| 00:00.21 | black_13 | is there a debian version that uses a 5.2 kernel |
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| 00:00.33 | annadane | specifically? or minimum 5.2? |
| 00:00.36 | annadane | 5.5 is in backports |
| 00:00.40 | black_13 | well not really |
| 00:00.52 | annadane | !debian backports |
| 00:00.52 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 00:00.53 | black_13 | but something that works with an amd ryzen 5 |
| 00:01.32 | annadane | i'm surprised ryzen 5 doesn't work with buster |
| 00:01.35 | annadane | but yeah try backports |
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| 00:02.10 | black_13 | how do you install that using an iso |
| 00:02.33 | annadane | that, is where my knowledge ends. wait a bit and see if someone smarter answers you |
| 00:05.38 | jmcnaught | black_13: are you unable to install Debian without booting a newer kernel? Which generation of Ryzen is it? |
| 00:06.01 | black_13 | ryzen 5 3500u |
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| 00:07.15 | ratrace | black_13: generic amd64 that debian builds for, must run on any Ryzen. do you get an error or something? |
| 00:07.18 | sponix | annadane: I did zfs support as a backport -- Makes me feel special |
| 00:07.19 | jmcnaught | I don't see why that wouldn't work with the 4.19 kernel that the installer uses. |
| 00:07.46 | ratrace | if anything it's newer GCC, not the kernel, that one might want to get the new instructions for newer CPUs |
| 00:07.51 | annadane | yeah, like, isn't the latest ryzen 9 or something? i was just looking at this |
| 00:07.59 | annadane | the kernel in deb 10 ought to be enough |
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| 00:08.27 | ratrace | annadane: no the numbers don't go like that, it's way more confusing |
| 00:08.44 | jmcnaught | annadane: ryzen 3 5 7 & 9 are just marketing numbers to correspond to i3 i5 i7 & i9 |
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| 00:09.30 | jmcnaught | The Ryzen 5 3500U is a Zen+ microarchitecture chip, which is the same as my 2700X and Debian runs just fine with the stock 4.19 kernel. |
| 00:09.59 | Lovepump | You may need to add the amd firmware |
| 00:10.02 | Lovepump | I had to |
| 00:10.07 | ratrace | 3nnn[X] are zen2 |
| 00:10.09 | Lovepump | even for my gen 1 |
| 00:10.34 | jmcnaught | ratrace: the mobile ones are zen+ |
| 00:10.36 | ratrace | 2nnn[X] are zen+, and 4nnn[X] are the upcoming zen3 |
| 00:10.57 | jmcnaught | mobile 3nnnU are zen+ I mean. |
| 00:11.04 | sponix | annadane: the regular CPU portions of the Ryzen APU's should work fine, but the GPU portion of it I think actually requires like kernel 5.0/5.4 for them depending on the generation |
| 00:11.30 | ratrace | jmcnaught: I don't think so, 3nnn must be zen2 |
| 00:11.31 | annadane | still, should at least be able to get it booted enough to install from backports |
| 00:11.47 | ratrace | aka the "Ryzen 3000 series" |
| 00:12.17 | sponix | annadane: another weird thing, where Intel/Nvidia on laptops have the switcher thing between iGPU and dGPU - AMD_APU+AMD_GPU has no Linux solution yet that I'm aware of :P |
| 00:12.28 | jmcnaught | ratrace: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_5/3500u |
| 00:12.49 | sponix | Unit193: you alive ? I am running that "Desktop Kernel" now, and it does make things snappier |
| 00:13.16 | Unit193 | sponix: Liquorix actually makes things snappier? Cool. |
| 00:14.18 | ratrace | jmcnaught: that site is wrong. 3nnn are the zen2 chips |
| 00:14.31 | sponix | Unit193: Yeah, at the expense of a bit more CPU load -- well it spikes up and down more. It launches apps faster, switches tasks better, and so forth. And do my knowledge my server background stuff isn't suffering to the point of any user complaints |
| 00:14.54 | sponix | Linux sponix 5.6.0-12.1-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT liquorix 5.6-8~mx19+1 (2020-05-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:15.05 | ratrace | jmcnaught: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-3500u |
| 00:15.29 | ratrace | jmcnaught: and under zen core you find zen 2: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/zen-core |
| 00:15.46 | sponix | Unit193: I had to backport ZFS 0.8.4 from Sid to my buster to get support for kernels above 5.4 -- that wasn't as bad as I anticipated |
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| 00:16.47 | Unit193 | sponix: Ah right, it's up to 5.6 now so should have wireguard too. |
| 00:17.08 | Unit193 | Been a while since I tried it, perhaps I should do so again for the heck of it. |
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| 00:17.51 | sponix | Unit193: I might have to try wireguard vs openvpn. Friend was saying he got WAY better speeds on regular openvpn with mullvad |
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| 00:18.28 | deadrom | hi |
| 00:18.31 | sponix | Unit193: I have a option running off a Government server rack somewhere that I could have wireguard added to at my request :) |
| 00:18.31 | Unit193 | sponix: Ahh, I use wireguard with my own server to have a LAN, or optionally fully routed, rather than a hosted solution. |
| 00:18.41 | Unit193 | Wow, shiny! |
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| 00:19.10 | sponix | Unit193: Yeah... I don't VPN up often, but when I do folks normally leave the GOV stuff alone when they see it lol |
| 00:19.19 | deadrom | debian 10 vm pings a machine by name on same subnet. target's IP changed. deb pings old address. why does it think the machine is on the old address? where is that cached? |
| 00:19.43 | sponix | deadrom: most likely the "arp" table(s) |
| 00:20.07 | sponix | wonders if "arp -a" still does anything or if that is outdated also |
| 00:20.56 | sponix | deadrom: try "sudo arp -a" or run arp -a as root |
| 00:21.38 | sponix | hope that actually does exist in the Debian 10 base. I didn't verify that one |
| 00:22.56 | somiaj | deadrom: did you hard code the ip in /etc/hosts? |
| 00:24.08 | deadrom | somiaj: no.. and sponix, there's two entries, one <incomplete> to the old adress, one to the new address with mac. |
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| 00:24.17 | deadrom | what would the system keep the incomplete one for? |
| 00:25.12 | somiaj | there is some DNS controling what foo.subnet ip resolves to, maybe the DNS isn't fully updating to the new ip, what does dig on the full domain name give? |
| 00:27.50 | deadrom | somiaj: has two ANSWER entries, old first, then current |
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| 00:31.25 | deadrom | DNS is a run of the mill fritzbox which holds only the new entry |
| 00:36.42 | deadrom | ip -s -s neigh flush all says 192.168.47.26 dev enp0s17 used 64/128/62 probes 6 FAILED |
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| 00:41.00 | somiaj | could it be a TTL issue, where the local dns has cached the IP and won't refresh it from the maneserver until after the TTL time has ellapsed? |
| 00:41.19 | somiaj | *nameserver |
| 00:43.19 | deadrom | https://serverfault.com/questions/765380/when-do-stale-arp-entries-become-failed-when-never-used <- the third answer with 6 upvotes explains a lot of things, but it's just like here: the link has been stale for... at least 4 days |
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| 00:46.23 | deadrom | rebooted. if it sticks now I'll use foul language. |
| 00:49.41 | deadrom | goddammit |
| 00:51.34 | deadrom | now I did in fact create a hosts entry manually. |
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| 02:27.17 | sponix | Anyone in here happen to use Linux with a recent kernel, and AMD RX 500 series card, and OBS ? |
| 02:31.30 | somiaj | maybe see if ##linux has info on if a recent kernel would support that. Best debian can say is have you tried the backports kernel and firmware? |
| 02:34.00 | sponix | somiaj: I have not tried anything yet actually. Just want to wipe Windows 10 off this Rig and Do Linux. Like to Game+Stream on it, and know Windows+OBS+AMD_drivers just got this AMD HW acceleration recently. Would miss it a bit if Linux can't do it on the GPU |
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| 02:34.28 | sponix | I will ask there also though, surely someone has a similar setup that can tell me if that combo works |
| 02:34.49 | somiaj | well looks like the card is actually a few years old. firmware-amd-graphics and a kernel should be enough. |
| 02:35.00 | somiaj | If the stock kernel doesn't work, the backports kernel + firmware should |
| 02:35.51 | somiaj | I did see someone have issue with a recent amd in #debian-next, but their card was very new, but this seires seems like 2017/2018. |
| 02:36.33 | somiaj | but I see various google posts atht the amdgpu driver + firmware in linux works, so I think your chances are good. |
| 02:36.52 | sponix | Yeah... Think I am just gonna "go for it" |
| 02:37.02 | somiaj | sponix: you can always try the live image first |
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| 02:37.14 | sponix | worst case, I end up crawling back to Windows 10 |
| 02:37.34 | somiaj | there are live iamges with non-free firmware, though if this doens't work it doesn't mean a backport kernel+firmware would work. |
| 02:38.12 | sponix | somiaj: oddly enough, I know what kernel I want... And I NEVER thought it could make this much of a difference. But it DOES |
| 02:38.16 | sponix | Linux sponix 5.6.0-12.1-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT liquorix 5.6-8~mx19+1 (2020-05-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:38.46 | sponix | The Game on my big rig right now with Proton would LAG prior to installing that "Desktop" kernel |
| 02:39.56 | sney | well, 5.6 is in bullseye now, so it'll hit backports relatively soon |
| 02:41.22 | somiaj | I think it is the liquorix patches they want, which I don't have expreince with. |
| 02:41.43 | somiaj | but yes, thrid party patches can affect things, luckly it is easy to test by just trying out a more stock kernel with that gpu |
| 02:42.31 | somiaj | sponix: some thrid party patches can make huge preformance differnces in certain things, but they often come with drawbacks. |
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| 02:45.44 | sponix | somiaj: Yeah, well this real time feel with lower latency on things does cost me some higher CPU spikes. But not to the point that my background tasks serving users (such as plex) have suffered enough to cause user complaints -- So, Kinda of a win for me |
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| 06:44.35 | Kats99 | Looks like the problem is no $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS found |
| 06:45.13 | spinningCat-work | debian dont see my wireless |
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| 06:49.01 | Rust3dCor3 | Hi. I will be switching from intel cpu whit nvidia gpu to an amd cpu and still nvidia but newer gpu. will i need to reinstall/modify my system or i can leave my os intact? |
| 06:51.56 | diogenes_ | Rust3dCor3, it depends if you have nvidia driver installed. |
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| 06:54.26 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 06:55.46 | no_gravity | I noticed that in my docker containers, the time is 2 hours behind my host. What is the best way to change that? |
| 06:57.24 | spinningCat-work | man what is the problem of Debian? |
| 06:58.04 | spinningCat-work | I saw debian detected my wireless card but there is no list of accesible networks |
| 06:58.40 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: WLAN is the Achilles heel of Debian. |
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| 06:59.24 | spinningCat-work | dont follow that you said here |
| 06:59.32 | spinningCat-work | so debian has problem with wireless? |
| 06:59.59 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: Well, there are many wireless hardware modules out there. |
| 07:00.08 | spinningCat-work | so? |
| 07:00.22 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: And not all manufacturers make it easy to write drivers for their modules. |
| 07:00.29 | miskatonic | they require proprietary firmware |
| 07:00.40 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: So the first step is to figure out which wireless device is in your computer. |
| 07:00.41 | spinningCat-work | well i dont have that problem in ubuntu |
| 07:00.58 | spinningCat-work | no_gravity, that is easy |
| 07:01.18 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: Because Ubuntu bundles non-free hardware. Which might be available for your wlan device. |
| 07:01.24 | spinningCat-work | miskatonic, so debian does not have prop driver but ubuntu has ? |
| 07:01.28 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: Because Ubuntu bundles non-free *software*. Which might be available for your wlan device. |
| 07:01.56 | miskatonic | only in the non-free section, if at all |
| 07:01.58 | spinningCat-work | no_gravity, so debian does not get source that ubuntu can get |
| 07:02.08 | Rust3dCor3 | diogenes_, yes i have the closed driver installed |
| 07:02.12 | spinningCat-work | i enabled non-free section in sources.list |
| 07:02.25 | Rust3dCor3 | should i reinstall it after upgrade remove before upgrade? |
| 07:02.34 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: There might be no source published for your wireless device. |
| 07:02.56 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: You can find out. First step is to find out which wireless device is in your computer. |
| 07:03.03 | spinningCat-work | no_gravity, i can see my wireless device when i type lspci |
| 07:03.06 | miskatonic | if there is a special agreement between canonical and hw manufacturer, it is not even available in non-free |
| 07:03.17 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: Yes |
| 07:03.24 | spinningCat-work | i can get the model |
| 07:03.35 | spinningCat-work | just gimme a sec let me share model |
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| 07:04.02 | diogenes_ | Rust3dCor3, then make sure the newer card model is supported by the driver version on your system. |
| 07:04.07 | no_gravity | miskatonic: Canonical does that type of deals? |
| 07:04.35 | miskatonic | I do not know, for firmware, but at least they do so dfor uefi |
| 07:04.58 | miskatonic | the secureboot thing |
| 07:05.40 | spinningCat-work | it is rtl8732be |
| 07:05.55 | spinningCat-work | realtek semiconductor |
| 07:06.36 | no_gravity | Is this the way to set the timezone in Linux? rm /etc/localtime && ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime |
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| 07:06.45 | themill | .i firmware-realtek |
| 07:06.51 | themill | ,i firmware-realtek |
| 07:06.52 | judd | Package firmware-realtek (non-free/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT adapters. Version: 20190114-2; Size: 493.1k; Installed: 1563k; Homepage: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git |
| 07:06.57 | themill | spinningCat-work: ^^ |
| 07:07.32 | themill | no_gravity: both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime need to be set |
| 07:08.13 | no_gravity | themill: Both via a softlink? |
| 07:09.18 | no_gravity | themill: What happens when I only link /etc/localtime? |
| 07:09.37 | Rust3dCor3 | diogenes_, my current driver version is 418.74. for my current card i can update to 440.82. the new card that i want to buy also supports 440.82. |
| 07:09.51 | themill | no_gravity: /etc/timezone has the name of the timezone in it |
| 07:09.55 | spinningCat-work | themill, which file should i download? |
| 07:10.11 | themill | spinningCat-work: do you currently have network access from that machine? |
| 07:10.22 | no_gravity | themill: So I should echo something into that file? |
| 07:10.43 | themill | no_gravity: yeah, "Europe/Berlin" |
| 07:10.57 | no_gravity | themill: Ok, thanks! |
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| 07:11.08 | spinningCat-work | themill, yeah |
| 07:11.22 | diogenes_ | Rust3dCor3, then all is well, no reinstallation needed. |
| 07:11.22 | spinningCat-work | with ethernet |
| 07:11.31 | themill | spinningCat-work: "apt install firmware-realtek" should be enough then |
| 07:11.42 | Rust3dCor3 | diogenes_, thank You |
| 07:11.52 | miskatonic | there are also cities named berlin in the US |
| 07:12.03 | diogenes_ | you're welcome. |
| 07:12.39 | spinningCat-work | let me try themill |
| 07:12.46 | spinningCat-work | it is buster btw |
| 07:14.53 | no_gravity | I often think that using IRC speeds up software development by 100%. |
| 07:15.32 | spinningCat-work | it seems there is no firmware-realtek here |
| 07:15.49 | spinningCat-work | i guess i need to download it manually |
| 07:16.13 | themill | !show sources.list spinningCat-work |
| 07:16.14 | dpkg | spinningCat-work: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
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| 07:16.57 | spinningCat-work | sure sec |
| 07:17.58 | no_gravity | Debian should come with a raspberry pi. So you can plug in the PI into the USB port of your machine and have it be a bridge to your wifi. So you can download the wifi drivers. |
| 07:18.42 | no_gravity | Thats how I would do it these days. As I don't have ethernet cables lying around anymore. |
| 07:19.51 | no_gravity | Or just swap out the wifi module for something that is supported by Debian in the first place. Is there such a module? |
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| 07:21.24 | themill | Or just use the installer image with firmware on it |
| 07:21.45 | no_gravity | themill: Is that one officially supported by the Debian foundation? |
| 07:22.12 | themill | There is no Debian Foundation. It's supported as much as anything else is by the volunteers here |
| 07:22.47 | spinningCat-work | themill, http://dpaste.com/1VHQDME i have nothing in sources.list.d/ |
| 07:23.48 | themill | spinningCat-work: typo on line 6 bob â non |
| 07:23.52 | no_gravity | themill: Well, there is a difference of trustworthyness between the main debian distro and something somebody on the internet put together. |
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| 07:24.23 | themill | no_gravity: it's made by the same people who make the CD images using the same software on the same machine and signed the same way |
| 07:24.44 | no_gravity | themill: Link? |
| 07:25.09 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.31 | no_gravity | themill: "unofficial" sounds like an explicit indicator that it is less trustworthy. |
| 07:26.34 | themill | FYI: gpgv: Good signature from "Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" |
| 07:26.48 | themill | no_gravity: Debian does not officially distribute any non-free software |
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| 07:27.19 | themill | no_gravity: if you have non-free or contrib in your sources.list, then you've already crossed that line |
| 07:28.09 | no_gravity | themill: Well, whatever it means that this download is under "unofficial" - I would rather install the thing that has a big green download button on the debian homepage and later add the non-free sources. |
| 07:28.27 | themill | That's entirely up to you, just don't complain about doing so. |
| 07:28.34 | no_gravity | themill: I complained? |
| 07:29.19 | themill | You've exceeded my quota of people who are wrong on the internet that I can be arsed arguing with. |
| 07:30.24 | spinningCat-work | themill, thank you |
| 07:30.27 | miskatonic | i don't have contrib or non-free in my sources.list |
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| 07:32.16 | no_gravity | miskatonic: How do you get wifi to work? |
| 07:32.52 | miskatonic | not at all |
| 07:33.01 | spinningCat-work | hmm |
| 07:33.25 | spinningCat-work | in debian installation phase, debian dont use non-free firmware? |
| 07:33.54 | spinningCat-work | i remembered in the past i didnt have that problem in debian installation. I just used my wireless properly |
| 07:34.05 | spinningCat-work | some policies changed ? |
| 07:34.09 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: With the same wifi hardware? |
| 07:34.42 | spinningCat-work | yeah and broadcom |
| 07:34.59 | no_gravity | spinningCat-work: The same and Broadcom? What does that mean? |
| 07:35.30 | spinningCat-work | I mean i did installation in two different computers what is what i meant |
| 07:35.38 | no_gravity | I see |
| 07:35.52 | miskatonic | I use an usb-to-ethernet adapter to get the network going, but these things are probably not sold any longer |
| 07:36.09 | no_gravity | miskatonic: Did you saw my comment above about using a PI for that? |
| 07:36.24 | spinningCat-work | you mean get wirelss with usb_? |
| 07:36.30 | spinningCat-work | is it called usb connector? |
| 07:36.55 | miskatonic | no, I do not get wireless at all |
| 07:37.29 | no_gravity | miskatonic: The PI can act as a USB-to-Ethernet adapter. |
| 07:37.59 | miskatonic | I don't know what PIs are |
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| 07:38.46 | no_gravity | miskatonic: The most amazing devices since the original iPhone. The PI Zero W for example is a full Linux computer for $20 that weights 10g (with sd card) and can be powered from your usb port. |
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| 07:57.25 | Lampion | Hello everyone, I have just launched a vm under virt-manager and got no GUI, I choose debian 10 under cinammon. |
| 07:58.25 | Lampion | Has anyone experienced this ? I gave it 1Go RAM to go with. |
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| 09:05.35 | Lampion | Hello everyone ! On a debian via live image, what's the option to use su without a password ? |
| 09:05.40 | Lampion | su -%i or something ? |
| 09:06.31 | Wulf | Lampion: sudo, or set empty password for root user. |
| 09:06.44 | Wulf | Lampion: or change the pam settings |
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| 09:07.43 | Lampion | Someone gave me a hint but I can't remember it, I think there was a simpler way. |
| 09:07.58 | Lampion | Sudo doesn't work, still asks me for a password, and blank doesn't work. |
| 09:09.48 | Wulf | Lampion: works for me. I've got this in /etc/shadow: root::18366:0:99999:7::: |
| 09:10.23 | Lampion | Yeah but I'm under live image, man |
| 09:10.54 | Wulf | so? |
| 09:11.54 | Lampion | I don't know how you did to tamper with files that are under the iso |
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| 09:12.39 | Wulf | Lampion: you can create your own. |
| 09:12.54 | Wulf | Lampion: and is that really mounted read-only? |
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| 09:13.37 | Wulf | Lampion: actually I just tried it in a docker container. But it's basically the same. |
| 09:14.26 | Lampion | I don't know, what's a docker container ? |
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| 09:17.28 | bouzu_ | Lampion, i think what you're looking for is passwordless sudo for at least the su command, so you can switch to root with "sudo su -" without a password. but then i wonder why you do care about this on a temporary envirionment/ live cd |
| 09:18.30 | Lampion | I can't get the GUI working, I'm missing stuff and I'm trying some other stuff, I need the su for that. |
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| 09:22.59 | bouzu_ | have you tried just prefixing your commands with "sudo"? pretty sure the default live cd user has permissions for that |
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| 14:31.09 | oxek | Debian-stable, xfce. How do I disable screen switching off after 10 minutes when watching a video on youtube? |
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| 14:33.41 | NetTerminalGene | oxek, as far as i remember you can disable it in screensaver settings |
| 14:34.22 | _bouzu_ | oxek, look for xfce power management, display options |
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| 14:40.18 | annadane | i don't think xfce even has a screensaver |
| 14:40.22 | annadane | but yeah, xfce4-power-manager |
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| 14:43.53 | diogenes_ | ,v xfce4-screensaver |
| 14:43.54 | judd | Package: xfce4-screensaver on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.10-1 |
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| 15:11.32 | Onepamopa | I have some weird "ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object", "ACPI BIOS Error (bug): AE_AML_PACKAGE_LIMIT" and "nct6775.656: Invalid temperature source" messages in dmesg, kernel 5.4.34-1. Do I have to report them someplace? |
| 15:12.00 | Onepamopa | TR 3960x @ asus trx40-pro (latest bios) |
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| 16:15.34 | oxek | NetTerminalGene _bouzu_: I looked around in there, but I can only disable it entirely. I want the screen to turn off if I walk away from my PC for 10+ minutes, but I don't want it to turn off if I am watching a video in firefox for 10+ minutes. |
| 16:15.42 | oxek | it does not appear to have this granularity |
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| 16:16.46 | deadrom | hi |
| 16:17.39 | deadrom | on a regular old desktop computer, how to I send the displays into power save from the console when all screen savers and power save from, say xfce settings are disabled? |
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| 17:21.53 | EdePopede | ratrace: text ads, why not. ey, debian could add some kali and ubuntu ads into its installer to make some bucks |
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| 17:22.21 | ratrace | that'd be the day I've erased debian from all the servers and computers I oversee :) |
| 17:23.43 | EdePopede | tbh i'm fighting myself wuth smartctl's manpage right now. it is long and i don't really use the program every day |
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| 17:24.42 | EdePopede | created some output already and can't even decipher the table. i know i've read somewhere about the classes of values and how to interprete them, maybe even in the manpage. no idea. |
| 17:25.08 | ratrace | evil smartctl causing people to fight themselves! Evil Dead style. |
| 17:25.19 | mainstreet | Hi. I'm trying to apt-get upgrade my box and I just get a bunch of 404's from debian.org. What's the obvious thing I'm forgetting, or...? >> |
| 17:25.39 | oxek | mainstreet: what are your sources.list? |
| 17:25.42 | EdePopede | mainstreet: some outdated repo links? |
| 17:25.45 | H4ndy | well check which servers fail and see if they can be replaced with another mirror |
| 17:26.02 | oxek | mainstreet: just replace everything with deb.debian.org |
| 17:27.28 | mainstreet | right now it's security.debian.org that's failing, I should replace that with deb.debian.org ? |
| 17:27.36 | karlpinc | EdePopede: This is what I do: http://paste.debian.net/1147303/ |
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| 17:29.14 | oxek | mainstreet: yes |
| 17:29.21 | mainstreet | hmm, didn't help |
| 17:29.22 | oxek | deb.debian.org has everything, including security |
| 17:29.49 | oxek | did you run `apt update` after editing the sources? |
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| 17:31.20 | mainstreet | I did run an apt-get update, but it also didn't go well |
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| 17:34.32 | mainstreet | Here's my update output: https://pastebin.com/P9yK6RB6 |
| 17:35.00 | oxek | can you paste the output of `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` somewhere? |
| 17:35.28 | oxek | also, what version of debian are you on? |
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| 17:35.45 | oxek | you have some wheezy sources in there... that's out of support by now |
| 17:36.16 | mainstreet | https://pastebin.com/UmxhedMp |
| 17:36.53 | mainstreet | okay so what should this actually look like? It's been a while since I've done anything with this box other than just kept it running tbh... summer break just started, heh |
| 17:38.24 | oxek | you're very likely on an unsupported version of debian, wheezy ended its long-term support in 2018. Easiest thing would be to just reinstall because upgrade path is not supported either. |
| 17:38.37 | oxek | someone else in here might help you |
| 17:38.45 | mainstreet | ah |
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| 17:40.30 | jmcnaught | !wheezy sources.list |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
| 17:41.32 | jmcnaught | mainstreet: ^^ but remember it's not supported, so no security vulnerabilities are getting fixed. The instructions for how to upgrade to Debian 8 are in the release notes. Debian 8 only has LTS support until June, so you'll also want to upgrade to Debian 9 |
| 17:41.52 | mainstreet | nods. Can I upgrade straight to 9, then? |
| 17:42.02 | jmcnaught | no you cannot skip releases |
| 17:42.12 | tds | how much is this machine running? |
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| 17:42.23 | tds | it may well be easier and cleaner just to migrate services to a fresh buster box, rather than upgrading |
| 17:42.39 | karlpinc | mainstreet, oxek : You can upgrade. You just can't skip major releases. So you need to upgrade to each release from the last. |
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| 17:45.35 | mainstreet | Hmmm, possibly. I'm running a small website (mainly just a personal dump site) + some irc related stuff... so yeah, I may just want to make a new droplet and move stuff over. |
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| 17:46.35 | sney | I used to use digital ocean and from what I can remember, their images sometimes don't upgrade cleanly anyway |
| 17:46.49 | karlpinc | sney: What did you switch to? |
| 17:47.09 | sney | joyent, but then they shut down. now I use ovh |
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| 17:51.40 | oxek | karlpinc: yes, upgrades are possible, I merely meant that the upgrade path wheezy->jessie is unsupported by now (meaning nobody is officially going to support it) because all support ended in 2018 |
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| 17:53.17 | mainstreet | Yeah, I think I'm just going to make a new one. |
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| 18:00.46 | rohanrhu | hi |
| 18:00.51 | rohanrhu | http://ftp.tr.debian.org/ is down |
| 18:01.22 | rohanrhu | what is the shortest way for changing mirror? |
| 18:01.39 | H4ndy | edit sources.list |
| 18:01.44 | rohanrhu | yes i know |
| 18:02.04 | rohanrhu | but there is no another way? |
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| 18:04.14 | rohanrhu | i think something like "switch another mirror prompt" on down mirrors would useful |
| 18:04.16 | rohanrhu | :D |
| 18:04.46 | annadane | !deb.debian.org |
| 18:04.46 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 18:04.47 | rohanrhu | with nearest mirrors |
| 18:05.18 | rohanrhu | thank you :D |
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| 18:19.46 | robi | hi, i've noticed that the linux kernel's maximum PID changed within the last couple of months. is there a specific bugtracker page for this? |
| 18:20.10 | robi | or was it changed within the linux kernel itself? |
| 18:20.46 | robi | an older stackoverflow post says the default is 32768 |
| 18:20.53 | robi | not sure if it's still that. |
| 18:22.16 | somiaj | robi: /usr/share/doc/packname should contain the changelog, though not all chages are mentioned, ones related to bugs/issues are. Sometimes you have to look for the actual commit to git |
| 18:23.00 | robi | i see. |
| 18:23.08 | robi | i'm looking through the kernel source tree right now |
| 18:23.39 | somiaj | You may find the debian chainlog a quick place to check first |
| 18:24.09 | somiaj | but mostly debian only mentions issues in its kernels due to reported bugs, often times the change log is 'new upstream release' which of course comes with all upstream changes |
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| 18:52.22 | Lampion | Hello again everyone, quick question: I'm trying to open ports on a VM, and I'm too lazy to go through iptables to change rules. Is there a quick to do it ? |
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| 19:15.47 | Devastator | is there a factoid explaining how to put debian live cd on a thumb drive? |
| 19:16.24 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: search debian live |
| 19:16.25 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i haven't a clue |
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| 19:16.59 | cybercrypto | Devastator: are you in need to create one, or you want to document the process? |
| 19:17.29 | Devastator | cybercrypto I need to help a friend create one |
| 19:18.01 | cybercrypto | Devastator: I guess the wiki gives you a great guidance... just a sec |
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| 19:18.55 | cybercrypto | Devastator: try dig this page a bit more: https://wiki.debian.org/USBBoot |
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| 19:21.18 | Devastator | I'm gonna try with rufus, seems to do the same thing as win32diskimager, but easier |
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| 19:21.42 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: listkeys debian live |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian live' by key (5): debian live ;; #debian lives ;; debian live oldstable ;; #debian livecd ;; debian live wheezy. |
| 19:22.06 | dondelelcaro | looks like we just have some pointing to the manual, but nothign specific on imaging usb keys |
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| 19:26.38 | jmcnaught | Devastator: in rufus use DD mode to copy the image, otherwise Rufus might try to fix what's not broke. |
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| 19:36.10 | oxek | ,checkbackport virtualbox |
| 19:36.11 | judd | Backporting package virtualbox in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 19:36.20 | oxek | Does that mean I can trivially get virtualbox in debian stable? |
| 19:36.40 | oxek | just download the sources from sid and compile? |
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| 19:40.40 | karlpinc | oxek: That means you _can't_ compile. |
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| 19:43.04 | cybercrypto | Devastator: have you tried using dd? it is much simplier and needs no bunch of software installations. |
| 19:43.24 | Devastator | cybercrypto on windows? |
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| 19:44.45 | annadane | oxek, pretty sure oracle has a download link for debian |
| 19:44.50 | annadane | you can get it from their site |
| 19:44.57 | annadane | or use non-oracle alternatives for virtualization |
| 19:45.17 | cybercrypto | Devastator: you dont have access to any linux? If windows is your only OS availablem than google for pendrivelinux.com |
| 19:45.52 | Devastator | cybercrypto I'm helping a friend remotely |
| 19:46.57 | cybercrypto | Devastator: great! Good Lucky! |
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| 19:49.43 | pileofstraw | i am insanely disappointed. set up crash logging on 30 machines out of 300 to try and figure out why all my systems are crashing infrequently |
| 19:49.56 | pileofstraw | waited OVER A WEEK and found a crashed system out of the 30 running kexec kernel crash logging |
| 19:50.02 | pileofstraw | rebooted it via remote power bar |
| 19:50.07 | pileofstraw | ....no crash log. |
| 19:50.18 | pileofstraw | So these lockups are not kernel panics. |
| 19:50.39 | pileofstraw | Just the worst, most disappointing garbage result. Ugh |
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| 19:51.00 | AndreasLutro | that sucks. problems on the hypervisor maybe? |
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| 19:52.02 | oxek | karlpinc: I was told I can ignore debhelper-compat |
| 19:52.50 | oxek | annadane: I prefer to use debian repos. Already trying to use qemu/kvm/libvirt/virt-manager combination but failing at getting it to work the way I want. |
| 19:53.39 | pileofstraw | AndreasLutro: these are physical machines, not VMs |
| 19:53.43 | pileofstraw | deployed countrywide |
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| 19:59.08 | ratrace | pileofstraw: syphon off their dmesg or syslogs |
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| 20:01.09 | pileofstraw | I have many copies of affected machines' dmesg and syslogs |
| 20:01.15 | pileofstraw | There is nothing in the logging indicating a reason for crash. |
| 20:01.23 | AndreasLutro | how are they copied? |
| 20:01.31 | pileofstraw | It just ends abruptly and restarts when we manually powercycle the machine |
| 20:01.41 | pileofstraw | How is what copied? |
| 20:02.01 | AndreasLutro | dmesg/syslogs. if you just copy from the filesystem every X amount of time... |
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| 20:02.56 | pileofstraw | nagios will indicate an engine has fallen offline, we have a tech go onsite and X is frozen. Manual power cycle brings the engine back online and I copy the logs via SCP |
| 20:03.11 | ratrace | yeah, so you need to actually stream them out. you should be sending syslog remotely to a central log server anyway. and you can set up dmesg -w tail over ssh and wait for a crash. |
| 20:03.16 | AndreasLutro | maybe look into letting syslog transfer logs in realtime |
| 20:03.37 | ratrace | you can't rely on post-hoc log analysis, you have to actually stream it out. kernel panics can be caught that way, that otherwise wouldn't reach the disk |
| 20:03.39 | AndreasLutro | there might be log lines that are lost when the crash happens |
| 20:04.17 | ratrace | dmesg -w over ssh seems like a rudimentary but quite useful method to catch a crash that ain't getting logged to disk otherwise |
| 20:04.32 | pileofstraw | Forgive my ignorance |
| 20:04.46 | ratrace | you can also use the serial port, something-somethign with IPMI even, in case the crash won't make it through the network even |
| 20:04.49 | pileofstraw | but why would it be more likely to log and send over network (that is, before the crash takes out networking) |
| 20:04.51 | pileofstraw | than to log to disk? |
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| 20:05.15 | ratrace | pileofstraw: because the kernel may hang/lock-out before syslog manages to catch it and write it out |
| 20:05.39 | ratrace | but the kernel will immedially printk about it |
| 20:05.57 | pileofstraw | I was sincerely hoping that kexec would bridge that gap but on reboot of this crashed machine I have no crash log. |
| 20:06.16 | ratrace | kexec? what's that got to do with it. |
| 20:06.44 | AndreasLutro | alternatively, syslog will attempt to write logs to the filesystem, but the filesystem has crashed somehow, so it doesn't actually write anything. or the log file gets mangled because of the filesystem crashed |
| 20:06.45 | pileofstraw | Well if the kernel is crashing it would save the crash kernel and let me analyzie it afterward. |
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| 20:07.33 | pileofstraw | ok. thanks very much, I will set up a syslog server for a test quantity of machines and see if I can manage its bandwidth. I hope I strike gold this way! |
| 20:07.46 | ratrace | pileofstraw: assuming it's capable of writing out stuff to the filesystem at that point |
| 20:08.11 | ratrace | pileofstraw: you should be collating logs from all the machines to a central log server anyway |
| 20:08.23 | ratrace | syslog-ng can use TLS if you don't trust the network |
| 20:09.18 | AndreasLutro | I think rsyslog does as well |
| 20:11.39 | Onepamopa | ratrace, so I'll have to also stream the syslog out.. been experiencing a lot of random freezes on a TR 3960x, asus trx40-pro bios 0902, 8x8G ddr4 while getting nothing @ any of the logs to indicate the reason for the freeze. |
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| 20:14.31 | ratrace | Onepamopa: even better get kernel to printk on serial, or ghetto it with dmesg -w over ssh |
| 20:15.31 | Onepamopa | ratrace, thanks, I'll try to "ghetto" it first, hopefully I'll catch something next time it decides to freeze |
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| 20:45.34 | dk657 | if i'm following "testing main non-free contrib", should i also follow stable or unstable? i'm asking because i went to install nethack-console, and it turns out to be available everywhere but "testing" |
| 20:45.58 | sney | testing can be mixed with unstable if you do this: |
| 20:45.59 | sney | !tum |
| 20:46.00 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
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| 20:46.13 | sney | don't mix anything with stable unless you like fixing broken messes |
| 20:46.46 | sney | also, for testing support you should go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:46.49 | xtifr | If cheese "just works"(tm) with my laptop's built-in webcam, why won't firefox recognize it? |
| 20:46.57 | dk657 | i do not, in fact, like fixing broken messes :) |
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| 20:47.44 | dk657 | but that's just the solution i wanted. thank you! |
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| 20:50.11 | somiaj | dk657: also testing/unstable questions should be asked on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:51.13 | dk657 | somiaj: excellent, thank you |
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| 21:19.07 | b1ackandwh1te | why ubuntu has virtualbox and debian not? |
| 21:20.38 | bomb | b1ackandwh1te: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 |
| 21:20.39 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-09-28. |
| 21:21.15 | b1ackandwh1te | humm |
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| 21:22.47 | somiaj | b1ackandwh1te: oracle won't support a frozen release of virtualbox, and debian stable requires this |
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| 21:24.57 | bomb | b1ackandwh1te: KVM is good |
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| 21:26.47 | b1ackandwh1te | does kvm has a GUI? |
| 21:27.03 | ratrace | yes, virtmanager |
| 21:27.15 | b1ackandwh1te | colol |
| 21:27.24 | b1ackandwh1te | *cool |
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| 21:43.00 | b1ackandwh1te | some softwares like android studio virtualizes android, if i install it in a vc will be a nested virtualization, does kvm support it? |
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| 21:43.43 | b1ackandwh1te | vc >*vm |
| 21:47.44 | Viterous | from what I rember, if android studio uses cpu virtulization, it wont work because that element is disabled. It would have to load up a emulator that doesn't use hardware virtulization |
| 21:48.12 | bomb | I feel lucky when my Android phone works properly, let alone running its emulator inside a VM |
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| 21:49.23 | jmcnaught | KVM has support for nested virtualization, I haven't tried it though. |
| 21:49.39 | b1ackandwh1te | ok |
| 21:49.48 | bomb | sure, and Android emulator is built on top of QEMU |
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| 21:51.27 | jmcnaught | It might not work with Android studio |
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| 22:05.01 | Viterous | hmm... MATE Desktop must be misbehaving for me after running a distro upgrade |
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| 22:14.36 | somiaj | a distro upgrade? What version of debian are you running? |
| 22:24.47 | Viterous | latest it was newly flashed onto a disk (download lubuntu last week) |
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| 22:25.41 | somiaj | well this is #debian |
| 22:25.44 | somiaj | !lubuntu |
| 22:25.45 | dpkg | Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.lubuntu.net/ #lubuntu on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:25.56 | Viterous | welp better go see over there |
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| 22:41.43 | jaggz | ok I'm about to update some packages and there will be some unresolved dependencies |
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| 22:42.02 | jaggz | how do I get a snapshot of existing packages and versions in a way that I can recover |
| 22:42.08 | jaggz | if things fail |
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| 22:52.33 | Grad106 | where are new packages installed? |
| 22:54.22 | bomb | everywhere! welcome to the Linux |
| 22:55.55 | sney | !fhs |
| 22:55.55 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 22:56.51 | Grad106 | this is great. thank you. i heart IRC |
| 22:57.19 | tds | if you've just installed a specific package, you can `dpkg -L package-name` to see what files it included |
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| 23:04.02 | jaggz | Grad106, another handy one is dpkg -S /some/file/whereby/you/wish/to/find/the/package/from/which/it/originated |
| 23:04.08 | jaggz | sorry I tried to make that a short path |
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| 23:06.19 | Grad106 | thank you. i'll check it out |
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| 23:17.09 | somiaj | Grad106: dpks -L packagename |
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