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| 00:06.34 | brieweb | sponix, I appreciate the help. I haven't seen this problem before with Xen. |
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| 00:20.14 | urxtnw | I've installed openvpn on one laptop and I was able to open it, configure it, etc. but on my other laptop, i try to run openvpn, and even though it's installed it says "openvpn command not found" |
| 00:20.32 | mi11k1 | audi |
| 00:20.40 | mi11k1 | f sudo |
| 00:20.53 | ThothCastel | from the image below - how come the systemctl status iptables shows no service running for the same service that above shows the iptables content?? |
| 00:21.00 | mi11k1 | sudo openvpn |
| 00:21.07 | urxtnw | i am already root |
| 00:21.10 | urxtnw | withsu |
| 00:21.10 | ThothCastel | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wfeyBipE/image.png |
| 00:21.18 | mi11k1 | unroot |
| 00:21.26 | urxtnw | same problem |
| 00:21.27 | mi11k1 | su - |
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| 00:21.33 | jmcnaught | ThothCastel: iptables is not a service. |
| 00:21.34 | urxtnw | what is that line for |
| 00:21.42 | urxtnw | mi11k1 |
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| 00:21.50 | mi11k1 | its what will solve |
| 00:22.03 | mi11k1 | u gotta put the full path where u are |
| 00:22.11 | mi11k1 | whereis openvpn |
| 00:22.29 | mi11k1 | and try with the whole path |
| 00:22.31 | urxtnw | oh wow thank you that fixed it mi11k1 but what does |
| 00:22.34 | ThothCastel | jmcnaught: right |
| 00:22.42 | ThothCastel | so the table exists |
| 00:22.44 | mi11k1 | it's just magic |
| 00:22.46 | urxtnw | mi11k1 that command to, the "-" |
| 00:22.49 | ThothCastel | but the firewall is not runnning, correct? |
| 00:23.00 | Whyvn | if a device i want to mount is not showing up with lsblk, does that mean I cannot mount the device? I have an ereader I want to transfer media to, which is supported through usb. When I connect the device I confirm the prompt to go into usb mode, but on my computer I do no see the device to mount it. |
| 00:23.20 | mi11k1 | demagogue |
| 00:23.24 | mi11k1 | dmesg |
| 00:23.25 | ThothCastel | for the firewall to be on, the iptable service needs to be running and the table must exist - correct? |
| 00:23.27 | jmcnaught | ThothCastel: iptables is just a way to control netfilter, which is a feature of the kernel. |
| 00:23.32 | mi11k1 | -w and plug it in |
| 00:24.00 | mi11k1 | iptables and hit tab a few times |
| 00:24.05 | ThothCastel | jmcnaught: ok so does that mean that I don't have a firewall running at the moment? |
| 00:24.23 | mi11k1 | all ports are closed unless they're open |
| 00:24.31 | ThothCastel | as I understand from your sentence, my debian buster fresh install has the rules |
| 00:24.35 | mi11k1 | nmap yer self |
| 00:24.59 | mi11k1 | are u afraid cause u have porn? |
| 00:25.02 | jmcnaught | ThothCastel: you have active firewall rules in your screenshot. There does not need to be a service running for the firewall. |
| 00:25.14 | jmcnaught | mi11k1: it's quiet time please. |
| 00:25.56 | mi11k1 | the only ppl that don't get this is ppl with porn |
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| 00:31.22 | ThothCastel | jmcnaught: right - therefore I currently have a firewall running on my debian buster - correct? |
| 00:31.35 | jmcnaught | yeah |
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| 00:32.42 | mi11k1 | except for the buster backdoor nobody talks about |
| 00:33.11 | mi11k1 | do you have a router? |
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| 00:33.26 | mi11k1 | are you on a lan with other ppl? |
| 00:33.31 | ThothCastel | does iptables replace firewalld? |
| 00:33.51 | mi11k1 | do u have a smartphone ? |
| 00:33.54 | ThothCastel | mi11k1: |
| 00:34.02 | ThothCastel | I have all of these yes |
| 00:34.29 | mi11k1 | install fing and scan |
| 00:36.06 | jmcnaught | ThothCastel: firewalld is a daemon/service that uses with iptables or nftables in the background, but I don't know much about it. |
| 00:36.44 | mi11k1 | it's a sticky subject |
| 00:37.23 | mi11k1 | the thing is, unless you run services it's all closed |
| 00:37.30 | mi11k1 | more or less |
| 00:38.32 | mi11k1 | so, if you're worried about something in particular, you don't have to worry too much |
| 00:39.11 | mi11k1 | did u install a webserver? |
| 00:39.28 | mi11k1 | ssh server? |
| 00:40.21 | mi11k1 | funny thing is, by messing around with it yer could end up making it vulnerable . |
| 00:41.44 | mi11k1 | if you have a decent router in from of you it's the first layer. |
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| 00:42.14 | mi11k1 | if yer on a wifi with other ppl , then another story. |
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| 01:03.10 | tinfoil-hat | Hi, I discovered, that imagemagick has a gui when opening an image from firefox downlaod manager however, I can't find the executable, to put in into cwm's menu |
| 01:04.20 | tinfoil-hat | I want to use it to edit images in this gui from imagemagic, however I can't find the executable |
| 01:04.58 | tinfoil-hat | There's also no README in /usr/share/docs/imagemagick |
| 01:05.17 | somiaj | tinfoil-hat: display |
| 01:05.28 | annadane | imagemagick is dumb like that, yeah. |
| 01:05.45 | tinfoil-hat | somiaj: thank you, that was it |
| 01:05.45 | somiaj | I don't think display can do many edits, using the command line tools are what you need. display mostly just shows an image. |
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| 01:07.08 | tinfoil-hat | somiaj: I wanted to compress an image, but convert -compress 80% doesn't take the % and in the manpage there is just standing it want's a value, but what value? |
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| 01:08.00 | somiaj | the manpage says compress takes a type, quality takes a value |
| 01:08.10 | somiaj | higher quality, less compression |
| 01:09.06 | tinfoil-hat | okay, I'm by far no unix wizard, manpages are still a bit unhandy for me |
| 01:09.11 | somiaj | I'm unsure what the pixel types are |
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| 01:09.30 | somiaj | it only says the type of pixle compression and nothing more |
| 01:09.40 | tinfoil-hat | :/ |
| 01:09.46 | hemimaniac | tinfoil-hat:when you open an image in imagemajick just right click on the display and a wee editing maue pops-up |
| 01:09.54 | kristijonas | Okay, guys I messed the upgrade from stretch to buster :/ |
| 01:10.12 | somiaj | kristijonas: not really, stretch is still supported |
| 01:10.15 | somiaj | !stretch |
| 01:10.15 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 01:10.23 | tinfoil-hat | hemimaniac: yeah, I found it kinda neat, that's why I searched for the executable |
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| 01:10.43 | annadane | !release notes |
| 01:10.43 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 01:10.49 | annadane | if you do upgrade to buster, read those ^ |
| 01:11.48 | kristijonas | On the upgrade, on the last step: apt-get dist-upgrade on some point I got the message: |
| 01:12.38 | kristijonas | "The screen locker ir broken. And unlocking is not possible..." |
| 01:13.05 | somiaj | did it error out? |
| 01:13.18 | somiaj | might just be something that becomes not an issue once you boot on the new kernel |
| 01:14.11 | kristijonas | "Switch to virtual terminal , log in and type command: loginctl unlock-sessions" |
| 01:14.59 | somiaj | this is new to me, must be some desktop locking thing, for the most part I would just do what it suggests |
| 01:15.36 | kristijonas | My keyboard wasnt working i waited for a bit and hard-rebooted my laptop... |
| 01:15.56 | somiaj | did you do this upgrade in yoru desktop enviorment? |
| 01:16.05 | kristijonas | Yeah... |
| 01:16.13 | somiaj | in general it is safer to do from a terminal |
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| 01:16.49 | kristijonas | Right. So whats the first step to try to resume upgrade? |
| 01:16.57 | somiaj | after you reboot run 'dpkg --configure -a' and 'apt -f install' to make sure everything finished configuring |
| 01:20.16 | kristijonas | Thanks. Just in case the system gets unfixable, but terminal and internet seems to work, is it somehow possible to download the installtiom iso and make it boot? I don't sadly have other computer now usb stick with me. |
| 01:20.47 | somiaj | yea, you only need wget and cp to get a bootable usb drive |
| 01:20.56 | somiaj | so console and internet is more than enough |
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| 01:26.43 | b1ackandwh1te | i want to report a low importace bug in buster, apt-clone clone dont work |
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| 01:27.11 | b1ackandwh1te | i backup in other ways but |
| 01:27.23 | b1ackandwh1te | just to inform |
| 01:28.16 | annadane | we do have a bug tracking system, but you should be sure it's a bug before filing it |
| 01:28.27 | annadane | it's possible you're using it wrong |
| 01:28.30 | annadane | !doesn't work |
| 01:28.30 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 01:29.59 | b1ackandwh1te | please give me the bug report official link |
| 01:30.09 | urxtnw | that's the funniest factoid ever |
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| 01:30.20 | annadane | !bts |
| 01:30.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 01:30.45 | b1ackandwh1te | thanks |
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| 01:32.07 | kristijonas | Okay, "dpkg --configure -a" after a whole stopped: processing was halted because there were too many errors |
| 01:32.30 | somiaj | I prefer <aptitude clone> for cloning anyways, though wonder if apt-clone keeps track of auto install yet. |
| 01:32.42 | joepublic | That means there were too many (unspecified) errors, so the processing stopped. |
| 01:33.11 | joepublic | The Real Problem(sm) is probably one of those errors |
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| 01:34.20 | somiaj | kristijonas: you can try 'apt -f install' and then start to track down the errors and see if you can fix them. |
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| 01:34.42 | kristijonas | Dpkg: error processing packing [x], dependency problems - leaving unfigured. |
| 01:34.42 | dpkg | kristijonas: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:35.44 | somiaj | kristijonas: that is strange you have a dependency issue, did you have any thrid party packages installed? Also to provide you any help we need full output, not paraphrased, use paste.debian.net |
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| 01:38.43 | kristijonas | Somiaj, yeah, but using apt-forktracer i cleaned almost all of them. Before upgrade. |
| 01:39.33 | somiaj | the third party packages on your system could still cause problems holding things back, anyways, full output and maybe we can help track down some issues, but you'll have to manually fix the errors. |
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| 01:40.46 | somiaj | if you have aptitude, aptitude search ~o should list packages that aren't currently in your sources |
| 01:41.14 | kristijonas | Somiaj, not so good at this. Can I somehow try to post the needed output via console or i should just make photos with the phone and upload it? |
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| 01:41.51 | b1ackandwh1te | how do i output in bash forced to english? |
| 01:42.43 | ryouma | man locale |
| 01:42.47 | dvs | no |
| 01:42.47 | ryouma | b1ackandwh1te: |
| 01:43.03 | dvs | b1ackandwh1te, put "LANG=C" in front of the command |
| 01:43.16 | b1ackandwh1te | dvs: thanks |
| 01:43.23 | dvs | np |
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| 01:44.27 | kristijonas | Somiaj, dpkg --configure -a: https://i.imgur.com/VQexQtK.jpg |
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| 01:45.01 | joepublic | the interesting bits have scrolled off the top already |
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| 01:45.56 | somiaj | apt -f install would also be better, need to figure out the dependency issues, as the ones we see are all dependency issues |
| 01:45.56 | apt | somiaj: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:46.04 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 01:46.04 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 01:46.10 | somiaj | !termcap |
| 01:46.10 | dpkg | i heard termcap is the old fashioned way of describing terminal capabilities, not used by Debian since <sarge>. If you want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, try the ncurses termcap emulation instead. It's as simple as linking with ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile) and /etc/termcap is not required. |
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| 01:46.20 | somiaj | !termbin |
| 01:46.20 | dpkg | [termbin] you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 01:46.28 | somiaj | arg, that one, anyways you can paste the output directly form a console |
| 01:48.37 | morph8hprom | Alright, so I just recently upgraded from Stretch to Buster, and kept my /home directory on a separate partition. The issue is...probably a year ago or so I set up for a terminal and firefox-esr to open on startup, and I can not for the life of me remember how now that I want to disable it. I've checked init.d, .desktop/autostart, and even the GUI Settings->Session and Startup menu, with absolutely |
| 01:48.43 | morph8hprom | no luck. I'm using XFCE4 if that matters. |
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| 01:49.15 | kristijonas | https://i.imgur.com/ai4R702.jpg as for apt-get install f |
| 01:49.35 | morph8hprom | I've been combing through search results hoping that ANYTHING would look familiar, but nothing does, and I can't find anywhere that would be causing this. |
| 01:49.38 | ChmEarl | morph8hprom, /etc/rc.local |
| 01:50.28 | morph8hprom | ChmEarl: File doesn't exist, can't see it even with ls -a |
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| 01:54.24 | morph8hprom | On my first boot with Buster, the two applications DID NOT open, however my themes were a little jacked up. After rebooting today, themes/panels were reset to default (questioned at the start for empty panel or default), and both applications opened. |
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| 01:56.02 | kristijonas | Sorry, had to change my irc client. |
| 01:56.58 | morph8hprom | It would have to be something in my /home files since it carried over during the new install, right? |
| 01:57.04 | kristijonas | So yeah, the apt-get install -f returns |
| 01:57.08 | kristijonas | https://i.imgur.com/ai4R702.jpg |
| 01:57.30 | morph8hprom | everything else got formatted and overwritten |
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| 01:59.32 | dvs | kristijonas, your sources.list is still pointing to stretch |
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| 02:02.42 | kristijonas | Dvs, no, just double checked it, on every single line its buster |
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| 02:03.42 | dvs | kristijonas, then either "apt update" wasn't run or there are files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 02:04.47 | kristijonas | I followed this site for upgrade: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster then my laptop got stuck with: https://imgur.com/a/hsS5p8T |
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| 02:07.22 | kristijonas | Dvs, since it got stuck at this, neither mouse nor keybord didn't work I rebooted my pc |
| 02:07.26 | dvs | kristijonas, the official instructions are here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html but the error messages are usually caused by what I mentioned. |
| 02:08.36 | joepublic | the linuxconfig.org page literally says "the chances are, that after the upgrade you may end up with a broken system" |
| 02:10.26 | kristijonas | Dvs, sources.list.d does have several files in it |
| 02:10.50 | dvs | kristijonas, bingo! And Im sure they mention stretch |
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| 02:11.12 | joepublic | (or, heaven forbid, mention some other distribution entirely) |
| 02:11.20 | dvs | probably |
| 02:11.29 | dvs | I bet that's the source of the problem |
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| 02:13.40 | morph8hprom | is 'rm -r ~/.*' an acceptable way to test if it's just an issue with my dotfiles? |
| 02:13.56 | morph8hprom | That's not gonna wipe anything super important/irreplacable? |
| 02:15.20 | dvs | morph8hprom, that's going to wipe out all of your user's configuration |
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| 02:16.53 | morph8hprom | dvs Right, which is replacable. It's possible that it'll stop whatever's opening applications on startup though? |
| 02:17.03 | joepublic | "making a new user account" is the usual way that's done |
| 02:17.39 | morph8hprom | joepublic: Understandable, but I have plenty of other files I'd like to keep without backing them up and moving them back. |
| 02:17.40 | dvs | morph8hprom, doubtful. |
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| 02:18.05 | joepublic | if you make a new user account, what's to stop you from copying them over? |
| 02:18.19 | morph8hprom | dvs The only thing I don't understand is that the only partition I didn't format on upgrade was my /home partition, so it would have to be something in there. |
| 02:18.53 | morph8hprom | sorry, upgrade is the wrong term...I just burned an iso and booted/installed from the disc. |
| 02:20.22 | morph8hprom | I guess I could just make another user and copy the Downloads and Documents folders though. Might take a little time, but probably less time than this whole fiasco is taking. |
| 02:22.55 | dvs | morph8hprom, when does the program start? when you login? |
| 02:23.03 | morph8hprom | dvs Yes |
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| 02:23.42 | morph8hprom | I've checked init.d, .desktop, and everywhere else mentioned in pages on pages of search results with no solution. |
| 02:23.54 | dvs | morph8hprom, then it probably has to do with your Startup programs in the desktop environment's startup programs in your setting. |
| 02:24.16 | morph8hprom | I'm using xfce4 |
| 02:24.48 | dvs | I use KDE so I don't know where it is. |
| 02:25.14 | morph8hprom | Hrm...alright. I actually installed KDE as well and was considering switching to it, but I wanted to see if I could get this to work first. |
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| 02:26.10 | dvs | morph8hprom, or ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile ? |
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| 02:29.09 | morph8hprom | dvs: Not seeing any command for xfce4-terminal, just customization and a couple of path variables |
| 02:29.43 | Lampion | Hello everyone, I'm a nigh total newbie at Debian and will try to understand, install and configure iptables on my computer, may I come here for help if I meet difficulties ? |
| 02:30.32 | annadane | you sure can |
| 02:30.42 | dvs | Lampion, did you install iptables-persistant package? |
| 02:31.22 | Lampion | Thanks, not yet I'm still looking at an introductive tutorial before I delve into the mettle of it. |
| 02:31.27 | sney | Lampion: you should also consider whether you need iptables. a computer in your house on a private network doesn't need its own firewall, for instance. debian is pretty locked down by default. |
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| 02:32.49 | Lampion | I know it's very secure, but I'll be joining an informatics school next year and I'd like to have a few things in my bag when I'll go there, not to start from scratch. |
| 02:33.12 | sney | good answer. carry on |
| 02:33.15 | Lampion | Plus, I'll have to find a job, and any personnal project regarding sysnetadministration will help |
| 02:33.27 | sney | !nftables |
| 02:33.27 | dpkg | nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
| 02:33.41 | Lampion | So I'd rather go for it than iptables ? |
| 02:33.45 | sney | for best professional results, learn both |
| 02:33.45 | dvs | but education is usually a bit behind |
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| 02:34.00 | Lampion | Understood, I'll start with iptables then. |
| 02:34.05 | Lampion | Thanks. |
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| 02:36.29 | morph8hprom | It's also not listed in xfce4-session-settings Application Autostart tab, so I'm not 100% sure it's xfce4 starting it. |
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| 03:02.15 | zothix | Hi i am currently a debain Cinnamon user, and right now i am installing Debain in my other latop, i have tried KDE years ago, right now i want to go for KDE for this laptop, but i wana make sure if its stable now? |
| 03:02.33 | zothix | for work use, ( KDE Plasma ) |
| 03:02.35 | Gryllida | kde is ok |
| 03:02.53 | Gryllida | if you don't like it, you will be able to switch without reinstalling complete OS |
| 03:03.17 | zothix | hmm that too, but before i remember it had a lot of crash problems |
| 03:03.20 | zothix | are they better now? |
| 03:07.34 | Gryllida | it works ok for my family |
| 03:07.48 | Gryllida | we have kde on three laptops, the fourth one uses wmaker |
| 03:08.18 | zothix | Gryllida, i am too install KDE now xD |
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| 03:21.32 | oxek | I spotted there's an update for `apt`. How bad is the vulnerability? |
| 03:23.06 | goerff | Hey all, I just installed buster testing with xfce. I have two monitors connected to my tower that I know are successfully connected (I'm dual booting and both monitors work when I boot into windows). But one of my monitors isn't being detected. xrandr only shows the single monitor. How do I troubleshoot this? |
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| 03:23.46 | goerff | I think, but I'm not positive, it may have to do with installing some gpu drivers |
| 03:23.58 | goerff | I have a radeon 5600 xt |
| 03:25.37 | Lampion | Is the stateful packet inspection in anyway related to connection tracking ? |
| 03:27.53 | Lampion | For context: I'm looking at the way Iptables functions, I'm seeing the stateful packet inspection which treats a packet in regards to the connection state, I suppose ? |
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| 03:33.55 | sgo11 | hi, I accidentally renamed /etc/pam.d/common-auth. Now, I can not rename it back to the right name with "sudo" or "su". Can I solve the problem without a reboot to live system? Thanks. |
| 03:34.33 | sgo11 | hmm... maybe live system won't work. Because I have enabled LUKS encryption. so what to do now?. |
| 03:36.19 | Lampion | Ok, so, appearently stateful packet inspection and connection tracking aren't the same, how do they differ ? |
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| 03:42.14 | suavglav | I ran into an undefined symbol error in libtinfo.so.5 while trying to execute systemctl commands |
| 03:42.22 | suavglav | anyone run up against this? |
| 03:42.50 | sgo11 | I am still in a running system and logged in right now. I don't dare to reboot. I am afraid I will never be able to login again... |
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| 03:42.59 | suavglav | should I just dpkg-reconfigure ncurses? |
| 03:43.02 | ttill | sgo11, well you can for sure mount the drive on another system |
| 03:43.32 | sgo11 | ttill: can I do that? I have enabled LUCKS encyrption for entire partition. |
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| 03:44.09 | suavglav | @sgo11 you can mount it as a drive in live boot |
| 03:45.01 | suavglav | it'll prompt you for your password |
| 03:45.38 | sgo11 | suavglav: wow, is mount command that smart? I can try it now. thanks. |
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| 03:46.00 | ttill | yea luks can be brute-forced, a bit more fun, but if you wanna be boring sure :D |
| 03:46.36 | ttill | arg, suns up already :/ |
| 03:49.25 | suavglav | re-purpose that bitcoin mining rig |
| 03:49.39 | Gryllida | i don't find x2go-server at http://snapshot.debian.org/, why? |
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| 03:57.46 | sgo11 | suavglav: luks mount works and problem solved. thanks a lot. |
| 03:58.13 | suavglav | no problem =) |
| 03:58.54 | sgo11 | ttill: thanks a lot for your help too. |
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| 03:59.43 | sgo11 | file manager of live system does prompt a password dialog. But mount command is kinda dumb, no prompt at all, just failed. |
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| 04:08.48 | Lampion | Hey guys, knowing I know next to nothing about Debian or sysnet administration, do you think in order to get acquainted to IPtables I should set up a virtual private lan from vms, openssh and vsftpd, knowing all of those are quite difficult to me, or do you think I can practice with iptables without those tools ? |
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| 04:15.20 | somiaj | I would learn nftables, as iptables is depericated, also I wouldn't use ftp either, and just sftp over openssh |
| 04:18.15 | allan_wind | I could use a hand with nftables, actually, trying out fail2ban's support and I am getting an error presumable when it does: nft add set inet filter f2b-sshd \{ type ipv4_addr\; \} |
| 04:18.53 | allan_wind | (actually that seems to succeeed) but followed by nft insert rule inet filter INPUT meta l4proto tcp ip saddr @f2b-sshd reject which fails with Error: Could not process rule: No such file or directory |
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| 04:19.40 | somiaj | I dno't actually know nftables, you could try ##networking, I was just pointing out if you are gonna start learning now, iptables and ftp are things I would not suggest learning |
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| 04:20.00 | allan_wind | I tried #Netfilter but ti was dead. Thx, I will ##networking |
| 04:20.34 | suavglav | @sgo11 mount doesn't see your luks-encrypted device as a drive until it's unlocked |
| 04:21.21 | suavglav | you first use cryptsetup to unlock the drive. then you can mount it as normal. |
| 04:25.05 | allan_wind | ##networking also dead |
| 04:25.30 | somiaj | Might just be the timing |
| 04:25.55 | allan_wind | Yeah |
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| 04:28.02 | allan_wind | heh... by dumb luck seem to have figured it out. nftables's chains seems to be case sensitive and should be input where iptables where INPUT (don't recall if it was case sensitive) |
| 04:28.38 | somiaj | hmm, I always assumed they were case sensitive, but never tried to not capatlize them |
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| 04:29.54 | somiaj | though I just often assume case sensitivity |
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| 05:04.23 | Lampion | @somiaj vsftpd is a sftp daemon, no problem about that ;) As for nftables, I plan on getting to it right when I'm finished with iptables. |
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| 05:04.59 | Lampion | ##networking |
| 05:05.05 | Lampion | Oops, sorry. |
| 05:07.27 | somiaj | I still don't see a need for ftps, when sftp comes with ssh, also sure you can learn iptables, but nftables will be more useful as time goes on |
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| 05:10.42 | Lampion | Another thing: what vm software would you recommend for debian ? |
| 05:11.21 | annadane | virt-manager (a lot of dependencies though) or systemd-nspawn (systemd-container package) or just plain old qemu/kvm |
| 05:11.43 | annadane | is going to sleep, night |
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| 05:12.01 | Lampion | I'm fairly new to that stuff, barely got a vm to function on Windows and never got past login on phone vm. |
| 05:12.17 | Lampion | SO, which one of those three would you recommend ? |
| 05:12.31 | annadane | on reputation probably systemd-nspawn |
| 05:12.40 | annadane | but idk for sure, others can answer |
| 05:12.55 | Lampion | I'll try with that one, thanks, still open for suggestions |
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| 05:13.09 | somiaj | a lot really depends on what you want, qemu-kvm is nice as it is native in the linux kernel and does a good job at emulating linux vms |
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| 05:13.50 | somiaj | xen has its uses, some prefer more contain based isolating like lxc or docker. vbox is useful, and some argue is better for windows vms, but isn't part of debian and needs to be installed thrid party. Also needs a third paty module (same for xen) |
| 05:13.50 | Lampion | I'll be trying to emulate a local network to practice with iptables |
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| 05:16.21 | lembron | hu, am i blind or is there no direct way to install from usb while creating a mdraid-mirror for it? - how do i go about doing this? - first liveboot, create the md and then install "with skipping the formating" or something like this? |
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| 05:28.57 | password2 | if i want to upgrade and my home is not on a different partition , is it possible to copy it to a new partition and then reinstall? |
| 05:29.25 | somiaj | yes |
| 05:29.44 | somiaj | though why reinstall, you can still upgrade in place (or are you wanting to repartition things?) |
| 05:30.05 | password2 | i don't want to reconfigure thigns |
| 05:30.36 | somiaj | That seems contrary to reinstalling |
| 05:30.55 | password2 | is there a reason when i try to run apt-get upgrade it doe not upgrade 700 packages? |
| 05:31.02 | somiaj | but moving the data in /home is independent of this, though it easiest if you have a backup disk/location |
| 05:31.13 | Lampion | I'm sorry to ask again somiaj but since I'm trying to build a virtual lan to practice with iptable, what VM would you recommend ? |
| 05:31.25 | somiaj | because that won't install or remove packages, you need apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 05:31.46 | password2 | -__- |
| 05:31.58 | password2 | i was told to do upgrade |
| 05:32.07 | somiaj | Lampion: libvirt + qemu+kvm is probably the easiest to get up and working in debian and won't require any out of kernel modules. |
| 05:32.23 | somiaj | password2: man apt-get and see the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (they do similar but different things) |
| 05:32.43 | somiaj | usually upgrade is all you need in a stable release (though there are a few exceptiosn to this), and dist-upgrade is to upgrade from one stable to the next stable |
| 05:32.49 | password2 | somiaj, and i know dist-upgrade is a gigantic nono on some linuxes |
| 05:33.11 | somiaj | in debian it is just a manner of how much freedome you give apt to resolve dependencies |
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| 05:33.44 | somiaj | in order to remove old packages and install new packages (not just upgrade packages) you need dist-upgrade (though there is a small difference between apt and apt-get on this front) |
| 05:33.47 | Lampion | Sorry somiaj, didn't see your response, I just quitted weechat by inadvertance. |
| 05:34.04 | somiaj | Lampion: libvirt + qemu+kvm is probably the easiest to get up and working in debian and won't require any out of kernel modules. |
| 05:34.13 | invra | what is apt full-upgrade i dnt get it |
| 05:34.33 | Lampion | Thx somiaj ! |
| 05:34.41 | somiaj | invra: apt is trying to use the langauge of aptitude there. apt-get had upgrade vs dist-upgrade, and aptitude had safe-upgrade vs full-upgrade |
| 05:35.29 | somiaj | they all had sligtly different logic on if they could install new pacakages or remove old packges. More things are moving to aptitudes idea, upgrade can install new stuff but not remove old stuff, and full/dist upgrade is needed to remove old packages to satsify dependencies of new packges. |
| 05:36.20 | invra | i am a bit confused by the amount of package managers.. i tend to use apt as its the faster to type... hopefully i am doing it properly |
| 05:37.16 | password2 | ah , would it be linux if you did not have atleast 3 choices that is almost identical but have a dew subtle differences? |
| 05:37.58 | somiaj | apt is mean to be a user tool that combines apt-get/apt-cache together. The problem with apt-get and apt-cache was they were used in enough scripts, developers coudln't change the cli features or output without breaking to many things. But this also prevented adding new fancy progress meteres, and nicer looking output |
| 05:38.24 | somiaj | so apt was made to be more what a user would use, and is not designed to have a stable interface, while apt-get/apt-cache would keep their stable interface so they continue to work in scripts. |
| 05:38.42 | invra | so its fine using apt |
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| 05:39.00 | Lampion | I always use it, personally, to the point I almost not know how to dpkg. |
| 05:39.22 | somiaj | aptitude is actually a curses ui package manager, and originaly introduced a lot of features not in apt (though apt has adopted lots of them) |
| 05:39.30 | password2 | looks like my apt-get decided to dl in 2 threads |
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| 05:39.57 | somiaj | debian actually only has one package manager, dpkg, it has always been the package manager. apt/aptitude are front ends that can use internet sources to download and install packages (using dpkg) |
| 05:40.03 | password2 | used to always need to grab apt-fast for that |
| 05:40.19 | somiaj | they all use the same apt libary, they just have diferent interfaces, and logic, for user preferences. |
| 05:40.51 | somiaj | and for those old debian users, dselect is still around |
| 05:41.14 | invra | i like synaptic xD |
| 05:41.24 | invra | and apt |
| 05:41.26 | password2 | on thing i like though is i can stop the dl any time and continue later |
| 05:41.39 | somiaj | I'm just glad synaptic learned to play nicely with apt. |
| 05:41.59 | password2 | can i do a cronjob so my server dist-upgrades tonight instead? |
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| 05:42.11 | EdePopede | downloading is faster than unpacking here |
| 05:42.12 | invra | cronjobs with systemd? |
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| 05:42.16 | invra | xD |
| 05:42.16 | somiaj | password2: you don't want to do a dist-upgrade when you aren't around. |
| 05:42.40 | somiaj | dist upgrade will require user interaction and often things will need to be reconfigured, not something to just automatically do |
| 05:43.10 | somiaj | systemd has timer units which have more flexiability than cronjobs, but cron is still around and you can use it |
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| 05:43.30 | somiaj | though cron's email when a job fails is not something systemd timers do (or at least by default) |
| 05:43.37 | invra | there is no need for a bootlaoder now too.. systemd is AIO suite |
| 05:43.39 | invra | xD |
| 05:44.03 | invra | i actually discovered it some days ago |
| 05:44.09 | somiaj | well the lack of a boot loader is more due to efi, systemd just ate up efimanager or something like that |
| 05:44.33 | password2 | somiaj, ok can i cronjob the dl of packages? |
| 05:44.48 | somiaj | password2: you can also do a cronjob to dist-upgrade, it is just a bad idea. |
| 05:45.01 | password2 | make up your mind |
| 05:45.10 | somiaj | but yes, downloading overnight on a cronjob then installing when you are present is a more logical choice |
| 05:45.25 | invra | password2: we ar ein linux, you can do whatever you please |
| 05:45.26 | password2 | I'm not talking logics here |
| 05:45.26 | somiaj | I never said you couldn't do it, I said you shouldn't do it |
| 05:45.32 | password2 | I'm talking particality |
| 05:45.33 | invra | weather its a good idea or bad is the thing |
| 05:45.48 | somiaj | you can have a cron job run any script you want. |
| 05:49.07 | vlt | Hello. We are running a few machines with Debian 10 and MATE desktop sessions (xrdp) for our users. Is there a way to let a user share its screen and grant access to another user? Bonus feature: an indicator to see whenever someone else is connected to my screen. Any idea? |
| 05:49.42 | password2 | somiaj, ofc you can |
| 05:49.52 | password2 | but i can't run my car on cron , now can i? |
| 05:50.20 | somiaj | depends, with some of these remote car starters you could probably do a cronjob for it |
| 05:50.31 | invra | xD |
| 05:50.52 | somiaj | I heard someone had a script that would connect to tha coffemaker and brew them coffee, and had it timed, so the coffee woudl be ready after his walk multiple floors upstairs |
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| 05:56.44 | password2 | run vs start |
| 05:56.53 | password2 | but i suspect you get my point |
| 05:57.00 | somiaj | the engine is running |
| 05:57.02 | somiaj | you didn't say drive |
| 05:57.13 | somiaj | though with ai, that might be possible too |
| 05:57.29 | password2 | well my point is cron will try to run anything , wether it will work is whole nother story |
| 05:57.47 | somiaj | anyways, using a cronjob to --download-only is in my opnion a wiser decision than running a dist-upgrade over night. |
| 05:58.41 | password2 | so apt-get can dl only , ok ,lol |
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| 06:28.42 | Lampion | I've just installed qemu and kvm and I'm puzzled, can I have multiple vm at the same time communicating with each other with it ? |
| 06:29.08 | somiaj | yes, though most find virt-manager a nice tool to manage them vs using kvm qemu directly |
| 06:29.17 | somiaj | well many |
| 06:29.29 | Lampion | Virt-manager, alright, thanks ! |
| 06:29.50 | somiaj | with virt-manager you can configure virtual networks, multiple vms, configure them and so on. |
| 06:30.03 | Lampion | Well, I first have to get my first machine up and running, since qemu can't install the vm, not enough space allocated. |
| 06:30.24 | Lampion | Seems like a nice tool, I'll add it as soon as I'm done with Qemu's basics. |
| 06:34.20 | Lampion | Wait, I still have another question about Qemu. |
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| 06:35.25 | Lampion | When I launch the VM it wants to install the Linux OS, I'll switch to a bootable iso as I don't want to waste time waiting for it to install, but what if I do install it ? |
| 06:36.04 | Lampion | Will I have another entire new OS inside QEMU's files, or somewhere, or will it be all deleted as soon as I shut down the VM ? |
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| 06:37.39 | somiaj | no, vms aren't deleted when you shut them down, they are like a regular machine |
| 06:37.58 | Lampion | Thanks, better go with a bootable .iso then. |
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| 06:48.08 | Fede_HC | Hello guys :) can somebody help me to add https to this? https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash . I installed it on a vps with debian 10 on it |
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| 06:49.50 | somiaj | their docs don't have a method to do that. Many web server things you can make https by using ngnix or apache2 and setting up an ssl proxy. |
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| 06:50.06 | somiaj | I run various http servers on local host, then proxy them through apache or ngnix. |
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| 06:52.24 | somiaj | https://www.filestash.app/docs/faq/ -- seems it can work over ssh, though I would look through their support to see how they suggest using this over https |
| 06:52.48 | somiaj | they even have an irc channel here on freenode, #filestash |
| 06:54.40 | Fede_HC | somiaj: already tried to contact them, did't get an answer yet. Anyway, i have to use apache or nginix to have https? Did i get it? |
| 06:56.12 | somiaj | I would just be paitent, and see whaty they suggest. |
| 06:56.53 | Fede_HC | ok ;) thx |
| 06:56.54 | somiaj | but nginx and apache2 both support proxy, so you can use their ssl certs to access http serers on localhost or a vm |
| 06:57.25 | somiaj | so due to this, many applications may not impement their own https:// protocol |
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| 07:04.38 | Fede_HC | somiaj: thank you very much |
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| 07:07.39 | invra | any easy way to uninstall some packages i installed last time i ran apt install? |
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| 07:08.09 | invra | i was trying out a wm... pulled in a bunch of packages... i now want to remove it as i dont like it |
| 07:08.13 | somiaj | invra: apt remove packagename followed by apt autoremove should get them (there are some cases where a few are left behind due to suggested/recommended depends) |
| 07:08.41 | invra | what if the list is quite big? |
| 07:08.42 | somiaj | you can look in the apt log in /var/log/apt/ to see what packages were installed too |
| 07:09.09 | invra | yeah i actually did that, but thew list is with :amd64 (blabla) |
| 07:09.12 | somiaj | apt doesn't have a revert feature, you have to remove all the packges you manually installed, and autoinstalled ones will go with it. |
| 07:09.12 | invra | i cant copy paste it |
| 07:09.18 | invra | should i sed the crap out? |
| 07:09.33 | somiaj | You can't, packagename:arch should work in multiarch settings |
| 07:09.44 | somiaj | but the log should contain the exact command you typed |
| 07:10.13 | invra | http://dpaste.com/33Y0CSR |
| 07:10.22 | somiaj | but look at the Commandline:, this is the exact command you ran |
| 07:10.23 | invra | its a bunch of packages |
| 07:10.56 | somiaj | apt remove xmonad libghc-xmonad-contrib-dev xmobar |
| 07:11.03 | somiaj | then apt autoremove to get the automatic packages |
| 07:11.15 | invra | ah ok |
| 07:11.23 | invra | ty |
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| 07:11.54 | somiaj | note there is some edge cases where one of the auto installed package is suggested by another package you already have installed, so it sometimes doens't get them all, but for the most part this is fine. |
| 07:12.28 | somiaj | but in general apt install foo, then apt remove foo && apt autoremove should remove everything that was installed outside of the above edge cases |
| 07:12.32 | invra | didnt like xmonad... cant be bothered with all that haskell nonsense |
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| 07:28.06 | bartden | hi, how can i install libfuse3 on âbuster/sidâ version, its not in the apt repo by default apparantly |
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| 07:28.33 | Haohmaru | wut kind of version is that |
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| 07:29.07 | somiaj | there is no buster/sid, you should not be mixing those two releases |
| 07:29.09 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 07:29.09 | dpkg | i heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 07:30.08 | Haohmaru | bartden if you've been naughty with apt, you ain't getting no xmas present from Santa |
| 07:30.17 | bartden | :) |
| 07:30.19 | bartden | damn |
| 07:30.35 | somiaj | !frakendebian |
| 07:30.51 | Haohmaru | !frankendebian |
| 07:30.51 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 07:32.37 | bartden | i think its ubuntu instead of debian (but /etc/debian_version shows me buster/sid) |
| 07:32.57 | Haohmaru | you're on your own with this |
| 07:34.23 | somiaj | it would have said that when buster was testing, but that is a while ago, but ubuntu wouldn't say that. |
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| 07:38.25 | petn-randall | bartden: Can you share the output of `cat /etc/os-release` with us via https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 07:38.55 | bartden | fyi, its a docker container |
| 07:38.59 | petn-randall | Ah, and also the output of `apt-cache policy` |
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| 07:40.01 | bartden | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1146857/ |
| 07:40.05 | somiaj | I would suggest getting a fresh buster docker container then. |
| 07:40.27 | Haohmaru | aww, crapbuntu |
| 07:40.37 | petn-randall | bartden: Yeah, that's a case for #ubuntu. |
| 07:40.39 | invra | lol |
| 07:40.43 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 07:40.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 07:40.56 | invra | he dont know what he is running? |
| 07:40.59 | invra | xF |
| 07:41.11 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 07:41.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:41.12 | Haohmaru | invra "linux" |
| 07:41.15 | somiaj | hmm, didn't realize ubuntu would have an /etc/debian_version stuck around, I would think they would have their own base-files. |
| 07:41.52 | invra | yoo much work |
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| 07:41.57 | invra | copy paste is faster |
| 07:42.21 | Haohmaru | somiaj i'd guess they forgot to change that cuz they were too busy adding bloat elsewhere |
| 07:42.22 | Haohmaru | ;P~ |
| 07:42.51 | invra | they were too busy with sitting up their proprietary snap servers |
| 07:43.09 | Haohmaru | adding spywarez |
| 07:43.19 | somiaj | Haohmaru: I tend to not bash other oses, people have freedom to choose what fits them best. I'm just surprised on this, because although ubuntu is based on debian, its core is quite different (it is mostly their univerise and non-core packages that come straight form debian) |
| 07:43.24 | invra | crapwarez* |
| 07:43.52 | somiaj | at some level ubuntu's core has diverged quite a bit from debian compared to most derivatives. |
| 07:44.03 | Haohmaru | somiaj you're very politically correct then ;P~ |
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| 07:44.40 | somiaj | Or I'm just here to support freedom of choice of software, though users of ubuntu should be getting proper support. |
| 07:45.05 | Haohmaru | ..in the proper channels |
| 07:45.24 | invra | ubuntu people dont give support in their channel? |
| 07:45.30 | invra | is it even on freenode? |
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| 07:46.28 | Haohmaru | my impression of ubuntu people is bad.. when i websearch something about debian, and if the only results come from askubuntu i feel scared |
| 07:46.29 | luna_ | invra: yeah |
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| 07:46.44 | somiaj | Their forum support is usually more useful than irc, but they have an irc community too. |
| 07:47.04 | tarzeau | Haohmaru: example searches? |
| 07:47.22 | invra | ah i dont know. my pihole blocks those websites, i tend to use mostly archwiki and gentoo.. i find them much more detailed |
| 07:47.36 | somiaj | though this is getting off topic, I often find very good answers on ask ubuntu's forums. |
| 07:47.57 | Haohmaru | tarzeau can't give you an example right now |
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| 07:48.55 | Haohmaru | somiaj maybe you have enough knowlage about debian/linux that you automagically filter out the dumb posts |
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| 07:49.21 | Haohmaru | to me it's not so obvious |
| 07:52.36 | Haohmaru | ideally i find relevant information from debian's wiki or documentation, if not then archlinux wiki appears well written |
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| 08:02.58 | lembron | hu, am i blind or is there no direct way to install from usb while creating a mdraid-mirror for it? - how do i go about doing this? - first liveboot, create the md and then install "with skipping the formating" or something like this? |
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| 08:15.42 | ksk | lembron: you can always install form hand so to say. Does the installer not support creating a raid even? |
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| 08:16.21 | ksk | I could imagine you either a) choose the pre-configured md-whatnot in the installer b) you use the normal debootstrap approach to installt it yourself to wherever you desire |
| 08:16.25 | ksk | !tell lembron about debootstrap |
| 08:16.36 | ksk | that might need some understanding of how that is done though. |
| 08:17.33 | ksk | !tell lembron about fixmbr |
| 08:17.44 | ksk | you would kind of need to follow the debootstrap and fixmbr steps |
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| 08:37.18 | lembron | ksk well ive only seen lvm in the installer yea.. but that said i also dont have a system with 2 diks to test here right now :P maybe it then magically shows up or so... --- and yea i kinda "Know" how i would do it manually - and totally fit to build the raid myself and all that, was just wondering mostly that there is no real info on this anywhere as it seems (or my googlefu is pretty bad at |
| 08:37.19 | lembron | least) |
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| 08:53.38 | ksk | lembron: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot -- while the article is heavily outdated (mentioning lenny), it shows some installer parts which have "raid" in it. |
| 08:54.07 | ksk | so I would assume installer supports creation of software raid on top of encryption/lvm. |
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| 08:54.34 | somiaj | I used the installer to create a software raid in stretch, so it is still there. |
| 08:54.37 | ksk | DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot (last modified 2020-04-07 10:46:24) -- not outdated after all it seems. |
| 08:55.19 | somiaj | though sometimes the installer partition tools are a bit simplistic (menus of submenus to get all the options), and if you can create the raid using another live system easier, you can just point the debian isntaller at it. |
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| 08:58.59 | ksk | yeah thats true, you somehow need to understand the installers logic to create advanced things. |
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| 09:02.38 | somiaj | I think in particular the raid stuff is a few submenus deep (at least on the text installer, and I only use expert mode, so unsure if the non-expert mode includes it) |
| 09:02.55 | somiaj | Also make sure you load additional features if needed (forget if raid was one of them or not) |
| 09:03.37 | lembron | somiaj > and if you can create the raid using another live system easier, you can just point the debian isntaller at it. < - basically my inititally mentioned "do it in liveCD, then "skip formating" hm? |
| 09:04.30 | somiaj | lembron: should be possible. Though I recall being able to create a software raid over lvm from the installer just fine. I didn't try encryption though. |
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| 09:07.00 | lembron | well, i might get to a box to try that out on later today - enc. is not needed so that shall be fine -- and i guess heck, in a worst case i install to one, build raid with missing drive, clone over and then resilver or some crap :P --- as said, i know "other methods" and was just a little buffed in the installer seemingly not having anything, but ill take a deeper look on a system with 2 actual |
| 09:07.01 | lembron | drives on this... maybe its just been hidden for me (usually most debian installs i do is in kvm with single disk :P)... |
| 09:07.41 | lembron | will report back with results :P thanks so far |
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| 09:34.41 | somiaj | lembron: I'd suggest to make sure to use the expert installer. |
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| 09:57.02 | miskatonic | to change the theme for slim, it is necessary to create manually files under /usr/share/slim . what a mess |
| 09:59.34 | ratrace | I wonder why Debian is keeping slim around. it's abandonware and doesn't work properly with systemd |
| 09:59.57 | Unit193 | Use openrc! :P |
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| 10:01.29 | miskatonic | is openrc available at all for debian? |
| 10:01.45 | ratrace | yes |
| 10:01.52 | ratrace | ,v openrc |
| 10:01.53 | judd | Package: openrc on amd64 -- jessie: 0.13.1-4; stretch: 0.23-1+b1; bullseye: 0.40.3-1; buster: 0.40.3-1; sid: 0.40.3-2 |
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| 10:05.22 | miskatonic | for a daemon started manually by root, does it matter whether systemd or openrc are running? I was able to starte slim as root and shut it down from a console at runtime |
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| 10:07.58 | ratrace | miskatonic: problem is in logind, as slim doesn't like it |
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| 10:14.51 | miskatonic | I've looked at other dm s, but slim seems to be the only one usable in a mouseless manner |
| 10:15.31 | invra | 0i am having trouble with my PATH variable, for some reason on every debian install i do i alwlays end up with a messed up PATH |
| 10:16.20 | ratrace | invra: messed how? |
| 10:16.35 | invra | well its missing paths |
| 10:16.40 | miskatonic | invra: do you login on the console or graphically? |
| 10:16.51 | invra | lightdm |
| 10:17.07 | ratrace | invra: can you give an example? |
| 10:17.19 | invra | echo $PATH |
| 10:17.21 | invra | /home/invra/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/invra/.bin |
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| 10:18.53 | ratrace | invra: and what is missing |
| 10:19.13 | invra | zsh: command not found: grub-install |
| 10:19.14 | miskatonic | yeah, the path does not sound quite unreasonable as it is |
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| 10:19.35 | invra | whereis grub-install |
| 10:19.37 | invra | grub-install: /usr/sbin/grub-install /usr/share/man/man8/grub-install.8.gz |
| 10:20.08 | invra | i am using zsh |
| 10:20.09 | Lope | I plugged in a hotswap SATA hard drive while I had a VM booting up, and my whole system froze. I guess I should let the system idle when I connect hard drives in future. |
| 10:20.35 | ratrace | invra: /sbin is not in $PATH by default on Debian |
| 10:20.37 | Lope | Anyway, now it's complaining that it can't find the apparmour profile for qemu-system-x86-64 |
| 10:20.47 | invra | ratrace: why? |
| 10:21.08 | miskatonic | sbin programs are for sysadmins, so users don't usually need to access them |
| 10:21.30 | ratrace | invra: because /sbin is supposed to be used by root, not unprivileged users. you can always add it to your PATH if you want. |
| 10:21.34 | invra | well as root i cant access it aswell |
| 10:21.44 | ratrace | invra: you're not logging in as root correctly then |
| 10:21.45 | towo^work | invra, use su - instead of su |
| 10:21.47 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 10:21.47 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 10:22.15 | miskatonic | yeah, the new su demeanour has already caused a lot of confusion |
| 10:22.28 | tarzeau | ratrace: i keep using ifconfig as user |
| 10:22.31 | invra | what is that - for |
| 10:22.40 | miskatonic | and there is still sudo |
| 10:23.10 | invra | grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. |
| 10:23.15 | miskatonic | ifconfig is for changing network interface configuration, such as routing defaults |
| 10:23.32 | Lope | ratrace, any idea how to fix an apparmour that's gone missing cos my PC crashed while a VM was booting? |
| 10:23.45 | Lope | apparmour profile |
| 10:23.58 | miskatonic | users can execute those program for seeing configuration settings but not modify them |
| 10:24.07 | invra | so confusing... |
| 10:24.12 | invra | i su - and i got that |
| 10:24.22 | uebera|| | Hi. Is there an easier way to insert multiple comments into debian/changelog with dch apart from using a placeholder which can then be replaced by a newline thanks to tr/sed? |
| 10:25.05 | ratrace | tarzeau: yes some /sbin programs can be run as unprivileged users. I never said the /sbin for privileged users was a wise choice :) |
| 10:25.12 | Lope | I found the profile it's complaining about. the file is now 0 bytes in size. |
| 10:25.27 | ratrace | (in my case it's messing use of zfs and zpool which can and should be run unprivileged for informational purposes) |
| 10:25.32 | Lope | I've got another similar PC, will try copy it off. |
| 10:25.40 | invra | how do i isntall grub in debian |
| 10:25.45 | ratrace | Lope: what profile? |
| 10:25.57 | invra | its missing files by deafault |
| 10:26.00 | ratrace | invra: grub-install /dev/<device> as root |
| 10:26.05 | ratrace | invra: no it's not |
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| 10:26.48 | ratrace | invra: and learn to use manpages. look up the su(1) manpage to see what - or -l do |
| 10:27.30 | Lope | ratrace, I was busy starting a VM, and while that was happening I powered on a bunch of SATA drives. |
| 10:27.38 | Lope | Then my PC crashed (usually doesn't happen) |
| 10:28.05 | ratrace | sounds like you don't have hot-pluggable drives or controller(s) |
| 10:28.09 | Lope | after rebooting, virt-manager won't start the VM, complains of a missing apparmour profile. I found the profile but it's 0 bytes. seems to have gotten corrupted. Unfortunately I don't have a backup. |
| 10:28.11 | invra | ratrace: https://bpa.st/RQFA |
| 10:28.29 | Lope | ratrace, they are hot pluggable, but maybe it's not good to do it while a VM is starting up. |
| 10:28.46 | Lope | I hot plug them all the time |
| 10:28.54 | Lope | but usually do it while the system is sortof idle |
| 10:29.04 | ratrace | Lope: drives in use by those VMs? |
| 10:29.23 | Lope | nah, the vm was running from a zvol that's not related |
| 10:29.32 | ratrace | then it's unrelated or oyu really don't have hot-pluggable drives or controller(s), and hot-plugging them so far without apparent ill effects was just lucky shots |
| 10:29.38 | Lope | ratrace, oh, cool. |
| 10:29.48 | Lope | i just deleted the 0 bytes profile, now the vm is booting :) |
| 10:29.51 | invra | well my grub is missing stuff |
| 10:30.03 | invra | more precisely /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh |
| 10:30.07 | ratrace | Lope: could also be a bug in udev not catching hotplug events from the controller(s) |
| 10:30.08 | Lope | it's booted \_@_/ |
| 10:30.37 | Lope | but this does make me realize I should backup haha. |
| 10:30.45 | Lope | ratrace, could be. |
| 10:31.14 | ratrace | invra: grub has multiple packages, maybe you need to install grub-efi |
| 10:34.22 | invra | oh ty |
| 10:34.30 | invra | didnt think it was separate packages |
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| 11:24.12 | miskatonic | other display managers also need manual fumbling with /usr/share/* |
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| 11:31.54 | somiaj | miskatonic: more context? Usually one doesn't want to manual edit files in /usr/share |
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| 11:35.11 | somiaj | oh I see, yea does seems strange you have to edit your themes manually in /usr/share/sli/themes |
| 11:40.56 | ratrace | slim is dead since 2013. long live lightdm. |
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| 11:58.21 | Haohmaru | ,v kicad |
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| 11:59.10 | Haohmaru | <soon.jpg> |
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| 12:08.33 | miskatonic | why is it bad if a display manager does not work with logind? |
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| 12:24.56 | ratrace | miskatonic: because that's its core functionality, to interact with the user session manager, because it logs in the user and configures the session. |
| 12:25.34 | ratrace | it works with consolekit, but that's long abandoned even in non-systemd systems (where now elogind takes place) |
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| 12:39.06 | miskatonic | then I stick to startx, which works with systemd |
| 12:39.30 | Haohmaru | o hai therr mr Rue |
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| 12:39.41 | Rue | hi |
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| 12:51.58 | ratrace | miskatonic: why not lightdm? |
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| 12:52.44 | miskatonic | does lightdm work with ratpoison? That window manager does not provide a session file |
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| 12:55.34 | ratrace | miskatonic: dunno, but it works with i3-wm just fine. |
| 12:55.51 | ratrace | (and I don't think i3 does anything session wise either) |
| 12:56.00 | Haohmaru | i think i might have tried this ratpoison as a window manager via LXDE |
| 12:56.17 | ratrace | ~/.xsessionrc will work under lightdm any way |
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| 13:06.23 | keropok | away.. |
| 13:08.20 | annadane | what is people's workaround for .profile if they're also using lightdm? |
| 13:09.23 | ratrace | annadane: ~/.xsessionrc here, to set up PATH for example |
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| 13:10.02 | budlight | whats a good gui for formatting drives |
| 13:10.22 | diogenes_ | budlight, gparted and gnome-disk-utility. |
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| 13:10.49 | budlight | gparted is that gui |
| 13:11.02 | diogenes_ | budlight, absolutely. |
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| 13:13.27 | budlight | ty |
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| 13:23.29 | miskatonic | would a line "/bin/dash -l $HOME/.xinitrc" in .xsessionrc work? Or in .xsession (without the rc)? |
| 13:25.22 | ratrace | miskatonic: why on earth would you do that. isn't .xsessionrc enough? |
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| 13:28.35 | miskatonic | an empty .xsessionrc ? |
| 13:29.12 | ratrace | no I mean put in .xsessionrc any config stuff you would in .xinitrc |
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| 13:46.36 | brutser | i try to meson build some package on debian 10, but i get the following error: meson.build:236:4: ERROR: C library 'acl' not found - i checked but libc6 and libc6-dev are installed. what could be missing here? |
| 13:47.32 | ratrace | brutser: missing libacl1-dev ? |
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| 13:48.13 | brutser | ratrace: yep thx |
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| 14:04.08 | goerff | My second external monitory isn't being detected in xfce. How do I troubleshoot this? |
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| 14:37.01 | bolovanos_ | Is there a way to contact maintainer of specific debian package? |
| 14:38.52 | Wulf | bolovanos_: find out who it is, contact them |
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| 14:39.14 | bolovanos_ | Wulf, hi - found this "for each package. Any mail sent to <package name>@packages.debian.org" |
| 14:39.43 | Wulf | bolovanos_: huh... didn't know about that one |
| 14:40.00 | bolovanos_ | Wulf, https://www.debian.org/contact.en.html |
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| 14:41.30 | Wulf | bolovanos_: you can also use "apt show <pkgname> | grep ^Maintainer" |
| 14:42.16 | bolovanos_ | Wulf, good one :) |
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| 14:42.41 | Wulf | dpkg: !help |
| 14:42.41 | dpkg | no idea, Wulf |
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| 14:42.59 | Wulf | bolovanos_: and I guess that bot could help you too |
| 14:43.37 | bolovanos_ | Wulf, thank you for your assistance |
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| 15:08.37 | oxek | I am trying to copy some files to a NTFS drive. When the file does not exist on the drive yet, all is good. When the file exists, and i get asked to overwrite it, it does not succeed and instead creates a .fuse_hidden000009a0000001 file in the same directory. |
| 15:08.41 | oxek | how do I fix this? |
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| 15:10.30 | abrotman | did you try -f ? |
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| 15:11.49 | oxek | I'll try |
| 15:12.03 | oxek | ok, it does the same behavior |
| 15:12.25 | oxek | actually it is weird, the .fuse_hidden contains the copy of the old file, and the new file replaces the old file |
| 15:12.35 | oxek | but this makes GUI apps like FreeFileSync not work |
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| 15:18.08 | somebody | Hello. How can I restart KWin / KDE on Debian 8 live stick without losing my session entirely? |
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| 15:18.34 | somebody | I tried systemctl, killall, kquitapp5, but none worked |
| 15:18.51 | somebody | (tried that from another virtual console) |
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| 15:20.09 | diogenes_ | somebody, kwin --help standard way should be: killall kwin && kwin --replace |
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| 15:21.06 | somebody | diogenes_, FATAL ERROR while trying to open display |
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| 15:21.24 | somebody | (this was never a problem before) |
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| 15:22.21 | diogenes_ | somebody, env | grep DISPLAY |
| 15:22.31 | petn-randall | somebody: Is there a reason you're using an antique version of Debian? |
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| 15:23.08 | somebody | petn-randall, my disk broke, need to finish work before troubleshooting |
| 15:23.21 | somebody | diogenes_, it doesn't say anything |
| 15:25.01 | diogenes_ | somebody, you need to export display i suspect. |
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| 15:25.24 | somebody | diogenes_, what does this mean? |
| 15:26.15 | petn-randall | somebody: You're not the only one wondering... |
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| 15:28.05 | diogenes_ | somebody, try: export DISPLAY="DISPLAY=:0.0:$DISPLAY" |
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| 15:30.44 | somebody | now it says fatal error plus display name, diogenes_ |
| 15:31.31 | diogenes_ | somebody, env | grep DISPLAY |
| 15:32.58 | somebody | DISPLAY=DISPLAY=:0.0: |
| 15:33.10 | somebody | diogenes_, ^ |
| 15:34.56 | Meteorhead | strange, my computer is too slow to boot, I've ran systemd-analyze |
| 15:34.59 | Meteorhead | I get this; http://paste.debian.net/1146912/ |
| 15:35.01 | Meteorhead | is it normal? |
| 15:35.36 | diogenes_ | somebody, i forgot the exact syntax, try: export DISPLAY=":0.0$DISPLAY" |
| 15:35.56 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: More interesting is the output of `systemd-analyze critical-chain`. |
| 15:36.24 | diogenes_ | somebody, env | grep DISPLAY should give DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 15:38.12 | somebody | it now gives this, diogenes_: DISPLAY=0.0DISPLAY=:0.0: |
| 15:38.13 | Meteorhead | petn-randall, thanks! It gave me this, snapd and luks seem to be culprits http://paste.debian.net/1146915/ |
| 15:38.23 | Meteorhead | Im willing to get rid of anything to speed it up a bit |
| 15:38.28 | somebody | and kwin still gets a fatal error |
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| 15:39.20 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: 20s to desktop doesn't sounds very slow to me. |
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| 15:39.52 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: Note that the luks wait time also measures the time you need to type the password. |
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| 15:41.47 | Meteorhead | petn-randall, thank you, does this mean: Startup finished in 6.240s (firmware) + 3.115s (loader) + 9.946s (kernel) + 21.150s (userspace) = 40.453s |
| 15:41.47 | Meteorhead | graphical.target reached after 21.121s in userspace |
| 15:41.51 | Meteorhead | is normal then? |
| 15:42.12 | Meteorhead | I've added a keyfile for LUKS so I no longer type the password :) |
| 15:46.18 | somebody | diogenes_, you know what, never mind |
| 15:46.40 | somebody | I'll make another live stick - thanks for trying to help |
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| 16:00.07 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: That kinda runs counter to the goal of LUKS, though. |
| 16:00.18 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: Does your kernel really take 10s to load? |
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| 16:04.36 | Meteorhead | petn-randall, well yes and the weird thing is I'm using the kernel that shipped with debian, didn't recompile anything |
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| 16:13.24 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: How are you measuring it? |
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| 16:15.02 | goerff | anyone know how to get debian to recognize a second external monitor? |
| 16:16.32 | Meteorhead | petn-randall, well I'm just trusting "systemd-analyze", no way to tell if it's accurate though |
| 16:16.40 | petn-randall | goerff: They're usually just plug and play, unless you have an antique video output. |
| 16:17.28 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: Where does it say that the kernels loads in 10s? |
| 16:17.51 | goerff | petn-randall: unfortunately, it's not plug and play for me! only one of my two external monitors is recognized |
| 16:18.13 | petn-randall | goerff: What video output is it connected to? |
| 16:18.17 | Meteorhead | I thought this: Startup finished in 6.240s (firmware) + 3.115s (loader) + 9.946s (kernel) + 21.150s (userspace) = 40.453s |
| 16:18.28 | Meteorhead | the kernel is booting in 9.946s |
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| 16:18.38 | Meteorhead | but I could be wrong |
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| 16:19.10 | petn-randall | Meteorhead: Ah, ok. Where do you see this output, though? |
| 16:19.12 | goerff | petn-randall: both are connected to my gpu |
| 16:19.34 | petn-randall | goerff: What connector are you using though? |
| 16:20.14 | goerff | petn-randall: one is hdmi, the other is dp |
| 16:20.20 | goerff | the one that's working is dp |
| 16:21.10 | petn-randall | goerff: Does connecting only the HDMI monitor work? |
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| 16:25.11 | goerff | petn-randall: I restarted my computer with only the hdmi cable in, now the second monitor is recognized as the primary |
| 16:25.27 | goerff | I've plugged the dp monitor back in, it's not recognized |
| 16:25.51 | goerff | so it will detect either, just not at the same time |
| 16:25.52 | Meteorhead | petn-randall, ah yes sorry, I just typed "systemd-analyze" in Konsole |
| 16:25.52 | petn-randall | goerff: Ok, cool, so know we know that output + monitor works. What GPU do you have? |
| 16:26.00 | goerff | radeon 5600 xt |
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| 16:27.14 | petn-randall | goerff: That's a fairly new GPU. I'd try running with a kernel from backports, that might help with your issue. |
| 16:27.32 | goerff | petn-randall: eef, I don't really know what that means :/ |
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| 16:28.02 | petn-randall | !buster backports |
| 16:28.02 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 16:28.05 | petn-randall | goerff: ^^^ |
| 16:28.21 | petn-randall | You enable backports and then install a newer kernel. |
| 16:28.27 | goerff | petn-randall: I'm on bullseye tho |
| 16:28.33 | petn-randall | Oooooh. |
| 16:28.37 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:28.38 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 16:28.48 | petn-randall | goerff: Then let's continue in the right channel. ^^^ |
| 16:28.53 | goerff | lol ok |
| 16:29.10 | goerff | petn-randall: it says it requires an invite |
| 16:29.11 | petn-randall | Chances are better that someone ran into the issue before and knows a workaround. |
| 16:29.23 | petn-randall | goerff: Did you read the whole factoid? |
| 16:29.25 | petn-randall | :) |
| 16:29.32 | goerff | got it :) |
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| 16:49.30 | mspe | hi |
| 16:49.46 | mspe | is it possible to tell d-i to use file:// ? |
| 16:49.51 | mspe | to use a local mirror |
| 16:50.10 | mspe | the installer only lets you choose from ftp, http and https |
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| 16:52.58 | n_1-c_k | mspe, yes, or at least I did in 2011. |
| 16:53.19 | mspe | is there an argument for the kerel to do that? |
| 16:53.33 | mspe | I can't find anything |
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| 16:54.12 | mspe | preseed doc seems to only talk about ftp and http also |
| 16:54.52 | n_1-c_k | With the installer, I have no idea. This was my own local repository, added after installing. |
| 16:54.56 | Ashmit | I have a Debian 9 OS installed on my VPS. I am running an Unreal IRCd 5.0.4. I can connect all my ipv4 and ssl connections. But however, my ipv6.* doesnt work. Is it something to do with ufw or ip6tables I have installed on my root? |
| 16:55.23 | mspe | yeah no, I'm talking about install time |
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| 16:55.35 | mspe | after install is trivial, yes |
| 16:55.56 | mspe | but since I'm used to use my local mirror |
| 16:56.10 | mspe | I find it silly to use iso images when I want to make a new install |
| 16:56.13 | sney | Ashmit: have you confirmed that your ipv6 routes are valid? can you ping6 your vps from another ipv6 host? |
| 16:56.17 | mspe | when I already have up to date mirrors locally |
| 16:56.26 | mspe | or use remote mirrors |
| 16:56.41 | n_1-c_k | mspe, drop into a shell and edit sources.list? |
| 16:56.41 | mspe | that use much of my monthly quota |
| 16:57.15 | mspe | oh I thought the installer had a special behavior |
| 16:57.25 | mspe | you think it uses a regular sources.list file? |
| 16:57.27 | Ashmit | sney nope i guess |
| 16:57.52 | n_1-c_k | mspe: I don't know, just a guess. G'luck. |
| 16:57.56 | Ashmit | sney Need to command to enable port and connections of ip6tables |
| 16:57.59 | sney | Ashmit: your vps provider probably has instructions for getting ipv6 connected, they will have their own gateway that you need to use |
| 16:58.14 | Ashmit | I have the gateway and everything else works |
| 16:58.18 | mspe | n_1-c_k: didn't even think about that, thank you for the suggestion, gonna try it |
| 16:58.26 | Ashmit | someone the ipv6.servername.net isnt getting connected to irc |
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| 16:59.56 | sney | Ashmit: if you can't ping6 the server from another ipv6 host then that is the problem, you don't have routing. irc will only work once you have routes to the internet |
| 17:00.33 | Ashmit | My zncs are connected via ipv6 to other irc networks. sney |
| 17:00.38 | Ashmit | so that means they work, right? |
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| 17:00.52 | Ashmit | My zncs are installed on the same vps |
| 17:01.15 | sney | then why did you say "nope" when I asked if you could ping6 it... |
| 17:01.30 | Ashmit | I didnt understand it. I was pretty confused with the mess. |
| 17:01.33 | Ashmit | Sorry. |
| 17:01.44 | sney | anyway, it's unlikely to be a firewall issue unless your vps provider set up ufw. debian does not ship with a firewall configured by default. |
| 17:01.57 | Ashmit | I set up the ufw myself |
| 17:02.06 | Ashmit | but I did sudo ufw disable |
| 17:02.12 | Ashmit | and then also its not getting connected. |
| 17:02.30 | Ashmit | should I just uninstall the ufw? |
| 17:03.58 | Ashmit | Okay removed ufw, however it shows host unreacable. |
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| 17:21.36 | dacencora | Should my xorg.conf go in /etc/X11 or in /usr/share/X11? |
| 17:21.46 | dacencora | One of them overrides the other, right? |
| 17:22.22 | sney | stuff in /usr/share will be overwritten by dpkg. /etc/X11 is where you should put your custom stuff |
| 17:22.47 | dacencora | Ok cool. Thanks |
| 17:22.54 | sney | np |
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| 17:27.55 | cybercrypto | Hi there, kind of direction here... who does support 'nouveau' driver? distro-specific problems or nouveau maintainers? |
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| 17:29.32 | sney | cybercrypto: the debian X team maintains it, the freedesktop people develop it upstream |
| 17:29.53 | sney | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 17:31.16 | ratrace | that's just the xorg module, but the actual driver is in-kernel. the maintainers are listed here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/linux/MAINTAINERS |
| 17:31.57 | sney | ctrl+f nouveau |
| 17:32.01 | sney | oh look at that, freedesktop |
| 17:32.39 | sney | though it is true that the kernel team is involved as well. |
| 17:33.14 | cybercrypto | sney: great. I have been facing system freezes due to nouveau crashes. Debian 10 is not of use if I set to wayland.... in the other hand... when I start X, it starts.... but fails and freezes a lot... |
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| 17:34.19 | cybercrypto | sney: I will read it, collect input data and try to contact then and check if it is valid to report this issue back to them. |
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| 17:36.18 | sney | cybercrypto: some nvidia gpus need firmware from userspace when using the nouveau driver. do you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed? |
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| 17:38.27 | cybercrypto | sney: This GPU is old enough for a big laugth. Believe me... I it is from the 90's. I will check your advise anyway cause I am not sure. |
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| 17:38.44 | cybercrypto | sney: If i am not sure, that means: probably it is not installed. |
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| 17:42.16 | cybercrypto | sney: Not installed. I will install and give it a try with wayland (i know for sure that wayland is not even starting currently)... so let me check, |
| 17:42.32 | cybercrypto | sney: thanks for the guidance |
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| 17:45.16 | ws2k3 | i cant seem to remove this package dpkg: error processing package clamav-unofficial-sigs (--purge): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 how should i remove this? |
| 17:45.35 | ws2k3 | even dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq clamav-unofficial-sigs does not get the job done |
| 17:46.04 | somiaj | ws2k3: the post removal script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pagkagname.postrm |
| 17:46.32 | somiaj | oh sorry, preremoval, so *.prerm, anyways you can edit the script to fix it so it dosen't error out |
| 17:46.54 | somiaj | the line above the one you pasted should give you more information why it errored out, putting a 'set -x' at the top will give you far more info too |
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| 17:48.04 | ws2k3 | somiaj changed set -e to set -x and tryed again. and now its gone. thank you |
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| 17:49.46 | somiaj | hmm, that shouldn't have fixed the error, but it should have told you what the error was. Anyways, seems like the script ran properly now |
| 17:50.20 | ws2k3 | somiaj jup. and i just wanted it gone. and that worked so thx! |
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| 17:54.55 | dacencora | hey guys. I have a laptop that allows for selecting the discrete GPU as the only video card, I have done this because I typically have issues with bumblebee, but I cannot remember how to make the backlight work. I have Gentoo installed on a separate hard drive and screen brightness there works like a charm. |
| 17:55.20 | dacencora | On Gentoo, /sys/class/backlight has NVIDIA_0 |
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| 17:55.35 | dacencora | On this Debian install, /sys/class/backlight is acpi_0 |
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| 17:59.05 | f8e4 | are hardlink'd files good for sharing the same file between two users? i dont want to use groups nor acls |
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| 18:46.02 | EvanCarroll | did I miss something or is it normal for the debian installer to whipe an ssd? |
| 18:46.05 | EvanCarroll | wipe* |
| 18:46.29 | jhutchins | EvanCarroll: Depends on what options you choose. |
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| 18:54.02 | f8e4 | EvanCarroll i rect my ssd with debian installer, poweroff during format, went deep into firmware, no luck |
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| 18:58.03 | jmcnaught | if you cancel it just continues on with the next step in preparing the drives |
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| 19:19.07 | EvanCarroll | how do I cancel it? |
| 19:19.12 | EvanCarroll | escape? |
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| 19:19.40 | EvanCarroll | ahhh |
| 19:19.42 | EvanCarroll | that's cool! |
| 19:19.50 | EvanCarroll | I didn't know I could hit the cancel button and skip that process. |
| 19:19.59 | EvanCarroll | That'll save me like 3 hours on a 2TB |
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| 19:21.38 | Ooze | Why does my swp partition keep filling up and how do I fix it? |
| 19:21.58 | kristijonas | Just freshed intalled Buster on my Lenovo laptop (nonfree image with firmware included since I needed iwlwifi during the setup). Now gave it a try to install Bumblebee: https://paste.debian.net/1146941/ is it safe to reboot the system? Don't want the any crashes. |
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| 19:24.48 | BalooRJ | Hello, I'm trying to install blueman for Debian Buster, getting this error: blueman : Depends: libpython3.5 (>= 3.5.0~b1) but it is not installable Depends: python3 (< 3.6) but 3.7.3-1 is to be installed |
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| 19:31.32 | somiaj | !bat |
| 19:31.33 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:32.01 | somiaj | BalooRJ: please provide the output of apt policy, apt policy blueman libpython3.5 python3 |
| 19:32.03 | dacencora | Does anyone know how to get brightness control working on a dGPU nvidia laptop |
| 19:33.15 | BalooRJ | blueman: |
| 19:33.15 | BalooRJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.15 | BalooRJ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.31 | BalooRJ | python3: |
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| 19:35.10 | somiaj | BalooRJ: Plese don't flood the channel, use paste.debian.net. |
| 19:35.18 | BalooRJ | Sorry about that. Should have read closer. |
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| 19:36.57 | BalooRJ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1146945 - Does this work somiaj |
| 19:38.09 | somiaj | BalooRJ: you are also missing apt policy output |
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| 19:38.44 | somiaj | BalooRJ: anyways the issue is you are trying to install a package from some third party repo for deb9-xfce, which isn't compadable with debian 10, and thus the package cannot be installed. |
| 19:39.00 | somiaj | In general you need to be careful when mixing repos, you shoudln't mix repos for debian 9 with debian 10. |
| 19:39.03 | somiaj | !frankendebian |
| 19:39.03 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 19:39.25 | somiaj | In this case, trying to install a package that is designed for debian 9 (stretch) in debian 10 (buster) is causing the issues. |
| 19:40.02 | BalooRJ | Gotcha, I think I know what is causing this. I added a repo to install gcdemu. I'll remove it now and see if that does the trick. Thank you! |
| 19:40.59 | BalooRJ | That did the trick! Thank you |
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| 19:42.19 | EvanCarroll | How do you connect to the wifi with the installed debian distro from the non-free installer wo/ Desktop GUI? I would have assumed it would install NetworkManager but it didn't, it didn't install wpa_supplicant either |
| 19:42.22 | somiaj | in the future don't install random repos like that, you could have other issues on your system due to installing imcompadable packages in the future. |
| 19:42.37 | BalooRJ | somiaj - Understood |
| 19:42.57 | kristijonas | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1146941/ am I good to go to reboot ? Wasn't sure if I should install a free nouveau or nvidia proprietary driver. |
| 19:43.01 | EvanCarroll | I chose not to install a desktop at all, because I wanted t install Sway and it wasn't on that list. |
| 19:43.38 | somiaj | EvanCarroll: debian uses its own tools, /etc/network/interfaces, by default. If you used wifi during the install process, the installer will put the wifi info in that file, if your wifi card is listed in that file network manager will ignore it. You can delete the lines of the wifi in that file and network manager will see the card again. |
| 19:44.03 | somiaj | EvanCarroll: you can use any tool you want to manage your network, you don't have to use debian's interfaces file, but in general you should use a single tool/method. |
| 19:44.42 | EvanCarroll | network manager isn't installed, and there is nothing in etc/network/interfaces not interfaces.d/*. I'm using Bullseye Alpha 2 |
| 19:44.55 | EvanCarroll | somiaj: I just want to know what tool it installed. ;) |
| 19:45.05 | EvanCarroll | If you don't install a desktop, does it not install *any* tool? |
| 19:45.36 | somiaj | kristijonas: I have no idea how to use bumblebee and optimus, I avoid that hardware. Anyways, looks like you might benifit from the package firmware-misc-nonfree if you want to continue to use nouveau. Using nouveau vs the non-free nvidia blob is your choice. |
| 19:45.53 | somiaj | EvanCarroll: ahh nice, sorry just use to explaining the details a bit more. |
| 19:46.23 | EvanCarroll | eI used the non-free with the graphical installer and skipped desktop installation, it completed and it told me to reboot. |
| 19:46.34 | EvanCarroll | Now I have no tools wpa-supplicant or NetworkManager |
| 19:47.02 | somiaj | wpasupplicant should be installed, and if you configured your network with the installer, it hsould be in the interfaces file. |
| 19:47.19 | EvanCarroll | then this is a bug/regression |
| 19:47.26 | EvanCarroll | because I did, and it's not. |
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| 19:49.13 | somiaj | hmm, maybe it only installs wpasupplicant if you used wirless during the install. I know the netinstaller includes that package. |
| 19:49.30 | EvanCarroll | actually it did install supplicant. |
| 19:49.55 | EvanCarroll | so I was wrong on that. |
| 19:49.58 | somiaj | oh good, I thought it should, but maybe it only does it if wifi is detected. |
| 19:49.59 | EvanCarroll | Ok well, I can make that work |
| 19:50.09 | EvanCarroll | that still kinda sucks, would have liked to have network manager |
| 19:50.18 | EvanCarroll | now I gotta remember the pre-NM days before nmtui |
| 19:50.19 | somiaj | you can confgure this all from the interfaces file. Though personally I use wpa-supplicant in roam mode |
| 19:50.32 | somiaj | the interfaces file makes configuring the network really easy |
| 19:51.35 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line -- all you need if using dpch is the few lines listed under my wifi device section |
| 19:52.13 | somiaj | I would leave off the auto line, I would then say 'ifup wlp2s0', then isntall network manager and use that if that is what you prefer (delete the lines from the interfaces file once nm is installed) |
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| 20:23.21 | oxek | which package contains the firmware for nouveau? |
| 20:23.53 | sney | !nouveau firmware |
| 20:23.53 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware for the nouveau <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-misc-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features in the <nouveau> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. |
| 20:24.19 | cybercrypto | oxek: I dont know exactly if there are many others, but I have installed one today: firmware-misc-non-free |
| 20:24.38 | oxek | I already had firmware-misc-nonfree installed but /lib/firmware/nouveau does not exist |
| 20:24.39 | cybercrypto | :-) yeah... that one, sney told me earlier. |
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| 20:25.11 | oxek | so it might have been split from that package and I can't find where it is now |
| 20:25.19 | sney | oxek: the path is /lib/firmware/nvidia |
| 20:25.28 | sney | see 'modinfo nouveau' |
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| 20:26.36 | oxek | yeah that's the one, looks like nouveau webpage has outdated info |
| 20:26.54 | oxek | firmware is still not loading though, but at least I verified one thing |
| 20:27.48 | sney | firmware-nonfree in debian is from july 2019, so if your gpu is new enough it may not have files in there |
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| 20:28.01 | oxek | oh it is a 10yo card |
| 20:28.20 | oxek | so it should be supported nicely by now |
| 20:28.22 | sney | not that, then. |
| 20:29.08 | cybercrypto | sney: wayland still not working (graphical.target gets crashed) with stripes... using X, it is 'a little bit' more stable so far... only 1 crash so far |
| 20:29.53 | sney | you're the one with the geforce2 or something, right? I would be surprised if wayland ever works on that |
| 20:30.17 | sney | but also, repeated video crashes with visual artifacts are a *strong* indicator of a hardware problem |
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| 20:32.07 | cybercrypto | sney: Igree, but it is not the case. Dual boot with no crash ever on the other system. I did that test. I am very, very curious. |
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| 20:33.18 | sney | windows and linux drivers are different animals. you can have a partially-broken device that works perfectly in one OS but not the other. so if you're dual booting with windows that doesn't necessarily mean the gpu is fine |
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| 20:33.44 | sney | has rescued several devices over the years that were unusable on windows but still ok with linux |
| 20:34.31 | cybercrypto | sney: same true on the oposite. Not working on linux, does not means that is HW broken still. |
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| 20:42.55 | cybercrypto | sney: nvidia is known for never collaborate with linux. Never. They are very good making things harder even.... |
| 20:43.20 | sney | yeah but the hardware is typically solid and the driver support for older models is fine |
| 20:43.46 | sney | VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GTX 650] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 3 |
| 20:44.11 | sney | this one is a little newer than yours but you get the idea |
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| 20:44.54 | oxek | which linux headers package do I need to install? There are so many to choose from. is linux-headers-amd64 the one? |
| 20:44.58 | leptone | Iâm trying to run: mount -o rw,remount / |
| 20:44.58 | leptone | from this guide: https://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo |
| 20:44.58 | leptone | And Iâm getting this output: EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
| 20:45.00 | leptone | Is that telling me that it wasnât mounted rw like the command executed seems to want it? |
| 20:45.03 | sney | oxek: yes |
| 20:45.52 | sney | leptone: that howto is from 2012 and would be outdated on ubuntu, never mind debian |
| 20:46.27 | leptone | sney: know where I might find a better one? Pretty new to debian |
| 20:46.38 | sney | leptone: but it looks like the command succeeded, anyway |
| 20:47.04 | sney | if you run 'mount' with no arguments it'll list your mounted filesystems and their options, you should be able to see if / is rw |
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| 20:52.30 | jhutchins | ,v blender |
| 20:52.31 | judd | Package: blender on amd64 -- jessie: 2.72.b+dfsg0-3; jessie-security: 2.72.b+dfsg0-3+deb8u1; stretch: 2.79.b+dfsg0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.79.b+dfsg0-1~deb9u1; buster: 2.79.b+dfsg0-7; bullseye: 2.82.a+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 2.82.a+dfsg-1+b2 |
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| 21:34.55 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 21:35.59 | Azrael_- | i have here some old machines and soon want to update, but when i run apt i get this message and haven't found a way yet to update the key: W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org jessie Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1587841717 |
| 21:36.46 | sney | there's an apt option for skipping signature checks |
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| 21:37.09 | Azrael_- | this would resolve this? |
| 21:37.30 | sney | it would let you bypass that message until you're on a more recent release |
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| 21:37.54 | sney | though make sure your system clock is accurate, that can cause problems with pki |
| 21:38.03 | Azrael_- | so on the current release i have no option to update the key to a current one? |
| 21:38.20 | Azrael_- | the system clock is up to date |
| 21:40.20 | Azrael_- | even "apt-get --allow-unauthenticated update" brings the same error message |
| 21:40.35 | sney | I suppose you could download debian-archive-keyring from packages.debian.org |
| 21:40.48 | sney | I can't remember if it covers archive.debian.org but it probably does |
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| 21:44.28 | Azrael_- | tried the keyring but didn't solve it :( |
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| 23:13.50 | hl521 | Hey, I'm trying to install zoneminder on one of my debian servers, yet it's stopping on an issue with libpng12. It asks me to run apt --fix-broken install, and it fails upon trying to fix. I'm really confused how you're supposed to fix borked dependencies on Debian |
| 23:14.32 | sney | !bat |
| 23:14.33 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 23:15.21 | Arrowmaster | libpng12 was last available in debian jessie, you are trying to install a package created for an old version of debian |
| 23:16.36 | hl521 | that's interesting, maybe zoneminder doesn't have up to date packages |
| 23:16.44 | hl521 | I know Ubiquiti struggles with the same issue |
| 23:16.52 | sney | ,v zoneminder |
| 23:16.53 | judd | Package: zoneminder on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.30.4+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 1.34.11-1; sid: 1.34.11-1; stretch-multimedia: 2:1.30.4-dmo1+deb9u2; buster-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo4+deb10u2; bullseye-multimedia: 2:1.34.12-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 2:1.34.13-dmo1 |
| 23:17.37 | sney | oh, not on buster. where did your package come from? |
| 23:18.41 | sponix | ,v rtorrent |
| 23:18.42 | judd | Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1 |
| 23:18.55 | sponix | ,v apache2 |
| 23:18.56 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u3; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u3; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.4.43-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.4.43-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.43-1; sid: 2.4.43-1 |
| 23:19.08 | sney | sponix: please do /msg judd v packagename so you don't clutter the channel |
| 23:19.27 | Arrowmaster | or use packages.debian.org |
| 23:19.41 | sponix | sney: sorry.. I always forget it can (and most likely should) be private |
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| 23:20.11 | hl521 | sney: I was reading the guide from this link https://wiki.zoneminder.com/Debian_10_Buster_with_Zoneminder_1.34.x_from_ZM_Repo |
| 23:21.05 | sney | hl521: 3rd party repos can be funny sometimes. anyway, without the full apt output there's not much we can do for you |
| 23:21.24 | hl521 | yeah standby, let me get you a paste |
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| 23:22.53 | hl521 | sney: https://bpa.st/U55A |
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| 23:24.16 | sney | hl521: and what debian version is this? |
| 23:24.58 | hl521 | sney: https://bpa.st/ZS4A |
| 23:25.41 | sney | hl521: apt policy libpng12-0 ? |
| 23:26.27 | hl521 | https://bpa.st/LCZQ |
| 23:26.43 | sney | why do you have a repo from jessie on a buster machine |
| 23:27.02 | hl521 | sney: I believe because of unifi |
| 23:27.12 | hl521 | which is temporary until I get my main debian server fixed |
| 23:27.21 | hl521 | unless I just install Gentoo on it which tbh would probably be easier |
| 23:27.45 | hl521 | but my main debian server has my main unifi and unifi video stuff on it which hasn't been backed up recently |
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| 23:28.54 | oxek | I was thinking of using btrfs for my external hdd, but I see there is a massive version difference between btrfs in -stable and latest. Latest seems to have lots of bugfixes. Is it safe (for my data) to use the version in debian-stable, or should I just stick to ext4? |
| 23:29.22 | sney | hl521: it helps to use vms or lxc when you need to kludge something together for a proprietary vendor package. I haven't used unifi video in about a year, but I think I remember having to deal with this as well |
| 23:29.42 | sney | hl521: there is a package called equivs that you can use to tell apt a package is installed when it isn't. This is probably your best bet. |
| 23:30.10 | hl521 | why does debian feel so strangely unstable with this when you have to backtrack on older packages lol |
| 23:31.07 | Arrowmaster | so this is actually not a great idea, but you can find the last version of libpng12-0 compiled for debian (for stretch i think) at http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20160413T160058Z/pool/main/libp/libpng/libpng12-0_1.2.54-6_amd64.deb |
| 23:31.38 | sney | dealing with 3rd parties going halfway on dependency stuff is outside of debian's scope. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
| 23:31.45 | sney | and mixing releases is definitely not supported. |
| 23:31.52 | hl521 | yeah that's understandable |
| 23:31.59 | sney | you can break anything if you twist it far enough. |
| 23:32.02 | Arrowmaster | hl521: people call debian slow but there are so many 3rd parties that just wont stay up to date and are even older in their packages |
| 23:32.16 | hl521 | but I mean for dedicated server stuff for Unifi and whatnot, it almost seems better to just roll Gentoo for this |
| 23:32.42 | hl521 | that way I can actually specify releases without worrying about breaking the distro |
| 23:32.44 | Arrowmaster | lxc or docker containers would be better for holding those 3rd party services |
| 23:33.10 | hl521 | hm yeah but afaik, Docker isn't well supported for ZoneMinder nor Shinobi |
| 23:34.17 | sney | lxc is great for that. run the stupid vendor software in a container, break the container as much as you want, it doesn't affect the host system or the other containers |
| 23:34.44 | sney | it's basically just a chroot jail, docker is unnecessary extra gunk if you're deploying on one machine |
| 23:35.13 | hl521 | I hear docker also requires to constantly run at root priviledges |
| 23:35.46 | sney | these instructions are up to date, I used them to deploy a nagios4 instance on a buster server a couple months ago. https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 23:35.52 | hl521 | do you think Podman would be a better alternative over LXC for Docker? |
| 23:37.11 | sney | first I've heard of it. it's probably fine depending on the use case, as is docker, but again you don't need any "container engine" for just managing one or two lx |
| 23:37.35 | hl521 | ah kk |
| 23:37.36 | sney | that stuff really shines when you need to scale up. it's extraneous otherwise. |
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| 23:38.23 | jmcnaught | systemd-nspawn is good and simple too |
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| 23:40.08 | oxek | can I use docker or lxc for windows guests? |
| 23:41.11 | Arrowmaster | don't believe so unless something has changed recently |
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| 23:42.24 | velix | On my dev system, I've installed kernel 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1 on buster, but it doesn't appear to be default after reboot. Does grub have a way to set the default kernel ? |
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| 23:43.50 | velix | boot/grub/menu.lst shows me "kernel 5.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" as first entry |
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| 23:44.54 | randompleb | Hi, Debian Security says that webkit doesn't get updated. It further says that users are safe if they use firefox or chromium. If webkit isn't updated, isn't that a security risk? Can someone explain? |
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| 23:46.38 | oxek | randompleb: it indeed is a security risk |
| 23:47.02 | jmcnaught | randompleb: webkit2gtk has security support in buster, so browsers based on it have security support (along with Firefox and Chromium). You're recommended not to use any of the other browsers for sites you don't control or trust. |
| 23:47.11 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
| 23:48.41 | randompleb | So, if you only use Firefox/Chromium you are not affected by it? |
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| 23:49.52 | jmcnaught | yes, those browsers get security support. Chromium support has ended for stretch however. |
| 23:49.54 | randompleb | Because it uses webkit2gtk. Other browsers use some other webkit implementation not supported by the security team at Debian? |
| 23:50.22 | randompleb | Am I getting this right? |
| 23:50.47 | jmcnaught | Firefox and Chromium use their own rendering engines, and then there are some browsers that use webkit2gtk in Debian that are also supported. |
| 23:51.07 | randompleb | Oh, I see. Thanks. |
| 23:51.11 | jmcnaught | Other browsers using other webkit libraries or khtml are not covered by security support. |
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| 23:59.29 | tomreyn | hi |
| 23:59.38 | tomreyn | are debian kernels secure boot signed? |
| 23:59.57 | tomreyn | and if so, using which certificate? |
