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| 00:02.56 | search_social | cyberbootje: touchpad="DELL0978:00 04F3:30C3 Touchpad" |
| 00:02.56 | search_social | setting="libinput Disable While Typing Enabled" |
| 00:02.56 | search_social | xinput --set-prop "$touchpad" "$setting" 0 |
| 00:03.16 | search_social | this isn't your issue but you might be able to edit it to yours |
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| 00:06.30 | cyberbootje | search_social: where do i edit that ? |
| 00:06.57 | cyberbootje | funny, what i have is a dell laptop |
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| 00:21.18 | search_social | cyberbootje: well on the command line if you type xinput you should see a list of devices and hopefully something looks like a touchscreen there |
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| 00:23.08 | cyberbootje | yeah tried that, says i'm using Xwaylands |
| 00:23.12 | cyberbootje | Xwayland* |
| 00:23.42 | search_social | well on my computer xinput lists 6 devices under "virtual core pointer" and 9 devices under "virtual core keyboard" |
| 00:24.02 | cyberbootje | it's so weird.... installed a eGTouch driver and that works fine but pounces one cpu core at 100% |
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| 00:24.11 | search_social | one of my devices was the touchpad and doing xinput --list-props DEVICE on that gave settings i needed |
| 00:24.20 | search_social | where was the driver from |
| 00:24.32 | cyberbootje | eGTouch |
| 00:24.34 | search_social | also what kernel are you running? a lot of weird issues were solved from me upgrading the default kernel 4 to kernel 5 |
| 00:24.53 | cyberbootje | 5.6 |
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| 00:25.49 | search_social | wait so with egtouch it works but pegs a cpu and without egtouch it only works after suspend? |
| 00:26.00 | cyberbootje | correct! |
| 00:26.27 | cyberbootje | the eGTouch is also a service, kill the service the touch will also stop working |
| 00:26.44 | search_social | well when you type xinput does it give you a bunch of virtual core pointers or does it just give one line saying xwayland? |
| 00:27.12 | cyberbootje | one virtual core and 2 Xwayland |
| 00:28.33 | search_social | https://paste.ircnow.org/paste/qxmc6y7m4imb this is mine ... well maybe someone with your desktop environment channel would be more likely to know |
| 00:28.51 | search_social | if you can't find your touch screen in the xinput list that's about the end of me personal experience |
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| 00:29.26 | cyberbootje | hmm no i don't have the touchpad one |
| 00:29.43 | search_social | no i mean do you have a touch screen there |
| 00:30.37 | cyberbootje | yes i do but it's not showing up in the list like what you just posted |
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| 00:32.01 | search_social | well i won't be any help then i would try #wayland then |
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| 00:33.01 | cyberbootje | thx! |
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| 01:15.21 | LCRERGO | Is there a recommended place where I should put backups? |
| 01:16.04 | Clock | On a flash drive LCRERGO |
| 01:16.33 | dvs | feels an argument coming on... |
| 01:16.43 | EdePopede | HDD vs flash? |
| 01:16.51 | dvs | yup |
| 01:17.10 | LCRERGO | I mean inside the filesystem root |
| 01:17.11 | EdePopede | i had issues with both of them already, so... ;) |
| 01:17.28 | dvs | LCRERGO, that I wouldn't recommend. |
| 01:17.29 | LCRERGO | /var/backups or /backups |
| 01:17.33 | EdePopede | no |
| 01:17.40 | EdePopede | don't add directories at will |
| 01:18.00 | EdePopede | your $HOME and /usr/local are up to you respectively the admin |
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| 01:18.36 | EdePopede | also /opt iirc though i didn't use it in years (not sure about the recent standard) |
| 01:19.11 | rwp | Backups should always follow the 3-2-1-Rule. At least 3 copies, on 2 different mediums, with at least 1 offsite |
| 01:19.17 | EdePopede | and besides that a crashing disk killing your HOME would also kill your backup |
| 01:20.07 | EdePopede | it still would help against rm accidents |
| 01:21.34 | LCRERGO | I understand thx.. |
| 01:21.39 | EdePopede | rwp: would another machine in the same LAN be considered offsite? |
| 01:21.57 | rwp | Normally not because it fails the house fire test. |
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| 01:22.54 | EdePopede | so FTP ;) |
| 01:23.28 | rwp | There are dozens of backup utilities available. Some of them are even good! :-) |
| 01:24.25 | EdePopede | i bought a 128GB flash drive last years for i think 10â¬. money shouldn't be an issue in most cases as long as it's not hires video |
| 01:24.56 | EdePopede | though i'm not sure about the quality of drives in that price region. different technologies. |
| 01:25.24 | EdePopede | rwp: no, i was referring to that old "Backups are for whimps" quote |
| 01:25.28 | rwp | It's a "Market for lemons" in that low price range. Quality is a random impossible to know quality. |
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| 01:25.34 | rwp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.02 | EdePopede | i have some drives looking the same, checked them out. PCI-IDs. well. NOT all the same :) |
| 01:27.02 | rwp | Feel free to call me wimpy but when editing files I save at every pause because I remember the days when a crash might happen at literally any time. And often did. |
| 01:27.30 | rwp | I always use RAID even on my desktop because I hate it when a single storage device fails and then I need to recover. |
| 01:27.32 | EdePopede | tbh i just bought that specific one just because. held its data so far and i don't plan to place the secret key to world domination of it. should it stop working, it wouldn't really be a problem. |
| 01:28.13 | EdePopede | âBackups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it.â â Linus Torvalds |
| 01:28.14 | rwp | I put things into version control. Push the version history to a different system. Backup both systems. |
| 01:28.15 | EdePopede | that one ;) |
| 01:28.35 | rwp | Yes. It is a good comment. |
| 01:29.04 | EdePopede | the only problem with raid being that it doubles the costs at least *sigh* |
| 01:29.20 | rwp | And I have on multiple occasions searched for information on something that I could not remember and found my own mailing list postings with the information I needed. :-) |
| 01:29.36 | EdePopede | heh |
| 01:29.49 | rwp | RAID is a cost multiplier. But as you noted the cost for storage these days can be very affordable. |
| 01:30.00 | rwp | And what we are saving is our own time to deal with an unexpected crash. |
| 01:30.21 | rwp | With RAID I can calmly swap the failed device at a time of my convenience. |
| 01:30.36 | rwp | So I am paying that extra 10⬠for an increase in my convenience. |
| 01:31.02 | EdePopede | 10� you're talking about flash drives again, not RAID, right? |
| 01:31.41 | rwp | Haha. I actually only said 10⬠because you had mentined it for a 128GB flash drive. For me it would be $45USD for a 1TB spinning disk. |
| 01:33.28 | EdePopede | ah ok. i bought some 4TB over the last years, they had the best price per unit of all ;) |
| 01:33.51 | rwp | My main house home homebuilt NAS server has 6x 3TB drives in it at this time. 3 and 4 TB drives are still the knee of the cost-storage curve right now. |
| 01:34.18 | EdePopede | iirc the 32GB i had bought before (no idea how much before) wasn't cheaper than the 1328. |
| 01:34.45 | EdePopede | for some time they had the 8TB, but now it's up agian |
| 01:35.10 | brachamh_ | ok this is weird...i just installed debian on a drive to throw into my server...and tried using sudo only to have it say command not found |
| 01:35.19 | rwp | A few years ago I ordered a 60TB SSD and the vendor shipped it and included a 30TB SSD free of cost just to empty their inventory. |
| 01:35.28 | brachamh_ | i'm fairly new to debian, but i swear i didn't have to add that last time |
| 01:35.36 | dvs | brachamh_, sudo is not installed by default |
| 01:35.45 | EdePopede | 60TB? wait... SIX-TY?!? |
| 01:35.47 | brachamh_ | ok. so i just have to install it? |
| 01:36.00 | dvs | brachamh_, yes |
| 01:36.03 | rwp | brachamh_, In the installer the sudo package is installed only if you do not pick a root password. |
| 01:36.14 | brachamh_ | oh! |
| 01:36.15 | brachamh_ | ok |
| 01:36.18 | rwp | If you only pick a user password and not a root password then the installer knows you need sudo for it. |
| 01:36.24 | rwp | But if you pick a root password then it does not. |
| 01:37.02 | rwp | That way the installer can cater to people who want the no-root-pass+sudo by default and those who want root+pass and do whatever later by default. Both. |
| 01:37.26 | rwp | EdePopede, It was a few years ago. |
| 01:37.47 | brachamh_ | right, that makes sense. i started with ubuntu so i got used to everything right away. |
| 01:38.12 | rwp | And if you install it like with Ubuntu without a root password then you end up with sudo just like in Ubuntu. |
| 01:38.33 | brachamh_ | ubuntu doesn't ask for a root password by default |
| 01:38.58 | rwp | And the form page dialog box does describe this feature. But as you become experienced installing using it then one can fly by answering questions and hitting enter without reading the details each and every time. |
| 01:39.37 | rwp | I think Ubuntu does not provide the option at install time for a root password and therefore only provides the no-root-pass+sudo scenario only. |
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| 01:39.45 | brachamh_ | yes |
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| 01:40.08 | brachamh_ | ubuntu caters to less techy users |
| 01:40.36 | rwp | It's a small example where Debian was at the time The Universal Operating System and provided for different use cases whereas Ubuntu was opinionated software and did not. |
| 01:41.03 | rwp | Alas Debian is now opinionated software too and has removed many useful different use cases. |
| 01:41.50 | brachamh_ | and now i need to set up the network card in this computer |
| 01:42.06 | dvs | WiFi? |
| 01:42.11 | alexrelis[m] | rwp: What use cases specifically has Debian removed? |
| 01:43.42 | brachamh_ | no but i installed debian (no DE) on this drive in a different computer, put the drive in my server, and so it's set up for the wrong network card |
| 01:44.26 | dvs | brachamh_, it still might show up |
| 01:50.35 | brachamh_ | it's showing up, i think, but it's not active/connected |
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| 01:51.05 | dvs | brachamh_, probably because the device name is different. |
| 01:54.11 | brachamh_ | heh, i got a bunch of learning to do. i had set up ubuntu server on my server, and am wanting to switch to debian |
| 01:54.35 | brachamh_ | but commands that i'm used to just being there, well, aren't there |
| 01:54.36 | rwp | alexrelis[m], I would prefer not to say. The discussions never go calmly. I would get shouted down. There would be bans. |
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| 01:55.11 | rwp | brachamh_, Such as? Usually it is a simple thing to install what is needed. |
| 01:55.27 | rwp | I usually just operate the system and then install what I need as I run into needing them. |
| 01:55.41 | rwp | That way fresh servers don't have more accumulated cruft than they need. |
| 01:55.54 | brachamh_ | right, that makes sense, i'm just not used to it. partially because i had installed everything i needed a while ago lol |
| 01:56.11 | brachamh_ | i'm used to lshw to list the hardware |
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| 01:56.41 | rwp | If you install new systems three times in a row then you will want to start using a system configurator tool such as puppet, chef, ansible, salt, other. |
| 01:57.07 | rwp | "apt-get install lshw" |
| 02:00.34 | brachamh_ | rwp, thanks. that's good to know about the sysconfig tools |
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| 02:04.03 | brachamh_ | hard to install anything when you're not online though lol |
| 02:06.41 | brachamh_ | yes the wrong device was listed...changed that, now rebooting |
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| 02:36.46 | brachamh_ | hmm...i can't get dd to copy my server OS drive |
| 02:37.56 | sponix | brachamh_: I have had good luck with "clonezilla" in the past |
| 02:39.16 | brachamh_ | it has cli edition? |
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| 02:40.13 | sponix | brachamh_: to my knowledge it is always ncurses ( text based menu system ) |
| 02:40.15 | brachamh_ | it seems it does |
| 02:41.56 | brachamh_ | ah i don't have any blank cd's, and this server system seems to not want to boot from usb anymore |
| 02:43.13 | rwp | brachamh_, What do you mean, "can't get dd to copy my server OS drive". What problems are you having? |
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| 02:44.19 | brachamh_ | rwp it errors out with read errors |
| 02:45.01 | TESTED123 | hey ...coded a cool program in c...https://github.com/andrealbergaria/binPath ...it useful to break ciphers :) |
| 02:45.22 | rwp | brachamh_, Read errors would be a drive problem not a dd problem. |
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| 02:46.16 | rwp | What does SMART say for your drives? "smartctl -a /dev/sda" (apt-get install smartmontools) |
| 02:46.20 | JordiGH | Hm, is there no firefox-esr-dbgsym that matches the current version in debian-proposed-updates? |
| 02:46.36 | JordiGH | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:46.36 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.37 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 02:46.37 | brachamh_ | rwp i checked that yesterday and it's fine |
| 02:47.14 | sponix | brachamh_: It works off a USB Stick just fine. In fact I normally use use a regular Linux Live USB, and apt to pull it down for use into the live session. Only issue I have had with that is I had to do like partclone or a few deps it has manually because the package manager didn't do them correctly for me |
| 02:47.14 | rwp | brachamh_, I also suggest running short and long self-tests ("smartctl -t short /dev/sda ; sleep 120 ; smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda") |
| 02:47.17 | JordiGH | just gimme debug syms dammit |
| 02:48.07 | rwp | Additionally for a disk drive one does not need to use 'dd' and 'cat' or 'cp' can do the job too. |
| 02:49.05 | brachamh_ | yesterday i thought the read errors were because i'd left the read drive mounted, apparently not. i'm wanting to clone the drive so i can keep the system running from the clone while i switch from ubuntu to debian on the current OS drive |
| 02:49.32 | brachamh_ | cp won't do a proper clone, IIRC. does cat? |
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| 02:50.27 | kreyren | kreyren@leonid:~$ DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer" |
| 02:50.27 | kreyren | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000 (SNB GT2) |
| 02:50.32 | kreyren | what am i doing wrong? o.o |
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| 02:54.50 | kreyren | created https://github.com/Kreyren/kreyren/issues/16 |
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| 02:59.16 | brachamh_ | rwp, i just started a short self-test |
| 02:59.42 | brachamh_ | when it's done does it show the results? |
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| 03:12.59 | brachamh_ | ok so after the short test it's showing read errors |
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| 03:13.51 | brachamh_ | so i guess i should be replacing it, not trying to replace the OS on it |
| 03:15.09 | sponix | Yeah, errors are bad |
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| 03:17.55 | brachamh_ | i'll put the new drive back in the other computer and set it all up in there. while that's working i'll copy all the personal stuff on the failing drive to another drive |
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| 03:24.06 | brachamh_ | fun stuff. at least i caught it before the drive failed...and hopefully can get everything off of it and the next drive ready before it does fail. thanks rwp |
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| 03:26.53 | dvs | This is why I like HDDs: you usually see it coming. |
| 03:27.41 | sponix | brachamh_: this a spinning drive failing or an ssd ? |
| 03:33.12 | brachamh_ | spinning |
| 03:33.56 | sponix | brachamh_: thought it might be since the read errors. Normally ssd the writes error out 1st, and sometimes long before anything else. From what I hear |
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| 03:36.14 | brachamh_ | ah ok. yeah the first couple drives in this thing are drives that were given to me, so i'm not surprised, as this one is a 250GB that is probably nowhere near new |
| 03:37.09 | dvs | 250GB? They don't even make those HDDs anymore |
| 03:38.05 | brachamh_ | exactly. i told a friend i wanted to put a home server together, and he gave me a bunch of stuff that he had sitting around from an old project of his lol |
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| 03:38.10 | brachamh_ | i'm slowly upgrading |
| 03:38.14 | sponix | I just retired 5 x 1TB WD Greens from 2009 - Recently... Hated to do it because they all still worked perfectly. But I needed the bays to have higher density than that these days |
| 03:38.37 | sponix | brachamh_: well, if it was given to you. Can't complain too much about free stuff :P |
| 03:38.57 | dvs | sponix, that's exactly what I did recently with my 2GB WD Reds |
| 03:39.23 | dvs | I mean 2TB |
| 03:39.37 | sponix | I was like ... I retired my 2GB Thumb drives years ago :) |
| 03:39.50 | dvs | heh |
| 03:40.31 | dvs | Yeah, now the smallest thumb drives I can find now are 8GB |
| 03:41.57 | sponix | dvs: I have some around here in a case that are like 256MB lol |
| 03:42.13 | dvs | d'oh! |
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| 03:55.22 | brachamh_ | so, installing debian as a server...how many system partitions are recommended? |
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| 03:58.00 | brachamh_ | ok so there's an option for seperate home, var, and tmp partitions |
| 03:58.52 | sponix | brachamh_: I like to be able to carry /home from one install to the next saving having to redo most of my user preferences. So I split that off |
| 03:59.08 | sponix | brachamh_: doing regular backups of /home would prevent the need for that, but I am lazy |
| 04:00.08 | sponix | only reason to split off /tmp or /var is if you are afraid of them getting FULL and it impacting your / grinding the system to a halt. OR /var if you want to carry over db or web stuff from install to install |
| 04:00.43 | sponix | I keep /var on / though, and just point it to a bigger drive with a symlink for /var/www |
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| 04:03.24 | brachamh_ | ah ok. hmm...gonna have to customize this a bit |
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| 04:06.55 | CombatVet | any reason why a windows share wont mount at boot? dmesg shows this error: CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -101 |
| 04:07.16 | CombatVet | my fstab looks like this: //windows/share /mount/point cifs credentials=/path/to/.file,vers=3.0,gid=33,uid=33 0 0 |
| 04:07.30 | metbsd | is it possible to use archlinux aur kernel in testing |
| 04:08.00 | CombatVet | also, it mounts when I 'mount -a' without a problem |
| 04:08.09 | sponix | metbsd: not sure ... But have to ask why you would want to ? |
| 04:08.22 | CombatVet | i'm thinking it tries to mount it prior to running networking |
| 04:08.32 | sponix | CombatVet: could be |
| 04:08.54 | CombatVet | sponix, how would you solve this? |
| 04:08.56 | metbsd | ok there's tweaked kernel that works for my amd ryzen 3 3200g gpu |
| 04:09.04 | metbsd | this kernel fix tearing problem |
| 04:09.15 | CombatVet | I even tried doing it under crontab, it wouldn't work |
| 04:09.29 | metbsd | i tried options in testing kernel with xorg no tearing, but still not perfect |
| 04:09.41 | sponix | CombatVet: if /etc/rc.local exist, it is normally ran after all other scripts and you could just drop a "mount -a" in there - possibly |
| 04:09.42 | metbsd | so i'm thinking to use this kernel in aur |
| 04:09.45 | metbsd | is it possible |
| 04:10.19 | sponix | CombatVet: Most would tell you to write a systemd service for it using the "after networking" type statement towards the top. But I am WAY too lazy for such |
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| 04:11.15 | sponix | metbsd: you are aware you are asking about using an Arch Linux community driven repo, on Debian -- correct ? |
| 04:11.29 | metbsd | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-amd-raven/ |
| 04:11.37 | metbsd | yes |
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| 04:11.44 | metbsd | i already got the kernel |
| 04:11.47 | sponix | metbsd: If you have such a need for a bleeding edge kernel provided by Arch. You might be best off just "using Arch" |
| 04:11.55 | metbsd | can i copy from arch /boot to debian /boot |
| 04:12.23 | metbsd | now i dual boot arch and debian |
| 04:12.35 | sponix | metbsd: you _could_ pull down the source used to build that kernel though, and build that. Possibly even make it into a deb package for installation |
| 04:12.50 | metbsd | and debian grub cannot boot arch for some reason. but arch grub can boot debian |
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| 04:15.08 | sponix | https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage |
| 04:15.51 | sponix | you can use that to guide you... taking your arch kernel source, and its default config.. And building that kernel for your Debian |
| 04:16.35 | quadrathoch2 | CombatVet did you try x-systemd.requires=network-online.target ? |
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| 05:57.00 | brachamh_ | ok so i just installed debian (no DE), and the text on the screen is huge! |
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| 06:27.12 | zeroes | Someone know why this mirror command doesn't work , "debmirror -a amd64 -d buster -s main -h http://www.nic.funet.fi --progress '/EXTERNAL_HDD/' --rsync-extra=doc,tools" ? |
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| 06:54.32 | eharris | So I just installed a new copy of debian buster, and it seems to have VT switching using ctl-alt-Fn disabled so I'm stuck at the X login screen How do I re-enable that? |
| 06:56.50 | ksk | eharris: that should work. Do you have a laptop or so, where you need to press "the magic button" to make these keys generate "F1" and not "unmoute sound" or so? |
| 06:57.00 | ksk | (you can most likely switch default behaviour in bios) |
| 06:57.15 | eharris | not a laptop, it's a desktop |
| 06:58.15 | eharris | ok, if it's not a config problem I will troubleshoot further. Thx |
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| 07:18.23 | Schrostfutz_ | Hi, I installed a debian system that mounts the ESP as /boot. Is that a problem? During installation I got an error about failing to create hardlinks on /boot, but apt succeeded, so I assume that this is just a warning, or am I mistaken? |
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| 08:00.57 | inch | Schrostfutz_: See https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/51410/what-is-rpikernelhack |
| 08:02.10 | inch | Installing packages needs hard links and if they are not supported, things can go wrong. |
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| 08:03.56 | inch | Everything might work just fine until you need to upgrade a package which has files on /boot. |
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| 08:13.50 | EdePopede | i'm not sure about the relation between links/elinks/elinks2 (though this one may be the successor), but i think i installed links2 because the others (inlucding lynkx of course) don't support more than just plain character cell based text. but now it seems i can't get colors (at least links) in the -dump. elinks seems to have this option. but installing another variant just to get this feature for a html viewer seems like overkill. options? |
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| 08:41.27 | max42343 | Hello friends, yesterday I installed debian testing and tried to sintall the nvidia driver by this tutorial: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_10_.22Buster.22 I used the Buster-backports as repository for testing. I guess that was wrong, because there were some errors when isntalling the drivers and after a reboot I only had a |
| 08:41.27 | max42343 | white blinking cursor. How do I properly install NVIDIA drivers on Debian testing? Would it work without problems, if I used buster? |
| 08:42.29 | max42343 | In general can I use backports for other releasese (buster-backports) on debian bullseye? |
| 08:43.03 | nkuttler | max42343: no |
| 08:43.46 | nkuttler | !nvidia dkms |
| 08:43.46 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 08:43.51 | max42343 | nkuttler: is there such a thing as bullseye backports? |
| 08:44.06 | nkuttler | max42343: no |
| 08:44.33 | max42343 | So I can not isntall nvidia drivers on testing? |
| 08:44.48 | nkuttler | the bot just told you what to do? |
| 08:44.55 | ksk | ah, there he is :) |
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| 08:47.28 | max42343 | Do I need to replace "My GPU" with my gpu? |
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| 08:53.27 | themill | suspects there are some missing from dpkg's output |
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| 09:04.05 | Schrostfutz_ | inch: Okay, that is a problem... In that case I'll likely mount the ESP to /efi instead and install some hooks to copy changed files from /boot instead. I just need to find out what the appropriate hooks are. |
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| 09:55.27 | nirakara | do you guys mind if i ask a question here even though I'm running ubuntu? I don't believe my problem is ubuntu specific and i run debian on all my other machines and servers... |
| 09:55.57 | nirakara | i'm installing 20.04 desktop using mdadm. created the raid 0 array and installed ubuntu onto it. the instructions im following call for `mount --bind /dev /target/dev` but when i run this command i get `mount: /target/dev: mount point does not exist.` im supposed to do the same for /proc and /sys so that I can chroot into the system and install |
| 09:55.58 | nirakara | mdadm before rebooting. what is the workaround for this? |
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| 12:18.05 | KatrinValerie | Does anyone know which is the best mainted broadcom wifi driver? My card has a BCM4360 chipset |
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| 12:20.33 | Clock | night all! |
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| 12:22.25 | dvs | KatrinValerie, I don't know if it's the best maintained but the wl driver worked the best when I had to use Broadcom drivers. |
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| 12:22.29 | lyakh | hi, I cannot seem to find ecryptfs-utils in stable and testing? |
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| 12:27.31 | KatrinValerie | dvs: it works but it has an annoying bug that limits the usable channels of the 5ghz spectrum |
| 12:27.53 | KatrinValerie | I think 40-48 are the only channels that work |
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| 12:29.06 | KatrinValerie | on a side note, can someone recommend a graphical interface for wifi settings that gives you more advanced options than the gnome-settings dialogues? |
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| 12:29.27 | KatrinValerie | should work with networkmanager |
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| 12:29.35 | Fox | lyakh: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765854 |
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| 12:32.40 | jham | hello, after googling I found out that (correct me if I am wrong) there is currently no support for bluetooth HFP 1.6 (16khz) headsets. Looks like only 8khz is supported which leads to an ancient speech sound quality. My idea to fix it was to buy a usb dongle which supports HFP >= 1.6 and behaves to the OS as a common usb headset. Is anyone aware of such a donge compatible to current debian stable? |
| 12:33.36 | lyakh | Fox, oh, that's a bummer :-/ Thanks though! I took the two packages from unstable for now - seem to work... |
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| 12:36.08 | netvixtra | jham: ASUS USB-BT400 |
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| 12:39.15 | Fox | lyakh: did you install unstable packages on a buster ? |
| 12:39.48 | lyakh | Fox: on bullseye |
| 12:39.58 | Fox | k |
| 12:40.19 | lyakh | this means I won't be getting security and other updates for them now :-/ |
| 12:41.54 | jham | netvixtra: thank you - is this a bt dongle which mocks headset behavior or "just" a bt dongle with which i could be able to get 16khz wideband audio on debian with my bt headset connected to it? My Thinkpad does have BT interface the problem is probably the BT driver not supporting 16khz audio generally on debian. |
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| 12:58.53 | ikonia | anyone on debian 10 running the puppet agent that is shipped from the debian repos rather than from the puppet repos |
| 12:59.10 | ikonia | looking for a test case of if systemd is able to start the agent |
| 13:00.26 | greycat | One would assume that *someone* is using it. Maybe you should just try to diagnose whatever's going wrong on yours. Is it starting too soon, before the network is up? The usual cause for that one is "allow-hotplug". |
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| 13:01.15 | karlpinc | ikonia: _Possibly_ also, see the readme.debian. |
| 13:01.16 | ikonia | greycat: so I'm trying to diagnose if the problem is with the arm build that is shipped downstream from debian to raspbian, I'm currently building a debian 10 box to validate it on x86_64 first |
| 13:01.19 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 13:01.19 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 13:01.32 | ikonia | but thought it worth seeing if anyone had it running before building a test box |
| 13:01.54 | ikonia | karlpinc: a wise step, thank you |
| 13:02.12 | KatrinValerie | any reason why you use puppet over something like ansible? |
| 13:02.34 | ikonia | KatrinValerie: personal preference, puppet fit the usecase better |
| 13:02.41 | ikonia | nothing against ansible, use it all the time |
| 13:02.56 | KatrinValerie | I stan it, despite never having used it in production xD |
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| 13:03.37 | KatrinValerie | and now I'm studying math, so I might never get to enjoy orchestrating a bunch of debian machines for a venture |
| 13:04.15 | KatrinValerie | but looking at how I handle my desktop i probably shouldn't end up in that line of work anyways |
| 13:04.40 | KatrinValerie | more of a topic for the debian-social channel, sorry. |
| 13:05.49 | ikonia | interesting in the README, |
| 13:07.00 | ikonia | I'll need to build a debian box to validate the debian package, I suspect this will be a Raspbian/pii type problem, rather than a debian upstream |
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| 13:09.46 | Zathras | Hi, I am looking for a tool to 'archive' a server beside the obvious tar. When migrating to a new server I would like to have an easy accessible backup on the new server of the old server's packagelist, etc, home, root, www-root, /usr/local, other?. Any recommendations besides tarballs and relative complex backup systems? |
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| 13:10.20 | greycat | get the package list with dpkg --get-selections, redirect it to a text file |
| 13:10.57 | greycat | I wouldn't bother with tar for the backup copies of the files. I'd just rsync them somewhere (another server on the network, or an external disk). |
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| 13:12.00 | greycat | Don't forget /opt, pieces of /var (cron jobs, mail if you use /var/mail, log files maybe), or unique things like /srv /service /package .... |
| 13:12.46 | Zathras | yep. The 'forgetting' part is mainly why I am looking for a tool instead of manual labour |
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| 13:54.46 | debron | hi guys, please, could you help me to set my TL- WN722N usb wifi adapter to work? |
| 13:55.13 | debron | if I say: lsusb: it appears with its model name, i already installed firmware-atheros (and also firmware-realtek) just in case |
| 13:55.43 | debron | but I cant see any wifi adapter in default debian desktop menu for wifi |
| 13:56.52 | Zathras | debron, that adapter comes in multiple versions |
| 13:57.00 | debron | bus 001 Device 005: ID XXX:XXX TP-Link TL-WN722N v2 |
| 13:57.10 | greycat | dpkg tl-wn722n |
| 13:57.10 | dpkg | The TP-LINK TL-WN722N "150Mbps High Gain Wireless USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0cf3:9271). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chip; for support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-WN722N |
| 13:57.48 | debron | uhm, why it didnt got recognize then? |
| 13:57.49 | lyakh | confused... "man git" prints in English (which is also what I want). "git --help" prints in German... How come? |
| 13:57.50 | debron | weird, let me check |
| 13:58.51 | greycat | Maybe there's a German translation for the git program's output strings but not the man page(s)? |
| 14:00.12 | Zathras | debron, v2 is probably a realtek unit. modprobe 8188eu |
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| 14:00.33 | greycat | I don't see any translations in https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/git-man/filelist but I *do* see translations in https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/git/filelist |
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| 14:00.44 | Zathras | see: https://askubuntu.com/questions/912498/tl-wn722n-is-not-recognized <-- hopefully you will not need to build the driver |
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| 14:02.50 | lyakh | greycat: it looks like a "glitch:" I just tried a fresh login in a tty, and there both were in English. Perhaps I had some wrong settings previously in my locale, presumably, after I logout and login again to the GUI, it will all be good here too... |
| 14:03.51 | greycat | Or, your GUI is setting locale variables that differ from the ones you get in a console login. |
| 14:04.07 | greycat | Desktop Environments like to take over everything. |
| 14:04.13 | lyakh | yes, just did a "su - /me" in a terminal in the GUI and it was all good there too |
| 14:04.55 | karlpinc | Zathras: rsnapshot? |
| 14:06.59 | b1ack0p | which wine pack can i install? is it ok to run sudo apt install wine? |
| 14:07.18 | b1ack0p | it shows : |
| 14:07.21 | b1ack0p | Recommended packages: wine32 |
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| 14:11.44 | Zathras | karlpinc, thanks. After checking the docs: rsnapshot does not support push, only pull which would require root ssh access |
| 14:11.58 | greycat | b1ack0p: why are you requesting this much hand-holding? just try it and see. if it doesn't work, remove it. |
| 14:12.00 | Zathras | pity |
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| 14:15.07 | b1ack0p | greycat: i didnt want to install wrong package |
| 14:15.10 | b1ack0p | ok |
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| 14:25.37 | ZeroWalker | could someone help me understand Note 4 mentions in the table here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/virtualization/hyper-v/supported-debian-virtual-machines-on-hyper-v |
| 14:26.23 | ZeroWalker | i don't really get what it means, never used backport, does it just mean i add a new sourcelist or is there more to it? |
| 14:28.12 | oerheks | backports; newer packages made available for older debian version https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 14:28.35 | ksk | ZeroWalker: Igore it. It just wants to tell you that the debian kernel may not be the latest kernel that was release by the linux kernel procject - but that is perfectly normal. |
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| 14:29.10 | ksk | !tell ZeroWalker about backports |
| 14:29.35 | ZeroWalker | But it mentions it for several features, one of them being dynamic ram, which behaves kinda odd at times (just allocating forever for no reason at times) |
| 14:29.36 | ksk | As long as you are not missing features (like termperature readings on a recent ryzen) I would not bother. |
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| 14:41.10 | mehregaan | hello |
| 14:42.12 | ksk | ZeroWalker: This then kind of sounds like a missing feature, try installing the kernel from backports :) |
| 14:43.18 | ZeroWalker | ksk, and i am not sure how i do that, do i just add it to source list and update/upgrade, or do i "apt install kernel" or something:s |
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| 14:44.11 | ksk | You add backports to sources list, and do "apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64" - or whichever kernel package you have installed. |
| 14:44.43 | ksk | ZeroWalker: the bot, dpkg, should have messaged you with a short sentence about backports, and a link to the debian wiki/handbook. |
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| 14:45.39 | ZeroWalker | i can't see anything sadly, i see you wrote the !tell thing, but then there's just us talking and some people quitting/joining the channel |
| 14:45.54 | ksk | Its a private message, somewhere ;) |
| 14:45.57 | ksk | !backports |
| 14:45.57 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 14:46.01 | ZeroWalker | oh i am blind |
| 14:46.10 | ksk | (its only now in channel, it was not before) |
| 14:46.28 | ZeroWalker | yeah see it now, never look there, not the first time i have missed private messages, sorry and thanks! |
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| 15:06.36 | debron | Hello guys |
| 15:07.04 | debron | I am still trying to get my TL-Wn722n on debian |
| 15:07.48 | debron | Still cant find Wifi devices, weird because lsusb show the device model name. I went to the company website, they offer some driver to compile for linux |
| 15:07.54 | debron | but im having this error on Make |
| 15:08.49 | debron | https://paste.debian.net/1155361/ |
| 15:09.28 | debron | i tried creating the ...\build directory myself, but then, it enters the directory and fail with: make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop. |
| 15:11.40 | debron | could someone help me to short this out? i do not even know what SKRC or KSRC is |
| 15:12.35 | debron | is there some config file in debian where i should manually specify that USB debvice is a wifi adapter? |
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| 15:13.28 | debron | because that is what looks that is happening right now... debian know's what brand-model it is, but debian doesnt find any wifi devices |
| 15:14.19 | greycat | dpkg tl-wn722n |
| 15:14.19 | dpkg | The TP-LINK TL-WN722N "150Mbps High Gain Wireless USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0cf3:9271). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chip; for support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-WN722N |
| 15:14.22 | greycat | dpkg ath9k_htc |
| 15:14.23 | dpkg | ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 15:14.47 | greycat | If that wiki page can't help you, then I for sure can't either. |
| 15:15.12 | debron | ok , i went before to the tp-link site, let me check the wiki |
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| 15:15.15 | debron | thanks again greycat |
| 15:16.34 | Zathras | greycat, that bot msgs is probably not entirely correct as multiple version of that WiFiNIC exist. Not all use the same chipset |
| 15:16.48 | Zathras | at least that is what a quick ddg session learned me |
| 15:17.32 | greycat | Well, they could compare their USB ID to the one the bot showed. |
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| 15:18.13 | greycat | If theirs doesn't match, then yeah, that would raise a red flag. |
| 15:18.53 | debron | the bot says exactly my model number |
| 15:18.59 | Zathras | see: http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN722N_v1.x |
| 15:19.20 | greycat | What Zathras is trying to tell you is that the *model number* is unreliable. You need to check the USB ID as well. |
| 15:19.33 | debron | oh |
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| 15:19.39 | debron | yeah i guess config is comming now |
| 15:19.53 | debron | i installed firmware-atheros long ago, but i downloaded it in a different way |
| 15:19.58 | debron | so im reinstalling from apt just in case |
| 15:20.06 | debron | and making sure its taking the nonfree in this case |
| 15:20.17 | debron | now... i guess ill go on with configurations show in the wiki |
| 15:20.35 | debron | the lsusb should tell me usb id |
| 15:22.37 | debron | Oh noes... before when i typed lsusb , i could see my adapter brand and model there, but not anymore |
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| 15:22.47 | debron | maybe its because i reinstalled firmware-atheros |
| 15:22.50 | debron | ill reboot |
| 15:22.57 | Zathras | debron, use dmidecode |
| 15:23.10 | debron | what for' |
| 15:23.24 | Zathras | or more verbosity on lsusb |
| 15:23.31 | debron | no its okay |
| 15:23.35 | debron | its just that device |
| 15:23.42 | debron | its not being recognized anymore like it used to |
| 15:23.42 | Zathras | for detecting the model/name/chipset |
| 15:23.52 | debron | oh |
| 15:23.52 | Zathras | unplug/replug it |
| 15:23.58 | debron | yeah tried that already |
| 15:24.05 | debron | and same result |
| 15:24.11 | Zathras | use different usb port |
| 15:25.02 | debron | same result |
| 15:25.04 | debron | all the time |
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| 15:25.21 | debron | uhm this is weird, before it could be seen |
| 15:25.25 | debron | im going to reboot, brb |
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| 15:29.12 | Zathras | wb |
| 15:29.33 | debron | thanks |
| 15:29.36 | debron | no luck at all |
| 15:29.48 | debron | oh man this is one of those things that really bring me down |
| 15:30.11 | Zathras | debron, use an usb-hub in the middle. Might help. Or follow the advice of dmidecode |
| 15:30.13 | debron | when 10 minutes earlier, i could clearly see TPLink - TL Wn722n-2 in the lsusb command |
| 15:30.17 | debron | and now i dont see nothing |
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| 15:34.06 | debron | ok i trhink i got the port number |
| 15:34.15 | debron | with lsusb -t |
| 15:34.22 | debron | and it says its wireless adapter |
| 15:34.28 | Zathras | debron, use -vvv |
| 15:35.24 | debron | couldnt open device, some information might be missing |
| 15:35.26 | debron | i think i found it |
| 15:35.31 | debron | it says its a wireless device |
| 15:35.41 | Zathras | shocking |
| 15:35.41 | debron | but also could be my telephone which is sharing internet via usb |
| 15:37.21 | Zathras | ID can be linked to manufacturer |
| 15:38.08 | debron | mmm |
| 15:38.57 | debron | ok then yeah |
| 15:39.01 | debron | it was my mobile phone |
| 15:39.03 | debron | so |
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| 15:39.16 | debron | the rest of devices are: keyboard, audio card, and 2 usb hubs |
| 15:39.20 | debron | "usb hubs" |
| 15:39.37 | debron | i suspect one of those is my mouse, and the other one is my wifi card |
| 15:40.19 | debron | so the one with the error you said "shocking" its my mobile phone, sharing internet to my computer through USB |
| 15:40.21 | Zathras | assumption is the mother of all F*ckups |
| 15:40.46 | debron | yeah, i will not believe never in my assumptions |
| 15:40.48 | debron | xD |
| 15:40.49 | Zathras | lookup IDs on the net |
| 15:40.56 | debron | uhm? |
| 15:40.59 | debron | ah yeah |
| 15:41.12 | debron | yeah thats how i found out which one was my mobile |
| 15:41.16 | debron | by the id XXX:XXX |
| 15:41.34 | debron | one of them, my audio card, is no problem, because is recognized with brand name and all |
| 15:41.53 | debron | my keyboard has also a card reader (for ID) |
| 15:42.00 | debron | and its also shown there, but 2 times |
| 15:42.06 | debron | i guess its because that feature |
| 15:42.13 | debron | but i cant find my mouse |
| 15:42.23 | debron | or wifi card |
| 15:42.57 | Zathras | alternatively: unplug wifi thingy: lsusb, count lines, plugin thingy, count lines: if lines+1 then compare lines -> new lines is device |
| 15:43.31 | Zathras | I am not really interested in mouses atm |
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| 15:50.14 | debron | https://paste.debian.net/1155368/ |
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| 15:50.38 | debron | Zathras: that are all ^ |
| 15:50.49 | debron | so its one of the linux fundation |
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| 15:54.48 | debron | maybe its broken... |
| 15:55.06 | debron | going to try in windows installation for a moment, maybe the device just died |
| 15:55.31 | debron | because im unplugging everything else, and those linux fundations still there, and nothing changes when i plug this in |
| 15:55.54 | Zathras | debron, nope. DeviceID starts with: http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN722N_v2 : https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/2357/010c |
| 15:56.40 | debron | im telling you, it doesnt appear |
| 15:56.54 | debron | before it did, but not anymore since 1 hour ago |
| 15:56.59 | debron | I dont know why |
| 15:57.10 | Zathras | yes. And I made suggestions how to go around that if possible |
| 15:57.21 | debron | should i try to disconnect my mobile for a moment? its sharing internet through usb, so i might get disconected |
| 15:57.36 | debron | Zathras: the -vvv i did long ago |
| 15:57.42 | debron | and i told you results |
| 15:57.46 | Zathras | do not see the benefit of that |
| 15:57.59 | Zathras | nope: dmidecode & usb-hub |
| 15:58.04 | debron | oooh |
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| 15:58.20 | debron | ok one moment |
| 15:58.25 | Zathras | most likely dmidecode will not work when lsusb fails though |
| 15:58.53 | debron | usb hub, you mean me to use a usb hub to plug this device? |
| 15:58.56 | debron | i do not have any |
| 15:59.08 | debron | why is that a solution? |
| 16:00.17 | debron | somethihng went really wrong with this, I dont know what. i installed debian today, for some time i was able to see the device name with lsusb, but not anymore |
| 16:00.21 | debron | maybe died |
| 16:00.32 | debron | brb, going to reboot on different OS and check |
| 16:00.32 | Zathras | because the hub might get recognized by the mainboard usb interface while the tp-link can be read by the hub. Sometimes then the ID gets properly read by the motherboard as the hub is a proxy |
| 16:00.57 | Zathras | weird but true |
| 16:01.28 | Zathras | also note my last two links |
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| 17:30.10 | debron | TL-WN722N |
| 17:30.16 | debron | how to call the bot again? |
| 17:30.19 | debron | i need that wiki link |
| 17:30.22 | debron | please |
| 17:30.35 | debron | ! TL-WN722N |
| 17:30.35 | dpkg | The TP-LINK TL-WN722N "150Mbps High Gain Wireless USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0cf3:9271). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chip; for support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-WN722N |
| 17:30.42 | sney | !msg the bot |
| 17:30.42 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 17:30.42 | greycat | dpkg ath9k_htc |
| 17:30.55 | greycat | dpkg ath9k_htc |
| 17:30.55 | dpkg | ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
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| 17:31.01 | debron | thanks |
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| 17:32.36 | debron | greycat: could you help me to compile drivers? |
| 17:32.45 | debron | I got the ones provided by the Brand |
| 17:32.54 | debron | I think will be the only possible way |
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| 17:33.09 | debron | They provide the code and a short guide on how to compile it, but I get error |
| 17:34.07 | debron | https://www.tp-link.com/en/support/download/tl-wn722n/v2/#Driver |
| 17:34.48 | debron | What I dont understand is why I cant even identify the device , when pluged in... |
| 17:34.57 | dvs | /lib/modules/4.19.0-9-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_htc.ko |
| 17:35.00 | debron | Maybe Zathras was right about the USB-HUB |
| 17:35.29 | debron | but if so... i would really probably not use this OS, probably would try different distr |
| 17:35.45 | debron | dvs: ? |
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| 17:36.22 | debron | did you just mention a file location? |
| 17:36.26 | dvs | yes |
| 17:36.39 | debron | is that suposed to help in this case? |
| 17:36.46 | debron | I cant understand what you mean there |
| 17:37.01 | dvs | it says that the ath9k_htc.ko module is already in the kernel |
| 17:37.20 | RoyK | dvs: what does "ip link list" say? |
| 17:37.30 | dvs | RoyK, it for debron |
| 17:37.40 | dvs | **its |
| 17:38.08 | debron | dvs but thats not the thing that tp-link is providing there, right? |
| 17:38.13 | debron | they claim to provide a linux driver |
| 17:38.17 | debron | need to compile it |
| 17:38.33 | debron | I am not sure if ath9k_htc will work for my wifi card |
| 17:38.48 | debron | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc#Supported_Devices |
| 17:38.52 | debron | is not listed there |
| 17:38.58 | debron | so I guess its not supported |
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| 17:39.06 | debron | thats why im try to compile from tp-link site |
| 17:39.16 | debron | TL-WN722N |
| 17:39.19 | debron | v2 |
| 17:39.24 | RoyK | debron: what happens if you rmmod the driver and then modprobe it? there should be something in dmesg |
| 17:40.04 | debron | RoyK: I am sorry, I am very rookie at linux, what is rmmod and, modprobe? |
| 17:40.20 | debron | dmesg sounds more familiar, but still will need to look about it |
| 17:41.05 | RoyK | dmesg -T will show you the kernel log with readable timestamps. rmmod ath9k_htc will unload the ath9k_htc driver. modprobe ath9k_htc will load it again |
| 17:41.23 | debron | oki I will try all those |
| 17:41.25 | debron | thanks |
| 17:41.45 | RoyK | run dmesg -T after unloading/reloading the module |
| 17:42.20 | debron | how was that command for read logs... in real time? |
| 17:42.31 | debron | mmmm |
| 17:42.40 | debron | i want to script all the stuff |
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| 17:42.49 | debron | then look in the returned file |
| 17:42.52 | debron | of the script |
| 17:43.14 | RoyK | never mind - just run this first to see what's in dmesg when you load the driver |
| 17:43.16 | greycat | if you can't even do things by hand, writing a program to do it for you is not going to go well |
| 17:43.35 | debron | xDDD i mean "script" |
| 17:43.37 | debron | console script |
| 17:43.38 | RoyK | modinfo ath9k_htc will show you if there are flags like "verbose" or something that can be used to get more info |
| 17:43.39 | debron | ok ok |
| 17:44.09 | debron | so first rmmod ath9k_htc |
| 17:44.14 | RoyK | it'll load automatically if you make it work |
| 17:44.16 | RoyK | yes |
| 17:44.16 | debron | then modprobe |
| 17:44.20 | debron | and then check dmesg |
| 17:44.24 | RoyK | modprobe ath9k_htc, yes |
| 17:44.26 | RoyK | and yes |
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| 17:44.45 | debron | ok module not loaded |
| 17:44.56 | debron | i need to install firmware-atheros , right? |
| 17:44.58 | RoyK | lsmod will show you what's loaded |
| 17:45.04 | debron | i just reinstalled debian fresh installation |
| 17:45.10 | debron | so i will have to install again |
| 17:45.14 | RoyK | I guess so - didn't the article/bod say that above? |
| 17:45.18 | RoyK | nah |
| 17:45.26 | RoyK | apt search firmware-atheros |
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| 17:45.45 | RoyK | apt install whateverit'scalled |
| 17:45.56 | debron | firmware-atheros/stable 20190114-2 all |
| 17:46.01 | RoyK | install that |
| 17:46.27 | debron | oki |
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| 17:46.47 | debron | after installing, module stil not currently loaded |
| 17:46.52 | debron | do i need to start it manually? |
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| 17:48.06 | debron | https://paste.debian.net/1155389/ |
| 17:49.05 | debron | ok i did modprobe and read dmesg |
| 17:49.09 | debron | i found this in very last line |
| 17:49.11 | debron | [Mon Jul 6 18:48:28 2020] usbcore: registered new interface driver ath9k_htc |
| 17:49.48 | Zathras | debron, atheros is bs. Just read the docs / links I provided. Your device is a realtek unit |
| 17:49.58 | debron | isnt it very weird that I do not even see it at all in "lsusb"? |
| 17:50.12 | debron | ooohhh |
| 17:50.54 | Zathras | v1=atheros v2=realtek v3=v2 rebranded |
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| 17:51.44 | Zathras | distro swap is bs. It is a kernel issue at most. More likely a hardware issue |
| 17:52.05 | debron | the device is working, I tested few minutes ago in the windows partition |
| 17:52.09 | debron | and works fine |
| 17:52.16 | debron | in same usb slot |
| 17:52.22 | debron | maybe kernel problem |
| 17:52.37 | Zathras | good. Try a hub or dmidecode, or just straight away the driver |
| 17:52.43 | debron | but its true that once i had atheros installed and saw the real device name once |
| 17:52.53 | debron | im going to reboot after installing realtek |
| 17:52.57 | debron | maybe im lucky |
| 17:53.00 | Zathras | at the last link I provided a patch to the kernel was suggested |
| 17:53.10 | Zathras | but that seemed old info |
| 17:53.19 | Zathras | so maybe you are in luck and can do without |
| 17:53.33 | debron | should i reboot now? |
| 17:53.38 | debron | after installing firmware-realtek? |
| 17:54.01 | debron | or maybe restart networking services and network-manager |
| 17:54.36 | Zathras | sounds like a plan. Also check logs afterwards. You could also have conflicting sw (versions) installed |
| 17:55.01 | debron | which logs would be good idea? dmesg? |
| 17:55.19 | Zathras | dmesg/syslog/messages |
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| 17:56.10 | Zathras | you might need to modprobe the right realtek module manually |
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| 17:58.07 | debron | how to know the right one? |
| 17:58.12 | debron | i know there is one called realtek |
| 17:58.51 | Zathras | r8188eu |
| 17:59.08 | Zathras | http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN722N_v2 |
| 18:00.34 | debron | thanks you man |
| 18:00.45 | debron | or sir, whatever you feel more confortable with |
| 18:01.49 | Zathras | first one is fine ;-) |
| 18:01.49 | debron | Zathras: https://paste.debian.net/1155390/ |
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| 18:02.04 | debron | look thats the dmesg after modprobe that module |
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| 18:02.54 | debron | but lsusb still show the same |
| 18:02.57 | debron | im going to do a reboot |
| 18:03.00 | debron | just in case lol |
| 18:03.04 | debron | even if its a nonsense in linux |
| 18:03.17 | debron | well... maybe it works, but not because reboot, but restart some services |
| 18:03.25 | debron | but as im newbie and idk, ill just try a reboot |
| 18:03.27 | debron | brb |
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| 18:10.50 | debron | hi back |
| 18:10.55 | debron | no miracles for now |
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| 18:11.39 | Zathras | debron, https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB |
| 18:12.00 | Zathras | note: quite old |
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| 18:13.04 | Zathras | also check (the bottom of) https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB |
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| 18:13.07 | debron | Zathras: its just not there |
| 18:13.09 | debron | like not plugged |
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| 18:13.21 | debron | you know? i already identified all my usb's , and its not in there |
| 18:13.23 | debron | Idk why |
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| 18:13.39 | debron | it doesnt detect or change nothing when i plug/unplug it |
| 18:13.44 | debron | if like it were dead, but its not |
| 18:13.51 | Zathras | debron, so try alternative methods and check logs |
| 18:14.16 | debron | do you think worth try to compile the driver provided for tp-link? |
| 18:14.18 | Zathras | repeating it does not work and/or show does not fix things |
| 18:14.23 | debron | or I already have a good driver? |
| 18:14.33 | Zathras | probably the driver is ok |
| 18:15.15 | debron | then... i think im overwelmed by this |
| 18:15.31 | debron | this cheap adapter is start to bitting me right here |
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| 18:16.15 | debron | I would love to NOT install ubuntu xD |
| 18:16.24 | debron | but im afraid, with ubuntu I wont have this problem |
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| 18:16.49 | Zathras | lol. Has little to do with distros. It is all about kernels |
| 18:16.50 | debron | so I think i will end up installing ubuntu and check if it works out-of-the-box |
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| 18:17.09 | Zathras | check my last two links |
| 18:17.15 | debron | but ubuntu kernel uses to be a bit newer always, or is not anymore? |
| 18:17.28 | debron | but i do not have a usb hub with me |
| 18:17.33 | Zathras | probably. I do not use ubuntu |
| 18:17.35 | debron | what i do have is a usb extension wire |
| 18:17.56 | debron | ok, lets try a bit more |
| 18:18.11 | Zathras | what version of Debian? |
| 18:18.20 | debron | 10 |
| 18:18.22 | debron | buster |
| 18:18.27 | Zathras | ok. good |
| 18:19.00 | debron | you said somethign about dmidecode? |
| 18:19.02 | debron | or something similar |
| 18:19.18 | Zathras | I am puzzled though: you claimed it was recognized by Buster before? |
| 18:19.22 | Zathras | yes |
| 18:19.36 | debron | Zathras: yes |
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| 18:19.47 | debron | once, i did lsusb, on the first installation |
| 18:19.56 | debron | i think in that moment i had both atheros and realtek |
| 18:20.08 | debron | and it appeared , and very perfect, with the v2 at the end |
| 18:20.17 | Zathras | lsusb should be independed of installed drivers |
| 18:20.18 | debron | TL - WN722N v2 |
| 18:20.30 | debron | like that , u know? |
| 18:20.36 | debron | but never saw that again |
| 18:20.42 | debron | and it was today, few hours ago |
| 18:20.58 | debron | and it worked even in network manager |
| 18:21.17 | debron | you know something weird, it was at same time that i had my mobile working USB sharing connection |
| 18:21.38 | debron | so i had this doubt on my mind "is network manager show me wifi networks because of my mobile, or the usb wireless card? |
| 18:21.50 | debron | but it couldnt be my mobile |
| 18:22.01 | debron | because my mobile doesnt act like that, it just provides something like ethernet |
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| 18:22.09 | debron | so, i unplugged my mobile |
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| 18:22.14 | debron | and never worked again |
| 18:22.20 | debron | even after re-installing the SO |
| 18:22.22 | debron | OS* |
| 18:22.59 | debron | and in that time, i could see my addapter perfect in lsusb |
| 18:23.09 | debron | and I havent been able to that anymore |
| 18:23.31 | debron | the weirdest thing, is that after re-installing the OS , i cant reproduce this |
| 18:23.48 | debron | so... is something being maintained? even after formating disk? how is it possible? |
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| 18:26.19 | Zathras | grep -i "WN722N" /usr/share/misc/usb.ids |
| 18:27.08 | Zathras | so it is in Buster's ID database |
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| 18:28.58 | Zathras | maybe try the USB port on which it worked/showed when on Debian before? |
| 18:29.34 | Zathras | and check logs.... and /proc as mentioned in my link, and try dmidecode... |
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| 18:30.10 | debron | ok, I will check few things |
| 18:30.32 | debron | anyway still annoying me that couldnt reproduce after reinstall the whole OS |
| 18:30.47 | debron | what could i break, that persist a format? |
| 18:30.50 | debron | or a reinstall? |
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| 18:32.55 | Zathras | nothing. Only bad thing you could do is raise the gain. Would probably mean you will need to tweak the driver |
| 18:33.37 | Zathras | uninstalling unneeded things driverwise might also help. But again: lsusb should be independent |
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| 18:33.53 | debron | Zathras: !!! |
| 18:33.55 | debron | i know now |
| 18:33.59 | debron | what could be the difference |
| 18:34.13 | debron | look, first time i was downloading packages on my mobile, then sharing to PC through USB |
| 18:34.13 | Zathras | so with normal usage you cannot break things beyond repair |
| 18:34.25 | debron | so, i downloaded a "wrong" package by accident |
| 18:34.31 | debron | realtek and atheros 2016 |
| 18:34.32 | Zathras | so purge it |
| 18:34.34 | debron | instead of 2019 |
| 18:34.36 | debron | noooo |
| 18:34.42 | debron | that one are the one that worked ONCE |
| 18:34.48 | debron | now im installing 2019 and i dont get nothing |
| 18:34.55 | debron | what if i install the 2016 packages again? |
| 18:35.05 | debron | i purge 2019 now |
| 18:35.10 | debron | and install 2016 packages |
| 18:35.15 | debron | of the firmware |
| 18:35.17 | debron | maybe that works |
| 18:35.19 | Zathras | only the realtek one makes sense |
| 18:35.26 | debron | ok i will do that |
| 18:35.40 | debron | yeah i did with both last time because wasnt sure |
| 18:36.20 | Zathras | there are a zillion realtek drivers. Get the right one |
| 18:36.51 | Zathras | preferably the debian one. Not a third party one |
| 18:36.53 | debron | great, maybe is just that |
| 18:37.01 | debron | no, im getting them from debian packages |
| 18:38.02 | Zathras | also consider installing from commandline |
| 18:38.16 | Zathras | probably the package is still in the apt cache |
| 18:38.43 | Zathras | so you can use dpkg |
| 18:40.05 | debron | got it |
| 18:40.07 | debron | !! |
| 18:40.07 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 18:40.23 | debron | Zathras: it worked, now i can see my usb with right device name as ouput of lsusb |
| 18:40.43 | debron | but i used not 2016, but i downloaded the latest, which was only on backports |
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| 18:40.52 | Zathras | cool |
| 18:41.06 | debron | i have backport enabled on my sources... but it was installing the stable aparently |
| 18:41.53 | greycat | You have to read and follow the backports instructions. |
| 18:42.07 | debron | oki |
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| 18:42.44 | debron | thanks for suggest :) i guess to force this kind of things too |
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| 18:44.23 | Zathras | debron, just curious. Should I read your nick as "debron", "deb ron" or "de bron" ? |
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| 19:42.39 | GNU\colossus | I'm trying to pair a blutooth speaker with my headless Debian box. bluetoothctl pair <hwaddr> always asks for a PIN, but the speaker doesn't accept any. my desktop (using `blueman`) doesn't have that issue. any ideas how I could replicate the blueman behavior with only bluetoothctl? |
| 19:43.45 | GNU\colossus | (supplying a bogus pin, or one of the "well-known defaults" (0000, 1111, 1234) makes the pairing process fail) |
| 19:48.10 | GNU\colossus | it also "just works" on CLI on my archlinux box |
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| 19:57.33 | annadane | i don't know, try the backported kernel? if it works on arch |
| 19:58.23 | Zathras | GNU\colossus, google "bluetoothctl without pin" gives useful info.... |
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| 19:59.15 | omnisip | hey guys, I am running a managed service provider and would love to use a high quality management interface for all of the servers I've deployed in customer lans, what would you recommend? |
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| 20:02.26 | GNU\colossus | "interface"? your terminal emulator, running a shell. from there, use something like puppet. |
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| 20:05.26 | karlpinc | omnisip: ansible |
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| 20:52.56 | annadane | what do you use for .mobi? |
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| 20:57.38 | annadane | apparently calibre can do it but i thought i tried and it didn't work then |
| 20:57.49 | annadane | i'll just use that then |
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| 21:11.17 | nvz | yes, calibre is quite nice can cleanly convert any ebook to any other format desired |
| 21:11.35 | nvz | I've used it to convert ebooks for viewing on a cheap $15 chinese mp3 player |
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| 21:12.42 | p3lim | Making a repo using reprepro, got multiple components and the packages in each component have the same name, so I'm getting errors that the package can't be included since it already exists |
| 21:12.51 | p3lim | How can I fix this? |
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| 21:15.32 | nvz | idk you probably need to be more specific.. reprepro allows for different VERSIONS of the same package.. |
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| 21:17.50 | nvz | 0. |
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| 21:21.00 | p3lim | same name, same version, same everything but parts of the contents (hence why I seperate as component) |
| 21:21.25 | nvz | then make sepereate repositorities... use somethign that deduplicates like btrfs or such |
| 21:21.51 | nvz | there shouldnt be same name and same version.. reprepro nor apt are designed to understand such things |
| 21:21.56 | p3lim | there's no way to add like a tag or something to the filename it produces to differentiate them? |
| 21:23.01 | nvz | http://jurjenbokma.com/ApprenticesNotes/rs_layout.xhtml |
| 21:23.04 | p3lim | actually, reprepro should be designed to manage multiple codenames, and they could have this exact same issue |
| 21:23.12 | nvz | perhaps somethign in that setup would clarify |
| 21:23.51 | Enissay | I have a folder in which I want to replace a given string in both filenames & content using command line. Any directions please ? |
| 21:23.59 | nvz | http://jurjenbokma.com/ApprenticesNotes/rs_creation.xhtml |
| 21:24.06 | nvz | for example spells out the config |
| 21:24.09 | greycat | Enissay: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/021 |
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| 22:10.02 | debron | hi guys |
| 22:10.32 | debron | I found software mustang-plug which would be really nice to me, but its not for my debian version. What would be the downside of installing it anyway? |
| 22:10.41 | debron | it uses Qt library |
| 22:10.45 | debron | maybe dependences? |
| 22:11.14 | debron | its for sid, jessie, bullseye |
| 22:11.18 | debron | but not in buster |
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| 22:14.10 | annadane | ,v mustang-plug |
| 22:14.24 | annadane | RIP judd |
| 22:16.29 | annadane | you can try a self backport, i believe the libc6 it depends on isn't newer than the one in buster so perhaps it's ok |
| 22:16.31 | annadane | !ssb |
| 22:16.32 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:17.59 | warsoul | what happen with judd |
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| 22:38.29 | Zathras | debron, wifi works now? |
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| 22:50.04 | debron | Zathras: yeah |
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| 22:52.57 | debron | annadane: this is for installing the sid package with all its dependences? instead of downloading and dpkg -i manually each? |
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| 22:53.36 | annadane | debron, it's compiling the package for stable, if it's possible to do so |
| 22:53.59 | annadane | you don't want mixed stable and sid dependencies which is why i'm not recommending "just install it from sid" |
| 22:54.33 | annadane | from skimming the packages.debian.org page it seems possible to backport but i don't know for sure and i don't know how else to check other than judd |
| 22:55.18 | debron | judd? |
| 22:55.34 | debron | what is that? |
| 22:55.42 | annadane | judd is a bot that we can use (among other things) to see if a software can be backported |
| 22:55.53 | annadane | but which is offline now for whatever reason |
| 22:56.01 | debron | Ah I see |
| 22:56.10 | debron | interesting, I will look into that then |
| 22:56.16 | debron | self backport it from sid |
| 22:56.28 | annadane | follow the ssb instructions i posted |
| 22:56.32 | debron | instead of just install the deb from sid |
| 22:56.33 | annadane | or rather, that i requested dpkg post |
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| 22:57.11 | debron | need to install some script to select text here |
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| 22:57.13 | debron | sec |
| 22:58.15 | annadane | i wonder if i can find judd's database online so i can check anyway |
| 22:58.18 | annadane | !judd |
| 22:58.18 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-file>, <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
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| 23:05.00 | annadane | i should look into mirroring judd in the event it does go offline |
| 23:05.07 | annadane | i'm not sure if the source is out there somewhere |
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| 23:07.45 | sney | judd is online on oftc, so you can query it there and paste the responses here. |
| 23:08.17 | annadane | why did i not check that |
| 23:08.29 | sney | (and since the bot itself is online, it's probably just a connectivity/bouncer issue and themill hasn't noticed it yet/isn't able to fix it right now) |
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| 23:09.01 | annadane | judd> Backporting package mustang-plug in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 23:09.20 | sney | debhelper-compat is not a real package so you're good to go! |
| 23:10.08 | annadane | still, i should look into setting up a judd mirror if it does go down |
| 23:10.36 | annadane | it's a supybot with a bunch of plugins and if the plugins are freely available... |
| 23:10.59 | sney | it would be pretty weird for a debian resource to have closed/hidden source |
| 23:11.03 | annadane | and it interfaces with the UDD |
| 23:11.23 | annadane | i'm tired right now so i'm not bothering to check whether the source is there :P |
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| 23:11.30 | annadane | oh hey |
| 23:11.35 | annadane | it's back |
| 23:11.49 | dvs | ,wb |
| 23:11.50 | themill | (asking in #d-ops works :) |
| 23:11.56 | annadane | !tea themill |
| 23:11.56 | dpkg | hands themill a nice FLAMING!!!! mug of tea with lemon. |
| 23:12.12 | themill | :D |
| 23:12.26 | annadane | ...but now debron is gone |
| 23:12.52 | hassoon | wow |
| 23:14.01 | annadane | i can memoserv though! |
| 23:14.08 | annadane | which freenode has but oftc doesn't |
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| 23:15.13 | debron | !ssb |
| 23:15.13 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:15.22 | annadane | sigh |
| 23:15.37 | annadane | anyway, yes, follow those, your package is able to be backported |
| 23:16.04 | debron | nice!! |
| 23:16.15 | debron | sorry, i would have go to oftc and check for that |
| 23:16.25 | debron | but was bussy trying to understand how to copy text from weechat :D |
| 23:16.47 | debron | to save that explanation somewhere so i can study some moment this week |
| 23:16.58 | debron | would be great if i could use my amp with debian too :) |
| 23:17.54 | debron | guys, what DE do you use with debian? |
| 23:18.03 | debron | default's? (which i believe is gnome) |
| 23:18.07 | debron | just curious |
| 23:18.08 | annadane | xfce |
| 23:18.26 | debron | low hardware specs? or personal preference? |
| 23:18.37 | annadane | combination of both |
| 23:18.43 | debron | I see |
| 23:18.55 | debron | what would you choose if u have a OK Computer? |
| 23:19.03 | annadane | probably still xfce |
| 23:19.11 | RoyK | A former colleague of mine insisted on using fvwm2 - I beleive last time I used that was in 1995 :D |
| 23:19.14 | debron | and I say OK , because i do not have any graphic card, just an i3 8100 and ram enough |
| 23:19.18 | debron | and SSD disks |
| 23:19.37 | debron | I remember using awesome hehe |
| 23:19.49 | sponix | RoyK: fvm95 was Awesome !! |
| 23:19.56 | RoyK | this was eight years ago, but I guess he hasn't moved on |
| 23:20.01 | sponix | Huge step up from twm alone |
| 23:20.04 | debron | but its not a DE exactly , right? cant remember exactly, but it was nice , like a grid to organize windows |
| 23:20.50 | sponix | debron: technically Awesome is a Window Manager, that can be used stand alone, or with a DE |
| 23:21.41 | debron | I barely remember, used it for some time in 2014 |
| 23:22.01 | debron | now im with debian default DE , not bad for now |
| 23:22.13 | debron | its gnome, right' |
| 23:22.25 | sponix | I use Plank to launch, task switch, change desktops (as needed), and xfwm4 for my Window Manager |
| 23:22.31 | debron | maybe i would change the default fonts... but idk |
| 23:22.34 | sponix | debron: Yes, pretty sure it defaults to Gnome |
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| 23:25.19 | debron | I kind of miss a taskbar |
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| 23:25.58 | debron | where I can see all windows opened in a single sigh, without pressing (win)key |
| 23:26.41 | debron | top bar seems a bit nonsense, with just a date in the midle, and few important things on the very right hand |
| 23:27.09 | debron | maybe its configurable, i still have to investigate this |
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| 23:28.43 | sponix | debron: Yes, you can do a lot of changes to Gnome |
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