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| 00:04.01 | tomreyn | https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Supported_architectures_and_packages see,s to sayso, nice. |
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| 00:22.14 | jim | hi, I'm trying to use efibootmgr to set up a boot order, and when I run efibootmgr with no args, it says: No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery |
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| 00:26.10 | dvs | jim, is your EFI setup on /dev/sda? |
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| 01:20.49 | Lampion | Hello everyone, kind of a newbie question but how do you get su privileges on a bootable Debian ? What's the default su password ? |
| 01:22.43 | jmcnaught | Did you try "sudo -i" ? |
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| 01:23.59 | Lampion | What is it ? |
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| 01:24.49 | jmcnaught | sudo is another way of becoming root/superuser, the -i means interactive, it gives you a shell |
| 01:26.24 | Lampion | I think I did try sudo, will try it again though. |
| 01:26.47 | Lampion | I was surprised about the "-i" option, never used it. |
| 01:31.26 | jim | usually the password is that of the logged in user that's running the sudo |
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| 01:42.31 | Lampion | Yes, but there is no user, it's a bootable image. |
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| 01:43.13 | Lampion | Well, I can get sudo without a password but I can't get su, I think. |
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| 01:45.59 | cybercrypto | Lampion: After you boot you live image, open a terminal and type the suggested command (you will be logged as liveuser probably) and will become root. |
| 01:46.28 | Lampion | Done, thanks ! |
| 01:47.29 | zu22 | Hi, running Jessie. I just installed awstats package and noticed it created a file /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl . How do I access this script through a URL? I tried www.hyperyoda.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl and it says no such file |
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| 01:48.47 | zu22 | Running Apache2 webserver. |
| 01:49.34 | jmcnaught | zu22: did you look at /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.gz? There are instructions there. Also it's time to upgrade, jessie LTS is almost over. |
| 01:50.59 | cybercrypto | Lampion: Np. |
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| 01:57.29 | zu22 | jmcnaught: i'll read that thanks. ah what steps do i take to upgrade from Jessie? |
| 01:59.32 | dvs | !jessie release notes |
| 01:59.32 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
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| 02:02.11 | jim | dvs, about "is your EFI setup on /dev/sda?" answer is yes, as it's the internal drive |
| 02:02.13 | jmcnaught | zu22: you'll want to read the release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 02:02.30 | jmcnaught | zu22: there are upgrade instructions as well as what's new. |
| 02:02.32 | dvs | ok |
| 02:03.03 | dvs | jim, as long as it's not an NVMe drive. |
| 02:03.30 | jim | when you say "efi setup", do you mean the efi system partition? |
| 02:03.38 | dvs | yes |
| 02:03.47 | jim | yeah, it's on that drive |
| 02:04.06 | jim | happens to be sda6 |
| 02:04.51 | zu22 | jmcnaught: wonderful! thanks |
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| 02:06.29 | jim | and sda1-5 are going to be /boot partitions, right now just using one (sda1), and sda7 - 15 are each 200g lvm pvs |
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| 02:11.51 | jim | dvs, this is an HP probook 650 G1, and I haven't seen a machine do so much with efi, when I boot, it says it can't find a "BootOrder", and that "firmware will attempt to recover" |
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| 02:14.36 | jim | wait I made a mistake,,, it's not booting that says that exact thing, it's running efibootmgr |
| 02:15.08 | dvs | efibootmgr displays the BootOrder. |
| 02:15.15 | jim | but booting also claims to not be able to find a boot order, and then immediately reboots |
| 02:16.06 | jim | dvs, so if there is not a BootOrder, do I create a boot using efibootmgr -c? |
| 02:17.04 | dvs | jim, efibootmgr should list the number for "debian" |
| 02:19.12 | jim | I'm telling ya it's not doing that :) |
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| 02:19.34 | dvs | Then what is the output of efibootmgr? |
| 02:19.40 | jim | let me go see what the exact text is |
| 02:23.52 | jim | efibootmgr (with no args) is saying: "No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery" |
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| 02:25.59 | jim | I may have found some info by googling for that exact text, url coming |
| 02:26.21 | dvs | ouch! That's the whole output? Yikes! |
| 02:26.44 | jim | yes, and heres one of the urls I get when I search that text: https://github.com/rhboot/efibootmgr/issues/115 |
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| 02:27.55 | dvs | jim, I wonder if the Debian install rescue mode can fix this. |
| 02:29.28 | jim | I've tried, it gets me to mount the partitions and do some bind mounts (like for a usual chroot) and then chroot in... |
| 02:30.35 | dvs | But isn't there an option to fix the boot loader? |
| 02:30.38 | jim | now having said that, I'm not sure what to do after mounting everything |
| 02:31.41 | jim | let me get out of the chroot /target bash I'm in now, and see what it offers |
| 02:32.38 | jim | (one thing to understand about the logistics, is the machine is across the room, so I'd be afk while doing stuff on that machine |
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| 02:33.44 | jim | I didn't want to have you exoecting me to reply to something you might say, while I'm really afk trying to see what's what |
| 02:34.21 | jim | I appreciate your attention... and I'm not able to use it the entire time |
| 02:38.34 | jim | ok, I ctrl-Ded out of the chroot, then ctrl-Ded out of the shell in the installer env, and I got a menu that included reinstall boot loader |
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| 02:39.22 | jim | I ran that on /dev/sda, it came back, I went back to the snell in the installer env, then chroot /target and then efibootmgr, |
| 02:39.34 | jim | and NOW I get a debian |
| 02:40.23 | jim | I could try rebooting, and see what happens... what do you think? |
| 02:40.38 | dvs | Is Secure Boot enabled in BIOS? |
| 02:40.47 | jim | no, I turned that off |
| 02:41.19 | dvs | jim, if you get a debian now then do you also get a BootOrder? |
| 02:43.45 | jim | all I know right now (not knowing much about efi booting and what's possible), is it's not saying that No BootOrder is set |
| 02:44.21 | jim | before when I was getting that message, it was one line, now I'm getting maybe 4 lines |
| 02:44.38 | dvs | jim, and one of those lines is BootOrder? |
| 02:44.53 | jim | let me find out... afk a moment |
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| 02:45.30 | jim | yes |
| 02:45.55 | dvs | jim, is the first number the same as the "debian" line? |
| 02:46.14 | jim | yes, that number being 0000 |
| 02:46.25 | dvs | then it should be fine to reboot |
| 02:46.42 | jim | the first and only number on the BootOrder line |
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| 02:47.08 | jim | ok, I'll give it a shot... thanks for your help and attention |
| 02:47.21 | dvs | np |
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| 02:58.57 | jim | dvs, this time it booted! |
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| 02:59.04 | dvs | yay |
| 02:59.12 | dvs | !prize jim |
| 02:59.13 | dpkg | gives jim a yogi pin. |
| 02:59.47 | jim | gives dvs a pik-a-kik basket |
| 03:00.04 | jim | pik-a-nik even |
| 03:00.07 | dvs | hey Boo Boo! |
| 03:00.39 | jim | anyway, enough noisey noise for one day... thanks so much |
| 03:00.51 | dvs | you're welcome |
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| 03:27.05 | inerkick | Hi. I'm using Debian 10, but it was warning me like memory needs to be cleaned or on those lines. Today when I logged in the booting is on the flash(loop). Kindly help |
| 03:27.19 | inerkick | I'm currently using puppylinux to have this chat window. |
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| 03:37.55 | somiaj | infernix: you would most likely have to paste the exact warning/errors you get. Also this maybe relevent |
| 03:37.58 | somiaj | !warnings |
| 03:37.58 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 03:38.18 | somiaj | The kernel sometimes gives you wanrnings, but that is due to buggy firmware, or something else, and doens't affect the system. |
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| 03:38.42 | somiaj | I don't know how to clean memeory, but the filesystem sometimes need to be fsck (espically if you didn't reboot correctly) |
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| 04:19.18 | sgo11 | Hi, after creating /etc/fonts/local.conf, how can I make it take effect without logout or reboot the system? Thanks a lot. |
| 04:24.05 | nkuttler | sgo11: what did you change there? |
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| 04:25.21 | sgo11 | nkuttler: thanks a lot for the reply. Not change, the file does not exist, I create the entire file from scratch. but whatever, I just logout and re-login. :) |
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| 04:39.09 | randompleb | Hi, how can I list packages that were installed from the non-free repo ? |
| 04:40.31 | jmcnaught | aptitude search ~i~snon-free |
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| 04:40.57 | jmcnaught | ,i vrms |
| 04:40.58 | judd | Package vrms (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: virtual Richard M. Stallman. Version: 1.24; Size: 13.2k; Installed: 43k; Homepage: https://debian.pages.debian.net/vrms/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/vrms |
| 04:41.47 | randompleb | aptitude not found? I tried with apt and it didn't list anythin |
| 04:41.58 | jmcnaught | randompleb: apt install aptitude |
| 04:42.54 | jmcnaught | aptitude search term reference: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html |
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| 04:51.16 | randompleb | Thanks aptitude helped listing non-free packages. Also thanks Judd. vrms worked too (kinda funny name). |
| 04:52.50 | randompleb | Also, I wrote here earlier about debian's stance on patching webkit vulnerabilities. I assume Firefox to use webkitgtk2+? What other software install webkit implementations that are not covered by debian's policy and how could I find if I have any software installed that uses a webkit implementation not supported? |
| 04:53.11 | randompleb | It's mostly browsers, yes? |
| 04:54.47 | randompleb | Should I find any pattern matching '*webkit*' on my hard drive? |
| 04:54.49 | jmcnaught | Firefox does not use webkit, it has its own called gecko. |
| 04:54.57 | randompleb | oh, I see |
| 04:55.55 | jmcnaught | Chromium's is called Blink, it was forked from Webkit a while ago, which was forked from KHTML a long time ago. |
| 04:57.10 | randompleb | Ah, I think I've got a bit of reading to do then. I am not well informed on topics relating to website technologies. Thanks for the info. |
| 04:58.10 | Logg | it's like the same thing they just wanted to call it blink cause they did so much work on it. |
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| 05:00.21 | jmcnaught | randompleb: you could run "aptitude search ~i~nwebkit" or "dpkg -l | grep webkit" to see the packages with webkit in the name installed on your system. Then you could run "apt-cache rdepends <webkit package>" or "aptitude why <webkit package>" to see what depends on that webkit library |
| 05:01.12 | jmcnaught | Or just see what will get removed if you remove the webkit library. apt-get has a -s option to simulate an action, you don't even need to be root to use it. |
| 05:01.13 | randompleb | Yes, I tried dpkg -l | grep webkit earlier but it didn't list any packges. I assume that means I don't have any webkit implementations installed on my system? |
| 05:02.13 | jmcnaught | That's what it sounds like to me. I have a couple, including one that's not supported (libqt5webkit5) as far as I know. |
| 05:02.50 | randompleb | Yes, it seems to be the case. Thanks for your help. |
| 05:03.00 | jmcnaught | You're welcome. |
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| 05:59.37 | sponix | anyone remember how I can see what all the zfs-dkms and other zfs packaged depend on if I am going to backport 0.8.4 from Sid to Buster ? |
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| 06:01.33 | somiaj | if you have the source package, the build depends are all listed in the control file |
| 06:01.59 | somiaj | I guess apt-get -s build-dep will simulate trying to get them if you have the appropriate deb-src line |
| 06:04.06 | sponix | I could have sworn there was something you can toss at a bot, and it spit it out for you ;) |
| 06:05.05 | sponix | Will write to the backports crew and just see if someone will do the 0.8.4 to buster backports for me. Haven't had much luck with request prior though :P |
| 06:06.11 | somiaj | the bot judd has the command checkbackport <package< |
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| 06:07.41 | sponix | somiaj: pretty sure that is what I was looking for |
| 06:08.51 | sponix | hmm, I think it told me to piss off :( |
| 06:09.28 | sponix | Backporting package zfs-dkms in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 10). |
| 06:09.34 | sponix | that doesn't look good |
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| 06:09.43 | themill | debhelper-compat stuff is fine |
| 06:09.57 | somiaj | you can get the new debhelper from backports, if all it is a compact change that is often easy to deal with |
| 06:10.01 | sponix | themill: Oh, so that just looks scary and it is really fine ? |
| 06:10.36 | themill | the bot is supposed to know that debhelper-compat v 10 is in backports but it's getting that wrong atm. |
| 06:10.51 | sponix | sweet |
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| 06:11.45 | themill | (the bot has not caught up with versioned Provides) |
| 06:14.01 | sponix | screw it... I'm gonna go for it |
| 06:14.07 | sponix | !ssb |
| 06:14.07 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 06:30.33 | dadinn | Hi all |
| 06:31.41 | sponix | themill somiaj : guess I deserve a bit fat "I told you so" ... my MX is screwing up on doing the backport of zfs. I am firing up a real Debian Buster VM to see if that plays better :) |
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| 06:37.14 | dadinn | Is debootstrap not supported anymore in Debian 10 Buster? |
| 06:37.30 | themill | sure it is |
| 06:37.37 | dadinn | It seems to be installing something crap, it is not working |
| 06:38.19 | dadinn | it keeps logging that retrieving/validating packages, and the end is a few empty directories |
| 06:39.34 | themill | sponix: the backport builds just fine in buster |
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| 06:40.10 | themill | dadinn: that's pretty vague. Real commands and real output help a lot |
| 06:40.16 | dadinn | actually /var/lib/apt/lists has a few files, and also /var/cache/apt/archives has lots of .deb files... also a /debootstrap folder... but nothing is installed |
| 06:40.38 | dadinn | i cannot chroot into it, as it says no /bin/bash found |
| 06:40.45 | dadinn | obviously nothing was installed |
| 06:40.54 | dadinn | installed/exctracted |
| 06:41.24 | dadinn | this used to work with stretch |
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| 06:44.57 | themill | dadinn: Works just fine here. |
| 06:45.09 | themill | dadinn: Real commands and real output help a lot |
| 06:45.14 | sponix | themill: I appreciate the vote of confidence.. And take it you have already done this ? |
| 06:45.30 | themill | sponix: I kicked it off while we were talking earlier |
| 06:46.02 | themill | (I've not tested that the backported packages actually work, but they do compile!) |
| 06:46.36 | dadinn | the command I ran was: debootstrap --arch amd64 --include lsb-release,dirmngr,ca-certificates,xz-utils,info buster /mnt/instroot http://ftp.uk.debian |
| 06:47.26 | sponix | themill: well if you get bored enough to confirm they work while I am attempting to do the build. Don't be shy to let me know and share in case I fail (pretty knew at this stuff) |
| 06:47.35 | themill | dadinn: presumably with a correct mirror at the end? |
| 06:47.53 | dadinn | there seems to be some warnings: W: Couldnet download package libaudit-common... |
| 06:48.18 | dadinn | and also libsystem0... |
| 06:48.48 | themill | dadinn: ftp.uk.debian.org can be a bit flaky sometimes. Using deb.debian.org might be better |
| 06:49.07 | dadinn | themill: well, the .deb files are downloaded from somewhere... and this UK mirror used to work before, I always used it |
| 06:49.37 | themill | "Could not download" does rather tend to say that it isn't reliable? |
| 06:49.45 | dadinn | themill: hmm, ok let me try with that one |
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| 06:50.46 | inerkick | Hi. I'm using Debian 10, but it was warning me like memory needs to be cleaned or on those lines. Today when I logged in the booting is on the flash(loop). Kindly help |
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| 06:55.06 | dadinn | themill: how come ftp.uk.debian.org is flaky? You said "sometimes"... I am assuming you've encountered this before? |
| 06:55.12 | sponix | themill: if mine does work out. I am going to feel VERY accomplished :) .... Also, either way, I appreciate your assistance/help |
| 06:55.59 | dadinn | themill: indeed the default mirror worked! |
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| 07:01.26 | themill | dadinn: yes, I've seen ftp.uk.d.o do all manner of things like this. It routinely ends up with a full disk, fails to sync etc. It's great that volunteers host mirrors and provide bandwidth etc, but sometimes the commercial cdn donating its services is simpler |
| 07:02.34 | themill | sponix: have fun with it! |
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| 07:05.32 | sponix | themill: been a blast so far.. Testing in the VM right now. If that works, going to bring the debs over and see if they work on my MX host :) |
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| 07:09.10 | dadinn | themill: thanks for the help and the insight! |
| 07:09.54 | backupluis | Hi everybody, Im running out of space in /usr and I want to remove /usr/share/doc that take about 3gb of my disk, is there any good way to do or just a rm -R |
| 07:12.29 | backupluis | There is a folder texlive-doc with 1.5 Gb with many .pdf files???? inside of share/doc, do I need this pdf files? |
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| 07:14.15 | themill | backupluis: they are the docs for texlive; if you like using those docs then keep them, if not, then try uninstalling all the texlive.*-doc packages. |
| 07:14.56 | backupluis | Yes, and I was searching on the net What is textlive and what is for? and found nothing that I can use |
| 07:14.58 | themill | backupluis: you *can* exclude /usr/share/doc/ at the dpkg level and it will just work fine (and if you do that, then yes you delete the directory) |
| 07:15.24 | backupluis | Not a powerful linux user, just use to program and to design |
| 07:15.25 | themill | if you don't know what texlive is (LaTeX), then you're probably not using it, so uninstalling is fine |
| 07:15.44 | backupluis | Noooo, really I just discovered its name, hehehehe |
| 07:16.40 | backupluis | So, I can uninstall and/or purge LaTeX and maybe the /share/doc/textlive goes alone without rm |
| 07:16.53 | backupluis | That is almost 1.5gb |
| 07:17.34 | themill | there's a chance that texlive is needed by something you care about; its documentation shouldn't be requireed |
| 07:17.45 | backupluis | Ohhh |
| 07:17.45 | sponix | themill: think I have it under control. This will allow me to chase higher kernel version numbers !! |
| 07:18.30 | themill | backupluis: texlive sometimes gets used by other programs to render text, particularly for typesetting equations or other maths |
| 07:18.56 | backupluis | Mmmm, the only near to that, that I could use is LibreOffice |
| 07:19.16 | backupluis | I can uninstall, then if something dont work reinstall |
| 07:19.29 | backupluis | I think is the best option, then I can find if I really need it |
| 07:20.18 | backupluis | Ohh, is for shure that when I try to uninstall if some package need it I be warned |
| 07:20.49 | themill | yes, apt will tell you |
| 07:20.59 | backupluis | ok, I will try |
| 07:21.19 | themill | "apt remove texlive.*-doc" should work |
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| 07:30.00 | backupluis | gone, and the 4 apps that I use are working well |
| 07:30.07 | backupluis | Thank you alot!!!! |
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| 08:30.04 | diogenes_ | Hey guys apt install winetricks gives me "Package winetricks is not available, but is referred to by another package..." how do i find the package it's referred to? |
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| 08:41.39 | paddy | i had a supertuxkart yesterday with a very bad performance on a Rizon 5 with a radeon rx590. so i checked "lspci -v" and it only mentions "amdgpu" as module not as in use |
| 08:41.53 | paddy | what could i do to find out if the driver is used? |
| 08:42.50 | diogenes_ | paddy, xorg logs. |
| 08:43.03 | paddy | gets horrified |
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| 08:43.59 | sponix | paddy: amdgpu is what should be used for that. You most likely want the most recent firmware and the backports kernel for the best support the RX 590 can do |
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| 08:48.37 | paddy | okay, the log says: OpenGL 3.3 and Mesa 19.3.3 |
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| 08:50.43 | ratrace | pretty sure it says way more than that. any lines with (EE)? |
| 08:53.26 | paddy | 2 lines saying "failed to open /dev/dri/card0: no such file" and "failed to find valid framebuffer device" |
| 08:54.49 | paddy | btw - i use this as boot parameter: "radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1" |
| 08:55.01 | paddy | somebody told me to do so for lutris to work |
| 08:56.31 | ratrace | can you pastebin the entire Xorg.0.log? |
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| 09:01.18 | paddy | yes - http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c0cc8131/ |
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| 09:04.49 | ratrace | Yeah I don't think amdgpu is being used at all. "Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0" |
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| 09:09.43 | ratrace | paddy: is that RX 590 GME from March 9 2020, or the older 590 from 2018? |
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| 09:13.37 | paddy | ratrace: lspci says its rev e1. i am not sure how to find out |
| 09:14.01 | ratrace | well did you buy it within two months ago |
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| 09:15.56 | paddy | 5th of march 2020 :) |
| 09:16.17 | Surfer2011 | hello, can someone help me to fix my external usb drive? i get the error on mounting it: https://pastebin.com/J7pH4Rf2 |
| 09:16.50 | ratrace | paddy: probably not the newer one then, it's for chinese market only anyway (though that doesn't mean much). |
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| 09:17.32 | ratrace | paddy: installed firmware? firmware-amd-graphics |
| 09:17.41 | paddy | yes |
| 09:18.18 | paddy | one moment, i am trying that binary package from the amd homepage |
| 09:18.21 | ratrace | Surfer2011: I think that happens when NTFS is not unmounted cleanly from Windows |
| 09:19.00 | ratrace | Surfer2011: unless it's what the message said, softraid/fakeraid but I have zero clue about raid in windows |
| 09:19.33 | Surfer2011 | i formated it at windows and unmounted it cleanly so not the problem |
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| 09:19.58 | Surfer2011 | the drive is empty so it could be formated any way i want |
| 09:20.45 | ratrace | Surfer2011: whta if you used ntfs-3g directly? I can't remember if mount -t ntfs uses that or that older kernel module |
| 09:21.17 | Surfer2011 | like mount -t ntfs-3g /dev.... ? |
| 09:21.39 | ratrace | no. `ntfs-3g /dev/...` |
| 09:21.52 | Surfer2011 | without mount? |
| 09:22.18 | ratrace | Surfer2011: `man ntfs-3g` |
| 09:23.55 | Surfer2011 | does not work |
| 09:24.16 | ratrace | !doesn't work |
| 09:24.16 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 09:26.36 | Surfer2011 | getting the error one sec |
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| 09:32.21 | Surfer2011 | takes forever and still "working" to mount it but no positiv result |
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| 09:48.13 | Surfer2011 | does not mount it no matter what |
| 09:48.21 | Surfer2011 | i can format / ... it also |
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| 09:54.48 | ratrace | Surfer2011: tried with -o force too? |
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| 10:08.23 | Surfer2011 | well it does "nothing" ... it seems like it's working but nothing happens for 20 min |
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| 10:32.15 | CrazyTux | how much RAM would be needed to use Windows 10 in VM on Debian with the heaviest DE? |
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| 10:34.02 | oxek | CrazyTux: as much as possible |
| 10:34.08 | nobyk | CrazyTux: I would guess at the very least, 8gb |
| 10:34.20 | CrazyTux | my laptop has only 4 GBs |
| 10:34.23 | oxek | 4GB for DE, 12GB for programs in debian, 4GB for windows, 12GB for programs in windows |
| 10:34.29 | abrotman | what? |
| 10:34.40 | nobyk | But life will be terrible |
| 10:34.52 | CrazyTux | and probably it can be upgraded to 8 GBs max |
| 10:34.54 | abrotman | CrazyTux: you can try it, it'll probably swap like crazy |
| 10:35.13 | CrazyTux | I am using Windows 10 in a dual boot setup |
| 10:35.30 | oxek | a heavy DE in debian easily takes 4GB for itself, and then you need some RAM to run other stuff in debian. Win10 easily takes 4GB for itself and then you need some RAM for other programs running in Windows. |
| 10:35.30 | CrazyTux | but, I think installing Windows in a VM would be better. |
| 10:35.47 | abrotman | oxek: not really |
| 10:35.51 | CrazyTux | oxek, ok |
| 10:35.57 | oxek | abrotman: which part? |
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| 10:36.18 | abrotman | oxek: I'd take a wild guess that the browser is likely to take more than the DE |
| 10:37.00 | nobyk | CrazyTux: Why do you think that would be better? |
| 10:37.06 | oxek | on my machine, gnome with all bells and whistles takes 3GB before even starting any programs - and more importantly already starts swapping. |
| 10:37.18 | CrazyTux | nobyk, wouldn't it be better? |
| 10:37.24 | abrotman | I have gnome, it's not even close to 3GB |
| 10:37.40 | abrotman | anyway, getting away from the original question |
| 10:37.55 | abrotman | CrazyTux: do you actually need to use Win10? |
| 10:38.15 | nobyk | at the same time as using debian |
| 10:38.15 | CrazyTux | abrotman, yes. But, only for some applications. |
| 10:38.31 | abrotman | such as? Are you sure there's no alternative in Linux? |
| 10:38.36 | CrazyTux | linux distros will always be primary OS for me. |
| 10:38.49 | CrazyTux | abrotman, MS-Office |
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| 10:39.26 | CrazyTux | I want to install and use SAP IDES on Win 10 |
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| 10:39.45 | abrotman | CrazyTux: you get to have all the fun :) |
| 10:39.57 | CrazyTux | https://wiki.scn.sap.com/wiki/display/HOME/IDES |
| 10:40.31 | CrazyTux | I think this application will be heavy |
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| 10:40.57 | abrotman | CrazyTux: really, you're going to just have to try it |
| 10:41.58 | CrazyTux | what if I use a lightweight DE like Xfce, Mate or Lxqt on Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 10:42.28 | abrotman | I don't know I'd call any of those "light" |
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| 10:43.00 | CrazyTux | abrotman, yes. But, how much RAM do you think would be needed? |
| 10:43.23 | abrotman | CrazyTux: but again, the issue isn't really going to be your DE .. Win10, in a VM, running an IDE .. |
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| 10:44.05 | CrazyTux | abrotman, yes. Would you prefer running Win 10 in a VM or in a dual boot setup, in that case? |
| 10:45.55 | abrotman | with 4GB RAM? I'd probably dual boot |
| 10:46.18 | abrotman | but again, don't let us stop you from trying |
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| 10:48.47 | CrazyTux | abrotman, ok |
| 10:49.16 | CrazyTux | btw, has the Lxde project been abandoned? |
| 10:49.32 | CrazyTux | has it been replaced by lxqt entirely? |
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| 10:50.28 | Lampion | Hello everyone, I have quite a situation, and it's puzzling me. |
| 10:51.23 | Lampion | I'm trying to set up a virtual network on qemu with virt-manager, and it happens I have to manually set bridging by editing the setup file under etc/networks/interfaces.d. |
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| 10:52.16 | Lampion | I edited it, restarted networks, and it failed, as it was not finding my wifi card. What puzzles me is that before I restarted the network interface, internet worked fine and I could access it with no problems. |
| 10:52.41 | Lampion | After the restart, I was cut off from the internet even though wifi was activated and running. |
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| 10:53.12 | Lampion | I rebooted, and it worked again. |
| 10:55.15 | Lampion | Why is it ? How do I get my eth0 card to be recognized ? Last, is there a safe way to edit the setup file so I can get bridging to work without screwing up my network interface ? |
| 10:56.20 | miskatonic | lxqt is the new lxde |
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| 10:57.11 | Lampion | ##linux |
| 10:57.51 | miskatonic | does lampion's network card require proprietary firmware which might be missing? |
| 10:58.04 | Lampion | It's installed ! |
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| 10:59.44 | Lampion | I just ran dmesg and it's half red. Oops. |
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| 11:00.54 | oxek | CrazyTux: lxqt replaces it entirely. Somebody might pick up maintenance of lxde but there's little point. |
| 11:01.58 | CrazyTux | oxek, ok. So, no further development work will be seen in that project, then? |
| 11:02.50 | oxek | exactly. No new development from current lxde/lxqt developers, perhaps only some bugfixes for a while, unless somebody else picks up lxde. Like the case with gnome2 and MATE. |
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| 11:04.14 | CrazyTux | oxek, ok |
| 11:04.20 | CrazyTux | thanks for that info. |
| 11:04.32 | miskatonic | may single components maintained independently, such as lxterminal and the gtk greeter for lightdm? |
| 11:05.00 | oxek | New debian-stable installation. Using nouveau drivers, not nvidia proprietary. Suspend to RAM. Resume PC. Graphical corruption, no keyboard input possible (not even numlock light would toggle). Had to hard restart. How do I find out the cause? |
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| 11:05.35 | oxek | miskatonic: some might be developed independently, but qterminal is replacing stuff and lightdm is not exactly issue-less. |
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| 11:07.26 | oxek | miskatonic: afaik lightdm is not even an lxde project |
| 11:07.50 | Lampion | Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone have an idea ? |
| 11:08.31 | joepublic | I thought we were at "I rebooted and it worked again", sorry |
| 11:10.47 | Lampion | No problem, proprietary software is installed properly since the day I installed Debian, that was the first thing I did in order to have my wifi card function. |
| 11:11.15 | Lampion | Yet network interfaces are acting strangely. |
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| 11:15.34 | miskatonic | ooops what is the display manager of lxde? |
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| 11:16.33 | ratrace | lxdm? |
| 11:16.41 | Kevlar_Noir | lol |
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| 11:18.25 | oxek | miskatonic: lxde did use lightdm, but lightdm is not developed by lxde team. lxqt uses sddm. sddm is better than lightdm anyway. |
| 11:19.27 | oxek | ehh, nevermind got my words confused, lxdm indeed was a thing |
| 11:19.33 | ratrace | indeed. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDM |
| 11:22.58 | oxek | tbh all display managers suck |
| 11:23.08 | oxek | so pick your poison |
| 11:24.59 | CrazyTux | oxek, do you think lxqt is better than lxde? how stable and bugfree is it compared to lxde? |
| 11:27.01 | oxek | CrazyTux: I liked lxde. Lxde not being developed anymore is a death sentence to it, so there's no point using it anymore and might as well move onto lxqt (and report, possibly fix, bugs). |
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| 11:27.19 | CrazyTux | oxek, ok |
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| 11:27.37 | oxek | nowadays I just use xfce anyway |
| 11:27.48 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 11:27.55 | CrazyTux | I too |
| 11:28.13 | ratrace | i3-wm ftw |
| 11:28.14 | oxek | but I am happy projects like lxde/lxqt exist |
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| 11:29.55 | oxek | ratrace: I find i3 and similar problematic. Every time I install a new program I have to keep fiddling with i3 to make things work the way I want instead of using the actual program... |
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| 11:30.45 | ratrace | You'reUsingItWrong(tm) :) |
| 11:30.49 | oxek | New debian-stable installation. Using nouveau drivers, not nvidia proprietary. Suspend to RAM. Resume PC. Graphical corruption, no keyboard input possible (not even numlock light would toggle). Had to hard restart. How do I find out the cause? |
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| 11:31.37 | ratrace | oxek: install nvidia proprietary and see if that works. I'd blame nouveau here from personal experience with broken suspend-resume |
| 11:32.28 | oxek | I had nvidia proprietary before, but it gave me no extra performance so I went back to nouveau |
| 11:32.33 | oxek | it's a 10yo card |
| 11:32.48 | oxek | nvidia 9600 or something |
| 11:33.04 | oxek | so I'd imagine nouveau would be fine with it |
| 11:33.22 | ratrace | fine but, the idea here is to remove variables one by one, starting with nouveau. |
| 11:33.37 | oxek | what sucks is that there are no logs from the crash. Almost as if access to the hdd did not work to write out the logs |
| 11:34.12 | ratrace | which further implies kernel-level hang from faulty drivers |
| 11:35.16 | sgo11 | hi, I am not sure how to call the mouse select clipboard and the ctrl+c clipboard properly in Enlgish. Can I make them the same? I mean whenever I use mouse select to copy, I can use ctrl+v to paste the selection. Thanks. |
| 11:36.44 | ratrace | sgo11: primary selection buffer, and clipboard buffer. should be possible depending on which DE and programs you use |
| 11:37.30 | sgo11 | ratrace: thanks a lot for the reply. I am running xfce. I would like to set both buffers the same system wide. Is that possible? Thanks. |
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| 11:38.58 | ratrace | sgo11: there's tools like |
| 11:39.01 | ratrace | !info autocutsel |
| 11:39.06 | dpkg | autocutsel: (Keep the X clipboard and the cutbuffer in sync), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.10.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 53 kB |
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| 11:39.32 | sgo11 | ratrace: cool. thanks a lot. :) |
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| 11:39.46 | Lampion | Sorry, can I ask again ? |
| 11:40.01 | ratrace | sgo11: also parcellite |
| 11:40.37 | sgo11 | ratrace: which one is recommended by you? :) |
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| 11:42.57 | joepublic | lampion why not describe what your network interfaces are doing, vs. what you expect |
| 11:44.19 | Lampion | What they are doing, they cut off internet when I'm trying to manually restart them, but working from boot. |
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| 11:44.39 | Lampion | Eth0 is not detected despite proprietary software being installed. |
| 11:45.10 | Lampion | If I try to restart network interfaces, it fails at "raising up network interfaces". |
| 11:46.56 | Lampion | I'm expecting network interfaces to be raised, and be able to bridge connexions within my VM. |
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| 11:47.02 | oxek | Lampion: is it actually called 'eth0'? |
| 11:47.07 | oxek | those names should no longer exist in debian |
| 11:47.26 | Lampion | Honestly yes, I think so, but I don't know how to check if it is. |
| 11:47.30 | joepublic | "manually restart" "try to restart" what is this in terms of command you are trying |
| 11:47.55 | joepublic | typing `ip addr` will give a summary of interfaces and their addresses |
| 11:48.10 | ratrace | sgo11: I don't care about merging them, I just know there are tools for that ) |
| 11:48.20 | Lampion | Here is the command: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:48.34 | sgo11 | ratrace: there is also a terminal copy and paste like `ctrl + w` and ctrl + y`. can I sync this too? :) |
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| 11:49.38 | ratrace | sgo11: in xorg, there are only three buffers: primary selection, secondary and the ctrl+c clipboard. pretty much no program is using the secondary one, so your terminal should be affected by those merging tools as well. |
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| 11:51.01 | ratrace | or configure it to use ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v (as ctrl-c is to send SIGINT in cli programs) |
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| 12:07.10 | miskatonic | I use xsel to copy from primary to clipboard |
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| 12:10.19 | miskatonic | terminal copy and paste? only in various editors and terminal multiplexers, and then with non-portable bindings. It cannot be synced in general |
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| 12:13.02 | sgo11 | ratrace: I tried parcellite. It can sync primary and ctrl+c clipboard. but it doesn't sync ctrl+w one in terminal. Is that called secondary selection? In terminal, ctrl+w will cut the last word separted by space and ctrl+y will paste all the cuts. |
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| 12:18.22 | sgo11 | maybe ctrl+w is something specific to terminal. never mind. thanks. |
| 12:20.11 | miskatonic | specific to certain terminal applications. |
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| 12:43.37 | ratrace | sgo11: that's something specific to your terminal |
| 12:44.17 | ratrace | terminals typicall bind ctrl+shift+(c|v), so as to leave ctr+c for SIGINT |
| 12:44.26 | ratrace | *typically |
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| 12:48.53 | sgo11 | ratrace: I used ctrl+w and ctrl+y a lot in terminal. I think they are not system thing, it's something special in terminal. so ctrl+w can not sync with clipboards. |
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| 12:55.59 | miskatonic | readline uses C-w to kill the current line and C-y to yank in the content of the most recently killed line |
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| 13:03.29 | sgo11 | yeah, that is kinda what I mean. In terminal, C-w is like cutting word one by one. and C-y to paste all of them at once. So if I input "hello world foobar", C-w will make it "hello world", C-w again will make it "hello". C-y will paste "world foobar" back. I hope this can be synced to clipboards if possible. But I don't think it's possible. |
| 13:09.52 | EdePopede | but only in text editors, bash makes everything far more complicated |
| 13:10.23 | EdePopede | im empties the line, but does not remove it. and even this only if you don't press enter after removing the content. |
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| 13:13.11 | rmacd | sgo11: 16 years a sysadm and I'm still learning, thank you for this ... |
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| 13:16.28 | sgo11 | rmacd: :) I just knew it by accident when I first use Linux and then I have been using it a lot. |
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| 13:37.44 | spinningCat-work | debian couldnt see my wireless |
| 13:38.44 | annadane | !non-free firmware |
| 13:38.47 | annadane | !firmware |
| 13:38.48 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 13:39.05 | annadane | see what (as root) dmesg | grep -i firmware says |
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| 13:39.35 | annadane | if you wish to post output, post it to paste.debian.net |
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| 13:51.31 | ZenWalker | hi all |
| 13:51.48 | ZenWalker | how to silence the output of "dpkg-buildpackage" ? |
| 13:51.58 | ZenWalker | I would like to see nothing in the output |
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| 13:54.19 | brutser | hi guys! apparmor is denying some libvirt library to load and i don't know how to properly fix this: https://bpa.st/2EOA < can anyone help me? thanks |
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| 13:57.30 | jmcnaught | You're using libspice libraries from /home? |
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| 13:57.49 | brutser | jmcnaught: yea it's for testing only obviously |
| 14:00.26 | annadane | ZenWalker, i looked in the man page and couldn't find anything and this isn't really an answer to your question but section 5.4.2 on https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debmake-doc/ch05.en.html has a bit about setting verbosity... otherwise, you may wish to perhaps ask #packaging on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:00.59 | jmcnaught | brutser: you'll probably need to read about how to edit apparmor profiles. What are you trying to test? |
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| 14:02.00 | brutser | jmcnaught: i know in which files i need to do that i just don't know the proper way to allow this .so to load |
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| 14:02.43 | brutser | i just replace LD_LIBRARY_PATH to that new location for libvirtd - but it makes sense i need to allow that for apparmor |
| 14:02.54 | annadane | ZenWalker, there's also https://paste.debian.net/1147121/ from the man page but i suspect that's not helpful |
| 14:02.58 | brutser | just checking here what is the right way to do that |
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| 14:04.46 | ZenWalker | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc > /dev/null 2>/dev/null |
| 14:04.53 | ZenWalker | it worked ^^^ :) |
| 14:04.54 | jmcnaught | brutser: https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/wikis/Documentation look at the section on profile development, I think the command aa-genprof lets you run a program, it logs all the things that the program tries to access and saves it in a format that can be used as an apparmor profile, but it's been a long time since I used it. |
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| 14:06.41 | brutser | jmcnaught: yea, i rather just add it to the appropriate files directly - i will fiddle with it a little :) |
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| 14:27.59 | generic | Made myself a debian to load into the ram any ideas how I could shrink it? I have 2.2G at the moment firefox is crashing alot :( |
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| 14:51.22 | efloid | i found an odd directory named '_!(!!cg"p!(}!}@"j!(k!|w"w!'\''8!b!"p!'\'':!e@==' which I cannot delete. I tried rm -rf ./_\!\(\!\!cg\"p\!\(\}\!\}@\"j\!\(k\!\|w\"w\!\'8\!b\!\"p\!\'\:\!e@\=\=/ and it doesn't give an error message, but the directory is still there |
| 14:51.59 | efloid | looks like the characters got messed up here when pasting them |
| 14:52.06 | phogg | efloid: that's quite wrong |
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| 14:52.51 | efloid | phogg: what is wrong? |
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| 14:53.15 | efloid | i also tried to delete the parent folder(s) also to no avail. |
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| 14:54.24 | efloid | oddly the folder is in .java/userPrefs/jetbrains which would could have been from IntelliJ or Android Studio. |
| 14:54.24 | annadane | feels like that should be quoted, to avoid weird bash and sedisms |
| 14:55.28 | annadane | try wrapping the whole thing in "quotes" |
| 14:55.59 | efloid | i tried both " and ' but no. probably because there are quotes in the string i have to escape them all? |
| 14:56.18 | annadane | ugh. i don't know. maybe |
| 14:57.04 | efloid | only problem is there are all the \ in the string, so i think i have to escape those also, then escape the ' and " |
| 14:57.16 | annadane | at this point i'd seriously just go ask #bash |
| 14:57.25 | efloid | good idea |
| 14:57.46 | annadane | and/or your system is compromised, i have no idea |
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| 15:00.33 | epsilon | efloid: corrupted filesystem? tried a live live via usb and mounted the disk? |
| 15:00.49 | epsilon | *live linux |
| 15:01.02 | oxek | How can I remove ristretto without removing the rest of xfce? |
| 15:03.12 | jmcnaught | oxek: mark the packages you want to keep as manual. More trouble than it's worth in my opinion. Does ristretto take up a lot of space? |
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| 15:07.17 | mesaboogie | efloid: try a file manager? |
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| 15:08.06 | mesaboogie | I agree with phogg though, that looks very wrong. |
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| 15:09.27 | cyveris | efloid: rm -- \'<tab> |
| 15:09.37 | cyveris | Oh, it's a directory. |
| 15:09.42 | cyveris | efloid: rm -r -- \'<tab> |
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| 15:10.30 | cyveris | efloid: rm -r -- _<tab> (didn't realize the single quote wasn't part of the name) |
| 15:11.24 | cyveris | The -- prevents anything after the -- from being interpreted as a switch or option to rm. |
| 15:12.00 | oxek | jmcnaught: I am just annoyed at being given stuff for free I guess |
| 15:12.30 | oxek | I feel dirty having stuff installed that I don't need |
| 15:12.46 | mesaboogie | there is a lot more than ristretto in that case |
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| 15:13.15 | oxek | once I learn how to remove one, I assume the process is similar for the others |
| 15:13.24 | jmcnaught | oxek: desktop environments in Debian are installed by metapackages which depend on the collection of packages in that DE. Removing a package that a metapackage depends on also removes the metapacakge. Then apt autoremove wants to remove all the other packages that metapackage installed automatically. |
| 15:13.44 | mesaboogie | oxek: start with base and go from there. |
| 15:13.46 | mesaboogie | =) |
| 15:13.50 | jmcnaught | oxek: therefore you can mark the packages you want to keep as installed manually, and autoremove won't try to remove them. |
| 15:14.02 | jmcnaught | oxek: still, it's a lot of work to save a few megabytes |
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| 15:28.33 | brutser | spice-vdagentd service did not start, how can i find the reason why a service did not start, what logs to see? |
| 15:28.43 | EdePopede | should be not too hard to script it. `apt-cache rdepends ristretto` then read the "Reverse Depends:" entries and continue with them. ristretto â xfce4-goodies â { xfwm4, task-xfce-desktop | desktop-base } |
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| 15:32.19 | jmcnaught | brutser: "systemctl status spice-vdagentd" and "journalctl -u spice-vdagentd" Note that the package (which I don't have installed) has a systemd .socket unit too, so it may be socket activated. |
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| 15:45.01 | efloid | epsilon: the drive is a usb drive |
| 15:45.02 | phogg | efloid: if you single-quote the string then you don't need to escape anything. If it has embedded single quotes then you have to handle those separately, though. |
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| 15:46.40 | phogg | efloid: mount --bind the dir to somewhere else, then mount a tmpfs over top of it, then rm the file from the bind mounted location. Does the then exist in the tmpfs or the bind mounted location? |
| 15:46.45 | phogg | my theory is something recreating it |
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| 15:57.58 | oxek | jmcnaught: yeah, I tried it, it's a lot of packages to mark as manual... There should be some xfce-minimal-metapackage instead |
| 15:58.21 | oxek | one where you just get xfce, and then you get to pick your browser, media player, picture viewer, etc. |
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| 16:17.28 | zoidberg | Is there a reason why debian only supports a single java version per release? seems quite idiotic to me |
| 16:20.14 | zoidberg | I guess theres no reason behind this decisino then. |
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| 16:22.04 | jmcnaught | zoidberg: probably because of limited resources. If you need to install a different version of Java you could try the java-package package. |
| 16:23.01 | Phase | Do you know the cmd so only regged users can pm you? |
| 16:23.33 | jmcnaught | Phase: they would probably know in #freenode |
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| 16:24.19 | Phase | I'm muted there |
| 16:25.22 | jmcnaught | You probably just need to wait to be voiced, but maybe do a web search for 'freenode modes' while you wait. |
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| 16:30.07 | aaardvark__ | I have a google cloud instance I just created running debian 10 - apt-get is not there. What do I need to do to install things? |
| 16:30.29 | BazookaTooth | Phase: /mode Phase +g |
| 16:32.32 | phogg | aaardvark__: do you have apt? aptitude? |
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| 16:35.25 | sney | suspects it's a PATH problem |
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| 16:36.55 | bomb | phogg: I have dselect |
| 16:37.51 | Phase | BazookaTooth, Thats server side ignore |
| 16:37.53 | Phase | But ok ty |
| 16:38.47 | aaardvark__ | phogg: no apt nor aptitude |
| 16:39.49 | bomb | aaardvark__: you have dpkg at least? |
| 16:40.38 | aaardvark__ | bomb: yes |
| 16:41.42 | bomb | aaro: then you can download apt from debian website and install it with `dpkg -i blabla.deb` |
| 16:41.48 | BazookaTooth | Phase: look again https://freenode.net/kb/answer/usermodes |
| 16:41.50 | bomb | aaardvark__ even |
| 16:41.54 | phogg | aaardvark__: I suggest getting the .deb files for apt-get manually and install them |
| 16:42.24 | aaardvark__ | bomb: ty - done |
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| 16:42.42 | aaardvark__ | phogg: ty - I just had alteady done what bomb suggested |
| 16:42.46 | aaardvark__ | thank you all |
| 16:42.50 | BazookaTooth | Phase: the +R one. just forgot since i have them in my config |
| 16:42.52 | bomb | welcome |
| 16:43.17 | aaardvark__ | I do have to say that I am somewhat unimpressed by the OS that google created - I have used them with ubuntu and not had these issues |
| 16:43.25 | aaardvark__ | I blame google though |
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| 16:46.57 | bomb | obviously Google doesn't want you to use apt for some reason |
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| 16:47.52 | bomb | or maybe there is a problem with your instance? |
| 16:47.53 | bomb | https://cloud.google.com/sdk/docs/downloads-apt-get |
| 16:48.15 | aaardvark__ | bomb: yes - but basically the imge is SO minimal that you are going to need to install things |
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| 16:53.33 | bomb | heh, even more minimal than netinst obviously |
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| 17:20.42 | jmcnaught | Deknos: you can do it with Spice: https://www.spice-space.org/spice-user-manual.html#_folder_sharing |
| 17:20.51 | jmcnaught | I haven't tried it though. |
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| 17:23.58 | Deknos | wasnt there something with 9pfs? |
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| 17:29.22 | annadane | compile #gentoo |
| 17:29.28 | bomb | heresy! |
| 17:29.43 | d0 | Get the flamer. |
| 17:29.45 | EdePopede | !gentoomustdie |
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| 17:35.18 | dkeohane | good old M-x kill-gentoo |
| 17:35.55 | ratrace | bitchslaps EdePopede with a giant fish |
| 17:36.33 | EdePopede | ratrace: thanks. gotta go shopping, totally forgot about it xD |
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| 17:38.27 | ratrace | dontcha badmouth gentoo, willis! |
| 17:39.52 | sney | !start a distro war |
| 17:39.52 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
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| 17:43.49 | dkeohane | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
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| 17:45.01 | sney | hahaha nice I had forgotten about that |
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| 17:59.23 | pw- | if i pin a package to use a specific repository, will all dependencies inherit the priority? |
| 18:02.18 | oxek | anyone tried xchacha12,aes-adiantum-plain64 for luks on debian? |
| 18:02.30 | oxek | can anyone confirm that it will not work on debian-stable? |
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| 18:07.20 | tobra | Trying to boot Debian on a raspberry pi 4b. I get no video output so far. |
| 18:07.40 | tobra | I got my image from here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspberry-pi-desktop/ |
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| 18:08.23 | tobra | I ran as root `cp *.iso /dev/sdb` and `sync` as outlined here https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:09.27 | tobra | after it finished, I unmounted the card and tried booting it in the pi. |
| 18:09.42 | sney | tobra: that was the correct procedure for writing the usb. you should probably ask in #raspberrypi for hardware problems |
| 18:10.04 | tobra | so at this point I can be sure that it must be a hardware-thing? |
| 18:10.32 | sney | whatever it is, pi experts are more likely to be able to help you |
| 18:11.12 | tobra | k, thx. |
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| 18:23.43 | somiaj | tobra: this is part of why people use raspbian, they have images that are already to copy to the sd card and boot. I think doing this manually takes a bit more work since the firmware on those boards doesn't allow for a traditional install. |
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| 18:24.21 | somiaj | so even if your final goal is to use debian, maybe grab a raspbian image and see if that works (raspbian kernels contain patches that help them work better on pi hardware) |
| 18:24.38 | somiaj | (that may also help you figure out if you do ahve a hardware problem) |
| 18:25.01 | jmd | What is a safe(ish) way to install a single package from testing, when I'm actually running on stable? |
| 18:25.13 | somiaj | jmd: there is none |
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| 18:25.23 | somiaj | jmd: what you do is compile your own package |
| 18:25.24 | somiaj | !ssb |
| 18:25.25 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:25.40 | somiaj | you can use testing sources instead of sid sources with those instructions. |
| 18:26.25 | somiaj | (note there are very rare exceptions where the package depends are fully met in stable, but I the above is the best answer for most cases) |
| 18:28.26 | f8e4 | how to get the current epoch + 1d from cmd? |
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| 18:29.01 | somiaj | what do you mean? you just want the date +1d using unix time? |
| 18:29.08 | f8e4 | yeah |
| 18:29.09 | somiaj | maybe 'man date' |
| 18:29.34 | f8e4 | like a quickie: print unix time for now+1hour |
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| 18:34.41 | oxek | somiaj: that's why debootstrap exists |
| 18:34.55 | oxek | debootstrap debian onto a sdcard |
| 18:36.13 | somiaj | oxek: well that is one reason it exists, but yes, though one still needs to make the sd card bootable. |
| 18:36.31 | somiaj | I was more saying, that the raspbian images have already done all this, and it is a quick way to check if it is a hardawre issue or not |
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| 18:37.03 | oxek | so I heard there's some bot that tells you how hard it would be to backport some package from testing to stable, anyone know what bot that is? |
| 18:37.43 | somiaj | the bot judd can 'checkbackport packagename' |
| 18:37.51 | oxek | somiaj: I think raspbian rubs me the wrong way for including all sorts of unnecessary stuff |
| 18:39.20 | oxek | somiaj: not sure I understand the output of judd. "Backporting package scrcpy in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12)." but I successfully backported that package with no issues. |
| 18:39.24 | oxek | (as an example) |
| 18:39.53 | taqu74 | Å |
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| 18:40.06 | somiaj | sure, raspbian is not debian and you may not like it. That doesn't change the fact that it is an image that is ready to work on raspberry pi's, and could be a quick test if there is a hardawre issue, vs an issue doing all the small stuff debian needs. |
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| 18:40.22 | somiaj | In addition, raspbian's kernels are designed for pi's and there are various genreations of pi's that only work with that modified kernel. |
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| 18:40.27 | somiaj | ,v debhelper-compat |
| 18:40.29 | judd | No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64. |
| 18:40.42 | somiaj | ,v debhelper |
| 18:40.43 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 13~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13; sid: 13 |
| 18:41.18 | sney | the debhelper-compat thing in judd's checkbackport is a fluke, but if that's the only incompatibility it lists, you're good to go |
| 18:41.24 | somiaj | You should also look up what the compat setting is in building debian packages. In the case of stable, buster contains debhelper 12, so it would work just fine. |
| 18:41.45 | somiaj | yea, seems judd hasn't updated that for buster and still thinks that the debhelper compat level is the one in stretch |
| 18:43.05 | oxek | and if the only issue is "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13)" then it's not ok, because 13 is not in buster? |
| 18:44.05 | somiaj | but it is in buster-backports, so it is still okay if you install debhelper from backports |
| 18:45.57 | oxek | sounds good, thanks |
| 18:47.17 | oxek | how does judd find out anyway? |
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| 18:52.42 | somiaj | oxek: judd just looks at the build-depends of a package, which you can find in the control file in the debian/ of the source (it is part of the deb-src infomation in apt too) |
| 18:52.52 | somiaj | so deb-src packages know the build-depends |
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| 18:53.25 | oxek | that's nice of judd |
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| 18:58.08 | somiaj | basically it is the same info apt uses with 'apt build-dep package' |
| 18:59.00 | sney | if the only issue is "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13)" then you can proceed with the backport, that doesn't actually interfere with the build at all |
| 18:59.15 | sney | if you were going to distribute the package, lintian would complain, but that's it |
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| 19:13.17 | somiaj | All the compat level does is what sort of assumptions/features debian helper has, sometimes people bump the compact to keep up with the policy, but the package would beuild in 12 and 13 for instance too. |
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| 19:16.15 | hansol | heho |
| 19:16.33 | sney | hi |
| 19:16.43 | hansol | from where to download the last stable version with torrent 64 bit version |
| 19:17.09 | sney | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 19:17.45 | hansol | sney i see 3 CD ? |
| 19:17.58 | hansol | i have usb hdd with 32 gb |
| 19:18.45 | hansol | sney i need usb version |
| 19:18.53 | sney | https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 19:18.56 | sney | !hybrid image |
| 19:18.57 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 19:19.29 | sney | tl;dr - every debian iso for the past 10 years is the "usb version" even though the file ends in .iso |
| 19:19.37 | somiaj | hansol: Unles you really want an offline copy of a lot of packages, most prefer the netinstall image, and then only download the packages you need with apt. |
| 19:20.08 | somiaj | also only cd1/dvd1/br1 will have the installer, the additional cd's wont' come with the instalelr |
| 19:20.10 | hansol | so cd 1 will be ok to create usb bootable for install ? |
| 19:20.17 | sney | yes |
| 19:20.26 | hansol | ok, i have another question |
| 19:20.45 | sney | also don't use unetbootin or rufus, just write the iso directly to usb |
| 19:21.11 | hansol | just copy iso file to usb on win ?? |
| 19:21.21 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
| 19:21.21 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 19:21.49 | hansol | oke. |
| 19:21.57 | hansol | jsut one question |
| 19:22.03 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 19:22.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:22.13 | hansol | with web control panel like ispconfig is good to install on debian ? is there ispconfig good alternative for debian ? |
| 19:22.21 | karlpinc | hansol: The unoffical images above are very useful. |
| 19:23.09 | karlpinc | !free whcp |
| 19:23.09 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 19:23.19 | sney | web control panels are usually a security risk. if you absolutely need one (e.g. you have hosting clients who don't need shell access) then it doesn't really matter which one you use, just make sure to lock down access. |
| 19:23.36 | sney | but if it's only you using the server, skip it |
| 19:23.42 | karlpinc | hansol: Web control panels are a mistake IMO. Better to leave yourself comments in a config file that say _why_ you did what you did. |
| 19:24.29 | hansol | karlpinc after i install debian i have to install unofficial packeds ? |
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| 19:25.11 | karlpinc | hansol: The debian default is to install only free software. If you want/need non-free software you need to tell it to enable the non-free repos during the install. But... |
| 19:25.47 | hansol | yes ? |
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| 19:26.39 | karlpinc | hansol: That's too late for the official installer, which contains only free firmware. If you need non-free firmware to make your hardware work you can a) follow the instructions in the install guide and download them separately and figure out what you need, or b) use the unoffical installer with non-free firmwawre already included and let the installer figure out what your hardware requires. |
| 19:27.22 | hansol | understand |
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| 19:28.22 | f8e4 | hot to resolve a hostname eg ssh mysrv, to the ip and print it? |
| 19:29.26 | somiaj | f8e4: I use ping, but host is probably better |
| 19:29.58 | f8e4 | somiaj i hvae it defined in ~/.ssh/config its a full local thing |
| 19:30.09 | f8e4 | i try to get the ip for the name in a script |
| 19:32.14 | somiaj | then use host, and then something like awk to grab the last string. I don't see an option in host to only state the ip. |
| 19:33.09 | f8e4 | somiaj /etc/hosts and how to resolve from hostname to ip? |
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| 19:34.02 | joepublic | host, being a dns lookup utility, won't look in /etc/hosts |
| 19:34.19 | karlpinc | f8e4: "getent hosts www.google.com" |
| 19:34.23 | f8e4 | joepublic wrong read https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.hostname-name-service.html |
| 19:34.40 | f8e4 | it is purely local |
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| 19:34.49 | somiaj | all /etc/hosts provides is a local hostname resolution, not all tools this as joepublic pointed out. |
| 19:35.28 | somiaj | if the ip is located in /etc/hosts, grep 'name' /etc/hosts would work, but I though your question was how to turn a hostname into an ip. There are various ways, host is one way. |
| 19:35.29 | joepublic | host(1), being a dns lookup utility, won't look in /etc/hosts. |
| 19:35.42 | hansol | the last verison is debian 10 or 9 ? stable i mean |
| 19:35.51 | karlpinc | hansol: 10 (buster) |
| 19:35.54 | somiaj | hansol: the current version is 10.4 (buster) |
| 19:36.36 | joepublic | `host localhost` if still in doubt |
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| 19:39.03 | b1ack0p | sup |
| 19:40.12 | hansol | is this https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-10-nginx-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3.1/ -- good tutorial to follow to intall ispconfig with nginx on latest debian version 10 ? |
| 19:40.27 | somiaj | so maybe ping -c 1 would be more useful in f8e4 case, though probably not the best to script. |
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| 19:41.10 | f8e4 | wonder if ssh can print it somehow |
| 19:41.35 | f8e4 | otherwise awk |
| 19:41.57 | somiaj | hansol: I don't like step 6 (but I also don't like web based config tools, you should just learn to configure from the command line) |
| 19:43.18 | somiaj | hansol: step 7 isn't really needed with systemd. |
| 19:43.21 | somiaj | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 19:43.22 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u9; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4:4.6.6-4+deb9u1; buster-backports: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2; sid: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2 |
| 19:44.46 | somiaj | hansol: step 10.1 isn't needed anymore since phpmyadmin is in buster backports. |
| 19:45.31 | somiaj | hansol: anyways, I wouldn't use that, but that is just me. Outside of what I have mentioend, I don't see any bad practices except I wouldn't ever use sucha tool. |
| 19:46.06 | hansol | somiaj ok for step 6 we can proceed without it |
| 19:46.18 | hansol | step 7 ok .,. |
| 19:46.40 | ratrace | hansol: also, don't use ispconfig. buggy, vulnerable. |
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| 19:46.55 | hansol | somiaj step 10.1 i will check for new phpmyadmin version |
| 19:47.20 | hansol | ratrace what to use ??? i need panel with nginx |
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| 19:48.39 | jmcnaught | hansol: this kind of tutorial is really only good to give you a bird's eye view of what's involved in setting the software up, but not how to use it. I would also recommend reading the documentation for all of the software you're installing, and on general topics like SMTP if you're going to be using Postfix. |
| 19:48.51 | ratrace | hansol: the only hosting panels worth using are cpanel and plesk |
| 19:49.17 | ratrace | (if you really need them, and those are geared for shared hosting where you give limited server admin access to your clients) |
| 19:49.55 | ratrace | panels expose root services and configurations to users. slight mistake and you're pwnd. |
| 19:49.55 | hansol | ra1stlin but cpanel and plesk are not free |
| 19:50.22 | ratrace | hansol: that's why the free ones are buggy and vulnerable |
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| 19:50.57 | somiaj | hansol: you probably can't skip step 6, if that software uses /bin/sh and has bash scripts it will fail if dash is used. |
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| 19:51.42 | somiaj | hansol: maybe go back to your use case, why do you need a control panel? |
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| 19:52.14 | hansol | i need to host few website's |
| 19:52.42 | ratrace | hansol: and do those websites users need limited administrative access to your server? |
| 19:52.45 | somiaj | and why do you need a control pannel for this? |
| 19:53.24 | hansol | actually i dont need cp for that |
| 19:53.27 | hansol | mb you are right |
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| 19:54.01 | hansol | i just need nginx, php-fpm, myslq, and letsencrypt and mb phpmyadmin |
| 19:54.31 | somiaj | You also ight not need phpmyadmin, though people do like it. |
| 19:55.18 | hansol | i did not stay without cp admin |
| 19:55.28 | hansol | so it will be verry hard for me with configuration's |
| 19:55.36 | hansol | but u guys are here and will help me |
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| 19:56.03 | ratrace | be careful of phpmyadmin it's often vulnerable and should NOT be exposed to public internet! |
| 19:56.13 | ratrace | right now there's a number of zerodays that bots are trying to exploit |
| 19:56.26 | hansol | and what about x ? do i need x ?? |
| 19:57.15 | ratrace | x? like xorg? |
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| 19:57.53 | hansol | no like kde, gnome, xface |
| 19:58.11 | somiaj | xorg is the server, those are desktop enviorments on top of the server. |
| 19:58.15 | ratrace | so, like xorg? well only you can answer that question. |
| 19:58.47 | somiaj | If you are going to be accessing remotly using ssh, probabaly not, though if you are going to be using the machine, some like the convience of a gui and webbrowser when configuring things. |
| 19:59.01 | hansol | i will access with ssh |
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| 19:59.36 | hansol | mb i will install xface ? its the lightweight desktop |
| 19:59.46 | hansol | how much ram take xface ? |
| 20:00.12 | ratrace | as much as it needs to run the applications you want |
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| 20:01.03 | joepublic | X Face? |
| 20:01.30 | Gryllida | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/x2goserver/4.1.0.3-5/#x2goserver_4.1.0.3-5 how do i install this x2goserver version? i need to downgrade because of https://bugs.x2go.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527 . why is the newer version still kept in stable if it is broken? |
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| 20:01.44 | Gryllida | hi joepublic, why X Face? |
| 20:01.51 | hansol | i will install db without xorg |
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| 20:02.18 | ratrace | joepublic: xfce4 probs |
| 20:02.36 | hansol | it's easy to configure static ip network from command line ? |
| 20:02.37 | joepublic | sorry, I am curious what X Face is. searching not enlightening |
| 20:02.46 | joepublic | ah, good point ratrace |
| 20:03.03 | hansol | Xfce** sry for mistake |
| 20:03.10 | joepublic | my fault, no problem |
| 20:04.01 | ratrace | ,v x2goserver |
| 20:04.02 | judd | Package: x2goserver on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.1.0.3-3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.1.0.3-4; bullseye: 4.1.0.3-5; sid: 4.1.0.3-5 |
| 20:04.13 | ratrace | Gryllida: so you mean you need to upgrade? |
| 20:04.19 | karlpinc | !tell Gryllida about stable |
| 20:04.22 | Gryllida | joepublic: not http://xface.fbk.eu/ ? |
| 20:04.32 | Gryllida | ratrace: no |
| 20:04.34 | Gryllida | ratrace: i'm using stable |
| 20:04.36 | joepublic | apparently not. |
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| 20:04.47 | Gryllida | ratrace: but when i install x2goserver it has that bug which i linked |
| 20:04.53 | ratrace | Gryllida: right and the version you linked is UPgrade from the version in stable |
| 20:04.58 | Gryllida | ratrace: so i want to downgrade that one particular package |
| 20:05.22 | joepublic | you can't downgrade to a newer upgrade version. think on it for a moment. |
| 20:05.32 | Gryllida | ratrace: my current version is 4.1.0.3-4; i need 4.0.1.15 or earlier |
| 20:05.47 | Gryllida | ratrace: you're right, i'm looking at the wrong version |
| 20:05.50 | ratrace | Gryllida: but you linked 4.1.0.3-5 |
| 20:06.10 | ratrace | Gryllida: anyway you can't in debian unless you port it from a custom deb or debsrc |
| 20:06.17 | Gryllida | ratrace: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/x2goserver/ does not have any sufficiently old version :( |
| 20:06.31 | ratrace | maybe easier to patch the version in stable |
| 20:06.37 | Gryllida | ratrace: why is a broken package even present in stable? |
| 20:06.45 | ratrace | you'll have to ask the maintainer that |
| 20:06.51 | joepublic | yeah, isn't it 100% bug free? |
| 20:07.08 | annadane | it is not |
| 20:07.22 | ratrace | Gryllida: if the fix is trivial, you could use debsrc for the Stable version, pull in the patch from GH and rebuild |
| 20:07.30 | joepublic | had no release critical bugs at release, though. |
| 20:07.56 | Gryllida | it does not work. x2goclient does not connect to it. it is in my opinion a critical thing |
| 20:07.57 | ratrace | many packages in debian are buggy. nginx for example has broken http2 implementation which is grinding my gears, but eh.... |
| 20:08.04 | joepublic | *known |
| 20:08.07 | ratrace | (there's nginx repo for debian with the shiny version) |
| 20:08.25 | Gryllida | i will let the upstream and/or the debian maintainer know about this. thank you |
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| 20:11.09 | hansol | on debian is mariadb or mysql ? |
| 20:11.26 | somiaj | hansol: if you are going to connect though ssh, xfce won't really be needed. You could connect to a remote desktop or use xorg forwarding over ssh, but might learn more just using the console over ssh and not need that. |
| 20:11.31 | somiaj | debian uses mariadb |
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| 20:12.06 | hansol | understand |
| 20:13.31 | hansol | so i downloaded CD 1 and will make bootable iso, do i need internet while im installing debian 10 ? |
| 20:14.46 | joepublic | you don't need network while installing from cd1 (but using it is supported) |
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| 20:15.25 | somiaj | If you have internet it is best, so you have access to any security updates and packages that may not be on the cd. |
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| 20:17.34 | hansol | understand |
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| 20:19.08 | somiaj | in general I suggest using the netinstall image and just downloading the packages you need during the install. If you have a slow internet connection or want an offline copy of the files, then the cd images can be useful. |
| 20:19.16 | somiaj | but since you have cd1, you can just go with that. |
| 20:19.51 | hansol | version 10.4 right ? |
| 20:20.45 | hansol | if have new version 11 or bigger i can easly update to new version ??? |
| 20:20.46 | karlpinc | hansol: Any version 10. If you're on-line you'll get the newest downloaded during the install. Otherwise you update afterwards. |
| 20:21.17 | karlpinc | hansol: To upgrade major versions you should follow the instructions in the new versions release notes. |
| 20:22.01 | somiaj | buseter will never be version 11. |
| 20:22.23 | hansol | understand |
| 20:22.23 | somiaj | But packages will get security updates before the next point release, so there are packages newer than 10.4, eventhough there is no 10.5 yet. |
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| 20:22.37 | somiaj | *newer than IN 10.4 |
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| 20:27.17 | oxek | anyone have a guide how to partition a GPT disk to make it bootable from a PC with BIOS not UEFI? |
| 20:27.44 | oxek | I know there was something like a gpt bios boot partition of size 1M |
| 20:27.48 | oxek | but not sure how it all works |
| 20:28.55 | somiaj | You can't find one on google. Basically you need to make an MBR partition and label/mark it as such. |
| 20:30.04 | somiaj | hmm, guess there isn't any clear guide on this. |
| 20:30.41 | oxek | yeah I looked online before coming here |
| 20:32.26 | oxek | if I understand it correctly I need this: partition disk as GPT. Make first partition 1M type BIOS boot, then the rest of my partitions. Install grub into the MBR of the drive (even though the MBR does not really exist on GPT disks) |
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| 20:33.40 | somiaj | yea that seems to be what I recall, found this "Use of a protective MBR at LBA Sector 0 for assuring backwards compatibility for utilities that do not understand the GPT system. This protective MBR has the partition type value "0xee" and induces fdisk to refer to GNU Parted partition editor, as follows." |
| 20:34.40 | H4ndy | Is the disk larger than 2TB? |
| 20:35.22 | H4ndy | if not, just convert the whole disk to MBR and be done |
| 20:37.32 | oxek | H4ndy: yes, 4TB SSD |
| 20:37.41 | oxek | in fact, two of them, in RAID |
| 20:38.05 | dvs | oxek, you also need an EFI partition. Microsoft recommends 500MB but I think that's larger than necessary for Debian |
| 20:38.25 | oxek | dvs: I don't think I need an EFI partition because it is a BIOS system |
| 20:38.52 | dvs | oxek, ok, as long as it's not an NVMe |
| 20:39.00 | oxek | plain old SATA3 |
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| 20:39.08 | oxek | why would an nvme be different? |
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| 20:39.33 | oxek | in fact, I don't think there are any BIOS systems with nvme anyway |
| 20:39.36 | dvs | oxek, dunno why it's necessary but it won't work without an EFI partition |
| 20:40.21 | dvs | oxek, oh I think it's because you cannot use BIOS to boot off of an NVMe disk |
| 20:40.26 | somiaj | oxek: and there is no way to use efi boot on this system? |
| 20:42.25 | oxek | somiaj: old system, does not have uefi |
| 20:43.31 | oxek | I mean there's DUET but I'd prefer to avoid it |
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| 20:43.43 | somiaj | would having a single small disk with an mbr partition and /boot just to boot the system be a possibility? Though what you want is possible, just seems unstandard and I didn't find good docs on it. |
| 20:43.44 | oxek | does not sound like a well tested solution |
| 20:44.27 | oxek | I suppose I could boot from a usb stick formatted as MBR |
| 20:45.08 | somiaj | not that what you want can't be done, this might just be easier. I couldn't find any good guides on how to do it except that you need an MBR partition compadblity at the start of the table. |
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| 20:51.45 | oxek | what troubles me is that my only source of info in this is basically the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_boot_partition |
| 20:52.10 | oxek | and I really enjoy having the string "Hah!IdontNeedEFI" on my disk :) |
| 20:53.19 | oxek | might put a smile on border-agents' faces next time my laptop is searched |
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| 21:10.01 | weswroten | got an issue. after updating just now, debian says i am missing firmware |
| 21:10.09 | weswroten | debian i686 |
| 21:10.11 | weswroten | latest |
| 21:10.13 | weswroten | i guess |
| 21:10.17 | H4ndy | Easiest would be just use a different disk for the OS and just use the 4TB thingy as a data partition |
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| 21:10.37 | weswroten | where can i paste the error i get? |
| 21:10.38 | H4ndy | but yeah laptops and stuff, sucks |
| 21:10.59 | jmcnaught | weswroten: https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:12.00 | weswroten | https://paste.debian.net/1147206/ |
| 21:12.13 | weswroten | thats what happens when i just updated |
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| 21:12.28 | weswroten | does that mean anything bad? |
| 21:13.34 | annadane | ,file cnl_dmc_ver1_07.bin |
| 21:13.39 | judd | Search for cnl_dmc_ver1_07.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/cnl_dmc_ver1_07.bin |
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| 21:13.48 | annadane | i'd install that ^ probably |
| 21:13.54 | annadane | though in general, |
| 21:13.56 | annadane | !warning |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 21:14.09 | annadane | apt install firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 21:15.40 | weswroten | ok |
| 21:16.40 | weswroten | time to cross my fingers, light a candle, sacrifice a virgin goat on the nth eve of the northeren frostbitten moon goddess and reboot |
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| 21:21.34 | oxek | H4ndy: yeah, this is a rugged laptop with two sata3 disk slots, with hardware raid. So I don't have many other options |
| 21:22.42 | oxek | annadane: I always do `apt install firmware-linux` and that seems to pull almost everything. Is that a bad thing to do? |
| 21:23.02 | flayer | only if you feel shame |
| 21:23.08 | sney | it's overkill but it won't break anything |
| 21:23.45 | annadane | they were asking *me*! how dare you intrude on what *i* was going to answer! |
| 21:23.49 | annadane | (i didn't know the answer) |
| 21:23.53 | sney | rip |
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| 21:33.11 | oxek | what's a good livecd that includes hdparm and can suspend to RAM (to unfreeze the hdd)? |
| 21:34.47 | sney | grml has hdparm, I don't know offhand if it can s2ram but I don't see why not |
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| 21:41.45 | somiaj | since grml is based on debian, you can apt install anything it doesn't have in the live envoirment |
| 21:41.56 | somiaj | this of course needs to be done each boot. |
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| 21:42.47 | oxek | first time I hear of grml, is it decent? |
| 21:43.15 | sney | it's got a good reputation |
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| 21:59.11 | sponix | sney: After yet another GUI freeze, I am taking your recommendation. I am now only rocking 1 GPU, and it is the one that didn't control the video during the last video issue. I also have it put it in a lower slot |
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| 22:45.00 | annadane | has anyone tried yakuake in xfce? how well does it work? |
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| 22:50.28 | annadane | !tias |
| 22:50.28 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 22:50.32 | annadane | thanks, annadane |
| 22:50.34 | annadane | yw |
| 22:50.42 | dvs | !anyone |
| 22:50.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:50.45 | dvs | ;-P |
| 22:50.52 | annadane | 143 dependencies?! |
| 22:50.54 | annadane | nope. |
| 22:50.55 | annadane | abort |
| 22:51.41 | annadane | i was just tired of alt tabbing to a new terminal but i'm not installing that |
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| 22:52.13 | joepublic | So how's that yakuake workin in xfce? |
| 22:52.48 | annadane | i should see what it is with no-install-recommends though |
| 22:53.13 | annadane | 114... |
| 22:53.25 | annadane | i'm lazy, i'll try it later |
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| 22:54.40 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1147223/ |
| 22:54.56 | sney | yeah, it's a plasma app. |
| 22:55.25 | annadane | yeap. |
| 22:56.29 | sney | ,i tilda |
| 22:56.30 | judd | Package tilda (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: GTK+ based drop down terminal for Linux and Unix. Version: 1.4.1-2.1; Size: 98.0k; Installed: 392k; Homepage: http://github.com/lanoxx/tilda; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/tilda |
| 22:56.35 | sney | there you go annadane |
| 22:57.00 | annadane | oh thanks, i also found guake which seems to be more reasonable |
| 22:57.34 | pw- | boy oh boy, if you decide to grab the unstable firefox package on your buster install, it's going to replace your desktop environment and a bunch of dependencies with the unstable ones as well |
| 22:57.37 | pw- | that's super fun |
| 22:57.48 | annadane | !frankendebian |
| 22:57.48 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 22:58.12 | pw- | i don't really need help with it |
| 22:58.14 | annadane | it's pretty easy to get firefox stable in buster, i just downloaded mozilla's tarball |
| 22:58.25 | pw- | yeah, that's what i should have done |
| 22:58.37 | pw- | but the unstable cinnamon works fine after you fix it |
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| 23:05.56 | somiaj | annadane: are you trying to find a tab terminal? |
| 23:06.04 | somiaj | annadane: have you ever looked into screen or tmux? |
| 23:06.29 | somiaj | pw-: if you are going to run a whole DE from unstable, you should just run unstable. |
| 23:06.50 | pw- | thats terrible advice |
| 23:06.56 | annadane | i have, i'm not looking for screen/tmux, i just need a quick terminal (well, "need") without alt tabbing |
| 23:07.04 | pw- | i could switch desktop environments tomorrow and then have a whole unstable OS |
| 23:07.40 | sney | once you mix stable with unstable, any kind of "stability" you had is out the window, so you may as well move up to testing at least |
| 23:07.43 | somiaj | pw-: I don't think you understand what debian unstable means, but don't just install some unstable packages in stable. Either run stable or unstable, don't mix. |
| 23:08.26 | somiaj | testing/unstable are quite usable for a desktop enviorment |
| 23:08.37 | pw- | i do fully understand what debian unstable means, and having an unstable desktop environment does not impact the rest of the OS, and suggesting that one should switch completely to an unstable environment because of a desktop environment is more than silly |
| 23:09.11 | somiaj | pw-: that is where you are mistaken, the DE depends on lots of core libaries, and as such it does impact the whole os if your core libaries are from unstable |
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| 23:10.12 | pw- | i do believe you are mistaken. switching back to stable cinnamon is possible and not overly time consuming |
| 23:10.19 | pw- | and not that many core libraries are affected |
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| 23:10.49 | pw- | i do have two sid boxes on this network, and a testing box, and quite a few untouched busters that sit there and run processes all day |
| 23:11.40 | pw- | and taking a comment like "i learned that if you do X, Y happens" and turning it into "let me tell you how you should operate your box without any additional info about what you are trying to do," i think we can all agree, is silly |
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| 23:12.27 | pw- | but i do appreciate the input |
| 23:13.47 | army | you'll end with an Frankenstein version of Debian that way |
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| 23:14.24 | pw- | i seem to already have angry villagers coming after my install |
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| 23:16.51 | r3ply` | Hey guys, I'm playing with a distro that is only based off debian 10 sid, its for a PowerPC, and I'm having some issues with Xserver... anyone want to try to help out? I'm pretty new at troubleshooing X so maybe even some basic check this check that help might get me there, thanks! |
| 23:17.05 | sney | !based on debian |
| 23:17.05 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 23:17.17 | sney | (and there is no such thing as "debian 10 sid") |
| 23:17.38 | annadane | r3ply`, not to be mean but consider using something less volatile like actual debian 10 |
| 23:17.46 | annadane | your life will be happier |
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| 23:18.00 | annadane | unless this is just a throwaway computer or something and not your daily driver |
| 23:18.14 | joepublic | debian 10 is not sid. used to be, but not recently. |
| 23:18.26 | annadane | debian 10 is never sid because sid isn't a release |
| 23:18.57 | sney | whether debian is usable would depend on what kind of powerpc the machine is, I think the older apple power cpus might have been downgraded to ports status or removed altogether |
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| 23:20.35 | sney | yep, (32-bit) powerpc was a release architecture from debian 2.2 to debian 9. well, that's recent enough that the docs should still be ok. https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 23:23.17 | somiaj | annadane: I don't know what yakuake is, but how does this give you a quick terminal wihtout alt-tabing. Do you want a keybinding that you hit, and it finds your next open terminal? |
| 23:23.41 | annadane | i want a popup terminal that goes away with a single keypress; i found tilda |
| 23:23.59 | annadane | or rather, sney found tilda |
| 23:24.02 | annadane | and i stole the credit for it |
| 23:24.04 | sney | and I found yakuake! |
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| 23:24.55 | r3ply` | sney, its fienixppc, which says is based off debian 10 + MATE... I loaded debian 10 for ppc64 no issues, also lubuntu, now I'm just playing with this Fienix OS, but I'm having some graphics issues which I think are X and driver related. Possibly boot config related. Since its based off debian I thouht to ask here about basic X stuff I can poke at. My X-skills are around level 0 ;) |
| 23:25.00 | somiaj | Still seems strange to me you need a special app for this, just need a keybinding that iconfies/uniconfies a running termainal, then use the terminal of your choice. |
| 23:25.09 | somiaj | in fvwm this is really easy to do, and works with all terminals. |
| 23:25.26 | annadane | meh |
| 23:25.56 | somiaj | annadane: also for ppc, there really isn't a supported stable release. Even the ppc port is based off of sid like all unoffical ports. |
| 23:26.28 | sney | r3ply`: the people in #debian are volunteers who mostly use debian. we can't be expected to babysit all of the thousands of derivatives and whatever changes they may have made. come back to debian ppc64 if you want to party with us, but otherwise you're on your own. |
| 23:26.36 | annadane | i didn't link the ports lin |
| 23:26.37 | annadane | k |
| 23:26.50 | somiaj | also the docs to install the debian ppc port are fairly poor, and can be a bit difficult. |
| 23:27.16 | somiaj | sure, I was just pointing out debian 10 does not support ppc |
| 23:27.56 | sney | confession: last time I dealt with debian powerpc was on 2.2, the first debian version ever released for that arch |
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| 23:28.55 | somiaj | There is an uoffical port, which is packages from sid, but due to ppc being a pain, it is kinda difficult to install (at least from watching people here fumble with it for weeks on end) |
| 23:29.18 | somiaj | this could of course been a pebcak issue, and it isn't as difficult to install as the ones I've seen trying to install it seem to indicate. |
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| 23:31.25 | sney | The main issue with non-x86 architectures is usually the bootloader and sometimes also the gpu. the rest is all pretty foolproof. |
| 23:32.20 | somiaj | and not having an offical installer .iso |
| 23:32.30 | somiaj | well that is the issue with the ppc port |
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| 23:35.46 | sney | "official" is a flimsy defense in here when we spam the firmware image factoid multiple times per day. I'm sure this is just as d-i as anything https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/10.0/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 23:36.55 | somiaj | I personally tried to find info about how to install and the ports page, and never found anything even that nice. |
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| 23:37.30 | somiaj | though maybe it has sligly improved now that we are two releases with after ppc, the first release was slow to even show ppc on ports.debian.org |
| 23:37.43 | sney | it's on debian.org/ports between the "list of other ports" header and the actual list |
| 23:38.01 | sney | but debian's crappy website navigation is a whole nother problem |
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| 23:52.59 | evidlo2 | does debian support multiarch binaries yet? I'm looking to use Cython + a cross-compiled toolchain to build a static binary of a Python program |
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