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| 00:08.50 | gcosmin | Hi guys, has been sorted, I chosed a different Network Adapter |
| 00:09.04 | gcosmin | thanks for poiting out were the issue was |
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| 00:23.52 | gcosmin | :) I am back |
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| 00:33.44 | brieweb | I reinstalled Xen and I took a picture with my camera |
| 00:34.31 | brieweb | last thing Xen says when it boots is "Xen is relinquishing VGA console" |
| 00:34.55 | brieweb | and that's where disk activity stops. I tried using ssh to log in |
| 00:35.16 | brieweb | sponix, are you still around? |
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| 00:36.14 | sponix | brieweb: no |
| 00:36.31 | brieweb | oh, does that mean work day has ended? |
| 00:36.52 | sponix | brieweb: Well, it is 19:35 where I am :) |
| 00:37.26 | brieweb | oh, it is a 17:35 if I get that 24 hour time correct. |
| 00:37.52 | sponix | 19:35 would be 7:35 PM in normal person talk |
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| 00:38.09 | brieweb | ok, I got it correct. sounds like Chicago time |
| 00:38.19 | sponix | brieweb: Yes, that would be it |
| 00:38.32 | brieweb | I lived in Chicago |
| 00:38.37 | sponix | brieweb: anyway.. So Debian Linux itself loads, it is just Xen having troubles ? |
| 00:38.50 | brieweb | that is correct. |
| 00:39.15 | brieweb | last thing Xen says is relinquishing the VGA console and then "just goes away" |
| 00:39.27 | brieweb | and, I don't really have a serial console on this... |
| 00:39.40 | sponix | brieweb: install "inxi" and then run this: post the provided *LINK* from this terminal command: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 00:40.10 | sponix | brieweb: and if you haven't of course. Make sure virtualization is enabled in the UEFI/BIOS :) |
| 00:41.02 | brieweb | it probably isn't. are you saying boot into regular debian and run the command? |
| 00:41.31 | brieweb | I will check the virtualization too. brb |
| 00:41.42 | sponix | brieweb: okay |
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| 00:48.51 | brieweb | https://termbin.com/gjxl |
| 00:48.54 | brieweb | I had typed that |
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| 00:49.07 | brieweb | switching consoles |
| 00:50.27 | brieweb | I was booted into non-xen. I did check the bios and the virtualization is turned on |
| 00:50.41 | brieweb | secure boot off and uefi on |
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| 00:55.23 | brieweb | sponix, anything look interesting there/ |
| 00:55.25 | brieweb | ? |
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| 01:00.11 | brieweb | hmm, I wonder if I hit CTRL-a three times? |
| 01:02.50 | ChmEarl | sponix, grep -i efi /etc/fstab |
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| 01:22.40 | brieweb | hmm, looks like I lost sponix. I can try another reinstall without lvm? |
| 01:23.07 | brieweb | are there any other boot options to add for Xen boot? |
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| 01:45.02 | wsky | why the hell 1GB is not enough anymore to mount a luks volume? |
| 01:45.07 | wsky | 1GB of RAM |
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| 02:08.40 | brieweb | hmm, I just don't get the Xen on this machine. I will have to come back to it later |
| 02:14.32 | BalooRJ | I'm having an issue with running DOSBox in WINE in Debian that I'm curious to know if anyone else has come across |
| 02:14.57 | BalooRJ | when DOSBox captures my mouse, and I attempt to move it inside the emulator, the emulator stutters and skips while the mouse moves. When the mouse does not move, DOSBox works fine |
| 02:15.36 | somiaj | why are you running dosbox under wine? |
| 02:16.18 | BalooRJ | It is part of a specially configured way to play an old PC game from the 1990s that I have been unable to install properly in WINE by itself |
| 02:16.31 | somiaj | but why use dosbox in wine |
| 02:16.33 | somiaj | ,v dosbox |
| 02:16.34 | judd | Package: dosbox on amd64 -- jessie: 0.74-4; jessie-security: 0.74-4+deb8u1; stretch: 0.74-4.2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 0.74-4.2+deb9u2; buster: 0.74-2-3+deb10u1; buster-security: 0.74-2-3+deb10u1; bullseye: 0.74-3-1; sid: 0.74-3-1 |
| 02:16.38 | somiaj | dosbox has a native linux binary |
| 02:16.48 | BalooRJ | Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you. |
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| 02:29.23 | sponix | brieweb: yeah, we had family movie night. How are things ? |
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| 02:47.01 | BalooRJ | somaiaj - Thanks for the help, DOSBox works great natively. |
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| 02:49.44 | sponix | somiaj: you making friends again ? |
| 02:54.04 | somiaj | maybe best asked in #debian-offtopic. |
| 02:54.35 | somiaj | BalooRJ: good to hear, I was just intially confused why you were trying to run it in wine. |
| 02:55.01 | BalooRJ | I had gotten this MSI of someone who had previously configured all of the Carmen Sandiego games in a Windows 3.1 install in DOSBox |
| 02:55.42 | BalooRJ | Now if only I can figure out how they actually created shortcuts to already running instances of the games in Windows 3.1 in DOSBox. My next project.. |
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| 03:28.11 | CaptainShell | Is there a package on debian for libcurl-dev or such that gives header files? |
| 03:28.49 | sponix | CaptainShell: that most likely has includes for curl |
| 03:29.13 | CaptainShell | except that that package doesn't exist! |
| 03:29.31 | CaptainShell | libcurl4 exists |
| 03:29.48 | CaptainShell | find /usr/include -name '*curl*' shows nothing |
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| 03:41.22 | CaptainShell | Got it it was libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 03:42.06 | CaptainShell | Just didn't see it in the search results. And by the way, is there a way to make apt search just search package names an not the whole description and list of installed files? |
| 03:42.35 | somiaj | --names-only |
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| 03:46.23 | luna | Hello debian folk. I'm running into an issue of every time I have to upgrade, I get a "subprocess dpkg --set-selections received signal 9". Would anyone be familiar with why this might happen? |
| 03:47.02 | abff | spooky |
| 03:48.01 | Wulf | luna: out of memory? |
| 03:48.14 | Wulf | luna: check the kernel log |
| 03:48.30 | CaptainShell | thanks |
| 03:50.12 | luna | Ah, it looks like you might be right, Wulf. I am low on memory... |
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| 03:51.52 | luna | Yeah, syslog confirms it. Thank you, Wulf! |
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| 04:19.16 | brieweb | sponix, I have not yet had luck on the Xen on the system. I had to switch gears and finish writing the exam for the class I teach. I don't know if there is more debug output for Xen or if I can somehow wire up a serial port |
| 04:19.36 | brieweb | I did get a screen shot of the messages passing by. I can post it on my blog. |
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| 04:32.20 | sponix2ipfw | !proxmox |
| 04:32.20 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 04:33.12 | sponix2ipfw | brieweb: might check and see if Proxmox better fits your needs |
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| 04:53.17 | DasJournal | journalctl --since 00:00:00 is completely ignored, I'm only getting logs from about an hour ago regardless. A service has been making about 50 entries per second since then though, has that flushed my logs? |
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| 05:01.45 | DasJournal | Never mind. Looks like you need to fiddle to get rotated logs. |
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| 05:03.45 | brieweb | sponix2ipfw, Xen seems to have always worked for me... until now |
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| 05:05.03 | brieweb | I seem to recall before passing a parameter to Xen in boot. Yet, these things run for a long time and cobwebs collect all over the place |
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| 05:13.50 | sponix2ipfw | brieweb: I have to sleep now |
| 05:14.13 | karlpinc | DasJournal: There's some rate limiting going on. Or that's my guess. |
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| 05:20.48 | ratrace | DasJournal: yes, the journal has a size limit that you can configure, default being 4GB or 10-15% of the filesystem it's stored on, whichever is larger. |
| 05:24.40 | brieweb | sponix2ipfw, yes, I can imagine it is a little late! |
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| 10:00.41 | AndreasLutro | I have the following snippet saved for listing packages installed from non-stable repos: aptitude search -F "%p %v" "?narrow(?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))" -- however, I don't really want to install aptitude, so wondering if there are any alternatives to this command using apt, apt-cache, dpkg-query or similar? |
| 10:01.20 | Haohmaru | i use synaptic ;P~ |
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| 10:25.06 | themill | AndreasLutro: "apt list" with a suitable amount of grep, or apt-show-versions should be able to do it |
| 10:26.08 | Haohmaru | "suitable amount" is it like 2-3 buckets of grep arguments? ;P~ |
| 10:26.31 | Haohmaru | i'll never learn this sh*t |
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| 10:28.01 | themill | depends what you want to find out :) |
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| 10:28.42 | Haohmaru | the truth about existance of everything |
| 10:29.01 | themill | "apt list --installed | grep -v /stable" is probably enough. Note that apt in bullseye has new patterns that should let it do that more easily |
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| 10:29.42 | Haohmaru | imma stay with synaptic x_x |
| 10:29.46 | themill | "apt list --installed | grep '\[.*local.*\]'" for other things |
| 10:29.57 | themill | would not touch synaptic with a long pointy stick |
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| 10:30.06 | Haohmaru | why? |
| 10:30.17 | Haohmaru | it's usable |
| 10:30.24 | Haohmaru | if ur a simple guy like me |
| 10:30.35 | themill | it hasn't been for most of the last decade so I'm not going to try now |
| 10:30.51 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 10:31.36 | Haohmaru | well i'm using it since debian8 |
| 10:37.52 | Haohmaru | i had to use apt when upgrading from 9 to 10, and it was intense |
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| 10:41.03 | AndreasLutro | I'm good at grep-fu. didn't know that apt list --installed showed the component, that'll do. thanks themill |
| 10:41.55 | themill | it'll take a bit of looking at output to figure out what (completely undocumented) things are in that output |
| 10:42.20 | themill | "now" is a magic apt word for "not in any repo" |
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| 10:47.27 | AndreasLutro | that's fine, this is only for manual use, so just `grep -v /stable` works fine |
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| 10:57.41 | |san| | hello there, can I block ssh login brute force attempts otherwise than adding specific ip addresses in AllowUsers in ssh config? I mean, is this solution secure enough? |
| 10:58.30 | Haohmaru | deploys an ear |
| 10:59.07 | |san| | :) |
| 10:59.30 | wsky | |san|: fail2ban works ok |
| 11:00.11 | |san| | cool! |
| 11:00.23 | |san| | ill try that, haven't heard of that one before. |
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| 11:00.51 | wsky | worth using, deals with several attack vectors |
| 11:01.42 | |san| | alright...one of my boxes are being targeted non-stop...been going on for ages. |
| 11:01.52 | |san| | so i need the best setup |
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| 11:04.29 | Haohmaru | put police officer to inspect the successiful logins |
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| 11:26.50 | pitch | hey there, i am on debian buster running on a device without a hardware RTC. is there a simple possibility to write the time continiously to a file and loading this file while booting. in order to set the time before init. so the systemd status (and other services) will show correct runtimes. |
| 11:27.35 | Haohmaru | sounds like one of those single-board comput0rz |
| 11:27.40 | pitch | atm i am running for 50 years and 4 months |
| 11:27.50 | pitch | Haohmaru: it is |
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| 11:29.08 | pitch | its the orchestrator and monitor for a lot of other machines. |
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| 11:32.09 | laughingtiger | virtual machine with windows10 guest OS is killing me, I begin to suspect my computer is haunted. |
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| 11:32.32 | Haohmaru | hm? |
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| 11:34.34 | laughingtiger | first time I began with qemu-kvm, and I telephoned microsoft to activate it, I typed the command on my physical windows, it should be on the vm windows, but then after I actually activated my physical windows twice and logged into the vm windows, it was activated too ! then I thought hmm activating is easy, then when I changed to vmware or virtualbox, microsoft told me my version of windows is impossible to activate on two machines. |
| 11:35.47 | pingfloyd | laughingtiger: just change the device to match the vm through the microsoft account. |
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| 11:36.19 | laughingtiger | and today qemu-kvm windows install didn't let me setup the microsoft account instead it gave me the traditional account. |
| 11:36.47 | laughingtiger | pingfloyd, I know it was the reason, or way to activate, but idk how. |
| 11:37.44 | laughingtiger | and vmplayer freezes my debian several times, I had to press REISUB to reboot. |
| 11:38.33 | laughingtiger | and virtualbox won't let me change the windows screen resolution, it only gave me three or five resolutions. guys on virtualbox channel didn't know what the actually f* happened. |
| 11:39.26 | laughingtiger | I had to stay with physical crapdows for a while now. |
| 11:39.30 | laughingtiger | have to* |
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| 11:41.16 | Haohmaru | crapdows >:) |
| 11:41.31 | laughingtiger | and in the process, micro$oft has costed me about 1$ of my phone fee. and I've got nothing. |
| 11:42.06 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, well, it wasn't me who invented the word though. :D |
| 11:42.39 | Haohmaru | yeah, i guess it was me, and my wurd started a life of its own |
| 11:42.51 | laughingtiger | ha? lol |
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| 11:48.37 | pitch | and another issue. i want to enable and start a service. the error states the unit failed and is therefore not activated. i should see syslog or 'systemctl status FOO' for further details, but systemctl states there is no FOO status and sylog is afaiu completly taken over by systemd, right? |
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| 11:55.47 | laughingtiger | I only thought this is funny, and pls forgive some of the careless language mistakes I made. |
| 11:56.59 | Haohmaru | laughingtiger i was kidding, crapdows deserves its name (IMO) |
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| 11:58.29 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, lol. yeah it totally does. cheers. |
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| 11:59.24 | Haohmaru | what was the story, you're trying to run it in a vm just to run skype? |
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| 12:00.11 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, it was the software, some of them can't be "wined up". |
| 12:00.42 | laughingtiger | so yeah something like that. :D |
| 12:00.43 | Haohmaru | sure.. for many things there are alternatives for linux |
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| 12:01.08 | laughingtiger | I know but not in my case. |
| 12:02.13 | Haohmaru | if i'd have to run crapdows, i'd find some retired "gaming" crapputer from the trash and put crapdows on it |
| 12:02.26 | laughingtiger | lol |
| 12:02.44 | Haohmaru | or maybe not gaming grade cuz it's gonna be like a oven |
| 12:02.52 | Haohmaru | * an |
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| 12:08.35 | pitch | Windows is pretty much obligatory for gaming (this statement became less true over the past years) else there are plenty of alternatives. |
| 12:09.05 | Haohmaru | i don't care bout gaming but music x_x |
| 12:09.21 | otis | steam already works in debian |
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| 12:10.18 | Haohmaru | music sh*t is mostly crapdows and crAppleOS unfortunately |
| 12:10.19 | otis | valve steam |
| 12:10.33 | annadane | tell us how you really feel, Haohmaru |
| 12:10.43 | Haohmaru | sad, hopeless |
| 12:12.20 | Haohmaru | i've (unfortunately) made my own music related tools.. for win32, over a bunch of years |
| 12:12.47 | Haohmaru | now i wanna get rid of crapdows, but this one thing keeps me tied |
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| 12:14.21 | Haohmaru | i'm thinking to give it a try, there's maybe one option that might work on linux, if it does, imma have to reinvent my toolz but perhaps that's a good price to pay for ditching the crapdows crap |
| 12:15.16 | shinobi_ | After installing Deb 10, my wifi is not recognized. How do I troubleshoot and correct this? |
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| 12:18.27 | dvs | shinobi_, What chipset if your WiFi? |
| 12:18.49 | dvs | *is |
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| 12:22.06 | shinobi_ | dvs: How can I find that out? |
| 12:22.19 | shinobi_ | I have an x570 taichi |
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| 12:23.35 | dvs | shinobi_, lspci -nn | grep -i wireless |
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| 12:27.14 | shinobi_ | dvs: nothing |
| 12:27.18 | laughingtiger | network is becoming unstable. I love you. see you. |
| 12:28.54 | dvs | shinobi_, then install the firmware-linux-nonfree package to get all the firmware. |
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| 12:32.51 | shinobi_ | dvs: done |
| 12:33.07 | dvs | shinobi_, now reboot and see if it works. |
| 12:33.52 | shinobi_ | dvs: I noticed there's a firmware-nonfree and a firmware-linux-nonfree. What is the difference? |
| 12:34.27 | dvs | shinobi_, I don't see a firmware-nonfreee package |
| 12:35.48 | shinobi_ | dvs: https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/firmware-nonfree |
| 12:36.36 | dvs | shinobi_, That's a source package |
| 12:37.03 | shinobi_ | dvs: rebooting had no effect |
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| 12:38.30 | dvs | shinobi_, paste the output of "ip link" to paste.debian.net |
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| 12:44.47 | |san| | wsky: well that fail2ban seems pretty efficient... |
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| 12:45.07 | wsky | glad to hear that |
| 12:45.23 | |san| | wsky: journalctl -xe is showing a stop to the attempts... :-) |
| 12:46.00 | |san| | at least for the majority of them |
| 12:46.08 | wsky | these bots will still try to do that, no matter what, even if they get banned |
| 12:46.13 | |san| | i increased the bantime though |
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| 12:46.35 | |san| | yeah i think u are right |
| 12:46.57 | |san| | the sucker probably got a lot of ips |
| 12:47.06 | wsky | that's a botnet |
| 12:47.25 | wsky | i assure you _every_ server deals with them |
| 12:47.28 | |san| | probably wants root... |
| 12:47.30 | |san| | :) |
| 12:47.31 | |san| | yeah |
| 12:48.02 | wsky | they scan the whole internet for open ssh ports and do dictionary attacks on them |
| 12:48.16 | wsky | it was going from since i remember |
| 12:48.26 | annadane | you mean DebianRulez isn't a good password?? |
| 12:48.27 | wsky | apparently pays off |
| 12:48.31 | |san| | heh yeah |
| 12:48.46 | dvs | changes his password |
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| 12:50.16 | wsky | $ grep Ban /var/log/fail2ban.log | wc -l |
| 12:50.16 | wsky | 475 |
| 12:50.36 | wsky | that's a small amount of bans, it used to go in thousands |
| 12:50.47 | Haohmaru | dvs hunter3? |
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| 12:51.29 | |san| | sudo grep Ban /var/log/fail2ban.log | wc -l |
| 12:51.29 | |san| | 62 |
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| 12:51.37 | |san| | this is for 5 minutes |
| 12:51.51 | |san| | so i guess it will be much more very soon |
| 12:52.09 | dvs | I'm guessing that's network wide |
| 12:52.12 | wsky | yeah, i think some botnets detargeted me, they decided this attack vector on my server is impossible |
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| 12:52.45 | wsky | usually it kept around 3.5k bans |
| 12:52.50 | |san| | damn |
| 12:52.55 | |san| | what was your bantime? |
| 12:53.00 | wsky | i ban them for an hour i think |
| 12:53.05 | wsky | let me check |
| 12:53.06 | |san| | ok |
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| 12:53.23 | jaami | what debian based smallest distro is persistent and installed on USB with multiple partitions? |
| 12:53.48 | dvs | Debian? |
| 12:54.13 | dvs | never gets the idea that installing to a USB drive is a good thing. |
| 12:54.17 | wsky | |san|: i;ve increased it to 24h apparently |
| 12:54.35 | |san| | alright, i set mine a bit high probably then...set it to 138 hours, heh :D |
| 12:54.57 | jaami | dvs my laptop has no drive and its older. |
| 12:54.59 | Haohmaru | dvs maybe as an emergency OS? ;P~ |
| 12:55.08 | wsky | jaami: read about debootstrap |
| 12:55.20 | jaami | i do need some space to copy files from one system to another |
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| 12:55.26 | dvs | O_O no drive?!? |
| 12:56.07 | jaami | i mean no HDD |
| 12:56.10 | shinobi_ | dvs: paste.debian.net/1146322/ |
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| 12:57.49 | dvs | shinobi_, try running (as root or with sudo): iwlist enp7s0 scan |
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| 13:01.15 | jaami | debootstrap require debian i guess but my objective is to boot any system from my USB with multiple partitions. |
| 13:02.05 | jaami | i have bodhi on usb but i could not find way to make things persistence |
| 13:02.35 | jaami | i decided to get rid of bodhi and use some other distro with peristent |
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| 13:05.51 | jaami | burning OS to a perticular partition on USB depends on ISO or the tool that is used to burn the USB? |
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| 13:07.14 | shinobi_ | dvs: enp7s0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 13:08.22 | dvs | shinobi_, Looks like your WiFi isn't supported at all. The only other thing I can think of is to use a backported kernel. |
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| 13:09.43 | jaami | i am in a hurry. i will try and check back later for help. |
| 13:11.26 | shinobi_ | dvs: are backported kernels stable? |
| 13:11.39 | abrotman | entirely subjective |
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| 13:12.04 | dvs | shinobi_, they change so often |
| 13:14.46 | annadane | it's basically the latest testing kernel |
| 13:14.48 | jmcnaught | shinobi_: enp7s0 is an ethernet interface, not a wifi interface |
| 13:15.01 | annadane | so not stable as in never changing |
| 13:15.21 | annadane | but things in backports are pretty well vetted i'd imagine so sure, stable as in generally not breaking |
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| 13:19.06 | joepublic | "well vetted" = "compiled without errors" ? :) |
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| 13:20.44 | annadane | that may be a condition to enter testing in the first place, so yes |
| 13:20.51 | dvs | well vetted as in "doesn't crash when running" |
| 13:20.56 | annadane | things that are unbuildable tend not to migrate from sid |
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| 13:23.14 | annadane | in fact i'm pretty sure the process is automated by the builders |
| 13:28.07 | joepublic | all kernels in backports are going to be those marked as stable by upstream, even though they are not part of debian stable. |
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| 13:48.54 | ztester | This question is a bit off topic for Debian specifically, but I figured you all might know the best answer. Does anyone know of a vps or server provider that allows you to attach a large amount of ip addresses to an instance |
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| 14:07.40 | huhu15 | does anyone know why my login through putty does not work ? |
| 14:07.59 | jelly | how does it fail? |
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| 14:08.11 | huhu15 | the password does not work |
| 14:08.35 | greycat | does it work from *other* ssh clients, like "ssh localhost" from the Debian box? |
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| 14:08.45 | huhu15 | even created a new user and that user can't login either through putty |
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| 14:09.38 | huhu15 | i have not tried it, I'm not used to linux, I just use a raspberry pi with debian as samba server |
| 14:11.02 | huhu15 | so, the error message after entering the password is : Access denied |
| 14:11.06 | jelly | ztester, use the alis bot to find a hosting related channel and ask there. /msg alis help ; /msg alis list hosting ; /msg alis list lowend |
| 14:11.29 | jelly | huhu15, look at /var/log/auth.log and see whether a) your attempts are reaching the correct machine and b) whether it's really due to incorrect auth or there's some other error |
| 14:12.20 | huhu15 | I'll have a look, 1 min |
| 14:12.37 | jelly | Access denied is not "Authentication failed", it's more "auth succeeded but some other piece of policy of configuration is preventing log in for this particular user" |
| 14:13.21 | jelly | if you have a raspberry ip you're probably running raspbian on it, not actual debian |
| 14:13.37 | jelly | so in case my guess wrt OS is right, |
| 14:13.39 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 14:13.39 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:15.04 | huhu15 | It has to do with AllowGroups, my user not is in a group allowed to access as it seems |
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| 14:15.11 | Rico | hello |
| 14:15.54 | jelly | huhu15, that sounds like a customized sshd configuration. |
| 14:16.09 | huhu15 | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 14:16.35 | jelly | yes. Debian does not use AllowGroups at all in there, you'd have to have added it on your own |
| 14:16.49 | jelly | there's just a commented out example |
| 14:16.52 | Rico | can anybody help me with preseed ? I can't make it work. I'm using netinst debian 10 iso, I set "url=preseed" in installer line. I have a dhcp on my LAN, which priovides an IP address and a DNS name (dom.tld) to my new installed server. a preseed file is reachable at http://preseed.dom.tld/d-i/stretch/./preseed.cfg |
| 14:17.02 | Rico | but install does not try to get it |
| 14:17.23 | huhu15 | until few seconds ago I didn't even know about that :) I didn't do anything with ssh until now |
| 14:17.58 | jelly | huhu15, which brings me to, are you actually using raspbian perhaps? |
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| 14:21.33 | huhu15 | jelly, it could be, I followed a tutorial some months ago how to setup openmediavault |
| 14:21.53 | jim | hi all... got a problem booting... the background is, I bought a larger drive for my laptop, and when it arrived, I cloned the original internal drive to it. I;m using LVM, and the vg names are different on each drive. I'm trying to get everything involved in booting pointed at the new drive rather than the original, which apparantly something still remains that way... what am I missing? what other info do you need? |
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| 14:31.35 | Zesk | Hello, I was wondered about DSA-4682-1 about squid security updates. I saw fixed has come for debian 10 but will it be the case for jessie et stretch? Should I wait or upgrade my squid to deb10? |
| 14:32.13 | greycat | oldstable (stretch) will likely also receive a fix... jessie, less likely |
| 14:34.56 | Zesk | ok, if i wait enough time, there will be an available update. In any case I should jump to the current LTS for my squid ^^. Thnaks for the answer |
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| 14:35.36 | greycat | You *cannot* install a package from Debian 10 on Debian 9. It's not even an option. And you do not appear to be using the acronym LTS correctly. |
| 14:35.45 | greycat | !lts |
| 14:35.45 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:36.04 | greycat | !jessie-lts |
| 14:36.04 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 14:36.34 | greycat | Ah, we're right at the end of jessie LTS support, so jessie might actually receive a fix. Probably/maybe. |
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| 14:38.40 | myrealname | jelly, adding the user to the group "ssh" with usermod worked, thanks for the hint with the auth log |
| 14:38.59 | greycat | So you're getting Raspbian support here now? Gods damn it. |
| 14:39.33 | myrealname | I already switched to the raspberry channel, don't worry |
| 14:40.20 | cybercrypto | :-) |
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| 14:42.58 | pwnd_nsfw | lmao |
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| 14:46.09 | Zesk | greycat : Thanks a lot for the information! |
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| 14:57.18 | jim | I'm gonna try to build a chroot, including bind mounts of /sys /proc /dev /dev/pts then see what happens when I try to make the config |
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| 14:57.33 | jim | (see my earlier question for context) |
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| 14:59.06 | b1ack0p | where is mpv.config located? |
| 14:59.09 | b1ack0p | directory? |
| 14:59.43 | greycat | unicorn:~$ locate mpv.conf |
| 14:59.44 | greycat | /usr/share/doc/mpv/mpv.conf.gz |
| 14:59.44 | greycat | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mpv.conffiles |
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| 15:01.35 | ratrace | ooh someone's secretly running updatedb |
| 15:02.43 | nlpqda | How's it possible to view list of available drivers to be Re/loaded by modprobe? |
| 15:02.56 | b1ack0p | it is in /home/user/.config/mpv/mpv.conf |
| 15:03.12 | somiaj | nlpqda: in what use case are you needing to realod modules? |
| 15:03.33 | somiaj | b1ack0p: depends on if you rea talking about system defaults, or user overrides |
| 15:03.43 | somiaj | there is probably on in /etc too for local overrides |
| 15:03.54 | greycat | nlpqda: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '*.ko' |
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| 15:04.45 | nlpqda | somiaj: yes .. It seems buster not able to reload the sound card driver after each reboot |
| 15:05.23 | b1ack0p | user override it seems |
| 15:05.30 | b1ack0p | how can i check yt-dl version? |
| 15:05.38 | somiaj | that sounds odd, is it not loading the module in the first place? Do you have somethign like tmidity taking over the sound card at boot causing sound to not work? |
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| 15:05.43 | somiaj | ,v youtube-dl |
| 15:05.45 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; bullseye: 2020.03.24-1; sid: 2020.03.24-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2020.05.08-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2020.05.08-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2020.05.08-dmo1 |
| 15:05.45 | greycat | youtube-dl --version |
| 15:05.56 | somiaj | b1ack0p: though in general the debian one often gets out of date due to youtube constntally changing |
| 15:07.18 | b1ack0p | thanks |
| 15:07.36 | b1ack0p | somiaj: yea i removed it and installed latest version |
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| 15:09.17 | b1ack0p | how can i change host name? |
| 15:09.20 | b1ack0p | machine name |
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| 15:09.40 | b1ack0p | and system clock doesnt show correct on irssi |
| 15:09.41 | nlpqda | somiaj: I don't what "tmidity taking" is! but someone help me here the last time reloading the sound card driver |
| 15:09.49 | greycat | edit /etc/hostname and also any other files where your hostname appears, and reboot |
| 15:09.49 | nlpqda | I forgot what module that was |
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| 15:10.07 | greycat | (hint: /etc/hosts would be a likely one) |
| 15:10.24 | somiaj | nlpqda: I'm just saying there is probably some other issue that you should track down, and reloading the module doesn't sound like the proper way to fix the problem of not having sound at boot |
| 15:10.24 | greycat | consider also MTA configuration, web server virtual host configurations, etc. |
| 15:11.42 | BalooRJ | Hello all |
| 15:11.45 | nlpqda | somiaj: that is true, however I need to sound now as the first step then figure out how to fix to reboot problem |
| 15:12.33 | SerajewelKS | (re-asking) i've tried using kexec to reboot a server (kexec -l --reuse-cmdline --initrd /boot/initrd... /boot/vmlinuz... && systemctl kexec) and it works on the first reboot (system comes back up) but on the second it does not and hangs indefinitely. this is on an AWS EC2 server. has anyone else experienced this kind of weirdness with kexec? this is with 4.19.0-9-cloud-amd64 |
| 15:12.40 | nlpqda | the sound card doesn't appear from alsamixer |
| 15:13.00 | b1ack0p | thanks greycat |
| 15:13.19 | b1ack0p | well on irssi it doesnt show correct time how can i change it? |
| 15:13.20 | BalooRJ | Two quick questions if anyone can answer: Is there a GUI program that can edit fstab? I have a Windows share that I want to automate mounting on startup. Gigolo doesn't work in this regard because Thunar has an issue with writing files to SMB1 shares. So I'm currently using the "sudo mount" command to mount this samba share. Second, is there an equivalent to Gnome-disk-utility package for XFCE desktops? Thanks. |
| 15:13.25 | b1ack0p | is it irssi or system related? |
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| 15:13.43 | b1ack0p | on xfce i set my location time but system doesnt recognise it i guess |
| 15:13.46 | greycat | run "date". does "date" show the correct time? |
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| 15:14.04 | somiaj | BalooRJ: any gui editior can be used if you run it as root, though it is best to not run gui things s root. |
| 15:15.06 | BalooRJ | somaij: Yeah, my stomach always turns when I attempt to edit a file like fstab or sources.list in nano or thunar mousepad, prefer the tailored GUI programs for those kinds of things so I don't break anything mistakenly |
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| 15:15.41 | BalooRJ | A program like software-properties-gtk, but for the fstab file. If not, I may just edit the file itself in nano then |
| 15:15.49 | b1ack0p | greycat: nope |
| 15:16.09 | nlpqda | sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel fixed the sound playback problem |
| 15:16.14 | greycat | Then it's not an irssi issue. Are you using ntp? Which implementation? Is your local timezone set correctly? |
| 15:16.19 | joepublic | does it show a time that is correct somewhere in the world? |
| 15:16.45 | b1ack0p | greycat: ah i remember. since i am using system language english i didnt set it correct while installing debian |
| 15:16.54 | b1ack0p | it was set US |
| 15:16.57 | somiaj | BalooRJ: Get use to editing text config files, one shouldn't need a special editor for each and every config file on your system. |
| 15:17.14 | greycat | !tz |
| 15:17.15 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 15:17.33 | jhutchins | BalooRJ: Far better to get comfortable with the text console for root tasks. |
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| 15:18.02 | BalooRJ | somiaj, jhutchins - Fair advice, thanks. I'll give it a go. |
| 15:18.21 | b1ack0p | test |
| 15:18.25 | b1ack0p | thanks! |
| 15:18.33 | karlpinc | BalooRJ: While you're at it, don't forget to leave comments in the config files to say _why_ you did what you did. |
| 15:18.33 | b1ack0p | it shows correct time now lol |
| 15:18.43 | b1ack0p | 11:18:02< BalooRJ> somiaj, jhutchins - Fair advice, thanks. I'll give it a go. |
| 15:18.43 | b1ack0p | 18:18:21< b1ack0p> test |
| 15:18.43 | b1ack0p | 18:18:25< b1ack0p> thanks! |
| 15:18.50 | b1ack0p | 7hrs between |
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| 15:21.52 | jhutchins | : http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php |
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| 15:26.45 | greycat | b1ack0p: (1) run 'date -u' and see if that gives you the correct UTC time. If it does, your system clock is OK and it's just your local timezone that's not. Fix your local timezone as dpkg instructed. |
| 15:27.37 | greycat | b1ack0p: (2) run 'date' with no arguments to see the time translated into your local timezone. ACTUALLY LOOK AT the output. It will include a string that is supposed to represent your local timezone. If that string doesn't look correct, it's another sign that your local timezone is set incorrectly. |
| 15:28.40 | greycat | If 'date -u' gives you the wrong UTC time, then it means your system clock is wrong, and you'll need to correct that. The preferred way to correct your system clock is to run an NTP daemon, which will synchronize it with sources on the Internet, and keep it synced. |
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| 15:29.07 | greycat | You may not be able to run NTP if you are not a "real" computer installation -- e.g. if you're on a VPS, or if you're the guest in a virtual machine arrangement. |
| 15:29.30 | greycat | In those cases, contact your hosting provider or system administrator. |
| 15:29.34 | graphicsv | Any idea why chromium doesn't detect my virtual webcam? It's just ridiculous. I'm using v4l* libs and I can actually use it just fine in Firefox. But it doesn't work in Opera nor Chrome or any variant of Chromium |
| 15:29.45 | graphicsv | Why my message went like that? That's weird |
| 15:30.49 | pwnd_nsfw | Too much text for one message |
| 15:30.53 | pwnd_nsfw | jk idk |
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| 15:31.06 | b1ack0p | greycat: date -u didnt give correct time but "date" giving |
| 15:31.27 | b1ack0p | you mean should i set bios clock? |
| 15:31.49 | greycat | What does date -u actually *say*? |
| 15:31.58 | greycat | Why are you making this so freaking hard? |
| 15:32.18 | greycat | unicorn:~$ date -u |
| 15:32.18 | greycat | Tue May 12 15:32:15 UTC 2020 |
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| 15:34.05 | graphicsv | Tue 12 May 2020 03:34:04 PM UTC |
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| 15:39.25 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: why does yours say 15:30 like it should. But mine days 03:30 PM ? |
| 15:39.40 | greycat | Different locales. |
| 15:39.55 | sponix2ipfw | hmm |
| 15:40.07 | myrealname | there are countries using 24h format |
| 15:40.10 | myrealname | like Germany |
| 15:40.17 | sponix2ipfw | Does my rig not know I was in the Military for over 15 years ? |
| 15:40.25 | greycat | there are also users who did export LC_TIME=C |
| 15:42.02 | b1ack0p | $ date -u |
| 15:42.03 | b1ack0p | Tue 12 May 2020 03:30:36 PM UTC |
| 15:42.12 | b1ack0p | date |
| 15:42.14 | b1ack0p | Tue 12 May 2020 06:31:04 PM +03 |
| 15:42.18 | b1ack0p | 11 mins ago |
| 15:42.46 | b1ack0p | sorry i was afk |
| 15:43.14 | greycat | So, date -u's output looks correct, or at least close enough. If "+03" is not a correct representation for your local timezone, then see what dpkg said about configuring your local timezone. |
| 15:43.16 | b1ack0p | this is the correct time : |
| 15:43.17 | b1ack0p | $ date |
| 15:43.18 | b1ack0p | Tue 12 May 2020 06:42:59 PM +03 |
| 15:43.24 | greycat | So everything is happy now? |
| 15:43.37 | b1ack0p | greycat: no date -u showing -3 |
| 15:43.46 | greycat | date -u shows the UTC time |
| 15:43.47 | greycat | !utc |
| 15:43.47 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 15:44.01 | b1ack0p | shouldnt they be same? |
| 15:44.07 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 15:44.15 | greycat | Not for most people. |
| 15:44.22 | b1ack0p | ook |
| 15:44.36 | b1ack0p | so date -u shows universal time while date shows local time? |
| 15:44.45 | greycat | The whole point of UTC is that it's a single universal time for the entire planet, independent of where on the planet you happen to be. |
| 15:44.50 | b1ack0p | where is UTC anyway? greenwich ? |
| 15:45.01 | b1ack0p | ook got it now |
| 15:45.10 | b1ack0p | UTC is the standard time for earth |
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| 15:47.29 | n-iCe | guys, does 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59) |
| 15:47.34 | n-iCe | needs non-free firmware? |
| 15:48.23 | SerajewelKS | if it does usually you'll see a message in the kernel log about it |
| 15:48.37 | greycat | dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 15:49.00 | n-iCe | SerajewelKS: I'm asking to know if I should download non-free CD or normal CD to install Debian. |
| 15:49.15 | n-iCe | [ 2.621096] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: loaded firmware version 29.1654887522.0 op_mode iwlmvm |
| 15:49.35 | SerajewelKS | are you not currently running debian? |
| 15:49.53 | greycat | !iwlwifi |
| 15:49.53 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 15:50.10 | n-iCe | SerajewelKS: not yet |
| 15:50.33 | n-iCe | greycat: ok, so yes, thank you! |
| 15:54.03 | cybercrypto | !irssi |
| 15:54.03 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:02.58 | Akuw_ | "find -mtime +2" search for files tow hours ago? |
| 16:03.03 | Akuw_ | or 2 days? |
| 16:03.08 | Akuw_ | i am confused with that |
| 16:03.31 | ratrace | manpage says n*24 hours ago for mtime |
| 16:04.21 | Akuw_ | then that means 48 hours in my case |
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| 16:05.07 | ratrace | or more, with + modifier |
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| 16:09.52 | SerajewelKS | no, + means > |
| 16:09.58 | SerajewelKS | not >= |
| 16:10.13 | SerajewelKS | so "find -mtime +2" finds files that were modified at least 3 days ago |
| 16:11.11 | SerajewelKS | note that fractional days are not considered (they are rounded towards zero) |
| 16:11.27 | greycat | the rounding is also a weird thing. the actual test is "n > 2" where n is calculated by subtracting the timestamps, dividing by 86400 or whatever, and truncating |
| 16:11.43 | greycat | *nod* SerajewelKS is on the same page I am |
| 16:11.58 | SerajewelKS | yep. it takes some getting used to. |
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| 16:12.54 | greycat | The most important thing is you shouldn't *care* so hard. If your backup script uses -mtime +30 -delete, and it actually only deletes things that are 29 days old, or 31 days old, who cares. |
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| 16:13.18 | ratrace | right +n is "greater than" |
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| 16:13.50 | ratrace | greycat: my OCD would :) |
| 16:14.16 | chmykh | Hello dear Debian users! I need help as newbie. 1. I have just installed Debian with GNOME DE. How to exclude terminal app from utitilties folder? I can't just drag-n-drop it. |
| 16:15.22 | joepublic | alacarte might be able to do it |
| 16:15.51 | cybercrypto | chmykh: rigth click on it, remove from favorite. (is you using default dock or custom gnome-shell? |
| 16:16.55 | chmykh | cybercrypto: I mean other menu. GNOME have 'show apps' button, so i see frequently apps and all apps. All apps containing subfolder. |
| 16:17.15 | chmykh | Subfolder containing system monitor, terminal, etc. |
| 16:17.21 | cybercrypto | chmykh: I see, sorry.. i misunsderstood you. |
| 16:17.37 | chmykh | I'd like to move it to all app grid instead utilities subfolder. |
| 16:17.59 | ratrace | iirc you'd need to change the category in its .desktop launcher |
| 16:18.00 | chmykh | cybercrypto: it is my fault - I am bad with english. |
| 16:19.43 | chmykh | ratrace: thank you. |
| 16:19.55 | chmykh | I think I got it - GNOME in debian is a bit outdated. |
| 16:20.02 | cybercrypto | chmykh: I have to think if gnome version in debian already offers drag and drop... i believe not (you may see it in ubuntu based i beleive) |
| 16:20.20 | chmykh | Got it. |
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| 16:39.58 | n-iCe | Ok, I'm in Debian, thank you guys. |
| 16:41.53 | vlt | n-iCe: You’re welcome. |
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| 16:42.34 | n-iCe | I'm trying to use: dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb |
| 16:42.55 | n-iCe | but I'm getting this NOTA: El PATH de root deberÃÂa incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin y /sbin. |
| 16:43.03 | n-iCe | path should include those, what's going on? |
| 16:43.10 | greycat | !buster su |
| 16:43.10 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 16:44.22 | n-iCe | oh, ok, thanks |
| 16:44.37 | otis | n-iCe: see, local in a system with many users? |
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| 16:46.42 | otis | my bad, i think i got it wrong |
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| 16:51.28 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:52.21 | n-iCe | guys, I installed chrome, but when I look for it it has no icon, any idea why? |
| 16:52.41 | petn-randall | n-iCe: How did you install it? |
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| 16:56.01 | n-iCe | petn-randall: dpkg - i *.deb |
| 16:56.20 | greycat | where did you get this .deb file? |
| 16:56.27 | n-iCe | google chrome site |
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| 16:57.59 | greycat | so it's actually google-chrome-stable? |
| 16:58.11 | n-iCe | I Guess |
| 16:58.21 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: .deb package from google, it is recommended that you sudo apt install ./file_downloaded.deb (instead of dpkg) |
| 16:58.25 | n-iCe | I download from here, https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiIkt_F5a7pAhUQPa0GHfbjAHIYABABGgJwdg&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2WyxEMRDC3glxjIzXs6Gu5FnwmyJenituctvKuytQZKTzv6SaXjc3XyjC5JHdXJIwRYbLYTk8JEABAO0JqBU&sig=AOD64_28rv67RLK71_OvBKrkC9CyX5JvSA&adurl=&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjSxtbF5a7pAhWeITQIHQQGAqIQqyQoAHoECBwQBw |
| 16:58.37 | n-iCe | cybercrypto: oh, did not know that |
| 16:58.41 | petn-randall | n-iCe: Maybe they didn't ship an icon, you should check with their support. |
| 16:58.58 | n-iCe | cybercrypto: can I Just reinstall? |
| 16:58.59 | greycat | google-chrome-stable includes some .xpm and .png files in /opt/google/chrome/ but I have no idea which one(s), if any, are "icons" |
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| 16:59.06 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: if you do using apt, the package manager will handle the repository for you and icons. |
| 16:59.59 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: it also converts from 'file' towards google-chrome-stable automatically. |
| 17:00.01 | n-iCe | done, apt --fix-broken install fixed the icon issue. |
| 17:00.04 | n-iCe | thanks cybercrypto |
| 17:01.02 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: well... is ok for you to remove exactly to the point before you used dpkg? remove it first and then try installing using apt. |
| 17:01.44 | petn-randall | Should have the same result as `apt install -f`, though that isn't as elegant. |
| 17:01.49 | n-iCe | I tried just apt install ./file.deb, it told me to use apt --fix-broken install ,and it fixed it. |
| 17:02.12 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: i use chrome myself, for few corporate mandatory compliances, so i did intalled in the same way and it is auto-updated via offical google repo. |
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| 17:03.59 | cybercrypto | if you dont want google repo, type: # touch /etc/default/google-chrome" |
| 17:04.09 | n-iCe | is ok now, thanks. |
| 17:04.16 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: correct, thanks. |
| 17:04.25 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: It does so because it ships a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, it's irrelevant how you installed it. |
| 17:04.27 | n-iCe | Long time since I used Debian, things have changed. |
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| 17:04.44 | petn-randall | Well, at least for the update feature. |
| 17:04.48 | n-iCe | I was stuck in xubuntu, because was a familiar pc, but now I bought my own laptop and installed Debian |
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| 17:05.09 | mesaboogie | n-iCe: welcome aboard |
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| 17:05.22 | _Fremen_ | Hello everyone |
| 17:05.23 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 17:05.32 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: did it worked? |
| 17:05.49 | _Fremen_ | is this good practice for system update or does it need modification? https://paste.debian.net/1146383/ |
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| 17:06.42 | petn-randall | _Fremen_: #9 and #11 are only needed if you actually break something. |
| 17:07.15 | mesaboogie | _Fremen_: and purge will get your config files |
| 17:07.24 | petn-randall | _Fremen_: #7 only makes sense if you also want to remove any config files from removed packages. You can purge instead of remove the package to do that in one step. |
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| 17:07.44 | cybercrypto | _Fremen_: I use this single line, one in a while and it is more than enough: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt auto-remove -y |
| 17:07.49 | petn-randall | Also if you want to autoremove packages is a matter of personal opinion. I don't run it regularly. |
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| 17:08.09 | cybercrypto | _Fremen_: I only dig deeper in case of problems... (and thats really rare) |
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| 17:08.53 | _Fremen_ | petn-randall, I just wanted to create a security build in, because I use debian testing, if something is broke after update fix it. |
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| 17:09.29 | _Fremen_ | mesaboogie, yes thats the intention, remove residual config files of removed or deleted pachages, to protect system? |
| 17:09.48 | _Fremen_ | petn-randall, is there an auto-purge? |
| 17:09.58 | n-iCe | yeah |
| 17:10.08 | n-iCe | long time ago, I told you haha cybercrypto |
| 17:10.11 | n-iCe | icon is ok now |
| 17:10.16 | _Fremen_ | cybercrypto, sorry I dont know "-y" option |
| 17:10.43 | _Fremen_ | cybercrypto, I just wanted to implement simple autofix feature. Is this enough? |
| 17:10.43 | cybercrypto | _Fremen_: Dont know, or did not know? |
| 17:11.00 | _Fremen_ | cybercrypto, let me google it :) |
| 17:11.23 | mesaboogie | _Fremen_: assumes YES at each prompt for non-interactive purposes. |
| 17:11.41 | mesaboogie | -y ^^^ |
| 17:11.48 | cybercrypto | _Fremen_: -y is an option to work non-interactive, in short, it will answer Yes to all questions. |
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| 17:13.22 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: Ok. |
| 17:13.28 | _Fremen_ | cybercrypto, oh thanks. Again, I would like to approve it myself and what is it installing so it is against my design. |
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| 17:13.51 | _Fremen_ | should I add any more "fix it if it is broken" commands or checks? |
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| 17:15.43 | _Fremen_ | should I change "sudo apt autoremove" to "sudo apt autoremove --purge" to delete config files as well? |
| 17:16.09 | cybercrypto | _Fremen_: I do not use testing, sorry.. i cannot comment on that. If the server needs stabillity, please consider using debian stable instead. |
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| 17:18.12 | _Fremen_ | cybercrypto, ok thanks very much :) |
| 17:18.24 | _Fremen_ | I will be going to testing channel, have a nice day |
| 17:18.40 | cybercrypto | _Fremen_: you are most welcome. |
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| 17:24.13 | Akuw_ | find / -name '*.tgz' -mtime +180 --> find files older than 180 days ? |
| 17:24.30 | jaami | web browser hangs up my system when full screen video is started. i need to know how i can kill a process taking cpu power for more than 10 seconds. can someone tell me how automatically a process is killed? |
| 17:24.55 | Akuw_ | cron |
| 17:25.56 | jaami | i am reading . thanks a lot |
| 17:26.40 | cybercrypto | jaami: what do you want to achieve? |
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| 17:28.26 | jaami | cybercrypto, thank you for asking. i want a process killed automatically that takes more than 50% of cpu for more than 10 seconds |
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| 17:29.48 | cybercrypto | jaami: when that criteria meets, you want to kill that PID. note that criteria not always will show a true problem. process can take more cpu time than that and thats normal. |
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| 17:30.26 | Akuw_ | 180 days right? |
| 17:30.32 | cybercrypto | jaami: you may start digging with ps command (elapse time and some other parameters) |
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| 17:32.03 | otis | can i install ssh server and allow only remote acess to root account? |
| 17:32.54 | abrotman | man sshd_config, yes |
| 17:33.19 | otis | thanks |
| 17:35.14 | Brigo | any tips why my bios is saying i have a 2G memory stick installed but linux tells me i have 4G? |
| 17:37.16 | ksk | Brigo: what does "free -m" say (the line starting with "Mem:"? |
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| 17:38.35 | Brigo | ksk, Mem: 1991 1312 154 155 524 370 |
| 17:38.53 | Brigo | ksk, more insteresting dmidecode tells there is 4G installed |
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| 17:39.15 | ksk | !paste |
| 17:39.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:39.27 | ksk | Brigo: can you paste the dmidecode regarding memory? |
| 17:39.40 | ksk | (nopaste, see what the bot said) |
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| 17:40.23 | Brigo | https://paste.debian.net/1146393/ |
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| 17:41.25 | Brigo | ksk, bot is not saying nothing to me, i think you need something like dpkg tell brigo about nopaste |
| 17:41.33 | Brigo | iirc |
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| 17:42.20 | Brigo | more complete, i missed something: https://paste.debian.net/1146396/ |
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| 17:44.01 | ksk | "Part Number:"?? |
| 17:44.51 | ksk | Seems something is wrong hardware/bios-wise. First make the bios recognize 4G of ram, then continue with linux |
| 17:45.11 | miskatonic | here is my free -m : Mem: 3655 136 3115 15 403 3284 |
| 17:46.15 | Brigo | ksk, i have updated the bios just now, any other sugestion ? |
| 17:46.54 | ksk | Brigo: looking up the part number vs. the supported memory list of the mainboard. |
| 17:47.11 | cybercrypto | !wgetpaste |
| 17:47.11 | dpkg | wgetpaste is a CLI application for sending text to a pastebin, its only dependencies are bash and wget. To install and use: wget http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && tar xvjf wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && cd wgetpaste-2.17 You can then use it as ./wgetpaste; e.g. dmesg | ./wgetpaste It is also safe to copy to /usr/local/bin for easier use. |
| 17:47.31 | ksk | Brigo: is it just broken maybe? ##hardware could be of help, not sure how to debug that and if its ontopic in #debian |
| 17:47.44 | Brigo | ksk, ok thank you |
| 17:47.47 | ksk | !tell cybercrypto about pastebinit |
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| 18:21.24 | GenuineGNULinux | Your GNU/Linux copy is not activated. You may be a victim of software counterfeiting. Do you want to enter product key now? |
| 18:21.38 | GenuineGNULinux | If you don't have a product key, contact me to purchase a license. |
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| 18:22.41 | diogenes_ | patent trolls ) |
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| 18:23.29 | GenuineGNULinux | One license for one computer. How much licenses do you want to purchase? |
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| 18:23.54 | krabador | it would be interesting to know how many contact you've , GenuineGNULinux |
| 18:24.19 | greycat | %~1d troll |
| 18:24.23 | pwnd_nsfw | lmao |
| 18:24.23 | greycat | gah |
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| 18:24.37 | pwnd_nsfw | GenuineGNULinux, usually ou people call me |
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| 18:37.33 | ActivateYourLinu | Purchase a license now! $89 for single computer if you purchase it before I'm banned! |
| 18:38.01 | greycat | What the fuck. |
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| 18:38.27 | _keropok | lmao |
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| 18:39.25 | diogenes_ | ActivateYourLinu, how much for a copy and where is the EULA? |
| 18:39.38 | greycat | Do not feed the trolls, please. |
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| 18:58.12 | brutser | if i run debian as a guest in vbox, what xserver-xorg-video driver i need in combination with the vbox guest additions? is that xserver-xorg-video-vesa, or do i just install xserver-xorg-video-all ? |
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| 19:08.03 | towo` | brutser, and don't crosspost tha same quesation in multiple channels |
| 19:08.22 | brutser | i see no reason why not |
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| 19:10.00 | karlpinc | brutser: Because we say not to? People will ignore you if they see the same question asked twice, which is rude. And the people who really know answers are probably in multiple channels. |
| 19:10.55 | zodd__ | what is the current preferred way of starting instances of docker during boottime of buster? |
| 19:10.59 | brutser | karlpinc: that is ridiculous, it perfectly makes sense that i ask this question in #debian and in #vbox - come on |
| 19:11.20 | greycat | It's incredibly frustrating because the purpose of IRC is for answers to be shared among lots of people, not to help *YOU*. If the question is asked in multiple places, each of those places only gets a fragment of the discussion, while *YOU* get everything, but you only care about yourself, right? |
| 19:11.24 | brutser | if i would do that in 3,4,5 channels ok |
| 19:12.08 | brutser | greycat: the reason to ask in 2 channels, is because the question has 2 sides that fit both channels perfect |
| 19:12.21 | brutser | any input from both channels would be of value to anyone else beside me |
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| 19:13.54 | brutser | greycat: and i understand your point, but it's not ALWAYS applicable to all situation |
| 19:14.07 | cybercrypto | brutser: You missing your point here.... you are not getting any closer to an answer if you continue justifying against the volunteers trying to help. Stop a sec and re-think. :-) |
| 19:14.30 | joepublic | I presume the perennial advice "why not go ask in #so-and-so" will be discontinued in light of the once and only once doctrine... |
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| 19:15.01 | brutser | cybercrypto: i don't mean to get closer to an answer with this debate, all i am doing is defending myself from the accusation of towo` |
| 19:15.29 | cybercrypto | brutser: thats my point above :-) |
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| 19:22.48 | Akuw_ | a cron "7 * * * *" run minute 7 each hour right? |
| 19:23.39 | karlpinc | joepublic: It's always: "If you don't get an answer here try go asking in #so-and-so". Or just "We don't know, go ask there". |
| 19:23.44 | karlpinc | Akuw_: Yup. |
| 19:23.53 | Akuw_ | thz |
| 19:24.20 | karlpinc | Akuw_: Although depending on the cron you're using (etc) a fuzz-factor can be added in. |
| 19:24.34 | Akuw_ | ? |
| 19:25.45 | karlpinc | Akuw_: I'm not really familiar, but anacron, for example, is not guarenteed to deliver exactly on time. Just close. And others have fuzz built-in to avoid the "everyone on the internet sends me an email at midnight the first of the month" problem. It's probably configurable and surely documented. |
| 19:26.25 | Akuw_ | ok |
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| 19:29.33 | skibur | Need some help with setting up /etc/security/time.conf |
| 19:29.51 | skibur | Where do I add the pam_time.so module? |
| 19:32.13 | greycat | There's a sample line in pam_time(8). I would imagine you put it in the pam config for whatever service you're trying to restrict. |
| 19:33.42 | skibur | I see the EXAMPLES section |
| 19:34.01 | urxtnw | somiaj, hey, I chatted with you about this a while back. I was going to set up a VPN then I was thinking of making my laptop connect to the VPN automatically on startup, and I was going to use /etc/network/interfaces. Do you happen to have a tutorial for that? Basically I'm looking for a low level connection, something like when I boot the system it alaways connects to i.e. xxx.xxx.xx(my ip) |
| 19:34.13 | skibur | What should the file be called and where do I put the file? |
| 19:34.14 | karlpinc | brutser: No accusations. Recommendations. |
| 19:34.23 | greycat | skibur: if you have to ask this, you are NOT ready for this. |
| 19:34.32 | skibur | lol |
| 19:34.37 | greycat | skibur: you do not create a file. You edit an existing file. |
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| 19:36.09 | skibur | I've tried adding it to /etc/pam.d/login, /etc/pam.d/common-auth, but nothing |
| 19:36.42 | greycat | You edited /etc/pam.d/login which is used by login. Did you then *actually* use login? As in, a directy console-getty-login chain? |
| 19:36.53 | greycat | Or are you logging in some other way? ssh? gdm3? |
| 19:37.08 | skibur | not ssh or gdm3 |
| 19:38.06 | karlpinc | skibur: Might look at "man 7 pam" to get an overview. FYI. |
| 19:38.09 | skibur | I'm trying to restrict some application like 'flatpak' with line in time.conf flatpak;*; username;!Al0000-2400 |
| 19:38.21 | greycat | So you're not actually logging in? AT ALL? |
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| 19:38.28 | greycat | What on earth do you think PAM does? |
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| 19:40.20 | skibur | /etc/security/time.conf <-- example # xsh;ttyp*;root;!WdMo0000-2400 |
| 19:40.27 | skibur | That |
| 19:40.41 | greycat | So you are not logging in. You thought PAM could be used with *any* program at random. |
| 19:41.11 | skibur | I got that example from the actual time.conf file. |
| 19:41.11 | greycat | It can't. It is only used by programs that explicitly link with *and* *use* the PAM library. Which is stuff like ssh, login, and so on. |
| 19:41.36 | skibur | :q1 |
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| 19:47.31 | skibur | I guess I'm not ready |
| 19:47.33 | skibur | lol |
| 19:48.19 | skibur | How can I restrict users from not accessing flatpak from 2200 - 0800? |
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| 19:48.54 | skibur | accessing, sorry not not |
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| 19:49.29 | greycat | set up two crontab entries, one which does chmod 000 /path/to/flatpak, and the other which does chmod 755 /path/to/flatpak, and make them run at the desired times |
| 19:49.50 | greycat | or something slightly less brute-force if you wish |
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| 19:51.45 | skibur | I was trying to avoid cron jobs, but ok. |
| 19:51.57 | imMute | why on earth would you want to resetrict *when* a command can be ran? |
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| 19:53.15 | jess | maybe support is only available during those hours and you want to stop people causing themselves problems outside those hours |
| 19:53.28 | jess | which seems like an odd circumstance to be in |
| 19:54.17 | imMute | trying to solve people problems with technology rarely goes well... |
| 19:55.49 | joepublic | "Yeah, support? for some reason flatpak wouldn't work so I had to download the binary and put it in my user directory, and then what happened was..." |
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| 19:59.07 | jess | joepublic: that gives me cold sweats |
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| 20:15.39 | A|an | lsb_release -a should display the point release number, correct? |
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| 20:16.28 | greycat | It does whatever it does. I wouldn't try to use it for any serious purpose. |
| 20:17.05 | cybercrypto | A|an: why not: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 20:17.07 | A|an | well, I'm trying to upgrade to the current point release and get verification that it all went properly |
| 20:17.19 | A|an | true that |
| 20:17.21 | A|an | thanks |
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| 20:17.27 | greycat | Definitely use cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:18.01 | A|an | yes...made a world of difference |
| 20:18.04 | A|an | thanks again |
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| 20:18.20 | cybercrypto | debian is much easier than I ever think :-) |
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| 20:30.32 | urxtnw | If I use systemd to start a unit at book with: systemctl enable unit. What is actually happening? Will this be enabled forever, or is there a chance this setting might be re-written if I do a system upgrade? Will this setting be written in some file? |
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| 20:31.26 | greycat | It will stay enabled until you disable it. |
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| 20:32.12 | cybercrypto | urxtnw: if you only start, (not enable) it will not start again on next boot. |
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| 20:33.16 | urxtnw | greycat, cybercrypto and if i ENABLE IT there is no chance even with a major kernel upgrade and systemd utils upgrade that this setting will change correct? |
| 20:33.56 | greycat | I already answered you. Do I need to keep repeating the same answer? |
| 20:37.39 | cybercrypto | urxtnw: it will continue to be started during boot, even after upgrades (minor or major) in normal conditions. The only issue you may encounter is when if your service depends on another unit that fails to start (thats rare, but I saw it few times). |
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| 20:43.23 | urxtnw | greycat, sorry I missed that, thank you so much |
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| 20:43.47 | urxtnw | cybercrypto, thank you for this info and sharing your experience, it makes everything more clear now |
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| 20:56.28 | cybercrypto | greycat: Sorry, i did not mean to jump over your reply. I acctually poorly read the urxtnw question at first and missed the enable word in command. |
| 20:56.57 | greycat | Apparently they needed it repeated, so no problem. |
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| 21:47.09 | nvz | ok, so I am having an issue here with network lag that seems to be due to losing my routes. I'm noticing it due to use of mosh which puts up a banner showing how long it has been since it had contact with the server.. which is happening ridiculously frequently and for like 20-60sec on average it seems every 20-60 sec or so To further complicate this issue it seems to only happen when I'm on "xfinitywifi" not |
| 21:47.15 | nvz | when I |
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| 21:48.03 | nvz | m connected to my cell phone.. the main differences is my cell phone's AP is secured and leases for 2hrs.. xfinitywifi is open, leases for 5 minutes and their network is such that there are APs with the namne "xfinitywifi all over the place with different MAC IDs |
| 21:49.20 | nvz | I am getting 3/4 bars to the xfinitywifi, this is happeneing recently for days now on two different machines on buster, one sid, when I had flawless connectivity in same location with same machines for a month or more |
| 21:49.55 | nvz | when mosh shows the lag, I cannot load web pages.. or reconnect to mosh.. it'll say no route to host or such |
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| 21:51.10 | nvz | I just tried without network-manager and the issue still occurs so idk whats going on here or how to figure it out exactly. |
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| 21:52.31 | sney | honestly that sounds like congestion on the wifi provider's side. |
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| 21:53.06 | nvz | there is nothing in journalctl -k and only things I see in jornalctl are normal messages about the DHCP renewal.. and this is happening much more frequently than the renewal |
| 21:53.56 | satanist | hi im try to get a dependency graphe of some packages with apt-cache dotty package | dot ... but dot segfaults, I have also seend there is support for xvcg but I couldn't find a package which can render the output |
| 21:54.32 | nvz | thats not impossible, but I only have at most two devices on it at any one time, and this area is not terribly dense in population and most everyone nearby has their own AP :P |
| 21:57.48 | nvz | I have lived in far more densely populated areas and not had these issues with xfinitywifi.. many of their services, streaming TV, recent addition of cellular phone service.. etc rely on these networks functioning well.. but I'll see if maybe they can do any diagnostics on their end too |
| 21:59.50 | jim | is it possible to take a cloned debian, and run an installer on it, mount the partitions using the partition tool, then just run the grub install? |
| 22:00.29 | nvz | possible sure, necessary, not at all |
| 22:00.43 | nvz | !wayttd |
| 22:00.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 22:02.04 | jim | the drive is good, but it doesn't boot, not even into grub. so I'm trying to get it to boot |
| 22:02.41 | jim | what else would I do? |
| 22:03.33 | jhutchins | 1fixgrub |
| 22:03.42 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 22:03.42 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 22:03.46 | nvz | standard chroot rescue procceedure.. boot another media.. like yes, an installer.. then drop into a shell, mount the disk, chroot to it.. |
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| 22:05.54 | jim | I've been trying the standard approach for days... I built a pair of scripts that build or tear down a chroot |
| 22:06.20 | jim | but when I grub-mkconfig, it hangs, no message |
| 22:06.26 | nvz | there's an app for that (tm) :P |
| 22:06.35 | nvz | ,i schroot |
| 22:06.36 | judd | Package schroot (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Execute commands in a chroot environment. Version: 1.6.10-6+b1; Size: 777.2k; Installed: 2728k; Homepage: https://gitlab.com/codelibre/schroot; O: #900874 |
| 22:06.53 | jim | I can't install packages right now |
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| 22:07.00 | nvz | I have never in almost 20 years using debian ran that command |
| 22:07.31 | jim | I put the chroot builder that I did on gitnub |
| 22:07.33 | nvz | usually all that I need for a rescue is grub-install hd0 |
| 22:07.51 | nvz | or similar |
| 22:08.27 | jim | well thanks... I'll give some of this a try |
| 22:08.44 | nvz | you should probably speak on the type of disk.. computer, recent issues.. power failure..etc and if you're using efi or not |
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| 22:09.26 | jim | using efi, the machine is hp probook 650 g1 |
| 22:09.34 | jim | no power fails |
| 22:10.10 | jim | the disk is a 2t sata spinning hd |
| 22:11.17 | jim | the other machine is across the room, so I'll be afk here for a little while |
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| 22:11.31 | nvz | didnt fool with the bios settings at all preventing EFI booting |
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| 22:17.11 | nvz | jim: for the blanket sort of reinstall method you mentioned you'd need to tell it to keep existing data on partitions then it'd still reinstall base.. and you'd have to reinstall your package lists.. making a backup of currently installed package lists first |
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| 22:17.51 | nvz | but yes, letting DI do it may be less stress.. however if its hardware.. ie bios settings, disk failure. etc, DI can't fix that |
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| 22:19.00 | jim | nope, didn't fool with settings in the bios |
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| 22:19.24 | jim | and I don't really want it to try installing the base |
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| 22:40.49 | nvz | well thing is, if you go into the installer immediately adfter leaving the partitioning, its going to install base on whatever is mouned as rootfs on the target |
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| 22:41.50 | nvz | perhaps not in expert mode but I havent used it in a long time so I'm not sure but normalyl expert doesnt just skip to next step it goes back to the menu to choose what to do next |
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| 22:42.57 | nvz | all installing base over a keep data partition is gonna do really is overwrite your package DB which means you need your package selections re-set |
| 22:43.25 | nvz | all your personal data is in /home and debian policy is not to overwrite and changed configs in /etc/ or such without asking |
| 22:43.51 | nvz | so all your settings would be the same as long as you fix the package manager by backing up your package list first and then reapplying it after |
| 22:44.37 | nvz | its not necessary as I said before but its a more blanket solution that requires less digging into what actually happened |
| 22:45.50 | nvz | otherwise you gotta mount, chroot in, and investigate logs, configs, manually fix grub |
| 22:46.48 | nvz | really if you never see grub at all, no grub prompt, errors, etc.. that suggests to me that its just not finding the disk/esp/grub to begin with which suggests hardware issues to me |
| 22:47.40 | nvz | usually grub failures result in you being dropped to grub> or (initramfs) or something at boot |
| 22:47.43 | nvz | means the machine still found the install but something is broken |
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| 22:53.31 | jmcnaught | jim: the debian installer has a rescue mode that you can choose from the boot menu. Rescue mode lets you pick where the root filesystem is, and it has a reinstall GRUB option. |
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| 23:10.28 | wr | what is the alternative to gksudo now on Debian? |
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| 23:13.26 | somiaj | wr: most things are swithcing to policykit / polkit, debian still uses policykit I think (though this isn't as simple as gksudo) |
| 23:13.39 | somiaj | in general one should avoid running gui apps as root is common advise here |
| 23:14.02 | wr | somiaj, how would you run zenmap? |
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| 23:15.07 | wr | pkexec? |
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| 23:15.59 | somiaj | umm just use nmap? |
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| 23:16.18 | somiaj | anyways, sometimes sudo will runthings from a terminal and not need gksudo |
| 23:16.33 | somiaj | though unsure why you need root for zenmap |
| 23:16.57 | wr | somiaj, some scans need root |
| 23:17.12 | somiaj | scans of your system or scans of remote systems? |
| 23:17.35 | somiaj | anyways, policykit is a common way to allow privlage escilation for certain apps run by your user |
| 23:17.47 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/PolicyKit |
| 23:17.52 | wr | i guess both |
| 23:18.19 | somiaj | I don't see why you need root to scan a remote machine, but I don't do much of this, so don't know the details |
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| 23:19.43 | wr | somiaj, when i open it and run slow scan i get warning only runs with root |
| 23:20.36 | somiaj | you cna try sudo from a termainl, or configure policykit for this app |
| 23:21.03 | somiaj | in general gksudo was a hacky way to give permsission escilation, and other methods are prefered. |
| 23:21.25 | somiaj | others who actually run gui apps as root (I don't) might have other suggestions |
| 23:21.43 | wr | somiaj, yes, but i was opening it via GUI on alt+f2 of xfce |
| 23:22.11 | wr | somiaj, i used pkexec and works |
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| 23:41.36 | jim | jmcnaught, maybe what I should do is format/reinstall... nothign else is working |
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| 23:42.16 | somiaj | missed the issue, are you installing nvme? |
| 23:43.54 | somiaj | I mean installing on nvme? |
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| 23:46.23 | jim | somiaj, me? no, spinning 2t hd |
| 23:48.35 | somiaj | okay, I just know that there can be issues with efi and nvme |
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| 23:48.57 | somiaj | I missed the actual issue, but seems you have tried most things |