| 00:00.02 | jjakob | mason: it's still valid if you keep control over your local network, not allowing anyone unauthorized in, then it's still the administrator (you) who controls the privileged ports in a network |
| 00:01.03 | jjakob | of course once you allow any host to join you can't rely on that as a security measure, and you shouldnt as good practice |
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| 00:24.09 | wikan | jjakob & mason: have read about. I guess services were limited to dedicated ports. Only then it good solution. If you can bind http on 8080 or 1234 this limit has no security reasons anymore. Am I right? |
| 00:27.00 | quadrathoch2 | wanted to try to compile a kernel in a chroot, but when I try to install the build-dep for the kernel it errors out with this here https://paste.debian.net/1152415/ is there a workaround for that? |
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| 00:28.15 | wikan | it is kernel? O.o |
| 00:28.27 | wikan | why there is TeX? |
| 00:29.04 | quadrathoch2 | the tutorial on the debian wiki tells me to apt build-dep linux ;) and it tries to install it |
| 00:29.51 | quadrathoch2 | idk, I'm just following the tutorial on the debian wiki, and when I apt build-dep linux apt tries to install it |
| 00:30.16 | wikan | out of my knowledle :) |
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| 00:30.25 | quadrathoch2 | a |
| 00:30.32 | wikan | why do you need chroot btw? |
| 00:30.59 | quadrathoch2 | just want to build up a clean environment for the build |
| 00:31.45 | sney | I bet you can use pbuilder or cowbuilder to build the kernel |
| 00:32.32 | wikan | clean env is usful if you have libs from outside of debian standard repos |
| 00:32.41 | wikan | like different libc |
| 00:32.52 | quadrathoch2 | btw I am following this here https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 00:32.52 | wikan | if you have not then you don't need chroot |
| 00:33.33 | sney | !pbuilder |
| 00:33.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targeted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian. An alternative to pbuilder is <sbuild>. |
| 00:33.34 | dijong_ | !wr ð |
| 00:33.45 | quadrathoch2 | I want to at some point, just wanted to test it out and feel into it ;) that's why I was doing it this way |
| 00:33.54 | themill | you probably don't actually want to rebuild all the kernel packages btw |
| 00:33.59 | wikan | understand |
| 00:34.04 | quadrathoch2 | thanks sney |
| 00:42.59 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. How do I find out if an obsolete package has been merged with another? I'm looking for xfce4-volumed, but it is only in jessie and sid. |
| 00:44.06 | sney | Lady_Aleena: if you look at the changelog (on tracker.debian.org) you can usually determine how/why it was removed |
| 00:44.24 | sney | ,bug rm xfce4-volumed |
| 00:44.42 | sney | oh, no bot. |
| 00:45.14 | Unit193 | Basically, use xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin instead. |
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| 00:49.42 | Lady_Aleena | Oh no! We're botless! |
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| 00:53.08 | dvs | ,wb |
| 00:53.11 | judd | waves |
| 00:53.16 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:53.21 | judd | You can stop stressing, I'm here now |
| 00:53.33 | dvs | phew |
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| 00:58.27 | themill | Lady_Aleena: xfce4-volumed is not even in unstable https://tracker.debian.org/news/726022/removed-0113-5-from-unstable/ |
| 00:58.29 | Lady_Aleena | In the dpkg -l list, what does rc mean before a program name? |
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| 00:58.47 | themill | Lady_Aleena: that's in the first 3 lines of the dpkg -l output |
| 00:58.53 | Lady_Aleena | s.program.package. |
| 00:59.12 | Lady_Aleena | themill, not when one greps. |
| 00:59.20 | themill | there is no need to grep |
| 01:00.46 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I was looking for xfce4-volumed and also forgot how to search the list with just dpkg. |
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| 01:01.13 | themill | these are also documented in dpkg-query(1) btw |
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| 01:01.47 | Lady_Aleena | So, r means remove and c means conf-files. |
| 01:03.02 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I'm an idiot for not remembering to just add the package name. |
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| 01:06.05 | Lady_Aleena | So, where is the extended explanation of what the codes mean. Does remove mean I need to remove it? Was it removed and I have stray config files laying around? |
| 01:07.28 | LtL | yes to the latter i believe |
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| 01:10.02 | themill | remove is the desired state not the actual state |
| 01:10.49 | themill | conffiles remaining is the actual state; removed but not purged |
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| 01:11.46 | Lady_Aleena | `sudo apt-get purge xfce4-volumed` to clean it up? |
| 01:12.16 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: too late, it will say it doesn't exist |
| 01:12.24 | Lady_Aleena | Blast! |
| 01:12.48 | LtL | reinstall then purge may work |
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| 01:13.24 | LtL | or clean it up manually |
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| 01:14.14 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I can't install it because it has been removed from the packages. |
| 01:15.10 | LtL | manual it is then, or trust it doesn't interfere in any way |
| 01:15.19 | jmcnaught | You can purge a package that has been removed. |
| 01:15.31 | jmcnaught | Try it with -s first to simulate if you're worried. |
| 01:16.10 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, so the command I typed in above with -s to see what it is doing? |
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| 01:16.38 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: yeah, with -s apt-get doesn't even need sudo |
| 01:16.39 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I think it may be interfering some. |
| 01:16.42 | sney | there's also 'aptitude purge ~c' which will purge all packages in that state |
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| 01:18.15 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you all very much! |
| 01:19.52 | Lady_Aleena | sney, I might use that. I have 185 "rc" packages. |
| 01:21.54 | Lady_Aleena | sney, is there a dry run for that? |
| 01:22.13 | themill | all the dry run would do is tell you that it is purging those packages |
| 01:22.17 | sney | see 'man aptitude' for answer |
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| 01:32.19 | Lady_Aleena | I hope I'm not killing my system. |
| 01:33.14 | sney | you probably aren't, but you're welcome to pastebin things to this channel before accepting if you aren't sure. |
| 01:33.46 | wikan | Lady_Aleena: https://i.imgur.com/eDTmhEf.gif |
| 01:34.58 | Lady_Aleena | sney, too late, I started it. But it ended with http://paste.debian.net/1152422/ |
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| 01:35.43 | sney | you will need to paste the whole thing if you want help with that. your paste begins after the actual error |
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| 01:36.23 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1152424/ |
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| 01:39.04 | sney | it looks like there's a botched removal of KDE that is unrelated to the purge run. 'aptitude -f install' might sort things out |
| 01:40.53 | LtL | I had two 'rc' packages, thanks for the heads up guys. |
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| 01:45.29 | Lady_Aleena | I'm a little wild-eyed at the moment, I just got a screen full of stuff. The list of what is being removed is long. |
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| 01:47.02 | Lady_Aleena | I'm going to stop it since I don't know what it is doing. |
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| 01:48.12 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1152426/ is as far as I got before quitting it. |
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| 01:50.51 | themill | Do you have some interesting pinning there or a mixture or different releases? apt was unhappy before you started this process |
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| 01:54.57 | Lady_Aleena | On this drive I did a jump from jessie to stretch to buster in about a week. I guess I should not be surprised that my system is a disaster. |
| 01:56.54 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: this box is a jessie, stretch, buster dist-upgrade also. Thats probably not it. |
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| 01:58.36 | dvs | It could be the repos that were added afterwards |
| 01:58.45 | ectospasm | IIRC, my router was a jessie->stretch->buster transition as well. |
| 01:58.53 | ectospasm | I don't think it goes as far back as wheezy. |
| 01:59.13 | Lady_Aleena | Could it be looking at ALL my drives, not just the first one? |
| 02:00.38 | Lady_Aleena | sda is the drive that I boot from, but sdb has Debian on it as well. |
| 02:02.07 | Lady_Aleena | Also, while using jessie, I installed a lot of backports. |
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| 02:06.37 | Lady_Aleena | I;' |
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| 02:07.32 | Lady_Aleena | I'm sorry for taking up your time like this, it looks like my system is a disaster zone. And dinner is done, so I'm going to go eat. Thank you for your time guys. |
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| 02:14.41 | themill | Lady_Aleena: an "apt-get -f install" may manage to come up with a solution that is better. "apt-cache policy" would be useful to see too |
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| 02:15.24 | plt | Question I added the following two lines and the syystem is will log logging using auditd |
| 02:15.25 | plt | -a exit,always -F arch=b64 -F euid=0 -S execve |
| 02:15.25 | plt | -a exit,always -F arch=b32 -F euid=0 -S execve |
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| 02:17.11 | plt | When I restart auditd its removing the two lines I added to the conf file |
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| 02:47.28 | plt | How can get auditd to log all the users shell commands? |
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| 02:53.28 | plt | I got it to work |
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| 03:12.20 | PETURBG | hi fucking spain internet provider is blocking port 53 and zippyshare. so is there way bypass it. i have dns server it need port 53 fucking vodafone |
| 03:13.00 | ectospasm | PETURBG: Get a new ISP. |
| 03:13.15 | ectospasm | Or use their DNS servers. |
| 03:13.22 | sney | run DoH to a local dns server and provide resolution to your devices |
| 03:13.38 | ectospasm | Or that too |
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| 03:13.49 | PETURBG | wait... please comment. |
| 03:13.56 | PETURBG | two ways... |
| 03:14.04 | PETURBG | but is it gonna work |
| 03:14.10 | sney | !tias |
| 03:14.10 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 03:14.47 | PETURBG | what is doh ? |
| 03:14.55 | ectospasm | DNS over HTTPS |
| 03:15.06 | PETURBG | aja over port 443 |
| 03:15.31 | PETURBG | but how godaddy is gonna know if i use doh... i need them to be my slave |
| 03:15.40 | ectospasm | I've never set it up, so I don't know how to do it. Haven't had a need to. |
| 03:15.57 | sney | https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/dns-over-https/cloudflared-proxy/ |
| 03:15.58 | ectospasm | I ditched GoDaddy quite a while ago. |
| 03:16.03 | sney | they have a utility. |
| 03:16.16 | PETURBG | ectospasm im glad. fucking providerd this is feature they will try to delete humankimd right |
| 03:16.48 | PETURBG | sney i use he.dns too |
| 03:17.07 | ectospasm | I just hated their website, trying to sell me all manner of services that I neither needed nor wanted. |
| 03:17.14 | ectospasm | I use namecheap now. |
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| 03:17.46 | Unit193 | I used namecheap until switching to Gandi. |
| 03:18.02 | PETURBG | ectospasm... but he.net is there doh |
| 03:18.19 | sney | you would have to ask them |
| 03:18.22 | ectospasm | Use what you like. |
| 03:18.44 | PETURBG | from 3 years my port 53 is blocked |
| 03:18.46 | sney | I only linked cloudflare because they have good instructions. it's dns, it doesn't matter |
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| 03:19.00 | PETURBG | sney wow.. thanks man |
| 03:19.24 | skyliner_369 | Why is it that nvidia refuses to open up any details about their GPUs but at the same time has what seems like only 2 unpaid interns as the sole staff working on the linux GPU drivers? |
| 03:20.35 | PETURBG | sney question... can this be trusted if tvis doh connected to other servers... and humankind never buy amd... i habe r590 and on all games crash if you dont belive loom twitch bgzashtita and you will see |
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| 03:22.39 | sney | what? |
| 03:23.14 | PETURBG | sney... i read cloudfare doh... what is unknown... how to make it work with he.net |
| 03:24.07 | sney | DoH is a special service that is provided by *some* dns providers to make your nameserver queries more private. |
| 03:24.36 | sney | it is a very new thing, and not every provider uses it yet. You will need to check to see if your preferred provider does. |
| 03:24.52 | Unit193 | You may also want to look into DoT. |
| 03:25.07 | PETURBG | sney if he.net donr hve doh who has it |
| 03:25.33 | sney | if you have a favorite dns server, you probably have a favorite search engine. why don't you look it up? |
| 03:25.55 | sney | I am aware of quad9 and cloudflare. I assume there are others. |
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| 03:26.44 | PETURBG | sney but dont know how to look. and there is much lie in internet. thank if you remember help. |
| 03:27.06 | PETURBG | i just remember and cloudfare ? |
| 03:27.49 | PETURBG | is it posible only use them for port 53 |
| 03:28.17 | Unit193 | (See also: https://www.privacytools.io/providers/dns/ for other providers) |
| 03:28.47 | PETURBG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:31.57 | PETURBG | eeee question. if i use some of privacytools then need to export all my he.net rules to one of privacytools ? |
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| 03:35.38 | PETURBG | hmm. so if i use 8.8.8 two gogle dns they port 53 will be blockef ? but if i use fucking vodafone dns ip will be unblocked... first i will try see if this work. becouse it will be only for server. if this dont work then doh |
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| 03:37.00 | PETURBG | but why debian dont make for derver too. and update it when new servers wants... if my dns isp is free i will host dns for other peoples. freedom is basic humankind roghts |
| 03:39.39 | PETURBG | strange. how 8. is used google dns it isp will block port 53 and if i use vodafome ip they will be unblocked. something is not right. if vodafone block port 53 then what dns ip is put it will not be unblocked ? can someone comment is this true. |
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| 03:43.09 | PETURBG | now i like open my port 53... but vodadone spain block it... then how vodafone will unblock it if i use they dns. didnt it was from router block. what difference will make to use vodadone ip than google. if google is blocked port 53 then why peoples use 8.8 when in theu comumtry internrt service is blocking port 53. strange... this is good if |
| 03:43.10 | PETURBG | really is only from dns ip. |
| 03:44.10 | PETURBG | include more european country are blocking zippysjare. |
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| 03:47.14 | joepublic | Your enthusiasm is noted and is a testament to your people. |
| 03:49.30 | PETURBG | joepublic ? |
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| 04:02.21 | PETURBG | i dont kmow how vodadone bloxk port 53 when i use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 04:03.10 | sney | they probably use a firewall |
| 04:03.41 | PETURBG | sney but this mean. if i use other dns ip it will be blocked ? |
| 04:03.56 | PETURBG | not 8.8? |
| 04:04.08 | quadrathoch2 | i guess so, so maybe you should really look into doh or dot |
| 04:04.32 | sney | yes, your isp can decide which hosts you can reach with which ports/protocols |
| 04:05.12 | PETURBG | ok. i will but it is good to know how to bypass it. becouse i have so many quwstions. and i need help to make it work. it has been 3 years... |
| 04:06.28 | PETURBG | sney and if i masquerade like they dont know... but how they can not know my ip... strange. |
| 04:07.02 | sney | you're on their network, they control how you use it |
| 04:07.07 | PETURBG | how option are avaible for port 53 ? |
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| 04:07.23 | PETURBG | but i pay money for free internet. |
| 04:07.47 | quadrathoch2 | your goverment says differently (i guess they are the culprit) |
| 04:07.59 | PETURBG | we dont live in africa or chinese... we speak for first world.. |
| 04:08.14 | PETURBG | so how options there are for port 53 |
| 04:08.29 | PETURBG | doh, include dot? this is firdt optins. |
| 04:08.33 | quadrathoch2 | honestly i would look into dot (dns over tls) |
| 04:08.57 | PETURBG | thst is first option... how many has... |
| 04:09.35 | PETURBG | from vodadone maybe rhey block dor too. there has to be more options. |
| 04:09.35 | quadrathoch2 | what do you mean by how many has? |
| 04:09.52 | PETURBG | if doh dont work... therr has to has more options... |
| 04:10.30 | quadrathoch2 | well when they block encrypted dns maybe you should look into an vpn option on top of that but it should work |
| 04:10.40 | PETURBG | there has to be way to bypass this barbaric |
| 04:11.07 | PETURBG | second option is vpn... ok is therr more options... may vodafone too block vpn ? |
| 04:11.15 | quadrathoch2 | dot, doh, vpn or wireguard should normally suffice |
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| 04:11.49 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG i'm pretty sure they won't block vpn, as it is very often used in businesses |
| 04:12.18 | PETURBG | but guys i need for dns server not to open web site... bind server... so he.net can be slave to fetch my authorirative querry |
| 04:12.51 | quadrathoch2 | why would you need to open a website? |
| 04:13.15 | PETURBG | quadratoch2 unknown from vodafone can be wait everything. today they block port 53 for bind and tommorrow theu will nude peoples |
| 04:13.25 | PETURBG | becouse i have web server. |
| 04:13.47 | PETURBG | i wsnt rrnt my server... |
| 04:14.48 | PETURBG | so is it avaible dot for bind server... |
| 04:15.30 | PETURBG | vodafone block port 53 who want run dns server. |
| 04:16.18 | quadrathoch2 | https://paolozaino.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/how-to-configure-bind-named-dns-to-forward-queries-to-quad9-via-tls/ look into this, but I would give you the tip of using another dns over tls provider |
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| 04:16.45 | quadrathoch2 | and yes it's for centos, but should be pretty easy adaptable |
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| 04:18.13 | PETURBG | quad thanks it is for debian too |
| 04:18.35 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 do ypu have contact to be your friend |
| 04:18.54 | PETURBG | ejabberd ? |
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| 04:19.06 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG i will be here (and my bot) nope sorry, just irc |
| 04:20.21 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 quwstion. your manual comment quad9... this mean i need to export or import feom he.net and imprt or export to quad 9 ? |
| 04:20.53 | quadrathoch2 | what would you like to import? quad9 is just a dns service nothing more nothing less |
| 04:21.11 | PETURBG | if i use quad9 then i need to stop he.net ? i dont know hoq it work. for tht i ask |
| 04:21.59 | PETURBG | becouse in the moment i use he.net to host my dns and how to configure he.net to know get my querry |
| 04:22.35 | PETURBG | i have so many questions. and so many lie in google. im glad debian exist |
| 04:22.41 | quadrathoch2 | what is he.net? |
| 04:23.50 | PETURBG | he.net is ishttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Electric |
| 04:24.16 | PETURBG | they free host yoirdomain.com in your ip |
| 04:25.42 | PETURBG | so you cant run bind9... but i want run my dns server... so issue here is vodadone. so when i make my dns server i want hw.net to be my slave to querry my dns ans case of turn elwvtricity down or disconnect |
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| 04:27.19 | quadrathoch2 | ahh yeah, with that you can't really use your own dns server |
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| 04:28.52 | PETURBG | someone has ide how to use my own dns server |
| 04:33.00 | PETURBG | https://www.aaflalo.me/2018/10/tutorial-setup-dns-over-https-server/?amp |
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| 04:35.50 | quadrathoch2 | sounds okay, if you want to deal with that PETURBG |
| 04:36.34 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 i dont know you are rhe expert... |
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| 04:37.14 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG rhe? |
| 04:37.45 | quadrathoch2 | r |
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| 04:39.01 | PETURBG | the |
| 04:40.08 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG honestly running your own dns server is most of the time 'wasted' time. if you want to sure go ahead, but you just have to know that there are almost no benefits |
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| 04:42.00 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 i know but i never has dns server and want test it |
| 04:42.18 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG then go for it ;) |
| 04:42.49 | PETURBG | ans i want host with cloudmine virutla sustem... to rent my server... |
| 04:43.29 | PETURBG | by i need help to configure port 53 work |
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| 04:44.49 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG could you try to type more correctly, it's really hard to understand you. and as I am not the expert for running dns servers, i guess you need to find somebody else for that |
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| 04:46.28 | PETURBG | quadratotch2 people here comment put vodafone dns ip maybe wilñ work. but i start tjink if they block with firewall then maybe they ip dns will not work. is this true. i cant write correctly becouse my mobile is old. and keyboard is really slow |
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| 04:47.57 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG kk, well as we can't figure out what vodafone does, it's really hard to give you advice |
| 04:49.15 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 so doh dot is gonna work ? if i speak woth cloudfa... or how was they name... |
| 04:49.27 | PETURBG | cloudfare |
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| 04:54.35 | quadrathoch2 | cloudflare ;). as long as they won't block those specific ports yes. but with doh (which is normal https traffic) they wouldn't do it. the issue is (as far as I can see it for now) there is no way for systemd-resolved to work with doh or bind9 (so you would need to switch to another software) |
| 04:57.12 | PETURBG | i still dont understand it.... im sure there is way bypass it |
| 04:57.34 | PETURBG | in website i paste they too comment doh... |
| 04:57.55 | quadrathoch2 | PETURBG there will always be a way to bypass it |
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| 04:58.46 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 do you know other way |
| 04:59.31 | quadrathoch2 | i already told you them |
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| 05:00.24 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 this was from you : |
| 05:00.27 | PETURBG | https://paolozaino.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/how-to-configure-bind-named-dns-to-forward-queries-to-quad9-via-tls/ |
| 05:00.46 | PETURBG | i ask you becouse you cpmment. it will not work. for that |
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| 05:01.18 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2quadratisch06:54:34 |
| 05:01.19 | PETURBG | cloudflare ;). as long as they won't block those specific ports yes. but with doh (which is normal https traffic) they wouldn't do it. the issue is (as far as I can see it for now) there is no way for systemd-resolved to work with doh or bind9 (so you would need to switch to another software |
| 05:01.52 | quadrathoch2 | yes? well PETURBG it's not using port 53, that's why it's working |
| 05:03.00 | PETURBG | if vodafone try block port 443 then people will not be in vodafone. . thay is what i say. but the manual is for dns server ? |
| 05:03.26 | PETURBG | not for dns block website ? |
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| 05:03.52 | quadrathoch2 | yes |
| 05:03.58 | PETURBG | ok thank man |
| 05:04.10 | PETURBG | i have much night to make it work... |
| 05:04.46 | quadrathoch2 | go for it :) PETURBG |
| 05:04.47 | PETURBG | and withoit missing manuals... pfuuu |
| 05:04.56 | PETURBG | im there |
| 05:05.11 | PETURBG | thank |
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| 05:08.56 | zxwayland | argh |
| 05:11.26 | madlord | hello guys, after updating my debian (testing) I'm having an error with R package, when plotting the default font was not found, and some strange characters was used instead |
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| 05:11.42 | madlord | I don't know if this is a problem related to R or debian |
| 05:12.16 | madlord | but when selecting the font family in R as Sans it was found, but the default family is 'sans' (lowercase) |
| 05:12.43 | quadrathoch2 | !testing |
| 05:12.43 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 05:12.49 | madlord | since I don't know if there was some changes in latest version of debian, related to fonts names |
| 05:13.42 | quadrathoch2 | madlord you are in the wrong channel ;) only stable support here |
| 05:13.50 | madlord | ok quadrathoch2 , sorry |
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| 05:14.16 | quadrathoch2 | np that's why I pointed out the testing info |
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| 05:23.27 | Blankspace | hi |
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| 05:23.37 | Blankspace | which editor is there in debian |
| 05:23.52 | Blankspace | it says vim command is not available |
| 05:24.00 | somiaj | which one do you want (nano and vi (vim-tiny)) is usually on debian by default |
| 05:24.20 | somiaj | you have to type 'vi' with vim-tiny, or apt install vim |
| 05:24.35 | Blankspace | ok |
| 05:24.39 | Blankspace | thanks |
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| 05:39.25 | annadane | for simple edits people tend to use nano |
| 05:39.29 | annadane | which comes preinstalled |
| 05:39.53 | somiaj | for some reason I thought 'vi' was on min/default usually too |
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| 05:40.16 | somiaj | ,i vim-tiny |
| 05:40.17 | judd | Package vim-tiny (editors, important) in buster/amd64: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - compact version. Version: 2:8.1.0875-5; Size: 612.6k; Installed: 1344k; Homepage: https://www.vim.org/ |
| 05:40.28 | somiaj | it is an important package and there too |
| 05:42.21 | quadrathoch2 | somiaj it should be. but the command is vim.tiny |
| 05:43.07 | jmcnaught | the command is vi |
| 05:43.24 | quadrathoch2 | jmcnaught but vi is not vim |
| 05:43.59 | jmcnaught | quadrathoch2: "update-alternatives --display vi" |
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| 05:44.38 | quadrathoch2 | how come it navigates differently? |
| 05:45.13 | jmcnaught | I don't know, I always install vim or vim-nox as soon as possible |
| 05:45.47 | somiaj | vim-tiny removes most the 'vim' features and is just vi, vim users will find it limiting, but it is installed by defaul.t |
| 05:46.06 | somiaj | debian diesn't have vi, but vim-tiny is 'close' to vi |
| 05:47.01 | somiaj | This package contains a minimal version of Vim compiled with no GUI and a small subset of features. This package's sole purpose is to provide the vi binary for base installations. |
| 05:47.29 | ansimita | I use busybox vi for sudo operations |
| 05:47.32 | quadrathoch2 | somiaj, well still vi is different to vim.tiny (you really feel that when you try to navigate with the arrow keys, as it won't navigate at all) |
| 05:48.08 | somiaj | I don't think the original vi did arrows either, but most uses of vim will not like vim-tiny |
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| 05:48.37 | quadrathoch2 | just wanted to point it out that there is a difference between those two commands |
| 05:48.44 | quadrathoch2 | as I rather like vi :X |
| 05:49.21 | somiaj | on a default install, vi = vim.timy |
| 05:49.50 | quadrathoch2 | so how come (as I installed debian today) it _is_ different |
| 05:49.52 | somiaj | vi is just a link, that if you install another vim package gets updated to be that, on my stystem vi points at vim.gtk |
| 05:50.34 | somiaj | because vi is controlled by the alternatives system, /vim/bin/vi -> /etc/altermatives/vi, which points at whatever package you isntalled to provide vi |
| 05:51.19 | somiaj | My system it is vim.gtk (instaead of vim.tiny) since I installed another alternative for vi/vim |
| 05:51.26 | quadrathoch2 | well you just said that vi = vim.tiny but both commands execute another config, so it is different in that regard |
| 05:51.46 | quadrathoch2 | as you can't navigate for example with arrow keys in vi |
| 05:51.52 | quadrathoch2 | in comparison to vim.tiny |
| 05:51.57 | somiaj | My comment has always been that on a default base system, debian doesn't provide vi, but alternatives for it. |
| 05:52.14 | quadrathoch2 | somiaj well i do have the default base system here right now |
| 05:52.37 | somiaj | if /etc/alternatives/vi is not pointing at vim.tiny then you have installed stuff beyond the base system. |
| 05:52.50 | somiaj | (or changed the link yourself) |
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| 05:53.32 | quadrathoch2 | it is pointing to vim.tiny. but they have different configs :x as said earlier (vi has compatible on in comparison to vim.tiny) |
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| 06:03.19 | quadrathoch2 | just to prove my point https://paste.debian.net/1152442/ |
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| 06:06.22 | sgo11 | hi, are there any easy GUI tool to create luks encryption and mount points? Thanks a lot. |
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| 06:07.02 | somiaj | does gparted not do that? |
| 06:07.31 | somiaj | quick google seems to suggest you can created encrypted partitions with gparted |
| 06:07.46 | sgo11 | somiaj: can gparted do that? I don't find any encryption options in gparted. |
| 06:08.44 | somiaj | hmm, yea seems this doc is about opening an encrypted partition, not creating one |
| 06:09.07 | jmcnaught | sgo11: gnome-disk-utility can do that stuff. It's a front end for udisks2. |
| 06:09.44 | sgo11 | jmcnaught: thanks a lot. I will install gnome-disk-utility and see. |
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| 06:11.36 | somiaj | a bit surprised gparted can't do that, I need to remind myself about gnome-disks more |
| 06:13.21 | sgo11 | Just installed gnome-disk-utility. yeah, it has encryption option when formatting. Thanks a lot. :) |
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| 08:26.28 | Ooze | Good morning. I've created secondary mount points for an NFS drive in fstab. This configuration is working, but I find my secondary mounts (site1&2/u) are occasionally unmounting themselves. This is corrected w/ a 'mount -a', but I'd like to find out what's causing this so they remain persistently mounted https://paste.incorrigible.me/palohucoro.rb |
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| 08:44.54 | SirLagz | Hi All, is there a recommended Win10 tool to put a Deb 10 install ISO onto a USB ? |
| 08:45.39 | ksk | SirLagz: https://rufus.ie/ |
| 08:46.04 | SirLagz | Ok, thanks, for some reason I thought Rufus was a no-no with the Debian ISO...not sure why I thought that |
| 08:46.39 | ksk | unetbootin is a no-go, I have only heard good things about Rufus so far, and used it myself a few times. |
| 08:46.57 | diogenes_ | SirLagz, win32diskimager is recommended. |
| 08:46.58 | SirLagz | ah, I must be thinking of unetbootin, thanks! |
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| 08:47.18 | SirLagz | diogenes_, Thaaaaat's what I was trying to think of! |
| 08:47.39 | SirLagz | I was sure there was a recommended tool that wasn't rufus haha |
| 08:47.56 | themill | rufus does have a mode that works, it just also has modes that don't |
| 08:50.08 | SirLagz | damn...my laptop doesn't seem to like Win32 disk imager...might need a reboot. BRB |
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| 08:53.06 | SirLagz | nope...my laptop just doesn't like Win32diskimager |
| 08:55.06 | SirLagz | rufus it is. |
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| 09:05.31 | wikan | test |
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| 09:39.54 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 09:39.57 | no_gravity | Recently, when I have two windows open in screen and type "exit" in one of them, it hangs for a couple of seconds. Any ideas how to debug this? |
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| 09:47.53 | gie | hi, does "apt-get -s upgrade" also include/simulate apt-get update or just upgrade ? |
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| 09:48.48 | glick | hi all |
| 09:48.55 | glick | have a iptables question |
| 09:49.32 | glick | i have a website on port 4343 but i want all requests from 443 to be transparently redirected to it, and i want direct access to 4343 blocked |
| 09:49.45 | glick | i.e. https://website:4343 should not work |
| 09:49.52 | glick | is that possible? |
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| 09:50.43 | quadrathoch2 | gie it will only simulate an upgrade (why would you simulate an update oO) |
| 09:50.45 | jim | hi... so kde connects my laptop to a wireless net (or at least, when I log into the graphical greeter, kde starts, and asks me for the password to my kdewallet, which must have my WAP password in it, because it connects... |
| 09:51.06 | jim | my question is, how does this differ with xfce? |
| 09:51.13 | quadrathoch2 | glick yes, read into reverse proxy :) |
| 09:52.15 | quadrathoch2 | jim what do you mean? as in you don't need to authenticate yourself for accessing the wifi? |
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| 10:02.36 | glick | i need a reverse proxy to do that? cant just use iptables? |
| 10:04.30 | ksk | iptables should do, yes. |
| 10:05.32 | ksk | you need nat/PREROUTING for the "redirection", and then just some "external device and target port = 4343 == nono" rule I suppose. |
| 10:05.40 | ksk | should be easy to find on google :P |
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| 10:43.13 | jaami | when some app is installed what possible locations on debian can be changed by the app. for example chromium was installed but chromium has one extension "CryptoTokenExtension" disabled and cannot be removed. so need to find out where that extension is saved on system? |
| 10:43.47 | jaami | when some app is installed what possible locations on debian can be changed by the app. for example chromium was installed but chromium has one extension CryptoTokenExtension disabled and cannot be removed. so need to find out where that extension is saved on system? |
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| 10:47.28 | ksk | jaami: "dpkg -L pkg" lists you all files that were installed by said package. |
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| 10:47.58 | ksk | it would be a bad Idea to just remove random files that were installed via apt tough. |
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| 10:48.08 | ksk | (or, any files for that matter) |
| 10:49.32 | jaami | ahh, yes, yesterday i installed whole system because of that mistake. thanks for reminding |
| 10:49.38 | evlute1 | hello, i need help with preseed.cfg, because i can't disable the network autoconfiguration with d-i netcfg/enable boolean false - it will be ignored. |
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| 10:58.48 | SirLagz | theoretically, if I write a debian ISO to a hard drive, then boot off the HDD, it should act like an installer CD right? |
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| 11:39.33 | openface | i have a do big mess perm denied perm denied, sudo is a world, etc. chown -R 755 / i think is not |
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| 11:50.13 | ksk | openface: in short, you cant. |
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| 12:05.10 | emper0r | hi... it's possible to know what is on memory buff/cache? like dumping with some tool and check inside ?... |
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| 12:43.15 | EdePopede | emper0r: i doubt that the kernel would allow some userland tool to read the memory of another process. not to talk about other users' processes. |
| 12:44.19 | EdePopede | i think that would have to be implemented as kernel module, not sure if some tool could even reach that privilege level. |
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| 12:45.26 | EdePopede | maybe using somethimg from some virtual filesystem, but i think i tried opening kmen long ago while looking around the fs in the beginning and it didn't really work. |
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| 12:53.29 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Last night one thing lead to another when I found I had 185 packages in the dpkg -l list that were code rc. So, it was suggested that I run `aptitude purge ~c`. That command returned http://paste.debian.net/1152424. So, I ran `aptitude -f install`, and that returned http://paste.debian.net/1152426/. Then I had to go eat dinner and didn't come back. When I came back this morning, I ran two more suggestions, `apt-get -f install` |
| 12:53.29 | Lady_Aleena | which told me to run `apt autoremove`. That removed 1 package. I also ran `apt-cache policy` as suggested, and it returned a list of what I think is a list of urls sources. So what should I do next to clean up my system? |
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| 12:59.01 | emper0r | EdePopede: ok thanks just was curioous |
| 13:01.43 | EdePopede | emper0r: maybe don't take my word for it if it's crucial, but i really can't imagine it. oh, and remember some of the security issues during the last years, where even the application memory gets scrambled to make attacks harder. |
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| 13:06.12 | emper0r | ok :) thanks any way |
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| 13:11.56 | f8e4 | hey |
| 13:12.07 | f8e4 | find ./ -maxdepth 0 -wholename 'install' |
| 13:12.13 | f8e4 | find ./ -maxdepth 0 -name 'install' |
| 13:12.19 | f8e4 | the latter finds the file, not the former why? |
| 13:12.28 | f8e4 | * depth 1 |
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| 13:24.10 | EdePopede | f8e4: wholename is path. only mentioned in the manpage w/o any context, the info page has at least a useful statement. |
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| 13:29.53 | f8e4 | EdePopede thank you, yes -path it is |
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| 14:04.59 | search_social | Hello the pandoc in the official repositories is missing a -dokuwiki feature that I need so I downloaded a pandoc-2.9.2.1-1-amd64.deb from the pandoc official website. I know I can directly install this with dpkg -i pandoc.dpkg but I am wondering if there is a way to make this dpkg (and perhaps others) show up as options in apt install (and then how to know they are getting chosen over the pandoc in |
| 14:05.05 | search_social | other official repositories). Thank you! |
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| 14:08.09 | mirko | are the pkg-*-maintainers@aliaoth-lists.debian.net lists a) public as in, browsable without being subscribed (e.g. webinterface) and b) can mails be sent to without being subscribed? |
| 14:10.39 | mirko | ah, nevermind - my mail now popped up - so, yes i apparently can send to those ml's without being subscribed |
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| 14:15.15 | EdePopede | dpkg, tell search_social about pinning |
| 14:15.21 | EdePopede | (ps: did it work?) |
| 14:15.53 | EdePopede | oh, seems so |
| 14:16.08 | search_social | yes it worked thanks EdePopede |
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| 14:16.37 | EdePopede | btw, pandoc isn't special at all. iirc i just threw it into /usr/local |
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| 14:34.55 | Sepultura | Hallo, I have a general Debian/Linux question |
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| 14:35.36 | Sepultura | Is there a request where I can ask the server what is its IPv6 Number in the network if I only know its IPv4? |
| 14:36.54 | ksk | Sepultura: no. IPv4 and IPv6 have nothing to do with each other. |
| 14:37.05 | ksk | and eh, you would not even get "another v4 that this box is using" |
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| 14:38.21 | Sepultura | ksk, but I could code a server which accepts json string on Port x {"action": "requestv6"} and it would reply with {"reply" : "IPV6 Number"} |
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| 14:38.26 | ksk | Sepultura: you can setup your v6-addresses to be prefix:foo:v4inv6 or so if you want - not sure what the exact termininology is here |
| 14:38.44 | ksk | Sepultura: yes. |
| 14:38.55 | Sepultura | maybe linux services have such feature ? |
| 14:38.57 | ksk | you could also ssh in and do "ip -6 a s" :P |
| 14:39.27 | Sepultura | or can I tunnel 6 to 4? |
| 14:39.44 | ksk | What are you really trying to do in the first place? |
| 14:40.47 | Sepultura | I am connected via IPv6 to my small reader device (running Debian). it is connected to a network. The targeted Machine has a IPv4. I need to access its control page |
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| 14:43.15 | ksk | soo, you are using your "small reader device" as a kind of entrypoint/router? eeeh |
| 14:43.17 | Sepultura | how can I access 192.168.1.150:80 via IPv6? |
| 14:43.25 | Sepultura | not a router |
| 14:43.29 | ksk | you cannot. give your device both v4 and v6 addresses. |
| 14:43.43 | Sepultura | my device has IPv4 |
| 14:43.52 | Sepultura | but my VPN tunnel has only IPv6 |
| 14:44.02 | ksk | please use placeholders like A,B for the various devices. |
| 14:44.30 | Sepultura | Reader A - Machine B. A and B have ipv4. VPN Tunnel only 6 |
| 14:44.51 | ksk | if the tunnel drops you at A you can connect to B via v4.. |
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| 14:47.14 | Sepultura | wouldn't it work if I setup an 6to4 Tunnel? |
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| 14:50.55 | ksk | It is not needed at all. |
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| 14:52.28 | ksk | You seem to be missing basic networking fundamentals, I suggest maybe drawing a Picture or so: Yes, you connect to A via v6, but once you are on A the kernel determines ways to reach B via B its address, if its a v4 address, it will use a configured v4 device with an appropiate route to reach B |
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| 15:23.51 | sacarde | hi |
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| 16:08.49 | Sepultura | anyone knows good Linux jokes? |
| 16:08.59 | annadane | !chat |
| 16:09.00 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
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| 16:40.35 | annadane | does anyone have an idea why my bash autocomplete has suddenly become very slow? |
| 16:41.03 | annadane | or rather, if there's more than one option, the list takes a long time to populate |
| 16:41.21 | annadane | specifically, it seems to be a problem with apt show |
| 16:42.18 | annadane | now i'm trying it with random packages i know exist and it's just not taking at all |
| 16:42.25 | annadane | let me try an apt update |
| 16:44.55 | annadane | it's just really borked for whatever reason |
| 16:46.27 | annadane | you know what? screw it, i'm trying a reboot |
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| 16:49.29 | winterflaw_ | I have a pretty strange problem and I'm hoping someone here might have some words of wisdom. I have a Debian 8 image file of unknown provenance which is for an old SBC, the Minnowboard (actually x86, no 64-bit extensions). |
| 16:49.37 | winterflaw_ | I write this image to an SD card and I can boot the device, and it takes a DHCP IP and has an SSHD up and I can SSH to it - only I have absolutely no idea of the username/password. I've tried Googling a -lot-, no joy. |
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| 16:49.44 | winterflaw_ | So I'm thinking to mount the SD card, have a look at /etc/passwd and overwrite the password in /etc/shadow. Problem is, I can't mount the Debian partition - and that's what I'm asking for help with. |
| 16:49.51 | winterflaw_ | The SD card has three partitions, 512M EFI System, 244M Linux filesystem, 14.1G Linux LVM. I activate the LVM, and this has two volumes; root and swap_1. I then try to mount root and boom - I get "can't read superblock". I'm kinda stumpted. This must be a real filesystem which actually works, because I can boot the device off the card. |
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| 16:50.35 | kreyren | Can i get support with debian here using this apt-config? https://github.com/Kreyren/apt-config/tree/leonid-devuan it's debian + devuan that is prefering debian unless there is a package in devuan to provide openrc compatibility that doesn't work on debian |
| 16:50.41 | annadane | hmm nope, doesn't seem to fix it |
| 16:51.23 | annadane | maybe try ##linux kreyren |
| 16:51.37 | kreyren | annadane, option, but limiting resources |
| 16:52.18 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ do you have more info. as in for example filesystem? |
| 16:53.01 | winterflaw_ | No. I tried "file -sL", and it sayeth "ERROR: cannot read `/dev/minnow-vg/root' (Input/output error)" |
| 16:53.24 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ on the other hand you could try to boot in single user mode to edit the files directly on the sd card |
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| 16:56.21 | winterflaw_ | So, it's an SBC, there's no keyboard or monitor. I can hook up a USB table to a debug port and use screen to get output, but all I seem to get is literally two lines of output (can't remember the first, second is "Starting EFI application", I think). So it might be possible, but it would take some work to find out. If there is a way for me to examine the card on my laptop, it'd be more direct and sure. |
| 16:57.01 | winterflaw_ | But now I'm thinking - "file" says "input/output error". |
| 16:57.15 | winterflaw_ | Mount says "can't read superblock". Probably mount really means can't do I/O. |
| 16:59.38 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ k |
| 17:02.05 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ sadly their site is down, but as the source is open, maybe you can get it to run (as there are tutorials for that, and probably also some information for login data (if they are the default) |
| 17:02.06 | quadrathoch2 | https://github.com/MinnowBoard-org/website |
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| 17:02.42 | winterflaw_ | Yeah. Been through it a lot last day or two. They don't actually have my Debian image, and I cannot remember now where on earth it came from - which is pretty dodgy! |
| 17:03.18 | jmcnaught | annadane: does your autocomplete issue happen with other non-apt commands, or with another user? |
| 17:03.25 | winterflaw_ | I'm beginning to wonder if I should try a bootable SD card image of Buster and just see if it works, but I'll need to find out where to begin with bootable SD card images - I don't think they exist for Debian, not as such, from the official site. |
| 17:03.41 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ i mean you could always try to get a newer debian installed on the sd card |
| 17:03.45 | winterflaw_ | The minnowboard hardware is about as standard as you can get - Intel x86 SOC. |
| 17:04.17 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ which version do you have? |
| 17:04.30 | quadrathoch2 | https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/articles/minnowboard-maxturbot-uefi-firmware.html ? |
| 17:05.36 | winterflaw_ | So, those are later versions of the hardware, the MAX and the Turbot. I have the plain old unadorned "Minnowboard". I have firmware v1.00 - I installed it myself. |
| 17:05.40 | annadane | jmcnaught, well, paths seem to be ok, like ls /usr/bin <tab tab tab>, i haven't tried it as another user yet |
| 17:05.51 | winterflaw_ | 32 bit firmware, mind you. |
| 17:05.56 | annadane | i'll do that in a bit |
| 17:05.59 | winterflaw_ | And of course a 32 bit CPU. |
| 17:06.19 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ what do you have to lose? just maybe backup the sdcard (if you haven't already) or use another one. |
| 17:06.59 | winterflaw_ | Oh, nothing to lose - and I have a spare card - rather, it's the time to figure out where to begin. I have no clue about how to make bootable SD card images. I suspect it's a complex subject. |
| 17:07.10 | winterflaw_ | Mounting the existing card seemed to be much less work (if I could do it). |
| 17:07.34 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ as it's EFI, it's pretty easy. it would help if you know deboostrap for example |
| 17:08.05 | winterflaw_ | Right - I've heard of debootstrap and that's it. |
| 17:08.36 | winterflaw_ | And my experience with Linux is that most things don't work, there are no docs, and no error messages. |
| 17:08.38 | jmcnaught | annadane: another one you could test with is "systemctl <TAB><TAB> status dis<TAB><TAB>" |
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| 17:08.59 | winterflaw_ | Trying to do something complex is often a recursive descent into problems. |
| 17:09.03 | annadane | that has only one, display-manager.service, and completes instantly |
| 17:09.11 | winterflaw_ | So I'm pretty cautious about opening new, possibly complex subjects :-) |
| 17:09.20 | annadane | but if i just use "d", then the entire list also populates instantly |
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| 17:09.44 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ eh, it's just a total different workflow. which you have to adapt, or you will never see the light :P |
| 17:09.48 | annadane | it seems to specifically be apt show under my user |
| 17:09.52 | annadane | i'll try it with another user in a bit |
| 17:10.29 | annadane | jmcnaught, another user has the same issue |
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| 17:10.57 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ should I walk you through? |
| 17:11.04 | annadane | i know i had an error at some point i kind of ignored, i don't remember what it said |
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| 17:11.40 | annadane | i wonder if it's my mirror being weird? i use deb.debian.org |
| 17:11.42 | sney | annadane: long nonsensical timeouts can sometimes be a dns issue |
| 17:11.50 | winterflaw_ | that's extraordinarily kind of you! I think for now I'll experiment a bit more - I still have some hope :-) |
| 17:12.00 | annadane | i wonder if i should refresh the cache or something |
| 17:12.31 | annadane | although if it's the same for another user that probably implies some type of connection/dns problm |
| 17:12.33 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ no problem ;) just ping me and I should respond. if not I hope you won't have time pressure ;) |
| 17:12.57 | jmcnaught | annadane: one thing you could try is running strace on the process ID of your bash shell and then try autocompleting something, then look through the (verbose) output for errors or delays. |
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| 17:13.05 | winterflaw_ | thankyou! |
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| 17:13.36 | winterflaw_ | but if I do go that way, I will also try myself before troubling you - it would be inconsiderate not to do so |
| 17:13.55 | winterflaw_ | I'm pretty certain I will need to ask a question or two though |
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| 17:14.03 | winterflaw_ | but let's see how it all goes |
| 17:14.32 | annadane | jmcnaught, two separate strace commands? or does it have a follow option like dmesg -w, i looked briefly through the man page and didn't see anything |
| 17:15.12 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ it's relatively easy. just for a quick overview, partition with 2 partitions (efi and one big root probably) and then debootstrap (which if you want can read a little into with man debootstrap (when in doubt google that command) and there should be examples at the end of the text. so to better understand |
| 17:15.44 | winterflaw_ | thankyou - that sounds an excellent overview, which is the first thing which is needed |
| 17:16.01 | winterflaw_ | I'm still hoping it won't come to that :-) but I'll know now where to begin |
| 17:16.20 | jmcnaught | annadane: I was thinking something like "echo $$" in your shell to get the PID, then in another window run "strace -p 123 > autotest" or whatever the number is. Then go back to the first window and try to reproduce, then check what happened in the strace (or paste it). |
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| 17:17.09 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ eh i would still look into a newer debian system, as debian 8 is pretty old ;) (forget to mention you still need to log into that system configure it a little (which should be like 2-3 commands) and then you are able to boot it up ;) |
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| 17:17.48 | annadane | jmcnaught, here's an excerpt from when i try it, seems relevant https://paste.debian.net/1152509/ |
| 17:18.03 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ and if you want to use that system imho, having a supported system is better than having not one ;) |
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| 17:18.47 | winterflaw_ | yes - first thing I will do when/if I can log in is upgrade to Buster |
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| 17:19.12 | winterflaw_ | I need to do that anyway, so apt has support for socks (which I think came in 9, but it's certainly not in 8) |
| 17:19.42 | quadrathoch2 | great :) have fun winterflaw_ |
| 17:19.55 | winterflaw_ | fun? teeth being pulled, etc :-) |
| 17:20.35 | quadrathoch2 | linux is always fun :P winterflaw_ |
| 17:20.45 | winterflaw_ | earlier today I got one of my other dev boards working, the power button had broken, so I spoke with one of the board designers and he told be to cut a particular pin coming out of the power switch - I went down to a jewelry repair shop, they did the honours, and now it boots :-) |
| 17:20.50 | winterflaw_ | fun!! :-) ;-) |
| 17:21.05 | jmcnaught | annadane: this is what it looks like when I do "apt show network-man<TAB><TAB>": https://termbin.com/k2ib |
| 17:21.06 | winterflaw_ | more like madness :-) |
| 17:21.32 | annadane | jmcnaught, i can post the full thing if you like, just that that one section jumped out at me |
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| 17:22.00 | quadrathoch2 | hehe winterflaw_ i see you are taking the time to repair stuff and get it working again ^^ good to hear :) |
| 17:22.06 | annadane | (also ignore my earlier question, was stupid) |
| 17:22.19 | annadane | about needing two different strace commands |
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| 17:22.34 | winterflaw_ | oh well kinda =-) only about 200 of the boards were made, I think, and it was 1300 USD |
| 17:22.44 | winterflaw_ | I bought it while I could, but I'm only coming to use it now |
| 17:22.47 | jmcnaught | annadane: I think that section is relevant, mine doesn't seem to look in ~/.local/share/bash-completion so why does yours? |
| 17:24.01 | annadane | now i'm doing ls .local/share/ <tab> i don't even have a .local/share/bash-completion directory |
| 17:24.24 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ better than never ;) |
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| 17:24.53 | annadane | bash-completion: /usr/share/bash-completion |
| 17:25.00 | winterflaw_ | very much so - I'm -very- excited it's up and running now! |
| 17:25.08 | winterflaw_ | can't wait to publish on it, new platform |
| 17:25.08 | annadane | that... is probably why i'm having issues |
| 17:25.14 | winterflaw_ | RISC-V |
| 17:25.47 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw_ nice :) so am a little afk, as I said just ping me if there are questions |
| 17:25.49 | annadane | so do i just need to tell bash-completion to stop looking in .local and look in /usr/share? |
| 17:25.57 | winterflaw_ | understood |
| 17:25.59 | winterflaw_ | thankyou :-) |
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| 17:29.08 | annadane | and why is it looking in /usr/local/share??? |
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| 17:29.41 | annadane | stat("/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=7096, ...}) = 0 is fine, as evident from the exit code |
| 17:29.44 | annadane | so it gets there eventually |
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| 17:29.55 | jim | just guessing, that sounds like a default |
| 17:29.57 | annadane | it just goes through a bunch of other directories first |
| 17:30.47 | jim | maybe that's a default too |
| 17:31.18 | annadane | what's easier? make a bash-completion directory in .local/share, or tell it to use the one in /usr/share instead? |
| 17:31.30 | annadane | but then the issue is all those other directories |
| 17:31.52 | annadane | IHNFC why it's doing this |
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| 17:32.01 | jim | what's the issue? |
| 17:32.03 | jmcnaught | annadane: it's weird that is uses it at all. What does your /etc/bash_completion say? |
| 17:32.27 | annadane | jmcnaught, . /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion |
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| 17:32.34 | jmcnaught | annadane: mine too |
| 17:32.42 | annadane | jim, slow apt show <tab tab> results or none at all |
| 17:32.58 | annadane | whereas ls <path> <tab tab> is fine |
| 17:33.15 | annadane | man <tab> is also pretty much instant |
| 17:33.30 | annadane | systemctl is also fine |
| 17:33.33 | jmcnaught | annadane: maybe it's something in your .bashrc or .profile, or if it happens with other users maybe /etc/profile.d or /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 17:33.59 | annadane | well, i do use lightdm so i know .profile isn't getting sourced and i never put anything in it myself manually in any case |
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| 17:36.43 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1152511/ |
| 17:37.09 | annadane | i tried to paste a paste.debian.net link and got yelled at by Sigyn |
| 17:37.18 | annadane | so, um. |
| 17:37.38 | annadane | it's p.d.n/1152511 |
| 17:38.22 | jmcnaught | Weird the original link showed up too, those files both look pretty standard though. |
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| 17:39.21 | jmcnaught | annadane: do you have a ~/.config/bash_completion? |
| 17:39.31 | annadane | jmcnaught, no |
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| 17:39.48 | annadane | is it worth it to try reinstalling bash? |
| 17:40.36 | jmcnaught | annadane: and/or the bash-completion package. Not sure what it would help, but can't hurt. |
| 17:40.53 | annadane | i'll try -completion first |
| 17:41.28 | annadane | jmcnaught, reinstalling bash-completion fixed it |
| 17:41.41 | annadane | shrugs |
| 17:41.42 | jmcnaught | annadane: awesome, I wonder why though? |
| 17:42.25 | NetTerminalGene | i removed unattended upgrade package to prevent auto update. but now, it checks updates automatically and downloads packages. i want to disable that behavior. how can i do that? |
| 17:42.47 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, ps aux | grep unattended and kill the process maybe |
| 17:43.13 | NetTerminalGene | in every boot? |
| 17:43.24 | NetTerminalGene | i believe there would be btetter way |
| 17:43.27 | annadane | no, should just be this time |
| 17:43.37 | annadane | sometimes processes remain even after you uninstall a package |
| 17:44.04 | NetTerminalGene | i want to disable downloading packages automatically |
| 17:44.22 | NetTerminalGene | package downloadings* |
| 17:44.23 | annadane | yes, and i just answered you to the best of my knowledge |
| 17:44.34 | annadane | unless someone else has a greater understanding of unattended-upgrades |
| 17:44.37 | NetTerminalGene | not enough. thanks |
| 17:44.59 | jmcnaught | NetTerminalGene: check "systemctl status apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer", you can also use systemctl disable on them. |
| 17:45.17 | NetTerminalGene | let me check |
| 17:46.41 | NetTerminalGene | jmcnaught, should i disable them? would it break my system? |
| 17:47.09 | NetTerminalGene | should i disable both of them? |
| 17:47.28 | jmcnaught | NetTerminalGene: you can inspect the corresponding .service units to see what they do, but disabling them shouldn't break the system. |
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| 17:47.48 | jmcnaught | NetTerminalGene: "systemctl --now disable apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer" should do it. |
| 17:49.28 | annadane | what's interesting is that now when i strace bash and tab a bunch i get basically no strace output at all |
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| 17:52.16 | NetTerminalGene | jmcnaught, how did you find those services? |
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| 17:53.27 | jmcnaught | NetTerminalGene: I can't remember how I discovered them initially, but they come from the apt package. "systemctl list-units -t timer" (or service) to see all the timers. |
| 17:53.53 | NetTerminalGene | jmcnaught, thanks. i disabled them |
| 17:53.59 | NetTerminalGene | i hope it works |
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| 18:07.13 | rapidwave | What is the package for 'ps' for Buster? |
| 18:07.19 | greycat | procps |
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| 18:08.08 | rapidwave | For crying out loud....this docker container using Buster says that package isn't available in repos |
| 18:08.13 | rapidwave | Damn thing cannot find anything |
| 18:08.24 | rapidwave | What is the best repo server to be using? |
| 18:08.29 | greycat | !buster sources.list |
| 18:08.29 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:08.32 | NetTerminalGene | does usb tethering works on debian buster by default? do i need to extra configure? |
| 18:09.00 | nkuttler | NetTerminalGene: worked for me, but i'm using networkmanager |
| 18:09.10 | NetTerminalGene | nkuttler, nice |
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| 18:10.10 | NetTerminalGene | nkuttler, did you make extra configuration in networkmanager? |
| 18:10.22 | nkuttler | no |
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| 18:10.26 | rapidwave | Looks like those are already the repo servers it is using |
| 18:10.27 | NetTerminalGene | great |
| 18:10.41 | greycat | did you run apt-get update? |
| 18:10.49 | rapidwave | I don't remember |
| 18:10.57 | greycat | well, run it... |
| 18:11.49 | jim | you may want to run apt update instead, it shows interesting info after it's done |
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| 18:15.35 | jim | greycat, is there any difference otherwise? |
| 18:15.36 | rapidwave | In ps output, does user come before group or other way around? |
| 18:16.02 | greycat | ps does not show groups |
| 18:16.15 | rapidwave | Okay. I'm just seeing it says "pool www" |
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| 18:17.17 | jim | rapidwave, what's the exact ps command line you're using? |
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| 18:17.31 | greycat | the output format depends on which options you use, but it's probable that you're simply seeing the name the process declares itself to have |
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| 18:22.56 | annadane | it's on oftc |
| 18:22.58 | annadane | not freenode |
| 18:23.18 | korner | hmmm ok |
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| 18:30.56 | korner | how outdated is bullseye? my stuff might work here but i aint sure of it |
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| 18:31.44 | Mathisen | bullseye is not outdated not ever stable yet :) |
| 18:31.49 | greycat | bullseye is not yet released |
| 18:31.50 | Mathisen | even* |
| 18:33.24 | annadane | jessie = oldoldstable stretch = oldstable buster = stable bullseye = testing sid = permanently unstable |
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| 18:34.04 | korner | cause i got broken dependencies on steam and my idea is that i might have to downgrade to bullseye |
| 18:35.36 | prompt32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.49 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 18:35.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 18:36.40 | greycat | You cannot "downgrade to bullseye". The only way that even has any conceptual meaning would be if you're running unstable. In which case you're in the wrong channel. But downgrading is not a thing. If you want to switch releases in the "backward" direction, you have to reinstall. |
| 18:36.40 | annadane | bookworm = nextnextstable ;) |
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| 18:37.00 | korner | shame, might have to resort to flatpak |
| 18:37.24 | winterflaw | My Buster seems to have a brand new problem with SD cards. If I insert a card, I can see in /var/log/messages it's been attached as /dev/sde, but it does not show up with lsblk, and so I cannot write to it with dd. This is completely new - I've been working with SD cards a lot the last few days and suddenly this new behaviour. Any thoughts? |
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| 18:39.08 | brutser | i use sshfs to mount a folder from my NAS, but i wonder, if i want to copy/backup files from my clients to the NAS, i guess i rather use a good ftp client right? instead of copying the files to the share by the local file system? |
| 18:39.40 | quadrathoch2 | why not scp brutser |
| 18:39.59 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw could you post the interesting part of that log file? |
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| 18:40.15 | winterflaw | for sure - one mo while I pastebin |
| 18:40.40 | brutser | quadrathoch2: well i use sshfs for other purpose too and it's nice to have a mounting point and just drag and drop files if needed |
| 18:41.06 | winterflaw | https://pastebin.com/32hm7ARp |
| 18:41.10 | quadrathoch2 | brutser there are GUI scp programs, but can't remember them right now :( |
| 18:41.16 | winterflaw | that's all the messages induced by card insertion |
| 18:41.41 | brutser | quadrathoch2: np, i will find |
| 18:41.55 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw there is literally no /dev/sde? |
| 18:42.12 | winterflaw | no - /dev/sde *is* there |
| 18:42.16 | winterflaw | but it is *not* listed by lsblk |
| 18:42.33 | winterflaw | dd sayeth "dd: failed to open '/dev/sde': No medium found" |
| 18:42.54 | winterflaw | I've been working with cards all yesterday and today |
| 18:43.12 | winterflaw | most recent thing I did, which was a bit different, was using LVM tools to try to get at a volumne in an LVM partition |
| 18:43.15 | winterflaw | but I've rebooted since then |
| 18:43.38 | winterflaw | I've tried two other cards, same behaviour |
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| 18:43.44 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw which wouldn't even interact with lsblk |
| 18:43.56 | winterflaw | right |
| 18:44.39 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw I assume testing another USB port was already done? (or maybe even another sd reader if that is possible) |
| 18:44.52 | winterflaw | Ah - it's a built-in device |
| 18:48.21 | quadrathoch2 | hm, could you verify maybe with a live usb if that is working and it's a software issue? |
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| 18:49.51 | winterflaw | that's a nice idea, but I can't write to an SD card so I can't make a live image to boot from - ironically, I was trying to write a live image when this happened :-) |
| 18:51.13 | winterflaw | I could put the card into my friends laptop and see what happens, but she left this morning for Hamburg for a few days =-) |
| 18:51.38 | winterflaw | well it's about bed time, so I may put this down till the morning |
| 18:52.13 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw at least Hamburg is a nice city :p |
| 18:52.23 | winterflaw | she says so :-) |
| 18:52.32 | quadrathoch2 | can confirm |
| 18:52.33 | winterflaw | I've only lived/been in Berlin, really |
| 18:52.51 | winterflaw | one of the problems of moving country a lot is you only really have time for the capital |
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| 18:54.02 | quadrathoch2 | if we want to talk more we should probably move to #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:56.17 | winterflaw | understood - not now for me though, sleep cometh |
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| 18:56.56 | quadrathoch2 | winterflaw then gn8 |
| 18:57.03 | winterflaw | thankyou :-) |
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| 19:18.39 | PETURBG | hi |
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| 19:19.47 | PETURBG | need help. yestarday person i dont remember his name; https://paolozaino.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/how-to-configure-bind-named-dns-to-forward-queries-to-quad9-via-tls/ but it comment |
| 19:19.58 | PETURBG | when i make dig myserver.com it comment: named[88383]: connection refused resolving 'bgzashtita.es/DS/IN': 127.0.0.1#8053 |
| 19:20.10 | PETURBG | and my server reuters.co |
| 19:24.13 | Sepultura | where can I download Debian Console Only ISO? |
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| 19:25.07 | greycat | !netinst |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:25.26 | greycat | Just un-check all of the "desktop environment" options. |
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| 19:31.19 | Sepultura | greycat, thx. It shall be a Debian for VM |
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| 19:34.26 | Sepultura | Now I will secure my VMs before first start |
| 19:34.49 | openface | i have change perms in / and also sudo not works it tells it's a part of world, how can i reset all perms (chmod/chown) for / in system from rescue? |
| 19:35.50 | greycat | what *exactly* did you do? did you change the perms on / only, or did you change them *recursively* starting from / and flowing down to every single thing? |
| 19:36.46 | openface | recursively |
| 19:37.10 | greycat | Make a backup of anything you think you can salvage. Reinstall. |
| 19:37.31 | openface | i cannot |
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| 19:38.11 | PETURBG | someone can hel https://paolozaino.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/how-to-configure-bind-named-dns-to-forward-queries-to-quad9-via-tls/ |
| 19:38.11 | openface | greycat: something with chmod -R 755 / ? |
| 19:38.28 | greycat | That is a beautiful example of what you should NEVER EVER DO. |
| 19:38.42 | greycat | There is no undoing that. |
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| 19:39.04 | PETURBG | quadrathoch2 are you online |
| 19:39.20 | PETURBG | what has happened with vm? and permission 755 |
| 19:39.25 | PETURBG | someone hack you ? |
| 19:39.43 | openface | greycat: then what can i do |
| 19:40.03 | greycat | Make a backup of anything you think you can salvage. Reinstall. |
| 19:40.06 | openface | greycat: do you think https://pastebin.com/FdEq5jFC this can help |
| 19:42.33 | openface | but i need to wait 2hrs |
| 19:44.32 | kreyren | hey greycat ^-^ |
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| 19:44.34 | sney | openface: the state your system is in, it's unlikely that you can make anything worse. so sure, try that script. but greycat is right, the only way you will have a normal system again is if you reinstall |
| 19:45.34 | greycat | He also cross-posted in #bash after I told him twice. I /ignored him but I think I was too lenient. |
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| 19:47.06 | mason | greycat: He's also evidently pursuing it in #ubuntu. |
| 19:47.32 | sney | just shotgunning a bunch of channels until he gets someone willing to spoonfeed the individual permissions for the whole FHS I guess |
| 19:47.34 | sney | a menace |
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| 19:47.56 | mason | There's an easy fix for his issue, of course. zfs rollback. =cough= |
| 19:47.58 | greycat | So he wants perms from some random Linux distribution that won't even match his? Stupid. |
| 19:49.57 | mezzo | how can he resist the call of a fresh netinst ? |
| 19:51.31 | sney | maybe it's someone else's system who foolishly gave him root access |
| 19:51.59 | mezzo | oh man... that would be bad |
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| 19:59.05 | mezzo | when I log in with irssi I join #debian-fr automatically but not #debian. Any reason why ? (I did the same settings "Yes" in the config file) |
| 19:59.13 | PETURBG | in mikrotik comment they can't help |
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| 19:59.50 | greycat | quit out of irssi and edit your .irssi/config file by hand until it's what you want |
| 20:00.05 | mezzo | I did |
| 20:01.02 | greycat | Is #debian-fr also +r? Are you using whatever auto-login crap is required to authenticate to nickserv before auto-joining channels? |
| 20:01.12 | PETURBG | vodafone is blocking port 53 for dns server someone know how to make it work. |
| 20:01.20 | mezzo | https://paste.debian.net/1152529/ |
| 20:01.36 | greycat | 16:01 mode/#debian-fr +nt |
| 20:01.43 | greycat | 16:01 mode/#debian +CLPcnrtlf 1213 #debian-overflow |
| 20:02.33 | mezzo | "09:04 (*) #debian Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
| 20:02.36 | mezzo | " |
| 20:02.52 | greycat | As I guessed. |
| 20:02.53 | mezzo | but I'm supposed to be identified |
| 20:03.03 | greycat | you are *now* |
| 20:03.08 | greycat | you weren't *then* |
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| 20:03.29 | mezzo | so it's just the few seconds delay ? |
| 20:03.31 | mezzo | damm |
| 20:04.27 | BalooRJ | I noticed in order to get identified properly in time to connect to #debian |
| 20:04.32 | BalooRJ | I had to connect with SASL |
| 20:04.34 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. (re-ask) Last night one thing lead to another when I found I had 185 packages in the dpkg -l list that were code rc. So, it was suggested that I run `aptitude purge ~c`. That command returned http://paste.debian.net/1152424. So, I ran `aptitude -f install`, and that returned http://paste.debian.net/1152426/. Then I had to go eat dinner and didn't come back. When I came back this morning, I ran two more suggestions, `apt-get -f |
| 20:04.34 | Lady_Aleena | install` which told me to run `apt autoremove`. That removed 1 package. I also ran `apt-cache policy` as suggested, and it returned a list of what I think is a list of urls sources. So what should I do next to clean up my system? |
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| 20:04.38 | BalooRJ | rather than using /msg nickserv identify |
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| 20:05.11 | mezzo | I use /msg nickserv identify of course :) |
| 20:05.15 | BalooRJ | not sure what client you're using mezzo but Hexchat supports logging into a server with SASL |
| 20:05.18 | mezzo | I'll check SASL |
| 20:05.27 | mezzo | I use irssi |
| 20:05.46 | r3 | I've found SASL to be a gamechanger |
| 20:05.56 | mezzo | thx |
| 20:06.47 | PETURBG | vodafone block port 53 is there way to make it work for authoratitave dns. |
| 20:06.53 | mezzo | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/irssi (we'll see at next boot :) |
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| 20:14.17 | jim | hi, I'm curious about the install process of a linux-image where more than one kernel is installed at the same time... it takes some time to set up one kernel package, and in the case of more than one kernel, it takes N times that long... is it possible to defer the step of doing the grub-update (and maybe other pieces, I dunno) until both kernels are unpacked? |
| 20:15.55 | jim | and then, I would think you'd only need to do the grub update once |
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| 20:31.10 | jim | debian is already generating the grub config as a result of getting triggered to do so by "triggers for initramfs-tools", so maybe the grub-update can be eliminated from the package setup process |
| 20:32.19 | greycat | well, the *wrong* way would be to move /usr/sbin/update-grub aside and replace it with a symlink to /bin/true |
| 20:32.26 | greycat | don't forget to move it back |
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| 20:43.17 | ueberall | Hi. Google Books pointed me to "The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques" (No Starch Press, 2005). Amazon[.de] tells me that there ought to be a second edition from October 2010 (pocket book, in English), but nostarch.com does not mention it. By chance, has anybody seen this 2010 edition? |
| 20:44.27 | sney | never heard of it. there's an official book called the debian administrator's handbook that has a more recent edition, if you're looking for any paper reference |
| 20:44.34 | sney | !handbook |
| 20:44.34 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 20:45.26 | PETURBG | so this si sney that try insult me in #mikrotik |
| 20:45.44 | sney | a debian reference from 2010 will still have some useful stuff in it but a lot will be outdated |
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| 20:46.35 | PETURBG | for this who use debian. how you are gonna feel when you ask help and sney that is in debian insult you too. this speak very bad for debian |
| 20:47.01 | sney | PETURBG: I think you will find that nobody cares, and nobody has the answers for the way that you imagine DNS works, either. I'm sorry you're cranky that all of the irc channels you've tried can't magically fix your isp so you can host your own public dns |
| 20:47.01 | ueberall | sney: I have that one, thanks. But from the Google Books preview I saw that the author of the above book actually discussed pbuilder along with some tips and tricks you might not find in the official documentation. |
| 20:47.05 | PETURBG | if i ask then this is culpit of peoples who lie in internet. |
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| 20:47.29 | PETURBG | sney you are cranky. you lack of respect other peoples. |
| 20:47.33 | sney | ueberall: ah, pbuilder is probably more suited to the NMG than an admin book |
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| 20:47.57 | sney | PETURBG: this is a support channel, if you insist on griefing then someone will ban you. just FYI. |
| 20:48.16 | PETURBG | sney this is a support channel, if you insist on griefing then someone will ban you. just FYI. |
| 20:48.33 | PETURBG | who is gonna ban is you. sney who give you rights to insult other peoples. |
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| 20:49.03 | ueberall | sney: Sorry, NMG=? Does not ring a bell. |
| 20:49.11 | sney | ueberall: new maintainer's guide. |
| 20:49.13 | sney | !nmg |
| 20:49.13 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 20:49.29 | PETURBG | blacklife matter and white live matter estern peoples. dont deserve peoples like you sney. |
| 20:49.32 | PETURBG | . |
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| 20:51.38 | sney | 2 slow |
| 20:51.39 | ueberall | sney: I see. That one I also have (and it's not much newer than the above book, hence my interest.) :) -- Well, maybe I'll just ask the publisher whether a second edition exists. Thanks again! |
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| 20:52.26 | sney | ueberall: no problem. #debian-mentors and #packaging on OFTC are also great resources for any package building questions |
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| 21:31.39 | jhutchins | I remember a lot of early documentation that said "if you don't know, ask your network administrator". Um, I am the network administrator and I don't know. |
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| 21:32.16 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, sounds like an infinite loop. |
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| 21:32.48 | dvs | and long as my printer is not on fire |
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| 21:32.59 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: I eventually got things figured out, but it was frustrating not being told how to discover something instead of "ask". |
| 21:33.36 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I'm having a similar problem today. |
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| 21:35.16 | annadane | that was the windows error messages too right? |
| 21:35.18 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: What's up? |
| 21:35.26 | annadane | something went wrong; contact your network administrator |
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| 21:35.48 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, my system is a disaster zone, and I don't know how to fix it. |
| 21:35.51 | jhutchins | annadane: Nah, that was the Microsoft training material. |
| 21:36.22 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Define disaster. |
| 21:36.23 | catharsis | rr/ |
| 21:36.26 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 21:36.49 | rander2 | hello |
| 21:37.05 | rander2 | I installed exim4 on a ubuntu 18.04 vps , I receave all mail, but the vps isn't able to send it |
| 21:37.19 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, how long have you been in the channel today? |
| 21:38.00 | jhutchins | Actively maybe 40 minutes. |
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| 21:38.27 | rander2 | a lady is rare here |
| 21:38.31 | rander2 | :D |
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| 21:39.03 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, so you couldn't've seen it. I'm almost afraid to post it again, it's only been 1 hour and 30 minutes since I posted it last. |
| 21:39.09 | jhutchins | So, why do you need to remove the packages? Is your system functional? |
| 21:39.40 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I wanted to clean up the ones that are listed in dpkg as rc. |
| 21:40.09 | rander2 | basically if I connect directly with nc hostname 25 , exim4 answer , but don't send mails. Instead receave correctly |
| 21:40.23 | Lady_Aleena | For all I know, I may have lost things I should have because of stray config files. |
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| 21:41.41 | jhutchins | Well, yaknow, backups. |
| 21:42.18 | jhutchins | I tend to stick pretty close to defaults in most cases so I don't have to track that many changes. |
| 21:42.21 | Lady_Aleena | Last night while the rc packages were being discussed, someone mentioned only having 2. I have over 150 of them. |
| 21:42.43 | jim | greycat, it's the wrong way, agreed: /usr/sbin/update-grub has to be called by the trigger |
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| 21:42.47 | jhutchins | That sounds like an unfinished version upgrade. |
| 21:42.55 | quadrathoch2 | it shouldn't be bad, it really depends on how much you installed and removed again Lady_Aleena |
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| 21:43.26 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, and I don't know if dpkg is reading just sda or if it is also reading sdb too. |
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| 21:43.51 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: If your goal is learning about the OS, I would suggest a clean install. If you just need your computer to do work, don't sweat it. |
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| 21:44.13 | Lady_Aleena | If dpkg is reading both sda and sdb, then things will get very complicated. sdb has an old broken jessie on it. |
| 21:44.18 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: A fairly complete OS install is less than 40GB, so you shouldn't worry about space. |
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| 21:44.35 | greycat | !ubuntu |
| 21:44.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 21:44.56 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I'm not worried about space. |
| 21:44.58 | greycat | rander2: please take Ubuntu questions to #ubuntu. |
| 21:45.59 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, with 317Gb free, I don't think I will need to worry about space for a long while. |
| 21:46.38 | Lady_Aleena | Also, if I do a good enough backup, I could just install my 2 new 1Tb hard drives. |
| 21:49.16 | jhutchins | Clean installs are good. Revisiting what's important for you to modify can be beneficial. You can make backups of your config files. |
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| 21:49.42 | Lady_Aleena | My biggest current worry right now is the idea that while what I did last night might not be affecting my system now, but what about after a reboot? |
| 21:49.48 | jhutchins | I usually image the OS portion of my system and my $HOME so I can copy any configs I don't remember. |
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| 21:50.16 | jhutchins | I usually image the OS portion of my system and my $HOME so I can copy any configs I don't remember. |
| 21:50.23 | Lady_Aleena | Twice even. |
| 21:50.26 | Lady_Aleena | 8) |
| 21:50.31 | jhutchins | That might be a better use for those drives. |
| 21:50.37 | jhutchins | Yeah, backup post. |
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| 21:50.49 | Lady_Aleena | giggles. |
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| 21:51.11 | Lady_Aleena | I needed the chuckle jhutchins. I've been having a bad day. |
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| 21:52.22 | Lady_Aleena | So, I will just leave the packages with the rc codes alone and go along like they don't matter for now since they don't SEEM to be doing anything bad. All they are doing is taking up a little bit of space on my hard drive. |
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| 21:56.26 | r3 | <jhutchins> I usually image the OS portion of my system and my $HOME so I can copy any configs I don't remember. |
| 21:56.27 | r3 | (cloud storage backup) |
| 21:56.41 | jhutchins | r3: I own my cloud. |
| 21:57.04 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Yeah, spend your time and effort on actual problems, dig into the issue some other day. |
| 21:57.06 | r3 | not the bit where your comment is now stored! Ha! ;) |
| 21:57.25 | jhutchins | r3: Well, actually, that too, but yeah. |
| 22:00.10 | Lady_Aleena | Fardles! I don't have a removable drive big enough for my $HOME. |
| 22:00.33 | rander2 | by default aws block outgoing 25 tcp port ? how may I do to test it ? |
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| 22:07.08 | karlpinc | rander2: telnet to port 25 of some smtp server? |
| 22:07.56 | rander2 | karlpinc, yes it go |
| 22:08.13 | rander2 | karlpinc, but not from vps |
| 22:09.40 | rander2 | basically from vps : nc localhost 25 go , instead nc FQDN 25 no |
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| 22:10.01 | rander2 | from remote : nc FQDN 25 go |
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| 22:18.35 | Buliarous | Can anyone point me to documentation on how to mount external hard drives in a stable and consistent way, I know that's a loaded question, but just looking for best practices? my method of just mount /dev/sdd1 temp or whatever just isn't cutting it anymore |
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| 22:20.02 | dvs | Buliarous, is it the same hard drive each time? |
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| 22:21.56 | Buliarous | dvs: yeah I have probably ten, and i usually just run a shell script to mount them all (sort of a nas i guess...) additionally Ive had problems in the past mounting them with fstab and then my comp won't boot in some cases but dunno if that's tangential |
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| 22:23.15 | dvs | Buliarous, oh, I was going to say put it in /etc/fstab and specify to mount it on pass 2 |
| 22:23.31 | metbsd | Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.UnitMasked: Unit -.mount is masked. |
| 22:23.38 | metbsd | got this error when i apt update |
| 22:24.11 | Buliarous | dvs: I look into that maybe mounting in pass 1 was my problem? |
| 22:25.01 | dvs | Buliarous, maybe not but pass 1 are for devices that are cruicial to boot up the system |
| 22:26.06 | Buliarous | dvs: is there a way to not cause a failure to boot if it can't mount the drives for whatever reason? |
| 22:26.49 | dvs | not that I know of |
| 22:27.45 | dvs | Buliarous, the man page says that there is a "nofail" option |
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| 22:31.11 | jhutchins | Buliarous: Sren't thinking of *wired* ethernet? |
| 22:31.38 | jhutchins | Buliarous: start by using the UUID in the FSTAB, list each one. |
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| 22:43.16 | jhutchins | Sorry for the weird paste. |
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| 22:59.12 | b1ack0p | sup |
| 23:06.43 | Abrax | yo |
| 23:09.31 | Abrax | blackop |
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| 23:12.41 | b1ack0p | yo Abrax |
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| 23:14.04 | dD_ | I need to run a 32 bit app on a live debian USB (it's the kingston firmware updater). I tried add-architecture and then run update, and I'm trying to run a compiled file but when I run it I get a no such file or directory. Not sure how to get the dependencies needed to install or what I should do. |
| 23:14.40 | sney | dD_: is the file +x? |
| 23:16.32 | dD_ | sney: yes, and the error I'm getting is not the same error I'd get if the file didn't exist. I'm guessing the no such file or directory is an error that comes from the executable |
| 23:16.35 | sney | you don't need to do anything with apt to run a 32-bit x86 binary on a 64-bit system |
| 23:17.00 | sney | try 'ldd /path/to/app' |
| 23:17.34 | dD_ | "not a dynamic executable" |
| 23:18.16 | sney | ok, so it's probably a shell script with some binary crap tacked onto the bottom. can you 'head' it to check? |
| 23:20.19 | dD_ | sney: sorry, but I'm a little confused. It has several dependencies, but none of those dependencies would probably be installed on the live USB |
| 23:20.28 | dD_ | sney: it appears it's a full binary |
| 23:20.35 | dD_ | not a script file with some binary stuff |
| 23:20.46 | dD_ | perhaps the "no such file or directory" comes from not finding the dependencies? |
| 23:20.52 | sney | that's why we did ldd |
| 23:21.07 | sney | but if it's not a script and it's not dynamic, then it should be statically compiled with everything it needs |
| 23:21.30 | sney | is there a readme or something? do you have any idea of what the dependencies are? |
| 23:21.35 | dD_ | Yes |
| 23:21.43 | dD_ | Hold on |
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| 23:22.45 | dD_ | There's about 30 library files but I think the name of the dependencies are for another distribution (maybe arch? ) since I couldn't apt get them. Should I search one by one until I find them? Or what would be the best route. https://gitlab.com/vinibali/kingston_fw_updater |
| 23:24.12 | sney | ah. yeah, that's a mess. use apt-file to determine the package names for those libs. some of them will be in the same package |
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| 23:25.11 | dD_ | as in: sudo apt-file libc? |
| 23:25.33 | sney | apt-file doesn't need sudo because it's just search. apt-file search the whole filename. e.g. apt-file search libjpeg.so.62 |
| 23:25.40 | dD_ | k |
| 23:25.54 | dD_ | this firmware upgrade better work :| |
| 23:26.02 | OWFI | Hi Guys, I would like to request some help related with GDM3 and Bugdie customization, is there somebody who can help me about how to change the Login and Lock Screen? I have Debian 10 installed. Thanks. |
| 23:26.03 | sney | you can also query one of the channel bots, /msg judd file libjpeg.so.62 |
| 23:26.59 | dD_ | libc.so.6 |
| 23:27.01 | dD_ | libdl.so.2 |
| 23:27.03 | dD_ | libexpat.so.1 |
| 23:27.05 | dD_ | libfontconfig.so.1 |
| 23:27.07 | dD_ | libfreetype.so.6 |
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| 23:27.43 | sney | amazing |
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| 23:28.17 | dD_ | fuck, so sorry i didn't want to do that |
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| 23:29.40 | OWFI | :-( |
| 23:31.56 | OWFI | I got stucked because I followed lot of processes but none of them worked, I don't know what file to edit to finally change the gray picture of lhe login screen |
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| 23:33.22 | sney | !readme.debian |
| 23:33.22 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 23:33.40 | sney | OWFI: ^ this for gdm3 might point you in the right direction. I don't use gdm3 but just a guess. |
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| 23:36.30 | OWFI | sney, I checked multiple fonts, last time it worked, but I reinstalled Debian because an Issue, and then when I tried to configure it like last time... it didn't worked :( |
| 23:37.21 | sney | OWFI: none of that means anything out of context. if you want help you will need to provide more details for those of us who can't see your screen. |
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| 23:41.01 | OWFI | I have now installed 2 desktop enviroment, GDM3 and Budgie, both has Gnome libraries and that's why is nice to work with them, when I customize the Grub, Login and Lock wallpaper I usually accessed to the themes folders and changed just the file and worked, but now I don't know why the default Debian screen (gray) appears besides I applied all the changes as multiple videos and guides showed. |
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| 23:47.03 | sney | OWFI: do not private message people without asking. keep all questions in the channel. |
| 23:47.32 | OWFI | Oh sorry |
| 23:48.25 | OWFI | :'( |
| 23:48.42 | sney | anyway, as I said, I don't use gdm3. I don't really know anything about it. if you have a specific question about a specific config file or something specific you tried, I can help you figure out the next step. |
| 23:49.23 | sney | but I don't magically know the details of whatever video or guide you remember looking at, or what files you changed, etc. |
| 23:53.30 | OWFI | If you access to the path /etc/alternatives here you find multiple files, but You also are able to find the following files: desktop-login-background, desktop-grub, desktop-background. THose files are in svg extension, I made the corresponding changes, the Grub picture works fine, but the other ones not, and I don't know why it didn't work this time. |
| 23:56.31 | sney | you should be using galternatives or update-alternatives to change those. |
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| 23:58.50 | dD_ | sney: so I've been searching one by one but i cannot find libpng12 anywhere |
