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| 00:39.05 | nvz | o.O |
| 00:39.43 | nvz | I have a t440 and x240 and I dont need drivers.. just bought a minidp->hdmi thing and plugged it in |
| 00:40.52 | nvz | though I dont use it anymore cause I got 3 docks now that have 5 different video ports on em |
| 00:42.32 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:44.08 | nvz | swift110-phone__: ah, does yours have the optimus and nvidia? |
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| 01:11.04 | LtL | my T530 has optimus nvidia, but i don't use it, bumblebee is a POS |
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| 01:22.31 | nvz | yeah idk.. I never had a machine with optimus and I dont really want to.. my two thinkpads dont have discrete graphics. |
| 01:22.44 | nvz | I wouldnt mind having discrete graphics, but not with that optimus crap |
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| 01:33.39 | ZadPartout | !dpkg apt |
| 01:33.39 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 01:33.57 | ZadPartout | !help |
| 01:34.09 | nvz | ZadPartout: please do not abuse the bots |
| 01:34.17 | ZadPartout | nvz: don't think i am |
| 01:34.31 | ZadPartout | looking for the one that lists how to ask apt questions |
| 01:34.36 | annadane | just ask |
| 01:34.43 | annadane | no particular format needed |
| 01:34.52 | nvz | ZadPartout: ask apt questions? |
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| 01:35.36 | ZadPartout | annadane: asrecall, says list output of various commands |
| 01:36.09 | nvz | ZadPartout: in the channel the bots are used to reference factoids relevant to support issues, you can access the factoid db for your own needs online on a website or by privately messaging the bot |
| 01:36.32 | nvz | dpkg, factoids? |
| 01:36.32 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 01:36.47 | ZadPartout | sigh |
| 01:37.02 | ZadPartout | maybe it was on OFTC, but think it was here |
| 01:37.08 | nvz | its the same bot |
| 01:37.14 | nvz | the factoids are the same |
| 01:37.27 | nvz | regardless of which channel or network its one |
| 01:37.32 | nvz | s/one/on/ |
| 01:37.49 | ZadPartout | i'm am 100% certain when I come here and say my apt is broken, someone throws a !dpkg command at me |
| 01:38.01 | nvz | !bat |
| 01:38.01 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:38.07 | ZadPartout | yes ty |
| 01:38.12 | nvz | np |
| 01:38.42 | annadane | if you're on debian stable, here is correct to ask; testing/sid -> #debian-next on irc.oftc.net network |
| 01:40.08 | nvz | dpkg, bat =~ s/apt-cache/apt/ |
| 01:40.08 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, nvz |
| 01:40.14 | nvz | :( |
| 01:40.47 | nvz | no botsnack for you! :P |
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| 01:42.08 | nvz | dpkg, factinfo bat |
| 01:42.08 | dpkg | bat -- created by dondelelcaro <n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Fri Sep 23 23:16:56 2005 (5405 days); it has been requested 3471 times, last by ZadPartout, 2m 18s ago; it has been locked by dondelelcaro. |
| 01:43.01 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I think perhaps we should replace apt-cache with apt in the <bat> factoid |
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| 01:46.36 | nvz | ZadPartout: fwiw, ! is a trigger to be used in place of saying dpkg.. you don't need to say both |
| 01:47.45 | nvz | goes back to gang banging in San Andreas |
| 01:48.46 | LtL | heh |
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| 02:38.21 | bigfluff | Been playing with KDE/Plasma today |
| 02:38.28 | bigfluff | Got to say, I really have enjoyed it |
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| 02:49.35 | annadane | plasma is interesting for sure, a bit much for what i want in a desktop but neat technologies nonetheless, it also makes me laugh and appreciate debian how people say the 5.14 it has behaves better than the buggy upstream versions (you'd tend to think you'd want the latest because kde is one of those 'it's best not to fall behind versions' things) |
| 02:51.04 | bigfluff | I had previously tried under Fedora, but had found Plasma to be somewhat buggy a couple years back. Gnome just doesn't feel desktop-like anymore, and I'm glad to see Debian's implementation of KDE is as solid and as stable as it is. |
| 02:53.31 | bigfluff | Today is my first time using tasksel to install a new DE post-install...that was easier than I would have imagined. |
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| 02:54.02 | bigfluff | Probably going to poke around the Xfce side of things, see what all that is about...then ultimately a clean-install at some point :) |
| 02:54.04 | annadane | i can't see myself switching away from xfce |
| 02:54.07 | annadane | haha |
| 02:54.09 | annadane | good timing |
| 02:54.46 | annadane | plasma is useless for me because my system is slow so i physically can't use it until i get a better hard drive |
| 02:55.06 | ryouma | weird reboot. computer crashed, probably due to power issues, booted it, and it took a while AFTER the getty to mount /home |
| 02:55.22 | ryouma | hmm maybe it is because i did ^C on "a start job is" nonsense? |
| 02:55.40 | ryouma | (stretch) |
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| 02:58.12 | metbsd | is it true that bullseye don't have security update? |
| 02:59.02 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
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| 03:06.11 | annadane | or rather, plasma itself isn't that slow but booting into it takes upwards of 20 seconds |
| 03:06.36 | bigfluff | Well, darn |
| 03:06.43 | bigfluff | Now I have found myself stuck between two great DE's |
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| 03:08.56 | bigfluff | Yeah, and after like 5 minutes poking around it looks like it's going to be Xfce... |
| 03:09.29 | bigfluff | Realling digging the 90's vibe lol |
| 03:09.42 | dvs | groovy! |
| 03:11.43 | annadane | it's just more intuitive to me and because it doesn't 'feel like' a desktop (which plasma, mate etc do) it stays out of the way |
| 03:12.39 | bigfluff | This is my internal conflict. I am very much a minimalist (yay, flip-phone!). Xfce feels minimal, but KDE feels minimal in the sense that it's all-inclusive... |
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| 03:14.25 | Whyvn | how can i get xfontsel to be able to view my ttf fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
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| 03:14.50 | Whyvn | it seems to only show a limited amount of fonts in /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
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| 03:24.14 | annadane | Whyvn, https://manpages.debian.org/buster/x11-utils/xfontsel.1.en.html seems to show under FILES: $XFILESEARCHPATH/XFontSel, that's all i know, maybe you can edit the variable to include that file path, i'm not certain |
| 03:26.53 | Whyvn | annadane: thank you |
| 03:36.59 | annadane | (isn't it nice to go "i'll take a crack at this one" rather than throw hands up and think you're useless?) |
| 03:38.39 | ryouma | bigfluff: window managers are more minimal |
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| 03:40.14 | somiaj | lxde use to be a fairly minimial but inclusive desktop, but I think it is mostly dead and has been replaced by a qt fork |
| 03:40.18 | ryouma | i don't even know what those desktop environments would actually do for me, other than run dbus and screensaver. if you are adventuresome, you can try emacs to do some of what they do. |
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| 03:41.49 | jayjo | what's the correct way to install packages to a USB drive in order to install on non-networked machines? It seems like apt-offline has been removed https://askubuntu.com/questions/1201110/sudo-apt-offline-install-not-updating - is something else preferred? |
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| 03:54.17 | nvz | ,i apt-zip |
| 03:54.18 | judd | No package named 'apt-zip' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 03:55.13 | nvz | ,v apt-offline |
| 03:55.14 | judd | Package: apt-offline on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.1; stretch: 1.7.2; buster-backports: 1.8.2-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.8.2-2; sid: 1.8.2-2 |
| 03:56.07 | nvz | jayjo: seems it had gotten removed in buster but its available in buster-backoprts |
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| 04:21.05 | jayjo | is apt-offline recommended? I also see a way to use apt-mirror (might be misunderstanding though) |
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| 04:48.31 | Solifugus | Which debian package has dch command? (trying to build a debian package) |
| 04:48.36 | Solifugus | (my first debian package_ |
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| 04:49.52 | nvz | ,file bin/dch |
| 04:49.57 | judd | Search for bin/dch in buster/amd64: devscripts: usr/bin/dch; pkg-haskell-tools: usr/lib/pkg-haskell-tools/bin/dch |
| 04:50.58 | nvz | Solifugus: fwiw you could've done the same on packages.debian.org |
| 04:55.49 | Solifugus | seems to be devscripts |
| 04:56.24 | nvz | indeed |
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| 05:08.45 | ni_o | howdy |
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| 05:15.33 | ni_o | anyone live in the greater LA area? |
| 05:16.01 | nvz | no, they all died |
| 05:16.18 | ni_o | lol |
| 05:16.25 | ni_o | apparently |
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| 05:18.36 | ni_o | I live in Long Beach, which in addition to covid, has been an even greater shitshow |
| 05:19.08 | nvz | you seem to be in the wrong channel. This is #debian, we do technical support of Debian stable here |
| 05:19.17 | nvz | perhaps you are looking for #debian-offtopic |
| 05:19.52 | ni_o | my mistake, thanks for the heads up |
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| 05:26.26 | Solifugus | In building a debian package, is there somewhere I can add a script for post install setup? |
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| 05:26.47 | Solifugus | not post really ... but setup beyond just moving files into place... |
| 05:27.10 | Solifugus | for example, need to add a user.. need to register the /etc/init.d script.. |
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| 05:27.27 | Solifugus | and would like to start the daemon |
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| 05:28.44 | Solifugus | or in short, after moving files.. how can I make the debian installer run a script to complete installation? |
| 05:29.00 | themill | Solifugus: adding a user and installing the initscript go into the maintainer scripts, specifically the postinst |
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| 05:29.47 | themill | much of that can be automated via helpers though, like dh_installinit |
| 05:29.54 | Solifugus | I will google for postinst |
| 05:37.06 | Solifugus | So preinst, postinst, prerm and postrm scripts go in the mypackage/debian folder? Along with control and changelog? |
| 05:38.31 | Solifugus | ..and make sure they give proper return codes and don't bomb if run multiple times... I am just assuming they go in the debian folder.. |
| 05:38.49 | Solifugus | I will put them there.. |
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| 05:49.27 | themill | yes. btw you might like #packaging or #debian-mentors, both on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:49.46 | themill | !maintscripts |
| 05:49.47 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
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| 08:07.27 | dutchfish | what are the implications of CVE-2017-7272, since it is reverted again for stable php 7.3? |
| 08:08.26 | dutchfish | (the fix) |
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| 08:18.50 | kreyren | How do i get d3dadapter9.so.1 on debian? |
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| 08:20.18 | kreyren | apparently libd3dadapter9-mesa_20.1.2-1_amd64.deb |
| 08:21.25 | ratrace | dutchfish: crafted urls, if not sanitized on input, may lead to wrong ports being used |
| 08:21.48 | kreyren | which doesn't seem to provide it o.o |
| 08:22.07 | dutchfish | ratrace, can i filter this on the firewall? |
| 08:22.56 | dutchfish | (for now) |
| 08:23.12 | dutchfish | port 80 isnt used that much anymore, anyway |
| 08:23.17 | ratrace | dutchfish: depends on the use case, but the nature of the bug and where fsockopen may be used is such that it affects outbound connections. at any rate, one should never use unsanitized inputs anywhere anyway, so I guess this is a (very) low impact thing |
| 08:23.33 | dutchfish | sure |
| 08:23.49 | dutchfish | ratrace, thanks for the feedback |
| 08:23.53 | ratrace | np |
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| 08:35.44 | kreyren | solved the issue by installing wine start libd3dadapter9-mesa:i386 |
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| 08:50.31 | darsie | Has there been malware in debian (packages)? |
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| 08:52.12 | darsie | perhaps intentional security flaws? |
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| 10:51.50 | ekh | Hi. Is there numlock/caps indicator? like in the status bar |
| 10:53.14 | BCMM | ekh: yes, for several desktop environments. which are you using? |
| 10:53.27 | ekh | BCMM, xfce |
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| 11:06.17 | ekh | BCMM can't find any? |
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| 11:39.18 | BCMM | looks like there's a xfce4-kbdleds-plugin that isn't included in debian |
| 11:40.07 | BCMM | this rfp is mysteriously marked as "done". not sure why. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823392 |
| 11:40.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/823392 in wnpp (closed): «RFP: xfce4-kbdleds-plugin -- Panel plug-in for the Xfce that shows the state of your keyboard LEDs»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-05-04; last modified: 2019-07-09. |
| 11:40.10 | BCMM | ekh: ^ |
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| 13:10.53 | d3vlin | Hi all, quick question. I am in a remote/headless installation procedure but the isntaller does not offer LVM in the partitioning step. I guess there are no LVM packages on the installer USB? |
| 13:12.00 | d3vlin | If so, is it possible to add the LVM parts to the installer using the shell from the installer? |
| 13:15.29 | abrotman | in the netinst? yes, it has LVM available |
| 13:17.01 | d3vlin | it doens't offer me in the partition disks step |
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| 13:18.16 | d3vlin | I only have 'Guided - use largest continous / Guided - entire disk / Manual', not the 'Guided - entire disk and setup LVM' |
| 13:22.50 | RoyK | Use manual |
| 13:23.28 | d3vlin | I did, also in manual there are no lvm options |
| 13:23.33 | RoyK | then setup whatever necessary partitions (probably not needed) and the VG and the LVs and put filesystems on them |
| 13:24.13 | d3vlin | the options to use a partition as lvm are not there |
| 13:24.52 | RoyK | erm - are you sure you didn't miss something there? I've done this quite a few times myself with the regular installer |
| 13:25.25 | RoyK | Can you take a screenshot (with your phone or whatever) of what's under Manual? |
| 13:26.30 | d3vlin | I am using a preseed netinst using debian-10.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:26.40 | d3vlin | https://github.com/philpagel/debian-headless |
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| 13:28.37 | RoyK | looks like there are some stuff about lvm in that example config |
| 13:29.04 | RoyK | but I haven't used preseed, so I don't know - sorry |
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| 13:36.16 | naptastic | Hi! Is netboot install (PXE-powered) still supported in Buster? I'm not able to locate netboot.tar.gz, as per https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
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| 13:37.22 | naptastic | bah, nevermind, there it is |
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| 14:05.46 | Scou_moune | if you want see tools you have installed after a fresh install use this: cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep -E 'apt install | apt-get install' \ |
| 14:05.48 | Scou_moune | | awk '{ sub( "^", "\x01", $4 ); sub( ".*\x01", "" ); print }' |
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| 14:09.21 | Scou_moune | and for my problem with iw, i do report a bug, because that show a wrong erreur |
| 14:09.36 | Scou_moune | The probleme is isn't the 'too many file open' |
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| 14:10.19 | Scou_moune | But i would thank, because know i have undertsand how look files opened, and how show this. I have make a doc about this |
| 14:12.38 | d3vlin | RoyK; problem solved; seems the installer wasn't able to properly mount the usb stick as cdrom. |
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| 14:17.43 | dadinn | hi all |
| 14:18.05 | dvs | looks around |
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| 14:38.59 | Acheron | hello dadinn |
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| 15:21.17 | RadoS | Is there some "default", preferred / supported video-conferencing system on debian? |
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| 15:22.26 | dadinn | I am facing an issue running Debian Live on KVM with UEFI(OVMF) |
| 15:23.12 | annadane | RadoS, not that i'm immediately aware of but jitsi seems to be a popular FOSS option |
| 15:23.16 | annadane | (there's also teamspeak, i think) |
| 15:23.35 | annadane | jitsi is not necessarily packaged for debian though specifically and i don't know about teamspeak |
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| 15:23.53 | dadinn | I am trying to install Debian on ZFS root... everything seems to work fine, but when I am trying to install linux-image-amd64 at the end I get an error which says No space left on device |
| 15:24.35 | dadinn | I have to say the whole installer script works fine with BIOS boot mode, but this seems to have something to do with UEFI :/ |
| 15:24.59 | dadinn | the exact error is: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linx-image-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64_5.6.14-2~bpo10+1_amd64.deb (--unpack): cannot coapy extracted data for './boot/System.may-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64' to '/boot/System.map-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device) |
| 15:25.01 | RadoS | annadane, that's what I meant with "supported". |
| 15:25.04 | dadinn | dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 15:25.51 | deadrom | hi |
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| 15:26.57 | dadinn | when I am looking at output of `df` I see that there is an entry with 100% usage: the iso9660 type /dev/loop0 mounted at /run/live/rootfs/filesystem.squashfs |
| 15:27.00 | deadrom | do mdadm raid5 arrays tend to become slow near full? usually had 90-100MB/s write speed, now at 600GB of 12T free only 18MB/s. xfs, NFS mounted on client |
| 15:27.33 | RoyK | annadane: I doubt teamspeak is in the repos - it's not OSS |
| 15:28.24 | dadinn | sorry for spamming the channel :/ |
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| 15:30.03 | RoyK | dadinn: heh - a mounted ISO file will always be full - it's a write-only medium in Linux' perspective ;) |
| 15:30.15 | RoyK | *read-only* |
| 15:31.20 | dadinn | RoyK: yes, that's what I understood, so that shouldn't be the issue... but that is the only thing I see on 100% |
| 15:31.23 | RoyK | RadoS: https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/DebianRepository <-- better install that in docker or in a kvm vm or something to avoid messing up your system |
| 15:32.10 | RoyK | dadinn: iso filesystems are generally made to fill all their space with what's being burned on that cd |
| 15:33.20 | dadinn | RoyK: the problem remains that I don't understand where the error "No space left on device" came from in apt |
| 15:34.32 | dadinn | also it seems that due to this failure installing the linux-image, my apt is left in a broken state... it is telling me I might want to run apt --fix-broken install |
| 15:35.01 | RoyK | dadinn: that's probably not from the iso fs |
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| 15:35.12 | RoyK | dadinn: please pastebin output of "df -h" |
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| 15:35.21 | RoyK | dpkg: tell dadinn about pastebin |
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| 15:37.30 | dadinn | RoyK: I am running in a KVM vm and not able to do copy/paste... give me a sec, I'll try to make a screenshot |
| 15:37.55 | dadinn | RoyK: `df -iTha` ? |
| 15:37.57 | RoyK | isn't it connected to the network? |
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| 15:38.30 | dadinn | RoyK: nope, and since i fucked up apt, now I can't even install an ssh :) |
| 15:38.42 | RoyK | heh |
| 15:39.01 | RoyK | df -i shows inodes free - without -i it shows available space. |
| 15:43.00 | dadinn | RoyK: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linx-image-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64_5.6.14-2~bpo10+1_amd64.deb (--unpack): cannot coapy extracted data for './boot/System.may-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64' to '/boot/System.map-5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device) |
| 15:43.05 | dadinn | dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 15:43.18 | dadinn | sorry copied that by mistake |
| 15:44.11 | dadinn | RoyK: https://www.dropbox.com/s/orojb33o0gr8j5n/IMG_20200712_164041.jpg?dl=0 |
| 15:44.24 | dadinn | RoyK: that's the screenshot of df |
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| 15:46.07 | RoyK | dadinn: those are still inodes, which is rarely a problem - try without -i |
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| 15:47.49 | dadinn | RoyK: ah, sorry |
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| 15:49.30 | dadinn | RoyK: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uxiq1b8oap517z/IMG_20200712_164825.jpg?dl=0 |
| 15:50.33 | RoyK | erm - 1MB for boot? |
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| 15:51.30 | annadane | RoyK, why would jitsi not in a docker container mess up a system? |
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| 15:52.39 | RoyK | annadane: I'm just notoriously sceptical to all sort of foreign sources, so I tend to isolate software the best I can, be it in docker or in KVM VMs |
| 15:52.46 | annadane | fair |
| 15:52.58 | annadane | just thought there was some intrinsic reason |
| 15:53.02 | RoyK | annadane: the best thing about that is if something crashes, only that crashes and the rest is whole |
| 15:53.18 | annadane | i should take that philosophy on, too |
| 15:54.15 | RoyK | annadane: a friend of mine setup a new server some years ago and she isn't running a single service on the host system except ssh - the rest of the services are in kvm vm's |
| 15:54.54 | RoyK | (or even, VMs, not an apostrophe there - sorry) |
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| 15:58.15 | annadane | i'm surprised one thing crashing can bring a whole system down |
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| 15:59.18 | RoyK | annadane: heh - don't be - just a memory leak can be sufficient - or an exploit of sorts - or - well - whatever. Isolation is nice - then, if a machine dies, it's just a service, not the whole system |
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| 15:59.53 | dadinn | RoyK: as you can see in the df output, there is space, nowhere a drive is "full" |
| 16:00.26 | dadinn | actually... |
| 16:01.23 | RoyK | dadinn: I'm just surprised you're able to boot this system with 1MB on /boot - that's not even enough to fit the kernel, and the initrd takes up 10x the space of that |
| 16:02.17 | dadinn | RoyK: actually that is possibly the problem... and it is possibly a bug in my scripts, which accidentally made it too small! |
| 16:03.01 | dadinn | RoyK: second pair eyes always helps ;) |
| 16:03.04 | RoyK | dadinn: make it 1GB - that's a bit of waste, but hell, it's not a lot :) |
| 16:03.17 | dadinn | *pair of eyes* |
| 16:03.26 | RoyK | yeah |
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| 16:57.39 | nvz | idk I have systems here with about 250MB on boot and it feels cramped |
| 16:58.08 | nvz | ideally you want a lil wiggle room to have at minimum two kernels.. I prefer to have enough room for more than that |
| 16:58.34 | nvz | its not fun getting errors trying to build initrd on updates |
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| 17:01.07 | nvz | if you are the type to tool with the kernel at all, you may want room for the debian kernel, backport kernel, and your own custom build as well as room to have the last working of the three and the current update of each.. so you really prob want enough space to not only cover 6 kernels and initrd, but also account for the fact that linux is a monolithic kernel and the sizes will increase over time |
| 17:02.02 | nvz | 500mb-1GB is as stated not much these days.. and gives you some peace of mind |
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| 18:14.34 | Whyvn | hello, I created a local repo with reprepro. I also added the deb files I wanted to that repo directory, how can i install with apt install? Would I add-apt-repository "/path/to/repo buster main"? |
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| 18:18.36 | rudi_s | Whyvn: Yes, that should work (assuming you used buster as relaese). (Or just add the path manually). |
| 18:19.26 | Whyvn | rudi_s: inside sourlist would deb file:/path/to/repo/packages / |
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| 18:22.10 | rudi_s | Whyvn: deb file:///path/to/repo/ buster main |
| 18:22.30 | rudi_s | Inside path/to/repo must be the dists/ and pool/ directories |
| 18:24.19 | Whyvn | rudi_s: thanks, that worked. sorry I am new to this, but it is asking for my gpg key, how can I add my personal gpg key? |
| 18:24.42 | Whyvn | just apt-key add "key here" |
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| 18:26.09 | rudi_s | Whyvn: Yes, apt-get add path/to/key.asc |
| 18:26.44 | rudi_s | Or you can put the key into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ (with an .asc or .gpg extension, depending on the type) |
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| 18:34.36 | thatpythonguy | why is fail2ban enabling sshd jail by default? I don't see this in documentation. |
| 18:35.53 | nvz | well I dont have a conclusive answer to that, but I can assure you documenation isn't always correct, complete, or even existing |
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| 19:09.05 | thatpythonguy | nvz: that's true, some things just aren't documented. I ended up finding out that Debian places a defaults-debian.conf that's read by fail2ban before the main config |
| 19:09.50 | annadane | yes, make sure to check any /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian |
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| 19:39.35 | ws2k3 | on my system i have 2 disks with smart errors. one shows | Caution C5 current-pending-sector 100 100 0 000000000070 | and another disk shows | Caution 05 reallocated-sector-count 100 100 5 000000000001 | should i worry about this? cause my i think one disk might be failing. after boot i get aacraid: Host adapter abort request |
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| 19:44.00 | sney | ws2k3: yes, that all sounds like early signs of disk failure. though if it happens with all of the disks on your system, it's possible you have a buggy sata controller. (or both.) |
| 19:44.33 | ws2k3 | sney: i see one warning on one disk. and one warning on another disk |
| 19:44.45 | jayjo | Are there any good guides for something like "My First Debian Package"? I have a python script that has external dependencies that I'd like to prepare this way. Do you need a debian sponsor? |
| 19:44.53 | sney | !nmg |
| 19:44.54 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 19:45.12 | tomreyn | ws2k3: post full output of smartctl -x (can skip the serial number) |
| 19:45.22 | tomreyn | on a pastebin, of course |
| 19:45.31 | sney | jayjo: ask in #debian-mentors on OFTC for specific support, but I can confirm from experience that basically everything you need is in the docs linked by dpkg above. |
| 19:46.08 | JohnDoe9304 | Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume). |
| 19:46.14 | jayjo | sney: thanks for your help |
| 19:46.15 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: i get immitialty self-testin aborted |
| 19:46.26 | sney | jayjo: np. |
| 19:47.11 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/m9Z9mHUT |
| 19:47.27 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: but i get this error on all drives so maby something else it wrong |
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| 19:49.13 | tomreyn | ws2k3: -X is not -x |
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| 19:50.40 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/X7rLAci7 |
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| 19:54.05 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: when linux crashes on aacraid: Host adaptor abort requiest (0,1,6,0) would it be possible to know which disk that is? |
| 19:54.21 | ws2k3 | maby on the (0,1,6,0) |
| 19:56.53 | tomreyn | ws2k3: this may be an SCSI LUN, i'm not enough into SCSI to tell, but maybe you can translate it to what you see at /dev/disk/by-path/ |
| 19:57.28 | tomreyn | ws2k3: cat /proc/scsi/scsi rather |
| 19:57.40 | sney | typically this: https://tldp.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/scsiaddr.html but some controllers have wonky implementations |
| 19:58.21 | tomreyn | the smartctl output doesn't look so wrong to me. those events are bad, but could be controller issues, i would think. |
| 19:58.22 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: sney lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 12 21:23 pci-0000:02:00.0-scsi-0:1:6:0-part1 -> ../../sdc1 so its sdc |
| 19:59.47 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: i mounted the volume from a rescue disk and im running: while true; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/mnt/tmp/sample.txt bs=1G count=25; rm /mnt/tmp/sample.txt; done for a while already and thats seems to go just fine |
| 20:00.42 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: so im unsure if its the controller or the disk. i personaly would say its not the controller sinds the above command is running fine |
| 20:01.52 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: and the issue is. im running zfs on the disk. so if i would replace a disk. and rebuild still fails because of this error then i have a big issue |
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| 20:03.06 | tomreyn | this dd command is supposed to test that the disk is reliable? |
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| 20:03.58 | tomreyn | it's quite unlikely that it can get anwhere near that effect |
| 20:04.46 | tomreyn | you'd better run short or long offline self tests if your workload permits that |
| 20:05.22 | tomreyn | or do proper (destructive) stress testing on the disk |
| 20:05.32 | ryouma | badblocks |
| 20:05.44 | ryouma | can be useful sometimes |
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| 20:09.27 | ws2k3 | tomreyn: with dd i wanted to check if the raid controller is doing its job correctly |
| 20:10.39 | ws2k3 | so im not sure how i should proceed |
| 20:13.28 | sney | using zfs on top of a raid controller is kind of ..weird, but anyway, just testing if the controller can copy data back and forth in one situation doesn't mean it won't fail under some other circumstance |
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| 20:14.04 | ws2k3 | sney: no i am aware of that. but i dont know how else i should test it/can know if its the controller of if its the disk |
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| 20:14.37 | ws2k3 | sney: i wanne prevent that i replace the sdc and then the zfs rebuild is gonna fail |
| 20:14.42 | sney | in order to really diagnose what's happening, you will need some downtime. SMART long offline tests are probably a good start. |
| 20:15.01 | ws2k3 | sney: downtime is not a problem cause server is already down |
| 20:15.15 | sney | it's always possible for your raid implementation and disks to fail together, and this is why you keep backups. |
| 20:15.44 | sney | to run a long offline test, do 'man smartctl' and read the instructions |
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| 20:19.02 | ws2k3 | sney: i did an smartctl -t long /dev/sdc it says it will take around 12 hours |
| 20:19.10 | sney | yes |
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| 20:30.27 | jayjo | is there a way to look on the tails distribution page and know what version .deb packages I should download so I can install there? |
| 20:31.35 | sney | you'd have to ask them, #debian doesn't support mixing distros or any derivatives |
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| 20:37.21 | ws2k3 | sney: would it be allowed to use the disk while the long test is running? |
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| 20:37.44 | sney | the point of an 'offline' test is that the test is the only thing running on the disk |
| 20:37.51 | sney | remember what we agreed about downtime? |
| 20:38.16 | ws2k3 | sney: jup. then im just gonna let it finish |
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| 20:51.56 | zmoo | hello debian channel |
| 20:52.08 | sney | hi |
| 20:52.29 | zmoo | I am getting an error that says #error "Please port gnulib freadahead.c to your platform! Look at the definition of fflush, fread, ungetc on your system, then report this to bug-gnulib." |
| 20:52.52 | zmoo | I googled it and it was suggested that I install m4 and source |
| 20:53.07 | sney | ,file freadahead.c |
| 20:53.11 | judd | Search for freadahead.c in buster/amd64: gnulib: usr/share/gnulib/lib/freadahead.c, usr/share/gnulib/tests/test-freadahead.c |
| 20:53.20 | zmoo | okey |
| 20:53.25 | sney | what platform is this, and what debian version? |
| 20:53.57 | zmoo | debian buster on x86_64 system |
| 20:54.12 | sney | and where do you see the error? |
| 20:54.34 | zmoo | it was suggested that i Install m4 but its allready installed, not sure about source though.. |
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| 20:54.53 | zmoo | Im getting error when compiling a openwrt-yun |
| 20:55.05 | zmoo | although openwrt master branch works |
| 20:55.50 | zmoo | I dont know if I can use master branch and maybe just copy over the config |
| 20:56.20 | sney | ok. well, gnulib already exists for linux on amd64, so the error message is wrong. it's probably related to something in the openwrt source but you'd need to ask them |
| 20:56.26 | zmoo | but for now I am using the repo that yun technical suppot gave although its three years old |
| 20:57.26 | zmoo | yea I figured since master compiles I will poke around in openwrt irc and send another support email to the fella who suggested the three year old repo |
| 20:57.54 | sney | though maybe you should also make sure gnulib is installed on your build machine. |
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| 21:10.18 | bagira | hi. im new to debian. is there a place i can go to get a list of all the patches applied to the stock gcc |
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| 21:11.09 | sney | tracker.debian.org has that information, or links to where to find it, for all packages |
| 21:11.28 | bagira | thanks |
| 21:11.39 | sney | np |
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| 21:18.22 | bagira | sney: i ended up here: https://packages.debian.org/buster/gcc but am not seeing any patch files...is there a different place this might be thats authoritative |
| 21:19.32 | sney | tracker.debian.org has that information, or links to where to find it, for all packages. if you followed a link that didn't have your answer, go back to tracker and follow a different link. sometimes they are in VCS, etc. you need to look at different stuff and figure it out. |
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| 21:26.03 | bagira | hrm. i wonder if they're in the source package downloads. |
| 21:27.05 | bagira | yep |
| 21:27.07 | bagira | found them |
| 21:27.19 | bagira | thanks. looks like GCC is relatively vanilla in this distribution |
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| 21:29.07 | sney | debian tries to stick close to upstream for most things. |
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| 22:01.44 | karlpinc | bagira: You can also do an "apt-get source <pkg>" and take a look at the patches in the "debian" directory. Which can be "easy", but you have to enable source repos. |
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| 23:05.09 | alexrelis[m] | What Debian mirror do you guys use? I try to change my mirror to something else to evenly distribute bandwidth, but sometimes the mirror I use gets down a lot. |
| 23:06.10 | dvs | I use deb.debian.org. It chooses the closest mirror. |
| 23:06.55 | alexrelis[m] | dvs: Closest mirror based on IP address? |
| 23:07.04 | dvs | yes |
| 23:07.18 | avu | alexrelis[m]: I only use something other than deb.debian.org if I know there's a mirror very close and stable (ie in the same data center) run by my ISP |
| 23:07.40 | alexrelis[m] | dvs: Oh wow, I didn't even know that. |
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| 23:18.34 | alexrelis[m] | Also, in the sources.list, what is the difference between buster/updates and buster-updates? |
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| 23:19.34 | avu | alexrelis[m]: security uses buster/updates, the primary repos use buster-updates, it's just paths on the server |
| 23:19.56 | avu | alexrelis[m]: and yes the difference is a bit unfortunate :) |
| 23:20.04 | dvs | alexrelis[m], buster-updates used to be called volatile which are files that are updated frequently. buster/updates are packages that are updated once in a file, in response to bugs and such. |
| 23:20.51 | avu | dvs: what, there's buster/updates on the primary repos (not security) as well? |
| 23:23.45 | dvs | avu, No, buster/updates is the security one. |
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| 23:24.56 | alexrelis[m] | Thanks guys |
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| 23:26.48 | dvs | np |
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| 23:33.15 | alexrelis[m] | Another question: I'm trying to run a Windows program that requires .NET 4.6.1 via Wine. Is Wine Mono in the official repos? In the documentation (https://wiki.debian.org/Wine#Mono), it says that the Mono installer was "intentionally disabled". Why is that the case? |
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| 23:43.11 | annadane | have you checked wine's website? you can also ask in #winehq |
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| 23:56.01 | alexrelis[m] | annadane: I checked Wine's website but it looks like it's asking me to move something to my system directories and I am afraid I'll mess up my system by doing that. Just sent my message to #winehq. Wish me luck. |
| 23:56.10 | annadane | luck |
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