| 00:00.38 | sney | if you want to hide boot messages I think the most common way to do that is to use plymouth. |
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| 00:01.51 | lawr3nce | sney, I think outputting a bunch of messages may slow down boot... |
| 00:02.42 | sney | it definitely doesn't. but if it makes you feel better not to see them, see my suggestions above |
| 00:04.08 | lawr3nce | sney, let me disagree: when I've used archlinux, silent boot speeded up my bot. |
| 00:04.10 | lawr3nce | boot* |
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| 00:05.41 | sney | you are free to be as wrong as you want, lol. it takes negligible resources to print a string to the screen. there are much better places to look for speeding up boot. |
| 00:06.11 | sney | but anyway, you already have all of my suggestions, if you get stuck actually doing something, feel free to ask again. |
| 00:07.18 | lawr3nce | sney, I have no idea of what happened then (how did it look 10x faster?), but I trust you... |
| 00:07.28 | lawr3nce | regarding other places to look for speeding up boot? what do you mean? |
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| 00:08.52 | sney | with the understanding that modern linux boots really quickly anyway, you can still slim things down by using a targeted initrd and disabling services that you don't need. |
| 00:09.16 | sney | you can also look at the output of 'systemd-analyze' to see what part of your boot/init process is taking the longest. |
| 00:09.40 | sney | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-analyze.html |
| 00:10.32 | sney | and if you don't already have one, upgrading to a SSD for your OS disk makes a huge difference as well. |
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| 00:13.49 | lawr3nce | sney, to make silent-boot I'd just have to install plymouth and update-grub, right? |
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| 00:15.00 | sney | I don't know offhand, because I prefer to know what my computer is doing during startup. but probably: install plymouth, check settings and modify as necessary, then update-grub, is my guess |
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| 00:16.21 | coruja | a 'quiet' put at the end of the grub boot line will do too |
| 00:17.14 | sney | quiet is the default |
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| 00:17.25 | coruja | oh, it is? |
| 00:17.34 | coruja | then nvm |
| 00:18.12 | oxek | do debian maintainers get advance notice that a firefox update will be released, or do they find out at the same time as general users? |
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| 00:19.01 | Cicero | Hello all, I'd like to take ownership of an orphaned package but first must get verified as a maintaner |
| 00:19.26 | sney | Cicero: best to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:20.03 | sney | oxek: iirc, at least one of the firefox maintainers in debian is a mozilla employee, so they probably find out somewhat early. |
| 00:20.18 | Cicero | reads the documentation |
| 00:20.32 | sney | oxek: for most software though, it's at the same time as general users, mainly through a utility called uscan |
| 00:21.07 | oxek | sney: I ask because I still don't understand the debian update process regarding firefox. I can manually download firefox-esr from mozilla that contains security fixes, but I need to wait a few days for debian to release the same security fixes. |
| 00:22.01 | oxek | so I thought there would be some coordinated release plan, where mozilla lets debian know in advance of security issues, and updates are released at the same time |
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| 00:23.30 | sney | oxek: why don't you email the maintainer and ask? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr |
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| 00:27.02 | Cicero | sorry, I realize I just asked this... been awhile since I used irc. where should I go to for mentor re picking up an orphaned package? |
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| 00:28.08 | jmcnaught | Cicero: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:28.18 | Cicero | jmcnaught: Much thanks, again |
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| 00:31.41 | norayr | sney i have a problem. may be because this old stretch has 32bit libraries, didn't figure out yet. |
| 00:32.20 | norayr | it is my fathers laptop and it is in remote location, i don't think i can easily access it. so i hope to have it bootable anyway. |
| 00:32.27 | sney | 32-bit is still fully supported. what's the problem? |
| 00:32.42 | norayr | ok wait, i am creating a file to pastebin. |
| 00:32.49 | norayr | it has no wgetpaste apparently. |
| 00:32.54 | sney | !termbin |
| 00:32.54 | dpkg | you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 00:33.07 | norayr | oh. |
| 00:34.03 | norayr | https://termbin.com/fnv0 |
| 00:34.39 | norayr | this is not exactly the output of dist-upgrade, but when it failed with the same error, i run it again. |
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| 00:35.14 | norayr | may be i had to do update, and then only dist-upgrade. |
| 00:35.17 | norayr | i mean upgrade. |
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| 00:35.57 | sney | the standard procedure is update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, in that order |
| 00:36.04 | sney | is this with apt or apt-get? |
| 00:36.16 | norayr | apt-get |
| 00:36.25 | sney | try with apt |
| 00:36.31 | norayr | i did not know they are different, btw. i thought one is the alias to the other. |
| 00:37.10 | norayr | no, doesnt help. i skipped upgarde, that is the reason. |
| 00:37.13 | norayr | hmmm. |
| 00:37.16 | lawr3nce | sney, I have no idea of what to configure with plymouth |
| 00:37.31 | sney | lawr3nce: I told you, I don't either. try reading the manual |
| 00:38.09 | sney | norayr: sometimes it helps to remove some stuck packages before proceeding with the upgrade. also, if you have aptitude on that system, 'aptitude full-upgrade' may figure out a solution |
| 00:38.30 | norayr | let me try. |
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| 00:38.43 | norayr | i am trying apt -f upgrade now. if it fails, will try that. |
| 00:39.02 | norayr | yes, fails. |
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| 00:40.24 | lawr3nce | does anyone know how to use plymouth to hide all error/warning kernel messages? |
| 00:40.48 | lawr3nce | I want just to see "/dev/sdb2 n blocks cleaned, all clean." |
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| 00:48.02 | coruja | lawr3nce, may we see your /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 00:48.30 | coruja | !paste |
| 00:48.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:49.50 | sney | paste.debian.net is down but there are other options like termbin etc |
| 00:53.20 | lawr3nce | coruja, https://pastebin.com/MF2cpTQr |
| 00:54.54 | coruja | lawr3nce, so no 'quiet' at the end of the menuentries' linux line |
| 00:55.56 | lawr3nce | so if I remove kernel parameter `quiet` will it stop it from printing those kernel messages? |
| 00:56.33 | coruja | lawr3nce, set in /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" |
| 00:56.47 | coruja | if you add it, it'll stop |
| 00:57.50 | coruja | after editing /etc/default/grub, mind running update-grub |
| 00:58.56 | lawr3nce | coruja, it's already here |
| 00:59.06 | lawr3nce | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet ..." |
| 00:59.48 | coruja | hm, ok |
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| 00:59.53 | flayer | hmm my log files of may/june are really big |
| 01:00.05 | flayer | that can't be good |
| 01:00.51 | lawr3nce | coruja, do you have any other suggestion? |
| 01:01.25 | coruja | lawr3nce, i just saw, but this entry doesn't show up in all entries in your grub.cfg |
| 01:01.58 | coruja | (a lot of entries there btw) |
| 01:02.51 | lawr3nce | maybe that'd be true, but I'm pretty sure I'm already running that kernel parameter |
| 01:02.55 | lawr3nce | with that* |
| 01:03.41 | coruja | to make it more readable, can you paste 'grep vmlinuz /boot/grub/grub.cfg' please? |
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| 01:05.23 | jmcnaught | lawr3nce: take a look at the description of systemd.show_status kernel command line argument in "man systemd" in particular its relation to 'quiet'. |
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| 01:15.45 | lawr3nce | jmcnaught, well while I was trying I've caught another problem... I've upgraded and dist-upgraded, I get from grub "unknown tpm error" |
| 01:16.13 | lawr3nce | it couldn't boot up if I didn't add `rmmod tpm` within boot menu entry |
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| 01:28.21 | warsoul | the netinstall will install all package needed for wifi, video card, etc.? |
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| 02:07.54 | oxek | why is wget setuid? |
| 02:09.04 | coruja | lawr3nce, any progress? |
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| 02:14.23 | lawr3nce | coruja, I'm trying to fix that error first |
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| 02:15.17 | coruja | ok |
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| 02:20.11 | warsoul | hello |
| 02:21.41 | tomg | oxek, it's ot setuid o my system |
| 02:21.53 | tomg | not setuid on my system |
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| 02:26.50 | warsoul | hello |
| 02:26.58 | warsoul | got a network error trying to do a netinstall |
| 02:27.11 | warsoul | downloading again |
| 02:27.19 | warsoul | can anyone tell me what could cause the network error |
| 02:27.20 | warsoul | ? |
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| 02:29.08 | dvs | warsoul, we can't tell because we dont' know what the network error is. |
| 02:29.46 | warsoul | dvs ok going to rerun it and take screenshot |
| 02:29.47 | warsoul | brb |
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| 03:13.01 | mesaboogie | evening folks |
| 03:15.52 | annadane | evening |
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| 03:16.41 | mesaboogie | no matter which distro I try I always come back to pure debian. =) on all my boxes |
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| 03:18.48 | r3 | aye me too it seems :) |
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| 03:20.11 | wikan | please type something :) |
| 03:20.12 | r3 | I find myself wondering what the "lightest" Linux is... to run on an ancient i386 laptop ... hmm |
| 03:20.28 | wikan | anyone else? |
| 03:20.39 | wikan | i configure nick colors |
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| 03:20.51 | mesaboogie | r3: debian server and add to it as needed. I would try that. |
| 03:20.58 | mesaboogie | wikan: depends on your client |
| 03:21.07 | john2x | Hi, where can I keep tabs on packages that are about to be updated? Python 2.7.13, the default Python on Stretch, has some vulnerabilities that is fixed with 2.7.14. Should we expect for 2.7.14 to be pushed to the repositories anytime soon? Or should we look into building it from source? |
| 03:21.15 | wikan | i am trying to set single color and I think I did it |
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| 03:21.39 | r3 | mesaboogie: aye, I was thinking that... sounds good :) |
| 03:22.23 | wikan | almost perfect :) |
| 03:22.24 | r3 | someone else suggested TinyCore, but I've never worked with it |
| 03:22.53 | r3 | well, aside from a busybox nas or two |
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| 03:38.44 | jmcnaught | john2x: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/python2.7 is one place to look, there are links at the top of the page to the bug tracking system, the package tracker. You could also look at the archives of the debian-python mailing list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/ |
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| 03:44.57 | john2x | thanks jmcnaught. what's "DSA" stand for in the page? |
| 03:46.01 | jmcnaught | john2x: Debian Security Advisory https://www.debian.org/security/ they are listed here, you can subscribe by RSS and mailing list too. |
| 03:48.17 | john2x | thank you! |
| 03:48.44 | jmcnaught | You're welcome. |
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| 07:32.41 | norayr | hello debian people |
| 07:33.00 | norayr | so i am suffering with remotely located debian stretch upgrade. |
| 07:33.14 | norayr | the messages i have are of libmutter0f : Depends: mutter-common (= 3.16.3-1) but 3.22.3-2 is to be installed. |
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| 07:33.40 | norayr | so upgrade fails because somhow it wants unexisting versions of packages |
| 07:33.54 | norayr | there is indeed 3.22, but not 3.16 now |
| 07:34.11 | norayr | and package resolver fails on many packages including libc. |
| 07:34.16 | norayr | what do i do? |
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| 07:35.33 | ksk | !bat |
| 07:35.34 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:35.34 | ksk | norayr: |
| 07:36.12 | norayr | minute |
| 07:36.42 | ksk | sure, its a lot of output. For starters giving us the whole "apt dist-upgrade" output/error, and not just one line could be helpful |
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| 07:37.25 | norayr | can i automate this? by using termbin |
| 07:37.45 | norayr | forward output of apt to some file. minute. |
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| 07:37.54 | ksk | there is "pastebinit" package in debian for example, and there are other ways to directly paste to nopaste from console, yes. |
| 07:39.23 | norayr | apt-get dist-upgrade: https://termbin.com/275y |
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| 07:40.32 | norayr | apt-cache policy: https://termbin.com/m9v5j |
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| 07:41.28 | ksk | ,v mutter-common |
| 07:41.29 | judd | Package: mutter-common on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-2; buster: 3.30.2-9~deb10u1; bullseye: 3.36.2-3; sid: 3.36.2-3; experimental: 3.36.2+12+gb425f1153-1 |
| 07:42.14 | ksk | You are upgrading from Jessie to Stretch? |
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| 07:42.48 | norayr | actually i think i am just upgrading stretch to stretch |
| 07:42.49 | ksk | ,v libstdc++6 |
| 07:42.50 | judd | Package: libstdc++6 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.9.2-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.9.2-10+deb8u2; stretch: 6.3.0-18+deb9u1; stretch-security: 6.3.0-18+deb9u1; buster: 8.3.0-6; bullseye: 10.1.0-3; sid: 10.1.0-3 |
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| 07:43.01 | norayr | really old 2015 version of stretch |
| 07:43.19 | miskatonic | why is stretch to strech an upgrade? sounds more like a re-install |
| 07:43.21 | frabbit | hi there. does the debian kernel contains partilly or full non free software or BLOBs? |
| 07:43.41 | ksk | frabbit: if you did not enable non-free imho not, no. |
| 07:43.50 | norayr | do you think i can upgrade it to buster? |
| 07:44.03 | norayr | i was thinking to make it actual and then upgrade to buster |
| 07:44.06 | ksk | norayr: something seems borken to me.. No, if you cannot do a regular upgrade, a dist-upgrade will most likely fail, too. |
| 07:44.11 | norayr | this was a 2015 version of stretch. |
| 07:44.25 | frabbit | ksk: what about blobs? |
| 07:44.55 | frabbit | theres linux-libre project, why does it exist if debian remove the blobs too from upstream kernel? |
| 07:44.56 | ksk | frabbit: same. I know that I recommend to use the "non free installer" to most people, since it contains firmware for all the (closed source) NICs |
| 07:45.01 | miskatonic | 2015 stretch? that is unstable? |
| 07:45.09 | norayr | well it got broken, may be because i issued 'apt-get dist-upgrade' but not 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 07:45.27 | ksk | norayr: if you did not alter your sources.list before that, it should not have hurt |
| 07:45.28 | norayr | but i did not change anything in sources.list |
| 07:45.39 | norayr | yes i did not. |
| 07:45.49 | norayr | miskatonic: it says stretch/sid |
| 07:45.51 | frabbit | that doesnt make sense... |
| 07:45.52 | norayr | i don't understand. |
| 07:46.25 | norayr | /etc/debian_version says 9.12 |
| 07:46.41 | ksk | oh, if it says that, you had a "sid" at the time, upgraded from strech.. |
| 07:46.53 | ksk | but then your source.list/policy etc do not match at all! |
| 07:47.03 | ksk | !reinstall |
| 07:47.03 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
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| 07:47.19 | norayr | i think i cannot, because it is a remote machine, and i have no access to it. |
| 07:47.24 | ksk | eh nevermind. I suggest you reinstall your system, should be way more practical at that point. |
| 07:47.27 | norayr | oh |
| 07:47.28 | ksk | !tell norayr about debootstrap |
| 07:47.41 | ksk | you can still do it, granted its not trivial, and if you do it wrong you loose access to your box :/ |
| 07:47.56 | ksk | most providers also offer rescue systems of some sort |
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| 07:50.04 | norayr | well this is my father's laptop, but i only have remote connection, accessing it directly is very complicated. |
| 07:50.13 | norayr | trying aptitude reinstall '~i' |
| 07:50.48 | rany | norayr, wouldn't that reinstall everything? |
| 07:51.15 | norayr | omg at least this did not fail in the resolvedep problems. |
| 07:51.37 | norayr | only says Can't find a source to download version '4.1.3-1' of 'linux-image-4.1.0-1-amd64:amd64' |
| 07:52.01 | norayr | and then E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
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| 07:53.46 | ksk | norayr: it might be stretch is already archived, and not in the regular repos anymore? |
| 07:53.49 | ksk | not sure.. |
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| 07:54.03 | norayr | i think apt-get update goes fine |
| 07:54.39 | ksk | ah yes, stretch is oldstable, so that should be fine. |
| 07:55.08 | miskatonic | doesn't oldstable get less security upgrades? |
| 07:55.08 | norayr | may it be that's because sources.list contains http://httpredir.debian.org/debian not the exact mirror? |
| 07:55.27 | ksk | nope. Just access the link to see for yourself :) |
| 07:55.43 | ksk | did you try apt-get install -f as the dialog suggests? |
| 07:55.57 | ksk | (normally be careful with -f, but since you already broke it.. :P) |
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| 07:57.26 | norayr | it fails, let me tell you. |
| 07:59.06 | miskatonic | is uninstalling gnome before upgrading and reinstalling it afterwards an option? |
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| 08:00.35 | norayr | apt-get -f install: https://termbin.com/x9ap |
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| 08:01.03 | norayr | miskatonic: totally. i would do that. i am afraid that won't solve anything because there are libstdc and even libc problems. |
| 08:04.34 | norayr | since aptitude reinstall '~i' doesn't find linux-image and fails with that, can i tell it to exclude that package? |
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| 08:31.22 | norayr | ok i did aptitude hold linux-image, and then it worked, and after that apt-get -f install works. |
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| 08:42.24 | aypea[2] | hi. does anyone know if it's possible to specify some local debs to debootstrap to install in the dir specified? |
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| 08:43.45 | Jmabsd | Just curious, do you ever choose the nonfree firmware amd64-netinst.iso over the normal one?? |
| 08:44.09 | Jmabsd | I guess the nonfree one could have some WIFI driver if you need that for installing the system .... but that's mostly it I guess. |
| 08:44.41 | jmcnaught | You can also load firmwares from another USB stick during the installer, but the non-free ISO is more convenient. |
| 08:45.24 | aypea[2] | jmabsd: I always do the non-free firmware version of netinst. mainly because I've installed servers and I need to have the firmware available to get the eth ports going. now I'm just used to it. |
| 08:45.36 | Jmabsd | ic. |
| 08:46.36 | aypea[2] | if it weren't for that I'd just roll with normal. if the non-free net installer didn't exist I'd probably wind up ditching debian |
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| 08:48.26 | Jmabsd | ic |
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| 08:49.52 | miskatonic | I don't use non-free |
| 08:50.57 | Jmabsd | i guess normally the free stable one is fine. |
| 08:51.04 | Jmabsd | i guess the most common usecase would be WIFI drivers. |
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| 09:02.08 | miskatonic | aren't proprietary graphic cards even more common? |
| 09:02.32 | miskatonic | em proprietary blobs for graphic cards |
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| 09:11.37 | aypea[2] | miskatonic: generally you don't need to power the cards fully to do an install. |
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| 09:19.23 | miskatonic | it is possible to power the cards non-fully? |
| 09:19.34 | rany | you mean bbswitch? |
| 09:19.51 | rany | https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch |
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| 09:20.57 | norayr | tor had to preserve its hidden service during the apt-get upgrade right? i got disconnected on configuring or installing tor package, don't remember. and cannot connect back again. |
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| 09:30.52 | rany | norayr, `apt upgrade` will restart the tor service so that it uses the new tor binary |
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| 09:32.09 | norayr | yes, right? it wouldn't change the /etc/tor/torrc |
| 09:32.35 | norayr | or may it be it'll require some interactive intervention on whether to use old or new config? |
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| 09:51.24 | ksk | if that file is part of the package, apt would ask you if it had a new version of said config. |
| 09:51.32 | ksk | ,file /etc/tor/torrc |
| 09:51.36 | judd | Search for /etc/tor/torrc in buster/amd64: tor: etc/tor/torrc |
| 09:51.42 | ksk | seems to be the case. |
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| 09:54.52 | norayr | it's stretch |
| 09:55.24 | ksk | that should not matter though. You can do that locally via "dpkg -S /path/to/file" should you be inclined to do that ;) |
| 09:55.25 | norayr | hm but it restarted the service, and then asked? |
| 09:55.43 | norayr | yeah, if i be able to connect to the host. :/ |
| 09:55.48 | ksk | it rather asked, and then restarted the serice. |
| 09:56.13 | ksk | If you are running a hidden service I am sure you have backups of the privatekey.. |
| 09:56.13 | norayr | so i didn't see the question. then i got disconnected. |
| 09:56.23 | ksk | then it did not overwrite the config (imho) |
| 09:56.40 | norayr | the last line i saw was something like installing (or configuring) tor. |
| 09:56.57 | norayr | yes i hope so. i hope this is just network problem, but it is unlikely. |
| 09:57.39 | norayr | i also cannot get back and see was it 'installing' or 'configuring' exactly because i run the apt in screen and shift + pgUp doesnt bring any history there. |
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| 09:58.50 | ksk | why did you run it in screen if you do not know how to use it? :P |
| 09:59.13 | ksk | hold ctrl button, press a - release ctrl, press Escape - scroll |
| 09:59.19 | ksk | press escape again to leave that mode. |
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| 10:06.46 | dutchfish | hi, after installing Certbot (debian/stavle) is saw that TLSv1 and TLSv3 is enabled by default. I edited /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-apache.conf the reflect the disabling of both connection protocols. Is that the correct way of doing it? Will it be overwritten on the next scheduled update? Or is there a better way? |
| 10:07.26 | dutchfish | correction TLSv3->TLSv1.1 |
| 10:08.00 | dutchfish | Or is Cerbot on Debian/stable outdated? |
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| 10:09.28 | ksk | I only used it for nginx, and in such a way it does not change my ssl config. Did you check the docs for Certbot already? there are many modes how to get certs |
| 10:09.45 | ksk | (apart from putting the correct path to the certs of course) |
| 10:10.37 | dutchfish | ksk, yes i did check the Certbot docs. However i am confused since doing a dryrun update check alters the config back to the default state for the SSLProtocol statement config. |
| 10:11.29 | dutchfish | which was not the case on another linux server. So i gues it must be something specific to debian/stable. |
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| 10:12.12 | ksk | mhm yeah that sounds tottally wrong that it would do something on a dryrun |
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| 10:14.42 | dutchfish | ksk, this is my config now, which works as i intended, but i am not sure if it is overruled by the next cert update http://paste.debian.net/1149911/ |
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| 10:20.47 | dutchfish | ksk, also checked out https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/debianbuster-apache.htm and https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ which all seem to comply. |
| 10:21.23 | dutchfish | but i am baffled why those insucre protocols are enabled by default in Debian/stable. |
| 10:21.32 | dutchfish | insucre* |
| 10:21.39 | dutchfish | insecure* |
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| 10:24.31 | dutchfish | also there is this https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=certbot |
| 10:25.07 | ksk | dutchfish: imho you are basicly asking "How does certbot work" - I dont know that |
| 10:25.11 | ksk | maybe there is #certbot? |
| 10:25.33 | ksk | if there is something wrong with it (it might judging from your comments) feel free to create a bugreport |
| 10:26.12 | ksk | dutchfish: please see: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=950735 |
| 10:26.13 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/950735 in certbot (open): «certbot: auto-generated config re-enables TLSv1»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-02-05; last modified: 2020-02-05. |
| 10:26.31 | dutchfish | ksk, well it is not directly a bug, the package is working fine, just it uses insecure defaults and i dont know how to tell it to do not in Debian/Stable. |
| 10:27.03 | ksk | If that is not intended by certbot, then it is a bug. Does not seem that you can to me. |
| 10:27.37 | dutchfish | ksk, thank you #950735 is indeed what i expirience. |
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| 10:30.37 | dutchfish | ksk, for now the only workaround is to manually alter the options-ssl-apache.conf and place a watch on it. Given the date when the bug was reported, i think this one is for debian-security. |
| 10:33.05 | aypea[2] | have to say that there's a certain level of awesome in running arm binaries on an intel laptop :) |
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| 10:34.58 | miskatonic | sounds more like a certain level of insane |
| 10:36.20 | aypea[2] | nah. it's being great for building a debian OS to run on a pi4 atm. |
| 10:38.02 | miskatonic | why not in an emu box? |
| 10:38.21 | aypea[2] | this is simpler. |
| 10:38.37 | aypea[2] | essentially I just chroot into the directory and do things as normal. |
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| 10:49.05 | rccc | Hello |
| 10:49.24 | rccc | i am trying to set a static IP on Debian 10 |
| 10:49.51 | rccc | here is my /etc/network/interfaces : https://www.paste.org/106289 |
| 10:50.11 | rccc | and here the ifconfig command result : https://www.paste.org/106290 |
| 10:50.34 | rccc | i did this so many times some years ago, dont understand why this not work |
| 10:50.53 | rccc | thanks in advance for response |
| 10:51.06 | hisacro | any plans to package opendoas (there was a project by someone on bunsunlabs but dropped eventually) |
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| 10:56.16 | n_1-c_k | rccc, your /etc/network/interfaces has eno4 configured twice. |
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| 10:57.04 | Fox | rccc: you have a typo at line 7, should be eno3 no ? |
| 10:58.14 | Fox | and at line 8 too |
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| 11:05.24 | Led_Zeppelin | hi. was wondering when you do a packet capture for a ssh connection can you see the username? |
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| 11:05.49 | ksk | Led_Zeppelin: I would strongly doubt that :) |
| 11:06.00 | Led_Zeppelin | ok. just making sure. |
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| 11:06.16 | ksk | Led_Zeppelin: but be aware that the server can even get the password the user types in. |
| 11:06.39 | Led_Zeppelin | ksk, right. But I am doing a packet capture on the client side only. |
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| 11:07.12 | ksk | kk, imho you should kinf of only see the banner and maybe a tls handshake in cleartext, but I am not too deep into ssh tbh. |
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| 11:38.37 | puppy | is it okay to just disable tracker-store? |
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| 11:49.22 | Reventlov | Hey there. |
| 11:49.28 | dvs | oi |
| 11:49.45 | Reventlov | so my debian server just rebooted, and I'm trying to find out why. |
| 11:49.46 | kieto | Hi! I've installed xfce DE in an old debian machine, and wifi works out of the box, but VPN connection doesn't. Do you know if network-manager-openvpn is the missing package? |
| 11:50.40 | kieto | In other words, what's the most user-friendly approach to import a *.ovpn file to the default network manager in debian+xfce? |
| 11:52.00 | puppy | Reventlov: sudo journalctl and press 'end' button to reach the end of the log. Scroll up with 'page up' until you get the events prior to the entries of your last boot up |
| 11:52.13 | puppy | Reventlov: it's a great bet and should give you the reason |
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| 11:52.43 | Reventlov | puppy: the journal is only for the current boot |
| 11:52.49 | Reventlov | so, going to the end of the journal won't help. |
| 11:53.26 | puppy | Reventlov: do you clear logs at shutdown, or what? seems strange |
| 11:54.02 | Reventlov | no. |
| 11:54.04 | Reventlov | I don't. |
| 11:55.14 | puppy | journal doesn't rotate the log on each boot, it should all be there. Are you sure that the log entries before your boot up isn't showing? |
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| 11:55.35 | Reventlov | Yes i'm sure. |
| 11:55.49 | Reventlov | -- Logs begin at Wed 2020-06-03 13:36:12 CEST, end at Wed 2020-06-03 13:55:43 CEST. --w |
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| 11:58.09 | puppy | my mistake, forgot I had configured my system this way |
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| 12:00.04 | puppy | Reventlov: small chance, but try sudo journalctl --boot=-1 |
| 12:00.36 | Reventlov | Specifying boot ID or boot offset has no effect, no persistent journal was found. |
| 12:00.43 | Reventlov | It may be hardware, but the idrac seems ok |
| 12:01.07 | puppy | Reventlov: maybe give #systemd a chance. It may take a while to get a response if ever. |
| 12:01.31 | puppy | do you have automatic critical updates enabled maybe? |
| 12:02.03 | puppy | it's an optional package that perhaps maybe may reboot if updates are critical |
| 12:02.14 | Reventlov | hmm, I do have this, let me check the logs |
| 12:02.56 | puppy | I don't know if those auto updating thingies reboots the server, but it's not unthinkable |
| 12:04.15 | Reventlov | looks like it's not unattended upgrades (no logs in /var/log/unattended-upgrades say something about reboots |
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| 12:16.21 | Lady_Aleena | Hello everyone. Has anyone set up multiple directories in apache2? I am not sure about how to set up a second directory, such as what file name to give the config file in sites-available and them how to create the cyan link(?) in sites-enabled. |
| 12:16.54 | Lady_Aleena | Also, do all the files in those directories have to be owned by root? |
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| 12:28.43 | puppy | Lady_Aleena: do you need apache for anything in particular or are you just hosting one or a few site? |
| 12:28.47 | puppy | sites* |
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| 12:30.10 | Lady_Aleena | puppy, I write and test my site locally, then I upload it to my web host (Xecu.net). I want to set up another directory for testing a new way of doing things, and I need to set up another thing in sites-available and sites-enabled to do that testing. |
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| 12:33.22 | darsie | How do I configure mouse pad taps as mouse clicks on LXDE? 'apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' didn't work. Do I need to create xorg.conf and put stuff there? |
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| 12:37.16 | puppy | Lady_Aleena: have you considered upgrading to nginx? |
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| 12:43.01 | Lady_Aleena | puppy, no. |
| 12:43.21 | Lady_Aleena | puppy, does it work exactly like apache2? |
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| 12:43.40 | Lady_Aleena | Such as, does it use the .htaccess file? |
| 12:44.06 | puppy | no, not needed usually. What do you need .htaccess for? |
| 12:44.24 | puppy | it's usually much more straight forward to reconfigure nginx |
| 12:44.54 | Lady_Aleena | puppy, I have to use .htaccess on Xecu.net, so I use it locally too. |
| 12:45.00 | puppy | .htaccess is good if you are hosting for users or customers |
| 12:45.09 | puppy | okay, I understand |
| 12:45.54 | Lady_Aleena | Xecu.net uses cPanel, and cPanel uses apache. |
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| 12:47.52 | Lady_Aleena | puppy, I would take an online guide to Debian's apache2 set up, but I can't find anything. My search-fu is not strong this morning. |
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| 12:59.15 | puppy | Lady_Aleena: I'm unfortunately in no better position than you are on the subject. But I would consult the apache documentation directly instead. |
| 12:59.56 | Lady_Aleena | puppy, Debian's apache2 configuration is different than standard. |
| 13:00.38 | puppy | darsie: this isn't answering your question directly, but I think xfce4 is at least as lightweight as lxde if that's your concern, and it has full support for that kind of things in the settings menu. |
| 13:00.57 | darsie | puppy: thx |
| 13:01.23 | darsie | This is for an Eee PC with 2 GB RAM and 4 GB SSD. |
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| 13:02.06 | darsie | wonders how much clutter will be left over if he purges lxde. |
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| 13:03.03 | darsie | I have the 1st installer DVD on an SD-card for this offline PC. |
| 13:03.04 | puppy | darsie: I belive lxde is replaced with lxqt, could be wrong. |
| 13:03.21 | darsie | I saw lxqt as option in the installer. |
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| 13:03.53 | darsie | Should have looked at how much storage they need when aptitude installing them before installing lxde. |
| 13:04.06 | darsie | I thought qt looks odd. |
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| 13:05.03 | puppy | I don't know what the difference in "lightweightness" is between xfce4 and lxqt, but you get a lot of things for free with xfce4, all configurations are done with GUIs and support for most things and many configuration options included. |
| 13:05.58 | darsie | 542 MB would be freed. A lot more was installed, IIRC. |
| 13:06.09 | darsie | I'll reinstall debian :) |
| 13:06.11 | puppy | like, everything you would expect for a pc or laptop.. power management settings, screen saver settings, laptop lid behavior, screen brightness on laptops etc etc |
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| 13:07.28 | puppy | darsie: I'd go arch on such a machine sine you control basically everything, but debian is a lot more user friendly and just as fine, so. |
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| 13:07.47 | darsie | I'm used to debian. Never used arch. |
| 13:07.48 | Jmabsd | Any reason to or not to use the 5.5 kernel over 5.4? |
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| 13:08.15 | darsie | Jmabsd: Odd subversion numbers indicate developement/unstable kernels, IIRC. |
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| 13:10.00 | darsie | Jmabsd: So since you don't know that, I guess you better not use 5.5. |
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| 13:12.00 | joepublic | Odd subversion numbers do not indicate development or unstable kernels and haven't for a long time |
| 13:12.21 | darsie | joepublic: thx. Jmabsd^ |
| 13:13.02 | joepublic | The latest stable upstream (kernel.org) kernel is 5.7, for example |
| 13:13.18 | darsie | Damnit, I disabled (W)LAN in the bios, and the debian installer didn't find network adapters. Now I want to reinstall and the installer ask me which wlan I want to use ... |
| 13:13.19 | EvanCarroll | debian being systemd should not be setting profile in /etc/profile. |
| 13:13.36 | EvanCarroll | erg should not be setting PATH in /etc/profile |
| 13:14.10 | EvanCarroll | This runs *after* systemd, and it's system wide, so it's overriding any PATH environment variable set by systemd. |
| 13:15.51 | ksk | EvanCarroll: which parts of system do set PATH? |
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| 13:17.33 | puppy | darsie: why did you disable the wlan? |
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| 13:18.15 | darsie | puppy: This shall be an offline PC for security purposes. |
| 13:18.41 | LCRERGO | Hi, what is the purpose of the systemd-network group? |
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| 13:18.52 | EvanCarroll | You could set it in pam, that would work for debian's purposes no? |
| 13:18.54 | EvanCarroll | https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-pam_env/ |
| 13:19.17 | EvanCarroll | then it would happen before systemd. |
| 13:21.22 | darsie | Yep, booting debian activates the wlan. It's enabled in the bios now. |
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| 13:23.02 | nemo | So... this is maybe a stupid thing to do, but I decided to force the amdgpu-pro install script for ubuntu 16.04 for debian - my rationale was... why SHOULDN'T it work ð |
| 13:23.15 | EvanCarroll | ksk: I think you could even use an environmental variable in login.d if the rest of the system runs through system.d too |
| 13:23.27 | nemo | so far, my issues have been libssl1.0.0 requirement which was easy to solve and not uncommon with enterprise stuff... |
| 13:23.46 | EvanCarroll | then systemd would handle it all, and allow the reste of environment.d to override or manipulate that setting. |
| 13:23.56 | EvanCarroll | Which is what people by the bug reports in sway. |
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| 13:24.42 | nemo | but then. the next error was amdgpu-pro-16.40-348864 dkms compile errors in driver, probably due to kernel changes |
| 13:24.43 | EvanCarroll | if you do `man environment.d` and /PATH you'll see that it's even documented as being supported, it's debian that breaks this by statically setting the variable after systemd with /etc/profile |
| 13:25.05 | nemo | I was curious if anyone else has attempted to do anything like this, possibly in debian backports team, and might have hints for working around changes in kernel APIs |
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| 13:25.40 | nemo | for example "drm_vblank" function params clearly changed |
| 13:26.31 | nemo | hmmmm this one might be easy-ish actually since it looks like an int was shifted to a struct. so I could probably just pass in the int instead - bet it's in the timestruct as a timestamp, or otherwise easy to generate |
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| 13:30.13 | nemo | oooh timeval_to_ktime() perfect |
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| 13:30.35 | nemo | another question. this doesn't seem *super* complicated to do. if I don't blow up my kernel in this mission, is debian interested in the results? |
| 13:30.53 | nemo | kernel, rx5600 graphics card.. ⺠|
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| 13:51.29 | blurkis | Can some one recomend a wiki or simular platform thats not to complex and installs over apt? Doesnt matter if its wiki, cms or whatever. Its for my local computer and will not be online. Ease of installation is better than complexity :) |
| 13:51.55 | blurkis | I know my way around apache etc, but the easier the better anyway. |
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| 13:53.07 | annadane | the only one i know off the top of my head is mediawiki |
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| 13:54.16 | Jmabsd | joepublic,darsie: why does latest stable Debian offer both 5.5 and 5.4, so I guess I should use 5.5 then? |
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| 13:56.18 | greycat | mediawiki is a MUCH harder install than MoinMoin ... |
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| 13:56.23 | valerius | blurkis there was some wiki contained in a single html file with javascript, and writes the data to the same file. A kind of notepad which can be run in a browser. It needs only browser, and no web server. Just need to recall the name. |
| 13:56.28 | ksk | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:56.29 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u4; buster-backports: 5.5.17-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.6.14-1; sid: 5.6.14-1; experimental: 5.7~rc5-1~exp1 |
| 13:56.32 | greycat | (unless you already happen to be a LAMP person) |
| 13:57.10 | ksk | Jmabsd: Buster (Debian Stable) comes with Kernel 4.19, and buster-backports with 5.5 - not sure what kind of frankendebian you have over there.. |
| 13:57.25 | Jmabsd | ksk: exactly, i needed a newer kernel to support the GPU |
| 13:57.30 | Jmabsd | it's Buster with 5.4 now |
| 13:57.32 | Jmabsd | i'll upgrade to 5.5. |
| 13:58.34 | ksk | It is a valid option to install the kernel from backports, and still get the volunteer debian support. not so much if you just install random kernels whithout understanding what you are doing ;) |
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| 14:00.57 | valerius | blurkis recalled the name: http://tiddlywiki.com |
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| 14:03.58 | valerius | blurkis no idea if it can be installed via apt, though |
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| 14:05.09 | greycat | "apt-cache search --names-only wiki" gives me a LOT of results, but not that one |
| 14:05.46 | blurkis | annadane: valerius thanks. I will look into mediawiki and tiddly |
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| 14:07.26 | blurkis | greycat: and thanks to you to :) |
| 14:07.28 | valerius | blurkis There is also dokuwiki, which stores data in text files, and can work without MySQL. But if you don't need your wiki to be online, probably, TiddlyWiki is your choice. |
| 14:07.58 | greycat | moinmoin also stores everything in plain text files |
| 14:08.26 | greycat | mediawiki stores everything in a database, usually Mysql, and when (not if) Mysql decides it wants to corrupt one of the tables, your content goes bye bye |
| 14:08.59 | tds | Lady_Aleena: you can make the symlinks in sites-enabled by hand, or using `a2ensite` |
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| 14:12.45 | mutantturkey | is package Pin-Priority higher better or lower better? |
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| 14:14.02 | mutantturkey | http://ix.io/2obl |
| 14:14.16 | mutantturkey | given that apt-cache policy postfix, i would expect the first entry to be selected? |
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| 14:15.08 | mutantturkey | docs say: If the packages have the same priority, the package with a higher version number (most recent) wins. |
| 14:15.11 | mutantturkey | If packages have different priorities, the one with the higher priority wins. |
| 14:15.26 | greycat | Pinning is generally a horrible idea, and is a path that people go down because they're trying to mix releases and create frankendebians. |
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| 14:16.19 | zodd | started a couple of weeks ago. My Lenovo laptop running XFCE Debian10 quite often hijacks my mouse (red knob+pad) as in I can only move the pointer vertically. With an external mouse this does not happen. Also the clipboard get copied frequently to inputfields or the terminal. Also switching windows or desktops or closing windows/applications sometimes happen. Moving my hand further away from the touchpad helps. Same for |
| 14:16.19 | zodd | switching Xto tty and back again, or playing around with ctrl+shift+alt |
| 14:16.34 | zodd | nevertheless annoying. How can I debug/fix this? |
| 14:16.40 | mutantturkey | zodd: that's wild |
| 14:16.44 | mutantturkey | is your touchpad dirty |
| 14:16.54 | mutantturkey | We use it for: we build packages with patches on top of debian packages then host it in a private repo |
| 14:17.09 | mutantturkey | so: postfix x.x.x exists, we have a few patches we rebase on top of it |
| 14:17.20 | greycat | What the hell do you need pinning for, then? Just use a higher version number (or epoch). |
| 14:17.27 | zodd | ynot really afaik. Maybe some dirt inside. Although I clean regularly |
| 14:17.28 | greycat | Or give your packages a different name. |
| 14:17.58 | mutantturkey | because |
| 14:18.14 | mutantturkey | 1) we want to use our packages regardless of the debian version. Even if debian gets newer than us we need to have our patches |
| 14:18.16 | Lady_Aleena | tds, do I have to restart apache2 after doing either? |
| 14:18.28 | greycat | So use a different name. |
| 14:18.34 | mutantturkey | 2) we use the normal dependency system so having our package replacing it avoids anything weird. |
| 14:18.55 | tds | Lady_Aleena: you need to have it reload - you can `systemctl reload apache2`, or `apache2ctl graceful` |
| 14:19.01 | tds | but iirc a2ensite will tell you to do that |
| 14:19.55 | Lady_Aleena | tds, does Debian apache2 have filename requirements? |
| 14:20.24 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: in some release or other (stretch, maybe?) the filename requirement DID INDEED change. They have to be named *.conf now. |
| 14:20.38 | Lady_Aleena | I see 000-default.conf, so does every other file have to start with a triple digit number? |
| 14:20.42 | greycat | No. |
| 14:20.46 | mutantturkey | no |
| 14:20.48 | greycat | Just the .conf part matters. |
| 14:20.53 | tds | you can just use numbering like that to force ordering if you like |
| 14:21.00 | Jmabsd | ksk: sure installing random kernels would be pretty disastrous :) |
| 14:21.04 | greycat | Imagine what happens when all your sites were named with their domain names, and then THAT... |
| 14:21.24 | tds | but if you look in apache2.conf you'll see "IncludeOptional sites-enabled/*.conf", so you can use anything that'll match that |
| 14:22.06 | Lady_Aleena | And in 000-default.conf I have "ServerName me", but when I type "me" into my browser address bar, it goes to a google search result instead. |
| 14:22.30 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: your *browser* does the hostname resolution. |
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| 14:22.47 | Lady_Aleena | 000-default.conf was done long ago when I was first trying out apache2, and I forgot a lot. |
| 14:22.53 | greycat | If your browser's DNS server doesn't give you an IP address that matches that of your web server, nothing you did on the web server will matter. |
| 14:23.51 | Lady_Aleena | Here is 000-default.conf: http://paste.debian.net/1149949/ |
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| 14:26.22 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: did you literally type "me", the two letter word, with no dots in it, or was this a metasyntactic placeholder for an actual domain name? |
| 14:26.39 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I literally typed "me". |
| 14:26.55 | greycat | So how did you expect your browser to know you intended this as a domain name? |
| 14:27.00 | greycat | use http://me/ |
| 14:27.16 | greycat | and then, again, the browser will perform a hostname lookup, in hosts files and/or DNS... |
| 14:27.29 | Lady_Aleena | It went to icloud.com. |
| 14:28.07 | EdePopede | that's what the browser should do *first*... but then desktop folks seem to mean that software has to be *smart* (cough) or user*friendly* (coughing even more) |
| 14:28.54 | Lady_Aleena | Where is hosts? |
| 14:28.56 | EdePopede | iirc lynx has the best system i've seen so far. use the key of a search engine, then a space, then the search term |
| 14:29.00 | EdePopede | /etc/hosts |
| 14:29.05 | EdePopede | config, so /etc |
| 14:29.32 | Lady_Aleena | It isn't in hosts...dang it! |
| 14:29.37 | EdePopede | heh |
| 14:29.42 | greycat | Current major browsers unified the URL bar with the search functionality. If you type something that LOOKS like a domain name (single word containing dots), it will treat it as http://your.domain/. If you don't, it will treat it as https://www.google.com/search?q=yourinput or similar. |
| 14:29.53 | EdePopede | that's the 1st thing i alwasy do, even if i'm sure. cat /etc/hosts |
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| 14:30.05 | Lady_Aleena | Here is hosts: http://paste.debian.net/1149952/ |
| 14:30.51 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have the set up for office.home anymore. |
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| 14:31.02 | Lady_Aleena | line 2 of hosts... |
| 14:31.53 | EdePopede | the idea isn't bad per se, one of 2 methods to save space. but then they should have implementid it correctly. 0x20 isn't valid in any browser related URL, so it should be a good hint that it's not an URL what you're typing. and then if it's a single word it *should* be treated like a local hostname. |
| 14:32.47 | EdePopede | if there's nothing matching, 2nd stage. even here i'd prefer "host not found" instead of a default search. |
| 14:33.49 | Lady_Aleena | I'll be right back, the dryer just beeped at me. I want to get these first two loads done before the heat gets too intense. It is supposed to get into the 90s (F) today. |
| 14:34.21 | EdePopede | browsers btw. links2 in debian is without javascript? i'm not sure about its state, i've read it was there some releases ago, which would mean, no more. but then there's also an option to use it, but which is unknown on mine. |
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| 14:38.18 | nemo | greycat: at least in firefox controlling urlbar search behaviour is pretty fleixible |
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| 14:38.37 | nemo | greycat: so can turn that off if they are having issues |
| 14:38.53 | nemo | *flexible |
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| 14:52.49 | Lady_Aleena | I'm back. |
| 14:54.02 | Lady_Aleena | What do I need to restart when I change /etc/hosts? |
| 14:54.13 | Lady_Aleena | s/change/restart/; |
| 14:54.25 | Lady_Aleena | It is hot, my brain is frying. |
| 14:54.28 | greycat | whatever program you're using that might have cached the previous values, e.g. an NFS server |
| 14:54.30 | EdePopede | nothing |
| 14:54.33 | EdePopede | ah |
| 14:55.34 | greycat | in a lot of cases, "nothing" will be correct |
| 14:55.57 | Lady_Aleena | So, restart Firefox. |
| 14:56.44 | greycat | *shrug* maybe, who knows, can't hurt |
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| 14:57.28 | Lady_Aleena | Restarting Firefox did the trick. |
| 14:57.51 | Lady_Aleena | Now, to use more sane Server names. |
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| 14:58.19 | Lady_Aleena | And add a few more test dirs to apache2 sites-available/enabled. |
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| 15:04.35 | Lady_Aleena | Now, when adding additional hosts, what should be after 127.0.1.1? [127.0.1.2] [127.0.2.1] [127.1.1.1]? |
| 15:05.27 | greycat | ... |
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| 15:05.53 | Lady_Aleena | Does that indicate it does not matter? |
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| 15:07.31 | greycat | It indicates that I am becoming seriously annoyed and will probably /ignore you soon. |
| 15:08.03 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: you probably want named hosts in your apache config. no need to add tons of IPs. |
| 15:08.21 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, I am looking at /etc/hosts at the moment. |
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| 15:09.28 | EdePopede | localhost / 127.0.0.1 changed some time ago to be what it just is and arbitrary hostnames going to that other IP (127.0.1.1 iirc). as long as you don't *need* more IPs there's no need to add them |
| 15:10.07 | EdePopede | you can throw all the hostnames you want to that one IP by just appending them to the line. plain or FQDN, up to you. |
| 15:10.57 | EdePopede | atm i only have that one additional IP with the machine name in both forms and my lil' internet box. |
| 15:11.55 | EdePopede | had some more in the past but then i was playing with vhosts on apache and mixing HOST:IP to see what's possible and how fallback works for half configured stuff and such. |
| 15:12.48 | EdePopede | oh and what i also had was a honeypot for ad and tracking requests using some 127.* IP on the local apache. had a lot of access from the web :) |
| 15:13.20 | Lady_Aleena | I just got this error/warning when I tried to copy 000-default.conf to localsite.conf |
| 15:13.22 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1149960/ |
| 15:14.11 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena, to give you an impression, there are some host files here: https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts |
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| 15:15.34 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena, what did you change in the hosts file? |
| 15:16.55 | Lady_Aleena | Old /etc/hosts: http://paste.debian.net/1149952 New /etc/hosts: http://paste.debian.net/1149962/ |
| 15:18.05 | EdePopede | you removed the office stuff? could be the reason |
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| 15:18.23 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: `hostanme` what does it say? |
| 15:18.29 | EdePopede | arr... hostname |
| 15:18.51 | Lady_Aleena | 'office' |
| 15:20.01 | EdePopede | yeah.. now sudo seems to look for it :) |
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| 15:20.58 | EdePopede | better don't remove stuff from the 1st 2 lines. you may add additional hostname tho |
| 15:23.36 | Lady_Aleena | Now how do I enable a site in apache? |
| 15:25.27 | Lady_Aleena | I remembered, I think. |
| 15:25.30 | jmcnaught | a2ensite hostname |
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| 15:25.40 | jmcnaught | or sitename rather |
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| 15:28.00 | EdePopede | a2{dis,en}{conf,mod,site} -- took me some time to get rid of the typos |
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| 15:31.42 | Lady_Aleena | Something is not right with my config for another dir, but my dryer just beeped again for the next load. |
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| 16:04.12 | Ooze | My swap is filling up, but my memory isn't maxed out. What's the deal? |
| 16:05.25 | jmcnaught | Swap is less useful if it doesn't get filled until memory is completely out. It's better to start swapping unused pages out early so they're already there when more memory needs to be cleared up. |
| 16:08.45 | Lady_Aleena | I do not intend to be an annoyance when asking questions here. I am sorry that I am. |
| 16:09.23 | jmcnaught | The whole point of this place is for people to ask questions. |
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| 16:11.01 | Ooze | Thanks jmcnaught -- what action should I take when swap becomes full? Shouldn't it be clearing itself every once in a while? |
| 16:11.14 | Ooze | Been bouncing |
| 16:11.28 | jmcnaught | Ooze: do you have programs running that are consuming a lot of memory? |
| 16:12.12 | Ooze | rtorrent & Plex are the worst I suppose, but I'm still usually running under 4GB of my 8GB |
| 16:12.34 | jmcnaught | I wouldn't worry about it too much then. |
| 16:12.57 | Ooze | So if swap becomes full, whatever? |
| 16:13.10 | Ooze | I've noticed it several times now |
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| 16:18.55 | greycat | rtorrent isn't even on the first *page* of top's results sorted by memory, here... I can't even guess how many torrents you must be seeding |
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| 16:20.00 | Ooze | :) |
| 16:20.21 | Ooze | Yeah I should probably dedicate a box |
| 16:20.22 | trench | Ooze: apt-cache show swapspace |
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| 16:20.40 | greycat | if you're exhausting all memory and swap, the thing to do would be to *stop using* whatever program is leaking memory that badly... or set a resource limit on it... or buy more RAM |
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| 16:21.37 | Ooze | greycat: How can I examine which program might be leaking? |
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| 16:22.03 | asterismo_l | hi |
| 16:22.05 | greycat | top, press Shift-M. or whatever you prefer. |
| 16:22.25 | asterismo_l | does anyone knows if there is any linux distribution based on GTK1? |
| 16:22.40 | greycat | ask ##linux maybe? |
| 16:22.42 | asterismo_l | like a retro linux distro |
| 16:22.47 | asterismo_l | ok thanks |
| 16:22.51 | greycat | I seriously doubt it. |
| 16:23.15 | trench | greycat: distrowatch.com |
| 16:23.58 | greycat | in any case, it's not the "distro" that uses libgtk1 ... it's the window manager, desktop environment, etc. |
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| 16:24.26 | Ooze | 25min uptime and I'm already at 350M consumed swap |
| 16:24.47 | greycat | if you download libgtk1 and whatever WM you like that uses that toolkit, but then you also download a current Google Chrome, Chrome isn't going to magically start using libgtk1. It'll use what it uses. |
| 16:24.52 | trench | Ooze: stop the pr0n torrrents :P |
| 16:25.05 | Ooze | but my bonus points... |
| 16:25.46 | trench | Ooze: check with top and ctrl+m |
| 16:25.51 | trench | works fine here |
| 16:26.11 | greycat | ctrl-m? isn't that just Enter? |
| 16:26.35 | trench | no |
| 16:26.40 | Ooze | Isn't that just sorting by consumed memory? Does all high memory usage leak into swap space? I guess I need to read more generally |
| 16:27.00 | greycat | You wanted to know what's using the most memory. This shows you that. |
| 16:27.03 | greycat | (Shfit-M) |
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| 16:27.25 | trench | Toggle Summary: 'l' load avg; 't' task/cpu stats; 'm' memory info |
| 16:27.45 | Ooze | I know what's using the most memory, I want to know what's LEAKING the most. Are those synonymous? I don't know |
| 16:27.54 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:27.55 | greycat | jesus |
| 16:28.02 | greycat | YOU GUESS |
| 16:28.09 | greycat | YOU MAKE AN EDUCATED STAB AT IT |
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| 16:28.40 | bipul | Hi, i'm looking to install latest or +1.25 version of git in my buster. But in the upstream i have found it's 1:2.20 only. |
| 16:28.53 | greycat | YOU OBSERVE THE PROCESS'S MEMORY USAGE OVER TIME AND DECIDE WHETHER IT IS BEHAVING IN A REASONABLE MANNER |
| 16:28.56 | Ooze | Okay yeah I can surprise it's rtorrent. Just didn't understand the leak concept |
| 16:29.55 | bipul | .help |
| 16:29.55 | bipul | .dpkg |
| 16:29.59 | trench | bipul: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:30.26 | bipul | trench, okay thank you :) |
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| 16:37.20 | bipul | How to tell bot to get me the latest version of git in buster repo? |
| 16:37.35 | greycat | ,v git |
| 16:37.36 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u10; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u7; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 1:2.20.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.20.1-2+deb10u3; buster-security: 1:2.20.1-2+deb10u3; buster-backports: 1:2.26.2-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:2.26.2-1; sid: 1:2.27.0-1; |
| 16:37.37 | judd | experimental: 1:2.27.0+next.20200531-1 |
| 16:37.52 | bipul | oh nice |
| 16:37.57 | jmcnaught | bipul: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for instructions on how to install packages from backports. |
| 16:37.57 | greycat | Buster has git version 1:2.20.1-2+deb10u3 |
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| 16:38.17 | greycat | there is no concept of "latest version of ... in buster". Buster is stable. Static. Fixed. Unchanging. |
| 16:38.21 | bipul | yes. |
| 16:39.09 | bipul | The same version i found with apt-cache madison git |
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| 16:39.39 | bipul | I'm looking to install latest or 1:2.25+ |
| 16:39.50 | greycat | Then look at buster-backports. |
| 16:40.03 | bipul | okay, :) |
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| 16:49.06 | nemo | heh. changing this driver is taking longer than I expected even though everything seeems straightforward. ah well. no graphics acceleration on 4.19 for now |
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| 16:49.10 | darsie | Can passwords to encrypted volumes be changed? |
| 16:50.34 | norayr | btw i successfully upgraded stretch to stretch. (: |
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| 16:51.18 | darsie | I think that's a prerequisite to upgrading to buster. |
| 16:51.47 | norayr | so i did it remotely on a completely broken system with internal ip via tor domain. (: |
| 16:52.23 | norayr | so what i know is after my manipulations somehow it replaced gdm with lightdm and set xfce as default desktop environment. |
| 16:52.55 | norayr | i installed mate-desktop-environment and gdm3, it brought some xorg files, so it looks like xfce started without x, but with wayland. |
| 16:53.07 | norayr | and now xorg doesn't start. gdm3 doesn't start. |
| 16:54.36 | jmcnaught | darsie: if it's LUKS then you can use cryptsetup to add and remove passphrases. I think there can be up to eight passphrases but I could be remembering wrong. |
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| 16:57.30 | norayr | i think my xorg installation is not full. |
| 16:57.45 | norayr | because i worked before upgrade. so probably something is missing. |
| 16:59.00 | darsie | thx |
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| 17:05.13 | nemo | hm. I really hope I'm not doing a bunch of work for nothing. My reading of the AMD website is that they only support Ubuntu 16.04 - which seems insane. Ubuntu 16.04 is approach end of maintenance updates this year. Does anyone know if any version of their driver with newer kernel patches exist? RTFSing kernel code for stuff I'm only vaguely familiar with is kinda tedious |
| 17:05.19 | nemo | AMDGPU that is |
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| 17:05.41 | nemo | oooooh maybe the Arch folks did this patching anyway. they are often on the ball |
| 17:05.47 | nemo | s/anyway/already/ |
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| 17:12.56 | sney | nemo: that sounds like it's for amdgpu-pro, which is not even offered by debian because it's rarely neccessary. regular amdgpu is part of mainline linux so you may want to check the changelogs at kernel.org |
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| 17:13.29 | nemo | sney: hm. was having no luck at all with getting graphics accel going on my rx5600 |
| 17:13.38 | nemo | sney: and poking around online amdgpu-pro was recommended |
| 17:14.03 | nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Troubleshooting I installed all the usual firmware off of here |
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| 17:15.04 | sney | nemo: ah, ok. well amdgpu-pro is a dkms package so it should still work with buster as long as 4.19 isn't too new, regardless of what ubuntu year code the site says they support. |
| 17:16.08 | nemo | sney: that was my hope |
| 17:16.15 | nemo | sney: but I've been busy modifying function after function |
| 17:16.28 | nemo | getting sick of it and wondering if some other distro might have already done this |
| 17:16.30 | sney | heh, if you're up to your elbows in C then that's a clear sign it's not going to work |
| 17:16.38 | nemo | sney: well. not necessarily |
| 17:16.43 | nemo | sney: just might mean it bitrotted |
| 17:16.56 | nemo | sney: so far all the stuff I've changed is just cleanup of the drm interface |
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| 17:18.04 | nemo | like... return drm_plane_init(dev, plane, possible_crtcs, funcs, formats, format_count, true); instead of return drm_universal_plane_init(dev, plane, possible_crtcs, funcs, formats, format_count, type, name); |
| 17:18.13 | rokra | Hello, I m running a disk space issue on Debian 9 and using du , I m far away to have a disk space full. Inode looks good as well, is someone can help me ? I dont know where to look |
| 17:18.16 | nemo | (which was the 4.4/4.5 version in their code) |
| 17:18.24 | greycat | So I googled "debian rx5600", and the second result says "Jan 21, 2020 - The Radeon RX 5600 XT graphics cards are beginning to ship today" |
| 17:18.25 | nemo | sney: AMD just being lazy IMO |
| 17:18.36 | greycat | sounds like it's too new for buster |
| 17:18.38 | sney | with out-of-tree proprietary stuff from hardware vendors it's a pretty slim chance. |
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| 17:19.01 | miskatonic | what happens when Radeon cards ae used unaccelerated? |
| 17:19.16 | sney | it varies |
| 17:19.43 | nemo | greycat: yeah, I was just hoping I could shim it into the 4.19 kernel since they were officially supporting 4.4 |
| 17:20.12 | nemo | greycat: it seems silly that an ubuntu from 2016 would have better new graphics card support by AMD, but, eh. maybe they only update to next LTS when they absolutely have to |
| 17:20.35 | nemo | greycat: that is, the amdgpu-pro package they provide was updated literally a month or two ago... but still with no new kernel support *rage* |
| 17:20.42 | jmcnaught | I have pretty strong doubts that whatever you downloaded for 16.04 would work for a card released this year anyways⦠|
| 17:21.00 | flayer | i'm tired |
| 17:21.26 | nemo | jmcnaught: thaaat is a very good point :/ |
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| 17:21.27 | greycat | I think he's saying AMD has some proprietary driver that they release for whatever kernel their One Ubuntu Guy happens to be running. |
| 17:21.49 | nemo | greycat: yeah, but he's got a good point. I didn't even *think* to verify the compatible product list. dammit. one moment |
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| 17:22.29 | nemo | for some silly reason I assumed they'd update *their* linux driver when they released new hardware |
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| 17:22.51 | flayer | so silly of you |
| 17:23.35 | sney | linux is a second thought (third?) for many vendors. bleeding edge hardware is often unsupported for a bit, particularly desktop stuff |
| 17:23.55 | nemo | oooooh |
| 17:24.07 | nemo | I might've been looking on wrong part of their website *blush* |
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| 17:24.16 | nemo | https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-amdgpu-unified-linux-20-10 |
| 17:24.18 | nemo | ubuntu 18.04 |
| 17:24.19 | nemo | doh |
| 17:24.23 | nemo | that'll be a LOT easier to install |
| 17:24.32 | sney | that's more likely to be supported, lol |
| 17:24.56 | nemo | yeah. and thankfully I didn't spend *too* much time down the kernel interface rabbit hole |
| 17:25.04 | miskatonic | do non-compositing window managers suffer from poorly supported video cards? |
| 17:25.08 | nemo | I guess my expectations for commercial blobs have been lowered by what I need to support at work |
| 17:25.18 | nemo | miskatonic: usually no, but your browser will |
| 17:25.29 | nemo | miskatonic: might be minor graphics glitches. |
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| 17:26.19 | nemo | welp. cool. time to remove all this junk I installed and start lying to their install script about what my distro is all over again |
| 17:26.34 | nemo | hm. I can probably just rm -rf their local "repo" |
| 17:29.32 | nemo | oh nice. this one even has "debian" in the id |
| 17:29.34 | nemo | and mint |
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| 17:30.55 | nemo | seems to be working ⥠|
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| 17:32.36 | nemo | woooo dkms succeeded. huzzah. |
| 17:32.43 | nemo | reboot time |
| 17:35.19 | nemo | crud... xorg. module abi version 24 doesn't match amdgpu 23 â¹ |
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| 17:35.41 | nemo | I guess I could pin an old xorg but that's lame. let's see if someone has a nicer solution |
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| 17:36.25 | darsie | I don't have a Touchpad tab in xfce Mouse and Touchpad settings. Should I install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? libinput is installed. |
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| 17:38.05 | jmcnaught | nemo: did you try using a newer kernel and firmware from buster-backports? |
| 17:38.45 | nemo | jmcnaught: amdgpu: module ABI major version (23) doesn't match the server's version (24) wouldn't that make the problem worse? |
| 17:38.59 | nemo | jmcnaught: I'm reading that as their Xorg amdgpu module being too old for the Xorg server? |
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| 17:39.03 | nemo | (that's an Xorg startup error) |
| 17:39.15 | jmcnaught | nemo: I'm talking about instead of the proprietary driver for a different OS. |
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| 17:45.24 | nemo | jmcnaught: oh hm. well. sounded like you were saying odds were super low given how recent the card was. but worth a shot I suppose |
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| 17:47.01 | nemo | backports is from last summer but here's hoping |
| 17:47.04 | nemo | certainly easy to try |
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| 17:47.59 | spinningCat-work | i have five csv files. Is there a command to combine this files? |
| 17:48.20 | greycat | cat |
| 17:48.55 | nemo | spinningCat-work: and if the files are wildly different in their columns you can use awk or one of the many "csv sql" variants out there I guess |
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| 17:49.28 | greycat | if the columns don't align, I don't know what "combine the files" would even mean |
| 17:49.37 | spinningCat-work | content have same columns |
| 17:49.45 | spinningCat-work | i mean title |
| 17:50.04 | nemo | tail -n+1 to skip the title when catting |
| 17:50.19 | spinningCat-work | tail -n+1 is the command? |
| 17:50.26 | nemo | to skip first line yes |
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| 17:50.43 | miskatonic | are titles part of the content or just comments? |
| 17:50.48 | nemo | er +2 sorry |
| 17:50.49 | spinningCat-work | so tail -n+1 *.csv? |
| 17:51.02 | spinningCat-work | okay tail -n+ *.csv |
| 17:51.03 | greycat | Maybe start with cat, and if that doesn't work, tell us *what* about it is wrong. |
| 17:51.18 | greycat | Rather than people guessing random shit like "maybe he wants to trim the first line of each file". |
| 17:51.33 | spinningCat-work | cat will show the content of files right? |
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| 17:52.14 | spinningCat-work | dont want to trim anything i just want to combine csv files the headers of file are same |
| 17:52.30 | greycat | so cat them all together |
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| 17:52.38 | jmcnaught | "cat - concatenate files" |
| 17:53.13 | spinningCat-work | okay |
| 17:53.28 | spinningCat-work | - concentenate with space right? |
| 17:54.06 | jmcnaught | spinningCat-work: I was quoting the man page, cat literally is for concatenating files. |
| 17:54.08 | spinningCat-work | let me try thank you |
| 17:54.20 | spinningCat-work | oh ok |
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| 17:57.22 | norayr | so just to tell anyone - the broken debian i was dealing via tor is now fine, it is still stretch, but the latest, and i solved all the problems. |
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| 18:04.30 | miskatonic | from latest stretch it is now all that much easier to upgrade to Buster |
| 18:04.58 | greycat | (probably not significantly easier, to be honest) |
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| 18:07.51 | annadane | hi i have a server i'm trying to upgrade from debian 3 to debian 12 can anyone help ???? |
| 18:08.02 | greycat | ... |
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| 18:15.46 | miskatonic | no, you're beyond help |
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| 18:22.13 | darsie | Buy a new one and install from scratch. |
| 18:22.52 | nemo | lol I spent a bunch of time banging my head against a wall with lightdm |
| 18:23.06 | nemo | and it was all because I'd thoughtlessly run ssh -YC |
| 18:23.10 | nemo | facepalms |
| 18:23.21 | nemo | "oh, you must be wanting to use Xephyr" |
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| 18:32.51 | miskatonic | so ssh is required for running xephyr? |
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| 18:38.59 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 18:39.04 | b1ack0p | what was the setting for timezone? |
| 18:39.11 | b1ack0p | tz something= |
| 18:39.16 | b1ack0p | ? |
| 18:39.36 | greycat | !timezone |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 18:40.09 | b1ack0p | hmm |
| 18:41.01 | b1ack0p | test |
| 18:41.04 | b1ack0p | finally |
| 18:41.06 | b1ack0p | thanks |
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| 18:51.31 | nemo | miskatonic: naw. I'm thinking it was just bad detection of nesting |
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| 19:39.06 | HelloShitty | hello. Can 'mv' command be used to move files from on folder to another one and only replace the files that are different/modified ? |
| 19:39.38 | HelloShitty | I have a big folder (almost 300Gb) to copy over into another folder that might contain most of the files but some might be different |
| 19:40.13 | HelloShitty | so to try to save some time, I wanted to move/copy only the ones that are different, based on size and/or modification date |
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| 19:41.29 | HelloShitty | switch '-u' maybe? |
| 19:42.42 | petn-randall | HelloShitty: That's what you can use rsync for. |
| 19:43.04 | HelloShitty | ok, let me check that command. I don't know about it |
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| 19:49.48 | metbsd | how do i enable hdmi audio? |
| 19:50.38 | metbsd | 07:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang HDMI/DP Audio Controller |
| 19:51.04 | diogenes_ | metbsd, pavucontrol > configuration |
| 19:53.54 | HelloShitty | petn-randall: when rsync says "sending incremental file list", is it already copying? |
| 19:54.19 | HelloShitty | I used it as ´rsync -av folder1 folder2´ |
| 19:55.24 | metbsd | it says unplugged |
| 19:55.29 | metbsd | but i'm using it |
| 19:55.35 | metbsd | im using hdmi port |
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| 19:57.15 | petn-randall | HelloShitty: That means it's sending file list to the other side to compare with that file list. |
| 19:57.19 | jmcnaught | metbsd: does your video card need a firmware to use all features? If you get errors about missing AMD/ATI firmwares in "journalctl | grep -i firmware" then you can install firmware-amd-graphics from non-free. |
| 19:57.55 | petn-randall | metbsd: Does your monitor have an audio output? And do you have anything plugged in there? |
| 19:58.30 | HelloShitty | petn-randall: thank you |
| 19:59.33 | GenTooMan | I need to yank a package that broke on installation. It is not feasible to fix the package, as I've tried several times it appears way beyond my ability to fix and can't be done by simple means (IE I tried to run the install again and a few other things). |
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| 20:02.05 | petn-randall | HelloShitty: You're welcome! |
| 20:02.26 | petn-randall | GenTooMan: What package is this? |
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| 20:09.51 | GenTooMan | petn-randall nginx-full |
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| 20:11.11 | metbsd | petn-randall, it worked in mint |
| 20:11.16 | metbsd | but mint has other problem |
| 20:11.29 | metbsd | so i switch back to debian |
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| 20:15.30 | darsie | On an offline PC with DVD 1 inserted, does apt-cache search only DVD 1? |
| 20:15.40 | darsie | Doesn't find guvcview. |
| 20:18.43 | dvs | darsie, it depends what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:19.33 | darsie | mhm, just DVD 1. |
| 20:19.47 | darsie | and 'security'. |
| 20:20.01 | dvs | Then guvcview isn't on DVD-1 |
| 20:20.06 | darsie | ok |
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| 20:24.13 | metbsd | really sick of tweaking these firmware, driver, and glitch |
| 20:25.11 | metbsd | every distribution has different glitch |
| 20:25.16 | greycat | don't buy new hardware, or don't try to use debian stable releases on new hardware |
| 20:25.32 | metbsd | debian testing? |
| 20:25.36 | metbsd | it's not really new |
| 20:26.26 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.33 | metbsd | is this new? |
| 20:26.41 | dvs | pretty new |
| 20:26.56 | metbsd | damn |
| 20:27.04 | metbsd | what distro should i use then |
| 20:27.07 | metbsd | as workstation |
| 20:27.18 | metbsd | maybe centos? |
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| 20:28.30 | dvs | metbsd, have you tried a backported kernel and firmware? |
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| 20:31.35 | darsie | How can I verify the signature of a *.deb which I transferred to my offline PC via flash drive? |
| 20:34.27 | darsie | I guess there are signed hash lists. |
| 20:35.34 | greycat | Debian signs the package lists, not the individual packages. |
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| 20:45.24 | omenius | if I just move .pcf.gz font within a dir into /usr/share/fonts, will it work? |
| 20:46.21 | omenius | having hard time finding instructions for installing that type of a font |
| 20:46.46 | sney | if fontconfig supports it, put it in that directory and run fc-cache |
| 20:47.04 | sney | I'm not familiar with the format but you may also need to gunzip it? |
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| 20:54.34 | miskatonic | It's a bitmap format, abnd fontconfig blocks bitmap fonts except Terminus |
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| 20:58.07 | useretail | hi, how to launch gui in debian live? |
| 20:58.15 | useretail | startx is not found |
| 20:58.58 | greycat | !debian-live |
| 20:58.58 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive #debian-live on irc.debian.org; also see <live login>, <uefi live>. |
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| 20:59.09 | omenius | miskatonic: can i safely just change the config? |
| 20:59.28 | sney | useretail: not all debian live images have a graphical environment. the ones that do should start it automatically. which one are you using? |
| 21:00.06 | useretail | sney, no idea, how to check? |
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| 21:00.17 | sney | useretail: what's the name of the file you downloaded? |
| 21:01.08 | useretail | no idea, can't boot my linux, that's why i'm using live-usb |
| 21:01.22 | omenius | if the name has minimal or server, it usually comes default without gui |
| 21:01.27 | useretail | i have .kde in home folder, so it may be kde |
| 21:02.10 | omenius | "startx KDE" is not working? |
| 21:02.21 | sney | omenius: you're thinking of ubuntu, debian's gui-less live image is called "standard" |
| 21:02.31 | omenius | startkde might work also |
| 21:02.32 | greycat | Ask the debian-live channel. On the other network. Or search through the file systems yourself. |
| 21:02.37 | omenius | I'm not really expert, just guessing |
| 21:04.01 | useretail | omenius, startx is not found |
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| 21:04.42 | sney | useretail: if you're using a live image that was supposed to have a gui, and the gui isn't starting, it's likely that the image was corrupted while writing to usb. can you try it again? make sure you aren't using a utility like unetbootin, as those unpack the images and can mess them up. |
| 21:05.18 | sney | useretail: but if you're using the live image to recover an existing debian installation, you may not need a gui at all. |
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| 21:07.20 | useretail | sney, ok, how to mount my disks then? i had lvm volume |
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| 21:11.38 | sney | useretail: I'm not familiar enough with LVM to be sure, but I think you activate the vg by running 'vgchange -a' and then find the partitions in /dev under the unique vg name. there should be good information here: https://wiki.debian.org/LVM |
| 21:11.53 | sney | useretail: try some stuff, if you get stuck ask the channel specific questions. |
| 21:12.15 | petn-randall | metbsd: Use whatever suits you best. But you'll have some issues in every distro. I've noticed that the least issues, or the easiest fixable issues are in Debian. YMMV. |
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| 21:25.39 | karlpinc | sney: Yes, vgchange -a is the "secret". (IIRC) |
| 21:26.43 | metbsd | petn-randall, should i try testing or unstable? |
| 21:26.50 | karlpinc | metbsd: You avoid (most) firmware issues by using the unoffical installer with non-free fimware included. |
| 21:26.57 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 21:26.57 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:27.26 | karlpinc | metbsd: What's "recommended" is stable, because it works and is for people who want something that "just works". |
| 21:27.29 | karlpinc | !stable |
| 21:27.29 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 21:28.06 | karlpinc | metbsd: Every now and then you find that a newer kernel helps. Get that from backports. |
| 21:28.08 | karlpinc | !backports |
| 21:28.08 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 21:28.35 | karlpinc | !debian backports |
| 21:28.35 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 21:29.21 | karlpinc | metbsd: The latter ^^ is where you get a newer kernel or something else newer when you need such. Note that the security team is not involved with backports. |
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| 21:31.36 | petn-randall | metbsd: I'd rather try fixing the issue, maybe trying a backports kernel and firmware. Testing is not a stable release. |
| 21:32.58 | metbsd | i enabled backports. apt update will get me latest kernel? |
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| 21:34.35 | petn-randall | metbsd: No, but https://backports.debian.org/ has instructions on how to do it. |
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| 21:40.09 | GenTooMan | petn-randall seems I had to use dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq on nginx-full nginx-light and nginx-extras or it would get caught in a broken install loop by installing packages each time I fixed.. bleah however the "issue" is gone. Oh well. It failed "ExecStart=/usr/sbin/nginx -g daemon on; master_process on; (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)" |
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| 21:41.19 | karlpinc | GenTooMan: On stable? |
| 21:42.44 | petn-randall | ,nginx-full |
| 21:42.59 | petn-randall | ,v nginx-full |
| 21:43.00 | judd | Package: nginx-full on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u6; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 1.14.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.2-2+deb10u1; buster-security: 1.14.2-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.18.0-1; sid: 1.18.0-1 |
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| 21:43.23 | petn-randall | GenTooMan: I'd be very surprised if the packages in stable are broken. |
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| 21:47.25 | brutser | i have on most my systems installed the ntfs-3g package, but i recently both experienced and got confirmed that this driver is not very good |
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| 21:47.45 | brutser | so now i wonder, if i apt purge and autoremove the package, how can i be 100% sure the driver is gone? |
| 21:48.01 | brutser | or, if i apt purge and autoremove, it IS gone? |
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| 22:02.01 | GenTooMan | I suspect it failed to start a service and everything afterward. |
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| 22:44.36 | metbsd | the latest 5.5 kernel fixed the problem |
| 22:44.51 | metbsd | but the glitch still there, no matter debian ubuntu or mint |
| 22:44.56 | metbsd | i think it's kernel bug |
| 22:46.22 | warsoul | hello |
| 22:46.26 | warsoul | just did a fresh install |
| 22:46.36 | warsoul | after boot and selecting debian on grub |
| 22:46.50 | warsoul | im getting black screen with blinking cursor |
| 22:52.46 | jmcnaught | warsoul: can you tell us anything about the computer, its GPU? Can you switch to other TTYs with [ctrl+]alt+F1 etc? |
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| 22:55.47 | metbsd | thanks for help guys |
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| 22:59.05 | metbsd | hopefully new so how do i keep up to date in backports |
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| 23:01.47 | coruja | metbsd, you want to read about apt pinning and /etc/apt/preferences[.d/] - or check for backports kernel updates and upgrade if available manually |
| 23:01.54 | warsoul | jmcnaught yest |
| 23:02.06 | warsoul | i can alt+f2 will take me to terminal |
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| 23:04.03 | grammoboy | I need some help upgrading qnap server from jessie to stretch. |
| 23:04.32 | grammoboy | python3-minimal segfaults and then I was smart enough to try to remove python2.7 ... |
| 23:04.37 | warsoul | jmcnaught i install netinstall with non free firmware |
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| 23:05.48 | grammoboy | https://pastebin.com/ms7MZGyz |
| 23:06.12 | grammoboy | now segmentation fault usr/bin/apt-listchanges |
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| 23:06.33 | warsoul | my gpu is a nvigia rtx 2060 super 8gb |
| 23:07.25 | coruja | warsoul, 'apt install inxi', then paste output of 'inxi -xxG' (which will show details of your gfx hard- and software) |
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| 23:18.13 | nemo | jmcnaught: FWIW, I gave backports an honest try even though I wasn't expecting much |
| 23:18.21 | nemo | jmcnaught: sure 'nuff still failed at acceleration |
| 23:18.40 | nemo | jmcnaught: reinstalled amdgpu-pro, and downgraded xorg with a pin to 1.19 and no more crashing and acceleration seems to be there |
| 23:18.43 | nemo | sooo yay |
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| 23:20.26 | nemo | if any other poor suckers are in a similar situation to me, it does seem to work and hasn't broken anything yet |
| 23:20.30 | nemo | crosses his fingers |
| 23:23.01 | warsoul | coruja: Device-1: NVIDIA vendor: micro-star msi driver: n/a bus id: 01:00.0 chip id: 10de:1f06 display: tty server:x.org 1.20.4 driver: nouveau,vesa unloaded: fbdev,modesetting alternate: nv tty: 128x48 |
| 23:23.33 | warsoul | message: advanced graphics data unavailable in console. Try -G --display |
| 23:26.48 | coruja | warsoul, i don't have any clue on nvidia hardware except for supposing that you may need some proprietry drivers (but probably some others here have) |
| 23:28.56 | coruja | warsoul, does an Xorg.0.log exist and if so can you paste that too (or look there for error messages first)? |
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| 23:29.16 | warsoul | coruja how do i look for it |
| 23:29.17 | warsoul | ? |
| 23:30.03 | coruja | in /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/ |
| 23:30.08 | warsoul | whereis Xorg |
| 23:30.36 | warsoul | /usr/bin/Xorg /usr/share/man/man1/Xorg.1.gz |
| 23:31.01 | coruja | nothing in the two dirs i mentioned? |
| 23:31.45 | warsoul | on first one |
| 23:31.48 | warsoul | /var/log |
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| 23:32.19 | grammoboy | https://pastebin.com/ya1U8W5F |
| 23:32.35 | grammoboy | W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (901 vs 905). |
| 23:32.35 | grammoboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.50 | grammoboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.57 | warsoul | how do i install the package to do copy to termbin.com |
| 23:33.09 | warsoul | Xorg.0.log has a lot |
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| 23:34.03 | coruja | warsoul, 'cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999' |
| 23:34.56 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/dgjo |
| 23:35.40 | warsoul | dvs hello buddy |
| 23:35.55 | karlpinc | ,pciid 10de:1f06 |
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| 23:35.56 | judd | [10de:1f06] is 'TU106 [GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1f06 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 23:37.02 | karlpinc | warsoul: so, it says you can use the nouveau driver, or if you want proprietary do -something- to make that work. There is an nvidia page on the debian wiki. |
| 23:37.26 | warsoul | karlpinc how can i fix it? |
| 23:37.51 | karlpinc | !nvidia |
| 23:37.51 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:38.26 | karlpinc | warsoul: I don't know much more than how to ask the bot for help. |
| 23:40.01 | dvs | warsoul, hi |
| 23:40.19 | warsoul | dvs do you know anything about nvidia with debian? |
| 23:40.34 | dvs | warsoul, nope, I only use AMD. |
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| 23:41.55 | coruja | ,i nvidia-detect |
| 23:41.56 | judd | Package nvidia-detect (non-free/x11, optional) in buster/amd64: NVIDIA GPU detection utility. Version: 418.113-1; Size: 202.8k; Installed: 261k; Homepage: https://www.nvidia.com |
| 23:42.15 | grammoboy | how do I reinstall the base packages for debian? |
| 23:42.31 | coruja | maybe this can tell you what's missing or which driver to install |
| 23:42.36 | grammoboy | I'm probably missing some, cause apt wants to autoremove a lot |
| 23:42.40 | coruja | warsoul, ^ |
| 23:44.27 | grammoboy | https://pastebin.com/ZzZbgJfC |
| 23:45.03 | grammoboy | missing some base packages, python2.7 related probably. |
| 23:45.15 | grammoboy | jessie -> stretch dist upgrade |
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| 23:48.52 | grammoboy | https://pastebin.com/sS9c11Rg |
| 23:49.23 | grammoboy | apt install --reinstall apt-listchanges |
| 23:49.34 | coruja | grammoboy, i suppose you've uninstalled something which we don't know about yet |
| 23:50.06 | warsoul | WORKED :) |
| 23:50.16 | grammoboy | coruja, yes, and python3 is messing with me |
| 23:50.32 | grammoboy | that's where it started |
| 23:50.51 | grammoboy | then I should have asked for help I guess... |
| 23:51.29 | grammoboy | coruja, I uninstalled pythong 2.7, which took some packages with it |
| 23:51.57 | coruja | grammoboy, then maybe reinstall python2.7 |
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| 23:53.00 | coruja | and maybe leave apt-listchanges, if i remember right it's quite broken (used to have it installed too long ago) |
| 23:58.02 | grammoboy | I did already reinstall python2.7, doesn't help |
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