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| 00:33.30 | ozzloy | how do i add a wifi to the list of known wifis? i'm setting up a video chat laptop for my grampa. i know is AP and WPA password, but not how to add it when i'm not currently able to connect to it. |
| 00:33.56 | ozzloy | i'm not at his place. i plan on setting up the laptop and dropping it off with him |
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| 00:43.20 | sney | ozzloy: if you set it up with /etc/network/interfaces you can hardcode the ssid/key transparently. network-manager applets (at least the one for kde) allow you to manually add a ssid and key manually when out of the ap's range as well |
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| 00:46.35 | tomreyn | nm-connection-editor lets you add a connection with custom BSSID + password, |
| 00:47.04 | tomreyn | "nmcli c", too |
| 00:48.33 | genr8_ | how many more times are we gonna change the user facing networking APIs ? |
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| 00:48.38 | ax562 | hello |
| 00:48.47 | ax562 | fresh install of debian 10 |
| 00:48.56 | ax562 | I think my apt is broken |
| 00:48.57 | genr8_ | congrats |
| 00:48.58 | ax562 | https://pastebin.com/9i7424ei |
| 00:49.05 | ax562 | any ideas? |
| 00:49.14 | ax562 | I'm a debian super noob |
| 00:49.40 | dvs | !tell ax562 about buster sources.list |
| 00:49.58 | annadane | 1) do not use ubuntu PPAs |
| 00:50.13 | annadane | 2) remove the cd rom entries in the sources.list |
| 00:50.26 | ax562 | how? |
| 00:50.26 | ozzloy | i don't have BSSID and i doubt i can get it from my grampa over the phone |
| 00:50.36 | ozzloy | i have SSID though |
| 00:50.45 | annadane | or i guess you probably used synaptic |
| 00:50.46 | ozzloy | sney, tomreyn, thanks! |
| 00:50.51 | annadane | if you have to ask that |
| 00:51.09 | ax562 | good god |
| 00:51.40 | genr8_ | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:51.45 | ax562 | yes |
| 00:52.08 | ax562 | and just remove "cdrom" from "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.4.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20200509-10:26]/ buster contri$" |
| 00:52.09 | genr8_ | the CDrom thing is a known quirk. thats ignorable |
| 00:52.19 | genr8_ | no, just put a # in front of that whole line |
| 00:52.24 | ax562 | oh ok |
| 00:52.51 | genr8_ | but the more troublesome thing is that now you've removed all actual debian repos |
| 00:53.30 | tomreyn | apt is fast now, though |
| 00:54.11 | ax562 | so how can I make this work lol |
| 00:54.34 | ozzloy | sney, tomreyn, it appears to have added the wifi. does this just modify the file /etc/network/interfaces ? or is there some other file where this info is stored? |
| 00:54.52 | ozzloy | this is actually a pretty neat device. just open it up and *bam* video chat |
| 00:54.59 | sney | ozzloy: network-manager has its own database of settings somewhere |
| 00:55.03 | genr8_ | probably stored in the /etc/networkmanager .connection profiles |
| 00:55.26 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.32 | ozzloy | considers grepping for ESSID on / |
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| 00:55.40 | ozzloy | oh? |
| 00:55.44 | tomreyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.51 | ozzloy | checks |
| 00:55.52 | tomreyn | oh i'm late |
| 00:56.15 | tomreyn | those which are not system (wide) connections are in gesettings, though, i think |
| 00:56.40 | ozzloy | oh hey! |
| 00:56.50 | ozzloy | that's awesome. this might come in handy at some point |
| 00:57.03 | ozzloy | thanks sney, genr8_, tomreyn |
| 00:57.14 | tomreyn | * GSettings or GeeeeeSettings, or hey, gnome finally got a windows registry, too. |
| 00:57.44 | ozzloy | i dislike NetworkSettings camel case |
| 00:57.52 | ozzloy | all lowercase all the time! |
| 00:58.09 | ozzloy | and another thing! tabs are better than spaces! |
| 00:58.31 | genr8_ | all of the above things just mentioned are blasphemy and should have never been allowed in debian |
| 00:58.36 | ax562 | dvs TY! |
| 00:58.41 | dvs | np |
| 00:59.26 | genr8_ | i feel like the Ubuntu devs started corrupting Debian upstream so life would be easier for them |
| 01:00.43 | ax562 | lol |
| 01:01.08 | ozzloy | i would understand if i got kicked |
| 01:01.23 | ozzloy | (tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment is better still) |
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| 01:01.45 | ozzloy | ((even better than strictly tabs, that is)) |
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| 01:03.30 | genr8_ | no i meant it the other way. you're right. |
| 01:03.48 | ozzloy | ah, got it |
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| 01:04.06 | genr8_ | the tabs and spaces argument will continue till the end of time |
| 01:04.12 | ozzloy | oh, an exception is lisp, where indentation is just done the right way |
| 01:04.16 | longears | Hmm. Debating if I can just do `chmod 600 /etc/rsyslog.d/*` or if it's going to cause problems, considering that all the files are owned by `root:root`. |
| 01:04.53 | ozzloy | what are you wishing to do by chmodding 600? |
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| 01:05.01 | ozzloy | what's the higher level goal? |
| 01:05.26 | longears | Just add some "security" and hide some config files in there. |
| 01:05.56 | genr8_ | chmod 600 alone will solve nothing |
| 01:06.38 | longears | I mean from other users on the system. I have some definitions of remote servers in there. If root can see and edit, it's fine. Just thinking about everyone else. |
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| 01:06.54 | genr8_ | oh. then yea. |
| 01:07.11 | ax562 | now I get this https://pastebin.com/YMhApWY7 |
| 01:07.47 | genr8_ | you have errors in your file |
| 01:08.28 | ax562 | yes, how can I fix |
| 01:08.29 | genr8_ | the main repo should look like this: |
| 01:08.30 | genr8_ | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib |
| 01:08.34 | dvs | ax562, paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:08.58 | dvs | https:? that works? |
| 01:10.24 | genr8_ | sorta. if you add apt-transport-https package, and not on the security repo |
| 01:10.24 | ax562 | I just copied what dpkg told me to lol |
| 01:10.24 | ax562 | k |
| 01:10.24 | genr8_ | sorry i forgot i had done that |
| 01:10.32 | dvs | ax562, if you did it would have worked. |
| 01:13.16 | ax562 | https://pastebin.com/qhyPjnnt |
| 01:13.16 | ax562 | dvs see pastebin |
| 01:13.16 | genr8_ | you pasted badly. Line 21 |
| 01:13.17 | dvs | ax562, that looks like 2 lines, not three |
| 01:13.17 | genr8_ | that line was cut off by your editor being too small. see the end $ |
| 01:13.17 | genr8_ | and yea |
| 01:13.17 | genr8_ | line 21 just got mangled |
| 01:13.18 | ax562 | good god |
| 01:13.18 | genr8_ | he should have 3 lines. debian buster main , debian-security buster/updates, debian buster-updates |
| 01:13.18 | genr8_ | nm. my abbreviations arent gonna help him if hes clueless |
| 01:13.58 | ax562 | lol not clueless just text probably not copying right im using nano |
| 01:15.12 | genr8_ | https://pastebin.com/rqQYbnK5 |
| 01:16.44 | ozzloy | hmm.. when the computer returns from suspend, i have to hit space bar to clear the lock screen. what needs to happen so merely opening up the laptop (and not then hitting the spacebar) goes back into the desktop? |
| 01:17.17 | ozzloy | i want to put a sign on the back of the laptop "open for video chat" |
| 01:17.33 | ax562 | genr8_ ty! I think that finally did it lol |
| 01:17.41 | genr8_ | good |
| 01:17.43 | genr8_ | idk, but its called the "lid switch" though if googling that helps |
| 01:17.54 | ozzloy | it's very close |
| 01:18.00 | ax562 | I used nano but the text didn't copy correctly from the dpkg messenger |
| 01:18.40 | ax562 | I think there might be a syntax error or nano didn't paste correctly |
| 01:19.02 | ax562 | I have to admit, this has been the hardes OS install EVER |
| 01:19.44 | ax562 | I didn't have internet connection when installed, which might be the culprit |
| 01:19.47 | genr8_ | idk what you managed to do to mess up the file. it should come correctly |
| 01:19.53 | genr8_ | maybe |
| 01:20.04 | ax562 | I think so |
| 01:21.00 | ax562 | where is the default file where I can add my custom func again? |
| 01:21.04 | ax562 | .bashrc? |
| 01:21.16 | genr8_ | yep |
| 01:21.21 | ax562 | ok ty |
| 01:22.32 | ax562 | where does .bashrc live in debian? In ubuntu it's in the home dir. Should I just create one? |
| 01:23.42 | ax562 | nm ls didn't see it |
| 01:23.43 | ax562 | ls -la |
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| 01:25.19 | genr8_ | one of the first things i do is this: alias ls='ls -al --color=auto' |
| 01:26.04 | ax562 | ty |
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| 01:29.17 | ax562 | ok, settling in now...ooof finally |
| 01:29.38 | ax562 | btw TY to everyone that make debian possible and for all the help :) |
| 01:29.56 | dvs | np |
| 01:33.34 | ax562 | genr8 once I add "alias ls='ls -al --color=auto'" to .bashrc I would have to logout and back in for it to take effect righty |
| 01:33.48 | ax562 | genr8_ |
| 01:34.24 | genr8_ | yes, but not necessarily |
| 01:34.28 | genr8_ | you can do ". .bashrc" |
| 01:34.33 | genr8_ | or "source .bashrc" |
| 01:35.05 | ozzloy | or alias ls='ls -al --color=auto' |
| 01:35.25 | dvs | ozzloy, but that's temporar |
| 01:35.26 | dvs | y |
| 01:35.42 | ozzloy | that will work in the current terminal, but you'll have to do it again in every terminal you open until you log out and back in |
| 01:35.56 | ozzloy | assuming you've updated .bashrc with that line |
| 01:36.11 | ozzloy | dvs, source .bashrc is also temporary |
| 01:36.25 | ozzloy | at least as much as running alias ls='ls -al --color=auto' is |
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| 01:38.23 | ax562 | fyi I think if someone install debian without internet access, they will be in trouble like me lol |
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| 01:39.11 | ax562 | i thought going the debiandisk1.iso install would have taken no internet into account |
| 01:40.02 | ax562 | real talk, debian is noticeably smoother than ubunto 20.04 lts |
| 01:40.03 | genr8_ | maybe the mirror setup got messed up |
| 01:40.13 | genr8_ | less bloat |
| 01:40.21 | ozzloy | tastes great! |
| 01:40.25 | ax562 | well, I had no internet so there wasn't any mirrors |
| 01:40.44 | ax562 | and I thought ubuntu was efficient...wow |
| 01:40.58 | genr8_ | it should have still added the primary debian.org one. seems wrong that it didnt |
| 01:41.18 | genr8_ | thanks for reporting it i guess |
| 01:41.42 | dvs | genr8_, the DVD iso only adds the DVD image, not the online ones |
| 01:41.46 | ax562 | yes, the original pastebin I posted was my stock after fresh install |
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| 01:45.12 | genr8_ | ok this reminds me of an issue. When you mount the CDROM so apt works with cdrom entries, as soon as you run an apt-get install command, it auto-unmounts |
| 01:45.40 | genr8_ | that is so freaking annoying to me, i have to keep mounting the same shit on every time i install a package. how can i stop that ? |
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| 01:46.54 | ozzloy | i'm curious about the spelling of "ubuntu". it has "u" and no other vowel. i noticed it was just spelled "ubunto". i have noticed a lot of misspellings involving different vowels (eg. "ubanto"). i wonder what's up with that. anyone have guesses? |
| 01:47.07 | genr8_ | lol |
| 01:47.51 | ozzloy | i wonder if there's a name for this phenomononmnnomnom |
| 01:48.00 | genr8_ | its caused by them not knowing how to pronounce it in their head |
| 01:48.08 | genr8_ | so when they re-type it back, it comes back out with various vowels |
| 01:48.24 | genr8_ | probably due to foreign language, or some learning disability, who knows. |
| 01:49.12 | genr8_ | they arent typing from written memory, they're typing from auditory memory. and theirs is faulty. |
| 01:49.20 | ozzloy | i doubt both of those explanations. i've seen it from native english speakers who are neurotypical |
| 01:49.36 | ozzloy | the auditory thing sounds more plausible |
| 01:50.06 | ozzloy | oo boon too |
| 01:50.15 | alexandros_c | good day, is there a way to install lxdm without installing lxde? |
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| 01:50.47 | ozzloy | oo boon toe |
| 01:50.57 | ozzloy | oo ban toe |
| 01:51.18 | genr8_ | alexandros_c, yes, why are you having an issue ? |
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| 01:52.04 | genr8_ | apt-get install lxdm just worked fine for me, and it installed only 1 package. |
| 01:52.14 | genr8_ | Recommended packages: lxde-common |
| 01:52.21 | genr8_ | maybe you're auto-installing the recommended ones ? |
| 01:52.40 | alexandros_c | genr8_, yes, i am having an issue with lightdm. How do you do it? |
| 01:52.53 | genr8_ | wait thats another issue |
| 01:53.29 | genr8_ | lightdm and lxdm can co-exist, and the "alterntives" setup handles the choice |
| 01:53.56 | genr8_ | you just run the install lxdm command and it asks you hey, pick which one... |
| 01:54.28 | alexandros_c | genr8_, when I try to install it pulls lxde |
| 01:54.40 | genr8_ | maybe you're auto-installing the recommended ones ? |
| 01:56.01 | genr8_ | apt-get install lxdm --no-install-recommends |
| 01:56.43 | genr8_ | I must have disabled that early on |
| 01:57.13 | alexandros_c | thanks genr8_ , that was the problem |
| 01:57.20 | genr8_ | k cool |
| 01:57.22 | alexandros_c | but it does not say that it is pull recommended |
| 01:57.46 | alexandros_c | how can you change this default behaviour? |
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| 02:00.04 | genr8_ | look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic for APT::Install-Recommends "true"; , comment it out with #, and add APT::Install-Recommends 0; |
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| 02:00.38 | alexandros_c | thanks. |
| 02:00.39 | genr8_ | then it will say: Stuff Recommended: xxxx , when you install stuff. |
| 02:01.17 | genr8_ | and you can install it manually if necessary |
| 02:02.45 | alexandros_c | genr8_, I have a usb mic it works on other distros but it only shows up in debian but I can get it to work? you have any ideas? thanks |
| 02:03.48 | genr8_ | could be due to udev rules (USB devices need to be declared by a ID #, before they can be used by non-root), and if its a weird device, it may not be in the predefined list |
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| 02:04.13 | genr8_ | thats as much as i know |
| 02:04.25 | alexandros_c | how to check that out? |
| 02:05.00 | genr8_ | idk, start with this https://wiki.debian.org/udev |
| 02:05.54 | genr8_ | it requires finding out the ID # and the /dev path, then figuring out if a rule already exists, and if not, adding one |
| 02:05.59 | ozzloy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfzXPJ_VCtU pronouncing "ubuntu" |
| 02:06.39 | alexandros_c | thanks genr8_ |
| 02:06.45 | alexandros_c | you are the best |
| 02:06.50 | genr8_ | yw |
| 02:07.32 | genr8_ | ozzloy, yea its definitely ooboontoo. i still call it youbuntoo tbh :P |
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| 02:07.53 | ozzloy | youbuntube |
| 02:08.08 | ozzloy | video sharing website for linux screencasts |
| 02:08.22 | ozzloy | (idk if it exists, just made me think of that) |
| 02:08.30 | genr8_ | that may be a viable idea |
| 02:08.53 | ozzloy | possibly. possibly sued to oblivion for trademark violations |
| 02:08.55 | genr8_ | we could all probably learn a lot if we watched other ppl linuxing... maybe even some advanced ubuntu users |
| 02:09.02 | genr8_ | you think ? |
| 02:09.15 | genr8_ | nah not if its spelled the way you did |
| 02:09.39 | ozzloy | i think there's at least enough of a case to be made to bring a suit |
| 02:10.13 | genr8_ | youbuntoobe |
| 02:10.18 | genr8_ | toob |
| 02:10.38 | ozzloy | maybe there exists already some linux screencast site |
| 02:10.47 | ozzloy | or even channel on youtube |
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| 02:12.36 | ozzloy | hmm.. i'm only getting search results about how to screencast, not a repository of screencasts |
| 02:13.56 | genr8_ | you're gonna have to start it |
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| 02:14.42 | genr8_ | it could even just be a website with a known list of twitch streams |
| 02:15.10 | ozzloy | i know a lot of twitch streams! some of them are even linux related! |
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| 02:16.24 | ozzloy | huh, it just occured to me that creating a screencast about screencasting software might be a little difficult |
| 02:17.35 | genr8_ | the worst thing you will get is recursive images showing up in the OBS preview window |
| 02:18.10 | ozzloy | that would make the resulting video confusing to watch |
| 02:18.10 | genr8_ | or you can have multi monitors and multi instances |
| 02:18.40 | genr8_ | then youd need an external capture device and another PC :P |
| 02:18.43 | ozzloy | oh, can you have multiple obs sessions at once? |
| 02:18.56 | genr8_ | i havent tried |
| 02:18.59 | ozzloy | mabye run obs and record a vm with obs in it |
| 02:19.11 | genr8_ | yeah i just launched two |
| 02:19.21 | ozzloy | sweet |
| 02:19.51 | ozzloy | i suppose i could have just tried that |
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| 02:20.12 | genr8_ | OBS is pretty freaking good on linux |
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| 02:20.36 | ozzloy | oh, it doesn't work for me. trying to run it again goes back to the window i already have open |
| 02:20.47 | ozzloy | how did you do it? |
| 02:20.55 | genr8_ | maybe i enabled a checkbox in the options ? |
| 02:21.05 | ozzloy | oh, it works if i run it from the command line |
| 02:21.37 | ozzloy | instead of activities launcher thing (idk what it's called. it comes up when i hit super) |
| 02:23.35 | genr8_ | idk, i think that could just be down to your dekstop environment. just worked when launched from XFCE for me |
| 02:23.57 | ozzloy | i'm using gnome |
| 02:23.58 | genr8_ | theres no checkbox option for multiple instances, i just looked |
| 02:24.22 | ozzloy | default debian |
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| 02:24.28 | genr8_ | maybe holding shift when launching it? idk |
| 02:25.02 | genr8_ | it probably tries to combine programs by default, idk how it does it |
| 02:25.07 | ozzloy | i'll just use command line if i make videos about making videos in obs with obs |
| 02:25.23 | genr8_ | yea that will do it |
| 02:25.26 | ozzloy | yo dawg |
| 02:25.32 | nvz | dpkg, obs |
| 02:25.32 | dpkg | nvz: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:25.45 | ozzloy | heh |
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| 02:26.12 | nvz | wth are you all even talkin about? |
| 02:26.32 | ozzloy | obs-studio |
| 02:26.41 | ozzloy | dpkg, obs-studio |
| 02:26.41 | dpkg | no idea, ozzloy |
| 02:26.45 | nvz | something proprietary? |
| 02:26.56 | nvz | ,i obs-studio |
| 02:27.04 | ozzloy | apt show obs-studio |
| 02:27.15 | ozzloy | not proprietary |
| 02:27.19 | nvz | just did that.. as you see.. no response :P |
| 02:27.25 | ax562 | I was tryihg to install apt-fast in debian. I was using this example https://vitux.com/how-to-speed-up-package-downloads-and-updates-with-apt-fast-on-debian/ |
| 02:27.45 | jmcnaught | judd is missing |
| 02:27.53 | nvz | ah |
| 02:28.01 | ozzloy | nvz, it works for me. try obsproject.com |
| 02:28.35 | ax562 | I get this error when I run update https://pastebin.com/Sbg8vR5w |
| 02:28.38 | ozzloy | ah OBS = open broadcaster software |
| 02:28.44 | nvz | ah I may have to look into it sometime.. I been just using vokoscreen and various other lil gadgets |
| 02:28.45 | ax562 | any suggestions? |
| 02:29.09 | ozzloy | ax562, what is apt-fast helping you do? |
| 02:29.10 | nvz | like screenkey or keymon |
| 02:29.32 | genr8_ | ax562, IPv6 address not found. |
| 02:30.03 | ax562 | ozzloy I have a shotty internet connection . It helps me by running apt-fast and not restarting connections or losing because of shotty internet |
| 02:30.19 | ozzloy | ax562, oh bummer |
| 02:30.43 | genr8_ | looks like that IPv6 address is blocked. could be due to your bad internet ? |
| 02:30.49 | ax562 | apt works most times but if file is large it will timeout and restart, basically never install |
| 02:30.49 | apt | okay, ax562 |
| 02:30.53 | dvs | ax562, you're mixing Debian and Ubuntu. No, those .deb files are NOT interchangable |
| 02:30.57 | ax562 | apt-fast helps fix this problem |
| 02:31.05 | ax562 | dvs oh ok |
| 02:31.13 | ozzloy | but at least it's aiding you with a real issue you have |
| 02:31.21 | ax562 | I thought .deb was universal for both systems |
| 02:31.33 | ozzloy | ax562, ah, that's a hard no |
| 02:31.34 | dvs | no, they're not |
| 02:31.42 | ax562 | crap |
| 02:31.49 | ozzloy | how boned are you? |
| 02:31.57 | dvs | ax562, just like there are .zip files for Windows and Linux. |
| 02:31.57 | ax562 | boned? |
| 02:32.09 | genr8_ | "apt-fast is a shell script wrapper for apt-get " |
| 02:32.12 | ozzloy | how bad is the situation now? |
| 02:32.19 | genr8_ | sounds like not very. just get the shell script :) |
| 02:32.23 | ax562 | yeah, I thought since it was .deb they could be installed on deb system |
| 02:32.40 | genr8_ | Look, debian instructions: https://github.com/ilikenwf/apt-fast |
| 02:32.41 | ozzloy | i'm wondering if you already "installed" some .debs |
| 02:33.01 | ax562 | genr8_ oh snaps.TY |
| 02:33.23 | ax562 | ozzloy we all aren't as gifted as you |
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| 02:33.56 | ozzloy | oh, sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending. i've been in exactly the same situation |
| 02:34.02 | genr8_ | eh, these instructions just say to use the same PPA :/ |
| 02:34.11 | genr8_ | i guess its ok if its just a shell script ? |
| 02:35.04 | ax562 | it doesn't work |
| 02:35.20 | ax562 | well let me try with these instructions lol |
| 02:35.24 | ozzloy | if it's just a shell script, maybe you can grab the shell script |
| 02:35.30 | ax562 | i was using a different site |
| 02:35.33 | genr8_ | theres some kind of IPv6 error on your end |
| 02:35.49 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.56 | genr8_ | that means it cant even find the server |
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| 02:36.24 | genr8_ | actually no, thats not what that means |
| 02:36.39 | genr8_ | it means you wrote "groovy" but theres no groovy, its "bionic" |
| 02:36.41 | cybercrypto | http 404 means file not found on server side, not 'server not found' |
| 02:37.04 | genr8_ | look, theres no "groovy" here http://ppa.launchpad.net/apt-fast/stable/ubuntu/dists/ |
| 02:37.49 | genr8_ | i wonder why the debian instructions are all the way back on bionic |
| 02:39.01 | genr8_ | try "focal" |
| 02:41.15 | ax562 | genr8_ that first link to the apt-fast git worked |
| 02:41.29 | genr8_ | ok |
| 02:41.36 | ax562 | now I have to remove what I did with that other site lol |
| 02:41.54 | ax562 | actually, it works, im cool lol |
| 02:42.48 | ax562 | wow, ok, now I'm good :) |
| 02:42.58 | ax562 | 4.75 hours :p |
| 02:43.14 | ax562 | have to learn and start somewhere |
| 02:43.20 | genr8_ | hold on tho |
| 02:43.38 | ax562 | apt-fast works but I still get the warning when I update |
| 02:43.39 | genr8_ | you already have a lot of stuff on the DVD_1 , but we had you remove it from apt |
| 02:43.49 | genr8_ | what warning |
| 02:44.05 | ax562 | https://pastebin.com/Sbg8vR5w |
| 02:44.18 | ax562 | about installing insecure packages |
| 02:44.51 | genr8_ | you left the wrong "groovy" line in the file... |
| 02:45.26 | genr8_ | i just said, theres no such location in that repo as groovy, thats why its a 404 |
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| 02:46.18 | genr8_ | if your internet connection is that slow, you're also gonna wanna re-add the DVD (cdrom) to the file |
| 02:46.38 | genr8_ | and make sure it finds it and works before trying to pull everything remotely |
| 02:46.45 | ax562 | genr8_ I'm good now |
| 02:47.08 | ax562 | I ran "sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:apt-fast/stable" |
| 02:48.23 | ax562 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.41 | ax562 | with deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apt-fast/stable/ubuntu bionic main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/apt-fast/stable/ubuntu bionic main |
| 02:48.49 | ax562 | i'm good now...ugh. |
| 02:48.52 | genr8_ | k |
| 02:49.23 | ax562 | brb |
| 02:50.14 | genr8_ | i still think you dont understand the seriousness of downloading 4.5 hours worth of stuff, when half of it is probably already on the DVD-1 you have |
| 02:50.33 | genr8_ | you could spend an hour to get that working again and save 2 |
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| 03:42.59 | genr8_ | I think i fixed my annoying issue where my apt-cdrom mountpoint kept unmounting. I think I just had to add it to fstab |
| 03:44.15 | genr8_ | apt-get update still gives me dumb errors about the cdrom entry though. |
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| 04:02.39 | ozzloy | if anyone has a suggestion of how to get rid of the spacebar thing when opening the laptop, that would be much appreciated |
| 04:03.13 | ozzloy | wake from suspend requires hitting spacebar or enter |
| 04:03.23 | ozzloy | at least right now |
| 04:03.36 | ozzloy | this is for my grampa who is getting quite old |
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| 04:03.55 | ozzloy | so it really is worth lowering that barrier |
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| 04:11.57 | Derlg | ozzloy: so how do you want it to wake? |
| 04:12.00 | Derlg | powerkey? |
| 04:16.13 | genr8_ | hes using a laptop, closing the lid suspends it, opening the lid unsuspends it, but the screen is still off (requiring to hit the spacebar) |
| 04:17.35 | genr8_ | gnome probably has some power management options to control "blanking the screen" |
| 04:17.53 | genr8_ | dpms blanking |
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| 04:18.07 | genr8_ | gnome-power-manager |
| 04:19.22 | genr8_ | https://ptspts.blogspot.com/2009/10/screen-blanking-dpms-screen-saver.html |
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| 04:24.01 | genr8_ | that page lists the X11 settings relevant for that, but gnome's power manager overrides it i believe |
| 04:24.38 | mlxprojects | Hi all! I'm trying to run Debian on an ARM device using the Android kernel with some modifications (VT and framebuffer console enabled, for example). The problem is that, after showing the Tux logo and probing (successfully) the framebuffer, the screen fills with garbage and reboots; here is a kernel panic. |
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| 04:45.33 | ozzloy | it's not blank screen |
| 04:45.40 | ozzloy | it's a ... like a waiting screen |
| 04:46.03 | ozzloy | if a password is set, then when you hit spacebar it gives a password prompt |
| 04:46.30 | ozzloy | it's actively displaying at the point where you hit space or enter |
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| 04:57.36 | jim | hi all, can I start networking in single user mode? I want to install a backup package, and do a backup |
| 04:58.18 | sney | yup, ifupdown works normally in single user |
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| 05:00.34 | ozzloy | Derlg, thanks for your thoughts |
| 05:01.13 | ozzloy | Derlg, right now the power key turns it on. i'd like for my grampa to open the laptop to start video chat, and close it to stop video chat |
| 05:01.34 | ozzloy | right now he would need to open the laptop, then hit space or enter |
| 05:01.46 | ozzloy | which is good, but could be better |
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| 05:06.16 | uso | I can start an X server from the console with startx, but not anymore with xinit. startx is only a shell script, a wrapper around xinit, as far as I understand it. What is the difference that startx has the permission to start an X server, but not xinit? |
| 05:08.14 | jim | isn't startx a wrapper around xinit? so, wouldn't startx be running xinit? |
| 05:08.55 | jim | could it be an xinit configuration file? |
| 05:09.19 | uso | jim: yes, that's my question, why does the start succeed with startx, but fails when I run xinit directly (with a permission denied failure). |
| 05:09.45 | jim | what permission is being denied? |
| 05:10.31 | uso | cannot open /dev/tty0 |
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| 05:15.01 | jim | tty0? hmm, could you: ls -l /dev/tty0 |
| 05:15.19 | Wings | Hi guys... trying to follow https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSpamAssassin but getting "warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/spool/postfix/spamass/spamass.sock: No such file or directory" |
| 05:17.34 | Wings | I've checked that the various services are enabled and that that socket exists |
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| 05:21.26 | evilbug | how come debian ended up being the nicest distro? |
| 05:23.22 | Portland | evilbug: less mission creep |
| 05:23.26 | genr8_ | lots of nerds, less noobs, very old, large community, focus on vetting stable packages and actually testing things before its released |
| 05:23.32 | jim | evilbug, attention to detail? |
| 05:23.51 | genr8_ | it might not be the best but its close |
| 05:24.12 | evilbug | :D |
| 05:24.51 | genr8_ | i decided i gotta learn as many distros that have a chance of being good as possible. otherwise i'll never really know whats best. everyone has a different mentality |
| 05:25.43 | genr8_ | i spent a ton of years ignoring linux and hoping it would sort itself out. it didnt. it just got more splintered |
| 05:26.01 | evilbug | as far as i've seen in the past 10+ years is that it's either debian or cent. arch if you don't have anything else to do other than troubleshoot. |
| 05:26.06 | Arahael | In that case, don't forget to try really unique distros, such as ElementaryOS, NixOS, etc. |
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| 05:26.19 | evilbug | genr8_: yooo just noticed it's you. |
| 05:26.38 | genr8_ | yea thats what i mean, i have joined multiple rooms :) |
| 05:26.50 | genr8_ | IRC channels* |
| 05:28.37 | evilbug | i've tried ubuntu, arch, suse, and gentoo but never as a main os. ubuntu ended up being my main dev vm but then i decided to just go to deb. |
| 05:28.38 | genr8_ | i'll figure out the best distro by using IRC :P |
| 05:28.47 | evilbug | been on deb for the past 5 years. |
| 05:30.57 | evilbug | genr8_: so what's your deb and freebsd separation? |
| 05:31.59 | orange_romeda | i read biella coleman's book 'coding freedom' and that lead me to Debian and linux in general. I'm still basically a n00b though. |
| 05:33.12 | evilbug | it's nice that spotify also has a native deb option. |
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| 05:35.14 | genr8_ | i run debian on desktop, freeBSD on my server at home, and debian on cloud servers |
| 05:35.35 | evilbug | genr8_: why not bsd on cloud? |
| 05:36.07 | genr8_ | cause i need it to work with packages and not deal with an undocumented mess |
| 05:37.17 | genr8_ | i suppose it could work but i just know debian way better |
| 05:38.30 | evilbug | ok, i hear ya. |
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| 05:41.57 | evilbug | debian is the unix option i'm most familiar with as well. |
| 05:42.46 | ozzloy | america is mexico's canada |
| 05:42.58 | ozzloy | sorry, usa is mexico's canada |
| 05:43.02 | ozzloy | geographically |
| 05:43.50 | evilbug | america is the best planet in the universe. |
| 05:44.03 | ozzloy | so is mountain deww! |
| 05:44.17 | genr8_ | look up USMCA trade deal |
| 05:45.25 | genr8_ | that reminds me, i bought mountain dew then forgot to drink it or make dinner |
| 05:45.29 | genr8_ | brb |
| 05:46.08 | evilbug | genr8_: nice one. have yourself a bourbon. |
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| 06:08.10 | genr8_ | i would but i dont enjoy alcohol. the mountain dew will have to do |
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| 06:09.05 | SpeedyG | Code red? :D |
| 06:09.21 | ozzloy | i also do not enjoy alcohol. however, i do like being drunk with friends from time to time. so when i drink, i drink to get drunk. so i have hard liquor only |
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| 06:12.48 | genr8_ | plain green. i heard they came out with a new 50 flavors mountain dew for MURICA. but im suspicious of it lol. my friend said it tasted chemicaly |
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| 06:13.33 | SpeedyG | never liked the green ones.. had code red several times when I was in the US but learned they discontinued it (at least for europe :( ) |
| 06:13.56 | genr8_ | I know im gonna get told to go into the offtopic channel so im just gonna go ahead and do that now. |
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| 06:14.24 | SpeedyG | haha.. oh right... time to get some coffee and get back on topic :) sorry ppl :) |
| 06:29.00 | bochku | Hi, I'm getting weird kernel messages. |
| 06:29.19 | bochku | "usb 1-4: unexpected tiny rx frame" |
| 06:29.51 | bochku | and then the cpu is kinda heating up |
| 06:30.12 | bochku | what on earth may the problem be?? |
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| 06:44.19 | bochku | no one ?? |
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| 06:49.52 | bochku | :( |
| 06:49.54 | bochku | ok |
| 06:53.05 | ozzloy | bochku, bummer :( |
| 06:53.46 | bochku | :/ |
| 06:54.46 | bochku | does anyone know what usb 1-4 even refers to? seems like the bluetooth. It stopped commplaining when I turned off the bluetooth, and everything cooled down |
| 06:54.59 | ozzloy | bochku, i'm thinking something about lsusb dmesg something something |
| 06:55.14 | ozzloy | you have a usb dongle? |
| 06:55.27 | bochku | no not really |
| 06:55.49 | ozzloy | your bluetooth is maybe connected via usb, on the inside |
| 06:55.57 | ozzloy | inside the computer frame |
| 06:56.07 | ozzloy | case ... whatever |
| 06:56.38 | bochku | yeah that's what I thought |
| 06:56.50 | ozzloy | check the output of lsusb |
| 06:56.52 | ozzloy | paste it somewhere |
| 06:57.16 | bochku | ywah wait |
| 06:57.29 | ozzloy | this is the limit of my knowledge, i think. it's at this point i would hop on to irc and ask for help |
| 06:58.02 | bochku | http://ix.io/1GiP |
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| 06:59.06 | ozzloy | what about dmesg? |
| 06:59.30 | ozzloy | hahahahahaha the favicon |
| 06:59.32 | ozzloy | that's great |
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| 07:03.41 | bochku | http://ix.io/1GqO |
| 07:03.55 | bochku | dmesg output this |
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| 07:05.14 | ozzloy | https://www.google.com/search?q=unexpected+tiny+rx+frame this shows some people complaining about similar things |
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| 07:25.04 | bochku | ozzloy: I saw the thing but I don't understand the exact problem... |
| 07:25.16 | bochku | am I missing a driver or something? |
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| 07:57.15 | genr8_ | find out what bluetooth card you have and look it up |
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| 09:54.41 | mniip | can I/how do I install a package without adding it to the manually installed list? so that it can be removed by autoremove |
| 09:56.00 | quadrathoch2 | sudo apt install <package>, sudo apt-mark auto <package> mniip |
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| 10:22.50 | mniip | hmm that's not right |
| 10:23.55 | quadrathoch2 | so what doesn't work for you? mniip |
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| 10:26.28 | root1337 | Hi |
| 10:26.38 | mniip | quadrathoch2, that has the consequence that if the package has already been installed, and it has been manually installed, it will be marked as auto now |
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| 10:27.09 | quadrathoch2 | mniip well you were asking how to mark the package as autoinstalled oO? |
| 10:27.26 | mniip | I used different wording ;) |
| 10:27.38 | mniip | without marking it as manual |
| 10:27.59 | quadrathoch2 | well you just remove the manual marking afterwards, as there is no way to do it the way you want it |
| 10:28.11 | mniip | that's alright then |
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| 10:31.19 | mniip | if [ -z "$(apt-mark showmanual "$pkg")" ]; then apt-get install "$pkg" && apt-mark auto "$pkg"; fi |
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| 13:06.43 | kreyren | How do i check wether apt can install 'nano' ? i.e wether apt has fetched the repository for ti |
| 13:07.30 | kreyren | from `apt list nano` ? |
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| 13:08.13 | annadane | apt policy nano |
| 13:08.23 | annadane | but uh... unless something is very wrong you should be able to |
| 13:09.44 | kreyren | annadane, i meant on system that never invoked `apt update` before? |
| 13:10.01 | kreyren | or like fresh installation through debootstrap that doesn't have synced repos |
| 13:10.13 | annadane | yes, apt policy nano, if you see a version number in 'candidate' it's installable |
| 13:11.35 | kreyren | annadane, i need to do it in posix sh so ideally something that returns something implementable |
| 13:11.51 | kreyren | should mensioned that and is sorry~ |
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| 13:14.13 | annadane | btw, given your tendency to run... interesting deviations of debian, you should know nano is typically installed by default on a debian system |
| 13:16.58 | kreyren | annadane, this is for enforced apt function http://ix.io/2qGO |
| 13:17.07 | kreyren | so that apt doesn't call apt update when it's not needed (for privacy reasons) |
| 13:17.30 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren with no database you can't look up stuff kreyren smh |
| 13:17.48 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, How do i check that there is no database |
| 13:18.09 | kreyren | no database -> apt not synced? |
| 13:18.16 | quadrathoch2 | what privacy issues are you trying to solve? |
| 13:18.33 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, pinging apt repositories when you don't need to update apt to install package |
| 13:18.54 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren apt policy never updates the database? |
| 13:18.59 | kreyren | also saves around 5 seconds on average |
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| 13:19.05 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, eh? |
| 13:19.40 | ratrace | kreyren: apt doesn't call update on its own, eg through install or upgrade |
| 13:19.44 | quadrathoch2 | what is there not to understand. apt policy <package> will never invoke apt update |
| 13:20.09 | kreyren | ratrace, that's what i am trying to avoid (apt failure to install package because it needs apt update) |
| 13:20.24 | quadrathoch2 | ... no comment... let's move on |
| 13:20.25 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, eh? how is that relevant? |
| 13:20.26 | ratrace | kreyren: in fact, that's somewhat wrong, there may be apt crons that do nightly updates but I don't think they're installed by default, except through things like gnome (via unattended-upgrades or somesuch) |
| 13:20.50 | ratrace | kreyren: if a package changes eg version since your last update, apt install will fail |
| 13:21.08 | ratrace | but I fail to see the point of using apt install that reaches out to the network, and not allowing update to do that |
| 13:21.09 | kreyren | ratrace, so i have to always invoke apt update to ensure that apt install doesn't fail? |
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| 13:21.15 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren so tell me how can apt know about a package, if you never created a database with installable packages |
| 13:21.39 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, it doesn't have to, but i need to know that there is no database to invoke apt update through code logic |
| 13:21.55 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, makes sense? |
| 13:22.39 | kreyren | like checking for apt lists or something? |
| 13:22.42 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren as I said, apt never invokes apt update. So where is your issue? |
| 13:22.43 | ratrace | kreyren: well you can call update if an install fails due to missing package that should be there |
| 13:23.06 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, this is for wrapper function that is expected to invoke apt update if apt needs it to install package |
| 13:23.20 | kreyren | ratrace, is there an exit code for that? |
| 13:23.27 | ratrace | I don't know, check the manpages. |
| 13:23.40 | ratrace | kreyren: but what's the reason to avoid update, if you're running an install? |
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| 13:23.49 | quadrathoch2 | ratrace 'privacy issues' |
| 13:24.04 | kreyren | ratrace, `man apt{-get,}` doesn't have exit codes |
| 13:24.11 | ratrace | and how are those.... privacy issues.... avoided when apt reaches out to the net to "install"? |
| 13:24.19 | quadrathoch2 | idk |
| 13:24.19 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, 'privacy reasons' != 'privacy issues' |
| 13:24.26 | quadrathoch2 | that's what I am trying to understand |
| 13:24.46 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren, hope you are better in english than me, as it's not my first language |
| 13:24.50 | kreyren | ratrace, it can be avoided for example if nano is already cached on the system |
| 13:25.06 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, o.o |
| 13:25.20 | ratrace | kreyren: then apt install won't fail |
| 13:25.22 | quadrathoch2 | sorry for typing the wrong word |
| 13:25.30 | kreyren | ratrace, wat |
| 13:25.53 | kreyren | ah |
| 13:25.54 | ratrace | kreyren: if you update once, and populate your /var/cache/apt with packages, and the db doesn't change by an explicit update, it can exist like that forever |
| 13:26.21 | ratrace | if you run "apt install foo" and foo exists in the cache, at the version that your apt DB expects it, it won't fail |
| 13:26.39 | quadrathoch2 | I am still wondering why we help kreyren as he doesn't use debian |
| 13:26.45 | ratrace | so, technically, in theory, it's possible to prefetch the db and cache and never go out online to fetch an install again |
| 13:26.48 | kreyren | ratrace, so if there is a /var/cache/apt/nano.. then apt can install it? and /var/cache/apt is fetched by 'apt-get update' ? |
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| 13:27.14 | ratrace | kreyren: no, by apt-get (note: apt-get vs. apt (that won't cache packages)) |
| 13:27.34 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, i use debian, that doesn't mean that i can't make scripts that work on other kernels and distributions, see GNU platforms philosophy |
| 13:27.44 | ratrace | apt update refreshes the databases at I _think_ /var/lib/apt |
| 13:27.51 | kreyren | ratrace, ah i see |
| 13:28.39 | ratrace | kreyren: however in light of your tor usage elsewere talked in another chan few days ago, note that you can use apt proxy somewhere.... for "privacy reasons" |
| 13:29.21 | ratrace | also: https://support.torproject.org/apt/apt-over-tor/ |
| 13:29.31 | kreyren | ratrace, that's also expected but not a concern atm i just want to avoid invoking `apt{,-get} update` where possible |
| 13:29.51 | ratrace | kreyren: in normal operations that's unsupported |
| 13:30.02 | ratrace | (that == running apt without an up to date database) |
| 13:30.15 | kreyren | ratrace, afaik not unsupported assuming package apt-transport-tor being a thing |
| 13:30.25 | kreyren | ratrace, ah i see |
| 13:30.32 | ratrace | you can do it once for first update, prefetch the cache somehow, but over time versions will change and your local db will deteriorate |
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| 13:30.46 | kreyren | noted this is just to save those 5 seconds and in case the end-user is privacy concerned for X Y Z reasons |
| 13:31.08 | kreyren | ratrace, both `apt{,-get} update` creates files in /var/lib/cache/apt/* so that can be used for logic ^-^ |
| 13:31.14 | ratrace | then they should use apt over tor or an own apt proxy |
| 13:31.23 | ratrace | that's the _correct_ way to solve this problem |
| 13:31.56 | kreyren | ratrace, that won't solve those <5 seconds that apt takes to finish 'apt update' though |
| 13:32.11 | kreyren | and my scripts are usually finished under 3 seconds so this is painful to wait for |
| 13:32.27 | ratrace | and those measly 5 seconds are justifying your hyper-over-engineering this..... how? :) |
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| 13:32.56 | ratrace | you can update once per day, or once per week even, or wait until a package fails and then re-update the apt db |
| 13:33.03 | kreyren | ratrace, 5 seconds is a long time you know :p |
| 13:33.17 | kreyren | ratrace, i don't have the authority to enforce best practices on end-user's systems |
| 13:33.23 | ratrace | you've waste 27 so far thinking about saving 5 |
| 13:33.30 | ratrace | 27*60 I mean :) |
| 13:33.35 | ratrace | *SO FAR* |
| 13:33.37 | kreyren | ratrace, worth it! |
| 13:34.05 | ratrace | kreyren: your end user systems can then cron apt updates during the downtime and it won't bother them through the day |
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| 13:34.08 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren btw, I get you to some degree about privacy, but then why having a realname in irc? |
| 13:34.20 | ratrace | ie. you lose 5 seconds per each 86400 |
| 13:34.34 | ratrace | you've wasted 28*60 SO FAR, thinking about saving 5 |
| 13:34.48 | kreyren | ratrace, so that end-users don't have to waste 5 seconds of their life ^-^ |
| 13:35.02 | kreyren | everytime my function is called, because perfectionist |
| 13:35.08 | ratrace | you do realize how ridiculous and stupid that sounds, right? |
| 13:35.21 | kreyren | ratrace, i am ridiculous and stupid, so yes |
| 13:35.38 | ratrace | shrugs |
| 13:35.51 | kreyren | thank you ^-^ |
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| 13:38.19 | kreyren | ratrace, Can you even call yourself a developer if you don't chase nanoseconds of efficiency? :p |
| 13:41.34 | ratrace | I'm not chasing nanoseconds of efficiency if I'll spend orders of magnitude more time to do so |
| 13:41.57 | ratrace | relevant https://xkcd.com/1319/ |
| 13:42.00 | JPT | Unless your requirements actually state timing conditions for your code, you should care about literally everything else first. E.g. documentation, readability and maintainability, ... |
| 13:43.20 | JPT | I recall a student project i was working on, and - while we were still figuring out what we actually wanted to do - i already had to stop other people thinking about performance. |
| 13:43.37 | themill | FTR much of the work I do atm is about nanosecond timing and the priorities are still documentation, readability and maintainability. |
| 13:43.44 | ratrace | premature optimizations usually plagues novice developers |
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| 13:44.49 | ratrace | you've wasted 40*60 seconds now, trying to save 5 for each 86400; that means your effort will pay off after 480 days, if you stop NOW |
| 13:45.24 | ratrace | after 40 more minutes of chasing this, your efforts will pay off after 2.63 years.... |
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| 13:48.18 | zeroed | Hello, I would like to know the difference between systemd-resolved and resolvconf (similarly as the difference between systemd-networkd and networking) because I would like to understand if they can / should / must be running at the same time on a system. Thank you in advance. |
| 13:50.10 | ratrace | zeroed: systemd-resolved is a stub resolver; resolvconf is a framework that sets up resolv.conf from multiple sources |
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| 13:50.38 | ratrace | resolv.conf contains information, among other things, which resolver to use for nss by default |
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| 13:51.00 | ratrace | *nsswitch |
| 13:51.55 | ratrace | I think systemd-resolved is making resolvconf obsolete in a way, but in theory they can coexist because they have different roles. |
| 13:52.53 | ratrace | as for systemd-networkd vs networking(.service, which on debian by default uses ifupdown ie interfaces(5) framework) , they're two mechanisms with the same role: to set up networking, and can't really operate at the same time |
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| 13:55.19 | zeroed | ratrace: Thank you so much. This makes totally sense. I had the same feeling (not so clearly expressed as you did) and I was indeed looking for confirmation especially about the coesistence. |
| 13:56.48 | zeroed | I think I stumbled upon a confused situation where too many "network" services were installed and I got confused myself. |
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| 13:58.48 | ratrace | they can coexist on disk (and do, systemd-networkd is present on debian even if it uses ifupdown) but can't operate at the same time, at least not on the same NICs |
| 13:59.17 | zeroed | Yup, I see. |
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| 14:37.09 | graphicsv | Ok. I found out the problem with aufs. aufs-dkms is conflicting with pristine kernel aufs - How can I mitigate this? Should I just not patch my pristine kernel with it or just leave it? This is the error I'm getting: https://termbin.com/0kkt |
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| 14:37.51 | d3vnull | Hey guys, Debian's usermod wont add my user to the sudoers group |
| 14:37.54 | d3vnull | is this a bug? |
| 14:38.03 | graphicsv | `apt-file list aufs-dkms` outputs https://termbin.com/9k32. So aufs-4.19+20190211 is Debian's native aufs-dkms package, which is in conflict with the one that comes with my pristine kernel. |
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| 14:39.04 | quadrathoch2 | d3vnull what is the command? as it should |
| 14:39.44 | d3vnull | usermod -aG sudo username |
| 14:39.47 | d3vnull | as root |
| 14:39.54 | d3vnull | doesnt work. |
| 14:39.54 | quadrathoch2 | d3vnull did you relogin? |
| 14:40.07 | d3vnull | relogin? |
| 14:40.20 | graphicsv | d3vnull: Try `sudo usermod` |
| 14:41.08 | graphicsv | d3vnull: or `sudo su` and then `usermod` |
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| 14:41.13 | d3vnull | i think im just gonna install ubuntu |
| 14:41.17 | d3vnull | debian is clearly broken |
| 14:41.30 | graphicsv | d3vnull: What is broken? |
| 14:41.30 | quadrathoch2 | d3vnull so how come it works here? |
| 14:41.34 | d3vnull | if it cant even add a sudoer to a fuckin file. |
| 14:41.36 | themill | Or you could ask questions and troll less. |
| 14:41.51 | d3vnull | re-login? is this fuckin windows? |
| 14:41.58 | graphicsv | d3vnull: Did you try the command I mentioned? |
| 14:41.59 | d3vnull | might as well ask me to reboot. |
| 14:42.13 | themill | d3vnull: group membership is defined at boot. welcome to unix. |
| 14:42.23 | themill | (that's no different in ubuntu) |
| 14:42.28 | d3vnull | stop shilling Debian on the internet guys. this is dinosaur tech. |
| 14:42.30 | themill | s/boot/login/ |
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| 14:42.47 | quadrathoch2 | d3vnull if you say so, go back to ubuntu which is based on debian smh |
| 14:43.21 | graphicsv | Don't you dare compare Ubuntu with Debian. Debian is the father of all distros. It's the only distro that simply works and it's reliable |
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| 14:45.52 | dvs | "all" is a bit of a 'stretch'. lol |
| 14:46.31 | ax562 | mornning |
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| 14:49.52 | ax562 | dvs you sir take the trophy for the best nick :) |
| 14:51.01 | graphicsv | dvs: It's just the truth |
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| 14:51.59 | dvs | ax562, it used to be "nvs" but someone already had a very similar nick |
| 14:52.11 | annadane | distros based on debian, yes, which is rather a lot, but not all |
| 14:52.41 | dvs | graphicsv, tell that to Red Hat. |
| 14:52.46 | ax562 | graphicsv lol |
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| 14:53.29 | ax562 | So what compatibility if any do Debian and Ubuntu share? |
| 14:53.58 | ratrace | majority of packages are from sid |
| 14:54.00 | quadrathoch2 | they share a lot, but there are also a lot of differences, but too many to talk about it ;) |
| 14:54.03 | ax562 | I honestly thought .deb packages were universal in .deb supported distros :| |
| 14:54.09 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 nope |
| 14:54.24 | dvs | nope |
| 14:54.34 | themill | A storage format does not make for compatibility of contents. |
| 14:54.38 | ax562 | so .deb is an apt thing right |
| 14:54.48 | graphicsv | I find dpkg too complex |
| 14:55.03 | dvs | ax562, .deb is a dpkg thing. apt is more of a support program |
| 14:55.12 | ax562 | oh ok my bad |
| 14:55.43 | ax562 | well, looks like I'm going to be learning a lot :) |
| 14:55.55 | ax562 | hopefully lol |
| 14:57.05 | quadrathoch2 | i would rather say apt is a frontend for dpkg, shrug |
| 14:57.24 | dvs | <dvs> ax562, just like there are .zip files for Windows and Linux. |
| 14:57.50 | ax562 | quadrathoch2 i like that comparison |
| 14:58.12 | ax562 | what is the recommened was to install nvidia drivers? |
| 14:58.20 | annadane | you're meant to use apt as main package management, not dpkg |
| 14:58.31 | annadane | ax562, install nvidia-detect and run it and install the one it tells you to |
| 14:58.38 | annadane | make sure you have contrib non-free in your sources.list |
| 14:58.44 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:58.47 | dvs | ax562, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:58.52 | annadane | or that |
| 14:59.08 | annadane | if you're on optimus, well, that gets a bit trickier |
| 14:59.56 | ax562 | thanks guys/gals! |
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| 15:03.58 | ax562 | dang I have 2 graphics cards...Optimus |
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| 15:05.58 | annadane | i think https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee is what you want? |
| 15:08.33 | ax562 | What happens when my gpu is not in http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/optimus/supported-gpus ? |
| 15:13.03 | ax562 | Let me rephrase that, What would be the best method of installing gpu drivers for this setup? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K4000M] [10de:11bd] (rev a1) |
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| 15:14.27 | quadrathoch2 | do you need the intel igpu? |
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| 15:15.41 | ax562 | no |
| 15:18.07 | quadrathoch2 | maybe there is an option to just disable the igpu in the bios, if not, there should be a way in linux |
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| 15:19.03 | ax562 | I'm starting to download this https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/153717/en-us |
| 15:19.29 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 it is advised to just use the driver in the debian repo |
| 15:19.50 | ax562 | quadrathoch2 I have tripple boot system, not trying to break others, so I cannot disable in bios |
| 15:20.15 | ax562 | driver is not present in debian repo |
| 15:20.51 | ax562 | btw PROPS to everyone involved with Buster..my machine is flying :P |
| 15:22.23 | quadrathoch2 | https://packages.debian.org/buster/nvidia-driver ax562? |
| 15:22.42 | quadrathoch2 | it's even the same driver version ax562 |
| 15:23.02 | ax562 | wait what? |
| 15:23.29 | quadrathoch2 | and btw, with installing the sh from nvidia directly, you would have an unsupported debian system ;) |
| 15:23.43 | ax562 | I apt-cache search and didn't come up with anything |
| 15:23.55 | ax562 | ok cool |
| 15:23.58 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 did you enable contrib non-free repositories? |
| 15:24.48 | ax562 | I honestly didn't really know what I was getting into with Debian. I thought .deb packages were universal, so I was like hey, lets' try debian, I already have a bunch of ubuntu .deb pakages |
| 15:24.56 | ax562 | no |
| 15:25.02 | ax562 | let me do that |
| 15:26.18 | ax562 | done |
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| 15:26.55 | BuzzardBuzz | I have a Hyper-V VM install of Deb10 - it worked fine for many months as a Next Cloud webserver - Now it boot up to a busy box and does not respond to keyboard inputs - is there a way to fix it back to working again or is it best to just reinstall debian 10 again? |
| 15:27.14 | quadrathoch2 | you would need to apt update to find the new packages ax562 :) |
| 15:27.49 | ax562 | yes |
| 15:27.50 | quadrathoch2 | BuzzardBuzz that sounds it's a windows bug, maybe try ##windows |
| 15:28.14 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 installing and rebooting should be enough |
| 15:28.19 | ax562 | what comes after noob? |
| 15:28.39 | quadrathoch2 | hm? |
| 15:28.46 | ax562 | I think my skills have upgraded from noob to ..... |
| 15:28.47 | BuzzardBuzz | Okay so the best is to just reinstall the Hyper-V deb 10 again then |
| 15:28.54 | ax562 | novice? in linux |
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| 15:29.39 | BuzzardBuzz | Is that what you recommend? |
| 15:30.18 | quadrathoch2 | idk, as we are a debian support channel not windows. and btw, debian uses the windows kernel, so i'm pretty sure it's a windows bug |
| 15:30.23 | ax562 | ok, now I have nvidia-detect |
| 15:30.26 | quadrathoch2 | (on wsl) |
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| 15:30.40 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 I thought you installed nvidia-driver |
| 15:30.59 | ax562 | nah, I couldn't find because I hadn't enabled non free reepos |
| 15:31.02 | BuzzardBuzz | I did not install any video driver |
| 15:31.03 | ax562 | doing now |
| 15:31.17 | ax562 | BuzzardBuzz he's talking to me |
| 15:31.22 | BuzzardBuzz | My bad |
| 15:31.51 | quadrathoch2 | BuzzardBuzz as I said, make sure, it's not a windows bug in ##windows (right click -> join) |
| 15:31.53 | ax562 | you good |
| 15:32.04 | BuzzardBuzz | I just want my Deb 10 to be fixed |
| 15:32.10 | ax562 | haha |
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| 15:32.16 | ax562 | that's what everyone said |
| 15:32.22 | kreyren | How do i make debootstrap to generate a tarbal ? |
| 15:32.39 | kreyren | it generates just a directory with userland by default and the documentation confused me~ |
| 15:32.53 | quadrathoch2 | man debootstrap kreyren |
| 15:33.01 | quadrathoch2 | come on, you know the drill |
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| 15:33.05 | quadrathoch2 | first search yourself |
| 15:33.11 | kreyren | > kand the documentation confused me~ -- quadrathoch2, |
| 15:33.44 | quadrathoch2 | please what? |
| 15:34.01 | kreyren | this is in help : --make-tarball=T download .debs and create a gzipped tarball |
| 15:34.08 | kreyren | which contradicts the documentation |
| 15:34.22 | kreyren | https://i.imgur.com/8dK4k2q.png |
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| 15:35.49 | kreyren | since the command expects a 'T' which i understood being a 'Target' ? |
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| 15:36.07 | kreyren | -> Outdated manpage and updated command to do different thing now? |
| 15:36.28 | quadrathoch2 | idk what you are talking about, I just tested it, and it works. so it has to be on your end |
| 15:36.36 | kreyren | i see O.o |
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| 15:38.14 | Pr0metheus | Is it possible to mount read/write a ufs2 partition? |
| 15:38.38 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, seems to work, thanks ^-^ |
| 15:39.56 | quadrathoch2 | Pr0metheus it should work |
| 15:41.14 | ax562 | Who's getting that covid vaccination? or is that way off topic lol |
| 15:41.22 | kreyren | What is the recommended way to remove files generated by debootstrap? i am using 'rm -rf path' which generates: rm: cannot remove 'tarbals/debian/proc/7900/task/7912/sessionid': Operation not permitted' |
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| 15:41.47 | Pr0metheus | quadrathoch2 : I put this in fstab: /dev/sde1 /mnt/Other ufs ufstype=ufs2,user,rw,exec 0 2 but mounts read only |
| 15:41.50 | kreyren | ax562, none should be getting it in that early stage, but that's #covid-19 |
| 15:41.55 | quadrathoch2 | oO the directory is normally removed after debootstrapping |
| 15:42.07 | quadrathoch2 | ax562 that's OT so #debian-offtopic |
| 15:42.11 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, this is not normal setup :p |
| 15:42.20 | ax562 | ok |
| 15:42.28 | quadrathoch2 | kreyren I know, that's why I cringe every time I answer you |
| 15:42.38 | kreyren | quadrathoch2, yay ^-^ |
| 15:42.39 | themill | kreyren: debootstrap is not generating anything that has proc in it |
| 15:42.40 | ax562 | It's just scary that a billionaire is trying to vaccinate the planet |
| 15:42.49 | kreyren | themill, it does on me end |
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| 15:43.00 | themill | kreyren: then ask the people you got this debootstrap from |
| 15:43.45 | kreyren | themill, i am asking the people i got this debootstrap from |
| 15:43.56 | kreyren | the minbase seems to generate proc |
| 15:44.05 | themill | nope |
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| 15:44.43 | kreyren | is compiling debian/stable to prove his point then~ |
| 15:44.53 | annadane | "your end" is probably some frankendebian thing |
| 15:45.02 | annadane | you need to specify this... |
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| 15:45.17 | kreyren | annadane, my end is debian without systemd~ |
| 15:45.25 | themill | kreyren: the fact that you need to add that last line indicates, once again, that you should not be asking things in #debian |
| 15:46.31 | quadrathoch2 | I am still wondered why kreyren is not outright banned/autosilenced. As we know he will never be here with a normal debian setup |
| 15:46.49 | kreyren | it's as normal as it gets!~ |
| 15:47.17 | kreyren | but i think my logic in a script is wrong because this is called from a script~ |
| 15:47.44 | themill | which leaves us back with deboostrap not touching /proc and you making stuff up. again. |
| 15:48.03 | kreyren | themill, checking.. |
| 15:48.18 | kreyren | takes a long time to build a system that i didn't touch and i didn't cache that process yet >.> |
| 15:48.18 | themill | Any thoughts about why #debian is bored of this? |
| 15:48.46 | kreyren | themill, because debian is turning into a darwin den about to ban users who mess with four freedom respecting software~ |
| 15:48.53 | annadane | ....... |
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| 15:49.05 | annadane | first of all piss off the the ~, secondly go away |
| 15:49.08 | annadane | with the* |
| 15:49.14 | kreyren | fair enough >.> |
| 15:49.41 | themill | kreyren: no, it's bored with people making up nonsense and not even doing the slightest amount of debugging before claiming it's everyone else's fault |
| 15:49.56 | quadrathoch2 | just create your own distro and leave us alone in our totalitarian distribution :p |
| 15:50.02 | kreyren | themill, i woudn't have to do this if debian worked by default without systemd.. |
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| 15:50.20 | themill | it does |
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| 15:52.07 | annadane | so kreyren has the wherewithal to research all of his "special sauce" debian stuff but not to research that you actually can use it without systemd |
| 15:52.17 | annadane | perhaps not as smooth, but to not even be aware of the possibility? |
| 15:52.51 | annadane | unless he meant "but not as well as with systemd because systemd has effectively taken over the ecosystem", but then again it's kreyren and he could mean anything |
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| 15:54.36 | quadrathoch2 | and there is still devuan, which support systemdless debian even better than debian |
| 15:55.04 | annadane | and he probably wouldn't even use stock devuan |
| 15:55.11 | annadane | he'd probably embellish it with 9 other components |
| 15:55.21 | annadane | WHY ARE PEOPLE. |
| 15:55.24 | themill | (let's not let the timewaster waste even more of our time) |
| 15:55.30 | annadane | yeah i'm done too |
| 15:56.42 | graphicsv | Debian is the top nicest distro. I think Gentoo is my second favorite distro. |
| 15:57.01 | graphicsv | Gentoo is kind of a LFS with a package manager |
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| 15:58.06 | cfoch | hi |
| 15:58.16 | cfoch | is there some guide that is more updated than https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-support/709 ? |
| 15:58.18 | cfoch | sorry |
| 15:58.53 | cfoch | than https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf * |
| 15:59.19 | annadane | hmm that seems pretty recent to me |
| 15:59.22 | annadane | i can check though |
| 16:00.16 | annadane | i think that's basically the latest, the !nmg factoid points to that |
| 16:01.00 | annadane | !nmg |
| 16:01.01 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 16:03.23 | annadane | cfoch, btw for further questions you can ask #debian-mentors for packages meant for inclusion in debian or #packaging (both on the irc.oftc.net network) for packages for self-use |
| 16:03.40 | annadane | the lintian package among others, can also help you |
| 16:07.19 | annadane | and devscripts, but presumably all this is mentioned in the guides |
| 16:07.38 | jak2000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.29 | ax562 | how long does debian support buster? |
| 16:09.55 | graphicsv | ax562: At least a decade |
| 16:10.09 | annadane | 2 years of full support, then 1 year of full support after bullseye gets released (next summer sometime), then long term support for more server packages |
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| 16:10.40 | annadane | (so 3 years of support for everything then lts for selected packages) |
| 16:10.58 | graphicsv | I can't wait to get Plasma LTS |
| 16:11.11 | ax562 | oh ok because i'm seeing "Stretch" is available |
| 16:11.31 | annadane | it is, but if you have no particular reason to still use it you should use debian 10 buster |
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| 16:11.52 | ax562 | well, what are the benifits |
| 16:12.02 | ax562 | I honestly didn't know stretch existed |
| 16:12.17 | ax562 | It looks like that version has longer support? |
| 16:12.24 | annadane | well, you get security support for all packages, like i said, lts (which stretch is now under) doesn't get full support for every package |
| 16:12.33 | annadane | plus newer packages generally |
| 16:12.56 | ax562 | hmm |
| 16:12.57 | annadane | see also https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 16:12.59 | ax562 | interesting |
| 16:13.15 | RoyK | ,v mediawiki |
| 16:13.16 | judd | Package: mediawiki on amd64 -- stretch: 1:1.27.7-1~deb9u3; stretch-security: 1:1.27.7-1~deb9u3; stretch-backports: 1:1.31.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:1.31.7-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 1:1.31.7-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:1.31.8-1; sid: 1:1.31.8-1 |
| 16:13.40 | annadane | dpkg, releasecycle is <reply> https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 16:13.41 | dpkg | okay, annadane |
| 16:14.07 | quadrathoch2 | graphicsv then you would need to wait forever, as the Qt Company ceased LTS releases (for opensource) |
| 16:14.23 | graphicsv | quadrathoch2: What? Why? |
| 16:15.11 | quadrathoch2 | graphicsv money |
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| 16:15.46 | ax562 | dolphin emu in repo!!! yes!!! |
| 16:16.08 | ax562 | dolphin-emu >>>>>> gamecube :p |
| 16:17.53 | annadane | jak2000, YMMV but there's https://linuxize.com/post/install-java-on-debian-10/ though one should be cautious about adding third party repositories on debian; you can switch the default with update-alternatives --config java; this may not be the best answer, but it's what i can find right now |
| 16:18.20 | jak2000 | annadane thanks |
| 16:18.26 | Pr0metheus | Guys any idea why I get this: mount: /mnt/Other: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only. <---in debian website it points to kernel and there it says ufs2 supports r/w (https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ufs.txt) |
| 16:18.28 | annadane | although for anything specific you need to run i would suppose you can specify the java version for that specific application |
| 16:18.29 | jak2000 | other question, how to remove completly all java ? |
| 16:18.33 | annadane | as opposed to messing around with defaults |
| 16:18.55 | annadane | see what's installed via dpkg -l *jdk* *jre* and just remove them |
| 16:19.24 | annadane | i suppose it's also possible to compile java and do it that way, re: your question about java 8 |
| 16:19.31 | ax562 | I noticed that when I install any package using apt I get "libdvd-pkg: Checking orig.tar integrity.../usr/src/libdvd-pkg/libdvdcss_1.4.2.orig.tar.bz2: OKlibdvd-pkg: `apt-get check` failed, you may have broken packages. Aborting..." |
| 16:19.34 | ax562 | is this normal? |
| 16:19.38 | annadane | though that's probably not great from a security standpoint |
| 16:21.22 | annadane | unless debian has a java manager (like virtualenv's allow you to use different python versions) i'm not aware of |
| 16:21.24 | annadane | it probably does |
| 16:21.28 | annadane | and if it does you should use that |
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| 16:27.19 | jim | I want to back up my new laptop, after wiping windows completely and installing linux, can I start wireless networking in single user mode? |
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| 16:31.11 | frunks | jim, yes you can, but why single user mode? |
| 16:31.22 | ax562 | jim sup man? |
| 16:34.00 | annadane | jak2000, there is also https://packages.debian.org/buster/java-common |
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| 16:37.08 | annadane | jak2000, also make sure the reason you need java 8 isn't because some piece of software you're trying to use says "requires java 8" because that can easily mean "requires at least java 8" when java 11 will work fine |
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| 16:38.10 | jim | frunks, because I want my disk to be unchanging (meaning, services not running, etc) when I back up |
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| 16:38.25 | jak2000 | annadane not work glassfish on java 11 |
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| 16:43.04 | jak2000 | annadane: https://paste.debian.net/1157861/ |
| 16:44.47 | annadane | okay, so if you wanted to remove all java versions you have installed then remove the stuff that says 'ii' next to it |
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| 16:44.58 | jak2000 | how to delete? |
| 16:45.01 | jak2000 | UNINSTALL |
| 16:45.06 | annadane | apt remove <package> |
| 16:45.09 | jak2000 | sorry for caps. |
| 16:45.33 | jak2000 | ii? |
| 16:45.35 | annadane | so for example apt remove default-jdk default-jre && apt autoremove (that should be enough possibly) |
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| 16:45.40 | annadane | yes ii means it's installed |
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| 16:45.55 | jak2000 | ok understand |
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| 17:10.15 | jim | can I start the nm daemon in single user mode? |
| 17:13.46 | jim | ok, I think I did it |
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| 17:37.02 | SanchoPensa | Hey guys! |
| 17:37.28 | SanchoPensa | I would kindly like to ask you for assistance with the following rather unsettling issue: |
| 17:38.26 | SanchoPensa | I recently discovered some unexplicable network traffic: I run a router with port forwarding, yet still I keep getting traffic FROM and TO my computer on a port, that isn't even remotely forwarded. |
| 17:39.13 | SanchoPensa | nethogs tells me, the PID of the process is "?" and the owner of the process is root. Which of course gives special reason for concern |
| 17:40.06 | annadane | no idea, but may be time for a reinstall, sadly |
| 17:40.14 | annadane | others can answer more specifically of course |
| 17:40.17 | SanchoPensa | a whois to the periodically chaning source IPs gives rather concise answers, once it is an adress in the netherlands, then again in some business park in new dehli |
| 17:41.13 | SanchoPensa | the amount of traffic is in extraordinary low rates, according to nethogs and iftop it is around 0,003 KB/s |
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| 17:43.26 | SanchoPensa | the destination port, however is always the same: 56576 with google being inconclusive as to what to expect behind that port. |
| 17:43.43 | SanchoPensa | what on earth is going on? |
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| 17:44.40 | usr1987 | carrier wave by decepticons? |
| 17:45.28 | SanchoPensa | usr1987: on the inside of the network? |
| 17:45.59 | SanchoPensa | it's not the router, that returns those connections, but my computer behind the router... |
| 17:46.17 | SanchoPensa | something's definitely getting through the router. UNNOTICED. |
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| 17:56.16 | usr1987 | sanchopensa: try wireshark and capture some of the traffic and inspect it... who knows what else it can be... |
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| 18:52.06 | graphicsv | I installed Liquorix kernel and it has the option that I need plus low-latency settings. Can I remove Debian's default kernel? (4.19.0) |
| 18:52.25 | graphicsv | Actually I just did but I'm afraid after reboot something will break |
| 18:53.21 | sney | technically, you only need one kernel installed at a time. |
| 18:53.40 | sney | debian has 2 by default as a failsafe in case of a borked upgrade |
| 18:55.41 | annadane | you *can* remove it but unless you have low disk space i'd keep it installed as a failsafe |
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| 19:05.46 | BuzzardBuzz | My Debian 10 boots up to a Busy Box. Previously it used to work great. Is there a way to fix that? |
| 19:07.06 | BuzzardBuzz | I think a lightning hit to my house broke it |
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| 19:10.30 | ax562 | lol |
| 19:14.25 | jhutchins | BuzzardBuzz: Possibly boot to a live CD (same version), chroot, and rebuild the initrd. |
| 19:15.16 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins he is on wsl |
| 19:15.24 | diogenes_ | or boot a previous kernel. |
| 19:15.27 | BuzzardBuzz | Thank you for that suggestion |
| 19:16.17 | graphicsv | annadane: Alright. Thanks |
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| 19:51.14 | poet | Hello, I'm trying to update Debian 10. When I run 'apt-get update' I get the following error message (and other similar ones): |
| 19:51.20 | poet | W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:1 and /etc/apt/sources.list:10 |
| 19:51.49 | poet | Any help fixing this would be genuinely appreciated. |
| 19:52.29 | jmcnaught | poet: that's just a warning, looks like you have duplicate lines in your sources.list (lines 1 and 10) |
| 19:52.32 | quadrathoch2 | poet you have a repository multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:52.50 | flayer | i'm hungry |
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| 19:53.09 | somiaj | poet: you can share yoru soruces.list at paste.debian.net if you want someone to look it over. |
| 19:53.27 | poet | jmcnaught: Okay, so this won't interfere with an update? |
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| 19:53.38 | poet | quadrathoch2: Thank you. =) |
| 19:53.57 | sney | !warning |
| 19:53.57 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 19:55.38 | poet | somiaj: Okay. I'll do that. |
| 19:56.23 | poet | https://paste.debian.net/1157885/ |
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| 19:57.12 | quadrathoch2 | poet if this is everything, it should be fine. did you already edit it? |
| 19:57.53 | poet | quadrathoch2: Yes I removed one line: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 19:58.26 | quadrathoch2 | poet do you want contrib and nonfree? if yes you would need to edit it (you can just add them after main (all of them)) |
| 19:58.34 | somiaj | poet: if you want access to 'contrib' and 'non-free' just append those to each and every line you have in that sources.list |
| 19:58.41 | somiaj | poet: you don't need a new line for that. |
| 19:58.43 | poet | I try to not use non-free but I had to once. |
| 19:59.28 | somiaj | if you have non-free software currently installed, you should at least keep the sources around for updates. Packages in main won't pull stuff from non-free, so you can check if something is free or not before installing it |
| 19:59.57 | poet | quadrathoch2 and somiaj: Okay I will edit accordingly and let you know. Thank you for your help. |
| 20:03.52 | oxek | is anyone seriously running debian without non-free contrib? |
| 20:05.06 | somiaj | it is hard to escape some of the firmware, but many besides for firmware most likely are, and I'm sure some are using purely open firmware hardware |
| 20:05.43 | somiaj | though it is hard to get away from firmare with microcode, wifi, and modern gpus |
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| 20:21.49 | jhutchins | Is there a tool that will scan for network printers and return the correct URI? |
| 20:22.16 | jhutchins | CUPS documentation all assumes you're running it on a mac. |
| 20:23.07 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins isn't there something in the documentation of your printer? |
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| 20:27.22 | jhutchins | quadrathoch2: No, I'm looking for the shared uri. |
| 20:29.12 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CUPS#Network_2 ? |
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| 20:31.50 | KOLANICH | Hi everybody. |
| 20:32.01 | KOLANICH | https://github.com/guillemj/dpkg/pull/2 https://github.com/guillemj/dpkg/pull/3 |
| 20:33.12 | quadrathoch2 | KOLANICH https://salsa.debian.org/dpkg-team/dpkg |
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| 20:36.21 | KOLANICH | quadrathoch2: I don't have a salsa account, and since that GH repo looks like a repo of the current maintainer of dpkg, I have sent the patches there |
| 20:36.57 | evilbug | do any of you also use freebsd? |
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| 20:37.18 | annadane | not me personally, i've dabbled briefly but it's different paradigms |
| 20:37.52 | evilbug | i wanted to see if anyone experienced it be much slower than debian in installing updates. |
| 20:37.59 | quadrathoch2 | KOLANICH you could also post it to the mailing list |
| 20:38.45 | KOLANICH | quadrathoch2: I can. |
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| 20:40.35 | poet | Okay, I ran 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade' yet 'lsb_release -a' says I'm still at 10.0 instead of 10.4... |
| 20:41.01 | sney | what's in /etc/debian_version? lsb_release is deprecated |
| 20:42.30 | poet | sney: Oh, okay! /etc/debian_version says 10.4. I didn't know lsb_release was depreciated. Thank you for your help. =) |
| 20:42.40 | sney | np |
| 20:43.02 | annadane | i think freebsd's pkg and debian's apt are roughly the same |
| 20:43.06 | annadane | from what i've read |
| 20:43.08 | annadane | i'm not certain |
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| 20:43.37 | annadane | with the caveat that freebsd uses ports that are upgraded independently of the base system |
| 20:43.56 | annadane | you can always spin up a vm and try stuff |
| 20:46.06 | evilbug | annadane: i know, i'm even in #freebsd. upgrading from 12.0 to 12.1 is taking forever on a similar specced vm i have with deb. over 10 minutes now and still stuck on "preparing to download"... |
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| 20:48.22 | poet | Thanks again for your help, #Debian. =) |
| 20:50.27 | evilbug | bummer. i was looking forward to replacing all of my debian servers with freebsd. |
| 20:51.22 | evilbug | now i understand why someone was telling me that i should be able to have a freebsd box set up in about an hour. |
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| 20:52.47 | sney | I was going to say "there's always the kfreebsd port" but I guess there isn't anymore |
| 20:53.31 | quadrathoch2 | sney yeah there was not enough interest :( |
| 20:53.41 | annadane | once fbsd has a "quickstart desktop setup guide" that isn't impossible then i will *maybe* consider it |
| 20:54.02 | Jemt | Hi. For some reason clamav-daemon won't start. `systemctl restart clamav-daemon` outputs the following error: "Failed to restart clamav-daemon.service: Unit clamav-daemon.service is masked.". If I do `dpkg --get-selections | grep -i clamav` I get a list where clamav-daemon is marked "deinstall". Is this the cause of the problem? |
| 20:54.26 | quadrathoch2 | annadane imho they gave up desktop (they even killed the desktop distribution because of server features) |
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| 20:54.35 | Jemt | (By the way - I upgraded from Debian 8 to Debian 9 to Debian 10 - this seems to have happened along the way) |
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| 20:55.43 | Logg | Jemt, purge it and try installing the package again? |
| 20:56.35 | Jemt | I suppose I could - I just wonder what happend. Thanks though, Logg :) |
| 20:56.58 | quadrathoch2 | Jemt look into systemctl mask <service> ;) |
| 20:57.02 | Logg | Jemt, I suggested that because I suspect the config file is no longer compatible. If you read the changelog you can see why probably |
| 20:57.40 | evilbug | i wouldn't consider freebsd as a desktop. just tried it a couple of days back and i'm not trying to run arch. |
| 20:58.12 | evilbug | for a headless though i would've expected some basic functions to be easier than they actually are. |
| 20:58.17 | Jemt | Good suggestion - thanks again Logg - and quadrathoch2 :) |
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| 20:59.13 | evilbug | not having pkg installed by default for example, then the upgrade process between minor versions feels more convoluted than upgrading deb to a major version. |
| 20:59.33 | evilbug | imagine apt not being there by default in deb. |
| 21:00.04 | quadrathoch2 | evilbug oO pkg is in freebsd base install, so no idea what you are talking about, but still offtopic |
| 21:00.39 | evilbug | not from what i've seen. it'll install if you try to run it but it's not there by default. |
| 21:02.51 | quadrathoch2 | it is installed, how else would you install stuff :/ |
| 21:03.33 | evilbug | i didn't take a screenshot but i got a prompt saying it's not installed and asking if i want to fetch it and install it. |
| 21:04.09 | evilbug | it was just a matter of saying yes and enter but the os told me pkg isn't installed. |
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| 21:05.54 | ax562 | sup y'all. So I installed the nvidia-driver but I do not think my system is using the gpu. Any suggestions? |
| 21:06.21 | istrive | hello my friends! What a Sunday in Florida.... |
| 21:06.32 | sney | what gpu, why do you think it's not "using the gpu", is this optimus? |
| 21:06.42 | evilbug | istrive: please tell me you have a #floridaman story. |
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| 21:07.30 | istrive | I need to get rid of DHCP. I set my two nicks to Static IP on /etc/interfaces (set the interface down first ip link set eno1/2 down) but when I reboot the nic2 still gets a dhcp address! what am I missing? |
| 21:07.53 | ax562 | sney because I boot up dolphin-emu and it tells me im running my intel cpue |
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| 21:08.20 | sney | !optimus |
| 21:08.20 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:08.31 | ax562 | and when I go into settings details, it says im on intel gpu as well |
| 21:08.37 | evilbug | istrive: you mean /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:10.18 | sney | istrive: pastebin your interfaces file, please |
| 21:10.32 | ax562 | "lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]" does not work |
| 21:11.05 | sney | ax562: if you already know that your laptop has both an intel gpu and a nvidia gpu, then you can skip that step and just read the wiki page. |
| 21:11.17 | ax562 | I went on the "optimus" link I was given earlier and my gpu was not listed |
| 21:11.18 | evilbug | sney: loool wasn't pastebin considered the devil for a few years now? |
| 21:11.32 | evilbug | sney: or is that like using "kleenex" for tissue nowadays? |
| 21:11.34 | ax562 | sney which one? |
| 21:11.59 | sney | evilbug: "pastebin" is the generic term for a website where you can share text, yes. pastebin.com does not have a monopoly on the term. |
| 21:12.00 | ax562 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro K4000M] [10de:11bd] (rev a1) |
| 21:12.07 | ax562 | that's what I have |
| 21:12.38 | evilbug | sney: i've been away from the scene for a couple of years but i actually used a pastebin link 3-4 years ago for something somebody crucified the living jesus out of me. |
| 21:13.17 | dvs | evilbug, use paste.debian.org |
| 21:13.30 | sney | ax562: quadro gpus are not always documented but they come from the same designs as geforce gpus that probably are listed. REGARDLESS, if your system is multiplexing an intel gpu and a nvidia gpu, bumblebee is what you need. period. |
| 21:13.59 | evilbug | dvs: i know, just saying :D |
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| 21:14.18 | ax562 | sney I've never heard of using both gpu simultaneously |
| 21:14.23 | istrive | https://pastebin.com/3ET7Cgf9 |
| 21:14.50 | istrive | this is the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:15.04 | ax562 | so the nvidia-driver does not work? |
| 21:15.20 | sney | ax562: you don't seem to be reading anything, so I'll just leave you to your own devices |
| 21:15.40 | ax562 | sney I'm asking a question from what I just read |
| 21:15.47 | ax562 | no need for an attitude |
| 21:16.22 | KOLANICH | quadrathoch2: I have sent the patches to the mailing list. |
| 21:16.34 | quadrathoch2 | great thanks KOLANICH |
| 21:17.41 | sney | so where did you get "does not work" from? I am now telling you for the 3rd time: your hardware requires bumblebee, which has instructions on wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee, nouveau and nvidia-driver are both options, read the instructions. |
| 21:18.52 | sney | istrive: that should be fine, redacting private addresses is an odd choice, but anyway - which interface is getting a dynamic address against your wishes? |
| 21:21.06 | ax562 | I installed nvidia-driver which is not working |
| 21:22.12 | istrive | Any ideas how to completely disable the DCHP requests? |
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| 21:24.05 | sney | ax562: some optimus laptop models only support using the nvidia gpu in windows. no optimus laptop supports using the nvidia gpu without bumblebee. you have to try the bumblebee instructions to find out which one you have. |
| 21:24.26 | sney | istrive: which interface is getting a dynamic address? is it the host nic or the virtual one? |
| 21:24.33 | istrive | the eno2 |
| 21:25.29 | sney | so that's a bridge supported by the vbox utils, right? network-manager ignores any interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces, so unless you have some other network daemon running, it's most likely virtualbox doing something sneaky. |
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| 21:27.27 | istrive | it gets the static IP as defined in the interfaces, but also an extra from the DHCP... What is going on? I even removed the NetworkManager |
| 21:27.38 | tomreyn | ax562: you can also use DRI PRIME if using the nouveau drivers. |
| 21:28.08 | tomreyn | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME |
| 21:28.09 | sney | istrive: step 1: are you *sure* it is from dhcp? there's more than one way to dynamically assign an address, especially on a virtual interface. |
| 21:28.29 | tomreyn | ax562: this may or may not work on your debian version, yet. |
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| 21:29.28 | istrive | this is the host system, the eno2 is shared to the vms to connect to the LAN, but the address here is not linked to any vms (and the network settings to the vms is as bridge) |
| 21:30.23 | RoyK | istrive: have you setup briding? br0, for instance |
| 21:30.42 | istrive | no |
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| 21:31.07 | istrive | the bridge is in the VBOX settings for guests nework |
| 21:31.19 | RoyK | oh - vbox? haven't used that on a server or 10+ years⦠|
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| 21:33.07 | sney | istrive: is eno2 a physical nic or is it only "connected" to the virtual network for the vbox guests? |
| 21:33.33 | istrive | both eno1 and eno2 are physical nics |
| 21:34.36 | sney | ok, and do you have a log of the dhcp request and response? it'll probably be in journalctl if nowhere else. |
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| 21:36.43 | ax562 | ok |
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| 21:56.54 | ax562 | that didn't go as planned lol |
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| 22:01.02 | xlirate | I am running in to issues trying to install nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver, I am on a fresh as of today install of sid. Is this the right place to ask? |
| 22:01.39 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 22:01.40 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 22:01.52 | xlirate | Thank you |
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| 22:20.05 | ozzloy | why aren't #debian and #debian-next on the same irc network? |
| 22:20.17 | ozzloy | oh, barrier to noobs? |
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| 22:20.33 | annadane | debian used to be on freenode but they moved to oftc in 2006 |
| 22:20.36 | sney | ozzloy: there's a #debian on oftc too. oftc is the official network for debian channels, but this one is older, so both are maintained |
| 22:20.37 | annadane | so most of the channels are there |
| 22:20.45 | annadane | but they kept this one around and #debian-offtopic |
| 22:20.49 | ozzloy | oic |
| 22:21.07 | ozzloy | then why doesn't this one redirect to there? |
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| 22:21.17 | annadane | because they're two different channels... |
| 22:21.44 | annadane | oftc's is "official" (and probably more official developers, i guess?) but this one has more users |
| 22:21.58 | annadane | it's also somewhat of a culture thing, some prefer freenode to oftc and vice versa |
| 22:22.18 | sney | I don't think cross-network redirects really work. besides, it doesn't hurt to have two, and the bots have the same information in both, etc |
| 22:22.20 | ozzloy | thanks annadane and sney |
| 22:23.40 | annadane | but yeah, if you're looking for a debian channel it's probably on oftc |
| 22:23.51 | annadane | debian-devel, debian-mentors, debian-kernel, debian-release, debian-www... |
| 22:24.09 | annadane | many of us are on both networks |
| 22:25.52 | ozzloy | oh, maybe that's where i should go to get help making .deb packages |
| 22:26.13 | ozzloy | i have tried a few times, spent many hours, got frustrated and moved on to other things |
| 22:26.28 | annadane | for distribution in debian, #debian-mentors, for self made packages #packaging |
| 22:26.35 | annadane | see also |
| 22:26.36 | annadane | !nmg |
| 22:26.36 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 22:26.58 | ozzloy | oftc #packaging, or freenode #packaging? |
| 22:27.01 | annadane | oftc |
| 22:27.07 | annadane | debian-mentors as well |
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| 22:27.14 | ozzloy | and it's #packaging and not #debian-packaging? |
| 22:27.15 | ax562 | take 3 |
| 22:27.18 | annadane | yes |
| 22:27.31 | annadane | #debian-mentors is the one for packages made for inclusion in debian specifically |
| 22:27.36 | ozzloy | that's like when people refer to san francisco as "the city" |
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| 22:28.12 | ax562 | bay bay |
| 22:28.13 | sney | #packaging covers personal packages, stuff for ubuntu or other derivatives, etc. so including "debian" in the name would be incorrect even though it's still about making .debs |
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| 22:28.31 | quadrathoch2 | there is not _that_ much going on on oftc, probably that's why they get away with it ;) |
| 22:29.13 | ozzloy | sney, then maybe #deb-packaging |
| 22:29.29 | ozzloy | though i could see ubuntu people being ok with the name #debian-packaging |
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| 22:29.42 | ozzloy | and other derivatives of debian, since ... they're debian derived |
| 22:30.02 | ozzloy | but whatever, thanks so much for the heads up |
| 22:30.08 | ax562 | does ubuntu pay licensing fee to use debian? |
| 22:30.17 | ozzloy | the thing i wanted to make a package for was gerrit |
| 22:30.44 | ozzloy | and gerrit in turn relies on some java thing that eventually i'd like to package as well |
| 22:31.04 | ozzloy | more recently, i would like to update the clojure package to include clj |
| 22:31.26 | ozzloy | i currently have clojure installed via linuxbrew which just feels gross |
| 22:31.58 | sney | ax562: no, anyone can make a derivative free of charge. Canonical does contribute back to debian in other ways though |
| 22:32.13 | ax562 | that's cool |
| 22:32.40 | ozzloy | i suppose they _could_ charge |
| 22:32.46 | ax562 | well, I tried a couple of those gpu methods... didn't work |
| 22:33.19 | ax562 | I was reading about the Bumbblebee and supposedly performance is not good. That is the reason I'm trying to get my nvidia gpu working |
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| 22:35.05 | ax562 | How hard is this method https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/NvidiaXrun ? |
| 22:36.10 | sney | !tias |
| 22:36.10 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 22:36.37 | ax562 | yes! |
| 22:36.48 | ax562 | sney thanks for pointing me to these |
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| 22:37.07 | ozzloy | it's not very hard at all. it just requires tapping keyboard keys and moving a mouse and tapping the mouse |
| 22:37.51 | ozzloy | you have to do it in the right place and right order, but you can take as long as you like |
| 22:39.39 | ax562 | lol |
| 22:39.48 | ax562 | he got jokes :p |
| 22:39.59 | ax562 | dl now |
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| 22:43.14 | ax562 | How can I verify this "Make sure that all appropriate Debian Nvidia packages (kernel, X, and glx) are installed. " in Buster |
| 22:43.52 | ax562 | would apt install nvidia-driver cover all 3? |
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| 22:48.43 | sney | yes, if you have aptitude you can also use 'aptitude search ~invidia' to see all of your installed packages with nvidia in the name |
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| 22:50.14 | ax562 | sney I used apt-cache search nvidia |
| 22:50.53 | sney | you can use whatever you want, I gave you specific information that does something different though. |
| 22:50.55 | ax562 | but I didn't know which were needed |
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| 23:39.02 | ax562 | nvidia-xrun is not easy lol |
| 23:39.39 | ax562 | taking a break but definitely requires quiet a bit of linux knowledge |
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