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| 00:08.25 | kreyren | What is the debian-way to get wine-staging? https://hastebin.com/raw/edugasifow |
| 00:09.43 | sney | wine-staging is only distributed by wine upstream, so follow their instructions. https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
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| 00:13.17 | annadane | hopes this is debian, not kreyrenfrankenwtfisthisshitdebian |
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| 00:14.12 | petn-randall | annadane: As long as kreyren doesn't ask for support for their Frankendebian, they're fine. |
| 00:15.10 | kreyren | annadane, my franken ain't no shit! :c |
| 00:15.12 | kreyren | sney, thanks |
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| 01:09.57 | Phase_ | #debian I disabled PING REPLIES and it disabled them for IPV4 but not for IPV6 what can I do? |
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| 01:24.19 | luuuciano | wich is the most usual sans serif font used at linux? |
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| 01:27.03 | Bugz000 | hey i have a problem where the default route keeps changing, i've set it all to manual etc etc no matter what i do i keeps switching back to another default route and it's highly frustrating |
| 01:27.07 | Bugz000 | why won't it just stay where i put it |
| 01:27.48 | annadane | Bugz000, you haven't specified what file you edited |
| 01:28.02 | Bugz000 | i'm using the UI, debian 10 buster |
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| 01:28.18 | Bugz000 | network section of settings, editing the "wired" connection |
| 01:28.22 | annadane | network-manager, i guess |
| 01:28.37 | annadane | i think that's what gnome uses which i assume you're using if you didn't specify |
| 01:28.37 | Bugz000 | though i'm happy to use CLi if that's what's required |
| 01:28.54 | Bugz000 | it's whatever comes pre-packaged with debian 10, i would assume gnome yes |
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| 01:32.26 | Bugz000 | as i said, if you prefer using the CLi i can use that too |
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| 01:34.06 | annadane | Bugz000, not specifically, no; just trying to level-1-help-desk trying to identify the problem by seeing what you've already done |
| 01:34.19 | annadane | i'm an idiot and can't really help you, someone else may be able to |
| 01:34.35 | annadane | i suspect i've heard the answer to this before but i'd rather someone who *knows*, answer. |
| 01:34.43 | Bugz000 | fire away because i'm lost |
| 01:35.13 | Bugz000 | basically i want default route to go 192.168.2.254 |
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| 01:35.35 | Bugz000 | when i disconnect and reconnect, it states, 192.168.2.254 as default route, but only for a second or so |
| 01:35.50 | Bugz000 | then it will revert to 192.168.1.254 |
| 01:35.55 | Bugz000 | and break many things by doing that |
| 01:36.04 | Bugz000 | everything in the network settings is set to manual |
| 01:36.47 | Bugz000 | i told it specifically what routes i want, the routes are manual, what IP and gateway for the server to use, that's manual, and what DNS to use, that's manual |
| 01:37.16 | Bugz000 | and it just goes ahead and "FiXeS" it itself i figure because it sees it as a more direct route... |
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| 01:37.31 | Bugz000 | do i really need to resolve 192.168.1.254 to localhost in the damn host file |
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| 01:49.50 | Bugz000 | i think i fixed it |
| 01:49.52 | Bugz000 | route add default gw 192.168.2.254 enp1s0 |
| 01:50.11 | Bugz000 | i just put that in a cron job every 5 seconds aswell so if it ever decides to pull that crap with me again it'll get reset pretty fast |
| 01:50.34 | annadane | i'm just trying to remember what can override user settings |
| 01:50.46 | annadane | it's been talked about before on #debian i just can't remember |
| 01:50.57 | Bugz000 | it's still doingi t |
| 01:51.01 | Bugz000 | HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE |
| 01:51.39 | annadane | one sec |
| 01:51.55 | Bugz000 | i am honestly so confused |
| 01:52.30 | Bugz000 | i have set everything to manual, i have written files, i have even set a damn cron job and it's STILL resetting to that damn gateway why won't it just stay as i set it |
| 01:52.49 | Bugz000 | each time it shifts it breaks every service my server provides |
| 01:53.26 | annadane | nope, no ideas, sorry. i was going to suggest (based on pure, hair-brained random remembering) chattr +i on /etc/network/interfaces but per https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager it doesn't have anything to do with that file |
| 01:54.05 | Bugz000 | i appreciate the help regardless, it seems to have stopped for now but you bet anything happens in my network, a device connects to wifi or anything it's going to shift over and break everything again |
| 01:54.29 | annadane | (you may want to just skim the wiki page in case you stumble on a solution anyway) |
| 01:54.40 | annadane | really has to learn networking |
| 01:54.54 | Bugz000 | networking is great so long as devices stay where you put them |
| 01:54.56 | Bugz000 | :D |
| 01:55.48 | annadane | you *can* tell network-manager to use e/n/i and then i suppose chattr +i would be a hack |
| 01:55.52 | annadane | i don't know the proper solution |
| 01:56.14 | Bugz000 | evict the debian gremlins |
| 01:56.28 | annadane | but the proper solution may involve digging whereas the hack may 'just work' as long as you remember you've done it |
| 01:57.33 | annadane | Bugz000, if you come back tomorrow morning/afternoon (meaning eastern time) it's a monday so more folks will be around |
| 01:57.37 | annadane | or ask lists.debian.org |
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| 02:01.38 | annadane | (lurking is also a great way to have people answer your question though, don't just leave :P) |
| 02:02.05 | Bugz000 | i may leave if this damn thing switches again |
| 02:02.09 | Bugz000 | but that's beyond my control rofl |
| 02:02.36 | Bugz000 | it looks relatively stable now |
| 02:02.43 | Bugz000 | time will tell... |
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| 02:03.05 | Bugz000 | i've dealt with this problem for months, usually just switching it once after boot is enough but just now it put up a fight |
| 02:03.09 | Bugz000 | it was NOT staying |
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| 02:09.54 | Bugz000 | annadane what is lists.debian? |
| 02:10.24 | annadane | Bugz000, lists.debian.org, the mailing lists |
| 02:10.41 | Bugz000 | yeah i don't see how to ask a question on here, just logs from as far back as 1999! |
| 02:10.42 | Bugz000 | hahah |
| 02:10.43 | annadane | find one that's most appropriate to you - many people use debian-user - and ask and you may get a reply |
| 02:10.57 | annadane | yeah, find the email and send an email using an email account |
| 02:12.12 | Bugz000 | wow there is a lot here |
| 02:12.18 | Bugz000 | this is the main debian support route? |
| 02:12.36 | annadane | not necessarily but typically people use either irc or the mailing list |
| 02:13.09 | annadane | no one else seems to really be here now so it's up to you, worth a shot to fire off an email |
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| 02:21.28 | annadane | i should spend more time lurking on there too... |
| 02:21.36 | annadane | lot of good info |
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| 02:24.42 | redbeard72 | I need a live boot disk for stretch. I found the netinst CD images here, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/, anyone know where I can find a live boot disk? |
| 02:26.48 | sney | redbeard72: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ under 9.x live |
| 02:28.16 | jmcnaught | Bugz000: have you found anything in the logs related to your problem? |
| 02:28.40 | Bugz000 | what logs should i be looking at? |
| 02:29.08 | jmcnaught | I would use journalctl, but you can also look at /var/log/syslog to start |
| 02:30.54 | Bugz000 | https://i.imgur.com/EbKEV79.png |
| 02:30.57 | Bugz000 | there's something here |
| 02:31.16 | redbeard72 | sney, thanks |
| 02:31.51 | sney | np |
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| 02:32.47 | jmcnaught | Bugz000: did you install dhcpcd? Is this Raspbian by chance? |
| 02:33.04 | Bugz000 | nope, debian 10 buster |
| 02:33.07 | Bugz000 | at least i dont think i did... |
| 02:33.19 | Bugz000 | https://i.imgur.com/XdF1IMt.png |
| 02:33.21 | Bugz000 | interesting |
| 02:33.30 | Bugz000 | so let's assume it is installed |
| 02:33.46 | Bugz000 | puzzling as to how it got on there, probably come packaged with some other networking stuff i installed tbh |
| 02:34.31 | jmcnaught | Bugz000: "systemctl status dhcpcd" can show you what the service is doing right now. "aptitude why dhcpcd5" might tell you why it's installed. |
| 02:34.33 | Bugz000 | well actually this is the dhcp server for my network |
| 02:34.50 | Bugz000 | https://i.imgur.com/UX0BbnY.png |
| 02:34.59 | Bugz000 | well look at that |
| 02:35.08 | Bugz000 | look at my cron commmand fighting with it |
| 02:35.38 | jmcnaught | Yeah that cron job was a bad idea, it would just be in a constant race with whatever was causing the problem. |
| 02:35.50 | annadane | i'd probably comment out the cron entry and restart the connection so you can narrow down what caused the issues in the first place |
| 02:35.56 | Bugz000 | it was a very dirty bandaid, it's just to keep me connected for now |
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| 02:36.06 | annadane | ah, well, unless it results in immediate disconnect |
| 02:36.23 | Bugz000 | i lose connection with my DNS resolver |
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| 02:36.38 | Bugz000 | and quickly many services run to their TTL and request new IP and well |
| 02:36.46 | Bugz000 | it's bad news for many things i run if that happens lol |
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| 02:37.58 | Bugz000 | the thing is this server shouldn't be requesting anything from a dhcp |
| 02:38.05 | Bugz000 | it should be providing dhcp service to others but that's it |
| 02:38.28 | Bugz000 | is there a config file for this |
| 02:38.32 | jmcnaught | dhcpcd is not a server, it's a DHCP client |
| 02:38.59 | Bugz000 | oh well then it can be disabled surely |
| 02:39.21 | Bugz000 | i set all my adresses manually |
| 02:39.48 | Bugz000 | i guess dhcpcd has better ideas that disagree with my own haha |
| 02:39.51 | jmcnaught | "systemctl --now disable dhcpcd.service" should stop and disable it, and like I said "aptitude why dhcpcd5" might tell you why it is installed. |
| 02:40.08 | Bugz000 | oh let me try that first yah |
| 02:40.33 | Bugz000 | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 02:40.35 | Bugz000 | huh |
| 02:40.44 | Bugz000 | i did spell it right? |
| 02:40.55 | sney | aptitude isn't installed by default anymore |
| 02:40.55 | jmcnaught | 'apt install aptitude' |
| 02:41.11 | Bugz000 | ah righto |
| 02:41.34 | Bugz000 | i am getting some proper rack servers soon so will be starting fresh |
| 02:41.41 | jmcnaught | Sorry I probably should have mentioned that, I forget it's not default anymore. |
| 02:41.46 | Bugz000 | this server is a cumulative mess of 3 years of me learning how2linux |
| 02:42.01 | Bugz000 | i'm sure you can imagine what kind of environment that creates |
| 02:42.36 | oerheks | apt now has the same or more benefits like aptitude over apt-get |
| 02:42.39 | Bugz000 | i ifupdown Recommends isc-dhcp-client | dhcp-client |
| 02:42.40 | Bugz000 | i dhcpcd5 Provides dhcp-client |
| 02:43.14 | Bugz000 | i have no idea what ifupdown is |
| 02:43.55 | jmcnaught | Bugz000: it looks like dhcpcd5 was installed manually at some point. |
| 02:44.28 | Bugz000 | i honestly don't recall doing this but it's entirely possible |
| 02:44.31 | Bugz000 | i won't rule it out by any means rofl |
| 02:45.19 | jmcnaught | Bugz000: it is missing the 'A' flag for an automatically installed package. If it has been pulled in as a dependency the line would start with 'i A dhcpcd5 Providesâ¦" |
| 02:45.25 | Bugz000 | this is the first i heard of it but my early days of linux were comprised of a lot of copy/paste from techadvisor guides |
| 02:45.50 | Bugz000 | which as i learned the hard way is a quick road to disaster |
| 02:45.53 | Bugz000 | hahahha |
| 02:46.28 | Bugz000 | these days i always go to the package developer source for the install/usage guides, always more up to date etc etc but yah |
| 02:46.41 | Bugz000 | so i figure it's okay to uninstall this? |
| 02:47.29 | jmcnaught | Just make sure to read what else it wants to remove along with it, in case it wants to remove important stuff. |
| 02:48.43 | Bugz000 | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 02:48.43 | Bugz000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.49 | Bugz000 | just seems to be the one |
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| 02:49.29 | Bugz000 | cool, i've disabled the cron job now |
| 02:50.05 | jmcnaught | Nice. |
| 02:50.16 | Bugz000 | yup, i reset the connection on the server (which previously invoked it to switch defaults) and it's not changing :D |
| 02:50.18 | Bugz000 | it's fixed! |
| 02:50.36 | Bugz000 | thankyou <3 |
| 02:50.42 | jmcnaught | You're welcome. |
| 02:50.48 | annadane | !beer jmcnaught |
| 02:50.48 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Batch 50 GFAR for jmcnaught |
| 02:51.10 | Bugz000 | loop 50 { |
| 02:51.11 | Bugz000 | !beer jmcnaught |
| 02:51.11 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Jever for jmcnaught |
| 02:51.23 | Bugz000 | :D |
| 02:51.34 | Bugz000 | you will be crawling home tonight |
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| 03:48.29 | tyzef | Hi guys ! How are you today? |
| 03:49.01 | tyzef | Here I am stuck with that: https://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1593406828.jpg |
| 03:50.18 | tyzef | I am on Buster, using kernel 5.6 from backport, due to my computer is new and not fully supported |
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| 04:28.03 | Wulf | Typhon: Hi. There's a link in your screen shot. Did you have a look at it? |
| 04:37.34 | raub | So I setup the IP for eth0 using /etc/network/interfaces.d/eth0 but I noticed that that interface is listing 2 IPs (the static one I assinged and a dhcp one). |
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| 04:43.59 | raub | I noticed it is running dhcpcd.service. DOes that mean it is cheerfully running it in parallel with the static IP I created? |
| 04:44.25 | Wulf | raub: that's a dhcp server. |
| 04:44.39 | Wulf | or... maybe not |
| 04:44.46 | Wulf | sorry, it's a dhcp client |
| 04:45.00 | Wulf | raub: so, yes. |
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| 08:11.45 | awal1 | how can i open pdf documents like this one https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm5644e.pdf ? |
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| 08:12.15 | awal1 | firefox, chrom/chromium, evince, sakura, pdftk ... won't |
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| 08:12.55 | awal1 | Adobe on window$s it opens it |
| 08:13.07 | this_paradis | okular perhaps will work |
| 08:13.24 | awal1 | any tip, apart installing official adobe or wine? |
| 08:14.18 | awal1 | okular is like evince, kde pdf reader, probably it won't |
| 08:14.21 | awal1 | hmmm |
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| 08:31.49 | ksk | I would rather write them, if all these readers are unable to open the PDF canada.ca is doing it wrong.. |
| 08:32.25 | ksk | The link tells me: "The document you are trying to load requires Adobe Reader 8 or higher" in Browser. |
| 08:32.40 | ksk | afaik such a document would violate EU laws, but you are in canada, of yoursse ;) |
| 08:33.03 | ksk | like, I would expect the EU to not publish a PDF that can only be displayed by adobe tools. |
| 08:33.16 | diogenes_ | awal1, https://code-industry.net/get-masterpdfeditor/ |
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| 08:33.49 | diogenes_ | this app can open any PDFs ^^^^ |
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| 08:34.37 | nkuttler | awal1: i'd assume it's malware |
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| 08:36.37 | diogenes_ | i know gov of Canada uses those proprietary crap they even got so far that you nees ms silverlight in order to open some web pages. |
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| 08:39.01 | alexrelis | Hmm... I thought pdf was a libre format for years now. What's the deal? |
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| 08:39.54 | alexrelis | I was gonna say to use LibreOffice Draw, but it seems like that doesn't properly open the file either. |
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| 08:40.13 | awal1 | diogenes_, thank you . i will check that link :) |
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| 08:40.51 | awal1 | nkuttler, everything is possible with propietary software :D |
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| 08:50.54 | alexrelis | awal1: GAAAHHHHHH!! HOW DARE YOU!? |
| 08:52.11 | awal1 | alexrelis, hi |
| 08:52.43 | awal1 | trolling here = ass kicking |
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| 09:03.43 | alexrelis | awal1: Phew, I'm glad it was just a troll. You almost had me there. |
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| 09:05.08 | awal1 | !ops alexrelis tolling |
| 09:05.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: awal1 complains about a problem (see above) |
| 09:05.18 | awal1 | trolling |
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| 09:38.52 | dmr104 | hello.I have got debian on android. can I get a GUI? Where do I learn more? |
| 09:39.45 | ksk | dmr104: I suppose by looking at the app which brought debian to you - as far as I know its not an official debian release. |
| 09:40.00 | Logg | last time I used "Debian" on android, it wasn't really fully implemented or stable. Didn't seem like there was X support. |
| 09:40.23 | Logg | was a couple years ago though. |
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| 10:17.32 | MESSIAH | Hi |
| 10:17.44 | MESSIAH | I have problem with SSH |
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| 10:20.25 | Logg | !ask |
| 10:20.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:23.20 | alexrelis[m] | MESSIAH: What seems to be the problem? |
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| 10:25.47 | MESSIAH | alexrelis[m] I add login Notification using mail system. I add code "echo 'NOTIFICATION - Access SSH on ROOT from `hostname` at:' `date` `who` | mail -s "NOTIFICATION - Connection on ROOT via SSH from: `who | cut -d"(" -f2 | cut -d")" -f1`" " to root folder to file .bashrc |
| 10:27.13 | MESSIAH | When I use PHPStorm to login at SFTP then I see message about wrong hostname (is not valid) but when I delete notification from .bashrc then warning message in PHPStorm not showing |
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| 10:33.43 | ksk | Moonspell: still having problems parsind your actual problem. If you want to log users that login to your system, I would rather recommend hooking into PAM or so - much more stable (like, what happens if a user has a shell that is not bash, or uses "ssh -t" etc pp) |
| 10:33.50 | ksk | sorry, wrong highlighting. |
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| 10:40.08 | MESSIAH | ksk I need only notification email with IP and what time has been user logged. Do you have stable and simple solution for this case? |
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| 10:40.32 | ueb | Hello |
| 10:40.48 | ueb | I'm trying to downlaod Debian ISO |
| 10:41.03 | ueb | but the download never starts |
| 10:41.09 | ueb | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 10:41.40 | ksk | MESSIAH: google is your friend: https://medium.com/@alessandrocuda/ssh-login-alerts-with-sendmail-and-pam-3ef53aca1381 |
| 10:41.45 | ksk | not sure about simple though. |
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| 10:42.39 | ksk | ueb: can confirm, does not work over here, either. |
| 10:42.45 | MESSIAH | ksk thank you bro |
| 10:43.16 | ueb | is there any mirror? |
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| 10:49.40 | ksk | eh, to "Problems with Debian infrastructure" you have to the "cdimage.debian.org" pseudopackage :/ |
| 10:49.46 | ksk | *to report |
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| 10:53.57 | Kari | yo |
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| 10:55.39 | ksk | ueb: I did open a bugreport, maybe someone will re-enable the service shortly :) |
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| 10:55.56 | ueb | ksk thanks :) |
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| 10:56.40 | McFloss | I had the same problem... I used a mirror: https://debian-cd.repulsive.eu/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:57.25 | Kari | heya folks |
| 10:57.29 | ueb | is it a secure and safe mirror? |
| 10:58.35 | McFloss | it is listen in Debian web site |
| 10:58.51 | McFloss | https://debian-cd.repulsive.eu/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:58.57 | McFloss | sorry |
| 10:59.05 | McFloss | https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 10:59.07 | McFloss | here |
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| 11:00.31 | Kari | anyone got a sec to answer a quick Q? |
| 11:01.16 | ksk | !ask |
| 11:01.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:01.37 | Kari | didn't wanna barge in to someone elses queston time lol, thanks |
| 11:02.02 | Kari | i'm currently running Kali, which is debian based, and since the kali room is pretty quiet, thought i'd come try my luck here |
| 11:02.53 | ueb | McFloss thanks :) |
| 11:03.08 | ksk | !kali |
| 11:03.09 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 11:03.44 | ksk | Kari: As long as its not a really basic question (how do I use `ls') we cannot help you with Kali. |
| 11:05.14 | Kari | Using the "apt update" command, shows "3 not fully installed or removed", which are "linux-headers-5.6.0-kali2-amd64" "linux-headers-5.6.0-kali2-amd64" and "linux-image-amd64", there's the same stuff installed for kali1-amd64 etc, my question is probably somewhat universal |
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| 11:07.01 | Kari | what's throwing me tho, is it's complaining about the file /var/lib/dkms/rtl8812au/5.2.20/source/dkms.conf doesn't exist, i use realtek-rtl88xxau, not specifically 8812, so would i even have this file anyway? |
| 11:07.34 | Kari | the dpkg output is showing dependancy issues for the aforementioned 3 files, and dpkg --configure -a doesn't fix it |
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| 11:10.09 | banshi | hello all |
| 11:10.32 | Kari | yo |
| 11:10.38 | towo^work | Kari, this is #debian, not #kali |
| 11:10.39 | ksk | Kari: sorry, totally kali specific, Im afraid you will have to contact the kali support. |
| 11:11.02 | banshi | what is going on? How do I fix this? : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c446YnNGvs/ |
| 11:11.14 | MESSIAH | ksk I do all from tutorial and now I have error "/etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh failed: exit code 2" |
| 11:11.30 | towo^work | banshi, ask ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 11:11.54 | banshi | oops |
| 11:11.55 | banshi | yep |
| 11:11.57 | banshi | sorry |
| 11:12.08 | ksk | MESSIAH: maybe call it with "-x" and write the debug output somewhere. |
| 11:12.19 | ksk | or add debug output in general. |
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| 11:14.03 | McFloss | Kari: what is the output of apt-get -f install? |
| 11:14.35 | MESSIAH | ksk You mean this: "session required pam_exec.so /etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh -x" |
| 11:15.01 | ksk | rather "session required pam_exec.so bash -x /etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh " |
| 11:15.20 | ksk | or, rather: "session required pam_exec.so bash -x /etc/pam.scripts/ssh_alert.sh &>/tmp/login.log" |
| 11:15.49 | ksk | just guessing, please make sure you do not shut yourself out from that box. |
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| 11:23.55 | Kari | okay, thanks guys |
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| 11:25.15 | MESSIAH | ksk This make unable to login: 'session required pam_exec.so ' |
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| 13:19.58 | temp80009 | when I type "/names #debian" I get nothing. When I type "/who" I get to much. How do I find the names of bots on #debian? |
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| 13:24.46 | somiaj | The two bots for users are dpkg (factoids about debian) and judd (can return debian package information) |
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| 13:28.19 | temp80009 | is there a bot to ask where to find FAQ on Debian? |
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| 13:29.45 | dvs | !faq |
| 13:29.45 | dpkg | [faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC . The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ is at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ . Ask me about <search dpkg> to search my database for FAQ links. Many other FAQ are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/FAQ . Read the FAQs! |
| 13:30.26 | temp80009 | thanks |
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| 13:31.40 | choice | Hello |
| 13:32.06 | choice | The Gnome terminal seems to do word-wrap by default. Is it possible to turn that off? |
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| 13:33.23 | choice | Ah no, it is vim |
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| 13:35.32 | LtL | choice: :set linebreak |
| 13:36.14 | LtL | choice: if i recall, that will work. |
| 13:36.39 | choice | LtL: Does nothing here |
| 13:38.04 | LtL | choice: try :set nowrap |
| 13:38.28 | choice | LtL: Then the line is not wrapped. |
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| 13:39.04 | LtL | i thought that's what you want? |
| 13:41.05 | choice | I want it to wrap at the end of the terminal. |
| 13:41.27 | choice | Figured it out: :set breakat= |
| 13:41.47 | choice | That seems to tell vim "Break at whatever character is the last in the line" :) |
| 13:42.26 | choice | This has many benefits. For example that urls still work when going over the line end. |
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| 13:42.32 | Rozha | hallo |
| 13:43.00 | Rozha | hallo, need help, when i add user, doesnot add public_html , automaticly |
| 13:44.35 | choice | Rozha: U a web dev? |
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| 13:45.08 | Rozha | apache2 debian Debian 4.19.118-2 |
| 13:45.22 | Rozha | if i add public_html new user, it works |
| 13:45.42 | Rozha | host/~user |
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| 13:46.18 | Rozha | but if i add new user doesnnot add public_html |
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| 13:50.22 | n_1-c_k | Rozha, 'man adduser' and look for adduser.local. |
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| 14:58.28 | udet | hi all |
| 14:58.38 | udet | which package contains the boost generic image library? |
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| 15:01.15 | ksk | ,info libboost-all-dev |
| 15:01.16 | judd | Package libboost-all-dev (libdevel, optional) in buster/amd64: Boost C++ Libraries development files (ALL) (default version). Version: 1.67.0.1; Size: 3.9k; Installed: 10k; Homepage: http://www.boost.org/ |
| 15:01.38 | ksk | udet: ^ (leave out -dev I suppose, if you just want the library) |
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| 15:02.27 | udet | no, want the dev, but would prefer to not install everything |
| 15:02.40 | ksk | udet: then see: https://packages.debian.org/de/jessie/libboost-all-dev and choose one |
| 15:03.09 | ksk | or https://packages.debian.org/de/buster/libboost-all-dev rather for buster :) |
| 15:03.32 | udet | ksk, yes, am already there, but what package contains GIL? or does anyone contain GIL? |
| 15:03.52 | udet | I'm on parrot, so its debian testing |
| 15:04.12 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 15:04.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:04.48 | ksk | udet: sorry, no Idea. |
| 15:05.26 | udet | annadane, parrot is pretty much just a snapshot of testing repos with some additional packages... as far as I know |
| 15:05.44 | udet | ksk, np thanks |
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| 15:06.42 | giaco | when is dkms triggered? On kernel upgrade, or on kernel-headers upgrade? |
| 15:08.16 | udet | giaco, dkms depends on linux-headers |
| 15:08.32 | udet | so it should be triggered after linux-headers is upgraded |
| 15:09.26 | rickserrat | hi udet , what's GIL ? |
| 15:09.37 | udet | rickserrat, generic image library |
| 15:10.07 | udet | seems to be some adobe stuff which found its way into boost... |
| 15:10.40 | udet | but there would then for sure also be the licensing thing... I want to link it into some AGPL stuff |
| 15:10.57 | udet | so I'm also thinking about libjpeg |
| 15:11.06 | udet | just want to load images |
| 15:14.07 | giaco | udet: thanks! |
| 15:14.17 | udet | giaco, ? |
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| 15:14.23 | udet | ah yes |
| 15:15.55 | giaco | :D |
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| 15:18.38 | udet | how is that licensing thing anyway? iso nly linking against libs deployed with debian a guarantee to stay out of conflicts when writing agpl licensed software? |
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| 15:20.00 | ksk | udet: is agpl in general compatible to GPL? (that is after all, what debian uses, no?) |
| 15:21.55 | udet | ksk no, gpl is compatible with agpl but agpl is more restrictive |
| 15:22.12 | udet | so linking gpl into agpl code is ok vice versa not |
| 15:22.38 | udet | you also can relicense gpl as agpl |
| 15:23.48 | udet | and yes I would think that debian contains only gpl compatible stuff and therefore also agpl compatible |
| 15:24.38 | udet | the problem is the "more restrictive" thing probably there is some problem? |
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| 15:30.58 | ksk | I see, thanks for explaining. I suspect you wont get much help on that in here though, maybe try asking a lawyer :X |
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| 15:33.08 | rrn | Hi, I powered on a Dell PowerEdge R200 and went into the BIOS (so virtually zero load), yet the fan noise is ridiculously loud. Is the fan subsystem typically controlled by the OS by default, and if so, is it likely that Debian will support this subsystem? |
| 15:34.23 | ksk | rrn: for normal computers yes, most likely. For a server it is kind of normal to be loud as hell, and I would suspect even at like 10% fan speed it wont get that much quieter.. |
| 15:34.45 | ksk | because these have builtin very small, very fast spinning fans. |
| 15:35.08 | rrn | ksk: Hmm... I understand that it's a server, but it's virtually at 0 load, just running BIOS... And moreover I disabled two cores to save electricity... |
| 15:35.53 | ksk | Did you close the case, and checked it sees itself as closed? there is a switch IIRC, and it turns fans to 100% if case is opened. |
| 15:36.12 | rrn | ksk: yes, it is closed, and the intrusion detection switch does engage |
| 15:37.03 | ksk | https://www.dell.com/community/Systems-Management-General/Dell-PowerEdge-fan-speed-change-fanspeed-offset/td-p/5187784 might match what you are looking for, but I dont know if that actually works. |
| 15:37.52 | rrn | ksk: Hmm you know I do run an existing server (that's in the desktop form factor, not rackmount), also Dell, as a workstation. At initial powerup, the noise is loud, but on any boot therafter it's pretty quiet, even during the BIOS phase of startup. |
| 15:38.25 | ksk | rrn: I can tell you, its quite normal for dell servers :) |
| 15:38.33 | ksk | or, for servers / rack mounts in general. |
| 15:38.49 | rrn | ksk: Well it's also a Dell server...as in, an actual server (just not in the rackmount form factor). |
| 15:39.14 | ksk | yeah, but as I said, that rack form factore dictates that you only use small fans.. |
| 15:39.24 | rrn | ahh, ok |
| 15:39.44 | ksk | compare its diameters :) |
| 15:40.07 | rrn | though still, this existing server is also somewhat loud intially, but thereafter it's quite acceptable (significantly louder than a consumer desktop, but I don't care, totally reasonable for me). |
| 15:40.24 | rrn | but this new one...insanely-loud, even for me... |
| 15:41.12 | ksk | I can only repeat myself: expeted behaviour :P |
| 15:41.15 | ksk | expected* |
| 15:41.19 | rrn | Hmm IMPI would be a hassle... So it's likely that Debian won't slow down the fan(s)? |
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| 15:44.22 | rrn | ksk: Ok then, it would have to go into an unmanned room then...I wanted to put it into an office as a fallback server, just in case something happens to the server room. |
| 15:44.29 | teclo- | rrn: depend of the generation of the server |
| 15:44.41 | rrn | teclo-: Dell PowerEdge R200 |
| 15:44.54 | ksk | ooold and end of life for a long time :) |
| 15:44.58 | jhutchins | rrn: You do have the case closed? |
| 15:45.13 | rrn | jhutchins: yes, yes, and the intrusion detection sensor is engaged |
| 15:45.13 | ksk | I asked that already :D - Seems so. |
| 15:45.30 | teclo- | rrn: forinstance HP Proliant DL380 G1 through G5: very very noisy, so had to put it in the basement. DL380G8: very silent, almost nothing |
| 15:45.48 | teclo- | rrn: sorry never used Dell servers (but I have nothing against Dell servers ;) ) |
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| 15:45.57 | rrn | ksk: yes, I'll try to do everything to reduce its power consumption |
| 15:46.00 | jhutchins | Dell does support Linux. |
| 15:46.17 | jhutchins | There are some fan control programs available. |
| 15:46.42 | jhutchins | I do remember the first time we fired up a 1U Dell with the lid off the case. |
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| 15:47.03 | rrn | ksk: hopefully the idle power draw isn't high...otherwise, yes, it would be junk, unless it's used as a fallback server that starts up only when needed |
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| 15:47.33 | rrn | ksk: otherwise, I see nothing wrong with older servers, I don't need the latest specifications |
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| 17:16.57 | Casper26 | Anyone help with transmission-daemon will save to /var/lib/transmission-daemon/downloads just fine but if i switch it to save anywhere else with mirrored permissions it gets permission denied? |
| 17:17.35 | greycat | if it starts by a systemd unit, check whether the unit file has any restrictions... also, check whether it has an apparmor profile |
| 17:18.13 | greycat | also make sure the user it runs as can actually open files in that directory, which means it needs +x perms on all the PARENT dirs, and +w and +x on the leaf directory |
| 17:19.41 | sney | worksforme saving to an arbitrary zfs owned by the debian-transmission service account |
| 17:20.24 | greycat | open a shell as the service's user and see if you can cd to the directory and touch a file there |
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| 17:40.19 | Casper26 | Thank you greycat the user shell has pointed out some permission issues upward in the path |
| 17:41.42 | Casper26 | i thought adding my user to the debian-transmission group would remedy that but it seems it hasn't changing the permissions now to test |
| 17:41.59 | greycat | you need +x on every parent directory |
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| 17:54.41 | Casper26 | Thank you!! greycat it works now i was missing a +x on parent directory would have never thought to try the user shell and test write. I have worked on this 3 days lol |
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| 18:15.52 | Rozha | hallo, need help, when i add user, doesnot add public_html , automaticly |
| 18:15.59 | Rozha | apache2 debian Debian 4.19.118-2 |
| 18:16.03 | Rozha | if i add public_html new user, it works |
| 18:16.14 | Rozha | but if i add new user doesnnot add public_html |
| 18:16.47 | n_1-c_k | Rozha, 'man adduser' and look for adduser.local. |
| 18:17.08 | Rozha | n_1-c_k can u explain ? |
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| 18:19.20 | greycat | Rozha: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html |
| 18:19.38 | Rozha | i know |
| 18:19.59 | Rozha | but if i adduser, can i make it automate |
| 18:20.34 | N0SSH | adduser --home /home/public_html |
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| 18:22.54 | greycat | Rozha: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html |
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| 18:23.24 | greycat | N0SSH: that is not what's desired. They want all new users to have a ~/public_html directory created for them. |
| 18:23.43 | Rozha | greycat a want to adduser neme |
| 18:24.05 | greycat | You want to do "adduser fred" and then adduser will create /home/fred/public_html for you, yes? |
| 18:24.09 | Rozha | and he will have tith public_html |
| 18:24.14 | greycat | Rozha: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html |
| 18:24.23 | greycat | Third time. Next time is an /ignore. |
| 18:24.49 | Rozha | greycat i make |
| 18:24.54 | N0SSH | put directory in skel |
| 18:25.33 | Rozha | greycat what next ? |
| 18:25.40 | greycat | Now do your adduser. |
| 18:25.51 | Rozha | greycat mom |
| 18:25.55 | N0SSH | The /etc/skel directory contains files and directories that are automatically copied over to a new user's home directory when such user is created by the useradd program. |
| 18:27.25 | Rozha | thanks |
| 18:28.23 | Rozha | greycat , hw add ld users, ? public_html |
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| 18:28.30 | diogenes_ | is adduser and useradd the same? |
| 18:28.45 | Rozha | i hva old users, |
| 18:29.00 | Rozha | or they can only add ,, mkdir |
| 18:30.09 | greycat | adduser is a friendly front-end wrapper that calls useradd with all the crazy arguments for you |
| 18:30.11 | N0SSH | diogenes_: useradd is systm binary, adduser is perl script use useradd as backend |
| 18:30.28 | greycat | read "man adduser" and "man useradd" to see the exact details |
| 18:30.48 | greycat | Rozha: for existing users, you just have to create the directories. adduser only applies when creating new users. |
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| 18:31.10 | Rozha | okey thanks u > |
| 18:31.12 | diogenes_ | N0SSH, greycat thanks! |
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| 18:32.43 | tomreyn | diogenes_: this hints on their relation, too: file $(readlink -f $(which adduser)); file $(readlink -f $(which useradd)) |
| 18:34.14 | greycat | tomreyn: is that just a crazy-bad way of writing "ls -l /usr/sbin/{useradd,adduser}" ? |
| 18:34.49 | tomreyn | greycat: no |
| 18:35.27 | tomreyn | that's (a) pretending not to know where those are located and (b) running file against them |
| 18:35.56 | greycat | it'll fail because /usr/sbin probably isn't in the person's PATH, and if there are any spaces in any of the resulting pathnames, the lack of quoting will make it fail more |
| 18:36.43 | greycat | on Debian, at least, neither one is a symlink anyway |
| 18:37.32 | tomreyn | i agree on the quoting remark. |
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| 18:46.25 | lifostack | hi all, i added a dir to my path by running a cmd like "export PATH="${PATH}:/android-studio/bin" from the command line and i thought this exported and updated the PATH variable (permanently?) after rebooting the machine it seems to not be working |
| 18:46.54 | sney | nope, it's only permanent if it's in a file that your shell sources when it starts |
| 18:47.00 | lifostack | ok |
| 18:47.02 | greycat | That only affects the current shell. If you want it to be permanent, you have to make it run when you login, or when you start a new shell. |
| 18:47.50 | lifostack | I get that, something new that has me concerned is, how does the path know where the directory is? Should i have put PATH="${PATH}:~/android-studio/bin |
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| 18:47.58 | lifostack | if the dir is in my home directory |
| 18:48.15 | greycat | Do you login by ssh, text console, or a graphical login (display manager)? |
| 18:48.21 | lifostack | GUI |
| 18:48.31 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 18:48.52 | lifostack | i'm on debian buster so i think its wayland, if that makes a difference at all |
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| 18:51.40 | sney | you can also stick it in a file in /etc/environment.d so it's applied even if you're not logging in to a gui, e.g. via ssh or whatever. see 'man environment' |
| 18:51.40 | lifostack | greycat, how do i know when to put a full path to a directory in my path versus when i can use "shorthand" paths or w/e? |
| 18:52.27 | lifostack | im a little concerned now, when i did that temporary path export, that it worked, since i didnt specify a full path to the file |
| 18:52.37 | lifostack | and want to make sure i do it correctly next time |
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| 18:53.02 | sney | lifostack: it's best to always use full paths when adding to the PATH variable. |
| 18:53.20 | lifostack | the install readme said "Add "{installation home}/bin" to your PATH environment" |
| 18:53.44 | lifostack | i dont know the proper way to give full path, should i pwd it? |
| 18:54.10 | lifostack | nvm its /home/username/android-studio |
| 18:54.22 | lifostack | so should i have put that in the path? |
| 18:54.33 | sney | yes |
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| 18:56.59 | sney | though if you want android-studio accessible to users other than your own (e.g. root, in a login shell) then it's smarter to put it in /opt or /usr/local than your home directory. and then your PATH addition would be e.g. /opt/android-studio/bin |
| 18:58.57 | lifostack | oh ok |
| 18:59.23 | sney | !fhs |
| 18:59.24 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 18:59.29 | sney | for more on this stuff. |
| 19:00.40 | lifostack | sney, the link greycat gave me it seems to suggest that i could put my custom path in ~/.xsessionrc , is there any big diff between doing that versus putting it in ~/.bashrc ? or is it just two ways to skin a cat? |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | if you put it in .bashrc it will only work when you open bash |
| 19:01.15 | greycat | if you put it in .xsessionrc it will work in things that you launch from your desktop or whatever |
| 19:01.22 | lifostack | oh |
| 19:01.24 | sney | lifostack: .xsessionrc is only used in an X (gui) session. .bashrc is only used by bash. /etc/environment.d works everywhere, but for all users. and so on. |
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| 19:01.46 | lifostack | ok i think i get it now |
| 19:02.25 | greycat | you can't append to PATH in /etc/environment though |
| 19:03.39 | lifostack | and just so im 100% though, this appends to path regardless of where i put it? so that im not overwriting the path thats set by the root account? |
| 19:04.10 | sney | wherever you set it, if you start with ${PATH}: that means you are including the existing PATH variable. |
| 19:04.11 | greycat | because (1) /etc/environment only does literal strings, not things like $PATH:/foo and (2) /etc/environment is read too early in the login, and the shell's initialization will overwrite PATH later in /etc/profile or whatever |
| 19:04.46 | greycat | lifostack: everything depends. |
| 19:05.18 | lifostack | ok that makes sense |
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| 19:05.49 | lifostack | does the path directories found in /root/.bashrc "trickle" down into all other subsequent user accounts? |
| 19:06.02 | greycat | No. |
| 19:06.15 | greycat | /root/.bashrc is only read when you run bash as root. |
| 19:06.18 | lifostack | ok |
| 19:07.02 | lifostack | Sorry, then im still slightly confused here, because when i type echo $PATH on my non-root user account it returns a bunch of directories, but i cant find the file those directories are listed in |
| 19:07.13 | sney | /etc/profile |
| 19:07.16 | lifostack | oh ok |
| 19:07.57 | greycat | /etc/profile is read by SHELL logins (and not even all shells), but not by GUI logins |
| 19:08.08 | lifostack | thanks that was very helpful i think i finally understand it now |
| 19:09.12 | lifostack | there's a line here, the first few lines is an if/else statement, it says if id -u eq 0 ... (paraphrase) what does id -u mean? |
| 19:09.25 | greycat | run "id -u" in a terminal and see, or read "man id" |
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| 19:09.50 | lifostack | oh ok |
| 19:10.05 | lifostack | ok, so its asking if user is root |
| 19:10.10 | greycat | yup |
| 19:10.14 | lifostack | darn this was super helpful |
| 19:10.31 | lifostack | lots of options here but i think i know enough to be dangerous |
| 19:10.38 | jmcnaught | Debian 10 GNOME/Wayland /etc/profile and ~/.profile are read at login. |
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| 19:10.55 | greycat | Not all logins, I promise you. |
| 19:11.07 | greycat | But I know almost nothing about Wayland. |
| 19:11.33 | lifostack | jmcnaught: and if a .profile exists, lots of other files are skipped right? like .bash_profile and such? |
| 19:11.42 | lifostack | i read something like that yesterday when i was trying to figure this out the first time |
| 19:11.43 | greycat | Other way around, actually. |
| 19:11.52 | lifostack | oh ok, thanks for clearing that up |
| 19:12.00 | greycat | When bash is run as a login shell, it looks for ~/.bash_profile first, then ~/.bash_login, then ~/.profile |
| 19:12.05 | diogenes_ | greycat, does fvwm have wayland support? |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | no |
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| 19:13.07 | lifostack | what does the "rc" mean for files like .xsessionrc and .bashrc ? |
| 19:13.16 | greycat | "run commands" |
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| 19:17.10 | lifostack | ok well thanks a lot for the help, i've got my path edited and updated, but android-studio is still not launching, in fact its acting like its not even installed... the quick launch icon has disappeared from the gnome applications menu entirely |
| 19:17.16 | lifostack | the folder is still there |
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| 19:21.37 | lifostack | nvm its working |
| 19:21.39 | lifostack | thanks again for the help |
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| 19:25.51 | jim | hi... when I apt install kde-full from a debian buster, what version of kde is it? |
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| 19:26.21 | jim | let's see if judd knows, I'll msg it |
| 19:26.38 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html says KDE Plasma 5.14 |
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| 19:27.44 | jim | greycat, thanks for looking |
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| 19:29.32 | nulleip | libfreerdp2-2 is brooken, impossible to connect to windows xp sp3 host |
| 19:29.57 | nulleip | [ERROR][com.freerdp.core.update] - [0x01] PatBlt - update_read_dstblt_order() failed |
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| 19:32.27 | jelly | nulleip: or maybe xp is broken |
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| 19:32.48 | nulleip | jelly, nop, is perfect |
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| 19:32.57 | nulleip | jelly: i even restore to a perfect point |
| 19:33.11 | jelly | ,v xfreerdp-x11 |
| 19:33.12 | judd | No package named 'xfreerdp-x11' was found in amd64. |
| 19:33.13 | nulleip | jelly: libfreerdp2-1 works perfectly |
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| 19:33.25 | jelly | ,v freerdp-x11 |
| 19:33.26 | judd | Package: freerdp-x11 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13~deb8u3; stretch-security: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13+deb9u1; stretch: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13+deb9u3 |
| 19:33.35 | jelly | ,v freerdp2-x11 |
| 19:33.36 | judd | Package: freerdp2-x11 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-1+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-1+deb10u2; buster-backports: 2.0.0~git20190204.1.2693389a+dfsg1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.1.1+dfsg1-1+b1; sid: 2.1.2+dfsg1-1 |
| 19:33.48 | jelly | bah, zillion different packagenames |
| 19:34.36 | nulleip | jelly: will try to downgrade |
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| 19:38.49 | nulleip | there got to be an easy way to find packages on debian portal... |
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| 19:39.58 | sney | tracker.debian.org is good for stuff like this where there's 1 source package and a bunch of variably named binary packages. tracker.debian.org/freerdp |
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| 19:40.27 | sney | append a '2' for the current one |
| 19:40.54 | nulleip | https://debian.pkgs.org/11/debian-main-amd64/libfreerdp2-2_2.1.1+dfsg1-1+b1_amd64.deb.html |
| 19:41.04 | nulleip | c'mon ....I need 2-1 |
| 19:41.10 | sney | !snapshot |
| 19:41.10 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 19:41.24 | sney | previous versions live here ^ |
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| 19:46.06 | Ede|Popede | xdg-mime query default text/plain â libreoffice-writer.desktop |
| 19:46.12 | Ede|Popede | is this the default? |
| 19:47.09 | nvz | I doubt it |
| 19:47.31 | nvz | xfce has mousepad, gnome has gedit, mate has pluma, kde has kate.. etc |
| 19:47.40 | nvz | there are simpler things for plain text |
| 19:48.02 | Ede|Popede | i'm pretty sure i did never ADD anything to LO, on the contrary i tried to rip everything i need out of its greedy claws |
| 19:48.26 | Ede|Popede | what if the DE text editor is added and office after this? |
| 19:49.36 | nvz | idk cause LO is usually included in any desktop install |
| 19:49.48 | Ede|Popede | i didn't even realize this specific case before, usually i'm on xterm+mc. but now i started doublecommander and my mouse created a doubleclick again |
| 19:49.57 | Ede|Popede | srsly: why? |
| 19:50.09 | nulleip | jelly: and now it works! |
| 19:50.21 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 19:50.24 | nulleip | downloaded http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20200602T145955Z/pool/main/f/freerdp2/libfreerdp2-2_2.1.1%2Bdfsg1-1%2Bb1_amd64.deb |
| 19:50.37 | Ede|Popede | i was asked nearly 30 years ago already how i write my texts if i don't have word |
| 19:50.55 | nulleip | sney: thank you for the link |
| 19:51.01 | sney | np |
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| 19:51.21 | jelly | I suspect some security patch broke connectivity to xp RDP |
| 19:51.28 | Ede|Popede | i can't even imagine a need for office on home PCs, and if i'd need something for a thesis or scientific paper i'd rather learn to use TeX properly |
| 19:51.41 | jelly | because xp very likely uses outdated crypto |
| 19:52.05 | jelly | OTOH it might be an actual regression |
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| 20:17.18 | Bugz000 | who helped me the other day i worked out what brought dhcpcd5 in |
| 20:18.52 | BuzzardBuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.32 | sney | no they just had dhcpcd getting route information from dhcp and it was breaking their reachability |
| 20:19.42 | Bugz000 | ah i have no issue before, the kind person who helped me last time fixed it :) |
| 20:19.44 | sney | Bugz000: do you have a new question or are you just following up |
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| 20:20.05 | Bugz000 | i am just following up, dhcpcd5 got on my server somehow, i don't remember installing but he could tell it was manually installed! |
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| 20:20.29 | Bugz000 | i feared a security breach of sorts, not sure why someone would install that but either way i was certain i hadn't installed it |
| 20:20.31 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:20.37 | sney | I thought you already determined it was probably because you pasted some command from stackexchange |
| 20:20.51 | Bugz000 | yup, i thought but i'd never seen it before, i just worked it out though |
| 20:20.54 | sney | anyway, if you don't have a support question, you don't need to let us know the rest of the story. |
| 20:20.55 | Bugz000 | it was pihole! :) |
| 20:21.02 | greycat | You "could tell" it was manually installed... how? Beacuse apt mark said so? Apt mark is well known to lie about the packages that were installed by the installer. |
| 20:21.13 | greycat | And dhcpcd5 is a DEAD GIVEAWAY that this is Raspbian. |
| 20:21.17 | Bugz000 | i couldn't tell anything, helper person could though |
| 20:21.22 | Bugz000 | it's not raspbian |
| 20:21.39 | sney | greycat: it's not raspbian, it's a kludge from someone who pastes stuff without reading it. |
| 20:21.55 | Bugz000 | hahahha, USED TO, not anymore |
| 20:21.56 | greycat | Oh wonderful. A frankendebian. |
| 20:21.59 | Bugz000 | i really do need to start fresh |
| 20:22.04 | sney | you should. |
| 20:22.12 | Bugz000 | it is debian 10 buster on a quad core AMD pc |
| 20:22.53 | Bugz000 | the pihole dev is uh... let's say me and him have had disagreements |
| 20:23.04 | Bugz000 | and i am now banned on the reddit |
| 20:23.08 | sney | !offtopic |
| 20:23.08 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:23.15 | Bugz000 | oooh nice :D i shall hop over |
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| 20:34.12 | yazgi | I got a popup message in tbird saying enigmail will be part of tbird in the future, but don't follow the language |
| 20:34.39 | yazgi | says something like 'if critical' then don't manually update the add-on, if 'not critical' then do ? |
| 20:35.20 | sney | ,i enigmail |
| 20:35.21 | judd | Package enigmail (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: GPG support for Thunderbird and Debian Icedove. Version: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; Size: 1096.7k; Installed: 8973k; Homepage: https://www.enigmail.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/enigmail |
| 20:36.02 | sney | sounds like it'll be included directly in thunderbird rather than being a separate addon, maybe? |
| 20:36.39 | yazgi | sney: yes I think it said version 72 , but not sure how that translates to debian 10 |
| 20:37.08 | sney | if you're using the tbird package from debian stable then it won't affect you at all |
| 20:37.21 | sney | but just make a mental note for next year when the next stable comes out |
| 20:38.22 | yazgi | maybe during tbird upgrade to 72 there will be some warning to uninstall enigmail? I was surprised to see a popup in debian |
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| 20:40.20 | sney | if the popup was *in* thunderbird it's probably just part of the upstream source |
| 20:41.27 | yazgi | upstream source? yes, I'm assuming it was *from thunderbird |
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| 20:51.56 | yagi | ART ho provato ad entrare su #trash di azzurra, ma il chanserv mi dice "vietato l'ingresso, chan "proibito"" o una cosa del genere |
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| 20:52.55 | sney | !it |
| 20:52.55 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. - debian-italian@lists.debian.org |
| 20:53.34 | yazgi | sney: maybe tbird allows push messages? |
| 20:53.44 | alexrelis[m] | yazgi: The popup was from the Enigmail plugin, I believe. |
| 20:53.47 | sney | I mean, it is an email client. |
| 20:54.17 | yazgi | oh nevermind, looks like enigmail self-updated june 27 must be It |
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| 21:00.28 | Delta706 | alexrelis: are you here? |
| 21:01.04 | alexrelis[m] | As a side-note, Thunderbird is an amazing program and I'm really glad they're moving to native PGP support. I use it for my four mail accounts, IRC, more than 100 RSS feeds, and calendar/contacts/reminders syncing via the tbsync plugin it may be the best mail I ever used. |
| 21:01.12 | alexrelis[m] | Delta706: Yes. What do you need? |
| 21:02.10 | Delta706 | you asked for feedback. I reduced the timeout to 2 seconds and it seemed to work. thanks for the help |
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| 21:03.31 | alexrelis[m] | Delta706: No prob! Have a nice day. |
| 21:04.22 | Delta706 | alexrelis, so you can supply the same solution to other people who experience this hang on shutting down |
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| 21:05.37 | alexrelis[m] | Delta706: Yes! |
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| 21:06.37 | yazgi | alexrelis[m]: you've compared tbird rss vs. others like quiterss?, never tried irc on tbird |
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| 21:07.30 | yazgi | for a while iirc tbird almost died before mozilla seemed to sync the versions with ff |
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| 21:11.49 | alexrelis[m] | yazgi: I've tried both. They feel very similar (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs). |
| 21:11.49 | alexrelis[m] | I ultimately ended with Tbird because it meant opening up less programs, as I already used Tbird for mail. |
| 21:13.25 | jhutchins | What options are there to do an automatic daily check for updates? I think there's a widget in gnome, but this is for a headless server. |
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| 21:13.54 | independent | https://github.com/independentcod/mollyweb |
| 21:15.14 | jhutchins | independent: Ok. What is it? |
| 21:15.50 | independent | Clone of the website I made for the model I want to marry and have kids with |
| 21:18.04 | alexrelis[m] | jhutchins: You can configure unattended-upgrades to update your repos and download (not install) the upgrades. You can also make it automatically install security upgrades, but this is not recommended at all on a production server. |
| 21:18.04 | alexrelis[m] | Check out the documentation: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 21:19.03 | jhutchins | alexrelis[m]: Thanks. Yeah, don't want automated installs, just want to know when there are updates. I do get security announcements. |
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| 21:21.23 | alexrelis[m] | I do have my server set to automatically download the packages, but not install. I find that quite handy. |
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| 21:27.06 | yazgi | do i need a/the rss feed for security updates, i just have deb news which shows point releases |
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| 21:27.50 | greycat | you can subscribe to security announcements by email, or you can simply do "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" once in a while, or you can set up unattended-upgrades |
| 21:28.24 | greycat | or any combination of the above |
| 21:28.57 | coruja | or https://www.debian.org/security/dsa |
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| 21:30.23 | yazgi | if one must wait for the point releases anyway, maybe thats enough? |
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| 21:31.40 | petn-randall | yazgi: Point releases are just roll-ups of previous security updates and major bugfixes. You probably want them earlier, like when they're released, not months later. |
| 21:31.43 | petn-randall | (IMHO) |
| 21:32.16 | yazgi | oh right sorry dist-upgrade is point releases , nm |
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| 21:34.54 | alexrelis[m] | I use full-upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. Not sure if there is a difference, but I just thought I'd mention it. |
| 21:35.11 | petn-randall | yazgi: no, `dist-upgrade` allows removal or addition of packages during upgrade, this has nothing to do with point releases. |
| 21:35.36 | petn-randall | `apt-get dist-upgrade` being the full command. |
| 21:36.55 | greycat | Using dist-upgrade is sometimes *necessary* on point releases because there's a new kernel ABI version. Hence, I can see why people would start conflating them. |
| 21:37.48 | greycat | It can also be needed on regular old security updates, particularly when the kernel is being patched, but I've seen it with Samba, with Firefox.... |
| 21:38.12 | greycat | *cough* bind9 and its utilities |
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| 21:44.54 | yazgi | er so what Is the point release invokation, not unlikely i've been using debian wrong for forever |
| 21:46.20 | petn-randall | yazgi: `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` is what I run by hand. You of course need a properly configured sources.list (if it's untouched it's right). |
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| 22:12.20 | alexrelis | I've been having this problem for quite some time now with VLC. If I ever close it, it just kind of stays as a process. And if I ever try to kill it, it just stays there as if it was a zombie process. This happens most of the time, if not always. I believe there was an update to VLC recently but the update didn't fix the issue. Could it be a bug? |
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| 23:30.01 | warsoul | no updates all this days? |
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| 23:30.22 | yazgi | bienvenue a stable ? |
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| 23:56.57 | petn-randall | warsoul: Yes, no, maybe? Not sure what you're asking for |
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| 23:57.57 | warsoul | petn-randall doing apt update |
| 23:58.09 | warsoul | and there is no update for few long days |
| 23:58.10 | warsoul | :P |
