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| 00:05.46 | annadane | package-update-indicator is weird, keeps telling me 'failed to check for updates' (whether i set it to check always or once per hour) yet it does still work and informed me of the firefox-esr update earlier |
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| 01:01.15 | warsoul | hello |
| 01:01.25 | warsoul | how can i connecto to different por on ssh in terminal |
| 01:02.09 | quadrathoch2 | -p port warsoul |
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| 01:07.49 | LtL | warsoul: ssh -p number hostname.tld |
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| 02:12.43 | redbeard72 | I need to make a logical volume manager give up some space. I was recommended to use system-config-lvm but that isn't available for Buster. https://pkgs.org/download/system-config-lvm any suggestions? |
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| 02:24.12 | quadrathoch2 | redbeard72 yeah seems to be deprecated |
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| 02:33.04 | alexrelis[m] | Is there a Debian channel where we can discuss the future of Debian? |
| 02:33.59 | quadrathoch2 | probably some offtopic debian channel alexrelis |
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| 02:41.48 | nvz | hmm.. while that person didnt stay long enough to get any real answer.. I glanced at gparted to realize it doesnt handle mapped devices at all |
| 02:42.14 | nvz | i.e. with lvm, you can see the lvm and resize it graphically.. but it doesnt see anything inside the lvm |
| 02:42.37 | nvz | which makes me wonder what it would actually do if I told it to resize the lvm |
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| 02:44.04 | nvz | and seems like a bit of an oversight that it doesnt handle things in /dev/mapper/ |
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| 04:08.38 | langlang | I have dual booted Ubuntu and Windows 10. The setup was running fine for almost like 2 years. Yesterday, the grub menu disappeared and I directly boot into Ubuntu. I can not get into BIOS/UEFI mode. I tried pressing F2/Shift/Esc keys. |
| 04:08.39 | langlang | I know boot menu is there because if I hit Enter key, it boots 10 second quicker than when I don't hit Enter key. I tried changing boot menu and moving Windows to top but I get blank screen. |
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| 04:17.33 | strive | langlang: You may want to ask in #ubuntu since your distro is ubuntu specific. |
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| 09:33.27 | jd823592 | Hi, i am having difficulties with persisting network configuration on debian 10. I have used graphical installer from dvd-1 to install without networking and after booting in the final system I setup bond mode=802.3ad on two of 4 interfaces and got net working via the `ip` commands. However even after putting bond into /etc/modules and |
| 09:33.28 | jd823592 | corresponding alias (with all the options) to /etc/modprobe.d/ and duplicating the same configuration in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ all I get after reboot is an error that the bond interface (mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces.d/bond0.conf) does not exist (I had the impression that loading the configured module would introduce the bond iface)... |
| 09:33.28 | jd823592 | any pointers? |
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| 09:53.53 | Schabo | Setting up a new computer with 10.4. Asus Prime Z490 motherboard with Intel I219V network card. Debian installer doesn't recognize the NIC. Not really sure how to proceed.. any ideas on how to get the network up and running? |
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| 10:01.00 | miskatonic | i use an usb to ethernet adapter. but those things have not been produced in more than ten years |
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| 10:02.03 | Schabo | I should just stop buying the latesst stuff, always have issues with that. |
| 10:02.59 | Schabo | Just found a driver on intels website that should work. |
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| 10:10.07 | AndreasLutro | don't know about the I219V but I had to download firmware + upgrade kernel from backports because firmware only works with 5.3+ |
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| 10:23.47 | Schabo | The debian installer is evil... with no NIC i can't get past the "Choose mirror" there is no "Skip" option... |
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| 10:27.20 | Schabo | oh, i probably have the net install image... doh |
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| 10:34.58 | jelly | Schabo, install the base system, get deb packages for kernel from buster-backports somehow, install those, reboot and see if ethernet works any better. |
| 10:35.39 | jelly | Schabo, if there's a working weekly build image of testing branch live usb, you can try booting that to see if that kernel works |
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| 10:36.24 | jelly | !live testing |
| 10:36.24 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://get.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
| 10:36.55 | jelly | kernel on those will, roughly, match the kernel in buster-backports |
| 10:37.31 | jelly | next time, f you want to run stable, pick hardware that's been on the market for at least 6-12 months |
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| 10:40.00 | themill | Also, you can just say "continue without network mirror" when it asks. There's no need to use a network mirror with the netinst image. |
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| 10:45.50 | jd823592 | systemctl restart networking drops "ifup: cannot find device bond0" into journal, despite the fact that /etc/network/interfaces.d/bond0 contains all the bond config needed to set the bond interface up... how can I persist the bond0 iface and avoid having to run `ip link add bond0 type bond ...` every time I reboot? |
| 10:47.12 | Schabo | themill: Can't find that option though... will check again |
| 10:47.37 | themill | not configuring the nic brings that up by default |
| 10:48.18 | Schabo | Not sure it did though, can recall seeing that. and in the mirror list there is no option of going on without mirror |
| 10:48.27 | Schabo | can't recall |
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| 10:49.00 | themill | just tested it |
| 10:49.23 | Schabo | Alright, will restart installation and do it all again. |
| 10:50.08 | Schabo | Got it! Thanks. How did I even miss that? |
| 10:50.49 | themill | :D |
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| 10:51.56 | Schabo | Yikes, 4k resolution temrinal... :/ Need glasses :D |
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| 11:05.35 | jelly | judd will be back after these messages from our sponsors. |
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| 11:12.30 | Schabo | Ok, so testing has the driver for my NIC. Is testing stable enough for a daily driver though? |
| 11:13.50 | dvs | you fiesty bot! |
| 11:14.01 | jelly | got uppity |
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| 11:17.17 | dvs | Schabo, if testing has the driver you need then all you need is a backported kernel |
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| 11:18.19 | Schabo | dvs, is there a complete package for the kernel or am i going hunting for a bunch of dependencies? |
| 11:18.39 | Schabo | Also, testing doesn't boot after installation, or takes a loooong time |
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| 11:20.07 | dvs | Schabo, there is a kernel package and a few firmware packages depending on what you have. |
| 11:21.24 | Schabo | For some reason I have trouble finding generic packages so not sure that is the path I want to go on. |
| 11:22.45 | Schabo | Also, that would be alot of work if i end up with a kernel that, like testing, doesn't boot on my system |
| 11:24.21 | dvs | ??? |
| 11:24.33 | dvs | A lot of work to install a few packages? |
| 11:25.18 | Schabo | yeah, well since i don't have a working network and need to hunt all packages manually and actually knowing what packages I need |
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| 11:25.36 | jelly | dvs, it's a lot of work when you don't have an internet connection on the machine with debian, yes |
| 11:25.48 | dvs | ah |
| 11:25.58 | jelly | which is the problem Sch'abo is trying to solve |
| 11:26.29 | Schabo | I'm installing a new computer. The NIC is not supported in stable as it seems. |
| 11:26.51 | dvs | Wireless? |
| 11:26.56 | Schabo | Nope |
| 11:27.02 | dvs | O_O |
| 11:27.15 | dvs | newly released hardware? |
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| 11:27.40 | Schabo | Just got a Gen 10 Intel with Asus motherboard with an "Intel I219V" nic |
| 11:27.44 | Schabo | Yes |
| 11:27.54 | dvs | ok, that'll do it |
| 11:28.26 | Schabo | Yupp |
| 11:28.50 | Schabo | and I have no USB nic's I could use temporary |
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| 11:29.59 | Schabo | oh, but I might have... hmm |
| 11:31.40 | dvs | Actually, I don't know if the NIC on my new AMD X570 works yet since it's currently connected with an old wireless NIC |
| 11:31.45 | Schabo | Found a noname wifi stick... |
| 11:33.46 | Schabo | Probably some 54MBit oldschool thingie |
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| 11:35.57 | Schabo | ok, wifi stick not working either |
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| 11:36.53 | dvs | probably because it requires firmware |
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| 11:37.56 | Schabo | Yeah |
| 11:39.01 | Schabo | This is bad, starting to consider Win10 now |
| 11:39.55 | dvs | Linux doesn't work well with super new hardware. It needs a little time to catch up. |
| 11:41.44 | Schabo | Yes, I know... But often basic things are still the same and working, like the nic. But not in this case... This nic is not a new thing, been around for years if I understand google. |
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| 11:43.27 | Schabo | Seems to be using the e1000e driver but selecting that doesn't help |
| 11:43.42 | Schabo | Probably needs a later version than what is included in stable |
| 11:44.33 | dvs | Schabo, you could burn a testing live ISO and see if it works. |
| 11:45.24 | Schabo | I did a netinst testing. It won't boot after install is done. But install found the nic though |
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| 11:53.06 | Schabo | Would it be possible to just yank the drivers off of the testing iso? Say I boot to stable without network and mount the testing iso? |
| 11:54.48 | dvs | The drivers are part of the kernel, so no. |
| 11:57.53 | Schabo | I do have the drivers from intel. But they require "make" and other libs... perhaps that is the best way to go about it |
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| 12:19.49 | Schabo | ok, so i compiled the driver from intel on my other debian. moved the ko over and loaded it. Works! Hope the next kernel update doesn't break it :) |
| 12:21.05 | dvs | !prize Schabo |
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| 12:21.14 | Schabo | :D |
| 12:22.15 | Schabo | Sometimes my brain actually gets a good idea |
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| 13:07.49 | Kobaz | (buster) |
| 13:08.02 | Kobaz | meanwhile libqt5designer5/buster depends on it |
| 13:09.08 | Kobaz | oh something else is wack, hold on |
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| 13:22.05 | Psil0Cybin | hey folks, quick question i have an app i want to install, seems like the app creators do not have atar.gz file or anything similar they require people to install the software via snapd. |
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| 14:00.33 | CrazyTux | I have a laptop with 4 GBs of RAM. It can be upgraded upto only 8 GBs. I want to use Windows 10 in VM or VirtualBox. Which distro and which DE would be suitable in this case? |
| 14:01.02 | CrazyTux | Now it has only 4 GBs of RAM. |
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| 14:04.22 | greycat | You're asking in #debian, so "which distro" is always going to be "Debian, of course". If you want a real answer, ask in ##linux. |
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| 14:05.26 | CrazyTux | ok. Debian with which DE? |
| 14:05.41 | CrazyTux | to use Win 10 comfortably in VM. |
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| 14:06.02 | themill | Any of them will work |
| 14:06.06 | CrazyTux | Host OS will always be a linux distro. |
| 14:06.24 | CrazyTux | only for some uses I need Win 10. |
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| 14:06.44 | CrazyTux | maximum capacity of my laptop is 8 GBs. |
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| 14:08.52 | flayer | how much memory does windows 10 need? |
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| 14:09.09 | CrazyTux | that is what I'm asking. |
| 14:09.16 | flayer | in #debian |
| 14:09.24 | flayer | try #windows |
| 14:09.31 | greycat | ##windows is more likely to work |
| 14:09.43 | CrazyTux | No. I want to use Win 10 only in VM. |
| 14:09.52 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 14:09.57 | CrazyTux | only for some limited needs. |
| 14:10.01 | greycat | Then do it. |
| 14:10.46 | CrazyTux | Yes. Which DE shall I choose? |
| 14:10.51 | flayer | based on your needs/requirements, it seems like any DE will work, so the choice is entirely yours |
| 14:10.52 | greycat | Whichever one you like. |
| 14:11.20 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 14:14.01 | metbsd | what apps do you need in windows |
| 14:14.04 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: at 4G of ram you can be running into low memory issues with firefox and other things even on quite a basic windows manager like xfce |
| 14:14.15 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: and that is without adding a VM. |
| 14:14.52 | CrazyTux | I will add another 4 GBs. |
| 14:15.05 | CrazyTux | the max capacity of this laptop is 8 GBs. |
| 14:15.14 | greycat | xfce is a full desktop environment, not a window manager |
| 14:15.21 | CrazyTux | metbsd, MS Office and some other apps. |
| 14:15.32 | flayer | lol good luck with that |
| 14:16.08 | CrazyTux | is Mate as stable as Xfce? |
| 14:16.20 | CrazyTux | and lightweight as xfce? |
| 14:16.30 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:16.38 | greycat | Enough of that. |
| 14:16.58 | CrazyTux | what? |
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| 14:17.27 | themill | CrazyTux: you seem to keep asking the same questions and ignore the answers you're given. It's pretty annoying. |
| 14:17.36 | metbsd | 8g should handle most of de fine |
| 14:17.44 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 14:17.45 | metbsd | but you are running vm, and a window vm |
| 14:17.53 | metbsd | that takes alot memory |
| 14:18.04 | CrazyTux | yes. |
| 14:18.39 | metbsd | 8gb is not enough |
| 14:18.45 | metbsd | it'll work |
| 14:18.48 | metbsd | but poorly |
| 14:19.06 | metbsd | either your linux is slow or windows vm slow or both |
| 14:19.08 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ You have these free Microsoft VM to play with before risking a windows 10 licnese. The usage instructions with Microsoft vm just using web browser is the vm must provide 1024 â2048MB of memory. |
| 14:19.08 | CrazyTux | is Mate more easier than Xfce for a beginner in linux? |
| 14:19.28 | metbsd | i think xfce is lighter, or use fluxbox something |
| 14:19.49 | CrazyTux | Ok. I need a complete DE though. |
| 14:20.12 | metbsd | xfce |
| 14:20.54 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 14:21.05 | CrazyTux | thanks a lot. |
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| 14:22.43 | bipul | Hi |
| 14:23.07 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: that Windows 10 vm requirements by Microsoft for just browser the 1024 â2048MB of memory. 4G - 2G not good. Item like MS Office memory usage can be quite heavy as well. 64 bit version of MS Office min recommend ram is 2G as well. |
| 14:23.25 | oiaohm | Basically 8G of memory could even been horrible short. |
| 14:23.31 | bipul | How to compile buster or any other version of debian from source code ? |
| 14:24.26 | CrazyTux | oiaohm, ok. Then, I will dual boot Win10 with Linux. |
| 14:24.37 | bipul | I have source code of buster, just wondering to compile it. |
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| 14:29.14 | annadane | personally the menu centric way of doing things in MATE drives me nuts and i like how easy configuration is in xfce though in debian it's showing its age |
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| 14:30.04 | lawr3nce | is tmux redundant with i3wm? |
| 14:30.09 | annadane | no |
| 14:30.26 | lawr3nce | I mean, does i3wm or i3-gaps manage sessions? |
| 14:30.34 | lawr3nce | and what about tmux? |
| 14:31.03 | bipul | How to use debian source cd? to install ? |
| 14:31.23 | greycat | !source |
| 14:31.23 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 14:32.30 | bipul | I'm just looking for help regarding using of debian source cd |
| 14:32.56 | themill | bipul: Debian is self-hosting but it is not easily bootstrapped. You need to know a lot more about Debian to do anything useful with these things. |
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| 14:33.25 | oiaohm | bipul: building the complete buster from source code is a long painful process. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html You need to understand how to do individual packages a bit first for when things don't work. |
| 14:33.34 | bipul | I have the source code, how to build it ? |
| 14:33.41 | oiaohm | bipul: source distribution on cd is just a section of the source repo on line on disc. |
| 14:33.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:35.20 | bipul | oiaohm, This is to building a package from source https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
| 14:35.21 | oiaohm | Debian upstream is build by a build farm setup. If you have the hardware the instructions do exist to setup your own https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWannaBuildInfrastructureOnOneServer https://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ |
| 14:35.38 | bipul | I'm just looking for building a distro from the source code. |
| 14:35.42 | oiaohm | bipul: that where you start packages on a source cd are the same thing. |
| 14:36.25 | themill | bipul: everything you need for that starts at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBootstrap |
| 14:39.01 | bipul | ok |
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| 14:47.04 | oiaohm | bipul: please note if you don't have the resources for a build farm and you attempt to build a complete debian release you are not going to keep up with security updates in your building. There is big reasons why Mint and others customise a section then use either Debian or Ubuntu repos. |
| 14:48.15 | oiaohm | Its one of these things is a nice idea to build a distribution from scratch but there is a price in hardware to-do it well. |
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| 15:06.00 | cpach | hi folks. does anyone know a good irc channel/forum for discussiong foss license violations? i have some questions regarding a network hardware vendor and their status regarding compliance with GNU GPL. |
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| 15:06.29 | greycat | #gnu might be a good starting point |
| 15:06.49 | greycat | their topic says it's "the right place to ask about any GNU-related item, including the GPL" |
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| 15:07.31 | cpach | greycat: that's great. thank you! |
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| 15:08.34 | shibboleth | what is the correct regexp for 01,02,03 instead of 1,2,3? |
| 15:09.19 | lawr3nce | [0-9,]+ |
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| 15:09.51 | cpach | shibboleth: do you want to make a substitution? e.g. convert "1" to "01"? |
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| 15:10.26 | lawr3nce | even better |
| 15:10.27 | lawr3nce | \d\d,\d\d,\d\d |
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| 15:11.24 | greycat | It's *really* not clear what you're trying to express as the matching criteria, nor which flavor of regex you require (since you didn't say what flavor *or* what tool you're using). Give example inputs that pass and fail. |
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| 15:11.45 | LittleMerman | Hey guys, whats the equivalent of ack-grep in debian? |
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| 15:12.46 | LittleMerman | Hey guys, whats the equivalent of ack-grep in debian? i tried ack-grep or just ack, it says command not found |
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| 15:13.46 | greycat | ,file ack-grep |
| 15:13.50 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 15:14.03 | greycat | If that's the correct spelling of the command's name, it's not packaged. |
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| 15:14.23 | greycat | but there is: |
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| 15:14.27 | greycat | ,info ack |
| 15:14.30 | judd | Package ack (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: grep-like program specifically for large source trees. Version: 2.24-1; Size: 71.0k; Installed: 210k; Homepage: https://beyondgrep.com/ |
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| 15:15.48 | greycat | Does the "ack" package contain the thing you wanted? |
| 15:15.54 | shibboleth | basically trying to make kodi scare ep info where the release uses the part** naming convention |
| 15:16.00 | shibboleth | it picks up part1,part2,part3 |
| 15:16.04 | shibboleth | but not part01,0203 |
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| 15:16.14 | shibboleth | basically trying to make kodi scare ep info where the release uses the part** naming convention |
| 15:16.15 | shibboleth | it picks up part1,part2,part3 |
| 15:16.17 | shibboleth | but not part01,0203 |
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| 15:16.28 | shibboleth | scare. hmm. i meant scrape |
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| 15:17.42 | greycat | So, (a) you are using something called "kodi"; I have no idea what that is. Read its documentation to find out what flavor of regex it uses. |
| 15:17.44 | LittleMerman | greycat what do you mean ack package contains what i want? |
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| 15:17.55 | LittleMerman | im not familiar with debian |
| 15:17.59 | LittleMerman | i use ubuntu before |
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| 15:18.05 | greycat | and (b) your example that matches is "part01,0203"? that would be something like ^part[0-9,]+$' in ERE. |
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| 15:18.20 | greycat | LittleMerman: https://packages.debian.org/buster/ack |
| 15:18.22 | greycat | Is that it? |
| 15:18.25 | buu | greycat: Yes |
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| 15:18.39 | buu | ack used to be packaged as ack-grep but got renamed to ack a couple of years ago |
| 15:18.40 | shibboleth | "but not part01,0203" yet another typo, i meant part01,part02,part03 |
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| 15:18.54 | greycat | Jesus christ. |
| 15:18.56 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:18.58 | LittleMerman | so i need to install this first? shouldnt the os tells me to install it if not found? |
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| 15:19.10 | buu | Note, rg is a strict upgrade over ack |
| 15:19.16 | buu | LittleMerman: just apt install ack |
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| 15:19.39 | LittleMerman | okay thanks |
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| 15:29.14 | shibboleth | greycat, was that for me? the ploinking? |
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| 15:37.55 | shibboleth | they all seem pretty obvious? which one causes the confusion on your part? |
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| 15:44.05 | shibboleth | greycat, you were right. i wanted to avoid any confusion due to the typo though |
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| 16:11.27 | Akuw | drift compensation, estimated error, stability, polling interval |
| 16:11.44 | Akuw | and values expected |
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| 16:38.00 | rgwu | Akuw: ntp is not as simple as it first seems: https://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/ |
| 16:40.08 | mason | Is there any tooling to migrate physical Debian installs to virtual machinery? I've got one to convert, and while I can doubtless run a series of rsyncs and the one final from rescue media with all services off, I'm curious if there are canned solutions extant. |
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| 16:44.36 | mvaenskae | cheers, small question on the debian installer -- can i include the firmware package (unzipped obviously) somehow on the same stick? |
| 16:44.47 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 16:44.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:45.28 | mvaenskae | greycat: i know about the "unofficial" images -- i am merely wondering what makes them different to the official images and "why" i cannot simply put the data onto the same usb stick? |
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| 16:46.26 | mvaenskae | mostly a question of interest at this point |
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| 16:57.09 | realtime-neil | Is there a way to force dpkg to "reinstall" a package by name such that the preinst and postinst maintainer scripts are executed properly? |
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| 16:57.28 | greycat | The easiest thing to do would be purge it, and then (re)install it. |
| 16:57.55 | greycat | !purge |
| 16:57.56 | dpkg | "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 16:58.28 | realtime-neil | How would the subsequent installation happen? |
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| 16:58.47 | greycat | "apt install pkgname" or your preferred equivalent |
| 16:59.33 | realtime-neil | But that would force a re-download. Is there a way to do it that does not require a re-download. |
| 16:59.45 | greycat | You already deleted the .deb file? |
| 16:59.58 | realtime-neil | well, some apt and/or dpkg mechanism did |
| 17:00.14 | greycat | Then you get to tell us what you *really* want. |
| 17:00.30 | greycat | What did you break, and why do you want to run "the preinst and postinst" in your attempt to fix it? |
| 17:01.10 | greycat | (dpkg never removes a .deb file... apt does, by default. apt-get does not, by default.) |
| 17:01.58 | realtime-neil | I have a package, my d-i preseed installs it via `pkgsel/include`, but the installation is slightly broken for lack of a bootloader at the time of installation. |
| 17:02.25 | realtime-neil | re-running the {pre,post}inst maintscripts will fix it, but I'd like to avoid getting the package twice |
| 17:02.41 | greycat | if *literally* all you want to do is re-run the postinst, they are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:02.46 | greycat | run away. |
| 17:03.12 | realtime-neil | I think that's best; thanks very much, greycat |
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| 17:22.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 17:22.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want to remap my esc key to capslock |
| 17:22.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there hotkey app out there? |
| 17:22.36 | dvs | ??? |
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| 17:22.46 | greycat | xmodmap |
| 17:23.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 17:23.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks |
| 17:23.35 | ectospasm | You must not use vim or vi |
| 17:23.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i do use vi |
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| 17:23.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | also want to adjust some stuff in there to make my life easier |
| 17:24.13 | ectospasm | Are you trying to remap the capslock key to Esc? |
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| 17:25.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | no |
| 17:25.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | esc to caplocks |
| 17:25.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i could care less about capslock or where it goes |
| 17:25.54 | ectospasm | So how do you exit insert mode in vi if you have no Escape key? I know a way to do it, but it doesn't work with :set paste. |
| 17:26.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | cap will be esc |
| 17:26.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i hit caps lock and i am out of insert mode |
| 17:26.55 | ectospasm | Ahh, so my first question your answer was "Yes," not "no" |
| 17:27.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok my bad |
| 17:27.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have lost alot of marbles.. |
| 17:27.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | its a wonder i can hold a conversation sometimes |
| 17:28.42 | ectospasm | Eryn_1983_FL: setxkbmap -option esc:caps, but that's just a guess. |
| 17:28.52 | mason | ectospasm: You can always try ^[ |
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| 17:29.27 | ectospasm | mason: I don't want to try, as I don't want to remap my escape key. |
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| 17:29.47 | mason | Oh, maybe it's ^] |
| 17:30.13 | greycat | Eryn_1983_FL: oh, you *actually* wanted to map capslock to esc, not esc to capslock. That is MUCH more reasonable. |
| 17:30.19 | mason | ectospasm: You clearly want to try, as you're wondering how to hit escape when you don't have one. |
| 17:30.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol yea |
| 17:30.36 | ectospasm | mason: No, I just `imap jj <Esc>` |
| 17:31.26 | mason | That's very specific to vim. It's useful to know additional, more generalized solutions. |
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| 17:38.43 | rgwu | ectospasm: I prefer jk to jj, but Ctrl-[ also works. I've lived free of capslock and escape for a long time as a vim user. |
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| 17:48.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | setxkbmap -option esc:caps |
| 17:48.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | there we gooo |
| 17:49.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | its going to be hard to break picking up my hand to hit esc though |
| 17:49.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | but will be worth it, |
| 17:49.43 | rgwu | That only works in X. You'll need a udev change to do it at a lower level if you want it on a terminal. |
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| 17:51.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | mmm |
| 17:51.59 | dvs | good song |
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| 17:52.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | well this is mostly just to help with work flow in X |
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| 18:00.23 | alexandros_c | good day, I am trying to install mongodb server on my computer running debian 10 xfce and I am getting the error signature not checked due to a missing key. Does anyone know how to resolve this problem, pleas let know know how to they resolved this problem. thanks. |
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| 18:01.17 | greycat | ,v mongodb |
| 18:01.19 | judd | Package: mongodb on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1 |
| 18:01.27 | greycat | !mongodb |
| 18:01.27 | dpkg | mongodb was removed after stretch; see https://bugs.debian.org/916107 and https://bugs.debian.org/915537 for details. |
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| 18:04.59 | alexandros_c | thanks but I meant using the instruction from from mongodb site https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian/ |
| 18:05.21 | greycat | sounds like something you'd have to contact *them* about |
| 18:05.58 | alexandros_c | by them you mean mongodb? |
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| 18:07.38 | alexandros_c | thanks greycat for your assistance |
| 18:08.29 | dvs | alexandros_c, the instructions are right on the web page you linked above. |
| 18:09.09 | alexandros_c | dvs importing the key is giving the error stated above |
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| 18:19.45 | chrish38 | Hello all, I am trying to install Debian 10.3 via the installer and configure it with RAID1/encrypted LVM. I setup RAID1 and then used guided lvm/encrypted partitioning on md0 all via the partition wizard. I've tried a couple of times and I get an error while installing the grub bootloader, "grub-install dummy failed". Any suggestions appreciated. |
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| 18:21.24 | dD__ | I had a server with a new SSD that was giving me a lot of problems. The SSD wasn't connected directly to the motherboard, but through LSI SAS. I fixed it, upgraded the firmware, trimmed, ran fsck and I still got the same error messages and the server would crash every 24-48 hours. Same exact pattern as before. I finally gave up on it after one last reboot (without doing anything) and the server |
| 18:21.26 | dD__ | has been up for about 6 days and hasn't crashed. First time this has happened. Is it possible that some of the errors remained during some of the reboots but maybe after the firmware upgrade and one of the natural trims everything got fixed? Or am I in for a big surprise? |
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| 18:22.09 | mutantturkey | so, i have a version issue with a package but i think i dont understand |
| 18:22.11 | mutantturkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.14 | GNU\colossus | chrish38, try to manually select a device for installing grub on; then do not select md0 (or whatever number your md for booting has), but one of its member devices. then, repeat that process for all its other member devices from the installer. |
| 18:22.16 | mutantturkey | isn't 1.6 greater than 1.148? |
| 18:22.29 | greycat | Nope. |
| 18:22.54 | greycat | With version strings, "1.10" is typically higher than "1.9". |
| 18:22.59 | mutantturkey | so it's separated major/minor or so? (1).(148) |
| 18:23.02 | mutantturkey | so 148 > 6 |
| 18:23.03 | greycat | ,v libossp-uuid-perl |
| 18:23.04 | judd | Package: libossp-uuid-perl on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-1.5+b1; stretch: 1.6.2-1.5+b4; buster: 1.6.2-1.5+b7; bullseye: 1.6.2-1.5+b8; sid: 1.6.2-1.5+b8 |
| 18:23.15 | GNU\colossus | dD__, LSI controller firmware, no matter if it's IT or IR mode firmware, is *VERY* finnicky in my experience. |
| 18:23.26 | GNU\colossus | dD__, which HBA/controller model have you got? |
| 18:23.28 | greycat | this sounds like a case where a version epoch should have been added |
| 18:23.59 | greycat | if upstream changed their versioning scheme from 1.n to 1.x.y, that would be a very good reason to do an epoch |
| 18:24.01 | mutantturkey | libossp-uuid-perl is somewhat of a cluster, because it implements a compat for Data::UUID but that isnt in debian due to a versioning issue, however when you build against dh-make-perl, most Makefile.pl's specify the version of Data::UUID required (1.142) not the ersion of libossp-uuid-perl |
| 18:24.27 | mutantturkey | basically, cpan/restofworld using data::uuid has one version and libossp-uuid-perl has it's own data::uuid |
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| 18:24.41 | mutantturkey | which of course, conflicts with libdata-uuid-perl because there's no diversion or anytihng setup for the real version of the package |
| 18:25.08 | chrish38 | GNU\colossus, got the same issue using /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 18:25.23 | mutantturkey | so they won't sit side by side, i'm trying to cajole Test2::Harness being built with dh-make-perl into using libossp-uuid-perl. From a code POV it works no problem with ossp, but the packaging is the issue |
| 18:26.01 | GNU\colossus | chrish38, you could try switching to the shell running on vt 2 (or was it 3?) and manually install grub from there |
| 18:26.10 | GNU\colossus | (may have to chroot into the target directory, though) |
| 18:28.41 | chrish38 | GNU\colossus, I will give that a shot. I have got to the busybox shell, which seems fairly limited. |
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| 18:36.23 | quadrathoch2 | chrish38 it sounds like you want to install the ego partition within the raid, which does not work |
| 18:38.27 | chrish38 | quadrathoch2, ah, I see. Any idea if I can do what I want with the installer, without manually partitioning? (I don't really know enough to manually partition everything) |
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| 18:47.43 | quadrathoch2 | Hm, i guess not really. Sadly when efi was introduced nobody thought of raid somehow. Which means you could boot with bios/legacy mode which works, or you would need to manually partition everything chrish38 |
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| 18:50.08 | mason | chrish38: Do an install, and have one partition for your ESP on each disk. Do the rest normally. It'll populate the first ESP. |
| 18:50.45 | quadrathoch2 | you would need to update the second esp on your own |
| 18:51.04 | mason | chrish38: Ubuntu as of 20.04 handles updating multiple ESPs, and eventually Debian will grow that functionality too. For now, keeping ancillary ESPs up to date will require some minimal custom scripting. |
| 18:51.08 | mason | That. |
| 18:52.20 | chrish38 | I have tried in bios/legacy mode too, and I seem to run into the same issue. Should that work around the issue? |
| 18:55.15 | mason | chrish38: Do you have a /boot not inside the LUKS? If it's all encrypted, maybe that's the issue. |
| 18:55.32 | mason | bbiab, lunch |
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| 19:07.24 | quadrathoch2 | chrish38 I guess you used luks2 where boot is also inside that. Sadly only last month grub got luks2 support, so you would need to put /boot into a luks1 âcontainerâ or unencrypted |
| 19:15.28 | chrish38 | I just went through the install wizard again. First, I setup RAID1 across the drives and then had the installer use it's auto/guided lvm encrypted. This is the partition layout it's given me: https://imgur.com/a/k77yDvV |
| 19:16.05 | chrish38 | Seems it has created an unencrypted /boot on md0 and a secondary crypto partition |
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| 19:28.16 | SerajewelKS | chrish38: that looks right |
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| 19:28.45 | frostschutz | chrish38, full disk raid with partitions on it... not my personal preference |
| 19:29.12 | SerajewelKS | well the alternative is two RAID1, one for /boot and one for crypto |
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| 19:29.24 | SerajewelKS | (which, incidentally, is what i'm doing) |
| 19:29.52 | chrish38 | SerajewelKS, as in RAID1 at the partition level? |
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| 19:34.06 | chrish38 | frostschutz, any particular reason? |
| 19:34.24 | mbroeker | I need to setup a git server on a vm for Altium (AD-20) I can do everything except pushing from AD. Do you have a good link for me? |
| 19:35.42 | chrish38 | ok, it worked on a vm, which i configured as non-ufei. The real server is ufei. Perhaps I need to force the real server to install in legacy/bios mode |
| 19:36.39 | frostschutz | chrish38, it should work, as long as everything respects the raid layer, and as long as you don't grow those disks |
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| 19:41.42 | SerajewelKS | chrish38: yes, two partitions on each drive, the first two in a raid1 with /boot over it, the second two in a raid1 with crypt over it. but the partitions-in-raid1 approach should also work fine. |
| 19:42.05 | SerajewelKS | frostschutz: what? growing the disks is fine. |
| 19:42.43 | SerajewelKS | chrish38: it may not have worked in UEFI mode if you didn't have an ESP and BIOS boot partition on the disk |
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| 19:43.14 | SerajewelKS | note that you can't safely use raid1 to have the ESP on both disks. so you have to use rsync or something dumb. the inability to safely mirror the ESP is a huge issue with UEFI. |
| 19:43.33 | frostschutz | if it uses 0.90 or 1.0 metadata, it won't be found anymore after growing. so you have to grow one at a time and re-add |
| 19:43.54 | chrish38 | sounds like it's best to avoid uefi if I can, any idea if there is a way to force the installer to use bios/legacy? |
| 19:44.39 | SerajewelKS | frostschutz: well yes... i can't think of any reason not to use 1.2 nowadays though. |
| 19:45.04 | frostschutz | if you use 1.2 then the bios won't see the partition table / boot sector |
| 19:45.33 | SerajewelKS | that's why you don't RAID over whole devices |
| 19:45.44 | SerajewelKS | make partition, RAID over that partition |
| 19:45.52 | frostschutz | so full disk raid 1 with bootable partition inside kind of forces you to use 1.0 metadata... it works, but it's just unusual setup, hence not my preference |
| 19:46.08 | SerajewelKS | right. same. |
| 19:47.13 | SerajewelKS | i also like having separate RAIDs for /boot and the rest of the system because i may not want RAID1 for the rest. maybe later i want to add a third disk and keep RAID1 /boot but reshape the rest to RAID5. |
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| 19:47.29 | SerajewelKS | having two RAID1s means i can reshape them independently |
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| 19:48.44 | saveNexit | hello, the external monitor is shown as unknown. this is happening for the second time; last time I rebooted and it was ok..but I dont want to and cannot reboot every time..how can I fix this? |
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| 19:53.40 | dvs | Schabo, no network for you! |
| 19:54.30 | sney | saveNexit: unplug/re-plug? what video adapter is it? |
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| 19:55.08 | saveNexit | sney, replugging doesnt help. though I didnt unplug-replug when the monitor was on. should I try it that way? |
| 19:55.29 | sney | yes, better to have it on |
| 19:57.02 | saveNexit | sney, yes, it worked, now the display resolution is shown in the settings |
| 19:57.51 | Schabo | dvs, I has network! :P |
| 19:57.52 | saveNexit | I wonder if I have to unplug-replug every time |
| 19:58.02 | sney | what video adapter is it? |
| 19:58.04 | dvs | Schabo, with a stock kernel? |
| 19:58.18 | Schabo | dvs, no... |
| 19:58.29 | dvs | hmmmm.... |
| 19:58.46 | Schabo | Well, yes... but I compiled a later driver and thre in the kernelmodule and loaded it |
| 19:58.59 | Schabo | */thre/threw |
| 19:59.18 | saveNexit | sney, Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 |
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| 20:01.11 | sney | saveNexit: hmm, should be fully supported. if you run 'dmesg |grep -i firmware' in a terminal window do you see any messages about "possible missing" or load errors? |
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| 20:01.41 | greycat | I'd suspect an issue with the monitor more so than the video card, based on the very limited info we have. |
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| 20:01.56 | dvs | Schabo, so the module will probably be lost once a new kernel is released |
| 20:02.39 | Schabo | dvs, hopefully by then the driver is with the new kernel :) |
| 20:03.05 | dvs | Schabo, Doubtful if you are using buster's kernel |
| 20:03.46 | Schabo | dvs, that sucks :( Well, then I need to keep the driver sources close at hand |
| 20:03.48 | saveNexit | sney, no errors but only unusual line is this; "ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored" |
| 20:04.30 | sney | saveNexit: ok, then it's likely that greycat is right and your monitor is funky. at least unplug/replug is quicker than a reboot. |
| 20:04.34 | dvs | Schabo, where did you get the source from? |
| 20:05.00 | Schabo | dvs, I googled and found it on Intels pages |
| 20:05.33 | saveNexit | sney, the monitor is perfect with debian on other computers |
| 20:06.48 | sney | hmm. could possibly be related to that acpi warning, though I'm just guessing at this point. is there a bios update available for this machine? |
| 20:07.20 | dvs | so the e1000e module |
| 20:08.00 | Schabo | dvs, This one: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/15817/Intel-Network-Adapter-Driver-for-PCI-E-Gigabit-Network-Connections-under-Linux-?product=71307 |
| 20:08.19 | Schabo | dvs, yeah.. the e1000e module |
| 20:09.33 | saveNexit | I will check it on the maker's website |
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| 20:30.13 | chrish38 | ok, on the actual server an additional partition gets created by the debian installer, biosgrub, 1mb. From research this appears to be because the drives have to be formatted as gpt as they are > 2tb. |
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| 21:04.51 | GNULinuz | Hi. I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single computer, $49 for each computer if you purchase 25 or more licenses. Bitcoin payment only! |
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| 21:06.20 | dvs | offtopic too? |
| 21:06.32 | greycat | I don't do #d-o. |
| 21:06.37 | dvs | ok |
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| 21:30.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey is the a gui verison of vim? i see a gui set of theme options.. so i wonder |
| 21:30.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | " GUI |
| 21:30.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | highlight Normal guifg=Red guibg=Black |
| 21:30.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | highlight Search guifg=Black guibg=Red gui=bold |
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| 21:31.41 | mason | Eryn_1983_FL: Yeah, don't install vim-nox and you have the GUI version. |
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| 21:34.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | don't? |
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| 21:34.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | so just vim? |
| 21:35.04 | avu | Eryn_1983_FL: you can install vim-gtk3, for example |
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| 21:35.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
| 21:36.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | still looks like cli to me. |
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| 21:36.14 | avu | start gvim |
| 21:36.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont see any gtk widgets |
| 21:36.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | anohh |
| 21:36.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i see it |
| 21:36.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | so whats the diff between vim and vim-nox? |
| 21:37.16 | avu | vim-nox has more things compiled in |
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| 21:37.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 21:37.27 | avu | compare `apt show vim` with `apt show vim-nox` |
| 21:37.51 | avu | vim-nox is basically "everything possible *except* a gui" |
| 21:38.11 | avu | the nox means "no X" |
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| 21:38.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 21:38.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | learns... |
| 21:38.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hits head a few times |
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| 22:01.33 | rgwu | Why would you want a gui vim? |
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| 22:09.12 | BuzzardBuzz | That is what many want a GUI for anything rgwu |
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| 22:09.55 | BuzzardBuzz | But we dont need it |
| 22:10.21 | BuzzardBuzz | that is just a desire |
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| 22:12.36 | rgwu | The gui is xterm. What in vim needs a gui? That's literally defeating the point of vim. |
| 22:14.07 | avu | not if the point of vim is just "be a good editor", then using it rendered in a terminal emulator or with gtk is just personal preference |
| 22:15.19 | mason | Oh, hrm, I thought vim (the bare package) did X. Go figure. Sorry for the misinformation. |
| 22:15.32 | mason | (I always install -nox.) |
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| 22:19.57 | annadane | vim has gvim which is a vim GUI |
| 22:20.00 | annadane | but it seems kind of silly |
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| 22:21.50 | rgwu | avu: I disagree. The point of vim is home row. A mouse defeats that. |
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| 22:23.14 | avu | rgwu: that has nothing to do with terminal vs gtk though, the mouse works just fine in non-gtk vim, it's even enabled by default on Debian |
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| 22:26.45 | lenswipe | hey folks |
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| 22:26.51 | lenswipe | got something really odd going on |
| 22:26.58 | lenswipe | i have a 100GB /home partition |
| 22:27.05 | lenswipe | I'm trying to copy around 50 gigs of files on to it |
| 22:27.17 | lenswipe | it gets toward the end and then stops because the partition is apparently full |
| 22:27.23 | lenswipe | the last time i checked 50 is less than 100 |
| 22:27.29 | lenswipe | anyone know what's going on? |
| 22:27.37 | sney | inodes? |
| 22:28.05 | sney | check with df -i |
| 22:28.37 | avu | also check normal df -h, just because the partition has 100GB doesn't mean that 50GB are actually free ;p |
| 22:28.56 | sney | indeed |
| 22:29.13 | lenswipe | sney, sorry, not really following |
| 22:29.20 | lenswipe | where should i run df -i ? |
| 22:29.25 | lenswipe | and where should i run df -h? |
| 22:29.35 | avu | the CWD is not important |
| 22:29.38 | sney | df just shows how much space is free on your mounted filesystems |
| 22:29.41 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 22:30.09 | sney | every file on a linux filesystem uses an inode, and if you run out of inodes it will say the device is full even if there are still blocks available |
| 22:30.45 | sney | it's not super common but it can happen if you have a lot of really small files. |
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| 22:32.19 | lenswipe | sney, https://termbin.com/h97g |
| 22:32.48 | avu | lenswipe: well, 48G are less than 50G |
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| 22:33.04 | lenswipe | avu, yeah, sorry i had some node.js stuff in there from the last copy |
| 22:33.07 | lenswipe | lemme clear that out and show you |
| 22:33.17 | avu | lenswipe: then there's still df -i to look at |
| 22:33.32 | lenswipe | one sec |
| 22:34.09 | lenswipe | oh ffs. im an idiot |
| 22:34.12 | lenswipe | i just realized |
| 22:34.26 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.42 | lenswipe | i copied a copy of the backup to /home earlier |
| 22:35.26 | lenswipe | avu, https://termbin.com/nsdi that's more like it |
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| 22:35.54 | avu | lenswipe: yes, that looks more like a partition ready to receive your 50G :) |
| 22:35.58 | lenswipe | :) |
| 22:36.15 | lenswipe | ive been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why the hell 50 was suddenly more than 100 |
| 22:36.46 | lenswipe | technically, 54 according to df but yeah |
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