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| 00:02.16 | coruja | grammoboy, try to remember or find out which packages have gone while uninstalling python2.7 |
| 00:03.03 | coruja | grammoboy, or try to find out what's missing now compared to your jessie system |
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| 00:05.38 | coruja | grammoboy, in case you want to risk to auto-remove the mentioned packages, you will be warned if you will remove essential packages, and you will probably have to install some packages again afterwards (which you have to do either way i guess) |
| 00:07.38 | coruja | but i don't think essential packages would be suggested for auto-removal anyway |
| 00:10.14 | grammoboy | will my system reboot, that's the question |
| 00:10.19 | grammoboy | atm |
| 00:10.57 | dvs | grammoboy, you're system will reboot. The question is will be come back? |
| 00:11.11 | grammoboy | right |
| 00:11.31 | coruja | as long as there is a boot loader, some kernel and systemd it should but to be sure better have a live media at hand |
| 00:11.38 | grammoboy | now it bleeps and I want to go to sleep |
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| 00:17.14 | grammoboy | it seems to reboot |
| 00:17.19 | grammoboy | so far so good I guess |
| 00:17.28 | grammoboy | more later |
| 00:17.29 | grammoboy | thx |
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| 00:48.06 | warsoul | coruja i install nvidia driver |
| 00:48.15 | warsoul | and everything work perfect :) |
| 00:48.16 | warsoul | thanks a lot |
| 00:48.29 | annadane | scowls. |
| 00:48.58 | coruja | warsoul, well done and you're welcome :) |
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| 00:54.53 | dvs | hmmmm, amazing what happens when you install the right driver |
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| 01:04.02 | warsoul | coruja cant change wallpaper |
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| 01:07.30 | coruja | warsoul, which desktop environment or window manager? |
| 01:07.40 | warsoul | xfce |
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| 01:08.34 | coruja | changing wallpaper in xfce settings doesn't do? |
| 01:10.03 | warsoul | no |
| 01:10.04 | annadane | what have you tried doing to change the wallpaper? |
| 01:10.08 | annadane | works here |
| 01:10.14 | warsoul | download a image |
| 01:10.23 | warsoul | cant selected to put it as wallpaper |
| 01:10.33 | annadane | do you click on it and nothing happens? |
| 01:10.39 | warsoul | nop |
| 01:10.44 | warsoul | exactly |
| 01:10.56 | annadane | no idea, it should work |
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| 01:12.02 | warsoul | annadane image is in .jpg format |
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| 01:36.02 | coruja | warsoul, though targetting ubuntu, does this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/990351/set-background-image-in-xfce4-ubuntu-16-04 |
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| 02:34.52 | wikan | do you know why ctrl+arrows deletes lines when I work with vim in tmux? |
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| 02:38.41 | wikan | found answer at #vim |
| 02:39.21 | annadane | !next |
| 02:39.21 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 02:40.06 | ryouma | what is a good lightweight screenshotter that i can crop without trouble? i use fluxbox. |
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| 02:44.14 | warsoul | https://www.linux.com/news/debian-linux-was-the-most-vulnerable-operating-system-in-the-last-20-years/ |
| 02:44.33 | warsoul | is that true? |
| 02:45.45 | sney | looks misleading. a total number of security flaws over a period of 20 years? a lot of that is going to be because debian has more people working on the OS who noticed the issues or acknowledged reports, etc |
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| 02:47.48 | tds | would also be curious as to what they consider a security flaw in debian - eg do you count every CVE in every package? |
| 02:48.23 | sney | doesn't say anything about the average time any of those vulnerabilities remained unpatched/unfixed. for all you know, the way they were even able to get that number from debian is because security is taken seriously and there's a tracker: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
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| 02:50.28 | oxek | what's the proper way of getting this on my debian installation? https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend |
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| 02:50.44 | tds | based on that article, it sounds like they used https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-23/product_id-36/Debian-Debian-Linux.html - which as expected, included CVEs for many many packaged applications |
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| 02:53.49 | sney | oxek: help it get packaged. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=960538 |
| 02:53.50 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/960538 in wnpp (open): «RFP: ffsend -- A fully featured Firefox Send command line client»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2020-05-13; last modified: 2020-05-13. |
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| 02:55.50 | oxek | sney: I don't know what help I could provide |
| 02:56.14 | tds | i'm not a rust person, but https://salsa.debian.org/rust-team/debcargo/ is probably a good starting point for packaging it |
| 02:56.16 | oxek | plus afaik it would only get packaged for testing, so I'd need to wait years |
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| 02:57.43 | tds | otherwise you could always get rust from debian, but build ffsend yourself |
| 02:58.34 | sney | once a package is debianized, even if it only lives on mentors.debian.net, it's usually possible to build it for any release within reason. but yes, if you're not a rust dev and/or you don't want to be a maintainer, tds's suggestion works too |
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| 03:01.06 | ryouma | somebody might put it in backports |
| 03:01.09 | ryouma | ? |
| 03:01.36 | annadane | they could, but it would get... rusty. |
| 03:01.39 | annadane | YEEEEEEEEAH! |
| 03:01.44 | sney | >:| |
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| 03:03.01 | tds | just try and avoid breaking anything system-wide, eg you almost certainly want rust from debian packages rather than rustup or something weird, and do your building somewhere sensible as an unpriv user :) |
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| 03:06.48 | UncleKiwi | hi - can i install zfs as root and boot etc |
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| 03:11.47 | sney | UncleKiwi: these instructions look pretty comprehensive. https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20Buster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html |
| 03:12.09 | sney | it's not supported through the debian installer though. |
| 03:12.47 | sney | just has a regular ext4 disk with the OS and then zfs volumes for data including /home |
| 03:17.12 | UncleKiwi | thanks sney |
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| 05:40.58 | Intelo | Whats wrong here? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XBCjZQxKFt/ |
| 05:45.32 | ansimita | Intelo: Seems like you don't have the appropriate permissions to write to the file. |
| 05:45.48 | Intelo | ansimita: its sudo |
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| 05:47.32 | ansimita | Intelo: Still doesn't mean you will have the appropriate permissions. |
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| 05:49.17 | Intelo | ansimita: what should be correct command? |
| 05:50.40 | ansimita | Intelo: IDK. |
| 05:51.11 | Intelo | ansimita: echo | sudo tee a- "GUACAMOLE_HOME=/etc/guacamole" >> /etc/default/tomcat9 > /dev/null |
| 05:53.03 | ansimita | Intelo: My method is usually: sudo sh -c "echo GUACAMOLE_HOME=/etc/guacamole >> /etc/default/tomcat9" |
| 05:54.18 | Intelo | k |
| 05:54.29 | Intelo | I just did sudo su |
| 05:54.33 | Intelo | then ran command of echo |
| 05:55.00 | Katana_Steel | echo GUACAMOLE_HOME=/etc/guacamole | sudo tee -a /etc/default/tomcat9 |
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| 05:56.39 | Katana_Steel | Output redirects are done as the current user, even when using sudo |
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| 05:57.50 | Katana_Steel | Using tee with sudo, tee gets permission as root to open the file and write to it |
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| 05:59.03 | Katana_Steel | And -a is the append flag for tee, analogous to the >> output redirect |
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| 06:47.29 | themill | EvanCarroll: you can change that config in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf but as the man page says, it's not considered secure |
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| 06:49.25 | themill | (also, it's --tlsv1.2 not -2 that you want) |
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| 07:04.41 | EvanCarroll | What I wanted was `--ciphers DEFAULT@SECLEVEL=1` |
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| 07:04.46 | cpwho | hi |
| 07:04.50 | EvanCarroll | well, that worked anyway. |
| 07:05.26 | cpwho | how i turn sistem massage off? in HexChat? |
| 07:05.46 | EvanCarroll | I mean if we're going to change the default from upstream curl, we should documented it in `man curl`. I assume everyone will think the `-k` flag controls this, so it'd be good to have a mention there too |
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| 07:06.31 | Johann | EvanCarroll: it's a change in OpenSSL, not curl |
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| 07:08.30 | EvanCarroll | ah |
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| 07:09.11 | annadane | cpwho, might want to ask #hexchat |
| 07:09.30 | cpwho | ok thx |
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| 07:12.56 | Johann | EvanCarroll: the issue here, is that the server DH key is only 1024 bits which is not allowed by SECLEVEL=2 (the new default in openssl in debian). |
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| 07:58.21 | inch | When preseeding debian, what is the best way of telling which block device debian is being installed to? I'd like to preseed an installation that boots in both bios and efi. |
| 07:59.00 | inch | I try to make that happen by running grub-install --target=i386-pc in late_command |
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| 08:29.44 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 08:30.19 | darsie | overcast morning |
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| 08:37.56 | cusco | hello! I'm not used to dealing with postgres, however I'm now trying some django stuff that uses it, so I installed a local server.. Now it seems I have two servers,, version 11 and version 12 |
| 08:38.07 | no_gravity | I noticed that prefixing grep with "LANG=C" doubles its performance. I wonder if there is a downside of doing so. |
| 08:38.27 | cusco | my question is: can I uninstall one of them? how do I know my django will still be having its data on version 12? |
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| 08:57.26 | miskatonic | does LANG=C handle unicode? |
| 08:58.26 | n_1-c_k | cusco, see /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz and postgresql-common(7) |
| 08:58.38 | themill | indeed it does not; ranges like [a-z] have a different meaning in different locales too |
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| 09:03.37 | miskatonic | so there is already one potential downside |
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| 10:03.18 | isshi | exit |
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| 10:05.20 | Yruama | hello, can remember me the debian bug tracker ? |
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| 10:10.20 | ksk | !bts |
| 10:10.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 10:10.25 | ksk | Yruama: ^ |
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| 10:11.23 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: yes, the man page for that file calls them aliases |
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| 10:17.08 | Intelo | Whats the best and easiest way to setup a remote desktop? VNC? if so, which one? |
| 10:17.19 | Yruama | i did the upgrade to debian 10 yesterday, and i have an USB3 issue, my usb3 key and dique aren't recognized when i use them with my USB3 hub |
| 10:17.43 | ksk | Intelo: the freedom of linux is that you have all the ways to reach your goal ;) |
| 10:18.04 | ksk | there is X-forwarding, or using vnx. I used xtightvnc in the past for example - but I am sure others are also good. |
| 10:18.05 | Intelo | ksk: and theres only one best way |
| 10:18.19 | ksk | Intelo: but only for your setup. Setups differ. |
| 10:18.24 | Intelo | hm |
| 10:18.34 | Intelo | xtightvnc vs tightvnc? |
| 10:19.15 | Intelo | ksk: why not just tightvnc? |
| 10:19.24 | Intelo | ksk: I am trying guacamole |
| 10:19.29 | Intelo | for that I need vnc |
| 10:20.29 | ksk | tightvncserver is the servers package, and xtightvncviewer is the client package. calling them like "apt show package" can tell you that much |
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| 10:21.44 | ksk | "Apache Guacamole is a clientless remote desktop gateway." mhhm that looks interesting indeed, gonna check that out myself. |
| 10:22.21 | ksk | https://wiki.debian.org/Guacamole says it supports ssh - did you try just using that? |
| 10:23.38 | ksk | and I dont know about the names, ask the author of the software. Maybe because that client is meant to be run inside an X-Server environment (indicating there could be another, thats not in linux - maybe windows?). |
| 10:24.21 | ksk | but yeah, a little confusing :) |
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| 10:34.49 | An0nyM0u5 | Im having a weird issue: clean install of kali, when i try to download via the web browser, the wifi network seems to hang and will only work again if i disconnect and reconnect to the wifi router.Any suggestions on how to resolve ? |
| 10:35.46 | ksk | !kali |
| 10:35.47 | dpkg | Kali Linux (https://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support here in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 10:38.17 | An0nyM0u5 | ksk - lol, i have asked there too. kali based on debian so... and this is a wifi/networking issue, the base build is the same |
| 10:38.22 | ksk | ,v guacamole |
| 10:38.23 | judd | Package: guacamole on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.3-1.1; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.9.9+dfsg-1 |
| 10:38.43 | ksk | Intelo: guacamole is not in debian stable btw, how did you plan on installing it? |
| 10:39.12 | ksk | !based on debian |
| 10:39.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:39.52 | ksk | An0nyM0u5: I do understand your viewpoint, please try to understand ours. maybe the debian wiki articles (About wifi) can give you a hunch on how to debug wifi, but stuff in there might or might just not apply to kali. |
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| 10:49.14 | robi | how can i autoremove packages i installed via build-dep? |
| 10:52.03 | nkuttler | good question. i always write them down.. |
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| 10:52.27 | robi | darn |
| 10:52.37 | robi | i hope my scrollback has the output |
| 10:52.44 | nkuttler | robi: see also /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:52.45 | robi | i just ran ./configure too ;( |
| 10:52.50 | robi | nkuttler: ah, that's helpful |
| 10:53.09 | nkuttler | you shouldn't run configure manually though, apt can build for you |
| 10:53.16 | nkuttler | well, unless you want to i guess |
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| 10:53.37 | robi | not a package in the repos |
| 10:53.49 | robi | or rather, a development version |
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| 10:57.29 | Intelo | ksk: ok on tightvnc, ssh works with guacamole after openssh-server installed. Now need to install vnc in order for it to use that too. I compiled from source |
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| 11:05.36 | Intelo | ksk: let me know when you have tried it! |
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| 11:05.52 | Intelo | ksk: if you have compared it with x2go, great |
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| 11:21.47 | jmd | What does qa.debian.org mean when it says "The build logs contains a like like " ? |
| 11:21.58 | jmd | What is a "like like" ? |
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| 11:26.01 | netcrash | *jessie |
| 11:29.13 | coruja | !bat |
| 11:29.14 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 11:34.41 | netcrash | https://paste.debian.net/1150097/ |
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| 11:48.09 | miskatonic | finally removed systemd. I guess removing udev results in an unbootable kernel image, so i better don't try |
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| 12:04.27 | RoyK | miskatonic: what's the point of removing systemd? it works :) |
| 12:06.18 | miskatonic | systemd is part of Pottering's efforts to turn linux into a clone of windows |
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| 12:18.36 | sgo11 | What are `iwlwifi_1-virtual-0` and `pch_cannonlake-virtual-0` in sensors output? It shows a high temperature value 66.0°C. Should I care? The stdout of sensors: https://paste.debian.net/1150115/ |
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| 12:22.53 | ratrace | miskatonic: #devuan is that way tho --> |
| 12:24.13 | ada_lovelace | hey y'all, thanks for being awesome. does anyone know of a sip and/or sms and/or signal-app oriented channel/irc-server? |
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| 13:21.56 | RoyK | miskatonic: no, it's not |
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| 13:29.03 | ratrace | RoyK: trollz be trollin' tho :) |
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| 13:42.08 | mason | continues to be happy ignoring nick changes. |
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| 13:46.43 | ratrace | doesn't think mason's doing a good job of ignoring :) |
| 13:47.51 | mason | ratrace: I only see the discussion, not the cause. |
| 13:48.36 | sgo11 | should I repost my queston because of the flood? |
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| 13:48.44 | mason | If I were an op I wouldn't have the luxury, but, well, there we are. |
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| 13:49.27 | mason | sgo11: Yeah, looks like temperature sensors. |
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| 13:50.05 | mason | sgo11: Web searches show people talking about these, looking at fans, etc. |
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| 14:02.48 | sgo11 | mason: thanks for the reply. so what are they actually? It's 60 degree all the time. I thought it was some fake device because it has virtual keyword in it. |
| 14:04.09 | mason | sgo11: I'm not sure how the naming arises, but I'd want to look at normal operating temperatures and see how far you are from them, and look at overall cooling as your response since you won't have dedicated fans. |
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| 14:07.26 | sgo11 | mason: sorry, I don't fully understand what you mean. How do I know the normal operating temperature? I don't know what they are. |
| 14:08.32 | mason | sgo11: Dunno, looking at things like https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Business-PCs-Workstations-and-Point-of-Sale-Systems/High-PCH-Temperature/td-p/6911730 will be useful |
| 14:08.43 | mason | sgo11: obtained via a search for pch_cannonlake-virtual-0 |
| 14:09.15 | mason | https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-15-9570-i9-overheating-solved-with-undervolting-technique/td-p/7198686 looks good too |
| 14:10.35 | sgo11 | One more question regarding storing ssh passphrase in gpg-agent (or gpg store). I followed one article and enabled gpg-agent to my ssh, this is the result https://paste.debian.net/1150145/ But this doesn't do anything. I still need to enter ssh passphrase everytime. (What I want to achieve is storing the password in some key store forever. so I no longer need to enter it on every reboot) Thanks. |
| 14:10.43 | blurkis | sgo11: some suggestion upon google those in your sensors that are not the cpu: motherboard and wifi chipset? |
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| 14:11.23 | sgo11 | mason: thanks a lot. I will check those URLs. |
| 14:11.52 | mason | sgo11: Things might have changed, but gpg-agent has been painful for me when I've tried to use it with ssh, so after some effort I stopped trying and went back to ssh-agent. |
| 14:12.24 | sgo11 | blurkis: Is that normal if motherboard and wifi chipset are 65.0°C just after boot? That sounds too high to me. This is a new laptop I bought. |
| 14:13.19 | sgo11 | mason: with ssh-agent, I still need to enter the passphrase once on every reboot. How to avoid it? I don't find a solution yet in debian. In MacOS, it's very simple. Just adding `-A` argument to ssh-add. That's all. |
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| 14:14.09 | mason | sgo11: The only way to avoid it would be to store the passphrase on disk, and you don't want to do that. |
| 14:14.22 | mason | sgo11: If you were to do that, you might as well just use passwordless keys. |
| 14:15.04 | blurkis | sgo11: would assume its ok. Dont fix whats not broken. :) |
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| 14:16.49 | sgo11 | mason: what MacOS did is simple. It has a built-in keyring store. It stores the ssh passphrase in the keyring store. System login will unlock the keyring store. I would like to achieve the same in debian. This is just similar concept to ecryptfs. |
| 14:17.18 | sgo11 | blurkis: yeah, right. :) I am just curious. |
| 14:18.51 | mason | sgo11: So, you're still logging in there. There's still something protecting the key. Maybe what you want to do is look at G.N.O.M.E.'s keyring or something similar that'll integrate with login. |
| 14:19.08 | blurkis | sgo11: actually cannonlake might be the GPU. Some suggests that on google. |
| 14:19.44 | miskatonic | is storing the passphrase to an USB stick possible? |
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| 14:20.46 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 14:20.49 | mason | miskatonic: Anything's a SMOP. Depends on your goals. |
| 14:20.53 | b1ack0p | what was the package name for screenshot app? |
| 14:21.06 | b1ack0p | gnome had one as i remember but i am on xfce |
| 14:21.11 | b1ack0p | xfce also had similar to gnomes i guess |
| 14:21.39 | sgo11 | mason: yeah, I heard gnome keyring by search. I just want to avoid installing too much gnome. I am running xfce. maybe gnome keyring is the only solution. I have to look into it. |
| 14:21.39 | miskatonic | scrot can do screenshots |
| 14:21.41 | mason | b1ack0p: I like scrot for the purpose, but you might be talking about xfce4-screenshooter |
| 14:21.56 | phorce1 | anybody having trouble connecting to https sites with CLI utilities like wget and rsstail --- getting a certificate is expired error even though a browser connects fine and shows a good certificate? |
| 14:22.02 | b1ack0p | well it had options to grab entire screen or select area |
| 14:22.06 | b1ack0p | and save in pictures |
| 14:22.12 | b1ack0p | how is the scrot? |
| 14:22.18 | mason | b1ack0p: Does all that. |
| 14:22.30 | b1ack0p | actually i am looking something similar to Greenshot but it doesnt have linux pack |
| 14:22.34 | b1ack0p | do you know greenshot? |
| 14:23.09 | sgo11 | blurkis: ok. The name virtual device makes me think it's not a real device. |
| 14:23.10 | miskatonic | i only know that scrot is DE agnostic |
| 14:23.24 | mason | b1ack0p: try scrot - so far it's got the lion's share of votes in here. :P |
| 14:23.37 | b1ack0p | ookk |
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| 14:24.12 | sgo11 | I think you can simply press PrtSc button. It will call xfce4-screenshooter for you. |
| 14:25.17 | b1ack0p | mason: how to run it? |
| 14:25.19 | miskatonic | according to aptituude: scrot (SCReen shOT) is a simple command line screen capture utility that uses imlib2 to grab and save images. Multiple image formats are supported through imlib2's dynamic saver modules. |
| 14:25.33 | b1ack0p | how to attend to prtscr key? |
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| 14:28.07 | sgo11 | b1ack0p: sorry, I am not a native English speaker. What do you mean by "how to attend to prtscr key?" |
| 14:28.13 | b1ack0p | miskatonic: i wanna use prtscr key.. |
| 14:28.21 | b1ack0p | to take screenshots |
| 14:28.32 | mason | b1ack0p: Most window managers (and XFCE as I remember) give you a way to attach commands to hotkeys. A quick search shows a bunch of options for XFCE. I'd recommend setting keys for scrot -s, scrot -u, and other options in case you want to select, have a time delay, get the whole screen, etc. |
| 14:28.33 | b1ack0p | miskatonic: well i tried scrot on terminal but nothing happened |
| 14:28.45 | b1ack0p | where does it stores the screenshots? not in pictures folder it seems |
| 14:28.49 | b1ack0p | sgo11: i am not native as well |
| 14:28.49 | mason | b1ack0p: Look at ~/*scrot* now. |
| 14:29.11 | mason | b1ack0p: run it as "scrot -s" to select a box for capture |
| 14:29.29 | b1ack0p | oh it stores in /home/user dir |
| 14:29.39 | greycat | b1ack0p: in the directory where you ran scrot, of course |
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| 14:30.03 | miskatonic | if xfce comes with its own screenshooter, the latter is probably preferrable over any third-party tool. |
| 14:30.04 | b1ack0p | well scrot is not my taste |
| 14:30.12 | greycat | Then use whatever you like. |
| 14:30.12 | b1ack0p | it doesnt let me select area by mouse |
| 14:30.18 | greycat | It does, if you use -s. |
| 14:30.19 | b1ack0p | yea better use other one |
| 14:30.23 | b1ack0p | i did -s |
| 14:30.29 | greycat | Then you're just lying. |
| 14:30.34 | b1ack0p | it just selected the area where mouse pointer is |
| 14:30.42 | bjarne333 | I suddenly one day started receiving daily emails from unattended upgrades: "Unattended upgrade returned: None". How does that happen? (debian 8) |
| 14:30.46 | b1ack0p | i never lie greycat |
| 14:30.56 | b1ack0p | especially about such things |
| 14:31.02 | b1ack0p | not necessary to lie |
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| 14:31.24 | sgo11 | The default xfce4-screenshooter is pretty good. Let you choose where to save, where to capture. |
| 14:31.30 | greycat | (1) open terminal. (2) type "scrot -s". (3) drag a rectangle with the mouse button 1 held down. (4) release mouse button 1. (5) your file is ready. |
| 14:31.52 | b1ack0p | why the hell it opens pictures in firefox |
| 14:31.57 | sgo11 | do you have a PrtSc key? Just press it. b1ack0p |
| 14:32.02 | b1ack0p | xfce didnt install some things by default i think |
| 14:32.12 | miskatonic | what is the prtscr key? is it only available on multimedia keyboards? |
| 14:32.13 | b1ack0p | sgo11: yes |
| 14:32.44 | greycat | miskatonic: it's called "Print Screen" on my keyboard. |
| 14:33.00 | sgo11 | miskatonic: it's: xdotool key Print |
| 14:33.18 | greycat | miskatonic: on my keyboard, it's to the right of F12 (with a small gap between them). |
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| 14:33.47 | LtL | b1ack0p: what desktop do you use? |
| 14:34.00 | greycat | they said xfce multiple times, so I'm guessing xfce |
| 14:34.07 | LtL | sorry |
| 14:34.13 | b1ack0p | LtL: xfce |
| 14:34.17 | b1ack0p | well about scrot |
| 14:34.51 | LtL | b1ack0p: xfce4-screenshooter and xfce4-goodies |
| 14:34.59 | b1ack0p | to use scrot it needs terminal and when i make -s it takes current terminal screen only |
| 14:35.17 | b1ack0p | how will i take scr for another passive item ? |
| 14:35.21 | b1ack0p | something else? |
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| 14:35.53 | miskatonic | does xfce not allow to assign hotkeys to commands? |
| 14:35.54 | b1ack0p | scrot is terminal based only right? so i cant use it by PrtScr key? |
| 14:36.06 | b1ack0p | miskatonic: it allows |
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| 14:36.25 | greycat | You can bind a key to run this command. That's what people are telling you to do. |
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| 14:36.43 | b1ack0p | xfce4-goodies already installed |
| 14:36.50 | LtL | b1ack0p: xfce4-screenshooter |
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| 14:37.16 | b1ack0p | oh i already have screenshooter installed |
| 14:37.18 | b1ack0p | but |
| 14:37.23 | b1ack0p | why doesnt key work? |
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| 14:38.04 | LtL | b1ack0p: hrm, printscreen always worked for me on xfce4 |
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| 14:38.18 | b1ack0p | it doesnt work for me now.. |
| 14:38.21 | b1ack0p | weird |
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| 14:40.00 | sgo11 | b1ack0p: execute xfce4-keyboard-settings |
| 14:40.05 | miskatonic | check the settings or configuration files? |
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| 14:40.35 | b1ack0p | https://imgur.com/zUNPNmf |
| 14:40.39 | sgo11 | b1ack0p: in Application Shortcuts tab, check the key binding of xfce4-screenshooter |
| 14:40.54 | b1ack0p | sgo11: there is no key binding for screenshooter |
| 14:41.43 | sgo11 | b1ack0p: in xfce4-keyboard-settings ? then add it by yourself. it should be there though. |
| 14:41.57 | b1ack0p | i added now |
| 14:42.07 | b1ack0p | it was not added by default |
| 14:42.20 | b1ack0p | so now i need an image viewer |
| 14:42.34 | b1ack0p | i forgot the name but gnome or something else had one |
| 14:42.44 | b1ack0p | icon was like orange sunset |
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| 14:42.56 | b1ack0p | what was the name of the image viewer pack? |
| 14:42.57 | miskatonic | feh maybe? |
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| 14:43.08 | sgo11 | I like sxiv. |
| 14:43.08 | b1ack0p | no |
| 14:43.23 | b1ack0p | it was somethig different |
| 14:44.04 | sgo11 | nomacs, gthumb, eog, gqview, sxiv |
| 14:44.21 | b1ack0p | non |
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| 14:46.28 | miskatonic | gimp may also view images but is an overkill if it is just for viewing them |
| 14:47.46 | b1ack0p | gimp is not an image viewer! |
| 14:47.47 | EdePopede | geeqie to add another one to the list |
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| 14:48.13 | b1ack0p | well someone in #xfce recommended in past but i forgot the name |
| 14:48.17 | b1ack0p | it had sunset icon |
| 14:48.23 | b1ack0p | orange or blueish |
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| 14:50.58 | sgo11 | what is the recommended keyring program to store my ssh passphrase? Do I really need to install gnome keyring? |
| 14:51.47 | EdePopede | isn't mspaint on github? ;) |
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| 14:53.09 | greycat | ssh-agent and ssh-add exist |
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| 14:55.12 | sgo11 | greycat: I don't want to enter passprase on every reboot. |
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| 15:01.37 | sgo11 | I am running xfce. Is installing gnome-keyring enough for it to store my ssh passphrase and unlock upon login? or do I have to install seahorse too? Thanks. |
| 15:01.54 | kieto | Hi! How can I know which gnutls package is using the wget binary? I want to upgrade gnutls to the latest version so that it reflects on wget SSL verification, but there are many *gnutls* packages installed on the system |
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| 15:03.30 | karlpinc | kieto: Why not let the debian security team take care of it? |
| 15:03.53 | kieto | karlpinc: because I need to test if this would solve my issue |
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| 15:05.16 | karlpinc | kieto: I'd compile gnutls from source, and wget, and statically link. |
| 15:05.40 | sgo11 | damn. anyway. ignore my question. I have both seahorse and gnome-keyring installed. I never knew.. |
| 15:06.42 | sgo11 | damn. gnome-keyring-daemon process is actually running by default. but why doesn't it remember my ssh passphrase? |
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| 15:11.35 | b1ack0p | is this happening because of poor gpu? https://imgur.com/a/ShwDx0e |
| 15:11.39 | b1ack0p | or something else? |
| 15:12.19 | lawr3nce | black0p what's your bash command? |
| 15:12.27 | b1ack0p | mpv url |
| 15:12.47 | b1ack0p | i mean mpv is corrupting while playing yt url |
| 15:12.51 | b1ack0p | why is that? |
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| 15:17.31 | karlpinc | kieto: (And not install any of it.) |
| 15:17.46 | karlpinc | kieto: See otherwise, <stow>, etc. |
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| 15:19.13 | lawr3nce | black0p is gpu hw acceleration working properly? |
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| 15:22.50 | EdePopede | happening all the time here when i switch desktops. even with terminals, but it's notmal in firefox. |
| 15:23.07 | EdePopede | only thing new to me is that it overlays the titlebar |
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| 15:27.28 | Mate_cz | Hello, sorry for the noob question - I have a distro based on debian - devuan on arm machine. Does anybody knows the easy way to expand sd card to full size (from 2GB to 16GB)? gparted is not included. Can creat wpa_supplicant to connext to wifi. Theres no gui in the distro.. thanks in advance |
| 15:27.46 | dvs | !devuan |
| 15:27.47 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 15:28.23 | Mate_cz | ok, thx for channel |
| 15:29.22 | jmcnaught | sgo11: did you get a prompt to unlock the keyring? Have you started a new session since installing it? If you look in seahorse is there a section for SSH keys, is it empty? |
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| 15:31.55 | grammoboy | I tried to dist upgrade from jessie to stretch, got some python 3 problems, removed python 2.7 and later reinstalled it. Now apt wants to autoremove a lot of packages and my qnap server keep beeping |
| 15:31.56 | grammoboy | https://pastebin.com/imcCs1bh |
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| 15:41.15 | miskatonic | mark those packages as manually installed which you don't want ti be removed |
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| 15:42.45 | bjarne333 | im unable to ssh with my public key. I have tried everything. pls help |
| 15:43.18 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 15:44.04 | grammoboy | miskatonic, i've no idea if I need these packages. Probably missing one somewher |
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| 15:53.09 | miskatonic | I don't see a connection to python for most of the packages in grammoboy's file |
| 15:53.51 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: I would probably check that at least all of the packages in the priorities required, important and standard are installed. If you have aptitude installed you can do that with a command like "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" |
| 15:54.35 | grammoboy | and the qnap keeps beeping, red flash every 0.5 sec, beep 1.5 sec. Raid related? hmm |
| 15:54.57 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: have you checked the journal or syslog? |
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| 15:55.31 | grammoboy | jmcnaught, no, I'm not a real expert... will check how to check them |
| 15:56.39 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: you can follow the journal live with "journalctl -f" or "tail -f /var/log/syslog" to watch for errors. "man journalctl" for the various filters you can use to narrow things down. |
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| 16:00.04 | bjarne333 | greycat: thanks. turns out the user's $HOME is pointing to /var/www/app |
| 16:03.35 | grammoboy | what is idA for apt? |
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| 16:04.30 | b1ack0p | which music player is good? is rhythymbox ok? |
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| 16:06.27 | grammoboy | jmcnaught, these packages from the aptitude search command are not installed: |
| 16:06.28 | grammoboy | aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 16:06.31 | grammoboy | bzip2 hdparm libasprintf0v5 libkadm5clnt-mit11 libkadm5srv-mit11 libkdb5-8 libkrad0 libswitch-perl libwgdb0 |
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| 16:11.01 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: "apt show <package>" can tell you about each one. You probably want bzip2, and hdparm might be handy on a NAS. Some of the others look kerberos related, I don't know if you're using that. |
| 16:11.20 | grammoboy | installling them, doesn't change much for apt, still wants to autoremove |
| 16:11.49 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: the packages that apt wants to autoremove are dependencies of other packages that used to be installed (but aren't one of those priorities). |
| 16:12.49 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: there are apt logs in /var/log/apt, you could look around in there and see what got removed. |
| 16:13.05 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: is your system in a half-upgraded state between jessie and stretch? |
| 16:13.38 | grammoboy | jmcnaught, it was half-upgrade, but now 'all packages are up-to-date' |
| 16:14.06 | grammoboy | and it boots at least, with ssh working |
| 16:14.23 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: you did the "apt-get dist-upgrade" step as well? |
| 16:14.34 | grammoboy | jmcnaught, yes |
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| 16:15.41 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: it sounds like you're not in that bad a shape then, you probably just need to make sure that packages that you care about are installed. Looking in /var/log/apt might help you remember if you forget. |
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| 16:16.06 | grammoboy | ouch: Jun 4 18:15:42 debian qcontrol[390]: ts209: fan error |
| 16:16.20 | grammoboy | that caused the beeping probably |
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| 16:17.10 | miskatonic | yeah, no trickery with apt can repair defective hardware |
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| 16:18.10 | grammoboy | there are two problems, one hardware apparently, and one with apt. If those packages shouldn't have been removed during the dist upgrade, but I doubt so, cause libasound2 etc seems to be pretty usual stuff available |
| 16:18.56 | grammoboy | so a fan error.... hmm.... meh |
| 16:19.31 | jmcnaught | grammoboy: did you say something earlier about having to remove and reinstall python2.7? That's what I would try to zero in on in the apt logs. |
| 16:20.11 | grammoboy | jmcnaught, yes, did dive in the logs.. will do again. |
| 16:20.14 | grammoboy | jmcnaught, thx |
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| 16:25.17 | grammoboy | hmm https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712841 |
| 16:25.18 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/712841 in qcontrol (closed, upstream, help): «qcontrol: Fan error reported on fan-less devices (TS-109, HS-210)»; severity: important; opened: 2013-06-20; last modified: 2018-06-29. |
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| 16:28.40 | grammoboy | mine has a fan apparently |
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| 16:36.59 | grammoboy | could the failing nas fan, also be a kernel problem (missing modules?) |
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| 16:42.14 | grammoboy | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=930752 |
| 16:42.15 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/930752 in libkmod2 (open, wontfix): «increases size of initrd considerably since linking with OpenSSL»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2019-06-19; last modified: 2020-04-18. |
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| 16:42.30 | grammoboy | I had to set MODULES=dep |
| 16:42.44 | grammoboy | COMPRESS=xz |
| 16:42.59 | grammoboy | in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 16:44.07 | Yruama | hi, can i have some help to if a bug already exist and then report it ? |
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| 16:45.21 | Yruama | i have a USB3 bug when using recent kernel |
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| 16:49.19 | karlpinc | Yruama: Check bugs.debian.org |
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| 16:51.42 | Yruama | karlpinc, unable to make a search by bug subject i get " An error occurred. Error was: You have to choose something to select by" |
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| 17:05.54 | anakimluke | Hello! I noticed an outdated link on a package info. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/lfm where do I report/change it? |
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| 17:07.10 | greycat | If it's a link to where jessie's source came from, it's just a historical relic. |
| 17:07.24 | greycat | ,info lfm |
| 17:07.25 | judd | Package lfm (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: simple but powerful file manager for the UNIX console. Version: 3.1-2; Size: 73.2k; Installed: 288k; Homepage: https://inigo.katxi.org/devel/lfm/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/lfm |
| 17:09.07 | greycat | I imagine you're talking about the "Homepage" link. Note that the stretch version of the page has a different Homepage link already. |
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| 17:13.12 | anakimluke | right! thanks greycat! years of doing linux and I still don't fully understand packages webpages.. :) |
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| 17:17.06 | miskatonic | lfm is new in buster, no such thing for stretch |
| 17:17.47 | jmcnaught | ,v lfm |
| 17:17.49 | judd | Package: lfm on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3-1; stretch: 3.0-1; bullseye: 3.1-2; buster: 3.1-2; sid: 3.1-2 |
| 17:19.00 | greycat | a link to the packages page for jessie was already given... it's mind-boggling, what did you do that led you to think it didn't exist before buster? |
| 17:19.56 | miskatonic | because judd only mentioned lfm on Buster |
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| 17:20.25 | greycat | the ,info trigger only shows info for one version |
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| 17:31.45 | Yruama | hi again , need help to fill a bug report |
| 17:32.10 | sney | !reportbug |
| 17:32.10 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 17:32.33 | sney | what step are you stuck on? |
| 17:33.18 | Yruama | sney "do the following apply to this bug report?" |
| 17:33.36 | Yruama | none of item seems to correspond |
| 17:33.54 | sney | then the answer is no, I believe you press 'n' |
| 17:34.25 | Yruama | sney it's a list of choice |
| 17:34.26 | prp-e | Well guys, first of all Hello! Second, I am currently working on a debian based distribution (two actually) and I used Will Haley's guide to create a bootable disc. But after making the ISO by following his instruction, we had difficulties on UEFI machines (they even didn't recognize the USB flash as bootable!) so I am here to ask how I can make |
| 17:34.26 | prp-e | that filesystem.squashfs thing to a reasonable and usable live disc? (For future reference, here is the link : https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/) |
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| 17:34.57 | sney | Yruama: have you tried pressing n? |
| 17:35.13 | Yruama | sney, doesn't do anything |
| 17:35.27 | sney | then just press enter without selecting any of the choices |
| 17:36.02 | Yruama | sney, thnak seems okay |
| 17:36.34 | Yruama | sney, the first time i get this menu an item was selected and i wasn't able to have nothing selected |
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| 17:36.58 | Yruama | f*** not time , i need to go |
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| 17:54.14 | prp-e | If anyone has an answer for my question, please feel free to ping me. |
| 17:55.51 | sney | prp-e: questions about debian-live internals are probably more appropriate in #debian-live on OFTC. "based on debian" is generally not supported at all in official debian channels though. |
| 17:56.10 | prp-e | Fine, thanks. |
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| 18:15.35 | cheapie | Hmm, I've never ran the Debian installer in low-memory mode before... this might be interesting :P |
| 18:16.52 | RoyK | cheapie: how much memory? |
| 18:17.25 | cheapie | RoyK: 84MiB, Debian 8 i386 |
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| 18:17.41 | dvs | O_O |
| 18:17.53 | dvs | I hope you're missing a digit |
| 18:18.06 | cheapie | I'm not :P |
| 18:18.33 | RoyK | cheapie: nice :D |
| 18:18.44 | RoyK | cheapie: what sort of cpu? |
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| 18:18.56 | cheapie | 24 soldered + 64 socketed = 88, - 4 for the iGPU = 84 |
| 18:19.01 | piotr | hello |
| 18:19.01 | cheapie | RoyK: SiS550 |
| 18:19.10 | RoyK | cheapie: I would guess you should add a truckload of swap before starting |
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| 18:19.26 | Dum | im asking for raspbian, but it's based on debian so i might get lucky |
| 18:19.31 | cheapie | I'm coming up to the part of the installer now where I can create some swap. |
| 18:19.32 | dvs | It doesn't meet minimum requirements: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.en.html |
| 18:19.42 | FIlystyn | Some time ago when you looked for debian install every link you got from debian site would follow you up to |
| 18:19.46 | FIlystyn | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 18:19.52 | cheapie | dvs: I'm not installing stable, I'm installing oldoldstable. |
| 18:19.57 | FIlystyn | or simpler tree of files to download |
| 18:19.57 | dvs | !raspbian |
| 18:19.58 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:20.00 | FIlystyn | and now |
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| 18:20.18 | Dum | dvs but you don't even know what i'm about to ask. |
| 18:20.30 | Dum | i mean, it's most likely the very same as debian, and i'd be okay with a debian-answer |
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| 18:20.42 | FIlystyn | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 18:20.48 | FIlystyn | you end up in this fucking shit |
| 18:21.01 | FIlystyn | And lose time to find proper download site link |
| 18:21.03 | cheapie | FIlystyn: What are you looking for? |
| 18:21.13 | FIlystyn | Nothing. I already found |
| 18:21.18 | FIlystyn | Im complaining |
| 18:21.32 | Dum | anyways, i'm okay with answers that are "debian-only". |
| 18:21.33 | Dum | i'm trying to achieve a setup where my external usb disk will hold *all* of the data (except maybe /boot), and it will be encrypted with LUKS, and the keyfile will be on the SD card (which is basically always available in /dev/mmcblk0 like any other disk). are there any decent guides for doing this? |
| 18:22.06 | dvs | Dum, please ask #raspbin |
| 18:22.44 | Dum | dvs don't give me a hard time for no reason... i'm asking for debian now. |
| 18:23.11 | cheapie | IIRC for Debian the installer lets you select this during installation. |
| 18:23.22 | dvs | alright, I'lll just wait for an op |
| 18:25.46 | cheapie | Meanwhile over here, the installer successfully created and enabled the swap partition, so memory isn't such a problem now. It's now (very, very slowly) continuing with the installation as normal. |
| 18:26.40 | cheapie | Note that I'm not expecting this to yield a usable system - I just want to see if I can get it to run at all, which it should. |
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| 18:26.58 | dvs | kaboom! |
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| 18:29.04 | cheapie | For added performance (or lack thereof) it's installing over USB 1.1. |
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| 18:36.29 | greycat | I don't get it. "I know I'm in the wrong place, and I know what the right place is, but I'm going to stay here and harass you until an op kicks me out!" |
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| 18:36.36 | greycat | What is the rationale behind this? |
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| 18:36.53 | dvs | Entitlement |
| 18:38.08 | cheapie | I'd understand it if Raspbian was *just* Debian tweaked to run properly on those fruit boards, but it seems like their devs try to screw it up as much as possible out of the box and so it's really not. |
| 18:39.19 | greycat | Or if the question was *actually* generic, like "how do I tell apt to skip Recommends"... but no, it's about the *installer* and it's about some *weird* setup. |
| 18:39.34 | greycat | 100% non-generic. |
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| 19:03.28 | ghormoon | hi, when setting scaling mode with xrandr, can i somehow set what is supposed to be the display resolution? because it obviously scales to wrong one |
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| 19:16.59 | _0xbadc0de_ | hello |
| 19:17.45 | _0xbadc0de_ | so |
| 19:18.12 | _0xbadc0de_ | If I want to install wine 4.0 is that possible? on testing? |
| 19:18.43 | FIlystyn | If you cumpile everything is possible |
| 19:18.44 | annadane | that's pretty old, but if you have the source i'm sure it can be compiled |
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| 19:19.39 | _0xbadc0de_ | meh... |
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| 19:19.56 | jmcnaught | wine 4.0 is in buster, you could just use stable. |
| 19:20.03 | _0xbadc0de_ | probably will not fix my issue - |
| 19:20.34 | annadane | well, you can't downgrade from testing to stable, unless the user has stable on another machine |
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| 19:20.45 | annadane | well, then describe your issue first, if the reason you want wine 4 is due to a problem |
| 19:20.48 | annadane | ,v wine |
| 19:20.49 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4 |
| 19:21.11 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 19:21.12 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 19:21.16 | annadane | you probably want to ask there ^ |
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| 19:23.13 | _0xbadc0de_ | this is probably a wine issue, most likely wine is not developed well enough to run my application |
| 19:23.36 | _0xbadc0de_ | I have an app that runs quite well, but then segfaults when it attempts to save some data to disk |
| 19:24.10 | annadane | you could also ask #winehq |
| 19:24.20 | _0xbadc0de_ | it actually doesn't segfault because it has proper error handling and such, but shows some error dialog |
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| 19:27.34 | annadane | also note that if you really want you can install the wine-staging packages from winehq's website, they have stuff for bullseye |
| 19:27.52 | annadane | but it would be best to find out what your issue is before wildly floundering about trying everything |
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| 19:30.25 | mystic | HELLO |
| 19:31.04 | mystic | hello i said |
| 19:31.57 | annadane | !ask |
| 19:31.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:32.13 | mystic | I installed hide top bar in gnome tweaks but it wont work. please advise |
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| 19:33.14 | mystic | 'Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector.' |
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| 19:40.38 | mystic | help me hide top bar please.. i hat eit |
| 19:40.57 | annadane | !hurry |
| 19:40.58 | dpkg | well, hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on. |
| 19:41.17 | mystic | its important lol |
| 19:41.19 | annadane | or ask a more gnome-specific channel |
| 19:41.28 | annadane | i don't use it so i can't really answer |
| 19:41.58 | mystic | why cant ubuntu auto hide it in normal settings.. stiupid |
| 19:42.05 | annadane | you're using ubuntu? |
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| 19:42.35 | mystic | yea |
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| 19:42.42 | annadane | well, then why are you here? |
| 19:42.44 | annadane | !ubuntu |
| 19:42.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 19:44.59 | greycat | 15:44 =mystic> cunt |
| 19:45.04 | greycat | Yeah, see, that's why. |
| 19:45.36 | greycat | These entitled assholes just think they can walk all over us? And then insult us when we try too enforce any kind of order? No thanks. |
| 19:45.41 | greycat | 15:45 =mystic> u fuking silence me for ne real reason.... fucking maggot cunt |
| 19:45.49 | greycat | Ignoring now. |
| 19:45.56 | greycat | Forever. |
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| 19:46.16 | greycat | looks up how to raise the timeout in eir |
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| 19:50.34 | greycat | Hmm, that's probably a dynamic IP too... |
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| 19:51.13 | _0xbadc0de_ | hello back |
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| 19:57.28 | greycat | 15:57 0 - #ubuntu: ban $a:mystic [by tepper.freenode.net, 7005706 secs ago] |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | That's why he keeps trying to come here. |
| 19:57.58 | greycat | and, I need to remember these $a things... |
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| 20:07.15 | EdePopede | greycat, do you remember https://toxin.jottit.com/ ? was a nice place to look up such things, now it isn't properly working half of the time :/ |
| 20:07.36 | greycat | I have no idea what that is/was. |
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| 20:10.35 | EdePopede | an overview on some IRC related topics by some Yvonne Rodenberg, like xchat, freenode. jottit was an Aaron Swartz project. |
| 20:11.03 | EdePopede | a simple wiki, you could get your subdomain by just registering. |
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| 20:44.52 | glat-agent643 | Hello. I am selling cheap GNU/Linux licenses. $89 today! |
| 20:46.23 | RoyK | rotfl |
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| 20:47.35 | sedlav | lmao |
| 20:47.55 | sedlav | WHy not make it an even $90? |
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| 20:48.24 | RoyK | sedlav: two for an even $200 |
| 20:48.43 | sedlav | That makes sense... |
| 20:48.45 | sedlav | :P |
| 20:49.05 | RoyK | !op |
| 20:49.28 | RoyK | or perhaps let him or her go on :) |
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| 20:52.41 | RoyK | thanks |
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| 21:17.48 | Crell | Hi folks. I'm trying to process a file in a shell script, with dash specifically, where I skip any line that begins with #. I have the processing working, but not filtering out # lines. Current state of the code is here: https://gist.github.com/Crell/bf3576849769de76e887b9f18abbf957 - There's 2 attempts at filtering out lines there, lines 5 and 7. 5 seems to do nothing, 7 gives me a syntax error on the -v. Any tips on what I should be doing here to filter |
| 21:17.49 | Crell | out comment lines? |
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| 21:20.15 | greycat | case $line in \#*) continue;; esac |
| 21:20.37 | greycat | or feed the input file via grep -v '^#' |
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| 21:21.49 | RoyK | greycat: or just use a sane language like perl or python :P |
| 21:21.56 | Crell | The latter is what line 7 is trying to do (apparently not successfully) |
| 21:22.01 | RoyK | (not that perl is entirely sane, but whatever) |
| 21:22.21 | Crell | RoyK: I use shell scripting under protest, but at the moment it's the logical tool, sadly. |
| 21:22.35 | RoyK | Crell: hehe |
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| 21:24.00 | RoyK | Crell: then loop through the lines and 'if ! `grep -P '\s*^#` > /dev/null 2>&1` ; then ; blabla ; fi' |
| 21:24.13 | RoyK | Crell: then loop through the lines and 'if ! `grep -P '\s*^#` > /dev/null 2>&1 $line` ; then ; blabla ; fi' |
| 21:24.16 | RoyK | that is |
| 21:25.11 | RoyK | or perhaps 'if ! `echo $line | grep -P '\s*^#` > /dev/null 2>&1` ; then ... |
| 21:25.14 | RoyK | use the latter |
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| 21:28.24 | Yruama | bug report sended, i hope my explanation a clear enougth |
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| 21:31.00 | Crell | tries |
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| 21:40.02 | Crell | @RoyK I'm getting a syntax error on the ` in the last one. And it's a bit more complex than my brain can parse myself... |
| 21:40.32 | Crell | At this point I'm tempted to just drop comment functionality. :-/ |
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| 21:49.38 | urxtnw | !grub |
| 21:49.38 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
| 21:49.52 | urxtnw | !fixmbr |
| 21:49.52 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 21:50.58 | urxtnw | Does anyone know the proper way to install debian on a portable USB drive that you can just boot from on other computers? I tried even taking the HDD out of my computer, made the EFI partition, and the USB won't boot on other laptops |
| 21:52.18 | sney | !persistent live |
| 21:52.19 | dpkg | You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 21:52.38 | sney | article is a bit old but I don't see anything at a glance that wouldn't still work |
| 21:53.02 | urxtnw | Thank you! |
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| 21:53.44 | sney | using debian live as the foundation for what you're doing is the correct approach anyway |
| 21:54.29 | urxtnw | I actually like that idea a lot |
| 21:54.39 | cheapie | Hah, nice, Debian (or Linux in general?) doesn't seem to recognize this CPU either. |
| 21:54.52 | cheapie | "[ 0.000000] CPU: vendor_id 'SiS SiS SiS ' unknown, using generic init. [ 0.000000] CPU: Your system may be unstable." |
| 21:55.06 | cheapie | Haven't had any such stability problems (yet) but this could be interesting. |
| 21:55.07 | sney | oh man I remember SiS |
| 21:55.18 | urxtnw | sney, thank you very much, I will give it a go |
| 21:55.26 | sney | urxtnw: np |
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| 21:56.14 | cheapie | FWIW, it's a SiS550, based on the Rise mP6 core - 586-class, 200MHz, Not Real Fastâ¢. |
| 21:57.12 | sney | wasn't it you with the transmeta crusoe a few weeks ago? where are you getting all of this prehistoric gear? |
| 21:57.15 | urxtnw | sney, if I just want command line, what iso do i choose? standard? |
| 21:57.17 | urxtnw | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 21:57.25 | sney | urxtnw: yep, standard for no gui |
| 21:57.31 | cheapie | sney: eBay, mostly. It's cheap enough to get some and screw with it. |
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| 22:07.12 | urxtnw | I booted from the live USB and alt-F2 doesnt seem to work from !fixmbr |
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| 22:09.43 | sney | urxtnw: alt-f2 is only needed if tty1 is taken up by the installer. if you're on the standard live then tty1 should just be a regular login |
| 22:10.04 | urxtnw | im on the standard uefi netinstall |
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| 22:10.18 | urxtnw | alt f1 or alt f2 dont seem to be working |
| 22:10.42 | sney | if you're in graphical mode you will need ctrl-alt-f(number) |
| 22:11.22 | urxtnw | i tried that as well |
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| 22:28.04 | urxtnw | I am trying to rescue my EFI partition and I get |
| 22:28.15 | urxtnw | mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /target |
| 22:28.27 | urxtnw | mounting /dev/sda on /target failed: no such device |
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| 22:33.26 | somiaj | you don't ount the drive you need to mount the proper partition, like /dev/sda1 (2,3,4,5,) or whatver the root partiion actually is |
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| 22:35.32 | ryouma | efi partition = root partition? (idk anyghing about efi) |
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| 22:35.52 | ryouma | he is trying to mount root to rescue efi? |
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| 22:41.57 | urxtnw | somiaj, is it possible to explain that again? |
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| 22:42.19 | urxtnw | I tried dev/sda1 as well and I got the same error |
| 22:42.57 | somiaj | urxtnw: your disk sda is split into multiple partitions, sda1, sda2, sda3, ...., you need to mount the correct partitons. I don't know how your disk is partitioned |
| 22:43.24 | urxtnw | before I do that, what is the correct way to get to a shell |
| 22:43.28 | urxtnw | after booting? |
| 22:43.46 | urxtnw | I went to advanced options -> expert install |
| 22:43.51 | somiaj | depends, the installer has a very limited shell you can hit alt-f2 to get to after the compoenents are loaded. |
| 22:44.22 | somiaj | the rescue mode might work if you know your root partition, as it will set up the chroot for you automatically |
| 22:45.04 | urxtnw | I did cd /dev and they are there |
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| 22:45.15 | urxtnw | dev/sda /dev/sda1 etc. |
| 22:45.39 | urxtnw | but after I do mount I still get no such device |
| 22:45.42 | somiaj | these are just device nodes, you need to know how your disk is partitioned |
| 22:45.57 | urxtnw | mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /target |
| 22:46.06 | urxtnw | somiaj, sda1 is the efi partition |
| 22:46.08 | urxtnw | for sure |
| 22:46.35 | somiaj | then it isn't ext4 file system, the efi partition is not your root partition |
| 22:46.53 | somiaj | efi is most likely vfat file system |
| 22:46.59 | urxtnw | I see |
| 22:47.14 | urxtnw | so the factoid is saying to mount the root partition correct? |
| 22:47.27 | urxtnw | !fixmbr |
| 22:47.27 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 22:47.53 | somiaj | Yes "mount your root filesystem" means exactly that |
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| 22:49.43 | urxtnw | somiaj, thank you, I tried the root filesystem, and I still get the "no such device" |
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| 22:50.27 | somiaj | are you sure that /dev/sda isn't the usb drive and you need to be using some other device. look at 'blkid' |
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| 22:51.58 | urxtnw | yes, it's there dev/sda9 Type:ext4 |
| 22:52.05 | urxtnw | with UUID and PARTUUID |
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| 22:53.10 | somiaj | and what command are you typing? |
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| 22:54.01 | urxtnw | mount -t ext4 /dev/sda9 /target |
| 22:54.55 | urxtnw | I remember doing this a week ago and I didn't have this issue for some reason |
| 22:56.37 | urxtnw | I am thinking maybe I didnt boot on the right shell? |
| 22:57.02 | urxtnw | I went expert install - and then alt-f2 |
| 22:57.05 | urxtnw | and I activated that shell |
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| 23:14.13 | VictoriaB | hello, is there a way of writing all the debian DVD images (or at least more than one) to a USB stick, for offline installation of packages without needing 14 separate USB sticks? |
| 23:14.29 | urxtnw | somiaj, I fixed it, I followed this tutorial: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
| 23:15.14 | dvs | VictoriaB, you can go for the double Blu-Ray image instead and put seven DVD onto one USB drive. |
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| 23:16.46 | VictoriaB | dvs: so I'd only need 2 USB sticks with that method? That sounds OK that |
| 23:16.48 | VictoriaB | then* |
| 23:16.50 | VictoriaB | thanks |
| 23:16.57 | skyliner_369 | how do I get a .desktop file to show an icon instead of a red square thingy with a 'no' symbol in it? |
| 23:17.49 | dvs | VictoriaB, Well, the second one won't be bootable. |
| 23:17.57 | VictoriaB | yeah |
| 23:18.14 | dvs | ok |
| 23:18.19 | VictoriaB | thank you |
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| 23:22.16 | RoyK | Crell: still here? |
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| 23:43.00 | ytf0rd | why is emacs missing in debian 9? |
| 23:43.32 | ytf0rd | anyone help? |
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| 23:47.43 | RoyK | ytf0rd: hm? |
| 23:48.25 | RoyK | ytf0rd: it's in there |
| 23:48.29 | abrotman_ | judd: versions emacs |
| 23:48.30 | judd | Package: emacs on amd64 -- jessie: 46.1; stretch: 46.1; buster: 1:26.1+1-3.2+deb10u1; buster-updates: 1:26.1+1-3.2+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:26.3+1-2; sid: 1:26.3+1-2 |
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