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| 00:08.26 | lewie67[p] | has anyone here used foreman to successfully preseed an ubuntu 20.04 host? |
| 00:08.38 | lewie67[p] | I'm having a networking issue upon first boot after build and I think i'm close to solving it but I don't know enough about ubuntu's networking configuration options to get over the hump |
| 00:08.50 | lewie67[p] | I was seeking help on the #ubuntu channel and they got me close, but i'm still a bit stuck...I think I want to use NetworkManager to manage the wired interfaces, but on first boot after build there is an /etc/network/interfaces file that disrupts NM's ability to manage the interface |
| 00:08.59 | lewie67[p] | I've tried using late_command in preseed to just trash the interfaces file but it still shows up... |
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| 00:12.31 | tinfoil-hat | Hey, does anybody know how a cronjob for newsboat could possibly look like? |
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| 00:15.13 | sney | I think systemd timers are supposed to replace cron, but I always just put shell scripts in /etc/cron.(period) anyway. can't remember the last time I actually made a cron entry manually |
| 00:15.55 | tinfoil-hat | I mean the command that would trigger newsboat to fetch the urls |
| 00:16.06 | mutante | tinfoil-hat: reload ? |
| 00:16.12 | tinfoil-hat | I'd go with crontab -e |
| 00:16.21 | tinfoil-hat | oh .... |
| 00:17.02 | tinfoil-hat | mutante: thank you! |
| 00:17.52 | mutante | tinfoil-hat: ;) |
| 00:18.44 | tinfoil-hat | I am such a dumbass, I have it right here infornt of me in the manpage :( |
| 00:19.20 | mutante | tinfoil-hat: np, just remember when you put it in cron you probably want to make it silent and redirect the output |
| 00:19.27 | mutante | or you might get mail spam |
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| 00:19.39 | tinfoil-hat | ok, thanks |
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| 00:39.10 | atlizz | hello , how could i make some service on my own? by executing mongod service with certain parameters? |
| 00:39.33 | atlizz | since it wont read the mongod.conf properly..it just works if i run it with the parameters |
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| 00:39.51 | atlizz | but its over when bash session expires |
| 00:40.11 | atlizz | is it possible to create autorun service with a command? |
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| 00:45.50 | jadax | I have a laptop with 2 physical ethernet interfaces, I need to turn it into a wiretap to sniff traffic between my gateway and ONT. I'm following this tutorial to set up the bridge: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-configuring-bridging-in-debian-linux/ |
| 00:46.18 | jadax | the question is - why would that bridge need IP address or any of that data? I just want to make it dumb wiretap that doesn't interfere with the traffic whatsoever |
| 00:46.37 | jadax | all I want is to be able to have pass-through between the 2 interfaces and listen on the traffic with wireshark |
| 00:46.40 | jadax | how do I approach it? |
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| 00:56.35 | jak2000 | hi all, how to install java8 on a debian10? thanks |
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| 01:08.06 | istrive | hello all, Good to be back! |
| 01:09.11 | ndegruchy | jak2000: you should just be able to download the tarball and extract it to somewhere like /opt |
| 01:09.26 | ndegruchy | it doesn't look like they have a deb package, just RPM |
| 01:09.28 | istrive | I have a script to send me nofications from logins, either local or remove (ssh/vnc) but locally it only triggers if over tty, what's goin on? |
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| 01:12.02 | oblio | howdy - i'm juggling w trying to use rtl8xxxu and there is this option for your device. |
| 01:12.05 | oblio | Wireless network interface configuration can be performed using a connection manager (such as NetworkManager) or through Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file with a special purpose utility (such as wpa_supplicant). Examples of NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant configuration are described below. |
| 01:12.11 | oblio | oops |
| 01:12.11 | oblio | maligned copy/paste, apologies |
| 01:12.32 | oblio | there is this option RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED for the driver i need to enable, is that a sysctl situation? or kernel arg? |
| 01:15.23 | ndegruchy | jadax: You would need to have an ip on both ends of the bridge to direct traffic to (in and out). Otherwise you'd want to setup a port on your switch (managed) to trunk the ports your interested in inspecting traffic on |
| 01:16.33 | istrive | this is the script in the /etc/profile https://pastebin.com/3QqDEbuZ |
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| 01:19.38 | oblio | trying to follow this -> and it says "make sure your kernel enables CONFIG_RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED" but i have no direct concept on how to do that |
| 01:19.41 | oblio | If your device is not detected, make sure that your kernel enables CONFIG_RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED |
| 01:20.01 | oblio | wow i'm not typing good, from here -> https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes |
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| 01:26.54 | istrive | any ideas? |
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| 02:39.55 | tux_de_botina | hi |
| 02:40.47 | tux_de_botina | somebody can say to me, how I can be a package maintainer ? |
| 02:42.00 | dvs | !nmg |
| 02:42.00 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 02:45.14 | tux_de_botina | dpkg: thanks ;D |
| 02:45.14 | dpkg | my pleasure, tux_de_botina |
| 02:45.32 | annadane | you're speaking to a bot |
| 02:45.43 | annadane | thank dvs instead :P |
| 02:46.18 | dvs | hides away |
| 02:47.03 | annadane | dpkg -r dpkgbot |
| 02:47.04 | dpkg | removes dpkgbot along with a pound of flesh from annadane's body, then staples annadane back up with a staple gun. |
| 02:47.21 | annadane | ow |
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| 03:19.54 | Robby | so I updated a debian buster server that is a Xen host, rebooted it, now the VMs wont come up..... F in the chat |
| 03:22.56 | annadane | no idea where those logs are so can't really help :P |
| 03:23.08 | annadane | maybe the man page can tell you |
| 03:23.58 | Robby | I'm actually looking at all the logs I can |
| 03:24.12 | Robby | dmesg, journalctl -e, /var/log/xen/* |
| 03:24.23 | Robby | nothing that really says anything useful |
| 03:24.24 | Robby | at all |
| 03:24.26 | Robby | :/ |
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| 03:24.58 | Robby | its really odd |
| 03:25.18 | annadane | damn it debian you're supposed to be stable! |
| 03:25.35 | Robby | yeah.... thats what has me stumped |
| 03:25.58 | Robby | i updated as i always did, only today... F |
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| 03:29.08 | Robby | so now I'm skimming through https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/x/xen/changelog-4.11.424-gddaaccbbab-1deb10u1 |
| 03:29.20 | Robby | seeing if anything there might have caused this |
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| 04:40.07 | Robby | alright, figured it out, sorta |
| 04:40.14 | Robby | its the qemu packages |
| 04:40.34 | Robby | I downgraded those and the VMs are coming back on |
| 04:41.24 | Robby | should probably file a bugreport about this, but idk the cause |
| 04:41.28 | Robby | logs were useless |
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| 05:20.35 | Robby | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=965987 |
| 05:20.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/965987 in src:qemu (closed, confirmed, upstream): «qemu: cannot create hvm domUs after upgrade»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-07-21; last modified: 2020-07-22. |
| 05:20.40 | Robby | this is it, fyi |
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| 05:38.03 | jadax | how do I force dhcp release and renew on debian 10? |
| 05:38.22 | jadax | I have stale dhcp lease on ethernet interface |
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| 05:38.46 | jim | what dhcp client do you use? |
| 05:40.45 | jim | jadax, ^^ |
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| 05:54.59 | atlizz | guys, after fixing a error on mongod.conf file, service seems inactive and i cant start it anymore. something is wrong with the unit. I can run mongod manually specifying the options as parameters, but everytime i try to use the config file computer says no, it wont give any error message this time |
| 05:55.33 | atlizz | it used to give error of syntax of conf file, but I fixed as valid YAML conf file format |
| 05:58.39 | Chevver | Probably the file permissions were changed when you didted and saved it |
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| 05:59.39 | atlizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.44 | atlizz | its 644 |
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| 05:59.49 | atlizz | should i change it? |
| 05:59.59 | fredl | Not really a Debian question... but would anybody try 'n help me troubleshoot a DNS problem I'm having? |
| 06:00.01 | Chevver | well what was the original value |
| 06:00.16 | fredl | Coz I'm totally flabbergasted |
| 06:00.18 | atlizz | no idea |
| 06:00.24 | atlizz | but i see other conf files the same values |
| 06:00.39 | Chevver | well I think thats probably it. can you obtain a stock conf and comapre the values? |
| 06:01.00 | atlizz | fred in all cases is better to shoot the question |
| 06:01.13 | Chevver | because if the service wont start it likely cant parse the conf, and if everyhing is kosher in its format like you said it probably cant see it |
| 06:01.27 | fredl | I have a domain, panamaopenair.com, its whois info looks just peachy... querying the NS directly works find, but somehow the TLD servers won't give back any replies |
| 06:02.17 | atlizz | Chevver: if i try sudo systemctl enable mongod |
| 06:02.21 | atlizz | or mongod.service |
| 06:02.24 | atlizz | it wont autocomplete |
| 06:02.37 | atlizz | if i manually type it, it says nothing, like okay |
| 06:02.42 | Chevver | yes I understand that |
| 06:03.04 | Chevver | try opening a terminal and running journalctl -xe -f |
| 06:03.05 | atlizz | if i type nkfosadnf.service it fails |
| 06:03.12 | Chevver | and the trying to start the service |
| 06:03.15 | atlizz | but if i type mongod.service it wont fail, but also dont say nothing |
| 06:03.21 | atlizz | oki |
| 06:03.26 | Chevver | it should spit out the exact error |
| 06:03.35 | atlizz | thanks a lot |
| 06:03.40 | Chevver | might have to look throught the output though |
| 06:03.42 | Chevver | no prob |
| 06:04.33 | Chevver | also found this, seems to be a bug gthat the mongod conf is getting its user/group messed up https://www.percona.com/blog/2020/01/09/permissions-issue-when-upgrading-mongodb-with-custom-dbpath-or-logpath/ |
| 06:04.58 | hotbot | fredl: it's replying to me |
| 06:05.19 | hotbot | no NS |
| 06:05.26 | Chevver | altlizz: idk if it helps but seems to be the issue I suspected, eitherway looking at the journalctl will help |
| 06:05.53 | fredl | hotbot - that's the problem, but if you query the DNS servers for this domain you'll see they exist |
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| 06:06.38 | fredl | hotbot: dig panamaopenair.com @auth02.dns.trueserver.nl ns +short |
| 06:07.19 | atlizz | Chevver: that means 2 sessions opened , right? |
| 06:07.32 | atlizz | for the journal test |
| 06:08.40 | hotbot | fredl: where did you configure auth02.dns.trueserver.nl to be its DNS server? |
| 06:09.17 | fredl | well that's in the whois DB right |
| 06:09.23 | hotbot | nvm I see it in whois |
| 06:09.40 | hotbot | since Updated Date: 2020-07-22T21:21:51Z |
| 06:10.06 | hotbot | ? |
| 06:10.09 | fredl | its almost like this might be a gtld issue |
| 06:10.20 | hotbot | almost |
| 06:10.46 | hotbot | prob only because we're not so smart about DNS, the rest of the internet seems to be fine |
| 06:11.00 | hotbot | I don't know 2 days is a long time |
| 06:11.14 | hotbot | it is a long time for domain NS to propagate |
| 06:11.38 | fredl | TTLS for all the records in that domain is set to 86400 (24h) |
| 06:11.48 | hotbot | ah yeah |
| 06:11.52 | hotbot | that must be it |
| 06:12.13 | fredl | well it's july 24th here :) |
| 06:13.05 | fredl | other than that the NS records haven't changed so even when it's a propagation problem, those records were there |
| 06:13.08 | hotbot | my DNS skills aren't exactly fresh either |
| 06:13.25 | hotbot | ah yeah they were there |
| 06:13.40 | hotbot | but if the gtld removed them they must have not been there for some time no? |
| 06:14.24 | fredl | I'd say, but they were there since inception so somehow gtld got records without NS servers |
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| 06:16.22 | hotbot | fredl: wish I could've been more useful, maybe ask in #bind |
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| 06:17.56 | fredl | no prob, tnx for trying anyway hotbot |
| 06:20.22 | magyar | hi, how can I decrypt tcpdump packets that I capture on a server |
| 06:20.32 | magyar | ? |
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| 06:28.51 | Ashleee | wireshark |
| 06:29.33 | magyar | Ashleee: what about serverside? |
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| 06:31.17 | Ashleee | uh :) never tried that tbh |
| 06:32.47 | Ashleee | you can probably just use tcpdump to read it back |
| 06:32.54 | Ashleee | via -r flag |
| 06:33.17 | Ashleee | (but scp and wireshark ftw) |
| 06:34.13 | Unit193 | tcpdump? |
| 06:34.28 | Unit193 | Pardon me, I was scrolled up it seems. |
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| 06:50.58 | atlizz | what happen if i did by accident sudo rm -R /var/lib/??? |
| 06:51.07 | atlizz | how do i revert this before changes take place? O.o |
| 06:51.58 | Ashleee | the whole of /var/lib? :) |
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| 06:52.38 | atlizz | Ashleee: yep... |
| 06:52.40 | Ashleee | if you want to try undelete you should stop writing to that drive |
| 06:52.48 | Ashleee | s/should/HAVE TO |
| 06:52.55 | atlizz | okay done but |
| 06:53.05 | atlizz | what to do now ? :S |
| 06:53.11 | Ashleee | now boot off some CD and try extundelete, if it still exists |
| 06:53.33 | atlizz | what if is a server that i access via ssh? |
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| 06:54.01 | Ashleee | I think the fastest option is to reinstall and recover from another replica or backup if possible :) |
| 06:54.02 | Ashleee | and safest |
| 06:54.11 | atlizz | :D |
| 06:54.15 | atlizz | omg |
| 06:54.21 | atlizz | start all ver again lolol |
| 06:54.33 | atlizz | including ssh certificates... allllllll |
| 06:54.37 | atlizz | i want to cry |
| 06:54.40 | atlizz | xDD |
| 06:54.47 | Ashleee | ssh keys are the easy stuff, literally one scp/curl away |
| 06:55.23 | atlizz | its all prefectly re-doable... but heck, half day lost at least |
| 06:55.41 | atlizz | anyway... this is what happens when u delete var/lib and doesnt have any backups :D |
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| 06:56.00 | atlizz | ok thanks Ashleee |
| 06:56.02 | Ashleee | half a day the first time, half an hour the second time :) |
| 06:56.05 | Ashleee | np |
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| 06:58.52 | Ashleee | I mean you could `dpkg -S /var/lib` and reinstall each package and hope for the best but good luck :P |
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| 09:01.08 | atlizz | some help with mongo bug? |
| 09:01.31 | atlizz | even with fresh debian install still having issue with mongod.service |
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| 09:01.50 | atlizz | i have to start it manually , setting the options, otherwise it wont work, and service wont start with error code 14 |
| 09:02.02 | atlizz | but i can run mongod manually with parameters and works okay |
| 09:02.16 | atlizz | using same dbpath, same port, all same than the config file |
| 09:02.35 | atlizz | i already check file permissions on dbpath, aswell of mongod conf permissions |
| 09:02.38 | atlizz | and looks okay |
| 09:03.18 | atlizz | the lock file in /tmp is owned by the right user, but permissions are a bit weird, its like srwx------ |
| 09:03.21 | avu | atlizz: mongodb is not available in Debian, if you installed it through the mongo repos, maybe ask around their community how to get it to work? |
| 09:03.23 | atlizz | never seen that s |
| 09:03.41 | atlizz | avu, okay thanks |
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| 09:04.14 | atlizz | avu what no-SQL database types could I use under debian? |
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| 09:05.22 | avu | atlizz: postgresql can cover most if not any use cases for this "no-sql" fad |
| 09:05.43 | avu | atlizz: look at the JSONB data type if you really need schema-less data |
| 09:06.05 | atlizz | avu i do not need schemaless data |
| 09:06.08 | atlizz | i actually hate it |
| 09:06.13 | atlizz | im just learning it |
| 09:06.37 | atlizz | i prefer mariadb x1000 times over this |
| 09:06.49 | avu | well, if you don't need schemaless data, don't use these schemaless databases :) |
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| 09:07.14 | atlizz | i guess ill need to convert my code :,( |
| 09:07.17 | atlizz | xD |
| 09:07.32 | ratrace | especially needs-multiple-nodes-to-guarantee-consistency mongoDB :) |
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| 09:08.14 | avu | the only good thing about mongodb is their marketing department :p |
| 09:08.21 | atlizz | you mean updating records to keep data consistency? (because of duplicated data everywhere)? |
| 09:08.26 | ratrace | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs |
| 09:09.03 | ratrace | atlizz: I mean mongodb has no guarantees for committing data on disk because it does so once per minute or so, that's why mongo devs recommend you run multiple nodes (like, separate servers) in replication, in case one fails. |
| 09:09.24 | atlizz | lol |
| 09:09.26 | atlizz | didnt know that |
| 09:09.37 | ratrace | watch the video :) |
| 09:09.44 | atlizz | thanks |
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| 09:11.42 | atlizz | xDDDD |
| 09:11.44 | ratrace | (tl;dr devnull is faster than mongodb) |
| 09:11.52 | atlizz | devnull will be way fsaster, true |
| 09:12.08 | atlizz | best bennchmarks ;D |
| 09:12.40 | atlizz | funny stuff |
| 09:12.49 | ratrace | ya :) |
| 09:15.26 | ratrace | postgres is really featureful and can be used for (schemaless) document store via JSON(B) column types. it can also be tuned to relax ACIDity and achieve speeds near those of mongoDB, for the same drawbacks |
| 09:15.50 | ratrace | BUT if I really needed an in memory, dont-need-consistency datastore layer in front of postgres, I'd use Redis |
| 09:15.50 | atlizz | okay then... why javascript is so friend of mongo ? its because JSON format? |
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| 09:16.45 | atlizz | most of courses with new technologies involving JS (nodejs for example) enforce the use of no-sql databases |
| 09:16.53 | atlizz | its a bit annoying, i dont like the concept at all |
| 09:16.53 | ratrace | possibly, and because someone figured out they can use the mongodb backend directly from client-side javascript and they thought that's cool |
| 09:17.15 | ratrace | read that slowly so it sinks in: database directly accessible from client side. |
| 09:19.09 | atlizz | how is that? i mean, i manage my database through an API, on the server side (which is js too, but shouldnt be in the client side anyway) |
| 09:19.20 | avu | ask in #node.js about mongo and you'll quickly revise your oppinion about the js community liking mongo :) |
| 09:19.38 | atlizz | aahh I see |
| 09:19.42 | avu | you'll get slapped with a bot factoid explaining why you should never use it |
| 09:19.50 | atlizz | xD |
| 09:19.58 | atlizz | then im glad about this |
| 09:20.04 | atlizz | because i hate design a database in mongo |
| 09:20.11 | atlizz | it really bad for data, thats what i think |
| 09:20.15 | ratrace | atlizz: it's same as js in the backend, where indeed JSON on both sides removes the need for data conversion layers, and effectively removes any impendance mismatch that might creep in due to that, eg. a generic ORM is not needed |
| 09:20.27 | atlizz | feel like loose of control of structure, information gets less valiious |
| 09:20.28 | user217_ | hello. Is someone use 'displaylink-debian' ? https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/displaylink-debian |
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| 09:20.55 | user217_ | Im try to use third monitor wuth this but stack |
| 09:20.57 | atlizz | valuable* |
| 09:21.15 | ratrace | atlizz: but if you need to store massive amounts of data of the kind that it doesn't matter if some is lost (eg, data series used for interpolation, noncritical logs, ...) ..... use Redis :) |
| 09:21.31 | atlizz | oki ill keep that in mind too |
| 09:21.59 | atlizz | sounds okay for storing application status (properties values, objects, etc) |
| 09:22.20 | atlizz | or any non-structured stuf |
| 09:22.53 | ratrace | you can use postgres for that too, AND benefit from its ACID-ity |
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| 09:25.19 | ksk | user217_: welcome to #debian. See what I wrote in ##linux: Either supply us with a meaningful error-message (notice that this softare is not part of debian, and this is a volunteers channel) or contact the author of the software. |
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| 09:26.26 | atlizz | i see, its like transactional consistency system, right? |
| 09:26.29 | atlizz | this ACID |
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| 09:27.04 | atlizz | my mind always blow up when i come and talk with you guys... you have hugue knowledges and i feel so tiny |
| 09:27.06 | Fox | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID |
| 09:27.39 | atlizz | I wanted to be soft developer since i was 13 year old and im 34 and still dont even know 1/500 compared to what most of you guys know |
| 09:27.53 | atlizz | how is that even possible? what kind of brain do you have'? XD |
| 09:28.25 | atlizz | maybe if i never tried h##h in my life my head would be in a better shape :P |
| 09:29.24 | atlizz | I guess i would rather worked more and played less :) for example |
| 09:29.34 | atlizz | anyway, i want to say u guys thanks |
| 09:29.47 | atlizz | u not only have great knowledge, but share and work in community |
| 09:29.57 | atlizz | big people |
| 09:31.07 | atlizz | sorry i went emotional for a moment |
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| 09:34.16 | atlizz | btw i didnt make it, my dream |
| 09:34.31 | atlizz | :P im regular IT guy, and not even that nowadays :P |
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| 10:23.12 | tux_de_botina | Robby: the redirect example helps you? |
| 10:23.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys how do i get the current setting for the grave key? |
| 10:23.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i remapped my esc to caps but im not sure where grave went |
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| 10:30.20 | ratrace | the what key? |
| 10:30.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | GRAVE KEY |
| 10:30.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | opps |
| 10:31.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | my bad |
| 10:31.24 | ratrace | oh ` ? had to google that up, didn't know it was called that |
| 10:31.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 10:31.47 | ratrace | tried altr-gr + caps ? |
| 10:32.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | what altr-gr? |
| 10:32.29 | ratrace | right alt |
| 10:32.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 10:32.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | no workie |
| 10:32.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | but its seems its reverted now |
| 10:32.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | no worries let me get it back.. |
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| 10:35.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | grrr |
| 10:37.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | xmodmap -e "clear Lock" -e "keycode 0x42 = Escape" |
| 10:37.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | this is what im doing currently |
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| 11:00.54 | tarzeau | anyone up for a typespeed head2head? server is 192.33.96.22 |
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| 11:20.24 | lrvick | Seems debian snapshots is sad. Can't wget larger packages like: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20200723T000000Z/pool/updates/main/o/openjdk-11/openjdk-11-jdk-headless_11.0.7+10-3~deb10u1_amd64.deb |
| 11:21.00 | lrvick | things that can try/resume like wget and aria2c work, but it sakes several passes. apt-get can't resume so it breaks hard |
| 11:24.19 | Fox | works like a charm for me |
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| 11:29.45 | lrvick | hmm. takes several retries for me from 2 different US ips and apt can't do it at all. |
| 11:29.49 | lrvick | are you in the UA? |
| 11:30.03 | lrvick | US* |
| 11:30.08 | Fox | I'm french |
| 11:30.25 | lrvick | hmm |
| 11:30.26 | Fox | french IP then |
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| 11:36.53 | ksk | !snapshot.debian.org |
| 11:37.06 | ksk | mhm, not. Wondering if it is anycase-enabled, or not. |
| 11:37.12 | ksk | *anycast |
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| 11:41.38 | tarzeau | is people using ipmi? and not getting confused about the different versions and limitations on usernames? |
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| 12:27.51 | Bushmaster | Hi I am having problem with commands, the book says if I type ls -1 it should provide information about file for example -rw etc including size but in my case it does nothing other that listing all the directory |
| 12:28.20 | Ashleee | you sure? |
| 12:28.33 | oblio | bushmaster: ls -al |
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| 12:30.01 | Bushmaster | oblio, and Ashleee this is what I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Psy7CVfJHd/ |
| 12:30.07 | Bushmaster | oblio, let me check |
| 12:30.27 | Ashleee | because |
| 12:30.29 | Ashleee | ls -l vs ls -1 |
| 12:30.32 | Ashleee | it is lowercase L |
| 12:30.33 | Ashleee | not ONE :) |
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| 12:31.06 | Ashleee | Bushmaster, ^ |
| 12:31.43 | oblio | anyone know how to turn on a Kconfig option in a module on a running system? |
| 12:31.55 | Bushmaster | Ashleee, oblio big thanks, it works, I thought its One (1) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XTh5bwFV7J/ |
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| 12:32.17 | Ashleee | also on many distros - incl. ubuntu I think - is default alias ll=ls -l |
| 12:32.25 | Ashleee | (that's two lowercase L) |
| 12:32.34 | ksk | oblio: I dont think you can, these are compile-time-options. |
| 12:32.45 | oblio | ksk: i was reading a doc yesterday that implied you could |
| 12:32.55 | oblio | and then i got lost in a rabbithole |
| 12:33.00 | oblio | and i've still not escaped |
| 12:33.18 | oblio | you're suggesting i'd just have to recompile the module |
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| 12:34.27 | ksk | Kind of, yes. |
| 12:34.46 | oblio | ksk: do you know if i can use module-assistant w arbitrary modules? |
| 12:34.53 | Bushmaster | Ashleee, well with ls -lh it gives wrong data, file size or directory size showing 4K, these are large directory in my system so not sure why it showing 4K https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c5pNW2wf4g/ |
| 12:35.08 | Ashleee | because 4k is size of the directory entry |
| 12:35.09 | ksk | oblio: I dont even know what that is, sorry :P |
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| 12:35.23 | Ashleee | you have to do "du -h somedirectory" to get its actual size |
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| 12:38.41 | Bushmaster | Ashleee, thanks a lot, so directory entry means what? |
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| 12:39.38 | Ashleee | basically each entry in a directory has its parameters. The ones you will see the most are name, permissions and date. And this entry contains at least 4k (because that's your HDD's sector size) |
| 12:40.06 | Ashleee | and each of those entries also can contain contents -- for a file it is the actual contents, for a directory it is entries for sub-files/directories again |
| 12:40.49 | Ashleee | so imagine you have a file called "contents.txt" that contains the list of files in another directory. The "contents.txt" will have 4k but the actual content of the directory will be much more |
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| 12:46.31 | Bushmaster | Ashleee, thanks bit confusing but I think I got the general picture thanks a lot and will ask some more as I am learning Linux commands |
| 12:46.47 | Ashleee | np :) I'm not here that often so I am sure some other peeps will help |
| 12:47.11 | Bushmaster | that du -h is good command, it helps but i have to be in that directory or show the path |
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| 13:05.06 | Ashleee | du -sch ./* |
| 13:05.11 | Ashleee | or some other variant |
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| 13:46.10 | vincent- | How can I prevent a package to be update further than a particular version? For instance, I have the package "foo-1.0" installed, and I don't want to upgrade it more than "foo-1.2" even if newer versions are available. |
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| 13:47.06 | vincent- | I have tried with /etc/apt/preferences.d/foo , with "Pin: version 1.2", but it seemed to be ignored. |
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| 13:51.27 | annadane | vincent-, apt-mark hold <package> |
| 13:51.43 | vincent- | annadane, but that's not specifying the maximum version I want to allow. |
| 13:52.13 | vincent- | I want the package to update, but not higher than version X. |
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| 13:57.36 | Fox | I don't think that's possible |
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| 14:00.15 | aaro | vincent-: there's an example for that in apt_preferences man page |
| 14:01.05 | vincent- | aaro, I have read the man page and I didn't see such a example :/ I'll read it again, just in case. |
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| 14:01.57 | vincent- | aaro, can you quote a few words I can search in the man page so I can find exactly which example are you referring to? |
| 14:03.42 | aaro | vincent-: something like "Package: <package name>\nPin: version 5.20*\nPin-Priority: 1001" |
| 14:04.12 | Delta706 | how can I change the command line used to run ircd? |
| 14:04.18 | vincent- | aaro, that does not prevent the upgrade to higher versions. I've already tried it :-) |
| 14:05.54 | ksk | Delta706: Not 100% what you are asking for here, you want to alter the way ircd does start? take a look at its systemd unit file. |
| 14:07.14 | Delta706 | I want to run "ircd -p off" |
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| 14:12.39 | vincent- | If anyone is interested... annadane, Fox, aaro, I think I've found the way to do it. You can add multiple entries for the same package in /etc/apt/preferences. You can specify the version you want with maximum priority. And in the next entry, match any version with * and set a -1 priority. I'm going to test it now. |
| 14:15.45 | cybrNaut | ,v mythtv |
| 14:15.46 | judd | Package: mythtv on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 0.28.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 30.0+fixes20200514.gitc6b20b072e-dmo1+deb10u2; bullseye-multimedia: 31.0+fixes20200715.git8212a9b7bf-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 31.0+fixes20200720.git89d1991ef2-dmo1 |
| 14:17.59 | tmroland | im trying to install wine32 and it says it cant install it due to some package that wont be installed (For whatever reason), and if i try to install the package that wont get installed by apt automatically, I get a message that I should be careful how I proceed and list of all packages in the system going to be removed. how to fix this package management clusterfuck? |
| 14:17.59 | cybrNaut | what does that mean when it's in "stretch-multimedia"? Is that official? |
| 14:18.27 | Fox | no it's not |
| 14:18.33 | hexnewbie | What facility in Debian would switch network cards off on ifdown? It wasn't happening on Wheezy, and although I haven't confirmed it happening on Buster yet, it's a problem on Stretch. Would systemd do that, something in the code that handles ifdown, the kernel? What would I look at to change that behaviour? |
| 14:19.53 | Fox | !deb-multimedia |
| 14:19.53 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 14:20.07 | Fox | cybrNaut: ^^ |
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| 14:24.05 | cybrNaut | Fox: thanks. I'm a bit confused though because I would think the bot in this channel would only mention official resources. And it seems there is a Debian Multimedia repo that is separate from deb-multimedia (ref https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia) |
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| 14:25.40 | cybrNaut | Ultimately, I'm trying to work out what's going on with mythTV. I'm told that Debian excludes mythTV due to legal issues with ffmpeg owning patents, but at the same time i see that ffmpeg itself is an official debian package (i think) |
| 14:26.33 | Fox | I didn't now about that DebianMultimedia team, good to know |
| 14:26.49 | vincent- | annadane, Fox, aaro, it doesn't work :/ |
| 14:27.38 | Fox | vincent-: I said I think what you're trying to achieve is not possible :) |
| 14:28.11 | vincent- | Fox, strange, because I think I'm not trying to do something super weird. |
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| 14:30.32 | Fox | it doesn't sound like, but why do you want to do that ? |
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| 14:32.31 | vincent- | Fox, on Raspbian they have updated the raspberrypi-kernel package. That installs 5.4 kernels. After that, the v4l2loopback-dkms package fails to install because that module fails to compile for >=5.1 kernels. It has been fixed upstream in 0.12.2, but Debian Buster has 0.2.12. |
| 14:32.53 | vincent- | So I want to limit the kernel update to the maximum version that I know it's fine. |
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| 14:33.22 | Fox | go straight to that version then |
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| 14:33.52 | vincent- | Fox, yeah, I could do that. And after that use apt-mark hold. |
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| 14:34.08 | vincent- | I'll Google how to install a specific version of a package. |
| 14:34.19 | Fox | apt install package=version |
| 14:34.46 | vincent- | Ah, I was missing the =. |
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| 14:35.04 | vincent- | In some distros you don't need the =. For Python's pip is ==. |
| 14:35.33 | Fox | cybrNaut: the fact that there is a multimedia team doesn't imply that there's a specific repo, where did you see that ? |
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| 14:36.49 | EdePopede | !hold |
| 14:36.50 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 14:36.57 | EdePopede | maybe this may work? |
| 14:37.05 | cybrNaut | Fox: guess it was a bad assumption.. i'm looking for an official repo and it may not exist |
| 14:37.21 | Fox | I'm pretty sure it doesn't :) |
| 14:37.38 | cybrNaut | i was wondering if I needed to add another token to the "main contrib non-free" line in sources.list |
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| 14:40.14 | cybrNaut | i really just need the mythTV front-end, and i'd hate to have to get it unofficially. Kodi has a mythTV plugin and kodi is in the official repos, but the Kodi project has jailed all their docs in CloudFlare's walled-garden, so I'd rather not use Kodi |
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| 14:45.15 | ksk | cybrNaut: I can relate to not liking CF, but you would stop using the web right now if you boycott them :P |
| 14:46.36 | cybrNaut | ksk: i indeed avoid the 10%+ of the web that is CF'd. I use the Ss search engine, which filters out CF sites from the results, and I have a browser plugin that automatically redirects to archive.org if I attempt to visit a CF site. |
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| 14:49.09 | Zathras | how can I live resize a remote VM on LVM please? root+1gb/home-1gb. As I only have access using SSH I cannot unmount home, not single-user boot. so obviously this fails: lvresize --resize --size -1GB /dev/mapper/test643--vg-home |
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| 14:50.07 | Zathras | I could enable root SSH, but will that be enough |
| 14:50.37 | ksk | Zathras: If you have no other users logged in you could then unmount /home, so yes, that could help. |
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| 14:52.37 | ksk | Zathras: just btw, you will kill the filesystem if that is using 100% of the LVM, and you start with shrinking the LVM |
| 14:52.59 | ksk | if reducing size, always start at the innermost layer. |
| 14:53.36 | ksk | and even then you can loose data if I remember correctly, as LVM does not know of a filesystem, and it could be either at the beginning or end of that LVM. |
| 14:54.23 | Zathras | done. thanks |
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| 15:07.39 | cybrNaut | official debian has mythtvfs, mythtv-status, and kodi-pvr-mythtv. mythtv-frontend is a separate pkg on deb-multimedia.org. So it's bizarre that mythtv-frontend is not official debian. |
| 15:07.49 | cybrNaut | i wonder what mythtv-frontend does that kodi-pvr-mythtv does not do, which would trigger patent issues |
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| 15:24.04 | ksk | maybe kodi just does not care? Kind of the same how ubutu ships ZFS, and Debian does not ;) |
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| 15:29.06 | cybrNaut | it's more a question of why mythTV devs don't make mythtv-frontend official. if it meets Debian's quality and legal standards, then it's in their interest to show that off, theoretically |
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| 16:02.24 | Bushmaster | hi, so SSH do not allow moving file from command line ? Take a look at this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BZTnJhDm57/ |
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| 16:08.55 | oerheks | smv *.* is a typo |
| 16:09.29 | Bushmaster | do you know the command to move file via SSH oerheks |
| 16:09.44 | oerheks | mv |
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| 16:10.59 | Bushmaster | I get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jXmdWRNmfj/ |
| 16:11.17 | Bushmaster | this is SSH not moving file from same computer |
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| 16:12.32 | oerheks | oh, i think now you are bound to scp |
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| 16:13.11 | Bushmaster | oerheks, scp is copy |
| 16:13.26 | Bushmaster | I wanna move and not copy |
| 16:13.52 | Bushmaster | scp works smv does not, very weird |
| 16:14.17 | oerheks | rsync ? rsync --remove-source-files (source files) destination |
| 16:14.37 | Bushmaster | no idea what it means |
| 16:14.48 | Bushmaster | leave it, I will find someone else to help me |
| 16:14.50 | Bushmaster | thanks anyhow |
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| 16:18.24 | eigenfire | Bushmaster: scp and delete the original. |
| 16:18.49 | eigenfire | Which is what you were told originally before getting rude. |
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| 16:20.40 | bochku | Bushmaster: no matter what command you'll use, they will effect to the same thing. copy and then delete. so better to do it with two simple commands instead of one complicated command |
| 16:23.54 | Bushmaster | bockku so there is not command to move the file in SSH |
| 16:24.11 | bochku | scp!!!! |
| 16:24.35 | Bushmaster | eigenfire, I do not give a damn what you think of me , so do not improvize |
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| 16:25.00 | Bushmaster | bochku, its copy not move |
| 16:25.14 | eigenfire | Bushmaster: You do realize that even the mv command is a copy-then-delete, right? |
| 16:25.24 | eigenfire | (At least, across filesystems.) |
| 16:25.32 | eigenfire | Bushmaster: scp, then delete the original. |
| 16:26.05 | Bushmaster | i can move in GUI by getting connected to other machine in GUI |
| 16:26.13 | Bushmaster | i wanted to do it in command line |
| 16:26.16 | eigenfire | Bushmaster: Yes. And that is, behind the scenes, a copy and delete. |
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| 16:26.34 | bochku | Bushmaster: if it pleases you, I can write you a shell script, call it smv, which will literally be two commands |
| 16:26.51 | Bushmaster | eigenfire, dude, you are good at redundancy, stop entertaining me |
| 16:26.56 | eigenfire | Bushmaster: Now, please, stop with the combative attitude. |
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| 16:27.23 | Bushmaster | bochku, so it is possible to get it done? |
| 16:27.44 | eigenfire | Yes. His shell script will scp, then delete the original. :D |
| 16:27.51 | Bushmaster | eigenfire, go find someone else who suits you... |
| 16:27.55 | bochku | ofc... If you really want _one_ command then I guess that's the way to go |
| 16:27.58 | pablopicasso | hey there, just installed buster. there is no wifi driver. |
| 16:28.16 | eigenfire | pablopicasso: Which wifi adapter are you using? |
| 16:28.24 | pablopicasso | I installed firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:28.47 | bochku | look at the output of dmesg, and see if it's complaining about anything |
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| 16:32.19 | sney | wifi firmware is not in those packages, you will need the one that corresponds to your nic, the most common are firmware-realtek and firmware-iwlwifi (intel). |
| 16:32.54 | sney | look for firmware messages in dmesg to find out which, or look at lspci/lsusb etc |
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| 17:45.08 | luuuciano_ | what an odd thing... suddenly some files (of a movies directory) modified their date to 7/2/2106 no idea why!? any idea what is going on? have been searching without luck yet... |
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| 17:47.22 | mutante | luuuciano_: 2106 seemed special -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_formatting_and_storage_bugs#Year_2106 |
| 17:47.54 | mutante | so it's basically FFFF FFFF |
| 17:50.42 | RoyK | I beleive it's quite well described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2550 |
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| 17:55.16 | RoyK | luuuciano_: also, please see https://xkcd.com/1179/ |
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| 17:58.10 | annadane | lol ^ |
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| 17:59.40 | luuuciano_ | oh yes, I saw that, the max 32 bit date... but no w idea what made that, I did a find /home/me/ -type f -newermt '2021-01-01' just to see what was shown, and found all those files |
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| 18:00.32 | luuuciano_ | there is not a lot... less than 100 files... in 2 or 3 directories... very odd |
| 18:00.53 | petn-randall | luuuciano_: filesystem corruption might be one reason for this. |
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| 18:03.22 | luuuciano_ | oh petn-randall, maybe it is that! I remember my system went frozen last night (when adding by mistake a "z" to a krusader input field I think), had to do a hard switch off... it is the first time this happened to me (the odd date) |
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| 18:09.59 | naptastic | I have a local mirror and PXE install set up, and it's great. It's installing Buster right now. The first thing I do after installing is switch to testing, which currently requires some gymnastics with apt. Is there a way I can have the network installer install testing directly? |
| 18:11.14 | sney | there's a testing installer. iirc mini.iso lets you choose the version to install as well. or if you're using pxe and a local cache anyway you can probably finagle something with debootstrap |
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| 18:15.03 | naptastic | mmm, I haven't looked at my bootstrap file in a while. |
| 18:15.07 | naptastic | takes a gander |
| 18:15.37 | naptastic | er, preseed. Whatever. |
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| 18:40.43 | lrvick | I have found the debian snapshot repo to be very unreliable, often taking many hours of retries to get my 1000ish packages for my project downloaded every time I build it. Is there a way to configure apt to check mainline mirrors for a package then only fallback to snapshots if the version is missing in well mirrored repos? |
| 18:42.45 | sney | if you're consistently using the same set of packages from one snapshot date, why not mirror them locally |
| 18:43.16 | lrvick | this is for a reproducible builds effort, so I want everyone to be able to build from 0 |
| 18:43.27 | lrvick | that could solve the problem for -me- but I want a best effort for others |
| 18:43.48 | lrvick | also I bump the snapshot date on every new release, which are frequent |
| 18:44.01 | lrvick | so the cache would only really help me once actually |
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| 18:45.41 | sney | well, this is all pretty edge-case-y, but anyway: sources.list is prioritized from top down. theoretically if you put the snapshot entry below the main mirror entry, it should use the main mirror for everything that it can before using snapshot |
| 18:46.07 | sney | but I don't think that apt "feature" is well maintained so you may see some inconsistency |
| 18:47.17 | lrvick | well that is potentially something at least. I'll give it a try |
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| 18:48.04 | lrvick | Yeah I mean you can't really functionally do reproducible builds without having everyone use the same build container with the same locked packages, so debian snapshots is the closest thing. IMO the fact this is an edge case is kinda sad. Everyone should be doing repo builds but as I am finding the path is pretty rough. |
| 18:48.06 | sney | you may also want to email the snapshot admins and see if they have any suggestions, or find out if you're being throttled intentionally |
| 18:48.20 | lrvick | yeah, I suppose that will be my next stop. thanks |
| 18:49.13 | sney | using snapshot for more than just occasional one-offs is the edge case. reproducible builds are a goal and ongoing project for debian |
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| 18:50.58 | lrvick | if I want to distribute a debian based toolchain container that itself builds reproducibly for compiling repro builds of other software, do I have any options other than snapshot? |
| 18:51.48 | lrvick | This ends with me making my own mirrors doesn't it... |
| 18:51.51 | nkuttler | use stable and pin the packages? i doubt the build toolchain gets lots of security upgrades? |
| 18:53.03 | lrvick | nkuttler: that was my initial approach, but packages keep getting deleted from mirrors all the times then the builds are perma-broken |
| 18:53.35 | lrvick | pulling from snapshot takes hours of failing and retrying but it at least -eventually- works sometimes maybe |
| 18:53.54 | lrvick | at least the packages still exist there, so it is the only path I am aware of atm. Would love alternatives |
| 18:54.20 | lrvick | the only other group I could find running into this that was very concerned about supply chain integrity was whonix... and they ended up just making their own mirrors too. meh |
| 18:54.32 | lrvick | reaches out to snapshot guys |
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| 19:09.44 | graphicsv | How important is linux-libc-dev? System keeps installing it from buster-backports repository? |
| 19:09.46 | graphicsv | !* |
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| 19:10.23 | sney | -dev packages are all optional, but that's one of the more fundamental header packages to have if you're ever compiling anything |
| 19:11.17 | graphicsv | sney: Well, I removed buster-backports and it's fine now. I'm using linux-libc-dev:4.19.139 from pristine custom kernel |
| 19:12.38 | graphicsv | Shouldn't I need a different version for each kernel I'm using? I have several kernel versions in this system. |
| 19:13.41 | greycat | No, the exact version of linux-libc-dev is not that important. Could you *imagine* how terrible it would be if you had to recompile everything, every time a minor kernel update happened? |
| 19:14.05 | graphicsv | greycat: That's how Gentoo does his stuff :'( |
| 19:15.10 | sney | that's pretty much what dkms does too, except for the most minor binary-compatible kernel updates |
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| 19:16.43 | graphicsv | My Ryzen is under severe observation. I've tweaked plenty of stuff. For now it seems stable. But I'll only now after days and no crash. I went into the BIOS and disabled PBO. Something changed! |
| 19:17.07 | graphicsv | I'm not a hardware guy myself. But these days I'm really paying for my sins |
| 19:17.21 | graphicsv | `BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.134-ryzen root=UUID=6ad59cc0-d603-4e56-9c33-032ca56cbc0a ro intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=1 idle=nomwait cpuidle.off=1 rcu_nocbs=0-11` |
| 19:18.05 | graphicsv | `CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y` =( |
| 19:18.17 | naptastic | graphicsv, where'd you get that kernel? |
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| 19:21.09 | graphicsv | naptastic: I got it from kernel.org |
| 19:21.49 | graphicsv | naptastic: Then copied config from 4.19.0-9 and recompiled with `CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y` |
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| 19:22.11 | graphicsv | Also, I've tweaked it with aufs. Very fun |
| 19:23.05 | graphicsv | a lot of fun**. Later I might remove useless drivers and features and such |
| 19:24.52 | naptastic | graphicsv, I used to do that. I wish I'd had the time and discipline to keep up with it. |
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| 19:25.34 | graphicsv | naptastic: I've done it a lot in my Gentoo days. Now I find it very unproductive |
| 19:26.42 | naptastic | graphicsv, my workload requires low-latency performance, so it was actually really useful for me. Now I just use the Liquorix distribution kernel... it's not as fast, since it's not compiled for the specific processor, but with MuQSS and the modified block scheduler, it's good enough for me. |
| 19:27.40 | graphicsv | naptastic: I wish I had the knowledge over my hardware to actually make my computer faster. I've always been a software kind of guy |
| 19:28.39 | graphicsv | naptastic: What exactly means "low-latency performance" in this case? Why'd you need it? |
| 19:29.09 | mutante | e-sports pro ? |
| 19:32.25 | sney | hardware performance has mostly plateaued in the past 5-10 years anyway, any computer from the whole decade is reasonably modern for most normal computing tasks. compare that to the leaps made between 2000 and 2010. |
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| 19:33.19 | naptastic | graphicsv, I do live audio, so I need the system to copy data from the sound card to user-space, my user-space software to do heavy processing on the data, and then copy the data back to the sound card, and if it's late, there are audible glitches. I normally run at 1.3ms end-to-end latency. |
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| 19:34.43 | uso | is there any option to restore the previous behavior of rmadison to list the release nicknames instead of stable/oldstable/.. ? |
| 19:36.31 | mutante | sney: when non-tech people ask for help picking a computer they always seem to say something like "just normal stuff, nothing special, just browsing ... and maybe once a year i need to edit HD video" or some other really hardware-intensive thing that changes the entire setup.. "but not very often" :) |
| 19:36.59 | graphicsv | naptastic: I didn't know you could use Linux for live audio. Interesting. |
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| 19:38.14 | sney | mutante: lol, it's true. but even for that stuff, if you've got basically anything made after 2010 and a ssd and enough ram, hd video is well within your reach. (I am typing this on a 2012-era desktop and I do occasionally use it to edit video, with no complaints) |
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| 19:43.39 | mutante | sney: true, good point |
| 19:44.23 | naptastic | graphicsv, oh yeah, it's great. I started using it in 2005, and stopped using Windows for audio work in... probably 2007? |
| 19:44.47 | naptastic | yeah, Linux can be a pain, but what I can do here is simply not possible on Windows. |
| 19:45.36 | graphicsv | naptastic: I see. Do you use LMMS? I've used a lot of FL Studio on Windows |
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| 19:54.36 | naptastic | graphicsv, no; LMMS doesn't really integrate well with anything else. I just use Ardour for everything, even if it's total overkill. |
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| 19:58.41 | Delta706 | I am trying to modify how ircd is run. I tried changing /etc/init.d/ircd-irc2 but experiments show that my mods do not work and it seems that the real action may be elsewhere. I want the service to run "ircd -p off" |
| 19:58.59 | Ashleee | cat /lib/systemd/system/ircd.service |
| 19:59.07 | Ashleee | and then read up on systemd service override :) |
| 20:00.25 | Delta706 | I need to run that cat command? |
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| 20:05.29 | naptastic | Delta706, is there an /etc/default/ircd*? |
| 20:06.36 | greycat | if catting a unit file terrifies you, you might not be ready for the part where you override one |
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| 20:11.09 | graphicsv | naptastic: Does it support VSTs? I remember using A LOT of them. I had hundreds of GBs in my computer just with orchestral VSTs |
| 20:12.27 | Delta706 | no nothing relevant in /etc/default |
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| 20:13.12 | naptastic | graphicsv, yes, though I've heard some run better than others, since WINE has to be involved. I haven't used any myself; the open-source plugins are adequate for my needs personally. |
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| 21:20.36 | p4xz | I'm trying to install a single package from testing, so I've added the testing repos to sources.list and told apt to use stable by default with APT::Default-Release "stable";, however now after apt update, apt ist trying to replace packages from buster-backports with the corresponding testing versions |
| 21:20.45 | greycat | !buster-backports |
| 21:20.45 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 21:21.30 | p4xz | How do I make it not do that? |
| 21:21.46 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:22.16 | greycat | The moral of the story is, you cannot reason with a frankendebian creator. |
| 21:22.23 | greycat | It's not even worth tryhing. |
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| 21:22.44 | p4xz | what? |
| 21:23.10 | p4xz | I'm installing the package from testing because it doesn't exist in backports |
| 21:23.15 | p4xz | is that a wrong thing to do in debian? |
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| 21:24.24 | ratrace | kinda |
| 21:24.27 | ratrace | !frankendebian |
| 21:24.27 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 21:25.49 | p4xz | it's a single package I'm installing that has no dependencies. I could see a problem if the testing package pulls more recent versions of dependencies other stable packages use, but it doesn't |
| 21:26.21 | dvs | !ssb |
| 21:26.21 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:30.04 | p4xz | this is preferable to installing the package from testing? |
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| 21:36.10 | ratrace | p4xz: yes and you can update it for security sooner than any such updates would land into testing |
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| 22:01.32 | Numero-6 | Hi all, i have make a service with systemd for test my connectivity network. At this moment i use netcat for test an wan website like nc -z -w 5 8.8.8.8 53, and a while loop. What is the better command for do that, and the most generic, netcat, ping, /dev/tcp/ ? |
| 22:01.42 | Numero-6 | wlan* |
| 22:02.26 | greycat | (they asked this in #bash and I told them to use ping) (their actual rationale was "sometimes I do not pay my bill and the cut off my Internet and I want to know when this happens") |
| 22:03.07 | sney | install monitoring_plugins and use check_tcp, and then try to consider why you aren't using nagios/icinga/etc for monitoring when reinventing the wheel with systemd is so much more work |
| 22:03.14 | sney | ,v monitoring-plugins |
| 22:03.16 | judd | Package: monitoring-plugins on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.1-1; stretch: 2.2-3; stretch-backports: 2.2-6~bpo9+1; bullseye: 2.2-6; buster: 2.2-6; sid: 2.2-6 |
| 22:03.29 | Numero-6 | greycat: yes i have lose the discussion. that no just about the paid, that my ISP is lot of instable |
| 22:04.06 | sney | look at all of those *options* https://www.monitoring-plugins.org/doc/man/check_tcp.html |
| 22:04.18 | Numero-6 | ok i do test ping -c 1 and other settings, and i look for package you say |
| 22:04.45 | sney | monitoring plugins install to /usr/lib/nagios/plugins so they will not be in your PATH, fyi. |
| 22:05.07 | Numero-6 | ok sney i look read, understand and test |
| 22:05.23 | greycat | what do you want the monitor to *do* when it detects that the internet is dead? |
| 22:05.59 | Numero-6 | greycat: i use ifupifdown, wifi, custom dns, vpn and other |
| 22:06.23 | Numero-6 | sometime i need to know at what time i can't access to network |
| 22:06.43 | Numero-6 | for look the log with this time |
| 22:07.03 | Numero-6 | so i begging to write a full servic for testing all that |
| 22:07.04 | greycat | oh, you want *logging* and shit? well, then you want a real solution, not some cobbled-together bash script |
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| 22:08.11 | Numero-6 | i have sometime feature with wpa_supplicant and other i have make one log by service so that can help for easy found what is the problem |
| 22:08.47 | Numero-6 | but i think i go use ping, because i need a generic tool for my backup and fresh install |
| 22:08.56 | greycat | you want to be able to ask your logging-monitoring thing, "for the last 24 hours, show me when the internet worked, and when it did not" -- that means you need a *real* solution, not a cobbled-together piece of crap |
| 22:09.16 | sney | so if you had a local website that showed you the service status, and maybe it sent you an email to notify you of the change, that would be good? again: nagios. |
| 22:09.33 | Numero-6 | greycat: yea that what you think, i think other lol |
| 22:09.49 | greycat | if you keep moving the goalposts, guess what I am going to do? |
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| 22:10.35 | Numero-6 | i can't explain the full project, but i have make lot of project that interesting other |
| 22:11.14 | Numero-6 | kiss you greycat :D i go testing ping and filter the output and thank sney i go look what is theses tools |
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| 22:19.03 | pasiz | Numero-6: could you explain what isp is so unstable you need to constantly monitor it? |
| 22:19.09 | pasiz | i suggest to change isp |
| 22:19.53 | sney | sometimes people can't. or sometimes national infrastructure is so bad that all of the isps suck |
| 22:20.02 | sney | monitoring is a good thing to know how to do, anyway |
| 22:22.32 | pasiz | i think monitoring is invented, no need to reinvent the wheel |
| 22:22.46 | sney | I agree which is why I said nagios something like 4 times |
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| 22:24.06 | Numero-6 | pasiz: long story, and i have look lot of thing |
| 22:24.09 | pasiz | prtg, snabbix etc |
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| 22:24.32 | mutante | Numero-6: icinga |
| 22:24.33 | pasiz | mean zabbix |
| 22:24.34 | Numero-6 | I have found one time a guy wh spawn me with desauth request |
| 22:24.40 | Numero-6 | and other and other xD |
| 22:25.04 | pasiz | then i suggest using wpa2 enterprise |
| 22:25.07 | Numero-6 | So i make lot of script for monotoring all that and no lose my time |
| 22:25.27 | Numero-6 | i use a gtk notification for see that in real time |
| 22:25.45 | pasiz | all of the solutions have monitoring and notification services |
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| 22:25.57 | Numero-6 | yup |
| 22:26.33 | pasiz | and they will bend to more than you could imagine |
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| 22:27.27 | Numero-6 | in the past i have make a 5 xterm spawns, each monotoring a service |
| 22:27.50 | Numero-6 | but i have lose the code, so i don't want rewrite, and i test other |
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| 22:35.28 | noosanon | guys, what about munin?? |
| 22:35.35 | noosanon | it's great |
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| 22:36.14 | noosanon | and it works right out of the box |
| 22:36.24 | noosanon | just install it and use it |
| 22:36.39 | noosanon | apt install munin-node and apt install munin |
| 22:36.46 | noosanon | and it just works... |
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| 22:42.31 | jhutchins | Is there a program that will check the partition table(s)? |
| 22:43.40 | jhutchins | I keep getting "Invalid Partion Table" on boot. It will continue a normal boot if I hit any key. |
| 22:45.37 | rany | if this happened all of a sudden then most likely your hard drive is failing |
| 22:45.52 | rany | you should make sure you backed up everything asap |
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| 22:47.27 | adfeno | Hi, I have one question, in "Provides" of debian/control file, which type of package is allowed? "Source" or "Package" ? |
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| 22:50.51 | rany | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#virtual-packages-provides |
| 22:51.59 | adfeno | Oh, as far as I understand, it doesn't matter, all that matters is that the name matches another one that needs to be provided. |
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| 22:58.54 | MESSIAH | Hi |
| 22:59.15 | sney | hi |
| 22:59.37 | MESSIAH | I have problem with Apache 2 |
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| 22:59.51 | MESSIAH | I can't use .htaccess and .htpasswd |
| 23:00.24 | sney | what happens when you try? |
| 23:00.33 | MESSIAH | Nothing |
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| 23:00.41 | MESSIAH | Like it's not eneble |
| 23:00.45 | rany | did you setup Override ? |
| 23:00.52 | MESSIAH | Probably not |
| 23:01.04 | MESSIAH | Where I should do that? |
| 23:01.44 | rany | in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 23:02.11 | rany | search for AllowOverride and set it to All |
| 23:03.14 | rany | (make sure you're in the right <Directory ..> though) |
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| 23:03.39 | MESSIAH | It's working |
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| 23:03.49 | MESSIAH | Thank you all |
| 23:04.06 | MESSIAH | Done kaboom \O/ |
| 23:04.35 | rany | great :) |
| 23:05.36 | noosanon | such a good OS |
| 23:05.45 | MESSIAH | I like it very much |
| 23:05.46 | noosanon | lol |
| 23:05.57 | MESSIAH | I'm with Debian about 8 years |
| 23:06.05 | noosanon | ohhh I absolutely love it |
| 23:06.08 | MESSIAH | I wish get Debian on my smartphone |
| 23:06.30 | noosanon | so stable... |
| 23:06.47 | noosanon | and no great reasource requirements |
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| 23:08.24 | MESSIAH | It's Argon2 support .htpasswd ?? |
| 23:08.55 | MESSIAH | I can't login using this but when I change to Bcrypt it's working fine |
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| 23:10.13 | sney | behold, a list: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/misc/password_encryptions.html |
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| 23:12.02 | MESSIAH | What other options are available?? |
| 23:12.17 | MESSIAH | Basic and oher is?? |
| 23:12.41 | tomreyn | scroll down |
| 23:14.48 | MESSIAH | Digest |
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| 23:14.53 | MESSIAH | OK thank you |
| 23:15.21 | MESSIAH | I need setup e-mail server for my web server |
| 23:15.34 | MESSIAH | Do someone know any good tutorial? |
| 23:16.44 | sney | this will get you going, for the most part: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-a-mail-server-using-postfix-dovecot-mysql-and-spamassassin (some package names may be different but the principles are the same) |
| 23:16.55 | sney | hosting your own email can be tiresome, though. you may want to use a hosted service instead. |
| 23:17.02 | p4xz | MESSIAH: mailcow if you want something simple that works out of the box |
| 23:17.30 | mutante | sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim -> select 'satellite system' -> enter external mail server. <the end> |
| 23:17.47 | mutante | eh, sorry, replace exim with postfix :) |
| 23:18.24 | MESSIAH | I have Postfix and Dovecot |
| 23:18.40 | sney | I've also heard good things about iredmail as a self-hosted option that makes configuration easier. |
| 23:19.11 | sney | any good email server has postfix and dovecot, but it's a lot more complicated to do properly than hosting a website. |
| 23:19.16 | mutante | don't run postfix/mysql/spamd just to have outgoing mail to the webmaster |
| 23:19.44 | MESSIAH | But I can't configure DNSSEC |
| 23:19.46 | p4xz | sney: what about opensmtpd |
| 23:20.00 | sney | there are many mtas but postfix is the best one |
| 23:20.06 | p4xz | why |
| 23:20.11 | MESSIAH | sney yes it's half automated but not supporting MYSQL |
| 23:20.30 | mutante | you only need mysql support if you have many users with actual inboxes |
| 23:21.05 | mutante | are you planning to be the mail admin for many other people? don't do it :p |
| 23:21.26 | sney | p4xz: I'm not going to die on this hill, but it's powerful and sensible and the docs are clear. I will always tell people to use what they're accustomed to, unless they're starting from 0, in which case use postfix :P |
| 23:21.59 | tomreyn | those who want to "setup e-mail server for my web server" should really create ab snto account at some managed mail service and configure their web application to use this mail account with smtp-auth, though. |
| 23:22.05 | p4xz | sney: I'm asking because I started from 0 with opensmtpd following a tutorial ^^ |
| 23:22.16 | MESSIAH | sney iRedMail not support MYSQL |
| 23:22.20 | tomreyn | snto -> SMTP |
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| 23:22.29 | p4xz | it seems to be very simple and works well for me |
| 23:23.03 | sney | MESSIAH: ok? why are you telling me |
| 23:23.18 | MESSIAH | You mentioned it before |
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| 23:23.30 | MESSIAH | I was try to use it without succes |
| 23:24.32 | MESSIAH | Someone know how to setup DNSSEC? |
| 23:24.40 | sney | I've heard good things about it but I've never tried it. glancing at their documentation page, there are a few mentions of mysql, so maybe you forgot to enable that backend or something. |
| 23:25.15 | MESSIAH | Nope I was get support from author and He said he drop support for MYSQL |
| 23:25.26 | sney | ah, well. postgres is fine too. |
| 23:25.37 | mutante | it has a "web-admin panel". that disqualifies it for me |
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| 23:26.31 | MESSIAH | After version 0.9 he decide to left MYSQL - probably money in his pocket is not satisfied |
| 23:26.46 | mutante | MESSIAH: so is it "mail for my webserver" or is it "i want to be an email provider for others? |
| 23:26.58 | MESSIAH | mutante : You can install postfix admin web panel as well |
| 23:27.03 | MESSIAH | I have it |
| 23:27.19 | MESSIAH | Only for my VHosts |
| 23:27.25 | mutante | MESSIAH: ok, but can you _not_ install it with iredmail? |
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| 23:27.43 | MESSIAH | Yes |
| 23:27.55 | MESSIAH | I don't have iredmail |
| 23:28.11 | mutante | MESSIAH: then that is all completely overkill to even worry about "mysql support" |
| 23:28.13 | MESSIAH | I have standalone Postfix + Dovecot |
| 23:28.51 | mutante | MESSIAH: do you have ANY existing email address? |
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| 23:29.14 | MESSIAH | Yes I have and I'm using it for sending e-mails to my customers |
| 23:29.22 | mutante | just tell postfix to send your mail to your existing mail server |
| 23:29.26 | MESSIAH | For my MYSQL is very important |
| 23:29.29 | mutante | then you are done |
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| 23:29.54 | mutante | with dpkg-reconfigure you can do all that in a wizard, not even editing config files |
| 23:30.01 | MESSIAH | What's gonna happened? Infinity loop? |
| 23:30.17 | MESSIAH | Yes I was do that |
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| 23:30.31 | mutante | no? the postfix MTA will do its job and _transfer_ your mail |
| 23:30.34 | mutante | to where it should go |
| 23:30.50 | MESSIAH | I found good tutorial with lot of information |
| 23:31.03 | mutante | gives up |
| 23:31.58 | mutante | MESSIAH: it's literally a single command line.. but if you really want to follow tutorials just for fun then that's another story. good luck |
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| 23:33.31 | MESSIAH | mutante You need follow tutorial or your e-mails will be rejected |
| 23:34.03 | sney | I'm assuming there's some part of the puzzle that #debian isn't privy to. |
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| 23:34.32 | sney | MESSIAH: have fun setting up an email server, and be extra careful with dovecot's auth config |
| 23:34.35 | MESSIAH | If you just install Postfix + Dovecot you need set it up because lot of receivers will missed your e-mails |
| 23:35.17 | p4xz | the rest is really just dns txt records nad setting your server's hostname |
| 23:35.30 | p4xz | and making sure your ip isn't on a blacklist for some reason |
| 23:35.42 | MESSIAH | I was lot of fun to set up emails for VHosts |
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| 23:35.54 | sney | email is a publicly networked system, and 90% of the time, there is some other mta that you can reach and use as a smarthost so that you don't have to admin one yourself. but there are always exceptions. and there's no downside to knowing more about how email works, anyway |
| 23:36.39 | petn-randall | Handling email properly is a *lot* more complex than running a web server, IMHO. |
| 23:37.14 | sney | it is way more complicated and there are way more places where it can go horribly wrong |
| 23:37.55 | MESSIAH | petn-randall yes it's true. I see sometimes strange action |
| 23:38.11 | sney | the note about dovecot auth was from experience - there is an imap option that was a best practice once upon a time, until it became a security hole that botnets could use to send email from your users |
| 23:38.47 | MESSIAH | Why nobody make e-mail easier? |
| 23:38.51 | MESSIAH | Like a web chat |
| 23:39.15 | sney | many have tried, but smtp keeps outliving them |
| 23:39.18 | MESSIAH | Should be simple settings and simple installation |
| 23:39.54 | MESSIAH | I hope this will change fast |
| 23:40.17 | sney | you think that at first, but the actual requirements for sending messages to anyone, anywhere on the internet, quickly get more complicated than you'd think |
| 23:41.34 | MESSIAH | To much spammers around and before you get e-mail server working you will spend lot of weeks to trying fix simple errors |
| 23:42.04 | sney | and none of the big sexy startups will ever succeed in replacing email because it's a necessary service. any lasting replacement for smtp cannot be profitable. so here we are, lol :) |
| 23:42.23 | mutante | MESSIAH: lol, this is why several people have been telling you that it's not a good idea. now you say this yourself |
| 23:43.47 | MESSIAH | Personally if you have business and selling using your own shop you should keep e-mails with you no on others e-mail providers |
| 23:44.18 | sney | there are definitely good security reasons for doing it that way. |
| 23:44.22 | MESSIAH | Most of companies scan e-mails etc |
| 23:44.45 | sney | I'm not going to tell you not to host an email server, just be aware, there be dragons |
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| 23:44.52 | MESSIAH | So if you have similar shop to ebay then you will be easier target for them |
| 23:45.15 | mutante | MESSIAH: you came in here saying "it's just for the webserver" and now it is "run your own ebay". that is completely different |
| 23:45.33 | mutante | but i see the point about wanting to control your own mail. that's fair |
| 23:46.04 | mutante | you can use Protonmail instead of Google though, f.e. |
| 23:46.36 | MESSIAH | I can bet google use some scripts to scan e-mails of some merchant companies |
| 23:46.57 | annadane | he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy. |
| 23:47.04 | sney | at some point you always have to trust that x or y provider is being honest when they say that they aren't looking at your stuff |
| 23:47.16 | MESSIAH | How you can make a business where you are watched |
| 23:47.31 | graphicsv | Debian keeps warning me about newer kernel available. How can I fix it? |
| 23:47.47 | mutante | MESSIAH: encrypt your mail with GPG |
| 23:47.49 | sney | graphicsv: consider yourself warned, and ignore the message? |
| 23:48.35 | petn-randall | graphicsv: "warning" you? Where does it say that? Maybe you running one of those update notifiers, so you likely need to just install all updates. |
| 23:48.58 | annadane | and also what release are you on? stable, testing? |
| 23:49.01 | MESSIAH | mutante yes you can do that on your server but if you use google? |
| 23:49.07 | mutante | MESSIAH: at least you can use a mail provider where the business model is not based on reading your mail, basically. so that means paying for it |
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| 23:49.15 | annadane | but what petn-randall said is closer to the point, make sure you're fully updated |
| 23:49.24 | sney | graphicsv: debian has a very strict package version policy, so for your custom kernel, you may need to change the version string so that apt can tell it is "newer" than the one in buster/buster-bpo. |
| 23:49.49 | graphicsv | petn-randall: ` Newer kernel available. The currently running kernel version is 4.19.134-ryzen which is not the expected kernel version 5.8.0-rc6-ryzen. Restarting the system to load the new kernel will not be handled automatically, so you should consider rebooting.` |
| 23:50.16 | graphicsv | Maybe I should just uninstall these bleeding edge versions and stick to tweaked `4.19.134-ryzen` |
| 23:50.27 | sney | graphicsv: that sounds like you have the 5.8 kernel installed but not running. uninstall the package if you don't want it |
| 23:50.54 | mutante | MESSIAH: if you worry about privacy i would not use Google. But if you want Google and still encrypt you can use https://flowcrypt.com/ |
| 23:51.13 | graphicsv | mutante: What's wrong with Google? |
| 23:51.22 | sney | prism, mainly |
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| 23:52.07 | noosanon | lololol. everything graphicsv... |
| 23:52.16 | MESSIAH | graphicsv If you are just normal user than don't worry about Google of course if you not sending illegal pictures |
| 23:52.17 | noosanon | google is evil |
| 23:52.19 | noosanon | lol |
| 23:52.22 | sney | !offtopic |
| 23:52.22 | mutante | graphicsv: MESSIAH said he does not want his mail provider to be able to read his mail but Google is a free service so basically the business model is to read all the mail |
| 23:52.22 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:52.31 | graphicsv | I use Google and Google Photos and Google Drive, Docs, Mail so on |
| 23:52.57 | sney | I also use a lot of google services, but it's informed usage I guess |
| 23:53.06 | graphicsv | What'd be the alternative? I love Google Mail :'( |
| 23:53.10 | MESSIAH | graphicsv But if you are rising business trader than you will be on aim |
| 23:53.26 | mutante | Google will not add "Easy GPG" because then they can't read it. Hence "FlowCrypt" is done by a third party. FlowCrypt works great though. |
| 23:53.38 | MESSIAH | Did someone heard about last ebay action? |
| 23:53.44 | mutante | graphicsv: protonmail for example |
| 23:54.00 | sney | MESSIAH: that goes for you too, try to keep this conversation debian-usage related |
| 23:54.50 | graphicsv | sney is right. But I'd like to keep this conversation elsewhere. #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 23:55.29 | annadane | or fastmail, given some of protonmail's general distrust |
| 23:55.57 | MESSIAH | graphicsv I'm in |
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