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| 00:09.02 | IAEON | well it doesn't work like that |
| 00:09.23 | kristijonas | Laptop froze, after reboot: [failed] to start File System Check /dev/mapper/kristijonas--vg-home |
| 00:09.32 | IAEON | the address is mapped |
| 00:09.56 | IAEON | but still gets rejected based on dns query |
| 00:10.21 | IAEON | if it is mapped there shouldnt be a dns query |
| 00:10.45 | kristijonas | and: you are in emergency mode, after loggin in tyle journalxtl -xb to view. Cannot open access to console, the root account locked |
| 00:10.50 | IAEON | that is like having a hostfile |
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| 00:11.10 | IAEON | so I have a resource |
| 00:11.22 | IAEON | freenode chatter network |
| 00:11.32 | kristijonas | Am I screwed? |
| 00:11.38 | IAEON | then what Walterus |
| 00:11.54 | jess | can freenode see what i do on my computer |
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| 00:11.58 | IAEON | one hist in a digital ocean |
| 00:12.02 | abrotman | jess: ask #freenode |
| 00:12.07 | IAEON | host |
| 00:12.26 | jess | abrotman: IAEON was shitting up #fn too btw |
| 00:12.35 | IAEON | one chatternetwork in a ipv6 digital ocean |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | okay? |
| 00:12.36 | jess | maybe not worth your effort |
| 00:12.52 | IAEON | the revenent |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | IAEON: how is this related to Debian? |
| 00:13.20 | IAEON | got maulled by a bear |
| 00:13.52 | IAEON | running irssi in debian |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | there are instructions at freenode.net, if they don't work, talk to #freenode |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | They work for thousands of other folks using irssi on Debian |
| 00:14.53 | IAEON | nothing but chatter drones |
| 00:15.10 | abrotman | speaking of ... |
| 00:15.19 | IAEON | some trained to kill |
| 00:15.42 | IAEON | accept the chatters opinions or die |
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| 00:15.59 | joepublic | in my opinion, you would be great at training a mindless chatbot. for example. |
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| 00:16.06 | IAEON | murder machine |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | IAEON: please keep it ontopic, this channel is for Debian support |
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| 00:16.21 | petn-randall | IAEON: Are you ok? |
| 00:16.27 | IAEON | what is the price of gasoline |
| 00:16.33 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:16.43 | petn-randall | IAEON: Please stay ontopic. |
| 00:16.53 | IAEON | what do we weigh it out in blood |
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| 00:17.05 | abrotman | IAEON: take a timeout, when it expires, stay ontopic |
| 00:17.58 | petn-randall | IAEON: For your TLs verification problem the answer is in the link I gave you. |
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| 01:20.25 | L1Cafe | Is paste.debian.net open source? Is it easy to self host? |
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| 01:25.28 | dnull | L1Cafe: https://github.com/formorer/paste.pl |
| 01:25.31 | jmcnaught | L1Cafe: git repo listed here: https://paste.debian.net/paste.pl?show_template=about |
| 01:26.07 | L1Cafe | I didnât notice it. Thanks jmcnaught dnul |
| 01:26.13 | L1Cafe | dnull* |
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| 01:26.50 | jmcnaught | L1Cafe: I know there's also a couple pastebins packaged in debian, flite (termbin) and pnopaste but I have not tried them myself. |
| 01:27.06 | jmcnaught | L1Cafe: sorry fiche not flite |
| 01:27.24 | L1Cafe | Language support is massive. I love it. |
| 01:27.38 | dnull | There's also stuff like https://github.com/usamaejaz/nginx-pastebin |
| 01:27.45 | L1Cafe | I use PrivateBin rn because of clientside crypto but it could be better |
| 01:28.09 | L1Cafe | Lol dnull thatâs juicy |
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| 01:28.38 | L1Cafe | Is that whatâs known as uwsgi? |
| 01:30.09 | L1Cafe | Iâm not sure how that is written, Iâm not familiar with serverside web tech |
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| 01:37.46 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 02:01.58 | bitByter | I installed the following emacs in error . . . (GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) of 2020-03-26, modified by Debian) the terminal will run it, but it has not installed into in my case (ubuntu software). I am wanting to completely remove-purge all files from diverse places, with a clean uninstall. Otherwise I will be left with junk that may adversely effect new install of emacs?? |
| 02:03.21 | bitByter | any suggestions to cleanly get rid of this app |
| 02:03.51 | sney | did you say you're using ubuntu? your question is a little unclear what the problem is, also |
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| 02:05.35 | bitByter | sney, yes but the emacs is a debian offering. and ubuntu is a debian heist |
| 02:05.59 | sney | !ubuntu |
| 02:06.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 02:06.09 | sney | this isn't hard, you're even already on the right network |
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| 02:11.25 | bitByter | sney, you never know who will be helpful, someone may have said: "I have that version of emacs etc" kind of like visiting a FPR forum if you own a ford. I thought the "emacs" part was on topic as it is a debian build. |
| 02:12.34 | sney | well, now you know for the future. |
| 02:12.41 | bitByter | I was expecting the regular emacs and got this contraption |
| 02:13.09 | sney | lots of derivative distros use debian packages and we don't support those either. also, all ubuntu packages are built on ubuntu buildds, so there is no "debian build" anywhere on your system. (they have a separate patch structure.) |
| 02:13.37 | bitByter | I was not paying attention during the apt process |
| 02:13.47 | kristijonas | : Laptop froze, after reboot: [failed] to start File System Check /dev/mapper/kristijonas--vg-home |
| 02:14.06 | kristijonas | and: you are in emergency mode, after loggin in tyle journalxtl -xb to view. Cannot open access to console, the root account locked |
| 02:14.42 | bitByter | sney, I do now know |
| 02:16.28 | sney | kristijonas: if it does that every time you reboot, boot from a liveusb and try to recover the LV from there. (there are steps online, I don't remember them) the GRML live iso is a good one for disk recovery. |
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| 02:37.45 | bitByter | sney, do you know the story about desmond dos the US war hero? They held up the start of a major offensive by one day, because dos wanted to go to church on saturday? |
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| 02:54.23 | warsoul | hi |
| 02:54.30 | warsoul | im trying to change wallpaper background |
| 02:54.42 | warsoul | but when i set a image is not looking good |
| 02:56.41 | karlpinc | warsoul: You should know by now, we need details. What desktop, what are you doing to change the background, what does "not looking good" mean? |
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| 02:57.03 | warsoul | xfce |
| 02:57.17 | warsoul | image is not looking HD |
| 02:57.22 | warsoul | is looking blurry |
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| 02:59.43 | annadane | have you tried trial and error? |
| 02:59.51 | annadane | there's no one catch-all solution |
| 03:00.08 | annadane | you can zoom an image, have it centered, stretched, etc |
| 03:00.46 | annadane | or otherwise, use imagemagick to edit the image size |
| 03:00.50 | annadane | and see if that's better |
| 03:02.52 | annadane | or embrace the blur, maaaan. it's like, abstract art, 'n stuff. |
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| 03:11.11 | plt | Is there any way to stop the users from using more /etc/password but allow sendmail to be able to use the file? |
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| 03:19.38 | CrazyTux | is systemd better and more secure than sysvinit? |
| 03:19.44 | karlpinc | plt: Usually it's done the other way around. You setup a separate authentication database with ldap or something and use that for imap access. (? Sendmail does not use the system passwords.) |
| 03:19.46 | dvs | uh oh |
| 03:20.07 | karlpinc | !better |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:21.48 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, which one is generally more secure? |
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| 03:25.27 | karlpinc | CrazyTux: Depends. If I had to I'd say that systemd's complexity makes it less secure. Others might have a different opinion because system includes features that make it "simpler" to add security features. |
| 03:25.52 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, ok |
| 03:26.08 | karlpinc | CrazyTux: The long and the short of it is that, unless you're building your own distro, systemd is the future and we're all stuck with it. |
| 03:26.19 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, can we hibernate a distro if it uses sysvinit? |
| 03:26.57 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, I think this feature to hibernate the system works only if the distro uses systemd. |
| 03:27.01 | karlpinc | CrazyTux: Hibernate? You can install debian without systemd and with sysv's init if you want. |
| 03:27.30 | karlpinc | You mean hibernate as in on-a-laptop? |
| 03:27.40 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, yes. There are Debian based distros without systemd also. |
| 03:27.49 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, yes. |
| 03:28.11 | karlpinc | I don't know. I'm sure it's possible.... |
| 03:28.41 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, ok |
| 03:28.51 | annadane | protip: if you don't know whether you should hate systemd or not, don't until you've thoroughly read the evidence |
| 03:28.58 | annadane | that goes for most things, really |
| 03:29.16 | plt | How can you use usermode to change the users executable directory? |
| 03:29.19 | CrazyTux | I don't hate it or anything. I just wanted to know. |
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| 03:29.45 | plt | I am not sure if usermode -s will work? |
| 03:30.56 | plt | What chmod to you recommend to prevent the users from reading the /etc/passwd file? |
| 03:31.26 | karlpinc | plt: Don't do that. It's sure to break something. What do you really want to accomplish. |
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| 03:32.08 | plt | Trying to protect the /etc/passwd file so the users can not read it because they do not have a need to know. |
| 03:32.52 | karlpinc | plt: Then give each user their own lxc container. |
| 03:33.13 | karlpinc | plt: Or VM or something. |
| 03:33.27 | plt | How do you do that? |
| 03:33.44 | plt | lsc coontainer |
| 03:33.55 | plt | lsc container? |
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| 03:34.44 | plt | Do you mean make their own passwd located in their home directory? |
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| 03:37.30 | plt | I will be back in a few hours. |
| 03:37.40 | dvs | blocks the door |
| 03:37.46 | annadane | barricades the door |
| 03:38.55 | karlpinc | !lxc |
| 03:38.56 | dpkg | Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system using kernel-level isolation. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
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| 03:42.14 | plt | Those two links does not help since I am not debian under vm. |
| 03:42.46 | plt | I will be back later on. |
| 03:42.56 | karlpinc | plt: Those links are about running VMs under debian. |
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| 03:48.12 | brachamh | not sure why plt would be worried about users reading the passwd file...it doesn't show passwords, and a non sudo user can't do anything with it, right? |
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| 03:49.51 | brachamh | and i don't know all that much yet, but it makes sense to give each user their own container. Then all they can see is what affects them. |
| 03:50.25 | brachamh | karlpinc, is that what you were getting at? |
| 03:50.29 | karlpinc | brachamh: Right. Password (hashes) are in /etc/shadow. |
| 03:51.04 | brachamh | karlpinc, and that file is not readable by regular users |
| 03:51.41 | brachamh | just checked myself |
| 03:51.50 | karlpinc | brachamh: Yes. If you're so paranoid that standard Unix permissions are a problem for you, give each user their own (virtual) machine. |
| 03:52.21 | karlpinc | (or go design your own OS) |
| 03:52.25 | brachamh | lol |
| 03:52.53 | brachamh | actually, could you not set permissions to passwd the same as shadow? |
| 03:55.55 | brachamh | the only difference is that passwd is readable by everyone. now there's probably a reason for that that i don't know, but that is now my question |
| 03:56.30 | brachamh | karlpinc, do you know the reason? |
| 03:57.42 | brachamh | my bad, shadow is owned by root:shadow, and passwd is root:root |
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| 04:00.44 | karlpinc | brachamh: Not really. It probably dates back to the origins of Unix where the "finger" command would tell you about other people, like their office phone number so you could contact them. Since then, Unix has relied on having that information available so who knows what programs need access. |
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| 04:03.48 | brachamh | karlpinc, fair enough. so passwd is basically the system's addressbook of all users |
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| 04:06.23 | karlpinc | Yeah. Plus all daemons, although separate users for each daemon subsystem came much later. |
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| 04:07.41 | brachamh | i just installed finger to check it out lol |
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| 04:14.58 | strk | can I ask `apt-get update` to only update for a given source ? |
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| 04:31.42 | brachamh | strk, is it a single package you're looking to update, or multiple packages from a single source? |
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| 04:35.46 | brachamh | strk, i found this with a quick google search: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-upgrade-update-single-package-using-apt-get/ |
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| 04:47.19 | plt | How can I setup chroot jail. This seems to conver only ftps https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/set-linux-chroot-jails |
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| 04:53.55 | tyzef_ | hi guys! how? today i am with an acer aspire a315-56... trying to install Debian... the thing is debian install do not detect |
| 04:54.20 | tyzef_ | sorry it's not finished |
| 04:54.55 | plt | Can you use Match Groups users in the sshd conf? |
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| 04:58.18 | tyzef_ | hi guys! how? today i am with an acer aspire a315-56... trying to install Debian... the thing is "debian install" do not detect the HDD... Puppylinux run on USB-LIVE but the same do not detect HDD... however bios detect HDD as UEFI... and not of them detect newly added 4gioRAM... on the web, people give down and install Windows what is not an option for me. I want my Debian. |
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| 04:59.49 | tyzef_ | I have desableled SATA raid for Ahci something like that but noway |
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| 05:02.01 | tyzef_ | i believe or to set the bios, or to update the bios |
| 05:02.28 | plt | Strap them the users to the electric chair if they do not be nice. |
| 05:03.05 | aypea[0] | has anyone successfully used dpkg-preconfigure or dpkg-reconfigure to automate locales install (ie so it doesn't bother bringing up prompts to ask which locale to use)? |
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| 05:05.24 | plt | This is not working Match Group users ChrootDirectory /home AllowTCPForwarding no X11Forwarding no |
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| 05:06.52 | tyzef_ | here we have a give up : https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312896 |
| 05:07.05 | plt | Good night everyone, |
| 05:07.24 | tyzef_ | plt good morning ! |
| 05:07.42 | tyzef_ | this one got it but I can't get the same : http://tomics.net/articles/A315-54/ |
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| 05:18.09 | brachamh | tyzef_, did the computer come with windows? |
| 05:19.02 | brachamh | oh just scrolled down and it comes with Linpus Linux...? |
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| 05:20.08 | tyzef_ | brachamh sadly no, it only come with that sreen at the start similar to that : https://us.v-cdn.net/6029997/uploads/editor/vv/bxtsed9k2imv.jpg |
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| 05:21.40 | brachamh | tyzef_, did you get it brand new? |
| 05:23.37 | tyzef_ | brachamh yes, new, opened the box last night |
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| 05:28.11 | brachamh | tyzef_, does it have some sort of safe boot or something in the bios settings? |
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| 05:30.27 | tyzef_ | brachamh yes it is there |
| 05:30.36 | brachamh | tyzef_, is it disabled? |
| 05:31.07 | tyzef_ | yes brachamh, otherwise safeboot put a lock on the screen |
| 05:31.38 | brachamh | ok. i don't know much about this, just trying what i can think |
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| 05:32.07 | budlight | disable secure boot |
| 05:32.16 | tyzef_ | brachamh thankyou anyway, I apreciate your help |
| 05:34.20 | tyzef_ | ok I bring that laptop on my desk and operate on it, I can send screenshots as well |
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| 05:39.04 | brachamh | ok yes i was wrong on the term...shows how much i use new computers! it's secure boot. |
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| 05:40.54 | brachamh | tyzef_, if that's what you already disabled, that's good. the HDD is a solid state, right? |
| 05:42.06 | strk | brachamh: I meant update the _cache_ from a single source |
| 05:42.35 | strk | not update of a package (ugprade) |
| 05:42.59 | tyzef_ | i tooks the screens, i upload it and send it |
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| 05:43.51 | brachamh | strk, does this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/65245/apt-get-update-only-for-a-specific-repository |
| 05:44.23 | brachamh | it's ubuntu, but from what i understand it should work, if that's what you're looking for |
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| 05:56.52 | tyzef_ | <<001>> https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592290584.jpg <<002>> https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592290679.jpg <<003>> https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592290786.jpg |
| 05:56.54 | tyzef_ | <<004>> https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592290885.jpg <<005>> https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592290940.jpg <<006>> https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592291036.jpg |
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| 05:58.11 | strk | thanks brachamh , yes it helps, thanks |
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| 06:02.54 | tyzef_ | brachamh what do you mean by solid HDD? |
| 06:08.00 | tyzef_ | budlight would you like to look at my bios screens to check if all is ok? |
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| 06:22.32 | tyzef_ | otherwise without entering into the boot, it come like this : https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1592292677.jpg |
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| 06:35.34 | tyzef | yop/ |
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| 07:11.53 | vlt | Hello. From `rsync --chmod=666 file_a file_b` I expected to get a file_b with persmissions 666 but got 644. Any idea why? |
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| 07:19.18 | nkuttler | vlt: man rsync suggests you're not using --chmod correctly |
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| 07:27.41 | vlt | nkuttler: Iâll check. Thanks. |
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| 07:49.57 | shtrb | What is the goal of gmenudbusmenuproxy in plasma ? (is this process have any use at all for plasma only installation ) |
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| 07:54.15 | annadane | bless you |
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| 07:55.33 | shtrb | annadane, was that for me ? |
| 07:55.53 | annadane | yes :P |
| 07:56.00 | annadane | just being silly |
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| 07:56.26 | shtrb | lol , thanks |
| 07:57.28 | shtrb | If you look at that you could have thought it could be some word in German , but it's just a service name in plasma |
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| 08:09.58 | Heradon | Hello guys, i have a question. I need Debian 10 i686. But my PC had UEFI x64. Is it possible to install it on this pc? |
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| 08:14.59 | themill | UEFI and i386 don't go that nicely together in a lot of situations. Any reason you really want a 32 bit install? |
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| 08:17.04 | themill | If the i386 installer boots then it should work out fine.... |
| 08:17.18 | Heradon | we had a lot of software they need x86 libs (PASU) x64 need a ton of modifications to run these software |
| 08:17.36 | Heradon | the i386 CD does not run |
| 08:18.40 | towo^work | and that PC does not have csm? |
| 08:18.41 | Heradon | i can modify a CD this is not the problem, but i dont know which modifcations i must do |
| 08:18.48 | Heradon | no CSM :'( |
| 08:19.23 | themill | there's a mixed mode cd that has both 32 and 64 UEFI and that exists to let you boot amd64 off a 32bit UEFI... it *might* be able to do the opposite too... .https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 08:20.06 | Heradon | oh crap i forgot these image -.- |
| 08:20.11 | Heradon | thank you themill |
| 08:20.20 | themill | good luck with that... you might need it |
| 08:20.42 | Heradon | trust me, with my luck the pc is beginning burning :D |
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| 08:25.42 | shtrb | themill , wouldn't multiarch solve the issue if one just add i386 on amd64 or vise versa ? |
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| 08:30.37 | themill | shtrb: not if you can't even start the installer |
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| 08:33.20 | themill | (I'm assuming Heradon has already checked that the 32bit software doesn't run on amd64) |
| 08:33.45 | Heradon | themill the software runs under x64 but with many manual installed libs for x32 |
| 08:33.53 | Heradon | up to 150 libs |
| 08:34.26 | Heradon | and the kernel we have here is x86 (with RT patches) |
| 08:34.56 | NetTerminalGene | my debian 10 closed the session (logged off) by itself last night. how can i know why it did that? |
| 08:36.45 | Heradon | another way i think is debian x64 livecd with debootstrap for x86? |
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| 09:30.54 | poro | Is it normal that even though I have disabled password authentication on my Debian server if I try to ssh with any user (even made up ones) it asks for a password but whatever I put in is rejected |
| 09:31.04 | poro | I thought it wouldnt even try to ask for a password |
| 09:31.21 | poro | I set AllowPasswordAuthentication or something like that to no |
| 09:31.33 | dff | hi all, i have debian installed on an encrypted LVM, how would i set up sleep to encrypted the volume on sleep and purge the key from ram? |
| 09:32.08 | dff | poro: did you reload sshd after you made the changes to the config file? |
| 09:32.15 | poro | yea |
| 09:33.17 | dff | i dont remember, it might be like that. does it close the connection with the message authentication methods allowed pubkey |
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| 09:33.21 | dff | or something |
| 09:33.43 | poro | I gotta wait a few minutes and check again, fail2ban banned me haha |
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| 10:18.24 | jjakob | does gstreamer not include fdkaacdec ? I installed all plugins base, good, bad, ugly, and still no fdkaacdec |
| 10:19.18 | jjakob | gstreamer1.0 on buster |
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| 10:40.45 | NetTerminalGene | jjakob, is it something non-free software? |
| 10:40.59 | NetTerminalGene | if so, default debian wouldn't include |
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| 11:03.04 | shtrb | Can anyone give me a hand , my ssd write speeds are only 191 MB/s (sata 2?) while the reads are acceptable (442MB/s) . http://paste.debian.net/1152319/ http://paste.debian.net/1152318/ |
| 11:03.47 | shtrb | Is that a hardware issue or some debian config I had missed ? (debian buster) |
| 11:05.09 | jjakob | NetTerminalGene: no, it should be in gstreamer-plugins-bad or ugly, on ubuntu it is, but on debian it isn't |
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| 11:06.25 | jjakob | shtrb: maybe your ssd model is just slow in writing |
| 11:06.49 | jjakob | new 3d or mlc nand are slower |
| 11:07.01 | jjakob | depending on which model you have |
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| 11:07.58 | shtrb | You are telling me that 192 can be normal writing speed ? (I think it should be sata 3 drive ) |
| 11:08.16 | jjakob | yes, depends on the ssd model, again |
| 11:08.48 | jjakob | look at the bencarks for your exact asd |
| 11:08.52 | jjakob | * ssd |
| 11:08.52 | shtrb | bummer , thanks ! I hoped it was some config issue |
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| 11:09.31 | jjakob | it can be an issue if you don't have discard turned on on the fs |
| 11:11.47 | shtrb | https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/a400-solid-state-drive , up to 450 MB/s write speed my *** %@#%@ , thanks jjakob |
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| 11:12.28 | jjakob | shtrb: install util-linux and fstrim -v -A |
| 11:12.58 | jjakob | make sure your fs on the ssd have mount option discard in fstab |
| 11:14.10 | shtrb | going to read about fstrim |
| 11:14.10 | shtrb | thanks |
| 11:14.17 | jjakob | shtrb: lookup the exact model of the ssd on userbenchmark |
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| 11:25.06 | kreyren | What is the onion url for debian repo? the https://onion.debian.org/ is down for me |
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| 11:26.51 | kreyren | meeh |
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| 11:32.34 | andi_ | hello a quick question regarding debian 10 and ZFS. would this be a viable choice or should i switch to some other FS like XFS? |
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| 11:35.39 | jjakob | andi_: I know proxmox uses zfs in debian but iirc they have a custom kernel |
| 11:35.57 | jjakob | not sure about vanilla debian |
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| 11:37.30 | andi_ | would you consider ZFS in debian for production? |
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| 11:40.43 | jjakob | yeah proxmox makes it work in production but I have no idea what they do to make it work |
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| 11:51.45 | quadrathoch2 | andi_ do you want to have debian on zfs root or a pool? |
| 11:51.59 | quadrathoch2 | jjakob they use the ubuntu kernel |
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| 11:52.48 | andi_ | quadrathoch2: i want to use it as root, so everything within / is capable of snapshotting etc |
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| 11:53.05 | quadrathoch2 | andi_ I would rather go with ubuntu then |
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| 11:53.37 | andi_ | due to less pain with the install? |
| 11:54.07 | quadrathoch2 | yes, and it's a supported 'format' so if you have issues, you can always get help from users or even canonical (at their prices) |
| 11:54.30 | quadrathoch2 | and because of zsys honestly |
| 11:54.46 | quadrathoch2 | it does snapshotting automatically with apt etc |
| 11:55.04 | andi_ | yeah zsys was looking really really interesting |
| 11:55.33 | quadrathoch2 | andi_ sadly they are stuck at 0.8.3 in 20.04 :/ |
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| 11:56.59 | andi_ | alright, thanks for the infos :) then i'll probably look into ubuntu |
| 11:57.37 | quadrathoch2 | yw andi_ :) |
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| 12:25.58 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, how to add a temporary library path, for instance if i have my libraries in /opt/lib, when i run the program it must look for the libraries in /opt/lib too alonside with /usr/lib. I've tried export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/lib and echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH is showing /opt/lib as present but the program still complains that it cannot find the library. |
| 12:26.18 | jjakob | sourcing gst-plugins-bad1.0 and grepping through for fdk_aac it's undefined in config.g.in so it seems like debian intentionally doesn't build it |
| 12:26.35 | jjakob | s/.g.in/.h.in/ |
| 12:26.57 | jjakob | now I need to try compiling it myself with it enabled, gah |
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| 12:27.57 | jjakob | diogenes_: what does ldd yourbin say? |
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| 12:30.15 | diogenes_ | jjakob, i'm gonna try a few things i'll check it out, thanks for suggestion. |
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| 12:46.27 | diogenes_ | Another question, i've installed Debian on UEFI system so naturally it installed grub-efi-amd64, now i need to install grub-pc but it wants to remove grub-efi-amd64, on a different distro i can have both, legacy and efi grub with no problems, here is the output: https://paste.debian.net/1152335/ |
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| 13:33.24 | sgo11 | hi, I would like setting debian as a gateway with one NIC card. It's just a gateway and no need to provide dhcpd feature etc.. Are there any tutorial about this? Thanks. |
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| 13:36.48 | derpadmin | perhaps make an alias interface with a different ip? |
| 13:36.55 | derpadmin | not sure how to do it frankly |
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| 13:39.39 | sgo11 | derpadmin: no need a different IP. I just don't know how to do it in debian. It's pretty easy on openwrt system. Just one IP is required. Inbounds and Outbounds will only use one LAN IP/Port. It's a gateway, not a main router. |
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| 13:40.21 | derpadmin | ok, so I guess the gateway will have 2 routes |
| 13:40.35 | derpadmin | let's say LAN 192.168.0.1/24 |
| 13:40.45 | derpadmin | and DEFAULT 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 13:41.04 | derpadmin | with IP forwarding on |
| 13:41.13 | derpadmin | I think it could work |
| 13:42.05 | derpadmin | I did something similar on an openbsd box for a vpn |
| 13:42.12 | derpadmin | can't recall |
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| 13:43.00 | sgo11 | derpadmin: I never use debian as a gateway or router before. Do you mean turning on ip forwarding in /etc/sysctl.conf will be enough? I only use openwrt for this purpose before. and yeah, I am trying to configure VPN on the gateway. |
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| 13:43.41 | derpadmin | sysctl.conf, yes |
| 13:43.57 | sgo11 | derpadmin: what else do I need to do? iptables rule? |
| 13:44.02 | derpadmin | start with that and tcpdump your pings |
| 13:44.28 | derpadmin | perhaps a FORWARD rule |
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| 13:44.36 | derpadmin | allow all |
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| 13:44.40 | derpadmin | not sure |
| 13:44.48 | derpadmin | I added nics :) |
| 13:45.42 | sgo11 | I only have one NIC and don't bother add new nic. :) I am doing this sucessfully in openwrt. Very easy. Just configure the LAN as a client of main router. That's all. |
| 13:46.09 | derpadmin | should'nt be too hard... |
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| 13:49.23 | sgo11 | What I want to achieve like this (to make things clear): Client get dhcp IP from main router and set gateway IP to be debian 10's IP. debian 10 will use the same subnet IP from the main router and set gateway IP to be main router's IP. So in the end, the packets flow is like clients --> main router --> debian 10 gateway --> main router --> Internet. |
| 13:50.08 | ChrisH | sgo11: That's my setup and for me net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 was sufficient. |
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| 13:52.55 | sgo11 | ChrisH: thanks a lot. I never knew it's so easy like this. ^_^ |
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| 13:54.10 | ChrisH | sgo11: main router needs to knbow the VPN IPs/Routing |
| 13:55.03 | sgo11 | ChrisH: This can be done in debian OS, right? |
| 13:55.22 | shtrb | Anyone here work with KRDC or rdesktop with an updated buster and can tell me if they can connect to Windows 10 machines ? |
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| 13:56.18 | shtrb | It used to work perfectly , but now there is some very strange issue where the keyboard press is gone and not seen in windows nor on debian . |
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| 14:03.21 | ChrisH | sgo11: no. on the main router. Assuming your VPN terminates on Debian. |
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| 14:08.25 | sgo11 | ChrisH: sorry, I don't get "what VPN terminates on Debian" means. I have this setup in an openwrt device. I did all VPN stuff in that openwrt gateway. The main router does not need to do any special configuration at all. Clients need that VPN on gateway to connect to Internet. |
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| 14:09.56 | bebeone1 | hi there, i was faced this error 'there was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM' when trying to install 'debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso'. I remounted the usb drive but that didnt seem to work, is there any way i can fix this problem? |
| 14:10.04 | ChrisH | sgo11: Then my understanding was incorrect. |
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| 14:11.31 | sgo11 | ChrisH: I think you can forget about the VPN part. I am familiar with VPN setup with iptables rules. That is not hard for me at all. The only thing is I never use debian as a gateway. I don't know how to turn debian to be a gateway. In openwrt, it's a gateway by default. |
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| 14:12.37 | ChrisH | sgo11: ACK. In all Linux/Unix I know, gateway is deactivated by default. |
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| 14:15.06 | jelly | sgo11, you can easily set net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in eg. /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf |
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| 14:15.43 | sgo11 | ChrisH: if net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 is sufficient to make debian as a gateway, I think it will be OK to me. I thought I had to do iptables rules manually in order for debian to forward packets. I never knew debian could forward packets automatically as long as net.ipv4.ip_forward=1. |
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| 14:19.06 | sgo11 | jelly: thanks. :) yeah, ChrisH told me that. I never knew this before. |
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| 14:19.07 | jelly | you still need to set up routes and possibly NAT / masquerading in iptables, if you want that |
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| 14:19.08 | jelly | without NAT, the actual gateway will probably get confused about which device owns which local IP address |
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| 14:19.52 | sgo11 | jelly: I am just about to set it as a side-gateway. Not sure what is the proper word for side-gateway. They are all in the same subnet. For example, the main router is 192.168.1.1/24. The debian gateway is 192.168.1.2. I think I don't need NAT for this. :) |
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| 14:23.24 | bebeone1 | hi does anyone here knows how to solve the 'problem reading CD-ROM data' issue when during installation? |
| 14:23.40 | sgo11 | MAIN ROUTER: 192.168.1.1/24. DEBIAN GATEWAY: 192.168.1.2 (vpn service, dns service). CLIENT: 192.168.1.100, set dns 192.168.1.2, set gateway 192.168.1.2. |
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| 14:32.12 | jelly | sgo11, consider this: client has IP .100. Packet from client to Debian gw has src.ip 100, dst.ip 8.8.8.8, goes to mac address of debian (.2) machine. Debian forwards: forwarded packet, without NAT, has src.ip 100, dst.ip 8.8.8.8, goes to router's mac address (w/ ip .1). Two questions: 1) what does main router think who has Ip address .100? 2) based on that, where will main router send packet with src.ip 8.8.8.8, dst.ip .1 back? |
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| 14:35.57 | sgo11 | jelly: I am not an expert on these things. so do you mean I have to configure NAT rules on debian gateway? |
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| 14:36.41 | jelly | it's probably easier than doing all the other stuff so that it works as just a router without NAT |
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| 14:43.31 | sgo11 | jelly: ok. thanks. do you mean I just configure the debian as a router with all proper iptables rules. So it will work as a simple gateawy too. right? |
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| 14:43.56 | greycat | If you need it to do NAT, you must set it up to do NAT. |
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| 14:45.22 | sgo11 | greycat: thanks. I think I need to google what the NAT really is. I don't know if I need NAT here. Every devices are in the same subnet. |
| 14:46.31 | greycat | Let's say you have a home internet connection, going through a router that's provided to you. The router acts as a NAT gateway and DHCP server. It hands out 192.168.1.x addresses to internal machines, and lets them talk to the Internet even though they have non-routable 192.168.* addresses. |
| 14:46.58 | greycat | If you want to replace that router with a Debian machine, the Debian machine must perform the same functions. |
| 14:48.01 | sgo11 | greycat: sorry, maybe you didn't look at my original question. I am not replacing the router. I am just trying to configure a gateway. |
| 14:48.12 | greycat | From what to whaT? |
| 14:48.44 | sgo11 | greycat: this is the structure: MAIN ROUTER: 192.168.1.1/24. DEBIAN GATEWAY: 192.168.1.2 (vpn service, dns service). CLIENT: 192.168.1.100, set dns 192.168.1.2, set gateway 192.168.1.2. |
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| 14:49.18 | greycat | You want to have TWO competing paths from your private 192.168.1.x network to the public Internet? |
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| 14:50.15 | sgo11 | greycat: not sure what you mean by two competing paths. This setup is doable if I replace the debian gateway by an openwrt device. |
| 14:51.02 | sgo11 | I have do this to install openwrt to a x86 device with one NIC card. |
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| 14:51.24 | sgo11 | NOw, I am just wondeirng if I can do this in debian since I never use debian for this purose. |
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| 14:52.52 | sgo11 | s/I have do this/I have done this/g sorry about typo and grammar errors due to the limited of my English. :) |
| 14:53.09 | beinbliss4 | On one box i have iptables -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j DNAT --to-destination <external-box> , is it possible to make <external-box> forward traffic to internet instead of hitting INPUT chain? |
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| 14:56.09 | sgo11 | greycat: The packets flow will be: Client 192.168.1.100 --> Main Router 192.168.1.1 --> Debian Gateway 192.168.1.2 --> Main Router 192.168.1.1 --> Internet. This worked fine when I use openwrt as the gateway. |
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| 15:00.26 | greycat | sgo11: that makes even less sense than I originally thought. I thought you were trying to go client -> debian -> router -> internet, but it turns out it's *worse*? :-( |
| 15:01.31 | greycat | Whatever you did with openwrt, do those same things with Debian, and it might "work". |
| 15:02.36 | ChrisH | ICMP redirect will make ways shorter |
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| 15:03.10 | sgo11 | greycat: it makes sense. Because the debian gateway will do many encryption and decryption tasks and require a high power CPU. (I am running some kinda VPN service). Normal router CPU just can't handle this. But the x86 device only has one NIC, that's why I am configuring like this. I don't bother to add new NIC or usb NIC. |
| 15:03.47 | greycat | I can't even make sense of the request. He wants his router to bounce an outbound packet *back* to a random internal machine? Which will then send the packet *back* to the router, which will, *this* time, decide *not* to bounce it inward, but instead pass it out? |
| 15:04.11 | sgo11 | greycat: in openwrt, it's easy. Just configure the lan to use 192.168.1.2 IP and set to use gateway 192.168.1.1. That's all. |
| 15:04.17 | greycat | Then use openwrt. |
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| 15:07.44 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 15:07.53 | neilthereildeil | i am trying to run DHCPD on my server |
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| 15:07.59 | neilthereildeil | but im getting an error when starting it |
| 15:08.48 | greycat | and the error is...? |
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| 15:09.47 | neilthereildeil | its trying to listen on ALL my intefaces instead of the one i set INTERFACESv4= in the /etc/defaults file |
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| 15:10.23 | sgo11 | greycat: yeah, use openwrt might be easier because I already did it. I may try to set debian as a normal router first recommended by jelly to see if that will work. I haven't tried it yet because the device is not with me right now. thanks. |
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| 15:13.44 | neilthereildeil | greycat: No subnet declaration for eno1 (no IPv4 addresses). ** Ignoring requests on eno1. If this is not what you want, please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eno1 is attached. ** |
| 15:14.14 | neilthereildeil | en01 is an enslaved interface for my network bridge xenbrExt |
| 15:14.20 | neilthereildeil | en01* |
| 15:14.24 | neilthereildeil | eno1** |
| 15:14.35 | neilthereildeil | eno1 does not have an IP address |
| 15:15.04 | greycat | so the Debian system is *virtual*? |
| 15:15.15 | neilthereildeil | greycat: /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server has "INTERFACESv4="xenbrInt"" in it |
| 15:15.25 | neilthereildeil | no, the debian system is a physical machine with VMs running on it |
| 15:15.39 | neilthereildeil | so i wanna server up the DHCP IPs on xenbrInt |
| 15:15.50 | neilthereildeil | ONLY on that bridge. nowhere else |
| 15:16.36 | neilthereildeil | so thats why i included it as the only entry in INTERFACESv4= |
| 15:16.51 | neilthereildeil | i didnt include any other interface names because i dont want IPs to be served up on other interfaces |
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| 15:17.08 | neilthereildeil | also, when i run "dhcpc xenbrInt", it works correctly |
| 15:17.21 | neilthereildeil | but when i run it as the service, it doesnt work |
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| 15:42.25 | neilthereildeil | i added a user to the /etc/sudoers file, but the user is still not able to run commands as root |
| 15:42.57 | th0r | neilthereildeil, did you use visudo or some other editor? |
| 15:43.03 | neilthereildeil | visudo |
| 15:43.11 | neilthereildeil | but it said it was modifying sudoers.tmp |
| 15:43.17 | neilthereildeil | instead of sudoers |
| 15:43.23 | neilthereildeil | i dunno if that makes a difference? |
| 15:43.32 | greycat | on Debian, if you want full sudo-as-root access, you can just add users to the 'sudo' group |
| 15:43.32 | neilthereildeil | i added "ALL ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/xl" |
| 15:43.45 | th0r | neilthereildeil, no, that is what this one shows as well. |
| 15:43.48 | neilthereildeil | hmm i did that |
| 15:44.10 | neilthereildeil | so as a nonroot user, i tried running xl list, and got an error |
| 15:44.20 | neilthereildeil | "xl list" |
| 15:44.29 | greycat | was the error "bash: xl: command not found"? |
| 15:44.32 | neilthereildeil | no |
| 15:44.41 | neilthereildeil | it was a permission error opening the privcmd device |
| 15:44.58 | greycat | did you really type "xl list" and not "sudo xl list"? |
| 15:45.09 | neilthereildeil | yea xl list |
| 15:45.14 | skyliner_369 | is 'system monitor' canonical or debian? |
| 15:45.15 | neilthereildeil | ohh lemme try sudo xl list.... |
| 15:45.16 | greycat | so you see the problem, yes? |
| 15:45.30 | neilthereildeil | yep, that worked |
| 15:45.42 | neilthereildeil | so inside all of my scripts i had to add sudo as well? |
| 15:45.50 | neilthereildeil | if that user runs a bash script? |
| 15:46.00 | neilthereildeil | or do i just call sudo when running the script? |
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| 16:13.47 | skyliner_369 | who here knows their way around make? specifically _make -j$(nproc)_ because it seems to be having some really odd behavior |
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| 16:24.39 | petn-randall | skyliner_369: What is it doing, and what do you expect instead? |
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| 16:27.51 | skyliner_369 | basically make is suggesting fixing cpp files by putting includes next to the same already existing includes... like 2 #include <thingy> lines, and I think it's trying to suggest putting includes in the files that define what that include is? |
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| 16:29.44 | petn-randall | I have no idea what you're asking for, you're framing a question without giving any context. |
| 16:30.06 | skyliner_369 | I'm asking what I might possibly be missing |
| 16:30.17 | petn-randall | Context. |
| 16:30.28 | skyliner_369 | I'm trying to build a program. |
| 16:30.51 | petn-randall | Which program? Can you share the output of make via https://paste.debian.net? |
| 16:32.49 | greycat | Is it a makefile that *you* wrote, or that someone else wrote? |
| 16:33.27 | skyliner_369 | I'm trying to someone else. they can't seem to find the issue |
| 16:33.50 | skyliner_369 | whoops forgot to backspace >.> |
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| 16:34.14 | skyliner_369 | greycat: it's part of a buildwin64.sh |
| 16:35.05 | greycat | So you're trying to debug a problem in someone else's project, and it contains the strings "win64" (strike one) and ".sh" (strike two)? Screw that. Just use make without the -j option. |
| 16:35.20 | greycat | The time you've spent trying to debug this is already FAR greater than whatever savings you think -j was going to give. |
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| 16:36.53 | skyliner_369 | what is -j anyway? |
| 16:37.12 | greycat | ... *plonk* |
| 16:37.57 | BalooRJ | does anyone know what the default network manager gui app for XFCE is called |
| 16:37.59 | BalooRJ | if it is in a certain package |
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| 16:38.33 | skyliner_369 | so it could actually be because my PC has too many cores that it's bugging up? |
| 16:38.50 | skyliner_369 | I forgot man existed >.> |
| 16:39.00 | jmcnaught | BalooRJ: it's network-manager-gnome |
| 16:39.09 | BalooRJ | jmcnaught - Thank you! |
| 16:40.49 | skyliner_369 | https://termbin.com/t3wi here's the output on termbin by the way |
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| 16:42.50 | petn-randall | skyliner_369: Why not just download the binaries from the project? |
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| 16:48.48 | skyliner_369 | petn-randall: because you gotta build them. |
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| 16:52.19 | skyliner_369 | also without -j it fails even sooner. at 25% instead of 31% |
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| 16:53.31 | petn-randall | skyliner_369: Did you install all those packages in the installation instructions? |
| 16:55.14 | skyliner_369 | yup. I spoke to the shell script author. he told me what I needed and it still fails. I'm now waiting for him to tell me how many cores his linux machine has. doing parity might see if that fixes the issue |
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| 16:59.40 | skyliner_369 | what might a buildbot have that my PC doesn't? |
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| 17:00.17 | neilthereildeil | i have an LVM volume group thats is backed by a file rather than a disk partition. how can i make the file bigger and give more space to the VG? |
| 17:02.01 | jmcnaught | I've never heard of using files for PVs but can't you just make another file PV to add to the VG? |
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| 17:03.16 | greycat | that's what I was thinking too |
| 17:03.32 | neilthereildeil | jmcnaught: is there any magic i can do with dd to att to the end of the file, and the resize the VG to make it bigger? |
| 17:03.43 | neilthereildeil | add* |
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| 17:05.56 | jmcnaught | neilthereildeil: there's the pvresize command, but you can't use it on VG that's active. |
| 17:06.25 | jmcnaught | neilthereildeil: is there any advantage to resizing the current PV file instead of adding a second one to extend the VG? |
| 17:06.36 | petn-randall | skyliner_369: The number of cores it totally irrelevant to your problem. You need to figure out why it fails at that specific step. |
| 17:06.37 | neilthereildeil | ill have to manage 2 files |
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| 17:08.49 | neilthereildeil | hmm i think pvresize is what im looking for... |
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| 17:25.02 | skyliner_369 | he says it could be an issue with mingw? |
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| 17:41.49 | skyliner_369 | I'm gonna make a debian VM with Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) but I can't find debian's "operating system install URL" |
| 17:43.39 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: https://www.debian.org/ green link in banner |
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| 17:44.06 | skyliner_369 | Not looking for an ISO |
| 17:45.17 | skyliner_369 | or am I? |
| 17:45.33 | jmcnaught | Yes, Debian is installed from an ISO. |
| 17:45.42 | jmcnaught | Or you can debootstrap |
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| 17:46.10 | jmcnaught | Were you not using Debian before this? |
| 17:46.11 | skyliner_369 | so I gotta download the ISO anyway. sigh. Was hoping to use network install |
| 17:46.24 | skyliner_369 | I'm a bunty buddy |
| 17:46.28 | skyliner_369 | wait no |
| 17:46.38 | skyliner_369 | I'm an ubuntu user. |
| 17:46.42 | jmcnaught | !ubuntu |
| 17:46.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 17:46.54 | sney | the netinstall is a small iso, it's just the standard system and the glue to get the rest from the internet |
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| 17:48.07 | sney | "operating system install URL" is kind of a weird name for that field though, I haven't used virt-manager but it does sound like it's looking for, I dunno, a mirror url? maybe it has debootstrap built in somehow? I'd see what the manual says about that part |
| 17:48.32 | sney | jmcnaught: "go back to #ubuntu" is hardly appropriate for a user who says they want to install debian, wouldn't you say? :P |
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| 17:49.20 | skyliner_369 | would pasting the download link in this work? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wU74LEJE/image.png |
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| 17:49.40 | sney | !tias |
| 17:49.40 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 17:50.47 | jmcnaught | I meant for future reference. |
| 17:51.20 | skyliner_369 | that's a nope. Wellp. time to DL the ISO and run that manually |
| 17:51.58 | NetTerminalGene | i think gnome boxes does that auto |
| 17:52.03 | sney | skyliner_369: perhaps the virt-manager manual has a hint as to what that field is for. |
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| 17:56.16 | skyliner_369 | does debian have a default compose key? |
| 17:58.17 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: no but if you use GNOME you can set it in Tweaks pretty easily. |
| 17:58.36 | skyliner_369 | was trying to set my full name... |
| 17:59.12 | skyliner_369 | which kinda requires special characters... |
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| 18:03.20 | skyliner_369 | I want the special character to be set at the start because I don't think I can set it after creating the account |
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| 18:05.16 | sney | sure you can, usermod -c |
| 18:08.44 | skyliner_369 | that's comment |
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| 18:10.27 | sney | in 'man 5 passwd' it states 'user name or comment field' indicating they are the same as far as the system is concerned |
| 18:13.30 | zerocool | friends i need your help |
| 18:14.12 | sney | !what |
| 18:14.12 | dpkg | What package are you having trouble with? What did you do? What happened? What did you expect to happen? |
| 18:14.22 | zerocool | i have a hyperv vm, debian 10, i've tried many times to install with KDE, always comes up without GUI. i can login and startx, starts fine |
| 18:14.43 | zerocool | sddm is enabled/running |
| 18:14.57 | zerocool | when i startkde says there is no display but startx still works... |
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| 18:15.56 | sney | so you get a sddm login prompt and then it quits back to the cli? |
| 18:16.00 | zerocool | this is from a fresh install there really isn't anything out of the ordinary and it happens every time, i've tried installing with firmware/non-free iso, with standard, i don't do anything crazy, simply install like normal +KDE |
| 18:16.35 | zerocool | sney: i don't see sddm ever it just goes straight to cli |
| 18:16.42 | zerocool | like as if its a server/no-gui |
| 18:16.54 | sney | ok, so that doesn't sound like sddm is running. |
| 18:17.02 | zerocool | checked logs sddm is "fine", everything looks normal |
| 18:17.50 | zerocool | it for sure is and when i manually launch it, comes up okay just nothing actually happens on my screen. check service, running green, lines look normal nothing indicates and issue |
| 18:17.53 | zerocool | weirdest thign |
| 18:18.22 | zerocool | added hyperv-daemons thinking maybe something in there would help |
| 18:18.37 | sney | what video hardware does hyper-v emulate/advertise? |
| 18:18.46 | zerocool | hmm.. lets see |
| 18:20.47 | zerocool | well first thing i tried was lspci, nothing comes up. not sure i've ever noticed that before |
| 18:21.16 | sney | the xorg log will also have clues |
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| 18:24.35 | zerocool | i see...(II) FBDEV(0): hardware: hyperv_fb |
| 18:25.14 | sney | alright, so it's fbdev. I wonder if sddm maybe doesn't like fbdev |
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| 18:29.07 | skyliner_369 | oh dang... xdotool can't force the right key into the VM D: |
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| 18:39.36 | skyliner_369 | I guess I'm a car. |
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| 18:44.04 | dD_ | Can I install some apps on a liveusb, and upgrade it, and make the changes permanent? |
| 18:44.17 | sney | !persistent live |
| 18:44.17 | dpkg | You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 18:44.29 | sney | not by default, but with some tinkering |
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| 18:49.10 | skyliner_369 | participate in the package usage survey... mmm... nah |
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| 18:50.03 | skyliner_369 | and installing all the desktops :D |
| 18:50.41 | dD_ | sney: thanks. Is there a reason why running a live rescue USB like this would be a bad idea? |
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| 18:55.03 | skyliner_369 | which is best to use in a VM? gdm 3 lightdm or sddm? |
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| 18:56.35 | annadane | slim |
| 18:56.36 | annadane | :-D |
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| 18:56.58 | annadane | lightdm is a bit buggy so i'd consider gdm or sddm |
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| 18:57.06 | AppXprt | Anyone have some suggestions on an open source production ready backup solution for backup to a TL4000? I was looking at Amanda, but it seems the development is dead? Also looking into Duplicati? |
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| 18:58.40 | skyliner_369 | went with gdm3 |
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| 19:00.04 | kristijonas | Hello, I want to verity if my message sucessfully reaches the room. Anyone? Thanks :) |
| 19:00.17 | skyliner_369 | kristijonas |
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| 19:01.29 | annadane | kristijonas, indeed |
| 19:01.37 | kristijonas | skyliner_369, thanks! Laptop froze yestesday, after reboot: |
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| 19:02.40 | kristijonas | Failed to start file system check on /dev/mapper/kristijonas--vg-home |
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| 19:03.08 | kristijonas | And stuck on cannot open access to console, the root account is locked |
| 19:03.41 | kristijonas | Press Enter to continue. And after the enter, the same error |
| 19:04.51 | kristijonas | Can't really type any commands. But I do have live Kali Linux USB stick. |
| 19:05.30 | greycat | THIS is why you always set a root password, and don't do that "press enter without typing a password and I'll set up sudo-only root access for you" thing. |
| 19:07.42 | kristijonas | greycat, okay. Is there any way for me to debug my problem? |
| 19:07.48 | tijara | is it advisable to set a password even on systems that use sudo? |
| 19:08.38 | greycat | Boot from your Kali thing, mount the Debian root file system, set a root password, and then boot Debian again. |
| 19:09.01 | greycat | tijara: if you want to enter single-user mode |
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| 19:11.11 | kristijonas | greycat, ok, will try. So booting Kali as from live usb could work, right? To mount the /root system? |
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| 19:22.51 | kristijonas | And well... that's lvm that I am using on my Debian... |
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| 19:34.48 | kristijonas | greycat, alright, now I can log in as root.. |
| 19:35.56 | kristijonas | and journalctl -xb gives me loads of text |
| 19:36.14 | sney | !your screen |
| 19:36.14 | dpkg | Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what> |
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| 19:39.01 | kristijonas | For the the text in red, for example: |
| 19:39.04 | kristijonas | https://pasteboard.co/JdoDvk1.jpg |
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| 19:41.22 | cbthree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.26 | kristijonas | Or: https://pasteboard.co/JdoEy3w.jpg |
| 19:41.51 | sney | kristijonas: these plus what you said yesterday makes me suspect you are having a hard drive problem. |
| 19:42.17 | sney | you should probably back up your files (assuming they are accessible) asap. and run a hardware diagnostic on the disk itself. |
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| 19:43.16 | kristijonas | sney, i don't have anything to lose on this harddrive. Any command line diagnosting or smth which I could run from Kali Linux live USB? |
| 19:43.18 | sney | cbthree: find a business hardware reseller in your region and ask them, #debian doesn't have an encyclopedic record of all printer values and compatibility in all regions |
| 19:43.36 | sney | kristijonas: smartctl |
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| 19:44.39 | cbthree | All the sellers I asked know nothing about Debian GNU/Linux compatibility out of the box |
| 19:45.58 | kristijonas | Is smartctl part of smartmontools? |
| 19:47.11 | sney | kristijonas: yes |
| 19:47.23 | jmcnaught | cbthree: try https://www.openprinting.org/printers and also research any model before purchasing. For the printer part at least, if it has a standard printer language like PS, PDF, or PCL(?) then Debian can probably print to it, but look it up first. |
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| 19:47.51 | cbthree | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 19:47.55 | sney | cbthree: just "linux" compatibility is enough, even if they don't explicitly list debian |
| 19:48.36 | cbthree | sney, Debian GNU/Linux compatibility out of the box is what I am after |
| 19:49.29 | kristijonas | sney, okay, looks like i will need to try it from kali lavi since 'could not resolve the mirror. Internet does work either directly. |
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| 19:50.06 | sney | yes, and if some hardware device says they support CentOS or Ubuntu but don't list debian specifically, that device will also work on Debian. Great thing about free software is that everyone has access to the same stuff! |
| 19:50.09 | jaggz | can I get aptitude to list installed packages without the flags? |
| 19:50.33 | jaggz | I'm trying to go through some packages to find the origins of some that aren't from debian itself |
| 19:50.35 | jaggz | (nvidia stuff) |
| 19:50.48 | jaggz | and it's irritating to make the sed rules to strip the flags |
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| 19:51.40 | greycat | what aptitude command are you using now? |
| 19:51.56 | sney | you could use cut to strip the flags since it's a column display |
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| 19:52.44 | jaggz | aptitude search '~i nvidia' | sed -e 's/ - .*$//; s/^.* //' |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | If you're using an aptitude command that has 4 columns of metadata, you can strip that with cut -c5- |
| 19:52.49 | jmcnaught | aptitude -F %p search ~i |
| 19:52.53 | jaggz | sney, no it's not |
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| 19:53.36 | jaggz | i glx-alternative-nvidia... |
| 19:53.38 | jaggz | iBA libegl-nvidia0 - NV... |
| 19:54.01 | greycat | Oh for fuck's sake, it's a VARIABLE NUMBER of columns?! |
| 19:54.09 | greycat | whyyyyyy |
| 19:54.12 | jaggz | but that was an easier couple regexes I figured out.. (strip the ' - ' first made the first clean) |
| 19:54.42 | jaggz | jmcnaught, coool thank |
| 19:54.52 | jaggz | (I'll add the s in a later line so I don't spam) |
| 19:54.57 | jmcnaught | jaggz: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s05s01.en.html |
| 19:54.58 | greycat | So, use jmcnaught's answer. |
| 19:55.16 | sney | https://paste.debian.net/1152384/ *shrug* |
| 19:56.32 | sney | but jmcnaught's answer only uses aptitude instead of piping things so it's clearly better anyway |
| 19:56.54 | jaggz | i A nvidia-support - |
| 19:57.02 | jaggz | some of mine look like that too, so just -d' ' ... |
| 19:57.15 | greycat | seriously, who decided to make an output format that has a variable number of LEADING metadata columns and fields |
| 19:57.27 | BalooRJ | anyone have a recommendation for the best virtual machine software for Debian on a laptop |
| 19:57.32 | BalooRJ | I was used to using VirtualBox on Windows |
| 19:57.44 | BalooRJ | is VirtualBox as easy to use on Debian, or should I try a different alternative? |
| 19:58.27 | sney | virt-manager or gnome-boxes |
| 19:58.35 | jaggz | #nvidia is useless |
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| 19:59.40 | BalooRJ | sney - Thanks I'll take a look |
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| 20:00.03 | jaggz | aptitude flags should show a little key of what these flags are.. |
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| 20:00.54 | jaggz | "For a complete list of the possible state and action flags, see the section âAccessing Package Informationâ in the aptitude reference guide. |
| 20:00.56 | greycat | Yes, or at the very least it should also document what the flags mean in the MAN PAGE. |
| 20:00.57 | jaggz | yay |
| 20:01.22 | greycat | A man page that says "see the X reference guide" and does not tell me WHERE said reference guide IS, is very poor. |
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| 20:01.43 | jaggz | yeah I have no idea what that is |
| 20:01.44 | jaggz | heh |
| 20:02.43 | jmcnaught | jaggz: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s02s02.en.html lists what the flags mean. |
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| 20:03.07 | jaggz | jmcnaught, thanks.. lol. even my google's turned me to the wrong pages |
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| 20:04.13 | skyliner_369 | how do I add myself to the sudoers file? |
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| 20:04.33 | nkuttler | skyliner_369: become root and run visudo |
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| 20:04.52 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: it's better to add your user to the sudo group |
| 20:05.15 | skyliner_369 | right su is allowed in deb |
| 20:05.54 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: also on buster use a login shell with su so that PATH is set correctly: 'su -' or 'su -l' |
| 20:06.12 | ratrace | what jmcnaught said. sudoers file is already set up, just add yourself to the group |
| 20:06.42 | greycat | someone was setting up NOPASSWD sudo for a single command, not sure if it was this person |
| 20:07.03 | skyliner_369 | wait... usermod isn't a command? |
| 20:07.04 | greycat | ah, it wasn't. 11:43 neilthereildeil> i added "ALL ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/xl" |
| 20:07.12 | jaggz | where can I get help on nvidia non-free backports stuff? |
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| 20:07.32 | jaggz | (My wife needs me to work on a 3d model of something for her disability and I have to get my CUDA working) |
| 20:07.50 | ratrace | skyliner_369: it is, you probably didn't `su -l` correctly and don't have sbin in your PATH |
| 20:08.01 | greycat | !buster su |
| 20:08.01 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 20:08.02 | neilthereildeil | yea i got it working |
| 20:08.13 | jmcnaught | If you do need to edit sudoers, I would do "visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/foo" instead of editing the main one. |
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| 20:08.44 | ratrace | seconded, just read the README about permissions, which are important for the file to be effective |
| 20:10.13 | sney | jaggz: if you're using the nvidia driver from debian packages it's supported here. |
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| 20:11.41 | zerocool | how bad is a TCP overflow/drop? |
| 20:12.05 | sney | in what context? |
| 20:12.34 | zerocool | server with many connections has '134 times the listen queue of a socket overflowed' |
| 20:12.54 | zerocool | and '135 SYNs to LISTEN sockets dropped' |
| 20:13.22 | sney | sounds like tcp flow control is working as advertised, and the server is over capacity in some way |
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| 20:15.08 | zerocool | would this cause people not to connect to server, this is mail server btw |
| 20:15.50 | zerocool | like since server started 134 times was someone denied connection to server? |
| 20:16.22 | greycat | dropping a SYN shouldn't show a "connection refused" to the client... the client would just try again |
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| 20:17.22 | zerocool | kk ty greycat that's kind of what i would expect... the connections to the server aren't long-lasting, other than for activesync |
| 20:17.58 | zerocool | so i'd expect some to free up or become available pretty quickly |
| 20:20.46 | skyliner_369 | I added myself to the sudo group while being root... |
| 20:20.54 | skyliner_369 | and I'm still not allowed to sudo |
| 20:22.00 | jmcnaught | skyliner_369: log out and log back in for group membership to change. |
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| 20:22.41 | sney | or run 'newgrp' for the current session |
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| 20:43.09 | jaggz | sney, thanks |
| 20:44.32 | jaggz | I wonder if testing is stable enough for me to just go to that instead of stable+backports |
| 20:44.53 | nkuttler | it's not |
| 20:45.04 | sney | depends on what you're doing |
| 20:45.27 | jaggz | h |
| 20:45.32 | jaggz | bleh.. hm. |
| 20:45.32 | sney | but the nvidia-driver versions are the same in buster-backports and bullseye anyway |
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| 20:46.40 | jaggz | I was having some broken deps but maybe there was something else going on -- since I switched from trying bpo to using nvidia's repositories, then back. |
| 20:48.17 | jaggz | what do you guys install for cuda support when using debian's nvidia non-free drivers? |
| 20:48.28 | sney | "aptitude purge ~inividia" and manually double-check the /etc/modprobe.d blacklists and the initrd, then start over, is what I would do. go from regular debian with nouveau straight to nvidia from backports |
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| 20:49.00 | sney | I did that on a testing system around March and it was pretty much just installing the relevant packages. I don't remember any specific issues |
| 20:49.11 | jaggz | my only problem was a mismatch between cuda versions |
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| 21:02.53 | jaggz | I wish nvidia would support debian properly instead of whatever weird idea they had to support ubuntu |
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| 21:07.08 | wikan | can I change linux terminal font? I don't mean xterm etc, but terminal from ALT-CTR-F1 for example |
| 21:07.40 | greycat | last time I heard of anyone doing that, it was done by passing kernel parameters from the boot loader |
| 21:08.01 | wikan | it is not 80x24 so those fonts are not bios-based. My font is hard to read |
| 21:08.10 | wikan | hmmm oki |
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| 21:08.36 | wikan | dont get why this font is in kernel :| |
| 21:09.07 | greycat | The console is implemented *in* the kernel. But then there's also a "frame buffer" layer and I don't really understand that. |
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| 21:11.30 | wikan | i hope Linux has failsafe font :| |
| 21:12.23 | greycat | you can google "linux console font" and see what other people say about it, because most people here won't know |
| 21:12.31 | jaggz | wikan, you can.. |
| 21:12.49 | jaggz | (on a different note, cuda 10 is supposed to be able to go in with: apt -t buster-backports install nvidia-cuda-dev nvidia-cuda-toolkit) |
| 21:12.54 | jaggz | we'll see |
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| 21:13.41 | jaggz | wikan, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ? |
| 21:13.50 | jaggz | lmgtfy |
| 21:14.22 | jaggz | it sucks to get it wrong and not be able to read anything |
| 21:14.45 | jaggz | I had a raspberry pi on a 2.5" lcd display and it was pretty rough to make out the text when I made it too small :) |
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| 21:17.02 | wikan | and reboot? |
| 21:17.54 | wikan | ok rebooting... |
| 21:19.20 | jaggz | i don't recall |
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| 21:20.11 | jaggz | and iirc dpkg-reconfigure didn't show what the current font was.. so jumping up or down was really just guesswork.. .iirc |
| 21:20.13 | wikan | thanks. Much better :) |
| 21:20.19 | jaggz | :) |
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| 21:20.58 | jaggz | ahh, good ol' 80x25 |
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| 21:21.52 | jaggz | I fear worse when changing around my graphics drivers |
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| 22:13.26 | wikan | Led_Zeppelin: probably all can run |
| 22:13.33 | wikan | Led_Zeppelin: the only thing is port number |
| 22:14.10 | wikan | root privileges are required for ports <1000 |
| 22:14.45 | wikan | user can run every server and bind every port from 1000 up |
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| 22:17.29 | wikan | btw: does anybody know why this limit exists? |
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| 22:44.36 | mason | wikan: The notion is that Unix computers are expensive, and thus only the administrator will have administrative access, so you can trust low-numbered ports to be legitimate. |
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| 22:45.30 | mason | wikan: It becomes less meaningful when you can run a Unixlike on a $5 Raspberry Pi. |
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