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| 01:16.54 | gswan | Im having some trouble with my yubikey. Whenever i try to configure otp via ykman, i get "Error: Failed to write to the YubiKey. Make sure the device does not have restricted access. |
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| 01:32.25 | nickdaly | I put together a little script to make downloading, building, installing, and removing packages from source pretty fast: https://gitlab.com/nickdaly/source-package - Hopefully somebody here finds it useful. |
| 01:33.25 | gry | nickdaly: hi, thank you :) may I ask you what languages do you speak (apart from English), if any? |
| 01:34.28 | nickdaly | un poquito espanol. muy poquito. |
| 01:34.49 | gry | ok :) |
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| 01:39.49 | nickdaly | (estudio hace veinte(?) anos, no es en mi cabesa. necessito practicar duolingo... no tiempo) |
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| 02:01.40 | dabicho | Hello. I was trying to install texvc on a debian buster machine (as it is a dependency for an existing wikimedia installation) , and I found out it is missing from the repositories. I have tried to find out why, can anyone point me in the right direction? I have not found anything usefull with google. |
| 02:02.08 | annadane | ,v texvc |
| 02:02.09 | judd | Package: texvc on amd64 -- stretch: 2:3.0.0+git20160613-1 |
| 02:02.58 | annadane | judd, bug 916680 |
| 02:02.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916680 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mediawiki-math -- ROM; removed upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-12-17; last modified: 2019-01-15. |
| 02:03.06 | gry | I guess it was in stretch, but it isn't in buster |
| 02:03.24 | dabicho | Any idea why? |
| 02:03.32 | annadane | ^ that bug report is why |
| 02:04.28 | dabicho | Ah, thank you. |
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| 02:05.22 | annadane | i would guess if you need it as a dependency it can possibly be built from source |
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| 02:07.42 | dabicho | The other route is to upgrade the wikimedia installation, as I've read it doesn't require texvc anymore, as per the bug report. Will do that. Thank you |
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| 02:27.38 | patriick | Is there a simple easy way to watch an entire home directory for any changes? THe programs I see suggested online seem way overtop and more complicated than what I need. |
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| 02:31.29 | tds | patriick: you'd need to inotify the homedir and every directory in it recursively |
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| 03:11.34 | mijofa | Hey all, I've run into an issue with msmtp where it's not resolving aliases if I do "printf To:mijofa\nSubject:foo | sendmail -oi -t" but does if I do "printf Subject:foo | sendmail -oi -t mijofa" |
| 03:12.07 | mijofa | I've got msmtp & msmtp-mta version 1.8.3 on Debian Buster |
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| 03:12.32 | mijofa | And doing the same thing on another system with the same versions works correctly in both cases. Anyone got any ideas why it's not working in the former case? |
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| 03:25.54 | mijofa | Ah, looks like Office365 is the actual issue. They're processing the To header *and* the RCPT TO envelope |
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| 05:38.56 | mi11k1 | is there a simple way to search across local/ssh/samba mounts with gui? right now I just use mlocate through cli. Ive just been experimenting with catfish and angrysearch, but I run into hiccups because if I run it with sudo it wont read /run/user/1000 and if I dont use sudo it doesnt read all the other stuff. I usually have proper mounts in fstab and use NFS or something, but right now im just juggling and Im just doing temp |
| 05:38.56 | mi11k1 | mounts with pcmanfm , like I said, a few samba and a few ssh . |
| 05:39.21 | mi11k1 | if its stupid, just say its stupid, and ill go to sleep. |
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| 05:48.20 | mijofa | Catfish uses the mlocate database, so if mlocate is working for you, catfish should too. However I wouldn't've expected mlocate to work for ssh/samba mounts because updatedb doesn't generally index remotely stored data like that |
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| 07:50.34 | hisacro | I cannot get libinput to "disable touchpad when trying" http://ix.io/2o0g (xinput list-props & 40-libinput.conf) is there a way to debug the property |
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| 07:55.06 | hisacro | it worked before I switched upgraded bullseye repo (but the versions are same 0.29.0-1) |
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| 08:08.06 | efloid | hisacro: other than 'xinput set-prop <dev id> 329 1 I don't know what else you can try |
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| 08:10.26 | hisacro | efloid, well it's already enabled and that doesn't affect anything |
| 08:12.12 | efloid | hisacro: you can install libinput-tools and run /usr/libexec/libinput/libinput-list-devices to see if it gives more info |
| 08:12.42 | hisacro | I had that installed.. |
| 08:12.50 | efloid | another possibility is udevadm |
| 08:13.26 | hisacro | mind elobrating about udevadm... |
| 08:14.08 | efloid | actually that might not help. it would just give more basic hardware info |
| 08:14.51 | efloid | you could try, something like 'udevadm info -x -q property -n /dev/input/mouse0' |
| 08:15.24 | efloid | but it sounds like it could be a bug with the actual driver |
| 08:16.09 | efloid | i've had similar issue when trying to disable middle button scrolling, the setting was just ignored by libinput |
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| 08:18.28 | efloid | hisacro: also, do you have the xorg synaptics driver also installed? |
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| 08:23.47 | hisacro | yeah, also I noticed strange thing with libinput http://ix.io/2o0t |
| 08:23.58 | hisacro | you're probably right about the driver part |
| 08:27.07 | efloid | do you have the synaptics driver installed? if you you should uninstall it |
| 08:27.27 | efloid | 'dpkg -l |grep synaptics' |
| 08:27.28 | hisacro | tap-to-click is enabled and it's working but it shows disabled.. I'll remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and try again |
| 08:28.23 | efloid | hisacro: yes you have to restart xorg after removing it. you can just systemctl restart g|sd|xdm whatever display manager you're using |
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| 08:37.24 | hisacro | from the libinput log device quirk didn't load, I'll look into this.. thanks for the help |
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| 08:44.18 | sgo11 | hi, how can I let `apt search` show the repo information too? Currently, I always need to run two commands to search and check a package's repo. That is too much. what I do currently: `apt search packagename` and then `apt policy packagename`. |
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| 09:07.18 | efloid | sgo11: create a bash alias to do what you want |
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| 09:16.51 | sgo11 | efloid: no easy ways? a search will return a list of packages and then check each of them. kinda too much. A script can handle it, but rather complex. I am wondering if there is an existing argument for apt. thanks. |
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| 09:21.07 | efloid | sgo11: what output do you want to see? |
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| 09:23.00 | user217_ | what is differences between "cp -r" and "cp -R" ? |
| 09:24.47 | sgo11 | efloid: pakcage name and its repo url. for instance: "vim-gtk/stable,now 2:8.1.0875-5500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages" something like this. but from search result. search will return a list of matching packages instead of one. I just gave an example. |
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| 09:25.56 | sgo11 | user217_: you can just read the manpage. I think there is no difference. btw I am not an expert. |
| 09:27.49 | efloid | in python you could read each result of apt-cache search into a dictionary with the package name as the key, then run apt-cache policy on each key and append it to the entry |
| 09:28.47 | efloid | there is the python3-apt package |
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| 09:32.42 | sgo11 | efloid: ok, thanks a lot for the tip. So there is no easy way for this actually. All the workarounds seem complex to me though. |
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| 09:34.35 | efloid | i'm reading now about python-apt to see if it can do searches... |
| 09:36.26 | efloid | also: man AptPkg.3pm this is Perl |
| 09:37.08 | sgo11 | ^_^ ok. thank you very much. I will check those tools. |
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| 09:38.52 | Ulrar | Hi, what's return code 2 for apt-key ? I've been trying to add a key in various ways, but even downloading the file manually then running "apt-key add myfile" returns code 2. It's in a dockerfile so unfortunately I'm not getting the actual error message, just the return code |
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| 09:50.03 | efloid | sgo11: install python-apt-doc then read file:///usr/share/doc/python-apt-doc/html/library/apt.cache.html |
| 09:57.27 | efloid | sgo11: check this out: https://metacpan.org/pod/Linux::APT |
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| 10:16.22 | themill | Ulrar: errno 2 is "No such file or directory" and these codes are often (but not always) passed out as the exit code |
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| 10:21.37 | Lope | is there a way to decouple my host's volume from my QEMU-KVM guest's volume? I'm using virtual AC97 audio for my VM. When I turn the VM's volume up/down it actually changes the host's volume, I don't want that. |
| 10:24.14 | Lope | there's an additional problem with audacious. if I change the volume in audacious in a VM, it changes the volume of audacious as an app, also changes the VM's master volume, which also changes the host's master volume. it's crazy. |
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| 10:25.22 | Lope | It's so batshit crazy, even the virt-manager (app) volume on the host, gets synced with that ONE volume setting. |
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| 10:26.17 | Lope | So I change the volume in audacious, that controls audacious's app volume, the VM's master volume, virt-manager (app) volume on the host, and the host's master volume. 4 things that should all be independent? WTF? |
| 10:26.55 | Lope | does it change your volume on your computers too? is this "The Borg" of volume |
| 10:27.25 | Lope | Your volume control will be assimilated. Any resistance will be neutralized. Your uniqueness will be added to our own. |
| 10:27.48 | Ulrar | themill: The file is there though, no doubt on that. Could apt-key depend on some other files that wouldn't be there, maybe in /etc/apt ? |
| 10:29.49 | themill | Ulrar: btw the apt maintainers advise against using apt-key |
| 10:30.29 | Ulrar | Really, what's the "proper" way ? |
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| 10:36.13 | shtrb | I'm having the strangest issue with rdesktop in libvirt , I'm running rdesktop via ssh -X into a VM. then my keyboard is being hijacked by something (rdesktop? libvirt ? ) and on the host only sysrq and moving to tty work until I kill rdesktop, even in rdesktop my key press have no effect. both of host and guest are buster amd64. I have no problem like that running rdesktop from the host machine. does anyone have a clue ? |
| 10:36.54 | blurkis | would it be some what possible to share /home between fedora 32 and debian? Im running Fedora and want to try debian, but im not into running it in vm so im going to install it on a new partition.. |
| 10:37.54 | shtrb | blurkis, do not do that. some of the tools you are using will be of different versions (like akonadi ) and stuff will stop working. |
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| 11:07.45 | sgo11 | efloid: thanks a lot. just saw the reply. I will check the perl interface. |
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| 11:10.11 | efloid | sgo11: yes you can build a deb package for Linux::Apt. first install dh-make-perl then run 'dh-make-perl --build --cpan Linux::Apt then install the package it created |
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| 11:10.42 | sgo11 | efloid: ok, cool. thanks. :) |
| 11:10.44 | efloid | then you can use the sample code on the page :-) |
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| 11:25.45 | themill | Ulrar: the manual says that the proper way is simply to put the key in the correct directory |
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| 11:29.08 | jelly | can it be just a key, I thought it had to be a specific keyring container |
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| 12:03.21 | expon | jim: i actually found a bunch of my xruns were being caused by gvfs rescanning available disks, how's yours doing? |
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| 12:07.02 | jim | gvfs? |
| 12:07.15 | expon | gnome's filesystem |
| 12:07.27 | jim | oh ok, I'm running kde |
| 12:07.46 | expon | did you manage to sort your cpupower stuff out? |
| 12:08.25 | jim | well it's still not great... it might be good if the cpu just ran at one clock rate |
| 12:08.56 | efloid | sgo11: http://vpaste.net/aIneO |
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| 12:09.14 | expon | jim: you'll need exceptional cooling for that though |
| 12:09.37 | jim | oh ok |
| 12:09.48 | expon | well, intel's 'turbo' is well above the standard TDP |
| 12:09.52 | expon | and it's designed exactly to burst |
| 12:09.57 | expon | you could run it without that and leave it at max clock |
| 12:10.13 | expon | all depends on your tradeoff between buffer length and jitter tolerance :) |
| 12:10.18 | jim | but then the machine might get too hot |
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| 12:10.29 | expon | indeed |
| 12:12.31 | jim | when it jitters on the playback of something, it loses an accurate sense of when it's playing back, it assumes time is marching on, but when it jitters, the actual playback goes more and more towards the past |
| 12:13.07 | expon | i have an external clocksource for my audio, so i possibly don't experience the same problems |
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| 12:13.34 | jim | how do you get the clock source into the computer? |
| 12:13.56 | expon | it's a USB driven audio interface and i believe jack uses its hardware timer for referencing |
| 12:14.43 | jim | I wonder if I can do that with the tascam interface I have |
| 12:14.59 | jim | but, |
| 12:15.16 | jim | the audio is coming from some app |
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| 12:15.27 | jim | so I don't know how that would help |
| 12:15.55 | expon | yeah it's already difficult to debug and i am no expert on it so it's very hard to help |
| 12:16.08 | expon | keep at it though, i'm very happy with my setup and i haven't had to do any custom patched kernel etc |
| 12:16.32 | expon | i never notice any excessive delays and haven't had an xrun since i killed the process rescanning disks every 10 mins lol |
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| 12:16.55 | jim | ok, thanks... an irl thing is grabbing my attn... pausing for a few minutes |
| 12:17.10 | expon | shout if i can help |
| 12:19.42 | jim | ok thanks a lot |
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| 12:30.32 | velix | Can I figure out, what package installed file xy ? |
| 12:30.52 | Haohmaru | which file? |
| 12:31.19 | velix | Ah, easy: apt-file search /usr/sbin/runc |
| 12:31.21 | velix | Thanks! |
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| 12:41.13 | jim | or ask the bot, either in channel, or by /msg: |
| 12:41.33 | jim | judd, find /usr/sbin/runc |
| 12:41.37 | judd | Search for /usr/sbin/runc in buster/amd64: runc: usr/sbin/runc |
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| 12:43.53 | vlt | velix: Thereâs also `dpkg -S <file>`. |
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| 13:00.32 | velix | vlt: Ah, this works for installed files only? also very nice. |
| 13:00.42 | velix | sets auto "thanks mode". |
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| 13:04.26 | blurkis | so, the transition from fedora to debian went well. Had a little time to figure out lvm, thats all. Yeay for me! |
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| 13:05.30 | dvs | !prize blurkis |
| 13:05.30 | dpkg | gives blurkis a medal. |
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| 13:15.04 | uebera|| | Hi. Can someone explain the rationale behind "The current version must *and two or more previous versions of a file should be available* if support for by-hash is indicated with the Acquire-By-Hash in the Release file." to me? (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format#indices_acquisition_via_hashsums_.28by-hash.29) |
| 13:15.50 | uebera|| | I don't see a use case here⦠|
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| 13:27.06 | wikan | left /window right |
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| 13:28.49 | wikan | wut i typed O.o |
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| 13:37.20 | Akuw | hi, i have a symbolic link like this somefile.tx /home/applic/somefile.tx |
| 13:37.58 | Akuw | when i do "cat saomefile.tx" i got "Too many levels of symbolic links" |
| 13:39.14 | vlt | Akuw: Have a look at link and target with `ls -l` |
| 13:39.54 | Akuw | that is what that show |
| 13:40.21 | Akuw | hi, i have a symbolic link like this somefile.tx --> /home/applic/somefile.tx |
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| 13:41.06 | vlt | Akuw: What exactly is the output of `ls -l /home/applic/somefile.tx`? |
| 13:42.17 | InnovAnon-Inc | your file probably links to itself |
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| 13:42.48 | Maizum | hi all |
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| 13:44.56 | Maizum | since i install nvidia drivers my desktop environment doesnt start unless i press ctr+alt+f1 and actr+alt+f7 |
| 13:45.07 | Maizum | debian 10 + xfce4 |
| 13:45.28 | Maizum | any idea? |
| 13:45.51 | expon | what happens if you turn your monitor off and on before doing that? i ask because i've had a buggy monitor that crashed on switching certain modes, but would work fine from power on |
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| 13:49.01 | Akuw | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mar 22 2019 somefile.tx -> /home/applic/somefile.tx |
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| 13:50.17 | InnovAnon-Inc | ok... and the output of `pwd'? |
| 13:50.37 | expon | nah you already proved it InnovAnon-Inc :) |
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| 14:17.19 | Akuw | pwd --> /home/applic |
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| 14:18.46 | Akuw | how can i open .mdb file, i downloaded mdbtools but using mdb-tables i got "Files does not appear to be an Access database" |
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| 14:32.15 | joepublic | so what kind of file is it then? |
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| 14:38.45 | cybercrypto | Hey there, please advise and guide to proper channel, or ideas: Is it possible to use an external monitor (monitor that is running on X11-buster-host2) to be treated as multiple monitor of you first x11-buster-host1? (I am not talking only about X11 tunning). |
| 14:39.00 | greycat | ,info x2x |
| 14:39.01 | judd | Package x2x (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Link two X displays together, simulating a multiheaded display. Version: 1.30-7; Size: 29.8k; Installed: 74k; Homepage: https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x |
| 14:41.31 | odp | nvz: FYI, gdm3 was crashing. i didn't save any of the log entries though. kde never loaded fully until i removed my video card and used onboard video. i tried ubuntu and was getting full freezes, even mouse. ordered a new vid card but i'm wondering if it's drivers? |
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| 14:43.45 | cybercrypto | greycat: thanks, let me check docs of that, sounds promissing. |
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| 14:57.35 | tomreyn | uebera||: a system which has not run or not completed an apt cache refresh (apt update), thus has stale info on what's available. and another: user requesting a specific version to be installed. |
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| 15:18.19 | ZeNEX | Hello guys, logging into a server from 2011 and when updating I get errors trying to get package lists, says it can't find them. Also getting errors about packages not being "signed". It's Debian 6 and I want to upgrade to Debian 10. How can I get proper keys again and update everything without re-installing? |
| 15:18.31 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 15:18.31 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:19.28 | greycat | However, you may actually find it simpler to reinstall on Debian 10, than to perform 4 back-to-back upgrades. |
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| 15:20.01 | ZeNEX | I updated that sources list with "buster" |
| 15:20.02 | annadane | s/may/will |
| 15:20.16 | greycat | YOU CANNOT go straight from 6 to 10. |
| 15:20.24 | greycat | You have to go one version at a time. |
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| 15:20.53 | ZeNEX | Ah, got it. Btw, why is this only up to Debian 8? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 15:21.11 | greycat | Because only those versions are archived. Debian 9 is still supported. |
| 15:22.08 | greycat | in fact, I think jessie may have just changed status *today*... |
| 15:23.12 | greycat | Hmm, no, the jessie deb.debian.org mirror is still coughing up package lists at least. So no need to change wiki and bot yet. |
| 15:24.25 | greycat | !jessie-lts |
| 15:24.26 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 15:24.31 | greycat | OK, one more month. |
| 15:24.35 | uebera|| | tomreyn: Thanks; I eventually figured the first use case from the 'See Also' link in that document; but regarding the second--AFAIK, only old indices are kept/addressable by hash. This should not help w.r.t. "payload" (.[ud]deb, ...)? |
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| 15:32.28 | cybercrypto | greycat: I did not know about x2x software. Found it very useful and I will study it a bit more. But something I may have missed: I do not find in the docs how to move windows from x11-hosts using x2x. |
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| 15:35.08 | Jmabsd | Anyone here who prefers apt over aptitude? :ooo |
| 15:35.12 | Jmabsd | ok noone, that's what i thought :] |
| 15:35.34 | cybercrypto | Lets assume a scenario whwre host1 and host2 are on the same room, each one is running buster-x11 and each are connected to a single monitor. An xterm opened in host1, cannot be moved (draged) into host2. I did not find the docs on how to enable it. |
| 15:37.04 | cybercrypto | greycat: x2x is allowing me to fully control host 2 (assuming keyboard and mouse) via X11 shh tunning, but windows are attached to original X11 servers (which were they are first launched) |
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| 15:44.26 | greycat | Yes, x2x doesn't let you move a window (client) from one display to another. |
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| 15:47.16 | Neoon | The ca-certificates package contained an expired CA certificate that caused |
| 15:47.16 | Neoon | connectivity issues. This update removes the "AddTrust External Root" CA. |
| 15:47.17 | Neoon | FINALLY |
| 15:47.22 | Neoon | just to Debian few days |
| 15:47.24 | Neoon | to figure that |
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| 15:47.36 | cybercrypto | greycat: Ok, thats my original question: Do you or does anyone knows if that's possible? Please give guidance/proper channel. |
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| 15:53.20 | Jmabsd | apt over aptitude anyone? :) |
| 15:53.20 | apt | turns aptitude anyone? :) over and over until he/she gets dizzy |
| 15:55.59 | InnovAnon-Inc | apt-fast with apt backend here |
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| 15:58.00 | Jmabsd | Can you search for packages using "apt"? |
| 15:58.26 | Jmabsd | "apt-*" and "apt" are they distinct too? |
| 15:58.31 | sney | yes |
| 15:58.51 | sney | !refcard |
| 15:58.51 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 15:59.30 | greycat | "apt search" and "apt-cache search" and many others |
| 16:01.20 | sney | apt list, too |
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| 16:11.14 | BalooRJ | I'm sure I've asked this before but trying to figure this out again....how does one go about adding a LibreOffice odt document as a template when right-clicking to "Create Document" in XFCE? |
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| 16:14.31 | tomreyn | uebera||: hmm, not sure i understand. i would think thatif an apt repository provides hashes, then apt (clients) will download those, and be able to fullfill a user request for a given version by matching that version against a (versioned) package hash, and then request this hash. but that's a theory, i'm not sure how it works in practice. |
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| 16:19.31 | gry | baloorj it is under ~/Templates, see http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac254/ramack/Templates02.png |
| 16:20.48 | BalooRJ | gry: yes |
| 16:20.52 | BalooRJ | Thank you very much |
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| 16:28.16 | cranberry | Hi, wasn't sure what I should Google for, I have a headless Debian server, currently always connecting via SSH. I now want to install a VNC server to a minimal window manager, but I want this window manager to only be present for VNC, it should not be shown when directly at the machine. Could someone point me in the right direction? I feared if I just go ahead and install fvwm it would "take over" and replace the console prompt by default |
| 16:28.43 | sadtaco | I keep getting '-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device' and similar errors despite having many gb free. I'm having trouble figuring out why when I google it. |
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| 16:30.42 | sadtaco | ls -l -h / only shows 31M in tmp |
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| 16:34.05 | greycat | ls -l does not show you the remaining disk space. df shows you that. df /tmp |
| 16:34.30 | gry | baloorj you are welcome |
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| 16:51.48 | Xatenev | hey people |
| 16:52.06 | Xatenev | I am trying to connect to a wifi but my interface wlan0 does not seem to start, it keeps saying DOWN |
| 16:52.08 | Xatenev | i used wpa_supplicant |
| 16:52.34 | Xatenev | also tried to use wpa_cli |
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| 16:52.56 | Xatenev | nothing seems to work though :( |
| 16:53.32 | Akuw | is there a command "svcstat" to see services in debian 8 ? |
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| 16:56.35 | EdePopede | ,file bin/svcstat |
| 16:56.39 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:56.58 | greycat | if you're trying to do daemontools, that program is called svstat |
| 16:57.06 | greycat | if it's not daemontools, then ignore me |
| 16:57.16 | Brigo | Xatenev, without graphic environment? |
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| 17:23.28 | cranberry | Hi, is there some overview over the different vnc server options for Debian and their differences ? |
| 17:24.00 | gry | also see x2goserver, cranberry |
| 17:25.22 | cranberry | gry, Thanks, it does not require a local video output, does it ? |
| 17:25.27 | mesaboogie | also consider nomachine, tightvnc and remmina, cranberry |
| 17:25.27 | Xatenev | Brigo: yea without graphic environment, It works now |
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| 17:25.37 | Xatenev | Brigo: I don't know what the problem was, I rebooted and suddenly everything worked |
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| 17:26.23 | cranberry | mesaboogie, can I tie nomachine to a sepearte fvwm (or similar leightweight window manager) session ? |
| 17:26.45 | brutser | i installed on all my debian systems ntfs-3g driver, but i don't want to use it anymore (basically because it's a bad driver) - my question is, will apt purge totally remove any remnants of the driver and can i be 100% sure after i will use the native driver from the kernel? (in read-only mode) |
| 17:27.13 | greycat | cranberry: VNC sessions will have different DISPLAY values, like :1 :2 etc. |
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| 17:28.07 | InnovAnon-Inc | @brutser, I'd reckon that it would. do some `find' and `grep' afterward just to be sure |
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| 17:28.41 | Brigo | Xatenev, good for you. |
| 17:28.42 | cranberry | greycat, Thanks, but I thought nomachine was using NX and not VNC, so that's why I was asking |
| 17:28.45 | mesaboogie | cranberry: nomachine does not use the vmc protocol, it uses it's native NX technology. However, it sure makes life easy for remote desktops. I try to use nomachine everywhere possible. |
| 17:28.53 | mesaboogie | vnc* |
| 17:29.13 | brutser | InnovAnon-Inc: yes i suppose, the driver corrupted most likely some partitions and i just want to be sure it's gone, i even contemplate re-installing debian on all systems to be 100% ssure :) |
| 17:29.54 | cranberry | mesaboogie, Thanks, and I can install it on a headless server and tie a window manager of my choice to its sessions ? |
| 17:30.00 | brutser | but i guess that is why there is apt purge to begin with, so we can remove packages, just i come from windows (long time ago) and know what can be left on a system even when uninstalling |
| 17:30.41 | mesaboogie | cranberry: I've never used nomachine headless. |
| 17:32.04 | njka- | sup mesaboogie :) |
| 17:32.33 | mesaboogie | njka-: hello =) |
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| 18:30.41 | brutser | by default i always installed "exfat-fuse exfat-utils ntfs-3g" but i recently experienced and also i was told by others that ntfs-3g driver is crap and that i should not use it for writing and trust on the built-in kernel support to read only ntfs - first of all, is that true? and second, what about exfat-fuse? |
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| 19:18.47 | lawr3nce | anyone could help me? |
| 19:18.52 | lawr3nce | my touchpad doesn't work under debian |
| 19:18.57 | lawr3nce | https://pastebin.com/raw/dz2ab7DN -> dmesg |
| 19:19.13 | lawr3nce | https://pastebin.com/9F8i4Tet -> xorg logfile |
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| 19:20.00 | a90c | hi |
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| 19:21.36 | karlpinc | lawr3nce: Anything in /var/log/syslog (perhaps at boot) or demsg that indicate missing firmware? |
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| 19:22.14 | lawr3nce | karlpinc, yes |
| 19:22.45 | lawr3nce | kernel: [ 11.860194] elan_i2c: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel |
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| 19:23.48 | lawr3nce | I have same problem under Windows... I hope it's not broken |
| 19:23.52 | lawr3nce | I mean the touchpad |
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| 19:24.44 | puppy | how do you start a server as a non-privileged user? I have a user that I've removed as much access as possible from and I want to run a program as that user. What's the secure way of doing that? |
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| 19:25.25 | greycat | Set up a systemd unit that runs the service as the desired user. |
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| 19:25.53 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
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| 19:26.36 | puppy | I don't want to make a systemd unit for a minecraft server though |
| 19:26.37 | karlpinc | lawr3nce: I'm unclear on the exact meaning of that message but I don't believe it has to do with missing firmware. |
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| 19:30.35 | rany | lawr3nce, if this also happens on Windows, it could be a hardware problem |
| 19:30.50 | rany | as a finally resort, you could try installing the backports kernel |
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| 19:32.12 | rany | lawr3nce, also, the log file you've given us there might be something off about the regulator and dummy lines |
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| 19:33.08 | jmcnaught | puppy: do you want to start the server manually every time instead? |
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| 19:34.17 | greycat | I'm assuming the objection is "I don't know systemd, so instead of spending 5 minutes to learn it and set it up correctly, I'd rather spend 2 hours hacking something horrible together using the sticks and stones I'm familiar with". |
| 19:35.27 | rany | systemd is much easier to deal with than the init systems on the BSDs |
| 19:35.35 | rany | i hate making shell scripts for every freaking service |
| 19:36.37 | puppy | jmcnaught: yes. Wanna start it with different args and have full access to its tty |
| 19:37.32 | puppy | greycat: I want the thing isolated to a directory with no system-wide configuration files or anything like that |
| 19:38.12 | puppy | sometimes you just wanna start php-fpm or "nodejs something.js" for example, without a systemd unit file for very good reasons |
| 19:38.23 | puppy | and sometimes you wanna do that as a user with less privileges |
| 19:39.07 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:41.49 | jmcnaught | puppy: systemd is still the best way to start a service. There are directives User= and Group= to configure who the service runs as. If you want the server running on a tty check out StandardInput= and StandardOutput= (both documented in systemd.exec(5)). |
| 19:42.50 | greycat | If you want it running inside a terminal for future interaction, I'd suggest running it inside tmux/screen. |
| 19:43.04 | puppy | :| |
| 19:43.15 | greycat | I'm not sure how you run a service inside screen run from systemd, though -- never had a reason to learn it. |
| 19:43.51 | a90c | anyone familiar cloud computing here? im just curious about something |
| 19:44.04 | greycat | anyway, that's not what they said they wanted pre-/ignore... they just said "I reject any solution that writes to /etc because reasons". |
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| 19:46.14 | rany | If you're still new to tmux/screen I suggest you try out byobu. It's a lightweight frontend to tmux with a great video tutorial. |
| 19:46.21 | jmcnaught | 'loginctl enable-linger <user>' and then use that user's systemd user manager (systemctl --user) instead. |
| 19:46.32 | rany | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NawuGmcvKus |
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| 19:47.48 | greycat | jmcnaught: I wonder how that meshes with "I have a user that I've removed as much access as possible from", though. The whole thing is just batty as hell. Like, does the user have the ability to log in? Why are you using an interactive login user to run a daemon? Just so... ugh! |
| 19:49.14 | greycat | Create a new user account, don't give it a password, create the service that runs as the new user, done. |
| 19:50.37 | jmcnaught | Agreed, and keep all system configuration where it belongs in /etc/. I don't know anything about Minecraft server but I would try to find a way to manage it without requiring user interaction with the server process. |
| 19:51.58 | rany | jmcnaught, use `useradd --system usernamehere` |
| 19:53.08 | jmcnaught | rany: I think you mean "adduser --system <user>" :) |
| 19:53.36 | rany | it does the same thing |
| 19:55.01 | rany | kinda, i think adduser is more advanced and is more user friendly |
| 19:55.22 | greycat | adduser is the friendlier one, yes |
| 19:56.21 | lawr3nce | rany: is there any way to know if it's an hardware problem? how did I break it? wth... |
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| 19:57.00 | rany | lawr3nce, is it an old machine? I think you said you tried on Windows and it didn't work |
| 19:57.16 | lawr3nce | fx553vd laptop |
| 19:57.19 | lawr3nce | it's a very new machine |
| 19:57.34 | rany | then try to install backports kernel. https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 19:58.21 | lawr3nce | I want to install backports without replacing this kernel |
| 19:58.25 | lawr3nce | is it possible? |
| 19:58.50 | rany | backports is a repository with newer software from the newer debian versions |
| 19:59.01 | rany | you won't lose any files by installing the backports kernel |
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| 19:59.20 | annadane | it will keep the old kernel, debian keeps at least 2 |
| 19:59.42 | rany | oh right, you could always switch in the Grub boot menu |
| 19:59.49 | annadane | also it *offers* to remove older kernels, via apt autoremove, if you don't want that then apt-mark hold <kernel package name> |
| 20:00.04 | rany | annadane, but i have a feeling they think they will have to reinstall the whole thing |
| 20:00.28 | rany | whole thing being the entire debian system |
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| 20:01.04 | lawr3nce | basically I have to reinstall everything? |
| 20:01.17 | rany | NO |
| 20:01.50 | lawr3nce | sudo apt-get -t buster-backports install "linux" |
| 20:01.53 | lawr3nce | am I right? |
| 20:01.59 | rany | no |
| 20:02.00 | lawr3nce | also i'm using debian jesse |
| 20:02.07 | jaami | hi, how do i tell debian to go get display drivers again because lcd is cganged? |
| 20:02.11 | rany | lawr3nce, are you trolling? |
| 20:02.24 | lawr3nce | rany: why do you think that? |
| 20:02.25 | greycat | !buster-backports |
| 20:02.25 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 20:02.32 | greycat | Read the Instructions ^^ |
| 20:03.00 | lawr3nce | I'm using debian bullseye* |
| 20:03.02 | lawr3nce | not jesse, lmao |
| 20:03.09 | greycat | ... |
| 20:03.19 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:03.22 | annadane | there are no backports for bullseye |
| 20:03.26 | mesaboogie | =) |
| 20:03.26 | annadane | that is debian testing |
| 20:03.32 | greycat | testing is where backports *come from* |
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| 20:04.03 | rany | yuck matrix.org |
| 20:04.04 | lawr3nce | do you suggest me another alternative? |
| 20:04.11 | lawr3nce | to what rany suggested me to do... |
| 20:04.22 | lawr3nce | I want to know if it's an hw problem |
| 20:04.29 | rany | it's a hw problem then |
| 20:04.37 | rany | you said it didn't work on Windows too |
| 20:05.10 | lawr3nce | but how could that have happened? shit... |
| 20:07.31 | annadane | !debian next |
| 20:07.37 | annadane | !debian0next |
| 20:07.39 | annadane | ffs |
| 20:07.42 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 20:07.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 20:07.49 | annadane | lawr3nce, for your trackpad issues, ask there |
| 20:07.52 | jaami | i changed monitor with high resolution but debian does not show max resolution supported by display. do i need drivers update? |
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| 20:09.28 | lawr3nce | annadane, thx |
| 20:09.37 | lawr3nce | you're very helpful |
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| 20:17.21 | jaami | hi, how do i tell debian to reload drivers for new display screen? |
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| 20:18.32 | greycat | 1) Identify the hardware (lspci -nn). 2) See whether all necessary firmware is installed. 3) See whether you want to consider a proprietary driver (usually nvidia). |
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| 20:26.30 | jaami | look like display drivers are installed already. but monitor was changed recently. new supported resolution in not displayed in the selection list of all supported resolutions. does it mean that drivers will be reinstalled if display is changed? |
| 20:27.42 | jaami | i did a restart but that did not work |
| 20:28.12 | sney | monitors don't affect drivers. what gpu is it? |
| 20:28.24 | jmcnaught | jaami: if you run (as root) 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' do you get error messages about missing firmwares? |
| 20:28.31 | greycat | If you didn't change the graphics card, it sounds like that resolution just *isn't supported* for some reason that I will probably not understand. Like, maybe you're *not* actually using the correct driver for your hardware due to missing firmware, and it's falling back to VESA or ...? |
| 20:28.52 | greycat | and it just happened to work on the older monitor because it was really small...? |
| 20:29.19 | greycat | 1) Identify the hardware (lspci -nn). 2) See whether all necessary firmware is installed. 3) See whether you want to consider a proprietary driver (usually nvidia). |
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| 20:40.01 | tomreyn | it could also be that the new monitor is connected differently than the old one, e.g. displayport vs. hdmi vs dvi, and that this makes a difference |
| 20:40.41 | tomreyn | jaami: ^ |
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| 20:41.52 | jaami | sorry i was looking for pastebin because debian paste is not available. please check this https://mypastebin.com/kcqJgH7w |
| 20:42.13 | Ulrar | jelly: It does have to be a container, a key doesn't work |
| 20:42.25 | Ulrar | which is probably why everyone is still using apt-key |
| 20:43.55 | jaami | output of dmesg | grep -i firmware is here https://mypastebin.com/kcqJgH7w |
| 20:44.11 | jaami | the port is same VGA |
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| 20:46.32 | jaami | i guess greycat is right "If you didn't change the graphics card, it sounds like that resolution just *isn't supported*" |
| 20:48.08 | greycat | because...? |
| 20:48.38 | jaami | i did not change the graphic card |
| 20:48.52 | jaami | i mean, the card is same |
| 20:48.54 | greycat | lspci -nn # look for the video chipset |
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| 20:50.17 | jaami | https://mypastebin.com/gyUjzyz |
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| 20:53.22 | greycat | does this thing *not* have a raw link...? |
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| 20:54.42 | jaami | what is a raw link? |
| 20:54.54 | greycat | as I squint as the horrible purple on black text of lynx and wonder if I will ever not have a headache again... it *looks* like you might only have one video chipset, i.e. not an Optimus |
| 20:54.59 | greycat | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09) |
| 20:55.23 | greycat | A normal pastebin has a link that you can click to get the text/plain content insetad of some fancy rendered HTML rubbish. |
| 20:55.50 | greycat | e.g. with paste.debian.net you put /plain/ in the middle of it and voila, you can curl the URL and see GLORIOUS TEXT |
| 20:55.53 | jaami | oh i am sorry |
| 20:57.21 | greycat | ,pciid 8086:0166 |
| 20:57.22 | judd | [8086:0166] is '3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0166 |
| 20:57.44 | r3 | ooh, that's damn handy |
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| 20:58.15 | greycat | If it works. |
| 20:58.49 | greycat | I googled your chipset and found one report of a Debian install on a laptop with that chipset, at https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/LatitudeE5530/buster |
| 20:59.02 | greycat | This user switched to the "intel" driver for some reason. They didn't say why. |
| 21:00.33 | jaami | i am not allowed to browse that link |
| 21:00.45 | jaami | thw wiki link |
| 21:00.46 | greycat | !wiki 403 |
| 21:00.49 | greycat | !wiki403 |
| 21:00.49 | dpkg | If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/FAQ>. |
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| 21:01.26 | jaami | <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p> |
| 21:02.07 | r3 | IIRC I had a Dell Inspiron 570 that I had to include some non-free firmware for buster |
| 21:02.07 | jaami | but my ip adrees is not static |
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| 21:04.00 | jaami | i have non free firmware installed |
| 21:05.03 | greycat | your Intel chipset might be old enough that it doesn't need firmware; I'm not certain |
| 21:05.08 | jaami | strange: not just wiki debian, all other debian links are blocked |
| 21:05.29 | greycat | sounds like the problem is on your end |
| 21:05.34 | jaami | oh, bad news |
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| 21:07.19 | r3 | happens sometime if you're using a VPN, jaami |
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| 21:08.18 | jaami | i used vpn many times in past |
| 21:08.36 | greycat | this sounds more like a proxy/firewall thing to me |
| 21:08.49 | greycat | maybe DNS |
| 21:09.08 | jaami | oh yes, must be dns. |
| 21:09.17 | greycat | what does www.debian.org resolve to? |
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| 21:11.40 | jaami | 149.20.4.15) |
| 21:12.11 | greycat | that's correct (one of the two A records, anyway)... |
| 21:12.17 | jaami | DNS is ok. 192.168.10.1 |
| 21:12.34 | greycat | for me it's 149.20.4.15 149.20.4.15 2603:400a:ffff:bb8::801f:3e 2001:4f8:1:c::15 |
| 21:13.00 | greycat | err, crap, pasted one of them twice... second one is 128.31.0.62 |
| 21:13.19 | greycat | anyway, doesn't sound like DNS is totally broken... could still be a misconfigured transparent HTTP proxy |
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| 21:13.42 | RadoS | Moin. If a touchpad has 4 buttons and the lower emulate middle mouse ok but the upper don't, is this an X11 issue or what's responsible for button 2 emulation? |
| 21:14.05 | jaami | hmm, let me try with different DNS |
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| 21:18.36 | Katana_Steel | anyone tried using the Debian live image from a USB to install a qemu-kvm VM using USB host passthrough? |
| 21:19.44 | Katana_Steel | the VM's main storage was a virtio device on /dev/vda and the USB drive showed up as /dev/sda |
| 21:20.23 | Katana_Steel | the installer installed grub on the USB and not the virtio drive :( |
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| 21:22.04 | Katana_Steel | I was testing my grub iso loopback conf, I'd want to have multiple live iso images on the USB drive that I can just pick an choose DE on system boot |
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| 21:29.39 | jim | Katana_Steel, a live image is more than a gig... a netinstall image is usually less than half g |
| 21:29.56 | InnovAnon-Inc | nice. I've never gotten that to work. I just put puppy linux somewhere on the disk in case I have any sort of desparate situation. it's really good at finding itself and, since it ramboots by default, I can fix the same disk from which it boots. |
| 21:30.39 | Katana_Steel | jim thus why a 32G USB drive should be able to hold quite a few different live images |
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| 21:43.15 | RadoS | Hmm, my touchpad buttons emulation seems X11 related: after I applied the popular adjustment via 'InputClass ... MatchIsPointer "on" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" Option "MiddleEmulation" "true"' both buttons emulate middle button 2 fine. |
| 21:43.41 | RadoS | I just wonder why this doesn't work "out of the box" the same for both rows. |
| 21:46.44 | sney | a 4-button touchpad sounds slightly nonstandard |
| 21:46.57 | sney | X11 handling of mouse buttons has always been a little iffy, also |
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| 21:50.13 | RadoS | sney, nonstandard these days. ;-) |
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| 21:50.46 | RadoS | has ~10 old NBs |
| 21:51.04 | RadoS | ... o O ( +y +. ) |
| 21:51.41 | sney | and I've been in tech for about 2 decades and I can't remember the last time I saw a laptop with more than 3. but sure, "these days" |
| 21:51.52 | RadoS | sney, I mean, "xev" produces the same results for both rows except for the emulation. |
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