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| 00:05.27 | Enkidu_ak | Evening. I'm trying to install Buster on an Aspire One D250. I've written Buster boot.img.gz to my usb stick and added the Buster netinst.iso, bot for i386, but when I boot from the stick it halts after posting the SYSLINUX version string. I've seen this before with mismatched boot image and netinst, but in this case I'm certain that they match and have recreated the boot device more than once to be |
| 00:05.33 | Enkidu_ak | sure. |
| 00:07.39 | sney | Enkidu_ak: is there a reason you didn't write the netinst iso directly to the usb stick? the netinst iso has been a hybrid image since squeeze, it doesn't need anything extra to boot from usb |
| 00:08.55 | sney | that acer seems to have the same specs as my eeepc which I can confirm supports the regular buster installer with no modifications |
| 00:08.59 | Enkidu_ak | sney: Ignorance, mostly :D I wasn't aware. I'll try writting the iso directly |
| 00:09.16 | sney | !ig |
| 00:09.17 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 00:10.13 | Enkidu_ak | I was following an installation guide specific for the Aspire One, I though tha tspecial considerations had been made for the older hardware. I'll refer to the general Buster guide and see how it goes. |
| 00:10.30 | sney | let us know if you need anything else. |
| 00:10.35 | Enkidu_ak | I will, and thank you |
| 00:10.40 | sney | np |
| 00:11.10 | sney | always helps to check the date on those older guides. |
| 00:13.45 | annadane | (which is something i like about the wiki, that it does in fact specify "for stretch, follow these instructions; for jessie..." |
| 00:13.56 | annadane | closing parenthesis i keep forgetting to add) |
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| 00:38.00 | xtifr | crap, my webcam actually works fine in firefox, so the problem is on the other end, nothing I can fix... |
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| 00:38.35 | pileofstraw | i thought my webcam was broken but that's just how i actually look |
| 00:38.45 | xtifr | :D |
| 00:38.56 | annadane | !hug pileofstraw |
| 00:38.57 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around pileofstraw |
| 00:39.09 | pileofstraw | so cold |
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| 00:40.26 | scaredysquirrel | how can i cross compile debian for an architecture of my choosing? |
| 00:40.35 | scaredysquirrel | I just want powerpc with altivec i.e. the PowerPC G4 |
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| 00:42.38 | scaredysquirrel | and how might I get binutils from debian unstable on Debian stable? |
| 00:42.43 | scaredysquirrel | even if I have to recompile the whole system |
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| 00:44.15 | L1nuxg33k | https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 00:44.17 | L1nuxg33k | may help |
| 00:45.29 | scaredysquirrel | they last stopped on debian 7 or 8 |
| 00:46.20 | scaredysquirrel | ok debian 8 is the last one |
| 00:47.15 | scaredysquirrel | ok i'll tell you i'm really running devuan and i just believe the debian instructions will work as all they change is the theme and the init systek |
| 00:47.50 | annadane | !devuan |
| 00:47.50 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
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| 01:08.53 | somiaj | scaredysquirrel: powerppc has an unoffical port, ports.debian.org |
| 01:09.30 | somiaj | I can't say what ports devuan takes, I suggest just using debian, but I find systemd not terrible (and many things I actually like about it once I took tiem to learn it) |
| 01:09.52 | sney | sounds like lennart shill talk to me |
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| 01:11.09 | annadane | i have no specific complaints about systemd but man, it needs a quick cheat sheet |
| 01:11.19 | annadane | learn systemd units in 5 minutes |
| 01:11.24 | sney | agreed |
| 01:11.26 | annadane | (i'm also lazy and read man pages but shh) |
| 01:11.35 | annadane | and don't read* |
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| 01:13.20 | somiaj | I wonder if learning from nothing, systemd can be shown to be harder/easier than sysvinit. I think it was the transition that got people, I dont' think systemd is harder to learn from scratch (I also don't think it is easier) |
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| 01:15.13 | sney | from a user perspective, not counting troubleshooting, it's barely different from any init system. use a utility to start/stop/query status of a given service, config files are predictably located, etc |
| 01:16.22 | imMute | I think the transition is messing with alot of people. (I also think some people are clinging to things like "The UNIX Way" and "binary files are bad" too much.) |
| 01:20.04 | sney | should really be past tense at this point. but yeah, a lot of UNIX traditionalism |
| 01:22.59 | annadane | !jessie release notes |
| 01:22.59 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 01:23.13 | annadane | want to see how they told people to make the switch |
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| 01:56.01 | nvz | what exactly are the "available packages" in dpkg? i.e. dpkg -p |
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| 01:56.18 | nvz | what makes packages availiable to dpkg exactly ? :D |
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| 01:57.38 | annadane | lonely single available packages looking for some action in your area |
| 01:57.43 | nvz | I thought that was apt's job and this has no bearing on /var/cache/apt/archives, the apt cache, the installed packages or anything |
| 01:57.50 | nvz | annadane: heh |
| 01:58.09 | nvz | smacks annadane with an "available package" |
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| 02:00.19 | somiaj | "dpkg maintains some usable information about available packages. . The information is divided in three classes: states, selection states and flags." |
| 02:00.33 | somiaj | it just means dpkg knows something about the package, such as 'rc' it is removed but config files are around |
| 02:00.51 | somiaj | also you can use dpkg --get-selections to get info about the available packages. |
| 02:00.53 | nvz | yeah dont think so.. check your dpkg -p |
| 02:01.01 | nvz | apt and other things are in mine :P |
| 02:01.01 | apt | nvz: okay |
| 02:01.08 | nvz | lots of base required stuff |
| 02:01.26 | nvz | but not all that dpkg -S dpkg -L or dpkg -l can see |
| 02:01.36 | nvz | or dpkg --get-selections for that matter |
| 02:01.47 | nvz | just trying to figure out what is significant about the output of dpkg -p |
| 02:02.18 | somiaj | "Display details about package-name, as found in /var/lib/dpkg/available. sers of APT-based frontends should use apt-cache show package-name instead." |
| 02:02.28 | nvz | I was compiling a list of information about a system.. various commands that show the big picture |
| 02:02.32 | nvz | I got over 50 so far |
| 02:02.41 | nvz | I just don't know what this dpkg -p info really says |
| 02:02.59 | nvz | sounds like its an archaic option |
| 02:03.07 | nvz | no longer really applicable to anything |
| 02:03.07 | somiaj | it says what is in /var/lib/dpkg/available, which is information dpkg has collected based on packages you have installed/removed |
| 02:03.25 | somiaj | well it is dpkg keeping track of information of packages you have installed/removed, vs apt keeping track of packages aviaalble on internet sources |
| 02:03.41 | nvz | hmm.. I wonder if it then only shows manually installed stuff |
| 02:03.44 | nvz | looks |
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| 02:05.17 | nvz | dpkg -p |grep Package:|cut -d : -f 2 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:05.18 | dpkg | nvz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:05.19 | somiaj | since anything that is installed via apt uses dpkg, it proably shows both manually and stuff installed by apt. |
| 02:05.25 | nvz | https://termbin.com/b2ee |
| 02:05.37 | nvz | I have over 2000 packages installed |
| 02:06.19 | nvz | 2378 |
| 02:06.38 | nvz | only 1/10th are listed there |
| 02:06.45 | nvz | nothing special about them I can see |
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| 02:07.14 | somiaj | hmm, didn't realize it only showed some packages, that is odd, maybe something that isn't fully used anymore as you said. |
| 02:07.38 | nvz | thats the only thing I can think of.. either that or there is some special significance to these things |
| 02:07.45 | nvz | that is totally unapparent |
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| 02:08.32 | somiaj | man page seems it might have something to do with deselect which some people still use, there is an --update-avail and a --merge-avail option |
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| 02:09.01 | xtifr | dpkg -p calls dpkg-query. man dpkg-query says that "the avilable file is only kept up-to-date when using dselect." |
| 02:09.01 | dpkg | xtifr: what are you talking about? |
| 02:09.03 | somiaj | it also says --set-selections is only useful if if the available packages is up to date. |
| 02:09.09 | nvz | https://termbin.com/7403 is what I got so far on a list of commands to query info that could be relevant for diagnostics |
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| 02:09.28 | nvz | havent gotten into things like quotas and crap yet.. this is just fairly basic stuff |
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| 02:11.12 | swift110-phone__ | Sup I got Debian installed on my t420 |
| 02:11.25 | nvz | \o/ |
| 02:11.25 | swift110-phone__ | Kate's version |
| 02:11.30 | swift110-phone__ | Mate |
| 02:11.41 | nvz | Kate is your MATE? :P |
| 02:11.46 | dimitry008 | Hello guys, something weird is really happening to me, I am trying to do a 'uniq -d' but I found it does not work with specifically some strings. https://paste.debian.net/1147341/ |
| 02:11.52 | dimitry008 | can you see that paste and reproduce please? |
| 02:12.05 | swift110-phone__ | Lol |
| 02:12.52 | nvz | dimitry008: that only works on sorted lists |
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| 02:13.17 | nvz | dimitry008: if you want to do that without sorting the list i.e. with sort or sort -u, then use awk.. it can find duplicates in place |
| 02:13.51 | dimitry008 | nvz, my god, okay understood. Thank you very much!!! |
| 02:13.52 | nvz | dimitry008: google it, use awk to find duplicates without sorting |
| 02:14.07 | dimitry008 | okay cool, I will, thanks :) |
| 02:15.26 | nvz | often its fine to pass it through sort first, but if you want your list in the original order but without duplicates, you need something fancier than uniq |
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| 02:24.03 | tomg | Does Debian's Exim do TLS by default, both incoming and outgoing? |
| 02:24.15 | tomg | Using Debian 10 on a VPS |
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| 02:41.31 | somiaj | tomg: https://wiki.debian.org/Exim#Things_you_might_want_to_configure -- I think the answer is no, you have to build a cert if you want TLS |
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| 02:43.44 | tomg | thanks a lot somiaj |
| 02:44.16 | somiaj | now if a premade vps has configured this for you, I'm unsure, I'm just going off the wiki. YOu could check the config to get the answer |
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| 02:52.58 | tomg | okay i got those things going, i guess it has SSL now |
| 02:53.35 | tomg | thanks |
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| 03:23.22 | metbsd | so my rtl 8822b wifi card doesn't work |
| 03:23.33 | metbsd | firmware load but i can't enable it |
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| 03:51.56 | somiaj | metbsd: you can use rfkill to check if there are any soft/hard blocks? Also what do you mean can't enable it? Are you using network manager? If so check /etc/network/interfaces, if your wifi card is there, networkmanager will ignore it. In that case remove your wifi card from that file and restart networkmanager. |
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| 03:54.47 | Gerowen | If I run the Debian installer in "BIOS" mode instead of UEFI, will the OS still support booting in UEFI mode post install, or only in BIOS mode? |
| 03:54.47 | Gerowen | Reason I ask is that the 10.4 ISO only seems to want to boot in BIOS mode on this PC. |
| 03:58.23 | M_aD | somiaj: the question is if he's actually running Debian since he's been active in the Fedora channel too. It makes me wonder. Maybe he has one of them installed in a vm |
| 03:59.03 | M_aD | or is running windows and installs linux distro's in vm's |
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| 04:00.39 | metbsd | somiaj: default installation |
| 04:00.50 | metbsd | i don't think it's in network/interfaces |
| 04:00.59 | metbsd | what's soft/hard block? |
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| 04:03.35 | metbsd | i dont have rfkill command |
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| 04:14.40 | somiaj | then install it |
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| 04:15.27 | somiaj | Gerowen: the installer will only configure your system to boot using the method it was booted, so if you use bios, it makes an mbr partition table and configures legacy boot |
| 04:16.13 | somiaj | Gerowen: How did you write the .iso to your usb/cd drive? The isntaller should support both modes, but sometimes you have to select the right one when you have both legacy and ufi enabled. You sure your firmware isn't in some legacy only mode? |
| 04:18.06 | Gerowen | Nah I set it to UEFI only and the USB drive didn't show up. |
| 04:18.21 | Gerowen | I tried both "Etcher", and just doing cp file.iso /dev/sdb |
| 04:19.34 | Gerowen | I just had a thought, both machines have optical drives, I may try burning the image to an actual CD-ROM. |
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| 04:24.34 | somiaj | well etcher is known to mangle images. What iso file are you using? |
| 04:24.48 | Gerowen | The 10.4 image, just now downloaded it from debian.org |
| 04:24.56 | somiaj | which one exactly, there are various ones. |
| 04:25.16 | Gerowen | The amd64 net install image. |
| 04:25.29 | Gerowen | The one that is defaulted to when you click the little button on the front page. |
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| 04:26.02 | somiaj | oh that one does default to amd64 now, it use to default to a 32bit/64bit combo. |
| 04:26.21 | Gerowen | I did notice that when I open the image with the archive manager there are a lot of files that aren't on the end result. Etcher seems to have only included the EFI folder and nothing else. |
| 04:26.24 | somiaj | It sounds like there is some issue with your firmware if it won't boot efi mode. |
| 04:26.38 | somiaj | !hybrid iso |
| 04:26.39 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 04:26.52 | Gerowen | I've done it before on this PC, but in the past it's picky, certain USB ports won't do UEFI boot. |
| 04:27.03 | Gerowen | So I'm gonna try an actual CD and see how it goes. |
| 04:27.20 | somiaj | You need to be really careful with thos .iso images, they have some fancy hybrid boot options to allow both usb/cdrom and legacy/uefi boot. |
| 04:27.49 | somiaj | If you need non-free firmware, you could give the firmware image a try |
| 04:27.52 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 04:27.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 04:28.15 | somiaj | Anywas, the cp method should work. Don't touch the image/open it up, etc, they can be a bit finky due to their hybrid nature. |
| 04:28.44 | somiaj | I don't mess with them, I do recall fdisk use to complain about their partition table. |
| 04:32.23 | Gerowen | Figured it out. Apparently in the MSI BIOS for this motherboard, you have to not only enable UEFI boot, but go in and enable the UEFI boot options for devices like your CD drive before those options will appear in the boot menu. |
| 04:33.01 | Gerowen | So turn on UEFI boot as a whole, then go into the BBS priorities for your CD or USB drive and enable the UEFI menu option. |
| 04:35.13 | somiaj | might be some secure issue, to control where it can get efi partitions from |
| 04:36.22 | somiaj | or some developer was being nifty, but it does give you the ability to ensure someone with physical access cannot just hit a key and boot from an extrenal drive. |
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| 07:29.55 | benaiah | i'm trying to install debian using the Bullseye netinst image, and all was working well until i tried to specify a network mirror. i ended up hitting an error which led me to the other virtual terminal where an error was found saying "WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (bullseye)". This doesn't seem right, because i installed the exact same way just a week or so ago. I'm seeing this |
| 07:29.57 | benaiah | behavior with both deb.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org mirrors. any ideas? |
| 07:32.00 | ksk | benaiah: the supported debian way of installing testing/unstable is as far as I know still: "Install stable, upgrade" |
| 07:32.11 | ksk | the "testing install iso" is actually for testing the installer |
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| 07:32.34 | ksk | and might brake from time to time. |
| 07:34.40 | benaiah | hmm, seems the installer had incorrectly set up the ethernet adapter i had plugged in |
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| 07:34.57 | ksk | also, we only support stable in here btw ;) |
| 07:34.59 | ksk | !debian-nex |
| 07:35.00 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 07:35.07 | benaiah | oh, my bad |
| 07:35.10 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 07:35.10 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 07:35.36 | ksk | no hard feelings, should you have any more specific testing question I would encourage you to join oftc/#debian-next |
| 07:36.10 | benaiah | sure, i'll direct questions there next time. thanks! |
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| 08:03.17 | afidegnum | i have a binary application, how do i add it to the systemd where i can service start/stop it ? is there any article which details the procedure ? |
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| 08:05.54 | ansimita | afidegnum: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
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| 10:16.46 | otyugh | heya |
| 10:17.31 | otyugh | is there a way to find the result of "apt-file search bin/gm" in bullseye without having installed bullseye ? |
| 10:18.05 | otyugh | like a bot or a web thingy |
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| 10:19.22 | annadane | i'm not sure. feels like something i should already know |
| 10:22.17 | shtrb | dfind bin/gm |
| 10:22.30 | shtrb | dpkg dfind bin/gm |
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| 10:23.43 | shtrb | otyugh, https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=strings.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=buster&arch=any |
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| 10:24.20 | otyugh | Oh mu |
| 10:24.27 | otyugh | thanks shtrb |
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| 10:24.57 | shtrb | sorry wrong link , like this https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fgm&mode=exactfilename&suite=buster&arch=any |
| 10:25.20 | shtrb | but that should also work with dfind but dpkg is failing |
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| 10:32.11 | jmd | On startup I get a message about not being able to start networking services. |
| 10:32.42 | jmd | systemctl status networking tells me that the failed interface was "lo".\ |
| 10:32.50 | jmd | How can that fail? |
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| 10:35.26 | themill | shtrb: you want judd not dpkg |
| 10:35.57 | themill | ,file bin/gm |
| 10:36.01 | judd | Search for bin/gm in buster/amd64: graphicsmagick: usr/bin/gm |
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| 10:37.24 | otyugh | themill, o/ |
| 10:37.59 | shtrb | thank you themill ! |
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| 10:38.25 | annadane | ,file bin/gm --release bullseye |
| 10:38.30 | judd | Search for bin/gm in bullseye/amd64: graphicsmagick: usr/bin/gm |
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| 11:22.09 | oxek | How can I force all contents of swap back into RAM? |
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| 11:25.22 | shtrb | why would you like to that ? |
| 11:25.43 | nobyk | I know you can clear swap to turning it off and on again |
| 11:26.06 | nobyk | Not sure if you can transfer it, woudn't that happen automatically when there is free space ? |
| 11:26.57 | nobyk | https://superuser.com/questions/828403/move-swap-contents-back-to-the-ram-once-theres-free-memory |
| 11:27.26 | oxek | shtrb: because everything I am accessing is in swap and it is taking ages to read. I have plenty of free RAM. |
| 11:28.10 | ksk | oxek: unlikely, really. |
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| 11:28.18 | shtrb | If you are accessing something it shouldn't go back to swap |
| 11:28.37 | shtrb | unless you are in some very memory deprived system AND other high prio job is running |
| 11:29.37 | oxek | I had a job running that occupied all free RAM and that job is now done, almost all RAM is free, but swap is full. |
| 11:29.45 | nobyk | the person on the internet says to use 'swapoff -a' |
| 11:30.01 | nobyk | that should disable swap, and the system should move all usefull data to RAM |
| 11:30.04 | oxek | Now opening up anything takes ages and my system does not seem to recover despite having lots of RAM |
| 11:30.11 | nobyk | after that maybe turn it back on 'swapon -a' just to be sure |
| 11:30.34 | nobyk | swapoff -a && swapon -a |
| 11:30.55 | nobyk | Try that, let us know if anything exploded |
| 11:31.33 | oxek | will do |
| 11:33.19 | shtrb | What type of storage does he uses that launching it would cause an explosion ? |
| 11:34.06 | nobyk | Solid Explosive drive |
| 11:34.27 | nobyk | No I don't know, it was a figure of speech |
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| 11:47.32 | GnuGit | window |
| 11:49.52 | dvs | door |
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| 11:51.55 | oxek | nobyk: it worked, everything is responsive again, thanks! |
| 11:52.27 | sjmulder | I get a bit worried about cruft building op over time in Debian. On BSD one can purge /usr/local, diff /etc and be done. Do people generally reinstall every so often? |
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| 11:52.44 | shtrb | no |
| 11:53.25 | sjmulder | I used 'apt mark showmanual' but there's a lot of non manual stuff in there so I'm hesitant to remove things |
| 11:53.48 | shtrb | sjmulder, if you are using normal sane packages that doens't leave clutter (snap, docker and libvirt I'm looking at you ! ) you should be safe |
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| 11:55.02 | shtrb | Why is that important for you if you had installed packages manually ? |
| 11:56.16 | oxek | I think this explains why my linux has terrible memory management https://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/tales-from-responsivenessland-why-linux-feels-slow-and-how-to-fix-that |
| 11:56.35 | sjmulder | Some time ago I installed MATE or something through tasksel, it turned out quite hard to figure out how to undo that |
| 11:56.42 | nobyk | oxek: hooray! |
| 11:56.44 | ratrace | sjmulder: I reinstall because the resulting installation is different than if I ran upgrade! |
| 11:57.06 | sjmulder | ratrace, that too! But that's not a concern until Deb 11 for now |
| 11:57.38 | sjmulder | And now I've had to install a proprietary program with a custom installer. Regretted it the instant I did |
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| 11:58.00 | ratrace | sjmulder: yah for such things better containerize, and see first whether flatpak or snaps have it |
| 11:58.16 | oxek | nobyk: I can't believe how responsive everything is again. I think I'll set swappiness to 1 instead of the default 60 |
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| 11:59.00 | nobyk | oxek: So TLDR linux is just very eager to put stuff in SWAP ? |
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| 11:59.25 | sjmulder | A sort of layered filesystem would be cool, or R/O base system with desired state configuration |
| 11:59.50 | nobyk | How much RAM are you running with atm? |
| 12:00.16 | oxek | nobyk: yeah, puts stuff into swap too quickly and is extremely hesitant to move stuff out of swap. |
| 12:00.32 | oxek | nobyk: 64GB |
| 12:01.04 | nobyk | Nice |
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| 12:01.20 | oxek | and a 64GB swap file on a HDD instead of the SSD |
| 12:01.39 | shtrb | is envious of oxek ram |
| 12:01.48 | nobyk | yikes, well not ideal |
| 12:01.50 | oxek | RAM was cheap some time back |
| 12:02.22 | nobyk | DDR4? |
| 12:02.37 | oxek | nobyk: well I figued I should have some swap in case something runs out of control, and read swap should be as big as RAM, and did not want to hammer my SSD with swap writes. |
| 12:02.48 | oxek | I did not realize linux was so eager to make use of swap |
| 12:02.56 | oxek | yeah DDR4 |
| 12:03.04 | oxek | ECC as well |
| 12:03.31 | shtrb | You are going to tell us you also have xeon ? |
| 12:03.33 | nobyk | pff very nice man |
| 12:03.50 | oxek | shtrb: the cheapest xeon there was, yeah |
| 12:04.28 | oxek | Xeon E-2224 |
| 12:04.35 | shtrb | just bloody WOW ! nice sound rig , next you are going to tell us , that this xeon 64GB , 2 tera SSD is a laptop |
| 12:04.44 | shtrb | *nice sounding rig |
| 12:05.00 | oxek | nah, the rugged laptop with two 4TB SSDs is a different machine |
| 12:05.47 | elios | just means that you ran ot of ram |
| 12:06.37 | oxek | yes, I ran out of RAM, and was expecting that due to what I was running. However I was expecting stuff to go back to normal after the job is done and all RAM is free again. |
| 12:07.15 | oxek | whereas instead linux kept keeping stuff in swap so switching between apps and doing stuff kept being very unresponsive |
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| 12:07.42 | oxek | because it only loaded stuff back from swap piece by piece, instead of predictively loading everything that an app was using before |
| 12:07.58 | oxek | so I want to load all the contents of swap back into RAM, and the swapoff swapon worked |
| 12:09.01 | oxek | I'll play with the swappiness value a bit to see what suits me best instead of the default 60 |
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| 12:10.22 | simplicius | hello |
| 12:10.31 | simplicius | how can I take a screenshot when in fullscreen mode? |
| 12:11.49 | greycat | you could bind a key combo to run "scrot" (or whatever you prefer) at the window manager level. Or ssh in, manually set DISPLAY to whatever your desktop is using, and run "scrot" that way. Or switch to a console, manually set DISPLAY, and run something like "sleep 5; scrot" and then switch back. |
| 12:14.11 | simplicius | If I do just "sleep 5; scrot" shouldn't work? |
| 12:14.14 | greycat | it's also possible that you are currently using some sort of Desktop Environment which has already done the "bind key combo" thing for you, and you just need to work out what that combo is. Possibly PrintScreen by itself, or Shift-PrintScreen.... |
| 12:14.56 | sjmulder | Nice oxek, bet you can run Slack and Teams at the same time on that machine |
| 12:17.16 | oxek | sjmulder: electron apps are still a pain despite that |
| 12:18.27 | sjmulder | There should be some way to share JavaScript VM resources between different Electron apps. Maybe even host them in the same app! With tabs. |
| 12:18.29 | oxek | I imagine apps would once again be performant if devs were forced to work on machines using 2GB/4GB RAM. |
| 12:19.16 | oxek | 64bit CPUs was a mistake :) |
| 12:19.21 | oxek | (yeah I know there's PAE) |
| 12:19.31 | sjmulder | 640k ought to be enough |
| 12:20.10 | oxek | would be enough if devs knew how to work with it. I remember how small PalmOS apps were and yet they could do the exact same things my phone does now. |
| 12:20.36 | oxek | actually I think it even predates PalmOS, I had some Pilot device |
| 12:20.46 | oxek | from USRobotics |
| 12:21.29 | oxek | a calendar app would be 4KB memory |
| 12:21.34 | oxek | good times |
| 12:21.41 | sjmulder | I installed Windows 2000, VS 6, Office etc on a PIII 800 MHz to see if it was a case of rose tinted glasses but it was snappy as hell |
| 12:22.27 | oxek | older apps and operating systems are much more responsive on modern hardware than current apps and operating systems |
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| 12:22.44 | brutser | when partitioning from debian installer i can change Typical usage: from standard to largefile/largefile4 - this can save disk space because of using less inodes, but does this affect performance in any way? |
| 12:23.09 | brutser | i don't mind the disk space but i have a dedicated partition for the kvmpool and it's containing only files of 1GB or more |
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| 12:23.27 | brutser | i wonder if it can be beneficial to change Typical usage when installing debian |
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| 12:32.26 | brutser | i actually have no idea so i need some expert's help on this |
| 12:33.01 | brutser | i can leave it standard as I have always did and don't worry about it, but that's pretty ignorant :p |
| 12:33.28 | ksk | brutser: its not about performance at all. |
| 12:34.00 | brutser | ksk: ok i thought so yes |
| 12:34.23 | brutser | but is there a reason, especially in my example, where i dedicate a partition for the kvmpool |
| 12:34.44 | brutser | it's linked to /var/lib/libvirt/images, so it will only contain the disk images and have files of 1GB or more. |
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| 12:35.07 | brutser | would it be a better choice here to switch to largefile or largefile4 ? |
| 12:35.28 | ksk | mhhm, to be honest I only see any real usage for changing this if you have many small files, meaning "the normal amount of inodes does not work out for me" |
| 12:36.13 | brutser | ksk: ok yes that makes sense, so for bigger files, the standard setting is just as good? |
| 12:36.14 | ksk | largefile is 1 inode per 1M, largefile4 is one inode per 4M as far as I know |
| 12:36.37 | ksk | I would say so, the fact that there actually is largefile and largefile4 indicate otherwise though.. |
| 12:36.39 | brutser | ksk: yes i read just about that, that's correct |
| 12:37.35 | brutser | ksk: yes, i was checking the options and then thought about what i would be storing in the kvmpool and it would fit exact the largefile criteria |
| 12:37.46 | brutser | so then i wondered, perhaps worth to read a little about it |
| 12:37.53 | ksk | maybe take a look here, first answer: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/edz2sd/difference_between_standard_news_largefile_and/ |
| 12:38.08 | ksk | sounds reasonable to me. tl;dr: Its a thing of the past, do not bother. |
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| 12:38.40 | brutser | i had that reddit opened yes, good we come to same conclusion then :) |
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| 12:51.07 | oxek | If I want `sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10` to persist across reboots, is my only option manually editing /etc/sysctl.conf? I would have thought there would be a command for that instead. |
| 12:51.41 | ksk | nope. Additonally chances are high you actually do not want to change swapiness at all :P |
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| 12:57.28 | oxek | I hope this works as well: echo "vm.swappiness=10" > /etc/sysctl.d/swappiness.conf |
| 12:57.33 | oxek | feels cleaner |
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| 13:32.46 | BadPractice | hi. Is there a way to run parts of the debian installer again to install a xfce? |
| 13:33.15 | annadane | you can install xfce in an already running system |
| 13:33.20 | annadane | it's the xfce4 package |
| 13:33.26 | miskatonic | why not use apt? |
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| 13:34.28 | ksk | Not necessarily, as far as I know you cannot really perform the installer-tasks realiable - but by most pratical means "apt" will do, yes. |
| 13:34.30 | greycat | either install the packages you want with apt/apt-get/aptitude, or use tasksel if you want that "clicking a box in a severely limited menu" feeling |
| 13:34.42 | BadPractice | annadane, because i have no idea what exactly the installer did. For example after doing that that way my lock screen does not work propperly. It seems as this as not a good way to reproduce a propper installation |
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| 13:35.12 | BadPractice | more like getting something close that you can get with a lot of manual labor nearly as good as a fresh installed from the installer |
| 13:35.23 | dutchfish | hi, i have a small question about latest Debian stable. I had a machine breakdown. The disk is ok. But somehow it wont boot in a simular machine. Any hints what to look for? It stops at the boot process, right after the boot manager. |
| 13:35.56 | xormor | BadPractice, "sudo apt install --reinstall xfce4" |
| 13:36.43 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: any particular messages and logs, where exactly the boot proccess stops? please consider pastebin the info |
| 13:36.45 | jmcnaught | What is reinstalling a metapackage going to do? |
| 13:37.18 | BadPractice | xormor, that would reinstall my not propperly set up xfce4 i really dont think thats the equivalent of selecting it in the installer |
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| 13:37.57 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, i would if i could. No messages, it stops either before or just after the kernel starts booting. I am on lvm/ext4 x86_64 latest stable kernel. |
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| 13:38.06 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: as gréycat told you, run tasksel |
| 13:38.28 | cybercrypto | cybercrypto: when you remove a disk from one machine and install in another machine, you may want to re-install (re-config) boot manager/grub. |
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| 13:39.03 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, ah ok, that might be it. Any hints how to do that / link? |
| 13:39.06 | annadane | a malfunctioning lock screen quite possibly has nothing to do with the installer; you could narrow down why it's malfunctioning, or make sure otherwise that you copied the image correctly in the first place |
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| 13:39.37 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, greycat thank you! thats what i was looking for! |
| 13:40.24 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: all that tasksel does is install and remove task packages, which are metapackages that depend on the packages required to install desktop environments. |
| 13:40.40 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: boot your new machine using a live-image and re-mount your system (using chroot) so you have the chance to edit config files and fix grub to match new hardware. |
| 13:40.53 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, mount it on another machine and jail into it, then reinstall grub? |
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| 13:42.06 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: start from here, and see more details, if you will: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
| 13:42.13 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, apropos the new hardware is identical |
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| 13:43.01 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, thank you very much, its indeed efi probably. |
| 13:43.23 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: no hardware is identical from the software point of view :-) |
| 13:43.38 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: np. good luck. |
| 13:44.10 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, thanks again! :) |
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| 13:51.17 | BadPractice | hi, i installed xfce4 now using tasksel but i dont think that did the same thing that happens at a debian installation. I still get a black screen when i lock my system (using ctrl + alt + L or the command xlock4). Also despite me deselecting GNOME in tasksel, i still can start a gnome desktop |
| 13:52.00 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: how did you try to start a GNOME session? |
| 13:52.36 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, at the loginscreen (i assume its slim now) i still can choose to do a gnome session |
| 13:52.55 | miskatonic | slim is deprecated |
| 13:53.25 | BadPractice | i dont know what it is using. Its the login screen that comes with xfce4 on gnome |
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| 13:55.30 | BadPractice | maybe some utillity program i installed with gnome is still forcing gnome somewhat? |
| 13:56.01 | miskatonic | gnome uses gdm3 |
| 13:56.07 | BadPractice | is there a way in apt to see all programms i have installed (not the one that got pulled as dependency) ? |
| 13:56.48 | miskatonic | in aptitude, automatically installed once are marked with an A |
| 13:57.18 | miskatonic | ones, not once |
| 13:57.34 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: in my experience tasksel is better at installing than removing. You could check to see if the task-gnome-desktop package is still installed "apt policy task-gnome-desktop" and then look at (but don't accept) what "apt-get autoremove" wants to do, and put it in a paste for others to see. |
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| 13:58.29 | miskatonic | there is also a dry run option |
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| 13:59.23 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: right, "apt -s autoremove" is better because it won't remove anything yet. You want to make sure it doesn't want to remove anything that you want to keep. |
| 14:03.01 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, it worked out fine (grub-efi reinstall). I am a happy camper again, thanks! |
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| 14:03.13 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, thanks but it dows not want to remove anyting. I think parts of gnome are still needed as dependency for a "apt install" i executed (for example apt install gnome-tweaks or something). Could that be? |
| 14:03.40 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: I am glady to hear, enjoy it. |
| 14:03.44 | miskatonic | and whatever you want to keep should be marked as manually installed |
| 14:04.35 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: what version you running on that machine? |
| 14:05.03 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, you mean what version of grub-efi? |
| 14:05.19 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: no, I meant debian version. |
| 14:05.28 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, https://bpa.st/ZUKA this packages? can they cause gome still be there? |
| 14:05.46 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, 10.4 |
| 14:06.23 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: aptitude has a "why" command you can use on packages to ask why it's installed. It only tells you the first reason it can find, but it might be helpful. Try running "aptitude why <package>" on some of those packages in your paste. |
| 14:06.36 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, Linux debianhost 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:06.42 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: Good. Have not you notice anything on the wiki instructions that you may comment so I could update? |
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| 14:06.52 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: you might need to install aptitude but it's small. |
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| 14:07.26 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, no the wiki is fine, for this version of Debian. |
| 14:07.38 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: fair enought, thanks. |
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| 14:08.07 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, one remark: i had to change bios settings, so it chooses the right EFI setup/ |
| 14:08.36 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, not Debian's fault but a gotcha. |
| 14:09.06 | cybercrypto | cybercrypto: sounds like a plan |
| 14:09.28 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: sounds like a plan (misplaced nick) |
| 14:09.29 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, maybe to that the wiki could warn |
| 14:09.53 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, what does i A and p mean? |
| 14:11.08 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, what happened is this. The efi part is recreated along the link in the bios. So the old bios link is no longer valid |
| 14:11.43 | dutchfish | cybercrypto, but nothing i couldnt solve |
| 14:11.48 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: i means installed, A means installed automatically (as a dependency of another package), p means purged (not installed) |
| 14:12.46 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, https://bpa.st/KXNQ |
| 14:12.51 | cybercrypto | dutchfish: I see. |
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| 14:14.18 | miskatonic | in aptitude you can also type r to see the reverse dendencies of a package |
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| 14:14.27 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: gnome-documents was installed manually, remove that package and try "apt -s autoremove" again |
| 14:14.41 | miskatonic | reverse dependencies |
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| 14:20.50 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, https://bpa.st/FAUA |
| 14:21.05 | BadPractice | gnome-core has been manually installed? really? it was not me |
| 14:21.56 | jmcnaught | BadPractice: I don't know. Remove gnome-core then try autoremove again. |
| 14:22.46 | BadPractice | wtf? there is a package called gnome-sushi? o_O |
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| 14:24.46 | BadPractice | jmcnaught, i did not install that stuff. There are 2 options: first the NSA hacked me, 2nd the installer was sloppy setting them as installed, not as dependency |
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| 14:33.35 | tcurdt | it seems my files in /etc/cron.d are not being executed in buster and I am trying to track this down |
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| 14:33.56 | tcurdt | I've increased logging so it's now running /usr/sbin/cron -f -L 5 |
| 14:33.58 | greycat | What is the NAME of the file you created? Does it contain a dot? |
| 14:34.15 | tcurdt | greycat: nope |
| 14:34.53 | tcurdt | I am trying with: "env" and "check" to find out what's going on |
| 14:35.06 | tcurdt | so /etc/cron.d/check |
| 14:35.52 | tcurdt | I guess the most important part is getting the logging working to track this down |
| 14:35.53 | greycat | And what's in /etc/cron.d/check ? |
| 14:36.11 | tcurdt | but there is no /var/log/cron.log for example |
| 14:36.40 | tcurdt | greycat: for now it's just "* * * * * /bin/echo "cron works" >> /tmp/file" |
| 14:36.44 | greycat | "journalctl -u cron" or /var/log/syslog |
| 14:37.04 | greycat | tcurdt: your syntax is wrong. Read cron(8). It says cron.d files need the username field. |
| 14:38.01 | tcurdt | also tried: "0 0 * * 0 root env > /root/cron.env" which has the user |
| 14:38.21 | tcurdt | but since neither worked I think it's better to get to an error message |
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| 14:39.17 | greycat | 0 0 * * 0 only runs one time per week |
| 14:41.19 | tcurdt | greycat: thanks for the "journalctl -u cron" that helped ... I think I can take it from here :) thanks! |
| 14:41.55 | jozefk | Could somebody please check the content, or to paste the content of /etc/fonts/conf.d/ ? I think I messed up something there. Would like to compare and see. This is what I got there now: https://paste.debian.net/1147467 |
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| 14:42.24 | jozefk | Trying to enable terminus bitmap fonts but it doesn't work |
| 14:44.34 | miskatonic | terminus is the only bitmap font enabled in fontconfig in stretch. did buster change that? |
| 14:45.07 | jozefk | I got Debian Testing, I don't know about Buster |
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| 14:45.36 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 14:45.36 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 14:45.38 | miskatonic | oops testing ... then not everything is supposed to work already |
| 14:45.46 | tcurdt | what's the most lightweight mail package to send just system relevant mail message ... failed cron jobs etc |
| 14:46.03 | tcurdt | msmtp? |
| 14:46.57 | greycat | For me personally, it's not about "lightweight" in terms of resource usage. It's more about using what I already know. |
| 14:47.26 | tcurdt | so what do you use? |
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| 14:47.45 | greycat | A standard full MTA, with the SMTP listener service turned off, is such a tiny thing compared to the power of modern hardware. |
| 14:48.23 | tcurdt | qmail? exim? postfix? |
| 14:48.25 | ksk | tcurdt: for example: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" offers some "only sent mail, do nothing else" option which fullfilled that role for me. Granted, I am somewhat familiar with exim4. |
| 14:48.33 | miskatonic | if /etc/fonts/conf.d is already present, this is the place where the hard work for font permissions is done. study the files in that directory to figure whether or not terminus is already considered |
| 14:48.36 | greycat | I use qmail, but I don't normally advise it for new people. |
| 14:49.14 | greycat | As ksk says, exim4 is the standard in Debian, is very well supported and understood by the community, and setting it up for local delivery only is easy. |
| 14:49.37 | tcurdt | exim I am also quite familiar with |
| 14:49.48 | tcurdt | well, used to |
| 14:50.00 | tcurdt | years ago :) |
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| 14:51.10 | jozefk | miskatonic, I see lots of links there but I am not that good about the meaning of those and I think I removed some, actually what I did first was that I made a backup. But later those backup files disappeared from there so I don't have them anymore. Anyway, I posted the question in #debian-next |
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| 14:52.42 | miskatonic | even a stable fontconfig is a pain in the rear |
| 14:52.58 | tcurdt | ksk: is there a way to select that config option just by installing a package? trying to avoid an interactive config |
| 14:53.07 | Bushmaster | Hi Folks, I have installed OpenJDK 14 (Java Development Kit) in my Debian Stretch 9.12 but when I type java -version it shows openjdk version "1.8.0_252" How can I configure my latest installation of JDK14? |
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| 14:53.26 | ratrace | tcurdt: with dma or something similar, you can even send an email to yourself using your own provider and your own submission credentials, so technically (with some exceptions) you don't really need a full MTA |
| 14:54.12 | tcurdt | ratrace: that's what I had in mind when I asked for the "lightweight" package |
| 14:54.25 | tcurdt | "dma"? I'll have a look, thanks |
| 14:54.58 | ksk | tcurdt: eh, you were asking about "how to get the xfce task applied to a running debian"? I think the grey cat offered something useful. |
| 14:55.04 | ratrace | tcurdt: dma is as simple as they get, and it's maintained. ssmtp is abandonware |
| 14:55.07 | ksk | !tell tcurdt about tasksel |
| 14:55.36 | ksk | tcurdt: a bot named dpkg sent you a private message, see the attached link to the debian wiki. |
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| 14:56.06 | tcurdt | ksk: fancy :) thanks |
| 14:56.53 | tcurdt | ksk: xfce task? I am a bit lost - wdym? |
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| 14:58.47 | ksk | as I tried to explain before, to my best knowlede; the tasks used in the installer are not part of the installed debian system, so its not easy to use them. How about just installing "xfce4"-package? :) |
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| 14:59.21 | ksk | (and to some extend, most advanced users tend to not use the tasks at all, and rather prefer packages to be installed by themselved) |
| 15:00.15 | EdePopede | $ xdg-mime query default audio/x-mpegurl |
| 15:00.16 | EdePopede | mpv.desktop |
| 15:00.28 | EdePopede | but then xdg-open uses mousepad. what? |
| 15:02.10 | somiaj | EdePopede: what does file say about the file? |
| 15:02.31 | oxek | anyone have a link to a working guide on making shared folders work in a windows7 guest when using qemu/kvm/libvirt/virt-manager? |
| 15:02.32 | EdePopede | 01.m3u: M3U playlist, UTF-8 Unicode text |
| 15:02.36 | EdePopede | because of "text"? |
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| 15:03.08 | ksk | oxek: I assume you are talking virtualbox? Its a PITA if you do want normal users to access that. Use HTTP/SSH/anything rather :X |
| 15:03.27 | ksk | eh, nevermind me. I should read before writing. |
| 15:03.43 | ksk | the latter stays valid of course. |
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| 15:05.35 | oxek | ksk: virtualbox works trivially. I mean qemu/kvm/libvirt/virt-manager combination. |
| 15:06.04 | oxek | trouble is the windows guest does not have networking |
| 15:06.24 | EdePopede | and then mc has with Open, View, Edit (three!!!) 3 different actions per filetype. xdg seems to know only about a single one. which then even breaks far too often. |
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| 15:08.38 | EdePopede | somiaj: it xdg-open calls exo-open on xfce. i had the same issue already with empty files and short TS segments which don't have a real magic number. all of this using mc's default action handlers as frontend. |
| 15:08.58 | EdePopede | only i thought the xfce thing would call the xdg thing |
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| 15:12.36 | Psil0Cybin | Hey all quick question I am trying to install Debian on my old laptop Dell Inspiron 1525, i can get passed all the install menus but once it starts installing the system it fails |
| 15:12.56 | Psil0Cybin | after partioning? How can I find out exactlky why this is happening? I am trying to boot up in live cd mode, but it seems like i never saw anything like this before |
| 15:13.25 | Psil0Cybin | it partitions my disks, goes to install the software, and than stops and says installtion not completeed, allows me to hit continue and than asks if i want ot install over something already installed |
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| 15:18.03 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: is it Ok for you to get logs? Perhaps can you try 'text installation' instead of default graphical install? You need to check what logs are saying, so you may be able to unsderstand where to look/troubleshoot |
| 15:19.50 | Psil0Cybin | very smart cybercrypto !! |
| 15:19.59 | Psil0Cybin | I was using just graphical install as per usual experience, let me try your advice |
| 15:20.30 | somiaj | EdePopede: looks like it is file --mime-type to get the mime type of the file. |
| 15:20.55 | greycat | aren't mime types just decided by the "extension"? |
| 15:20.57 | somiaj | EdePopede: though that is strange that xdg-open hands off the call, is this even if you run it in a terminal? Or using the file manager? |
| 15:20.57 | Psil0Cybin | but justr to note also i tried to booting debian in live mode, and it started working like i saw the bars starting to develop (in the XFCE4) gui or what ever default GUI was but than it stopped and i got a blank screen..hmm |
| 15:21.19 | somiaj | greycat: I think that is only part of it. |
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| 15:21.53 | greycat | /etc/mime.types seems to agree with me... |
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| 15:21.58 | EdePopede | somiaj: yep, text/plain. so exo-open relies on file this time? that's all weird. |
| 15:22.14 | EdePopede | somiaj: always terminal here |
| 15:22.47 | somiaj | greycat: I took a .pdf file and copied it to .txt and file still sees application/pdf as the mime type, it uses more than the extension. I think it looks at the file headers a bit |
| 15:22.52 | Psil0Cybin | cybercrypto, stupidest question to ask right now, but couldk it be because the machien is 32bit vs 64bit, or it would obviously have given me an error right away |
| 15:22.58 | Psil0Cybin | before i even go through partition, creating user name, etc etc |
| 15:23.21 | somiaj | EdePopede: My undersatnding is the action is based on the mime type, which in this case seems to be text/plain |
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| 15:23.26 | greycat | somiaj: then I would imagine file(1) is giving you a totally different (and therefore wrong/irrelevant) answer than whatever program is actually being invoked |
| 15:23.27 | EdePopede | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3U#Internet_media_types |
| 15:23.41 | EdePopede | not sure if text/plain is correct at all, though it *is* plain text |
| 15:23.52 | EdePopede | but that's also true for xbm and xpm |
| 15:25.11 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: kernel will not load in that case. is your HW 32? |
| 15:25.11 | EdePopede | usually i just press Enter on the file in mc so it checks its handler script (/etc/mc/mc.ext) and fires up the appropriate action |
| 15:25.30 | EdePopede | which usually is xdg for a lot of filetypes these days |
| 15:25.49 | somiaj | https://askubuntu.com/questions/7517/what-is-the-relationship-between-mime-types-and-file-extensions -- yea seems file tries to guess more than just use the extension, unsure if xdg-open just uses extensions or not |
| 15:26.11 | Psil0Cybin | cybercrypto, like right now when i try to run live cd, it shows me a bunch of time out messages, I wish i could copy and paste it but too complex to type out quickly than it shows me the Debian logo |
| 15:26.21 | somiaj | seems file managers do a combination of look at extension, try to guess based on contents |
| 15:26.26 | Psil0Cybin | so I can see something is happening hitting insert gives me the OK for everyhthing atm |
| 15:26.29 | Psil0Cybin | for live CD |
| 15:26.32 | greycat | xdg-open(1) refers to http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/ |
| 15:26.33 | EdePopede | file had a textfile in the past, seems to be gone now. a problem was that some things couldn't be expressed with its syntax. |
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| 15:27.28 | EdePopede | what i don't get here specifically is that xdg-mime this time sees that it's media but xdg-open ignores everything and calls exo-open |
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| 15:28.14 | Psil0Cybin | cybercrypto, than it goes through the list, saying [OK] for everything so seems like live CD has no errrors, than I am stuck with just a black screen |
| 15:28.14 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: If I am not mistaken, you can change to tty4 or 6 to check messages. you can also login as root in another tty and loog those messages mannually. |
| 15:28.26 | Psil0Cybin | AHH smart! okay. |
| 15:28.32 | greycat | https://specifications.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.1.html says "The freedesktop.org Shared MIME database provides a single way to store static information about MIME types and rules for determining a type." |
| 15:29.02 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: before you continue, your hardware is 32bit and you have a 32bit live-image, if thats true, you are good to go. |
| 15:29.44 | Psil0Cybin | no im using 64 bit, let me burn a 32 bit version. I had high hopes anyway because typically if i installed or inserted a 64 bit on a 32 bit machine it gave me some kind of warning |
| 15:29.45 | EdePopede | with those short TS files it was the other way round. file said it is video, but *sometimes* they start Office because xdg thinks it is some message catalog. |
| 15:30.01 | Psil0Cybin | this didnt give me any kind of notice just black screens after processes. |
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| 15:31.23 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: check /var/log/syslog |
| 15:31.24 | EdePopede | so /usr/bin/xdg-* all are shell scripts. |
| 15:31.56 | greycat | a few clicks later, https://specifications.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-0.18.html is telling me that there is some ungodly mish-mash of XML, extension globs, and magic(5) style databases |
| 15:32.02 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: if your HW is 64, go for it. do not burn a 32bit media. |
| 15:32.04 | greycat | good freaking luck figuring this out |
| 15:32.45 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: check also /var/log/installer |
| 15:32.51 | greycat | all I can suggest is that whatever MIME type xdg* comes up with will NOT necessarily match the MIME type suggested by file(1) or other non-xdg* tools |
| 15:33.24 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: and use the text installation mode, preferably (just in case) |
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| 15:36.18 | Psil0Cybin | okay thank you cybercrypto will attempt what you suggest :) and provide results. |
| 15:36.29 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: there is a hardware-summary file in there, check it and see what is detected and what not from the generic kernel. |
| 15:36.34 | EdePopede | greycat: for some reason Mousepad *was* set in xfce4-mime-settings. can't even remember to have changed it. maybe the file db is just outdated so it doesn't know about these HLS mediatypes. |
| 15:37.17 | EdePopede | at lest its detection seems to be better, i ran it once over some directories with TS files, it never failed. unlike xdg-mime :/ |
| 15:37.32 | Psil0Cybin | thanks i will do this, Its just such an old laptop Dell Inspiron 1525 and i have this project i want to basically use it as a node to automate or get into automation with ansible. |
| 15:37.32 | apt | Psil0Cybin: gern geschehen |
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| 15:37.48 | Psil0Cybin | so i just need a basic install of linux to basically "mess" around with as my main desktop is Debian 10 working perfectly. |
| 15:38.09 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: if partitioning was OK, partman file will tell you that, otherwise.... well... you know... |
| 15:39.08 | Psil0Cybin | yea thank you because yes partition went fine! I got to the second after basically entering my root/making user account than it goes to installing system and after 45 minutes of installing it fails. |
| 15:39.31 | Psil0Cybin | righht now the 64 bit iso dvd in live mode keeps flickering the bars for xfce4 on top and bottom so yea something is off.. |
| 15:39.41 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: it is fine to work with old ones, debian supports the majority of them. |
| 15:39.52 | Psil0Cybin | i am going to try the 32 bit version without graphic install so i can really ifgure out whats going on |
| 15:39.56 | Psil0Cybin | lkike you suggested my smart friend :D |
| 15:41.13 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: enjoy it. |
| 15:41.26 | Psil0Cybin | also last question, https://www.debian.org/distrib/ downloading 32-Bit PC Net install iso where can i find Debians Checksums |
| 15:41.27 | Psil0Cybin | for these files. |
| 15:41.39 | Psil0Cybin | I used to be able to find it but it became more hidden lol |
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| 15:44.16 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: try here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:44.28 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: hehehe they are not hide, believe me. |
| 15:44.47 | tharkun | Good $DAY since the schools are closed I had to "donate" my laptops to homeschooling. That is not the actual problem. The user "10 year old" is using youtube when he is not supposed to. Is there a "GUI" to disallow this type of rouge behaviour. So far I am using a cronjob with iptables but a more user (wife) friendly solution would be appreciated. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:46.00 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: the page above gets you into the i386 iso for debian netinst version. you will find the checksums as well. |
| 15:47.11 | Psil0Cybin | ty |
| 15:47.21 | Psil0Cybin | so much for your help and my silly questions |
| 15:47.50 | cybercrypto | Psil0Cybin: np, cya. |
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| 15:51.43 | cybercrypto | tharkun: You want to block a host to access youtube-website? that sounds a lot more like a proxy job to me. |
| 15:53.08 | PallasXD | ... this man is in the gestapo |
| 15:53.22 | PallasXD | no youtube at work .... |
| 15:53.54 | PallasXD | maybe he works for google |
| 15:54.16 | PallasXD | or US gourvernement ... CIA probably |
| 15:56.29 | tharkun | Or a simple worried full time dad. |
| 16:01.00 | cybercrypto | tharkun: using nftables to control access to youtube may work... but will never be efficient nor easy for 'wife-friendly' as you say. |
| 16:01.53 | cybercrypto | tharkun: few home routers offer 'web filters' that you can define URL to allow or block (works like proxy). Please check in networking channel for more detailed information. |
| 16:03.39 | tharkun | cybercrypto: Thanks for your time I will bug them a little. |
| 16:03.59 | cybercrypto | tharkun: np. |
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| 16:07.48 | cmptr | How do I get trackpad gestures to work? I want to be able to use two fingers to swipe and go back and forward in webpages. |
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| 16:12.58 | PallasXD | buy a macbook |
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| 16:14.06 | cmptr | That isn't realistic PallasXD . |
| 16:14.48 | cmptr | I just don't know what package I need to enable this feature. On my old laptop I had the trackpad gestures working, but I do not recall how I achieved that. |
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| 16:19.05 | cybercrypto | cmptr: What is your laptop hardware and what is your trackpad hardware? synaptics? ELAN? |
| 16:19.45 | cybercrypto | cmptr: I heard some people achieve multi-gesture using xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. I never used myself |
| 16:19.57 | PallasXD | i don't know but maybe that depends of your graphics interfaces choseen ? |
| 16:21.00 | cybercrypto | cmptr: try starting from this page, check if there is something usefull for you: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 16:21.54 | PallasXD | what is your desktop environnement ? GNONE ? XFCE ? |
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| 16:26.51 | tarzeau | ~. |
| 16:26.51 | apt | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. |
| 16:26.53 | tarzeau | ~, |
| 16:26.53 | apt | , is, like, there a quick fix ? |
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| 16:30.16 | cmptr | cybercrypto: Well my laptop is the new Dell XPS 13. It has Intel Iris Plus and I'm on KDE. I don't think it is synaptics. |
| 16:31.30 | cybercrypto | cmptr: what is your debian version? |
| 16:31.53 | cmptr | I'm on Bullseye cybercrypto |
| 16:32.14 | cybercrypto | cmptr: what does it says to you? egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps|elan' /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 16:34.50 | cybercrypto | cmptr: It is ok to try the wiki page i suggest you, even that you are running testing version. You may want to check with the testing channel for support if you will. |
| 16:35.08 | cmptr | cybercrypto: SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad. I didn't think it was Synatpics because on Windows it uses Precision Touchpad. |
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| 16:35.27 | cybercrypto | !debian Bullseye |
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| 16:35.35 | cybercrypto | !dpkg debian Bullseye |
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| 16:36.03 | dragon2 | how is Debian doing at the moment, it's been a couple of years since I used linux |
| 16:36.12 | cybercrypto | cmptr: I understand. but in any case i believe you may want to try the sinaptic package and config. |
| 16:36.17 | mesaboogie | rock solid dragon2 |
| 16:36.26 | annadane | chugging along as usual |
| 16:36.55 | dragon2 | good to hear mesaboogie |
| 16:37.12 | annadane | you're trying to get trackpad working on debian bullseye? |
| 16:37.13 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 16:37.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 16:37.17 | annadane | try asking there i guess |
| 16:37.20 | cybercrypto | cmptr: check the wiki and review it. After that, head to testing channell and ask about that for the folks there. |
| 16:38.01 | cmptr | I'm checking the wiki now. I know there is some kde pacakge that I am missing, so I will check that next. THank you for the help cybercrypto |
| 16:38.34 | cybercrypto | cmptr: I am sorry I cannot help you further. good luck. |
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| 16:39.18 | cmptr | No no, you have been very helpful cybercrypto. |
| 16:39.45 | cybercrypto | cmptr: np, cya! |
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| 16:44.13 | r3 | funny, the last time I worked with a trackpad was figuring out how to disable it... lol - easier than making it work I suppose! :) |
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| 16:45.56 | rain1 | hello |
| 16:46.06 | rain1 | I had this problem where update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-8-amd64 |
| 16:46.16 | rain1 | gives this error gzip: stdout: No space left on device |
| 16:46.24 | rain1 | is there a way to clear stuff from /boot to fix this? |
| 16:46.45 | greycat | Usually you would delete one of your older kernels. |
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| 16:56.19 | BadPractice | hi. can you tell me if a xfce installation with tasksel might not be done correctly on a debian system or if xfce is just mighty buggy even after a correct install?^^ |
| 16:56.34 | RetroRudie | when i setup ufw with "default allow outgoing" and "default reject incoming" do i need a rule to cover localhost connections? |
| 16:56.54 | greycat | BadPractice: most people who have an issue with a desktop environment just need to install non-free firmware for their video chipset |
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| 16:59.47 | r3 | greycat: about non-free, I've recently run into that issue, and saw something about putting the .deb into /firmware on the install media - is the the correct way to go about it? |
| 17:00.08 | greycat | If you can boot and get on the internet, just do that, and install the firmware packages with apt-get. |
| 17:00.27 | greycat | All of that mucking around during installation is only necessary if you MUST have the firmware to get a working network. |
| 17:00.41 | r3 | aye, that's what I ended up doing, but it would have been nice to be able to use the graphical installer ;) |
| 17:00.50 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 17:00.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 17:00.51 | nobyk | RetroRudie: I would think so but tbh I don't know |
| 17:01.05 | RetroRudie | yeah :) |
| 17:01.46 | BadPractice | greycat, i dont think thats my issue. For examle when i start xlock (locking screen) it just goes to blackness. For what i have seen so far thats caused by the missing screensaver utillity in the stable repository |
| 17:02.19 | greycat | You have an "xlock"?!? From where? |
| 17:02.27 | greycat | xlockmore hasn't been in Debian in years! |
| 17:03.05 | annadane | ,v xlockmore |
| 17:03.06 | judd | No package named 'xlockmore' was found in amd64. |
| 17:03.26 | r3 | oh it says that here (to put it into /firmware ) ... [ https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware ] ... I had forgotten where I had read that from. Good to know, thanks for the link, greycat |
| 17:04.03 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xlockmore |
| 17:04.08 | greycat | [2012-10-26] Bug#690891: Removed package(s) from unstable (Debian FTP Masters) |
| 17:04.24 | r3 | heheh |
| 17:04.48 | nobyk | RetroRudie: you did? |
| 17:05.51 | RetroRudie | nobyk: did what? |
| 17:06.24 | imMute | RetroRudie: I think you need to explicitly allow lo. I don't think the filters have any special casing for loopback, since maybe you really do want to do something tricky with filtering it. |
| 17:06.25 | nobyk | Sorry, the ufw rule |
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| 17:06.44 | RetroRudie | i am experimenting with rules for localhost without success so far |
| 17:07.47 | imMute | RetroRudie: I don't use UFW, so I can't help there. I use iptables and I have a rule "-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT" near the beginning of my rule list. |
| 17:09.12 | BadPractice | greycat, oh... i dont have |
| 17:09.28 | RetroRudie | the strange thing is the services connected to the ircd just fine as is but the client times out |
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| 17:10.37 | BadPractice | greycat, xflock4 sorry |
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| 17:14.19 | greycat | OK, at this point you're asking questions about the utilities specific to some desktop environment, so you'll need someone who actually *uses* a desktop environment. Or you can search for existing bug reports. |
| 17:14.41 | greycat | Personally, I just use i3lock (and no other pieces of i3). |
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| 17:18.25 | BadPractice | i was just currios if it is brokein by default or if i did sth |
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| 17:19.25 | BadPractice | brb |
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| 17:20.21 | vlt | Hello. I used the official debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-mate.iso (and its non-graphical installer) to install Debian to a new ThinkPad. Everything just worked (except for the need for firmware-iwlwifi from non-free). |
| 17:20.33 | vlt | Great work, thank you! |
| 17:21.01 | vlt | What is the intended way for a normal user to install an HP Laserjet? |
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| 17:22.16 | cmptr | What about multi finger gestures? I figured out how to create single finger gestures, but not multiple. Two finger scrolling works right out of the box, but not the going back and forward through webpages. |
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| 17:22.48 | diogenes_ | vlt, doesn't it work out of the box? |
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| 17:44.26 | scaredysquirrel | 12:42:14 <scaredysquirrel> hrm I type 0> boot cd:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf on my PowerBook G4 |
| 17:44.26 | scaredysquirrel | 12:42:44 <scaredysquirrel> and it says Decrementer exception and halts back at the prompt |
| 17:44.26 | scaredysquirrel | 12:43:00 <scaredysquirrel> it's the debian-10.0-powerpc-NETINST.iso |
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| 18:03.14 | vlt | diogenes_: Unfortunately not. Out of the box thereâs not even CUPS present. |
| 18:04.23 | oxek | anyone know if this will ever get fixed in debian? http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/linux-dist.html |
| 18:07.28 | greycat | I don't think cdrtools is packaged in Debian. |
| 18:07.40 | sney | ,i cdrkit |
| 18:07.41 | judd | No package named 'cdrkit' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 18:07.49 | sney | oy, that's the source package |
| 18:07.51 | sney | ,i wodim |
| 18:07.52 | judd | Package wodim (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: command line CD/DVD writing tool. Version: 9:1.1.11-3+b2; Size: 344.4k; Installed: 903k |
| 18:07.55 | greycat | wodim is *not* the same |
| 18:08.01 | oxek | yeah debian created its own fork, but I was just bitten by genisoimage creating a corrupt iso |
| 18:08.04 | diogenes_ | vlt, so install CUPS and hplip. |
| 18:08.20 | sney | cdrkit is the fork that the cdrtools page is whining about |
| 18:08.23 | oxek | and apparently all the issues are fixed in the mkisofs which is not packaged in debian |
| 18:08.29 | greycat | So are you actually using debian's "wodim" and asking when it will be fixed with some patch from a different project? Uh. |
| 18:09.01 | oxek | I am not talking about wodim here, just genisoimage/mkisofs |
| 18:09.11 | greycat | *which* mkisofs? |
| 18:09.38 | oxek | isn't there just one mkisofs? The original one, still being developed by cdrtools. |
| 18:09.51 | greycat | Nope! |
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| 18:09.58 | greycat | ,file bin/mkisofs |
| 18:10.02 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:10.07 | GNU\colossus | *curses in SunOS* |
| 18:10.25 | greycat | So we're still back to *what mkisofs are you using*? Where is it in your file system? How did it get there? |
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| 18:11.20 | oxek | oh I am not using mkisofs, I just have the package 'genisoimage' which is debian's fork of mkisofs |
| 18:11.26 | greycat | ... |
| 18:11.49 | oxek | and genisoimage created a corrupt iso image. Apparently this bug is fixed in mkisofs |
| 18:12.06 | greycat | Is there already a bug filed? If not, file one. |
| 18:14.44 | oxek | yeah I just read on https://wiki.debian.org/genisoimage that I should not be using genisoimage anyway... |
| 18:14.47 | oxek | sorry about the noise |
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| 18:17.21 | r3 | hmm - what is the suggested package for that use anyways? |
| 18:18.05 | greycat | You could install cdrtools (not from Debian). |
| 18:18.05 | r3 | as in, do y'all have a favorite? |
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| 18:18.40 | r3 | what do you use, greycat? |
| 18:18.48 | greycat | That. |
| 18:18.55 | r3 | ah ok, thanks :) |
| 18:18.56 | greycat | mkisofs is /usr/local/bin/mkisofs |
| 18:19.17 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 23 Apr 24 2015 /usr/local/bin/mkisofs -> /opt/schily/bin/mkisofs* |
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| 18:29.36 | GNU\colossus | *curses in Joerg* |
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| 18:35.52 | CQ | hello, I have a buster running linux 4.19 ... how can I switch to the latest 5.x kernel series? |
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| 18:36.26 | greycat | !buster-backports |
| 18:36.26 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 18:36.45 | greycat | It won't necessarily be "latest", but it's better than many of your other options. |
| 18:37.13 | dvs | and it's (almost) supported |
| 18:38.12 | CQ | greycat, I know backports, but if I install say linux-image-5.5.something, will it stay on 5.5, or update within the 5.5 series, or also move to 5.6? |
| 18:38.24 | oxek | GNU\colossus: you sure curse a lot :) |
| 18:38.31 | CQ | I am wondering which package to install, do I need a concrete kernel package, or is there a 5.x or 5.5 meta package? |
| 18:39.05 | jmcnaught | CQ: 'apt-get -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64' |
| 18:39.14 | GNU\colossus | oxek, it's a pretty common and perfectly natural reaction when being reminded of Joerg Schilling's existence |
| 18:40.06 | CQ | jmcnaught, thats what I have installed, and what got me to 4.19 |
| 18:40.17 | CQ | not the backports one, but the buster one |
| 18:40.21 | jmcnaught | CQ: if you install the metapackage from backports it will always track the most recent kernel from backports |
| 18:40.22 | tds | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:40.23 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u4; buster-backports: 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.6.7-1; sid: 5.6.7-1; experimental: 5.7~rc5-1~exp1 |
| 18:40.29 | tds | ^ buster-backports will get you 5.5 :) |
| 18:40.37 | greycat | (currently) |
| 18:40.42 | jmcnaught | CQ: you must not have included "-t buster-backports" in your command |
| 18:40.45 | oxek | GNU\colossus: I don't know who that is. Would it be interesting knowledge for me to find out? |
| 18:40.57 | CQ | tds ah, thanks, that explains it. I thought buster was on 5.x already since I see 5.4 and 5.5 kernels in apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 18:42.34 | GNU\colossus | oxek, you can probably spend your time more meaningfully and/or productively :) "Schily" is a rather prolific and productive software developer from Germany who's very much into Sun Solaris, and he wrote much of cdrtools/cdrecord. |
| 18:43.37 | annadane | incidentally why do you want a newer kernel? |
| 18:43.38 | greycat | The original cdrecord had a non-free branch and a free branch, and the licensing issues with Debian got heated. |
| 18:44.14 | dvs | gets the shiner out |
| 18:45.24 | r3 | GNU\colossus: yeah I was reading [ http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/linux-dist.html ] and since I don't have any context I couldn't tell if he was a kook or had legitimate gripes |
| 18:45.44 | greycat | (probably both) |
| 18:45.53 | r3 | heheh |
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| 18:47.11 | GNU\colossus | he's a notoriously trollish presence on German language IT forums, and best simply not dealt with at all in my experience ;) |
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| 18:47.39 | r3 | noted! |
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| 19:59.55 | b1ackandwh1te | if i set a boot password then other guy boot my machine and press 'e', what happens? |
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| 20:04.48 | b1ackandwh1te | boot password protects from 'e' key? |
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| 20:08.44 | r3 | like a password in BIOS? IIRC it wouldn't even get to GRUB |
| 20:09.47 | b1ackandwh1te | r3: no, not in bios. |
| 20:10.12 | bomb | LUKS passphrase? |
| 20:10.48 | b1ackandwh1te | bomb: no. |
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| 20:12.08 | bomb | what the heck is a boot password, then. user login screen? |
| 20:12.18 | r3 | unless you are using encryption, if I have physical access to your machine, I will be able to boot it and read all of your data. |
| 20:12.27 | b1ackandwh1te | bomb: yes. |
| 20:13.00 | greycat | A login password is not a boot password. |
| 20:13.03 | r3 | boot password or Root password? I'm confused. |
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| 20:14.32 | b1ackandwh1te | indeed... that password at boot time, not bios, grub password |
| 20:15.14 | greycat | You can have a firmware/BIOS password, a boot loader password, a disk-encryption password, and a login password. |
| 20:15.35 | b1ackandwh1te | hum, grub password is not a good security choice |
| 20:15.45 | greycat | some of these are far less useful than others |
| 20:16.12 | b1ackandwh1te | grub |
| 20:16.39 | b1ackandwh1te | boot loader |
| 20:17.21 | b1ackandwh1te | now thinking that was a fool question |
| 20:18.10 | b1ackandwh1te | mine |
| 20:18.18 | r3 | naw, there is no such thing as a foolish question, only foolish answers ;) |
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| 20:19.34 | r3 | greycat: imagine having each one of those just to get into your e-mail (add e-mail password lol) |
| 20:20.06 | b1ackandwh1te | hehehe |
| 20:20.19 | greycat | wifi password too |
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| 20:20.39 | r3 | each time you boot yow. That's 6 so far |
| 20:21.35 | EdePopede | with a boot password the boot loader shouldn't even show up? never used one, so no idea where it pops up. |
| 20:22.17 | b1ackandwh1te | the nightmare is to put a bios password in a laptop and forget it. |
| 20:22.31 | r3 | splash screen and then password prompt, I think, EdePopede |
| 20:23.10 | EdePopede | that's what i'd call login password |
| 20:23.28 | r3 | heh, well, you won't see grub is what I was getting at :) |
| 20:24.23 | EdePopede | reminds me of the confusion with windows and tabs and what not. terminal multiplexers and browsers and other types of software all use their own contradicting nomenclature :) |
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| 20:49.21 | karlpinc | I'm having trouble because my laptop battery is at 0% and is not charging. acpi -b says "charging at 0 rate", and this is confirmed by "upower -d". "The Internet" says to try resetting the hardware power manager by removing all power but this did not seem to have an effect. Any suggestions? (ACER Aspire one) |
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| 20:55.11 | karlpinc | Which reminds me. The ACER has only 1G of ram, runs buster with xfce, and I use a browser on it just fine, although never watch videos etc. I did replace the platter with a ssd, so I suppose swapping (in) happens faster. It also has a slow Atom 32 bit cpu. Without the SSD using it was painful. |
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| 20:57.43 | sney | karlpinc: I have an asus eeepc with similar specs and its battery gave up the ghost after I'd had it for about 6 years. Luckily generic batteries are available on ebay. That would be my guess unless the battery in yours is new |
| 20:57.48 | r3 | well, karlpinc, this might be outside the scope of this channel, but I would take the battery out of it, and if you have a multimeter, check to see if it even registers a charge. If it sort-of does, look to *carefully* take the battery apart and check the individual cells. |
| 20:58.24 | r3 | chances are you will find one cell at significantly lower voltage than the others. |
| 20:59.12 | r3 | you could also check to see if the charger is plugged in, and also check it with the multimeter to see if it is putting out anything. Change to a different one if you can. |
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| 21:00.00 | r3 | but, as sney said, it might just be time to replace the battery entirely - they do wear out. |
| 21:01.27 | r3 | you might also clean the contacts on everything, the charger, charge port, internal contacts to the battery, the terminals on the battery. Fluff does accrue. |
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| 21:04.11 | r3 | or, you know, maybe just replace the whole thing - it is, what, probably 11-12 years old? :) Good luck - and be sure to unplug from the mains before fiddling with anything. Don't want it to be said that "The Internet" caused your injuries. |
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| 21:10.03 | r3 | meanwhile, lol: That's hilarious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One#AOA150_speaker_vibration_and_other_issues |
| 21:10.43 | r3 | "Audio frequencies around 1 kHz cause the hard drive to almost stop responding." <--- for the link-impaired ;) |
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| 21:11.53 | sney | I still use my eee. the keyboard port on the motherboard is shot so it doesn't work as a laptop anymore, so instead it's a low power server with a battery backup that hosts my nagios4 instance. why get rid of a working computer? |
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| 21:13.40 | r3 | oh hey I'm the last person who would pitch out a working computer - I've got dozens and another dozen in the boneyard in the back storage room |
| 21:14.28 | annadane | http://www.bash.org/?5273 |
| 21:14.49 | r3 | hey that was me |
| 21:14.54 | r3 | oh wait no it wasn't |
| 21:15.08 | r3 | but I've seen it before - lol - I think I did that once, but it was somewhere in a building |
| 21:15.39 | r3 | and wow, bash.org is still a thing :) Love it |
| 21:15.51 | annadane | yeah, very emblematic of the old internet |
| 21:15.54 | annadane | which i miss |
| 21:15.57 | r3 | aye |
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| 21:59.44 | jhutchins | ~,v nagios4 |
| 21:59.49 | jhutchins | ,v nagios4 |
| 21:59.50 | judd | Package: nagios4 on amd64 -- buster: 4.3.4-3; bullseye: 4.3.4-3+b1; sid: 4.3.4-3+b1 |
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| 22:01.01 | annadane | but what about oldoldoldoldoldoldoldoldstable?! |
| 22:08.43 | oxek | annadane: with that many olds which release would that be? |
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| 22:09.23 | annadane | deb 2 i think |
| 22:09.33 | annadane | or well, it doesn't strictly go 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 |
| 22:09.45 | annadane | but 8 releaes behind if my quick mental math is correct |
| 22:10.19 | sney | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Release_table so woody? |
| 22:10.20 | oxek | I don't think I remember debian before etch |
| 22:10.39 | annadane | yeah woody |
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| 22:12.03 | teclo- | had that problem in a 12-story office building |
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| 22:33.50 | somiaj | acrhive.debian.org has the old releases if you want to see how many you can run on a vm. though I think the releases before 2.0 are all all in source code, so you'll have to build them |
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| 22:36.11 | annadane | a fun debian fact is that when debian 3 was stable and debian 4 was testing they apparently basically recommended "look, just use debian 4, debian 3 is obsolete" |
| 22:36.29 | annadane | that was the one time i've heard where the majority view was "just use testing" |
| 22:37.02 | goerff | Hi all, I use a kvm switch and am regularly switching between my two machines, one of which is debian. Whenever I switch from my other machine to my debian one, I have to reconfigure my dual monitors' positions and my mouse tracking speed. It's as if the devices and their settings are "forgotten". |
| 22:37.14 | goerff | Is there a way for these settings to be saved and reloaded on disconnect and reconnect? |
| 22:38.07 | r3 | hmm. sounds like maybe it thinks those devices are getting removed/unplugged |
| 22:39.00 | phogg | annadane: what version was 3? |
| 22:39.04 | phogg | s/version/release/ |
| 22:39.04 | goerff | I think they are essentially--I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the kvm is doing virtually |
| 22:39.19 | goerff | r3: ^ |
| 22:39.22 | r3 | ...and that it may be running some sort of disconnect script? Find that "event" and you could potentially disable it |
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| 22:39.46 | goerff | r3: the kvm is hardware, there's no script that's being run |
| 22:39.49 | annadane | 3 was woody |
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| 22:40.44 | r3 | goerff: no I know that, I was talking about the OS |
| 22:40.52 | r3 | something "built in" |
| 22:41.12 | goerff | r3: like debian gets a disconnect event and then tears something down? |
| 22:44.06 | r3 | yeah, probably the driver so it won't be something obvious - if I remember correctly, sometimes I had to hit CTRL-ALT-Backspace on a KVM to 'wake' it, I wonder if you could try that? |
| 22:44.31 | goerff | I activate mine via a button |
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| 22:44.48 | goerff | should I search some log somewhere for an event being triggered and something being run? |
| 22:45.30 | r3 | dmesg might provide a clue |
| 22:45.52 | goerff | any ideas what I would search? I'm pretty new to this |
| 22:46.11 | r3 | what sort of KVM is it? I mean to try C-A-Back after switching to your Debian and see if that restores anything? |
| 22:46.41 | r3 | or CTRL-ALT-DEL |
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| 22:48.57 | goerff | CKL HDMI KVM Switch 2 Port Dual Monitor |
| 22:49.06 | r3 | I am also not quite sure what to check - something tells me it's an X problem - maybe something in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:49.08 | goerff | C-A-Back before or after I've logged in |
| 22:49.19 | r3 | after you've switched to your debian box |
| 22:50.25 | goerff | no cigar :/ |
| 22:51.00 | goerff | also nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 22:51.27 | r3 | this might point you to an answer, or something to google for: https://www.ghacks.net/2009/02/04/get-to-know-linux-understanding-xorgconf/ |
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| 22:54.11 | r3 | that's a very pricey KVM, I'm surprised you are having problems with it... you might want to check the manufacturer's website or contact their support. Really, the OS shouldn't even be aware that you are using a KVM so there might be some setting inside the KVM that will keep the ports "live" when you switch away |
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| 23:04.10 | r3 | goerff: this article highlight an entry in xorg.conf [ https://www.ghacks.net/2009/07/31/get-back-the-ctrl-alt-backspace-behavior-in-ubuntu/ ] and also points to running a virtual console [ https://www.ghacks.net/2009/07/18/how-a-virtual-console-can-keep-you-from-losing-work/ ] ... try chasing those leads down and let me know |
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| 23:04.47 | r3 | goerff, also, if there are any entries in your ~/.xsession-errors file, google the errors and see if a solution presents itself? |
| 23:05.29 | goerff | should I expect something to be in xorg.conf.d/? the dir is empty |
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| 23:13.37 | r3 | hmmm - I don't have a system here to check |
| 23:14.58 | sney | it is empty by default. |
| 23:15.00 | r3 | but I would say no |
| 23:15.22 | r3 | it has been some time since I fooled with it, but I hope some of the resources I listed can help |
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| 23:19.52 | r3 | and I am now wondering if you are using Wayland rather than X11 - goerff: I didn't ask what version/desktop you are using? |
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| 23:32.32 | r3 | goerff: when you log into your debian box, open a terminal and type 'loginctl' - note your session number, then type 'loginctl show-session X' where X is the session number from before. Look in the list and tell me what it says under "type=" |
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| 23:49.25 | karlpinc | sney, r3: Thanks. This is a relatively new battery. I got it on ebay. :) I think it just ran down to 0% and now I'm screwed. I know the charger is good, because that's what I'm using to run the computer now. |
| 23:49.59 | sney | there's also the option of shutting it down and leaving it off, but plugged in, overnight |
| 23:50.10 | sney | I've seen a few laptop batteries revive that way |
| 23:50.24 | r3 | yes, try to charge it without using the system at the same time |
| 23:50.29 | r3 | (along with other suggestions, above) |
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