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| 00:12.37 | r3 | ...or even " openssl rand -hex 1 | xxd -c1 -l1 -b | cut -c18 " ... |
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| 02:08.37 | kristopolous | Hi, I found a package I claim is really easy to build and quite out of date ... what's the proper channel to make a meaningful contribution here? |
| 02:08.50 | kristopolous | should I just email the maintainer directly? |
| 02:09.36 | dvs | kristopolous, that would be a good start |
| 02:09.38 | kristopolous | or is there some kind of say, tracking page for a package where I can see if ther's a history as to why that is. |
| 02:09.48 | kristopolous | alright, I just don't want to be rude |
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| 02:10.10 | dvs | kristopolous, well, the worse thing he could say is what really to do. |
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| 02:27.19 | themill | kristopolous: which package out of interest? |
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| 02:30.02 | jeddi | I note Debian policy is that /usr/bin scripts should not have extensions (.sh, .py, .pl etc). I think this is perfectly sensible, and understand the likely reasons -- but I'm trying to win an argument elsewhere, so went looking for where the rationale for this was spelled out, but couldn't find anything. |
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| 03:12.20 | Jmabsd | What on earth, on my debian latest stable when i "su" from a user, my PATH is "PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" |
| 03:12.46 | Jmabsd | that is, /sbin is not in the PATH :-} |
| 03:12.58 | Jmabsd | i have not altered any system configuration. |
| 03:13.05 | Jmabsd | specifically it's when i'm in a "screen" session and create a new window, /sbin lacks. |
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| 03:14.01 | quadrathoch2 | jep same with mine |
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| 03:17.26 | Jmabsd | quadrathoch2: you too? |
| 03:17.27 | Jmabsd | weird |
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| 03:24.32 | jmcnaught | Jmabsd: use "su -" for a login shell to get root's environment including PATH. |
| 03:24.48 | jmcnaught | !buster su |
| 03:24.48 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 03:25.38 | Jmabsd | ahaaa |
| 03:25.39 | Jmabsd | wait |
| 03:25.51 | Jmabsd | jmcnaught: but, when i create a new terminal window, /sbin is gone already |
| 03:26.34 | jmcnaught | Jmabsd: how do you create the new windows? Why do you expect /sbin to be in your PATH? |
| 03:26.39 | Jmabsd | jmcnaught: what's the rationale for not inheriting PATH |
| 03:26.47 | Jmabsd | jmcnaught: in the screen or tmux terminal multiplexer |
| 03:27.04 | Jmabsd | jmcnaught: /sbin contains all kinds of tools like "ifconfig" |
| 03:27.10 | Jmabsd | fsck, etc. |
| 03:27.26 | Jmabsd | traceroute |
| 03:28.48 | jmcnaught | This is the behaviour of the su from util-linux which most other distros use, so Debian adopted it too. |
| 03:29.24 | jmcnaught | The programs in /sbin are usually not needed by regular users, the ones who need them should know how to type an absolute path or add the directory to their PATH. |
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| 03:49.34 | maxrazer | Does anyone know how to set QT applications to use my GTK theme? I have qt5ct installed, but no option to do that. |
| 03:49.52 | mi11k1 | nope |
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| 03:52.32 | maxrazer | I have Audacicity which uses Wxwidgets and that seems to match once I select the dark theme inside the application. |
| 03:53.24 | maxrazer | It does find my icon themes though. |
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| 03:53.56 | themill | jeddi: things get rewritten from shell to perl/python/etc and then the extension is meaningless. It's also just useless clutter in the name |
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| 03:54.41 | Abrax | huh? |
| 03:54.47 | Abrax | kicked from here for flood? |
| 03:54.49 | Abrax | i didnt flood |
| 03:54.50 | jeddi | themill yup - that's the two reasons I assumed - but was hoping to find somewhere it was formally verbalised. There's a few q&a on SO and similar sites, but nothing official. As I say, makes perfect sense to me. |
| 03:55.29 | Abrax | oh wait i remember heh |
| 03:55.37 | Abrax | in the morning when i posted my question |
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| 04:04.40 | themill | jeddi: yeah, I thought there was a footnote in policy with that rationale but I can't find it now |
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| 04:07.54 | Jmabsd | jmcnaught: wow that is very funny, that util-linux has this behavior. how do you add /sbin to PATH, what is the best practice? |
| 04:08.16 | nvz | Jmabsd: you dont |
| 04:08.26 | Jmabsd | nvz: why?? i want traceroute etc. to be in path |
| 04:08.30 | Jmabsd | also, grub-update is broken by default |
| 04:08.37 | nvz | you become root, which is the only user that can run sbin programs.. and then its in path |
| 04:08.40 | Jmabsd | when /sbin is not in PATH. i guess "su -" works around it |
| 04:08.48 | nvz | !buster su |
| 04:08.48 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 04:08.48 | Jmabsd | traceroute is a userland thing! not root only ..!? |
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| 04:09.00 | nvz | things have changed.. you used to be able to do dmesg as a user |
| 04:09.11 | nvz | now the permissions to access the kernel ring buffer are different |
| 04:09.14 | nvz | it only works as root |
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| 04:09.19 | Jmabsd | chpasswd also a userland thing? |
| 04:09.28 | nvz | chpasswd? |
| 04:09.34 | nvz | you mean passwd |
| 04:10.10 | nvz | ah.. it does it in batch |
| 04:10.19 | nvz | so yeah.. to change passwords in batch.. you'd have to be root |
| 04:10.26 | nvz | a user can only change THEIR password |
| 04:10.29 | Jmabsd | # /sbin/update-grub |
| 04:10.31 | nvz | and thats done with passwd |
| 04:10.35 | Jmabsd | ./sbin/update-grub: 3: exec: grub-mkconfig: not found |
| 04:10.54 | Jmabsd | with "su -" it works though |
| 04:11.01 | nvz | see the factoid above |
| 04:11.02 | Jmabsd | ahh. |
| 04:11.11 | nvz | if you wanna approximate the old behavior, it tells you how |
| 04:11.12 | Jmabsd | nvz: so the idea is /sbin only contains admin programs |
| 04:11.30 | nvz | yes /bin/ means binaries /sbin/ means superuser-binaries |
| 04:11.35 | Jmabsd | "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" causes "su" without the "-" argument, to add to PATH? |
| 04:11.36 | nvz | superuser is root |
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| 04:11.51 | nvz | Jmabsd: it should approximate the old behavior |
| 04:11.59 | Jmabsd | nvz,jmcnaught: why does not "su" by default nowadays add /sbin to path? :o |
| 04:12.03 | nvz | I just do sudo su on my machine most times to become root |
| 04:12.24 | nvz | Jmabsd: for the same reason we not have systemd, polkit, apparmor.. |
| 04:12.26 | nvz | we're evolving |
| 04:12.33 | nvz | to make shit the way it should've been to begin with |
| 04:13.03 | jmcnaught | "sudo -i" here |
| 04:13.21 | Jmabsd | sigh. |
| 04:13.22 | nvz | when you do su.. you're just asking the system to change the user.. not alter the environment |
| 04:13.23 | quadrathoch2 | Yeah sudo -i |
| 04:13.26 | Jmabsd | why is "su" insufficient? |
| 04:13.34 | nvz | altering the environment is something that happens on LOGIN |
| 04:13.39 | Jmabsd | nvz: ah. when is that ever relevant though? |
| 04:13.41 | nvz | so you have to tell su you want to LOGIN |
| 04:14.21 | Jmabsd | nvz,jmcnaught: interesting. i will be dropping out now. thank you for sharing your insights! |
| 04:14.32 | Jmabsd | i think i like it the old cozy way where "su" "just works" so i may go with ALWAYS_SET_PATH. |
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| 04:17.02 | nvz | yeah well you're free to do so and I can't see any real issue with it.. its just not the way it /should/ work |
| 04:17.07 | jeddi | Thanks for looking themill - I've won a moral victory in this email argument I'm having, wanted to cement it. ; ) |
| 04:17.13 | nvz | there is switch user and switch user and login for a reason |
| 04:17.20 | nvz | they're suppose to have different behavior |
| 04:17.28 | nvz | if you dont care to have that, its your choice |
| 04:17.53 | Jmabsd | nvz: ic |
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| 04:19.38 | nvz | if it helps I could elaborate by saying perhaps you have tim and bob, and tim wants to run a command as bob but with his own env |
| 04:20.19 | nvz | a user's env is part of their own personal settings.. they should have the option to run something as another user with their env or with the env of another user |
| 04:20.33 | nvz | this is the way it should've always worked |
| 04:21.10 | jmcnaught | they left |
| 04:23.02 | nvz | nobody likes a /quit-er |
| 04:23.15 | nvz | :P |
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| 04:25.05 | quadrathoch2 | Why are people always so lazy to learn something new :/ |
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| 04:25.35 | nvz | well its not always laziness, and laziness isnt always a bad thing |
| 04:25.52 | nvz | I know there is tmux and others.. but I still use GNU screen.. |
| 04:25.58 | quadrathoch2 | When is it not a bad thing? |
| 04:26.13 | nvz | I tried tmux.. all the commands are different.. it has more features but none I want.. |
| 04:26.19 | nvz | so learning it would just be a waste of time |
| 04:26.27 | nvz | I already know screen |
| 04:26.46 | nvz | laziness is often just finding easier ways to do things.. |
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| 04:27.46 | quadrathoch2 | hm, it really depends. As for example redhat has thrown out Screen out of rhel because of security issues (Iâm not sure if they were founded or not, as the reason to that was the version is too old) |
| 04:27.47 | nvz | its like thinking selfishness it bad.. these lazy people selfishly find ways around doing more work.. and you can benefit from their laziness and selfishness.. cause they did the work of figuring out how you can do less work :P |
| 04:29.16 | nvz | all I want is detachment, remote detach, simultaneous attach, and occasionally use the new window or clipboard |
| 04:29.34 | nvz | but for the most part its just a way for me to keep irssi running and attach it anywhere I go |
| 04:30.25 | nvz | or I also would use it for things like compiling or something I didnt want to get interrupted should I lose my terminal or need to go somewhere else |
| 04:31.13 | quadrathoch2 | nvz is there an easy way to have a session open when you boot and then you can attach to that in gnome-terminal when you open? I tried that, but the last time I used the systemd service from the arch wiki and it started the session on root (at least thatâs what I figured after awhile |
| 04:32.01 | nvz | yeah its doable, sure.. but its kinda a pita.. especially if you wanna have certain things running in the session already |
| 04:32.06 | nvz | I haven't fooled with it in a long time |
| 04:32.33 | nvz | iirc I found its better to not only name the session but each window |
| 04:32.59 | nvz | especially if you are running whatever script that starts it say on each ssh/mosh login |
| 04:33.33 | quadrathoch2 | Hm, at least I donât want to have things running in the session. I just want to have a consistent setup, where I literally hate everytime I start screen it says new session at the bottom |
| 04:33.35 | nvz | easier to do that and track whether or not its running if the session is named |
| 04:33.46 | nvz | heh |
| 04:33.56 | nvz | idk I rarely if ever start screen without arguments |
| 04:34.16 | nvz | I usually am most often issuing "screen irssi" or "screen -rd" |
| 04:35.46 | quadrathoch2 | hm, that sadly doesnât work with gnome-terminal :( (screen -rd) |
| 04:35.55 | nvz | its been ages since I done fancier setups like having it to anything necessary to start a screen with certain apps and attach it here and now on a remote login |
| 04:36.03 | nvz | o.O |
| 04:36.18 | nvz | screen -rd should work with anything |
| 04:36.33 | nvz | its the nice way of telling a screen session to remotely detach and attache here |
| 04:36.34 | quadrathoch2 | sorry I explained it wrong ^^ |
| 04:36.57 | quadrathoch2 | when I use it as a custom command when gnome terminal gets started |
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| 04:44.22 | nvz | yes well idk. but perhaps you're talking about screen -rd not working when no screen is actually started |
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| 04:45.11 | nvz | there are lots of options like -dR tells it to detach, or create the session if necessary |
| 04:45.29 | nvz | -dRR tells it the same but to choose the first one if there is more than one session already running |
| 04:45.43 | quadrathoch2 | nvz I tried it with this here running https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNU_Screen#Autostart_with_systemd |
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| 04:47.06 | nvz | if all you want is a screen session when you open gnome-terminal, and only plan to have one on the system.. you run screen -dR which tells it if one is running, reattach it, if its already attached, detach and reattach it, if its not running, then start it |
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| 04:48.31 | Admiral_Purr | Does 'apt-listbugs' automatically list the bugs when 'apt-update' is run? |
| 04:49.12 | nvz | the only reason to involve systemd and start screen at boot or as a service is if you're creating a custom named session with apps already running inside it |
| 04:49.36 | nvz | otherwise you can tell screen to do whatever is necessary including make a new screen session if need be.. to get you inside a screen session |
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| 04:49.50 | nvz | and that can be done anytime, doesnt have to happen at boot or login |
| 04:50.45 | quadrathoch2 | Hm, cool thanks will test it out in a bit |
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| 04:56.52 | nvz | iirc -RRDD or something is the most anal of all .. it'll do absolutely anything needed,, |
| 04:57.12 | nvz | each different option gives screen more flexibility in getting a session attached to the current terminal |
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| 04:57.31 | nvz | -rd is just politely saying, attach the running screen session, and detach it if need be |
| 04:57.56 | nvz | when you start throwing R's in there you're telling it to create a screen session if need be |
| 04:58.51 | nvz | the manpage isnt all that complicated really.. |
| 04:59.10 | nvz | its not like sudoers, mplayer/mencoder or such.. |
| 05:00.27 | jeddi | Can recommend byobu as a persistent shell multiplexer. |
| 05:00.35 | jeddi | !dpkg byobu |
| 05:00.35 | dpkg | byobu is a set of useful profiles and a profile-switcher for GNU <screen>, packaged for Squeeze. https://launchpad.net/byobu |
| 05:00.46 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 05:01.14 | nvz | that was that thing I couldnt remember the name of.. I thought it was another screen/tmux type thing.. didnt know it was merely a tool to wrap it |
| 05:01.27 | nvz | I need to remember to check that out |
| 05:01.35 | nvz | ,v byobu |
| 05:01.36 | judd | Package: byobu on amd64 -- jessie: 5.87-1; stretch: 5.112-1; buster: 5.112-1.1; bullseye: 5.133-1; sid: 5.133-1 |
| 05:01.43 | jeddi | Yeah - I was put onto it years ago - it's a wrapper, I think you're right, but it's colourful and pretty. : ) |
| 05:02.02 | nvz | as long as it still works the same.. i.e. is screen inside.. |
| 05:02.11 | nvz | then it wouldnt have me needing to learn new commands |
| 05:02.27 | jeddi | First time you do ctrl-a in there it asks which style you prefer |
| 05:02.41 | nvz | I only recently got hip to mosh.. and it confused the crap outta me at first.. but now I love it |
| 05:02.53 | nvz | and I still havent fully learned to use it.. |
| 05:02.57 | jeddi | (screen mode - gnu screen style - or emacs mode) |
| 05:03.35 | nvz | ssh is really a pita.. mosh solves all that |
| 05:05.10 | nvz | indefinite connectivity, handles network changes seamlessly, can keep you connected even across a suspend.. does local echoing of chars even if its not in contact with the server..etc |
| 05:05.27 | nvz | the main bit that confused me was how simple it was.. |
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| 06:18.05 | gimmel_ | Hi all, is anyone around who has been helping me with moving my Debian 10 LVM/LUKS install from a 2Tb HDD to an SSD? |
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| 08:32.48 | ksk | gimmel_: welcome back. Did you read what I wrote in the meantime? |
| 08:33.16 | ksk | Easiest would be to just install Debian on that SSD via installer - and move over your data via cp. |
| 08:34.24 | ksk | I am not quite sure on how to generate LVM/LUKS manually, might be: pvcreate, add that pv to a group (not a existing one, I suppose). Create a LV on that new Group. Do some LuksSetup magic on that LV. Mount the Luks-container, create a FS. Mount that FS, copy over stuff. Set bootloader accordingly. |
| 08:34.48 | ksk | where set bootloader is like |
| 08:34.49 | ksk | !grub-install |
| 08:34.50 | dpkg | See all that crap in grub-install Ignore it. zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instead. |
| 08:35.02 | ksk | !fixmbr |
| 08:35.02 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 08:35.03 | ksk | that one.. |
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| 08:37.41 | ksk | gimmel_: where do you have problems? consider the easy way mabe :) You could get your packages installed on a new system via dpkg --get/set -selection for example - and then copy over configs.. |
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| 11:53.47 | Ellipsis753 | Hi. Just had a remote "apt install" fail with a 404 as the mirror no longer has the deb9u1 version of the package, just the deb9u2 version. What does the u1/u2 mean here? |
| 11:54.02 | tomtastic | woo yay, nodejs built successfully on MIPS! |
| 11:54.11 | mehmedbasic | try apt update |
| 11:54.11 | tomtastic | https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=nodejs |
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| 11:54.28 | tomtastic | Not much stopping it moving to testing now hopefully |
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| 11:55.30 | Ellipsis753 | mehmedbasic: Me? I suspect apt update would fix it. But I'm curious why a version is gone from the mirror? Does the mirror only old the newest versions? |
| 11:58.31 | mehmedbasic | Ellipsis753: The packages can move around somewhat, if you are on unstable/testing you are on a rolling distro, meaning you get the newest stuff |
| 11:59.18 | ratrace | Ellipsis753: debian repos are a whole, you can't cherrypick versions really. once a package updates, its older versions disappear |
| 12:00.20 | Ellipsis753 | Ok. So they released a package update, so the old one is gone from the mirror but remained in my cache? That makes sense. |
| 12:00.39 | ratrace | it's in /var/cache/apt only if you're using apt-get |
| 12:00.42 | Ellipsis753 | Given this is part of a remote script, presumably I just always run "apt-get update" before doing an install? |
| 12:01.58 | ratrace | Ellipsis753: you should be updating somewhat regularly (eg. every few days) and check for upgrades. Or use apticron and/or subscribe to security annouce mailing list. At any rate, you'll need to periodically update the apt database to spot changes. |
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| 12:03.06 | Ellipsis753 | Ok. That makes sense. Thanks. Was more curious than anything else. But think I get it now. |
| 12:04.18 | ratrace | Ellipsis753: ideally install apticron, it updates daily and emails you if there's pending upgrades |
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| 13:22.45 | Sepultura | Halo I have a weird Problem. |
| 13:23.53 | Sepultura | after I restarted Debian it tries to login automatic on my User (even I did not set up automatic Login) but right after the login he breaks up and makes an automatic Login again |
| 13:24.29 | Sepultura | when I switch console with ALT+CTRL+F2 or F3 and tries to login it logins but goes right back to login screen |
| 13:26.03 | Sepultura | https://ibb.co/0Xpkjbj |
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| 13:38.36 | ksk | Sepultura: seems you setup your user in a way it cannot login. for example: choosing a nonexisting shell |
| 13:39.11 | ksk | !raspian |
| 13:39.11 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 13:44.36 | Akuw | hi, i need to configure my network connection so i can switch to one static and one dhcp easy, actually i am using nmtui so i have 2 configuration and switch |
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| 14:04.13 | Sepultura | what problem can following error be: nano test.txt - illegal instruction |
| 14:05.39 | annadane | Sepultura, i would ask the raspbian people |
| 14:05.47 | annadane | as outlined above |
| 14:05.54 | annadane | (by dpkg) |
| 14:06.57 | RoyK | annadane: did Sepultura say onything about raspbian? |
| 14:07.46 | Sepultura | annadane, the login error was for raspbian |
| 14:08.14 | RoyK | sangy: for or from? |
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| 14:08.51 | annadane | RoyK, nothing from this most recent question, but from the previous one i assumed the user was still asking about raspbian for this question |
| 14:09.10 | Sepultura | solved reinstalled nano XD |
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| 14:09.48 | RoyK | Sepultura: sometimes an "apt update && apt dist-upgrade && apt autoremove" can make life a bit better |
| 14:09.49 | Sepultura | annadane, a theoretical question: isn't Raspbian based on Debian? How much % Raspbian differs from Debian? |
| 14:09.59 | annadane | i don't know |
| 14:10.44 | RoyK | it's just debian, really, with a few things more, but may have packages from newer repos, so really, it's not debian stable |
| 14:11.08 | RoyK | #raspbian or #raspberrypi are good channels to visit |
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| 14:12.01 | Sepultura | is there a systemd channel? |
| 14:12.50 | RoyK | it's ok to ask here |
| 14:14.11 | Sepultura | RoyK, in a Systemd Script do I need to add Group=xxx if I use User=DebianUser in [Service] part? |
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| 14:15.01 | RoyK | Sepultura: you don't, but it may be a good idea if you don't want the service running as root, which is generally a bad idea |
| 14:16.10 | RoyK | some 25 years ago, I started working with linux and the web server was running as root |
| 14:16.14 | RoyK | which was nice |
| 14:16.24 | RoyK | but again, terribly unsecure |
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| 14:17.20 | RoyK | s/unsecure/insecure/ |
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| 14:54.01 | metbsd | does kernel 4.19 support 8th generation CPU? |
| 14:54.03 | metbsd | intel |
| 14:54.08 | metbsd | without bugs |
| 14:55.10 | amerigo | when using aufs, is there a way to get a branch on which a file resides? e.g. I mounted a filessytem C composed from branch A with an "a" file and branch B with a "b" file. Can I somehow get the information that a file "a" is from the branch A? |
| 14:56.43 | jelly | metbsd, coworker has debian 10 running on a workstation that has one of those. i3-8250 perhaps. |
| 14:57.16 | metbsd | ok checking on kernel timeline. 4.19 was released mid 2019 |
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| 14:57.43 | metbsd | i bought my laptop around end of 2019 |
| 14:58.44 | metbsd | i hopoe it supports it well |
| 14:59.23 | jelly | typically CPUs and GPUs that have been on the market for 6-12 months at the time of software freeze (so, october 2018?) will probably work |
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| 15:00.18 | jelly | an intel cpu will probably work, but its gpu part and other hw components of said laptop might have issues |
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| 15:07.15 | metbsd | maybe one more year it'll support my hardware perfectly |
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| 15:26.43 | misteradler | i was wondering is nvidia render offload available on testing? |
| 15:28.01 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 15:28.01 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 15:44.05 | Sepultura | where to move my executable so sudo myexecutable will be recognized as command? |
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| 15:47.45 | avu | Sepultura: anywhere in PATH should be fine |
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| 15:52.17 | jmcnaught | Sepultura: /usr/local/sbin is a good place. |
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| 15:53.49 | Sepultura | systemctl is annoying |
| 15:55.00 | Sepultura | bash /path/to/Script works |
| 15:55.09 | sangy | RoyK: sorry? |
| 15:55.10 | Sepultura | sudo bash /path/to/Script works |
| 15:55.24 | Sepultura | ExecStart=bash /path/to/script fails |
| 15:55.31 | Sepultura | o.O |
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| 15:56.19 | Sepultura | starting this script on root works too |
| 15:56.33 | Sepultura | everything except systemd will successfully start it |
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| 15:57.57 | jmcnaught | Sepultura: does the script have a shebang? Can you make it executable and have ExecStart= call it directly? |
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| 16:04.36 | meskarune | hello, I have a new digital ocean debian server. I uploaded terminfo files to /home/meskarune/.terminfo but when I ssh it still reports my term as xterm-256color. |
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| 16:04.51 | meskarune | does anyone know how I can get it to report the correct terminal info? |
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| 16:08.07 | oxek | Is it safe yet to use fallocate to create a swap file? Or do I still have to use dd? |
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| 16:16.46 | codehotter | I would like to update prometheus-node-exporter to 1.0.0 on 18.04. The current version there is 0.18. I understand that the best way is to first get prometheus-node-exporter to 1.0.0 in debian. How can I help do that? I could probably figure out how to update the package over the weekend, but then what I do to get it reviewed and updated in debian? Should I find out who the maintainer is and contact them? |
| 16:17.32 | codehotter | That is ubuntu 18.04 * |
| 16:17.39 | annadane | !ubuntu |
| 16:17.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 16:17.55 | annadane | ah, let me reread your question more carefully |
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| 16:18.19 | annadane | sorry, your question DOES belong here. force of habit |
| 16:18.59 | annadane | i'm not too well versed in debian packaging so someone else can probably answer that better than i can |
| 16:19.30 | joepublic | contacting the maintainer sounds like a reasonable and sane course of action. |
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| 16:22.36 | meskarune | Ok, plot twist. It turns out the term is correctly set with ssh but not with mosh |
| 16:23.10 | meskarune | er s/set/detected/ |
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| 16:26.41 | annadane | codehotter, although, it's unclear whether the best way to get a package updated on ubuntu is to get a package updated on debian first; but i don't really know ubuntu's politics/infrastructure |
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| 16:29.34 | meskarune | Yeah, I guess its a mosh issue https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/issues/178 |
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| 16:58.05 | RhineDevil | I tried adding apt config options in /etc/apt.conf, nothing changed. Why? |
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| 16:59.06 | annadane | hard to say without knowing what you did |
| 17:00.23 | sney | probably because the correct path is /etc/apt/apt.conf, if you just put apt.conf in /etc then apt doesn't even know it's there |
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| 17:07.08 | RhineDevil | sney, ah understood. my life was a lie |
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| 17:10.21 | kreyren | How do i tell aptitude to install a package from a different origin ? |
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| 17:10.56 | kreyren | i.e frankenbian with debian and devuan providing same version of xfce4-session where the devuan version is expected |
| 17:11.04 | kreyren | !frankendebian kreyren |
| 17:11.25 | kreyren | ~~so that you can't use that command~~ |
| 17:12.10 | sney | so you're just outing yourself as using an unsupported system and expecting help anyway? in that case here's the most friendly answer you're going to get: man aptitude |
| 17:12.41 | kreyren | sney, it is supported because it's an OS that i've developed which runtime also has debian stable! |
| 17:12.52 | kreyren | in a separate sandbox ^-^ |
| 17:13.16 | kreyren | which is my way how to get support here with franken because i don't need stablebian sandboxed~ |
| 17:14.00 | jmcnaught | separate sandbox, but you need to resolve a conflict between Debian and Devuan packages? |
| 17:14.20 | kreyren | jmcnaught, yes since franken is in it's separate sandbox~ |
| 17:14.31 | kreyren | there is also custom fork of Exherbo linux~ |
| 17:14.38 | kreyren | now help meh~ ^-^ |
| 17:14.58 | kreyren | bcs every time i lock screen it just freezes and requires me to reset lightdm through SSH :c |
| 17:15.28 | jmcnaught | kreyren: here is my suggestion: 1. back up all your data 2. Wipe the drives 3. Install Debian 10 4. Learn to use libvirt, systemd-nspawn and/or LXC. |
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| 17:15.57 | kreyren | jmcnaught, the libvirt it used for the sandbox on demand to use darwin, freebsd, redox and windows CLI~ |
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| 17:16.15 | nifker | why is there no openjdk-8 on buster? |
| 17:16.16 | jmcnaught | Sounds like a house of cards⦠|
| 17:16.24 | kreyren | doing the 1 2 3 steps now ETA 4 mins~ |
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| 17:17.35 | kreyren | jmcnaught, done :p didn't help though~ |
| 17:17.49 | kreyren | and it cost me 0.3CZK in electricity! |
| 17:18.00 | jmcnaught | kreyren: you're just too clever for us, better figure it out yourself. |
| 17:18.06 | kreyren | jmcnaught, mean~ |
| 17:18.12 | kreyren | -t beowulf seems to work~ |
| 17:22.21 | kreyren | didn't work so i've pinned it instead~ |
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| 17:27.20 | nifker | Oh I meant on bullseye |
| 17:28.51 | kreyren | still doesn't understand why none wants to provide support for his frankendebian assuming that he has OS to handle the workflow and experience to manage it~ |
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| 17:31.22 | jmcnaught | "Yes Hello Maytag? I would like you to tell me how to repair my washing machine that I have mechancically merged with a Whirlpool and also a Chevrolet. <click> Hello?" |
| 17:31.52 | kreyren | jmcnaught, not the case :p it's the same thing just better~ |
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| 17:36.28 | ayekat | yeah, it's better! the vibration of my washing machine improves the experience in my whirlpool - and the additional weight provides safety in case I drive into a hurricane with my chevrolet! |
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| 17:39.47 | kreyren | ayekat, Wrong! I am the master of time and space so case i drive into a hurricane with my chevrolet i can rewind time and do that again until it works because PRAY THE TO POWER OF SANDBOXING! |
| 17:39.54 | kreyren | worst case scenario bare minimum LFS with busybox sh ~ |
| 17:40.33 | jmcnaught | kreyren: can we see the sandboxing with "apt policy" in a paste? |
| 17:42.05 | kreyren | jmcnaught, sure https://hastebin.com/tixemohexu.sql |
| 17:42.05 | kreyren | :p |
| 17:42.10 | kreyren | or raw https://hastebin.com/raw/tixemohexu |
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| 17:44.41 | kreyren | or franken for apt policy http://ix.io/2p0e |
| 17:44.53 | kreyren | and stable http://ix.io/2p0f |
| 17:45.01 | kreyren | peer review for the pinning would be nice :p |
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| 18:10.43 | annadane | !yinzersmite kreyren |
| 18:10.43 | dpkg | pahds kreyren fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer. |
| 18:11.07 | kreyren | annadane, ;c |
| 18:11.19 | annadane | just run STABLE and the occasional backport, if you're using debian... |
| 18:11.32 | annadane | or pure testing if you really need new stuff |
| 18:11.51 | annadane | (or fine, pure testing + the occasional package from sid) |
| 18:12.24 | annadane | or pure sid, but stop mixing releases |
| 18:12.25 | kreyren | annadane, Stable and backports are not an option for me since they are terrible to use~ |
| 18:12.45 | kreyren | annadane, testing and sid cherrypicking is already in place where not all packages can be taking from debian :p |
| 18:14.25 | greycat | What, today's FrankenDebian day? Damn it, I wasn't told. |
| 18:14.47 | kreyren | greycat, every day is a frankendebian day! ^-^ |
| 18:16.52 | RhineDevil | annadane, afaik mixing distros is discouraged only if you don't know what you're doing (99% cases) |
| 18:17.09 | annadane | you still shouldn't ask for help from here if you do that though |
| 18:17.14 | kreyren | but i know what i am doing in most cases :c |
| 18:17.16 | greycat | It is discouraged, PERIOD. Stronger: it is WRONG, and you don't do it. |
| 18:17.22 | kreyren | and if not i can just undo the changes in the whole sandbox :p |
| 18:17.25 | jmcnaught | The people who know what they're doing don't mix distros. |
| 18:17.30 | kreyren | greycat, prove it being wrong! :p |
| 18:17.40 | greycat | Do not push me on this issue today. I already killfiled a moron from debian-user on this exact issue. |
| 18:17.57 | annadane | and yeah the "people who know what they're doing" want to be able to use their OS without problems and be productive which you will not get with mixed releases |
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| 18:18.27 | RhineDevil | annadane, depends, if the things you changed have just a small impact no |
| 18:18.38 | kreyren | greycat, mean :c |
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| 18:18.50 | annadane | btw you're not limited to just backports, there's compiling, flatpaks, appimages, various package managers that install stuff to their own directory, and so on... |
| 18:18.53 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:18.56 | RhineDevil | sometimes people add a sid repo after all repos and set policies for grabbing packages from here |
| 18:18.56 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 18:18.58 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 18:19.09 | kreyren | annadane, i will get productive even if the debian is broken since i always have a stable sandbox to fail safely on :p |
| 18:19.14 | greycat | ATTENTION NEWBIES: DO NOT LISTEN TO RhineDevil. |
| 18:19.17 | annadane | yes RhineDevil but that's the exception to the rule |
| 18:19.19 | kreyren | lol |
| 18:19.27 | greycat | MIXING UNSTABLE WITH OTHER RELEASES WILL *BREAK* YOUR SYSTEM. |
| 18:19.33 | RhineDevil | greycat, yeah newbies shouldn't do that at all |
| 18:19.41 | kreyren | greycat, unless you cherrypick the versions and test them to make sure that they are working :p |
| 18:19.42 | annadane | exception rather than the rule* i should say |
| 18:20.06 | annadane | fine, it works for you (until it doesn't which is why you're talking about it in the support channel), don't ask about help for it from this channel |
| 18:20.40 | kreyren | annadane, where else~ not providing a support limits the foss evolution :p |
| 18:20.41 | greycat | WHEN, not if, your frankendebian (mix of releases) breaks, you will need to reinstall from scratch. There is no recovery path. |
| 18:20.47 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 18:20.59 | kreyren | graytron, wrong i can just undo the changes in the sandbox and try again |
| 18:21.15 | kreyren | same for other kernels and distros :p |
| 18:21.40 | kreyren | and even if it breaks i can still fall on choosed fail-safe~ |
| 18:21.57 | annadane | i don't like how that wiki page just casually recommends Snaps, i should probably add a warning |
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| 18:22.04 | kreyren | which is in worst case scenario LFS with busybox sh and bare minimum bootloader and init~ |
| 18:22.14 | RhineDevil | although in my opinion sometimes the nuclear separation between repos is a mistake. Example, youtube-dl is just a python package and doesn't break anything even if it would stay updated with rolling releases |
| 18:22.42 | greycat | Use upstream's youtube-dl instead of adding a package from unstable. |
| 18:23.27 | kreyren | or sandbox paludis/portage and compile it from source using your patches like kreyren :p |
| 18:23.34 | kreyren | so that you can then use it from the same terminal :3 |
| 18:24.08 | RhineDevil | greycat, downloading upstream youtube-dl removes the benefits of having the pyc files ready to go, plus you cannot call yt-dl library functions directly |
| 18:25.14 | RhineDevil | Not trying to force my way on anyone, I'm able to package my things anyway, just showing some little backdraws in the current policies :) |
| 18:26.26 | kreyren | also would be nice if frankendebian was supported for some cases since i would like to add apt compatibility to my package manager for which frankendebian is a great tool for testing ^-^ |
| 18:27.06 | RhineDevil | kreyren, what did you do exactly? why is it a frankendebian? |
| 18:27.42 | greycat | Maybe he listened to that horrible Reco troll. |
| 18:27.53 | greycat | Maybe he *is* Reco, although /whois didn't seem to indicate it. |
| 18:28.00 | jmcnaught | "I think it's not enough that Debian packages are tested extensively to work with each other, they should also be tested to work with every possible combination of distros and releases on the planet." |
| 18:28.10 | kreyren | RhineDevil, it's a frankenbian so that i have access to all packages made for apt while making changes to the downstream or handling of the downstream if needed~ |
| 18:28.41 | RhineDevil | kreyren, sounds dummy af, make your own repo if you wanna experiment things |
| 18:28.46 | kreyren | jmcnaught, not needed :p but it's great to not have 4 sandboxes for each apt-based system i.e using openrc on debian which has to be provided from devuan |
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| 18:29.03 | kreyren | RhineDevil, i have that :p |
| 18:29.03 | RhineDevil | just use schroot |
| 18:29.15 | kreyren | RhineDevil, schroot is inferior to the current runtime |
| 18:29.23 | RhineDevil | kreyren, and build packages by yourself of course |
| 18:30.00 | RhineDevil | having different library versions doesn't seem a really good idea |
| 18:30.50 | kreyren | RhineDevil, it is a good idea if you can use the libraries on demand. O.o |
| 18:31.03 | kreyren | well at least for cross platform development and quality assurance |
| 18:31.10 | kreyren | otherwise i am just using the distro dependencies |
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| 18:31.39 | inode64 | Anyone here use smokeping? General question, how do I make it so smokeping only emails _once_ if a server is off-line and not every 5 minutes? |
| 18:32.48 | RhineDevil | didn't properly understand why you need that, but I'm pretty sure that compiling from source is better than throwing newer libraries needed by other programs other than the ones you backport |
| 18:33.33 | kreyren | RhineDevil, i am not backporting tbh O.o i am just using the newer version that either debian or devuan considers for testing release and do a sanity checks on them |
| 18:34.00 | RhineDevil | kreyren, that's exactly backporting |
| 18:34.18 | kreyren | RhineDevil, I guess but i am not grabbing them from backports O.o |
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| 18:34.28 | RhineDevil | using testing packages on stable distros |
| 18:34.43 | RhineDevil | kreyren, you should, or either you should compile them with proper fixes |
| 18:34.57 | greycat | A backport is software from a future release COMPILED on your release, so that it's safe to install. |
| 18:35.12 | RhineDevil | grabbing compiled packages from testing repo is generally NOT safe |
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| 18:35.16 | annadane | perhaps take this conversation elsewhere? inode has a question ^ |
| 18:35.42 | greycat | It's an on-topic conversation about Debian. |
| 18:35.46 | annadane | fair |
| 18:36.35 | RhineDevil | I'd really wish someone backported elisa tho |
| 18:36.58 | graytron | kreyren: that's nice |
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| 18:37.20 | graytron | kreyren: sorry for being mistaken |
| 18:38.50 | kreyren | RhineDevil, they are compiled if needed O.o |
| 18:39.16 | kreyren | just the "frankendebian not supported" and "don't break debian" is quite annoying assuming that i can safely break it on my system for development~ |
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| 18:40.24 | jmcnaught | kreyren: "not supported" means it was not designed to be used that way, and because the arbitrary mix of software you're using creates too many unknowns for anyone to be able to reasonably help. |
| 18:41.05 | kreyren | jmcnaught, any kind of help is appreciated ^-^ i usually just need a kick in the right direction to fix the issue myself |
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| 18:41.40 | RhineDevil | kreyren, what do you want to do? what's the issue? |
| 18:42.19 | kreyren | RhineDevil, nothing atm O.o solved the previous issue myself by pinning the release expected |
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| 18:42.42 | boktan | how to uninstall scripts which is intalled with ./install.sh? |
| 18:42.48 | greycat | By hand. |
| 18:42.57 | kreyren | boktan, read the script and see what it does and hope it has an uninstall method :p |
| 18:42.59 | greycat | Figure out all the files it installed, and remove them. |
| 18:42.59 | RhineDevil | kek |
| 18:43.12 | boktan | it doesn |
| 18:43.20 | boktan | it doesn't have uninstall option |
| 18:43.25 | kreyren | boktan, also piping the script to shellcheck should be a number one priority.. some of the scripts are just pure insanity to be invoked on a system |
| 18:43.30 | boktan | before i was able to uninstall it with xarg but i forget the command |
| 18:43.35 | RhineDevil | that's what happens if you don't compile everything |
| 18:43.38 | kreyren | boktan, provide the script then? :p |
| 18:43.39 | RhineDevil | *package |
| 18:43.46 | greycat | It's *conceivable* that your particular package offers some sort of "uninstall" option. You can search your package's documentation for it. Don't hold your breath. |
| 18:43.54 | boktan | https://github.com/anouarbensaad/vulnx |
| 18:44.13 | greycat | *We* are not going to search the documentation for you. |
| 18:44.21 | kreyren | ehw someone should tell them about makefiles |
| 18:44.28 | kreyren | oh wow |
| 18:44.31 | kreyren | that's terrible~ |
| 18:44.34 | greycat | Either spend time researching an uninstall option that may not exist, or spend time tracking down the files it installed, and removing them. |
| 18:45.34 | kreyren | boktan, seems to just copy bunch of sh@% and then runs python script |
| 18:46.15 | kreyren | people who write these kinds of scripts should get shot~ |
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| 18:47.10 | RhineDevil | Just taken a look at the code, I'm horrified |
| 18:47.28 | RhineDevil | >a script that calls sudo |
| 18:47.30 | RhineDevil | goddamn |
| 18:47.43 | kreyren | is abusing the opportunity to show his script https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Kreyren/Zernit/depman/src/depman/bin/depman.sh so that greycat can flip about it~ |
| 18:47.46 | greycat | It's on github (shithub). That's all you needed to know. |
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| 18:50.13 | RhineDevil | I'm having a sudden impulse to write what's needed for packaging, give it to them and then tell them to f*** off |
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| 18:51.35 | annadane | for what it's worth i've stopped installing wine from winehq because it mucks up the system with other dependencies as decided by a 3rd party repo (nominally, it's fine); if i want a newer wine now (which remains unclear) i'll use a schroot |
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| 18:54.55 | kreyren | created https://github.com/anouarbensaad/vulnx/pull/89 |
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| 19:37.03 | boktan | how to make output.txt file on installing a package using ./install.sh ? |
| 19:37.24 | boktan | to see and remove everything installed? |
| 19:37.49 | greycat | You can log what the script *says* but you can't log what it *does* invisibly. |
| 19:38.10 | greycat | If you simply want a log of its output: ./install.sh >logfile 2>&1 |
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| 19:41.03 | Akuw | is there a config file for ftp and vsftp? |
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| 20:07.31 | kreyren | boktan: set -x; oath/to/script |& tee -a "output.txt" |
| 20:08.06 | kreyren | greycat, you can log what it does using my functions :p |
| 20:09.54 | nevivurn | kreyren: you'd need to set that inside the script file or source the script for that to work, I think. |
| 20:10.09 | kreyren | nevivurn, nope |
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| 20:13.49 | nevivurn | https://termbin.com/x3o5s |
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| 20:15.15 | uplime | couldn't you just `shell -x ./a.sh` ? |
| 20:15.32 | greycat | if you know which shell to use |
| 20:15.43 | uplime | true |
| 20:15.45 | greycat | (which you learn by reading the first line of the script, which is called the shebang) |
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| 20:16.38 | uplime | yeah, just unless someone named an ELF .sh, should be able to just head -1 install.sh |
| 20:16.58 | onla | installed a debian buster on a vps. the locale is POSIX. I have tried setting it to UTF-8 (english or finnish) following two different methods adviced when I searched the internet but it just gets killed http://dpaste.com/3BDYCRE |
| 20:17.09 | miskatonic | why is it called shebang? what does the male counterpart look like? |
| 20:17.13 | greycat | !shebang |
| 20:17.13 | dpkg | shebang is probably the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 20:17.55 | greycat | onla: dpkg-reconfigure locales, and then arrange for LANG to be whatever you would like it to be (usually you simply allow ssh/sshd to communicate it) |
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| 20:18.24 | r3 | I always thought it was from [ https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/shebang ] ... like "The whole shebang" ... |
| 20:18.57 | greycat | It's almost certainly from "hash bang". |
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| 20:19.38 | onla | greycat: can you elaborate on "arrange for LANG?" On dpaste link I tried setting the locale with dpkg-reconfigure but it's not working |
| 20:19.42 | r3 | yeah, I can see that :) "hashbang" --> "shbang" --> "shebang" ... makes sense! :) |
| 20:20.35 | greycat | onla: when you do dpkg-reconfigure locales, it'll ask you what you want the default to be. If you set the default to NONE (or nothing or whatever the wording is), and if ssh/sshd are configured normally, you'll pass LANG from the ssh client to the server. |
| 20:20.51 | greycat | onla: but if you allow dpkg-reconfigure locales to set a default, that will *override* whatever ssh sends |
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| 20:21.30 | BalooRJ | Having an issue with Bumblebee in Debian Testing using the NVidia Legacy 390xx driver. Wanted to see if anyone had experience getting this to work in Bullseye |
| 20:21.55 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 20:21.55 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 20:22.01 | BalooRJ | Thank you |
| 20:22.39 | onla | greycat: oh ok. I tried choosing the first option "none" but same thing happens, it tries to generate fi_FI.UTF-8...Killed |
| 20:22.56 | greycat | that sounds like you're running out of memory |
| 20:23.21 | greycat | can you stop some daemons, then do the configuring, then restart the daemon(s)? |
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| 20:26.21 | onla | I have only installed nginx, I stopped it but still the same. The other thing I have is tmux and this weechat running there. Should I kill this tmux hmm |
| 20:26.32 | onla | I try |
| 20:26.44 | onla | 128MB ram on the vps |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | that's *tiny* ... cripes |
| 20:27.24 | greycat | I thought mine was small. Damn, man. |
| 20:27.49 | greycat | mine's 384 MB and I still run out of memory all the time (after an ugprade to jessie, which made everything worse) |
| 20:28.25 | miskatonic | errm jessie was five years ago |
| 20:28.47 | sney | even the original rpi has 256M |
| 20:29.10 | greycat | Well, I *can't* go to buster because the kernel is too old. I *could* go as high as stretch. But jessie isn't at complete end of life yet, so why take that chance. |
| 20:29.32 | greycat | wheezy->jessie (with forced sysvinit keep, because kernel) was already a bad decision, resource-wise |
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| 20:29.55 | sney | still got jessie-lts for another 18 days! |
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| 20:31.34 | acidtripper | hi, did somebody have this erorr wiht cisco-anyconnect vpn |
| 20:31.34 | acidtripper | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.15 | miskatonic | I kept Sarge for seven year until getting a new computer and going to wheezy |
| 20:32.31 | greycat | Wheezy is a damned solid release. |
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| 20:32.53 | onla | greycat: naah, still same problems |
| 20:33.22 | greycat | I don't really know how to get around your severe memory shortage. I don't know if you can, like, generate the locales on a different computer and transfer them over or something. Never had to find out. |
| 20:33.42 | greycat | (I'd imagine you *can*, just not sure how.) |
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| 20:35.27 | sney | make a swapfile? on-disk memory would be slow but it'd be there |
| 20:36.06 | onla | I have a C.UTF-8 I wonder if that's good enough? It's on the irc if I type ?? I get question marks |
| 20:36.09 | greycat | if it's like my vps, swap is not an option |
| 20:36.22 | miskatonic | what advantage does a swap file have over a swap partition? |
| 20:36.37 | sney | you don't need to partition the disk to have one |
| 20:36.49 | sney | otherwise it has mostly disadvantages. but the kernel still supports it, usually |
| 20:37.00 | onla | I have never had this problem on other vps's. in fact I just moved to another ovz7 cointainer in same provider, earlier didn't have this problem. How can you be sure it's a memory problem? |
| 20:37.40 | onla | would it be hard to try that swap thing? |
| 20:38.10 | jelly | if it is a container-based vps you will not be able to add any swap |
| 20:38.11 | greycat | You said ovz. I'm guessing that means OpenVZ. You can't have swap on OpenVZ. |
| 20:38.35 | onla | ok |
| 20:38.59 | jelly | in any case a modern dpkg and apt will really want more than 128MB just for themselves |
| 20:39.24 | jelly | so if you want to run Debian, give it at least 256MB RAM. |
| 20:39.47 | onla | oh yeah the previous vps was not debian buster, but earlier debian |
| 20:40.01 | jelly | I believe the release notes say something about minimal hw requirements. |
| 20:40.06 | greycat | I think mine was imaged as Debian 6 originally. |
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| 20:40.30 | jelly | also: i386 needs a bit less RAM than amd64 arch. |
| 20:40.31 | onla | but this is the only problem. What is a C.UTF-8 I wonder |
| 20:40.31 | greycat | the release notes probably don't take into account "... and NO SWAP" |
| 20:41.26 | jelly | onla, if you really want the locales, purge the locales package with dpkg and install locales-all instead |
| 20:41.57 | jelly | takes 200MB or so more disk space, but you get ALL the locales precompiled |
| 20:42.39 | jelly | ,i locales-all |
| 20:42.40 | judd | Package locales-all (localization, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU C Library: Precompiled locale data. Version: 2.28-10; Size: 10462.7k; Installed: 221263k; Homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/libc.html |
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| 20:50.03 | onla | needs reading, gotta go to sleep soon. I tried to get the C.UTF-8 but I can't get it set |
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| 20:50.57 | jelly | locales-all has that one and also all the other locales. It's in the name. |
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| 20:52.14 | onla | I mean locales -a shows C.UTF-8 so I managed to not get it "killed" with locale-gen but I forgot how I can get it show up in locale |
| 20:53.25 | onla | or maybe it did oh well -> |
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| 20:55.31 | rad4day | Not having en_US.utf-8 in your locales causes problems. At least it did for me everytime I forgot it... |
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| 20:59.32 | onla | ok I bought little bit of extra time. So I go there and find a locales-all file and download that and install it directly |
| 21:00.05 | onla | it's a page about... libc |
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| 21:00.27 | greycat | Oh, you said you're running buster on OpenVZ ... what is your kernel version? |
| 21:00.57 | onla | 3.10.0-1062.4.2.vz7.116.7 |
| 21:01.10 | greycat | Ah. Well, that's new enough to run buster, according to the docs. (Mine's not.) |
| 21:01.22 | greycat | So it's not a flat-out incompatible kernel. |
| 21:03.34 | onla | so if I git clone that glibc from gnu.org, there will be package locales-all among the packages, and then I can work on that with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:04.29 | greycat | ,v locales-all |
| 21:04.31 | judd | Package: locales-all on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-8; sid: 2.30-8; experimental: 2.31-0experimental2 |
| 21:04.35 | greycat | It is a Debian package name. |
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| 21:05.06 | onla | ah, so I apt install it :) |
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| 21:12.42 | onla | having purged the locales and installed locales-all I am seeing the locales I want with locales -a. I tried to edit (empty file now) /etc/default/locale to have my desired locale in the file but then when running sudo locale-gen ..well that binary is no longer |
| 21:13.08 | greycat | forcing a locale in /etc/default/locale is just evil |
| 21:13.17 | greycat | I have no idea why Debian thought that would be a good idea |
| 21:13.46 | greycat | if you always ssh in, you almost certainly want to respect the LANG sent by the client, not unilaterally clobber it |
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| 21:14.23 | onla | how would I set things? now all variables are POSIX still |
| 21:14.45 | onla | except LANG, LANGUAGE and LC_ALL which are empty |
| 21:15.31 | greycat | Comment out everything in /etc/default/locale, log out and log back in, and check again. |
| 21:15.49 | greycat | also https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 21:17.23 | onla | still POSIX |
| 21:17.50 | onla | dpkg-query: package 'locales' is not installed and no information is available |
| 21:17.50 | greycat | Check ssh / sshd configs. Check the client's variables. |
| 21:18.12 | greycat | Check whatever shell dot files are used by your shell. |
| 21:18.44 | greycat | check /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale and... uh... I don't know what else. maybe something PAM points to, but that's usually just pam_env. |
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| 21:32.08 | onla | hmm okay. I added a line to my .profile after having installed locales-all and this seems to work at least, thanks for your patience greycat and jelly! :) |
| 21:32.41 | onla | as mentioned as one solution on that wiki page |
| 21:33.08 | greycat | you're just setting a default LANG when it comes through blank? well, that's fine... I'd still want to know why your ssh isn't sending the variables, but that's your call |
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| 22:03.00 | HelloShitty | Hello peeps. I have a debug file that is increasing in size very rapidly. IS there a way (I know there is, I just don't remember) of splitting this file deppending on it's size and when there are, let's say, 5 of these files, it deletes the oler ones? |
| 22:03.24 | sney | the principle you're looking for is called log rotation |
| 22:03.44 | HelloShitty | I mean, let's say I want files no greater in size than 100Mb, and when I have 5 of these files, I start deleting the older ones |
| 22:03.45 | sney | but if you have a log that's filling up so rapidly that it's a problem, you should probably address the underlying cause too |
| 22:03.49 | HelloShitty | ahh ok, that was it I guess |
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| 22:04.32 | HelloShitty | sney: I set it to log every action of a program which is very verbose... So it logs everything. Not only info, warning or errors |
| 22:04.51 | HelloShitty | so, that's why it gets quite big in a matter of a few days... |
| 22:05.07 | HelloShitty | but it's log rotate what I was looking for |
| 22:05.08 | HelloShitty | thatnks |
| 22:05.12 | sney | np |
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| 22:18.55 | HelloShitty | sney: tell me something. I have already created the log rotate file I want in /etc/logrotate.d/. Or better, I had this file already created and it was working in the past. But I don't know why, it's not working anymore. Maybe due to some upgrade I did to my OS or reboot, I have no idea. So, do I have to start/restart any service to make it work again? |
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| 22:20.05 | sney | I'm not super familiar with logrotate for daemons that don't already do it out of the box. you'd have better results reading the manual |
| 22:21.28 | HelloShitty | I am, but so far I haven't read anything about starting/restarting the service or even if it's needed to be restarted |
| 22:21.48 | HelloShitty | I tried to check with `ps aux | grep logrotate`but got nothing |
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| 22:24.18 | nevivurn | HelloShitty: logrotate is scheduled by something else (cron, systemd timers, etc.) and usually doesn't show up in process lists. |
| 22:26.00 | HelloShitty | ok, nevivurn ... But is it ok to add logrotate to cron even if the cron frequency is different from the one set by logrotate config files? |
| 22:26.48 | HelloShitty | For instance, how it behaves if logrotate config files says to perform some action hourly and I set logrotate in cron to run daily (once a day)? |
| 22:28.03 | nevivurn | The highest resolution logrotate can work at is at whatever you schedule it to be. At every execution, it will determine whether to rotate your files by looking at your configuration and the state file (that tells it when it last rotated). |
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| 22:28.48 | nevivurn | If you want it to rotate more often, configure your system to run logrotate more often. If configured correctly, it should not affect other configuration that rotates less frequently. |
| 22:30.08 | HelloShitty | ok, I'll read the rest of the manual to see if I understand it |
| 22:30.35 | HelloShitty | Your eplanation seems quite clear but I'm not english and I have some doubts. |
| 22:30.58 | HelloShitty | For instance, I'm not sure if state files are the same as the logrotate config files in /etc/logrotate./ |
| 22:32.05 | HelloShitty | Because, so far I have only messed with /etc/logrotate.d/ files. Now I'm confused as is the files in this logrotate.d folder are config files or state files |
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| 22:33.33 | nevivurn | The state files are stored in /var/lib/logrotate. The logrotate logic (every time it's executed) is something like: 1. Read the configuration (/etc/logrotate...); 2. For every log configured, check if the state file says it's been longer than the value in the configuration. 3. If yes, rotate and update the state file. |
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| 22:34.37 | nevivurn | So if your logrotate runs daily, but configuration says hourly, it will rotate daily. If run hourly, and configuration also says hourly, it will rotate hourly. |
| 22:35.35 | HelloShitty | So, the first scenario is not good, if I want to rotate the files hourly, right? |
| 22:35.49 | nevivurn | Yup. |
| 22:36.01 | HelloShitty | Meaning that I need to set the cron job to as fast as the fastest rotation needed in the config files |
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| 22:36.18 | nevivurn | Yup, exactly correct. |
| 22:36.48 | HelloShitty | However, I think I can make a workaround, and use file sizes and the condition to rotate, I guess |
| 22:37.28 | HelloShitty | So, if a file reaches that size, whenever cron job starts, it will (or won't) rotate the file, depending on its size |
| 22:37.33 | HelloShitty | I guess |
| 22:37.42 | nevivurn | Yup yup, you got it. |
| 22:37.57 | HelloShitty | thanks once more |
| 22:38.16 | nevivurn | I just looked at it, and debian (by default) schedules logrotate with systemd timers, so take that into account. |
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| 22:42.38 | HelloShitty | yeah, I just saw cron.daily an etc |
| 22:43.04 | HelloShitty | I'm not sure if I set a cron job for logrotate using crontab -e, if I'm not going to mess things up |
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| 23:10.09 | mamonetti | hi |
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| 23:12.20 | mamonetti | anybody knows whether there's any configuration that makes an app not work properly when it has more than one connection open with dbus in different threads? |
| 23:13.17 | mamonetti | i was thinking about something related to some security option, or something like that, cause i've tried an app i've developed which works fine in other distros and that's the only reason i can think of |
| 23:15.55 | mamonetti | one of the connections gets randomly frozen if the other is up, although they're completely independent (in theory) |
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