| 00:00.22 | dvs | grumbles about the firmware iso |
| 00:00.51 | prp-e | sney, I didn't explain well. I bootstrapped a debian system, then I made squashfs out of it, then I put it into a live disc. Now, I just want it have a live installer, in No-X mode. I have made something before, but all old projects had a GUI such as GNOME or XFCE, I went with calamares. |
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| 00:01.40 | sney | ok, that's clearer. so you have a custom live environment that you want to be installable? |
| 00:02.06 | prp-e | Yes. |
| 00:02.16 | prp-e | And it has no X installed. |
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| 00:04.20 | sney | I suggest asking in #debian-live on OFTC or on their mailing list, unless calamares has a hidden option to use ncurses or terminfo |
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| 00:08.57 | prp-e | sney, does calamares have it?! Didn't know. |
| 00:09.14 | prp-e | BTW, I couldn't find nox or cli packages for calamares. |
| 00:09.29 | sney | I don't know either, I'm saying you should look |
| 00:09.52 | prp-e | aha. I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 00:09.52 | sney | terminfo and ncurses are common frameworks for console menus, so those should probably be your keywords |
| 00:10.25 | sney | (debconf uses terminfo so that's what you see in the regular debian-installer and also prompts during package upgrades) |
| 00:11.14 | prp-e | Thanks. |
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| 00:40.24 | graphicsv | I compiled 5.4 and got stuck at "loading initial ramdisk" - Not sure what I can do to fix this. |
| 00:45.01 | sney | how long were you stuck? also, did you disable quiet boot and were there any more enlightening error messages? |
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| 00:48.48 | graphicsv | sney: It simply stuck in blue GRUB screen forever. Completely locked. I can't even reboot the system. 4.19 stock kernel works just fine. Maybe missing firmwares? I'm not sure if firmware-amd-graphics files comes automatically with custom kernel? |
| 00:49.22 | graphicsv | sney: quiet is already removed but it doesn't even get out of GRUB screen. Simply stuck at the line "loading initial ramdisk" |
| 00:50.40 | sney | if firmware-amd-graphics was already installed on your system when the initrd was generated, it should have made it into the initrd just fine. |
| 00:51.44 | sney | were there any issues generating the initrd? did you see any messages about i/o errors or 'no space left on device', even if you seemed to have an initrd in place afterwards? |
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| 00:56.53 | graphicsv | sney: That's the weird part. There's no errors at all when I execute `update-initramfs -u` or `update-grub` |
| 00:57.39 | dvs | I thought you need the "-k all" option |
| 00:57.50 | dvs | I could be wrong |
| 00:58.30 | sney | I think all is the default |
| 00:59.33 | graphicsv | Maybe the problem is the name of the kernel version. I named it `5.7.10-ryzen` |
| 00:59.45 | sney | nah, custom version strings don't do anything |
| 01:00.02 | dvs | gasps ;-P |
| 01:00.12 | sney | you probably have a more fundamental config issue. did you start from the debian 5.7 kernel config before making your modifications? |
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| 01:01.01 | graphicsv | sney: Yes. I copied it from linux-source-5.7 |
| 01:01.22 | graphicsv | There was config and config.cloud. I copied config to .config |
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| 01:01.23 | dvs | graphicsv, not config-5.7.x ? |
| 01:04.35 | graphicsv | dvs: Hm. No. Maybe that's the issue? https://termbin.com/y087 |
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| 01:05.25 | sney | dvs: config-$ver would be from /boot, the config file in the linux-source deb should be identical |
| 01:05.37 | sney | (but maybe worth a shot?) |
| 01:05.40 | dvs | graphicsv, try a config file from /boot (/boot/config-5.6.x.y-amd64) |
| 01:05.51 | sney | graphicsv: did you 'make oldconfig' after copying the config file over? |
| 01:06.03 | dvs | sney, oh, I didn't know that. |
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| 01:09.25 | graphicsv | sney: I did `make olddefconfig` |
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| 01:10.03 | dvs | I thought it was oldconfig? |
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| 01:13.36 | sney | I also thought it was oldconfig. but I haven't built a kernel since some 4.x so I guess they might have changed it. is that what 'make help' says to do? |
| 01:14.08 | ZeroSploit | am i connected? |
| 01:14.25 | sney | ZeroSploit: nobody here but us chickens |
| 01:14.36 | ZeroSploit | sorry was test had a bit of trouble setting hexchat up im new |
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| 01:14.52 | sney | np, do you have a debian question |
| 01:14.55 | graphicsv | I just wish my Ryzen 5 3600x would work out-of-the-box on Linux =/ |
| 01:15.14 | ZeroSploit | not yet but i will i always do lol |
| 01:15.14 | graphicsv | Maybe I got the wrong config. Will get it from linux-config-5.6 |
| 01:15.20 | sney | graphicsv: the "fun" of new hardware. |
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| 01:16.04 | graphicsv | sney: Yes. I guess I will be trying things until the end of the year. If nothing fix the problem, I'll have to go back to Intel |
| 01:16.32 | graphicsv | I already lost at least 1 year with my Ryzen 7 1700 which had the same problem. |
| 01:17.32 | sney | I never buy anything newer than about ~9 months for this reason. |
| 01:17.40 | dvs | graphicsv, my Ryzen 7 3700X did |
| 01:17.52 | sney | there seem to be #amdgpu and #radeon channels on this network that may have something for you to try |
| 01:17.55 | graphicsv | dvs: Worked out-of-the-box with Debian? |
| 01:17.59 | dvs | yup |
| 01:18.20 | graphicsv | dvs: How long have you been using it? I had months without any issue with mine and then suddenly it was completely wasted |
| 01:18.49 | graphicsv | dvs: wasted = often lockups |
| 01:19.10 | dvs | graphicsv, I bought mine about a month ago. I guess the difference is that I didnt actually do an install: I copied the install from my previous machine. |
| 01:19.41 | graphicsv | dvs: You know what, I also did that and it worked perfectly until I reinstalled it. |
| 01:20.07 | graphicsv | dvs: It's so weird. I've created a bug on kernel and I'm updating with frequent log files >> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208615 |
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| 01:22.20 | sney | I wonder if there's something in the general-purpose initrd that the ryzen needs, that gets omitted on a system that tries to guess at a targeted initrd |
| 01:22.35 | dvs | graphicsv, Mine hasn't crashed yet. The only problem I have is that the USB-C port doesn't work. |
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| 01:23.45 | graphicsv | dvs: I hope it keeps working perfectly. If you can do something for me: Try a Debian 10 live DVD with Plasma and keep using it for some time and then tell me if you get a crash. I think that was when I got the first lockup |
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| 01:27.21 | dvs | graphicsv, I'm using it as a server so I don't really want to take it down. |
| 01:27.45 | graphicsv | dvs: Nevermind then. I thought it was a desktop. It works great on my side if I use it without X for some reason (not always, though) |
| 01:27.52 | graphicsv | dvs: Do you have a GPU? |
| 01:28.05 | dvs | no |
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| 01:29.11 | sney | hm, I have a celeron system like that. works forever headless (it's my media server, with an uptime of 13 days since the last reboot) but if I use it with Xorg it locks up within about 2 hours. I assumed it was a hardware bug, since it's a cheap box that was only ever shipped with windows |
| 01:29.17 | sney | I wonder if there's something deeper |
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| 02:07.45 | graphicsv | sney: Using config from linux-config-N fixed the boot problem. Thank YOU! |
| 02:08.03 | dvs | linux-config-N from where? |
| 02:08.16 | sney | glad I could help you figure it out |
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| 02:11.02 | graphicsv | dvs: It was linux-config-5.4. Copied /usr/src/linux-config-5.4/config.amd64_rt_amd64.xz to .config and set the option that I needed false. It's working just fine so far |
| 02:11.18 | graphicsv | dvs: I wonder if AMDGPU will be used from custom kernel or firmware-amd-graphics? |
| 02:11.45 | graphicsv | dvs: I guess firmware is not the same as kernel modules |
| 02:12.12 | graphicsv | https://termbin.com/357h |
| 02:12.13 | dvs | graphicsv, no it's not. |
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| 02:12.21 | sney | firmware is kernel module *components* which in some cases are optional |
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| 02:13.56 | sney | the firmware blobs from kernel.org are technically closed source, different distros have different approaches to this. but anyway the kernel loads the module and the module tries to load the firmware, if listed. (you can see them in the output of e.g. modinfo amdgpu) |
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| 05:09.44 | tmroland | im getting some package errors on a fresh debian install when trying to install wine |
| 05:10.04 | tmroland | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:10.05 | tmroland | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.07 | tmroland | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.22 | tmroland | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.46 | tmroland | u tried apt --fix-broken install and autoremove etc but nothing works |
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| 05:25.55 | mason | I did a debootstrap install, and I ran into a problem - in the debootstrap install, usrmerge seems not to be applied. /bin, /lib, etc are not symlinks into /usr. Is this normally just done by the installer, or is there a package that ensures that the links exist? |
| 05:26.57 | mason | It seems that on a standard install, these links exist without the benefit of the usrmerge package, and I'm curious as to what does it. |
| 05:28.53 | mason | (The specific issue I hit is that most things seem to install to /lib, and in a non-usrmerge set-up, systemd units installing into /usr/lib/systemd/system don't start automatically, even if enabled.) |
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| 05:30.16 | Unit193 | debootstrap has an option to enable or disable it, newer versions have it on by default. The package is one way to do it after the fact. |
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| 05:31.29 | mason | Unit193: Any thoughts as to why the split world doesn't work? For this package, if I simply moved the units to the /lib hierarchy, they started working on boot. They'd work with manual systemctl invocation while they still lived in /usr. |
| 05:31.51 | Unit193 | I avoid "merged" systems as it breaks stuff. |
| 05:33.18 | mason | Unit193: Interestingly, this appears to be the opposite, where unmerged broke. I don't like the idea of usrmerge generally, but I'm curious about this. My suspicion is that the package assumes other things are in /usr that aren't, but I'm early enough on that I'm still confused about the package working when invoked manually with systemctl, but not automatically. |
| 05:34.08 | mason | Unit193: Ah, and the debootstrap I used was new enough to know about Buster but not new enough to default to --merged-usr. |
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| 05:35.04 | mason | I want to track this down and point to a systemd bug, because that would be like scratching an itch. Thank you for the pointers! |
| 05:35.22 | Unit193 | Sorry I have no pointers to give. |
| 05:36.10 | mason | Unit193: Nah, the deboostrap flag for merged usr was it. I can track down *why* it broke on my own, but now I know why systems default to /lib being a symlink now. |
| 05:36.19 | mason | So, thank you. :) |
| 05:39.21 | mason | (I also hit a bug today where migrating a VM from an Ubuntu host to a Debian host saw it get a different "predictable" interface name. That's good fun too. I need to start defaulting to net.ifnames=0) |
| 05:40.03 | Unit193 | ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link perhaps? |
| 05:40.25 | mason | looking |
| 05:40.47 | Unit193 | That is, rather than a boot option it's a symlink to drop in place. |
| 05:43.27 | mason | Thank you again. Didn't know about that. |
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| 05:55.59 | ratrace | mason: debootstrap of what, buster? |
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| 05:59.42 | mason | ratrace: yes |
| 06:00.49 | ratrace | mason: from ubuntu? |
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| 06:01.04 | mason | Yes, deboostrap as packaged by Ubuntu 18.04. |
| 06:01.10 | mason | debootstrap* |
| 06:01.10 | ratrace | because I never had to add any flags to debootstrap buster, it's usrmerg'd |
| 06:01.19 | ratrace | but that's from another debian installation |
| 06:01.38 | ratrace | I do only debootstrap installations due to zfs and btrfs roots on looks |
| 06:01.43 | mason | ratrace: Yeah, the man page for this guy notes unmerged as the default. |
| 06:02.13 | ratrace | says here --merged-usr is default |
| 06:02.21 | ratrace | so ubuntu's isn't? |
| 06:02.33 | mason | Correct. At least the one shipped in 18.04. |
| 06:02.48 | ratrace | k, good to know if I ever have to deboostrap from 'buntus |
| 06:03.37 | mason | My main curiosity now is understanding why on an unmerged system, my unit files installed to /usr/lib/systemd/system didn't come up on boot. zfs-mount.service for instance - I could drive it via systemctl, but it didn't happen on its own. I was able to enable it. |
| 06:03.47 | ratrace | :s/on looks/on luks/ (lol) |
| 06:03.48 | mason | Yar, the option is there but not default. |
| 06:04.03 | mason | Ah, I was wondering. Yeah, still doing it on LUKS here too, as I don't like the ZFS native encryption. |
| 06:04.27 | mason | If nothing else, it presents a pain when you try to send stuff to another system that's not on native encryption. |
| 06:04.55 | mason | ...whereas LUKS is well-understood by everything and works nicely. |
| 06:05.08 | ratrace | I don't like it either because it doesn't encrypt everything. dataset names for example, which is a huge deal in my book |
| 06:05.22 | ratrace | LUKS ftw |
| 06:05.26 | mason | Yep. |
| 06:05.45 | mason | Plus, multiple keys. LUKS and GELI have them. ZOL native encryption doesn't. |
| 06:06.46 | ratrace | as for that zfs-mount thingy, of course you checked the journal? usually it's due to non-empty mountpoints, which in case of systemd happens if you have datasets on /var or /tmp ; zfs-mount is alien to linux native way of mounting, so systemd has no idea it's a mountpoint, prepopulates with files _before_ mount get the chance |
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| 06:07.19 | ratrace | ZFS is really a very alien filesystem on Linux. In many things, it's fighting with Linux |
| 06:07.38 | mason | ratrace: Yeah, that seemed not to matter. Clear mountpoints, wouldn't mount. 'systemctl restart zfs-mount' and they'd be mounted. |
| 06:08.05 | mason | So it's something about the unit file living in /usr/ and not /lib/ on an otherwise "merged" system that seems to matter. |
| 06:08.09 | ratrace | but then the reason for failure on boot should be in the journal |
| 06:08.50 | mason | I'll move 'em back to /usr and let it fail, and see. I didn't see anything notable in journalctl, but I'll look again. |
| 06:09.09 | mason | Note that it didn't fail on boot, it didn't *try* on boot. |
| 06:09.43 | ratrace | iirc it was always /usr/lib, even on strech (unmerged) |
| 06:10.25 | ratrace | systemd doesn't even look elsewhere: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html |
| 06:10.36 | mason | ratrace: So, the difference between "look, it all works" and "nothing happens" was whether the units lived in the /lib hierarchy or the /usr hierarchy. I'm betting on a systemd bug, but I'll have to track it down. |
| 06:10.54 | ratrace | elsewhere == locations like /lib and such, outside of the path search series it does |
| 06:11.03 | mason | Something cared. |
| 06:11.06 | ratrace | mason: but again, the journal will have the reason for failure |
| 06:11.19 | mason | This assumes something shows up there. |
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| 06:11.53 | ratrace | it should service failures are always logged. .... btw, you don't perchance have /usr as mountpoint? |
| 06:12.00 | ratrace | because that would 'splain things :) |
| 06:12.24 | ratrace | mason: and also assuming the service is _enabled_ to actually start on boot? |
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| 06:13.07 | mason | /usr is a dataset but it's canmount=off so that anything in /usr is in root, but anything in sub-datasets is properly in a sub-dataset |
| 06:13.34 | mason | Yes, enabled. Again, the difference between working and not is which hierarchy the unit lives in. |
| 06:13.35 | ratrace | mason: legacy mounted? |
| 06:13.56 | ratrace | so uh.... that's catch22? systemd needs /usr mounted to run units in it which ..... mount /usr ? :)) |
| 06:14.07 | mason | No, only /tmp and /var/log are legacy, as they get clobbered in initramfs otherwise |
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| 06:14.33 | mason | No, /usr is on / as far as /usr/lib is concerned. canmount=off |
| 06:14.54 | ratrace | so /usr/lib is NOT a mountpoint? it's part of the rootfs? |
| 06:15.44 | mason | Correct. |
| 06:17.11 | ratrace | mason: there's a package, usrmerge, that converts unmerged to merge'd system. for example when you upgrade from stretch, and I used it in such situation. check out it and see if it messes with systemd config or binary |
| 06:17.17 | mason | https://bpa.st/NSTQ |
| 06:17.51 | ratrace | this with -R /mnt ? |
| 06:18.08 | mason | ratrace: Yeah, I know about the package, and now I know why the links exist on various installs without it thanks to Unit193. The remaining bit is why where the units live matters. |
| 06:18.11 | mason | Yes. |
| 06:18.18 | ratrace | so /usr IS a mountpoint |
| 06:18.27 | mason | BRB, going to reboot with the units back in /usr and see if the journal has anything. |
| 06:18.30 | mason | No. |
| 06:18.31 | mason | sigh |
| 06:18.31 | ratrace | and /usr/lib is on that dataset, NOT on rootfs |
| 06:18.37 | mason | Both incorrect. |
| 06:18.45 | mason | brb anyway |
| 06:18.47 | ratrace | oh right you said, canmount=off |
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| 06:25.58 | mason | Dunno, now of course with the units moved back to /usr it's coming up. Maybe I'm just over-tired, or maybe I didn't have something enabled that I thought I had. |
| 06:26.44 | mason | Still, I've learned a bunch of interesting stuff, so it's not a loss. |
| 06:27.26 | ryouma | there is also weird stuff, like "# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-" which sets a varible whose identity is not obvious from the syntax |
| 06:27.31 | ryouma | name* |
| 06:27.44 | ryouma | mischan |
| 06:28.03 | mason | Good, I was trying to relate that. |
| 06:28.06 | mason | Failed. |
| 06:28.19 | ryouma | :) |
| 06:28.58 | ratrace | can't rmeember if that was python2 or vim :) |
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| 06:29.30 | ryouma | emacs |
| 06:29.33 | ryouma | (this is like the second mischan i have ever done in this channel. first time i was rudely told off for offtopicness even though it was obviously a mischan :/) |
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| 06:31.04 | ratrace | ryouma: python too, that's why I remember it (I wouldn't touch emacs with a 10 foot pole) https://docs.python.org/2.3/whatsnew/section-encodings.html |
| 06:31.20 | ryouma | huh |
| 06:31.30 | ratrace | pre-python3 stuffs. using non-ascii in source files required that comment |
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| 06:32.55 | Unit193 | mason: TBH, it's sort of sounding like you're in a state of half-merged... Either installing the merge package or trying to correct things with debsums seems perhaps the way to go? |
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| 06:35.32 | mason | Unit193: There are no symlinks in / and the interesting bit to me was that my ZFS packages were the only things installing units in /usr/lib/systemd/system. I'd have thought that would be the default location, given the move towards usrmerge. |
| 06:35.48 | ryouma | so the idea is that dist-upgrade does not merge /usr/bin with /bin by default but nwe installations do? |
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| 06:35.57 | mason | I mean, after the merge, everything's effectively in /usr/lib, but things all seem to install to /lib. |
| 06:36.25 | mason | ryouma: From the wiki usrmerge page, it's still something optional and in the future. |
| 06:36.59 | ryouma | oh, huh, so you're just trying stuff out? |
| 06:37.55 | mason | ryouma: Nah, I'm moving my workstation from Ubuntu to Debian while I've got a week of vacation to buffer me from needing it for real work, and I whapped into an oddity that I now suspect was my not enabling a unit, or a target rather. |
| 06:38.22 | Unit193 | mason: That's strange as /lib/systemd/system/ is so far the usual place! |
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| 06:39.03 | mason | Unit193: Yeah. I might redo the packages to default to that, as they feel forlorn and lone in there by themselves, even if they're working. |
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| 06:39.14 | mason | s/lone/a&/ |
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| 06:39.46 | ratrace | systemd by default expects /usr/lib/systemd/ |
| 06:40.25 | mason | ratrace: Debian's packaging must expand that a bit, at a guess. |
| 06:40.35 | ratrace | possible, I guess |
| 06:40.51 | mason | ratrace: Certainly everything in /lib/systemd/system is working out of the box, with no /lib -> /usr/lib |
| 06:41.03 | ratrace | oh, wait, it's in the manpage. /lib for "system units" and /usr/lib for "user units" |
| 06:41.22 | Unit193 | Dono't forget /etc/systemd/system |
| 06:41.23 | ratrace | so on usrmerg'd system, it's always /usr/lib/ , non non-merged it's /lib |
| 06:41.35 | mason | One /etc/systemd/system to rule them all. |
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| 06:41.38 | ratrace | Unit193: right right, I mean only for /lib and /usr/lib parts |
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| 06:44.12 | mason | Alright, this is good for tonight. Thank you all for the help and information. Useful, enjoyable. |
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| 06:44.34 | Unit193 | mason: Curious, did you package up zfs something or other yourself? |
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| 06:45.05 | mason | Unit193: I based it on the upstream "custom package" instructions, but I integrated some of the patches from the backports ZFS DKMS. |
| 06:45.35 | blodkorv2 | Are there a list of guides and tutorials about securing a debian webserver that is well known to be good and have correct information? |
| 06:45.40 | mason | ...and tossed in a metapackage to pull it all together, kind of like what Debian's team does with zfsutils-linux |
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| 06:48.27 | ratrace | blodkorv2: not a single document, no |
| 06:48.36 | ratrace | (that we know of) |
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| 06:48.40 | blodkorv2 | ok |
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| 07:31.52 | jmcnaught | blodkorv: there's this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/ |
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| 07:45.25 | blodkorv | jmcnaught ooh nice, thank you |
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| 07:55.40 | ratrace | that's NOT a "known to be good" and "correct information" guide |
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| 08:24.20 | hmht | I made a .deb with a Depends, but it turns out I also need to run update-alternatives for the dependency to get it to work. Can I declare this in my .deb? |
| 08:24.42 | lrvick | Hey all. I have been trying to use debian snapshots for deterministic builds, and for some reason over and over and over my install fails to install openjdk-11 from recent snapshots: E: Failed to fetch http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20200722T000000Z/pool/updates/main/o/openjdk-11/openjdk-11-jdk-headless_11.0.7+10-3~deb10u1_amd64.deb Undetermined Error [IP: 193.62.202.27 80] |
| 08:24.58 | sney | hmht: ask in #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 08:25.19 | Unit193 | Sounds like a personal package, though. |
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| 08:25.39 | hmht | yeah, it's just for my own machines |
| 08:25.49 | enoq | hi, what's the recommended way to set the timezone in a container |
| 08:25.58 | sney | ok, then #packaging on same |
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| 08:26.17 | hmht | alright thanks! |
| 08:26.22 | enoq | ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Vienna /etc/localtime ? |
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| 08:30.48 | f8e4 | sney ok ty |
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| 08:54.37 | ThoMe | hiho |
| 08:54.44 | ThoMe | LTS support for debian stretch |
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| 08:54.56 | ThoMe | is it only this line in my sources list deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 08:57.07 | sney | dpkg: stretch-lts |
| 08:57.07 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 9 "stretch" from the Debian Security Team ended July 6 2020. The <LTS> team will continue to provide limited security support for some architectures and a subset of packages until June 30 2022 (total 5 year life). See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
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| 10:04.19 | enoq | hi guys is /etc/timezone really used? |
| 10:04.33 | enoq | or is symlinking /etc/localtime enough to change the timezone |
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| 10:08.56 | dar8 | Hi, I know this may sound like a weird question (And perhaps not the right place to ask) but does anyone knowif there is a difference beetween the ejection of a device (USB, external Hard drive) beetween Debian (GNU/Linux) and Windows ? |
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| 10:11.45 | sney | dar8: not really, ejecting is mostly just syncing cached writes and unmounting. h |
| 10:12.02 | sney | sometimes windows doesn't complete the process though. they assume you'll be right back. |
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| 10:13.13 | ueb | Hi there |
| 10:13.21 | dar8 | Ok thanks. Weirdly i have three external drive My Passport that can be ejected on both OS, but only Debian will shut it down ... On Windows i have to remove the USB cable to make the drive stop ... |
| 10:13.28 | ueb | I'm trying to make a bi-directional SSH tunnel |
| 10:14.26 | ueb | but I get this on the remote reverse: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer |
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| 10:16.06 | ueb | root@locale:# ssh -R 33061:localhost:3306 remote.server.com |
| 10:16.57 | ueb | root@remote:# ssh -v -p 33061 localhost |
| 10:19.17 | ueb | here is the complete response https://pastebin.com/XZuCHR9Y |
| 10:20.42 | ueb | please any idea? |
| 10:21.57 | enoq | ok, apparently you need |
| 10:21.57 | enoq | ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Vienna /etc/localtime && dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata |
| 10:22.29 | enoq | ueb: use -vv |
| 10:23.06 | ueb | ssh -vv -p 33061 localhost ? |
| 10:23.11 | enoq | yes |
| 10:24.13 | ueb | here is https://pastebin.com/6QdGMWqs |
| 10:24.52 | enoq | you can't connect to the port |
| 10:25.17 | ueb | local server is behind a router |
| 10:25.44 | ueb | but throught that tunnel I supposed that it should work, in reverse.. |
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| 10:28.20 | ueb | enoq any idea? |
| 10:29.13 | sney | anything you're connecting to on localhost should work as long as the daemon in question is listening on localhost. regardless of any routers on the other end of the cable |
| 10:31.16 | ueb | sney ssh -R 33061:localhost:3306 remote.server.com , should link remote 33061 to local 3306, isn't it? |
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| 10:32.17 | ueb | and on remote server I try to reverse connect with: ssh -p 33061 localhost |
| 10:32.40 | sney | ssh: connect to host localhost port 33061: Connection refused |
| 10:33.14 | sney | I can't help you troubleshoot every part of this right now, but just take it piece by piece until it works, and keep reading the manual |
| 10:33.39 | ueb | sure, I'm trying |
| 10:34.18 | ueb | but it doesn't work |
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| 10:35.06 | sney | then look at the pieces you thought were obvious, or the ones you thought you could just make stuff up |
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| 10:35.34 | ueb | it's related to password? |
| 10:35.52 | sney | it's probably just related to tcp/ip. |
| 10:36.40 | ueb | on StackOverflow some people had the same problem |
| 10:37.14 | ueb | they figured out the solution to the ssh_exchange_id: Connection closed by remote host error. Execute both chmod 700 ~/.ssh and chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:37.47 | ueb | I tried but ~/.ssh/authorized_keys does not exist |
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| 10:39.21 | sney | don't chmod anything, just slow down and look at every error and look at the manual again. I promise it's there. |
| 10:41.32 | ueb | sney where should I look for errors? |
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| 10:42.21 | sney | same place enoq told you previously. now do it like us old people and figure it out like there's no irc to walk you through |
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| 10:46.08 | ueb | is it possible that it's related to auth ? |
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| 10:46.41 | ueb | debug1: Connection established. |
| 10:46.48 | ueb | debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 |
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| 10:48.19 | ueb | enoq here is what I get now after reboot https://pastebin.com/yHzqf6D1 |
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| 10:51.44 | enoq | ueb: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/151866 or firewall issues |
| 10:55.15 | pwnd_nsfw | Goooood morning everyone! I'm having issues with love2d/love. I have an rtx 2060, up to date buster, nvidia-driver installed. I receive: libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found, libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast. When I run love2d, with or without a file as argument, a window will pop up, but won't render anything inside of it. |
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| 10:55.50 | pwnd_nsfw | I've been up and down google, seeing that I should remove libgl.so.1 or so, but that's the only version of that I have of libgl.so, if I recall it's name correctly |
| 10:56.50 | pwnd_nsfw | The program completely hangs after that. I have to completely exit the console for the program to exit, I can't click the x, nor ctrl+c in console |
| 10:57.31 | pwnd_nsfw | I have love2d installed using snap, and I think I eventually ended up removing love that I believe is installed by default |
| 10:57.42 | ratrace | "libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast" sounds like it wants an opengl feature not available in the current version of opengl you have |
| 10:58.04 | pwnd_nsfw | That's what I guessed when google results had suggested deleting one file over the other |
| 10:58.05 | ratrace | 2060 is really fairly recent card, might need latest kernel, latest nvidia drivers, latest mesa and/or xorg |
| 10:58.32 | pwnd_nsfw | This install is probably not older than a month |
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| 10:58.57 | pwnd_nsfw | apt upgrade is satisfied as of current |
| 10:58.57 | apt | ...but upgrade is already something else... |
| 10:58.57 | ratrace | debian buster has been released last year and software in it is from months before that, so |
| 10:59.12 | pwnd_nsfw | So am I pretty much screwed over my gfx card choice? |
| 10:59.19 | pwnd_nsfw | for now*( |
| 10:59.36 | ueb | enoq OpenSSH_7.9p1 same version on both machines |
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| 10:59.47 | ratrace | pwnd_nsfw: not necessarily. you can install nvidia 440 from buster backports |
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| 11:00.15 | ueb | enoq however I noticed that "ssh -v localhost" does not work on remote server |
| 11:00.17 | ratrace | I'd start with that, maybe it solves the problem. The kernel is probably not the issue, but mesa or xorg might be |
| 11:00.29 | pwnd_nsfw | I'll get on it. Thank you |
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| 11:07.48 | pwnd_nsfw | Using linux is quite frustrating lol |
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| 11:08.27 | dvs | gives pwnd_nsfw a Blue Screen of Death |
| 11:08.29 | Haohmaru | but then, when you look at crapdows10.. x_x |
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| 11:09.19 | pwnd_nsfw | Haohmaru it's incredibly rare I ever got BSOD. |
| 11:09.31 | pwnd_nsfw | Even moreso now that I destroyed that partition, but |
| 11:09.48 | pwnd_nsfw | I could just put my 960 back in there |
| 11:10.13 | enoq | it depends, some programs give you good debug output |
| 11:10.14 | ratrace | pwnd_nsfw: did you try the backported driver first? |
| 11:10.20 | enoq | ssh isn't that good in that regard |
| 11:10.28 | pwnd_nsfw | ratrace I'm attempting to figure that out |
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| 11:10.52 | pwnd_nsfw | I have backports in my repo, I just don't know how to reference the driver lol |
| 11:11.00 | Haohmaru | for me it's like this: crapdows is only getting "worse" on many levels, there's no hope, so i'm "stuck" with linux.. luckily, debian is getting bett0r and bett0r |
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| 11:11.34 | pwnd_nsfw | Because you call it Crapdows makes me want to not read any further lol |
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| 11:11.48 | Haohmaru | and there's other kinds to choose from, but so far it seems debian is a good bet |
| 11:12.20 | Haohmaru | pwnd_nsfw you're trying to install sumfin from backports?> |
| 11:12.33 | ratrace | !tell pwnd_nsfw about buster-backports |
| 11:12.46 | enoq | arch is my goto for desktops, for servers I prefer centos or debian |
| 11:13.04 | ratrace | pwnd_nsfw: oh if you have the repo, and did `apt update` then all you need is apt install -t buster-backports nvidia-driver |
| 11:13.10 | Haohmaru | this arch thing has gud wiki/documentationz |
| 11:13.13 | ueb | how could I check if the local port is open from the remote server? |
| 11:13.15 | Haohmaru | but i'm staying with debian |
| 11:13.30 | ueb | it should tell me if the problem is related to ports or to auth |
| 11:13.50 | pwnd_nsfw | ah there we go |
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| 11:14.39 | pwnd_nsfw | I didn't know how to reference the package |
| 11:14.55 | Haohmaru | ratrace if the package has "surrounding" packages that also get installed, when you add -t - would apt also install those surrounding packages from backports? |
| 11:15.01 | Haohmaru | or from stable |
| 11:15.36 | ratrace | with -t you enable the repo for that transaction, so it'll pull in deps from there too |
| 11:15.44 | Haohmaru | hm |
| 11:15.52 | ratrace | which means..... DON'T apt upgrade -t unless you mean it |
| 11:15.59 | pwnd_nsfw | lol |
| 11:16.10 | Haohmaru | in synaptic you gotta click each of them and Force Version |
| 11:16.12 | Haohmaru | >:/ |
| 11:16.13 | pwnd_nsfw | will it ignore upgrading this action? |
| 11:16.19 | Enissay | I want to extract some info from the output of a given command using regex. Input has multiple lines and I want to extract different parts from different lines and print them in a formatted one liner. What would you advise to use for the extraction (with perl regex support) ? |
| 11:16.29 | Haohmaru | ratrace nah, i use synaptic |
| 11:16.34 | pwnd_nsfw | braces for impact |
| 11:16.35 | pwnd_nsfw | It's installed |
| 11:16.54 | ratrace | pwnd_nsfw: you don't need -t for upgrade unless you want to bump all packages to their upgrades from backports |
| 11:17.09 | ueb | lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN |
| 11:17.11 | ratrace | once you install the driver, it'll be tracked for upgrades from that repo with regular apt upgrade |
| 11:17.17 | enoq | debian on the desktop is probably a good idea once flatpak gains more traction |
| 11:17.18 | pwnd_nsfw | If I don't put -t, it'll ignore this is what I was asking |
| 11:17.27 | ueb | this should tell me listining ports |
| 11:17.32 | pwnd_nsfw | understood |
| 11:17.38 | ratrace | enoq: debian is just fine for desktop. not all of us want !sns |
| 11:17.42 | pwnd_nsfw | brb |
| 11:18.04 | enoq | ratrace: yeah, there are some pieces of software though that sometimes cause you trouble |
| 11:18.17 | Haohmaru | yeah, it's fine for firefoxing, CAD'ing, coding, etc.. |
| 11:18.23 | enoq | depends on what you run though |
| 11:18.40 | ratrace | sns is often available through backports, and there's !ssb if it isn't |
| 11:18.48 | enoq | everything related to chromium for instance but I don't know how debian handles that |
| 11:19.07 | ueb | I see that 3306 is not listening, but it should listen after "ssh -N -R 33061:localhost:3306 remote-host", isn't it? |
| 11:19.09 | ratrace | snapd is also available for those very rare cases when upstream doesn't package its software properly, so snap is the only way |
| 11:19.17 | ratrace | dunno how good flatpak is on debian, haven't tried it yet |
| 11:19.35 | enoq | does debian package chromium or is it a separate repo? |
| 11:19.42 | ratrace | enoq: debian tracks latest chromium with a small delay due to testing |
| 11:19.54 | enoq | I see, so electron should be fine as well I guess |
| 11:19.59 | ratrace | !info chromium |
| 11:20.04 | dpkg | chromium: (web browser), section web, is optional. Version: 83.0.4103.116-3+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 50492 kB, Installed size: 168834 kB |
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| 11:20.22 | Uncle_Cid | Pretty happy that my monitor setup decides to change literally everytime I reboot |
| 11:20.34 | Uncle_Cid | multiple monitors on linux is fun too! |
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| 11:21.12 | ratrace | desktop linux suxx in general. "crapdows" is way better there, occasional ragefit notwithstanding |
| 11:21.24 | Uncle_Cid | :p |
| 11:21.37 | Uncle_Cid | I do enjoy what I can do, but the fact that I have to reset everything on reboot is pretty ass |
| 11:21.41 | ratrace | I stopped recommending linux for desktop to people who don't know what linux is. Windows works for them just fine. |
| 11:21.50 | Uncle_Cid | For sure |
| 11:22.18 | ratrace | and personally I run only linux, everywhere, and i3-wm on desktop because I can't stand the bloated behemoth restaurant-sink of gnome and other big DEs |
| 11:24.38 | Uncle_Cid | same issue, but I want to double check to make sure the driver is being recognized |
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| 11:36.03 | genr8_ | !sns |
| 11:36.03 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 11:36.42 | genr8_ | !ssb |
| 11:36.42 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:36.56 | genr8_ | shinyshitbackports ? |
| 11:37.30 | ratrace | genr8_: Simple Sid Backport, but eh.... close enough :) |
| 11:38.21 | genr8_ | i prefer SuperStableBuster |
| 11:39.26 | genr8_ | i just had 47 days uptime with 0 problems, lost power due to a power company outage, came back up, and 6 hours later i hard locked, everything except for mouse cursor. |
| 11:39.49 | genr8_ | now im questioning what the frick that was from |
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| 11:43.00 | genr8_ | 06:59:10 HELLOGOODBYE systemd-logind[924]: Power key pressed <-- it detected that much. I pressed it a few times to see if the logs would show it, and it did. |
| 11:44.13 | ratrace | it's unlikely it logged that and didn't log whatever caused the lockup. lockups without logs are indicative of hardware issues and system going belly up at the kernel level, not allowing userland to commit logs |
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| 11:45.15 | genr8_ | yes you're right. i see now in syslog: Jul 23 06:34:48 HELLOGOODBYE kernel: [22309.147868] NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:0a:00): 79, GPU has fallen off the bus. |
| 11:45.42 | ratrace | oh the GPU picked up drinking again? :) figures. |
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| 11:47.20 | genr8_ | it did seem like the GPU crashed. but the mouse was working... nothing else was though. I wonder if it was recoverable. I forgot to push SysRQ or whatever the key to do weird stuff is |
| 11:47.34 | genr8_ | what would you have done ? |
| 11:48.00 | genr8_ | changing TTYs did not work |
| 11:49.30 | ratrace | I'd hit sysrq |
| 11:50.57 | genr8_ | bah i forgot :( |
| 11:51.48 | Uncle_Cid | Alright, frustration reduced, try again |
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| 11:52.06 | ratrace | genr8_: it's disabled by default btw, do you have it enabled? |
| 11:52.24 | genr8_ | i think i turned it on yea, is it in sysctl.conf ? |
| 11:52.28 | ratrace | yea |
| 11:52.35 | genr8_ | then yea |
| 11:53.19 | Uncle_Cid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Aug 10 2018 /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.7.0 |
| 11:53.22 | Uncle_Cid | This is a symlink? |
| 11:54.00 | ratrace | yes |
| 11:55.12 | Uncle_Cid | https://gist.github.com/SirUncleCid/cd4e9593bb833d5e1542636c03f1ee8f I have a feeling I don't require all of these |
| 11:55.20 | Uncle_Cid | But the feeling is ill-informed |
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| 11:57.27 | genr8_ | thats how it is. |
| 11:57.36 | genr8_ | dont mess with that |
| 11:57.58 | Uncle_Cid | heard |
| 11:58.33 | genr8_ | the diverted ones are not even active, and the right .so's are mapped from the debian packages with the "alternatives" symlinks |
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| 12:01.29 | Uncle_Cid | God I hate linux lol |
| 12:01.34 | Uncle_Cid | It works now |
| 12:01.53 | Uncle_Cid | Basically just reinstalled love, I'm not sure if anything else I did had any effect |
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| 12:02.52 | Uncle_Cid | Thanks for your help guys |
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| 12:02.54 | Uncle_Cid | gals |
| 12:03.07 | ratrace | d^.^b |
| 12:03.19 | Uncle_Cid | See, now it's like I just finished a crappy movie |
| 12:03.27 | Uncle_Cid | and I don't know what to think about anything |
| 12:03.36 | shtrb | What is /tmp/data owned by apt user ? (ls -la /tmp |
| 12:03.37 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.41 | Uncle_Cid | Do I just accept that I wasted money on a ticket/minutes of my life? |
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| 12:03.53 | Uncle_Cid | It's not a waste, there's hard work to be done now. |
| 12:04.24 | Uncle_Cid | Do a lot of people come here to have existential issues too? |
| 12:06.05 | shtrb | no |
| 12:06.06 | ratrace | some do |
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| 12:09.11 | ratrace | Uncle_Cid: so wait, nvidia upgrade fixed your issue? I just realized you're pwnd_nsfw |
| 12:09.30 | Uncle_Cid | I don't particularly know... |
| 12:09.39 | Uncle_Cid | Becaujse I wasn't able to validate the change in driver, however I'm sure it did |
| 12:09.53 | Uncle_Cid | But then randomly though to reinstall love |
| 12:10.01 | Uncle_Cid | and worked instantly after that |
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| 12:10.14 | ratrace | does that love thi.... ok, so it works and doesn't complain about swrast? |
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| 12:10.36 | Uncle_Cid | Not any longer, no |
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| 12:10.49 | ratrace | !next |
| 12:10.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:10.59 | Uncle_Cid | I'm a confused customer |
| 12:11.03 | Uncle_Cid | I'm happy, but confused |
| 12:11.06 | ratrace | we all are. |
| 12:11.10 | Uncle_Cid | :) |
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| 12:11.26 | Uncle_Cid | No one will know why "just restart it" works pretty well too |
| 12:11.36 | Uncle_Cid | that's a lie, but it fits our story now |
| 12:12.23 | ratrace | especially Debian users are very confused. Debian wants often contradicting things, and then we all suffer, instead of a (vocal) minority suffering and crying themselves into devuan beds. |
| 12:12.27 | Uncle_Cid | I've realized I'm always in here with an nvidia related issue |
| 12:12.37 | Uncle_Cid | rofl |
| 12:13.18 | Uncle_Cid | Welp, with suffering comes growth and wisdom I suppose |
| 12:13.35 | ratrace | at the price of how many tables flipped |
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| 12:13.49 | genr8_ | nvidia chan is next to useless. all idlers |
| 12:14.15 | ratrace | IdleRPG players |
| 12:14.24 | Uncle_Cid | funny, it's a text based game |
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| 12:18.16 | ratrace | it's a no-text based game. you speak, you lose. |
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| 12:26.42 | sdisavona | I want a minimal system where I've core software (like browsers/email clients/etc) I keep updated, while I don't really follow all the tens of packages I install and just use rarely. |
| 12:26.48 | sdisavona | I'd also like having the stability of debian stable with the bleeding edge from sid. |
| 12:28.34 | ratrace | how does that work. |
| 12:28.36 | sdisavona | To achieve this I thought about installing stable with the bare minimum I need all the time/everyday. Everything else would be installed/obtained as flatpak/appimage + GUIX/Nix. |
| 12:29.45 | sdisavona | So basically I'd just use either GUIX or Nix to install everything else, which may be more up to date than the stable equivalent. |
| 12:30.04 | ratrace | !frankendebian |
| 12:30.05 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 12:30.19 | sdisavona | I couldn't find a lot of experience and reports about this. Any thoughts? |
| 12:30.28 | ratrace | just gave you one :) |
| 12:31.20 | sdisavona | @ratrace I agree with the frankendebian thing, but I also think it's slightly different from what I'm thinking about. |
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| 12:32.24 | sdisavona | debian stable itself would be unscathed, everything else would be under /nix or /gnu/store, so there's no "pollution". |
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| 12:35.12 | ratrace | maybe, but you'll still be facing problems, just with a different subset of software |
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| 12:35.50 | ratrace | I mean, if that works for you, go ahead of course. having some part of the system "stable" and another "unstable" is better than having it all "unstable". |
| 12:36.36 | ratrace | but nix is kinda contradicting that "I don't really follow all the tens of packages", you're very much your own system integrator with that. |
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| 12:39.36 | sdisavona | @ratrace what are your thoughts about GUIX? |
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| 12:40.06 | ratrace | sdisavona: I don't have any really |
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| 12:54.59 | genr8_ | what are your thoughts on this? https://bedrocklinux.org/ |
| 12:55.56 | nkuttler | genr8_: frankenstein |
| 12:56.18 | genr8_ | i like the idea of it more than it |
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| 12:58.52 | nift4 | Hi :D |
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| 12:59.25 | nift4 | Just installed Debian Testing - works great |
| 12:59.45 | nift4 | Thanks everyone who worked on Debian - It's just great |
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| 13:01.39 | nift4 | Hm. I can't get into #debian-next as reffered by the topic. |
| 13:01.53 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 13:01.59 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 13:01.59 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 13:02.08 | nift4 | Ahh. |
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| 13:02.30 | nift4 | That's too easy to overread ^^ |
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| 13:08.55 | genr8_ | !greycat |
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| 13:09.35 | ratrace | !greycatsnack |
| 13:09.35 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
| 13:09.41 | genr8_ | you should have one for yourself |
| 13:09.44 | genr8_ | ah |
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| 13:17.10 | paradigm | genr8_: can you elaborate on "i like the idea of it more than it"? |
| 13:17.49 | Haohmaru | he likes the idea, not the implementation? |
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| 13:20.13 | paradigm | Right, I'm curious where specifically the implementation falls through. |
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| 13:25.26 | ratrace | personally I don't see the point of it |
| 13:25.41 | ratrace | but uh, OT :) |
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| 13:33.38 | genr8_ | i cant, cause its confusing and I dont get what went on. i barely know how 1 distro works, let alone 10 |
| 13:34.42 | Haohmaru | genr8_ well, when h4x0rz are bored, they do crazy sh*t like this |
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| 13:41.48 | paradigm | genr8_: gotcha, thanks for explaining :) |
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| 14:02.56 | hiya | I am running Debian 10 stable, suddenly without me doing anything special my laptop's speaker is giving me hissing noises as of it is broke |
| 14:03.06 | hiya | Is there something I can do to test things |
| 14:03.22 | hiya | It happened immediately after I was trying noVNC software in Firefox |
| 14:04.25 | shtrb | See if you raise or lower the volume if that solve the issue (had that with flatpak ) |
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| 14:07.13 | hiya | shtrb: If I do volume up / down it notification sound goes well for 2-4 times and then it sounds like speaker is broke |
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| 14:07.55 | shtrb | ok , so it's not the same issue with flatpak |
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| 14:10.59 | hiya | shtrb: earphones is just fine |
| 14:11.05 | hiya | I think it will fix itself |
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| 14:30.52 | reintegrated | I love Debian 10. |
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| 14:40.21 | hiya | reintegrated: me too |
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| 14:51.47 | jhutchins | ,v nagios |
| 14:51.49 | judd | No package named 'nagios' was found in amd64. |
| 14:55.37 | jhutchins | !nagios |
| 14:55.37 | dpkg | Nagios (formerly NetSaint) is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. Packaged for Debian as nagios3. http://wiki.debian.org/PkgNagios http://www.nagios.org/faqs/ #nagios on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:55.58 | jhutchins | ,v nagios3 |
| 14:55.59 | judd | Package: nagios3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1; jessie-security: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+deb8u1 |
| 14:56.10 | jhutchins | ,v nagios4 |
| 14:56.11 | judd | Package: nagios4 on amd64 -- buster: 4.3.4-3; bullseye: 4.3.4-5; sid: 4.3.4-5 |
| 14:56.55 | greycat | dpkg, nagios =~ s/nagios3/nagios4 or nagios3/ |
| 14:56.56 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:57.27 | jhutchins | !nagios |
| 14:57.27 | dpkg | Nagios (formerly NetSaint) is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. Packaged for Debian as nagios4 or nagios3. http://wiki.debian.org/PkgNagios http://www.nagios.org/faqs/ #nagios on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:57.47 | annadane | well, if you're still on jessie then we can't help you |
| 14:57.51 | annadane | might as well just say nagios4 |
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| 15:22.28 | fuxxy | I want to install a single package (and it's deps, if needed) from the 'nextstable' branch, but keep the rest of the system in the 'stable' branch. Is what I'm attempting to accomplish a 'backport'? Just curious what keywords to google. |
| 15:22.54 | greycat | !buster-backports |
| 15:22.54 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 15:23.45 | greycat | You cannot use compiled programs from future releases on your stable release. That way lies disaster if you try. Backports are recompiled to work on the stable release. |
| 15:24.57 | fuxxy | ahh, I see now. Backport is the term I'm attempting. Thanks |
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| 15:26.42 | fuxxy | so packages.debian.org lists the package version I want in the 'bullseye (testing) branch. Is there a way to verify it exists in the 'buster-backports' repo before I add the repo to sources.list? |
| 15:26.58 | greycat | What is the NAME of the package? |
| 15:27.31 | fuxxy | deluged 2.0.3-2 |
| 15:27.36 | greycat | ,v deluged |
| 15:27.37 | judd | Package: deluged on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.10-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.3.10-3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.3.13+git20161130.48cedf63-3; buster: 1.3.15-2; bullseye: 2.0.3-2; sid: 2.0.3-2 |
| 15:27.40 | fuxxy | sorry, didnt think it was necessary |
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| 15:27.47 | greycat | It hasn't been backported. Judd would have said if that were the case. |
| 15:27.51 | greycat | ,checkbackport deluged |
| 15:27.53 | judd | Backporting package deluged in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 15:28.02 | greycat | Judd believes that you can build your own backport of it, easily. |
| 15:28.05 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 15:28.05 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:28.36 | fuxxy | sweet. |
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| 16:03.25 | vincent- | Hello. Just a simple question. Other package managers like "yum" or "dnf" are able to install package providing a file. For instance, you can do this: "dnf install /usr/bin/python3.7" and it will install the python3.7 package. Is "apt" able to do the same? |
| 16:03.40 | greycat | yes |
| 16:03.54 | greycat | only you don't give a pathname. you give a package name. |
| 16:04.11 | vincent- | greycat, that's the point, I want to give the path :-) |
| 16:04.14 | greycat | (reads the question again) I suspect you are looking for the apt-file package. |
| 16:04.24 | greycat | ,info apt-file |
| 16:04.27 | judd | Package apt-file (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: search for files within Debian packages (command-line interface). Version: 3.2.2; Size: 37.6k; Installed: 90k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/apt-file |
| 16:04.59 | vincent- | That's for searching. I don't mean that. I mean, you do "apt install /usr/bin/whatever", and it will install the package which provides that file. |
| 16:05.47 | towo` | open a whishlist bug on apt, provide your code for apt as patch |
| 16:06.19 | EdePopede | vincent-: find out which package provides the file you want and install it then |
| 16:06.26 | greycat | how the flip do you know a full freaking pathname but not a PACKAGE name |
| 16:07.00 | greycat | "is it /usr/sbin/foo? no, is it /usr/bin/foo? no, is it /bin/foo?" |
| 16:07.43 | vincent- | So, the real use case is not that simple. I have an Ansible configuration which is installing whichever package provides the "/usr/bin/unbuffer" tool. It works for "dnf" but not for "apt". |
| 16:07.47 | EdePopede | soon there will only /usr/bin/foo be left |
| 16:08.00 | petn-randall | vincent-: The problem with that approach is that in Debian at least several packages could provide /usr/bin/foo, so it's not quite as simple as you might think it is. |
| 16:08.42 | vincent- | petn-randall, I see. Well, that's good to know. |
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| 16:20.03 | ComputerTech | hmm |
| 16:20.14 | ComputerTech | whats the equivalne of curl ifconfig.io for debian? |
| 16:20.20 | ComputerTech | thats the command for ubuntu |
| 16:20.22 | ComputerTech | whats debians version? |
| 16:20.52 | petn-randall | ComputerTech: What does it do in Ubuntu? "curl" exists in Debian. |
| 16:21.21 | ComputerTech | it returns the ipv6 address of that server |
| 16:21.35 | ComputerTech | i basically need to find the ipv6 address of my vps |
| 16:21.36 | petn-randall | Do you mean the command "curl ifconfig.io"? Debian's version is "curl ifconfig.io". |
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| 16:22.01 | ComputerTech | -bash: curl: command not found |
| 16:22.02 | ComputerTech | says that |
| 16:22.27 | Dagger | ...just run `ifconfig` (or `ip addr show`) |
| 16:22.27 | petn-randall | ComputerTech: Have you tried installing curl? |
| 16:22.47 | petn-randall | ComputerTech: What Dagger says, unless you have NAT between your VPS and the internet. |
| 16:23.20 | ComputerTech | um ip addr show |
| 16:23.21 | ComputerTech | showed a lot |
| 16:23.30 | ComputerTech | may i pastebin? |
| 16:23.43 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 16:23.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:23.46 | greycat | !install |
| 16:23.46 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/buster/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 16:23.55 | greycat | Bah, not the one I wanted. |
| 16:24.20 | greycat | There's one somewhere that says something like, "Not everything is installed. If you lack a command, just install it." |
| 16:24.31 | ComputerTech | yeah just askking if it's ok to pastebin |
| 16:24.32 | ComputerTech | :) |
| 16:24.40 | ComputerTech | greatgatsby, i might not be root :) |
| 16:24.41 | ComputerTech | https://dpaste.com/9J93RSXS5 |
| 16:24.50 | greycat | Just install curl, then run your curl comand. Or use some other alternative to curl, like lynx or wget. |
| 16:24.58 | ComputerTech | thats the output of ip addr show |
| 16:24.58 | ComputerTech | do i have ipv6? |
| 16:25.09 | greycat | If you're not root, then how the hell do you think you're going to make use of an IPv6 address? |
| 16:25.28 | ComputerTech | irc network |
| 16:25.42 | Dagger | you do. line 17 |
| 16:25.52 | annadane | !installit |
| 16:25.52 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 16:25.52 | petn-randall | ComputerTech: 2605:e000:100b:8036:a1f:71ff:fe03:d33d seems to be your adress. The other starting with fe80:: are link-local addresses that are not unique on the internet. |
| 16:26.04 | ComputerTech | ok thank you petn-randall :) |
| 16:26.06 | ComputerTech | appreciate it |
| 16:26.11 | Dagger | ...Linux allows regular users to open sockets too, y'know |
| 16:26.50 | ComputerTech | have a good day petn-randall :) |
| 16:26.55 | petn-randall | ComputerTech: You too! |
| 16:27.03 | ComputerTech | :) |
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| 16:54.27 | somiaj | What are some useful ways to install/connect to vm's using libvirt (kvm-qemu) on a headless (well at least xorgless) server? Here I'm wondering about the standard vnc/spice connection to do the install? |
| 16:55.19 | somiaj | Or would it be better to create a base image (say minimial buster install + sshd) and just copy that into place, configure it with virsh, and connect to it with some key pair? |
| 16:56.04 | somiaj | I know vnc can be done remotely, but with virsh how hard is this to setup? I have personally just use virt-manager up to this point (and done a little bit with virsh, but always had xorg so I could use virt-viewer) |
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| 17:04.54 | petn-randall | somiaj: The problem with pre-installed images is that things like SSH host keys then don't change. And probably other details that could be harmful if shared between VMs. |
| 17:05.32 | petn-randall | I used virt-clone and virt-sysprep in the past, although I'm considering bootstrapping images cleanly when I revamp my setup in the future. |
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| 17:12.10 | somiaj | petn-randall: thanks, I'll take a look at those. |
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| 17:13.37 | petn-randall | somiaj: So virt-clone just makes a copy of the VM, and virt-sysprep mounts the image, and wipes things like log files and SSH host keys from the image so they get recreated on boot. |
| 17:14.16 | somiaj | cool, reading up on that now. Can you virt-clone to different size image files? |
| 17:14.33 | somiaj | just thinking it might be easier to only install a min system once and just use that as a base if possible |
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| 17:15.58 | somiaj | how about backing up vms, do you back up full vms or just the data in them? |
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| 17:20.38 | somiaj | and while I'm asking questions, share files between server and host, virsh have tools for that, or should nfs or somethign simlar be setup? |
| 17:20.45 | somiaj | arg guest and host |
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| 17:22.53 | petn-randall | somiaj: If you use .qcow2 images those are quite compact. You can also run some command to compact them even more (don't remember which, one of the virt-* commands). |
| 17:23.31 | annadane | moo |
| 17:23.32 | petn-randall | somiaj: At work I back up full VMs daily, but for my private stuff I only back up the data, as I can recreate and configure the VMs easily with my ansible playbooks. |
| 17:23.53 | somiaj | thanks again |
| 17:26.17 | petn-randall | somiaj: Really depends on how much back space you have, and how much data you're willing to loose if things break down, and how long you're willing to need to restore that data. |
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| 17:37.55 | petn-randall | backup space even |
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| 17:38.14 | tesstet | is it safe to install and use two desktop environment or do they go in conflict? |
| 17:38.46 | petn-randall | tesstet: It's safe to install several, you can then pick one in your login manager. |
| 17:39.37 | tesstet | do i need a special configuration to have more than one installed or can i just install the relative packages? |
| 17:40.04 | greycat | just install them both |
| 17:40.13 | petn-randall | tesstet: It should work out of the box if you install several. |
| 17:40.16 | annadane | you'll know if there's problems if it threatens to remove packages or it tells you there are dependency conflicts |
| 17:40.19 | annadane | otherwise it's fine |
| 17:40.23 | tesstet | ok i have another question |
| 17:40.34 | petn-randall | That might only happen on testing/sid, though. |
| 17:40.43 | annadane | though honestly, most people should stick to one (not for any technical reason but i think people shouldn't be so fidgety) |
| 17:40.44 | petn-randall | At least I'm not aware of such issues on stable. |
| 17:41.40 | tesstet | i'm using kde plasma right now but my system keep freeze sometimes, i'm pretty sure it's related to my gpu but i don't know what is actually causing the crashes |
| 17:41.52 | tesstet | annadane why people should stick to one? |
| 17:41.53 | annadane | do you have an nvidia card? |
| 17:42.20 | tesstet | yet and i'm using nouveau drivers |
| 17:42.33 | annadane | try installing the proprietary driver, i had crashes with nouveau + plasma before |
| 17:42.42 | annadane | nouveau is crippled because they get no support from nvidia |
| 17:42.51 | tesstet | i see but i'm not willing to install these ahaha |
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| 17:43.03 | tesstet | that's why i was asking if i can install multiple de :) |
| 17:43.13 | annadane | re: desktops, use what you want, i just think most people will be happy enough sticking to one and customizing it |
| 17:43.36 | tesstet | annadane did you do some research on these crashes? do you know what may be causing these? |
| 17:43.45 | annadane | only what i mentioned |
| 17:43.59 | annadane | i'm not sure why plasma does that specifically |
| 17:44.03 | tesstet | ok |
| 17:44.08 | tesstet | can i ask you what are you using as de? |
| 17:44.12 | annadane | there have been workarounds proposed, but i forget what they are |
| 17:44.12 | annadane | xfce |
| 17:44.36 | petn-randall | tesstet: You might want to try a newer kernel from backports if this is a relatively new GPU. Most more subtle bugs get fixed in newer kernels. |
| 17:44.50 | petn-randall | For new hardware, that is. |
| 17:45.05 | tesstet | na it's very old gpu |
| 17:45.25 | tesstet | but works fine with no external firmware installed |
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| 17:52.26 | petn-randall | You might need the firmware to get it to work properly. You're probably using old, buggy, burned-in firmware anyway. |
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| 18:34.18 | genr8_ | tesstet, run 'sudo tasksel' to install additional DE's from a dropdown menu, (like when you chose your original one in the installer) |
| 18:34.52 | genr8_ | or just figure out the right package name from here https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment and install it |
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| 18:37.13 | genr8_ | you choose which one to run from the LightDM menu when you log into X |
| 18:40.02 | tesstet | nice thanks |
| 18:40.40 | nlpqda | Anyone has an idea how to install debian armhf on raspberry pi? directly imaging the iso file to sdcard is neither bootable nor tells which dirve to be used as target. I tried to boot my rpi3 from usb but it didn't work |
| 18:41.56 | sney | there's some info here https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi |
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| 18:53.24 | rander2 | hello |
| 18:53.42 | rander2 | how install rt2800 driver in deb 10 ? |
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| 18:55.08 | nkuttler | rander2: dpkg -S rt2800 ? looks like it's part of the kernel. missing firmware? |
| 18:55.52 | sney | !ralink firmware |
| 18:55.52 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rt61pci>, <rt73usb>, <rt2860sta>, <rt2870sta>, <rt2800pci> and <rt2800usb> drivers. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-ralink package to provide. |
| 18:55.54 | rander2 | nkuttler, lot of stuff , but it's not present in lsmod |
| 18:56.18 | nkuttler | rander2: lsmod shows loaded modules |
| 18:59.26 | rander2 | all right now , apt install firmware-ralink |
| 19:00.22 | petn-randall | rander2: It's considered impolite to ask the same question in several channels at the same time. |
| 19:00.35 | rander2 | ok |
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| 19:01.18 | petn-randall | rander2: No worries, just a heads-up. For the future, it's ok to ask in one channel, and if you haven't gotten a response in 1-2 hours, ask in the other. |
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| 19:01.38 | m0rd3cai | Hey is anyone having trouble updating rkhunter? I keep getting fails and a 503 response from sourceforge per rkhunter log. |
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| 19:35.10 | AndyAndyBoBandy | I'm finding that installing and other operations done with 'apt -yqq ...' are noisy and include progress bars. Am I misusing the quiet flag? |
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| 19:46.32 | KOLANICH | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966147 |
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| 19:46.56 | aiRness | Hello, is the gcc-9/libgcc-9-dev still have unmet dependecies on sid ? Any ETA on this ? It's been almost ~2 months |
| 19:47.05 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 19:47.05 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 19:47.59 | aiRness | thanks, if anyone has any info is much appreciated though |
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| 19:49.06 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gcc-9 |
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| 19:56.29 | KOLANICH | Hi everyone. Any advice on how to get my patches merged or at least reviewed? |
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| 19:57.42 | greycat | You generally start by not putting phrases like "Debhelper is a piece of shit" in your bug report. |
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| 20:03.55 | n_1-c_k | apt has got in a mess here, could someone repeat about what information helps diagnose? apt policy or something? |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | !bat |
| 20:04.27 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 20:05.42 | n_1-c_k | thanks greycat... |
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| 20:11.22 | nlpqda | thanks sney but that has nothing to do with my question. |
| 20:11.51 | nlpqda | has anyone installed or know how to go about installing debian (not raspbian) on raspberry pi? |
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| 20:17.01 | KOLANICH | greycat: we all know it is. Also I have deeply dived into dpkg ... it also deserves such a name (I have tried to add exposing the names of the packages triggering the triggers, had to modify half of debhelper in order to implement it (basically replaced passing pkginfo * with {pkginfo *, pkginfo*}), and still haven't solved the issue (it turned out it requires more deeper modifications to do it), also I have fixed 2 memory leaks and 1 UB in it, aâ |
| 20:17.02 | KOLANICH | â¦nd fixing yet another 1 memory leak will require redesign). But I havent sent this patch yet. |
| 20:17.03 | KOLANICH | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.04 | n_1-c_k | my apt trouble, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1157568 - help? |
| 20:21.03 | greycat | n_1-c_k: are you doing this without a terminal? Or is the TERM variable somehow mangled/unset? |
| 20:21.34 | n_1-c_k | In an emacs shell buffer. TERM is 'dumb'. |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | Well, that explains the errors about the terminal. |
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| 20:22.38 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, how can i install libgtk3-dev on debian 10 ? |
| 20:22.48 | rocketmagnet | he wont't let me install it because of dependencies |
| 20:23.14 | greycat | n_1-c_k: what happens if you open a *normal* terminal, and run "dpkg --configure -a"? |
| 20:24.44 | n_1-c_k | greycat, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1157572 |
| 20:25.20 | greycat | OK, you're going to have to figure out why this post-install script is failing. |
| 20:25.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.15 | greycat | Edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/texlive-base.postinst script, putting "set -x" somewhere near the top of it. Then try again and see what happens. The goal is to figure out which command is failing, and ideally *why*. |
| 20:26.33 | n_1-c_k | OK, will try that... |
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| 20:31.30 | n_1-c_k | Now it's https://paste.debian.net/1157574/ - does it point to line 10 as the trouble? |
| 20:31.43 | n_1-c_k | oh forgot the raw version.. |
| 20:31.53 | n_1-c_k | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1157574 |
| 20:32.54 | greycat | Apparently "ucf" is failing. I don't know what that is, so you'll have to figure out why... maybe that filename that it was told to purge is already missing or something? I have no idea. |
| 20:34.20 | n_1-c_k | OK, I guess I'll try to mess with that script. Thanks for pointers thus far. I may be back... |
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| 20:38.20 | rocketmagnet | how to install libgtk-3-dev on buster ?? |
| 20:38.27 | rocketmagnet | i really need it |
| 20:38.34 | greycat | ,v libgtk-3-dev |
| 20:38.35 | judd | Package: libgtk-3-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.11-1; buster: 3.24.5-1; bullseye: 3.24.20-1; sid: 3.24.20-1 |
| 20:39.05 | rocketmagnet | he tells me i can't install it because of debendencies |
| 20:39.38 | rocketmagnet | https://paste.debian.net/1157577/ |
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| 20:40.57 | greycat | !localized errors |
| 20:40.58 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 20:41.22 | greycat | Other than that, I would guess that your sources.list is not complete, or you haven't run "apt-get update" since you last edited it. |
| 20:41.25 | greycat | !buster sources.list |
| 20:41.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:43.05 | n_1-c_k | I changed that 'purge' line to read 'if [ -f $file ]; then ucf --purge $file; fi' and I think it's installed muttprint now, which is hopeful... |
| 20:43.47 | n_1-c_k | I got 'needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed' but maybe that's not so bad. |
| 20:44.52 | n_1-c_k | ah if I just run 'needrestart' at the prompt, it's fine. I *think* it's all good. Thanks, greycat. |
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| 21:13.43 | rocketmagnet | i'm on debian 10 and want to install wxwidgets, why can't i just install the libgtk-3-dev package ?? i get a few dependency problems |
| 21:14.02 | rocketmagnet | i need it desperately |
| 21:14.27 | tarzeau | rocketmagnet: which version of wxwidgets? |
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| 21:15.14 | greycat | rocketmagnet: did you fix your sources.list and run "apt-get update"? |
| 21:15.23 | tarzeau | it's called libwxbase3.0-dev ? |
| 21:15.26 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 21:16.39 | rocketmagnet | here is the output: https://paste.debian.net/1157581/ |
| 21:17.19 | greycat | ,v libatk-bridge2.0-dev |
| 21:17.20 | judd | Package: libatk-bridge2.0-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 2.14.0-2; stretch: 2.22.0-2; stretch-backports: 2.30.0-5~bpo9+1; buster: 2.30.0-5; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.34.1-2~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.34.1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.34.1-3; sid: 2.34.1-3 |
| 21:17.42 | greycat | What happens if you try to install libatk-bridge2.0-dev ? |
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| 21:18.32 | tarzeau | held broken packages? apt-mark showhold says anything? |
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| 21:18.51 | Battaglin | bash: a2ensite: command not found |
| 21:19.04 | Battaglin | ehmm.. why isnt this working anymore ? |
| 21:19.14 | tarzeau | Battaglin: you need apache2 for that to work? |
| 21:19.14 | Battaglin | or whats the replacement cmd |
| 21:19.29 | tarzeau | Battaglin: for some apache2 specific command there's probable no replacement |
| 21:19.32 | Battaglin | i have apache2 fresh installed on debian 10 |
| 21:19.56 | Battaglin | I've used debian for like 14 yrs |
| 21:19.57 | tarzeau | many people switched to nginx though: https://news.netcraft.com/archives/category/web-server-survey/ |
| 21:20.05 | tarzeau | Battaglin: what says dpkg -l apache2 ? |
| 21:20.36 | Battaglin | apache2 2.4.38-3+deb10u3 amd64 Apache HTTP Server |
| 21:21.00 | tarzeau | Battaglin: but what does it really say, the first two letters? |
| 21:21.21 | Battaglin | ii apache2 2.4.38-3+deb10u3 amd64 Apache HTTP Server |
| 21:21.43 | tarzeau | Battaglin: ahh probably that path change /usr/bin /something/else and $PATH |
| 21:22.11 | tarzeau | are you root? with su and - or without -? |
| 21:22.18 | Battaglin | yea yea ofc |
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| 21:22.44 | Battaglin | why the f is this sh.te changing all the time grrrr |
| 21:22.54 | rocketmagnet | greycat: i get another error |
| 21:23.12 | tarzeau | Battaglin: it just changed once? |
| 21:23.23 | rocketmagnet | greycat: here is the error output: https://paste.debian.net/1157584/ |
| 21:24.06 | Battaglin | tarzeau: yeah.. thats the problem... only installed my last 5 yrs ago.. |
| 21:24.18 | Battaglin | hardware fail.. have to install new |
| 21:24.20 | Battaglin | :-( |
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| 21:25.48 | Battaglin | /usr/sbin/a2ensite |
| 21:25.55 | Battaglin | haha.. just whyyy |
| 21:25.58 | Battaglin | oh god! |
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| 21:26.18 | Battaglin | tarzeau: thnx tho |
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| 21:28.18 | greycat | rocketmagnet: keep following the chain until you figure out what's CAUSING the errors. Try installing the next one. |
| 21:28.54 | greycat | Or, if you wish, you can try the generic shotgun approaches: run "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg --configure -a" and see if one of them coughs up a useful error message. |
| 21:32.34 | rocketmagnet | greycat: this happens when i reach the end: https://paste.debian.net/1157588/ |
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| 21:34.05 | dvs | rocketmagnet, that's a debian 9 package |
| 21:34.33 | rocketmagnet | what does that mean ? i've done dist-update |
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| 21:35.45 | dvs | rocketmagnet, there's no such thing as "dist-update", there's just "update" |
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| 21:39.34 | rocketmagnet | greycat: https://paste.debian.net/1157590/ |
| 21:40.15 | sney | !buster su |
| 21:40.15 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 21:43.46 | rocketmagnet | greycat: dpkg --configure -a gives me no output now |
| 21:44.49 | annadane | rocketmagnet, see what dpkg posted above ^ |
| 21:45.41 | rocketmagnet | no output at all |
| 21:45.59 | rocketmagnet | is there no way this can be solved with linux ?? |
| 21:46.20 | rocketmagnet | can't i just have two versions of the same file just wit other version numbers ? |
| 21:46.22 | dvs | no output means it's correct: there is nothing pending to configure |
| 21:46.30 | rocketmagnet | that won't hurt |
| 21:47.23 | rocketmagnet | greycat: ^^ |
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| 21:50.11 | greycat | ,v libpcre3 |
| 21:50.12 | judd | Package: libpcre3 on amd64 -- jessie: 2:8.35-3.3+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.39-3; buster: 2:8.39-12; bullseye: 2:8.39-13; sid: 2:8.39-13 |
| 21:50.37 | greycat | Where did you get this 2:8.43-1+0~20190710.6+debian10~1.gbpbfc49f version? |
| 21:55.15 | greycat | Well in any case, it clearly came from outside of Debian, and it's clearly clogging up your package management. Figure it out. |
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| 23:03.11 | jaggz | how do you get apt to install dependencies that "is not going to be installed"? |
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| 23:04.30 | jaggz | oh, nevermind. there was another program that had a broken dep. it was refusing because of that one. removing that thing and the other accepted and installed the deps with the normal "yes" answer |
| 23:05.01 | mutante | jaggz: great, was about to ask if you have mixed distros in APT sources |
| 23:05.39 | jaggz | mutante, thanks :) |
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