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| 02:24.25 | nickgaw | Hi, If I am interested in automating the debian installation and have it already installed the way I like it why does the debian-installer not have some type of method for making a file with all of the current choices that were chosen during the existing installation that a user could use on the next installation on that same system? |
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| 02:27.09 | dvs | yeah, the setup to automatically select the options you want is a little involved. |
| 02:29.42 | nickgaw | Why does also automating the installation not let you keep a partition like /home and you have to wipe the entire disk? |
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| 02:30.14 | randompleb | Hi, has anyone tried bridged networking with wireless adapters on QEMU (by using ebtables)? |
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| 02:35.49 | nvz | randompleb: have you tried it? |
| 02:35.57 | randompleb | Yes I did but it didn't work. |
| 02:36.04 | randompleb | I tried it using the debian wiki. |
| 02:36.26 | nvz | really? Does it just sit around on the couch all day playing Ark, refusing to get a job? |
| 02:36.58 | randompleb | uh sorry I don't understand |
| 02:37.22 | nvz | "doesn't work" is vague an unhelpful for support purposes just like taking polls of if anyone has done things.. |
| 02:38.05 | nvz | bridging network atapters in a VM typically means creating a bridge between a host and guest interface whereby the guest interface accesses the host network directly |
| 02:38.36 | skyliner_369 | I'm wondering if git clone has some sort of clobber option |
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| 02:40.39 | somiaj | clober in what sense? |
| 02:40.49 | nvz | doing it using git would be complicated and involve a checkout afaik.. the simpler option is to clone to a new dir and then just use your local commands (mv) to merge/cobber them |
| 02:41.18 | randompleb | Yes, but the ebtables method is technically a "MAC NAT" as they call it. I have little experience regarding this. What the debian wiki method does is change the outgoing packets (originating from the VM) MAC address to the same as the wlan interface. |
| 02:41.34 | skyliner_369 | my google-fu is aweful and I'm staring at the manual. I know the regular clone won't touch a dir that has literally anything in it, so I'm wondering if clone can be told basically "Yes there are files here. if the filenames match, just clobber them." |
| 02:42.33 | nvz | skyliner_369: I re-iterate.. sure it can be done with a slew of complex git commands in proper order.. |
| 02:42.45 | nvz | OR you can just clone to a new empty dir and the use mv to do precisely what you want |
| 02:42.52 | nvz | which is far simpler |
| 02:43.46 | skyliner_369 | trying to put a bash on the... what's that calandar program that I forget the name of? that updates a build from a git daily |
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| 02:44.09 | nvz | you mean cron? |
| 02:44.23 | skyliner_369 | cron or chron something like that yeah |
| 02:44.25 | nvz | its not a calendar, its a sheduler :P |
| 02:44.38 | skyliner_369 | same same only different |
| 02:45.19 | nvz | skyliner_369: the most simple approach I see is create a tmp dir.. you can use tempfile or whatever command even to auto-generate it.. clone there.. use mv to quash/merge/clobber over the actual dir you want this crap in.. then rm the tmp dir |
| 02:45.23 | nvz | simple script |
| 02:45.42 | skyliner_369 | makes sense |
| 02:46.09 | nvz | otherwise you have to make a lot of complicated transactions with the git server |
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| 02:46.30 | nvz | and learn stuff you may not benefit from for you use case |
| 02:46.53 | skyliner_369 | simpler auto-updater might be smart |
| 02:47.00 | nvz | which is probably subject to change, where the simpler approach would be more immune to changes in how git works |
| 02:47.17 | skyliner_369 | makes sense |
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| 02:50.07 | nvz | skyliner_369: the only downsides I see to this simpler approach is, you're going to have possibly twice the data usage during an update.. cause you'll have your existing pool and the tmp pool, temporarily.. and you'll be doing a full clone rather than trying to just get what you need.. |
| 02:50.14 | nvz | but if that doesnt matter to you.. take the simple road :P |
| 02:51.06 | nvz | in other words if the time/disk space/bandwidth of a full clone every time this runs isnt an issue, then its far simpler approach |
| 02:51.20 | skyliner_369 | can chron be told to retry every say 15 minutes and then when it succeeds it waits 24 hours to start the 15 minute thing? |
| 02:52.30 | nvz | idk I'm not real savvy with cron but you need to always be ready to think outside the box and use what you DO understand to accomplish what you DON'T in this kind of environment.. |
| 02:52.53 | nvz | you can just as easily make a script that cron runs, act on an exit code to make another crontab to retry :P |
| 02:52.59 | nvz | or just put a sleep in the script in that event |
| 02:53.49 | nvz | if $? != 0 then sleep 15m; myscript; fi |
| 02:53.51 | nvz | kinda deal |
| 02:54.15 | skyliner_369 | what if the computer is off when chron is scheduled to run the bash? |
| 02:54.53 | nvz | that I also can't answer as I've only an elementary understanding of cron, never really needed it |
| 02:55.23 | skyliner_369 | ah |
| 02:55.42 | nvz | though afaik this is why they made anacron |
| 02:55.45 | nvz | ,i anacron |
| 02:55.46 | judd | Package anacron (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: cron-like program that doesn't go by time. Version: 2.3-28; Size: 33.7k; Installed: 99k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/anacron/; O: #897138 |
| 02:56.13 | nvz | for cases where you want something to happen even if the cron daemon isnt running (the machine is off) when something should have happened |
| 02:56.41 | skyliner_369 | such as updates huh? |
| 02:57.11 | karlpinc | skyliner_369: Best is to tell it to run every 15 minutes, then, in the script run, check to see if it "worked" and does not need to run. |
| 02:57.57 | karlpinc | skyliner_369: But I've not read the backhistory and so don't really know what your end-goal is. |
| 02:59.00 | nvz | yes that is another option just make it run every 15mintues and create a file or log that it can check to see when it last successfully ran |
| 02:59.35 | skyliner_369 | it's an auto-updater. checking every 15 mins might be the simplest. though now I wonder how I might ask the shell to check a touch file for how long ago it was touched and print the result |
| 02:59.59 | karlpinc | skyliner_369: I usually use "find" in that sort of test. |
| 03:00.19 | nvz | if you just have a simple echo "starting myscript at $(date)" >> mylogfile... do stuff.. echo "script completed successfully" or echo "script did not complete successfully" |
| 03:00.27 | nvz | then have it check at the start of the script to see |
| 03:01.00 | karlpinc | "-newer" works for me. |
| 03:01.45 | karlpinc | (or something like that, I forget) |
| 03:03.07 | skyliner_369 | was hoping to just touch an empty file and then have it print the time since last touch in say seconds, since I'm not wanting to use any language other than terminal |
| 03:04.20 | nvz | skyliner_369: try "touch this; stat --printf=%x this" |
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| 03:10.27 | skyliner_369 | can I do math in a termbash? |
| 03:11.13 | nvz | yes but if its advanced math you may want to use a calculator like bc |
| 03:11.24 | nvz | however bash /can/ do basic math fairly reliably |
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| 03:13.00 | nvz | skyliner_369: its similar to the syntax for a subshell which is $() i.e. foo=$(cmd) makes foo a variable with the output of cmd (stdout) however to do math you use $(()) i.e. echo $((2+5)) |
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| 03:18.43 | nvz | though you can also tecnically use let x=0 or such.. where it makes the variable be an integer which math can be performed on like let x = x + 1 or such.. but if greycat where here he'd tell you not to do that I'm sure |
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| 03:22.23 | skyliner_369 | seconds since epoch might help, if that was the clock that was started in the 70s as an absolute time reference? |
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| 03:31.05 | nvz | stat will tell you that too if you use %X instead of %x |
| 03:31.24 | nvz | %X is epoch time, %x is human readable format |
| 03:32.09 | nvz | but idk about bash and floating point math.. I'd use bc or such if I wanted to do fancier math than basic stuff |
| 03:32.30 | nvz | ,i bc |
| 03:32.31 | judd | Package bc (math, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. Version: 1.07.1-2+b1; Size: 106.3k; Installed: 233k; Homepage: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bc/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/bc |
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| 04:01.54 | rrttyy | Did something withing GTK2 / XFCE change recently? My theme zonked out. |
| 04:02.15 | rrttyy | Looks like GTK2 isnt rendering properly anymore. |
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| 04:05.26 | nvz | is it a built in theme or one you manually added ? |
| 04:07.04 | rrttyy | Built-in |
| 04:07.09 | rrttyy | numix-dark |
| 04:07.27 | nvz | have you tried the theme on a different user.. i.e. creating a new user.. |
| 04:07.29 | rrttyy | (it has been about four years, so Im not 100% sure) |
| 04:07.39 | rrttyy | No, I havent tried that. |
| 04:07.48 | rrttyy | I rebooted and it persists |
| 04:07.59 | nvz | well thats a standard diagnostic to rule out some kinda issue with your user's config |
| 04:08.27 | nvz | if a new user cant reproduce the issue, then its not the software, its the configuration |
| 04:08.31 | rrttyy | I havent modified anything X-related in years |
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| 04:08.38 | nvz | YOU havent :P |
| 04:08.45 | nvz | at least that you know of |
| 04:09.27 | rrttyy | What is the default XFCE4 debian theme? |
| 04:09.52 | annadane | i think it just says "xfce" |
| 04:09.55 | nvz | idk but I can check.. gotta go resume the xfce vm on the other machine |
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| 04:10.32 | annadane | it's getting on in age in debian stable :P i assume 4.14 is a bit shinier |
| 04:10.45 | rrttyy | looks like xfce it is |
| 04:10.56 | rrttyy | nvz dont bother with the vm lol |
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| 04:11.48 | nvz | yeah well thats what mine said too just "xfce" |
| 04:11.49 | rrttyy | but even this theme is a bit borked for me, it has weird black borders outside the "shadow gradients" for boxes |
| 04:12.24 | nvz | and its not really a bother.. thats why I have them.. its just that now I bounce back and forth between two different machines and just move them around the house to different docks.. and I dont have it setup to access them from either machine |
| 04:13.19 | nvz | I keep a VM of stable with each of the DEs and keep it in a saved state.. so all I need to do is resume not boot it, which takes a couple seconds clicking on the DE's logo on pull out menu on my panel |
| 04:13.35 | nvz | I also try to keep data from them avaliable |
| 04:13.41 | nvz | !de usage |
| 04:13.41 | dpkg | well, de usage is The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster |
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| 04:14.14 | nvz | when I get around to it I'd like to automate creation and updates of these VM and a page similar to that one I made for buster release |
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| 04:14.55 | skyliner_369 | before I screw anything up, will cp <dir> ~ put <dir> in home or put the contents of <dir> in home? |
| 04:15.14 | skyliner_369 | cp -R* |
| 04:15.22 | rrttyy | That's very cool nvz, I wish I had something like that for my computers |
| 04:16.54 | rrttyy | http://0x0.st/iV2f.png <- what it looks like |
| 04:17.14 | rrttyy | skyliner_369: it will put the dir in home |
| 04:17.34 | rrttyy | cp from to |
| 04:17.49 | rrttyy | cp a->b |
| 04:17.58 | skyliner_369 | good. I don't wanna make an absolute mess of my home by exploding a git in my home |
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| 04:22.13 | skyliner_369 | wanted to make sure that it was copying the folder itself and not the folder contents with cp -R... as in... if cp folder ~ makes a dir like ~/folder |
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| 04:23.29 | skyliner_369 | sorry I just struggle with the whole words thing |
| 04:23.29 | rrttyy | cp folder ~ will copy it to ~/folder |
| 04:23.50 | rrttyy | yeah it's normal, you'll get used to it after using it a couple of hundred times or so |
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| 04:24.44 | skyliner_369 | I know I should know this but I was having some massively stinky ears. (brain fart) |
| 04:25.43 | nvz | mkdir -p foo/bar/baz bar quux; touch foo/bar/quxx; mv foo bar; mv foo/* quux |
| 04:25.57 | nvz | its simple enough to draw up a test case and see how a command behaves |
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| 04:26.28 | nvz | it all has to do with whether or not you use a trailing slash and if you use a wildcard and such |
| 04:26.55 | nvz | and depending on if its cp, mv, rsync, and whether you use it on the src or dst all makes a difference |
| 04:27.33 | nvz | and of course the shell options also matter |
| 04:27.50 | nvz | cause wildcards or globs can vary in bash for example depending on the shopts |
| 04:28.26 | skyliner_369 | just trying to copy a folder to whatever home happens to be for cron... is cron home the same as root home? |
| 04:31.29 | nvz | afaik cronttabs run as the user who owns the cronttab not the user running cron |
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| 04:31.46 | nvz | however there are caveats.. like it doesnt have the same env.. like PATH and such |
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| 04:32.21 | skyliner_369 | also can you use a $tring in a dir in shell scripts? |
| 04:32.49 | nvz | so really its best to just test this stuff.. make a cronttab, have it run a script that does something like echo $(id; env) > ~/crontest |
| 04:33.12 | nvz | then you'll know what user ran the script and what their env contains |
| 04:33.23 | nvz | and how it interprets ~/ |
| 04:34.13 | nvz | skyliner_369: and I'm still adjusting to all this, but afaik cron is no longer really necessary with systemd.. which afaik can do the same thing |
| 04:34.27 | nvz | and will probably be something more modern to learn going forward |
| 04:35.21 | nvz | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.timer.html |
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| 04:35.35 | skyliner_369 | does systemd have things similar to acron? |
| 04:36.01 | nvz | one thing I can say for systemd, which I am still getting used to, is its very well documented and aside from the distros which support it, there is also #systemd where you can be sure to get knowledgable help with it |
| 04:36.13 | skyliner_369 | ahh |
| 04:36.41 | nvz | but freedesktop.org has pretty damn solid documentation on all things systemd |
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| 04:38.00 | nvz | really I need to sit down sometime and relearn everything.. I've got the gist of a lot of the changes.. but I'm still rather n00bish with systemd, udev, polkit, apparmor, and the like |
| 04:38.07 | nvz | or even xdg stuff |
| 04:39.19 | nvz | I've taken to using pkexec over sudo in scripts cause sudo isnt installed by default in any debian configuration unless you do not set a root password, but polkit (which has pkexec) is installed on pretty much ANY debian setup |
| 04:40.13 | nvz | not to mention pkexec is a modern approach which is considerate of modern threat vectors, other modern softwares.. etc.. |
| 04:41.12 | nvz | and those are the kinds of things you gotta ask yourself in this time where a lot has changed recently.. do you wanna learn the old way.. sudo, cron, etc.. to be more universally and traditionally applicable.. |
| 04:41.22 | skyliner_369 | but yeah, can I do something like cp -R $tring/dir where $tring is like "/home/user" |
| 04:41.28 | nvz | or do you want to learn the new way to be more forward thinking |
| 04:41.58 | nvz | skyliner_369: you can do that, yes.. but I would not recommend doing it quite like that.. you want to quote that.. |
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| 04:42.13 | nvz | cp -R "$tring/dir" |
| 04:42.31 | nvz | quote.. everything.. is the general rule.. though there are some exceptions |
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| 04:42.56 | nvz | basically the quotes prevent the shell from interpreting the contents of the variable |
| 04:43.11 | ayjay_t | the meanest thing you can do is require someone install boost |
| 04:43.19 | nvz | and assures it gets passed as an argument to the command |
| 04:43.24 | ayjay_t | sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev:arm64 on my amd64 is not going well |
| 04:43.45 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:43.57 | nvz | I cant remember what silly shit I was doing that I tried that recently |
| 04:44.21 | nvz | right after I attempted it I realized I was being silly and just gave up on whatever it was |
| 04:45.09 | nvz | it was something 3rd party that required it, I just can't remember what it was |
| 04:50.44 | skyliner_369 | can I do things like command1 || command2 || command3 ? |
| 04:50.51 | skyliner_369 | in shell scripts |
| 04:51.14 | uplime | if your shell is a POSIX based shell like Bash, then yes |
| 04:51.38 | skyliner_369 | or is || only 2 args in bash? |
| 04:51.48 | uplime | except for a few edgecases, anything that you can interactively you can do in a shellscript |
| 04:51.57 | uplime | || is a compound expression |
| 04:52.18 | uplime | it isn't aware of nor cares if there are more || after it |
| 04:53.27 | skyliner_369 | basically I'm wanting to make a thing where it cd's somewhere and if that dir doesn't exist, then it tries a parent, and if that parent doesn't exist then it does a mkdir |
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| 04:53.43 | uplime | why not just do a mkdir -p |
| 04:54.12 | uplime | mkdir -p parent/child; if ! cd parent/child; then error; fi |
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| 04:54.26 | skyliner_369 | I guess I could just run the mkdir every time the bash is called |
| 04:54.35 | uplime | its the sanest option |
| 04:54.48 | uplime | if the directory exists, mkdir ignores it with -p passed |
| 04:55.12 | skyliner_369 | ignores and throws 0 errors? |
| 04:55.32 | uplime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.34 | uplime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.36 | nvz | in bash, cmd1;cmd2 means run cmd1 then cmd2, cmd1&&cmd2 means run cmd1 and if it exits successfully, then run cmd2, cmd1||cmd2 means run cmd1 and if it exits unsuccessfully then run cmd2 |
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| 04:57.13 | nvz | this is also easy to test using false, true, and echo |
| 04:57.45 | nvz | false always does nothing, unsuccessfully.. true always does nothing, successfully, and echo will output a newline.. so.. |
| 04:58.31 | nvz | true;echo.. we get a new line.. false;echo we get a new line.. true&&echo we get a new line, false&&echo we do not get a new line.. etc |
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| 04:58.50 | nvz | false||false||echo.. false||true||echo.. |
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| 05:03.16 | nvz | really its the same as running cmd1, then testing if $? == 0 and depending on that condition, running cmd2 or not |
| 05:03.53 | nvz | except testing $? can have different conditions for each possible unsuccessfuly error code |
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| 06:05.05 | aypea[0] | has anyone had their laptop autoresume on hybernation? suspend is ok but if you hybernate it autoresumes |
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| 06:14.26 | jmcnaught | aypea[0]: what is in the logs at the time that it hibernates and resumes? |
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| 06:21.55 | aypea[0] | jmcnaught: lemme doublecheck. dmesg had nothing special. |
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| 07:01.31 | aypea[0] | jmcnaught: should "Image saving progress:" get to 100%? |
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| 07:17.19 | aypea[0] | jmcnaught: n/m. fixed. lesson learnt: hibernation only uses /1/ swap device. |
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| 07:23.37 | efloid | [[ test condition ]] && cmd1 || cmd2 ternary-like operation. use it often ;-) |
| 07:25.18 | efloid | in Java: minVal = a < b ? a : b; ? is the ternary operator |
| 07:26.23 | efloid | Perl also uses ? and : |
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| 09:24.38 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
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| 09:32.23 | jomofcw | I've got a problem. I've two URL that may "load" using 127.0.0.1. But one use the external public IP and I can't understand why... here is a gist of 2 tests : https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/acaa39c69b24044fbe47f5dc87726809 |
| 09:32.55 | jomofcw | (so, the URL is "hosted" by the server on which one I call the "wget") |
| 09:35.08 | ratrace | jomofcw: you're wgetting from two different domains, one is resolving to one IP, the other to the other IP |
| 09:36.02 | ratrace | line 4, you ^C the first wget, then you issue another for DIFFERENT domain, unless you totally failed to censor the second wget request in your paste... |
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| 09:38.59 | jomofcw | ratrace I agree, the problem is that I config the domain the same way :/... I probably miss something, but what :s... |
| 09:39.53 | ratrace | jomofcw: a local /etc/hosts override perhaps |
| 09:40.06 | jomofcw | Thanks I give it a look ! |
| 09:40.17 | ratrace | or you forgot to reload your DNS after changing configs |
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| 09:41.38 | jomofcw | GG WP, you get it ! Thanks so much ratrace and sorry for this "dumb" error :s. |
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| 09:42.21 | ratrace | happens :) |
| 09:43.21 | jomofcw | ratrace is there a way to declare domain with joker in the hosts files ? |
| 09:43.34 | jomofcw | like "*.preprod.*" |
| 09:43.48 | jomofcw | or to do an equivalent somewhere else ? |
| 09:43.49 | jomofcw | Please. |
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| 09:44.13 | ratrace | no but you can run a local resolver like unbound, bind or dnsmasq and define the zones you want |
| 09:44.47 | jomofcw | Is thata "easy" to do ? Any good tutorial you know about it ? As you can see, i'm not really good at that :x. |
| 09:46.35 | ratrace | jomofcw: I don't know any specific tutorials, you can ask google. But I'd recommend go with unbound, it's easiest of them all to set up. Just be careful, you'll have to override how your system is resolving domains (via /etc/resolv.conf which may involve other files depending on how your resolving is set up) |
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| 09:47.25 | ratrace | so maybe set it up to "forward" DNS requests to your upstream/preferred resolver and override only the zones you want; or use it as your main resolver. I use bind for that. |
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| 09:47.48 | jomofcw | I've no resolv.conf file. |
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| 09:48.22 | jomofcw | i've a resolvconf directory instead... |
| 09:48.25 | ratrace | you must have /etc/resolv.conf , even if it's a symlink for systemd-resolved's /run/.. config |
| 09:48.38 | jomofcw | Oh right ! My bad. |
| 09:49.09 | jomofcw | resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 09:50.07 | jomofcw | Here is what it contains : https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/43b127a38b7f812ce97650455c930f88 |
| 09:50.12 | jomofcw | What does it mean, please ? |
| 09:50.16 | ratrace | okay so that's not systemd-resolved but resolvconf's resolv.conf (lol) . I have little experience with resolvconf, so you'll have to look up where is the most authoritative place to define your own resolver, is it resolv.conf still, or some other set up |
| 09:50.44 | ratrace | jomofcw: read the resolv.conf(5) manpage for explanation |
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| 09:50.55 | jomofcw | I think I could use "search" to achieve what I need. |
| 09:50.57 | jomofcw | OK ! |
| 09:51.09 | ratrace | jomofcw: maybe. depends on what your end goal is really |
| 09:51.10 | ratrace | !xy |
| 09:51.10 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 09:52.04 | ratrace | with "search" you can achieve that unqualified hostnames are automatically checked against a domain. So if you had "example.com" in search, trying to wget from, say, "somehost" would check somehost.example.com for A/AAAA records first |
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| 09:55.46 | jomofcw | OK ! That's web server I use for DEV environment. There is few users using it (like in my example : nvincent, preprod, ...). Each one have dedicated domaine name to work, each contains the name of the user, so imo if I can "detect" the string ".user." (e.g. ".nvincent.", ".preprod.", ...) and point all those on 127.0.0.1 it will be perfect. |
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| 09:56.20 | ratrace | you'll need a resolver for that |
| 09:56.39 | rrttyy | So my themes got borked a couple of hours ago and a lot of stuff is just weird. I think I've figured out that krita was the culprit. |
| 09:56.40 | rrttyy | https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme-dark |
| 09:56.48 | rrttyy | But I don't know exactly WHAT went wrong. |
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| 09:57.30 | rrttyy | No GTK2 objects render properly |
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| 09:57.54 | rrttyy | Are there any local theme files (user level) that krita could have corrupted? |
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| 10:05.01 | jomofcw | ratrace so I need unbound according to you ? |
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| 10:06.29 | ratrace | jomofcw: I use Bind, and unbound (see the pun in the name) is recommended for purely resolving purposes (bind is authoritative, caching, recursive resolver, full shebang) |
| 10:07.00 | ratrace | but unbound allows you to override zones, so it can be.... semi-authoritative ... in that case. what you need is authoritative so you can declare the override for a zone |
| 10:08.39 | ratrace | jomofcw: but you must be careful with local resolver, if that's your main/only computer and you mess up DNS, you must know how to revert the changes without needing google |
| 10:11.05 | jomofcw | ratrace OK I understand |
| 10:11.11 | jomofcw | Thanks for your precious help ! |
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| 10:14.21 | bes_internal | Hello. I have problem with kernel 5.5 from backport on debian 10 with ipv6. I send pings, packets go away, but I do not see return packets |
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| 10:29.11 | ratrace | bes_internal: and ipv6 worked before the kernel upgrade? |
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| 10:53.28 | bes_internal | ratrace: rolled away. does not work. the question is closed. thanks |
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| 11:06.57 | cupcake90 | Hi anyone with ipa knowledge is it possible to change ipa backup path |
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| 11:29.51 | ksk | cupcake90: what is ipa? |
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| 11:36.04 | ratrace | the FreeIPA package probably |
| 11:36.35 | dvs | perks up and waits for beer |
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| 11:53.20 | cupcake90 | ksk: sorry its freeipa |
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| 12:04.47 | invizus | I am creating iso with preseed.cfg into initrd following this manual https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
| 12:05.21 | invizus | but when I boot, it seems that preseed.cfg is ignored although present. |
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| 12:06.05 | invizus | I see normal boot screen. any idea what could I have done wrong? |
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| 12:42.39 | nemo | So... I'm reading https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=962289 and trying to understand. the updated files when the bug was closed out were for 3.6.14 it seems. everything behind sid/bullseye is not on 3.6.14 - so are those not backported/fixed? |
| 12:42.40 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/962289 in src:gnutls28 (closed, security, upstream): «gnutls28: CVE-2020-13777: session resumption works without master key allowing MITM»; severity: grave; opened: 2020-06-05; last modified: 2020-06-06. |
| 12:42.47 | nemo | like the bug report calls out 3.6.7 |
| 12:43.16 | nemo | so. it's only partially fixed? and not on stable? just looking for clarification due to the gravity. |
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| 12:45.48 | quadrathoch2 | nemo, https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4697 |
| 12:46.24 | nemo | thanks |
| 12:46.44 | nemo | exactly what I was looking for awesome |
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| 12:47.29 | Brigo | nemo, it fixed through security updates: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-13777 |
| 12:49.29 | nemo | Brigo: yeah, in fact looks like a lot of my stuff picked it up already |
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| 12:49.47 | nemo | Brigo: I have a habit of autoupdating dev/test machines just so that if stuff blows up we'll know sooner on the prod ones |
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| 12:50.47 | nemo | now just gotta figure out how bad the "any TLS1.2 gnutls conversation should be assumed recorded and decryptable" is in practice |
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| 12:51.03 | nemo | like... what apps we were using with passwords that would've been transmitted in that |
| 12:51.16 | nemo | hm. maybe the chat client at work |
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| 14:04.29 | invizus | in debian installer, is there a way to make installer select Install option itself automatically? |
| 14:04.44 | invizus | maybe somewhere in isolinux/menu.cfg ... |
| 14:05.59 | greycat | !fai |
| 14:05.59 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:07.05 | Haohmaru | imagine if this was a library |
| 14:07.24 | Haohmaru | fail |
| 14:07.51 | mason | libfai? |
| 14:08.02 | annadane | what is the difference between that and preseeding? |
| 14:08.19 | Haohmaru | mason y u have to ruin teh joke |
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| 14:08.55 | Haohmaru | there woz this guy here recently fiddling with preseeding, it looks scary |
| 14:09.04 | Haohmaru | maybe this FAI thing is moar elegant? |
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| 14:10.14 | Haohmaru | that's an "accent" ^ |
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| 14:10.54 | invizus | yeah I just figured out preseed .. although still not ideal but thanks for FAI |
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| 16:16.57 | obiwahn | Should one use lvmraid or mdadm? |
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| 16:18.31 | jmcnaught | Do you want to be able to use different RAID levels for different volumes? |
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| 16:23.11 | obiwahn | yes |
| 16:24.39 | jmcnaught | Then lvmraid might be useful for you, because each logical volume can have a different RAID level (assuming you have the space on your physical volumes). |
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| 16:25.26 | obiwahn | Is the tooling equally strong for both options or is mdadm still better? |
| 16:25.30 | jmcnaught | I usually find it easier to just make an array with mdadm, use it as a PV, so that all LVs can be simple/linear and get the same level of redundancy. |
| 16:26.01 | obiwahn | To be honest I did not know about lvmraid until today so it is new to me. I have always used mdadm. |
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| 16:28.03 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: from what I understand LVM is still using the same mdraid code in the background. What you should check into is if you can do all operations you want to be able to do on the LVM RAID volumes. |
| 16:28.21 | jmcnaught | obiwahn: for example, can you snapshot them? Can they be resized? I can't remember those details. |
| 16:29.21 | jmcnaught | I just found that the added flexibility had a cost of more complexity that wasn't worth it for my simple needs. |
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| 16:44.29 | zerocool | anyone here run a windows vm with gpu passthrough for gaming? |
| 16:44.38 | zerocool | wondering how hard that is to pull off these days |
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| 16:45.17 | jmcnaught | zerocool: I do that, it's pretty easy to set up if you already have some virtualization experience. |
| 16:46.11 | zerocool | jmcnaught: i very do. is the performance worth it and how do you handle giving an entire monitor over to windows? is there a way to quickly toggle this? |
| 16:46.22 | zerocool | or the other VM |
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| 16:48.21 | jmcnaught | zerocool: The performance seems pretty good, I get decent framerates for the hardware I have. I have a monitor dedicated to the Windows VM. When it's not in use the GPU that I passthrough just goes into idle (Debian doesn't use it). |
| 16:49.03 | jmcnaught | zerocool: my host GPU can do multiple monitors, so I can use the second display in Debian if I switch inputs, but I find that a little cumbersome so I don't usually bother with it. |
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| 16:49.40 | quadrathoch2 | maybe worth looking into looking glass :) |
| 16:50.10 | jmcnaught | zerocool: people do use scripts to unbind the GPU from vfio-pci so that the host OS can use it when the VM is shut down, but I don't bother with that because I have two graphics cards. |
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| 16:51.17 | zerocool | jmcnaught: ahh, things I hadn't thought about yet. can you use such scripts while the vm is up or at least paused? |
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| 16:52.01 | jmcnaught | No, the VM gets complete exclusive access to the PCIe device while it is running. |
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| 16:52.30 | zerocool | damn... i don't think it'll work for me |
| 16:53.05 | jmcnaught | zerocool: this is basically what it took to set up: here is my /etc/modprobe.d/local-vfio.conf: https://termbin.com/78x4 and my /etc/default/grub (for the kernel cmdline): https://termbin.com/40yq the rest you can do in virt-manager. |
| 16:53.30 | jmcnaught | update initramfs and grub too. |
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| 16:56.42 | zerocool | jmcnaught: thanks for the info. |
| 16:57.09 | zerocool | not sure i'll be able do do this without a second gpu and new psu. |
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| 16:59.25 | quadrathoch2 | zerocool, there are options for only using 1 gpu. see if maybe yours can handle it (it just a really bad hack) |
| 16:59.35 | jmcnaught | zerocool: if your CPU has an integrated GPU that should work too. If the integrated GPU is the only GPU you have (and it's Intel) then check out GVT-g. |
| 17:01.13 | zerocool | yeah unfortunately my motherboard doensn't have the IO for the intigrated video... |
| 17:01.24 | zerocool | 3950x, 2080ti |
| 17:01.56 | zerocool | motherboard is "too cool" for integrated :( |
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| 17:05.06 | jmcnaught | djkhaled_sufferingfromsuccess.jpg :P |
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| 17:45.44 | zerocool | yuup |
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| 18:16.34 | dka | I have a Lenovo X1 Carbon gen 1 on Debian, I want to format to windows 10 french 64bit (I know..., it's for a present) , I am unsure if I need to have UEFI usb bootable key |
| 18:17.07 | dka | right now I have mounted the downloaded iso , formatted the usb stick to fat 32 and I am copying all the iso into the key. I am unsure if debian can boot on the key and if it needs to be configured somehow for uefi or secure boot |
| 18:17.37 | dka | How can I efficiently without loosing time format it to win 10? |
| 18:17.57 | greycat | how would we know? ask ##windows. |
| 18:18.01 | dka | I remember that I changed my OS setting while installing debian |
| 18:18.15 | dka | Well, windows people doesn't even know what is an OS tbh |
| 18:18.44 | annadane | there's something funny about the fact the windows support channel is ## as in unofficial |
| 18:19.05 | annadane | god forbid microsoft have anything on irc |
| 18:19.07 | greycat | you mean Microsoft doesn't have a dedicated official paid support team on Freenode ?!?! |
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| 18:19.20 | annadane | yeah, i suppose that would be a bit silly |
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| 18:26.09 | zerocool | it would just be thousands of people screaming for help with no reply |
| 18:26.18 | zerocool | 24/7/365 |
| 18:26.49 | greycat | that's how the #ubuntu channel works, right? ;-) |
| 18:26.57 | zerocool | i mean... |
| 18:27.20 | zerocool | that is how it seems |
| 18:27.26 | EdePopede | wasn't ubuntu the linux for windowers? |
| 18:27.52 | zerocool | being arguably the most popular linux... it's the one that windows people end up with first |
| 18:28.30 | EdePopede | i came from DOS, maybe that's why i didn't get rolled over by slackware. |
| 18:28.31 | zerocool | back in the day there were other flavors (probably still around) that would mimic windows to make that switch more comfy. |
| 18:29.18 | greycat | there used to be an fvwm95 package that was fvwm configured to emulate win95 UI |
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| 18:30.21 | EdePopede | to be fair, windows had its moments, not sure if *everything* was their own breed, but some things really were good. still no reason to transfer *everything* to the linux desktop. |
| 18:30.59 | EdePopede | yep, the taskbar and the bin was such a thing. as known from apple ;) |
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| 18:31.39 | EdePopede | at least there was no need anymore for extra icon areas and special buttons on the desktop |
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| 18:32.22 | EdePopede | right now my xfce panel only spans 1/3 of the screen, some parts of it will return to conky and hotkeys sooner or later. |
| 18:32.28 | zerocool | EdePopede: i think it's still true, they do some things right, by mistake it seems because they always end up circling back to jack it up. |
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| 18:33.40 | EdePopede | btw, is there a desktop/wm with the titlebar NOT on top of the windows, but on another border? (but not mac-like on top of the desktop) |
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| 18:49.47 | skyliner_369 | https://paste.debian.net/1151232/ How's this bash script look? just making sure I'm not missing something obvious |
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| 18:52.20 | uplime | skyliner_369: theres ually not much reason to use declare -i |
| 18:52.29 | uplime | but best to feed it through shellcheck |
| 18:52.43 | annadane | for future reference, #bash is a more bash-specific channel |
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| 18:53.04 | uplime | that too |
| 18:53.57 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: install to /usr/local/games not /usr/games, that directory should be reserved for packages. |
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| 18:55.32 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: why do you check for how long it has been since last run? Can't you just schedule it with cron or a systemd.timer? |
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| 18:57.30 | yakamo | i noticed some changes in debian recently |
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| 18:57.48 | yakamo | i went to install deb10 on a vps then laptop and home server |
| 18:57.55 | yakamo | i usualy do a base install |
| 18:57.59 | yakamo | but alot of things are missing |
| 18:58.32 | yakamo | for example it would not connect to the network automaticaly |
| 18:58.36 | yakamo | dhclient was missing |
| 18:58.41 | yakamo | among many things |
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| 18:59.08 | yakamo | when i install a new system with desktop im having to use sudo for simple things like "blkid" |
| 18:59.11 | yakamo | when in root |
| 18:59.13 | yakamo | or iptables |
| 18:59.24 | yakamo | are these deliberate changes in debian |
| 18:59.24 | yakamo | ? |
| 18:59.46 | sney | your list is too vague to be sure, but check this https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
| 18:59.58 | greycat | !buster su |
| 18:59.58 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 19:00.45 | yakamo | ah ok |
| 19:01.02 | yakamo | so with a minimal install i could build up my system before |
| 19:01.09 | yakamo | now it seems not possible wihtout alot of headache |
| 19:01.18 | dka | I am trying to create a Windows usb 10 stick from debian |
| 19:01.18 | dka | I have build and install woeusb according to their readme |
| 19:01.18 | dka | I am running : sudo woeusb --device /home/dka/Downloads/Win10_1909_French_x64.iso /dev/sdb |
| 19:01.19 | greycat | You can. Just install whatever you want. |
| 19:01.54 | yakamo | greycat: doesnt seem to be that simple when your network card wont connected |
| 19:02.02 | yakamo | i used debian 8 no issues |
| 19:02.03 | greycat | Well yeah, obviously. |
| 19:02.07 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 19:02.07 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:02.07 | yakamo | building from minimal |
| 19:02.35 | greycat | (Or you could just use ethernet like a normal human being.) |
| 19:02.48 | yakamo | thats what i mean ethernet |
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| 19:03.17 | yakamo | is it normal that dhclient isnt install on the new minimal installs? |
| 19:03.20 | dka | it gives me the following error: Error: File "/media/woeusb_source_1591729286_28902/sources/install.wim" in source image has exceed the FAT32 Filesystem 4GiB Single File Size Limitation and cannot be installed. You must specify a different --target-filesystem. |
| 19:03.21 | dka | I did format the usb key from gparted in ntfs |
| 19:03.24 | yakamo | not part of the standard utils |
| 19:04.02 | jmcnaught | yakamo: did you become root with "su"? |
| 19:04.07 | greycat | I can assure you, a "Standard" install from buster's netinst includes enough software to bring up the Ethernet interface via IPv4 DHCP on an Intel-based system. |
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| 19:04.38 | yakamo | jmcnaught: yes |
| 19:04.44 | greycat | If you'd slow the hell down and FOCUS on ONE alleged problem at a time, you might be able to start fixing some of them. |
| 19:05.00 | yakamo | greycat: for some reason this aint happening on several machines |
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| 19:05.12 | yakamo | greycat: different hardware |
| 19:05.15 | jmcnaught | yakamo: You need to use "su -" now to get root's environment and PATH (which includes /sbin) |
| 19:05.22 | yakamo | dpkg: thanks for the link |
| 19:05.22 | dpkg | yakamo: pas de quoi |
| 19:05.23 | greycat | The installer runs DHCP and you can see this happen. |
| 19:05.50 | yakamo | yeah it works fine during install |
| 19:05.51 | karlpinc | yakamo: isc-dhcp-client is priority "important". That means if you do an absolute minimal install it won't install because it's not absolutely essential. |
| 19:05.51 | skyliner_369 | jmcnaught: because of cron not running when the PC is off |
| 19:05.53 | yakamo | after not |
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| 19:06.10 | skyliner_369 | though setting a systemd timer might be a better option. |
| 19:06.16 | greycat | Well, they said "minimal" but they also said "standard", so they need to make up their goddamned mind. |
| 19:06.18 | yakamo | karlpinc: these things all worked in pervious version on the same systems |
| 19:06.31 | greycat | They also work in Debian 10. We've DONE it. |
| 19:06.42 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: systemd.timers can be persistent, search for Pesistent= in "man systemd.timer" |
| 19:06.50 | karlpinc | yakamo: Is it an "su" problem? (As jmcnaught asked?) |
| 19:06.52 | yakamo | ive done nothing different, just changed the version of debian |
| 19:07.07 | greycat | WHAT IS THE EXACT PROBLEM YOU ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW |
| 19:07.36 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: heh excuse my typo, Persistent= is the directive you're looking for |
| 19:07.54 | karlpinc | !errors |
| 19:07.54 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 19:08.00 | karlpinc | yakamo: ^^ |
| 19:08.12 | yakamo | sorry got multiple activitys going at the moment |
| 19:08.18 | skyliner_369 | was thinking of just cutting out all the timing and running the bash manually |
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| 19:09.16 | yakamo | ok so when i do my usual minimal install of debian on my laptop or home server there are lots of packages missing and for example one of many issues is the eth not working |
| 19:09.39 | greycat | Are you logged into the computer that is having the problem *now*? |
| 19:09.39 | yakamo | why there missing i dont know |
| 19:09.48 | sney | you're going to need to give details. nobody knows what your "usual minimal install" means or what "lots of packages missing" refers to. |
| 19:09.50 | sney | !your screen |
| 19:09.50 | dpkg | Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what> |
| 19:10.19 | yakamo | i dont know what the issue is thats why im here |
| 19:10.26 | greycat | The ONLY thing I can GUESS is that you have some fucking atrocious bleeding edge hardware that needs nonfree firmware for ethernet and you didn't use the firmware installer. |
| 19:10.28 | yakamo | im wonder if theres major changes that has caused this |
| 19:10.38 | yakamo | greycat: no old computers |
| 19:10.45 | greycat | If you want something other than a guess, provide DETAILS. |
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| 19:11.07 | yakamo | greycat: i guess i dont have more details |
| 19:11.19 | yakamo | standard packages are missing thtas all i know |
| 19:11.27 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:11.39 | yakamo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.42 | jmcnaught | yakamo: did you use "su" or "su -" to become root, which one? |
| 19:11.49 | greycat | "I can't tell you the laptop model! You are just going to have to read my mind!!" |
| 19:12.08 | greycat | !psychic |
| 19:12.08 | dpkg | Most of us are not psychic, and require information in a tangible form. |
| 19:12.51 | ws2k3 | im trying to find out why my pure-ftpd is failing instandly after starting. but systemd reports nothing else but failed. and there is no error log. how would i debug this? |
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| 19:13.28 | yakamo | i cant install at the moment as i installed another distro |
| 19:13.32 | greycat | Run the daemon directly from a shell. |
| 19:13.40 | yakamo | ill come back to another day maybe |
| 19:13.42 | sney | ws2k3: some older daemons have a setting that keeps it from starting until you go through the whole config file and enable it. |
| 19:13.46 | yakamo | thanks for the help |
| 19:13.50 | jmcnaught | yakamo: so you're not even here to troubleshoot, just complain? |
| 19:13.55 | yakamo | have a good day and stay safe folks |
| 19:13.58 | greycat | Assuming it even runs as a daemon, and not as an inetd or socket-activated thing. |
| 19:14.19 | yakamo | jmcnaught: was curious if there was a big change that might point me in the right direction |
| 19:14.28 | yakamo | i never kept logs for this situation |
| 19:14.37 | yakamo | needed a system up and running with minimal effort |
| 19:14.39 | jmcnaught | yakamo: Debian releases always have release notes that list major changes, they're on the website. |
| 19:15.12 | ws2k3 | yes it runs as a daemon |
| 19:15.25 | greycat | then starting it from a shell should give you errors, or something |
| 19:16.06 | karlpinc | (Frankly, the release notes have gotten hard to find with buster. Or that's my experience. They used to be on the home page. As long as I'm griping, I wish they were called "upgrade instructions".) |
| 19:16.14 | ws2k3 | greycat: when i just execute /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd it does not crash |
| 19:16.27 | greycat | and is that the same command the systemd unit runs? |
| 19:16.35 | greycat | does the unit have any restrictions? |
| 19:17.02 | sney | (and is it loading a config file that stops the daemon from loading until you set it up properly?) |
| 19:17.20 | ws2k3 | greycat: weird. service pure-ftpd start fails. but /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start works just fine |
| 19:17.44 | joshh | try the command in the execstart from the systemd file |
| 19:17.49 | joshh | and with the same settings from there |
| 19:18.04 | ws2k3 | i did that is /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
| 19:18.08 | ws2k3 | and then it start just fine |
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| 19:18.45 | sney | the systemd unit is calling an initscript? |
| 19:19.03 | ws2k3 | sney: yes. |
| 19:19.07 | karlpinc | would put a lot of work into finding an alternative to ftp, like sftp, because ftp sucks. I realize this is not always feasible. |
| 19:19.12 | sney | !ftp must die |
| 19:19.12 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . For authenticated file transfer, ask me about <sftp>. For unauthenticated download, HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . Debian ceased offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
| 19:19.17 | joshh | what are you doing with ftp btw? just curious |
| 19:19.18 | ws2k3 | but as long it works with the init file it fine by me for now |
| 19:19.24 | ws2k3 | its jessie anyway and will be upgrade soon |
| 19:20.00 | ws2k3 | JohnDoh: people can upload video's |
| 19:20.02 | joshh | i used to run proftpd and vsftpd a long ass time ago but never pure |
| 19:20.10 | joshh | but those were both basically zero problems on debian |
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| 19:20.39 | ws2k3 | sney: joshh: does pureftp or proftpd can offer sftp? |
| 19:20.49 | sney | openssh-server has sftp. |
| 19:21.04 | joshh | do you mean ftps (ssl)? |
| 19:21.23 | greycat | hope to god he doesn't mean ftps |
| 19:21.26 | sney | and don't use public ftp to let people upload videos, what is this, 1998? |
| 19:21.34 | ws2k3 | sney: joshh no i do not mean ftps i mean sftp(ssh) but openssh-server is a nightmare to manage |
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| 19:21.46 | ws2k3 | when using chrooted accounts its a pain in the ass the get the logs and stuff |
| 19:21.48 | joshh | unpopular opinion probably |
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| 19:22.07 | sney | there are a gajillion scripts that render an uploader in html, just use that like a normal person |
| 19:22.19 | ws2k3 | sney: true |
| 19:22.51 | joshh | are the videos pr0n? |
| 19:23.03 | ws2k3 | joshh: ofcrouse :D |
| 19:23.22 | joshh | what happened to the days of porn using cutting edge tech |
| 19:23.42 | jelly | honestly sftp with chroots and logging is a bit complex, but you only have to figure it out once |
| 19:24.13 | joshh | how hard can the automation be |
| 19:24.23 | jelly | joshh, porn sites use most cost efficient tech, that does not necessarily mean cutting edge |
| 19:24.37 | joshh | they used to have some front end innovation i guess |
| 19:24.46 | jelly | it does mean pgsql and mysql clusters and HA and load balancers. |
| 19:24.58 | joshh | in web1.0 they were like the fanciest |
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| 19:27.34 | greycat | Oh, fun. According to https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/pure-ftpd/filelist there is no systemd unit file. It's still using sysv-rc. |
| 19:28.04 | sney | speaking of cutting edge3 |
| 19:28.08 | greycat | A good sign that the package is not really maintained. |
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| 19:38.13 | dka | this is the log when i try to format with woeusb my stick: http://paste.debian.net/1151240/ any idea why it is failing at the very end? |
| 19:38.18 | rafalcpp | can't report segfault in libspeex1, emails sent to submit@bugs.debian.org fail with graylist |
| 19:39.05 | sney | rafalcpp: save the bug report to a text file and resend it from a public email address |
| 19:39.18 | rafalcpp | sney: what do you mean from public email address? |
| 19:39.24 | sney | gmail, yahoo, whatever |
| 19:39.26 | rafalcpp | (already saved the text of report) |
| 19:39.29 | rafalcpp | sney: but why? |
| 19:39.47 | sney | if your email address is being filtered for some reason it's a standard workaround |
| 19:39.52 | rafalcpp | it's inconvinient, my email providers works fine |
| 19:40.12 | greycat | If you're using a real MTA, just wait for the retries. That's how greylisting works. |
| 19:40.49 | rafalcpp | greycat: it's an email provider, just much smaller than say yahoo. ok will wait I guess |
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| 19:47.00 | dka | how can I create a bootable key of windows 10 ? |
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| 19:48.04 | annadane | lol |
| 19:48.07 | sney | lol |
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| 19:48.59 | sney | dka: if you haven't already guessed, support for 3rd party utilities for making a windows installer is offtopic in #debian. maybe you should ask the woeusb people or read their docs |
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| 19:53.06 | n4dir | just installed debian, getting a message about root's path not containing /sbin /usr/sbin or such. If running echo $PATH indeed none of sbins are listed. How may that be? |
| 19:53.13 | greycat | !buster su |
| 19:53.13 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 19:53.24 | n4dir | that easy. thanks a lot |
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| 19:54.37 | n4dir | once here another question. For days i am looking for a program similar to synthesia. There once was linthesia, but it isn't anymore (only for arm?). I am looking for a similar app (piano falldown notes). |
| 19:54.45 | filpAM | Is there a command line dictionary? |
| 19:54.51 | filpAM | What can I use? |
| 19:55.12 | annadane | filpAM, your question isn't clear |
| 19:55.18 | greycat | dict is acceptable if you're willing to wait for an HTTP response |
| 19:55.27 | filpAM | annadene: I wan a cmmand line dicionary |
| 19:55.35 | greycat | if you want a 100% offline dictionary then I don't know of any |
| 19:55.43 | annadane | oh DICTIONARY |
| 19:55.47 | annadane | i misread that as directory, sorry |
| 19:55.49 | n4dir | there is "ding" |
| 19:56.15 | n4dir | you could just "grep" through it's wordlists. |
| 19:56.22 | n4dir | from the command line |
| 19:56.30 | greycat | you could always create a shell command that opens lynx/w3m with a constructed URL that gives you a page from m-w.com or whatever |
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| 20:06.16 | Akuw | i am using ls -l but it does not show year |
| 20:08.43 | sney | Akuw: -l shows a timestamp instead of the year if the file was modified in the current year |
| 20:08.55 | Akuw | i need to see year |
| 20:09.00 | greycat | 6 months |
| 20:10.20 | joshh | Akuw: you can parse the output of stat instead of ls to get a more standard timestamp |
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| 20:15.42 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 20:15.48 | neilthereildeil | im running debian buster |
| 20:15.57 | neilthereildeil | how can i install the guacamole package? |
| 20:16.09 | neilthereildeil | i tried apt-get install guacd and guacamole |
| 20:16.12 | neilthereildeil | but netiher worked |
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| 20:16.39 | Akuw | https://wiki.debian.org/Guacamole |
| 20:16.50 | greycat | unicorn:~$ apt-cache search guacamole |
| 20:16.50 | greycat | unicorn:~$ |
| 20:17.06 | greycat | obvious follow-up question: what is "guacamole", and what made you think Debian had it as a package? |
| 20:17.23 | annadane | for me it says it's a virtual package |
| 20:17.37 | neilthereildeil | ive installed it before |
| 20:17.42 | neilthereildeil | on an older version of debian |
| 20:17.48 | neilthereildeil | and then i dist-upgraded |
| 20:17.52 | neilthereildeil | and its now working now |
| 20:17.55 | neilthereildeil | so i uninstalled it |
| 20:17.56 | annadane | apt show guacamole N: Can't select versions from package 'guacamole' as it is purely virtual |
| 20:17.56 | apt | annadane: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:17.58 | neilthereildeil | but now i cannto reinstall it |
| 20:17.59 | annadane | shut up |
| 20:18.20 | neilthereildeil | cannot* |
| 20:18.31 | greycat | It's apparently not in current releases of Debian. |
| 20:18.43 | neilthereildeil | greycat: was it recently removed? |
| 20:18.49 | neilthereildeil | since the last version of debian? |
| 20:18.55 | neilthereildeil | that would explain a lot... |
| 20:19.04 | annadane | ,v guacamole |
| 20:19.05 | judd | Package: guacamole on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.3-1.1; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.9.9+dfsg-1 |
| 20:19.09 | annadane | ^ yar |
| 20:19.15 | annadane | ,checkbackport guacamole |
| 20:19.17 | judd | Backporting package guacamole in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 20:19.21 | annadane | !ssb |
| 20:19.21 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:19.22 | Akuw | https://www.mogilowski.net/2020/03/23/install-guacamole-1-1-0-on-debian-10-with-db-authentication/ |
| 20:20.18 | joshh | it makes me want some guacamole |
| 20:20.19 | mezzo | seems to be on oldoldstable oldstable unstable but not stable |
| 20:20.38 | mezzo | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=guacamole&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 20:20.51 | neilthereildeil | ok, so that means it WAS removed from a recent version of Debian, correct? |
| 20:21.10 | greycat | The sid version being the same as the stretch version tells me it was dropped from testing and never re-entered testing, indicating it's probably close to abandoned. |
| 20:21.18 | greycat | The tracker should have the history. |
| 20:21.18 | neilthereildeil | ok |
| 20:21.42 | neilthereildeil | so then i guess ill have to compile and install it manually |
| 20:21.45 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/guacamole |
| 20:22.07 | greycat | No activity since it was removed from testing in 2017. |
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| 20:22.45 | n4dir | wasn't there a package which included the debian(application)menu in some window managers like fluxbox? |
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| 20:24.47 | mezzo | there is a 'menu' pkg |
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| 20:26.12 | n4dir | it's installed, back then fluxbox had a menu out of box. hm. |
| 20:27.33 | mezzo | I use openbox myself |
| 20:27.42 | mezzo | what is your problem exactly ? |
| 20:29.18 | n4dir | there are no apps in the applications menu, which gets activated by righ mouse click on the screen just like in openbox |
| 20:29.42 | n4dir | i installed fluxbox instead of openbox, because i recall fluxbox had the apps menu out of box. |
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| 20:33.08 | joshh | i remember fluxbox having a menu a long time ago, but i remember creating it entirely by hand, can't remember what was out of box exactly |
| 20:33.32 | mezzo | I also edit my own menu in openbox |
| 20:33.51 | joshh | i last used it like 15 years ago though |
| 20:33.59 | mezzo | when there's an error in the txt te application doesn't show |
| 20:35.10 | mezzo | I'd check the (probable) .config/fluxbox/menu.xml [if the same as in openbox] |
| 20:35.34 | greycat | *shudder* xml |
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| 20:36.43 | n4dir | thing is i don't want to create the menu, if there is a way to quickly add it i would do it,else i don't really care |
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| 20:39.18 | mezzo | it should be there by default... but in my case if I add an application, I have to add it in the config file |
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| 20:39.49 | n4dir | the menu is there, but it is pretty empty. xclock, xeyes and such |
| 20:39.56 | mezzo | (I don't do it often, since I always use the same things :) |
| 20:40.34 | greycat | a menu containing xeyes and xclock was probably put there by a developer, decades ago, not by a Debian thing that generates *.desktop files or whatever |
| 20:41.08 | n4dir | yeah, and that is how fluxbox was on all distros (i know). but debian included something like a debian-menu. |
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| 20:41.25 | mezzo | I don't know of any pkg that updates that menu automatically as you install apps... |
| 20:41.28 | greycat | it probably stopped working a decade ago and nobody replaced it |
| 20:41.40 | greycat | who knows, I don't use it |
| 20:41.58 | greycat | my fvwm root menus are hand-crafted |
| 20:43.09 | mezzo | I used wmaker a lot a few years ago and the menu was updated... |
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| 20:43.23 | mezzo | lot/few/* |
| 20:43.54 | mezzo | it's quite light too... |
| 20:44.08 | n4dir | yup, it is nice. I think too |
| 20:44.32 | greycat | Near as I can tell, the old Debian Menu thing was replaced by XDG's *.desktop files, and nobody bothered maintaining the old thing. |
| 20:44.51 | greycat | If you can get it working again, uh, congrats. |
| 20:44.54 | n4dir | i switched to openbox, but this time i installed fluxbox to quickly get a menu, as i use quite some new apps right now |
| 20:45.18 | n4dir | greycat: what i do recall that the package was called debian-xdg-whatever. |
| 20:45.44 | greycat | pretty sure this is before xdg |
| 20:45.53 | n4dir | some window-managers had a menu, and a subsection just called "debian", and that had all the apps |
| 20:46.02 | greycat | !menu |
| 20:46.03 | dpkg | i heard menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your window manager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (i.e. install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers). To add new menu entries, read /etc/menu/README. See also <menu-methods>. |
| 20:46.23 | greycat | ,v menu |
| 20:46.25 | judd | Package: menu on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.47; bullseye: 2.1.47+b1; buster: 2.1.47+b1; sid: 2.1.47+b1; stretch: 2.1.47+b1 |
| 20:46.28 | mezzo | I use this in my .bash_aliases : alias rox='nohup rox-filer >/dev/null &' |
| 20:46.29 | greycat | still *there*, in theory |
| 20:46.41 | mezzo | you can do the same with alliases to your apps |
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| 20:46.51 | mezzo | and launch them from terminal |
| 20:46.55 | n4dir | i guess for me it is more fast to learn the new apps names instead of learning how to create the menu .... |
| 20:46.58 | mezzo | if that helps... |
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| 20:49.04 | mezzo | you can fin examples of menus easy... |
| 20:49.17 | mezzo | if I can do it... |
| 20:50.50 | n4dir | makes you wonder how desktop environments do it |
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| 20:56.58 | greycat | n4dir: current desktop environments use *.desktop files. See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_entries and so on. |
| 20:57.35 | greycat | Debian's "menu" package predates all that. |
| 20:58.08 | n4dir | but they do it automatically. |
| 20:58.15 | karlpinc | Adding to the menus is all "automatic" now, right? (Seems to work for me.) |
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| 21:25.57 | zeroed | Hello. What would be the recommended way to change (or add) the DNS name resolvers? supersede domain-name-servers in dhclient.conf, dns-nameserver stanza in /etc/interfaces, or also resolvconf? Thank you in advance. |
| 21:26.06 | greycat | !override dns |
| 21:26.06 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
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| 21:48.12 | CaptainShell | MY storage hard drive will not spin down for more than 1 second whenever it is mounted. There is absolutly nothing using any files on it. No trouble unmounting it. |
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| 21:51.05 | CaptainShell | Has anoyone else had the problem of termbin.com timing out after 10 seconds or whatever it is? You can't do $ command | nc termbin.com 9999 # if command takes more than 10 seconds to complete. |
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| 21:53.33 | uplime | I personally use clbin. It's over HTTPS so fully secure |
| 21:53.44 | uplime | https://clbin.com/9f3EU |
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| 21:56.01 | CaptainShell | You're implying that HTTPS is fully secure :) |
| 21:56.11 | greycat | CaptainShell: I implemented a site that's very similar, and mine times out after 250 ms of no traffic. At some point you *have* to decide the sender's done sending. There's no other way you can know. |
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| 21:56.32 | CaptainShell | greycat: doesn't EOF close the socket? |
| 21:56.51 | greycat | CaptainShell: either write the output to a temp file and then send the temp file, or use one of the other services that involves a paste into a web page. |
| 21:56.58 | uplime | CaptainShell: it is :) |
| 21:57.01 | greycat | And no, the receiver has no idea that your client received an EOF on stdin. |
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| 21:57.29 | CaptainShell | It does know when the remote socket closes though |
| 21:57.41 | Sparticuss | I don't suppose checking for rootkits is necessary in Buster? https://spreadprivacy.com/linux-privacy-tips/ |
| 21:57.51 | greycat | Sure. If the socket closes, then it'll end there as well, but then you won't get back the URL. |
| 21:58.19 | CaptainShell | oh of course! |
| 21:59.04 | CaptainShell | Now isn't there some possibly not always used feature of TCP that lets the remote socket send data after the other end requests the socket to close? |
| 21:59.19 | CaptainShell | So the URL must be given at the beginning of the paste! |
| 21:59.48 | greycat | Mine is https://paste.wooledge.org/ and you can see the source code if you want. |
| 22:00.23 | CaptainShell | thanks |
| 22:00.39 | CaptainShell | I should modify it and 9998 is 10 seconds and 9997 is 30 seconds ... |
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| 22:01.47 | CaptainShell | Is TCL well suited to these kinds of tasks? Would perl be good as well? |
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| 22:02.45 | greycat | Tcl has excellent sqlite interfaces, which is one of the reasons I chose it. |
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| 22:07.04 | g0zzy | Looking for a screen magnifier for Buster Mate desktop. Don't want to have to install kmag. Any ideas? |
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| 22:07.27 | JustTheDoctor | Im currently trying to setup old versions of some deps for some things i need to compile, I've never had to compile gcc 4.3.3 let alone gcc period, can anyone guide me threw it? |
| 22:07.27 | CaptainShell | I wonder what Knoppix uses when you press winkey+m or whatever it is |
| 22:07.58 | CaptainShell | JustTheDoctor: you could switch to Gentoo for the time being ... |
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| 22:08.32 | JustTheDoctor | CaptainShell i am doing it on a VPS with ssh |
| 22:08.47 | CaptainShell | But for gcc (and binutils too) you set your CFLAGS / CXXFLAGS and run ./configure then make and then make install to put it in to your --prefix= |
| 22:09.32 | CaptainShell | GCC 4 should be compatible with the later versions. Going from 3.x to 4.x where they made compiler warnings in to errors was the big change, but that was 10 years ago. |
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| 22:11.52 | CaptainShell | JustTheDoctor: how old is the software? |
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| 22:13.05 | JustTheDoctor | CaptainShell bitcoin old |
| 22:13.31 | CaptainShell | The old 2012 and such versions won't compile on modern GCC JustTheDoctor ? |
| 22:13.42 | JustTheDoctor | i have to use GCC 4.3.3 OpenSSL 0.9.8g Berkeley DB 4.8.30.NC Boost 1.37 miniupnpc 1.6 |
| 22:13.44 | CaptainShell | You need Berkeley DB 4 and sucH? |
| 22:13.47 | JustTheDoctor | CaptainShell i think i can use modern |
| 22:14.01 | JustTheDoctor | im going to skip GCC but right now im having a issue with openssl |
| 22:14.02 | CaptainShell | oh yeab boost is a C++ library |
| 22:14.19 | CaptainShell | you need libstdc++.5 or so? |
| 22:15.18 | CaptainShell | libstdc++5 is available in Debian |
| 22:16.00 | CaptainShell | You need the -dev version of every package that the programs that you're compiling will use |
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| 22:16.42 | JustTheDoctor | ya i ran the commands like its suppost to |
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| 22:20.01 | JustTheDoctor | i think i am just going to give up on my goal, i dont know what im doing :| |
| 22:20.06 | JustTheDoctor | CaptainShell do you use Crypto? |
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| 22:34.42 | CaptainShell | JustTheDoctor: I have, but I used the included binary |
| 22:34.57 | JustTheDoctor | unfortnetly the one im using doesnt have the included :| |
| 22:35.09 | JustTheDoctor | have to compile from source |
| 22:35.28 | CaptainShell | If you can get the older boost and libstdc++5 or 6 and db4 you can just put those libraries in one directory |
| 22:35.52 | CaptainShell | This is one of the most unfortunate aspects of GNU |
| 22:36.18 | CaptainShell | old libraries are just gone, and the new ones have no backward compatibility |
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| 22:36.59 | CaptainShell | You could just use the Windows version :) |
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| 23:13.01 | n4dir | anyone still here who helped discussing if fluxbox updated the menu automatically in the past? Just installed debian jessie and there it does it. |
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| 23:14.42 | n4dir | oh. and do i need to take any actions regarding sources.list when running jessie? |
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| 23:19.16 | Bugz000 | Hey i'm having trouble, i'm trying to install Vagrant and Virtualbox on debian 10, i see virtualbox isn't officially supported, i've tried installing the backport etc but i can't seem to get past the error about dkms headers or something, there must be a way to get this to work :( |
| 23:19.50 | Bugz000 | the alternative for me is to completely wipe the OS and install a container handler like proxmox and have two seperate OS, it's a lot of work |
| 23:20.07 | quadrathoch2 | Bugz000, just use the official repo from Oracle ;) |
| 23:20.23 | Bugz000 | surely i didn't miss that... ffs one sec |
| 23:20.36 | sney | if you're having an "error about dkms headers or something" that *probably* means that you need to install linux-headers-amd64. and then the dkms package will build and you're off to the races. |
| 23:20.54 | sney | but virtualbox isn't in the current debian version so that would mean you're on oldstable anyway |
| 23:20.55 | Bugz000 | the headers are installed but uhhhm |
| 23:21.48 | Bugz000 | sorry my brain is only half alive at this point |
| 23:21.48 | sney | typically with virtualbox the #1 recommendation is "use something else" such as virt-manager which does the same thing without any annoying oracle idiosyncracies. |
| 23:22.02 | sney | but really I'm just guessing since your questions are so vague |
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| 23:23.54 | Bugz000 | i'm trying the official repo from oracle first see how that goes, i did miss it (idfk how) |
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| 23:25.32 | Bugz000 | yeah nope https://i.imgur.com/oedxtxU.png |
| 23:26.23 | sney | what exactly is your goal with this server? |
| 23:26.29 | Bugz000 | oh wait part of the error has gone :D |
| 23:26.46 | quadrathoch2 | don't run it as root btw |
| 23:26.58 | Bugz000 | https://i.imgur.com/I0UKCKa.png |
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| 23:29.11 | Bugz000 | good lord i think it's worked... |
| 23:30.20 | Bugz000 | yaas it's worked beautifully <3 thanks quadrathoch2 <3 |
| 23:33.56 | quadrathoch2 | Bugz000, no problem ;) |
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