| 00:00.15 | petn-randall | warsoul: Well, that command doesn't install any updates. |
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| 00:03.14 | warsoul | whats the command? |
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| 00:03.37 | quadrathoch2 | apt upgrade |
| 00:03.38 | apt | Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn. |
| 00:03.56 | petn-randall | warsoul: `man apt` will show you the documentation for that program. |
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| 00:04.04 | petn-randall | apt: Are you a bot? |
| 00:04.46 | coruja | apt update |
| 00:04.46 | apt | i heard update is to refresh the mirrors |
| 00:04.55 | coruja | looks like |
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| 00:06.03 | coruja | and btw, 'apt update' shows if there are any updates to install, and it's quite normal that there aren't any for days while running stable |
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| 00:09.46 | avu | apt moo |
| 00:09.47 | apt | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:29.13 | annadane | ...worst. invention. ever. |
| 00:29.36 | alexrelis[m] | apt: this made me chuckle. Very funny apt, very funny. |
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| 00:45.53 | yazgi | apt moo hamburger |
| 00:45.53 | apt | ACTION moos at hamburger |
| 00:46.25 | yazgi | apt-get moo steak |
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| 00:56.27 | alexrelis[m] | avu is trying to turn this entire channel into cows! |
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| 01:12.15 | sponix | Anyone have suggestions on making an Qanba Obsidian Fight Stick work with Linux Steam for Street Fighter 5 ? |
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| 01:23.29 | annadane | sponix, no but the only thing i can possibly think of is use dmesg -w when you plug it in and see if it's detected and if it isn't look for any missing firmware and/or try a backported kernel |
| 01:25.44 | annadane | if it doesn't Just Work already |
| 01:25.57 | annadane | or ask steam support |
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| 01:37.21 | sponix | annadane: thanks.. I am on an odd route that might work. Someone else say qjoypad -- It maps everything on the stick to keyboard inputs. And Street Fighter 5 does work with the keyboard. So having my Fight stick mapped to that _should_ work lol |
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| 01:39.23 | plt | Does anyone know how to change mariadb bind to 0.0.0.0 please? |
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| 01:44.31 | sponix | plt: that is likely a my.cnf config variable setting. sure the online manual makes references to it |
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| 01:47.38 | plt | I am using this https://linuxize.com/post/mysql-remote-access/ and its not correct |
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| 01:49.36 | plt | what <sponix> plt: that is likely a my.cnf config variable setting. sure the online manual makes are you refering to please?/ |
| 01:55.08 | quadrathoch2 | plt did you look into /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf ? |
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| 02:02.47 | plt | Thanks. That is weird place to put the cnf |
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| 04:48.10 | somiaj | Is there a name for the convention to make all webiste locations foo/bar/index.html instead of just foo/bar.html (this way all links look like https://domain.com/foo/bar/) |
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| 04:49.30 | sney | not that I can think of, besides "supports better url rewriting" I guess |
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| 04:53.51 | somiaj | I was just trying to search for a write up on it (for some documenation) and was wondering if it had a name/convention I could use as a keyword |
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| 07:30.55 | Haohmaru | bluh, can't seem to find a tool for debian that can write a crapdows.iso onto a usb flash stick |
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| 07:31.57 | Pampeano | Meu local: null, Brasil |
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| 07:33.37 | quadrathoch2 | look at woeusb, on GitHub, sadly afaik right now the GUI is broken, but the cli script is working |
| 07:33.50 | quadrathoch2 | haohmaru ^ |
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| 08:04.02 | kiwiirc | does debian run .AppImage files natively? |
| 08:05.30 | quadrathoch2 | kiwiirc it should work fine |
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| 08:30.19 | hattkunskapz | hi, can i update a kernel many version apart? |
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| 08:30.57 | apollo13 | kiwiirc: define "natively", an appimage is "just" a binary shipping all the dependencies |
| 08:31.09 | apollo13 | it is basically system indepedent and doesn't require external tooling |
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| 08:34.16 | kiwiirc | apollo13 i thought it wasn't working but i just needed to +x it |
| 08:34.19 | kiwiirc | ty |
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| 09:14.42 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox |
| 09:14.43 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 77.0-1 |
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| 09:15.03 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 09:15.04 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: |
| 09:15.05 | judd | 68.9.0esr-1; sid: 68.9.0esr-1 |
| 09:15.25 | NetTerminalGene | next version will be 78 ESR, right? |
| 09:15.34 | NetTerminalGene | soon |
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| 10:24.18 | kiwiirc | what's wrong with the sed command in my bash script pls? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xbk6Bm8nTp/ |
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| 10:25.20 | nkuttler | kiwiirc: please use paste.debian.net |
| 10:26.04 | nkuttler | kiwiirc: also what's the '' supposed to be there? |
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| 10:33.27 | kiwiirc | oh sorry about that. and i don't remember, i wrote it a long time ago on macos |
| 10:33.36 | kiwiirc | should i try it with that removed? |
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| 10:38.10 | kiwiirc | ty nkuttler! |
| 10:38.58 | nkuttler | perhaps a different sed version? bsd.. |
| 10:39.31 | kiwiirc | ya |
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| 10:52.56 | XATRIX | Hi ,can you advice ? I can't get updates for repositories. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tPv65bqRcG/ |
| 10:53.24 | XATRIX | I did apt-get clean all. But it doesn't help me so far |
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| 11:06.26 | jelly | XATRIX: which version of debian-archive-keyring package is installed? |
| 11:07.38 | XATRIX | jelly: Installed: 2017.5+deb9u1 |
| 11:07.39 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.30 | dawg_ | Alex_001: |
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| 11:09.20 | jelly | XATRIX: the key NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 for security.debian.org should be in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg file, do you have that on the system? |
| 11:10.13 | XATRIX | jelly: yea, i have that file |
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| 11:10.38 | XATRIX | jelly: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.1K May 25 2017 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg |
| 11:10.47 | XATRIX | sounds if it's not dated |
| 11:11.45 | jelly | that seems fine |
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| 11:19.00 | Alex_001 | Hello there, I would like to know how do I add ipv6 aaddresses on ssh? |
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| 11:19.47 | Alex_001 | I have a Debian 9 minimal installed |
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| 11:31.10 | nkuttler | Alex_001: what do you mean by add? |
| 11:34.21 | rjsalts | how do you stop aptitude from trying to solve dependencies. it's just eating cpu trying to figure out a resolution and I'm trying to fix it manually |
| 11:36.12 | Alex_001 | nkuttler: what I meant was adding it to iptables |
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| 11:53.26 | dff | im running a daemon that outputs to console, how do i pipe that output to a file while also having the output still going to console? |
| 11:53.38 | dff | i know how to pipe it to a file but not still have it going to console |
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| 11:56.58 | XATRIX | Seems like i have a crash of repositories |
| 11:56.59 | XATRIX | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bJPRV6rpVH/ |
| 11:57.07 | XATRIX | Any idea how to switch to native debian ? |
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| 12:00.58 | XATRIX | [root@meds ~]# apt-get update |
| 12:00.58 | XATRIX | Err:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease |
| 12:00.58 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.07 | XATRIX | But i can ping it O_o |
| 12:01.12 | XATRIX | [root@meds ~]# ping deb.debian.org |
| 12:01.12 | XATRIX | PING debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.86.133) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 12:01.12 | XATRIX | 64 bytes from 151.101.86.133 (151.101.86.133): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=30.6 ms |
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| 12:09.53 | sgi_ | QQ ALL |
| 12:10.32 | sgi_ | Is anyone here? |
| 12:10.52 | dvs | !ask |
| 12:10.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:11.12 | XATRIX | dvs: any idea why apt can't resolve official repositories |
| 12:11.13 | XATRIX | ? |
| 12:11.19 | XATRIX | Err:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease |
| 12:11.19 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.29 | XATRIX | but i ping it well |
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| 12:13.27 | dvs | XATRIX, works for me |
| 12:14.26 | XATRIX | Yes, but something is wrong on my setup |
| 12:14.40 | XATRIX | dvs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bJPRV6rpVH/ |
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| 12:14.54 | dvs | I don't deal with frankendebians |
| 12:15.25 | XATRIX | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rd4bVZsDcT/ |
| 12:15.31 | XATRIX | the native repos |
| 12:17.10 | Acheron | could be a networking setting got hosed |
| 12:18.47 | XATRIX | but the dns server works OK |
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| 12:20.14 | XATRIX | chmod o+r /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:20.19 | XATRIX | fixed the problem O_O |
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| 12:22.11 | jelly | how did you manage to get resolv.conf permissions broken is a good question |
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| 12:47.02 | XATRIX | jelly: i have really no idea O_o.... /*frustrated....*/ |
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| 14:00.45 | hejux | it is weird that permission of my $HOME is drwxr-xr-x, is this normal? |
| 14:01.00 | greycat | very normal |
| 14:01.13 | hejux | any user can read my $HOME? |
| 14:01.18 | greycat | Yup. |
| 14:01.25 | hejux | feel unsafe |
| 14:01.30 | greycat | Then change it. |
| 14:01.50 | hejux | chown -R 700? |
| 14:02.08 | greycat | Just remember that if you have a ~/public_html/ and you expect the web server to be able to read it, you'll need to retain at least 711 on $HOME and $HOME/public_html |
| 14:02.20 | greycat | No, do NOT use -R 700. |
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| 14:02.49 | greycat | If you want to isolate yourself and not let anyone in (not even web servers), just chmod 700 $HOME. |
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| 14:03.19 | ruben23 | hi guys anyone can help. when i start my newly installed mariaDb i got this error -----> https://pastebin.com/9uih0R5i <---------------- it failed to start, please help |
| 14:03.30 | greycat | Unix was built around communities where sharing is the norm, so having a world-accessible $HOME lets you tell your coworkers "hey, check out my new foobar.c file". |
| 14:03.51 | hejux | i see. |
| 14:04.00 | hejux | ok, i'll let it be. |
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| 14:06.53 | hejux | greycat: dude, you're everywhere, thank you. |
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| 14:11.00 | rrn | hejux: Ha, I got shocked from that as well! |
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| 14:11.37 | rrn | hejux: That's a sensible default for a strictly-work environment (where much of *nix usage occurs), though. |
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| 14:36.51 | gpunk | is just me tripping, or aptitude has been removed from Debian ? |
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| 14:40.10 | greycat | ,v aptitude |
| 14:40.11 | judd | Package: aptitude on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.7-1; buster: 0.8.11-7; bullseye: 0.8.13-1+b1; sid: 0.8.13-1+b1 |
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| 14:40.27 | greycat | you may need to install the package |
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| 14:43.05 | gpunk | Yes, it is me tripping ! thank you |
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| 14:49.41 | annadane | if aptitude is randomly removed i'd be *very* concerned |
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| 14:50.26 | greycat | Most likely they did a new install and for whatever reason, they didn't select one of the tasks that brings in aptitude. |
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| 15:45.46 | ruben23 | hi guys any idea where to find the logs aside from mysql log coz my database isnot starting up at all -------> Starting MariaDB database server mysqld [fail] |
| 15:46.16 | greycat | "systemctl status mariadb" and "journalctl -u mariadb" might be good starting points |
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| 16:18.48 | lifostack | hi all, can someone tell me the best way to change my user login password i'm on debian 10 buster using wayland |
| 16:19.06 | nkuttler | open a terminal and use passwd? |
| 16:19.19 | lifostack | ok just wanted to make sure that was the /best/ way to do it |
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| 16:19.56 | greycat | !best |
| 16:19.56 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:20.26 | greycat | It's the way most unix veterans would choose, probably. |
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| 16:21.48 | jelly | it's also the easiest to explain over irc |
| 16:21.57 | lifostack | thats what i usually mean by best, i'll have to start saying "how unix vets would do" instead |
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| 16:26.26 | lifostack | ok so i've just updated my password(s) and they're all very long, like 20+ chars, is there anything i can do about sudo and having to retype ultra long passwords everytime i want to use something that requires sudo or elevated permissions? |
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| 16:32.08 | greycat | if you run two sudo commands in the same terminal within 15 minutes of each other, you won't have to type the password a second time |
| 16:32.39 | greycat | that timeout period is configurable. you can also configure specific commands to not require a password at all, but that can be dangerous if people can walk by your desk |
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| 16:36.28 | lifostack | greycat gotcha. |
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| 16:57.27 | RoyK | greycat: NOPASSWD: ALL also works, if you really trust everything, but usually not recommended. Raspbian comes preconfigured with that for the pi user, which ironically is preconfigured with a known password :þ |
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| 16:58.39 | SerajewelKS | NOPASSWD also has implications for RCE |
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| 16:59.36 | RoyK | SerajewelKS: RCE? |
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| 17:00.01 | greycat | usually stands for remote code execution |
| 17:00.09 | greycat | !rce |
| 17:00.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, rce is Remote Code Execution, a type of security bug |
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| 17:07.04 | RoyK | well, NOPASSWD won't do that alone, but if you have a bug in some other software - well |
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| 17:28.30 | SerajewelKS | right, i mean that NOPASSWD can create a secondary exploit |
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| 17:29.44 | Shadur | No more so than deliberately leaving the keys in the lock means the lock is suddenly flawed. |
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| 17:42.33 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys does debian have a GUI to burn ISO to Memory Card. |
| 17:43.45 | jelly | what, like etcher.io |
| 17:44.09 | Psil0Cybin | kind of , but anything in the repos or would i use dd? |
| 17:44.17 | Psil0Cybin | i do not want to install the file off the website |
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| 17:46.13 | jelly | I know not of one, but it's quite possible GUI file managers these days have that functionality. |
| 17:46.41 | quadrathoch2 | Psil0Cybin what DE are you using? |
| 17:46.52 | leorat | there is a etcher .appimage here https://appimage.github.io/apps/ |
| 17:46.56 | jelly | Also you'd avoid dd and use cp instead, maybe, or be careful to give dd a nice large obs= |
| 17:47.14 | jelly | or pv because PROGRESS BAR |
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| 17:50.06 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 17:50.09 | Psil0Cybin | im using xfce4 quadrathoch2 |
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| 17:50.18 | Psil0Cybin | i found the app to burn iso -> CD gui but no memory stick. |
| 17:50.19 | GNULinuxPay | I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single user, $49 for each computer if purchasing for 25 or more machines. Bitcoin payment only! |
| 17:50.22 | Psil0Cybin | or usb device. |
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| 17:50.52 | quadrathoch2 | Psil0Cybin, hm on xfce is only imho gnome-disks |
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| 17:50.59 | quadrathoch2 | that's mostly native |
| 17:51.49 | greycat | If your intention is to get the entire irccloud.com gateway banned, you're doing a terrific job of it. |
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| 17:54.49 | jelly | slightly better to ban the account than just the session |
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| 17:55.02 | Psil0Cybin | quadrathoch2, would i ned to install gnome disks |
| 17:55.07 | Psil0Cybin | and is gnome disks different than xfburn? |
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| 17:55.32 | jelly | greycat: but they seem to be registering new accounts quickly, and were a right PITA a week or so back |
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| 17:57.37 | quadrathoch2 | Psil0Cybin xfburn burns images to cds as it is a cd burner. gnome-disks is a disk utility for internal drives and usb sticks (where SD cards are also included) |
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| 18:03.19 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 18:03.39 | Psil0Cybin | E: Unable to locate package gnome-disks |
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| 18:04.08 | Psil0Cybin | i think quadrathoch2 gnome-disk-utility |
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| 18:05.56 | quadrathoch2 | Psil0Cybin, yup, sorry they renamed it later to gnome-disks :) |
| 18:06.52 | Psil0Cybin | quadrathoch2, sorry so last question |
| 18:06.59 | Psil0Cybin | does burning ISO = Restoring ISO? |
| 18:07.07 | GNULinuxGenuine | I'm GLAT agent too. |
| 18:08.12 | quadrathoch2 | Psil0Cybin yes so you image the data onto the disk |
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| 18:11.36 | Psil0Cybin | thanks quadrathoch2. |
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| 18:23.49 | N0SSH | hb2u |
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| 18:24.29 | bjarne333 | congrats: 🎂 |
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| 18:33.43 | Lady_Aleena | Quick question, is the .cache dir in my $HOME like a temporary dir that I can empty out without problems occurring? |
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| 18:34.38 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: you can probably clean out the contents; not necessarily the directories therein, if it's anything like /var/cache |
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| 18:39.16 | Lady_Aleena | So I want to remove all the files and not directories. Got it. Now, I looked on the web to see how to do it and found `find . ! -type d -exec rm '{}' \;` on https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/84317/how-to-delete-files-only-but-keep-the-directory-structure Is that accurate? |
| 18:40.12 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: if you want to remove files... remove files. |
| 18:40.24 | greycat | you can use -delete instead of -exec rm {} + |
| 18:40.32 | greycat | it's a GNU extension, but this is #debian so it's there |
| 18:41.00 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, just checking before I do something stupid and screw up my system (any more than it already is). |
| 18:41.12 | jelly | find ~/.cache -type f -print to confirm what it is you're selectiing, and then replace -print with -delete |
| 18:42.14 | jelly | I'd also verify no running processes used any of those, lsof is your friend |
| 18:43.24 | greycat | Logging out of X and logging in on a plain console is also a friend. |
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| 18:46.14 | jelly | so my .cache is 1.5GB |
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| 18:47.00 | Lady_Aleena | I played it safe and just deleted the mozilla and chromium directories' files. Thank you for your help. |
| 18:47.18 | jelly | browsers by far, then apt-file the distant third |
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| 18:47.39 | greycat | The nice thing about knowing you're nuking a browser's cache is you only have to close the browser, not X. |
| 18:48.17 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, vlc has a dir in .cache and I didn't want to turn off my music at the moment. |
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| 19:07.00 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: is your concern freeing up disk space? |
| 19:07.50 | nvz | because ~/.thumbnails and ~/.cache/thumbnails are typically the larger of the dirs for people who use a GUI file manager.. |
| 19:08.00 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, I was working on something else and thought getting the .cache cleared would help. It did not, though it is nice to have the browsers' caches cleared. |
| 19:08.34 | Lady_Aleena | It appears that the browsers are NOT clearing the caches when they close. |
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| 19:09.02 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: you can also do crap like making a dir like "mkdir tmp; HOME=tmp/ mycommand" and run something in a clean home to see how it functions |
| 19:09.18 | nvz | you'll know then what dirs it creates and how it behaves with no data |
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| 19:09.53 | greycat | Not everything will blindly respect the HOME variable, though. |
| 19:10.00 | nvz | this wont typically effect other things like the env, the dbus/dconf, stuff in /tmp etc.. |
| 19:10.31 | greycat | also, you would want HOME to be an absolute path |
| 19:10.35 | Lady_Aleena | However, I do want to get $HOME as small as possible when I go to back it up somewhere. I am thinking about taking out my current hard drive soon and doing a fresh install of Buster on a new drive. |
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| 19:16.52 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: the usual solution for backups is to backup everything by default and add careful, specific exclusions |
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| 19:17.10 | roo- | Should "start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile file.pid" send a TERM to both the process and its child processes? If not, is there a standard way to achieve this? |
| 19:17.25 | greycat | Why on earth are you using start-stop-daemon in 2020... |
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| 19:17.56 | jelly | roo-: a decently written daemon will tell all its children to die and wait for them to do so |
| 19:18.06 | roo- | greycat: My bad... what's recommended? |
| 19:18.22 | greycat | Set up the service as a systemd unit, and use Type=forking. |
| 19:18.31 | dreamer | hmm, having lots of issues with X lately (buster, nvidia driver) |
| 19:19.12 | dreamer | usually with some video chat it ends up b0rking heavily, but right now I didn't do anything with the computer. and X is using one full core. load on the machine is like 3 |
| 19:26.00 | dreamer | must be something with the nvidia driver (running one from backports), nvidia-smi is really slow and shows errors |
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| 19:26.39 | dreamer | starting any gui program uses a full cpu core and takes ages to load |
| 19:27.22 | dreamer | only way to restorte the machine is to do a hard reset |
| 19:27.42 | dreamer | can't even restart x, it'll just hang |
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| 19:50.10 | nvz | dreamer: SAK |
| 19:52.48 | dreamer | SAK ? |
| 19:53.00 | nvz | Sysrq+Alt+K |
| 19:53.05 | nvz | dpkg, sak? |
| 19:53.06 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, nvz |
| 19:53.28 | dreamer | oh, not: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/SAK.txt ? |
| 19:53.29 | dreamer | :P |
| 19:53.35 | nvz | probably |
| 19:54.00 | nvz | ah no thats archaic |
| 19:54.09 | nvz | its now a function of the magic sysrq key |
| 19:54.19 | nvz | it instructs the kernel to kill processes |
| 19:54.29 | dreamer | and then what? |
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| 19:54.49 | nvz | well usually results in being sent back to your display manager as systemd restarts it.. |
| 19:55.00 | nvz | but its a good way to get hold of a run away system |
| 19:55.16 | dreamer | hmm |
| 19:55.18 | RoyK | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 19:55.38 | dreamer | well, this sometimes happens multiple times a day .. so really need to look for a more permanent solution |
| 19:55.49 | dreamer | but this might help to prevent a hard reset |
| 19:55.54 | dreamer | will try it next time |
| 19:56.37 | nvz | yes and even if that is required there is a sysrq mantra to do it more safely |
| 19:57.02 | RoyK | alt+sysrq S U B |
| 19:57.04 | nvz | you can flush disks, unmount them, stop processes, and issue a reboot and such all with sysrq commands |
| 19:57.04 | RoyK | for instance |
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| 19:57.23 | dreamer | yeah I've always remembered the 'raising skinny elephants is utterly boring' mnemonic |
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| 19:57.35 | dreamer | but recently someone said it should be different hehe |
| 19:57.41 | dreamer | don't remember the 'proper' one though :# |
| 19:57.55 | RoyK | for cmd in S U B ; do echo $cmd > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; sleep 3 ; done |
| 19:57.58 | dreamer | but afaik I tried it some time ago when this happened and it didn't work |
| 19:58.04 | nvz | it also is goot in my opinion cause it tells you how bad the situation is |
| 19:58.13 | nvz | the kernel should be able to sysrq no matter what |
| 19:58.19 | nvz | if that doesnt work you know its really hung |
| 19:59.21 | nvz | until I've tried things like toggling keyboard lights like numlock and a sysrq I dont consider a machine hung |
| 19:59.44 | nvz | and the SAK is handy if you know you just did something stupid like accidentally opened a bunch of really HD images in the gimp and you're gonna OOM |
| 19:59.55 | dreamer | well things are still 'running' sort of. but somehow X is incredibly slow. any graphical process is like a snail on opium |
| 20:00.02 | dreamer | I'll try the SAK thing next time anyway |
| 20:00.12 | dreamer | I'm definitely not OOM |
| 20:00.25 | dreamer | have 32GB and htop showed only ~1.5GB in use |
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| 20:00.35 | dreamer | but somehow a load of 3 |
| 20:00.48 | dreamer | and anytime I do anything graphical Xorg uses a full cpu core |
| 20:00.56 | nvz | also persistent journaling is off by default so a SAK will preserve journal so you can investigate |
| 20:01.22 | RoyK | some distros won't allow killing processes with sysrq - see https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysrq.html and check sysctl kernel.sysrq |
| 20:01.58 | RoyK | some, like rhel/centos, disables magic sysrq altogether, which is rather annoying |
| 20:03.03 | dreamer | will try upstream nvidia driver to see if it's more stable -_- |
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| 20:04.15 | metbsd | when will there be major version upgrade? |
| 20:04.24 | metbsd | like moving testing to stable process |
| 20:04.30 | jelly | when it's ready |
| 20:04.32 | greycat | releases are usually 2-3 years apart |
| 20:04.51 | jelly | !when will bullseye release |
| 20:04.51 | dpkg | REALLY!!1!? We've got to release buster first. |
| 20:05.01 | jelly | we did that, dpkg |
| 20:05.01 | greycat | um. |
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| 20:05.10 | nvz | !buster |
| 20:05.10 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 20:05.14 | greycat | poor dpkg, nobody tells it nothin' |
| 20:05.23 | nvz | you got probably another year at least.. |
| 20:05.31 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye has a (proposed) timeline |
| 20:05.33 | metbsd | the next version will be bullseye stable right? |
| 20:05.46 | nvz | !bullseye |
| 20:05.46 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/07/msg00002.html |
| 20:05.49 | metbsd | how did you get those names, lol |
| 20:05.57 | jelly | adds "when will release+1 release" to the list of factoids that need to be fixed for every release |
| 20:05.59 | greycat | !release history |
| 20:05.59 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 20:06.55 | annadane | that factoid is just about out of space |
| 20:07.25 | greycat | I guess we'll have to split it into two factoids when that happens. |
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| 20:07.42 | annadane | or stick dpkg in a matrix bridge |
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| 20:07.52 | annadane | * dpkg[m] sent a long message: |
| 20:07.55 | nvz | or make two digit dates, or remove the hyphens in the dates..etc |
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| 20:09.06 | metbsd | toy story, haha |
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| 20:09.59 | greycat | because Bruce Perens worked at Pixar |
| 20:11.38 | metbsd | amazing. looking at this guys resume |
| 20:11.52 | SerajewelKS | Shadur: wasn't saying the lock was flawed, just pointing out that people walking by one's desk (as was mentioned before) aren't the only entities who might be able to use NOPASSWD lines maliciously |
| 20:12.36 | annadane | !wwbur |
| 20:12.37 | dpkg | Bullseye?! GO AWAY!! I've just finished releasing Buster! |
| 20:12.51 | annadane | i should probably delete that |
| 20:13.00 | annadane | dpkg, forget wwbur |
| 20:13.01 | dpkg | i forgot wwbur, annadane |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | "and boy is my uterus tired" |
| 20:13.17 | dreamer | well that failed horribly. now I'm without a working graphics driver :D |
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| 20:14.14 | jhutchins | dreamer: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 20:14.34 | jhutchins | dreamer: What guide were you following? |
| 20:14.56 | greycat | 15:18 dreamer> hmm, having lots of issues with X lately (buster, nvidia driver) |
| 20:15.04 | dreamer | I decided I would remove the bpo driver and use the upstream driver |
| 20:15.09 | dreamer | and that failed :) |
| 20:15.12 | greycat | My first question, which I didn't actually ask, was "what happened 'lately', what did you change..." |
| 20:15.42 | dreamer | I didn't change anything. it's been going off for the past months. usually after I've been doing lots of video chats (lockdown etc.) |
| 20:16.02 | dreamer | but the past week it's been multiple times a day. typically during team meetings (we use google meet at work) |
| 20:16.25 | dreamer | X grinding to a halt and I'm unable to do anything until I hard reset the machine |
| 20:16.34 | jhutchins | I don't know of anyone who has had a problem with the driver from Nvidia if they followed the instructions from Nvidia. |
| 20:16.35 | dreamer | so, I figured: lets try the latest upstream driver |
| 20:17.04 | dreamer | I removed the bpo driver and related packages and then ran the nvidia installer |
| 20:17.14 | jhutchins | dreamer: Does the "latest" support your chipset? |
| 20:17.15 | greycat | Drivers that *worked* don't suddenly *stop* working. |
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| 20:17.32 | dreamer | jhutchins: yes |
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| 20:17.52 | dreamer | "worked" is a relative term |
| 20:17.55 | dreamer | it works "until" |
| 20:18.01 | dreamer | and I can't say what exactly 'changed' |
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| 20:18.20 | dreamer | I regularly update this machine, but I don't always inspect all packages that get updated |
| 20:19.11 | dreamer | all I can say that it's been getting progressively worse |
| 20:20.00 | dreamer | I can play video games for days on end (with ie. steam proton), but right now if I have a team meeting over video chat there is a good chance that within 20 minutes X will grind to a halt |
| 20:20.20 | dreamer | even if I kill the browser all of X is b0rked |
| 20:21.13 | jhutchins | dreamer: Did you say what release you're running? |
| 20:21.19 | dreamer | buster |
| 20:21.36 | dreamer | (I did say that I think?) |
| 20:21.47 | jhutchins | dreamer: Also, which browser? |
| 20:21.54 | greycat | They said buster, but they also said "bpo driver", never said what kernel, what card/chipset, ... |
| 20:22.01 | dreamer | both chromium and google-chrome |
| 20:22.09 | dreamer | RTX-2060 |
| 20:22.36 | dreamer | 4.19.0-8-amd64 |
| 20:22.43 | jhutchins | dreamer: You might try firefox, see if the behavior is any different. |
| 20:23.00 | dreamer | firefox won't work, because I don't have pulseaudio |
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| 20:23.07 | greycat | you're using a backported nvidia driver but *not* a backported kernel? |
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| 20:23.19 | dreamer | and what got me ticked off tonight was that X had frozen without even doing anything! |
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| 20:23.44 | dreamer | I was away from the computer for a few hours. came back to this |
| 20:23.58 | dreamer | computer wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary |
| 20:24.07 | jhutchins | I'd start taking a look at what else was running. I've seen a bitcoin miner that ran underneath the browser to mask the load. |
| 20:24.29 | dreamer | htop didn't show anything out of the ordinary |
| 20:24.30 | jhutchins | dreamer: That kind of behavior sounds thermal. |
| 20:24.36 | dreamer | thermal? |
| 20:25.01 | jhutchins | dreamer: Thermal issues change over time, unlike digital issues. |
| 20:25.16 | dreamer | maybe, this machine is less than a year old |
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| 20:25.32 | dreamer | and temperatures are always very nominal |
| 20:25.53 | jhutchins | dreamer: When was the last time you cleaned it out? Re-seated cards, chips, and cables? |
| 20:26.01 | dreamer | system temps are between 15 and 30 degrees C |
| 20:26.21 | dreamer | gpu temp no clue, because I can't use the gpu atm |
| 20:26.41 | dreamer | but usually like 40-45 degrees |
| 20:27.05 | dreamer | (I remember checking this morning, when it also happened during team meeting) |
| 20:27.14 | dreamer | again: this doesn't happen when I play video games for hours on end |
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| 20:27.38 | dreamer | greycat: mja, maybe I should try bpo kernel and see if they play better together eh? :# |
| 20:27.48 | jhutchins | dreamer: Just to be thorough, what DE? |
| 20:27.56 | dreamer | none |
| 20:28.00 | dreamer | I use fluxbox |
| 20:28.14 | dreamer | so no compositing stuff going on |
| 20:28.22 | Delta706 | I just plugged in a usb stick. Is there a command I can use to list all available usb devices? |
| 20:28.26 | greycat | I'm not an nvidia guy, but jelly and others have said that you want the kernel, X driver, and mesa(??) components to be in sync. |
| 20:28.29 | dreamer | Delta706: lsusb |
| 20:29.12 | Delta706 | okay, hold on a moment while I run "lsusb" |
| 20:29.17 | dreamer | greycat: makes sense I guess |
| 20:29.32 | dreamer | fire up laptop to get some sort of browser nearby |
| 20:29.44 | jhutchins | Delta706: You should also see something near the end of dmesg. |
| 20:30.10 | Delta706 | okay I see the device. It is a DataTraveller |
| 20:30.41 | tomreyn | does it take all your data and travel abroad then? |
| 20:31.09 | Delta706 | lol tomreyn |
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| 20:38.42 | Delta706 | okay, I can see the device which appears in the output of lsusb |
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| 20:39.37 | Delta706 | now, what command can I use to format the device and put a filing system on it |
| 20:40.31 | petn-randall | Delta706: Most comfortable way is to use gparted. |
| 20:40.51 | Delta706 | so I need to use a partition tool, then? |
| 20:41.46 | Delta706 | okay I will see if gparted works for me |
| 20:42.18 | jhutchins | It probably already has a partition on it. |
| 20:42.23 | petn-randall | Delta706: You can also do it all via command line, but you'll have to read up on a few tools. |
| 20:42.48 | Delta706 | okay, I will first need to install gparted command |
| 20:42.53 | jhutchins | I thought it was common to just use the raw device without a partition... |
| 20:43.04 | dreamer | jhutchins: back to my previous situation (bpo nvidia module) |
| 20:43.21 | jhutchins | dreamer: With bpo kernel? |
| 20:43.29 | dreamer | no, not right now |
| 20:43.33 | dreamer | but probably should? |
| 20:43.36 | jhutchins | Yes. |
| 20:44.28 | dreamer | linux-image-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 or something? |
| 20:44.43 | dreamer | (looks to be the latest one) |
| 20:45.05 | dreamer | and then the headers to go with it I assume |
| 20:46.06 | dreamer | er: Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive |
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| 20:46.50 | dreamer | (doesn't say which module) |
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| 20:49.09 | Delta706 | okay so lsusb is providing info the device |
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| 20:50.47 | dreamer | ok, lets see how this bpo kernel will hold up |
| 20:51.21 | dreamer | knows his external audio card doesn't work properly on these newer kernel builds. so will need to investigate that soon too) |
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| 20:56.13 | Delta706 | okay parted is now complaining about the missing partition table |
| 20:56.47 | Delta706 | Is this just empty complaining? |
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| 20:58.04 | Delta706 | I think it must be. So now I am going to try to get "parted" to create a file system |
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| 20:59.36 | tomreyn | you shouldn't, it's really just trying to be a partitioning tool nowadays |
| 20:59.47 | greycat | parted doesn't create file systems. it creates partition tables, and partitions. |
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| 21:00.26 | Delta706 | well it is also complaining about creating a partition |
| 21:01.14 | greycat | Did you create a partition table (disk label) first? |
| 21:01.21 | Delta706 | Error: The device /dev/bus/usb/006/003 is so small that it cannot |
| 21:01.22 | Delta706 | possibly store a file system or partition table. Perhaps you selected |
| 21:01.30 | Delta706 | the wrong device? |
| 21:02.31 | Delta706 | I wonder if I should just mount the device somehow |
| 21:03.22 | Delta706 | or I could just treat the usb device as a single file |
| 21:03.51 | greycat | that does not sound like a disk device to me |
| 21:04.08 | greycat | if it's a USB disk, it should eventually show up as /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc or something |
| 21:04.28 | Delta706 | it is a thumb drive |
| 21:04.43 | tomreyn | also in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 21:04.48 | greycat | so, you plugged it in, and waited a few seconds, and you ran "dmesg | tail", and the kernel said...? |
| 21:05.00 | petn-randall | Delta706: Is there a reason you're not using gparted as recommended? |
| 21:05.30 | Delta706 | I tried gparted and it did not like the device |
| 21:05.43 | greycat | That's two votes against whatever random device you gave it. |
| 21:05.51 | greycat | Maybe you should find out what the correct device is. |
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| 21:06.10 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 21:06.13 | Delta706 | I did not give it a random device |
| 21:06.20 | b1ack0p | where can i find old versions of debian? |
| 21:06.32 | Delta706 | the device comes from lsusb output |
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| 21:08.10 | nkuttler | !tell b1ack0p about archive |
| 21:08.10 | annadane | !tell b1ack0p about snapshots |
| 21:09.13 | annadane | oops. |
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| 21:09.48 | annadane | (oops as in nkuttler is more correct, not oops @ the identical factoid calling) |
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| 21:11.52 | annadane | s/identical/simultaneous |
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| 21:18.05 | Delta706 | okay I have run gparted with the device indicated by dmesg output. it seems to have a fat32 file system already |
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| 21:21.30 | jhutchins | Delta706: THat is the usual case. |
| 21:21.52 | jhutchins | Delta706: So you should mount it, or let your file manager mount it. |
| 21:22.29 | jhutchins | Delta706: If you leave it as fat32 both Linux and Windows can use it. |
| 21:22.31 | Delta706 | great stuff. I have it working now |
| 21:22.49 | Delta706 | thanks for the help |
| 21:23.43 | Delta706 | I managed to write a cat picture to the drive |
| 21:23.56 | Delta706 | so my "hello world" test works |
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| 21:42.33 | gpunk | hi! need an opinion, I used to use snort in the earlies 2000' , now I see suricata , anyone has a word on that ? |
| 21:45.50 | jhutchins | gpunk: What are you trying to do? Not everybody knows what those programs are. |
| 21:46.03 | gpunk | ok, my bad |
| 21:47.29 | gpunk | I want harvest and display (web ui) trafic data, my server is under constant attack for many days now, bac in the day we had snoft/snaft combination if I remember |
| 21:47.46 | gpunk | and I saw suricata in my apt search output |
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| 21:47.55 | gpunk | so i looked on the web ... looks different |
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| 22:08.24 | jhutchins | Well, there are logs and log analysers, that's what most people use. |
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| 22:15.57 | snwfdhmp | how can I create a tun interface on debian (or debian-based) that is fully able to handle an openvpn connection ? |
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| 22:18.40 | gpunk | NetworManager should do that for you ... |
| 22:18.44 | gpunk | install the plugin |
| 22:19.20 | gpunk | unless maybe you are on a server |
| 22:19.47 | gpunk | even then, the openvpnserver software, loads and create it for you too |
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| 22:20.29 | gpunk | if you really want to do it manually |
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| 22:20.49 | gpunk | it is a matter of typing ifconfig tun0 up .. i think |
| 22:20.56 | gpunk | etc |
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| 22:25.39 | gpunk | <gpunk> even then, the openvpnserver software, loads and create it for you too < if you configure it to do so ! |
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| 22:38.11 | b1ack0p | can i use debian iso to repair/install grub? |
| 22:38.19 | b1ack0p | even different distro is installed? |
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| 23:12.29 | alexrelis[m] | b1ack0p: yes |
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| 23:18.33 | b1ack0p | alexrelis[m]: thanks |
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