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| 00:11.36 | abrotman | shibboleth: please go troll elsewhere |
| 00:12.12 | shibboleth | how was i trolling? |
| 00:12.58 | shibboleth | i expressed joy at stallman having gotten through the ringer |
| 00:13.48 | shibboleth | was i being racist by doing so? <--- *that* is trolling |
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| 00:29.18 | abrotman | shibboleth: this is a support channel for Debian, take it elsewhere |
| 00:30.22 | shibboleth | i post a link, annadane asks a question, i reply you tell me to go troll elsewhere |
| 00:32.08 | shibboleth | and when inquire as to how you feel i've been trolling? "take it elsewhere2 |
| 00:32.26 | themill | shibboleth: it's not relevant to #debian please take it elsewhere |
| 00:33.20 | shibboleth | and i'll drop it if abrotman could explain how i was trolling. since i avoid doing so |
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| 00:59.43 | Numero-6 | Hi all, i have make a service systemd for show if the router(getaway) is up or down, so i have make log too with StandardOutput=file:/home/user/log1.log (i would make color error or warning, but i dont't how) My question is: Is i use ss -natup i see the connection for test the getaway but in process/pid i see nothing |
| 01:00.03 | Numero-6 | Can i setting that for that show the pid and the name of my service ? |
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| 01:01.19 | abrotman | you want a PID for networking? or for your script? |
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| 01:03.44 | sney | sounds like you're reinventing a wheel that already exists in the form of snmp and/or nagios |
| 01:04.44 | Numero-6 | my service netstatus.service run a script in /usr/local/bin,the script use command nc -z -w, forseeifthe getaway is up |
| 01:05.03 | Numero-6 | that my first service do i don't know if i'm wrong |
| 01:05.38 | Numero-6 | so when i use ss -natup, I see the connection, but not the process/pid |
| 01:07.38 | Numero-6 | if i use ps aux | grep myscript is see the pid and the name myscript |
| 01:08.57 | genr8_ | systemD can create PID files for units when its launched |
| 01:10.07 | genr8_ | "PIDFile=/path/to/pid" |
| 01:10.50 | Numero-6 | genr8_: yea but i do change simple to fork that right ? |
| 01:11.22 | genr8_ | yea i think so. |
| 01:11.44 | Numero-6 | ok i do test |
| 01:12.08 | genr8_ | also i think "Exec" is also a hybrid between simple and forking |
| 01:12.52 | Numero-6 | genr8_: yea because if i do systemctl status netstatus.service i see the pid, but i do test |
| 01:14.01 | genr8_ | just parse the PID out of systemctl output |
| 01:15.46 | genr8_ | regardless of service type: systemctl show -p MainPID smartd.service for use in scripting |
| 01:16.04 | genr8_ | from this website: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/10/msg00422.html |
| 01:16.43 | Numero-6 | genr8_: ok thank you i go test and read you're link for understand |
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| 07:05.28 | ratrace | my nginx logs stopped rotating properly. eg. access.log is rotated into access.log.1 but nginx keeps posting into it, as if it's not signaled to reopen logs. and looking into the logrotate.d hook I see invoke-rc.d nginx rotate ; rotate ?! |
| 07:06.09 | ratrace | and LO and behold what happened.... of course.... rc-policy.d exits 101 to prevent service restarts... FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUU |
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| 07:07.44 | ratrace | yea I remember messing with policy-rc.d causing a metric ton of other problems... but this is plain moronic. "rotate" never was a service command. we're in systemd era now. why is this shiz still acting like it's sysv bash scripts in the backend. |
| 07:08.24 | ratrace | and morons voted to exacerbate the problem even more instead of adopting systemd like it's 2020 and not 1980. |
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| 07:19.32 | ratrace | themill: remember who was it we supported few days ago about using policy-rc.d to prevent service (re)starts on install/upgrade? it's out of my backlog... |
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| 07:24.27 | themill | ratrace: you were talking policy-rc.d with AquaL1te (there may have been others; I was only half paying attention!) |
| 07:25.39 | ratrace | themill: that's it, AquaL1te, much obliged. |
| 07:27.12 | ratrace | AquaL1te: heads up, messing with policy-rc.d will cause nasty, silent, unlogged side effects as dumb things rely on invoke-rc.d for things other than just starting or stopping a service. |
| 07:30.17 | themill | That's probably also why that demo script was specifically filtering on actions from dpkg |
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| 07:30.53 | ratrace | yup. |
| 07:31.25 | ratrace | the second positional parameter is supposed to be action, so I'll see if filtering on that is better than looking up dpkg in user's ps tree |
| 07:31.32 | themill | Using a denylist of actions to prevent actions you don't want (start/stop/restart) rather than an allowlist of actions to permit would have potentially let 'rotate' through for you |
| 07:32.15 | ratrace | themill: frankly, what I want to do there is find all the nonsense like this and fix it _properly_, like in this case, not use the init script to rotate a systemd service, but `systemctl kill` |
| 07:32.46 | themill | you'd then have the "boohoo I don't use systemd" crowd chasing you |
| 07:32.51 | ratrace | I know I can't open a bug report for this because debian recently voted for other init support to stay and it'll be refused as the logrotate hook has to support BOTH inits... my rage intensifies. |
| 07:33.19 | themill | When the options are "you can do A or B" Debian always tries to do both. |
| 07:33.24 | ratrace | themill: yes. so we need another fork...... devTWOan. the Debian fork for TRUE init freedom, systemd-only. |
| 07:34.55 | ratrace | ubuntu looks more and more appealing as dual-init problems on Debian rear their ugly heads ever more as months pass by. but then tweakin 'buntu to remove all the nasty THEY do (resolved, netplan, zsys, ...) is much more work. |
| 07:35.24 | ratrace | maybe I should start and maintain a wiki page. How to remove the sysv cancer from your Debian. Subscribe today. |
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| 07:38.15 | ratrace | (and chances are the same is done on ubuntu and they won't accept the change because they want to change as few packages from debian as possible) |
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| 07:54.16 | ksk | ++ for systemd only debian :D |
| 07:54.24 | dreamer | -- |
| 07:54.49 | dreamer | still has not seen the advantage other than simpler init files |
| 07:55.07 | dreamer | logging is pure hell now. how many flags do I need to read a simple log? |
| 07:55.20 | ksk | You either do not want to understand it, or have not worked with it extensivly enough imho :> |
| 07:55.55 | ksk | logging is awesome. And you only need one flag, to specificy the unit journalctl should show you |
| 07:56.08 | dreamer | every time I have to do anything other than restarting a service I have to look up how to do things. imo it's highly unintuitive |
| 07:56.15 | dreamer | not being able to grep in a simple log-file is really shit. |
| 07:56.37 | dreamer | if you don't understand this, then you haven't been using computers long enough |
| 07:56.54 | dreamer | the only big advantage I see is readable and easy to write init files |
| 07:56.55 | dreamer | that's it. |
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| 07:59.25 | ratrace | I use journald as in-memory only short buffer I can search with journalctl's variety of filters and options. The rest goes to rsyslog where I change the defaults etup (which writes same data to multiple files and is very inefficient), to have one main catchall, and one extra for errors so my log watch script can keep an eye on those. and there's the traditional mail logs because postfix is dumb and wants |
| 07:59.31 | ratrace | to use rsyslog only. |
| 07:59.35 | ksk | "jouralctl | grep foo" does also work. |
| 07:59.47 | ratrace | so for that purpose, journalctl is awesome as I can quickly look up things. for the rest and grep, I have the log. |
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| 08:00.28 | ratrace | however I often find grepping VERY inefficient. different date formats between applications. different languages used, eg. we have some localized WP installations and look and behold PHP error logs in non-english. good luck parsing THAT. |
| 08:00.58 | ratrace | ksk: it does but it's a bit inefficient, and journalctl is supposedly getting a --grep flag or something too, to make it more efficient. |
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| 08:02.03 | teus | windows update replaced GRUB by the windows loader again, and i broke the bootloader by performing bcdedit (to set it to grub again) |
| 08:02.04 | ksk | I am not totally against acknowledging some of your points, but service handling has greatly improved since systemd, if you asked me. |
| 08:02.15 | ksk | !grubinstall |
| 08:02.18 | teus | im trying to reinstall grub simply, but everything is going wrong |
| 08:02.21 | ksk | eh. |
| 08:02.37 | teus | im on debian live, chrooted, but im probably on legacy boot so i cant write to uefi |
| 08:02.39 | ksk | !fixmbr |
| 08:02.39 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 08:03.37 | teus | so how do i start debian live in uefi |
| 08:04.07 | teus | i tried repairing the bootloader with the windows usb image but that doesn't work |
| 08:04.11 | teus | so far im 2.5hours in already |
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| 08:07.04 | teus | its 10AM and i can only leave for work once this is fixed |
| 08:08.16 | teus | urghl maybe i found it |
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| 08:08.43 | teus | when pressing F12 i have a list with devices for legacy boot, and a list for uefi boot |
| 08:09.10 | ratrace | doesn't debian install/live USB boot in EFI mode? |
| 08:09.42 | teus | https://topics-cdn.dell.com/Vostro_15_7580_OM/images/GUID-2E5A3F3E-32E0-4474-B94A-6AF55AA35C16-low.png |
| 08:10.00 | teus | screenshot |
| 08:11.16 | ratrace | of what exactly? |
| 08:12.07 | teus | how my F12 menu looks like |
| 08:12.12 | teus | to boot from usb |
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| 08:17.28 | ratrace | teus: I don't get it, what's the problem here? does not debian install/live USB thing boot on your computer? |
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| 08:25.37 | shtrb | anyone have a clue why sudo hcitool -i hci0 lescan , get me a "Set scan parameters failed: Input/output error" while regular scan work as expected (AC9560 , should have LE) |
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| 08:29.39 | AquaL1te | ratrace: thanks for the headsup! but i don't do the 101 exit code, i do the 106 and then go through this list of actions "reload force-reload stop force-stop". so if the service is already running, a reload is done. if the service is stopped, then the reload will fail, as well as the force reload. and then as a final option a stop is done. if the service is not running (e.g. when installing it the first |
| 08:29.45 | AquaL1te | time) then a a reload is done, but won't do much else. if all of that fails a stop is done. i haven't seen a situation where stop is ran. so maybe i'll remove it to ensure best predictable behaviour. in which stage does invoke-rc.d trigger a logrotate? and by the way, i only do the exit 106 when i update or install software with ansible. i then set the POLICYRCD environment variable to point to my script |
| 08:29.51 | AquaL1te | that does that exti 106 and provides those options. |
| 08:31.06 | ratrace | AquaL1te: how would that handle the "rotate" action that I found this morning was busted due to my messing with policy-rc.d ? |
| 08:31.40 | ratrace | `invoke-rc.d rotate nginx >/dev/null 2>&1` is the atrocity in nginx' logrotate log reopen hook |
| 08:32.12 | ratrace | ... nginx rotate ... typo |
| 08:32.23 | AquaL1te | ratrace: that depends on when and how that's triggered. ah i see. well in that case it will just work. because that's not triggered by ansible, so that environment variable is not set. so normal operation is then done |
| 08:33.21 | ratrace | AquaL1te: can you pastebin your policy-rc.d perhaps? |
| 08:33.22 | AquaL1te | ratrace: https://paste.centos.org/view/21954db8 |
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| 08:33.35 | AquaL1te | ah yes, i'll include everything in one paste |
| 08:33.51 | ratrace | oooooh, you're using the env var, not /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d |
| 08:34.20 | ratrace | no, wait, that env is the path to policy file, amirite? |
| 08:35.18 | AquaL1te | ratrace: https://paste.centos.org/view/ebd8c7ef |
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| 08:37.06 | ratrace | AquaL1te: but what's in the actual policy-rc.d script? That's the meat of the problem here :) |
| 08:37.19 | AquaL1te | ah yes |
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| 08:39.38 | AquaL1te | ratrace: added the extra info: https://paste.centos.org/view/f93c2399 |
| 08:41.10 | ratrace | AquaL1te: I see. so with 106 exit code, the script must output a list of allowed actions, and the invoker decides which one to use |
| 08:41.28 | ratrace | AquaL1te: so you'll have to add "rotate" to that list, for logrotated services that use that hook, like nginx |
| 08:41.46 | ratrace | and who knows what other non-standard "service" shell script command is used by the packages. |
| 08:42.07 | AquaL1te | ratrace: yes, 106 is fallback mode, and the stdout list provided is done in that sequence. if one fails, the next one is tried |
| 08:43.07 | AquaL1te | ratrace: no ;) because this POLICYRCD environment variable, pointint to my custom script which does the exit 106, is only set and ran by ansible. native system stuff, like crons, don't do that |
| 08:43.26 | AquaL1te | *points to my custom |
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| 08:44.08 | ratrace | ah, right, yes, I see. good solution. |
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| 08:44.51 | AquaL1te | ratrace: as long as native system stuff don't start services :) which is what i want to prevent |
| 08:45.00 | ratrace | AquaL1te: you handle apt upgrades via ansible too? |
| 08:45.12 | ratrace | *package upgrades |
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| 08:47.01 | AquaL1te | ratrace: yes. i will do that anyway, since i don't want to login to each raspberry pi to do apt upgrade |
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| 08:48.03 | AquaL1te | ratrace: included the update ansible thingy too now https://paste.centos.org/view/8d8ec9ed |
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| 08:53.13 | Guest52883 | Hey guys, I'm trying to create a new directory from root: mkdir /root/Desktop/file name...It says "mkdir:cannot create directory mkdir /root/Desktop/file name... So any help what must I do? |
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| 08:55.54 | ratrace | Baddaz: /root/Desktop .... seriously? you want to run GUI applications as root? |
| 08:56.40 | ratrace | Baddaz: also what is the FULL message from mkdir... : No such file or directory? |
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| 09:02.07 | Baddaz | ratrace: I'm trying to create a directory here bro... Isn't it possible to?? (ratrace) Baddaz: /root/Desktop .... seriously? you want to run GUI applications as root!! |
| 09:02.34 | Baddaz | From root? |
| 09:02.53 | ratrace | first of all, I'm not your bro. second, what's the _exact_ error message you get from mkdir. third, you shouldn't run GUI applications as root. |
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| 09:07.40 | Baddaz | I said error message :: mkdir: cannot create directory '/root/Desktop/File_name' : Not a directory... I'm trying to create one in my Desktop |
| 09:08.43 | ratrace | Baddaz: apparently "Desktop" is not a directory at all. what's the output of ls -l /root/Desktop ? |
| 09:09.41 | diogenes_ | sudo ls i guess. |
| 09:10.31 | ratrace | well if THAT has to be specified.... then they probably shouldn't touch anything in /root/ to begin with |
| 09:11.05 | diogenes_ | agree with that ^^^ |
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| 09:14.03 | Baddaz | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root use usr, drwxrwx - - - 3***,drwxr-xr-x 3 root root |
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| 09:15.50 | Baddaz | Ohh sorry: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root, drwxrwx - - - 3 usr usr, drwxr-xr-x 3 root root |
| 09:16.39 | ratrace | where's "Desktop" in that ouput? |
| 09:17.02 | ratrace | how about you don't type it manually but actually copy&paste the actual output of ls -l ? |
| 09:18.01 | nlpqda | 3 things piss me off the most about debian.. My Dell laptop 1) fails to give any indication before battery completely dains out and shut off suddenly on me. 2) adding one more entry of recovery mode permanently for each suden shut off! 3) being unable to recover opened not saved documents e.g. gedit ... please let me know if anyone think there are fixes to these things as I'm using debian as my daily bases |
| 09:18.07 | nlpqda | os. |
| 09:19.34 | Baddaz | (ratrace) Nope there isn't desktop |
| 09:20.03 | ratrace | Baddaz: so you need to create it first, or use the -p flag for mkdir if you're creating multiple subdirectories at once |
| 09:20.17 | nlpqda | photo for number 2 https://imgur.com/a/Pr6ywtN |
| 09:21.04 | Baddaz | (ratrace) okay lemme try it I'll let you know |
| 09:21.07 | ratrace | nlpqda: apt autoremove to remove old kernels. it's adding one entry per kernel found in /boot |
| 09:21.18 | diogenes_ | nlpqda, try a different DE, for me Debian is the smoothest OS for my hardware off all other distros. |
| 09:21.29 | themill | nlpqda: looks a lot like you need to uninstall kernel packages you're no longer using |
| 09:21.32 | ratrace | nlpqda: as for 1) it is desktop environment specific, so what diogenes_ said |
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| 09:24.58 | nlpqda | diogenes_: ratrace: from wandering around many distro(s) I found out debian is the most reliable daily OS with the least bugs in general even though it lacks many packages or newer releases but stable |
| 09:25.44 | nlpqda | Fedora is a RUN TO HILLS both as OS and support team atittude |
| 09:26.48 | ratrace | well it's RHEL beta, it's supposed to be like that. |
| 09:27.00 | diogenes_ | yeah Fedora is a nogo for me it even damaged by BIOS once. |
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| 09:29.27 | KOLANICH | Hello. How can I manually create a trigger that is executed after every package installation and gets the name of an installed package? |
| 09:30.11 | ratrace | KOLANICH: maybe via DPkg::Post-Invoke hook in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/... ? |
| 09:30.31 | ratrace | KOLANICH: but eh, what's the final outcome you want to achieve? |
| 09:31.27 | KOLANICH | ratrace: I need to update an own inverted index of files (mapping path in fs -> package name). |
| 09:31.55 | ratrace | can you rephrase that? I don't understand what you're saying |
| 09:32.31 | KOLANICH | ratrace: I have a db doing the same as dpkg -S, but without invoking other processes |
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| 09:33.36 | KOLANICH | a just an SQLite DB with package names + a trie for paths mapping them to primary keys in that DB |
| 09:33.48 | KOLANICH | but it has to be kept up to date |
| 09:36.05 | ratrace | KOLANICH: well, you can define dpkg triggers via /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ maybe Post-Invoke is not what you want, that's invoked once per transaction. so look up /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers.txt.gz for more info |
| 09:38.16 | ratrace | KOLANICH: also deb-triggers(5) manpage |
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| 09:42.06 | KOLANICH | ratrace: I have looked into them. They have not helped much/ Files triggers look promising, but it seems they require a deb package to be installed |
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| 09:43.03 | KOLANICH | ratrace: also it is written that they are executed before actual installation |
| 09:43.28 | KOLANICH | I need my script to be executed after dpkg updates metadata on disk |
| 09:44.22 | KOLANICH | the metadata in its text form, because binary format used by dpkg internally is undocumented |
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| 09:49.27 | ratrace | KOLANICH: sorry, I'm not sure then |
| 09:49.49 | themill | there are dpkg hooks separate to apt hooks btw |
| 09:50.05 | themill | (and this is a different thing to triggers) |
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| 09:53.45 | themill | ,file /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/* |
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| 09:53.49 | judd | Search for /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/* in buster/amd64: needrestart: etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/needrestart; pkgconf: etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/pkgconf-hook-config; pkg-config: etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/pkg-config-hook-config; debian-security-support: etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/debian-security-support; pk4: etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/pk4 |
| 09:53.51 | themill | ^^ some examples already in the archive |
| 09:54.36 | themill | you might also want to look at the dlocate package |
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| 10:01.46 | themill | (I'm also curious what binary format you're looking for documentation on) |
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| 10:07.12 | KOLANICH | ratrace, themill thanks. |
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| 10:08.44 | KOLANICH | themill: do hooks in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ execute even with dpkg -i? The docs says like DPkg::Post-Invoke is an apt hook, not dpkg |
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| 10:09.30 | themill | /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ are for dpkg; DPkg::Post-Invoke is the dpkg step within apt |
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| 10:10.43 | KOLANICH | themill: is this file found in the net correct? https://github.com/subgraph/paxrat/blob/master/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70paxrat |
| 10:11.06 | themill | that's an apt hook not a dpkg hook |
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| 10:13.09 | KOLANICH | thank you for the clarification. |
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| 10:14.04 | themill | syntax-wise, I'd have expected a ; at the end of the line too. I don't know if it's required or just 'normal' to have it there |
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| 10:35.21 | JyZyXEL | anyone know of a sensible way of notifying about low disk space condition before space runs out? |
| 10:36.26 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: if you're running a big DE like GNOME or KDE, it's already baked in. |
| 10:36.59 | JyZyXEL | well the KDE 5.14 isn't notifying me |
| 10:38.55 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: is the notifier enabled in the settings? |
| 10:39.01 | JyZyXEL | yes |
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| 10:40.37 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: and how low are you now? |
| 10:40.51 | JyZyXEL | i've ran out many many times |
| 10:41.40 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: and how low are you now? |
| 10:41.51 | themill | in $HOME or elsewhere? |
| 10:43.01 | ratrace | iirc the notifier is monitoring all the disk mount points, could be wrong, but the settings allow oyu to set the treshold |
| 10:43.39 | JyZyXEL | used to run out at / and /home but these days i mostly run out on Downloads and other media filesystems |
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| 10:45.15 | JyZyXEL | ratrace: well i've noticed no notifications whenever i break the treshold |
| 10:45.24 | ratrace | are they perchance btrfs where df shows plenty of space but it's effectively unable to find any? |
| 10:45.40 | JyZyXEL | no, ext4 |
| 10:45.57 | JyZyXEL | last time i remember the notification working was in Plasma 4 |
| 10:46.09 | JyZyXEL | that's years ago |
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| 10:47.49 | NoneDone | Hi guys |
| 10:48.53 | NoneDone | I've got some issues with systemd |
| 10:49.01 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: sorry, it's been a while since I KDE'd, but it _should_ work if enabled unless there's some bug. iirc there was a startup service for it, so check if that's enabled too |
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| 10:49.46 | ratrace | NoneDone: we're all ears. |
| 10:49.47 | JyZyXEL | it's enabled but i don't get notified |
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| 10:50.13 | NoneDone | nftables and unbound doesn't stat after reboot |
| 10:51.07 | ratrace | NoneDone: checked their logs to see why? |
| 10:52.15 | NoneDone | https://pastebin.com/Pgb5Z2SK |
| 10:52.37 | NoneDone | So, after reboot, i cat start it manualy |
| 10:53.14 | NoneDone | but i have no idea why doesn't start automatic after reboot |
| 10:53.56 | NoneDone | There is two interfaces. First one is a USB LAN card. Second one is a OpenVPN interface |
| 10:54.53 | ratrace | I'd guess the devices become visible in the system too late for those services. nftables is running Before=network-pre.target, for example |
| 10:55.02 | NoneDone | I thank that is the reason nftables wont start. There is ^^^^^ under those two names of the interfaces |
| 10:55.20 | ratrace | for unbound, see if it has a log of its own with more details |
| 10:56.01 | ratrace | NoneDone: how do you setup your networking? via /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:56.16 | NoneDone | Ok. And how to fix nftables? |
| 10:56.18 | NoneDone | Yes |
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| 10:57.22 | ratrace | frankly, I'm not sure. I have a similar problem running Bind, even though it's After=network-online.target it'll have issues on startup and not fetch proper DNSSEC keys, and goes bell-yup on that. So I injected a service before bind to actually check and wait for availability of WAN (simple ping to our external server) before proceeding. |
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| 10:57.38 | ratrace | *belly-up |
| 10:58.00 | tarzeau | i'm surprised after 10 years of systemd, to still see such questions - but then i'm glad i'm not alone with problems |
| 10:58.23 | ratrace | tarzeau: I don't think it's systemd specific issue. systemd just exposed the race conditions that would plague any init |
| 10:58.34 | themill | JyZyXEL: the plasma notifier explicitly says it's only for the home directory, so if you've got media/downloads in other places then it's not looking at them |
| 10:58.37 | tarzeau | is using cron with @reboot /usr/bin/screen -dmS name software |
| 10:58.41 | ratrace | NoneDone: btw, can you pastebin your interfaces file? how do you bring them up? with "auto" ? |
| 10:59.08 | NoneDone | https://pastebin.com/5nYM1z5t |
| 10:59.09 | JyZyXEL | themill: ah, well i want monitoring for all my filesystems |
| 10:59.11 | tarzeau | ratrace: my point is just it brings back microsoft windows ini files, that i was glad to leave 20 years ago |
| 10:59.18 | NoneDone | that's the service |
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| 10:59.39 | ratrace | tarzeau: especially since interfaces(5) is not a systemd-notify service, so SD has no clue of it's proper state |
| 10:59.44 | themill | JyZyXEL: I don't think the default plasma one does that; #kde might know of a separate one that does |
| 11:00.14 | NoneDone | https://pastebin.com/3c3uyicAinterfaces |
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| 11:00.19 | NoneDone | https://pastebin.com/3c3uyicA |
| 11:00.23 | NoneDone | interfaces |
| 11:00.35 | tarzeau | ratrace: i was fine without *ctl and using /etc with favourite $EDITOR |
| 11:01.08 | ratrace | tarzeau: you can always switch to Devuan |
| 11:01.16 | tarzeau | ratrace: having multiple people work on systems, it's now all gotten messed up, people going for systemd replacing cron and how hostname (the command) and dhcp client/dns(resolv.conf) should work |
| 11:01.27 | tarzeau | ratrace: i can't, there's other people having a say |
| 11:01.35 | ratrace | oh, well. |
| 11:02.39 | ratrace | NoneDone: can you pastebin entire journalctl -b or at least determine when the interface becomes available in the boot timeline, related to startup of nftables.service ? |
| 11:03.22 | ratrace | NoneDone: one quick remedy would be to set the service After=network.target (be sure to comment out current Before= as well), but that'll mean you'll have a short gap during which the NIC is up but not netfiltered |
| 11:04.32 | ratrace | tarzeau: then again you can still use /etc with favourite $EDITOR, systemd didn't take away that. |
| 11:04.50 | tarzeau | ratrace: that's true. |
| 11:05.22 | ratrace | various *ctl, other than systemctl and journalctl, are for runtime querying and configuring, due to their dbus APIs |
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| 11:05.39 | ratrace | but anything they set up, should be configurable with an $EDITOR and /etc |
| 11:05.46 | NoneDone | ratrace https://pastebin.com/cuYjKGKX |
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| 11:06.48 | ratrace | NoneDone: that's just a tiny excerpt, first page. you need to journalctl -b --no-pager |
| 11:07.04 | ratrace | NoneDone: I must warn you, some potentially sensitive info might be in there |
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| 11:08.49 | ratrace | .... or you can just quit. that's fine to, I suppose. :) |
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| 11:13.53 | NoneDone | https://pastebin.com/bUd0GsDm |
| 11:15.14 | NoneDone | ratrace |
| 11:15.38 | ratrace | oh you're back |
| 11:16.22 | NoneDone | Yes |
| 11:17.32 | ratrace | NoneDone: as I suspected, nftables is logging before the link becomes ready. One fix would be, as I suggested earlier, you change when nftables is run, like After=network.target (remove current After= and Before= rules). |
| 11:17.59 | ratrace | Another fix would be to switch to systemd-networkd for network configuration and make nftables dependant on the interface .link |
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| 11:18.57 | NoneDone | Okay |
| 11:19.43 | ratrace | NoneDone: just note that with After=network.target, there will exist a small period of time in which the NIC is not filtered |
| 11:19.45 | NoneDone | With # must be fine? |
| 11:19.56 | ratrace | # is fine to comment out current Before= and After= yes |
| 11:20.29 | NoneDone | And this "Wants=network-pre.target" ? |
| 11:21.02 | ratrace | you can comment out that too |
| 11:21.30 | NoneDone | Okey, i'm going offline for a while |
| 11:21.34 | ratrace | NoneDone: wait |
| 11:21.37 | NoneDone | to do the test |
| 11:21.51 | ratrace | NoneDone: I think you should also change WantedBy to multi-user.target, I'm not sure |
| 11:22.12 | ratrace | btw, I'm assuming you're doing this to a COPY of the service unit in /etc/systemd/system/ ? |
| 11:22.26 | NoneDone | Yes |
| 11:22.30 | ratrace | mkay |
| 11:23.41 | NoneDone | Thank you! I'm going to reconnect |
| 11:23.50 | ratrace | tarzeau: btw, this whole mess is because debian is using interfaces(5) and not systemd-networkd. networkd can do proper signals, and services can explicitly wait on devices to appear. right now it's a oneshot shell script for network. pfft. :) |
| 11:24.10 | ratrace | %s/signals/sd-notifications/ |
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| 11:27.19 | tarzeau | ratrace: i get that yes, the reason why we turn on systemd-networkd for our machines @work (that's easy to do): but imagine that: https://alt.org/nethack/dudley/?f=2018.05.05 |
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| 11:28.34 | NoneDone | Nope. The same error |
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| 11:31.14 | ratrace | tarzeau: lol what's that? |
| 11:31.37 | ratrace | NoneDone: pastebin that journalctl -b --no-pager again please |
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| 11:32.02 | tarzeau | ratrace: nethack almost ascended, then cometh systemd |
| 11:32.24 | tarzeau | ratrace: don't tell me you don't know www.nethack.org :) most fun adventure game |
| 11:32.25 | ratrace | tarzeau: you mean it clobbers output? |
| 11:32.32 | tarzeau | it's just a comic strip joke |
| 11:32.38 | ratrace | oh :) |
| 11:32.44 | tarzeau | yes, people play that DAYS! and systemd kills the ascension |
| 11:33.05 | ratrace | well, easy to configure journald.conf not to output anything to console :) |
| 11:33.39 | tarzeau | you only got ONE life, gameover and you start at dungeon level 1 again... and they're random, and you need to go down 30-45 to find the amulet of yendor (read backwards), then bring it back to dlvl:1 and then 0,-1..-3 or so |
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| 11:33.57 | tarzeau | ratrace: should be default, not to be configured |
| 11:34.21 | ratrace | ForwardToConsole=no; ForwardToWall=no; ForwardtoWall is Yes by default. and that's DISTRO defaults fault, not really systemd's ;) |
| 11:34.31 | abff_ | Is there a simple package I can download from the repositories to install debian from my existing insta |
| 11:34.37 | NoneDone | ratrace https://pastebin.com/3mYjUUpU |
| 11:34.56 | ratrace | tarzeau: systemd internals grind my gears in many places, but vast majority of issues I've had with it, is due to bad distro defaults |
| 11:34.57 | abff_ | install onto another disk, one that used in the livecd installer or netinst |
| 11:35.19 | abff_ | Or do I have to install the old fashioned way |
| 11:35.37 | tarzeau | ratrace: so biebl should set a sane distro default... try telling him |
| 11:35.58 | ratrace | NoneDone: try After=network-online.target or After=networking.service (note: networking not network) |
| 11:36.27 | ratrace | actually... not sure networking.service is correct condition, it's an oneshot with no readiness notification, so try network-online.target |
| 11:36.38 | NoneDone | Okay |
| 11:38.36 | ratrace | NoneDone: currently the problem is still that "Jul 22 12:24:57 debian kernel: ax88179_178a 3-1:1.0 enx8cae4ce9bb0c: renamed from eth0" happens after nftables.service is running; that's probably due to interfaces(5) running concurrently and not activating the interface fast enough |
| 11:38.41 | ratrace | ehhhh |
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| 11:44.26 | NoneDone | ratrace almost |
| 11:44.48 | NoneDone | Now just the VPN's interface is the problem |
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| 11:45.11 | ratrace | NoneDone: how's the VPN set up? |
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| 11:46.44 | NoneDone | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-debian-10 |
| 11:46.49 | NoneDone | Like that :)) |
| 11:46.54 | NoneDone | Step by step |
| 11:48.38 | NoneDone | In fact.. There is two services.. One is just openvpn.servce . The second one is openvpn@server.service |
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| 11:49.51 | wingedrhino | Can someone tell me if there's a .deb powered distro that's somewhat stable, but rolling release? I used to use Sidux back in 2008 but that project is dead now. |
| 11:50.38 | aaro | wingedrhino: debian testing |
| 11:51.20 | ratrace | NoneDone: same problem really, but openvpn@.service is also running After=network-online.target ; so basically take the common denominator and make nftables.service run After=openvpn.service ; the openvpn@.service is PartOf=openvpn.service, so that one target should suffice |
| 11:52.01 | wingedrhino | aaro: does it aggressively track the mainline kernel? |
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| 11:52.25 | ratrace | wingedrhino: with an added caveat emptor that Debian Testing is not receiving security fixes until they're part of regular upgrade of a package in Testing |
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| 11:53.11 | wingedrhino | How usable is sid? I think Sidux was just a thin layer on Sid. |
| 11:53.21 | towo^work | and sidux is now aptosid and that was forked to siduction |
| 11:53.23 | NoneDone | It's not working. That was my first job after your assistance for network-online.target |
| 11:53.45 | ratrace | NoneDone: what exactly is not working? |
| 11:53.58 | wingedrhino | towo^work: yieks. waaay too many name changes lol |
| 11:54.12 | towo^work | wingedrhino, siduction is active since it was created |
| 11:54.15 | abff_ | wingedrhino: sid was great last time I used it |
| 11:54.52 | abff_ | I only encountered a few hiccups in pkg mgmt which were fixed fairly quickly |
| 11:55.28 | NoneDone | ratrace - autostart after reboot. Now the error is just for missing VPN interface |
| 11:56.19 | ratrace | NoneDone: so you've set nftables.service to run After=openvpn.service ? |
| 11:56.19 | NoneDone | Error: Interface does not exist tun0 |
| 11:56.34 | PyR3X | After=network-online.target openvpn@yourservice.service sys-devices-virtual-net-tun0.device |
| 11:56.43 | PyR3X | Wants=network-online.target openvpn@yourservice.service |
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| 11:57.27 | ratrace | this After=sys-devices-virtual-net-tun0.device was my next suggestion, just make nftables wait on BOTH devices too (the problem is also with an USB NIC) |
| 11:57.40 | NoneDone | So, i just added another line under network-target. The line is "After=openvpn.service" |
| 11:57.55 | ratrace | so, After=network-online.target openvpn@yourservice.service sys-devices-virtual-net-tun0.device sys-devices-virtual-net-enx8cae4ce9bb0c.device |
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| 11:58.08 | NoneDone | Okay |
| 11:58.18 | ratrace | although openvpn.service should suffice, as @ template is PartOf=openvpn.service |
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| 11:59.33 | NoneDone | Okay. I'm going away again |
| 11:59.34 | PyR3X | don't use the server/client use the straight up openvpn@ template |
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| 12:03.00 | ws2k3 | i do not have mailq on my system. but i do have the showq socket. is there something i can echo/nc/telnet to the unix socket to check the queue size? |
| 12:03.02 | ws2k3 | (regarding postfix) |
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| 12:05.11 | KOLANICH | I have tried both triggers and dpkg hooks. but none of them have given me the name of the package being installed |
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| 12:05.59 | ratrace | KOLANICH: bad hack, but ==> shim dpkg call with a custom, say, /usr/local/bin script and put that earliest in the PATH |
| 12:06.13 | Fox | ws2k3: you have postfix without the mailq command ? are you sure ? |
| 12:06.25 | ws2k3 | Fox: lets say yes |
| 12:06.44 | KOLANICH | ratrace: I guess I shouldn't ship this hack to other users machines |
| 12:06.49 | ws2k3 | Fox: i was just curious if i could cat/echo/nc/telnet anything into the unixsocket to get some output without using mailq |
| 12:06.52 | ratrace | ws2k3: that's impossibru if that's a regular postfix package on debian |
| 12:07.00 | ratrace | KOLANICH: ah, indeed. |
| 12:07.02 | ws2k3 | ratrace: i know |
| 12:07.14 | ratrace | ws2k3: so what's the catch? |
| 12:07.56 | KOLANICH | I wonder if I should modify dpkg to give me the needed info |
| 12:07.58 | ratrace | KOLANICH: then again you seem to have some custom package DB solution there so you're already deviating a lot from stock |
| 12:08.37 | ratrace | ws2k3: also, it's best if you didn't cross-post at the same time accross different channels, like in #postfix for example |
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| 12:09.41 | KOLANICH | ratrace: not quite, I just don't want to use debhelper because it is a shit and have coded something that may be better |
| 12:10.06 | ratrace | KOLANICH: I won't pretend I understood your use case entirely :) |
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| 12:11.36 | KOLANICH | ratrace: one of its features is autodiscovery of deps. It inspects the files in the package for deps. I mewn it scans all elfs and resolves the shared libs. Then the shared libs paths are converted to package names using the inverted index |
| 12:11.50 | KOLANICH | *mean |
| 12:12.20 | ratrace | KOLANICH: why elf scan? is apt cache (r)depends insufficient? |
| 12:13.48 | KOLANICH | ratrace: it scans the newly built packages. You just drops a link to a github repo with a supported build system + additional args to it, my tool automatically builds the package. Metadata is partially generated automatically. |
| 12:14.00 | KOLANICH | *drop |
| 12:14.11 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: where is it? |
| 12:14.45 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: does it handle font packages that need be built using fontmake? (input files .glyphs)? |
| 12:15.10 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: scons? cmake? make? what build systems do you support? |
| 12:15.27 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: it is called prebuilder.py but it is very unmature and unfinished, pretty a lot of work. It doesn't handle font packages. For now only elfs. other langs are also planned, but not now. |
| 12:15.55 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: your nick is .pl? is your prebuilder.py on github? |
| 12:15.56 | ratrace | KOLANICH: ah cool |
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| 12:17.43 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: are you aware of repology.org ? |
| 12:18.06 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: when i built debian packages and solaris packages (i had some scripts to transfer meta data), and later freebsd ports, as well |
| 12:18.08 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: my nickname is KOLANICH |
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| 12:18.51 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: https://github.com/KOLANICH/prebuilder.py |
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| 12:21.06 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: and yes, I am aware of repology and I'd like to utilize it. The tool uses global distro-agnostic package identifiers and transfoms them into distro-specific ones according to the rules |
| 12:21.24 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: strange, i like the debian/rules makefiles, hardly ever did i find something not doable |
| 12:23.18 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: you likely haven't used them for more complex tasks, like repackaging fedora packages into debian ones with fixing paths or repackaging other prebuilt packages distributed as tar.gz. |
| 12:23.31 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: it requires custom logic |
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| 12:24.01 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: i've packaged many packages not even in fedora yet, or in fedora-but-not-yet-in-debian for debian... |
| 12:24.38 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: my starting point has always been the upstream source repo though, and the fedora one only maybe to look at it, how they screw around with broken things, if they do (seldom did i find something useful) |
| 12:25.15 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: care to name a few complex tasked software packgages you're referring to, so i can get an idea? |
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| 12:31.28 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: mingw64* from fedora repos. I had to write some scripts fixing the paths for debian. And some scripts to deduplicate. Or GraalVM from GitHub releases. Again, unpacking, verification, tearing. Also interaction to graalvm package manager (gu) is required to package the stuff like graalpython and truffleruby. That stuff downloads the packages sequentially, if we want to speed-up, we want to download parallelly. I.e. using aria2c. This is alâ |
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| 12:31.29 | KOLANICH | …so custom code. We also don't want to install, instead we want to unpack. etc. etc. etc. In future maybe tensorflow. |
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| 12:31.53 | ratrace | NoneDone: Works now? Reason I didn't want to recommend depending on specific devices first is to make a generic dependency case instead, so if you add or remove NICs later, your nftables is still working properly; so I'd rather try with After=openvpn.service, which includes the openvpn @ templated services, which includes running after network-online.target, which includes having the static NIC brought |
| 12:31.59 | ratrace | up by interfaces(5), ie. the common denominator of all possible cases without specific (fragile) device dependency. |
| 12:32.09 | NoneDone | Nope |
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| 12:32.58 | ratrace | NoneDone: but adding .device dependencies SHOULD've worked. you sure you made it correctly? can you pastebin nftables.service you have? |
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| 12:34.13 | NoneDone | Yes, I've tried so many combinations. |
| 12:34.32 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: ouch, 3 headache examples |
| 12:34.48 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: tensorflow 1.x or 2.x? |
| 12:34.56 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: 2 |
| 12:35.08 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: with cuda 9.x? 10.x? or 11.x? |
| 12:35.19 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: no cuda, cpu |
| 12:35.41 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: I have an AMD GPU |
| 12:35.44 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: we also have these problems, and reprepro repos for like bionic, focal, xenial, stretch, buster... with like ~550 packages |
| 12:36.37 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: we have ~200 machines, a 64 node slurm cluster, 50 machines with cuda (incl. cudnn) pytorch/tensorflow (up to 8 gpus in one node) all of them are workstations (some in the serverroom with 10gbit links) |
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| 12:36.54 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: still some xfs, but mostly btrfs (with zram + live filesystem compression) |
| 12:37.42 | NoneDone | ratrace, guys thank for support me. I will keep digging tonight |
| 12:37.53 | ratrace | NoneDone: can you pastebin the nftables.service with After= entries you tried? |
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| 12:39.50 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: do you do science stuff? or what do you do with your linux? |
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| 12:41.03 | NoneDone | ratrace https://pastebin.com/5Qk32CGz |
| 12:41.09 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: I fit experimental curves to analytical formulas. |
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| 12:41.31 | KOLANICH | tarzeau: optics mostly |
| 12:42.05 | tarzeau | KOLANICH: and that's needed where? physics? |
| 12:42.23 | KOLANICH | yes, physics. |
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| 12:42.37 | NoneDone | line 4,5,7 etc. I've tried with openvpn.service, openvpn@.service and openvpn@server.service |
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| 12:43.43 | NoneDone | Also, i've tried to add Before=nftables.services in openvpn@.service and openvpn.services |
| 12:43.45 | ratrace | NoneDone: and you tried out with full reboots? otherwise did you run systemctl daemon-reload? |
| 12:43.58 | NoneDone | Full reboot |
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| 12:44.49 | ratrace | NoneDone: can you pastebin systemd-analyze critical-chain please? |
| 12:46.03 | NoneDone | ratrace https://pastebin.com/4iDGk37P |
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| 12:55.39 | NoneDone | re |
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| 13:02.06 | ratrace | NoneDone: |
| 13:02.24 | ratrace | NoneDone: can you pastebin systemctl list-units --no-pager please? something tells me those aren't correct .device names |
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| 13:02.53 | ratrace | NoneDone: systemctl list-units --no-pager | grep .device |
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| 13:07.28 | NoneDone | https://controlc.com/b08b92ea |
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| 13:07.48 | NoneDone | Sorry, i hit a limit in pastebin |
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| 13:10.14 | ratrace | NoneDone: well, the device names _are_ correct. Not sure why it's not working then. I'd like to help you more now, but I have to leave the office, be back later. |
| 13:10.51 | NoneDone | Thank you for support me |
| 13:11.17 | NoneDone | I appreciate it |
| 13:11.32 | ratrace | good luck |
| 13:11.37 | NoneDone | It's not a pain |
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| 13:51.52 | nbusrone | Anyone here using nvidia driver on Desktop ? The brightness get reset for every restart , logout or wake up on the monitor , opening a web browser with youtube also affected. |
| 13:53.24 | nbusrone | ' |
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| 14:17.47 | blodkorv | hi |
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| 14:18.53 | nbusrone | blodkorv : hi |
| 14:19.51 | blodkorv | hows it going? :) |
| 14:20.31 | nbusrone | blodkorv : Nothing much ,seeking for help here. |
| 14:20.42 | nbusrone | blodkorv : Are you using nvidia driver desktop ? |
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| 14:22.23 | blodkorv | sadly no |
| 14:22.49 | blodkorv | i dont play games so i own a graphics card |
| 14:22.58 | blodkorv | only using the one built in to the cpu |
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| 14:31.04 | nbusrone | blodkorv : not about gaming, since it's on cpu is intel which use backlight i assume , or it's a nvidia driver ? |
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| 14:33.30 | blodkorv | backlight? |
| 14:33.41 | blodkorv | idk what driver it is, but some opensource intel driver |
| 14:33.43 | blodkorv | i assume |
| 14:33.54 | blodkorv | it has decent desktop performance at least |
| 14:34.17 | blodkorv | i should try to run some 3d thing just to see if it support 3d |
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| 14:40.11 | dreamer | nbusrone: display brightness (laptop?) is afaik not related to the gpu |
| 14:40.25 | dreamer | which window manager are you using? |
| 14:41.47 | nbusrone | dreamer : as I mention nvidia driver on Desktop 440 |
| 14:42.42 | nbusrone | dreamer : I am using ubuntu debian base and I went to the #ubuntu and #nvidia channel but no one able to answer my question |
| 14:43.27 | nbusrone | dreamer : I really hope I can seek some information regarding with the brightness reset before i fill up the bug report to confirm which is actually the culprit . |
| 14:44.01 | nbusrone | dreamer : can you help me ? |
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| 14:48.07 | annadane | what is "ubuntu debian base" |
| 14:48.11 | annadane | is it ubuntu or not? |
| 14:48.27 | somiaj | annadane: there are various distros based on ubuntu |
| 14:49.54 | nbusrone | annadane : ubuntu distro based on Debian. |
| 14:50.06 | nbusrone | somiaj : 18.04 |
| 14:50.25 | annadane | then i would wait for a response in the ubuntu channel |
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| 14:51.39 | nbusrone | annadane : no one will response on my question because I am newbie. |
| 14:51.44 | somiaj | !ubuntu |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 14:52.08 | somiaj | nbusrone: ubuntu support is better done over their forums, always see good stuff there. But part of a distro is its support community. This community is only for debian pure blends. |
| 14:52.47 | nbusrone | somiaj : ok , so i will ask again over the channel. |
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| 14:53.01 | nbusrone | somiaj : I though both are similar. |
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| 14:53.30 | somiaj | nbusrone: I see lots of good info from ubuntu on their askubuntur forums, that might get better support (seaching through it too) than irc |
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| 14:53.59 | somiaj | nbusrone: debian and ubuntu use the same package manager and optional/extra package sources, but the core systems are quite different. |
| 14:54.07 | dreamer | nbusrone: go to #ubuntu |
| 14:54.13 | dreamer | (and you didn't answer my question at all) |
| 14:54.16 | somiaj | so outside of ubuntu can use .deb's, there are actually tons of differences (and quite important ones) |
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| 14:55.15 | dreamer | somiaj: honestly, the ubuntu forums are usually dead ends and lots of noobs trying to "anwser" by giving weird suggestions |
| 14:55.17 | nbusrone | dreamer : which question ? |
| 14:55.23 | dreamer | (but maybe I'm looking for too specific things) |
| 14:55.42 | dreamer | nbusrone: I asked you what window manager you are using. but since you are not even using debian. you should go to the support channels of your distribution, as suggested. |
| 14:55.47 | somiaj | dreamer: I just mention them because I always find good answers to questions there (never asked any though) |
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| 14:56.06 | dreamer | somiaj: ok, I usually find non-answers |
| 14:57.02 | nbusrone | dreamer : Wayland |
| 14:57.20 | somiaj | It could also be the only place I get there is from google, so only find the good answers and didn't realize there are lots of bad ones |
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| 14:57.40 | dreamer | nbusrone: not a window manager. and again -> go to #ubuntu with your questions |
| 14:58.20 | annadane | also as a general cautionary advice, don't just google a question for ubuntu and blindly take advice from the ubuntu forums, many of those results are years old and may not apply |
| 14:58.21 | nbusrone | somiaj : I did a lot of google search but no result on my question. |
| 14:58.55 | nbusrone | dreamer : ok i will go and ask there thanks |
| 14:59.29 | nbusrone | annadane : my question actually quite complicated since I am newbie , I don't know how to express the condition. |
| 15:00.18 | dreamer | #ubuntu is used to those |
| 15:00.23 | dreamer | :# |
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| 15:09.57 | nbusrone | dreamer : Stacking window managers - Metacity and compositor window managers - Wayland .I found out , both also the having the same issue. |
| 15:11.17 | dreamer | again, we are not here to give support to Ubuntu |
| 15:11.29 | dreamer | please direct all your questions and remarks to the kind folks in #ubuntu |
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| 15:13.50 | nbusrone | dreamer : ok thanks , I reply your question :) |
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| 15:18.15 | epictetus2 | if I want to send email from my little personal debian server just for simple notifications, which software am I looking for? |
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| 15:23.48 | petn-randall | epictetus2: It depends to a great amount on the details. I'd either go with postfix or nullmailer, but depends on your use case how to configure them. |
| 15:24.07 | petn-randall | epictetus2: What kind of notifications do you want to send, and to where? |
| 15:25.03 | epictetus2 | I have a bash script that checks uptime of servers and I want an email when they go down. |
| 15:25.13 | epictetus2 | To my personal email at google |
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| 15:27.47 | epictetus2 | petn-randall: thanks! |
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| 15:29.26 | tristero | epictetus2: I use "dma" for this purpose |
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| 15:31.19 | arka | hi all |
| 15:34.01 | petn-randall | epictetus2: You then might want to skip that altogether and use some piece of monitoring software. |
| 15:35.30 | arka | how to use Microsoft windows remote desktop to connect my debian linux 9 |
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| 15:41.23 | somiaj | arka: why do you want to use a remote desktop (I personally suggest just using mobaxterm) |
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| 15:41.45 | somiaj | it allow syou to ssh to the system and you can do most things that way, and it has x-forwarding setup, if you want to run a xorg app |
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| 15:54.54 | Mat63 | Hi, A netinst CD allows me to install the complete system ... Debian. Now it's okay that when I start I only have tty on the screen? |
| 15:56.24 | sney | that sounds like you didn't have a network connection during the install, and instead only got the small base system included on the netinst iso |
| 15:56.30 | Mat63 | How to access the graphical environment from the console (tty1)? |
| 15:56.36 | sney | this is common especially if you were trying to install over wifi. |
| 15:56.49 | Mat63 | yes |
| 15:57.05 | petn-randall | !firmware installer |
| 15:57.05 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 15:57.17 | petn-randall | Mat63: You likely want to try installing with this. ^^^ |
| 15:57.33 | Mat63 | I have the option of automatic network configuration, but failed due to ignorance |
| 15:57.36 | tinga | What's the best way to set up remote file access (security and convenience are important, performance is not) between two Debian boxes? |
| 15:57.37 | petn-randall | This will allow you to use you wifi device and download any GUI you select during installation. |
| 15:58.01 | petn-randall | tinga: sshfs, I guess. |
| 15:58.02 | sney | tinga: nfs if you have a *very* reliable network connection between them. otherwise, samba |
| 15:58.21 | sney | oh, I misread. not nfs if you care about security |
| 15:58.49 | tinga | petn-randall, sney, sshfs is nice for techies like me but this is for mum, so not sure; I've never used nfs, maybe; samba I've used, still kinda painful. |
| 15:59.31 | tinga | I was thinking maybe WebDAV actually works nowadays? Maybe not? |
| 16:00.20 | sney | webdav? er.. what's the purpose of this file share anyway? |
| 16:00.25 | petn-randall | tinga: Are there any other details? If it's for your non-techie mum you might want to use something like nextcloud for file sharing and web frontend access. |
| 16:00.42 | tinga | Just exchanging files for printing or from scanning and the like. |
| 16:01.05 | tinga | The occasional copied DVD maybe. |
| 16:01.39 | tinga | The two computers are both in the same local network. |
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| 16:01.50 | tinga | So cloud is kinda pointless. |
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| 16:02.06 | sney | samba. it can be annoying to set up but it's intended for this scenario |
| 16:02.18 | tinga | Alright, thanks! |
| 16:03.44 | Mat63 | Is it recommended to do all this procedure, how do you practice, or do I try other things? |
| 16:05.09 | sney | Mat63: you can try to install the firmware for your wifi card manually, but it's easier to start over with the firmware-included netinst that dpkg linked above. |
| 16:06.00 | Mat63 | I am signed to that link, so ask |
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| 16:06.42 | Mat63 | for this reason ask |
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| 16:07.13 | Mat63 | for this reason i asked |
| 16:07.15 | sney | are you asking for more details? sorry, it's not clear. |
| 16:07.24 | Mat63 | yes |
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| 16:08.28 | sney | most linux wifi drivers need an extra binary component that is not in the regular debian netinst CD image. they are in the firmware image instead. |
| 16:08.34 | sney | oh, I see petn-randall sent the wrong link. |
| 16:08.37 | sney | !firmware image |
| 16:08.37 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:08.42 | annadane | i guess a decent general rule is free image for desktops, nonfree for laptops |
| 16:08.51 | Mat63 | I'm going to finish reading and then asked what's up |
| 16:08.53 | annadane | or nonfree for wifi in general |
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| 16:09.09 | sney | ^^ at this link from dpkg, you can find the firmware image to install your debian system over wifi. |
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| 16:10.32 | Mat63 | brb |
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| 16:48.00 | nebunez | Hey, I'm running Debain bullseye (testing) but I wonder if people on stable are being affected by a bug in xserver-xorg-video-intel involving a segfault with iris_dri.so when running GL applications, e.g. glxgears. |
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| 16:50.46 | somiaj | nebunez: what intel card do you have? |
| 16:50.59 | sney | I *think* I've only seen that intel video issue referenced with bullseye but a bug number would help make sure |
| 16:51.27 | nebunez | Bug#959400 |
| 16:51.34 | somiaj | although not able to verify if the bug is there are not, I think it is more proper to use the modesetting driver and not xserver-xorg-video-intel with most intel chipsets |
| 16:51.44 | sney | #959400 |
| 16:51.45 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/959400 in src:mesa (closed, upstream): «mesa: SIGSEGV in iris_dri.so using mpv or glxgears, Intel HD Graphics 620»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-05-02; last modified: 2020-07-16. |
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| 16:55.30 | nebunez | So, how do I interepret that (this is my first time tracking a bug like this in testing)? I see it says, "in src:mesa (closed, upstream)", does that mean it was fixed? I've been checking the issue on mail-archive.com for weeks for an update but I'm not sure what to look for. |
| 16:56.39 | sney | yes, as the last message in the thread says, "We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of |
| 16:56.40 | sney | xserver-xorg-video-intel, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive." |
| 16:57.19 | nebunez | oh wow, I've been following the wrong site all along it seems |
| 16:57.43 | sney | it would be uploaded to sid first, then if there aren't any rc bugs after 10 days it'll also hit testing. (sid packages can be installed directly on testing if you'd prefer not to wait) so the earliest it's likely to be in bullseye would be sunday |
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| 16:58.29 | nebunez | excellent, thank you so much for the help. I'll start using bugs.debian.org instead of mail-archive.com in the future |
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| 16:59.08 | sney | it's a pretty crucial resource for testing users, as is tracker.debian.org |
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| 16:59.54 | nebunez | added both to my bookmarks :) |
| 17:00.32 | somiaj | nebunez: also, you may want to explore just using the modesetting driver over the intel one |
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| 17:01.00 | nebunez | I have been using the modesetting driver since that bug affected me, but video playback is not as smooth as when using the intel driver |
| 17:02.56 | somiaj | what intel card? |
| 17:03.16 | somiaj | On my card I noticed the opposite, the modesetting driver was smoother than the intel one |
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| 17:06.53 | nebunez | Intel UHD 620 |
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| 17:07.09 | nebunez | I don't know, I guess I can do some more comparisons |
| 17:07.19 | nebunez | I'm also running a 4k display out from my laptop if that makes any difference |
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| 17:11.18 | zethius | Debian GNOME or Debian KDE? |
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| 17:13.43 | nebunez | neither, I run just X with i3 |
| 17:14.00 | NetTerminalGene | anyone use thunderbird irc client here? |
| 17:14.13 | nevivurn | !anyone |
| 17:14.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:15.08 | NetTerminalGene | stfu |
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| 17:50.56 | nebunez | I just reinstalled the intel driver (it works), did some back and forth comparisons with the modesetting driver by running glxgears and streaming video via mpv, and I can confirm that I'm getting smoother video playback with the intel driver on my HDMI output; I see no difference on the laptop display itself. |
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| 17:53.59 | diogenes_ | nebunez, modesetting works better for me, video playback barely take 5% CPU. |
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| 18:30.50 | epictetus2 | What is the most minimal software package for adding a handwritten signature on a pdf? (using my hand) |
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| 18:31.53 | ZitZ | hi, has anyone had any luck with install nvidia proprietary drivers on bullseye. The nvidia module will not load with modprobe nvidia |
| 18:32.21 | ZitZ | i've successfuly blacklisted nouveau |
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| 18:40.04 | annadane | epictetus2, i don't know about *most* minimal but xournal |
| 18:40.34 | annadane | dpkg, tell ZitZ about debian-next |
| 18:41.24 | ZitZ | invite me |
| 18:41.29 | annadane | ZitZ, oftc, not freenode |
| 18:41.30 | epictetus2 | annadane: ill try it |
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| 19:02.09 | nebunez | diogenes_: I hadn't even considered cpu use tbh, I was just looking at performance; I'll have to check that too |
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| 19:04.35 | diogenes_ | nebunez, CPU usage and temperature are very important because on those two factors depends how long your CPU will serve you. |
| 19:05.48 | nebunez | do you have any recommendations for benchmarking ? |
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| 19:09.55 | diogenes_ | nebunez, check temp with sensors command. |
| 19:10.37 | diogenes_ | and CPU usage with htop. |
| 19:10.54 | nebunez | ok thank you |
| 19:12.25 | diogenes_ | you're welcome, you can even observe which driver makes your fans louder. |
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| 19:18.44 | nebunez | I don't think I have any fans in my laptop; I've never heard any |
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| 20:01.12 | kittonian | hi all. i've got an hp 1810-24G switch and in order to keep the time/date correct, I enabled SNTP and pointed it towards my debian box running NTP. It successfully got the date but the time is 1 hour off. The debian box's time/date are perfect. Any ideas of what to check? |
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| 20:01.41 | greycat | local timezone |
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| 20:03.50 | kittonian | greycat, I ran a reconfig on tzdata and ensured that everything was set correctly and it is |
| 20:03.54 | kittonian | am I missing something else? |
| 20:04.24 | greycat | Not on the Debian system, silly. On the system that is reporting the time "incorrectly". |
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| 20:04.55 | kittonian | greycat, ahh. that is set to the correct timezone |
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| 20:06.08 | kittonian | there is a daylight savings time option that is disabled right now. i wonder if that's what's doing it |
| 20:06.10 | greycat | from google search result: Oct 25, 2010 - NTP does not handle time zones. All time data handled by NTP is in UTC; your local time zone setting determines the offset from there. |
| 20:06.13 | kittonian | on the switch i mean |
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| 20:06.30 | kittonian | yup saw that same google result when i searched |
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| 20:09.03 | epictetus2 | are all software in apt main repo free software? considering installing the telegram-desktop client but a bit sceptic about malware/privacy |
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| 20:10.32 | kittonian | this is so strange. setting daylight savings time didn't do anything. i think that must be for manual clock settings |
| 20:10.35 | KOLANICH | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966084 |
| 20:11.04 | kittonian | it shows that the sntp server update took place 5 hours in the future, but it is setting the clock 1hr behind |
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| 20:12.44 | greycat | You've been incredibly vague this whole time. Just to be absolutely clear: when you run "date -u" on the Debian system, what does it say? |
| 20:13.41 | kittonian | don't mean to be vague. happy to check whatever is asked |
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| 20:14.11 | kittonian | date -u shows the UTC and that is what the switch is showing for it's last SNTP update |
| 20:14.17 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:14.24 | greycat | What. Does. date -u Say? |
| 20:14.29 | kittonian | Wed Jul 22 20:13:46 UTC 2020 |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | OK. Good. Then the Debian system's clock *is* correct, and NTP should be sending the correct time. |
| 20:14.56 | kittonian | yes |
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| 20:33.03 | kittonian | greycat, fixed it. had to manually setup daylight savings time on the switch and put in the 2nd sunday in march and the 1st sunday in november with a 60 minute offset for it to calculate properly. seems like this is something that should be automatic in 2020, lol |
| 20:33.07 | kittonian | thanks for helping |
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| 20:41.14 | JustTheDoctor | can anyone tell me why this https://gist.github.com/justthedoctor/b6f0a5cca55c62fa8bdf758fbc7d23a9 isnt blocking the ip in the list? |
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| 21:06.57 | jhutchins | !find |
| 21:07.29 | brenlae | hello, i was browsing the internet (youtube) and i heard a quick system beep, i can't seem to find anything running in the task manager that shouldn't be - i am on Debian 10.04 |
| 21:08.35 | brenlae | perhaps it's just a minor bug, i'm thinking |
| 21:08.49 | brenlae | i have an AMD apu, and i use chrome |
| 21:08.55 | diogenes_ | brenlae, maybe it was in the video. |
| 21:09.06 | brenlae | diogenes_: no i rewatched just to be sure |
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| 21:11.16 | diogenes_ | brenlae, if you open a terminal and hit backspace does it make that beep? |
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| 21:11.38 | brenlae | no i disabled that |
| 21:12.07 | jhutchins | I can't get the -depth command to work in find. find . -type d -depth 1 gives me the generic "Pathss must preceed,,," error. |
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| 21:12.23 | jhutchins | greycat: You around? |
| 21:12.42 | brenlae | it's the first time it's happened |
| 21:12.50 | brenlae | i've been running this installation for 2 years |
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| 21:12.58 | brenlae | i guess it's no huge deal |
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| 21:13.44 | jhutchins | brenlae: Your computer is haunted! |
| 21:13.50 | mutante | jhutchins: "maxdepth" instead of "depth" ? |
| 21:13.52 | brenlae | lol |
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| 21:14.30 | greycat | -depth is a global option. It does not take a numeric argument. |
| 21:14.44 | greycat | It turns on depth-first-search (instead of breadth-first). |
| 21:14.55 | jhutchins | D'Oh |
| 21:15.19 | jhutchins | mutante: Maxdepth is the trick, thanks. |
| 21:15.28 | mutante | yw |
| 21:15.51 | f8e4 | hey guys |
| 21:16.27 | f8e4 | i do have htop show: (sd-pam) with VIRT 23480; what is this? |
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| 21:16.57 | jhutchins | Just goes to show you can scan through a manpage and still not know what you're doing. |
| 21:16.58 | f8e4 | pid is my username, is all ok? |
| 21:17.04 | annadane | (10.04 doesn't exist, it's 10.4 /pedantic) |
| 21:18.33 | brenlae | oh 10.4 sorry |
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| 21:19.19 | brenlae | well, thanks, i guess it was just a once off bug - have a nice day everyone :) |
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| 21:21.04 | NetTerminalGene | test |
| 21:21.41 | sney | !test |
| 21:21.41 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 21:21.42 | wonderer | Welcome to my room! |
| 21:22.01 | sney | wonderer: this isn't your room. turn that off |
| 21:22.25 | annadane | f8e4, i'm not sure how to investigate what a pid is doing but i'm not sure that sounds suspicious or anything |
| 21:22.29 | NetTerminalGene | i stay in chamber |
| 21:22.30 | annadane | others will probably be able to tell you |
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| 21:26.53 | sney | f8e4: sd-pam is a systemd component for pam, which handles authentication. it's a normal part of your system. I believe it has an occasional memory leak bug, but if you don't see it going nuts with memory usage, then it's doing what it's supposed to. |
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| 21:28.41 | tom_ | Hello |
| 21:28.50 | sney | hi |
| 21:28.57 | tom_ | How can I bring an interface alias up, but not assign any ip to it |
| 21:29.22 | sney | ifconfig interfacename up |
| 21:29.36 | tom_ | I have multiple internal ipv4 address, and one of them is floating. However I dont want the system to assign the floating ip itself that will be managed by keepalived |
| 21:29.44 | tarzeau | sney: and if you don't have ifconfig? |
| 21:29.54 | sney | I believe there's an ip link command too but I don't remember the syntax. man ip |
| 21:30.08 | tom_ | I tried adding auto eth0:1 |
| 21:30.08 | tom_ | allow-hotplug eth0:1 in /etc/network/interfaces but upon rc-service networking restart, i get |
| 21:30.20 | tom_ | ....] Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifdown: ignoring unknown interface eth0:1=eth0:1 |
| 21:30.21 | tom_ | Restarting openntpd: ntpd. |
| 21:30.21 | tom_ | ifup: unknown interface eth0:1 |
| 21:30.21 | tom_ | failed. |
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| 21:30.27 | sney | no long pastes in the ... dangit |
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| 21:30.33 | sney | !paste |
| 21:30.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:31.01 | tarzeau | i usually create an /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat that i link to S99 |
| 21:31.05 | tom_ | ....] Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifdown: ignoring unknown interface eth0:1=eth0:1 ifup: unknown interface eth0:1 |
| 21:31.06 | tom_ | failed. |
| 21:31.09 | sney | anyway yes it's ip link set x up, where x is your eth0:1 etc. |
| 21:31.33 | tarzeau | sney: i always install ifconfig |
| 21:31.40 | tom_ | but how do i setup /etc/network/interfaces so that I don't have to do that by hand |
| 21:31.53 | mutante | tom_: interfaces have new naming standard nowadays. check with "ip a s" how it's called.. something like "enp0...." ? |
| 21:31.53 | tom_ | the system should come up with an aliased interface |
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| 21:32.13 | tom_ | mutante, I'm not using that |
| 21:32.18 | tom_ | it's eth0 |
| 21:33.16 | sney | when you're troubleshooting your /etc/network/interfaces config, use ifup/ifdown eth0:1 instead of restarting the whole networking service, so you only get relevant error messages |
| 21:33.44 | sney | I haven't dealt with subifs in a minute, but could you pastebin your interfaces file? |
| 21:33.59 | tom_ | ok |
| 21:34.24 | tom_ | but how do i setup an interface alias without any inet or inet6 addresses bound to it |
| 21:34.39 | tom_ | not how do i do that at runtime, but how do i configure /etc/network/interfaces to do that at boot |
| 21:35.03 | tom_ | just iface eth0:1 ? |
| 21:35.12 | tom_ | no inet static |
| 21:35.28 | dvs | manual? |
| 21:35.43 | mutante | auto eth0:1 |
| 21:35.48 | tom_ | if i do that i get |
| 21:35.49 | sney | 'man 5 interfaces' should have that information. I *think* that when you're dealing with subifs, if you assign an address to the main interface (eth0) and you create a subinterface (eth0:1) without an address, it will just have the address from eth0. so addresses should only be assigned to the subifs |
| 21:35.49 | tom_ | ifup: /etc/network/interfaces:31: unknown or no address type and no inherits keyword specified |
| 21:36.56 | tom_ | interfaces from manual 5 is missing. Is there a package that installs that documentation? |
| 21:37.11 | sney | man-db |
| 21:37.44 | tom_ | I have man-db installed |
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| 21:38.23 | tom_ | and mutante I have auto eth0:1 and allow-hotplug eth0:1 |
| 21:38.25 | plt | Is the package name direct cli with vertical pinstripes is named tw-cli? |
| 21:38.43 | sney | ,file interfaces.5.gz |
| 21:38.48 | judd | Search for interfaces.5.gz in buster/amd64: bridge-utils: usr/share/man/man5/bridge-utils-interfaces.5.gz; shorewall: usr/share/man/man5/shorewall-interfaces.5.gz, usr/share/man/man5/shorewall-tcinterfaces.5.gz; ifupdown: usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz; shorewall6: usr/share/man/man5/shorewall6-interfaces.5.gz, usr/share/man/man5/shorewall6-tcinterfaces.5.gz; ifupdown-multi: |
| 21:38.49 | judd | usr/share/man/man5/ifupdown-multi-interfaces.5.gz; vlan: usr/share/man/man5/vlan-interfaces.5.gz; ifupdown2: usr/share/man/man5/ifupdown-addons-interfaces.5.gz, usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz |
| 21:38.51 | mutante | tom_: that _should_ be used if "ifup -a" and at boot time.. says the manpage .. hrmm |
| 21:39.09 | sney | it's in 'ifupdown' which you should also have installed. :/ |
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| 21:39.41 | mutante | ifup and ifdown have been deprecated too, right? |
| 21:40.04 | sney | no, it's still priority:important here on bullseye |
| 21:40.56 | sney | there's probably a way to not have it on a debian system, like if you followed a howto that said to always disable recommends, but that file should be present on any sane install |
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| 21:44.44 | tom_ | this is my config |
| 21:44.45 | tom_ | http://0x0.st/iwBU.txt |
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| 21:46.07 | tom_ | when i try # ifup eth0:1 all i get is an error basiclly telling me the syntax is wrong ifup: /etc/network/interfaces:30: unknown or no address type and no inherits keyword specified |
| 21:46.09 | mutante | tom_: is it missing the "inet" part for eth0:1 ? |
| 21:46.11 | sney | if you put an ifup command in /etc/network/interfaces it will probably error out, or maybe get stuck in a loop, since ifupdown is already running ifup for each interface named there. |
| 21:46.19 | mutante | tom_: i think "inet" is the "address type" that is missing |
| 21:46.45 | sney | but yes it should be iface eth0:1 inet manual, and the 'up' command should not call ifup. |
| 21:46.45 | tom_ | mutante, yes, I don't want to assign anyIP address to eth0:1 yet, I want keepalived to manage doing that not debian |
| 21:46.54 | tom_ | but debian just needs to bring up the interface alias |
| 21:47.14 | plt | Does anyone know if this package name direct cli with vertical pinstripes is named tw-cli? |
| 21:47.32 | sney | ,v tw-cli |
| 21:47.33 | judd | No package named 'tw-cli' was found in amd64. |
| 21:47.40 | tom_ | sney, just putting up there still results in ifup: /etc/network/interfaces:30: unknown or no address type and no inherits keyword specified |
| 21:47.41 | sney | plt: probably not! what's your real question |
| 21:48.05 | sney | tom_: did you change the line to read 'iface eth0:1 inet manual'? |
| 21:48.24 | mutante | tom_: it does not mean you have to add an "address" line as well |
| 21:48.29 | plt | I need the denian package that does direct cli with vertical pinstripes is named tw-cli? |
| 21:48.41 | tom_ | yes |
| 21:48.57 | sney | plt: your question does not make sense. |
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| 21:49.17 | plt | I need the denian package that does direct cli with vertical pinstripes? |
| 21:49.47 | sney | plt: what is your native language? there may be a channel where you don't have to try english. :) |
| 21:50.18 | tom_ | mutante, sney this is exactly what it looks like http://0x0.st/iwBG.txt |
| 21:50.44 | sney | tom_: one more time, with feeling: iface eth0:1 inet manual |
| 21:50.45 | tom_ | oh wait |
| 21:50.47 | tom_ | inet |
| 21:50.49 | tom_ | I'm sorry |
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| 21:50.53 | mutante | tom_: so the error message is "unknown address type" and the type would be "inet" |
| 21:51.02 | mutante | even if you don't assign an actual IP |
| 21:51.04 | tom_ | I realize what's wrong now |
| 21:51.06 | brenlae | yeah it was my phone that beeped, i'm so sorry for your time, it sounds a lot like a system beep |
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| 21:51.50 | plt | brb |
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| 21:52.07 | tom_ | so now i can run ifup eth0:1 without error, but it still does not have eth0:1 show up under ip a or ifconfig -a |
| 21:52.13 | tom_ | only eth0 and lo are showing up |
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| 21:53.16 | sney | try calling ifup with --verbose, see what it's actually doing |
| 21:54.10 | tom_ | https://dpaste.com/BDGPCPUSZ.txt |
| 21:54.46 | tom_ | what exactly does allow-hotplug do and is it needed? |
| 21:54.51 | sney | ok, does it show in 'ip link'? |
| 21:55.05 | tom_ | no, it does not show up in ip link |
| 21:56.01 | sney | are you sure linode allows this kind of multiplexing? |
| 21:56.28 | tom_ | multiplexing? |
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| 21:56.42 | tom_ | it's a virtual machine |
| 21:56.50 | sney | yes obviously, it's on linode. |
| 21:56.52 | tom_ | and yes i'm sure linode allows floating ips |
| 21:56.56 | sney | are you sure they... ok. |
| 21:56.58 | tom_ | if that's what you mean |
| 21:57.07 | mutante | tom_: hotplug is only needed if the interface is not already present during boot. the example from the manpage says "USB network card" as an example |
| 21:57.24 | tom_ | ok |
| 21:57.28 | mutante | (nothing to do with detecting whether a cable is plugged in) |
| 21:57.44 | sney | because the 'ip link set dev eth0:1 up' run by ifup should have brought the link up, and the fact that it's not may indicate a more fundamental problem. |
| 21:57.58 | tom_ | i can run it by hand |
| 21:58.23 | mutante | can you manually bring it up _WITH_ the IP? |
| 21:59.06 | tom_ | https://dpaste.com/5PEPNXK9S.txt |
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| 22:00.53 | plt | I am looking for the debian package for this https://stripe.com/docs/stripe-cli |
| 22:01.03 | plt | Stripe CLI |
| 22:01.03 | plt | Build, test, and manage your Stripe integration right from the terminal. |
| 22:01.12 | tom_ | mutante, you mean with the ip command or setting inet static in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:02.10 | mutante | tom_: either of them. just to debug to see if everything works if you include the IP. maybe that gives us other hints |
| 22:02.35 | tom_ | https://dpaste.com/3VP5PMN2D |
| 22:02.41 | sney | plt: that page has instructions on it for debian, click the 'apt-get' tab. debian does not distribute this application, so stripe's repository is your only option |
| 22:03.16 | plt | ty |
| 22:04.13 | tom_ | https://dpaste.com/94JUC9WYJ.txt |
| 22:04.21 | tom_ | hmm |
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| 22:05.02 | tom_ | doing in by hand results in inet 123.123.123.123/32 scope global eth0 and doing it via iup results in inet 123.123.123.123/17 brd 123.123.127.255 scope global eth0:1 |
| 22:05.18 | tom_ | but it shows up as a scope global rather than an interface? |
| 22:05.30 | tom_ | actually you know what |
| 22:05.46 | tom_ | does interface aliasing even matter if I'm not using an IPv4 gateway router? |
| 22:06.11 | robi | hi. i have had the misfortune of getting a computer with nvidia. i'm currently trying to build this: https://github.com/madsherlock/nvidiabl while trying to build it, I get this error: https://dpaste.org/Z5dN i checked and there doesn't seem to be a "mkmakefile" in any packages in debian. any idea what this is? |
| 22:06.55 | tom_ | can i just assign as many private ipv4s to a non-aliased interface as i want as long as i only use them to communicate within the same subnet? |
| 22:07.59 | sney | robi: that repository is pretty old, it's not likely that whatever it is supports your 5.7 kernel. also testing/sid questions should go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:08.10 | jhutchins | robi: What did you think you were going to get from some random github repo? It's certainly nothing we can support here. |
| 22:08.13 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 22:08.13 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:08.39 | robi | alright, i tried my luck |
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| 22:09.22 | sney | bl seems to stand for backlight, there may be a more current way to support your backlight controls with 5.7 and the 440 nvidia driver |
| 22:09.37 | sney | but again, #debian-next on oftc for bullseye/sid. |
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| 22:10.00 | tom_ | it would appear to me that is the case |
| 22:10.02 | tom_ | thank you |
| 22:10.08 | tom_ | sney, thanks for your help |
| 22:10.11 | sney | np |
| 22:10.23 | tom_ | someone may want to look at that issue in the future though |
| 22:10.24 | sney | I think mutante did most of it |
| 22:10.37 | tom_ | in case someone wants to use ipv4 gateway routers with debian interface |
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| 22:57.30 | graphicsv | I just compiled a new custom kernel and it's stuck on `Loading initial ramdisk`. I already both updated initramfs and also created new one. How can I fix it? It's 5.7.10 |
| 22:58.36 | sponix | graphicsv: did you follow along the Wiki to do the kernel the "Debian way" ? |
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| 23:01.07 | graphicsv | sponix: Hm. I guess I didn't use `fakeroot` or `make-kpkg`. I used `make deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-ryzen` instead |
| 23:01.25 | sney | !kernel handbook |
| 23:01.25 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 23:01.42 | sponix | sney: thanks |
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| 23:02.26 | sney | 'make deb-pkg' is still the recommended method last I checked, but 5.7 is bleeding-edge enough that there may be some other issues. you may want to ask in #debian-next on OFTC where people are more familiar with sid/bullseye. |
| 23:08.04 | graphicsv | Ot |
| 23:08.15 | graphicsv | sney: It's a pristine version. Maybe that's related? |
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| 23:09.26 | sney | IME make deb-pkg from vanilla upstream source builds a working kernel, but there may be caveats I'm not aware of. I would really go to the aforementioned channel for qualified answers. (you may have to be patient.) |
| 23:11.45 | Unit193 | Yeeeah, I'm lazy so when I do build a kernel it's using the makefile target. :3 |
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| 23:21.31 | maxrazer | Is it common for mouse sensitivity settings to not work? I'm using the Mouse and Touchpad config in xfce. |
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| 23:32.46 | prp-e | Hello guys. I'm looking for CLI live-installer. Is there any option? I used calamares for the graphical installer in most of my projects, but now I don't have a Xorg session or ability to run Qt. So, I'm looking for a CLI equivalent. |
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| 23:34.30 | quadrathoch2 | debian-installer over ssh? prp-e, only issue is you would need to activate it in the installer |
| 23:35.16 | prp-e | I just bootstrapped the base system on a directory and created a live disc of it. Does it work? |
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| 23:41.01 | graphicsv | prp-e: Isn't it the Arch Linux way? |
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| 23:42.52 | sney | does calamares do anything special based on the live environment? I thought it just runs an installer, in which case, the regular-ass d-i netinst is the best option for a "cli installer" |
| 23:43.02 | sney | !netinst |
| 23:43.02 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 23:43.43 | sney | see also <firmware image> if this is a laptop or otherwise needs binary firmware to support certain hardware. |
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| 23:56.18 | prp-e | pfff. My computer just crashed. |
| 23:56.28 | prp-e | I had a reboot now I'm fine. |
| 23:56.45 | dvs | !win prp-e |
| 23:56.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, prp-e! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:56.52 | dvs | eeeekk! |
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| 23:57.19 | annadane | a more tempting result by the way |
| 23:57.20 | annadane | day |
| 23:57.22 | annadane | *cough* |
| 23:57.26 | annadane | goes to -offtopic |
| 23:57.37 | prp-e | dvs, I don't think so. I'm a middle eastern muslim-born trans woman. I don't think Americans will accept a president like me :P |
| 23:57.50 | dvs | ha! |
| 23:58.09 | prp-e | prefers to keep looking for CLI installers |
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| 23:59.17 | sney | netinst! the debian netinst is the cli installer. it's probably the most popular debian installer, period. is there a reason that doesn't fit your use case? (or did your crash hide that bit of the scrollback) |
