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| 00:16.19 | cuddylier | I have IPs bound to an interface called 'dummy1' but I'm unable to actually get any application to use them as their source IP, all applications externally show their source IP as the IP on the main interface (e.g. eth0). Any ideas why this might be? |
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| 00:17.01 | cuddylier | Inbound traffic to them is fine but any outbound requests e.g. if I use 'wget --bind-address=[IP] ipinfo.io/ip', it returns the primary interface IP rather than the IP I specified. |
| 00:17.52 | cuddylier | Routing table: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qpbkKJgFrG/ |
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| 00:18.08 | cuddylier | The primary IP being 45.xx.xx.82 |
| 00:18.33 | RoyK | is the dummy1 address on the same network as the primary ip? |
| 00:18.50 | cuddylier | What would you say 'network' means in this context? |
| 00:19.17 | cuddylier | The dummy IPs are BGP announced IPs by bird on this same server. The primary IP is assigned to this server via a VLAN so external to this server. |
| 00:19.34 | RoyK | as in if you had a network mask of /24 and the dummy1 address were on 45.x.x.240 or something |
| 00:19.54 | RoyK | so the same IP subnet |
| 00:20.27 | cuddylier | Ah okay, different IP subnets |
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| 00:20.50 | RoyK | hm⦠same vlan? |
| 00:21.23 | cuddylier | This server just has a single network uplink with one vlan yeah. The BGP announced IPs on the server aren't specified in the VLAN of course, just the primary IP /29 |
| 00:21.44 | cuddylier | Nothing outside the server though that would rewrite IPs/block anything. |
| 00:22.05 | cuddylier | if anything was blcoking then I should have no connection with e.g. wget when using --bind-address |
| 00:22.39 | cuddylier | it's the same with all applications, Nginx, wget etc all just show their source IP as the primary bond0 interface IP no matter what I specify in their configs. |
| 00:22.55 | RoyK | I beleive I have seen that happen. Linux just uses the primary for everything outgoing. Anyway - mixing different IP networks on the same L2 network isn't really recommended |
| 00:23.41 | RoyK | also - using a VM or container of sorts would probably separate things a wee bit better |
| 00:23.56 | cuddylier | VM definitely 'fixes' this issue yeah |
| 00:24.01 | cuddylier | I just can't use VMs in this case hmm |
| 00:24.16 | RoyK | not a VM? not docker? not anything? why? |
| 00:24.49 | RoyK | But please consider using different VLANs for different IP subnets - otherwise it'll just be a mess |
| 00:24.54 | cuddylier | Well, I guess it may be possible to just use one large VM but it seems sorta pointless to introduce an overhead for such an issue but if it's really the only solution then maybe I've no choice. |
| 00:25.00 | cuddylier | But the IPs aren't specified on the VLAN end. |
| 00:25.09 | cuddylier | The BGp announced IPs aren't VLAN related at all |
| 00:25.23 | cuddylier | The only IPs in a VLAN is the assigned /29 to bond0 |
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| 00:25.54 | cuddylier | I don't trunk VLANs down to the server either |
| 00:26.11 | RoyK | there isn't much overhead on a kvm vm these days and things like LXC or Docker are about zero on the overhead |
| 00:26.24 | cuddylier | E.g. if I assign multiple subnets on a VLAN and add them to the server's bond0 interface, I can bind to those IPs totally fine, it's only an issue it seems with using a separate interface such as dummy1 |
| 00:26.27 | RoyK | well, do - it's not really hard to configure |
| 00:26.58 | RoyK | or just setup a VM for each role the server plays |
| 00:27.10 | RoyK | isolation isn't only about corona :D |
| 00:27.49 | RoyK | may I ask what the different roles of this server are? |
| 00:27.59 | cuddylier | Its sole purpose is running a Nginx proxy |
| 00:28.39 | cuddylier | So traffic comes from remote web servers to the various IPs inbound then the server uses its primary interface IP to return the connection. |
| 00:28.50 | RoyK | just setup a base system, rather minimal, and then two (or more) kvm VMs. Put them on different VLANs and you have good separation |
| 00:29.18 | RoyK | the overhead really isn't much |
| 00:29.34 | RoyK | modern CPUs just virtualise in the CPU itself |
| 00:30.01 | cuddylier | Yeah, in this case though, I don't need any separation whatsoever, the current setup is perfect except I just need all outbound connections to use a single IP from the ones that are on the dummy1 interface, I just wanted to avoid more complexity if it wasn't necessary. |
| 00:31.55 | RoyK | I beleive there are some iptables hacks to allow changing the source address, but I never managed to make that work (haven't tried in years, though). Just use some VLANs and VMs. It's easy and easy to document so that whoever takes over the machine management later can understand it without digging too far into things. |
| 00:32.05 | RoyK | Sometimes simplicity helps a lot ;) |
| 00:32.33 | RoyK | well, mostly it does unless you really have to make it complicated |
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| 00:50.32 | RoyK | cuddylier: the point is, if you have two addresses on different ip networks and you send out a packet, it will be sent to the default gateway, of which you can only have one (at least in practice). It's possible to fix that with some tricky routing, but really, the best thing is to isolate the two in VMs on different VLANs |
| 00:51.00 | cuddylier | I tried the iptables SNAT option but sadly that seems to not be changing the source IP either. |
| 00:51.07 | cuddylier | Very odd |
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| 00:51.39 | RoyK | cuddylier: not really - what you're doing isn't really recommended |
| 00:52.12 | jennie | can someone please help me installing this usb wifi adpater driver? its asking to sudo make, i tried but giving error, |
| 00:52.31 | RoyK | jennie: what sort of adapter? |
| 00:52.47 | RoyK | lsusb should tell |
| 00:52.49 | jennie | https://www.tendacn.com/en/download/detail-2533.html |
| 00:52.54 | jennie | here is the linux driver |
| 00:53.53 | jennie | https://paste.debian.net/1155673/ instructions to install |
| 00:56.24 | RoyK | jennie: what sort of error are you getting? Please post on http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 00:58.29 | annadane | ralink is generally packaged in debian, i'd probably try to find the debian package for it first before running make from a vendor's website |
| 00:58.56 | RoyK | yeah |
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| 00:59.06 | RoyK | I didn't know that was RALink, though |
| 00:59.13 | jennie | its not connected to internet, i dont have any cable to connect this computer to internet |
| 00:59.28 | jennie | i cant do anything on this debian until i get wifi usd work |
| 00:59.44 | jennie | how do i copy text from terminal? |
| 00:59.50 | jennie | crtl c is not working :/ |
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| 01:03.09 | annadane | i guess the thing to do if you have connection on a separate computer (and you must or you wouldn't be talking to us) is to download the .deb and transfer it via usb stick or something to the non-internet computer and install it that way |
| 01:03.13 | annadane | unless i'm mistaken |
| 01:03.32 | jennie | where is the .deb please tell me |
| 01:03.32 | annadane | RoyK can back me up, or not |
| 01:04.29 | annadane | there's a firmware-ralink package, i'm just not sure yet whether that's what you need |
| 01:04.50 | RoyK | annadane: probably just check the dependencies first - firmware packages usually don't have any, so it might suffice |
| 01:05.00 | RoyK | (that was for you too, jennie ) |
| 01:05.17 | RoyK | I'd start with installing the firmware package |
| 01:05.23 | RoyK | jennie: do you have another computer around? |
| 01:05.26 | annadane | dep: firmware-misc-nonfree - that's the only one |
| 01:05.36 | jennie | this one, the one I am connected to you with |
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| 01:06.01 | jennie | the other one is debian which is not connected, the lsusb command says - RT3072 wireless adapter in Debian |
| 01:06.07 | RoyK | jennie: does it or your troublesome one have a cabled interface? |
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| 01:06.36 | annadane | apt search RT3072 for me returns firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 01:06.50 | jennie | what does it mean |
| 01:06.50 | RoyK | jennie: looks like it's supported https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 01:07.04 | jennie | how do i install by usb transfer? |
| 01:07.12 | annadane | apparently firmware-ralink is just a transitional package so the one you'd want is firmware-misc-nonfree... i think |
| 01:07.27 | RoyK | annadane: thanks |
| 01:07.49 | annadane | btw, general note, please avoid sudo make, you're going to get random stuff in your filesystem that's tedious to remove later |
| 01:07.49 | RoyK | just get firmware-misc-nonfree, then, for the right distro version and dpkg -i <file> |
| 01:07.58 | annadane | also be cautious with random internet instructions |
| 01:08.12 | annadane | that's why #debian is here |
| 01:08.13 | NiDieu | anything wrong with using built in pw manager in FF-esr for a few things? |
| 01:08.15 | RoyK | annadane++ |
| 01:08.48 | annadane | NiDieu, probably not unless you have any specific problems, unless you'd rather not store that in the browser |
| 01:08.54 | annadane | you can always look into, for example, keepass |
| 01:09.03 | annadane | (that's kee-pass, not keep-ass) |
| 01:09.10 | RoyK | (or both) |
| 01:09.11 | jennie | RoyK just get firmware-misc-nonfree, sorry which one? |
| 01:09.36 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/firmware-misc-nonfree/download |
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| 01:10.00 | annadane | (i assume you're on debian 10) |
| 01:10.03 | RoyK | annadane: if it's buster, which I hope it is |
| 01:10.10 | jennie | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-misc-nonfree this one? |
| 01:10.19 | RoyK | cat /etc/os-release should tell |
| 01:10.24 | dvs | jessie? |
| 01:10.29 | RoyK | jennie: check your distro version |
| 01:10.50 | RoyK | the command above or just "lsb_release -a" |
| 01:10.59 | jennie | Debian 10 buster linux GENOM |
| 01:11.07 | annadane | then the one you want is buster |
| 01:11.07 | RoyK | good |
| 01:11.14 | NiDieu | annadane: yes I have keepass and bitwarden, but many VMs |
| 01:11.14 | jennie | which one to download? |
| 01:11.22 | annadane | the one i linked |
| 01:11.27 | RoyK | 03:09 < annadane > https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/firmware-misc-nonfree/download |
| 01:11.32 | annadane | just choose any (relatively local) mirror |
| 01:11.53 | annadane | copy to usb, transfer it to the other machine, and dpkg -i it on that other machine |
| 01:11.58 | NiDieu | they aren't critical logins, but lazy to paste them over to other instances |
| 01:14.09 | annadane | wonders what genom is |
| 01:15.50 | annadane | jennie, the thing with vendor instructions is that yeah while you're getting the instructions from an "official" website as opposed to some shady thing, there's a lot of cheap hacks around linux and people will happily tell you to mix releases or sudo make or this or that; when in doubt, ask us first |
| 01:16.13 | annadane | just because something is on the internet doesn't automatically make it correct, in the case of linux and specifically debian which has a well defined policy of where stuff goes |
| 01:16.56 | annadane | or, the debian wiki (which is hit or miss, but still) |
| 01:17.05 | jennie | dpkg - i firware.deb error |
| 01:17.05 | dpkg | jennie: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:17.15 | jennie | ldconfig not found in PATH or not executable |
| 01:17.22 | jennie | start-stop-demon not found |
| 01:17.33 | RoyK | !frankendebian |
| 01:17.33 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 01:17.36 | jennie | expected programs not found |
| 01:17.43 | annadane | i wonder if that's a su path issue |
| 01:18.02 | RoyK | annadane: sudo -i |
| 01:18.09 | jennie | root's path should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, .... |
| 01:18.23 | dvs | sounds like "buster su" |
| 01:18.36 | annadane | difference between /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin |
| 01:18.44 | RoyK | jennie: erm - what do you have in /usr/local/sbin ? |
| 01:18.44 | annadane | try becoming root via su - or su -l instead |
| 01:18.56 | annadane | !buster su |
| 01:18.56 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 01:19.17 | jennie | RoyK its empty |
| 01:19.24 | RoyK | it should be |
| 01:19.34 | jennie | how to install? whats going on? |
| 01:19.36 | RoyK | unless you have installed something by hand |
| 01:19.55 | jennie | i did make file 1 hour ago on that driver which i downloaded earlier |
| 01:19.57 | RoyK | jennie: sudo -i or su - and then, when you're root, dpkg -i <filename> |
| 01:20.15 | jennie | i am at root@debian terminal |
| 01:20.35 | dvs | and how did you get there? |
| 01:20.36 | RoyK | echo $PATH |
| 01:21.02 | jennie | dvs i did su 20minutes ago |
| 01:21.15 | dvs | and hence buster su ^^^ |
| 01:21.18 | RoyK | jennie: as annadane pointed to above, you don't get root's environment with 'su' alone, you need 'su -' or 'su -l' to get that |
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| 01:22.09 | jennie | echo $path -> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 01:22.43 | RoyK | jennie: what buster has reverted to has been the standard for 30+ years. There were only a version or two where su picked up root's environment without it being speicified before that. |
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| 01:22.55 | RoyK | jennie: was that $path or $PATH? |
| 01:23.04 | jennie | $PATH |
| 01:23.19 | RoyK | so dpkg -i thatfile |
| 01:24.12 | annadane | and then because it's firmware a reboot is likely required before the wifi can work |
| 01:24.19 | RoyK | btw, dpkg should be under /usr/bin so it should be available in the path of a normal user as well (but not with the rights to install or remove anything) |
| 01:24.38 | jennie | ok, i rebooted it, now i am normal user, not root, i did sudo -i with normal user and entered password, and now its saying that user 'deb' is not in the sudoers file, i will be reported |
| 01:24.58 | RoyK | jennie: then use su - |
| 01:25.06 | RoyK | jennie: you can fix sudo later |
| 01:25.13 | annadane | su - <enter> password <enter> |
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| 01:26.33 | jennie | done, no error |
| 01:26.35 | jennie | whats next |
| 01:26.45 | RoyK | ip link list |
| 01:28.24 | jennie | yes, it worked, hang on let me connect to debian wifi and then instal an irc client and come back, thanks so much |
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| 01:35.18 | annadane | (slackware probably would be a legitimate time to sudo make but no one includes slackware in their install instructions so...) |
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| 01:36.43 | annadane | though it's probably on slackbuilds, stuff like firmware |
| 01:39.29 | RoyK | annadane: I gave up slackware some time around 1997 ;) |
| 01:40.01 | RoyK | or gave up *on*, perhaps |
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| 01:40.08 | jennie | hi |
| 01:40.15 | dvs | who dat |
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| 01:40.47 | jennie | its me |
| 01:41.00 | annadane | every distro has its cheerleaders i suppose |
| 01:41.14 | annadane | "i love slackware/debian/ubuntu/mint/gentoo/manjaro/openbsd and i wouldn't ever use anything else" |
| 01:42.38 | RoyK | annadane: hehe |
| 01:42.47 | jennie | how do i copy text from terminal? |
| 01:43.09 | RoyK | annadane: I just use debian and sometimes ubuntu these days (but at work, mostly centos/rhel) |
| 01:43.11 | annadane | there's a package for that but i don't recall what it is |
| 01:43.59 | RoyK | jennie: just mark the text you want to copy and switch to the other window and press the mouse wheel if you have one to paste - or rightclick and choose paste |
| 01:44.19 | RoyK | jennie: but please use a pastebin |
| 01:44.39 | RoyK | jennie: pastebinit is a nice command to pipe data directly from a command to a pastebin |
| 01:44.42 | jennie | http://paste.debian.net/1155685/ |
| 01:44.44 | annadane | oh, yeah, well. lol. i was framing the question internally as "i'm not on x11" |
| 01:44.52 | jennie | cant update, its giving error |
| 01:45.05 | RoyK | jennie: apt update |
| 01:45.26 | annadane | apt update to refresh the package database - sync with the mirrors - apt upgrade or apt dist-upgrade to do actual upgrades |
| 01:45.35 | annadane | apt install to... install stuff... i know |
| 01:45.50 | annadane | !handbook |
| 01:45.50 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 01:45.57 | dvs | can't find the cdrom |
| 01:46.03 | annadane | you may want to take a look at that ^ plus it's new and shiny and updated |
| 01:46.10 | jennie | http://paste.debian.net/1155686/ error |
| 01:46.20 | RoyK | jennie: please understand that while some of us speak very directly, we all have to start somewhere and you have just started. Welcome :) |
| 01:46.32 | RoyK | oh |
| 01:46.43 | RoyK | jennie: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:46.54 | RoyK | jennie: and put a # in front of that cdrom thing |
| 01:47.02 | RoyK | jennie: then try again |
| 01:47.18 | annadane | "in front of" actually meaning "behind", or "before the entry/at the start of the line" |
| 01:47.18 | dvs | then there's only a security line |
| 01:47.26 | annadane | !buster sources.list |
| 01:47.26 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 01:47.39 | annadane | sorry, i guess it doesn't help if all 3 of us are yattering, i'll step away |
| 01:47.49 | jennie | # deb cdrom:[Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 10.4.0 gnome 2020-05-09T11:04]/ buster main |
| 01:47.54 | jennie | Already # there |
| 01:47.56 | annadane | correct |
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| 01:48.17 | jennie | oh there is one more, hang on, i will put # there |
| 01:49.41 | jennie | apt update command saying - All packages are up to date |
| 01:49.41 | apt | that's too long, jennie |
| 01:49.47 | RoyK | annadane: well, sometimes I may not be that precise - English isn't my first language ;) |
| 01:50.23 | jennie | This software system is not working, its not returning any search :( |
| 01:50.29 | RoyK | jennie: then apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade - I don't really know why you should run an upgrade before a dist-upgrade, though |
| 01:50.38 | annadane | "in front of" is the correct expression but english is ambiguous so i just wanted to make it crystal clear |
| 01:51.23 | annadane | jennie, because you, like dvs said, only have a security line in your sources list |
| 01:51.31 | RoyK | annadane: may I ask where you are located or about your origin? Just curious - I'm a language nerd (or omninerd) |
| 01:51.31 | annadane | see what dpkg posted above ^ |
| 01:51.37 | annadane | i am canadian |
| 01:51.41 | RoyK | ok |
| 01:51.47 | RoyK | norwegian |
| 01:51.57 | annadane | and then once you edited that so it's correct, do another apt update |
| 01:52.11 | jennie | http://paste.debian.net/1155688/ my sources.list |
| 01:52.36 | RoyK | erm - there are no sources there |
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| 01:52.54 | annadane | uncomment one of those and then add deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main (and contrib non-free if you want) |
| 01:53.12 | annadane | and optionally deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main (contrib non-free) |
| 01:53.24 | RoyK | annadane: jennie already has a package from non-free so it should be there |
| 01:53.34 | annadane | but that was installed via dpkg -i, no? |
| 01:53.44 | dvs | annadane, buster-updates is already there |
| 01:53.49 | jennie | yes dpkg |
| 01:53.50 | RoyK | yes, but with non-free in apt, it'll get updated |
| 01:54.03 | RoyK | apt is just a dpkg wrapper after all |
| 01:55.30 | annadane | i've crossed the threshold from being helpful to unhelpful so you two can take over :P |
| 01:55.47 | RoyK | better uncomment the line '#deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main' as well (that is, remove the #) |
| 01:56.03 | RoyK | hehe |
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| 01:58.33 | jennie | http://paste.debian.net/1155690/ |
| 01:58.38 | jennie | apt ugprade |
| 01:59.09 | RoyK | did you do an 'apt-get update' first? |
| 01:59.20 | RoyK | or apt update |
| 01:59.24 | RoyK | same thing |
| 01:59.33 | RoyK | just the old commands that hang back in my fingers |
| 01:59.49 | jennie | yes, it saying ' all packages are up to date ' - apt update command |
| 02:00.10 | RoyK | can you first pastebin your current sources.list? |
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| 02:00.46 | jennie | apt -http://paste.debian.net/1155691/ current sources.list |
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| 02:02.03 | RoyK | again |
| 02:02.04 | RoyK | !buster sources.list |
| 02:02.04 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:02.22 | RoyK | just comment out the other lines |
| 02:02.29 | RoyK | and add these |
| 02:02.45 | RoyK | and preferably, add 'contrib' and 'nonfree' at the end of these lines |
| 02:03.06 | jennie | what do you mean by comment out, are they already not commented out? i mean what I understand by commenting out is to put # in the beginning of the lines |
| 02:03.07 | RoyK | so basically, just start from scratch in that file |
| 02:03.39 | dvs | !tell jennie about buster sources.list |
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| 02:03.57 | RoyK | just put a # in front of every line there or remove the line and add these tree lines like I suggested |
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| 02:07.36 | annadane | a # at the start of a line means "this is just text not to be executed", essentially, or a comment (programmers can comment their code to make it more clear to people reading their code) |
| 02:07.41 | annadane | so uncomment means remove the # |
| 02:07.45 | annadane | and comment means add it |
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| 02:08.19 | annadane | <bunch of code here> # i put this code here to solve this problem we were having |
| 02:11.31 | annadane | (though ideally that's not what you'd put, it'd be something more descriptive like "this does this") |
| 02:12.04 | RoyK | annadane: not all parsers support # at the end of lines, though |
| 02:12.41 | annadane | correct |
| 02:12.47 | annadane | but the general principle applies |
| 02:12.48 | RoyK | annadane: some just remove those with # in the front, like "grep -v '^#'" or similar |
| 02:13.48 | RoyK | annadane: I know |
| 02:14.00 | annadane | for like, github, it's fine because that's just reading the code and not executing |
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| 02:16.39 | jennie | so whats difference between terminal uterm and xterm? |
| 02:18.04 | RoyK | xterm is mostly for people that grew up in the early eightees ;) |
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| 02:22.14 | annadane | i just install xfce terminal :P |
| 02:22.17 | annadane | xfce4-terminal |
| 02:22.32 | annadane | i don't actually know the differences between uxterm and xterm offhand |
| 02:22.45 | dvs | I hope she's not rebooting after every package install |
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| 02:34.57 | sponix | dvs: that would be funny in a way |
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| 02:38.39 | RoyK | perhaps she just logged off |
| 02:39.04 | dvs | Possible. But why stop after installing a terminal? Hmmmmm.... |
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| 03:00.57 | annadane | "UXTerm is XTerm with support to Unicode characters" https://askubuntu.com/questions/95435/term-xterm-or-uxterm |
| 03:01.26 | annadane | though unless you're using tmux/screen why would you want to use a terminal with no tabs *shrug* |
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| 03:05.03 | jmcnaught | I learned recently that gnome-terminal lets you select a box (instead of whole lines) if you hold Ctrl. |
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| 03:11.05 | alexrelis[m] | I have a Thinkpad that supports booting from USB, but all the USB ports are 2.0. At the same time, I have an ExpressCard to USB 3.0 adapter, which allows me to utilize USB 3.0 peripherals at their full potential. Does anyone know if it's possible to boot a LiveUSB from the ExpressCard USB 3.0 port? |
| 03:12.36 | annadane | no idea, i imagine so |
| 03:12.45 | annadane | !tias |
| 03:12.45 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 03:31.30 | Jmabsd | When you have a freshly installed Debian, may it have outdated packages repository, so that if you install the nonfree firmware for instance, you would get a *too old* version? |
| 03:32.40 | Jmabsd | As in is there any advantage to "aptitude upgrade; aptitude update; aptitude install -y intel-microcode", *OVER* just doing "aptitude install -y intel-microcode"? |
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| 03:52.12 | nickdaly | Jmabsd: for the second case: if your packages are sufficiently outdated, the locally-known version may no longer exist on the package servers, and you'll get a can't-find-this-package error. Fix it by running the first case :) |
| 03:52.28 | Jmabsd | ic. |
| 03:52.40 | nickdaly | (which I think is exactly the thing you just said, in which case I apologize, I'm very tired.) |
| 03:52.47 | Jmabsd | nickdaly: how do i ensure i get the latest nonfree-firmware version available, is it ever backported or such? |
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| 03:54.47 | nickdaly | Jmabsd: I just search for the packages by name on the website (e.g., https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=emacs), but you can always check the developer information to see whether it knows about any new versions (e.g., https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/emacs) |
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| 05:04.25 | bracham | so i'm not getting much time during the week to work on setting up my new server system, but at least it seems that each time i step back here for a few minutes i figure out something else i'm using on the old (ubuntu server) system that i'll have to set up on the new (debian) system, so that's a plus. although it's starting to feel like a bigger project! |
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| 05:05.41 | sponix | bracham: congrats -- your an admin now |
| 05:05.43 | annadane | bracham, https://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 05:07.19 | RoyK | bracham: I spent some time using ubuntu on servers and I went back to debian as well. I still use ubuntu on laptops and such, though |
| 05:07.20 | RoyK | annadane: ROTFL |
| 05:07.29 | RoyK | annadane: the mouseover there is brilliant |
| 05:08.39 | RoyK | is (in)famously known among friends and colleagues to post xkcd stuff at all times |
| 05:10.45 | bracham | haha they're good comics! it's been a while since i've seen them! |
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| 05:12.29 | RoyK | bracham: well, Randall usually releases three per week, so just go there and click backbackbackbackback :) |
| 05:12.44 | bracham | when i came to linux from windows i started with ubuntu. i found i could fairly easily set up a home server, so i did that with ubuntu. now, as much as ubuntu is easy to use, i'm working on getting away from them as they're getting too much like windows, IMO |
| 05:13.08 | bracham | RoyK, honestly i would, but as it is i already don't have enough hours in the day! |
| 05:13.10 | bracham | lol |
| 05:13.13 | search_social | bracham: same |
| 05:13.27 | search_social | ironically i found the arch linux wiki to be more helpful for installing debian than the debian wiki |
| 05:13.33 | RoyK | started off with slackware 2.1, but that was some time ago |
| 05:14.01 | search_social | and the one extra tip is all kinds of things don't work for no reason (desktop, wirless) unless you upgrade from the included 4 kernel to a 5 kernel |
| 05:14.27 | RoyK | ubuntu is nice for things like laptops, since it's more bleeding edge-ish |
| 05:14.39 | RoyK | debian is nice for servers since it's more focused on stability |
| 05:14.49 | bracham | i'm a simple guy though, i just want something that will work |
| 05:14.58 | search_social | debian has supported all the hardware on my very new laptops .. AFTER using a usb stick to apt install the 5 kernel |
| 05:15.04 | qman__ | ubuntu server used to be a great system, but it got more and more bloated and buggy as time went on |
| 05:15.29 | bracham | i will be happy when i get my debian server all set up and can switch to it! |
| 05:15.30 | nkuttler | i find that running sid is far more stable than running ubuntu though |
| 05:15.32 | qman__ | particularly when they started adding stuff like plymouth, and the switch to systemd didn't go so well |
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| 05:15.48 | sponix | search_social: I take the lazy route and use MX Linux AHS branch |
| 05:16.09 | search_social | i was annoyed at getting several "snaps" installed for no reason - for example gnome-calculator was a "snap" for some reason |
| 05:16.18 | bracham | so with my debian server, should i be looking to upgrade the kernel? |
| 05:16.32 | RoyK | bracham: not if you don't need to |
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| 05:16.37 | qman__ | not generally, no |
| 05:16.42 | bracham | ok, i'll leave it then |
| 05:16.43 | sponix | bracham: normal rule of thumb for kernels is -- if all hardware is working well - leave it alone |
| 05:16.54 | bracham | sponix, that's kinda what i figured |
| 05:17.04 | bracham | thanks guys |
| 05:17.08 | RoyK | if it works, don't fix it! |
| 05:17.11 | search_social | thanks sponix |
| 05:17.20 | bracham | RoyK, exactly! |
| 05:18.25 | RoyK | And then, there's this spurious error in dmesg, should I upgrade? Probably not :) |
| 05:18.36 | bracham | also, i'm kinda trying to take my time with this setup, as i've learned a few things in the meantime so i want to set some things up a whole lot differently |
| 05:18.52 | RoyK | bracham: what sort of setup is this? |
| 05:19.34 | RoyK | 80 spinning drives and a lot of SSDs for cache and a terabyte of ram and 128 CPU cores? or something a wee bit smaller? ;) |
| 05:19.47 | bracham | hahaha! |
| 05:19.56 | bracham | just tiny compared to that |
| 05:20.20 | bracham | i just started with an old desktop that a friend gave me |
| 05:20.55 | bracham | i'm now waiting for a better cpu...going from dualcore to quadcore |
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| 05:22.10 | bracham | apparently the mainboard only recognizes up to 4GB of ram, so that's a bummer, but if i have some spare cash laying around one day and / or i find 8GB of reasonably priced ddr2 ram, i might try it |
| 05:23.03 | RoyK | ddr2 is the type of thing that people throw away |
| 05:23.14 | bracham | it's just a home server for print, scan, media streaming, http, sftp, and more |
| 05:23.28 | bracham | well that's what my board takes |
| 05:23.44 | RoyK | should work, though |
| 05:23.54 | laidback_01 | dang. I have a virtual that will drift time ... about a minute every 24 hours. I have to reboot it daily to keep it in sync. virtual is Debian running on FreeBSD bhyve. I put in the systemd.network NTP=, and they sync at boot now, but is there a way to keep the clock synced the way that ntp-client used to pre-systemd? |
| 05:23.57 | RoyK | and for that use, probably not much need for memory either |
| 05:24.21 | bracham | no i don't seem to ever be running out of memory |
| 05:24.29 | laidback_01 | is there an equivalent in the systemd world which will work like ntpd in the pre-systemd debian? |
| 05:24.37 | bracham | although it would be nice to have more if i run into it and it works |
| 05:24.40 | RoyK | laidback_01: hm - running ntpd or just systemd timesync? |
| 05:25.03 | RoyK | some people prefer chrony |
| 05:25.27 | laidback_01 | well, I'm not used to timesync, but I have to use it because ntpd is not available in 10.4 |
| 05:25.35 | bracham | i looked through the compatibility list on the manufacturer site and max is 4GB. if that's up to date, that sucks. oh well, it's old. |
| 05:25.40 | laidback_01 | only if you are running a server do you want ntpd according to the docs now |
| 05:25.41 | Abrax | the gentoo chan still exists |
| 05:25.46 | RoyK | ntpd is a wee bit touchy for drifting "hwclock", which can be rather lousy on a vm |
| 05:25.53 | Abrax | woops |
| 05:26.11 | RoyK | chrony is the preferred thing on rhel/centos 7 and 8 for that reason |
| 05:26.52 | bracham | anyways, gonna crash. thanks for the chat! |
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| 05:29.06 | laidback_01 | so timedatectl set-ntp 1 is supposed to turn on the NTP service, but I can never get the NTP service to show active |
| 05:38.03 | laidback_01 | okay, digging in further, I was able to sift out that I had installed ntp at a previous date... |
| 05:38.27 | laidback_01 | so... ntp was doing the clock synch, and timedatectl was just not trying. |
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| 06:24.38 | colo_work | hello :) |
| 06:25.46 | colo_work | is there a "tiny" httpd implementation in Debian (like thttpd once was) that can be configured to serve up directory listings and files from only the command line, and that offers proper support for byte-range requests? |
| 06:26.51 | rudi_s | colo_work: You could try `python3 -m http.server` but I'm not sure if it supports byte-range requests |
| 06:27.20 | colo_work | rudi_s, unfortunately, it doesn't :) but thanks for the hint! |
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| 06:28.11 | sponix2ipfw | What is a byte-range request? |
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| 06:30.28 | rudi_s | colo_work: You coul always write a minimal Go program; Go has a powerful built-in webserver; all you need is http.Handle("/", http.FileServer(http.Dir("."))) and http.ListenAndServe(":80", nil) to serve static files from the current directory |
| 06:30.52 | rudi_s | I also haven't tested if it supports byte-ranges but I suppose so |
| 06:30.57 | colo_work | sponix2ipfw, it requests the server to serve only a number of subsets of the resource requested. think, like, the first 100 bytes of a 10GB file, instead of everything in one go. |
| 06:31.12 | colo_work | rudi_s, I think I'll go with https://github.com/shenfeng/tiny-web-server for the moment |
| 06:31.28 | colo_work | but I would expect Go's http server impl. to support that, yes |
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| 06:31.42 | rudi_s | colo_work: A (not-well tested) web-server in C, are you crazy? |
| 06:32.16 | rudi_s | From a person learning C "I am reading Computer Systems: A Programmer's Perspective. It teachers me how to write a tiny web server in C." ... |
| 06:32.34 | colo_work | don't panic; I use it to stream video via a browser browser from host A to host B for a few minutes at a time ;) |
| 06:32.57 | colo_work | (on my LAN) |
| 06:33.00 | rudi_s | Still, why would you use such a software. |
| 06:33.12 | alexrelis[m] | annadane: I've tried but it won't boot. I'm guessing it could be possible if I had another flash drive that went inside the USB 2.0 port that booted to the ExpressCard USB 3.0 port. |
| 06:33.17 | rudi_s | It quite possible has bugs and there are a lot better alternatives out there. |
| 06:33.29 | colo_work | and once I find them, I'll migrate :) |
| 06:33.48 | rudi_s | As I said ... |
| 06:33.57 | rudi_s | Or just install nginx and be done with it |
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| 06:39.24 | laidback_01 | why not just compile thttpd? source is still availabe |
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| 06:42.50 | KOLANICH | Have forked reprepro, but its maintainers don't response. Maybe here I can find someone alive. https://github.com/KOLANICH/reprepro |
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| 06:55.14 | edgars | why i cant use _ in a preseed for username? |
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| 07:01.04 | ws2k3 | this should be a valid cron right?: 0 */12 * * * root test certbot -q renew;service nginx reload |
| 07:02.09 | ratrace | albeit overkill; daily is more than enough |
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| 07:02.48 | ratrace | btw, use full paths or set PATH variable. and what is "test" ? |
| 07:03.15 | ws2k3 | ratrace: im getting error /bin/sh: 1:test: certbot: unexpected operator * Reloading nginx configration ... done. |
| 07:03.29 | ws2k3 | ratrace: im receiving an email from that system |
| 07:04.27 | ratrace | ws2k3: indeed, "certbot" is not an operator for /usr/bin/test |
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| 07:07.00 | ws2k3 | ratrace: hmm maby in misunderstanding. is test not the group? |
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| 07:08.01 | ws2k3 | ratrace: so i just need to remove test? |
| 07:08.15 | ratrace | ws2k3: you don't specify group in a crontab |
| 07:08.42 | ratrace | you need to remove "test" and you need to use full path to certbot, OR set proper PATH env in the tab |
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| 07:11.04 | ratrace | ws2k3: and really, twiced a day is too much. with default 30 or less to expiration, weekly is more than enough, though I prefer daily checks with 15 days to expiration |
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| 07:51.45 | ueb | Hi there |
| 07:52.58 | ueb | I'm checking public IP of my server, and I see that its caller IP is different |
| 07:54.38 | ueb | my win dev machine public ip ends with 154, while Debian server ends with 153 |
| 07:54.44 | ueb | both are on same LAN |
| 07:55.14 | ueb | I cannot understand why they don't have the same public IP |
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| 07:55.38 | ratrace | ueb: and why would they? |
| 07:55.53 | ueb | ratrace because are on same LAN |
| 07:56.24 | ueb | on Debian I checked the public IP with different methods, and I saw different responses ! |
| 07:56.25 | ratrace | that doesn't mean anything. |
| 07:56.49 | ratrace | each machine must have a unique IP address, and you can do NAT between segments/subnets |
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| 07:58.03 | ueb | unique IP address on LAN, but the public "WAN" IP should be the same |
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| 07:58.17 | ueb | from Debian: dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com |
| 07:58.29 | ratrace | ueb: only if there's NAT going on |
| 07:58.46 | ueb | this command responds with 154 (same of win dev) |
| 07:58.56 | ratrace | ueb: now wait, you've introduced a whole different concept, DNS, into the story |
| 07:59.00 | ratrace | !xy |
| 07:59.00 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 07:59.36 | ueb | curl ifconfig.co, responds with 153 |
| 07:59.50 | ueb | dpkg ok, what do you suggest then? |
| 07:59.51 | dpkg | ueb: are you using Windows? |
| 08:00.12 | ratrace | oh this should be fun.... do we tell them.... :) |
| 08:00.15 | ueb | dpkg on dev machine Windows, on prod server Debian |
| 08:00.16 | dpkg | ueb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:00.26 | ratrace | ueb: dpkg is a bot here :) |
| 08:00.39 | ueb | hehehe :) |
| 08:00.52 | ratrace | _anyway_ ... you're mixing DNS and IP addresses into the same problem, so perhaps start at the beginning. HOW are you testing WHAT exactly |
| 08:01.16 | ratrace | "public" (ie. subnets "outside" your LAN/WAN gateway) would see your "public" IP __only__ if there is NAT going on at the WAN gateway |
| 08:01.39 | ueb | ok |
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| 08:02.06 | ratrace | and if you can ping an external subnet, and get your "LAN" IP visible there? then you don't have NAT at all, and you're NOT on a RFC-1918 non-routable IP subnet |
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| 08:02.39 | ueb | the problem raised when I called a remote HTTPS server, which accept calls from Windows and deny calls from Debian |
| 08:03.11 | ueb | so I tried to check how each machine is seen from the outside, checking their caller IP |
| 08:03.12 | ratrace | "called" how _exactly_ |
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| 08:03.47 | ratrace | okay, the word "caller" does not exist in networking, so we're talking about sources and destinations here. what's your source subnet, and what's the destination subnet? |
| 08:04.03 | ratrace | if it's a RFC1918 subnet, you don't have to censor it |
| 08:04.27 | ueb | wget mydomain.com/testcaller.php |
| 08:04.42 | ratrace | what are IPs, not domain names |
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| 08:06.07 | ueb | with that php script I checked the IP of caller machine, with variables HTTP_CLIENT_IP, HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR and REMOTE_ADDR |
| 08:06.51 | Unit193 | whatismyip.com and ifconfig.me are two handy sites for that, yep. |
| 08:07.32 | ratrace | ueb: so what are the IP addresses here? if they're RFC1918 subnets, you don't have to censor and you can post them here |
| 08:08.01 | ueb | no they're not subnets |
| 08:08.41 | ratrace | there are always subnets involved.... |
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| 08:09.16 | ratrace | eg. if your IP is 192.168.1.3, you're in a 192.168.0.0/16 subnet, or a 192.168.1.0/24 subnet, or some other segmentation, but there's _always_ subnetting involved. |
| 08:09.20 | ueb | 2.X.X.153 (Debian) |
| 08:09.28 | ueb | 2.X.X.154 (Windows) |
| 08:09.55 | ueb | 192.168.1.42 (Debian) |
| 08:09.55 | ratrace | alright, so 2.x.x.x is a routable IP. oyu probably don't have any NAT going on at the WAN gateway |
| 08:10.02 | ueb | 192.168.1.109 (Windows) |
| 08:10.51 | ratrace | 192.168.1.* are non-routable IPs, so you'll need NAT going on the WAN gateway.... so which IP address you get, when you "call" from your Debian box, to a public site? |
| 08:11.54 | ratrace | by "public" I mean something "outside" of your LAN, something not in the 192.168.0.0/16 subnet |
| 08:11.56 | ueb | dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com (replies with 2.X.X.154) |
| 08:12.07 | ratrace | no, don't use dig. leave DNS aside for now. |
| 08:12.21 | ueb | curl ifconfig.co (replies with 2.X.X.153) |
| 08:12.36 | ratrace | from which box? |
| 08:12.44 | ueb | from Debian |
| 08:12.56 | ratrace | the one that has 2.x.x.153 public IP on its network interface? |
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| 08:13.34 | ueb | here /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:13.43 | ratrace | ueb: `ip a` and pastebin that please |
| 08:13.45 | ratrace | !pastebin |
| 08:13.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:14.04 | ratrace | you can censor your 2.x.x.153 address .... |
| 08:17.20 | ueb | ratrace http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c3e7abcf/ |
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| 08:18.53 | ratrace | ueb: okay, so that box is only in the 192.168.0.0 subnets. there's probably NAT going on if it translates to 2.x.x.153 public IP .... so far so good. so what exactly is the problem here? |
| 08:19.51 | ratrace | ueb: so maybe your network setup is such that you have multiple public IPs in the 2.x.x.y subnet, and your router is NAT'ing individual public IPs to individual LAN IPs |
| 08:20.53 | ratrace | you'll have to query the windows box for same data as `ip a` on Debian (I think it's `ipconfig` in a windows terminal) , I don't know windows networking really, and see if behaves the same: has only 192.168.x.x address(es) assigned. |
| 08:21.09 | ratrace | then you check your router config/admin-panel/whatever and see how NAT'ing is set up |
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| 08:21.34 | ratrace | and this not being a Debian issue at all, you'll have more luck asking in #networking, if you need further help with this. |
| 08:22.11 | ueb | ratrace ok, thank you very much |
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| 09:05.50 | xvilka | HI! what is the actual address of the Bugzilla? https://bugs.debian.org redirects to the useless (in my case) page? |
| 09:06.35 | xvilka | where is the actual report form? Did it move to GitLab (Salsa)? What project then? If I encountered a bug in DBus? |
| 09:06.47 | enyc | xvilka: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ actually lets you select bugs and so on |
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| 09:07.22 | enyc | xvilka: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug= plus bug number..... |
| 09:07.58 | enyc | xvilka: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting .... |
| 09:08.05 | xvilka | enyc: no, I need to report a new one |
| 09:08.10 | enyc | xvilka: We strongly recommend that you report bugs in Debian using the reportbug program. |
| 09:08.28 | enyc | xvilka: bugs.debian.org clearly redirectl to page that clearly links to how to report bugs |
| 09:09.10 | xvilka | Too much information. I just need a bugzilla page, already have experience to deal with this without too much text |
| 09:09.23 | enyc | xvilka: use reportbug program in simple/basic mode then |
| 09:09.24 | xvilka | reportbug is complicated because this bug occured inside VM |
| 09:09.40 | xvilka | So I prefer to avoid it |
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| 09:11.04 | ratrace | !bts |
| 09:11.04 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 09:11.11 | ratrace | debian doesn't have Bugzilla |
| 09:11.34 | xvilka | Yeah, quite sad. And while you have Salsa you seem not to use it. |
| 09:11.47 | xvilka | You should move eventually to something more user-friendly |
| 09:12.32 | ratrace | which ain't gitlab |
| 09:12.49 | enyc | xvilka: i don't think reportbug is that complex myself |
| 09:13.01 | ratrace | infact, I like Bugzilla very much. it also supports hooks and email based APIs so hardliners can still manage bugs from their mutts :) |
| 09:13.01 | enyc | colects some key information |
| 09:13.15 | xvilka | ratrace: Bugzilla is fine. BTS is not |
| 09:13.31 | ratrace | yup |
| 09:13.37 | enyc | xvilka: become a debian developer an make the bridge/update ? |
| 09:14.07 | ratrace | you can't without committee involving, voting and entire dev community deciding, which they won't. |
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| 09:14.40 | enyc | make a frontend/interface? |
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| 09:15.46 | xvilka | enyc: thanks, I have a bunch of my own FOSS projects to care about. |
| 09:16.08 | xvilka | I will just send it via email then later, if will not forget |
| 09:18.48 | xvilka | Thanks for the help anyway! |
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| 09:26.02 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 09:26.42 | Azrael_- | i'm running debian 9 with full system encryption. if i want to upgrade the whole system, do i have to look out for caveats or can i just start the upgrade with apt? |
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| 09:38.03 | eblip | hey i think i have chrome version 83 installed ..how do i install chrome version 79 wihout losing all my favorites etc |
| 09:39.41 | eblip | i neeed to check that that version is first available i think |
| 09:39.44 | eblip | somehow |
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| 09:41.54 | eblip | i tried apt-cache madison google-chrome-stable and it only has one version |
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| 09:54.25 | martinus__ | apt question : I want to pin a package from a third party repository (gitlab-ce), and force the admin to do something specific when it's time to upgrade. I thought about pinning the package but then I don't see how I can use the '-t' option to force apt to upgrade |
| 09:54.25 | apt | ACTION grabs : by arms and slams them into a chair and starts questioning : about I want to pin a package from a third party repository (gitlab-ce), and force the admin to do something specific when it's time to upgrade. I thought about pinning the package but then I don't see how I can use the '-t' option to force apt to upgrade. |
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| 09:55.50 | martinus__ | how would you do that ? |
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| 10:06.05 | eblip | ok i have found a version 79 of google chrome...if i uninstall version 83 and install version 79,..when i update it will resort back to 83 ..how do i stop this |
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| 10:23.10 | ksk | eblip: why would you want to install an older version of the browser? |
| 10:23.38 | eblip | ksk becasue some programs i need to run wont work on this new version |
| 10:23.41 | ksk | also, chrome is third party, not part of Debian. You would need to redirect your support request to google please. |
| 10:24.00 | TuxCrazy | are other distros based on Debian as secure as Debian? |
| 10:24.10 | ksk | !based on Debian |
| 10:24.10 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:24.20 | ksk | TuxCrazy: We cannot (do not want to) tell. |
| 10:24.27 | TuxCrazy | there are so many lesser known distros based on Debian. |
| 10:25.03 | TuxCrazy | how can I get packages of newer versions on Debian stable? |
| 10:25.05 | ksk | I personally would put some thinking into the "how does this forks dev team look like compared to debian, debian-security"-question |
| 10:25.14 | ksk | !backports |
| 10:25.15 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 10:25.43 | TuxCrazy | for example, if I need a newer or the latest version of LibreOffice and I am using Debian stable. |
| 10:26.04 | ksk | TuxCrazy: In general: I would not get newer version of XY just because (shiny new things syndrom, I dont recall the bots trigger for that, right now..) |
| 10:26.17 | EdePopede | !sns |
| 10:26.17 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 10:26.46 | eblip | ksk ..we use debian for business systems, programming, lots of stuff..debain should not struggle to handle 3rd party stuff...most companies require them to some extent |
| 10:26.48 | ksk | ,v libreoffice |
| 10:26.49 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u13; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-security: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4; buster: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6; buster-backports: 1:6.4.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:6.4.5-1; experimental: 1:7.0.0~rc1-1; sid: 1:7.0.0~rc1-5 |
| 10:27.06 | eblip | eg google-chrome, selenium |
| 10:27.28 | ksk | TuxCrazy: you could get a slightly newer version of that from buster-backports. |
| 10:27.30 | EdePopede | still not so clear with programs working on data. new feature included, new format, the version on stable may not know it. |
| 10:27.37 | TuxCrazy | ksk, ok |
| 10:28.26 | ksk | TuxCrazy: If you _really_ need version XY you could always look into getting it from upstream (as in: Does libreoffice supply debian packages/mirrors, or an installer for linux?) |
| 10:28.43 | TuxCrazy | are packages from debian backports as reliable and secure as those from debian stable? |
| 10:28.45 | ksk | You are leaving the Debian ecosystem at that point of coure. |
| 10:29.22 | ksk | eh, officially I think not. |
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| 10:30.04 | TuxCrazy | could some lesser know distros be stealing information from users? or secretly tracking their activity? |
| 10:30.16 | TuxCrazy | lesser known distros. |
| 10:30.30 | ksk | sure, they could. Debian could also do that of course. Very theoretical question :P |
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| 10:32.38 | ksk | TuxCrazy: see the first paragraph on https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 10:33.30 | TuxCrazy | ksk, ok |
| 10:35.17 | TuxCrazy | would you recommend Debian for an absolute newbie to linux? |
| 10:35.31 | TuxCrazy | for an average non technical end user. |
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| 10:56.36 | ksk | TuxCrazy: Yeah, sure. take a look at the |
| 10:56.37 | ksk | !handbook |
| 10:56.37 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 10:56.58 | TuxCrazy | ksk, thanks a lot. |
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| 11:21.06 | blurkis | is there flutter/dart packages for debian? searched the archive but could not find it..? |
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| 11:48.14 | ksk | nlpqda: can you share details? paste.debian.org if you have a network-enabled system running (use for example pastebinit (install via apt)) |
| 11:48.22 | ksk | !paste |
| 11:48.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:48.32 | ksk | (its .net, not org) |
| 11:49.29 | ksk | blurkis: "apt-cache search flutter" indicates no. |
| 11:49.52 | ksk | get it from upstream, they have linux releases. |
| 11:50.38 | unborn | blurkis: you can ask b0t for this by typing this: /msg judd v flutter |
| 11:51.06 | unborn | basically /msg judd v software-you-looking-for |
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| 12:25.02 | ZAJDAN | when I make new record in /etc/resolv.con ...how can I reload it? |
| 12:26.04 | ksk | no need to do so, gethostbyname() is like on call doing that. |
| 12:26.26 | ksk | If you are running a browser, try closing the tab and open a new one ;) |
| 12:26.48 | ksk | (they use their own caching mechanisms on top as far as I know) |
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| 13:05.12 | ws2k3 | so im having a kind of weird thing.when i run dig ns mydomain +short returns emty while on some other domains it works just fine |
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| 13:12.57 | ksk | eeh, dns. also when you do "dig @$SOA"? |
| 13:13.28 | ws2k3 | ksk: what exacly do you mean with @$SOA ? |
| 13:13.44 | ksk | dig ns mydomain +short @your-primary-dns-ip-here |
| 13:13.59 | ws2k3 | ksk: returns emty |
| 13:14.38 | ksk | giev domain? |
| 13:14.51 | ws2k3 | ksk: no domain is in production just fine |
| 13:15.06 | ws2k3 | domain works in the broser i can ping it etc that looks fine |
| 13:15.08 | greycat | I believe ksk is trying to say, "point dig directly @ the authoritative server for this domain" |
| 13:15.57 | ws2k3 | greycat: ksk did that. still emty |
| 13:16.06 | greycat | ws2k3: it is impossible to help you if you do not reveal enough information for people to duplicate your results. We would need to know the actual domain name you are resolving. If it's private (inside some corporate firewall where we can't see it), we can't help. |
| 13:16.27 | ksk | I would then think you dont have NS records for that domain. I was asking for the domain so I could check myself if I found anything odd about it. |
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| 13:17.42 | ksk | The wikipedia entries on "SOA_record" and "NS_Resource_Record" seem on point btw, should you need further guidance. |
| 13:18.03 | greycat | There's also a #dns channel which is quite good. |
| 13:18.54 | ws2k3 | try bla.google.com i got the same issue there |
| 13:19.05 | ws2k3 | dig ns bla.google.com @1.1.1.1 +short returns emty |
| 13:19.17 | ksk | there are no NS records for subdomains. |
| 13:19.20 | greycat | I too get no results for bla.google.com, but I didn't *expect* any. |
| 13:19.27 | greycat | Your question is very confusing. |
| 13:19.40 | ws2k3 | greycat: how is my question confusing |
| 13:19.46 | ksk | or, I dont know, there might be entries, but you dont do that in general so to say. |
| 13:19.48 | greycat | Why did you think there would be an NS record for "bla.google.com"? |
| 13:20.16 | ws2k3 | greycat: i would expect to get back nameservers for that domain |
| 13:20.34 | greycat | There is no such domain as far as I know. Why did you think there was one? It sounds like something you just MADE UP. |
| 13:20.50 | ws2k3 | greycat: yes i did made it up. cause it shows the same behavior as my domain does |
| 13:20.55 | greycat | I also get no name servers for sdfhs.google.com |
| 13:20.59 | greycat | SHOCK HORROR |
| 13:21.14 | ws2k3 | greycat: jup same issue |
| 13:21.14 | greycat | Made-up domains don't have NS record?!? |
| 13:21.16 | ksk | ws2k3: There is no need for this, when you do not want the NS entry for 1.example.com to differ from example.com |
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| 13:22.04 | ksk | (and spoiler: have fun configuring that in bind!) |
| 13:22.05 | deadrom | hi |
| 13:22.05 | greycat | ws2k3: at this point we are trying to figure out what MISUNDERSTANDING you are holding on to that is preventing you from seeing reality |
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| 13:22.44 | greycat | Did you think, perhaps, that if you do an NS query for foo.bar.com and get no-such-thing as an answer, it will recurse and try bar.com instead? |
| 13:22.50 | ws2k3 | let me explain a bit more. we use dig ns domain @1.1.1.1 +short to check if we manage the dns for that domain. cause if so. then ican renew its ssl certificate by dns |
| 13:22.58 | greycat | WHAT IS THE DOMAIN |
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| 13:23.38 | ksk | deadrom: hello there. |
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| 13:24.19 | ws2k3 | greycat: can i pm it to you if you realy want to know. irc is getting logged and i would like to not be associated with the domain to much |
| 13:24.26 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:24.55 | ws2k3 | greycat: i think the domain is not relevant to the issue cause bla.google.com is showing the same behavior |
| 13:25.06 | ksk | Do you read what I write at all? |
| 13:25.11 | greycat | I'm going to take that as a "yes" on the "I thought dig NS bla.google.com would be equivalent to dig NS google.com" theory. |
| 13:25.15 | greycat | It's not. |
| 13:25.37 | deadrom | I run a 6 drive NAS, and it's a bit noisy and draws power all the time, drives need to wake up when I need it etc. So my plan: move RAID server to attic, build a small system with only one 16TB drive and cron that machine to WoL the raid server as a backup facility and rsync to it, then shut it down. voila, silence and finally proper backup. any |
| 13:25.37 | ws2k3 | greycat: yes I thought dig NS bla.google.com would be equivalent to dig NS google.co |
| 13:25.37 | deadrom | tripwire/nono I'm missing? |
| 13:26.36 | ksk | deadrom: why not just move the NAS to attic? :D |
| 13:27.16 | ws2k3 | currently i use dig ns domain @1.1.1.1 +short to check if we manage the dns for that domain. i think i have to find another way |
| 13:27.17 | deadrom | ksk: attic to hot in summer for 24/7 ops. night temps are ok for backup. |
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| 13:28.15 | ksk | deadrom: you can still cut out the small system and let your computer like wakeup at $date and run this wakeup and backup from there? I dont see the point of addind a second server here. |
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| 13:29.08 | ksk | ws2k3: what does "manage the dns" mean? its not 100% portable to dns ressource records. |
| 13:29.37 | deadrom | ksk: "cut out the small system and let your computer like wakeup at $date and run this wakeup and backup from there" <- sorry, what? |
| 13:29.42 | ws2k3 | ksk: we have alot of domain. if we manage the dns for the domain. that means we can renew it by dns |
| 13:29.49 | ws2k3 | renew an ssl cert by dns* |
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| 13:31.17 | ksk | either do that on a per server basis (hello letsencrypt, certbot, traefik, whatnot) - or do it centralized. for the latter do rely on a list of domains you own, which is stored in a central place in your logic, do not query dns to find domains you own!? |
| 13:31.47 | ksk | deadrom: Why do you need the "small Server"? What are you really trying to do? |
| 13:32.34 | ksk | Why cant you just move the NAS into the basement and keep copying backups from your personal computer to it, just like you do now? (ignoring the fact that it is, in fact, in a different location) |
| 13:32.48 | ksk | eh, basement, attic, whatever :P |
| 13:32.49 | deadrom | ksk: 1disk-miniserver is supposed to sit in living room and be a media center while at it. so silent operation is key. 2nd server: backup. |
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| 13:33.27 | ksk | Ah okay, you did not mention a mediacenter until now ;) |
| 13:34.23 | deadrom | ksk, 2nd machine does not exist yet. that riad server sits in my living room and is quite a bit loud. I don't have a basement, only attic. the requirements are somewhat fixed, there is no good place other than the attic for a noisy machine. |
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| 13:35.22 | deadrom | and I don't want the 6 drives server to be on 24/7 for power and since the attic heats up in the day. |
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| 13:39.12 | Fox | deadrom: there's always room for a server !! https://jonnyh.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/server-room-crapper1.jpg |
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| 13:44.24 | ksk | dpkg: server room is: https://jonnyh.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/server-room-crapper1.jpg |
| 13:44.24 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ksk |
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| 13:55.29 | deadrom | Fox, I *did* think about a weather proof housing on the balcony, but nah |
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| 14:02.38 | nlpqda | ksk: I wsa AFK, sorry for the delay of my response |
| 14:03.04 | DJDan | What is the command in Debian to change the default sshd port? |
| 14:03.15 | nlpqda | this is a copy of all thing was trying https://pastebin.com/aT1jduXb |
| 14:03.18 | greycat | You edit the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and then restart the ssh service. |
| 14:03.39 | DJDan | greycat: is there a way to programabbly change that thru bash |
| 14:03.42 | greycat | No. |
| 14:03.52 | nlpqda | the faulty dirve is /dev/sdb |
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| 14:04.42 | DJDan | greycat: how do i restart the service |
| 14:04.47 | nlpqda | Although I'm not sure if I may call it faulty! since it doesn't show any physical issues. |
| 14:05.02 | greycat | systemctl restart ssh |
| 14:05.12 | greycat | or, I think service ssh restart will also work |
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| 14:12.56 | DJDan | greycat: hmm osx now complains about rsa host key Host key verification failed. |
| 14:13.27 | unborn | :D |
| 14:13.45 | DJDan | oh finally yay |
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| 14:16.30 | unborn | DJDan: is your key having correct permissions on your system? is it deployed correctly? normally you should not have had any issues.. it should just work.. |
| 14:17.02 | greycat | I'm guessing "oh finally yay" means "I found my mistake and fixed it" |
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| 14:22.13 | DJDan | yeah all good now thanks |
| 14:22.23 | unborn | :) |
| 14:22.51 | DJDan | just tweaking my website security. do most people block all icmp traffic to there webhosting vps |
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| 14:23.00 | greycat | no |
| 14:23.14 | DJDan | like is it better security wise to tho |
| 14:23.19 | greycat | no |
| 14:23.35 | DJDan | but people can attack a website/portscan etc.. by pinging |
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| 14:23.42 | greycat | you're delusional |
| 14:24.03 | DJDan | how am i delusional there are icmp based attacks |
| 14:24.22 | unborn | DJDan: you are not entirely wrong but you are wrong.. why extra work (from hackers view) |
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| 14:25.02 | deadrom | DJDan : your system has to be up against an attack whether it is visible or not. hiding from ping sweeps simply is security by obscurity. |
| 14:25.03 | DJDan | because when i view my icmp traffic people are trying to udp find/attack sip and other stuff |
| 14:25.08 | unborn | DJDan: what icmp attacts could do to you or your platform in those days... think about it |
| 14:25.34 | themill | has fond memories of the ping of death |
| 14:25.58 | DJDan | i have notice alot of activity when tcpdump icmp looking for various udp ports and sip etc... |
| 14:26.20 | unborn | DJDan: and? |
| 14:26.52 | greycat | If you have a *web server*, that means people know you exist, so why would they need to probe for your existence with ping? |
| 14:27.03 | deadrom | DJDan, your system is on the internet, people scan it. |
| 14:27.22 | DJDan | well you could have various other services. does portscanners use icmp |
| 14:27.57 | unborn | DJDan: they will scan it for sake to see how capable your services are and what you can offer as well.. its normal |
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| 14:28.29 | DJDan | they scan it because they want to attack it. that is why people search globally for stuff like sip |
| 14:28.30 | greycat | ... |
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| 14:28.41 | greycat | The best thing I can say at this point is, at least you switched from completely wrong statements, to clueless questions. Questions are an improvement. |
| 14:28.44 | unborn | DJDan: not true... |
| 14:28.51 | deadrom | DJDan: if I look for a target of opportunity I'd rather see what kind of service my tool set is able to attack and scan for those. |
| 14:29.04 | greycat | Oh, whoops, you switched back to absolutely wrong statements again. |
| 14:29.20 | avu | http://shouldiblockicmp.com/ |
| 14:29.27 | deadrom | greycat: your attitude is helping nobody |
| 14:29.39 | greycat | Fuck you too. |
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| 14:29.47 | unborn | DJDan: if I would scan anything I would do for my knowledge as novadays everything |
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| 14:29.57 | deadrom | greycat and fuck you double, you miserable asshole |
| 14:30.05 | greycat | !icmp |
| 14:30.05 | dpkg | i heard icmp is Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass |
| 14:30.11 | deadrom | I remember when you were helpful |
| 14:30.13 | unborn | is filtered.. no one scans you for attack that's insane |
| 14:30.27 | DJDan | i asked weither i should block icmp cause someone mentioned he did on his vps and i thought it was stupid cause then you couldnt check if your server is actually active when your webserver is down |
| 14:30.31 | greycat | dpkg, icmp is also <https://shouldiblockicmp.com/> |
| 14:30.32 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 14:30.54 | nlpqda | Do you know whta is "nc -l -p [ServerPort] -vvv" ..... "nc [TargetAddress] [TargetPort] -vvv"? why ubuntu NC has no -v or -e? |
| 14:31.11 | greycat | Crap. It's http only, isn't it. |
| 14:31.19 | greycat | dpkg, icmp =~ s/https/http/ |
| 14:31.19 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:31.27 | avu | nlpqda: there are different netcat implementations |
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| 14:31.49 | avu | nlpqda: which one Ubuntu supplies by default is something you can ask there, this is #debian and we have no idea! |
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| 14:32.13 | nlpqda | oops I meant to type into ##linux |
| 14:32.17 | nlpqda | thanks avu |
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| 14:32.51 | unborn | DJDan: i asked weither i should block icmp cause someone mentioned he did on his vps - goes same with me as I am diabetes type 1 shall I stop sugar rise and potatoes? - you can see, it all depends on your personal settings - you should not ask here.. do your research about this.. |
| 14:33.08 | themill | nlpqda: btw "readlink -f /bin/nc" |
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| 14:34.27 | unborn | DJDan: do as you pleased, you are in control of your own thingy.. also this should not be even asked here as its off topic.. btw as I am saying |
| 14:34.37 | unborn | - no noise :) |
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| 14:35.39 | unborn | greycat: you okay there? |
| 14:36.16 | greycat | Yes. |
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| 14:37.10 | greycat | Saw that the web page in question was http, switched it to https in my browser, the window didn't change, pasted the https URL into the factoid, and *then* my window gave a timeout error. |
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| 14:39.12 | unborn | same here.. also js blocked then and meh, time outed as well on my end |
| 14:39.29 | greycat | even though some people think I'm "not helpful" |
| 14:39.49 | greycat | funny how the ones who say that aren't helping anyone, either |
| 14:40.13 | beardy | !helpful |
| 14:40.54 | beardy | !hurry |
| 14:40.54 | dpkg | it has been said that hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on. |
| 14:40.57 | unborn | anyway, man is own god, he can control whatever he wants out there.. let it (him) be in its own world.. how would you speak to me in slovak when you cannot... |
| 14:42.00 | beardy | That used to be more helpful. |
| 14:42.04 | unborn | - I can say and claim - I am not help here.. possibly it will give me an ban, been there and got used to it. |
| 14:43.04 | unborn | anyway folks lets be helpful and lets focus on issues with debian again :) |
| 14:43.08 | deadrom | greycat: I've known herer you for 10 years or more and while your lectures were always harshly dealt they were worth listening to because one actually learned from it. these days you lash out at people at the slightest irritiation as if they pissed on your shirt. look at the above right now. and then at a small hint that your aggresion is |
| 14:43.09 | deadrom | unnecessary you return "fuck you". |
| 14:43.24 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:43.29 | deadrom | good |
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| 14:45.24 | unborn | deadrom: hes been harsh and he had changed.. I can say it from person by my self. - and his advice touch seen it be harsh, he actually helped me. |
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| 14:47.41 | deadrom | unborn: I've been coming here since the the early 2000s and observe the change was for the worse. the above pattern I observed a lot lately. |
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| 14:51.15 | deadrom | on-topic: how to prevent bit rot? I thought: if a file system would hashsum files while writing and enter that data in the file system's metadata one could scrub at file system level: hash the file: is the hash the same? no? has mtime changed? yes? all good, probably. if it diffres, the kernel says "I did not write to that file at al", but yet the |
| 14:51.16 | deadrom | hash changed -> possible rot. haven't fully fleshed out the idea yet. |
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| 14:51.39 | deadrom | but maybe I'm beind the cutting edge and there are FS that do that already? |
| 14:51.51 | unborn | deadrom: same here.. I've been banned most of the times or perhaps muted but since forced alone I learned a lot also everyone should be realising that this channel is nice and good but official debian channel is somewhere else.. I can agree with you but I would stand in defence of greycat - that guy showed me my potential regards the bash and linux it self. I still think even same observation on both of out ends - some respect is need to paid on... he |
| 14:51.51 | unborn | is dealing with others by his own way and its good. |
| 14:53.46 | deadrom | we can discuss this to no end but I see no gain in it. It's just that setting people on ignore disrupts the communication flow so I try to avoid that. this is no official debian channel anymore? |
| 14:54.27 | unborn | often I was here with idiotic questions - how often someone can be annoyed by them? - we are all humans - end of the day I love greycat even his uglyness in a same way I love you and my beloved code or our os. |
| 14:55.34 | deadrom | we have attitude free, stone cold logic templates for this, like "how to ask smart questions". there is no need to be ugly. |
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| 14:55.56 | unborn | well this is in debian distro setup but there is an channel on irc where - meh lamy saying this they treat you differently |
| 14:56.22 | deadrom | pointing out people being annoying results in either of two: they go away, rebuffed by the scolding or they introspect and better. |
| 14:56.48 | deadrom | differently worse or better? |
| 14:57.03 | greycat | Since there was actually a question asked, I will try to answer it. "does portscanners use icmp" -- No, a port scan cannot use ICMP, because ICMP does not use or have any concept of port numbers. |
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| 14:57.18 | unborn | deadrom: for me I would ask as much as I need within my brain capability - as english is not mi 1st language I often was sounding here very offending - and tush been banned but its okay |
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| 14:59.37 | deadrom | unborn: if your native language is listed in DeepL my advice is to use their translations. the quality of their translations exceeds google/translate quite a bit, even for complex structures. |
| 15:00.30 | unborn | deadrom: I found this one https://www.debian.org/support#irc however as mentioned here should be total source: The hostname irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net. Most Debian IRC channels are on the OFTC IRC network: #alioth: Alioth. |
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| 15:01.06 | greycat | unicorn:~$ host irc.debian.org |
| 15:01.06 | greycat | irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net. |
| 15:02.32 | unborn | deadrom: I kindly passed issue of my own language issues, now I speak fluently 8 languages as human so - thank you for advice.. I do not use google as well since 2007.. |
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| 15:03.57 | unborn | oftc - never had ban there and was able to talk here while.. things got broken here... just my note |
| 15:04.17 | deadrom | unborn: qucik hop on #debian-offtopic? |
| 15:04.22 | deadrom | *quick |
| 15:04.51 | unborn | deadrom: joined for short time.. there is a lot of rubbish |
| 15:04.56 | unborn | you know |
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| 15:05.10 | beardy | However, people doing portscans (portscanners) very often sends an ICMP Echo request (ping), and awaits a reply. If no reply, some of them skips doing a scan of TCP and UDP ports. |
| 15:07.03 | greycat | In the best possible case, all that would do is avoid a little bit of extra traffic from the most stupid wannabe hax0rs. Any competent person would not be deterred by this. |
| 15:07.20 | beardy | Indeed. |
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| 15:27.14 | dob1 | the default order of ls -la is by name, right? |
| 15:28.07 | annadane | seems to be alphabetical |
| 15:28.23 | dob1 | ok and why on mc that is order by name is not the same order as ls -la ? |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | The results shown by ls are sorted by LC_COLLATE order. |
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| 15:28.51 | greycat | I have no idea what mc does. |
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| 15:29.26 | dob1 | it's a bit confusing |
| 15:29.49 | unborn | dob1: mc should reveal or organise it by last time edited.. not sure about it but every time I do edits, file goes on top.. |
| 15:29.53 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 15:30.00 | greycat | LC_COLLATE is usually not set, so it'll use the value of LANG most of the time |
| 15:30.01 | b1ack0p | i am having slow boot issue |
| 15:30.18 | dob1 | unborn, on panel order by I have name as order |
| 15:30.27 | b1ack0p | it delays in 2 places as i noticed and took screenshots |
| 15:30.38 | b1ack0p | image1 : https://imgur.com/a/jHbpL8Z |
| 15:30.46 | greycat | mc has its own internal sort options? Then it probably does whatever the programmer of mc thought would be best. |
| 15:30.48 | b1ack0p | image2: https://imgur.com/a/WqHFxmx |
| 15:31.08 | unborn | dob1: by default it should be by panel.. I do not mess with settings on order (such name as order) |
| 15:31.11 | b1ack0p | in image 1 as seen, it writes same lines about 20-30 times then continues " Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done " |
| 15:31.33 | b1ack0p | in image 2 it holds and counts the seconds until it finishes at " A start job is running for /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxx (16s / 1min 30s) |
| 15:31.45 | b1ack0p | what can i do about these? |
| 15:32.31 | b1ack0p | sorry for the bad images. they look normal in image viewer but after uploaded to imgur they changed position |
| 15:33.29 | b1ack0p | i didnt notice on my earlier debian installs.. i noticed them after my fresh install yesterday |
| 15:33.42 | b1ack0p | what are they about i dont know. |
| 15:34.08 | dob1 | but ls -la doesn't distinguish case, is this the point maybe |
| 15:34.11 | b1ack0p | i want to boot and shutdown debian quick as before |
| 15:34.13 | unborn | b1ack0p: nothing will change on igmur - its raw as you would post it.. I would have look at the script which would take that much time ( I did not look at your images - please note ) however if you not need those scripts remove them.. if you are not sure what they are doing - refer to your script creator.. |
| 15:34.19 | greycat | dob1: depends on your locale. |
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| 15:34.31 | unborn | for help - its out of scope of debian. |
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| 15:34.43 | b1ack0p | wat? |
| 15:34.45 | greycat | In the C locale, ls will use traditional ASCII ordering. In the en_US locale, for example, it will treat "A" and "a" the same. |
| 15:34.56 | intx | how to find a debian mirror with testing sources? |
| 15:35.00 | greycat | Because this is how locales (LC_COLLATE) work. |
| 15:35.10 | intx | I tried like 10 different ones none of them work |
| 15:35.16 | b1ack0p | where is /scripts/local-block directory? |
| 15:35.17 | greycat | !testing sources.list |
| 15:35.17 | dpkg | Using "testing" instead of the current codename (e.g. bullseye) in your sources.list isn't as bad as using stable in your sources.list; you will just seamlessly continue to track the "testing" distribution following a release. Note that for a few months just after a release, testing can be a pretty bumpy ride... perhaps running stable would be a better idea? See also <stable sources.list>, <bullseye sources.list>. |
| 15:35.31 | unborn | dob1: wen you log into system you should be fine to see it with default setting in mc |
| 15:35.35 | beardy | dob1: The difference is that mc's default is Name, and case sensitive. Uncheck "Case sensitive" and it will sort as ls's default. |
| 15:35.38 | greycat | well, that was a disappointing factoid |
| 15:35.55 | annadane | did you try deb.debian.org? |
| 15:35.58 | annadane | !bullseye sources.list |
| 15:35.59 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main". Note that bullseye does not yet have security support and a <moving target>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-security>, or <bullseye-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:36.01 | intx | yes |
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| 15:36.22 | beardy | dob1: In the panel's "Sort order ..." |
| 15:36.24 | greycat | Are you behind a firewall? Either corporate or fascist-government? |
| 15:36.28 | intx | no |
| 15:36.46 | unborn | dob1: beardy has correct answer |
| 15:37.11 | b1ack0p | it might possible happened after running this: apt -t buster-backports install tlp tlp-rdw |
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| 15:37.51 | dob1 | beardy, I know about that options, it's still different order by ls -la, but it depends on case imho |
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| 15:38.36 | beardy | dob1: See greycat's answer regarding locale. |
| 15:39.06 | annadane | intx, ethernet or wifi? |
| 15:39.09 | greycat | comparing "LC_COLLATE=C ls" and "ls" will be enlightening for many people, I imagine |
| 15:39.11 | intx | ethernet |
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| 15:40.40 | b1ack0p | i found script in this location : /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local |
| 15:41.07 | b1ack0p | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1155778 |
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| 15:41.11 | annadane | intx, when you say "none of them work", what output do you get? paste.debian.net |
| 15:41.40 | intx | ahh okay. you guys are right, dns isn't working. will need to look into why |
| 15:42.01 | intx | thanks! |
| 15:42.13 | b1ack0p | in forum somebody addressed swap partition: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=133578 |
| 15:42.22 | b1ack0p | "Recently I've encountered a similar problem of repetitive "local-block", and it turned out to be a modified swap partition UUID which need to be updated in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume." |
| 15:42.46 | b1ack0p | so both issues are related each other? |
| 15:43.02 | b1ack0p | script/local-block and running job uuid.. |
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| 16:00.44 | Scou_moune | Hi i have strange error |
| 16:00.55 | Scou_moune | i have install buster and when i use iw |
| 16:01.14 | Scou_moune | that say that: command failed: Too many open files in system (-23) |
| 16:01.29 | Scou_moune | I realy don't understand why |
| 16:01.52 | Scou_moune | i just run that iw phy phy0 interface add wlan0 type managed |
| 16:02.46 | Scou_moune | and i have /usr/sbin//iw and /sbin/iw |
| 16:02.52 | RoyK | Scou_moune: please pastebin output of 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr' |
| 16:02.59 | Scou_moune | ok |
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| 16:04.31 | Scou_moune | https://pastebin.com/naAzJUBy |
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| 16:05.35 | RoyK | Scou_moune: so not even close to the limit |
| 16:05.53 | Scou_moune | that the first time i have that maybe i have do wrong during the install, that fresh, but i see buster have new things |
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| 16:06.39 | Scou_moune | # /sbin not in $PATH |
| 16:06.41 | Scou_moune | echo "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" >> /etc/login.defs |
| 16:06.43 | Scou_moune | like that |
| 16:06.55 | RoyK | Scou_moune: sudo -i |
| 16:06.59 | RoyK | or su - |
| 16:07.04 | RoyK | don't just 'su' |
| 16:07.05 | RoyK | !su |
| 16:07.05 | dpkg | extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su". |
| 16:07.29 | Scou_moune | yea i have read that |
| 16:10.38 | Scou_moune | I have make a /var /tmp /home / /boot, but that first time i make a /var /tmp in other partition |
| 16:11.11 | Scou_moune | Maybe the error: command failed: Too many open files in system (-23) due to that ? |
| 16:11.19 | Scou_moune | or that a bug with iw |
| 16:13.39 | Scou_moune | RoyK: ok su - root lol |
| 16:14.11 | Scou_moune | ðï¸ |
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| 16:14.41 | RoyK | Scou_moune: or just "su -" |
| 16:15.12 | Scou_moune | yea |
| 16:15.16 | RoyK | the number of open files in the system isn't related to the number of filesystems |
| 16:15.28 | RoyK | but then - the max is astronomically high |
| 16:15.44 | RoyK | the usual max for a normal user is 1024, but can be changed if needed |
| 16:15.50 | Scou_moune | i have modify nothing |
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| 16:16.07 | Scou_moune | i have installed buster past 12h |
| 16:16.52 | RoyK | Scou_moune: look into /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 16:16.58 | Scou_moune | ok |
| 16:17.28 | Scou_moune | i was on stretch during 7years |
| 16:18.05 | tharkun | Good $DAY. I have an hp printer that can be set up for wifi usage. Is that achivable from a Debian machine? |
| 16:19.09 | RoyK | tharkun: good localtime(); # ;) |
| 16:19.27 | RoyK | tharkun: it should be available as an lpd printer - they usually are |
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| 16:21.16 | tharkun | RoyK: :) Be safe. I suppose it eventually will be but I need to configure it connecting directly to it using the usb connection But I do not know the tool to do so. I currently use it through the usb port but it is not an option for other devices. |
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| 16:21.46 | Scou_moune | https://pastebin.com/2SLMaarV all line have a # |
| 16:22.17 | RoyK | Scou_moune: that's normal - it just means everything is using the defaults |
| 16:22.35 | Scou_moune | "In the future iw will become the canonical command line tool for wireless configuration and iwconfig/wireless-tools will no longer be required. See /usr/share/doc/iw/README.Debian for a more detailed overview of iw. " |
| 16:22.48 | Scou_moune | yea for me iw bug actualy xD |
| 16:22.59 | Scou_moune | RoyK: ok |
| 16:24.25 | tharkun | !tell Scou_moune about lsof |
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| 16:27.53 | Scou_moune | tharkun: yea i have lsof |
| 16:28.17 | Scou_moune | install by default i see because i don't have install it |
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| 16:29.15 | RoyK | Scou_moune: learn to use it :) |
| 16:29.24 | quadrathoch2 | tharkun did you already look into hplip? |
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| 16:30.14 | Scou_moune | RoyK: sure i do in past i have for control socket |
| 16:32.19 | tharkun | quadrathoch2: Thanks, no I haven't looked into it. I will ddg it asap |
| 16:33.52 | RoyK | Scou_moune: sockets are also files |
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| 16:34.33 | Scou_moune | yea |
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| 16:35.26 | Scou_moune | what i do with lsof ? i don't realy understand the link with the error i have say lol |
| 16:35.42 | RoyK | Scou_moune: what does lsof say about open files for the particular user with issues? |
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| 16:42.23 | Scou_moune | RoyK: sorry i don't know what you say, and how can i see that with lsof ? |
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| 16:44.41 | Scou_moune | i have only the error: command failed: Too many open files in system (-23), when i use this cmd: iw phy phy0 interface add wlp4s0 type managed |
| 16:44.54 | Scou_moune | So at this moment i have 0 file open |
| 16:45.44 | greycat | You do NOT have zero files open. |
| 16:45.53 | greycat | You have LOTS of files open. At least 3 per process. |
| 16:46.43 | greycat | However, it might be IMPLIED that you are running that iw command AS ROOT. (It would be nice if you SAID so, especially after other people talked to you about checking the number of open files for the USER having the issue.) |
| 16:46.58 | greycat | Per-user system resource limits on open files probably aren't in effect for root. Maybe. |
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| 16:49.16 | Scou_moune | Seriously i have 0 file open just mozilla, polary and a shell in root |
| 16:49.27 | greycat | You're an idiot. *plonk* |
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| 16:49.40 | Scou_moune | i understand nothing |
| 16:49.43 | greycat | I hope you solve your problem, but god DAMN. |
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| 16:51.12 | Scou_moune | no seriously i realy understand nothing, the user is root i try to run iw in root, because withtout root that can't work |
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| 16:51.16 | Scou_moune | that all |
| 16:51.22 | Scou_moune | and that show this error |
| 16:51.36 | Scou_moune | and you talk i have lot of file open blabla |
| 16:51.39 | Scou_moune | hello |
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| 16:51.46 | EdePopede | Scou_moune: every program you run opens files. just look into the number subdirectories of /proc, in their fd subdirs the links all point to open files |
| 16:52.07 | EdePopede | just like you don't have to start a single program after boot but a lot are running already |
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| 16:52.52 | RoyK | Scou_moune: try to run ulimit -n 30000 or something before running that command |
| 16:52.58 | tharkun | I think there is a language barrier here. Scou_moune What is your natural language? |
| 16:53.00 | RoyK | as root, obviously |
| 16:53.18 | EdePopede | maybe a primer on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_streams |
| 16:53.20 | Scou_moune | yea i'm french but i try to understand |
| 16:53.55 | Scou_moune | and i'm scary i have missed the install, but that can't possible |
| 16:53.57 | RoyK | Scou_moune: all programs have open files, streams etc. Some open a *lot* of them. You just don't see it. |
| 16:54.15 | Scou_moune | ok |
| 16:54.27 | greycat | For the record, on my system right now, if I do "lsof -u root | wc -l" I get 1328 open files *JUST* as root. 33 of them are from lsof itself (verified by sudo lsof -u root | grep -c ^lsof). |
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| 16:55.50 | RoyK | on my system, lsof without any arguments lists some 27000 open files. I have a bunch of services running there, though |
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| 16:57.21 | greycat | I get 18631 open files for myself. And I had to add the -n option or it just hung. |
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| 16:57.41 | Scou_moune | lsof -u root | wc -l i have 1476 |
| 16:57.44 | greycat | The notion that a person RUNNING MOZILLA would have "zero open files" is preposterous. |
| 16:58.04 | greycat | mozilla probably has hundreds of them |
| 16:58.19 | Scou_moune | lsof -u root | grep -c ^lsof and 31 |
| 16:58.34 | Scou_moune | yea i have mozilla polaru and my shell that all |
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| 16:58.47 | Scou_moune | i have look in top for see too |
| 16:58.54 | Scou_moune | polari* |
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| 16:59.17 | RoyK | greycat: please calm down. even if someone is new in this game, doesn't give you the right to be rude |
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| 16:59.41 | EdePopede | mozilla reports 1845 here, more than root has in total |
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| 16:59.58 | Scou_moune | lol i know greycat so i know how he talk |
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| 17:05.44 | Scou_moune | hum |
| 17:05.59 | Scou_moune | my user have 4314 files opens |
| 17:06.18 | Scou_moune | lsof -u user | wc -l |
| 17:06.59 | Scou_moune | wtf seriously |
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| 17:11.09 | Scou_moune | 4160 and now 5216 |
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| 17:21.24 | blurkis | lsof | wc -l gives me 299211. |
| 17:21.50 | Scou_moune | for me 40885 |
| 17:22.23 | blurkis | lsof -u username |wc -l gives 12306. Thats alot of files, hahaha |
| 17:23.12 | Scou_moune | yea i have only 4000 but i have an error too much file open |
| 17:23.18 | Scou_moune | -_- that no sens |
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| 17:24.12 | Scou_moune | only with iw i have this error |
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| 17:29.43 | c-c | So, the Buster Live graphical installers partitioning tool crashes without an error. |
| 17:30.40 | c-c | I can select the fs and create partitions, but when trying to execute my ext4 based scheme the whole installer just disappears |
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| 17:31.20 | c-c | So I was going with GPT and EXT4 partitions, its a M2 SSD |
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| 17:32.31 | c-c | - Now, I got tired of figuring it out, and just selected autopartitioning from the same GUI installer from the same Live Buster 10.4 image, and that just does its thing like it is supposed to. |
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| 17:33.39 | c-c | I've been through debian installs few dozen times (I was working on a jessie lite-desktop installer so many many installs), and can figure this out. But I wonder if a GUI installer should give some error message when it dies. |
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| 17:34.08 | c-c | - Like in a program, a good program uses try-catch structure to catch errors, a bad program just blows up. |
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| 17:35.09 | rgwu | Which is more useful, catching an exception and printing an error message, or blowing up and creating a core dump for a programmer to analyze? |
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| 17:35.27 | c-c | rgwu: thats not the correct question |
| 17:35.47 | c-c | rgwu: both the programmer and the GUI installer user need to "grok" whats going on |
| 17:36.34 | c-c | its not an "or", at least it shouldn't be - it may be "or" if theres time or money constraint 8) |
| 17:37.12 | c-c | I guess I should have hunted for the core dump, now that I think of that |
| 17:38.25 | shtrb | Could some one remind me what is the proper way to declare mode switch ? I created a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/file.conf with "ATTR{idVendor}=="XXXX", ATTRS{idProduct}=="YYYY", RUN+="usb_modeswitch '%b/%k'" but the /dev/sr0 is stil present |
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| 17:45.14 | c-c | shtrb: my modeswitch-fu is basically nonexistent, so I'm bit confused by your details, but can you, at your own risk of listening to my sillyness $ eject /dev/sr0 |
| 17:45.42 | c-c | (maybe even su'd or sudoed) |
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| 17:46.57 | shtrb | Yes , when I eject all go fine but I don't like to do eject each time |
| 17:48.11 | c-c | and watabouts /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf's "DisableSwitching"? |
| 17:48.43 | c-c | anyway, my new buster box has hardware problems so l8r and good luck! 8) |
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| 17:53.20 | shtrb | I even tried adding an eject /dev/sr0 in the conf |
| 17:53.52 | shtrb | c-c, ? |
| 17:54.37 | c-c | ok, so that sounds confusing, esp since I'm not sure which conf, and why would you add commands to a configuration file |
| 17:55.19 | shtrb | In the /etc/udev/rules.d/file.conf |
| 17:55.33 | shtrb | I'm trying to get rid of that /dev/sr0 mode connection |
| 17:55.35 | c-c | shtrb: also, I can't see you describe what you are trying to achieve, with what devices etc |
| 17:57.20 | shtrb | I have a Marvell(?) usb modem , normally when I just plug such a device it will switch blindly to the ethernet mode and I surf . but here what ever I try that /dev/sr0 is still there (and SPAMMING me about blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 1 prio class 0 until I do eject /dev/sr0) |
| 17:57.42 | shtrb | *usb 4G modem |
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| 18:01.35 | c-c | shtrb: hookay, an usb modem, that runs its driver over your delish setup, and attaches as a media on /dev/sr0 |
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| 18:04.39 | shtrb | Yes , my biggest problem now is the absolute spamming in my logs |
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| 18:07.34 | Azrael_- | debian is godlike, even a system upgrade with full system encryption works flawless! |
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| 18:13.12 | c-c | shtrb: I think my best input was already shared, maybe someone else can help: I have problems with unstable system so its bit diff to help |
| 18:13.27 | shtrb | Good luck |
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| 18:23.07 | maniqui | Hi. Is there a specific channel for discussing/reporting dpkg/apt issues? |
| 18:24.31 | maniqui | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.33 | RoyK | maniqui: probably this one |
| 18:24.40 | RoyK | !debian next |
| 18:24.46 | RoyK | hm |
| 18:25.14 | sney | !#debian-next |
| 18:25.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 18:26.17 | annadane | welcome to sid, you get to keep all the pieces :) |
| 18:26.40 | annadane | (not entirely fair, sid can be usable, but still, this is the choice one makes) |
| 18:27.12 | lupulo | annadane perhaps he requires new software |
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| 18:27.32 | lupulo | it is mandatory |
| 18:27.44 | sney | it's "when it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces." It doesn't always break. I prefer the mild filter of testing though, personally. |
| 18:28.48 | maniqui | OK, I'll cross-post to #debian-next then. |
| 18:28.53 | maniqui | I don't discard this being a hardware issue (SSD might be wearing out / dying?). |
| 18:29.06 | maniqui | At least, there are two patterns I've noticed: |
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| 18:29.44 | maniqui | 1. dpkg/apt seems to be somehow involved with the files getting corrupted. |
| 18:29.58 | lupulo | in gentoo the op bans after one person breaks the rules |
| 18:30.16 | sney | if you think it's a hardware problem, try to rule that out before getting into the weeds with software. many disk manufacturers offer diagnostic tools, and there's smartctl and various bootable vendor-agnostic tools as well |
| 18:31.02 | maniqui | 2. the new contents for a corrupted file seem to be coming from the same source: a very, very large hosts.block file (managed by the hostsblock script, an ad/malware/xxx sites blocker). And the corrupted file gets converted from plain text into binary. |
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| 18:32.39 | maniqui | sney yes, I''ve it pending to do some further SSD testing. At least, smartctl shows an attribute in red ("Media Wear Out Indicator"). |
| 18:33.24 | maniqui | Can't join #debian-next, it seems one needs to be invited there. |
| 18:33.49 | absinthe | indeed |
| 18:35.14 | annadane | maniqui, oftc |
| 18:35.16 | annadane | not freenode |
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| 18:35.41 | annadane | . dpkg even tells you that |
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| 18:56.00 | maniqui | This post on AskUbuntu (https://askubuntu.com/questions/490587/many-files-in-var-lib-dpkg-info-corrupted-how-to-recover) seems to describe exactly the same issue I'm currently having on Debian. |
| 18:57.35 | maniqui | The most voted answer (https://askubuntu.com/a/1041593/72828) helped me recovering from the situation. |
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| 19:20.53 | lifostack | hi all i'm trying to update my nvidia drivers and it's warning me that i have an x server running and that it MUST be closed before updating, is this as simple as CTRL+ALT+F2 or do i actually need to kill the process? |
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| 19:21.02 | lifostack | thanks for any help this is my first rodeo so to speak |
| 19:21.09 | lifostack | with an nvidia driver update |
| 19:21.29 | sney | I haven't seen that message in a long time, what debian version is this and how are you updating the nvidia driver? |
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| 19:21.51 | lifostack | Linux posixBuster 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:22.06 | lifostack | nvidia driver is 390.XX legacy for a Quadro NVS420M |
| 19:22.29 | lifostack | sorry Nvidia NVS 4200M |
| 19:22.42 | lifostack | it may not be a quadro, i thought it was though |
| 19:22.52 | lifostack | most certainly is legacy though, this Dell is from like 2010 |
| 19:23.02 | sney | the nvs series was branded as quadro iirc. are you using the debian package for the driver? |
| 19:25.22 | lifostack | well i didnt know there was a debian package, i just downloaded a .run file from Nvidia, which i found out was an incompatible version so it threw an error telling me to go download the legacy .run file and warned me about the x server and that it must be closed to update |
| 19:25.39 | sney | !why nvidia installer sucks |
| 19:25.39 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 19:25.52 | lifostack | only reason im even bothering with the update is because when i run a simple hello world app in android studio with the AVD virtual emulator im getting a soft freeze |
| 19:25.56 | sney | see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for better instructions, including legacy |
| 19:25.59 | lifostack | or potentially a graphical error |
| 19:26.05 | lifostack | a refusal to render the virtual emulator |
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| 19:26.53 | lifostack | ok checking that link out now |
| 19:27.25 | lifostack | computer stays running i can turn caps lock on and off, but screen is "frozen" if you will |
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| 19:27.36 | lifostack | i get no response or update from the screen, no mouse movement etc |
| 19:28.17 | sney | the free nouveau driver supports most features of most nvidia gpus but it does fall short in some situations. installing the proprietary driver will probably fix your issue |
| 19:28.19 | lifostack | only when i compile the program and in turn launch AVD emulator and the emulator settings wont let me change the Emulator GFX settings from Auto to CPU only so as to disable GPU rendering of the emulator |
| 19:29.31 | lifostack | sney, any way i can check which nvidia drivers are currently installed on my system? |
| 19:29.41 | lifostack | sorry if that sounds ultra noob |
| 19:29.51 | lifostack | maybe lspci ? |
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| 19:30.22 | sney | lspci -k would show you a list of devices and what drivers they are using, yes. or lsmod. you most likely have only the nouveau driver, which comes with debian |
| 19:30.54 | sney | and if you install the nvidia legacy driver as per the instructions on that wiki page, it will automatically clean up any messes left by the nvidia .run file and also disable nouveau for you. |
| 19:32.22 | lifostack | ok i'm almost finished reading that wiki page |
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| 19:32.40 | lifostack | the .run file i /almost/ accidentally ran failed because it was the newest non-legacy stuff |
| 19:32.50 | lifostack | er, i actually did run it, it just failed to install |
| 19:34.48 | lifostack | ty sney |
| 19:34.54 | sney | np |
| 19:35.10 | lifostack | im surprised my guess was /finally/ right (lspci) :P |
| 19:35.11 | sney | if you have any follow up questions, be specific about which step you're stuck on. |
| 19:35.19 | lifostack | i feel like a +1 noob now |
| 19:35.26 | lifostack | much better than a 0 noob |
| 19:35.54 | lifostack | ok, i need to reboot per the driver install instructions. BRB |
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| 20:13.00 | ws2k3 | i have a file when i do ls -la it shows ---------T instead of lrwxrwxrwx i never saw that before what does it mean? |
| 20:13.57 | sney | extended attributes, iirc. see lsattr and 'man chattr' |
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| 20:23.26 | ws2k3 | thx sney |
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| 20:36.23 | tharkun | Good $DAY, be safe everyone. I need to install a wifi printer which is an hp2545 Someone earlier today suggested installing hplip which I did. I am unable to still access the printer to configure the wifi and set up the wifi-password on it so it is available for other devices. Any suggestions. I ran out of options on my google skills. |
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| 20:39.40 | sney | tharkun: it sounds like you have a few things going on there. the wifi on the printer will need to be enabled before you can connect to it from your computer |
| 20:40.13 | sney | it's usually pretty easy to find the service manual for a given hp model, if you're locked out of the control panel or something |
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| 21:12.33 | jhutchins | tharkun: iirc you often have to connect with a cable, then browse to a pre-set IP. If it's pure wifi, then you need to connect to it's preconfigured network. I would be surprised if you could not find setup instructions on the web, specifically at the HP support site. |
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| 21:26.36 | echelon | hi |
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| 21:27.17 | sney | hi |
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| 21:27.45 | dvs | why |
| 21:27.56 | annadane | sigh |
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| 21:39.25 | Rusty_Almighty | Are all of the IP addresses in the same subnet. |
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| 21:39.51 | Rusty_Almighty | Or oopse.. Disregard that. Wrong channel. |
| 21:39.59 | dvs | !lart Rusty_Almighty |
| 21:39.59 | dpkg | tries to shut Rusty_Almighty up |
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| 21:44.21 | jhutchins | Ok, this is a bit much: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Host-Info-To-Containers |
| 21:44.25 | jhutchins | Is this a special systemd for MS, or is the main systemd accepting "contributions" from MS (AKA sabotage)? |
| 21:44.51 | annadane | oh fun |
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| 22:09.59 | oxek | Is the bug "It rarely shows contents of current directory" desribed at https://manpages.debian.org/buster/sl/sl.6.en.html an actual bug or is it a joke that one might mistype it as 'ls'? |
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| 22:41.34 | Johann | just a joke |
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| 22:49.59 | hyiltiz | I have ipv4 address from the Wifi router, but can only connect to sites thru ipv6 (ping mit.edu only goes thru ipv6, and traceroute shows only the router). Flushed DNS and even rebooted twice. None solved. |
| 22:49.59 | hyiltiz | Happened (could be coincidence) while/after using Tor Browser. |
| 22:49.59 | hyiltiz | System proxy settings are No Proxy. Any ideas? |
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| 22:56.32 | RoyK | hyiltiz: ping -4 |
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| 23:09.34 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Hello, I'm trying to get proprietary AMD GPU drivers on Debian. |
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| 23:10.08 | quadrathoch2 | Thedarkb-Desktop and why? |
| 23:10.34 | Thedarkb-Desktop | I'm having issues with game compatibility with the free drivers. |
| 23:12.45 | quadrathoch2 | Thedarkb-Desktop and what gpu do you have? |
| 23:13.26 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.3 ⢠CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor (1.37GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (13.8 GiB Free) Swap: 15.6 GiB Total (15.6 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 220.4 GB / 367.3 GB (146.8 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Pitcairn XT [Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] GeForce GTS 450 ⢠Uptime: 1h 12m 58s |
| 23:14.24 | quadrathoch2 | that gpu shouldn't even have closed source drivers |
| 23:14.27 | quadrathoch2 | Thedarkb-Desktop |
| 23:14.40 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Hm, really. |
| 23:14.54 | Thedarkb-Desktop | I've got an issue with Source engine games freezing in the menu. |
| 23:15.13 | Thedarkb-Desktop | I've got an R9 SFF card that doesn't do that, which is a bit odd. |
| 23:15.14 | quadrathoch2 | weird, as I have a 7770 that works perfectly fine |
| 23:15.27 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Which packages do you have installed? |
| 23:16.46 | quadrathoch2 | steam, mesa-vulkan-driver, mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 and normal mesa stuff (because of winehq-staging) but can't remember which would be useful for steam Thedarkb-Desktop |
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| 23:22.10 | tharkun | sney, jhutchins: Thanks you both had a little bit of truth on your statements. I finally found a way to configure it but I have yet to find out how to print from my laptop. |
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| 23:25.14 | Thedarkb-Desktop | quadrathoch2, Installed those and rebooted, CS:GO is still black screening, unfortunately. |
| 23:26.35 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Oooh, it's segfaulting. |
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| 23:27.00 | quadrathoch2 | give me a sec, installing csgo Thedarkb-Desktop |
| 23:27.21 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Thank you :) |
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| 23:27.36 | Thedarkb-Desktop | I think the segfault is libcurl related. |
| 23:30.38 | Thedarkb-Desktop | quadrathoch2, You won't believe this, but it's fixed. |
| 23:30.48 | Thedarkb-Desktop | The CS:GO update fixed it. |
| 23:30.58 | quadrathoch2 | lol :) |
| 23:31.07 | tharkun | sney, jhutchins: Working as a charm. I o you both some coffee when you are free and available. Thanks for your time and effort. |
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| 23:31.57 | Thedarkb-Desktop | Thank you for the help. |
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| 23:33.01 | JordiGH | If a new Firefox ESR gets released now, will it go into Debian stable or do we have to wait for another Debian release to get a new Firefox ESR? |
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| 23:33.51 | quadrathoch2 | JordiGH the last few times it was getting into stable after the last release of the old esr |
| 23:35.06 | JordiGH | Well, I've got a bug on Firefox 68 that Mozilla won't fix. |
| 23:35.22 | JordiGH | So I guess I'm either stuck doing my own backport or waiting, right? |
| 23:35.35 | JordiGH | They think Firefox 68 is only used by "enterprises". |
| 23:35.36 | quadrathoch2 | JordiGH you could dl firefox directly from mozilla |
| 23:36.13 | JordiGH | "dl firefox directly" is not why I use Debian. |
| 23:36.36 | JordiGH | I hate having binaries lying around that I forget where they came from and that apt/dpkg doesn't report upon. |
| 23:36.53 | JordiGH | I guess I'll just do my own backport. |
| 23:37.02 | quadrathoch2 | JordiGH shrug so you would need to wait till debian pushes the newer version |
| 23:37.10 | JordiGH | They don't want to fix the bug in the next ESR either, afaict. |
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| 23:39.09 | quadrathoch2 | JordiGH oO okay, what bug are we talking about? |
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| 23:39.28 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, they do want to fix it in the newer ESR, I misread, sorry. |
| 23:39.31 | JordiGH | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1606721 |
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| 23:46.53 | quadrathoch2 | JordiGH yeah it's weird imho to talk about 78 normal and 78esr oO. |
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