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| 00:13.34 | ksaturn | Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster). Attempting to automate a non-interactive adduser install script. `man adduser` reports use of --comment and --create-home options. Attempting to use these options results in 'Unknown option: comment' and 'Unknown option: create-home'. Using the shorthand versions of the options results in different behavior, but it still tries to interact with the user. |
| 00:15.45 | spacedust | ksaturn: did you forget to properly use "escape" characters ? :) |
| 00:16.33 | spacedust | it doesnt say unknown option --comment but comment so im just guessing it didnt get interpreted right and got passed on as "comment" vs "--comment" |
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| 00:21.32 | ksaturn | Command as run previously: `adduser --disabled-login --uid 1234 --comment Example --create-home example` |
| 00:21.46 | ksaturn | Run via ssh |
| 00:21.49 | skyliner_369 | how do I get a .desktop file to show an icon instead of a red square thingy with a 'no' symbol in it? |
| 00:23.06 | ksaturn | blindly escaping all leading - characters with \ does not resolve. |
| 00:23.54 | sney | ksaturn: if you want to add users non-interactively, the useradd utility will probably be a better fit. |
| 00:24.09 | ksaturn | encapsulating in single quotes results in a different 'Unknown option' error |
| 00:24.13 | ksaturn | understood. |
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| 00:33.30 | skyliner_369 | how do I make the highlighted line background thing in gedit a bit darker while still sticking to the tango theme? |
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| 00:37.18 | EdePopede | skyliner_369: my idea would be to copy the theme into your profile and change the value. maybe setting it in .gtk2rc (iirc) would also work. |
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| 00:38.00 | ksaturn | Confirmed that useradd matched it's man page behavior description better the adduser. Thank you for your help. |
| 00:38.15 | dd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.00 | skyliner_369 | you'd think so but the theme is like unable to be installed |
| 00:40.25 | dd | or should i run fstrim / occasionally? |
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| 00:47.16 | dd | hmm i see systemctl fstrim.timer - Discard unused blocks once a week |
| 00:50.09 | jmcnaught | dd: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
| 00:50.50 | dd | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 00:51.52 | dd | the debian wiki says trim isnt activated by default but systemctl says different |
| 00:52.29 | jmcnaught | discard is not enabled in fstab by default, and fstrim.timer is disabled too |
| 00:53.11 | dd | it says loaded but inactive |
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| 00:53.23 | dd | the fstrim.timer |
| 00:53.46 | jmcnaught | that means that systemd knows the unit file is there, but it is not activated. |
| 00:54.03 | dd | how would i activate it? |
| 00:54.21 | dd | systemctl enable... |
| 00:54.59 | jmcnaught | I don't bother with trim. I leave ~5-10% of the SSD unpartitioned and let the SSD controller handle the rest. |
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| 00:55.55 | dd | okay ill pprobably do that then. thanks |
| 00:56.27 | skyliner_369 | both 'classic' and tango in gedit, while theme-matching, have the awful thing where the line you're working on has the background barely a shade darker than the text and blinky thing |
| 00:57.09 | skyliner_369 | it might be part of the theme |
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| 01:06.41 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: do you want to disable the highlighting, or change its colour? If you want to disable it, it's under preferences (which is under the application menu beside activities in the top bar). |
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| 01:09.36 | skyliner_369 | change the color. from a dull white to a middle gray that white would stand out on. white on white is dumb on so many levels. it might be a problem with yaru-dark |
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| 01:15.20 | skyliner_369 | jmcnaught: well... not just yaru-dark but also adwaita-dark |
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| 01:17.14 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: I don't know how to edit themes for GNOME, I just accept it as it is, or maybe change to the dark theme in Tweaks. |
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| 01:18.05 | skyliner_369 | I use dark themes, but the gedit headache might force me into default or light. *HISSSSS* |
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| 01:28.33 | skyliner_369 | what causes gnome-screenshot to not put the prtscr into the clipboard? |
| 01:30.01 | jmcnaught | It puts a file in ~/Pictures |
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| 01:32.56 | skyliner_369 | I noticed. it really threw me for a loop... woulda been much nicer to have it place it in the clipboard. is there a way to change that? I mean if I spam it right, the shutter sfx won't play and the screenshot or window-shot would wind up in the clipboard... but I just wanna be able to press Ctrl+PrtScr and put the window in my clipboard instead of having to surf for the file |
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| 01:33.59 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: gnome-screenshot's man page says it has a --clipboard option, you could test it by running it from a terminal emulator first. |
| 01:36.38 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: then if you want to have the launcher icon have that behaviour you can: "p /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Screenshot.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/" then edit the file and change its Exec= line. |
| 01:37.00 | jmcnaught | sorry that command should be "cp â¦" I missed the c. |
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| 01:37.20 | skyliner_369 | I know what it is. it's my keyboard having some bad rollover issues with ctrl, shift, and alt. all of them. |
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| 01:38.47 | skyliner_369 | what syntax mode is a .desktop file anyway? bin? |
| 01:39.27 | skyliner_369 | I mean bash* >.> for pastebin highlighting |
| 01:40.31 | jmcnaught | you could try ini if it's an option, but pastebin.com isn't very popular around here. termbin.com is a popular one that has no ads or javascript. |
| 01:42.42 | skyliner_369 | what about plain-old pasting blocks of text? |
| 01:43.03 | jmcnaught | into the channel? a bot will kick you. |
| 01:43.20 | skyliner_369 | exactly. but termbin is a terminal thing. |
| 01:43.42 | jmcnaught | https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 01:45.56 | skyliner_369 | https://paste.debian.net/1150346/ I can't see anything wrong with the file... |
| 01:46.48 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: where are you putting the file? |
| 01:47.08 | skyliner_369 | in the desktop |
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| 01:47.31 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: line 5 is missing a leading / on the path (before 'home') |
| 01:47.53 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: put the file in /home/skyliner_369/.local/share/applications |
| 01:48.23 | skyliner_369 | icon still looks like this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9ie7qsq0/image.png |
| 01:48.58 | jmcnaught | did you correct the path to the icon's missing '/'? |
| 01:49.04 | skyliner_369 | yes |
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| 01:52.53 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: it might update itself after a delay. You could try Alt+F2 and then type 'r' (no quotes) and hit enter to restart gnome-shell, but if you're using the default Wayland it will not work. |
| 01:53.58 | skyliner_369 | no dice |
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| 01:55.03 | jmcnaught | Have you double checked that there were no other mistakes in the path to the icon? |
| 01:55.10 | skyliner_369 | added a type and category to the file (thanks steam) and still no dice. still that red rectangle thing |
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| 01:59.02 | skyliner_369 | ... it was the quotes. |
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| 02:01.07 | jmcnaught | Cool glad you figured it out. |
| 02:02.04 | skyliner_369 | also .desktop files do like SVGs. I personally prefer using vector-based things when it comes to scalable elements |
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| 03:06.05 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Is there a way to easily find which package's dependencies are non-free? |
| 03:07.29 | Aurora_v_kosmose | For example diaspora is contrib, but I wonder if it's truly because it's nonfree, or because the dependencies aren't packaged for Debian. |
| 03:07.50 | Aurora_v_kosmose | s/it's nonfree/one of its dependencies is nonfree/ |
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| 03:23.32 | somiaj | everything in contrib is free but has some dependency on non-free stuff |
| 03:23.54 | somiaj | You probably have to look through each of the dependencies to figure out what it does that is non-free, don't know any automated way for this. |
| 03:24.13 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah, that's unfortunate, but not unexpected. |
| 03:24.17 | somiaj | so the fact that it is in contrib, tells you that it meetds DSFG, but depends on stuff that doesn't. |
| 03:24.37 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I see |
| 03:24.47 | somiaj | (note if even a small part of the build depends on non-free stuff it will be put in contrib, virtualbox is the case here) |
| 03:25.23 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Is it guestadditions (which is proprietary and optional), or is even the rest of the software not buildable without non-free? |
| 03:25.26 | somiaj | virtualbox meets the DSFG, but the bios it uses (which is free) requires non-free software to build, so it cannot be built with purely free software, thus putting it in contrib. |
| 03:25.33 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah I see |
| 03:25.59 | somiaj | so debian requires that everything in debian main is fully buildable by using only software in debian main |
| 03:26.17 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Makes sense. |
| 03:26.33 | somiaj | virtualbox builds usually ship the aready built bios, so though it is almost buidable, this is enough to remove it from debian. |
| 03:27.03 | somiaj | anyways, I don't know about the case in which you speak, as to what depends, or issues make it contrib (but the fact it is in contrib tells you it does meet DSFG, it just requires non-free depends in some way) |
| 03:27.35 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Okay. In any case, thanks for the explanation. |
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| 03:46.37 | dd | anyone here with a hp laptop? does it have loud fan noise? |
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| 03:53.27 | somiaj | anyways, I don't know about the case in which you speak, as to what depends, or issues make it contrib (but the fact it is in contrib tells you it does meet DSFG, it just requires non-free depends in some way) |
| 03:53.34 | somiaj | arg, misclick |
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| 04:12.27 | keebler | Does anyone run Fluxbox with a HiDPI TriMonitor setup? |
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| 04:16.25 | Jmabsd | on a normal Linux install with default setting, what does "dmesg | grep -e DMAR -e IOMMU" tell you actually? |
| 04:16.50 | Jmabsd | That one outputs on my system, "DMAR: IOMMU enabled". Means what actually |
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| 04:21.56 | ectospasm | I don't know what DMAR means, but IOMMU is (probably) Input/Output Mapped Memory Unit, or something like that. |
| 04:22.06 | ectospasm | Memory Management Unit? Something like that. |
| 04:22.15 | ectospasm | Jmabsd: ^ |
| 04:22.36 | ectospasm | Basically, a memory control module dedicated to input/outpu (I/O) operations. |
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| 04:24.46 | Jmabsd | DMAR means DMA Remapping |
| 04:24.56 | Jmabsd | ectospasm: indeed. i wonder what this dmesg line means in practice. |
| 04:25.10 | Jmabsd | IOMMU enabled means PCI devices cannot access arbitrary memory addresses. |
| 04:26.28 | ectospasm | It sounds like DMAR is enabled by the IOMMU |
| 04:26.37 | ectospasm | Or at least, the kernel is allowing it. |
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| 04:39.46 | n-iCe | really, really like it. |
| 04:42.28 | somiaj | woot |
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| 07:15.35 | sgo11 | jmcnaught: Hi, this is a late reply. Thanks a lot for your message. I don't know if you still can remember or check what you posted. just FYI: I have solved the problem. xfce and debian 10 always set SSH_AUTH_SOCK to ssh-agent socket instead of gnome-keyring socket. So to make it work, I need 'export SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh' OR 'export $(gnome-keyring-daemon --start)' in .bashrc. Cheers. |
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| 07:49.06 | dostoyevsky | > E: Package 'libvirt-dbus' has no installation candidate # https://packages.debian.org/buster/libvirt-dbus -- not sure why I can't install this, even after running `apt update' |
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| 08:35.08 | instigator | Hello. I am experiencing an issue where a new program starts instead of the minimized one when clicking the icon in the taskbar. Is there a hotkey to disable this? I think I accidently pressed a number of keys which caused this behaviour. |
| 08:36.45 | instigator | Also up arrow doesnt work in terminal strangely |
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| 08:48.57 | Intelo | In wiregaurd, one peer is vps and one local machine. It will always be the localmachine connecting to vps peer. Not the other way around as ip of localmachine will change. Is that sane setup? b) I am doing all this because I cannot portforward my router for local machine. To do this: myFriends -> my vps -> my pc (screenshare via vnc via gucamole). |
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| 09:07.10 | ghormoon | hi, when using scaling trhough xrandr, can you somehow select" native mode" of the display? it seems that full aspect will scale to "preffered" resolution of the display ... which would be nice if it was detected correctly :( |
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| 09:14.00 | nevyn | it's probably buggy EDID |
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| 09:24.52 | ghormoon | yeah, but can i override it? |
| 09:25.16 | ghormoon | explicitly tell xrandr what the preffered resolution is? |
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| 09:33.54 | nevyn | if it's in the supported list. |
| 09:33.57 | nevyn | it's easy |
| 09:34.16 | ghormoon | it is, but it's not preffered |
| 09:34.30 | nevyn | if not I've done it before for broken ass tv's that needed a modeline |
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| 09:34.43 | ghormoon | yeah it's a tv :D |
| 09:37.39 | ghormoon | i'm doing eg xrandr --output HDMI-A-2 --mode 1980x1080 --set 'scaling mode' 'Full aspect' and i somehow want to enforce something like scale-to 3840x2160 |
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| 09:55.10 | OldParr | I can not turn on wifi on a laptop |
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| 10:26.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys where can i get help on msmtp? i need to set my from for all emails cron apt everything or gmail just blocks them or even worse spams them |
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| 10:26.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | but that is not coming through at all |
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| 12:22.19 | jmcnaught | sgo11: cool, glad you got it figured out, thanks for the follow up. |
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| 13:00.46 | versuchsanstalt | How can I make apt-key use IPv4 only? |
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| 13:03.32 | jmcnaught | versuchsanstalt: apt-key appears to use wget. /etc/wgetrc has a line: "#prefer-family = IPv6" that you could try changing. |
| 13:05.47 | versuchsanstalt | jmcnaught: Thank you, I will try that. |
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| 13:11.10 | versuchsanstalt | jmcnaught: I find it even has inet[4|6]_only=[on|off] ... yay! |
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| 13:13.51 | ayjay_t | anyone use dpkg-cross? when you -install where does it dump the files |
| 13:14.04 | ayjay_t | trying to set up a cross-compile env on debian obvs |
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| 13:38.04 | mzajc | I'm trying to get juk (the kde music player) to work on debian bullseye, but it simply won't work. whenever I input something in the search bar, it crashes due to a segmentation fault. the last element in the backtrace is "QTreeWidgetItem::setHidden(bool) () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5". I've also tried building it myself to no avail. buster release works, but I prefer not to mix stable and testing. tell me if you need the full |
| 13:38.06 | mzajc | backtrace, I don't know if it could be of any use so I'm not gonna post it |
| 13:38.39 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 13:38.39 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 13:38.57 | annadane | mzajc, 6 |
| 13:38.59 | annadane | ^ * |
| 13:39.28 | mzajc | oh, sorry, forgot that there's a specific channel for testing and sid |
| 13:39.29 | mzajc | my bad |
| 13:40.00 | annadane | we're boring here and like stuff that works :-) |
| 13:40.21 | mzajc | haha, damned bugs |
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| 13:56.21 | absinthe | hello. how can i list installed packages belonging to a specific section ? (sound, x11, etc) |
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| 14:03.53 | oerheks | synaptic can easily filter those |
| 14:05.41 | oerheks | aptitude search '~i ?section(X11)' |
| 14:06.13 | oerheks | aptitude search '~i ?section(Fonts)' |
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| 14:38.09 | skyliner_369 | are left and right super different like how left and right ctrl and alt are |
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| 14:42.54 | ratrace | skyliner_369: they have different keysym numbers and can thus be bound to different actions |
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| 14:43.46 | skyliner_369 | I thought as much |
| 14:45.04 | skyliner_369 | honestly? the replacement of right super with, well, a FN key is starting to get bothersome. I miss right super |
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| 14:47.26 | ratrace | that kinda depends on the keyboard, doesn't it? |
| 14:47.55 | skyliner_369 | it does, but I'm trying to get, well, a mechanical keyboard with NKRO |
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| 14:50.54 | misteradler | is nvidia render offload available on testing? |
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| 14:58.09 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 14:58.10 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 14:58.17 | petn-randall | misteradler: Best ask in the testing channel. ^^^ |
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| 15:17.36 | killall | Hello i had 2 disks, one with filesystem and other one with swap. I removed the swap disk and formated before i had swap disabled. Now i cannot turn swap off. How can i remove swap? |
| 15:17.52 | killall | this is a server |
| 15:18.26 | dvs | swapoff -a |
| 15:18.29 | dvs | ? |
| 15:20.21 | ratrace | wonders what kind of server role is that where, instead of a nice mirror, there's a whole disk for swap! |
| 15:22.30 | killall | swapoff -a says swapoff: cannot find the device for UUID=fb878f7c-557c-427f-9941-6d76860cb661 |
| 15:22.40 | killall | and nothing changes. |
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| 15:22.55 | killall | dvs (mistakes everybody made one once in a while) |
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| 15:30.13 | petn-randall | killall: I'd probably do a hard reset since you already corrupted the memory with that step. |
| 15:30.47 | petn-randall | killall: swap is just an extension of your RAM, so the running system is compromised anyway. |
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| 15:32.51 | RoyK | killall: try swapon -s |
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| 15:33.18 | RoyK | killall: it'll tell you what swap devices that are active |
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| 15:49.05 | Akuw | hi, i am trying to use "dpkg-reconfigure" but i got "command not found" |
| 15:49.23 | Akuw | but debconf is instlled and is in the path "/usr/bin" |
| 15:49.39 | Akuw | i am using Debian 10 |
| 15:50.49 | dvs | !buster su |
| 15:50.49 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 16:06.02 | annadane | dpkg-reconfigure: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 17:02.07 | Yruama | hello, i have |
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| 17:06.31 | Yruama | *i have a question, what kind of problem i can encounter by using the 4.9 kernel from debian 9 with debian 10 ? |
| 17:07.20 | greycat | Most likely no problems at all. You just won't have whatever new features 4.19 added. |
| 17:08.37 | Yruama | greycat, is there really new feature ? |
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| 17:09.56 | Yruama | in fact, i want to use the 4.9 kernel because it's the last kernel i know to not have issu with my usb3 hub |
| 17:09.59 | greycat | I have no idea. |
| 17:10.09 | greycat | I'm sure it'll work fine. |
| 17:10.50 | Yruama | greycat, i tried 4.19 and 5.4, i have issue with my USB3 |
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| 17:11.00 | Yruama | *hub |
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| 17:13.21 | Yruama | to make it short, my usb3 disks and USB3 keys aren't detected when i connect them throught my USB3 hub |
| 17:14.01 | greycat | Running on kernel 4.9 is a specifically *supported* configuration. You can run much, much older if you need to. |
| 17:14.50 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#glibc-and-linux |
| 17:15.05 | greycat | Buster requires at least a 3.2 Linux kernel. |
| 17:15.59 | Yruama | but some tools or devices may require a more recent version |
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| 17:22.55 | miskatonic | do usb2ethernet converting devices count as usb hubs? |
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| 17:26.02 | floogy | Hi, I got issues to upgrade from mysql to mariadb |
| 17:27.06 | miskatonic | what kind of issues? we are not telepaths |
| 17:27.54 | floogy | Assertion failure. But it seems, that dpkg --configure -a may is working now ... |
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| 17:29.48 | Akuw | i have problems configuruing my keyboard |
| 17:29.58 | Akuw | some keys not working |
| 17:30.01 | Akuw | spanish |
| 17:30.14 | Akuw | this has 2 windows logo keys |
| 17:30.39 | Akuw | i test with all keyboard models |
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| 17:31.51 | floogy | # systemctl start mariadb.service |
| 17:31.51 | floogy | Job for mariadb.service canceled. |
| 17:32.27 | greycat | next steps would be "systemctl status mariadb" and "journalctl -u mariadb" and reading whatever the mariadb logs on disk say |
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| 17:33.14 | miskatonic | keyboard problems on console or gui? |
| 17:34.31 | floogy | https://0bin.net/paste/EFiFGaRrnrKwiZjZ#8e0Oz593DWqgriPC0ww6H-vgSQXxMcnEq4G8rqoyH8s |
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| 17:36.44 | Akuw | how can i know the real model? |
| 17:38.24 | floogy | https://0bin.net/paste/Lw+j7MrBeOrYkkW4#suzMFnKMSlkYAJgTqXVeekZY99WMGCuNk3dxHN3OgND |
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| 17:45.17 | Akuw | console |
| 17:45.34 | Akuw | but, when i open terminal in gui is ok |
| 17:45.46 | Akuw | but in my virtual machine in kvm is the problem |
| 17:45.56 | Akuw | using debian too in vm |
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| 17:46.27 | Akuw | both has same keyboard config |
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| 17:50.18 | miskatonic | the windows logo key isn't really supposed to work in the console, is it? |
| 17:50.24 | floogy | greycat, https://0bin.net/paste/Hoog6qxmRizMRMtx#HXxiiUU2gy39bx6SKTmbvUJl5xOhc+sT1Aq2eD0msCG |
| 17:51.01 | greycat | I'm guessing by the length of that URL that I won't be able to curl it. Or even lynx it. |
| 17:51.37 | greycat | A URL that long on an unsolicited paste usually means "you will need Javascript to decode this on the client side". |
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| 17:53.23 | jmcnaught | "This pastebin uses client-side encryption. Therefore, it needs JavaScript enabled." must be pretty sensitive stuff⦠|
| 17:53.28 | floogy | Ok. I see if bpaste works |
| 17:54.05 | floogy | https://bpa.st/TQFA |
| 17:54.38 | greycat | not curl... |
| 17:54.58 | greycat | here we go, https://bpa.st/raw/TQFA |
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| 17:56.39 | greycat | about 30 lines down it tells you what to read if you keep getting assertion failures |
| 17:57.52 | greycat | since you said this was an upgrade, I don't really understand what the "mysql_install_db" command is for, but I would suspect a corrupted database |
| 17:57.54 | floogy | Yes ok, but I don't know what's wrong. This is the only bug with os0thread.cc line 195 https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-13394 |
| 17:59.16 | greycat | If it's really a corrupted DB, ask #mysql or something how to proceed. All I can suggest would be: step 0, already have a backup of the database. Step 1, nuke the database from orbit. Step 2, install mariadb. Step 3, rebuild the DB from your backup. |
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| 18:01.02 | floogy | https://bpa.st/U45A |
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| 18:06.23 | floogy | Maybe it's due to the old openvz virtuozo vserver? https://bpa.st/raw/TWCA |
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| 18:08.25 | floogy | I think, I'll rsync the whole vserver and try to set it up in a virtualbox. Because I have to migrate it anyway to a new vserver. |
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| 18:31.56 | Intelo | peerPC > vps (nginx) > my pc (tomcat+ vnc+ gucamole) and its very slow. What might be the bottleneck here? CPU is not fully utilized, internet is 8mb at myside and much more at vps side. |
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| 19:11.35 | Intelo | Is there a way that whenever I boot, nice states screens auto open AND auto arrange to relevant desktop or ttys? http://imgur.com/RW9Ochfl.png |
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| 19:13.32 | jmcnaught | You could hibernate instead of shutting down. |
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| 19:26.09 | Intelo | jmcnaught: true but any way to fully resume after boot? tmux? |
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| 19:28.29 | IanJ | Intelo: not that I know of. You can configure your login to re-start applications on certain workspaces but that's about it. |
| 19:28.47 | Intelo | IanJ: yes |
| 19:29.15 | Intelo | Is there a way that whenever I boot, nice states screens auto open AND auto arrange to relevant desktop or ttys? http://imgur.com/RW9Ochfl.png |
| 19:29.19 | Intelo | sory |
| 19:29.35 | Intelo | for repeat |
| 19:29.48 | greycat | You can configure your WM or DE to open certain programs in certain physical locations when you login. |
| 19:30.00 | greycat | Or more precisely, when you start your X or Wayland session. |
| 19:30.31 | Intelo | How come my network tools show different speeds of same apps and also huge difference in totals? http://imgur.com/RW9Ochfl.png |
| 19:30.37 | miskatonic | can't .xsession handle that on its own? |
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| 19:30.49 | Intelo | greycat: hm |
| 19:31.01 | Intelo | greycat: open and `run` certain commands? possible? |
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| 19:31.55 | miskatonic | oh, but priobably not place to the right workspace, as .xsession does not know about these |
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| 19:32.02 | greycat | As an example, I have «rxvt -font 7x13 -geometry 80x24+0+116 &» and «rxvt -font 7x13 -geometry +0+460 &» and several other commands in my X startup script. |
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| 19:33.11 | greycat | if you want workspace positioning, that's not *really* possible without knowing the dimensions of the display, but if you know the display's dimensions, you can hard-code positioning that way |
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| 19:33.59 | greycat | E.g. rxvt -font 7x13 -geometry 80x25+0+1080 & |
| 19:34.17 | IanJ | greycat: if you used a tiling window manager it might be easier rather than worrying about exact dimensions. |
| 19:34.30 | greycat | That one starts a terminal in a "downward" workspace on a monitor with 1080 vertical. |
| 19:36.05 | IanJ | my i3wm config is set to open thunderbird, firefox, lxterminal, two instances of thunar and vlc all on different workspaces when I login. |
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| 19:44.24 | miskatonic | interesting combination : lxterminal, thunar, and i3 |
| 19:44.37 | IanJ | lol, yeah :) |
| 19:45.23 | IanJ | I wanted a light terminal that supported actual tabs and ended up with lxterminal. Thunar was there from previous xfce desktop. |
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| 19:47.46 | miskatonic | is lxterminal still continued despite the transition from lxde to lxqt? |
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| 19:48.19 | IanJ | I don't really know. It is in debian stable at the moment. |
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| 19:49.25 | IanJ | I guess I may have to find something else in the future. |
| 19:49.38 | greycat | Why? |
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| 19:50.11 | IanJ | well, I will upgrade and I'm not installing QT just to run that terminal :) |
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| 19:54.33 | sney | lxterminal is still around and still gtk, and there is a team still maintaining lxde even though the original developer changed toolkits. the lxqt terminal is called qterminal. both of them have pretty slim dependencies. |
| 19:55.43 | IanJ | so many choices :) |
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| 19:57.04 | sney | one of the main strengths of a linux OS |
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| 19:58.46 | ice9 | why Google uses a modified version of debian, what they dong like about it? |
| 19:59.24 | sney | you'd have to ask them |
| 19:59.37 | miskatonic | it is mixing gtk and qt which gives people the creeps ... |
| 20:01.27 | sney | that used to be justified because of how poorly they integrated. running a gtk app in kde looked hilariously bad. but in the modern era you can barely tell unless you know exactly what to look for. |
| 20:01.28 | greycat | You should run programs that use Athena widgets, Tk, Motif, GTK, Qt ... all at once. Because. |
| 20:01.37 | Akuw | i am trying to compile kerbnel but i got "There is no rule to build the object debian/certs/debian-uefi-certs.pem" |
| 20:01.52 | sney | ah yes, the kerbnel. |
| 20:02.05 | sney | Akuw: what docs are you following and what was the context of that error? |
| 20:02.29 | Akuw | Linux Foundation Kernel Development Course |
| 20:02.51 | Akuw | https://lms.quickstart.com/lms/lrn_launchCourse.do?courseId=01c5a42924f9424b9af1b9a881af58b4&learnerEnrollmentId=150451&method=displayLearnerProfile&lguid=3b8a994d-fa7e-44a5-a827-cd4737f2d4f9 |
| 20:03.02 | sney | so, not the debian kernel handbook? |
| 20:03.14 | Akuw | no |
| 20:03.28 | sney | I think we're done here |
| 20:04.03 | dutchfish | Akuw, if your goal is to rebuild a debian kernel, or use its ocnfig, read in here how to prevent that error about missing .pem cert: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage |
| 20:05.06 | shibboleth | so, in a perfect example of how google search is a joke compared to what it was ten years ago i'm coming up short in figuring out how to make xorg output 1920x1080i/50 with the nvidia driver |
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| 20:05.26 | shibboleth | lots of sample sony experia camera galleries though |
| 20:05.31 | shibboleth | and belgian funiture |
| 20:06.07 | greycat | #nvidia might be able to help |
| 20:07.22 | sney | shibboleth: xorg config snippets are the same regardless of what driver you're using, so searching for 'xorg.conf resolution' will probably give you the most useful results. But yes, I switched away from google as my go-to search engine recently as well. end of an era. |
| 20:07.29 | shibboleth | yeah |
| 20:07.38 | shibboleth | "xorg.conf" "nvidia" "1080i" |
| 20:07.55 | shibboleth | alas, belgian furniture |
| 20:07.56 | sney | nvidia is _irrelevant to the question_ and may be confusing the issue. just so you know. |
| 20:08.25 | shibboleth | still, how the f does "xorg.conf" result in tripadvisor results? |
| 20:08.32 | sney | money |
| 20:09.41 | ueberall | Hi. Is #reprepro (https://salsa.debian.org/brlink/reprepro) unable to generate "Contents-source[.gz]" indices or am I misreading the docs? |
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| 20:10.17 | greycat | I don't see how nvidia is irrelevant, when the fundamental issue is either "it's not auto-detecting my monitor's size" (missing EDID?) or "the nvidia driver isn't loading so it fell back to VESA". |
| 20:12.59 | sney | it's irrelevant if the solution is to force modes in the Screen and Monitor sections. sometimes the nvidia blob misbehaves. declining to autodetect is a quick and cheap workaround. |
| 20:13.33 | sney | if it turns out that the nvidia driver isn't loading at all, well, this will make that very obvious very quickly |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | this being #debian, a very high-probability solution is "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 20:16.00 | IanJ | I didn't realize vlc was now using qt libs. |
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| 20:17.21 | dutchfish | ueberall, it can do that AFTER generating GnuPG keys for package/catalog file signing. |
| 20:17.47 | IanJ | and there was I thinking I had avoided all QT applications :/ |
| 20:18.00 | shibboleth | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/58ac1096/ |
| 20:18.06 | dutchfish | ueberall, its in the Debian wiki for reprepro |
| 20:18.19 | shibboleth | no matter what i do, if i try to go above 1280x720 on screen 1 i get 1024x768 |
| 20:18.42 | shibboleth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.51 | oiaohm | shibboleth: you are sure that screen is able todo that size. |
| 20:21.09 | shibboleth | yes, it's a tv :) |
| 20:21.28 | shibboleth | still, shouldn't i be able to force a resolution? |
| 20:21.32 | oiaohm | I have had TV on different ports not be able todo particular sizes. |
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| 20:22.16 | oiaohm | shibboleth: also being a tv lot of them are 60hz not 50hz. |
| 20:22.25 | greycat | "it's a TV" does not equate to "can do 1920x1080" in my experience |
| 20:22.28 | greycat | maybe I'm too old |
| 20:22.30 | shibboleth | i know |
| 20:22.54 | shibboleth | but i should be able to force a resolution in xorg? |
| 20:23.06 | shibboleth | maybe the tv throws an error, maybe i get ni picture |
| 20:23.14 | oiaohm | I have a tv here were one port is 120hz another is 60 hz and another 30hz. |
| 20:23.19 | shibboleth | but still, i should be able to force an output resolution? |
| 20:23.32 | oiaohm | Guess what any thing other than that hz on that port gets rejected. |
| 20:23.38 | oiaohm | in 1920x1080 mode. |
| 20:23.57 | greycat | I'm pretty sure my TV is x720. |
| 20:24.05 | shibboleth | this one isn't |
| 20:24.11 | Akuw | then Debian does not use kernel from kernel.org? |
| 20:24.20 | shibboleth | in any case: how do i *force* a resolution? |
| 20:24.37 | nvz | Akuw: sure, heavily patched and custom built.. |
| 20:24.39 | oiaohm | You cannot force a resolution that screen rejects. |
| 20:24.43 | IanJ | is there a big movement toward qt from gtk now? |
| 20:24.43 | dutchfish | Akuw, all kernels come form kernel.org. But Debian has its own patch series. |
| 20:24.51 | greycat | #nvidia or #xorg might have the answers you are requesting, which may or may not be the answers you *want* to hear |
| 20:24.53 | shibboleth | i'm already ignoring edid |
| 20:24.55 | joepublic | kernel.org doesn't have kernels, just source code for you to compile into kernels |
| 20:24.57 | oiaohm | shibboleth: or a resolution with hz speed screen rejects. |
| 20:25.08 | Akuw | dutchfish: ok |
| 20:25.14 | shibboleth | i'm already ignoring edid |
| 20:25.16 | oiaohm | shibboleth: so you need to check the specifications of the tv to see if it has any port tricks. |
| 20:25.17 | sney | shibboleth: again, if you search for 'xorg.conf resolution' it's in the top couple of results. X will not start if it fails, but that's the method. |
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| 20:25.31 | shibboleth | i'm not talking "how do i magically make my tv support resolution x" |
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| 20:25.54 | Akuw | for that reason the course i am following does not work in debian, at least that part |
| 20:25.59 | shibboleth | i'm talking "output X and see what happens" |
| 20:26.03 | oiaohm | shibboleth: one of my friends cheap tv one of the hdmi ports was 75hz for some reason as well. |
| 20:26.05 | Akuw | but course is based in Ubuntu |
| 20:26.06 | dutchfish | Akuw, you could start here https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage |
| 20:26.24 | oiaohm | shibboleth: so you really do need to check the tv manual if you have not for what hz it supports. |
| 20:26.39 | oiaohm | shibboleth: and what sizes it supports. |
| 20:26.41 | Akuw | dutchfish: thanks |
| 20:26.44 | oiaohm | on what ports. |
| 20:26.52 | dutchfish | Akuw, your welcome |
| 20:27.32 | oiaohm | shibboleth: I have seen some tv with a special upscale hdmi port as well and of course that not going todo 1920x1080 on that port either. |
| 20:27.54 | shibboleth | ok and for the fifth time: never mind what the tv supports |
| 20:27.59 | shibboleth | i'm already ignoring edid |
| 20:28.17 | ueberall | dutchfish: Thanks, I will have a look at the wiki, then! |
| 20:28.18 | oiaohm | shibboleth: ignoring the edid does not stop the controller in the tv saying no. |
| 20:28.42 | shibboleth | is there a way to query the tv? |
| 20:29.04 | oiaohm | shibboleth: you need to know what that controller acceptable values are on what ports so you can graphic drivers manually. |
| 20:29.30 | oiaohm | shibboleth: that is normally get the specifications/manual and read them. Or depend on the edid to tell trueful information. |
| 20:30.15 | oiaohm | Basically when a tv/monitor does not tell trueful information by edid you have to get the paperwork about the monitor or be there for ever and day trying stuff until you get lucky. |
| 20:30.21 | dutchfish | shibboleth, or query it with https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/read-edid |
| 20:30.30 | shibboleth | hmmm |
| 20:31.05 | miskatonic | I don't even have an xorg conf file |
| 20:31.06 | shibboleth | cvt does interlace modelines |
| 20:31.09 | shibboleth | cvt -i 1920 1080 30 |
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| 20:31.18 | shibboleth | 1920x1080i30 works |
| 20:32.11 | shibboleth | thanks |
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| 20:32.35 | nvz | miskatonic: you poor unfortunate... :P |
| 20:32.39 | oiaohm | shibboleth: if support 30 it might support 60 but it absolutely will not support 50. |
| 20:33.05 | nvz | miskatonic: xorg hasnt used configuration files in a long time.. its all auto detected, unless you want to specify settings yourself |
| 20:33.30 | oiaohm | shibboleth: if this tv has multi hdmi ports on the back they might support different hz levels. |
| 20:33.35 | nvz | has a conf file cause he has intel graphics |
| 20:33.47 | oiaohm | shibboleth: welcome to teeth pulling. |
| 20:33.56 | nvz | and despite what al these damn people say, I've never seen intel graphics just work right :P |
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| 20:34.11 | dutchfish | also, alot of tv's dont like 60 if other devices are connected with 30i, like settop boxes oeven over different ports. |
| 20:34.19 | ueberall | dutchfish: Just saw that I actually went through the Debian wiki already--do you have a direct link/example by chance? (NB reprepro is generating Contents[-udeb]-ARCH here w/o problems, but not Contents-source.) |
| 20:34.43 | miskatonic | my intel graphics works without a conf file |
| 20:34.49 | shibboleth | still, i'm agast at how "xorg.conf" "gtf" "1080i" turns out exactly nothing relevant |
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| 20:35.07 | dutchfish | ueberall, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/SetupWithReprepro |
| 20:35.17 | nvz | miskatonic: I don't believe you :P They may /appear/ to work right.. you just havent checked your logs or ran it hard enough :P |
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| 20:36.29 | nvz | I personally have two modes of operation.. glitches in the display with certain things, or logs that could fill the entire vaccume of space |
| 20:37.16 | nvz | though in either case an average user could probably use it for years and never notice |
| 20:37.56 | dutchfish | ueberall, also read up about redochecksums |
| 20:38.36 | ueberall | dutchfish: But that topic/page does not deal with "Contents:" specific definitions ("Contents:" is mentioned in the manual, although only briefly). |
| 20:39.15 | dutchfish | ueberall, i admit, i needed to reread it several times to fully digest it. Take your time with it. |
| 20:40.15 | ueberall | dutchfish: I took my time, and am none the wiser. That's why I'm asking here. |
| 20:40.20 | Akuw | i am doping this now "make -j`nproc` bindeb-pkg" |
| 20:40.28 | Akuw | how many questions are there? |
| 20:42.22 | miskatonic | where are whose logs with all the intel errors? |
| 20:42.32 | dutchfish | ueberall, and the manual (html) not the same as manpage.(in the source) |
| 20:43.55 | dutchfish | ueberall https://salsa.debian.org/brlink/reprepro/blob/debian/docs/manual.html |
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| 20:44.52 | ayjay_t | so whats the difference between `pbuilder build` and `pdebuild`? |
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| 20:48.18 | ueberall | dutchfish: I've read *both* (they reference each other), but the https://salsa.debian.org/brlink/reprepro/-/blob/master/docs/reprepro.1 does not contain any "Contents:" examples; the manual (the URI you posted) does not mention anything about "Contents-source" (or an option for that matter) either. |
| 20:49.06 | ueberall | (If man/grep/google would have helped me, I would not have asked here.) |
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| 20:49.34 | dutchfish | ueberall, well, i took this out of it: Reprepro can generate files called dists/CODENAME/Contents-ARCHITECTURE.gz listing all files in all binary packages available for the selected architecture in that distribution and which package they belong to. |
| 20:50.10 | greycat | rep rep ro sounds like something Scooby Doo would say |
| 20:50.52 | dutchfish | ueberall and i admit its an arcane tool and above all picky about path's |
| 20:51.13 | ueberall | dutchfish: Again, I'm not asking about ARCHITECTURE, but "source" like "Contents-source.gz" in http://ubuntu.bio.lmu.de/debian/dists/sid/main/ (all arch-specific indices work here.) |
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| 20:55.16 | dutchfish | ueberall, To activate generating of these files by reprepro, you need a Contents header in that distribution's declaration in conf/distributions, like: |
| 20:55.50 | dutchfish | ueberall, etc. It then automagically generates them. Its in the manual.... |
| 20:57.54 | dutchfish | ueberall, another copy of the manual (mirror) http://mirror.physics.ox.ac.uk/mirror/mirror/ubuntu/oxford-local/reprepro/docs/manual.html#contents |
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| 20:58.53 | miskatonic | so what kind of lines in teh Xorg log files indicate that the intel graphics is misconfigured? |
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| 21:14.46 | ueberall | dutchfish: I copied all examples from the manual, and no combination yields a Contents-source archive. Meanwhile, I looked at the source code--to answer my qeustion, according to reprepro/contents.c, "Contents-source" cannot be generated. |
| 21:15.32 | dvs | ueberall, dutchfish is gone |
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| 21:18.22 | ueberall | dvs: I see. Well, maybe someone else will browse through the channel logs at one point to find this⦠:) |
| 21:22.47 | annadane | are there any debian packages/functionalities that allow me to bind a hotkey to thunar for "open terminal here"? |
| 21:23.45 | annadane | i notice there is stuff like https://askubuntu.com/questions/403922/keyboard-shortcut-for-thunar-custom-actions |
| 21:24.23 | shibboleth | ok, now i've run into an issue with overscan/underscan using 1920x1080i30 |
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| 21:24.48 | shibboleth | i can get it to display correctly using xrandr, but how do i make it permanent in xorg.conf? |
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| 21:33.10 | karlpinc | shibboleth: I know this is not helpful, but I'd see what xrandr is doing and do a bunch of man page reading on xorg.conf. You might also see useful stuff about what X is doing in the X logs. |
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| 21:46.48 | shibboleth | thanks, already been there and done that |
| 21:46.53 | shibboleth | i found a solution though |
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| 21:55.22 | shibboleth | i got overscan at 1080i30 but not a 1080p59.94 |
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| 23:18.06 | shibboleth | anyone ever used vmware fusion (workstation for mac) on macos? it has this neat feature which will let you boot the physical windows/bootcamp installation as a vm while you're running macos |
| 23:18.48 | shibboleth | does something like this exist for linux? |
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| 23:35.58 | jaesreswrkk | Hi |
| 23:36.00 | jaesreswrkk | stupid question time. |
| 23:36.17 | jaesreswrkk | debian logs everything to journald right? |
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| 23:39.23 | jmcnaught | jaesreswrkk: yes, journald is used. By default the journal is only in memory (not persistent on disk), and it also forwards all messages to syslog which still puts logs where it used to. |
| 23:40.31 | jaesreswrkk | jmcnaught, Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 23:40.42 | jaesreswrkk | I can uninstall syslog and replace it with logstack |
| 23:40.46 | jaesreswrkk | I can uninstall syslog and replace it with logstash |
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| 23:42.46 | jmcnaught | jaesreswrkk: you can remove rsyslog. I don't know logstash, but you can also make journald write to disk. |
| 23:42.58 | jaesreswrkk | jmcnaught, ty. Logstack is part of the ELK stack |
| 23:43.18 | jaesreswrkk | logstash does what journald does, but it shoves it to elasticsearch, then you can use kibana to model in real time |
| 23:45.38 | jaesreswrkk | jmcnaught, anywhere I can read more about debian logging |
| 23:45.46 | jaesreswrkk | I know about the handbook but I'm not sure about it |
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| 23:48.28 | jmcnaught | jaesreswrkk: All Debian packages have a directory in /usr/share/doc that often will have a README.Debian and other documentation. Other than that and man pages I'm not sure what else to recommend. |
| 23:49.07 | jaesreswrkk | 10 years of using debian and I never knew that. |
| 23:49.12 | jaesreswrkk | The /usr/share/doc |
| 23:49.13 | jaesreswrkk | wow |
| 23:50.34 | jmcnaught | jaesreswrkk: sometimes it's just a copyright file, and sometimes the documentation will be separated into its own foo-doc package. |
| 23:51.00 | jaesreswrkk | ty :) |
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| 23:52.25 | annadane | dies a little inside whenever i find a /usr/share/doc and there's no readme |
| 23:52.52 | jaesreswrkk | That's like a IT horror story. |
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