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| 00:03.42 | quadrathoch2 | ruied does it work when you start it manually? |
| 00:06.58 | ruied | quadrathoch2, yes... If I start manually it works than I get a cli... if I start it with '&' at the end it stays on the background... |
| 00:08.39 | quadrathoch2 | ruied so it seems there need to start something else, before you can start the service :/ just need to figure out what |
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| 00:10.03 | ruied | quadrathoch2, going to check |
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| 03:44.58 | Goombay | all the sudden I need to authenticate to suspend though I am in the sudo group, can't understand why |
| 03:45.08 | Goombay | polkitd(authority=local)[675]: Operator of unix-session:2 FAILED to authenticate to gain authorization for action org.freedesktop.login1.suspend for system-bus-name::1.31 [xfce4-session] (owned by unix-user |
| 03:45.47 | Goombay | running suspend from the xfce menu |
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| 03:52.54 | Goombay | sigh |
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| 04:07.51 | Admiral_Purr | Is it possible to use Debian unstable reliably with apt-listbugs? |
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| 04:17.40 | quadrathoch2 | Admiral_Purr if you know what you are doing, yes |
| 04:20.46 | Casper26 | Anyone help with permission denied with transmission-daemon? running debian testing transmission-daemon version 3.0 have tried every tutorial i can find. |
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| 04:21.44 | quadrathoch2 | !debian-next |
| 04:21.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 04:21.47 | quadrathoch2 | Casper26 ^ |
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| 04:37.01 | alexrelis | Casper26: transmission-daemon runs as its own user (I believe that user is called debian-transmission). As a result, the destination path must be accessible by debian-transmission or whichever user is running transmission-daemon. |
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| 05:36.12 | Casper26 | I have tried that, however i installed transmission-gtk it works fine |
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| 06:50.38 | no_gravity | Hello! Where does a folder go when you highlight it in Gnome and hit "del"? |
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| 06:52.08 | Gerowen | no_gravity: Your trash folder should be. |
| 06:52.31 | no_gravity | The crazy thing is: I have a terminal open with the PWD being the deleted folder and I still can ls and cat all files. |
| 06:52.37 | no_gravity | Gerowen: And where is that? |
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| 06:53.37 | Gerowen | If you're using Gnome, and you deleted the folder with the Gnome file browser, then on the left side of the nautilus file browser you should see a link that says "Trash". |
| 06:53.56 | no_gravity | The trashcan thing shows me an empty window when I click on it. |
| 06:54.30 | no_gravity | I have to say that afterwards I tried the "Redo move 1 item to trash". Which had no effect. But maybe made things worse somehow. |
| 06:54.42 | nkuttler | no_gravity: were you on a different filesystem? |
| 06:55.09 | no_gravity | nkuttler: different from what? |
| 06:55.20 | nkuttler | no_gravity: home |
| 06:55.41 | no_gravity | Yes |
| 06:55.53 | nkuttler | no_gravity: afaik gnome will have a trash directory for each filesystem |
| 06:55.58 | nkuttler | no_gravity: so check in the fs root |
| 06:56.00 | no_gravity | nkuttler: Aha! |
| 06:56.27 | nkuttler | also makes sense not to copy files across filesystems to delete them |
| 06:56.46 | no_gravity | nkuttler: Yay! There is a dir .Trash and it contains the deleted folder! |
| 06:56.49 | no_gravity | nkuttler: Thanks man! |
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| 06:59.22 | no_gravity | Phew :) I wasn't sure if I configured gnome to really delete instead of moving when hitting the del key. |
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| 07:08.55 | alexrelis | Casper26: transmission-gtk works fine because you'd normally run that program as the user who owns the path you're downloading the files too. |
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| 07:14.35 | Casper26 | Tried running transmission-daemon as normal user that owns the path still permission denied. |
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| 07:24.22 | pragomer | Hi. I am searching for a calender program (like gnome-calender or from other desktop environments, or lightning or so, that I can: password protect.. so that opening the calender is only possible with a password. does this exist ? |
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| 07:43.04 | Wulf | Hello. When I suspend my laptop and power it up again, the touchpad isn't working. After a subsequent hibernate, it works again. Any idea how to debug this further or fix it? |
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| 08:14.53 | valdyn | Wulf: you can unload and reload the driver |
| 08:15.09 | valdyn | Wulf: though there may be a more targetted approach that does this directly |
| 08:16.17 | valdyn | Wulf: that targetted approach may be explained here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/645/how-do-you-reset-a-usb-device-from-the-command-line |
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| 08:30.54 | Wulf | valdyn: it's not usb, but "rmi" |
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| 08:31.48 | Wulf | but unloading/loading the rmi modules helps. Thanks :) |
| 08:32.22 | Wulf | now is there any way to run code after a wakeup? |
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| 08:36.04 | tyzef | Hi guys! How to get the most recent kernel on my Debian Buster? I got a new laptop and need a recent kernel. |
| 08:37.32 | b30wulf | apt-get install kernel |
| 08:37.45 | damex | tyzef: why exactly new kernel is needed? unsupported hardware? |
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| 08:40.50 | babilen5 | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 08:40.50 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 08:40.54 | babilen5 | tyzef: ^ |
| 08:41.20 | damex | although it is better to pin that kernel through apt preferences |
| 08:41.25 | alexrelis | tyzef: What are your specs? Check out the backports repository: https://backports.debian.org/ It's the safest way to get the latest kernel in Debian Stable. |
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| 08:41.40 | damex | https://gist.github.com/damex/5f5b4aeba83fc17f6b73d77a2349618f something like that |
| 08:41.40 | alexrelis | damex: You sure about that? |
| 08:42.04 | damex | alexrelis: yeah, so updates always consder kernel from backports to be latest. |
| 08:42.16 | damex | or preferrable |
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| 08:43.17 | alexrelis | Packages on backports are usually configured to not cause any conflicts if you use them in moderation. |
| 08:43.33 | tyzef | damex, please if you like to have a look : https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1593338129.png |
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| 08:44.24 | damex | alexrelis: yeah, but for convenience sake it is so much easier to follow updates when something you want is pinned. |
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| 08:45.09 | tyzef | alexrelis here are my specs: https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2020/4876/A315-56/NX.HS5EM.007.html |
| 08:45.11 | damex | so let's say you have kernel installed and newer version is available through pin - it will pull update via simple 'apt update && apt upgrade' |
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| 08:46.59 | tyzef | damex ok I try, thks |
| 08:47.21 | Delta706 | I am seeing "A stop job is running for Session 1" output when I am shutting down. Does anyone know what job this is? |
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| 08:47.39 | alexrelis | tyzef: Looks pretty run-of-the-mill to me. Your laptop should do fine with the latest kernel in backports. Give it a shot |
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| 08:48.53 | tyzef | Thank you alexrelis |
| 08:49.10 | alexrelis | tyzef: No problem, sir/ma'am. |
| 08:50.36 | alexrelis | Delta706: This forum post gives a pretty in-depth analysis: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/310737/what-exactly-is-a-stop-job-as-in-a-stop-job-is-running#310775 |
| 08:50.36 | alexrelis | It's just shutting down gracefully. This type of behavior is quite useful in a server. I believe you could configure systemd to shorten the stop job. |
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| 08:52.40 | damex | tyzef: kernel might lack support for special device id of gpu you have. sudo dmesg | grep "i915\|drm" and sudo lspci -k | grep 'VGA compatible controller' -A 3 will show more |
| 08:53.24 | damex | althought new kernel from backports should resolve that for you. |
| 08:54.55 | tyzef | Well damex, thank you, I give a try asap |
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| 09:00.43 | alexrelis | I'm don't fully know if this is true or not since I've never tried it, but I believe there is a way to run a backported kernel straight from the installation with the Expert Installer. If not, that would be a good feature. |
| 09:01.08 | alexrelis | I* |
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| 09:04.01 | Delta706 | alexrelis: thanks for that. How can I stop systemd waiting for too long? Should I change the timeout? |
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| 09:08.45 | alexrelis | Delta706: I have not done it before, but check out this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/3vc526/how_do_i_abort_a_stop_job_is_running_waits_at/cxmirg0/ |
| 09:08.45 | alexrelis | It looks like it can be done by editing /etc/systemd/system.conf with your favorite text editor (nano, vim, emacs, whatever...) as a root user. If you plan to do this, I advise you to be careful though. But if you do, tell me if it works. I'd like to know. |
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| 09:09.21 | Delta706 | okay I am changing it to "2s" and now need to fix if it works |
| 09:09.39 | tyzef | Also... I have many firmware missing... However I understood I first need the needed kernel... Then only can install firmwares... Is it? |
| 09:09.53 | Delta706 | as I am shutting down, I will need to leave chat briefly to accomplish thi |
| 09:10.01 | Delta706 | *this |
| 09:10.29 | alexrelis | Delta706: If you reply back, then we'll know it worked. If not, well... |
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| 09:12.37 | alexrelis | tyzef: Do you happen to remember which firmware you needed? |
| 09:17.37 | uebera|| | Hi. Can somebody explain to me how the last two commands of /usr/sbin/qemu-debootstrap ( cp $(which "qemu-$qemu_arch-static") "$target/usr/bin"; run chroot "$target" /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage) are supposed to work if the chroot only contains, say, arm64 binaries/libraries while running on an amd64 host? /debootstrap/deboostrap is a shell script so $target/bin/sh (arm64) fails to execute--Game over. |
| 09:19.19 | oiaohm | uebera||: qemu-$qemu_arch-static that bit there means you would in theory be running in arm64 qemu emulated. |
| 09:19.35 | alexrelis | tyzef: If not, that's okay. As a root user, run `dmesg`. Check around for any red text that says "firmware: failed to load...". For example, "firmware: failed to load brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw (-2)". |
| 09:19.35 | alexrelis | From this example, "brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw" would be the missing firmware that you would have to install. In your case it might be different of course. How do we know the package to install that corresponds to the missing firmware? Say we needed to install brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw. In that case, we would run `apt search brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw`. Then, we would apt install the package that it tells us. So `apt install firmware-brcm80211` (as root). |
| 09:20.10 | uebera|| | oiaohm: The problem is that qemu-$qemu_arch-static is never called anywhere. So something must be missing. |
| 09:20.12 | oiaohm | uebera||: now if you happen to be missing the right qemu you are screwed. |
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| 09:24.45 | oiaohm | uebera||: also arm64 would not be called arm64 but aarch64 and you would be expecting qemu-$qemu_arch-static to be qemu-aarch64-static out of the qemu-user-static package |
| 09:25.53 | debouncer | hello, my monitor signal goes off after couple of minutes over boot up (time is totally random, mean is 15 mins). |
| 09:26.20 | uebera|| | oiaohm: The correct qemu binary is in place (I wrote "arm64" because aarch64 is only used "upstream" as per the Debian/Ubuntu docs), but still, *it's not called*. The thing is, I'd expect something along the lines of "chroot $target /usr/bin/qemu-$qemu_arch-static /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage" but even this fails atm ("Error while loading /debootstrap/debootstrap: Exec format error") |
| 09:26.44 | debouncer | this is my xorg log file: https://hastebin.com/qocufucose.makefile |
| 09:27.32 | debouncer | i see that in log file nvidia gpu getting disconnected after a while: "NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected" |
| 09:28.12 | debouncer | but couldn't find a workaround, can you help? |
| 09:31.30 | uebera|| | oiaohm: My bad, if you insert qemu-aarch64-static, you cannot call a script directly (This executes the script, but fails to find required tools: "chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/588 /usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static /bin/sh /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage"). But how can I be the first to topple over this? You find 3-4 error messages like this on the net, but never an explanation. |
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| 09:33.25 | oiaohm | uebera||: the chroot is not around the other way for no reason. Its a little hard to access qemu-aarch64-static once you have chroot the host off. |
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| 09:34.09 | oiaohm | uebera||: there is a copy for a reason. |
| 09:34.13 | tyzef | alexrelis, if you like : https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1593341145.png |
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| 09:37.17 | uebera|| | oiaohm: Of course there's a reason--in my case, this is called as part of "pbuilder-dist sid arm64 create". The thing is, it cannot work as is. It could never have been worked unless the host machine uses the same architecture as the chroot (which the associated scripts *detect* and then won't copy over the qemu binary in the first place). This in turn means this could never have been tested. |
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| 09:48.01 | alexrelis | tyzef: It looks like you will need to install the firmware-atheros package. |
| 09:49.49 | alexrelis | tyzef: Did you use the nonfree ISO to install Debian? |
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| 10:39.05 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 10:39.06 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: |
| 10:39.07 | judd | 68.9.0esr-1; sid: 68.9.0esr-1 |
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| 10:44.52 | discovered | There is no package checkinstall? |
| 10:46.38 | apollo13 | discovered: what makes you think that? |
| 10:47.04 | apollo13 | that said for buster it might be in backports or so |
| 10:47.16 | discovered | E: Unable to locate package checkinstall |
| 10:47.46 | apollo13 | well what version are you on⦠|
| 10:47.55 | discovered | debian 10 |
| 10:48.07 | apollo13 | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/checkinstall |
| 10:48.10 | apollo13 | it's in backports |
| 10:48.24 | apollo13 | why? I have no idea :D |
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| 10:50.34 | discovered | Now i can install :) |
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| 13:58.44 | mnathani | I am trying to install ifconfig on buster, so I installed the net-tools package, but it still doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:05.11 | nkuttler | mnathani: doesn't work? |
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| 14:08.19 | dvs | !doesn't work |
| 14:08.19 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 14:08.38 | jelly | mnathani: what happens when you run /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 14:12.06 | mnathani | I had su to root, without doing su - |
| 14:12.12 | mnathani | sbin wasnt in my path |
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| 14:12.16 | mnathani | sorry for the noise |
| 14:12.22 | mnathani | works fine now |
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| 14:15.13 | nulleip | XOrg makes cpu go up to 100% several seconds after disconnecting and re-connecting a usb hub... |
| 14:15.41 | nulleip | just mouse and keyboard on this hub, after a while XOrg goes back to normal |
| 14:16.19 | nulleip | but it is everytime I remove that USB port and reconnect it, any ideias? |
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| 14:18.20 | nulleip | I think it could be mtp-probe somehow... |
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| 14:20.22 | Psil0Cybin | Hi i need help i have debian buster, xfce4 installed and trying to get xfce4-screensaver installed |
| 14:20.40 | Psil0Cybin | but i get E: Unable to locate package xfce4-screensaver ? is this normal? right now, anywya to get that package for buster without adding previous reposs to the repo list? |
| 14:21.01 | dvs | ,v xfce4-screensaver |
| 14:21.02 | judd | Package: xfce4-screensaver on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.10-1 |
| 14:21.08 | dvs | oh snap! |
| 14:21.21 | Psil0Cybin | yea i see that, but i when i do apt-get install it i get package not found |
| 14:21.40 | dvs | becasue it's only in sid! loop above |
| 14:21.44 | dvs | *look |
| 14:22.01 | Psil0Cybin | yea i know, so what do i do if i want a screensaver in xfce4? |
| 14:22.06 | Psil0Cybin | for Debian Buster? |
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| 14:22.52 | dvs | ,checkbackport xfce4-screensaver |
| 14:22.53 | judd | Backporting package xfce4-screensaver in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 14:23.33 | abrotman | doesn't xscreensaver still exist and work? |
| 14:23.38 | Psil0Cybin | oh! |
| 14:23.46 | Psil0Cybin | see let me check that out! thanks i was looking for anything really! |
| 14:24.01 | Psil0Cybin | walla |
| 14:24.03 | Psil0Cybin | you are a gem :) |
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| 14:35.09 | nifker | Which debian package provides this file "libSPIRV-Tools-opt.so"? Ive installed any vulkan/spirv related package which it could but without success yet. |
| 14:35.47 | dvs | ,file libSPIRV-Tools-opt.so |
| 14:35.51 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:35.57 | dvs | none |
| 14:36.44 | nifker | what shall I do now? not use debian? |
| 14:36.57 | Ede|Popede | google has some hits for libspirv including github and pkgs.org |
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| 14:38.39 | jelly | judd: file libSPIRV-*.so |
| 14:38.43 | judd | Search for libSPIRV-*.so in buster/amd64: spirv-tools: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSPIRV-Tools-shared.so |
| 14:38.59 | jelly | not the desired file name |
| 14:39.45 | jelly | nifker: either find the file or or whole build somewhere else, or switch to a distro that has it, yeah |
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| 14:41.21 | jelly | or use the static library of that name. |
| 14:41.42 | jelly | judd: file libSPIRV-Tools-opt.* |
| 14:41.46 | judd | Search for libSPIRV-Tools-opt.* in buster/amd64: spirv-tools: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSPIRV-Tools-opt.a |
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| 14:46.20 | BlackMug | Hello There |
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| 14:47.36 | nifker | just copied the shared object from an arch package |
| 14:48.08 | BlackMug | we had discussion about debian security patches , is that true that debian doesnt get security patches and it only fix CVEs vulnerabilities which most vulnerabilities wont get CVEs thus this make debian insecure OS or at least not the best OS for security |
| 14:48.41 | BlackMug | ^ is this claim correct? |
| 14:48.53 | dvs | BlackMug, debian has a whole repo dedicated to security patches |
| 14:49.16 | BlackMug | the claim was security patches comes only when there CVE |
| 14:49.34 | dvs | or upstream security patches |
| 14:49.57 | BlackMug | without CVE ? |
| 14:50.56 | BlackMug | they say that without CVE , debian cant fix because they are not superheros |
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| 14:53.06 | mureena | Read: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#handling |
| 14:53.14 | BlackMug | i read that |
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| 14:53.21 | mureena | Read again |
| 14:53.34 | BlackMug | but that doesnt answer the CVE only fixation |
| 14:53.45 | dvs | BlackMug, you can ask the same question in #debian-security on OFTC. |
| 14:54.16 | BlackMug | sure will do , thank you :) |
| 14:54.20 | dvs | no prob |
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| 15:03.53 | spigot | my ISP supplied router/modem will assign me an IP over DHCP when connected via ethernet, but then I can't even ping the router after that. packets are dropped. |
| 15:04.04 | spigot | wireless connection to the same router is ok, router can be pinged |
| 15:04.40 | spigot | I've tried disabling the wireless connection completely, routing table looks ok. |
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| 15:07.30 | spigot | ok never mind; debian nor my network setup is not hte problem. it's definitely something odd with the router |
| 15:08.59 | spigot | even though I should appear to it as two different devices with separate MACs, it seems to get confused when I try to connect over wireless and ethernet within a short enough time of each other |
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| 15:15.09 | rander2 | hello |
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| 16:00.35 | sevenninety | Hi all, looking for debian support info for ryzen zen2. Is there a chan bot search that has related info? |
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| 16:03.48 | quadrathoch2 | sevenninety what CPU are you looking at? |
| 16:05.55 | sevenninety | ryzen 7 3700x |
| 16:06.36 | dvs | :-D |
| 16:06.50 | dvs | I just got one too |
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| 16:13.00 | rudi_s | sevenninety: Should work fine. I have a ryzen 9 and it works fine with Buster. What exactly do you want to know? |
| 16:14.42 | sevenninety | rudi_s that is all I needed to know! Thanks. |
| 16:15.37 | rudi_s | np |
| 16:16.09 | rudi_s | Just in case there are some problems, try the latest backports kernel. CPU support is mostly kernel related so having the latest kernel is often enough to fix issues. |
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| 16:44.16 | skyliner_369 | I remember there was supposed to be a distro that's supposed to be almost exactly like OS X... I'm just trying to remember the name of the distro |
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| 17:53.33 | tangarora | does anyone know how to mount an external disk device wiht some lvm on it? It used to be the bood drive of an old laptop... |
| 17:54.04 | tangarora | "disks" identifies it as a physical lvm. |
| 17:54.37 | tangarora | it does not show up in lvdisplay |
| 17:54.44 | tangarora | im clueless here |
| 17:56.31 | nevivurn | tangarora: I don't have lvm installed locally, so looking for manpages is a bit slow here, but try {pv,vg,lv}scan |
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| 18:05.56 | rudi_s | Yeah, what nev<tab> said, pvscan -ay, vgscan -ay and vgscan -ay should work |
| 18:06.12 | rudi_s | (Drop the double vgscan.) |
| 18:06.13 | nevivurn | nice rudi<tab> |
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| 18:15.32 | Delta706 | alexrelis: are you here? |
| 18:16.15 | soul-d | how do i do "init 3" equivilant on buster ? |
| 18:17.08 | LameName123 | Hello everybody! I've been using Debian as my distro of choice for a while now and have recently been playing with the idea of replacing it with OpenBSD in places, where security is the main focus. But I'm not sure if it really is more secure than Debian and how Debian holds up in comparison. I had a rather hard time comparing the two. Does anybody of you know more about this? I would love to know what you have to say about this. |
| 18:17.56 | Delta706 | have you tried looking at the man page for "init"? |
| 18:19.03 | jmcnaught | soul-d: run levels were replaced by targets in systemd. Read about the isolate command in "man systemctl", but it will be "systemctl isolate multi-user.target". "systemctl list-units -t target" to see targets. |
| 18:20.02 | sney | LameName123: the most important security component is admin practices. the kernel, userland, etc can sometimes make a difference depending on the use case, but if security is your goal and you make an effort to be specific in your approach, you can make linux just as secure as anything. |
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| 18:21.20 | soul-d | thanks jmcnaught |
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| 18:27.15 | LameName123 | sney: I definitely agree that the way you manage your system plays a huge role in how secure it is going to end up but would you say that OpenBSD is more secure by default than Debian? I'm not sure if it's actually true or if it's just "marketing talk". They like to list all their security features but I'm never sure if that's something that's unique to them or if Debian has those as well. |
| 18:28.53 | sney | you have the best chance of securing a system that you're already familiar with. so if you know debian pretty well but you've only used openbsd once or twice, the smart choice is to stick with debian. |
| 18:30.05 | sney | a default debian install is pretty locked down by default as well. again, it depends on the use case, what you're securing against, etc. |
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| 18:31.51 | sney | I've heard great things about pf as compared to other free software firewalls. But you see iptables-based devices all over production networks. And you're using the OpenBSD people's SSH server no matter what OS you're on, pretty much. |
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| 18:35.22 | sney | LameName123: but you really can't understate the fact that the biggest vulnerability is always going to be people. A different OS isn't going to be magically "more secure" than debian when used by the same person, and if you're trusting defaults to secure you without understanding the what/why then you've failed at step 1. |
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| 18:41.45 | LameName123 | Well, I do want to esentially use it as a firewall/router. I just want to make it as impenetrable as possible. Be it from the inside or outside. Closing all the ports and removing all the services that I don't need are some of the first things I do. OpenBSD claims to have a record of very few vulnerabilities in their base install and to have a rather small code base, which in turn is supposed to have less bugs. But from the looks |
| 18:41.45 | LameName123 | of it, it's also far less popular than Debian, which means there are far less eyes on the code, which means that vulnerabilities are less likely to be found. On the other hand because of it's lesser popularity it's probably less likely to be exploited than Debian because it's not as attractive as a target. |
| 18:42.35 | LameName123 | I'm willing to learn how to use OpenBSD, if it's worth it and use it alongside Debian, but I really can't make up my mind. |
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| 18:43.56 | jmcnaught | For production use what you know, for interest learn something new. When you know it better you'll be in a better place to decide which to use. |
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| 19:10.12 | jhutchins | It's my impression that BSD users tend to be much more knowledgable about the principles of the OS. |
| 19:11.20 | jhutchins | Linux has a significant population of people who want to run Windows (for gaming) but don't want to pay for it. They want a GUI, they want Wine, but they REALLY don't want to have to learn anything. |
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| 19:16.44 | annadane | i've toyed with freebsd a bit, but it's not a great desktop and because i have an nvidia card i'm weary of trying out the others |
| 19:16.52 | annadane | (thank you nvidia for not playing nice) |
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| 19:20.41 | annadane | or, well, specifically, i haven't done too much work in trying to understand it |
| 19:20.47 | annadane | maybe i'd really like it if i gave it a chance |
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| 19:36.10 | Somelauw | What do you think of the multitude of ways to install packages? There is apt-get. But python has pip/anaconda and some software is only available on nginx, snapcraft, flatpack, appimage? Which one is most complete? |
| 19:36.32 | annadane | it depends on the software |
| 19:36.38 | phogg | Somelauw: they're used for different purposes |
| 19:36.40 | annadane | for installing regular debian packages you obviously use apt |
| 19:36.55 | annadane | most people will use apt unless they have specific reason not to |
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| 19:37.21 | Somelauw | I do notice apt comes with a pretty old version of eclipse / firefox |
| 19:38.00 | phogg | apt doesn't "come with" old versions of packages, Debian releases include specific versions and you choose a release to use. |
| 19:38.59 | annadane | or use newer versions of software in a safe way |
| 19:39.04 | annadane | many people run stable like that |
| 19:39.17 | phogg | Debian tends to release about every 2 years and there is some lag time on packaging, so the stable release will always include less recent versions of programs than found in places that release more oftne. |
| 19:39.19 | nevivurn | Somelauw: nginx in that list is not like the others... |
| 19:39.39 | phogg | maybe he meant nix? |
| 19:39.50 | nevivurn | Ahh, that would make sense. |
| 19:40.57 | Somelauw | sorry, nix. It talks about a functional / stateless package manager, which confuses me, because I don't understand why it would be better worse than the others |
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| 19:42.25 | phogg | Somelauw: think of nix as not so much a package manager like dpkg+apt but as a mashup of package management, container management, and some orchestration. |
| 19:43.19 | phogg | The results can be just the same as using a more traditional system, if you don't want the results to be different, but there are also interesting things you can do easily which are hard to achieve any other way. |
| 19:46.24 | Somelauw | i only want to install one additional package manager in addition to apt. I'm happy with nix if it contains everything I need and the learning curve is worth it |
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| 20:02.47 | dreamer | great, just found out latest stable kernel broke part of my soundcard :/ |
| 20:02.50 | dreamer | 4 out of 6 i/o don't work any more |
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| 20:10.16 | dreamer | I guess now I have to go do a git-dissect, create a bugreport and never hear any feedback (as happened with previous reports) |
| 20:10.23 | dreamer | bisect* |
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| 20:14.34 | tnR | root@dnsmaster:/tmp# sudo dpkg -i mysql-apt-config* |
| 20:14.35 | tnR | dpkg: regarding mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb containing mysql-apt-config, pre-dependency problem: |
| 20:14.35 | tnR | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.35 | tnR | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.35 | tnR | dpkg: error processing archive mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb (--install): |
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| 20:14.36 | dpkg | tnR: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 20:15.41 | tnR | what is missing? |
| 20:16.10 | dreamer | don't flood the channel. use a pastebin |
| 20:16.23 | tnR | okey, sorry |
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| 20:17.56 | tnR | https://pastebin.pl/view/2c98b3b6 |
| 20:20.34 | tnR | standard system utilities |
| 20:20.44 | tnR | I didn't choose during the installation |
| 20:21.18 | tnR | debian 10 |
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| 20:47.53 | uebera|| | How come the 'hello' test binary can be installed using "dpkg --add-architecture arm64; apt install libc6:arm64 hello:arm64", "update-binfmts --find /usr/bin/hello" outputs "/usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static", "qemu--arch64-static /usr/bin/hello" works, but a direct call to "/usr/bin/hello" does not? ("zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/bin/hello") |
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| 20:50.37 | jolt | uebera||: what is your default arch? |
| 20:51.49 | RoyK | uebera||: printf '#!/bin/zsh\necho hello\n' > /usr/local/bin/hello ; chmod +x /usr/local/bin/hello # ;) |
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| 20:54.37 | uebera|| | jolt: x86_64 |
| 20:56.23 | jolt | uebera||: If you run it directly the architecture (arm64) doesn't match the running architecture (x86_64), and hence it looks like it's not found (but in reality it's the arch that is acting up) |
| 20:57.04 | jolt | uebera||: do `file /usr/bin/hello` |
| 20:57.33 | uebera|| | jolt: /usr/bin/hello: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, ARM aarch64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1, BuildID[sha1]=5f8827f785d722820cedc27d2a636a9144c1b767, for GNU/Linux 3.7.0, stripped |
| 20:57.53 | uebera|| | Interesting, I'd thought that the /test/ binary would be statically linked. |
| 20:58.43 | jolt | uebera||: I don't know why exactly, but I have tried to run the wrong arch of a binary and had the same error message until I found out why :) |
| 20:58.49 | uebera|| | But I did install the base arm64 packages (following https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation) |
| 21:01.30 | jolt | uebera||: I think it depends on how it's enable, maybe it's possible to have it running at the same time, but I haven't played aroud with it, so I cant help you out. |
| 21:05.09 | uebera|| | jolt: Thanks anyways. I'm currently asking around in #qemu on irc.oftc.net⦠maybe I receive some pointers. |
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| 21:21.58 | ws2k3 | is it possible to make a write one command. to run a command. and once it finished. start it again? |
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| 21:27.05 | uebera|| | ws2k3: Do you mean something like this? echo -e '#! /bin/sh\necho Hello, world.\nexec $0' >./test1.sh; chmod a+rx ./test1.sh; ./test1.sh |
| 21:27.24 | uebera|| | ws2k3: See "man exec" |
| 21:27.34 | ws2k3 | uebera|| while [ 1 ]; do foo; sleep 2; done did the job |
| 21:28.03 | ws2k3 | uebera|| i mean: while [ 1 ]; do echo thinking; done |
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| 22:20.29 | Ede|Popede | ws2k3: or watch |
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| 22:26.44 | Ede|Popede | $ while $cmd; do : ; done |
| 22:27.06 | Ede|Popede | or the other way round |
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| 22:27.50 | srged | my usb stick doesnt show up unless i manually mount it. how do i fi it? |
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| 22:31.01 | Ede|Popede | srged: in the desktop? at least âon xfce it's in the Advanced tahb of File Manager Preferences, other DEs should have something similar. |
| 22:31.30 | Ede|Popede | !automount |
| 22:31.31 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <kde automount>, <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usbmount>, <pmount> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 22:35.11 | srged | Ede|Popede: im running lde |
| 22:35.14 | srged | lxde |
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| 22:39.49 | srged | Ede|Popede: maybe is a format it differently ?\ |
| 22:40.22 | srged | Ede|Popede: maybe if i format it differently, maybe will work and auto mount ? |
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| 22:50.55 | MESSIAH | Hi |
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| 22:52.08 | tds | MESSIAH: hello |
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| 22:52.47 | MESSIAH | Hi I have problem with apache2 redirection from http to https |
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| 22:55.00 | tds | MESSIAH: you'll need to provide a little more info than that... :) |
| 22:55.28 | MESSIAH | tds OK. What information do you need? |
| 22:56.55 | tds | some details of the actual problem, what your config looks like, etc |
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| 22:58.20 | MESSIAH | I set up few VHosts all working fine just first one don't work normally. When I type http://my.website there is no redirection to https://my.website |
| 22:59.11 | MESSIAH | I'm using Redirect permanent / https://my.webiste/ directive in VHost conf file |
| 23:00.25 | tds | ok, that should work fine - what does `apache2ctl -S` output? |
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| 23:01.37 | MESSIAH | https://hastebin.com/caqugifeyi.rb |
| 23:02.05 | alexrelis | Hey guys, so I'm on http://forums.debian.net/ucp.php?mode=login, and I realized that HTTPS isn't enabled. I'm afraid to login/register for an account. Was Debian Forums always like this? |
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| 23:02.57 | tds | MESSIAH: that doesn't list my.website as a vhost |
| 23:03.21 | tds | so it'd just match the my.site vhost, and presumably redirect to https://my.site if that's what the vhost is configured for |
| 23:04.50 | MESSIAH | tds I changed real hostname |
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| 23:05.15 | annadane | alexrelis, 1) yeah, this is a problem i assume they've been informed about 2) FWIW those forums are not official |
| 23:05.22 | annadane | they're not affiliated with the debian project |
| 23:05.37 | tds | well if you're editing the output, there's not a great deal i can do to understand it, sorry |
| 23:05.45 | annadane | we don't really have official forums but salsa.debian.org does have a bunch of stuff |
| 23:06.06 | annadane | we do have mailing lists though :) |
| 23:06.09 | annadane | lists.debian.org |
| 23:06.37 | MESSIAH | tds Here's correct output https://hastebin.com/zovononihe.rb |
| 23:06.43 | alexrelis | annadane: Thanks. I had no idea they weren't official. Guess I'll stick with Salsa. |
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| 23:08.17 | tds | MESSIAH: you have the kupui.pl vhost defined twice |
| 23:08.46 | tds | www.kupui.pl redirects ok for me, so you may just want to get rid of your 000-default config? |
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| 23:09.18 | MESSIAH | 000-default config it's default values I didn't change nothing in this file |
| 23:10.33 | tds | MESSIAH: can you pastebin 000-default as well? |
| 23:11.19 | MESSIAH | tds DOne - https://hastebin.com/seduxecodu.shell |
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| 23:12.24 | tds | ok - well if you're not using that vhost, just get rid of it entirely |
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| 23:16.47 | MESSIAH | tds What about access to server apps? I have PhpMyAdmin etc and now I have access by IP if I disable or delete 000-default then I lost access by IP all apps will be available on first default VHost |
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| 23:17.51 | tds | MESSIAH: do you not want to access those things over https anyway? |
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| 23:19.04 | MESSIAH | @tds Yes I prefer it that way but I don't want mix them with shop hostname |
| 23:19.36 | MESSIAH | Can I set hostname (subdomain) given from my host provider? |
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| 23:29.28 | foul_owl | I'm having some problems with my display flickering after a reboot. nvidia card, proprietary driver. Everything was working fine for 2+ years on Debian 8, and 6+ months on Debian 10. Made no changes besides rebooting |
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| 23:33.21 | sney | foul_owl: if you truly made no software changes (no kernel/video driver etc updates particularly) then that sounds like it's probably hardware. hdmi cable going bad maybe, or a loose connection somewhere |
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| 23:37.15 | alexrelis | foul_owl: Did you retrieve the Nvidia drivers from Debian's repos, or from Nvidia's website? Also, what OpenGL version are you using for your compositor? On KDE I believe, selecting an OpenGL version that doesn't work best with your hardware will cause screen tearing. |
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| 23:42.02 | foul_owl | Drivers are from debian's repos |
| 23:42.32 | foul_owl | It's very suspicious to me that this error started happening after a reboot, after 30 day uptime |
| 23:43.50 | foul_owl | I check the opengl version by going to "nvidia-settings" "graphics information" "openGL" ? |
| 23:44.09 | foul_owl | If that is correct, then 4.6.0 |
| 23:44.12 | sney | look at your apt history for those 30 days. there might have been an update from that time that didn't actually get loaded until you rebooted, if it was a smaller library and the older one just stayed in memory the whole time |
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| 23:44.39 | foul_owl | Ahh good idea, thank you |
| 23:44.46 | foul_owl | I did notice two things also |
| 23:45.00 | foul_owl | 1. If I turn my refresh rate down to 30 hz, the issue goes away |
| 23:45.14 | foul_owl | Obviously very undesireable but it's a workaround for now |
| 23:45.41 | sney | that's got me thinking the cable again |
| 23:45.46 | foul_owl | I noticed also that the screen tearing / flickering can be reproduced by dragging my terminal emulator to a certain location |
| 23:46.05 | foul_owl | So I can trigger it purely in x.org... |
| 23:46.19 | foul_owl | That's what makes me think it's a debian issue, not a hardware issue |
| 23:47.03 | foul_owl | If a certain window is moved to certain screen coordinates...crazy bug imo |
| 23:49.29 | foul_owl | And conversly, if I move the window away from the "bad area" the flickering doesn't happen |
| 23:49.46 | foul_owl | Keep in mind also that my entire screen is in use, and no other window can trigger this bug |
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| 23:49.59 | foul_owl | Some sort of bug with x.org memory? |
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