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| 00:00.16 | nkuttler | needs special configuration for the backlight control, and i use aumix and xbacklight |
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| 00:04.14 | ts1k | nkuttler: OK, thnx! |
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| 00:57.53 | lenswipe | hey folks |
| 00:58.13 | lenswipe | i have a newly installed debian system here that can't/won't boot. |
| 00:58.22 | lenswipe | no bootable media can be fond |
| 00:58.25 | lenswipe | found* |
| 00:58.36 | lenswipe | i suspect GRUB may be missing from the MBR |
| 00:58.41 | lenswipe | how do i fix that? |
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| 01:04.46 | tds | lenswipe: boot into your preferred recovery media (eg a debian install cd would do), then chroot in and grub-install to the drive |
| 01:05.00 | lenswipe | im in a debian live env right now |
| 01:05.13 | lenswipe | tds, the only thing is that the debian install is encrypted LVM. does that matter? |
| 01:05.34 | tds | what kind of live env exactly? |
| 01:05.51 | tds | and it'll make mounting a bit more fiddly before you chroot, but should be ok |
| 01:09.17 | lenswipe | tds, just the default debian env that comes with the installer |
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| 01:09.25 | tds | ah, ok |
| 01:09.30 | lenswipe | tds, how do i chroot in to the encrypted LVM? |
| 01:09.37 | tds | that's pretty minimal, but I think you'll probably have the right LVM bits |
| 01:09.52 | tds | the installer should guide you through it if you boot into recovery mode or whatever it's called |
| 01:11.08 | lenswipe | oh, so i need to boot into recovery, not the live env? |
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| 01:14.52 | tds | unless you want to do all the chrooting etc by hand, yeah, that's probably your best option |
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| 01:16.09 | lenswipe | i dont have a recovery option |
| 01:16.27 | lenswipe | i have live, live with localization, graphical installer, installer and installer with speech synthesis |
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| 01:18.56 | metbsd | so the backports kernel can't get my wifi card to work |
| 01:19.19 | metbsd | i tried both firmware from backports and normal source |
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| 01:20.33 | metbsd | and nvidia primus works |
| 01:20.41 | metbsd | with backport kernel |
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| 01:21.32 | nvz | metbsd: does it just sit around on your couch all day? |
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| 01:22.38 | metbsd | no i put archlinux on it |
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| 01:23.54 | nvz | wanders off at a loss for words |
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| 01:27.05 | lenswipe | tds, is there a boot param i can add to the live image to kick it into recovery mode? |
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| 01:48.48 | lenswipe | Hey folks |
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| 01:48.57 | lenswipe | anyone know how to get into a debian recovery env? |
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| 01:50.07 | sney | in the grub menu, select 'advanced options' then select 'rescue mode' |
| 01:50.26 | sney | if you didn't set a root password, use a rescue liveusb like grml |
| 01:53.26 | lenswipe | sney, i cant get to the grub menu, i installed debian, but somehow didn't install GRUB |
| 01:53.41 | lenswipe | im using a live image and i've managed to get into the shell on there...does that work? |
| 01:53.45 | lenswipe | oh, and my disk is encrypted LVM |
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| 01:57.11 | sney | lenswipe: ok, I don't know how you managed to not install grub, but as long as you know your luks passkey you should be able to chroot into the system still. I don't remember the sequence of commands but it should all be here: https://wiki.debian.org/LVM |
| 01:57.28 | sney | lenswipe: it's not super straightforward though. so if this is a fresh install, it may be quicker to start over |
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| 01:58.24 | sney | and don't use 'expert mode' in the installer unless you know exactly what you're doing, and when you get to the 'install bootloader' step make *sure* that the device it's installing grub to is your hard drive and not the usb stick you're installing from. |
| 01:59.04 | lenswipe | sney, I didn't use expert mode |
| 01:59.06 | sney | and don't remove the installer usb while installing either. that causes important components to not be loaded, even if you do it at a step where you're just sitting at the menu. d-i doesn't load everything at once. |
| 01:59.27 | lenswipe | for now, im about to blow away the installed system and try a basic yes yes yes yes next next etc. install |
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| 01:59.37 | lenswipe | see if i can at least get _something_ to boot |
| 01:59.40 | Disavowed | That reminds me - I should really back up my LUKS key. How hard is that to do? |
| 02:00.14 | sney | it's one of the first things on that wiki page and appears to be 1 command |
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| 02:00.59 | tds | lenswipe: oh, missed that - going back a bit, if you're still trying to boot an installer into rescue, you want rescue/enable=true on the kernel cmdline |
| 02:01.11 | tds | though the bootloader should normally present you with it as a menu option |
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| 02:05.21 | lenswipe | tds, sney so i just re-installed a plain jane next next next debian |
| 02:05.21 | lenswipe | and it still can't boot |
| 02:05.21 | lenswipe | and this time i definitely installed GRUB to the MBR |
| 02:05.43 | tds | dumb question - this machine is definitely configured to BIOS/MBR boot, not using EFI? |
| 02:06.05 | sney | what's the hardware? and what happens when you try, does the efi just say "no OS found" or something? |
| 02:06.06 | lenswipe | it used to be EFI, i turned that off afaik |
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| 02:06.20 | lenswipe | "Boot mode is set to: LEGACY EXTERNAL DEVICES; SECURE BOOT IS OFF" |
| 02:06.30 | nvz | some machines will stubbornly keep re-enabling it |
| 02:06.40 | nvz | they consider you turning it off to be a one-shot kinda directive |
| 02:06.50 | tds | oh, is this a dell machine? |
| 02:06.54 | lenswipe | tds, yeah |
| 02:07.03 | tds | i don't think you can bios boot off the internal storage at all |
| 02:07.05 | sney | debian 10 fully supports both efi and secure boot, so you may as well leave it on defaults |
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| 02:07.08 | tds | at least on the one i poked a while back |
| 02:07.09 | lenswipe | tds, you can and i have done |
| 02:07.20 | lenswipe | this was working until a power surge killed the machine and dell replaced the mobo, storage, battery and power brick |
| 02:07.34 | sney | twitches |
| 02:07.55 | lenswipe | sney, ? |
| 02:07.58 | sney | if they're anything like when I was a dell warranty tech, you probably have the same mobo with a reflash |
| 02:08.07 | lenswipe | no, the mobo was completely effed |
| 02:08.08 | sney | or a busted ass refurb one from the pile |
| 02:08.12 | lenswipe | apparently completely and totally fried |
| 02:08.22 | lenswipe | and this is a work machine with an onsite dell tech, so...hopefully not |
| 02:08.47 | lenswipe | but for now i just cannot get this feckin thing to boot |
| 02:08.53 | sney | :x well anyway, try it in efi mode. again debian fully supports that so you shouldn't need to turn it off |
| 02:09.03 | tds | ^^ |
| 02:09.09 | lenswipe | i did the install in EFI mode |
| 02:09.14 | lenswipe | can i just enable it? |
| 02:09.22 | lenswipe | err |
| 02:09.24 | lenswipe | in non efi mode |
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| 02:09.42 | tds | you can't sensibly add EFI to an existing install without repartitioning in most cases |
| 02:09.44 | nvz | its not really that simple an ESP partition need be created, a different bootloader, etc |
| 02:09.49 | tds | for a fresh install, it's definitely easier to just reinstall |
| 02:09.56 | sney | turn on efi mode, boot the installer in efi mode, and install debian |
| 02:10.21 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:10.33 | lenswipe | fwiw, theres no boot options listed in my BIOS config rn |
| 02:10.42 | lenswipe | if i click view it says "No filesystem found" |
| 02:10.42 | dvs | did the MBR to EFI the hard way this week |
| 02:11.09 | nvz | rather stick a feather in his hat and call it macaroni :P |
| 02:11.09 | lenswipe | i hate EFI so much |
| 02:11.21 | dvs | I don't mind it |
| 02:11.22 | tds | having found a random photo of that dell efi online, https://i.imgur.com/KHhWpL4.jpg - it really looks like it doesn't like BIOS booting off internal drives |
| 02:11.41 | lenswipe | dvs, it's a HUGE pain in the ass for anything other than windows...which i suspect was the point |
| 02:11.54 | tds | how so? |
| 02:12.05 | nvz | yeah I have a HP T520 Thin Client that is like this.. it /will/ boot normally off internal media, but it doesnt /like/ to |
| 02:12.17 | tds | installers have got good, it largely just works, the tooling isn't terrible |
| 02:12.31 | lenswipe | can i turn on secure boot? |
| 02:12.35 | dvs | no |
| 02:12.37 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:12.41 | dvs | that I turned off |
| 02:12.55 | dvs | they do have signed kernels but I don't bother with them. |
| 02:13.02 | lenswipe | but boot listoption is legacy external devices or UEFI |
| 02:13.05 | sney | secure boot is also supported but it does vary on the hardware |
| 02:13.10 | sney | uefi is what you want |
| 02:13.11 | lenswipe | it should be set to UEFI right? |
| 02:13.13 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 02:13.15 | nvz | or rather I believe the thin client is the other way around, it doesnt like booting off eternal media :P |
| 02:13.19 | dvs | UEFI doesn't require secure boot |
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| 02:13.44 | sney | I don't think I have any legacy machines left. |
| 02:13.56 | nvz | secure boot is a whole other nightmare.. requires signed binaries and crap |
| 02:13.56 | lenswipe | there's also that goddamn dell dock that's the bain of my life |
| 02:13.58 | lenswipe | TB16 |
| 02:14.07 | dvs | is in the process of getting rid of his 2008 machine |
| 02:14.10 | lenswipe | nvz, maybe its secure boot that im slagging off |
| 02:14.27 | sney | oop, I guess this one I'm on is legacy. it's still fast enough dangit |
| 02:15.32 | sney | secure boot is the component that only supported windows when it was brand new, so all the linux people had a conspiracy theory that it was intended to drive linux out of the market. that's not how it works, but the conspiracy remains as they do |
| 02:15.55 | lenswipe | so right now in the bios setup it says Boot mode is set to UEFI; Secure boot: Off |
| 02:16.05 | sney | it's a little annoying to use but it does make it harder for drivers to have security exploits. |
| 02:16.09 | sney | lenswipe: that should work fine. |
| 02:16.19 | lenswipe | okay, so ill do the install again |
| 02:19.08 | lenswipe | okay |
| 02:19.23 | lenswipe | in UEFI mode the installer can't see the disk |
| 02:19.29 | lenswipe | it just sees the USB stick |
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| 02:20.20 | sney | hmm |
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| 02:22.02 | sney | when you got the new motherboard, did you check if the efi was up to date? if it really was a new one from old stock it might be on the original revision |
| 02:22.28 | lenswipe | i did not |
| 02:22.34 | lenswipe | what do you mean? |
| 02:22.38 | lenswipe | do you mean like updating the BIOS? |
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| 02:23.11 | lenswipe | fwiw - this is a work machine, so i didn't get to touch the hardware - i just gave it to the field techs and they took it away and did stuff with it |
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| 02:23.48 | sney | yeah like updating the bios. |
| 02:24.01 | lenswipe | so i should update the BIOS? |
| 02:24.05 | lenswipe | no, i did not do that |
| 02:24.08 | lenswipe | it's currently on 1.13.1 |
| 02:24.11 | lenswipe | latest version is 1.14 |
| 02:24.25 | sney | update it and try again |
| 02:24.37 | lenswipe | doesnt that need windows? |
| 02:24.46 | sney | sometimes they have a bootable standalone thing |
| 02:24.55 | lenswipe | i believe dell ship an .exe |
| 02:24.58 | lenswipe | :| |
| 02:24.59 | sney | there are also windows PE live usb images online that you can use for stuff like that |
| 02:25.15 | sney | that's out of the scope of #debian but they are easy to find |
| 02:25.42 | lenswipe | thx |
| 02:36.13 | lenswipe | sney, gah, you have to install the windows deployment kit or whatever to get it |
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| 02:36.30 | lenswipe | why the hell can't MS just ship ISO images for this stuff? |
| 02:37.43 | lenswipe | holy hell, it requires 6GB |
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| 02:55.20 | nvz | lenswipe: do you have a link to the .exe for the flash? |
| 02:55.32 | lenswipe | sure |
| 02:56.03 | nvz | I could take a look at it, if I had a link.. I never needed windows of any kind or anything from microsoft to use such things |
| 02:56.40 | nvz | hell once I pxe booted such a utility :P |
| 02:57.16 | lenswipe | one sec |
| 02:57.55 | lenswipe | https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/latitude-14-7490-laptop/drivers |
| 03:00.07 | sney | no wdk required, first google result https://www.geckoandfly.com/32030/bootable-windows-pe-recovery-repair/ |
| 03:01.00 | lenswipe | so, i don't need all this crap i just installed? |
| 03:01.09 | sney | should have mentioned they weren't official MS stuff, sorry |
| 03:01.35 | lenswipe | np |
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| 03:08.07 | nvz | hmm.. well.. that one doesn't seem to run in "dos mode" |
| 03:08.40 | nvz | it does however contain a 10mb binary data file I assume is the actual BIOS/EFI itself |
| 03:09.30 | nvz | since I dont have windows and it doesnt run in wine/crossover I can't tell what else it may contain.. like if its a flash utility itself or if it just makes a bootable flash media |
| 03:10.11 | alexrelis[m] | Speaking of which, is there a tried-and-true way of creating Windows 10 installation media? |
| 03:10.11 | alexrelis[m] | All I know of is this tutorial: https://itsfoss.com/bootable-windows-usb-linux/ |
| 03:10.14 | nvz | "The Universal (Windows/MS DOS) format can be used to install from any Windows or MS DOS environment." |
| 03:10.19 | nvz | is not true.. |
| 03:10.34 | nvz | if it were true, it'd run in freedos/dosbox or such |
| 03:10.36 | alexrelis[m] | installation media on Debian*** |
| 03:11.43 | nvz | thats way offtopic here, but the file is downloadable by anyone without providing information like an email or product key, from microsoft.com and its written exactly like debian media, to a thumbdrive using cp win10.iso /dev/sdc or such |
| 03:11.48 | nvz | has done it |
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| 03:14.40 | alexrelis[m] | Thank you. I believe dd didn't work last time I tried it, believe it or not. Copying the files manually within the ISO did though. |
| 03:15.24 | nvz | yeah well there are plenty of reasons such can fail.. with any media, but thats how I did it when an update MS insisted my mother install, ruined her computer |
| 03:15.47 | nvz | dd isn't needed anymore, cp works just fine.. |
| 03:18.11 | dvs | with no sync?!? |
| 03:18.32 | nvz | yes, not unmounting automounted media first, or not doing sync after are common reasons it can fail |
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| 03:22.02 | ryouma | i never do automounting for anything that cannot unmount the same |
| 03:22.06 | lenswipe | nvz, so what do you suggest |
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| 03:23.36 | nvz | lenswipe: idk.. I wouldnt take any advice from me right now.. I'm tired.. and I haven't touched windows or a bios flash utility in a long time. |
| 03:23.43 | lenswipe | fair enough |
| 03:23.48 | lenswipe | maybe this is one for tomorrow |
| 03:24.10 | nvz | I dont see anything in the description of that update that suggests it would solve any problem you're having |
| 03:24.24 | nvz | and frankly I hate how they fail to provide useful changelogs on such things |
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| 03:24.35 | nvz | says it addresses a couple security issues.. |
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| 03:25.15 | nvz | I always saw bios flashing as an absolute last resort.. |
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| 04:00.52 | Abrax | what is the sup? |
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| 04:05.36 | nvz | ? |
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| 04:06.18 | nvz | dpkg, sup? |
| 04:06.18 | dpkg | Sup is a console mail user agent written in Ruby, intended for people with a lot of email. Inspired by <mutt> and <Gmail>. Packaged for Debian as sup-mail. http://sup.rubyforge.org/ #sup on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:07.28 | nvz | fist-bumps dpkg |
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| 04:07.38 | annadane | rumour has it, sup is sup-sup-suppertime! Or supybot. Or soup with a lisp. Or a dumb catch phrase. Also ask me about <hey you're not a bot, what happened to dpkg?>. |
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| 04:07.49 | Abrax | killed buffer? |
| 04:08.06 | Abrax | hah |
| 04:08.50 | annadane | (and yes that is rumour with a u, the correct spelling) |
| 04:09.01 | nvz | tosses annadane a pillow to bop themselves with since they're feelin motivated |
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| 04:10.42 | nvz | s/ves/f/ |
| 04:10.55 | nvz | doesnt know why he's trying to be PC all of a sudden |
| 04:11.35 | Unit193 | Note: Supybot is deprecated and has been removed, use limnoria (available in backports!) instead. |
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| 04:12.09 | nvz | is so non-PC he just had to lookup "themself" cause he didn't think it was actually a word |
| 04:12.33 | annadane | ,v limnoria |
| 04:12.34 | judd | Package: limnoria on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.01.10-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2019.02.23-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.02.23-1+deb10u1; buster-backports: 2020.04.11-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2020.04.11-1; sid: 2020.04.11-1 |
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| 04:13.45 | nvz | yes I can personally vouch for the limnoria support.. they are very helpful and quite active |
| 04:14.25 | nvz | though despite liking python, I find limnoria to be a rather hot mess |
| 04:14.47 | nvz | but I suppose thats what happens when you make a bot that does EVERYTHING |
| 04:16.59 | annadane | i just checked judd because in my semi comatose state i thought Unit193 was saying it was only in backports and i thought "surely not" |
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| 04:17.15 | nvz | yeah I got the same from that |
| 04:17.22 | nvz | but I knew that wasnt the case.. |
| 04:17.29 | nvz | and was just confused |
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| 04:18.30 | nvz | but my brain is still trippin on "themself" |
| 04:18.54 | nvz | sounds like something a foreigner would say that would make natives cringe |
| 04:19.46 | nvz | kinda like how I feel when people who seem to speak spanish fail to recognize vosotros.. |
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| 04:22.47 | nvz | them to me implies more than one.. self implies one.. which is the same reason I can't understand westerners saying nosotros/ellos forms for vosotros forms.. the former is a "we" them plus me, the latter, is just them.. not me |
| 04:23.01 | Unit193 | nvz: That's all fine, but hardly related to Debian support.. |
| 04:23.47 | nvz | Unit193: well my code isnt on any version control, but does seem to have a vulnerability for a far amount of tangental rantation :P |
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| 04:24.03 | nvz | fair* |
| 04:25.05 | annadane | "keep the channel on topic or we begin killing hostages" |
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| 04:34.40 | cybercrypto | swift110: are you using gnome, kde or? (the answer for your question is mostly: yes, ou can use wobbly windows effect. |
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| 04:59.52 | alexrelis[m] | swift110: If you're using kwin or compiz, then yes. |
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| 05:17.16 | swift110 | cool |
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| 07:37.26 | zeroed | Hello. If someone is in the need of using GoogleChrome and really would like to avoid a system-wide install, and unpacking the .deb results in an executable (sandboxed) that claims "The setuid sandbox is not running as root.", would building a chroot for it makes any sense? (disclaimer: I am not yet familiar with it). Thank you in advance |
| 07:37.48 | zeroed | *make |
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| 08:43.43 | alexrelis[m] | Any reason why you would need Chrome over Chromium? |
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| 08:45.25 | RoyK | probably not |
| 08:45.32 | this_paradis | I don't remember exactly why, but there are proprietary parts in Chrome |
| 08:46.26 | RoyK | this_paradis: which you most likely don't need |
| 08:47.09 | this_paradis | yeah |
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| 09:48.31 | hwm4rgs | chrome has more codecs than chromium, chrome has a flash implementation, chrome has automatic google-provided updates (sort of moot on lignux) |
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| 10:16.33 | mindlessmiss | hey guys I'm trying to connect a coupple of devices over bluetooth. I have a cheap small BT usb reciever. It discovers my devices but always says "connection to the device failed". any suggestions? |
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| 10:17.25 | mindlessmiss | Linux debianASUSbox 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux and I have tried connecting to myamazon echo and my xiaomi phone. |
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| 10:23.26 | sercan | sercan selam |
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| 10:30.34 | netvixtra | salami og melk? |
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| 11:06.32 | Haohmaru | dpkg sup? |
| 11:06.33 | dpkg | Sup is a console mail user agent written in Ruby, intended for people with a lot of email. Inspired by <mutt> and <Gmail>. Packaged for Debian as sup-mail. http://sup.rubyforge.org/ #sup on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:06.49 | Haohmaru | no bruh |
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| 11:18.26 | Ede|Popede | !gmail |
| 11:18.26 | dpkg | Gmail is a webmail service from <Google> that still does not support konqueror ... See also <reportbug>, <gmailfs>, <ssmtp>. |
| 11:18.38 | Ede|Popede | together these 2 factoids look really odd |
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| 12:52.30 | polk | hi, I've got a user that would like to have no password and no login prompt either. how to achieve that? last Debian + LXQT |
| 12:53.51 | polk | no password thing can be omitted if auto login works I assume |
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| 13:04.01 | Haohmaru | polk i think you can do that from the login manager (or at least in some of them) |
| 13:04.33 | Haohmaru | i think lightdm can do it, you gotta setup a default user and autologin or something like that |
| 13:05.27 | polk | Haohmaru, during install it didn't allow to leave user pass blank or disable it somehow |
| 13:05.50 | Haohmaru | nonono.. the user itself has a password |
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| 13:06.15 | Haohmaru | the login manager just.. tosses you into a session logged in as that user.. it's weird |
| 13:06.25 | Haohmaru | i hope i'm not imagining it but i think it's doable |
| 13:08.07 | this_paradis | user password can be removed |
| 13:09.02 | this_paradis | just remove the hash in the shadow file |
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| 13:29.20 | RuGaL | I have forget my shell passwd |
| 13:30.24 | joepublic | RuGaL, recovery procedures depend on your shell provider and what control panel they use. |
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| 13:32.45 | RuGaL | ok |
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| 13:41.34 | f3r70rr35f | hellou |
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| 13:46.00 | f3r70rr35f | is there a way to tell apt to use a specific iface to do update? ... it seems to be trying over a connectionless iface that im using to other stuff |
| 13:46.00 | Abrax | lupricon? |
| 13:46.02 | Abrax | was that |
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| 13:50.42 | Xalys | When upgrading from Stretch to Buster, should one do 'apt upgrade' and then 'apt full-upgrade' or just 'apt full-upgrade' once? |
| 13:50.53 | Xalys | Many tutorials state first urnning upgrade, then full-upgrade, but I don't understand why |
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| 13:59.26 | quadrathoch2 | Xalys make sure your system is updated, and then run only full-upgrade |
| 14:00.45 | this_paradis | full-upgrade removes packages |
| 14:01.23 | this_paradis | dist-upgrade I meant |
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| 14:11.14 | nvz | afaik dist-upgrade is deprecated in apt, and full-upgrade is the same thing.. and the difference between upgrade and full-upgrade is only a matter of the policy apt follows when doing the upgrade.. the full-upgrade allows it to do more things like remove packages if need be to satisfy the upgrade |
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| 14:13.10 | nvz | in other news, I think they did this whole diff thing to address possible bandwidth issues, but downloading a bunch of small files in practice, for me, takes much longer than downloaing on big one |
| 14:13.37 | nvz | the pdiffs on update that is |
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| 14:15.23 | nvz | its taking me like 5 minutes to update right now, when it'd probably only have taken 30sec if it were just one packages.xz |
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| 14:17.28 | nvz | 809 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 147 not upgraded. (upgrade) vs 950 upgraded, 76 newly installed, 48 to remove and 1 not upgraded. (full-upgrade) |
| 14:19.29 | nvz | among which it wants to remove calibre, chromium, sshfs..etc.. which after I do the upgrade, I can tell ya if thats still the case |
| 14:20.19 | this_paradis | I never tried to upgrade to new distro version with apt, but apt-get removed me essential stuff like mysql server with dist-upgrade, so I usually just call upgrade until it's satisfied and then dist-upgrade |
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| 14:20.55 | nvz | yeah my theory is that in this test case I'm doing here.. these packages I know I want.. that it wants to remove.. will not be removed if I upgrade first |
| 14:21.26 | nvz | however I'm on wifi right now so this is gonna take a bit :P |
| 14:21.47 | nvz | goes to plug in and do it fast :D |
| 14:22.39 | nvz | or not.. it got 10x faster just comin out here near the router :P |
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| 14:27.18 | nvz | which considering my apt is like 720sq ft.. and I was only like 10ft(3m) from the wifi to begin with.. I think indicates a bit of an issue :P |
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| 14:34.22 | this_paradis | moar transmit power :D |
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| 14:36.24 | nvz | yeah I haven't really done crap since I bought a router/modem and internet service at home.. other than put some custom firmware on and setup the dhcp pool, ssid, and wpa |
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| 14:41.49 | nvz | I'd gotten a Netgear CM400 Modem, WNR3500L Router, and GS305 Gigabit Switch.. and like 5 7ft Cat6 cables.. just havent really set it all up entirely yet |
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| 14:55.11 | nvz | na, it still wants to remove the same crap.. so in this test case I see no difference between upgrading first or not |
| 14:55.48 | nvz | personally, I always just upgrade.. I dont usually allow the full-upgrade/dist-upgrade unless actually doing a dist-upgrade |
| 14:56.09 | nvz | in this case I don't want it removing sshfs, chromium, and a bunch of other crap so.. |
| 14:56.20 | annadane | i just now realized you meant apt as in "apartment" |
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| 14:56.32 | annadane | i was so confused and thought you meant apt as in the package manager |
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| 14:56.49 | nvz | yeah.. well.. my package manager /is/ bigger than yours :D |
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| 15:39.53 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 15:52.13 | frabbit | i want to install openmw. ive seen that the packages are in contrib branch of debian, is that because u need the original non free game data to finally use openmw in a useful way, or does contain openmw unfree code or something? https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=openmw |
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| 15:57.16 | frabbit | ok i asked at the OpenMW project itself and theres no non-free code in it. |
| 15:58.03 | frabbit | also it is a FLOSS game engine that does not require any non-free game (like morrowind for example) to run. |
| 15:58.53 | frabbit | people can create their own games based on it and i know that theres already something like a template suite game created by the project itself, wich is totally FLOSS too. |
| 15:59.30 | frabbit | the openmw packages are in the wrong place at debian and debian based distros when they are at contrib |
| 15:59.57 | frabbit | they belongs to main, like minetest for exmaple |
| 16:00.18 | annadane | maybe, maybe not, sometimes things are in contrib or non-free for weird reasons |
| 16:00.25 | annadane | like the emacs documentation because it has invariant sections |
| 16:00.35 | frabbit | annadane: but thats not good politics |
| 16:00.46 | annadane | well, it's principles |
| 16:01.10 | frabbit | the packages in contrib are less visible then in main, cause many people (including me) only use main branch |
| 16:01.33 | frabbit | annadane: nah its against the principles when minetest is inmain and opemw in contrib |
| 16:01.43 | frabbit | or scummvm |
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| 16:02.43 | frabbit | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive#s-contrib |
| 16:03.13 | annadane | non-free code isn't the only reason something can be in contrib/non-free, depends on the software |
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| 16:03.22 | annadane | i don't know about this particular example |
| 16:03.32 | frabbit | i didnt say that |
| 16:04.12 | frabbit | 100% free packages are in contrib, because they depending on some other packages or any kind of data that isnt free |
| 16:04.19 | frabbit | but that isnt the case for opwnmw |
| 16:04.58 | frabbit | i can create an unfree game for the minetest engine, but that doesnt mean that minetest depends on that game |
| 16:05.15 | annadane | hmm i'm not sure then, maybe ask the maintainer |
| 16:05.21 | frabbit | and thats why minetest is in main, what is correct |
| 16:05.31 | frabbit | annadane: of the package? |
| 16:05.35 | annadane | it's beyond my scope of knowledge, maybe someone else can answer |
| 16:05.35 | frabbit | yeah good idea |
| 16:06.18 | frabbit | hmm seems like the maintainer is also a developer of openmw... |
| 16:06.27 | frabbit | Bret Curtis |
| 16:06.36 | frabbit | that is psi29 |
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| 16:26.19 | annadane | frabbit, if you do get an answer let me know, i'm curious |
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| 16:35.20 | FIUBOT | Hi guys, how are you doing? |
| 16:35.51 | FIUBOT | I have access to a Debian shell to which I have no root |
| 16:36.21 | FIUBOT | I want to install some Python3 modules but I do not have pip3 available |
| 16:36.25 | joepublic | sounds like a conversation you should be having with the system's administrator, who does have root. |
| 16:36.59 | avu | FIUBOT: you can create a virtualenv in your HOME and install/use pip there |
| 16:37.37 | FIUBOT | Yes, indeed avu, I have installed virtualenv |
| 16:37.59 | FIUBOT | But I need to run pip3, not pip |
| 16:38.12 | avu | if you create a python3 virtualenv, pip will be pip3 |
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| 16:39.29 | FIUBOT | This is what I want to run: https://github.com/gumblex/orizonhub/tree/simple |
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| 16:40.13 | FIUBOT | How do I create a python3 virtualenv |
| 16:40.14 | FIUBOT | ? |
| 16:40.27 | FIUBOT | I created virtualenv but I only had access to pip, not pip3 |
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| 16:43.03 | frabbit | annadane: i will =) |
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| 16:48.42 | FIUBOT | It is venv, not virtualenv for Python3 |
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| 16:50.59 | avu | those are two different things, both exist for python 3 |
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| 17:01.56 | orak127 | FIUBOT: you can use `-p` argument to pass the path to the wanted python interpreter (ie python3) |
| 17:02.04 | orak127 | https://virtualenv.pypa.io/en/stable/cli_interface.html#p |
| 17:03.51 | FIUBOT | ./virtualenv.py ~/python New python executable in /home/F/FIUBOT/python/bin/python Installing setuptools, pip, wheel...done. |
| 17:06.38 | orak127 | try: `./virtualenv.py -p python3 ~/python3` |
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| 17:09.21 | FIUBOT | ./virtualenv.py -p python3 ~/python3 Running virtualenv with interpreter /usr/bin/python3 Using base prefix '/usr' |
| 17:09.21 | FIUBOT | New python executable in /home/F/FIUBOT/python3/bin/python3 Also creating executable in /home/F/FIUBOT/python3/bin/python Installing setuptools, pip, wheel...done. |
| 17:10.36 | orak127 | it looks good |
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| 17:12.18 | FIUBOT | Thanks orak127 |
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| 17:28.55 | frabbit | annadane: 18:58 < OpenMW-Bridge> [discord] AnyOldName3: The gist is that while you *can* create your own game, no one really *has*. |
| 17:29.18 | frabbit | annadane: 18:58 < OpenMW-Bridge> [discord] AnyOldName3: They're not super keen on moving us out of contrib when the only justification for doing so is hypothetical. |
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| 17:29.43 | frabbit | annadane: 18:59 < OpenMW-Bridge> [discord] AnyOldName3: It's why there's been a bit more of a push to get the example suite going again recently. |
| 17:30.12 | frabbit | annadane: but to me this is a mistake by debian |
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| 17:31.48 | sney | frabbit: file a bug |
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| 17:33.01 | frabbit | sney: its not a bug |
| 17:33.17 | frabbit | its a mistake |
| 17:33.33 | sney | it's a request to change something about a package. the bug tracker is where those go. |
| 17:33.41 | frabbit | hmm |
| 17:33.49 | sney | conversely, nobody involved with making a decision about packages being in main/contrib is in this irc channel |
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| 17:35.30 | frabbit | sney: ok. ive never reported a bug for debina before, i will try reportbug |
| 17:35.36 | frabbit | *debian |
| 17:36.25 | frabbit | o_0 oh.. that package comes with a dozen python packages |
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| 18:08.54 | frabbit | ok done |
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| 18:36.06 | FIUBOT | So, I finally got it virtualenv running |
| 18:36.28 | FIUBOT | Is there any way I can keep it running even if I am not logged in? |
| 18:37.09 | nkuttler | FIUBOT: what is "it"? |
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| 18:38.08 | greycat | a virtualenv is just a bunch of directories and files... it doesn't "run" |
| 18:38.21 | sney | FIUBOT: look at tmux or screen to keep your session running when you are disconnected |
| 18:39.28 | GNU\colossus | (and also a number of environment variables and their values) |
| 18:39.42 | FIUBOT | Oops, multitasking doesnt work all that well |
| 18:40.28 | FIUBOT | I installed virtualenv to install some python3 modules and run https://github.com/gumblex/orizonhub/tree/simple |
| 18:40.58 | greycat | If it's a command-line or terminal program, you can indeed keep it running inside a tmux or screen session. |
| 18:40.59 | FIUBOT | As I am not root on my shell and will not be |
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| 18:42.40 | FIUBOT | Yes, it is a command line program |
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| 19:14.18 | ws2k3 | in df -h my /var/log shows: 17 gb in use of the 20 gb. but if i use du -h /var/log it shows not even a gigabyte. i have seen this behavior before. and its useualy a proces thats still has a file in use that is big. how can i find out which file that could be |
| 19:14.43 | greycat | the first lesson is DO NOT use rm to get rid of a large log file |
| 19:15.21 | greycat | at this point, the best thing you can do is REMEMBER what file you unlinked, and take appropriate action (restart some daemon) based on whatever file that was |
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| 19:16.28 | greycat | if it has been too long, and you can't remember what file you unlinked, or if someone else did the filthy deed, you could try restarting a bunch of daemons at random to see if one of them works (rsyslog would be a great first try) |
| 19:16.45 | greycat | otherwise, you get to dig through half-documented lsof stuff and pray |
| 19:16.49 | greycat | or simply reboot |
| 19:17.24 | GNU\colossus | `lsof +aL1` |
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| 19:17.40 | ws2k3 | greycat: i useualy use echo > logfile to clean it up. and that allways works. i cant remember what happened here cause i did not rm some logs files |
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| 19:18.14 | greycat | !open files |
| 19:18.14 | dpkg | Care to know what program or process has a particular file or port open? lsof (list open files)! the package! the command! lsof is for YOU!!! lsof -i tcp:80; lsof /dev/dsp; lsof -i udp:53; etc... apt-get into today! Also, if you order right now, we'll throw in these hits for free: netstat -upant | grep whatever; fuser -v filename; fuser -v 80/tcp; etc. Ask me about <file-nr>. |
| 19:18.16 | ws2k3 | GNU\colossus: do i need to add anything to that command? |
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| 19:18.38 | GNU\colossus | ws2k3, maybe try a path to the mounted fs you're having trouble with |
| 19:19.01 | ws2k3 | GNU\colossus: so lsof +aL1 /var/log ? |
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| 19:19.15 | GNU\colossus | yes. if that doesn't work, `lsof +L1` should also work |
| 19:20.32 | GNU\colossus | (if both come up with nada, you'll have to re-check your assumptions) |
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| 19:22.34 | ws2k3 | GNU\colossus: 6 out of 8 processes found are glusterfs so i think i found it ^^ |
| 19:22.45 | GNU\colossus | :) |
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| 19:52.31 | Xelraa | let me ask u something guys |
| 19:52.39 | Xelraa | are u happy what debian become |
| 19:52.54 | Xelraa | like plagued by trash fucking piece of shit systemd |
| 19:53.01 | Xelraa | this is the future u really wanted? |
| 19:53.36 | greycat | OK, you've given your diatribe. Now it's done. Any more, and I'll silence you. |
| 19:53.37 | Xelraa | murdock is rotting in the ground all right he has nothing to say about his distro |
| 19:53.59 | Xelraa | he obviously placed it in the hands of f trailer trash retards |
| 19:54.04 | Xelraa | who made this fucking shit out of it |
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| 19:54.16 | Xelraa | I will print out busters source code |
| 19:54.19 | Xelraa | and wipe my ass |
| 19:54.20 | Xelraa | with it |
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| 19:59.43 | sney | the real amazing thing is we still have uninformed morons whining about systemd more than 6 years after the vote was finalized. this part is not the future I wanted. enough already. |
| 20:01.27 | sney | some of #727708 was a good read back in the day, though. particularly that gamer guy who kept ranting about "lennart and his acolytes" |
| 20:01.28 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/727708 in tech-ctte (closed): «tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-25; last modified: 2014-05-06. |
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| 20:04.59 | Admiral_Purr | sney: What's the point of whining about it anyway. There is Divuan for that very user base. |
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| 20:06.47 | greycat | Devuan. |
| 20:06.57 | Admiral_Purr | Ok, Devuan. |
| 20:07.03 | sney | yep. and also, debian developers have serious discussions every so often about whether to stick with it or explore other options. no part of the conspiracy theory is real and free software is all about choices |
| 20:07.43 | greycat | There was a vote about 6 months ago. |
| 20:07.47 | Admiral_Purr | sney: Exactly. Some distros have choosen systemd, some have choosen other init systems. All fine. Pick your poison. This is FOSS. I don't understand the whining. |
| 20:08.16 | Admiral_Purr | There will always be choice. systemd will never be the only init system |
| 20:09.18 | Admiral_Purr | There is sysvinit, there is runnit, there is openrc and trust me there will be more, there will be new ones. |
| 20:09.22 | sney | never underestimate the power of FUD and dogma, I guess. |
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| 20:14.52 | Lampion | Hello everyone, can you please help me installing the last nodejs version ? |
| 20:15.08 | Lampion | There's nothing up to date on the debian repositories, I've been struggling for like an hour or so. |
| 20:15.21 | Lampion | I'm loosing my temper with that stuff. |
| 20:15.40 | sney | ,v nodejs |
| 20:15.41 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 10.19.0~dfsg1-1; buster-proposed-updates: 10.21.0~dfsg-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 10.21.0~dfsg-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 10.21.0~dfsg-1; sid: 12.18.0~dfsg-3 |
| 20:15.56 | greycat | Remove the Debian packages, and just use upstream's releases. Or whatever they have in place of releases. |
| 20:16.24 | greycat | Debian's stable packaging model is not appropriate for constantly-churning bleeding edge crapware. |
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| 20:16.49 | Lampion | Damn, that's harsh. I'm a newbie, what's wrong with nodejs ? |
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| 20:17.07 | timothywcrane | Systemd may have its faults, old defaults die hard, but I look forward to seeing it in combination with the new "one /home, multiple PCs" format... portable configs would be a nightmare in a "split" system... |
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| 20:17.45 | sney | without the editorializing part, it's true, nodejs doesn't care about anyone else's release schedule and just "new releases go brrr" - if you need node's new hotness, better to get it from nodejs.org |
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| 20:18.49 | sney | node may be a candidate for debian fasttrack at some point, I would guess |
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| 20:24.44 | Lampion | I'm going to lose it. |
| 20:24.49 | Lampion | I swear I'm going to lose it. |
| 20:25.12 | Lampion | I finally got it installed, I installed the bencode module with nmp and now it says the module doesn't exist. |
| 20:25.18 | greycat | Just pretend Debian has no node packages at all. Remove them, and use upstream. |
| 20:25.36 | Lampion | I purged it, all of node modules are gone. |
| 20:25.41 | Lampion | I finally got to install node modules. |
| 20:25.45 | greycat | That includes whatever "CPAN-like" node package manager there is. |
| 20:25.50 | Lampion | * nodejs, and now I need to install module. |
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| 20:26.20 | Lampion | And that... Hell of a thing doesn't recognize it. I don't even know if it's looking in the right direction, I'm 100% rage and salt right now. |
| 20:26.46 | Lampion | That's so frustrating. |
| 20:26.53 | sney | if you're that mad you're going to miss stuff right in front of you. go chill before you try again |
| 20:27.54 | Lampion | I guess you're right, been a rough week and tomorrow's going to be painful. |
| 20:28.09 | Lampion | Never enlist, people. Cheers, thx for the helping hand. |
| 20:29.04 | annadane | the fact runit is packaged in debian makes me wonder how well it works with debian |
| 20:29.07 | annadane | re: above discussion |
| 20:29.17 | sney | ,v runit |
| 20:29.18 | judd | Package: runit on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.2-3; stretch: 2.1.2-9.2; buster: 2.1.2-25; bullseye: 2.1.2-36; sid: 2.1.2-36 |
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| 20:29.53 | annadane | i'm sure it's analogous to sysvinit |
| 20:29.59 | sney | if it's in buster it must meet *some* manner of a standard of usefulness |
| 20:30.14 | annadane | yeah as opposed to "sole entry: sid" |
| 20:30.45 | sney | the fact that all of those branches have the same upstream version may not be a good sign though. |
| 20:30.48 | greycat | Software isn't required to be useful to remain in Debian. It only has to not have any release-critical bugs. |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | That said, I have never tried runit and have no idea how useful it is, or isn't. |
| 20:31.18 | annadane | i should try it in a vm, sounds like fun |
| 20:34.44 | annadane | systemd is a much different paradigm but i wouldn't be surprised if upstart and sysvinit and runit are slightly different versions of the same thing, not that i've really looked into sysvinit or upstart |
| 20:35.13 | sney | they all *do* the same thing but the approaches vary. |
| 20:35.14 | greycat | They aren't "the same thing". |
| 20:35.45 | sney | sysvinit is the only one from the 1970s so it has that warm, vintage feel |
| 20:35.57 | greycat | 1980s, I think |
| 20:36.30 | sney | ah yep 83 |
| 20:36.35 | sney | same joke |
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| 20:44.48 | Admiral_Purr | sney: How to feel an init system? |
| 20:46.12 | greycat | buy it a drink first? |
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| 20:48.05 | greycat | annadane: https://jdebp.eu/FGA/run-scripts-and-service-units-side-by-side.html is a bit heavy but might be a good read |
| 20:48.28 | mason | I installed a sysvinit-only Debian yesterday and it worked nicely. Only glitchy bit was that debootstrap installed systemd even though I explicitly told it to ignore it. Had to chroot in after the deboostrap to resolve that. |
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| 20:52.14 | greycat | An even simpler starting point might be a statement like, "runit is much closer to systemd than it is to sysv-rc". Runit was derived from daemontools, which was a pioneer of the "write a shell script to exec a supervised service" model. Just the tools differ slightly. And daemontools was never designed to be PID 1. |
| 20:52.54 | mason | Being derived from daemontools shouldn't be a point of pride for anything. |
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| 21:01.18 | SerajewelKS | is there any way to get md-raid to automatically re-add part of a mirror that becomes available? in my case i have a mirror where one drive is local and the other is remote (iscsi). md-raid starts the mirror degraded at boot because it can see the local drive. when the remote drive becomes available, it is not automatically re-added to the array. |
| 21:01.34 | SerajewelKS | i want it to either wait until both drives are there to start the mirror, or automatically re-add the remote drive when it comes online |
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| 21:13.22 | alexrelis[m] | Admiral_Purr: I'm assuming the anti-systemd people believe there will be less development on the other init systems if all major distros move to systemd. While I don't have any problem with systemd, I personally believe that Debian, being the universal operating system, should give users the choice in the same way users can choose DE/WM or architecture. That, of course, is a matter of how many developers are willing to |
| 21:13.22 | alexrelis[m] | maintain x init system, though I wonder if we Debian people could talk to the Deuvian guys/gals and ask if they would be willing merge their work with Debian. |
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| 21:54.44 | polk | hi, I know that one of the devices in my laptop is faulty. if system tries to use it, some unpleasant things happen. how to permanently disable it? |
| 21:55.21 | polk | its GPU, its messed up on hardware level |
| 21:56.03 | sney | you could blacklist the driver, but that sounds like it may be time to get a new laptop |
| 21:57.08 | polk | by GPU, I meant nvidia discrete graphics. Intel one is enough in this case |
| 21:57.19 | tw | How do I switch dhclient's dhcp4 clientid back to mac address? I guess the easiest way to do this would be remove the -i flag from dhclient but I can't see where this is set. |
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| 21:59.24 | SerajewelKS | polk: blacklist nvidia and nouveau |
| 22:00.33 | polk | SerajewelKS, bit more specifics plz |
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| 22:01.18 | SerajewelKS | !blacklist |
| 22:01.19 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 22:01.24 | SerajewelKS | do that ^ |
| 22:01.32 | SerajewelKS | nvidia and nouveau are the modules to blacklist |
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| 22:05.58 | tw | oh, so I can't change the arguments to dhclient because /usr/sbin/ifup has the argument hardcoded. |
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| 22:08.40 | polk | SerajewelKS, thx |
| 22:08.51 | sney | tw: maybe there's something in the docs for ifupdown. |
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| 22:19.27 | tw | sney: dhcpcd allows it, dhclient has debian bug #924640 |
| 22:19.28 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/924640 in tt-rss (open, patch): «tt-rss: initscript tt-rss action "stop" failed»; severity: important; opened: 2019-03-15; last modified: 2019-09-27. |
| 22:19.37 | tw | err, hmm, that's not the right one. |
| 22:19.50 | tw | 923640 |
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| 22:20.38 | sney | #923640 |
| 22:20.39 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/923640 in ifupdown (open): «"ifupdown" 0.8.35 breaks DHCP and DNS resolving.»; severity: important; opened: 2019-03-03; last modified: 2019-03-26. |
| 22:21.35 | sney | if using dhcpcd is a viable workaround then that's probably fine |
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| 22:39.54 | yazgi | if I'm using Buster, and want to run a newer version of qutebrowser, what is recommended method? |
| 22:41.24 | annadane | compile it or download the upstream binary |
| 22:41.35 | annadane | ,v qutebrowser |
| 22:41.36 | judd | Package: qutebrowser on amd64 -- buster: 1.6.1-2; bullseye: 1.12.0-1; sid: 1.12.0-1 |
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| 22:42.56 | annadane | debian is only ever meant to be a framework, you use what works for you, sometimes that's old packages, other times you can build on top of what you already have |
| 22:43.09 | annadane | just don't mix stable with testing and/or sid |
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| 22:47.05 | alexrelis[m] | Important read: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 22:47.05 | alexrelis[m] | Honestly I think this article is good advice to anyone using GNU/Linux and it is often not followed. |
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| 22:50.29 | alexrelis[m] | yazgi: I recommend installing this flatpak instead: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.qutebrowser.qutebrowser |
| 22:50.29 | alexrelis[m] | My recommended procedure for installing software is this: Official Repos > Backports/Flatpaks/Snaps/AppImages > Pre-Compiled Binaries > Compiling from source with chroot |
| 22:52.55 | yazgi | ok thanks |
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| 23:01.50 | yazgi | so wiki.debian.org says for defaultwebbrowser Gnome or KDE but I'm using xfce so? |
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| 23:15.59 | nvz | yazgi: I am unable to parse what it is you're after |
| 23:17.51 | sney | default link handling in xfce? I assume it's in the settings window somewhere |
| 23:17.57 | nvz | yazgi: the only browser a standard xfce comes with is Firefox (firefox-esr) |
| 23:18.50 | sney | yazgi installed some other browser from a flatpak and wants to set it as the default, afaict |
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| 23:20.28 | yazgi | ran update-alternatives xxx-gnome-browser or so ; it showed 2 firefox versions but xxx-browser showed qutebrowser, so maybe |
| 23:20.46 | nvz | xfce uses its own perferred app ssytem, launches default browser with exo-open WebBrowser |
| 23:20.55 | yazgi | i've qb installed already, had a separate question how to get a newer version |
| 23:21.34 | nvz | by default xfce's system used Debian Sensible Browser which I believe falls back on alternatives |
| 23:21.49 | yazgi | sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser I was able to choose qb, not sure if thats enough |
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| 23:23.46 | nvz | it is if the preferred applications in xfce4-settings-manager is still set to Debian Sensible Browser |
| 23:23.53 | nvz | otherwise you need to change it there too |
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| 23:29.18 | n-iCe | ok, I don't get it |
| 23:29.22 | n-iCe | I installed using snap this, woe-usb |
| 23:29.25 | n-iCe | how do I run it? |
| 23:29.36 | n-iCe | I did snap search and found woe-usb v3.3.0 ernytech - WoeUSB is a tool to create Windows USB stick |
| 23:29.49 | n-iCe | but snap run woe-usb does not work |
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| 23:37.34 | ddsys | n-iCe: install from github works https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB |
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| 23:38.10 | sney | isn't the windows 10 iso a hybrid image, like debian's? you shouldn't need a special tool unless you're making a custom iso |
| 23:39.00 | ddsys | i tried copying the win10 iso to usb but couldnt get it to boot |
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| 23:48.24 | randy408 | what's the minimum 32-bit ISA level for stable? in buster's release notes there's notes about some libraries requiring sse2 at release so it has to be lower than i686 |
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