just exploring options |
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| 18:14.13 | somiaj | ircuser65: most here would not recommend any, because they are often security nightmares |
| 18:14.30 | charking | Hello. I have some processes that won't end even if I kill -9 them. They are fusermounts. How can I end them? |
| 18:14.31 | somiaj | !free whcp |
| 18:14.31 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 18:14.42 | charking | Their status in ps is D |
| 18:14.49 | somiaj | ircuser65: ^^ Use as you so desire though, there are some options |
| 18:15.15 | somiaj | charking: I would unmount the mount |
| 18:15.36 | charking | somiaj: That gives "Device or resource busy" |
| 18:16.01 | charking | "fusermount: failed to unmount /foo/bar: Device or resource busy" |
| 18:16.06 | somiaj | do you have some software access a file inside the mount, you need to stop anything that is access the mount. |
| 18:16.23 | somiaj | lsof can help you figure out what process is access a file inside the mount |
| 18:16.45 | charking | somiaj: lsof /foo/bar just freezes and doesn't output |
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| 18:16.58 | charking | somiaj: The only processes open are sshfs (for the mount itself). I can't kill them |
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| 18:18.25 | charking | somiaj: sudo umount -f /foo/bar seems to have worked... |
| 18:18.46 | charking | somiaj: I'm confused because I thought sshfs used fusermount |
| 18:19.12 | charking | thanks |
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| 19:01.52 | flok | sney thanks |
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| 19:16.16 | saptech | hey all |
| 19:16.44 | sney | hi |
| 19:17.04 | saptech | I recently got an Epson WF-3720 AIO printer. I have the printer & scanner working, but I can't get it to scan using the Document Feeder. Does anyone have idea why or how to get it to work? Running Buster |
| 19:18.08 | sney | does the ADF work in general? can you copy with it using the printer control panel? |
| 19:18.28 | saptech | yes I can copy and it scans using the flatbed |
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| 19:19.18 | sney | what happens if you load a document into the ADF and then try to scan |
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| 19:20.01 | saptech | the scanner runs as if scanning but it is blank, using simple-scan |
| 19:20.28 | saptech | I guess it always think it's using the flatbed |
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| 19:23.15 | saptech | sney, when I choose scan, computer, a message appears saying install Epson Event Manager software to use this feature. I haven't seen that and believe it may be a Windows program |
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| 19:23.42 | sney | yes, it probably is |
| 19:24.06 | karlpinc | saptech: What did you install to get it to this point? |
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| 19:24.44 | saptech | the printer & scanner drivers. printer drivers from debian and scanner drivers from epson website |
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| 19:26.02 | Morg0th | Hey there, if I want to have more up-to-date packages (compared to the last versions that I can find on github and such), is it a good idea to switch to Debian Testing (from Buster)? Or should I rather manually build and install the packages I want to be up-to-date? |
| 19:26.40 | saptech | karlpinc, sney, here are the drivers page http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule |
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| 19:27.43 | sney | Morg0th: testing is a moving target. sometimes it's fine for desktop usage and sometimes it isn't. if you're comfortable tinkering with stuff yourself and reporting bugs you find, sure, upgrade. otherwise, use buster-backports |
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| 19:28.23 | saptech | there is a pkg, 'Epson Printer Utility' but I can't install it with Debian because of 'lsb' is deprecated |
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| 19:29.17 | sney | you can tell it that the old lsb is installed with equivs, I doubt that dependency is functional |
| 19:29.43 | Morg0th | sney: ok, i'll have a look into backports, thanks |
| 19:30.32 | sney | np |
| 19:31.15 | saptech | sney, it wants a newer version |
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| 19:33.38 | sney | proprietary crap is so annoying. "here's a package that works with your OS, but the dependencies don't make any sense because we just cargo culted the control file, good luck" |
| 19:33.53 | somiaj | Morg0th: sometimes the amount or what newer software you need can be a factor. Often times it is easy enough to build a few select newer peices of software on buster and install in /usr/local, /opt, or $HOME |
| 19:34.14 | somiaj | Morg0th: though if the software won't build, or you have to build tons of dependencies, then maybe buster isn't that useful for your usecase |
| 19:38.31 | saptech | I'll just have to manually scan documents if its more then a couple....grrr |
| 19:39.03 | saptech | my older Brother AIO used the ADF and it was old enough to vote... :) |
| 19:39.55 | somiaj | saptech: does that printer have a built in scanner/emailer, some of them you can configure to do the scanning and just email the result vs control it from yoru computer |
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| 19:41.54 | saptech | somiaj, yes it have settings for email etc. I haven't played around with yet |
| 19:46.56 | somiaj | saptech: at my office, all of our copiers/scanners, we just have on the network and then use its internal functions to email the document, they can be configured to send .jpg or .pdf of the full scan |
| 19:47.03 | somiaj | even .tiff too |
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| 19:49.42 | saptech | somiaj, you mean scan the doc to email as attachment, which then get the scanned doc from email? |
| 19:52.12 | saptech | hmmm, when I look at scan to email, it show, "configure an email server to use". I should be able to use gmail or my isp email server? Is this how to set it up? |
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| 19:53.00 | sney | saptech: install postfix and point it at your computer's ip as the email server |
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| 19:55.30 | saptech | sney, it's more to it then that? |
| 19:56.05 | sney | nope, you're not sending internet email, and smtp is very basic |
| 19:56.38 | saptech | ok, I'll look into it. thanks...I have time with C-19 |
| 19:56.39 | dvs | some say simple. ;-) |
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| 20:24.02 | broseph | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 20:24.20 | broseph | So to install from backports, do I need to add a repo? Or can I just download it and install? |
| 20:25.07 | sney | !buster-backports |
| 20:25.07 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 20:26.22 | broseph | Thanks. |
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| 20:36.36 | somiaj | broseph: also depends on the software, not all software is in backports (I missed what software you wanted a newer version off) |
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| 20:56.33 | fly_agaric | hello guys, does someone know a smartphone with real debian installed? |
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| 20:56.58 | fly_agaric | I don't want to get unwanted software on my smartphone like the super cool corona app you know |
| 20:57.18 | loeken | burn your phone then |
| 20:57.48 | fly_agaric | yes i ll do that eventually with my samsung galaxy phone |
| 20:58.28 | jhutchins | saptech: Have you tried xsane? |
| 20:59.45 | saptech | jhutchins, using the flatbed, it will scan using xsane & simple-scan, nothing happens using the ADF. It scans an empty page but does not pull the document through to the scanner |
| 21:01.01 | saptech | the printer is connected using usb port |
| 21:01.12 | fly_agaric | i need basically a phone where I can safely disable everything which could track me like mobile internet and gsm so that the "phone" is basically a small client which does only connect via wifi |
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| 21:02.10 | fly_agaric | and I don't trust google and apple so basically a debian linux where I know how to permanently disable that crap |
| 21:02.41 | vvor | Does clonezilla take care of ssd Alignment when cloning HDD to SSD or is AOMEI better? |
| 21:02.55 | jhutchins | fly_agaric: I think what you need is a pad of paper and a pencil. Stamps and envelopes if you need to reach someone else. |
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| 21:03.34 | fly_agaric | my phone should behave like a good old fatclient |
| 21:03.54 | jhutchins | vvor: It depends on which tool you use. If you're actually concerned about alignment, format the target and do a file copy (rsync) instead of an image. |
| 21:04.03 | fly_agaric | only sip telephony |
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| 21:05.56 | trek00 | fly_agaric: may be you could search on the supported hardware list of LineageOS |
| 21:07.40 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.50 | trek00 | fly_agaric: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#samsung |
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| 21:09.15 | fly_agaric | i really don't like android better a phone with real debian on it. |
| 21:09.49 | nvz | personally I think there is a conspiracy at work.. cause there are 3 companies I know of that all have working open phones.. yet none of them are for sale cause the everyone that tries it gets hung up on passing govt regulations |
| 21:10.29 | nvz | and I dont like android either really but debian doesnt really have the kinds of UI and apps to do most things you'd wanna do on a phone |
| 21:10.51 | fly_agaric | I only want to browse the web and sip telephony |
| 21:10.52 | ahmed1hsn | Debian wiki is giving 403 forbidden error on my phone. |
| 21:11.00 | fly_agaric | no other apps |
| 21:11.07 | jhutchins | Emptional reactions to hardware and software are irrational. |
| 21:11.14 | trek00 | vvor: probably not, you should check via fdisk on the hdd to see if it is already aligned for ssd or not |
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| 21:12.02 | nvz | s/to hardware and software//g |
| 21:13.23 | vvor | trek00: I'm assuming it's not. That's why I asked. |
| 21:13.59 | trek00 | vvor: if it's not, may be it's better to create manually a partition aligned and the use dd to copy over the data |
| 21:14.09 | fly_agaric | jhutchins: does not have anything to do with emotional reactions i know that android is doing shit all around the world |
| 21:14.14 | BazookaTooth | fly_agaric: not gonna happen. only thing even remotely close is probably a small tablet with a stripped down netrunner installation |
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| 21:15.13 | nvz | if your concerns are due to folk talking about tracking recently.. thats not new, and its only possible because the devices can be activated remotely.. and its not a software thing.. |
| 21:15.26 | ahmed1hsn | I can't access Debian wiki due to 403 forbidden error, any solutions? |
| 21:15.41 | nvz | the phone company, emergency services, etc can turn your radios back on mremotely.. |
| 21:15.44 | trek00 | ahmed1hsn: which page? |
| 21:16.05 | nvz | because the PHONE part of it has baked in proprietary technology |
| 21:16.15 | ahmed1hsn | trek00: none of them, I tried many |
| 21:16.33 | trek00 | ahmed1hsn: i can surf it without issues |
| 21:16.39 | nvz | so basically what you're saying is you dont want the PHONE at all.. you just want an ipod touch kinda thing.. that has no baseband to begin with |
| 21:17.03 | vvor | trek00: jhutchins: Thanks, I'm aware of dd, rsync, cp options. And my question stands... :) |
| 21:17.14 | fly_agaric | well if its a blockbox why can't i take out the blackbox part of the phone? |
| 21:17.28 | fly_agaric | i mean not with software but with hardware |
| 21:17.43 | fly_agaric | then nothing can be remotely activated |
| 21:18.08 | ahmed1hsn | trekk00: maybe my ip is optionally blocked |
| 21:19.27 | nvz | fly_agaric: well I'm sure you can.. get a heat gun a guitar string.. after you seperate the glue binding your digitizer to your lcd, and get that all apart without breaking anything, then get out your surface mount soldering kit.. and look for the QFP that is the baseband processor... heh |
| 21:19.45 | greycat | !wiki403 |
| 21:19.46 | dpkg | If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/FAQ>. |
| 21:19.55 | nvz | and really these days the baseband is probably embedded in an SoC |
| 21:21.35 | ahmed1hsn | dpkg: won't they automatically reopen ip? |
| 21:21.36 | dpkg | ahmed1hsn: no idea |
| 21:22.24 | greycat | This is the answer we have. |
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| 21:24.28 | nvz | ahmed1hsn: in my experience they dont do thinkg automatically I had to email someone just to sign up |
| 21:24.58 | nvz | they seem to prefer manual control of that crap for w/e reason |
| 21:25.18 | loeken | ahmed1hsn try if you can find the page you're looking for on web.archive.org |
| 21:26.36 | ahmed1hsn | I downloaded .iso image of DVD1 few hours ago, before downloading everything was fine, and wiki blocked after it downloaded. |
| 21:27.58 | greycat | your IP address may have changed |
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| 21:31.03 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: What URL? |
| 21:32.06 | ahmed1hsn | jhutchins: for downloading .iso? |
| 21:32.26 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: What URL? |
| 21:32.52 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: I mean what URL are you getting a 403 on? |
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| 21:34.06 | Logg | do you guys trust btrfs yet in 2020 |
| 21:34.41 | ahmed1hsn | jhutchins: https://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 21:35.49 | nvz | that loads with and without vpn for me |
| 21:36.02 | greycat | !wiki403 |
| 21:36.03 | dpkg | If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/FAQ>. |
| 21:37.05 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: bit ironic that it links them to the Debian wiki for more information lol |
| 21:37.45 | greycat | There is no other place to send them. Yes, I know that the people affected can't see the message that tells them what to do. That's why I copied it into the bot factoid. |
| 21:40.17 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: Clean here as well. |
| 21:40.35 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: Try a different browser. |
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| 21:41.12 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: You could also cycle your network device if you have a dynamic external IP. |
| 21:41.48 | greycat | It's not the browser. |
| 21:41.51 | ahmed1hsn | Turns out the wifi device I'm using is somehow blocked, tried from different phone connected to same device, it's forbidden there as well |
| 21:42.13 | nvz | you can also use riseup-vpn its not in debian but there is a deb package available and the archive keyring for that package is in debian |
| 21:42.19 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: What about https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 21:42.28 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:42.40 | ahmed1hsn | I downloaded .iso few hours ago, I think that caused problem |
| 21:42.41 | greycat | Come one, I've triggered the god damned factoid TWICE now. |
| 21:42.53 | greycat | The wiki does not know what you downloaded. |
| 21:43.05 | ahmed1hsn | greycat: thanks, I've seen it |
| 21:43.07 | greycat | Your IP address changed to one that's on the blocked list. |
| 21:44.24 | jhutchins | ahmed1hsn: Basically you have two choices: Get a different external IP or get your existing IP un-blocked via email. |
| 21:44.49 | greycat | Or use a web-archive type thing, or a proxy on a (different) VPN/VPS ... |
| 21:45.06 | jhutchins | Or |
| 21:45.08 | BazookaTooth | or use the waybackmachine's cache |
| 21:45.13 | trek00 | tor! |
| 21:45.18 | jhutchins | just keep complaining here and see where that gets you. |
| 21:45.24 | BazookaTooth | lol |
| 21:45.31 | ahmed1hsn | lol |
| 21:45.35 | nvz | riseup-vpn isn't ideal, but its really simple |
| 21:45.45 | BazookaTooth | think we covered 'em all |
| 21:46.23 | nvz | https://riseup.net/en/vpn/linux#package-installation |
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| 23:02.01 | dragon2 | has anyone used Debian on an old mac? |
| 23:02.22 | dragon2 | does it handle driver issues well? |
| 23:10.08 | trek00 | dragon2: if you have issues, please write the error message or which device is not working |
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| 23:24.11 | sponix | https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 23:30.56 | JesusGod-Pope666 | Awesome! |
| 23:31.03 | JesusGod-Pope666 | Debian CrunchBang++ rocks |
| 23:33.01 | sney | crunchbang isn't debian, try #crunchbang |
| 23:33.15 | annadane | you're welcome to say it rocks, just don't ask questions about it here |
| 23:33.25 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 23:33.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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