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| 02:42.30 | chocokep | I once had sex with a guy named Debian |
| 02:44.11 | nvz | chocokep: I'm sorry to hear that. |
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| 02:59.27 | chocokep | nvz he was a cutie |
| 02:59.44 | chocokep | half japanese and half brazilian |
| 02:59.47 | chocokep | emoish |
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| 03:06.30 | paradizelost | i'm not having any luck finding it, how am i supposed to join a debian box to a freeipa domain? |
| 03:06.40 | paradizelost | i cant find packages for any of the newer distro's |
| 03:06.49 | paradizelost | (at least not ones i'm willing to trust at this point) |
| 03:08.10 | nvz | ,v freeipa-client |
| 03:08.11 | judd | Package: freeipa-client on amd64 -- buster: 4.7.2-3; sid: 4.8.6-1 |
| 03:08.19 | nvz | i, freeipa-client |
| 03:08.26 | nvz | ,i freeipa-client |
| 03:08.28 | judd | Package freeipa-client (net, optional) in buster/amd64: FreeIPA centralized identity framework -- client. Version: 4.7.2-3; Size: 106.0k; Installed: 302k; Homepage: http://www.freeipa.org |
| 03:08.37 | paradizelost | i'm on debian 10 |
| 03:08.47 | nvz | yes, well thats /buster/ |
| 03:09.08 | paradizelost | so i'm probably just missing the right repos? |
| 03:09.25 | paradizelost | sonofa |
| 03:09.32 | paradizelost | i'd swear i tried to install that... |
| 03:09.47 | nvz | paradizelost: well, try this.. |
| 03:10.20 | nvz | (apt policy; apt policy freeipa-client)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 03:10.38 | nvz | should return a url to the output |
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| 03:13.38 | nvz | (which you should paste here) |
| 03:15.24 | paradizelost | it installed on my buster box just fine, but apparently some of my hosts are still running stretch... |
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| 03:15.42 | paradizelost | so i'm handling that quick |
| 03:17.36 | nvz | :) |
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| 03:31.28 | paradizelost | as soon as i upgraded to buster, i have freeipa-client |
| 03:31.57 | sevenninety | I have a new MB with realtek 8125 (rtl8125) ethernet. The driver from realtek shows all available speeds but I can only get it to work at 100MB. Anyone have similar device? |
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| 03:55.36 | nvz | sevenninety: how new is it? do you have the pciid? |
| 03:55.51 | nvz | sevenninety: perhaps you should try newer kernel/firmware |
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| 03:58.09 | nvz | sevenninety: you can get a 5.x kernel and new firmware from backports |
| 03:58.37 | nvz | sevenninety: you may also wanna check the bios/efi and make sure there isnt an option in there that limits it |
| 04:01.03 | nvz | ah that device isnt all that new it seems.. there are drivers on their site dated as far back as 2007 |
| 04:01.33 | nvz | your issue may be external |
| 04:01.51 | nvz | i.e. what you have it hooked to and what kinda cable you're using |
| 04:02.43 | sevenninety | nvz i have tried several cables. I have two other machines running 1000MB. I try changnig with ethtool and it just kills the connection. |
| 04:03.06 | nvz | wouldnt hurt to try a new kernel and firmware |
| 04:03.09 | sevenninety | I am running 5.7 kern. |
| 04:03.21 | nvz | 5.7? o.O |
| 04:03.28 | nvz | from where? |
| 04:03.53 | sevenninety | running debian packaged from testing |
| 04:04.03 | nvz | @.@ |
| 04:04.45 | sevenninety | no 8125 in the modules so using the driver from realtek. |
| 04:06.03 | sevenninety | i will check the bios. running firmware from buster |
| 04:06.35 | nvz | why.. ... .... would you be runnign firmware from buster and a kernel from testing? |
| 04:07.49 | sevenninety | it did not make a difference |
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| 04:10.01 | sevenninety | still shows 100Mb/s but has all modes supported and advertised. I guess it could still be cabling. i will take one from a working 1000MB connection and see. |
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| 04:15.43 | sevenninety | ok turns out I have several crap cables. 4th one is the charm. thanks for talking through with me nvz. |
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| 05:17.39 | nvz | no worries |
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| 08:20.43 | pragomer | hi. is it possible to configure "nano" so that it automatically breaks lines (only visually.. on screen), whenever the window size is changed? |
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| 08:21.23 | pragomer | or, I think the better english word (i am not native) is "line wrapping" ? |
| 08:22.50 | pragomer | Ok, I got it myself: its Esc and the "$" |
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| 09:13.39 | pixan | hi |
| 09:13.54 | pixan | how to build firefox-esr-dbg for buster? |
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| 09:17.39 | nvz | hmm.. doesnt look like thats packaged since jessie.. |
| 09:17.51 | nvz | building a web browser is no small task |
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| 09:19.05 | pixan | is it possible? |
| 09:19.43 | Unit193 | !dbgsym |
| 09:19.43 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 09:20.36 | nvz | Unit193: are those not on p.d.o or UDD? |
| 09:21.02 | nvz | cause I dont see any packages for firefox-esr-dbgsym |
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| 09:21.29 | nvz | is too tired to dig much deeper |
| 09:21.32 | Unit193 | Not really, no. Technically they could not exist, but they're likely in the debug repo. |
| 09:22.10 | Unit193 | One doesn't list them in d/control either, they're fully automatic unless no binary files, already stripped, or specifically disabled. |
| 09:22.33 | nvz | yeah a user compilig a browser would be a nightmare |
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| 09:25.39 | pixan | Unit193 main contrib non-free or just main ? |
| 09:26.01 | Unit193 | pixan: Up to you really. |
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| 09:26.44 | pixan | i actually don't know what to expect from these terms in source.list |
| 09:26.45 | nvz | I was going to suggest going to OFTC to more likely find some DD/DMs before you'd popped in.. cause I figured this was a question better answered by someone who knew what changed with the -dbg packages |
| 09:26.53 | Unit193 | See also: find-dbgsym-packages from debian-goodies. |
| 09:27.20 | Unit193 | nvz: I'm buzzing out about now anyway. |
| 09:27.39 | pixan | is it a site? |
| 09:27.45 | Unit193 | nvz: But basically, it was decided debug packages are useful, but not used enough to clutter all the mirrors. |
| 09:28.04 | Unit193 | pixan: debian-goodies is a package, find-dbgsym-packages is a script contained in said package. |
| 09:28.43 | pixan | thanks |
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| 09:32.00 | xormor | "Package linux-image-4.19.0-10-amd64 is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 09:32.32 | xormor | "However the following packages replace it: linux-image-4.19.0-10-amd64-unsigned" |
| 09:32.35 | xormor | why? |
| 09:33.09 | pixan | dbgsym depends 68.7.0 but 68.10.0 is installed |
| 09:33.17 | xormor | anyone else with the same problem? I used proposed-updates, but I got another sources.list generator output to put into /etc/apt/sources.list and now there seems to be no problem. |
| 09:33.53 | xormor | I already installed the unsigned version, but why is there no normally signed version? |
| 09:34.38 | xormor | this is the problem package: linux-image-amd64/proposed-updates 4.19+105+deb10u5 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.19+105+deb10u4] |
| 09:34.39 | pixan | maybe the testing release ? |
| 09:34.49 | xormor | pixan, I think so. |
| 09:35.22 | pixan | whats is code name of testing? |
| 09:35.31 | nvz | bullseye |
| 09:35.51 | nvz | ,v firefox-esr |
| 09:35.52 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: |
| 09:35.53 | judd | 68.10.0esr-1; sid: 68.10.0esr-1 |
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| 09:39.16 | pixan | now apt agrees they are same package but unable to follow |
| 09:39.48 | pixan | firefox-esr-dbgsym : Depends: firefox-esr (= 68.10.0esr-1) but 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1 is to be installed |
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| 09:43.35 | pixan | dead end ? |
| 09:48.13 | pixan | nvz why building web browser consist of a nightmare? |
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| 10:10.50 | wuseman | Hey, in one of my tools I use: xargs --show-limits -s 1 2>&1|grep -i "parallelism"|awk '{print $8}' for grep max-procs, I got a issue report on git that claims this command does not work on his debian setup with kernel 4.10 - I doubt this is a debian issue, but someone can be nice and just confirm if this command works on your debian install? |
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| 10:13.03 | wuseman | He got plasma-desktop and using konsole also, if that matters. Works on my gentoo setup and android device and also on a kubuntu 20.20 livecd I booted. |
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| 10:24.39 | wuseman | Funny it works on https://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_bash_online.php wich is running on a debian server so it seems be a user error, thx anyway |
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| 10:28.09 | blurkis | wuseman: https://paste.debian.net/1156006/ |
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| 10:28.40 | wuseman | blurkis: xargs --show-limits -s 1 2>&1|grep -i "parallelism"|awk '{print $8}' |
| 10:29.10 | blurkis | wuseman: that works for me. No output at all, but it runs. |
| 10:29.15 | wuseman | what? |
| 10:29.43 | wuseman | How is this possible, he also using swedish layout and gets no output. How is this possible, only on debian this command does not work it seems |
| 10:30.06 | wuseman | Anyone know how solve this in debian, and what causes this on only debian systems it seems? |
| 10:30.15 | blurkis | Perhaps do the script a bit more verbose with debuginfo so you can tell what goes wrong? |
| 10:30.32 | blurkis | Giving no output its hard to say what went wrong, |
| 10:30.52 | wuseman | Especially when it works on gentoo, android, kubuntu, linux mint but not debian only |
| 10:31.39 | wuseman | xargs --show-limits -s 1 will work, you should grep the value at end of Maximum parallelism |
| 10:32.03 | wuseman | It works even on online bash simulators, but not a debian running system. anyone know how this is possible? |
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| 10:33.54 | wuseman | It also works on WSL when running debian |
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| 10:34.39 | wuseman | Just tried now, so I have no idea how this can be fixed on a debian system :/ |
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| 10:39.28 | wuseman | Works on 4.4.0-170-generic #199-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 14 01:45:04 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux aswell it seems. How is this possible and how do you grep stderr in debian? |
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| 10:40.20 | wuseman | 'nc -zv localhost 8080 2>&1|grep tcp' will give no output neither then I guess? |
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| 10:43.24 | wuseman | thanks blurkis btw. |
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| 11:15.51 | mikunos | Hi guys I am trying to use the Sury packages for installing php7.2 but I get an error: Err https://packages.sury.org/php/ jessie/main php7.2-cli amd64 7.2.31-1+0~20200514.41+debian8~1.gbpe2a56b HttpError404 |
| 11:15.59 | mikunos | why this happens? |
| 11:16.24 | mikunos | I have added the key certificate |
| 11:16.43 | mikunos | what else?! |
| 11:17.42 | mikunos | testing it by a cURL connection: curl --verbose -SLO https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3_8.41-1+0~20170825202309.5+jessie~1.gbp97d153_amd64.deb |
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| 11:18.04 | mikunos | I get the HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden |
| 11:18.17 | mikunos | what have I do to fix this issue? |
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| 11:20.05 | GNU\colossus | mikunos, 3rd party repos are not supported in this channel. at any rate, did you run "sudo apt-get update" before you tried to install a package via "apt-get install"? |
| 11:20.35 | mikunos | yes I have updated the repos |
| 11:21.16 | mikunos | and then I have tried to install the php packages |
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| 11:21.48 | GNU\colossus | (you're aware that Debian Jessie isn't even LTS-supported any more?) |
| 11:22.37 | GNU\colossus | my advice is to properly dist-upgrade to buster, and use php7.3 there. |
| 11:26.12 | mikunos | thanks! |
| 11:26.18 | mikunos | I'll do it! |
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| 11:40.29 | reintegrated | Hey all, I have a webcam, lsusb reports it as: "ID 0c45:627b Microdia PC Camera (SN9C201 + OV7660)" - all my machines are Debian 10 and mostly headless, the camera is detected and works well, I'm using ffmpeg to stream it to another machine over UDP. The problem is, when connecting it to my main server (where I want it to live after testing is completed), the following shows up on the terminal and in dmesg every few se |
| 11:40.29 | reintegrated | 0x 7-2:1.0: URB error -84, resubmitting" - I've found very little on Google except for the understanding that URB is some sort of USB registry. I'm very confused as this error only shows up on my main server, despite it working, and despite all machines tested on running Debian 10 and fully up-to-date. |
| 11:40.35 | reintegrated | Any takers for an assist? :) |
| 11:41.20 | reintegrated | Update: this error does appear on the other machines too, however nowhere near as frequently... and it works! I don't understand. |
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| 12:15.53 | reintegrated | Further update: Having tested more closely, even though it's not every few seconds like on my server, this error also appears in dmesg about once every minute on my other machines. I'm tempted to ignore it as the camera works, but it's just really messy having the logs fill up with this error, ideally I'd like to fix it, or even just supress it the errors somehow? |
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| 12:30.49 | LtL | reintegrated: this may stop it, at least from printing to logs but maye from your console/terminal also. in /etc/rsyslog.conf put :msg, contains, "USB" stop |
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| 12:31.12 | LtL | then restart rsyslog |
| 12:32.29 | reintegrated | Thanks LtL, I'll give that a go now. |
| 12:32.43 | LtL | reintegrated: it wors for me. |
| 12:32.47 | LtL | works |
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| 12:33.49 | untakenstupidnic | I have software that is trivially simple to build and has been ported to multiple OSes and distros. Would someone make a .orig.tar.gz for it and take it to the repos? |
| 12:33.51 | untakenstupidnic | https://github.com/abakh/nbsdgames |
| 12:37.02 | avu | untakenstupidnic: you can file an RFP if you can't package it yourself |
| 12:37.26 | untakenstupidnic | where should i file it? |
| 12:37.33 | reintegrated | LtL: that doesn't seem to have worked, let me reboot and check again. |
| 12:38.19 | avu | untakenstupidnic: https://wiki.debian.org/RFP |
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| 12:40.02 | avu | untakenstupidnic: also an ITP would certainly be better of course :) |
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| 12:42.41 | reintegrated | LtL: Nope, still showing up in dmesg :( |
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| 12:45.19 | LtL | reintegrated: does it show up in /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 12:45.54 | LtL | You probably can't stop the kernel buffing from seeing it. |
| 12:46.01 | LtL | buffer |
| 12:46.06 | reintegrated | Yeah it does. |
| 12:46.30 | reintegrated | Hmmm |
| 12:46.38 | LtL | reintegrated: try putting that line in each stanza |
| 12:48.05 | reintegrated | Ah right, I wasn't sure where to put it, so just put it at the bottom of the file. |
| 12:48.15 | LtL | reintegrated: i guarantee if you get the correct stanza, it will stop the logging of the message |
| 12:48.30 | reintegrated | OK cool, I'll do some testing with that now. |
| 12:50.14 | LtL | reintegrated: here is my rsyslog.conf http://paste.debian.net/1156016/ |
| 12:50.38 | reintegrated | Cheers. |
| 12:50.50 | LtL | good luck :) |
| 12:50.58 | reintegrated | :-D |
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| 13:08.56 | reintegrated | Hmm, no dice, tried several different syntaxes and locations in the conf file. |
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| 13:09.02 | reintegrated | How frustrating. |
| 13:10.31 | LtL | thats strange, it should stop it, did you restart the service? |
| 13:11.23 | LtL | the 'stop' lines need to be above the logging directives |
| 13:12.45 | LtL | the string you put there must match something in the errow messages of course, i just guessed 'USB' |
| 13:13.14 | LtL | i can't type this early |
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| 13:14.41 | reintegrated | The full error message in dmesg is: gspca_sn9c20x 7-2:1.0: URB error -84, resubmitting |
| 13:14.51 | reintegrated | So I put in: :msg, contains, "URB error -84, resubmitting" stop |
| 13:15.03 | reintegrated | Right at the top of rsyslog.conf |
| 13:15.10 | LtL | oh, duh, i mis-read it, i would use 'URB' |
| 13:15.27 | reintegrated | Yeah I noticed that typo and was using URB :) |
| 13:15.36 | reintegrated | Restarted with: systemctl restart rsyslog.service |
| 13:15.41 | LtL | reintegrated: try a terse form, just URB |
| 13:15.53 | reintegrated | I'm sure I tried that, but shall give it another go... |
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| 13:18.00 | ahoo | where are the isos? |
| 13:18.46 | ahoo | oh, never mind. |
| 13:19.03 | ahoo | i hit the back button, clicked the arch again and the download started. |
| 13:20.16 | LtL | reintegrated: put that line precisely where i put my 'stop' lines. twice if i recall |
| 13:21.30 | LtL | reintegrated: you didnt't close your quote, possibly the cause, or a typo |
| 13:21.48 | LtL | err sorry, yes you did. |
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| 13:23.19 | reintegrated | lol |
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| 13:30.21 | LtL | reintegrated: when you google 'gspca_sn9c20x' there are some hits, fixing the error is always best :) |
| 13:30.30 | reintegrated | Ddin't see the second entry! Have updated and restarted rsyslog but it's still coming up... I'm not convinced rsyslog is retarting correctly though, so I'm going to bounce the server again. |
| 13:31.11 | reintegrated | Yeah I would obviously prefer to fix the error, but couldn't find anything specific - I'll take another look though, I was mainly searching for the error message not the source. |
| 13:31.40 | LtL | reintegrated: is it in syslog or just dmesg? if i recall, that hack stopped all logging including the kernel buffer |
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| 13:32.23 | LtL | reintegrated: i assume the driver appears in 'lsmod' yes? |
| 13:33.31 | untakenstupidnic | avu: do people actually read them? there are so many of them |
| 13:34.21 | LtL | untakenstupidnic: yes, especially when they're being constantly spammed with useless information. |
| 13:34.57 | untakenstupidnic | LtL: your response is confusing |
| 13:35.04 | LtL | that was not for me, pardon |
| 13:35.41 | LtL | untakenstupidnic: whats confusing, logs can become huge if they log junk every second |
| 13:36.15 | untakenstupidnic | i am talking about wnpp requests |
| 13:36.41 | LtL | my mistake, i missed that, sorry |
| 13:36.55 | untakenstupidnic | no problem |
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| 13:38.09 | reintegrated | LtL: OK no it's not in syslog or messages, only in dmesg |
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| 13:42.55 | reintegrated | LtL: Sorry, my mistake, it *was* in syslog - but the options we entered in the .conf file seems to be stopping it getting logged now - but only is syslog, it's still showing up in dmesg |
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| 13:44.04 | reintegrated | So looks like what you advised worked, just not for dmesg oputput. |
| 13:46.14 | reintegrated | Again, I would prefer to fix the issue obviously, but googling gspca_sn9c20x brings up lots of issues, but nothing relating to URB errors that I can see. |
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| 13:51.08 | LtL | reintegrated: yeah, you may not prevent the kernel from printing it, but certainly the log files |
| 13:51.45 | reintegrated | Hmm well that's a start. But if I'm on the console it constantly prints it on screen obviously. |
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| 13:52.03 | reintegrated | Will have to continue looking for a fix then I guess. |
| 13:52.17 | reintegrated | Or just bin this webcam and get a better one. lol |
| 13:52.42 | LtL | reintegrated: maybe a newer kernel might stop that, but that's a slight hassle to do considering the the message, as long as the device works. |
| 13:53.06 | reintegrated | LtL: Yeah my thoughts exactly. Not worth the hassle. |
| 13:53.29 | reintegrated | Thanks for the help though, at least I know how to prevent stuff from filling my logs now, I call that a win. :) |
| 13:53.47 | LtL | reintegrated: outstanding, happy to help |
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| 14:00.49 | LtL | reintegrated: if it prints on the screen, a fix would be redirect the error to /dev/null but i'm not sure where to accomplish that |
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| 14:06.49 | LtL | reintegrated: as per usual, arch wiki's rule. maybe you'll find something useful here, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Webcam_setup |
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| 14:34.37 | reintegrated | LtL: Thanks, I shall give that a looking into. :) |
| 14:35.15 | LtL | reintegrated: have a good day :) |
| 14:35.36 | flayer | somebody took my potatoes |
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| 15:15.16 | tinkertiger | Has 'lsmod' been depricated in Bullseye? |
| 15:17.04 | annadane | may want to ask that in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:17.59 | annadane | tinkertiger, |
| 15:18.38 | tinkertiger | Ohak, thanks. |
| 15:19.02 | LtL | tinkertiger: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/kmod/lsmod.8.en.html |
| 15:19.12 | LtL | so, no |
| 15:19.28 | tinkertiger | Interesting. Thanks. |
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| 15:20.52 | annadane | feels stupid |
| 15:22.00 | tinkertiger | Linux can do that to you. Don't let it stop you! |
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| 15:35.10 | LtL | tinkertiger: wise words :) |
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| 15:37.15 | tinkertiger | I have been using Unix/Linux for 30 years and am still learning. |
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| 15:40.47 | annadane | what i should have said is "lsmod is a tool i hadn't heard of being deprecated before so it's unlikely to happen in testing" but linking the man page also works |
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| 15:41.00 | annadane | but, i have no brain whatsoever, so... |
| 15:41.15 | LtL | 20 years here, ð |
| 15:44.52 | tinkertiger | annadane: My problem is that it wasn't automagically installed when I moved to testing and I wasn't finding it in the listing. |
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| 16:04.29 | tinkertiger | Well, I'm going to switch to that computer and see if I an get things to work. Thanks again. |
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| 16:09.11 | RhineDevil | What's the best way to check if there's a mismatch between /var/lib/apt/lists/[...]_InRelease "Suite" value and this repo current "Suite" value? |
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| 16:12.47 | jhutchins | RhineDevil: read the files. |
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| 16:13.01 | LtL | RhineDevil: do you get a suite error using apt-get? i can't answer that question directly |
| 16:13.27 | jhutchins | I believe you can just delete the files and they will be replaced by apt update. |
| 16:14.00 | RhineDevil | LtL, I solved that problem, I'm currently pushing upstream fixes to lxc-templates repo and in some cases this becomes a problem |
| 16:14.01 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. When running apt update, does the list of urls it checks get longer the longer one goes between updates? |
| 16:14.28 | RhineDevil | Because it would be nice to detect if there's a mismatch |
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| 16:15.55 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: it only checks the URL's in your sources.list, so i would say no |
| 16:17.06 | LtL | RhineDevil: you might try, # apt-get update --allow-releaseinfo-change |
| 16:17.30 | Lady_Aleena | Ltl, https://paste.debian.net/1156037/ is my sources list and the urls it checked just a moment ago. |
| 16:17.42 | RhineDevil | LtL, I know that command, but should happen only when the template notices there's a mismatch |
| 16:18.59 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: you are using 64 bit and 32 bit, plus backports, so thats fairly normal |
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| 16:19.36 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, okay, though I am now confused why it is using 32 bit. |
| 16:19.56 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: did you add architecture 386? |
| 16:20.10 | Lady_Aleena | I am assuming that is the i386 entries on the list. |
| 16:20.16 | LtL | yes |
| 16:20.37 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I don't know if I did it consciously or not. |
| 16:20.39 | LtL | looks like you backport a lot |
| 16:21.03 | nvz | one common reason for i386 these days is use of some sort of wine/crossover stuff |
| 16:21.05 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, as far as I know, I've not used any buster backports. |
| 16:21.42 | nvz | I typically install crossover on a lot of machines and i386 ensures compatibility with those windows apps |
| 16:21.52 | Lady_Aleena | I backported a lot in Wheezy and Jessie, but not Buster. |
| 16:22.01 | untakenstupidnic | nvz: is it free? |
| 16:22.38 | Lady_Aleena | But if that list of urls it checks is normal, I'll not worry about it. |
| 16:22.43 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: so this is dist-upgrade machine? it's normal output then |
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| 16:23.15 | nvz | untakenstupidnic: well.. no.. there was a time many years ago when GWB was POTUS when they did a lame duck presidential challenge and issued a list of conditions that if any were met they'd give their stuff away for free until the end of the month, and when gas prices dropped below $3 they started giving away crossover 7 I think it was at the time |
| 16:23.41 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I think so. I think I installed Jessie on the drive fresh, then dist-upgraded to stretch, then buster (in a short period of time). |
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| 16:24.23 | nvz | I still have the crossover 7 stuff.. but I'm on crossover 17 these days.. it has a nice bit of wizardry and GUI that makes things real simple.. and its not that expensive (about $40) and is worth it in some cases |
| 16:24.25 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: not a problem, normal output.. its still checking for those updates still |
| 16:24.39 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, then I won't worry. Thank you. |
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| 16:24.58 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: you're welcome |
| 16:26.19 | Lady_Aleena | I should update more often. |
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| 16:27.44 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, since when do I need to restart Firefox after an update? |
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| 16:30.04 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Since when do you not? |
| 16:30.25 | nulleip | is there any package to improve svg renderization on debian? |
| 16:30.29 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I've never had Firefox TELL me to restart it before this last update. |
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| 16:32.17 | annadane | newer versions of firefox do that |
| 16:32.33 | annadane | they'll prevent you from visiting URLs if a firefox update (hence restart) is required |
| 16:32.36 | nulleip | I mean, which packages/config should I be looking that deal with svg for Debian? For example, in my firefox svg+xml stuff is pretty ugly |
| 16:32.41 | annadane | i assume you mean firefox latest and not esr |
| 16:33.20 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, I have 68.10.0esr (64-bit) |
| 16:33.42 | annadane | the debian package? hm, interesting that it should tell you |
| 16:34.13 | annadane | anyway, you *should* restart firefox after a firefox update |
| 16:34.19 | annadane | otherwise the changes won't take effect |
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| 16:35.25 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, I know, but sometimes I'm working on something, and I don't want to lose my place, but that is a minor inconvenience. |
| 16:35.40 | nvz | I personally only ever seen firefox say to restart after installing plugins.. but that was ages ago.. I rarely use firefox other than for "apps" cause I find it easier to make icons with custom userChrome.css and profiles to launch things totally chromeless and make em look like apps.. I do that for netflix and such |
| 16:36.21 | nvz | browsers these days use db backends and dont really have issues with losing anything across restarts |
| 16:36.33 | nvz | everything you do is entered into a db that can easily be restored |
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| 16:37.00 | nvz | both chromium and firefox-esr will say upon relaunch something like do you want to restore your last session? |
| 16:38.06 | nvz | since all your tabs and form data and crap is put into something like an sqlite database as you do it, doesnt matter if it crashes or was manually restarted, the browser has it all recorded for recovery |
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| 16:38.52 | LtL | there was a firefox-esr update very recently, that would prompt a restart had it been running. |
| 16:39.16 | nlpqda | Unknow issue is going on my debian buster box, 1) after every reboot I must manually modprobe snd-hda-intel 2) everytime plug in/out headset the sound goes mute until I #alsamixer > unmute Speaker! can anyone recommend what to do other than reinstalling OS? |
| 16:40.02 | nlpqda | 2nd issue seems to becaused by the 1st driving thing |
| 16:40.09 | nlpqda | driver* |
| 16:42.56 | tinkertiger | 'lsmod' showed up but unfortunately didn't help me solve my isue! hahaha |
| 16:44.48 | nvz | nlpqda: (apt policy;systemctl status alsa-restore;systemctl status alsa-state;lsmod;pkexec journalctl -k)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 16:48.00 | nlpqda | thank you, I'll give a try |
| 16:48.19 | nvz | yeah thats just to compile a log for us to see whats up.. it will return a URL |
| 16:48.34 | nvz | you'd need to paste the url here so we can see whats going on |
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| 16:49.08 | nvz | this is something that definately should not happen... those commands should reveal an issue |
| 16:51.46 | nvz | if you'd like to review the log first or need explaination of the commands thats fine, but without further information we can't really guess at such an issue |
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| 16:58.29 | jhutchins | nlpqda: Which release are you on? |
| 16:58.57 | nvz | jhutchins: the stated claim is buster.. which is why I asked for more information |
| 16:59.26 | jhutchins | Oh, yeah, right there, first line. |
| 16:59.35 | nvz | I think I covered most bases aside from blacklisting, but that should be somewhat apparent from the information I've requested none the less |
| 16:59.57 | jhutchins | ,v irssi |
| 16:59.58 | judd | Package: irssi on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-2; bullseye: 1.2.2-1+b1; sid: 1.2.2-1+b1 |
| 17:00.11 | nlpqda | jhutchins: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) |
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| 17:00.31 | nvz | we'll need to ask dozens more questions if you don't just compile the log and give us the url |
| 17:00.40 | jhutchins | nlpqda: THanks, nvz pointed out you had already posted that. Definitely unusual. |
| 17:00.50 | jhutchins | nlpqda: Laptop? |
| 17:01.05 | nvz | all these questions would be answered conclusively by the command I provided |
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| 17:03.41 | nlpqda | nvz: yeah they will be answreed + a lot more information you're not authorized to know. |
| 17:04.15 | nvz | only some mac addresses and such.. if you wanna play a million questions thats fine too.. but I personally dont have the time for it right this minute |
| 17:04.37 | nvz | I have proposed a lot of things to try address this.. creating a comprehensive support system that among other things sterilizes such logs |
| 17:04.44 | nvz | but as of now we dont have any such things |
| 17:05.12 | Lady_Aleena | What command gets me my debian version? |
| 17:05.27 | nvz | chances are if you can't fix an issue like this, you are at greater risk from just owning and using a computer than the trivial bits of info the kernel spits out |
| 17:05.38 | nlpqda | I maybe newbie but I'm not stupid to give you access to my logs without even telling me that's what you're to do ..and I believe that is illegel and should mind your commands |
| 17:06.07 | nvz | yes, I understand your concerns.. and as I said I could explain what the commands do if you like |
| 17:06.10 | Lady_Aleena | And I mean more than Debian 10 (buster). |
| 17:06.14 | nvz | hell Id even run it myself and post mine here |
| 17:09.26 | nvz | apt policy is only going to show us what repositories you have configured and the packages you've pinned if any, this helps us assure you're not using anything that may complicate the issue like 3rd party packages or misconfigured apt sources.. so we can reproduce the issue. the systemctl commands merely indicate if the two alsa services started and when, this tells us if the stuff that should be doing this |
| 17:09.26 | apt | ...but policy is already something else... |
| 17:09.32 | nvz | automatically is working, the lsmod merely shows what drivers you have loaded which tells us if you may have a conflicting driver, the journalctl -k outputs your kernels boot messages so we can see what exactly the kernel did at boot and if it complained about anything that would indicate why it didnt load this stuff automatically.. this is the bit that would contain potentially sensitive information but |
| 17:09.38 | nvz | mostly only things like MAC addresses which are hardware level and not things that would be useful attack vectors over the internet |
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| 17:09.45 | nvz | it'd also answer all the questions about what sort of system you have |
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| 17:10.23 | nvz | https://termbin.com/7aps |
| 17:10.45 | nvz | is what the output looks like from the system I'm on rigt now.. and I have little concern about sharing that information |
| 17:11.11 | nvz | google already knows far more than that about me |
| 17:12.40 | Lady_Aleena | nlpqda, why are you bulking at showing your logs? Logs are the best way for them to help you with your problems. |
| 17:13.17 | nvz | understandably concerned with the state of affairs these days.. which is why among my many proposals was sterilization of such log information |
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| 17:13.54 | Lady_Aleena | My logs are almost always a jumbled mess. |
| 17:13.58 | nvz | something that would replace any identifying stuff with generic infomation like ab:cd:ef:gh:ij:kl for mac addresses |
| 17:14.21 | Lady_Aleena | Good idea, I think... |
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| 17:15.03 | nvz | its a silly concern for situations like this, where a user isnt skilled enough to fix a problem, yet thinks their privacy/security is at risk (relatively signficant risk) compared to all the other shit they don't know about that collects info on them |
| 17:15.20 | nvz | but one that could be addressed none the less |
| 17:16.42 | nvz | it'd take hours for me to ask all the questions and get all the answers straight in my head |
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| 17:17.01 | nvz | where that command would be simple to run and I could read over it in a minute and see if anything stands out |
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| 17:18.31 | nvz | and a user that is too inexperienced to evalutate the threat vectors and such of such information, isn't going to be able to understand it enough to do it properly and could have us just running around in circles having missed something painfully obvious |
| 17:19.21 | nvz | to quote Greg House, "if you don't trust antibiotics, you shouldnt trust doctors [walks out of the exam room]" |
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| 17:19.40 | Lady_Aleena | Want logs? I'll post mine for you to look at for fun. 8) |
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| 17:20.48 | Lady_Aleena | I have a feeling my system is limping along most of the time with all the mixed up crap I have on it. |
| 17:21.04 | nvz | I am not skilled enough to pull off my ambitious ideas for an integrated support system that addresses all these issues by myself, and its not getting much steam.. and furthermore such people too inexperienced to trust us anyhow, whos to say they'd even trust such a system either |
| 17:21.26 | nvz | they're probably the kinds of people who wont send crash reports for apps that already do such things like sterilizing information |
| 17:22.09 | Lady_Aleena | I'd love for my system to be optimal, but with all the crap that is all mixed up, I doubt it will ever happen. |
| 17:23.06 | Lady_Aleena | What is the most common log by the way? |
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| 17:23.16 | nvz | I dont think there is such a thing |
| 17:23.29 | nvz | journalctl kinda mashes most of it together |
| 17:23.37 | nvz | if you just run plain ol journalctl |
| 17:23.55 | nvz | but thats too much information for most people to parse and too much to fit in termbin or such |
| 17:24.13 | nvz | journalctl -k is only the kernel messages from boot |
| 17:24.30 | nvz | roughly equiv to the old /var/log/dmesg |
| 17:24.41 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, what reader does journalctl and how do I get to the end quickly? |
| 17:25.01 | nvz | I think the -e option is what scrolls to the end automatically |
| 17:25.12 | nvz | I'm still learning the whole systemd crap :P |
| 17:25.29 | LtL | journalctl -f follows it starting at the end, iirc |
| 17:25.43 | nvz | often the errors say to use -xe |
| 17:26.39 | nvz | most the logs are still there in the traditional format, but /var/log/dmesg that used to be created at boot by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is no longer there |
| 17:26.51 | nvz | afaik journalctl -k is the only way to get that anymore |
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| 17:27.16 | Lady_Aleena | Even journalctl -k was long. |
| 17:27.41 | nvz | yeah it covers all that the kernel had to say about booting up.. detecting hardware and such |
| 17:28.00 | nvz | will show things like missing firmware, modules failing to load, conflicts, etc.. |
| 17:28.16 | Lady_Aleena | I have a LOT of IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): <string>: link is not ready |
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| 17:30.43 | nvz | a log sterilizer I could probably manage on my own.. you'd need a lot of regex and for it to compile a database of sorts of all matching information so that it conisistently sterilized every occurance of the same match |
| 17:31.18 | nvz | cause you cant just blank out the info.. you'd need to still be able to figure out if stuff is as it should be |
| 17:31.36 | nvz | but you could replace it with generic information |
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| 17:33.20 | Lady_Aleena | That would be a LOT of work to figure out all possible places sensitive information could pop up. |
| 17:33.39 | nvz | you dont need to figure out where it'd pop up.. c'mon you're a perl programmer :P |
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| 17:33.51 | nvz | you just need to have the right regexes to match the type of data |
| 17:34.12 | nvz | matching ip addresses, mac addresses, etc.. and sterilizing that from ANY data |
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| 17:35.01 | nvz | but doing so consistently.. every time it finds a match it needs to record the ACTUAL information so every time THAT SPECIFIC match occurs it sterilizes it with the same generic string |
| 17:35.37 | libertycity | Hello, I wanted to comment on several things |
| 17:35.48 | nvz | everytime 192.168.1.1 comes up it needs to be the same 1.2.3.4 and such |
| 17:35.54 | Lady_Aleena | libertycity, you don't have to ask to comment, just comment. 8) |
| 17:37.13 | Lady_Aleena | Everyone should feel free to barge in as they will unless it is trolling, then no. |
| 17:37.32 | libertycity | Lady_Aleena, Thank you |
| 17:37.35 | Lady_Aleena | barges in all the time. |
| 17:38.09 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, have fun with that. 8) |
| 17:38.31 | libertycity | I have tried to speak this in # debian-es, but nobody speaks there. Nice to see a chat alive, like this one |
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| 17:39.03 | Lady_Aleena | I've been playing with Perl::Critic lately, and my code is awful according to it. |
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| 17:39.38 | libertycity | Forgive my English, I use Google translator "spanish-english" |
| 17:39.41 | Lady_Aleena | wanders to -offtopic. |
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| 17:40.56 | nvz | I sometimes sit in -es just to try lighten the load, but my spanish isn't excellent :P |
| 17:41.21 | libertycity | First of all, comment that there is an error in the chromium package of the repositories, due to which, the browser window closes suddenly. It happens very often, every hour or every several hours |
| 17:42.11 | libertycity | happened to me first in Debian Stable with XFCE, a few days or a few weeks ago. Currently this error still occurs to me, being on Debian Testing with GNOME |
| 17:43.12 | nvz | yes I've had the issue on my sid box too.. I haven't seen it on buster yet.. but I also havent updated recently |
| 17:43.21 | nvz | its quite annoying |
| 17:43.40 | libertycity | I was surprised to see that in Testing the error was still |
| 17:46.00 | libertycity | nvz, so is it reported? |
| 17:47.19 | nvz | I dont know the status of it to be honest.. since I havent experienced the issue on my stable box I havent looked into it |
| 17:47.40 | nvz | I do however know many people I talk to regularly are also aware of it so I'd assume so, yes. |
| 17:49.38 | nvz | one of the issues that annoys me is that with our recent changes to how we handle things like browsers, allowing them to update more frequently even in stable, we are also often removing old packages from the repos which makes it harder to just roll back when something like this happens |
| 17:49.40 | libertycity | nvz, Okay. Thanks for the info |
| 17:50.26 | nvz | all I can really say is that if it concerns you, apt update, apt upgrade, and check the bts, file a bug if need be |
| 17:54.31 | libertycity | I have no experience with reporting errors, I have never done it, really. So I wanted to comment here |
| 17:56.20 | libertycity | I imagine that it is a common mistake for most users, and that some have already reported it |
| 17:56.46 | libertycity | Another thing I wanted to comment on is the following |
| 17:57.01 | nvz | well, there is the package reportbug which kind of walks you through the process of reporting errors |
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| 17:58.22 | annadane | nvz turning to the dark side :D |
| 17:59.50 | libertycity | nvz, Ok, I'll look at it. It is clear that it will ever have to be the first time ^^ |
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| 18:01.11 | nvz | yes, there is always going to be a first time for everything |
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| 18:02.03 | pixan | hi |
| 18:02.03 | nvz | I personally don't like reportbug at all.. but it may help you, as it steps you through the process which includes looking up existing bugs, and showing you a template of what information you should provide and such |
| 18:02.19 | nvz | it also fills in some of the more trivial information like the proper package name and version for you |
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| 18:04.16 | libertycity | Good! |
| 18:04.53 | libertycity | The other issue: since there is no official Google Drive client for Linux, I am trying to create an automatic synchronization system between my / home and "my drive" of Google Drive |
| 18:05.31 | libertycity | */home |
| 18:06.27 | libertycity | I'm testing it with Gnome's "Online Accounts" |
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| 18:07.26 | pixan | i have added debug-debian bullseye to sources.list in order to install firefox-esr-dbgsym. the apt command says unmet dependencies on firefox-esr-dbgsym : Depends: firefox-esr (= 68.10.0esr-1) but 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1 is to be installed |
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| 18:08.29 | libertycity | So that I can, on the one hand, make the connection with "Online Accounts" to my "Drive", and on the other hand, make the synchronization between one route and another |
| 18:10.20 | libertycity | the problem is that to mount the Google Drive unit, it is done from the "Files" browser, with a marker added to it. And what I would like to know is the command used by that marker, to be able to launch it and do the assembly from the terminal |
| 18:11.15 | nvz | libertycity: yes well that is a problem with such things, as they use gvfsd typically, which is not visible outside things like GNOME |
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| 18:13.02 | nvz | libertycity: if in fact this uses gvfs, the package gvfs-fuse may be of use as it provides a FUSE (Filesystem in User-Space) driver to mount gvfs volumes like normal disks |
| 18:14.43 | pixan | is there better way to ask this or better keywords to STFW? |
| 18:15.31 | nvz | pixan: the support channel for bullseye and sid is on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) and is called #debian-next for what its worth. Idk what to suggest to you other than try installing it with an --ignore-depends-version type thing |
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| 18:16.25 | nvz | seems to me like this was just packaged incorrectly (its likely done automatically) or you're using the wrong repo/package for your system.. |
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| 18:16.57 | pixan | repo is bullseye and system is buster in that case |
| 18:17.17 | nvz | either way the automatic creation of and use of debug packages is something Debian Developers and Debian Maintainers would likely be more familiar with than debian users.. and you're more likely to find DM/DD on OFTC than here |
| 18:17.28 | nvz | as OFTC is the official irc network of Debian |
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| 18:17.47 | libertycity | nvz, Yes, but that way I wouldn't even know where to start. What I wanted was to be able to use the "online accounts" feature included in the repositories. I was looking at other packages for the same purpose (mount Google Drive on Linux), and they all forced to add third-party repositories, something I don't want |
| 18:17.49 | pixan | DMDD ? |
| 18:18.24 | pixan | oh i just saw above |
| 18:18.57 | pixan | thanks i will down that road |
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| 18:19.24 | nvz | channels like #debian-next, #debian-mentors and such on OFTC are far more likely to be frequented by actual members of the Debian Project who'd be more familiar with those things |
| 18:19.40 | nvz | libertycity: well you have already started by enabling google drive in GNOME |
| 18:19.49 | Admiral_Purr | pixan, is it safe to do that? |
| 18:20.06 | Admiral_Purr | Using Bullseye repos on Buster I mean |
| 18:20.15 | nvz | libertycity: I can perhaps try it in a vm and see if _I_ can do it then either explain it to you or give you a video |
| 18:22.05 | pixan | Admiral_Purr glad apt refused before i crash the system |
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| 18:23.45 | Admiral_Purr | pixan, yeah. Bullseye repos on Buster would leads to a Frankendebian |
| 18:25.06 | libertycity | nvz, I don't know if I would really be willing to do that test, but I would be very grateful to him since I have been trying this project for several weeks |
| 18:27.20 | libertycity | nvz, effectively I would already have Google Drive enabled in my Debian Gnome, mounting the unit with the click of a button. The next thing I need is that this assembly can be automated, and I imagine that the only way would be to do it from the terminal, although I am open to other simple suggestions to implement |
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| 18:29.16 | libertycity | *I am open to other suggestions, simple to implement (google translator ¬¬) |
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| 18:34.00 | nvz | libertycity: ok, all you'd need to do is apt install gvfs-fuse |
| 18:35.12 | nvz | libertycity: then your google drive would be available in your XDG_RUNTIME_DIR i.e. /run/user/1000/google-drive\:host\=gmail.com\,user\=yourname/ |
| 18:35.33 | nvz | you could then perhaps link it somewhere else if you like |
| 18:37.40 | nvz | libertycity: you can type echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in the terminal to see where your XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is then look under there for a gvfs/ dir and in there should be your google drive |
| 18:38.14 | nvz | libertycity: after installing gvfs-fuse that is.. and if you want, to make it easier you can use ln -s to create a symlink to it somewhere you can find it easier |
| 18:39.40 | nvz | gvfs-fuse really needs some documentation because its use isnt straight-forward |
| 18:39.51 | nvz | who'd think to look in that location for it :P |
| 18:40.29 | nvz | there is no readme or manpage or anything in the package |
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| 18:40.46 | nvz | and its operation is all automagic |
| 18:44.05 | libertycity | nvz, But that procedure, would it allow me to automatically mount the Drive unit when starting the system for example? |
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| 18:45.12 | nvz | libertycity: the GNOME settings you configured to login to your google account should take care of that, and anything on gvfs will be automatically put there by gvfs-fuse in the $XDR_RUNTIME_DIR/gvfs/ |
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| 18:46.31 | libertycity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.25 | libertycity | nvz, I need a manual for dummies |
| 18:51.13 | karlpinc | libertycity: Honestly, it does seem hard to find. The manual for dummies is: "type findmnt" to see what's mounted. :-) |
| 18:51.31 | nvz | libertycity: ln -s /run/user/1000/gvfs/google-drive\:host\=gmail.com\,user\=yourname/ /home/user/gdrive |
| 18:51.35 | nvz | or something like that |
| 18:51.54 | nvz | and that doesnt work with gvfs-fuse I dont think |
| 18:52.00 | nvz | it doesnt show up in df output or suc |
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| 18:54.22 | nvz | but its not just the terminal that doesnt see gvfs, kodi and such cant see gvfs things either... gvfs-fuse is handy as hell, its just a bit rough around the edges |
| 18:54.37 | libertycity | nvz, the point is that this route is only available when the unit has been mounted |
| 18:55.08 | karlpinc | nvz: Does it not show because it's fuse/userspace? |
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| 18:55.23 | nvz | karlpinc: probably |
| 18:56.07 | nvz | and thus not in /etc/mtab |
| 18:57.40 | nvz | the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is about as remote and foreign a place to most users as the depths of the windows registry would be to windows users |
| 18:58.53 | nvz | I can see why its done that way though.. to make it a standard that can be applied to all without overriding policies like the FHS or such, and without being b0rked by site-specific or distro-specific stuff |
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| 18:59.53 | nvz | a tiny bit of documentation on the package and perhaps a helper program to create/maintain links or such wouldnt hurt |
| 19:00.31 | libertycity | karlpinc, "type findmnt" to see what's mounted. With this could you see the command executed to launch the Google Drive drive mount by Gnome "online accounts"? |
| 19:00.35 | nvz | it is however really handy and dead simple to use |
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| 19:01.19 | nvz | just a bit confusing at first |
| 19:01.46 | nvz | figuring out that it all happens automatically and is using the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/gvfs |
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| 19:02.19 | nvz | anything you mount in gvfs.. ftp, smb, nfs, webdav, whatever will show up there |
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| 19:02.46 | nvz | the mounting of gvfs is handled by whatever DE is driving gvfs |
| 19:03.12 | nvz | and in my experience (as a mate user) the auto-mounting of gvfs is far from perfect |
| 19:03.51 | nvz | but I'd think, if you sign into google in GNOME settings, it'd do it automatically on login |
| 19:03.58 | nvz | though just even firing up my GNOME vm makes me sick |
| 19:04.08 | nvz | the interface is just so f'n cumbersome to use |
| 19:04.20 | nvz | you gotta literally search for stuff that could easily be in reach |
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| 19:05.20 | nvz | its made for people with no damn experience that will do one thing at a time, and dont want to be bothered with tradional interfaces where stuff is just organized into a normal menu |
| 19:05.30 | libertycity | nvz, Do you mean that what I want is not easily within reach? |
| 19:05.35 | nvz | its painful as all hell to try tradionally compute in GNOME |
| 19:05.48 | nvz | libertycity: have you ever used a computer before? :D |
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| 19:06.08 | nvz | nothing else out there works the way gnome does except maybe MacOS X |
| 19:06.34 | annadane | #makexfcethedefault |
| 19:06.54 | nvz | there are not just clean categories in a menu.. you don't just click Applications > Internet > Firefox.. you gotta go hunt for it all mashed in with everything else or use the search bar to find it |
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| 19:07.06 | nvz | I know exactly where firefox is on EVERY OTHER DE |
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| 19:07.19 | nvz | where it is on any GNOME system depends on how much crap is installed |
| 19:07.51 | nvz | and I dont wanna have to involve my keyboard to click a launcher icon by searching for a damn icon that should just be SOMEWHER _CONSISTENTLY_ |
| 19:08.20 | nvz | trying to do anything in GNOME is just a headache to me |
| 19:08.52 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.02 | libertycity | nvz, Thanks to the Gnome extensions, I have a classic menu, where all the applications appear sorted by categories. |
| 19:09.02 | libertycity | But I will tell you that my desktop has always been XFCE, until I find something I cannot do there, and I go up to GNOME |
| 19:09.40 | diogenes_ | nvz, who forces you to use GNOME? |
| 19:09.51 | nvz | nobody other than users who need support for it :P |
| 19:10.12 | nvz | and I do it cause I care about Debian and its users.. |
| 19:10.31 | nvz | even if they insist on using ridiculous stuff you gotta HACK to make it usable |
| 19:10.42 | diogenes_ | bravo nvz you deserve a cookie :) |
| 19:11.19 | nvz | na, I deserve some pepto bismol.. I'd probably just regurgitate the cookie |
| 19:13.39 | libertycity | nvz, I am an XFCE user normally, as I say. |
| 19:13.40 | libertycity | A few days ago I had to switch to Gnome, precisely because I could not configure "online accounts" in XFCE, despite the fact that there are articles where the procedure is indicated |
| 19:14.51 | nvz | libertycity: it may just be that the stable version of XFCE in Debian is before those features were implemented |
| 19:15.40 | nvz | GNOME has been around decades, XFCE is relatively young, it still has a long way to go before its as mature as GNOME or MATE |
| 19:15.56 | libertycity | nvz, However, I don't see anything wrong with Gnome, I like his approach. It takes great advantage of keyboard shortcuts. It is pleasing to the eye. |
| 19:15.56 | libertycity | I just end up going back to XFCE for resource consumption, from Gnome |
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| 19:16.41 | nvz | libertycity: as you learn the inner workings of your Desktop Environment you can start mixing and matching the things you like and create a custom setup |
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| 19:17.20 | nvz | problem is bloated DE like GNOME are becoming so integrated you are needing more and more components just to make certain things work |
| 19:17.55 | nvz | but most the DE share common things like gvfs, dconf, etc.. |
| 19:18.12 | nvz | they just implement their own session managers, configuration daemons, etc.. |
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| 19:18.37 | nvz | KDE is the exception as they have all their own stuff.. use KIO instead of gvfs and such |
| 19:18.58 | nvz | but for the most part Cinnamon, MATE, XFCE, GNOME all share a lot of the backend stuff |
| 19:20.53 | libertycity | nvz, Yes, of course I'm more of GTK |
| 19:21.37 | libertycity | I am always between Gnome and Xfce, depending on what you need. I really like both |
| 19:21.46 | annadane | unless of course you use nvidia's proprietary special snowflake which uses some of its own stuff |
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| 19:38.22 | libertycity | I'm looking at things like "gvfs-mount". Would it be possible to configure "fstab" to mount my Google Drive at startup? |
| 19:38.57 | nvz | libertycity: doesnt signing into google in gnome settings cause it to do that? |
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| 19:39.38 | nvz | if they make you go through finding that settings app, navigating in there, signing in, only to not make it persistent thats just ignorant |
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| 19:41.04 | nvz | restores the state of his GNOME vm and reboots it |
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| 19:43.01 | annadane | Grated Nerves Of Much Experience |
| 19:43.04 | annadane | or something |
| 19:43.40 | nvz | yes, my vm just stays signed in to google |
| 19:43.58 | nvz | all I did was open GNOME settings, go to online accounts, type my user and password |
| 19:44.09 | nvz | (I already had gvfs-fuse installed) |
| 19:45.21 | nvz | ah, no.. it just keeps it in the side bar.. doesnt actually "mount" it |
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| 19:50.20 | libertycity | nvz, what does that mean? |
| 19:52.03 | nvz | means I understand your problem now :D |
| 19:52.13 | libertycity | nvz, indeed i have also installed the gvfs-fuse package from system installation |
| 19:52.25 | nvz | I'm looking into it.. but gnome is frustrating.. it wont just show me wth it calls this mount |
| 19:52.35 | nvz | cause its too cool to just have an address bar |
| 19:52.51 | nvz | when I type / to show it, it disappears soon as I try blank it out and see the current location again |
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| 19:54.39 | nvz | obviously its not smb:// anything |
| 19:54.46 | nvz | gio mount would probably be the command |
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| 19:54.55 | nvz | but wth the LOCATION is, is beyond me |
| 19:55.06 | nvz | cause its too cool to show you that kinda stuff |
| 19:55.34 | nvz | and you'd just run that from your session manager's startup apps |
| 19:56.08 | nvz | all it shows me is my email address |
| 19:56.16 | nvz | but gio mount my@email.com doesnt work |
| 19:56.22 | nvz | it has no idea what I'm talking about |
| 19:57.21 | libertycity | nvz, I get it |
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| 19:57.54 | nvz | maybe if I install a filemanger that doesnt suck it'll show me :P |
| 19:58.42 | jmcnaught | did you try Ctrl+L in nautilus? |
| 19:58.46 | nvz | gio mount -l shows it.. but doesnt show anything meaningful to gio mount |
| 19:59.00 | nvz | ah there it is.. brilliand jmcnaught |
| 19:59.12 | nvz | its google-drive://my@email.com |
| 19:59.43 | nvz | see.. ya gotta HACK gnome to figure this crap out.. gotta be one of the cool kids :P |
| 20:00.23 | nvz | yes, that works |
| 20:00.27 | libertycity | :D |
| 20:00.40 | nvz | gio mount google-drive://youremail@gmail.com |
| 20:00.47 | nvz | just need to have that run as a startup command |
| 20:01.24 | nvz | and that should solve your issue |
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| 20:02.35 | nvz | that and a sane symlink to the gvfs-fuse mountpoint |
| 20:05.04 | nvz | if they were really the /cool/ kids, they'd have the f'n cute lil UI where you sign into google just do all this for you |
| 20:05.37 | libertycity | nvz, I can't believe they are that simple! |
| 20:07.20 | nvz | I can't believe they went from what it was in GNOME 2.x to /this/ |
| 20:07.29 | libertycity | nvz, One question: why create a healthy symbolic link to the gvfs-fuse mount point? What function does it have? |
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| 20:07.38 | nvz | GNOME 2.x now known as MATE all this stuff was far simpler |
| 20:08.17 | nvz | libertycity: because navigating to that obscure XDG_RUNTIME_DIR with a bunch of escape chars in the terminal is a headache |
| 20:08.37 | nvz | who wants to deal with filenames with : and = and , and crap in it? |
| 20:09.27 | nvz | its like having filenames that begin with -- or something |
| 20:09.32 | nvz | its just annoying |
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| 20:19.10 | libertycity | nvz, I do not understand. Would not it be enough to indicate the address of the mount point, when synchronizing? Example: /run/user/1000/gvfs/google-drive:host=gmail.com,user=my.email |
| 20:19.41 | libertycity | *address = route |
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| 20:23.00 | libertycity | nvz, On the other hand, I do not know if you have verified that, once the Google Drive unit is mounted, when accessing it from the terminal, the names of the files and folders are different from how they appear in the browser (in google drive from the browser Web). This will affect something when syncing local folders on Google Drive? Is it a limitation imposed by Google? |
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| 20:31.20 | nvz | libertycity: you can't type that into a shell, you're gonna get an error |
| 20:31.51 | nvz | you gotta type /run/user/1000/gvfs/google-drive\:host\=gmail.com\,user\=my.email |
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| 20:32.13 | nvz | which is my point.. rather than type that, it'd be a whole lot easier to type /home/user/gdrive |
| 20:32.36 | nvz | when trying to use that kinda pathname on the shell and in scripts, its gonna be a pain |
| 20:33.36 | nvz | I have no idea how gdrive organizes files.. I've never intentionally used it.. it just throws crap in there from my emails |
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| 20:45.43 | libertycity | nvz, gio mount google-drive://my.email@gmail.com |
| 20:46.03 | libertycity | nvz, cd /run/user/1000/gvfs/google-drive:host=gmail.com,user=my.email |
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| 20:46.17 | libertycity | nvz, this does not produce any error in my terminal, and what it does is, first mount the drive (achieved thanks to you), and second change to the directory of the mounted drive |
| 20:47.51 | libertycity | nvz, but I understand that it is easier to work indicating the path of a symbolic link, like /home/user/gdrive |
| 20:50.28 | libertycity | nvz, Apart from simply shortening the text of the path, do you say it provides any more improvement? create problems working with full mount path, when syncing files? |
| 20:51.39 | libertycity | nvz, By the way, thank you very much for your help, it has been great to see how you have solved the problem of mounting the unit |
| 20:52.11 | Aebian | can someone point me in the right direction: I want my bluetooth speakers to connect using A2DP. However they alwatys connect with the headset profile and I then need to manually change it. |
| 20:54.43 | nvz | libertycity: no, its just about the path and not just the length but the fact that this google drive path contains special characters which could choak an improperly written command or script |
| 21:00.27 | libertycity | nvz, I get it. Okay, so I'll do it then using a symbolic link (I'll learn how to work with them before, since I barely have any experience with them on linux, unlike on windows). Thank you! It has been quite a job what you have done! :) |
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| 21:28.35 | Gigglebyte | Trying to recover the username and password for a guests's computer but the line now says root@(none):/# What went wrong? Shouldn't there be a username there? |
| 21:29.23 | rudi_s | Gigglebyte: That's fine when you've booted with init=/bin/sh; the hostname is missing. |
| 21:30.16 | rudi_s | If you boot normally it should have a proper hostname. |
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| 21:32.01 | Gigglebyte | rudi_s> So how do I find out the host name? i reset the password a couple of iterations ago. |
| 21:32.23 | rudi_s | Gigglebyte: cat /etc/hostname |
| 21:32.35 | libertycity | Good evening everyone, I will come back here every day automatically when I start my system ;) |
| 21:32.40 | Gigglebyte | rudi_s> |
| 21:32.46 | Gigglebyte | Thanks |
| 21:33.03 | rudi_s | np, not sure why you need the hostname though. |
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| 22:07.16 | Gigglebyte | Something else is wrong with this laptop. The power shuts off for no apparent reason, and it won't let me reboot unless I unplug it, and replug it in. |
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| 22:12.42 | LtL | Gigglebyte: just typing 'hostname' in a shell gives you hostname. You need to inspect your power settings/options, no idea why i would do that. |
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| 22:13.30 | LtL | s/i/it |
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| 22:32.29 | nvz | Gigglebyte: what kinda laptop is it? |
| 22:33.04 | Gigglebyte | Toshiba Satellite |
| 22:33.45 | Gigglebyte | I took windows off of it, and installed Debian Linux. |
| 22:33.59 | nvz | ah.. yeah in my experience those aren't very good.. I've seen issues on those I've seen on no other |
| 22:34.25 | nvz | one of the more common causes for powering off is heat |
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| 22:34.51 | Gigglebyte | It shuts off quickly. I suspect it is a power management thing, but the restart button doesn't work as well. I can only restart it if I completely unplug it, and replug it in. |
| 22:35.17 | Gigglebyte | nvz> Maybe I should check the fan? |
| 22:35.22 | brachamh | wouldn't hurt |
| 22:35.35 | brachamh | i've disassembled laptops and cleaned a fair bit of dust out of them |
| 22:35.38 | nvz | Gigglebyte: how old is it? |
| 22:36.15 | Gigglebyte | nvz> Don't know. The guest brought it here, but Toshiba is no longer making this so its old. It has a Windows Vista sticker on it, but the processor appears to be fast enough to Run Debian. |
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| 22:36.48 | blurkis | Gigglebyte: check sensors for temp-rising when its online. not sure how its done now, years ago it was lmsensors, |
| 22:37.01 | Gigglebyte | Windows Vista is likely early 2000s. |
| 22:37.15 | Gigglebyte | I bet the fan is out. |
| 22:37.22 | nvz | yeah I'd probably rip the cooling system apart, remove the fan, clean the radiator out with some hot water, let it dry, apply new thermal paste and replace the fan on a machine that old.. but really with a toshiba I'd just toss it :P |
| 22:37.25 | Gigglebyte | I think it is probably time to open the thing up. |
| 22:37.26 | brachamh | this laptop is a satelite with a win7 sticker on it |
| 22:37.47 | brachamh | runs debian buster just fine |
| 22:37.49 | Gigglebyte | Well it isn't my computer. So it is up to the guest. |
| 22:38.01 | Gigglebyte | brachamh> Yup |
| 22:38.15 | Gigglebyte | brachamh> Not win 7 sticker, but Win Vista sticker. |
| 22:38.29 | brachamh | i meant mine lol |
| 22:38.36 | brachamh | so mine is older yet |
| 22:38.37 | nvz | you can find people throwing out better machines than that one probably is :P |
| 22:39.06 | nvz | I've personally had to throw out two recently people had dumped on me |
| 22:39.15 | brachamh | you had to? |
| 22:39.21 | Gigglebyte | Windows Vista was early 2000s. |
| 22:39.26 | nvz | uh yeah, I'm not running a dump here :P |
| 22:39.34 | brachamh | wait...was vista before 7? |
| 22:39.45 | nvz | yes vista was /before/ win7 |
| 22:39.50 | Gigglebyte | brachamh> Windows Vista was many years before Win 7 |
| 22:39.51 | brachamh | oh. hahaha! |
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| 22:39.57 | brachamh | i never used it |
| 22:40.06 | Gigglebyte | However, the processor seems to be sufficiently fast to run Debian. |
| 22:40.10 | brachamh | win95/98, xp, 7, 10 |
| 22:40.30 | brachamh | xp and 7 were pretty decent |
| 22:40.35 | Gigglebyte | I suspect a thermal problem. Its time to open the sucker up, but I will do it later. I need to work on the yard, and process an incoming guests. |
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