| 00:00.05 | ksk | bello: I see, gimme a second |
| 00:01.18 | ThothCastel | ksk sure sure thank you |
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| 00:01.34 | ksk | bello: "while true; rsync -avpP --timeout=10 somefile.tar.gz user@host:/target/path/; sleep 1; done |
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| 00:02.44 | ksk | rsync in general (with that switches..) is a tool which enables you to resume file transfers for partially transfered files. the timeout value will make the rsync comand exit after ten seconds of no network-traffic - you might want to adjust it depending on your uplink |
| 00:02.51 | bello | ksk: this command i'll run on which server? on receiver? or sender? |
| 00:03.24 | ksk | you could do both ways ;) this one is for sender, "host" is the reciever (And it uses ssh as a backend btw, forgot to mention that..) |
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| 00:05.15 | bello | ksk: and where will i type receiver's password? it will ask me for password login during process ? |
| 00:05.18 | ThothCastel | ksk: are you familiar with installing apps run in java in debian? |
| 00:06.05 | ksk | bello: yes, it will just work the same as ssh: ask you for a password or use a key. |
| 00:06.40 | ksk | ThothCastel: You normally just install java (openjdk-jre in debian for the most things) and just run them? |
| 00:07.02 | bello | ok i'll try to test a small file first. |
| 00:07.06 | ThothCastel | it seems that I have all versions of jre |
| 00:07.16 | ThothCastel | it confuses the hell our of me |
| 00:07.29 | bello | ksk: both sides can be root users? is that matters? |
| 00:07.36 | ThothCastel | for instance I was instructed to run iced tea |
| 00:07.44 | ThothCastel | do you know iced tea? |
| 00:07.54 | ksk | ThothCastel: I am not your private google frontend, sorry. |
| 00:08.01 | ThothCastel | but yet the app throws me an error |
| 00:08.10 | ThothCastel | ksk lolol |
| 00:08.22 | ksk | bello: as I said, it uses ssh as the connection-mechanis: so if ssh works that way (root to root), rsync will, t oo. |
| 00:08.40 | ThothCastel | you seem to be very knowledgeable |
| 00:08.56 | ksk | ThothCastel: you should also work on asking smart question. we have exchanged quite some sentences now again, but not worked on your actual problem |
| 00:08.58 | ThothCastel | hence the reason for trying to pick your brain |
| 00:08.59 | ksk | !smart questions |
| 00:08.59 | dpkg | Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>. |
| 00:09.27 | ThothCastel | ksk: I have loads of problems as I have just now switched to linux |
| 00:09.31 | ThothCastel | so I am learning |
| 00:09.38 | ThothCastel | appreciate your help though |
| 00:10.15 | ksk | ThothCastel: thats totally fine. To give both you and people that try to help you a better experience I really suggest you give the link the bot pasted a read, its a good one - not only related to irc/linux, but for life in general :P |
| 00:11.19 | ksk | Instead of saying "I want do run program X with icedtea, and I am getting the Error Xy" - where someone with knowlege of either X or icedtea could give you an answer |
| 00:11.26 | ThothCastel | thanks for sharing ksk |
| 00:11.28 | ThothCastel | lol |
| 00:11.34 | ThothCastel | it is an interesting link |
| 00:11.44 | ThothCastel | will read it in a mo |
| 00:11.51 | ThothCastel | scanned through it |
| 00:11.54 | ksk | You just asked me if I know java or so - and wile I might have used java in the past, I dont really know anything about it :P |
| 00:12.09 | ThothCastel | i understand |
| 00:12.12 | ThothCastel | the same for me |
| 00:12.27 | ThothCastel | got it to work before - a couple of times |
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| 00:12.48 | ThothCastel | but I have always despised java |
| 00:13.12 | ThothCastel | issues were always present |
| 00:14.26 | bello | ksk sorry for my English. you started by quote but didn't close it. whats while true meaning in command? the command starting by rsync word? i mean you wrote this - "while true; rsync |
| 00:15.19 | ksk | oh sorry, I wanted to close it in " - and they just indicate the command from my spoken text |
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| 00:16.08 | ksk | and oh sorry², it has an error in it :D |
| 00:16.45 | ksk | bello: see http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8c78e9ed/ |
| 00:18.42 | ksk | "while" is a looping function, which runs until the statement evaluates to false - which "true" will never do, meaning it will run forever. You can kill it with (maybe multiple, fast repeating) presses of "ctrl + c " in that shell running the command (because once the file transfer is finished, it will run again, then tell you "the file is completly transfered" and then start again.. |
| 00:20.05 | ksk | There might be a graphical solution to your problem, which would maybe rather fit your needs, but I dont really know GUI tools at all. |
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| 00:21.55 | bello | should i kill it ksk? it will not stop when file transferred? |
| 00:23.04 | bello | what will i do if i'll disconnected from ssh session ksk? |
| 00:23.14 | ksk | the rsync command itself will stop. the bash programming foo around it will just start it again - because that is what you need for your problem "disconnects while transfering" |
| 00:23.26 | bello | can i use transfer command in screen instead? |
| 00:24.18 | ksk | you can just use the rsync command, without any other logic, like "rsync -avpP file user@host:/path" |
| 00:24.59 | ksk | it will then time-out when your internet fails, but you can just start it again, and it will catch up where it stopped last ti me - maybe easier for you if you do not have any understanding of programming languages and bash in specific |
| 00:27.18 | bello | ksk: i'll rerun same command again if i'll disconnected from ssh session during transfer? and it will resume from last point? that's better i think. |
| 00:27.46 | ksk | yes. |
| 00:28.24 | ksk | you can test that with aborting a running rsync transfer via ctrl + c and then just running the same command again |
| 00:31.21 | bello | ok i'll run a test transfer. i arrange a file |
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| 00:38.43 | bello | ksk: if i want to receive file from root user dir, the "host:22/path" will be just "host:22/" ? |
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| 00:39.29 | coyotesays | off topic: anyone know of a chan for mobile phone fixing? |
| 00:41.10 | bello | coyotesays: i think try web forums like xda developers if android device |
| 00:41.26 | coyotesays | thanks bello this is hardware |
| 00:42.04 | bello | ok bro good luck with that |
| 00:42.27 | coyotesays | thanks for wishing me well if you were serious :> |
| 00:44.24 | ksk | bello: you need to replace host with the IP. you should really start reading documentations at this point : P |
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| 00:44.34 | ksk | or with the hostname of course. |
| 00:45.09 | ksk | you could do like "rsync -avpP root@10.0.0.1:/root/somefile" |
| 00:45.20 | ksk | if you want to pull whole directories, you will have to use the "-r" switch.. |
| 00:46.16 | bello | ksk: i didn't want to put ip address here, i wrote same as you then. |
| 00:50.20 | bello | ksk: root/somefile ? i'll rename the file on receiver? it will use same file name if i just typed :/root/ ? |
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| 00:53.29 | ksk | eh I am too dizzy, sorry. complete command would be: "rsync -avpP root@10.0.0.1:/root/somefile ." |
| 00:54.04 | ksk | which means get /root/somefile from remote server 10.0.0.1, and place it in the current working directory |
| 00:54.44 | ksk | if you want to transfer a file to a remote, you do "rsync -avpP /some/file root@10.0.0.1:/root/" - which then gets placed in the root directory of the remote server |
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| 00:54.47 | bello | ksk: you didn't put file name after -avpP ? |
| 00:55.10 | ksk | rsync can both "push" and "pull" files, I tried to elaborate on that with the last two posts. |
| 00:55.15 | bello | wait, this command for receiver ? i'll run it from receiver? |
| 00:55.22 | ksk | no. |
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| 00:56.04 | ksk | Im out for today. Please refer to documentation (manpages) and general unix/linux 101.. |
| 00:56.04 | bello | yes i understand so |
| 00:56.15 | bello | thanks you ksk |
| 00:56.34 | bello | i'm going to testing both |
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| 02:42.15 | RodrigoBH | Can anybody please tell me why does my microphone appear on pavucontrol/Input Devices, but not on Settings/Sound/Input? I'm on Buster |
| 02:42.52 | somiaj | What desktop? |
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| 02:45.21 | SpeedGoodness | Is there a reason why Debian uses dash for /bin/sh rather than bash? |
| 02:45.47 | themill | SpeedGoodness: smaller and much faster (for most scripts) |
| 02:46.22 | SpeedGoodness | I encountered a ./configure script that breaks with dash |
| 02:46.36 | themill | sounds like a pretty broken script :( |
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| 02:46.51 | somiaj | SpeedGoodness: add #!/bin/bash to the top of the script |
| 02:47.00 | SpeedGoodness | Would that be considered a bug in dash or just the script expecting the extra features of bash? |
| 02:47.15 | SpeedGoodness | ok |
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| 02:47.24 | somiaj | but scripts shouldn't assume what shell is running them, and if they want to work in multiple shells they should be POSIX |
| 02:47.25 | themill | that's a bug in the configure script; if it needs bash it should ask for bash |
| 02:47.51 | SpeedGoodness | dasd -x doesn't do anything so I can't see where it failed |
| 02:47.54 | themill | (or fix the bashisms in the script; that's not normally very hard to do) |
| 02:48.15 | themill | SpeedGoodness: can you pastebin the script? |
| 02:48.24 | SpeedGoodness | yeah |
| 02:48.36 | SpeedGoodness | What's that cool port 8888 netcat pastebin? |
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| 02:48.45 | SpeedGoodness | Maybe it's port 9999 |
| 02:48.55 | themill | !termbin |
| 02:48.55 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:49.22 | SpeedGoodness | yeah! |
| 02:49.54 | SpeedGoodness | This is a piece of legacy software by the way |
| 02:50.34 | InnovAnon-Inc | it's just the source package? no autotools files in there so you can regen the configure script? |
| 02:51.34 | SpeedGoodness | Probably but that's kind of advanced for me |
| 02:52.29 | somiaj | SpeedGoodness: Might be easiest to just force the script to use bash then, as opposed to trying to fix it. |
| 02:52.50 | InnovAnon-Inc | let's see the source. I'm curious now |
| 02:53.46 | themill | wonders if he should tell dpkg that's a useless use of cat... |
| 02:54.26 | SpeedGoodness | https://termbin.com/gllj |
| 02:54.41 | SpeedGoodness | I don't think configure will run without the surrounding files though |
| 02:54.55 | somiaj | so use nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file -- though I think the example is meant to show redirecting multiple output, for instance dmesg | nc ... is needed right? |
| 02:55.29 | SpeedGoodness | dash ../dist/configure does: ../dist/configure: 1: ../dist/configure: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string |
| 02:55.39 | SpeedGoodness | bash ../dist/configure works fine! |
| 02:58.11 | SpeedGoodness | InnovAnon-Inc: ok? |
| 02:58.42 | InnovAnon-Inc | for now, bash ../dist/configure |
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| 02:59.06 | SpeedGoodness | InnovAnon-Inc: it might just be easier to download Berkeley DB 3.3.11 and navigate to build_unix/ and run dash ../dist/configure |
| 02:59.07 | RodrigoBH | somiaj: Gnome 3.30.2 |
| 02:59.20 | InnovAnon-Inc | or autoreconf --verbose --force --install if you've got autotools |
| 02:59.24 | InnovAnon-Inc | ok I'll look at it |
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| 02:59.31 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: Hmm, I wonder why gnome's tools don't see evertyhing, anyways are you able to completely configure the mic and get it working with pavucontrol? |
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| 02:59.34 | themill | SpeedGoodness: There's a reasonable chance that you'd be able to autoreconf to generate a new ./configure (assuming that the source files for that are included), but if it works with bash, just use bash |
| 03:00.39 | SpeedGoodness | themill: does that require the same old version of those tools? |
| 03:00.42 | RodrigoBH | somiaj: Actually I'm trying to understand that now because the mic only produces noise, some days loud noise, other days less loud... |
| 03:01.01 | RodrigoBH | that began just the other day |
| 03:01.16 | RodrigoBH | but it didn't appeared on Settings since the Debian install |
| 03:01.37 | SpeedGoodness | themill: it gives me errors about possibly undefined macro: ... |
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| 03:02.59 | themill | there's every chance that you'd have to also update the config for autotools for the package; if it currently works with bash then there is no need to go down this rabbit hole. |
| 03:03.09 | InnovAnon-Inc | I can't find a working link for that version |
| 03:03.21 | SpeedGoodness | thanks |
| 03:03.48 | SpeedGoodness | Does that mean update configure.ac by hand? |
| 03:04.10 | InnovAnon-Inc | no. you probably don't have autoconf-archive installed, I think |
| 03:04.28 | InnovAnon-Inc | better to do this in bash if you're not comfortable with autotools |
| 03:04.30 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: each DE has its own pulseapp, and it may have different ways of deciding what to show. I usually suggest pavucontrol or the pacmd command line tool when debugging pulse to make sure the de isn't getting in the way. |
| 03:04.39 | somiaj | But I don't understand pulse enough to give more advise than that. |
| 03:04.50 | SpeedGoodness | So really it would work if the really old autotools were available |
| 03:04.58 | SpeedGoodness | But yes I know bash can work |
| 03:04.59 | InnovAnon-Inc | that's easier to acquire |
| 03:05.25 | SpeedGoodness | Did you figure out what caused dash to tfail? |
| 03:05.31 | InnovAnon-Inc | but autotools-archive is a collection of contributed scripts... oh... are you missing pkg-config? |
| 03:06.07 | InnovAnon-Inc | no. I tried with -n and +x but it's not giving me anything different |
| 03:06.12 | SpeedGoodness | _/usr/bin/pkg-config exists |
| 03:06.30 | SpeedGoodness | Oh so it works fine on dash for you |
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| 03:07.11 | SpeedGoodness | The errer was happening intermittently so maybe there is some bug in dash |
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| 03:07.52 | somiaj | I doubt the bug is in dash. |
| 03:08.00 | RodrigoBH | somiaj: but the problem is not on pulse, but on the settings, that can't see the mic |
| 03:08.34 | SpeedGoodness | I have 32-bit dash 0.5.10.2-5 i386 |
| 03:09.37 | InnovAnon-Inc | heh unbuffer -p dash -x -n -v < configure |
| 03:10.01 | RodrigoBH | somiaj: on pulse and alsamixer I can change the volume of the mic, which changes the volume of the noise. But nothing I say is captured anywhere |
| 03:10.21 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: Probably an issue with the gnome sound settings tool. I see on google, you are not alone on this, and the solution seems to be to use pavucontrol |
| 03:11.20 | somiaj | also see a few suggestions you need to add some options to the snd_hda_intel module, I don't know what solution is best in your case. |
| 03:11.36 | SpeedGoodness | InnovAnon-Inc: if you configure it in bash it will then work in dash |
| 03:11.45 | SpeedGoodness | you have to unpack the tarball again |
| 03:12.08 | SpeedGoodness | sometimes ... |
| 03:12.23 | SpeedGoodness | or it will work and then the Makefile will be bad |
| 03:13.01 | RodrigoBH | somiaj: I had different problems a while back, and someone told me to install a package that created the "Monitor of Built-in Audio...". This didn't solve my previous issue, and made the system even more unstable |
| 03:13.51 | RodrigoBH | Every time I login, I need to go to pulseaudio to change output to headphone, because it can't detect the pin plugged in |
| 03:13.53 | InnovAnon-Inc | lol probably one thing after another. just run everything under bash. echo "./configure && make && sudo make install" | bash |
| 03:14.12 | InnovAnon-Inc | or bash configure && SHELL=bash make && SHELL=bash make install |
| 03:14.24 | RodrigoBH | I wonder if the a broken jack is common |
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| 03:14.44 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: I do know that with the snd_hda_intel module there is a lot of variety in how ti works with sound cards, and sometimes one needs to manually configure options vs use the auto detected ones. But this can take a bit of trial and error, and i don't know if it will work in this case. |
| 03:14.51 | RodrigoBH | Actually it feels when I rub the mic, the noise gets slightly louder |
| 03:14.56 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: could be a broken jack, it could be the jack isn't being detected as a mic correctly |
| 03:15.28 | SpeedGoodness | many more modern computers can select between line in and microphone for the single input jack |
| 03:15.48 | SpeedGoodness | Also, a microphone can operate in mono+phantom power or stereo on some cases |
| 03:16.15 | RodrigoBH | Well, I'll take a look at snd_hda_intel then. Thank you! |
| 03:16.24 | SpeedGoodness | plugging an electret microphone in a line in jack will result in silence! |
| 03:16.48 | RodrigoBH | My PC has about 4 years, but I didn't buy the best case available |
| 03:17.02 | somiaj | Yea, there is just a lot of variety, and though in many cases the defaults work, some cards just need a little bit of manualy configuration to force the jack to be the right type. |
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| 03:17.23 | RodrigoBH | The jacks (for mic and headphone) doesn't work sometimes, I need to move the pin till it works. But this now is totally different |
| 03:17.29 | quidnunc | I installed a package via check-install and now I want to remove it but I don't know what it was called. Is there a way to list all packages installed by checkinstall or a way to find out which package a file installed by checkinstall was installed by? |
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| 03:18.06 | RodrigoBH | Anyway, it worked for months (with some disconfiguring now and then). Now it stopped forever |
| 03:18.52 | SpeedGoodness | Just plug in some non earbud headphones and yell in to them for your mic |
| 03:19.00 | somiaj | could be bad hardware, maybe the mic plug has a loose wire |
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| 03:19.14 | SpeedGoodness | even in line in mode that should work a little bit |
| 03:21.55 | RodrigoBH | yes, I'll have to open it to see it |
| 03:21.59 | RodrigoBH | apt search snd-hda-intel returns nothing |
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| 03:22.08 | RodrigoBH | I'm looking for files |
| 03:22.40 | RodrigoBH | Found some files with this name for previous releases: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=snd-hda-intel |
| 03:23.17 | InnovAnon-Inc | I'm pretty sure snd-hda-intel is a kernel driver that you need to handle using modprobe |
| 03:23.23 | RodrigoBH | hmm it has found it |
| 03:23.26 | mesaboogie | RodrigoBH: snd-hda-intel is a kernel module and if it is the correct module for your sound chip it should be already loaded: lsmod | grep snd-hda |
| 03:24.13 | RodrigoBH | it found 2 files |
| 03:24.20 | RodrigoBH | but lsmod give nothing, even with sudo |
| 03:24.41 | RodrigoBH | usr/lib/modules/4.19.0-9-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 03:24.49 | RodrigoBH | usr/lib/modules/4.19.0-8-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 03:24.55 | RodrigoBH | couldn't use the first / |
| 03:24.58 | mesaboogie | RodrigoBH: lsmod | grep snd_hda |
| 03:25.04 | mesaboogie | my bad the underscore |
| 03:25.22 | RodrigoBH | hmmmm the filename uses -, the loaded module uses _ |
| 03:25.28 | mesaboogie | once a module is loaded it has a _ |
| 03:25.32 | mesaboogie | yes |
| 03:25.51 | RodrigoBH | right |
| 03:25.57 | RodrigoBH | does it help if I send the list here? |
| 03:26.10 | mesaboogie | not really, pastebin it |
| 03:26.13 | mesaboogie | share the link |
| 03:27.09 | RodrigoBH | https://pastebin.com/Msmr4z03 |
| 03:27.39 | mesaboogie | tells us the modules are loaded |
| 03:28.08 | InnovAnon-Inc | do you have anything interesting in /dev/snd? |
| 03:28.08 | RodrigoBH | lsmod list only loaded modules? Or is it the numbers? |
| 03:28.18 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: you have to use modprobe and myabe /etc/modprobe.d/ configuration files to change the options a module is loaded with. |
| 03:28.27 | mesaboogie | RodrigoBH: My chip uses snd-hda-intel and i hae to append options for it to work in 4.0 on n iMac here but that does not mean you need the same module options as I do. |
| 03:29.03 | mesaboogie | did this start after a kernel upgrade? |
| 03:29.15 | somiaj | RodrigoBH: the first one is to figure out what codec you have and then see what sort of model settings they have for that codec, some can fix issues. Though as you said, it went from working to not working, this more sounds like hardware than an issue with the module. |
| 03:29.32 | somiaj | oh yea or a kernel, you could try to old kernels too |
| 03:29.35 | RodrigoBH | InnovAnon-Inc, one folder and some yellow files, whose access options start with a "d" |
| 03:29.56 | RodrigoBH | they also have a + at the end (of the access options) |
| 03:30.15 | InnovAnon-Inc | as root... cat /dev/urandom | padsp tee /dev/snd/by-path/<whatever> /dev/null...hear anything? |
| 03:30.25 | RodrigoBH | mesaboogie, I'm not sure. The kernel upgrade with a simple "apt upgrade"? |
| 03:30.51 | mesaboogie | yes it can sure |
| 03:31.26 | mesaboogie | RodrigoBH: even better question: did this start right after an [ apt upgrade ] ? |
| 03:32.31 | RodrigoBH | mesaboogie, it may have, how do I see the dates of my last upgrades? |
| 03:32.42 | mesaboogie | good question |
| 03:32.51 | RodrigoBH | It was working last Friday. This Monday it was only noise |
| 03:33.04 | mesaboogie | try a different ic? |
| 03:33.07 | mesaboogie | mic* |
| 03:33.10 | RodrigoBH | tried |
| 03:33.13 | RodrigoBH | same problem |
| 03:33.28 | mesaboogie | does it change when you fiddle with the jack? |
| 03:33.43 | RodrigoBH | InnovAnon-Inc, didn't get it. <whatever> must be the name of one of the 2 files on by-path/ right? |
| 03:34.12 | RodrigoBH | mesaboogie, yes it changes |
| 03:34.23 | mesaboogie | The apt history is in /var/log/apt/history. |
| 03:34.24 | RodrigoBH | makes cracking sounds |
| 03:34.40 | mesaboogie | hrm maybe a bad jack too |
| 03:35.14 | RodrigoBH | mesaboogie, only this month history is there. Is it normal? |
| 03:35.27 | mesaboogie | probably rotates |
| 03:35.27 | InnovAnon-Inc | yeah |
| 03:36.49 | RodrigoBH | Only a few packages updated by that time. Lots of things on 15th though. Kernel updates contains the term "kernel"? |
| 03:38.37 | mesaboogie | linux-image |
| 03:39.01 | RodrigoBH | the word kernel appears twice: nvidia-kernel-dkms:amd64 (418.74-1, 418.113-1) and nvidia-kernel-support:amd64 (418.74-1, 418.113-1), but on day 9th, and the mic worked after that |
| 03:39.23 | mesaboogie | could be pulseaudio or alsa as well |
| 03:40.10 | mesaboogie | RodrigoBH: idea: create a new fresh test user, logout and log back in as the test user and see if the issue persists. that could narrow down some things |
| 03:40.35 | RodrigoBH | linux-image also on day 9th |
| 03:40.56 | RodrigoBH | great idea, I'll do that |
| 03:40.58 | mesaboogie | I had a pulseaudio ini file in my $HOME dir hose up my sound the other day |
| 03:40.59 | RodrigoBH | thank you all |
| 03:41.04 | mesaboogie | np |
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| 04:11.33 | RodrigoBH | back at it |
| 04:11.50 | RodrigoBH | Here's what I've found out with the new user: https://pastebin.com/hGkQEvMD |
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| 04:15.27 | RodrigoBH | mesaboogie, InnovAnon-Inc, somiaj, still there? |
| 04:15.56 | RodrigoBH | (still learning this thing, just citing 3 names like that, all 3 of you are notified?) |
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| 04:25.23 | RodrigoBH | I'm getting a message on boot: [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0xb2 (or later) |
| 04:25.36 | RodrigoBH | Is it something safe to do? Should I backup first? |
| 04:25.42 | RodrigoBH | Or is it trivial? |
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| 04:33.12 | mesaboogie | reinstall pulseaudio (that firmware bug probably has nothing to do with your sound) |
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| 04:34.07 | mesaboogie | RodrigoBH: sudo apt install --reinstall pulseaudio |
| 04:35.03 | somiaj | !microcode |
| 04:35.03 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
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| 05:11.22 | InnovAnon-Inc | what would cause sound to stop working in docker when switching from an older version of the distro to a newer version of the distro? |
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| 05:21.06 | RodrigoBH | Reinstalling pulseaudio didn't work. I'll try booting now |
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| 05:29.41 | RodrigoBH | Reinstalling pulseaudio and then boot only raised the noise bar on pulseaudio, but lowered the noise intensity on Audacity |
| 05:29.48 | RodrigoBH | still my voice can't be heard |
| 05:30.13 | RodrigoBH | studying snd_hda_intel now |
| 05:34.16 | nkuttler | RodrigoBH: is your input perhaps muted? |
| 05:34.38 | jim | hi, I got an i7 cpu in an HP probook 650 g1... I'm trying to figure out why my load average is so high (it was bouncing between 1 and 2, I guess it probably should be around 0.1 or so |
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| 05:38.42 | RodrigoBH | nkuttler, nope |
| 05:39.02 | RodrigoBH | when I mute it on pulse audio, the blue bar disappears |
| 05:39.10 | RodrigoBH | and it's not muted on alsamixer either |
| 05:39.35 | RodrigoBH | InnovAnon-Inc, now I did "sudo cat /dev/urandom | padsp tee /dev/snd/by-path/pci-0000:00:1f.3 /dev/null" |
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| 05:39.45 | RodrigoBH | and also "sudo cat /dev/urandom | padsp tee /dev/snd/by-path/pci-0000:01:00.1 /dev/null" |
| 05:39.58 | RodrigoBH | which are the only two files under .../by-path/ |
| 05:40.07 | RodrigoBH | both produced continued alert sounds |
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| 05:43.24 | InnovAnon-Inc | seems like the soundcard is fine lol |
| 05:44.03 | InnovAnon-Inc | padsp is what you should run as root... and that's just if running as user doesn't work. it's working fine |
| 05:47.47 | RodrigoBH | Yeah, I'll read about snd_hda_intel and tomorrow I'll open the PC to see if some cable is disconnected |
| 05:48.08 | RodrigoBH | Though the intensity of the noise sometimes is too consistent to be a loose wire, to me |
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| 05:55.18 | RodrigoBH | The only file about audio on /etc/modprobe.d/ is hda-jack-retask.conf that I installed other day, but it didn't change a thing |
| 05:56.20 | RodrigoBH | I asked it to override the pink and green pins with Microphone and Headphone, in the hope that it would dispense me of running pulseaudio evey time I boot |
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| 06:13.02 | RodrigoBH | I don't know if that happens, but while Audacity records loud noise (I turned up all controls), Windows on VirtualBox records nothing. But Windows plays audio fine. |
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| 06:26.25 | InnovAnon-Inc | does VBox have access to your mic? |
| 06:31.36 | RodrigoBH | It has access to the headphone |
| 06:31.54 | RodrigoBH | So I'm not sure. Let me see if it has that option |
| 06:32.33 | RodrigoBH | yes, and it's enabled by default |
| 06:34.10 | InnovAnon-Inc | what about the mic settings in the guest? |
| 06:34.15 | InnovAnon-Inc | is the volume up? |
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| 06:35.54 | RodrigoBH | Yes it was, I did the recording on both alternately |
| 06:36.23 | RodrigoBH | I think I'm going to format my PC :( |
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| 11:36.54 | hansh | > E: Release file for http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-updates/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 3h 25min 49s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 11:37.14 | hansh | how to fix that? o.0 |
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| 11:37.43 | ratrace | hansh: is your local time correct? |
| 11:38.44 | hansh | dang, nope, it's about 6 hours wrong |
| 11:40.56 | hansh | apt install chrony; fixed the time |
| 11:41.31 | hansh | guessing that's it, thanks ^^ |
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| 13:17.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 13:17.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a onliner i can run to figure out which login manager i am using? i want to skin it.. |
| 13:17.55 | mirko | how can i trigger added interfacews (in my case added vlan interfaces) without taking all configured interfaces down and back up? it wouldn't be /that/ bad, but all virsh managed VMs who are attached completely lose connectivity until being restarted |
| 13:19.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.07 | underscore | Hello. Are there any packages that do spell checking while using libreoffice? |
| 13:22.18 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
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| 13:22.24 | underscore | Or should I use one of the extensions of libreoffice itself? |
| 13:22.35 | abrotman | underscore: I'd suspect it would bein the recommends or suggests ? |
| 13:22.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i got it |
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| 13:22.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | lightdm |
| 13:22.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | woot |
| 13:22.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | now time for Xena skins |
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| 13:23.42 | mirko | underscore: aren't the hunspell-* packages being used by libreoffice? |
| 13:24.00 | abrotman | seems to suggest hunspell or myspell |
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| 13:26.49 | underscore | mirko: ty for the suggestion, I'll give it a try and let you know |
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| 13:28.58 | underscore | mirko: it worked, thank you! |
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| 13:30.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok lightdm.. |
| 13:30.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i change the colors? |
| 13:31.02 | antto | i think it has to do with the "greeter" thing |
| 13:31.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | of like the panels not the backgroung |
| 13:31.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 13:31.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got the backgroun |
| 13:31.13 | antto | panels? |
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| 13:31.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe i should google. |
| 13:31.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | wheere you type your password and name |
| 13:31.27 | bomb | no I did that for you |
| 13:31.33 | antto | tbh i doubt anyone sits in the login manager for too long ;P~ |
| 13:31.35 | bomb | hit the console, vim /etc/lightdm |
| 13:32.00 | bomb | I mean /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf |
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| 13:32.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 13:32.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah theme-name = GTK+ theme to use |
| 13:32.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ahhh |
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| 13:32.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | gtk theme |
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| 13:34.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hehehe |
| 13:34.35 | bomb | :) |
| 13:34.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | XENA! XENA! |
| 13:35.00 | antto | pics? |
| 13:35.26 | antto | hm, can you even grab screenshots from the login manager |
| 13:35.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://www.syfy.com/xenawarriorprincess/videos/621-a-friend-in-need-part-1 |
| 13:35.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | amazing |
| 13:36.38 | netvixtra | is that another show syfy cancelled? |
| 13:36.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | haha |
| 13:36.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | she wasn't canceled |
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| 13:37.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | she ran for many seasons and we got a conclusion |
| 13:37.17 | antto | interesting armor.. it protects only "teh precious" parts |
| 13:37.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | unlike so many recent shows |
| 13:37.21 | netvixtra | does not seem like something syfy did run |
| 13:37.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | no |
| 13:37.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | they got rights to it i think |
| 13:37.49 | netvixtra | yeah, they would cancel long before a series conclusion |
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| 13:38.37 | netvixtra | I am so glad someone picked up The Expanse |
| 13:39.39 | b1ack0p | is there any good alternative for CyristalDiskMark to test disk speed? |
| 13:39.49 | b1ack0p | for linux |
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| 13:46.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | goodie |
| 13:46.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just went with black |
| 13:46.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think that should match lightdm and my desktop env |
| 13:46.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | brb |
| 13:51.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | and .... |
| 13:51.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 13:51.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | time for looking at logs |
| 13:51.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i bet she is too big |
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| 14:52.52 | EdePopede | is recursive grep a lie? |
| 14:53.45 | annadane | not sure, is it a cake? |
| 14:54.12 | petn-randall | EdePopede: Sounds like a meta question. |
| 14:54.21 | oiaohm | EdePopede: you mean -r after grep its not a lie but the reasons it stops and does not go into particular areas can be really head scratching at times. |
| 14:54.27 | EdePopede | well, -r only tells me that the file doesn't exist |
| 14:54.44 | EdePopede | so do i have to copy all the files from the subdirectories into $here? |
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| 14:55.04 | oiaohm | Is there a symbolic link or mount point in the middle. |
| 14:55.17 | oiaohm | grep -r is picky about those things. |
| 14:55.35 | EdePopede | gosh, 2 minutes until firefox even lets me enter the search, then 2 more to show results, now 2 more and going on to open the limk |
| 14:55.37 | petn-randall | It is about symlinks, but shouldn't care about filesystem borders. |
| 14:55.42 | GNU\colossus | EdePopede, you can always use `find` to get an explicit list of files to grep in, and the use "-exec grep <your-params> {} +" |
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| 14:56.15 | EdePopede | it should be *trivial* to do a recursive search. "search $this in $filepattern" |
| 14:56.17 | oiaohm | petn-randall: I know it should not but different versions of grep have different ideas |
| 14:56.24 | EdePopede | if it doesn't work it should be removed |
| 14:57.00 | EdePopede | that's the reasons why i use mc most of the time for fs related things |
| 14:57.04 | EdePopede | or even file |
| 14:57.44 | EdePopede | from the manpage: Read all files under each directory, recursively, following symbolic links only if they are on the command line. |
| 14:57.52 | EdePopede | sounds trivial, doesn't seem to work at all |
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| 14:59.19 | EdePopede | according to some arbitrary google hit it works only on complete trees |
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| 14:59.40 | EdePopede | as in: grep -R linuxize.com /etc |
| 15:01.04 | oiaohm | EdePopede: --dereference-recursive not just -r . That been loto with grep versions if that has worked at all. |
| 15:01.28 | EdePopede | great, so i can have the filename OR the textline, but not both it seems |
| 15:01.28 | oiaohm | for stuff like that I normally end up back with find and its means to execute commands. |
| 15:02.04 | klaas | can I see which optical cable port is used of my nic without the other side being plugged in yet? |
| 15:02.47 | klaas | want to configure it so it works once the other side is plugged in but I am not sure which port the technician used of the 4 available ones |
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| 15:11.51 | oiaohm | EdePopede: find -exec echo File: {} \; -exec grep something {} \; << My normal way around that -R problem. |
| 15:13.20 | EdePopede | oiaohm, this one works: -exec printf "%-80s " {} \; -exec grep ^ {} \; |
| 15:13.40 | EdePopede | more or less... of course coreutils are not utf-8 safe |
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| 15:15.01 | EdePopede | i don't want to come up with this old story again, but... i've seen in some cut(1) source from the 90s the comment about -b and -c that it will be necessary to split them off, they were using the same code. that's 1 character === 1 byte. |
| 15:15.38 | EdePopede | grep -H is another design nightmare, just squashes the 2 parts together with a simple colon. |
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| 15:18.31 | gravitos | probably this is not where I should ask this, but |
| 15:18.35 | gravitos | gravitos@gravitos-ThinkPad-R400 ~ $ adb devices |
| 15:18.35 | gravitos | List of devices attached |
| 15:18.35 | gravitos | cfb6687d0804no permissions |
| 15:18.44 | gravitos | how to get that permissions? |
| 15:18.50 | gravitos | no popups on phone |
| 15:18.57 | EdePopede | $ printf "süÃöl" | wc -m; printf süÃöl | cut -c 8 ### note: 'c' is for "characters" |
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| 15:20.38 | EdePopede | ,file bin/adb |
| 15:20.44 | judd | Search for bin/adb in buster/amd64: adb: usr/bin/adb |
| 15:20.46 | EdePopede | ah |
| 15:21.31 | gravitos | adb is in /usr/bin/ |
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| 15:25.06 | EdePopede | oiaohm: also, `--include $filepattern`. i think i never see it because i usually /search in man and it is *above* -r |
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| 15:28.03 | b1ack0p | EdePopede: sup |
| 15:28.22 | b1ack0p | gravitos: do you have R400? |
| 15:28.53 | gravitos | b1ack0p: yup |
| 15:29.04 | b1ack0p | i have T400 |
| 15:29.42 | gravitos | well, it is not exactly mine |
| 15:30.33 | b1ack0p | okk |
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| 15:35.17 | gravitos | for some really magical reasons it works if adb is started by root |
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| 15:59.33 | EdePopede | gravitos: the package mentions android-sdk-platform-tools-common, maybe it's the reason why you need root |
| 16:00.00 | EdePopede | b1ack0p: howdy. gotta run now, shopping and maybe some turkish tea ;) |
| 16:00.57 | b1ack0p | EdePopede: dont forget tea pot :p |
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| 16:49.26 | estan | hi folks. anyone know, back in jessie, with intel/mesa gfx, what package provides libGLX.so.0? i'm doing some maintenance of an AppImage build of ours, which previously wrongly bundled this library inside the AppImage, so now i'm updating the debian:jessie Docker images we used to test that the AppImage is working. |
| 16:52.28 | sney | should be libgl1-mesa-glx or something close to that |
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| 16:54.29 | estan | sney: yea, i thought so too, and we had that in there, but that package only has libGL on jessie: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libgl1-mesa-glx/filelist |
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| 17:02.14 | estan | perhaps libGLX didn't exist back then? (i find it strange though, because it seems it has existed for so long). but when i try `ldd /usr/bin/glxgears` on jessie, it doesn't link against libGLX there, while it does on a more recent debian.. |
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| 17:02.43 | aeon90 | should it be stable/updates or stable-updates in sources.list ? |
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| 17:03.18 | estan | a bit of a problem, since our application (indirectly) links against that. i wonder what people building AppImages usually do here.. (our AppImage is built in a CentOS 7 container). |
| 17:03.44 | ratrace | aeon90: both . stable/updates is non-security updates, stable-updates is security updates |
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| 17:06.00 | jmcnaught | aeon90: it should also be 'buster' instead of 'stable' so you don't get a surprise half upgrade to bullseye one day after it's released. |
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| 17:13.53 | imMute | estan: perhaps libGLX was a static library back then? |
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| 17:15.01 | imMute | estan: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=amd64&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=libGLX might be helpful too |
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| 17:22.24 | estan | imMute: yea, something must have changed since then. your search there shows that there is no package providing libGLX.so.0 on jessie :/ |
| 17:23.55 | estan | maybe we'll just say screw it and say our AppImage is only supported on roughly stretch-era distros :p |
| 17:23.59 | aeon90 | ratrace, can I have both stable/updates and stable-updates on the same line? |
| 17:24.47 | ratrace | aeon90: no they're separate repositories for separate roles |
| 17:24.49 | ratrace | !sources.list |
| 17:24.49 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:29.47 | estan | hmm. though on CentOS 7, which we're building the AppImage on, libGLX is provided by a libglvnd-glx package, which seems to be a vendor-neutral dispatch library (https://github.com/NVIDIA/libglvnd). so perhaps we *should* ship that libGLX inside the AppImage.. |
| 17:30.27 | estan | (provided libglvnd supports "dispatching to itself" so to speak, i.e. dispatching to a libglvnd on the hold system, which in turn dispatches to the vendor GLX) |
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| 17:31.14 | ratrace | estan: I don't know AppImage particularly, very few people are using that, but containerized packaging in general must contain all the libs and files that's needed for the application. in some cases you can bind-mount or use overlay from a run time or host, but... that's advanced systems like flatpak or snaps that do that. |
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| 17:33.10 | glow8 | I can't seem to get a redirect through a nat working. I have a debian machine acting as a router, and a machine behind a private network (all in VMs). The first machine can connect to the internet, but the second can't. Curiously, the iptables logs show IN=enp0s8 OUT=enp0s3, where enp0s8 is the private network and enp0s3 is the nat. The thing is that I don't get an IN=enp0s3 with the returned |
| 17:33.12 | glow8 | data... Any idea? |
| 17:33.39 | glow8 | (I want the second machine to be able to connect to internet through the router) |
| 17:35.10 | glow8 | The second machine's gateway is the router, and the router is configured with iptables to send the packets back... |
| 17:35.48 | estan | ratrace: yea. we may look at snap/flatpak at some point. for now, AppImage has served us quite well for a number of years. it is not fully containerized, since some parts are assumed available on the host system (e.g. FUSE), and some parts are ill-advised to ship inside the AppImage, like the gfx card vendor's GL implementation. |
| 17:37.16 | estan | (in honesty, we have very few linux users i think, so the AppImage is probably not seeing to much use. we do use it internally though, since it's convenient to just give a file to someone and ask them to test it) |
| 17:38.50 | ratrace | estan: maybe you're talking about kernel features (fuse), and not host-side libraries? |
| 17:39.59 | estan | fuse has a user-space component, and that needs to be installed for AppImages to work (they're auto-mounting ISO file systems i think, mounted by the AppImage preamble using calls to FUSE). |
| 17:40.40 | estan | i didn't know that https://github.com/NVIDIA/libglvnd#architecture is how it seems to work nowadays, with libglvnd dispatching to the vendor GLX library. |
| 17:41.23 | estan | but i think for this problem with libGLX, i think we'll just stop supporting the AppImage on jessie-era distros instead. it's EOL in june after all. |
| 17:41.30 | ratrace | estan: well that was my point. containerized applications need to carry ALL the userland software they need, OR you bind-mount paths from the host/overlay/runtime |
| 17:42.21 | estan | right, i just meant to say that AppImage as a technology is not containerized in that sense. it has dependencies on the host system. |
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| 17:51.44 | inerkick | Hi |
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| 17:52.14 | inerkick | I am having trouble with my Debian 9. It constantly says Diskspace is not enough |
| 17:52.27 | inerkick | i moved the files to other drives but still it keep showing up |
| 17:52.30 | inerkick | is there any reason |
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| 17:53.24 | jmcnaught | inerkick: what does 'df -h' say? You can share it with us on https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 17:54.43 | inerkick | https://paste.debian.net/1148453/ here it is jmcnaught |
| 17:55.44 | ratrace | inerkick: what about df -i ? |
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| 17:56.36 | inerkick | https://paste.debian.net/1148454/ ratrace |
| 17:56.37 | ratrace | and according to your paste, I don't know what you moved, but root is chock full, only ~380MB free, that's probably the ext4 reserved space |
| 17:57.53 | inerkick | i have one puppylinux |
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| 17:58.26 | inerkick | few empty drivers where i moved my files from debian folders to the other so that i am able to work on deb log |
| 17:58.42 | ratrace | inerkick: you could have bigmadbarkingdoglinux for all that matters, but your rootfs is full. besides, this is #debian and we can only support Debian |
| 17:59.27 | inerkick | yeah i want to keep using debian itself. i had puppy just to test once in a while when things dont work |
| 17:59.34 | ratrace | if your bigmadbarkingdog linux packages ncdu, use ncdu to find where the most of the disk space is |
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| 18:02.52 | inerkick | can you help me if i can remove puppy |
| 18:03.03 | inerkick | even i'm getting confused now |
| 18:05.20 | ratrace | inerkick: we can help you with any question you might have about using or installing Debian GNU/Linux, yes. |
| 18:05.47 | inerkick | do you think removing puppy linux might help? ratrace |
| 18:06.00 | inerkick | i can use puppy on usb anyway if really required |
| 18:06.16 | inerkick | but i need debian, because this is quite old laptop and can't use other distro |
| 18:06.29 | ratrace | so install debian? |
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| 18:07.26 | inerkick | i already have debian installed and have been using it isn't. I got this file system, i was thinking to remove pupply linux's partition https://postimg.cc/pptSM207 |
| 18:08.28 | inerkick | few times i got this issue of lack of storage disk notification. So when i rebooted i couldn't login into debian, so i have to get into puppy and than move few important files to different drives |
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| 18:08.43 | ratrace | that's one mess of a partition layout |
| 18:08.53 | inerkick | yup. I agree |
| 18:09.12 | inerkick | so only i got confused |
| 18:09.20 | ratrace | you obviously need more disk for your use case. even if you put debian there, you'd have the same problem, assuming the same use case |
| 18:09.22 | inerkick | like where is my debian file :-D |
| 18:09.43 | inerkick | so do you recommend to freshly install debian? |
| 18:09.53 | ratrace | inerkick: but again, you can use ncdu to find where teh majority of files are. maybe your /var/log is full and needs cleanup? |
| 18:10.06 | inerkick | what is NCDU |
| 18:10.20 | ratrace | inerkick: I can't recommend anything to solve the "rootfs full" problem, other than "delete unused files" |
| 18:10.24 | ratrace | !info ncdu |
| 18:10.29 | dpkg | ncdu: (ncurses disk usage viewer), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.14.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 118 kB |
| 18:12.37 | miskatonic | may underprivileged users launch ncdu to detect a full rootfs? |
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| 18:13.41 | ratrace | ncdu doesn't "detect full rootfs", it merely displays what du -sh would, in a ncurses menu . so if it can't descend into a dir and run du there, then the numbers won't be accurate, but it'll complain about no permission |
| 18:15.05 | inerkick | i installed ncdu ratrace |
| 18:15.45 | ratrace | inerkick: so check your ~/ and /var/log , see how much is used there |
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| 18:17.23 | ratrace | if you used apt-get instead of apt, you'll probably have a lot of packages cached in /var/cache/apt/archives , you can clean those out with apt-get clean |
| 18:17.29 | cadburn2 | i converted my debian server to a VM but i didnt consider my /etc/fstab so it will boot into emergency mode with root locked, adding single to grub didnt work, any other methods? |
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| 18:19.01 | ratrace | cadburn2: root is mounted from initramfs and not fstab, so if you reconfigured grub, perhaps you can use init=/bin/bash to get to the root shell and fix whatevre needs fixing. also check that root= kernel command line of grub corresponds to proper rootfs device |
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| 18:20.02 | inerkick | ratrace, https://postimg.cc/RWn5vP7p |
| 18:21.51 | ratrace | inerkick: yeah, you can free quite a lot of gigabytes there. you can copy off or tarball+delete the top 4 biggest files there |
| 18:22.08 | ratrace | inerkick: then make sure you have `logrotate` installed and set up properly. |
| 18:22.10 | inerkick | i just did |
| 18:22.26 | ratrace | so that just gave you ~15GB |
| 18:25.42 | inerkick | thanks |
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| 18:25.50 | inerkick | will check what it is and how to use |
| 18:27.26 | ratrace | inerkick: on debian it's installed by default and in sync with default rsyslog config. maybe in your case it is too, but you never run your computer long enough for the logrotate cron to kick in |
| 18:28.24 | ratrace | then again on buster, it's handled by a systemd timer which afaik will handle such situations |
| 18:28.24 | inerkick | i'm not so aware of these terminologies |
| 18:28.29 | inerkick | just going through though |
| 18:28.44 | ratrace | inerkick: what I'm trying to say is, if that were debian, it wouldn't have happened. |
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| 18:29.09 | ratrace | that's why we only support Debian here, we have no idea what kind of changes are done by what kind of distros |
| 18:29.41 | ratrace | !based on |
| 18:29.41 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 18:33.01 | miskatonic | logrotate can be uninstalled from aptitude |
| 18:33.06 | inerkick | thank you |
| 18:33.24 | miskatonic | so it can sure happen on debian |
| 18:33.27 | inerkick | i will see what can be done with this trouble |
| 18:34.39 | ratrace | well yes if you deliberately remove it. |
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| 18:51.32 | cadburn2 | i'm in emergency mode, when i try to reboot it says failed to connect to bus: no such file or directory. how can i reboot? |
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| 18:52.36 | sney | just reset from the hypervisor |
| 18:53.31 | tds | probably worth remounting any fses ro and syncing before you do though |
| 18:53.43 | cadburn2 | i did ctr+d |
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| 19:07.09 | cadburn2 | my system hangs at started update utmp about system runlevel changes, lightdm faild to start as well as isc-dhcp-server. how can i fix it? |
| 19:08.25 | cadburn2 | i removed the xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 19:10.04 | petn-randall | cadburn2: Can you share a screenshot or the output in some other way? |
| 19:10.47 | miskatonic | screenshot if xorg is not running? how is that possible? |
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| 19:16.44 | petn-randall | miskatonic: Of the logs. |
| 19:17.21 | petn-randall | miskatonic: Boot the system without 'quiet' set in grub's kernel cmdline, and share those. |
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| 19:28.34 | b1ackandwh1te | im under buster, first time to try sid, i need a help to upgrade to bullseye. |
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| 19:31.05 | f8e4 | does debian by default have memtest boot option in grub? |
| 19:31.10 | f8e4 | i get lots of sigsev lately |
| 19:31.16 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 19:31.16 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 19:31.18 | annadane | b1ackandwh1te, ^ |
| 19:31.30 | b1ackandwh1te | :) |
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| 19:36.18 | b1ackandwh1te | #debian-next, only by invitation...:/ |
| 19:36.45 | karlpinc | !otfc |
| 19:36.53 | f8e4 | !otfc |
| 19:37.03 | annadane | b1ackandwh1te, reread the factoid |
| 19:37.03 | karlpinc | !oftc |
| 19:37.03 | EdePopede | !oftc |
| 19:37.04 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 19:37.16 | Hans-Martin | I'm trying to find out where my conffiles go when an own-built package is installed. I see that they appear as ...dpkg-new when the package is unpacked, and disappear when configured :-( |
| 19:37.29 | annadane | b1ackandwh1te, i suggest possibly not using sid for your level |
| 19:37.36 | annadane | but more bug reports always helps |
| 19:38.06 | b1ackandwh1te | ok |
| 19:38.16 | Hans-Martin | What's the magic word I need to tell dpkg --build to install the config files initially? Or am I trying complicated things before doing simple things? |
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| 20:19.21 | petn-randall | Hans-Martin: Sounds like you're doing something funky. Are you trying to do some package builds, or are you trying to restore default config? |
| 20:19.25 | petn-randall | !confmiss |
| 20:19.25 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 20:19.36 | petn-randall | Hans-Martin: Might be relevant. ^ |
| 20:20.51 | Hans-Martin | I built a package on my own (using dpkg --build), and when I include the nconfig files but don't list them as conffiles, they get installed. |
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| 20:21.10 | Hans-Martin | but this happens on the first install, not a reinstall |
| 20:21.51 | petn-randall | Hans-Martin: That's a funny way to build a package. You probably want to start with source packages instead. |
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| 20:25.38 | Hans-Martin | it's a Rust binary, probably building from source is not straightforward |
| 20:26.26 | Hans-Martin | and I thought that the whole high-level packaging utilities must have a way of telling dpkg-build "these are config files, install them"... |
| 20:27.05 | Hans-Martin | but I agree that it's probably not the way people typically approach packaging :-) |
| 20:27.34 | sney | go to #packaging on OFTC for advice from the actual experts (or #debian-mentors on same if this package will be submitted to debian) |
| 20:28.21 | Hans-Martin | the package will very likely not meet quality goals for a long time, so no submission to debian planned :-) But ty for the pointer! |
| 20:28.53 | sney | !nmg |
| 20:28.53 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 20:29.14 | Hans-Martin | it's just for transport and clean update from development to production machine |
| 20:29.18 | sney | debian packaging is powerful, but it can also be complicated, so it helps to read the manual rather than try to reverse engineer |
| 20:30.00 | petn-randall | Hans-Martin: TBH I don't know how those things are done in dpkg-deb. That's quite a low-level tool that I've never really touched in my packaging experience. |
| 20:30.27 | Hans-Martin | yeah I see. profiting daily from the magic and the time others invested, so I am morally obliged to invest some of my own time :-) |
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| 20:34.06 | Deihmos | how do you get rid of a systemctl service? do you just delete it from /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 20:34.45 | annadane | that seems like a leading question |
| 20:34.51 | annadane | which one is it? |
| 20:35.22 | sney | if you don't ever want a service to run on your system, remove the package that it came from |
| 20:35.31 | sney | for everything else, there's systemctl disable/remove |
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| 20:49.29 | b1ack0p | sup |
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| 21:49.48 | velix | Why do I need gpg to add a repository's key? |
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| 21:55.29 | ratrace | velix: because packages are normally signed. you should avoid repos that don't sign packages |
| 21:56.32 | velix | ratrace: Thanks, but this wasn't my question ;) I'm really annoyed by the need to download the huge gpg stack just to add a non-Debian, but *signed* repository. |
| 21:57.28 | ratrace | doesn't your debian already come with gpg? being that the debian repos are signed'n'all ? |
| 21:58.18 | velix | ratrace: I'm using slim nspawn and chroot containers (built upon minimal). gpg is a huge mess. |
| 21:58.25 | velix | huge in terms of packages and size :) |
| 21:58.54 | velix | Since Debian's keys are preinstalled, I wonder, how they passed the need of gpg. |
| 21:59.09 | velix | So the keys are checked and stored somewhere even without gpg. |
| 22:00.13 | ratrace | slim containers are typically built from outside, without package manager inside them |
| 22:00.34 | ratrace | if you wanna treat your container as a VM, with package management, then you have to accept the bloat |
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| 22:01.40 | velix | Thanks for your reply, but you don't want to try to help me with the problem at all, just give me your opinion derogatory. That's not helping. Well, I'll check with Reddit. |
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| 22:11.10 | tds | velix: how did you create the container's rootfs? |
| 22:11.17 | tds | oh, they're gone |
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| 23:17.57 | eblip | hey i tried to install zoom on buster ..and i got this error https://bpa.st/J23A |
| 23:18.01 | eblip | any ideas |
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| 23:19.16 | jmcnaught | eblip: that looks like a warning not an error. I don't know what it means, but the last line says that zoom-client was installed. |
| 23:19.44 | eblip | hmm ...i tried to start it using zoom at command line and it doesnt seem to be there |
| 23:20.09 | eblip | this is the first time i have used snap...do i have to go into environment or something |
| 23:20.19 | eblip | whereis zoom shows nothing |
| 23:20.32 | jmcnaught | eblip: I don't know how to use snap programs, did it add an icon to your menus? |
| 23:21.52 | ratrace | eblip: you have to add /snap/bin or whatsit to your $PATH or use absolute paths |
| 23:22.01 | eblip | no jmcnaught ..i use xmonad and i have dmenu but it is not in there |
| 23:22.07 | eblip | ah wow ..that makes sense |
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| 23:22.18 | eblip | yes i found /snap directory |
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| 23:22.37 | eblip | thanks ratrace and jmcnaught |
| 23:22.41 | ratrace | yw |
| 23:24.20 | ratrace | eblip: I wonder if that even works, given the warnings |
| 23:26.10 | eblip | well the path is up now ....gonna give it a try ..i havent got a webcam in though |
| 23:26.17 | eblip | maybe that has something to do with it. |
| 23:27.48 | ratrace | possibly, but I think it's more related to version of snapd used. seems like the snap requires interfaces not present in debian's version of snap. |
| 23:29.30 | eblip | ah ok ..ill look into it |
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| 23:29.55 | ratrace | eblip: you can inquire in #ubuntu, I think ogra is a regular there |
| 23:30.18 | ratrace | it's ubuntu software anyway, they're the upstream |
| 23:30.39 | eblip | hmm, i think i was banned in ubuntu about 4 years ago..and i must have wound them up as my name is probably still on the list |
| 23:31.03 | eblip | haha ..not banned |
| 23:31.10 | eblip | was a long time ago though |
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| 23:38.17 | annadane | ubuntu is african for "can't install debian" |
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| 23:40.31 | ratrace | fierce! :) |
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