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| 01:20.42 | gimmel | Hi all, I'm a little confused with auto mounting my LUKS partitions. I have three HDDs. Main / system HDD is fine. My additional two have two separate crypttab entries, with two separate mapper IDs (cryptdriveA and cryptdriveB). When I boot, I'm asked for the LUKS password for one and not the other, yet both drives are successfully mounted. I don't understand why I'm not being asked twice. |
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| 01:27.04 | L1Cafe | The pssword doesnât actually unlock the device but the headers where the crypto keys are stored. Does that make sense gimmel? |
| 01:28.29 | gimmel | L1Cafe: I don't have any keys setup (yet). |
| 01:28.35 | L1Cafe | This means that your devices arenât actually encrypted with your password, but a small keyfile which actually is encrypted with your password. You can verify this by changing the LUKS password. Itâs absurdly quick even in slow drives. |
| 01:29.09 | gimmel | L1Cafe: But how are they being linked when they're two separate drives and two separate LUKS partitions? |
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| 01:31.23 | L1Cafe | gimmel: your keyfile lives somewhere among those devices. I donât actually know which one specifically, but I think itâs the system drive (/). This keyfile contains the parameters to unlock the rest of the system drive as well as other drives. You decrypt this keyfile with your LUKS password. |
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| 01:36.23 | L1Cafe | gimmel: try this. Perhaps they explain better than me https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Device_encryption#Backup_and_restore |
| 01:36.26 | gimmel | L1Cafe: The dots aren't connecting for me. When / where / how was this key file created? I mean if I plug one of those drives into another computer, said keyfile won't be there. It'll just depend on me handing cryptsetup open the right password. |
| 01:38.11 | gimmel | See, to my understanding, creating a keyfile is a separate step. I haven't done that yet. My understanding is that the header of each partition has the necessary info to ask for and utilise the passphrase as the key. |
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| 01:38.46 | gimmel | (Forgive me if I'm being daft and missing something) |
| 01:39.00 | L1Cafe | Sorry, when I said key file, I didnât mean the equivalent of a password, I meant where the encryption info lives inside the header |
| 01:39.35 | L1Cafe | And yes, each partition has its own header which is what your password actually unlocks, not the data itself but the encryption header |
| 01:40.02 | L1Cafe | Which doesnât change even if you change the password, it just becomes encrypted differently |
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| 01:44.16 | MrFreeze | good evening, im trying to do sudo adduser -s /sbin/nologin --home /opt/rtorrent rtorrent and everytime it says -s is not an option... im on debian 9 |
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| 01:45.03 | gimmel | Ok, trying to spell out what you're saying. I thought 'cryptsetup open' got called against a partition, which queries the header, asks for a passphrase, and then attempts to unlock using that passphrase. But you're saying... I'm not sure. |
| 01:45.14 | gimmel | ^^ @ L1Cafe |
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| 01:46.03 | L1Cafe | Mrfreeze: useradd or adduser? :) try typing useradd |
| 01:46.52 | L1Cafe | gimmel: do both partitions have the same keyboard password? (Just to undo previous ambiguity) |
| 01:47.03 | themill | (also adduser --system) |
| 01:47.21 | MrFreeze | so either would work? |
| 01:47.27 | gimmel | L1Cafe: Presently, yes, the passphrase is the same. But I could just as easily have made them different. |
| 01:47.34 | MrFreeze | like -s should be --system |
| 01:47.39 | L1Cafe | No, theyâre different binaries MrFreeze |
| 01:47.48 | themill | MrFreeze: no, -s is to set the shell. |
| 01:48.25 | L1Cafe | gimmel: I think the system just tries to unlock all devices with the provided passphrase |
| 01:48.58 | L1Cafe | Also... is this disk mounted on boot? Maybe itâs not even getting mounted on boot but upon login, lol |
| 01:48.59 | gimmel | L1Cafe: So if I change the passphrase on one, would it break? Or would it then ask for a second? |
| 01:49.18 | L1Cafe | It should ask for a second one, in case both do actually get unlocked |
| 01:50.13 | MrFreeze | just waiting on an operation to finish first :) |
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| 01:52.12 | L1Cafe | Imma go to sleep, itâs rather late |
| 01:52.15 | L1Cafe | See ya! |
| 01:52.26 | gimmel | L1Cafe: thanks for the help |
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| 01:57.24 | MrFreeze | so i added deb http://http.debian.net/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free and did the sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and went to do sudo apt-get install unrar i get no packages |
| 01:58.36 | MrFreeze | sudo useradd -s /sbin/nologin --home /opt/rtorrent rtorrent didnt even work either |
| 02:02.02 | dvs | MrFreeze, if nothing happened if you tried too install unrar, it means that unrar is already installed. |
| 02:02.16 | MrFreeze | nah theres no package for some reason |
| 02:02.23 | dvs | ,v unrar |
| 02:02.24 | judd | Package: unrar on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 1:5.2.7-0.1+deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 1:5.3.2-1+deb9u1; buster/non-free: 1:5.6.6-1; bullseye/non-free: 1:5.6.6-2; sid/non-free: 1:5.6.6-2 |
| 02:03.17 | MrFreeze | supposedly with ovh this is there debian 9: 4.19-ovh-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 |
| 02:03.18 | dvs | MrFreeze, there is no unrar in buster-backports |
| 02:03.52 | dvs | I mean stretch-backports |
| 02:07.12 | MrFreeze | whelp i fixed one issue |
| 02:07.22 | MrFreeze | i messed the links up ;) got unrar installed |
| 02:08.27 | MrFreeze | so if i do this: sudo adduser --disabled-login --disabled-password --home /opt/rtorrent --system rtorrent sudo chown rtorrent:rtorrent -R /opt/rtorrent/{session,watch,download} wont work(once the dirs are made) |
| 02:08.50 | MrFreeze | says group rtorrent:rtorrent doesnt exist or something like that |
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| 02:14.55 | quadrathoch2 | MrFreeze well, when I used your command, he doesn't create the group for the user |
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| 02:16.01 | MrFreeze | so this tut im following is messed |
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| 07:10.33 | conta | anyone here with KDE? I am in Autostart section of system settings and when I enable some program, go to the another part of system settings and come back, that program is not enabled |
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| 07:11.07 | conta | I've check the docs in KDE and seems like UI is fine, there is no save button that I would miss to push |
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| 07:30.39 | kreyren | So package `xserver-xorg-input-all` doesn't install all xserver-xorg-input things and i am confused to why i don't have input -.- |
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| 07:32.43 | leorat | conta, seems to work ok on mine, it remembers whatever i set |
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| 09:43.17 | ChrisH | I tried to install Debian 10 onto Raid1 using EFI and ran into Bug 925591. Question: Does it make sense to use UEFI with 2 times 128GB SSD for OS or will I be happier trying to switch to legacy BIOS? I found some w/a to still be able to boot from both OS mirror parts, but I do not really want to. I have systems with real HW Raids and EFI Partition on HW Raid setup working well. |
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| 10:43.52 | Irulan | Hello. Since a few days (maybe a few weeks), I have random connection failures while connecting to a public-facing ssh server. |
| 10:43.52 | Irulan | The server returns a RST a few microseconds after ACKing the initial client packet (client banner), without reporting anything in logs |
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| 10:45.13 | nkuttler | Irulan: increase the log level? |
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| 10:53.21 | Irulan | nkuttler: drop connection #12 from [2001:41d0:fe4b:ec42:b0c7:a059:afbc:e281]:40866 on [2001:41d0:8:a18a:1::124]:22 past MaxStartups |
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| 10:56.51 | ksk | Irulan: is there anything after MaxStartups? I have not used/seen that before, but it seems to be some sort of connection dropping mechanism. |
| 10:56.56 | ksk | man sshd_config |
| 10:57.21 | Irulan | nothing behind |
| 10:58.21 | ksk | still, the net does indeed suggests what I wrote. |
| 10:58.27 | Irulan | seems there are too many bots opening connection but not authenticating. I've reduced the LoginGraceTime and increased the MaxStartups |
| 10:59.04 | Irulan | thanks |
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| 11:02.09 | kreyren | From where does `dpkg --set-selections` read the packages? |
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| 11:02.27 | kreyren | i was told that i can do `dpkg --set-selections < my-selections.txt` followed by `apt -f install` but it doesn't overwrite the selections.. |
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| 11:03.21 | kreyren | was also trying `dpkg --get-selections <( cat world )` |
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| 11:10.52 | ksk | I would say thats how it works, yes. my-selection.txt does contain output from get-selections? |
| 11:11.21 | kreyren | ksk, eh? |
| 11:11.33 | kreyren | it doesn't seem to allow me to overwrite the selections to be used as world file though |
| 11:11.47 | ksk | what is in the file my-selections.txt? |
| 11:12.02 | kreyren | ksk, in /etc/apt/my-selections.txt |
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| 11:21.55 | zoidberg | ubuntu-dev-tools ð¤¦ââï¸ |
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| 11:24.25 | zoidberg | Actually ubuntu-* ð¤¦ââï¸ |
| 11:26.23 | zoidberg | Why do these packages exist in the official debian repository? |
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| 11:26.53 | ksk | ,info ubuntu-dev-tools |
| 11:26.54 | judd | Package ubuntu-dev-tools (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: useful tools for Ubuntu developers. Version: 0.166; Size: 131.2k; Installed: 377k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-dev-tools |
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| 11:27.14 | ksk | why not :) No need to install if you are not a Ubuntu dev I suppose. |
| 11:27.35 | zoidberg | Alright by that argumentation why does debian have such old software then? |
| 11:27.40 | zoidberg | I dont have to install the new software right? |
| 11:27.45 | nkuttler | ubuntu also uses the debian packaging system, so they could be useful |
| 11:27.49 | zoidberg | Eather you are a clean os without bloat |
| 11:27.51 | zoidberg | Or you are ubuntu |
| 11:27.53 | zoidberg | Its fucking sad |
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| 11:30.33 | jmcnaught | zoidberg: someone obviously felt those ubuntu tools were useful enough for inclusion. There are a lot of packages that most people won't use, but some maintainer has packaged it because it's useful to them and maybe someone else. |
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| 11:31.49 | zoidberg | Vmware wouldve been useful too |
| 11:31.52 | zoidberg | Was it packaged? |
| 11:31.52 | zoidberg | No |
| 11:32.15 | jmcnaught | zoidberg: for the version of software that gets into Debian, that depends on what stage of the cycle a release is in. If it's before a freeze, packages may be updated to a newer version. After the freeze, and especially once a stable release has happened, then no new versions without a very good reason. |
| 11:32.25 | zoidberg | *virtualbox |
| 11:32.58 | jmcnaught | zoidberg: Oracle refuses to release a version of virtualbox that can be maintained with security patches over the lifespan of a Debian release. Blame Oracle. |
| 11:33.04 | zoidberg | I know very well how the debian release cycle works, this just doesnt belong into an official repository period. |
| 11:33.12 | zoidberg | And i know that too |
| 11:33.14 | zoidberg | Its no excuse |
| 11:33.24 | jmcnaught | zoidberg: I'll just ignore you then. |
| 11:34.02 | zoidberg | I cant believe people are that delusional |
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| 11:38.04 | ksk | zoidberg: there is debian-package-keyring or so in Ubuntu. You good now? :P |
| 11:39.14 | zoidberg | ksk: thats not my point |
| 11:39.23 | zoidberg | debian is supposed to be a clean slate |
| 11:40.00 | zoidberg | If the tools can be used for something other than ubuntu then break the tools up and name them accordingly |
| 11:40.11 | zoidberg | Calling it ubuntu-* indicates clearly that something is going wrong here |
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| 11:42.12 | wikan | hi. I have very weird problem here. I am not sure if my graphics driver is broken or graphics card. |
| 11:43.06 | wikan | I thought my cable was broken because I could see something like screen refreshing when I was moving mouse, pressing keys or drive was working |
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| 11:44.02 | quadrathoch2 | are you butthurd or something? zoidberg |
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| 11:44.06 | wikan | I changed from HD VGA to normal vga and I could use only 1024x768 but screen was ok. In the same output |
| 11:44.28 | wikan | and new HD cable does refreshing too |
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| 11:45.25 | quadrathoch2 | wikan we need more info ;) for example what kind of GPU you have |
| 11:45.40 | wikan | 1 second sorry ... phone |
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| 11:55.28 | zoidberg | guess its time to look at arch |
| 11:56.02 | quadrathoch2 | zoidberg lol you do realize that even there they have ubuntu *stuff* |
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| 12:12.46 | wikan | sorry i am back |
| 12:13.08 | wikan | so the problem. Mu graphics card is integrated. |
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| 12:13.31 | quadrathoch2 | so what cpu do you have? |
| 12:13.54 | wikan | can you give me instructions to check it? |
| 12:14.48 | wikan | I can see nouveau driver |
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| 12:16.31 | quadrathoch2 | wikan lscpu |
| 12:16.33 | wikan | don't know why but I have 90% NVIDIA devices here O.o |
| 12:16.48 | wikan | oooo CPU not GPU |
| 12:17.11 | wikan | ok sorry. AMD Athlon II X2 |
| 12:17.15 | wikan | 32bit debian |
| 12:17.39 | quadrathoch2 | it should also tell you which model number |
| 12:17.54 | wikan | 6 |
| 12:17.59 | wikan | why it is important? |
| 12:18.34 | wikan | i think it is possible my motherboard is dying |
| 12:18.51 | quadrathoch2 | wikan did it work before? |
| 12:18.52 | wikan | this computer has more than 10 years and work 24h |
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| 12:19.04 | quadrathoch2 | ugh, yeah it could be possible |
| 12:19.26 | wikan | Yes it worked. Here what exactly is going on... |
| 12:19.43 | wikan | ...I have integrated video card - NVidia (VGA input)... |
| 12:20.17 | wikan | ...and Nvidia card in slot (VGA and DVI [....-.]) |
| 12:20.43 | quadrathoch2 | hm |
| 12:21.07 | wikan | plugged nvidia worked fine on DVI |
| 12:21.24 | wikan | integrated worked fine on VGA until problems begin |
| 12:21.39 | wikan | low res VGA work fine but up to 1024x768 |
| 12:21.46 | wikan | hi res VGA refreshes |
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| 12:22.22 | wikan | motherboard is server-type so it is hardcore to plug external card |
| 12:22.53 | quadrathoch2 | wikan so you have VGA and DVI as an option to connect a monitor? wikan |
| 12:23.23 | wikan | if I change from VGA to DVI or change card - BIOS don't want to update :D |
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| 12:24.00 | quadrathoch2 | why would the bios update oO |
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| 12:24.31 | wikan | I removed Nvidia card and BIOS started from integrated card. Nice. |
| 12:24.56 | wikan | but if I plug nvidia again to use DVI... BIOS will use integrated card not nvidia. |
| 12:25.05 | wikan | Linux don't see nvidia |
| 12:25.26 | wikan | if I unplug from integrated... bios will use integrated still :D |
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| 12:25.48 | wikan | so no display |
| 12:26.20 | wikan | it is nightmare to force bios to use plugged video card |
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| 12:27.05 | wikan | btw: integrated network card died few days ago |
| 12:27.21 | wikan | week after I uninstalled wifi drivers :D |
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| 12:28.48 | wikan | and I think the video problem is related to number of colors. Under console everything is fine. |
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| 12:30.08 | GenTooMan | does lxde have a method of stacking window references in a list so as not to make it improbable to find something in a crowded task bar? |
| 12:30.48 | quadrathoch2 | wikan make sure that in the bios its set to use the dgpu to boot |
| 12:30.58 | quadrathoch2 | but yeah it sounds like your board is dying wikan |
| 12:31.12 | wikan | quadrathoch2: well no such option in BIOS. BIOS has nothing about video card. |
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| 12:31.40 | quadrathoch2 | hm makes sense for a server board ^^ |
| 12:32.00 | wikan | quadrathoch2: it is possible. But this motherboard is awesome. |
| 12:32.22 | wikan | quadrathoch2: so I will not be angry |
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| 12:33.37 | wikan | well I can't even use second disk :| Second HDD hangs system randomly. |
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| 12:33.54 | wikan | fuck... I realized how bad situation is :| |
| 12:34.14 | quadrathoch2 | wikan no swearing in here ;) and yeah make sure you have backups |
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| 12:37.20 | wikan | quadrathoch2: sorry for swearning |
| 12:37.35 | quadrathoch2 | it happens wikan :) |
| 12:41.19 | three | wikan, I'm curious what board you have |
| 12:41.58 | wikan | don't know now. I don't want to move PC to check. Is any command for it? |
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| 12:43.09 | wikan | I asked people in computer service if they can upgrade my PC. They told me nope, but whoever build this PC knew his job very well. The motherboard is priceless and known very good. |
| 12:44.04 | wikan | I use computer services to build computers. I am software engineer :) |
| 12:44.33 | wikan | I have no idea how to pair processor with motherboard :D |
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| 12:45.14 | wikan | I think I use this PC for 15 years :| |
| 12:45.35 | hermande | Afternoon all. I'm running dhcpcd5 and my ipv6 default route works great. The other advertised routes are not being configured. |
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| 12:50.06 | wikan | hermande: it is question? |
| 12:50.22 | dD_ | I'm having a lot of trouble with a new SSD. I installed it not directly on the motherboard, but just changed it and ran fstrim, but after 24 hours I get many I/O error messages: https://i.imgur.com/RgN8wZV.png. I ran smartctl and everything looks good. What else could be the problem? |
| 12:50.43 | hermande | What could be stopping dhcpcd5 from parsing additional advertised routes? |
| 12:51.33 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ so how did you install it, when it's not directly on the board? |
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| 12:53.41 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: I did a stupidity and installed it through this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-SAS9201-8i-6Gbps-SAS-SATA-PCI-e-controller-card-H3-25268-00D-9211-8I/183921106069?hash=item2ad28d5c95:g:p8gAAOSwZ-pdViGz |
| 12:53.48 | three | wikan you had that board for 15 years? you need to upgrade then |
| 12:54.37 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ but you know that the controller should work or? |
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| 12:59.03 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: So that controller should not work for the SSD because you cannot run trim through it. |
| 12:59.18 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: The motherboard's controller has sata3 so it should work fine |
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| 12:59.45 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: the error messages started on the original controller that I sent you |
| 13:01.00 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ did you fsck? |
| 13:01.44 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: After changing? I didn't. |
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| 13:02.05 | quadrathoch2 | could you make sure that maybe it is fixable? |
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| 13:02.54 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: meaning just running fsck? |
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| 13:05.20 | quadrathoch2 | even better would be to be exact with what filesystem so for example 'sudo fsck.ext4 /path/to/partition' |
| 13:05.29 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ ^ |
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| 13:07.46 | dD_ | so sudo fsck.ext4 /dev/sda ? |
| 13:08.08 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: so sudo fsck.ext4 /dev/sda? |
| 13:08.48 | greycat | it's unlikely that /dev/sda is a file system. Usually it would be a partition, like /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda7 |
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| 13:09.27 | dD_ | greycat: thanks |
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| 13:11.18 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ sorry am on a call :/ |
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| 13:17.53 | dD_ | greycat: so should I run it on all partitions? |
| 13:18.03 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: no problem :) |
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| 13:18.15 | greycat | you can't fsck a file system that is mounted read-write |
| 13:18.23 | greycat | I don't know what your overall goal is, here |
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| 13:20.27 | dD_ | I'm having I/O problems: https://i.imgur.com/RgN8wZV.png |
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| 13:21.54 | dD_ | greycat: I'm having I/O problems: https://i.imgur.com/RgN8wZV.png and and quadrathoch2 suggested I run fsck on the file system, but since I don't know where the nodes are I would run it on everything. |
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| 13:22.33 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ just wanted first to make sure your data is still there in full and not completly corrupted, before doing anything else |
| 13:22.41 | greycat | Are you *booted* into a system that's installed on sda? If so, you are not likely to be ABLE to fsck a file system anywhere on sda. You would need to boot from alternative media or something. |
| 13:23.04 | dD_ | greycat: I am booted on a system but I would use a live USB |
| 13:23.22 | greycat | So, if you boot from USB or whatever, then yes, you can identify the file systems on sda and fsck them. |
| 13:23.30 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: data is good, since it's on the alternate drive |
| 13:23.46 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: but fsck can't damage the data can it? |
| 13:24.05 | quadrathoch2 | no |
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| 13:54.52 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: alright, ran fsck and some orphaned nodes were cleared, https://i.imgur.com/gWRuxN6.png, but they seem to be very different than the ones giving me problems at first: https://i.imgur.com/RgN8wZV.png |
| 13:55.09 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: would it also make sense to run fsck on the data drive? maybe one references the other? |
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| 14:01.24 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ yeah that's really weird :/ hm |
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| 14:03.34 | ksk | I only looked on the last screen, but as far as I can tell you replace the drive when it talks to you like that. |
| 14:04.12 | quadrathoch2 | that was also my guess, in the end |
| 14:05.59 | dD_ | ksk, quadrathoch2 : :/ even if the drive is practically new? One question: when connecting to my motherboard, I had to activate SATA3 and had a couple of options, could those be the problem? Before replacing it, is there any other check I should run? Could the controller be at fault? |
| 14:07.33 | greycat | The drive could be bad, the cables could be bad or loose, the motherboard could be bad.... |
| 14:08.12 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ the only way to really know is maybe testing it on another system? so the only part that is the same is the drive itself? |
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| 14:11.21 | Blankspace | hi |
| 14:11.28 | Deano59 | hi! |
| 14:11.30 | Blankspace | i am new debian user |
| 14:11.38 | Blankspace | can any oone ehelp |
| 14:11.39 | Deano59 | congrats... |
| 14:11.43 | greycat | !ask |
| 14:11.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:11.51 | Deano59 | greycat: beat me to it. xD |
| 14:12.03 | Blankspace | when i do sudo su and enter pwd it says the user is not in sudoers list :\ |
| 14:12.22 | Deano59 | Blankspace: adduser *name* sudo |
| 14:12.32 | greycat | Add yourself to the "sudo" group by running "adduser yourname sudo", and then log out and back in. |
| 14:12.37 | Deano59 | ^ |
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| 14:13.00 | greycat | Also, "sudo su" is silly. Use "sudo -i" if you want a root login shell, or "sudo -s" for a regular root shell. |
| 14:13.59 | Blankspace | adduser command not found |
| 14:14.02 | Blankspace | :( |
| 14:14.08 | greycat | As root. |
| 14:14.26 | Blankspace | i am not able to get root access |
| 14:14.36 | Blankspace | thats what i am trying to say |
| 14:14.39 | greycat | Use "su" to become root in a terminal, or go to the console (Ctrl-alt-f2) and login directly as root. |
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| 14:15.38 | Blankspace | in root also it is showing adduser command doesnt exist |
| 14:15.47 | greycat | Sorry, I should have said "su -". |
| 14:15.49 | greycat | !buster su |
| 14:15.50 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 14:15.57 | dD_ | greycat: quadrathoch2 and does the fact that i set it under IDE mode in the BIOS make a difference? Should I have tried setting it differently? |
| 14:16.01 | greycat | I *despise* that change... |
| 14:16.06 | annadane | you may wish to read some documentation like the debian handbook, or the reference manual (a bit more dense; i'd probably start with the handbook) and especially wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:16.10 | annadane | also, welcome to debian! |
| 14:17.04 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ which are the other modes? |
| 14:17.16 | Blankspace | yes now it works |
| 14:17.20 | Blankspace | thanks. |
| 14:18.07 | Deano59 | Blankspace: don't forget to log out/login. |
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| 14:20.10 | Blankspace | why? |
| 14:20.21 | greycat | changes to your list of groups only apply at login time |
| 14:20.27 | Deano59 | ^ |
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| 14:38.56 | Jdbye | how good is exfat support in linux? |
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| 14:40.28 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: IDE Mode, AHCI Mode, Raid Mode, and for this specific sata port I can select compatibility mode or enhanced mode, it's currently in enhanced and IDE |
| 14:41.20 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ it should be ahci mode |
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| 14:42.41 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: thanks, how come? and should it be compatibility or enhanced? |
| 14:43.58 | quadrathoch2 | uff, i don't even know what that specifically is? is there some explanation? ahci is an intel standard for detecting how to transfer data etc ;) |
| 14:44.19 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ if you want to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface |
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| 14:54.07 | dD_ | Thanks, so it appears compatibility mode makes it easier to change the disk to another machine. But that only applies on IDE. From what I understand, changing it to ahci woud not change my problems, right? I think I'll change the cable, change the port, used compressed air on all of the entries, and if everything is still having the same problem, clone my SSD and replace it. |
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| 14:54.44 | dD_ | quadrathoch2: is there anyithing aside from fstrim, smartctl, and fsck that I could try on the software side? |
| 14:55.22 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ hm the only thing i would maybe look at, if the vendor has some bootable iso to test the disk |
| 14:56.11 | quadrathoch2 | dD_ honestly I have no idea if that would fix your issue (switching to ahci) as I never had that issue/ never switched after using the disk for the first time |
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| 15:19.10 | elios | hello, does default debian desktop environment have synaptics and reminds you of updates? |
| 15:19.27 | elios | asking for a friend |
| 15:19.47 | greycat | !synaptic |
| 15:19.47 | dpkg | Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (also behaves well with aptitude too). http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSynaptic . Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver. |
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| 15:20.02 | greycat | Hrm, mostly useless factoid. |
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| 15:20.37 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes |
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| 15:20.43 | greycat | The default Wayland session for GNOME stops some packages like synaptic from working. |
| 15:21.01 | elios | we got got cinnamon installed so idk |
| 15:21.38 | greycat | Then you didn't use the regular installer, or you didn't let it choose the default desktop env, which is perfectly fine, because letting thing choose for you is bad. |
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| 15:22.19 | elios | default desktop env+cinnamon. i use to install xorg and my wm seperately so idk. |
| 15:22.22 | greycat | The "default desktop environment" is GNOME if and only if you used a regular installer (netinst, DVD-1, etc.). If you used an alternative installer, such as a Live image, it may have a different default. |
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| 15:23.04 | elios | idk what it's called let me look it up real quick |
| 15:23.10 | greycat | The fact that the installer does not TELL YOU THIS, and goes out of its way to have an ambiguous "Debian desktop" setting which gives you a MYSTERY DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT, is horrid. |
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| 15:24.02 | elios | it's just `Desktop Environment` and `Cinnamon` |
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| 15:24.47 | elios | greycat: thought it might be for login managaer and some desktop stuff to make things easier. |
| 15:24.49 | greycat | So you used a "live cinnamon" image? |
| 15:25.01 | elios | what's live cinnamon? |
| 15:25.10 | elios | it was a debian network installer |
| 15:25.42 | greycat | Dunno what to tell you. You have what you have. Either use it, or replace it. |
| 15:26.24 | elios | i can't tell because the person is on the other end of the world but i will just install it on a vm to see for myself thanks |
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| 15:26.42 | greycat | Now I'm completely lost. |
| 15:27.16 | greycat | You're going to INSTALL SOMETHING that may or may not match what the other person THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY did at some unspecified time in the past, and you think YOURS will be the same as THEIRS? |
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| 15:28.01 | greycat | If you actually want to know what the other person HAS, get the output of "dpkg -l" or "dpkg --get-selections" from them. |
| 15:28.02 | elios | er debian 10.x with cinnamon+desktop environment will be pretty much the same for me here yes |
| 15:28.58 | elios | maybe they have exclusive regional features now who knows |
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| 15:29.07 | elios | we installed it just yesterday |
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| 15:30.32 | elios | but no worries i will send them here so you can help that person out |
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| 15:34.12 | elios | on the other hand they probably will not use debian for long if i send them here |
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| 15:41.49 | nanthencodeneeth | can anybody give me guidance on yarn start:prod command |
| 15:42.30 | nanthencodeneeth | i have certain doubt regarding this command |
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| 15:43.20 | nanthencodeneeth | if I start this command and change some thing in js file my production server stops |
| 15:43.26 | nanthencodeneeth | why is it like that |
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| 15:44.43 | nanthencodeneeth | please help me |
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| 15:45.39 | JPT | yarn is a package manager for javascript projects. Perhaps ask in a channel related to that. /msg alis list searchterm can help you find a better channel for your question. |
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| 16:11.27 | nanthencodeneeth | @JPT thanks for your reply |
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| 16:28.49 | nanthencodeneeth | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62392674/what-does-yarn-startprod-do |
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| 16:29.02 | nanthencodeneeth | sorry for posting in wrong place |
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| 16:35.34 | rain1 | hello! |
| 16:35.39 | rain1 | I just updated and my panel disappeared |
| 16:35.50 | rain1 | and every time i log out and back in its gone |
| 16:35.57 | rain1 | did this happen to anyone else? what should I do to fix it? |
| 16:36.02 | rain1 | I am using xfce4 |
| 16:36.10 | quadrathoch2 | which panel rain1? |
| 16:36.27 | rain1 | the bar at the top and the dock at the bottom |
| 16:38.00 | alexandros_c | Good day, I am trying to import the pgp public key for mongodb on my debian server and I am getting the message that the key is unsigned. Is there anything that I can to resolve this other than just telling apt to trust it? thanks |
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| 16:38.48 | quadrathoch2 | can you go into the system settings rain1? |
| 16:38.59 | rain1 | yea i did |
| 16:39.04 | rain1 | but i dont know how to save my panel |
| 16:39.16 | quadrathoch2 | it should do it automatically rain1 |
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| 16:45.19 | EdePopede | rain1: is the session saved at logout? |
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| 16:48.39 | rain1 | i guess its not saved |
| 16:48.40 | rain1 | its weird |
| 16:48.43 | rain1 | this only happened today sinec i updated |
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| 16:49.07 | jmcnaught | rain1: did this happen on buster, or are you using testing or unstable? |
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| 17:01.21 | EdePopede | rain1: optionally it could be that it crashes during login. |
| 17:02.59 | EdePopede | rain1: in the Session tab of Session and Startup, what restart style does the panel have? |
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| 17:09.10 | rain1 | oehmm |
| 17:09.13 | rain1 | ill check |
| 17:09.19 | rain1 | i think im on buster |
| 17:09.57 | rain1 | ok i saved the session |
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| 17:13.49 | rain1 | hi! |
| 17:14.06 | rain1 | I tried clearing the session cache and saving in there, and then i restarted but it is still not giving me a panel when i log in |
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| 17:23.53 | rain1 | Can I change my desktop? |
| 17:24.46 | greycat | install the one you want to try, and if you use a graphical login, there should be a menu/dropdown/button/thingy on the login screen to select which desktop to use |
| 17:25.12 | greycat | if you use startx, figure out the command to start the new desktop, and put that in your .xsession, or try it one-shot with startx yournewcommand |
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| 17:26.43 | rain1 | OK |
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| 17:33.40 | lns | How can one automatically run a script after updating a *specific* package? |
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| 17:34.07 | greycat | put it in the package's postinst |
| 17:34.14 | petn-randall | lns: Are you packaging the package? If yes, you can use the package's postinst. |
| 17:34.48 | greycat | if you mean "... a package that I'm not the maintainer of", I don't know of any answer that will make you happy |
| 17:34.58 | lns | greycat: that's the case unfortunately :/ |
| 17:35.31 | lns | An electron-based package that screws up chrome sandbox each time it updates, I'd like to run a script to fix afterwards.. |
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| 17:36.16 | lns | Ty for your help petn-randall and greycat |
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| 17:38.44 | petn-randall | lns: You can execute a script via /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ after the apt run has happened. You'd probably have to dig a bit for the details, though. |
| 17:39.07 | petn-randall | lns: e.g. needrestart does this: DPkg::Post-Invoke {"test -x /usr/lib/needrestart/apt-pinvoke && /usr/lib/needrestart/apt-pinvoke || true"; }; |
| 17:39.37 | lns | petn-randall: This could not be defined for a specific package being upgraded though, right? It'd basically launch after every run? |
| 17:39.49 | lns | I mean it's not a big deal I just wanted to do it the "most correct" way |
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| 17:40.44 | greycat | most correct would be to fix the broken package |
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| 17:40.52 | lns | true. |
| 17:41.10 | lns | I will file a bug report. |
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| 17:43.15 | lns | And of course there already is one ;) |
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| 18:02.06 | bbt | running debian buster or a raspberry pi and an orangepi and both have an issue where some services wont start on boot. My understaning is there is some issue with rnd or something causing it? what can i do to fix this? |
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| 18:03.13 | rain1 | i cant figure this kiosk mode thing out! |
| 18:03.17 | rain1 | no panel is so frustrating |
| 18:03.22 | greycat | !buster entropy |
| 18:03.22 | dpkg | In Buster, stricter random number initialization can slow down booting on some computer models. See buster release notes https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#entropy-starvation and the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/BoottimeEntropyStarvation |
| 18:03.26 | bbt | i installed haveged but doesnt appear to be helping |
| 18:04.35 | bbt | yeah i read that, hence haveged but still having issues |
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| 18:05.08 | th0r | bbt, are you running raspbian? and what services are not starting? |
| 18:06.25 | bbt | yes |
| 18:06.31 | bbt | apache2 |
| 18:06.42 | bbt | rpimonitor, only two im interested in |
| 18:07.57 | th0r | bbt, you might try #raspbian, they might be able to help. I ran apache2 on an older pi with an older raspbian with no issues. I run buster on a pi4 for a desktop but don't have apache installed here |
| 18:08.17 | bbt | ok |
| 18:08.40 | bbt | though this is a debian documented issue |
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| 18:15.05 | greycat | "this" |
| 18:15.33 | greycat | do you have *any* evidence that your Raspbian system is actually experiencing entropy starvation? a log file message, for example? |
| 18:15.49 | greycat | if not, then you may be fixing the wrong problem, one that you don't even have |
| 18:18.02 | bbt | [ 8.106576] random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting is what i am getting in the logs |
| 18:19.32 | zerocool | hey ya'll. i just spun upa hyper-v vm for debian 10, selected KDE, it installed everything and booted but it's no gui. checked sddm, it's installed. checked task-kde-desktop, it's installed. any ideas? |
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| 18:20.09 | zerocool | also installed hyperv-daemons, rebooted, tried restarting sddm, jumping around tty's, no go. |
| 18:20.49 | bbt | waiting for cure.. |
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| 18:24.48 | tharkun | Good $DAY I'v succesfully reformated a usb that holded a Net install image. The tiny little mistake I made is that I formatted os an ext3 partition which is not Windows or Mac compatible. Any suggestions on how to fix this from cli? |
| 18:24.56 | zerocool | using gen2, i just deleted the vm and trying gen1, i get the debian splash but no menu for installation |
| 18:24.59 | zerocool | -_- |
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| 18:39.06 | ScreamerX | does anybody use kde? after a fresh installation of debian 10, clicking on konqueror (1st item in start menu) shows a strange error: "not documented error". |
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| 19:01.58 | karlpinc | ScreamerX: Try starting it from the command line and see what error(s) you get. |
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| 19:02.48 | karlpinc | tharkun: Format it as vfat. |
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| 19:07.28 | ScreamerX | karlpinc, clicking on konqueror in start menu executes "kfmclient openURL %u text/html". executing this command in the terminal does not show any error output. only in window of konqueror. |
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| 19:18.59 | tharkun | karlpinc: Thanks. mkdosfs took care of it. fdisk insisted on setting the linux file system and Mac computers are a bit picky about that. |
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| 19:25.35 | karlpinc | ScreamerX: Do you get an error if you type "konqueror"? |
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| 19:26.46 | ScreamerX | karlpinc, no, not really |
| 19:28.01 | karlpinc | Humm. I don't know what "kfmclient" is supposed to do.... After you get the "strange error" do things work as expected? |
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| 19:31.16 | ScreamerX | karlpinc, this is how it looks: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/cbiw59/debian_10_kde_konqueror_weird_error/ |
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| 19:33.40 | greycat | what the hell is this bug report... "I have an almost mint condition Debian 10" -- "almost"? what did you change? "I decided to check; result was the error message in the attached screenshot" -- check *what*? what did you *do*? |
| 19:34.14 | greycat | "when started X or Y it works" ... well then HOW *DID* YOU START IT? |
| 19:34.44 | ScreamerX | there is an official bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414505 |
| 19:34.59 | greycat | ... which was not mentioned in the reddit *either* |
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| 19:37.43 | karlpinc | I wonder if there's a debian bug report. |
| 19:38.03 | ScreamerX | they also write about it: https://linuxreviews.org/Debian |
| 19:38.20 | ScreamerX | "However, the in-your-face bugs like an error message when you simply start Konqueror takes away from the experience. It kind of raises the question: Did anyone even try using KDE on Debian Buster before they shipped it?" |
| 19:38.52 | greycat | Ah, so there is no actual intent to fix anything. They just want to whine. |
| 19:38.52 | ScreamerX | "Starting KDE's web browser Konqueror produces a not so welcoming "The requested operation could not be completed" "Undocumented Error" message. " |
| 19:39.39 | ScreamerX | greycat, do you have an idea on how to fix it? |
| 19:39.51 | greycat | Oh, you're part of it. |
| 19:39.53 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:40.10 | ScreamerX | what should i do? |
| 19:40.32 | greycat | You said there is an upstream bug report. You could start there. |
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| 19:40.54 | greycat | Or, you could file a Debian bug report, if there isn't one already. |
| 19:41.20 | bagira | in all fairness it would be expected that peer review would catch that before it went live as a standard accoutrement of the package delivery pipeline |
| 19:41.50 | bagira | ducks |
| 19:42.13 | greycat | I imagine that it *does* in fact work for most users, and therefore a whole bunch of detail is required from the one for whom it fails. |
| 19:42.21 | jmcnaught | ScreamerX: did you install packages with recommends disabled? |
| 19:42.29 | karlpinc | I can't find a bug report for it. |
| 19:42.43 | karlpinc | But I've not looked really closely. |
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| 19:43.29 | ScreamerX | jmcnaught, its a fresh installation of debian buster. all i did was selecting kde in the installer. |
| 19:45.42 | jmcnaught | ScreamerX: are you trying to use Konqueror as a browser? I know it should work, but you may want to consider using a different browser with security support instead, which on Debian buster includes firefox-esr, chromium, and browsers based on webkit2gtk. |
| 19:47.50 | ScreamerX | jmcnaught, i dont use konqueror as browser. its just the first button in the start menu that shows an error all over the screen. |
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| 19:50.44 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Konqueror does not have security support? |
| 19:50.57 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
| 19:51.35 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Thanks. I probably even read that and didn't pay attention, not being a user of konqueror. |
| 19:54.38 | greycat | How are dumb users like me who don't happen to be packagers of web browsers supposed to know which browsers are "built upon e.g. the webkit and khtml engines"? |
| 19:54.38 | karlpinc | Good question. |
| 19:54.38 | greycat | and apparently there's something called "webkit" and something called "webkit2gtk" and one's bad and the other's good...? |
| 19:55.03 | jmcnaught | I don't know, just use firefox-esr or chromium I guess. |
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| 19:55.19 | jmcnaught | But not chromium on stretch, it's not supported there according to the debian-security-support package. |
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| 19:59.04 | jmcnaught | I'm installing buster with KDE in a VM because I want to see this Konqueror behaviour first hand. |
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| 19:59.22 | karlpinc | greycat: My take is that the library itself is supported, but not all the browsers that use it. |
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| 20:00.30 | karlpinc | But that is an uneducated guess. |
| 20:02.20 | n4dir | just hunting for a good replacement for the netsurf browser, to only read a bit of documentation with small ressource usage. Anyone has got an idea? |
| 20:02.41 | n4dir | midori doesn't even load pages anymore, it seems. |
| 20:02.41 | greycat | dillo? |
| 20:03.17 | n4dir | greycat: yes, good choice. a bit more comfort wouldn't hurt, but if no one has another idea, i'll go for dillo (just installed it). Long short: thanks. |
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| 20:11.04 | dD_ | Is there a way to open two PDFs and print them together without having to merge them first? I normally have to print a lot of tracking slips in the same paper, and I download them as separate PDFs |
| 20:15.29 | omenius | should every hdd with os have their own grub or just one grub? |
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| 20:17.02 | greycat | Ideally just one. The computer's firmware is only going to boot from one disk. |
| 20:17.03 | r3 | dD_: I've used [ https://www.ilovepdf.com/ ] before and it was a wonder |
| 20:17.49 | r3 | the desktop client is only windows and macos, but I think you can use the online version |
| 20:18.34 | sney | dD_: pdftk might have something like that, though it would be merging them in ram and then printing I think |
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| 20:19.31 | r3 | dD_: oh, I misread, you said "without merging" - sorry - nevermind me |
| 20:20.01 | dD_ | r3: yeah, like not in pdf arranger or anything like that |
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| 20:21.40 | mezzo | I use pdfunite, it works for me |
| 20:21.48 | mezzo | light in terminal |
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| 20:22.01 | mezzo | then I print |
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| 20:22.45 | mezzo | then you can discar the merged file.. |
| 20:23.41 | mezzo | you can even go pdfunite *.pdf out.pdf for several files |
| 20:24.21 | greycat | or write a small script/function that does the temp file dance for you |
| 20:24.54 | mezzo | I'm not that advanced :) |
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| 20:25.45 | r3 | super easy if you employ 'mktemp' |
| 20:26.21 | karlpinc | Or even just write some hardcoded file name to /tmp/ and pretend that there will never be problems with concurrency. |
| 20:26.25 | greycat | or just use the same temp file name every time, because you're doing it in your $HOME where you don't have to worry about malicious actors |
| 20:26.39 | r3 | well that's very true too :) |
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| 20:28.23 | jmaher | dD: try pdftk for messing with pdfs |
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| 20:30.04 | dD_ | So with pdftk would I be able to create maybe a right click menu item that merges and opens all highlighted pdfs together? |
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| 20:32.15 | sney | it's pretty scriptable, so probably? |
| 20:32.23 | r3 | dD_: maybe start with a command-line/terminal/bash utility script first and build up from there? If you were wanting to do it yourself and automate things a bit |
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| 20:33.14 | dD_ | I guess I just want to solve it as easy as possible from the GUI. So if there is another way I'm good with it, if there's not I'd probably go that route. |
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| 20:36.35 | dD_ | So while I'm at it, would pdftk allow me to rotate two pdfs and add them to the same page? |
| 20:37.52 | mezzo | you can rotate with pdftk |
| 20:38.36 | mezzo | pdftk in.pdf cat 1-endsouth output out.pdf (south/west/east...) |
| 20:39.08 | dD_ | :| |
| 20:39.17 | dD_ | thank you |
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| 20:41.13 | r3 | well, short of making your own GUI, I guess my suggestion of the ilovepdf website utilities might be helpful |
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| 20:43.21 | dD_ | r3: oh wow, didn't understand it was a website, thought it was an application |
| 20:43.22 | dD_ | thanks |
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| 20:45.09 | r3 | it is both, but they don't have a linux desktop utility suite. I seem to remember a lot of the more advanced tools may require a subscription, I forget. |
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| 20:47.47 | n4dir | not sure what is more impressive about dillo: RAM usage of 10 Mb or it's outstanding ugliness. We have a winner. |
| 20:47.48 | r3 | oh and if you register I guess you can get an app, which might be really handy |
| 20:49.07 | jaami | file manager taking too long to open. i deleted evolution folders and its sub folders by mistake. everything seems good except for the file manager. what is the reason file manager is not opening? |
| 20:49.56 | jaami | what is the package name for file manager? |
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| 20:51.08 | n4dir | jaami: might be nautilus. |
| 20:51.39 | jaami | oh ok. i try that |
| 20:52.23 | n4dir | the huge advantage of all those shiny new GUI's: not easy to find out programs names anymore ... |
| 20:54.10 | jaami | nautilus was removed and re installed but file manager is not opening. the round ball of progress keep spinning but nothing happens |
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| 20:54.59 | jaami | can you tell me some other ways to fix fil emanager? |
| 20:55.50 | n4dir | did you try to start it from the commandline, to (perhaps) get a usefull error message? |
| 20:56.04 | jaami | oh no. just a minute |
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| 20:57.01 | jaami | WARNING **: 15:56:15.777: Error on getting connection: Failed to load SPARQL backend: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY |
| 20:57.12 | n4dir | you could also quickly create a test-user and test if he/she has the same problems. Perhaps move the nautilus config file to a backup (might be ~/.config/nautilus, else do "find ~ -name "*nautilus*' " |
| 20:57.35 | jaami | there are bunch of errors |
| 20:57.38 | jaami | (nautilus:4037): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 15:56:15.778: g_dbus_connection_signal_unsubscribe: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed |
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| 20:58.10 | n4dir | jaami: that sure is above me. Either hope someone does know or put part of the term in a searchengine (also "echo $DISPLAY" and such). good luck |
| 20:59.04 | mezzo | creating a basic new user is a good idea |
| 20:59.22 | jaami | oh ok |
| 20:59.45 | mezzo | use it and see if it works |
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| 21:03.07 | neilthereildeil | hi i am trying to configure isc-dhcpd. I only want it listening on 1 of my multiple interfaces |
| 21:03.39 | neilthereildeil | so i added INTERFACES="MY_INTERFACE" to /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server |
| 21:03.53 | neilthereildeil | but im getting errors about the other interfaces |
| 21:04.12 | neilthereildeil | why is it even looking at other interfaces if i didnt mention them in INTERFACES= ? |
| 21:04.19 | sney | did you restart dhcpd after making the change? |
| 21:04.27 | neilthereildeil | ya |
| 21:04.46 | neilthereildeil | stopping the daemon is sucessful |
| 21:04.51 | neilthereildeil | but starting it is not |
| 21:05.06 | neilthereildeil | and it works when i run "dhcpd MY_INTERFACE" |
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| 21:05.31 | neilthereildeil | but i have to explicitly specify the interface on which to listen in that case |
| 21:05.39 | neilthereildeil | rather than putting it in the config file |
| 21:06.03 | jaami | created user. but laptop has no keyboard and no display. i use external display and keyboard. unfortunately screen goes gray on login screen and i can see nothing. when there was only one user the password worked blindly. but i guess now there will be list to select user. and i have no way to see that list |
| 21:06.16 | sney | check what the systemd unit is running to start the daemon |
| 21:06.31 | neilthereildeil | sney: how? |
| 21:07.32 | mezzo | jaami: type the username + enter then passwd + enter ? |
| 21:07.39 | sney | neilthereildeil: with systemctl status |
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| 21:07.56 | jaami | hmm, that should work. i try |
| 21:08.32 | jaami | actualy, i use Swith User , should i log out? |
| 21:09.12 | n4dir | jaami: try alt+ctrl+F2 to get a tty (?) terminal, login as root, disable display-manager (systemctl disable gdm ?), reboot, login as new user, run startx. |
| 21:09.20 | n4dir | might be worth a try. |
| 21:09.33 | n4dir | i probably screwed it somewhere |
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| 21:11.04 | n4dir | probably not a good idea to just go for it with your no screen/keyboard situation ... |
| 21:11.11 | greycat | "systemctl disable" just makes it not run at boot time (next time you boot). If you want to stop it now, you use "systemctl stop" instead. |
| 21:11.27 | greycat | (or in addition) |
| 21:13.17 | jaami | i dont understand that. i pressed the ctrl+Alt+F2 on desktop . when and where to press that key combinations |
| 21:13.49 | n4dir | greycat: but i do remember if you do "stop" and then run "startx", it will just start the display-manager again. |
| 21:13.57 | jaami | oh ok, the idea rejected |
| 21:14.06 | mezzo | you press those keys on the laptop |
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| 21:15.13 | jaami | laptop has no keyboard. bare board with RAM+HDD and external keyboard, mouse, LCD |
| 21:15.25 | mezzo | on external kb |
| 21:15.45 | jaami | yes, i did press on external keyboard but it did nothing |
| 21:16.01 | mezzo | maybe it's not F2 |
| 21:16.19 | mezzo | try F7 (long time I did this) |
| 21:16.34 | jaami | ok i try |
| 21:16.37 | mezzo | anyway switch between F-numbers |
| 21:16.56 | mezzo | you should get a console (tty) |
| 21:17.04 | mezzo | or a login prompt |
| 21:17.14 | sney | Xorg uses TTY7 by default so anything 1-6 should be fine. I'm not sure if wayland has the same behavior though |
| 21:17.24 | sney | if this system is using gnome then by default it's also using wayland |
| 21:18.24 | wwilliam | Hello I have this process i have done kill pid and do not want to die how to kill? |
| 21:19.20 | mezzo | killall -9 nameofprocess ? |
| 21:19.37 | wwilliam | dont die like that either. |
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| 21:19.51 | sney | you should probably stop the service that's relaunching it, then |
| 21:20.29 | jaami | the key combination with F7 worked and i was able to login with new standard user. but file manager is not opening there too. just the circle keep spinning |
| 21:20.56 | wwilliam | the date is from April 4 |
| 21:21.03 | wwilliam | I dont see it refreshing. |
| 21:21.30 | wwilliam | how do i know the parent process? |
| 21:21.50 | wwilliam | never mind i see it 1 |
| 21:23.27 | mezzo | jaami: is it a fresh install ? |
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| 21:23.43 | wwilliam | no |
| 21:24.35 | jaami | not really fresh, got it 2, 3 weeks ago |
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| 21:25.14 | mezzo | if nothing important is on it, you can consider reinstalling... I think you damaged more than the file manager... |
| 21:25.18 | mezzo | or try another one |
| 21:25.55 | mezzo | rox-filer is a light one, just to check and recover some files if needed... |
| 21:25.56 | n4dir | i'd assume that for DesktopEnvironments filemanagers do more than only manage files. |
| 21:26.11 | n4dir | but sure, sound like there is more damage than only that |
| 21:26.47 | mezzo | if rox-filer doesn't work then there is way more damage |
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| 21:26.59 | jaami | mezzo, i have no special app except for wifi drivers and virtualbox. but i was thinking if there is way to restore something |
| 21:27.07 | tomreyn | journalctl -b to review system logs |
| 21:27.29 | tomreyn | add -k to only see kernel logs (for hardware / driver problems) |
| 21:27.44 | mezzo | when you removed files, you were inuser mode right ? |
| 21:27.53 | tomreyn | (-k before the -b) |
| 21:28.11 | jaami | mezzo, No, i was root |
| 21:28.17 | mezzo | there you go |
| 21:28.24 | jaami | :( |
| 21:28.28 | mezzo | you removed essential stuff |
| 21:28.59 | mezzo | it'd try rox-filer quickly |
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| 21:29.18 | n4dir | i'd get rid of gnome ... :-) |
| 21:29.25 | mezzo | then probably reinstall... otherwise you're gonna waste too much time trying to find the problem |
| 21:29.27 | jaami | i did not know evolution is system folder. actually, a miner was installed somehow. i think it was screensaver that installed crypto miner. so got upset a bit |
| 21:29.45 | mezzo | n4dir: +1 |
| 21:29.59 | jaami | yes, you are right, too much time will go for fixing |
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| 21:32.21 | jaami | oh rox-filer let me check that \ |
| 21:33.39 | mezzo | it's very old and quite basic but I like it :) |
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| 21:44.28 | n4dir | jaami: i don't understand it, but similar error messages (and a solution?) are to be found here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=241184 |
| 21:45.00 | jaami | oh checking |
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| 21:45.25 | n4dir | might want to ask people who do use gnome. |
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| 21:48.24 | n4dir | a gnome irc channel for example (assuming there is one) |
| 21:48.42 | sney | !gnome |
| 21:48.42 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
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| 21:50.04 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:53.51 | jmcnaught | jaami: what does 'systemctl --user status dbus.service' say? |
| 21:54.08 | jaami | let me try |
| 21:54.57 | jaami | Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory |
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| 21:55.35 | jmcnaught | jaami: were you root? I should have specifed to run the command as your regular user. |
| 21:56.01 | jaami | oh, i try again with regular user. sorry |
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| 21:58.26 | jaami | jmcnaught, https://paste.debian.net/1152252/ |
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| 21:59.30 | jmcnaught | jaami: was that the full output, there were no log messages under the process tree? |
| 22:00.28 | jaami | lines 1-10/10 (END) |
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| 22:01.11 | jaami | how to show all. i think there are 10 lines only, i counted though |
| 22:02.09 | jaami | what key to press when END is displayed |
| 22:02.21 | jmcnaught | to exit the pager press q |
| 22:03.14 | jaami | ahhhh q, yes just 10 lines are there |
| 22:03.28 | jmcnaught | jaami: did you install or remove any packages before this started? Have you rebooted? |
| 22:04.24 | jaami | after i removed the tracker. i removed evolution too. but later installed evolution again and rebooted system |
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| 22:04.56 | jmcnaught | jaami: how much else was removed when you removed tracker and evolution? |
| 22:05.23 | jaami | and yes, when problems did not go away. i installed timeshiftt and backed up system. |
| 22:06.45 | jmcnaught | Nautilus used to work before though? |
| 22:06.46 | jaami | actually, i removed the /user/lib/tracker because i did not know the package name. i removed all the subfolders too |
| 22:07.14 | jaami | Yes, Nautilus , File Manger was working good before that |
| 22:07.35 | jmcnaught | Nautilus worked before you deleted a bunch of tracker's files? |
| 22:08.12 | jmcnaught | jaami: you're really not supposed to delete files that are owned by packages. They'll just end up back again if the package is ever updated. And it can cause unpredictable behaviour. |
| 22:08.17 | jaami | hmm, i am sorry i i am assuming that Nautilus and File manager is somewhat same name |
| 22:08.31 | jmcnaught | Nautilus aka Files aka File manager |
| 22:08.44 | jaami | oh, i'll keep that in mind |
| 22:09.06 | jmcnaught | So this started after you deleted a bunch of tracker's files? |
| 22:09.44 | jaami | Exactly, and i see some other ppl have same issue |
| 22:10.08 | n4dir | nautilus depends on tracker. if gnome was installed during installation, with tasksel, then gnome should depend on evolution. |
| 22:10.13 | jaami | i did not know the traker was the reason until today |
| 22:10.32 | jmcnaught | Well, stuff will break if you delete files in /usr |
| 22:10.40 | jaami | oh |
| 22:10.46 | n4dir | if you do any apt* operations, do you get information that "some packages are not needed anymore" and to "use apt-get autoremove to remove them" ? |
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| 22:11.38 | jaami | No, i installed timeshift and there was no sucj error. also installed Peony and it is working fine |
| 22:12.16 | jmcnaught | jaami: right now dpkg and apt don't know that files are missing from some packages. It's also very likely that you deleted files from more than just tracker. |
| 22:12.33 | n4dir | that seems weird to me. It is a common problem to remove parts of a tasksel metapackage (of desktop environments) |
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| 22:12.57 | jaami | quite possible because i was not thinking that tracker was system folder |
| 22:12.58 | jmcnaught | jaami: if you have a list of what you deleted then you may be able to get the packages that own those files reinstalled to fix things, then disable tracker a less destructive way. |
| 22:13.28 | n4dir | isn't there an argument for apt* to also reinstall files when going for --reinstall ? |
| 22:13.41 | sney | !confmiss |
| 22:13.41 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 22:13.57 | sney | not all files are considered conffiles though. |
| 22:14.58 | jmcnaught | It's more than just conffiles if parts of /usr were deleted. |
| 22:15.00 | jaami | i was sure careless with confidence that nothing will happen to debian if tracker or evoution are removed |
| 22:15.35 | jaami | evolution** |
| 22:17.02 | n4dir | but you could remove the whole shebang (say gnome) and reinstall it and that would add *all* files again, no? |
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| 22:17.50 | jaami | hmm, Yes, that should work |
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| 22:18.26 | jmcnaught | Assuming that only GNOME related files were deleted that might work. I can't think of a way to automatically get a list of packages that are missing files. Maybe debsums would help? |
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| 22:19.47 | jaami | i am thinking that reinstall is the best way to go and then timeshift do it easy way if something goes wrong |
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| 22:20.03 | n4dir | probably thats what i would do too |
| 22:20.36 | jmcnaught | Reinstalling is probably faster and easier than repairing that kind of damage, as long as you have your data backed up. |
| 22:21.15 | jaami | just one thing to make sure. does timeshift do its job very well |
| 22:21.28 | jaami | never used it before |
| 22:22.33 | jmcnaught | I've never used it either. If you have another computer you can test with, it would be worth checking that restoration works before you reinstall or delete anything else. |
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| 22:23.26 | jaami | great, i will make my usb ready before deleting some folders. then i will see how timeshift does its job |
| 22:24.05 | n4dir | + |
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| 22:24.30 | jaami | its always nice to be here in debian |
| 22:24.30 | n4dir | rsync is a good backup tool with many people know in and out. imho. |
| 22:24.49 | jaami | oh ok, i try that as well |
| 22:25.05 | n4dir | the arch wiki has a nice tutorial, if i recall correct |
| 22:25.22 | jaami | i can check |
| 22:26.11 | n4dir | last time i checked quite some gui backup solutions used rsync under the hood. but i might be wrong. don't take my word for it |
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| 22:27.36 | annadane | rsync has a bunch of frontends but it's good to know the actual syntax of barebones rsync |
| 22:27.50 | annadane | also, because CLI people are cooler than non CLI people |
| 22:28.02 | n4dir | ha ha. exactly |
| 22:28.39 | n4dir | chuck norris trembles in fear, as soon you open the cli |
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| 22:37.15 | jaami | is there some debian system always available to rsync my local one? |
| 22:37.57 | abrotman | you mean a free server? |
| 22:38.08 | jaami | free yes, |
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| 22:39.28 | abrotman | Nothing the Debian project provies |
| 22:39.30 | abrotman | provides |
| 22:40.18 | jaami | does anyone have one? and let me rsync? |
| 22:40.47 | sney | just back your stuff up to a usb drive or something if you don't have a second machine. |
| 22:41.08 | jaami | sney, that is best advise |
| 22:41.08 | sney | rsyncing your private files to some rando server on the internet is not a good idea, for multiple reasons |
| 22:41.16 | n4dir | might be i misunderstand, but while you can use rsync to remotely kinda copy files, you can also use it locally, just like cp |
| 22:41.26 | sney | yep you absolutely can |
| 22:42.01 | n4dir | if you backup the system, it is recommended to do it from a live CD, not the running system. I do the latter, and didn't have any problems. But pretty much anyone recommends against it (and for the live CD) |
| 22:42.25 | joshh | just buy some cloud storage or rent a cheap vps if you don't need a lot of space |
| 22:42.38 | sney | that's true, unless you're only backing up /home in which case it doesn't matter if you do it from the running system |
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| 22:46.05 | jaami | correct local cp is much faster. still something available anytime everywhere and free is like a bee hive |
| 22:47.01 | annadane | i haven't heard of people doing full backups with just cp, they tend to use rsync or some of the widely known backup tools like borg or whatever |
| 22:47.46 | jaami | yes, rsync i mean. sorry |
| 22:48.32 | annadane | oh it wasn't necessarily in reply to you, general statement |
| 22:48.46 | n4dir | if you search for "free unix accounts" or such, you get some, but i doubt you can store that much data there. |
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| 22:50.22 | tharkun | jaami: For what I understand, you need to back up your /home directory and you /etc/ directory unless you have an offtree branch that holds aditional information. Usually that can be stored in a few USB dongles. No need to backup the rest of the system. |
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| 22:52.41 | jaami | tharkun, reinstall will not take much time if wifi drivers go easy because i dont keep my personal files in /home |
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| 22:53.11 | IAEON | Irssi: warning Could not verify TLS servers certificate: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 22:53.21 | jaami | i am going to try some gui for rsync real quick and see how it works. |
| 22:53.44 | IAEON | freenodes x3 |
| 22:54.42 | IAEON | copy and past the text string? |
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| 23:00.27 | IAEON | not working |
| 23:00.34 | IAEON | crt or pem |
| 23:00.44 | IAEON | 0 added |
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| 23:04.10 | petn-randall | IAEON: What are you trying to do? |
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| 23:06.30 | IAEON | connect here from irssi |
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| 23:08.06 | petn-randall | IAEON: IME you can't verify the cert for freenode, as it's locally signed. |
| 23:08.48 | jess | freenode's cert isn't locally signed |
| 23:09.44 | petn-randall | IAEON: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat |
| 23:10.00 | petn-randall | Right, it's not locally signed, you just need to use the correct URI. |
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| 23:35.17 | IAEON | it is freenode.net |
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| 23:37.25 | yazgi | IAEON: what are you doing |
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| 23:58.56 | petn-randall | IAEON: The link says you should be using chat.freenode.net. |
