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| 00:10.33 | CyberManifest | weirdest thing, I purged both wicd and network-manager, and suddenly my wifi shows to be working, but I had abruptly pulled the network cable out to test it and it wasn't working, so rebooting, but it's weird what on earth does raspberry pi use ? |
| 00:10.53 | CyberManifest | so all who were helping me fix my WiFi, it's working again! thanks :) |
| 00:12.55 | CyberManifest | sney: ^ + ^^ |
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| 00:42.02 | CyberManifest | I Just Want to Say Debian is Awesome! Great Work Debian Contributors, Testers, Maintainers, and the whole Debian Team, Users, and Supporters :) You all ROCK! |
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| 01:33.42 | jerlique | I've suvvessfully reinstalled grub, but my debian machine still boots to a black screen. the underscore cursor is present like its at a login prompt. typing moves the cursor along and enter resets it.. I cannot appear to login and networking is not working anyway, so I think its deceving me... Anyway to be able to fore it to show more details? |
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| 01:54.32 | CyberManifest | grub>: - The grub prompt on a blank screen. |
| 01:54.32 | CyberManifest | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.39 | CyberManifest | jerlique: ^ |
| 01:55.52 | CyberManifest | jerlique: does ls return anything on that screen ? |
| 01:57.26 | CyberManifest | jerlique: Frozen splash screen, blinking cursor with no grub> or grub rescue prompt. Possible video issues with the kernel. |
| 01:59.33 | jerlique | CyberManifest: no ouput from ls. cursor resets to start of line after typing. no grub or resuce prompt printed... |
| 02:00.04 | CyberManifest | jerlique: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90390/black-screen-after-grub |
| 02:01.56 | CyberManifest | jerlique: try nomodeset ... https://www.stephenwagner.com/2019/05/05/ubuntu-linux-black-screen-frozen-system-after-upgrade-install/ |
| 02:02.28 | CyberManifest | jerlique: also https://forum.manjaro.org/t/solved-black-screen-on-booting-no-grub/97673 |
| 02:06.18 | CyberManifest | jerlique: I think you may need your video drivers and in the mean time I would use nomodeset |
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| 02:25.59 | jerlique | FYI this is a vm, the bios stuff prints, but not the vm os itself... it was abrubpt shutdown. I can see the partitions/files and stuff when attaching the disk on another vm |
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| 03:13.54 | ddsys | tried to download 10.5 and said virus https://i.imgur.com/s2pfuxi.png |
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| 03:36.12 | WormholeTraveler | try another browser or use torrent |
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| 03:44.27 | jerlique | In a vm environment, i dont normally see grub menu/messages. Now that I have a failed disk, how do I know if grub is loading or not? I have verified that grub is installed on disk. |
| 03:44.37 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> Current Debian release is buster, 10.5 point release /msg dpkg 10.5; /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Stretch has limited LTS support: /msg dpkg stretch-lts ; /msg dpkg 9.13 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 03:44.48 | themill | (topicdiff 10.5 released) |
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| 03:46.40 | nvz | well thats ignorant |
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| 03:47.47 | nvz | I just spent half an hour reading blogs and visting sites and crap and there seems to be no way to get any detailed information what-so-ever on this SafeBrowsing stuff |
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| 03:48.18 | nvz | you cannot believe a word of random closed databases that claim files are bad somehow and can say absolutely nothing more |
| 03:49.03 | nvz | every single person involved with these efforts should be ashamed |
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| 03:49.51 | nvz | they might as well just popup a dialog that says "we have no idea what this file contains, we just thought we'd scare you into trusting us" |
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| 04:52.08 | WormholeTraveler | redshift is a great prog to save your eyes |
| 04:52.31 | WormholeTraveler | the defaults are perfect dont change it |
| 04:53.12 | WormholeTraveler | sudo apt redshift |
| 04:53.13 | WormholeTraveler | :) |
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| 04:57.03 | ectospasm | That reminded me to turn on Night Shift on this Mac |
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| 05:25.45 | WormholeTraveler | yup night shift is awesome |
| 05:26.20 | WormholeTraveler | redshift is the same thing. You could crontab it to run at certain times. |
| 05:30.19 | genghiz | Hey all. I've just noticed that for nginx-light and nginx-full on stable, if I change the location of the pid-file, they're not automatically restarted on reboot. |
| 05:30.30 | genghiz | Sorry, not on reboot, on upgrade |
| 05:31.09 | genghiz | I looked into the control file and saw that it's caused by the postinst script looking for the pidfile in a hardcoded place |
| 05:31.18 | genghiz | Is this worth a bug report? |
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| 06:35.46 | genr8_ | no ? |
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| 06:52.22 | KOJIbKA | Hi all! I got sudden PC freeze. On attempt to identify the reason upon hard reset I tried to identify the process which caused such a freeze. 'top' gave me short review of some process named something like '*-miner' . Is there a way to find history of prosesses which have been run in the past? |
| 06:52.42 | KOJIbKA | Like 'top' gives only present pid |
| 06:53.04 | KOJIbKA | I need to find out what happend few minutes back |
| 06:55.33 | KOJIbKA | That suspicious process has clearly stated PID and user. But the name is a bit confusing cause I didn't have time to read it. |
| 06:57.28 | KOJIbKA | And now it's totally gone from 'top' list |
| 06:57.58 | JackV | you could write the output of âºpsâ¹ in a file every second or so |
| 06:58.39 | JackV | afair top has an output switch for this too. |
| 06:59.18 | KOJIbKA | JackV: ps gives only two of them: bash and ps itself |
| 07:00.51 | KOJIbKA | My machine has most certainly been pwned and I have no clue how to monitor it. |
| 07:04.16 | KOJIbKA | with all those freezes and halts on which I have no chance to control I need a tool to monitor what has happened in the past and log is a deep blue sea for me. Is there a way to find out what has happened to processes in the past? |
| 07:07.57 | JackV | KOJIbKA, ps has switches to control the output |
| 07:08.00 | KOJIbKA | 'gnome-logs' keeps shut down right upon attempt to see any of the logs |
| 07:08.59 | JackV | but it can not list processes from the past. If you havenât logged them, they are lost. Writing ps-output in a file only prevents that for the future |
| 07:09.35 | KOJIbKA | JackV: thank a lot I got this one |
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| 07:12.09 | KOJIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.32 | ratrace | ,file /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-apps |
| 07:13.37 | judd | Search for /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-apps in buster/amd64: tracker-miner-fs: usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-apps |
| 07:13.45 | ratrace | !info tracker-miner-fs |
| 07:13.51 | dpkg | tracker-miner-fs: (metadata database, indexer and search tool - filesystem indexer), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.3.3-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 262 kB |
| 07:13.58 | ratrace | KOJIbKA: there you go |
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| 07:15.41 | KOJIbKA | ratrace: Quite a wired name for an indexer isn't it? |
| 07:15.47 | ratrace | definitely |
| 07:16.21 | JackV | maybe someone thought, it would be funny :D |
| 07:16.33 | ratrace | a lot of things in modern linux deskop look like one's been pwned. that's part of reason why linux desktop suxx and there will never be a Year of the Linux Desktop |
| 07:17.54 | JackV | wasnât that year last year? |
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| 07:18.27 | JackV | tbh: look at windows processes â looks equally weird |
| 07:20.13 | ratrace | JackV: no that was Year of the Linux Desktop Dramas. Different award category. |
| 07:21.15 | JackV | I see |
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| 07:27.51 | KOJIbKA | well that doesn't solve the mystery with sudden system freezes anyway! Who is next contender for Linux Desktop Horrors in a row? |
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| 07:29.07 | KOJIbKA | My machine has got hardware tester preinstalled and runs just fine according to it. |
| 07:30.23 | JackV | hints for causes of freezes are found usually in the logs |
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| 07:31.03 | JackV | journalctl might help. Maybe you have to make your journal persistent |
| 07:31.14 | KOJIbKA | JackV: I got 'gnome-logs' constantly closing itself in attempt to view it |
| 07:31.29 | JackV | ususally journalctl is used |
| 07:31.53 | JackV | doesnât even know âºgnome-logsâ¹ |
| 07:32.59 | KOJIbKA | JackV: 'journalctl' No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions. |
| 07:33.08 | JackV | so use it as root |
| 07:33.17 | JackV | or add yourself to a suitable group |
| 07:33.47 | KOJIbKA | Ah! I'm hitting stupid record this morning! |
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| 07:35.08 | JackV | be sure to have a look at the manpage of journalctl. It has many useful options |
| 07:35.29 | KOJIbKA | JackV: I'm there at the moment |
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| 07:36.58 | ratrace | KOJIbKA: journalctl -b -p err |
| 07:37.37 | ratrace | or use, say, --since '2020-08-02 01:02:03' or whatever time you started noticing issues |
| 07:37.53 | ratrace | or == instead of -b |
| 07:39.36 | KOJIbKA | ratrace: http://paste.debian.net/1158636/ |
| 07:39.40 | KOJIbKA | so far |
| 07:41.56 | KOJIbKA | too many excess USB-s ain't so? |
| 07:42.29 | ratrace | yea, that's an USB stick? it's dead, Jim. |
| 07:43.17 | ratrace | why is dhclient failing... you have gnome, so I refuse to enter that forest, but if that's ethernet, and interfaces(5) is controlling it, check why dhclient is failing. |
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| 07:43.37 | KOJIbKA | ratrace: unfortunately no. It's XBox360 Wireless Controller and camera |
| 07:43.37 | jim | ratrace, what's dead, jim? |
| 07:43.39 | ratrace | and ..... hp-systray? what? |
| 07:43.57 | ratrace | jim: ohlol :) sorry buddy, I was quoting Bones |
| 07:44.01 | KOJIbKA | ratrace: last one is easy |
| 07:44.33 | KOJIbKA | HP-Lip refuses to initiate itself without Control Panel |
| 07:44.39 | jim | the actors pass, but the characters live forever |
| 07:45.39 | ratrace | KOJIbKA: sorry, that's another forest I'm refusing to enter :) |
| 07:46.15 | KOJIbKA | I mean System Tray |
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| 07:46.48 | KOJIbKA | But I got these for ages without any freezes! |
| 07:47.14 | KOJIbKA | Didn't bother to eliminate them even |
| 07:47.30 | ratrace | KOJIbKA: gnome has some extension to re-enable systray. they did a really "great" job by removing it. kudos, congrats, gnome, you're winner of the 2019 Year of the Linux Desktop Dramas award. |
| 07:47.50 | KOJIbKA | :-D |
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| 07:51.16 | ratrace | KOJIbKA: oh also, I forgot, gnome will log about errors but not at the "err" severity level. yeah, another win. so you can journalctl -f to tail it, and then start your "gnome-logs" or whatever other program that's crashing for you, and see if anything useful is logged |
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| 07:57.57 | WormholeTraveler | whats a good leafpad replacement? apparently its old now |
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| 08:00.34 | themill | apt says mousepad |
| 08:00.40 | themill | ,i mousepad |
| 08:00.41 | judd | Package mousepad (editors, optional) in buster/amd64: simple Xfce oriented text editor. Version: 0.4.1-2; Size: 325.9k; Installed: 1516k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mousepad |
| 08:04.33 | WormholeTraveler | what search terms did you use? |
| 08:04.36 | WormholeTraveler | ty |
| 08:05.19 | themill | apt-cache search leafpad |
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| 08:06.15 | WormholeTraveler | thank you |
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| 08:06.48 | WormholeTraveler | featherpad is also a nice one if youre interested btw |
| 08:06.53 | WormholeTraveler | just found it |
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| 08:21.11 | f8e4 | how to clenaup all the ps ? |
| 08:21.22 | f8e4 | like: 14941 ? SL 0:00 /usr/lib/chromium/chromium --type=zygot.. |
| 08:21.38 | f8e4 | i cannot restart chromium |
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| 08:24.29 | KOJIbKA | f8e4: kill [options] <pid> [...] did you try that one? |
| 08:24.43 | KOJIbKA | see man kill as well |
| 08:24.58 | KOJIbKA | =-O |
| 08:25.10 | KOJIbKA | 'man kill' I mean |
| 08:25.25 | KOJIbKA | Oh that Debian shortcuts! |
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| 08:26.26 | KOJIbKA | Kill them all! Let the Deb sort them out! |
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| 08:27.57 | Voyager82 | Hello. I recentely bought a new computer, provided with a SSD, with Windows 10 already installed. I intend to make a double partition, and install also Debian Linux. I would like to keep both Linux and Windows. So far, I've always installed Debian Linux on "old" computers, provided with old-fashioned HDDs. Should I expect any problem, more than usual? |
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| 08:31.05 | KOJIbKA | Voyager82: Yes you will. Starting from UEFI switch over. That almost dead blocked my installation. But that is not affected neither by HDD nor SSD type which remains unnoticed by installer at all. So, briefly, no worries. Just do study your BIOS initial settings thoroughly. |
| 08:31.09 | f8e4 | Voyager82 the default installer will guide you and even warn if you do bad that could render win unusable |
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| 08:32.31 | f8e4 | i have zombies, how to clean them? |
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| 08:32.45 | f8e4 | kill -9 aint none |
| 08:33.09 | Voyager82 | KOJIbKA, what do you mean? Previously, when I installed Debian Linux next to Windows, there was GRUB, that managed the two operating systems. What happens now? |
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| 08:34.17 | KOJIbKA | Do you have UEFI on your system? |
| 08:34.35 | f8e4 | Voyager82 its fine! |
| 08:35.00 | Voyager82 | KOJIbKA, I don't know. |
| 08:36.02 | KOJIbKA | Well sort it out and refer to https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI if you do. |
| 08:37.22 | KOJIbKA | It gave me a real pain to struggle with initial installation. But since then almost 6 years of normal (almost) flight. |
| 08:37.39 | Voyager82 | KOJIbKA, actually, I see no sign of BIOS, when I turn on the computer. I feel like a "caveman". I was used to see a lot of messages from the BIOS, before the OS started, and I 'm a little confused. :) |
| 08:38.33 | KOJIbKA | Try to find out your BIOS menu short key. Like F2 or F12 or ESC during boot |
| 08:39.14 | KOJIbKA | There you see additional info on your boot up process. |
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| 09:02.43 | Voyager82 | KOJIbKA, what problems did you actually encountered, and how did you solve them? |
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| 09:08.22 | KOJIbKA | Voyager82: well it all depends on what kind of machine you're trying to modify. What is your configuration? CPU, Motherboard, GPU? |
| 09:08.35 | KOJIbKA | May be brand name? |
| 09:08.52 | Voyager82 | KOJIbKA, it's an ASUS. |
| 09:09.25 | KOJIbKA | Then all my directions might not work for you. I've got Dell machine. |
| 09:11.34 | Voyager82 | However, I understand I need at least one USB drive to install Debian Linux, and one USB drive to install back Windows, in case something goes wrong. |
| 09:13.59 | KOJIbKA | Voyager82: Try go search among users forums among your model. Sometimes it works. |
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| 09:58.08 | genr8_ | ofc he has UEFI on a new computer, and he needs to deal with it. |
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| 10:34.22 | vjacob | hiya. does anyone know of software that actually tracks how files are moving from place to place or even in terms of file name renames/deletes to extract analysis on what might be better ways of organizing files? |
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| 10:44.08 | abrotman | vjacob: you might be able to use fam to get the data, but perhaps do your own analysis |
| 10:44.24 | n_1-c_k | vjacob: git |
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| 10:56.34 | fromhell | hallo |
| 10:56.39 | fromhell | need help |
| 10:56.57 | diogenes_ | !ask |
| 10:56.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:58.14 | fromhell | dpkg, i have that , problem i make /etc/adduser.con chmode 700, but how make , whith this chmod works public_html |
| 10:58.14 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, fromhell |
| 10:59.25 | diogenes_ | fromhell, dpkg is a robot :) |
| 11:00.09 | fromhell | :) |
| 11:00.13 | fromhell | sorry :) |
| 11:00.26 | fromhell | i think he is to fast :) |
| 11:03.40 | abrotman | you're saying you set the mode to 700 in adduser, but the public_html/ has a different mode? |
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| 11:04.13 | abrotman | fromhell: ? |
| 11:04.31 | fromhell | hallo |
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| 11:05.50 | zapatista | hey I am trying to use a window manager to tile apps I am using on monitori so far I installed wmii but could not manage to use it (porbably because of my mini wireless keyboard mouse combo). any good window manager for debian gnome? |
| 11:06.08 | fromhell | abrotman , when i adduser chmod 700, doeasbot work public>html |
| 11:06.45 | abrotman | oh, you're not doing it yet, you just want to know? |
| 11:07.02 | abrotman | fromhell: you do realize, the public_html won't work with a mode of 700 via a webserver? |
| 11:07.09 | fromhell | abrotman, /etc/adduser.conf |
| 11:07.12 | fromhell | i set it |
| 11:07.28 | fromhell | but public_html look permision |
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| 11:09.28 | fromhell | but public_html look permision.? |
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| 11:09.48 | fromhell | ? |
| 11:09.50 | abrotman | fromhell: just try it and see |
| 11:09.58 | fromhell | listen |
| 11:10.05 | abrotman | ... |
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| 11:12.06 | oxek | https://www.debian.org/CD/verify says "Debian CDs come with signed checksum files; look for them alongside the images in the iso-cd, jigdo-dvd, iso-hybrid etc. directories" but I don't see them at https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:12.51 | abrotman | oxek: you don't see the files there called "SUMS" ? |
| 11:13.09 | quadrathoch2 | oxek the sign files still take awhile |
| 11:13.38 | oxek | abrotman: I don't see the *signed* checksum files |
| 11:13.50 | oxek | "These checksum files are also signed - see the matching .sign files" |
| 11:13.53 | abrotman | oh, I think they're signed by virtue of the respository being signed, sorry |
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| 11:14.02 | abrotman | can you find older samples? |
| 11:14.32 | oxek | Unfortunately I don't understand what you mean by older samples? |
| 11:14.52 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/8.8.0/arm64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:14.53 | abrotman | those do have a .signed |
| 11:15.39 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ same, has signed files |
| 11:16.59 | oxek | yeah, that will work, thanks! 10.4 will automatically update to 10.5 during installation if I have internet, right? |
| 11:17.14 | abrotman | yes, assuming you have an http source |
| 11:17.23 | abrotman | if not, you can do so after the installation |
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| 11:26.32 | f8e4 | hi folks, do you know of a simple solution to contorl fan speed? on a ashrock minibox 110 |
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| 11:33.40 | abrotman | f8e4: apt-cache search fan control |
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| 11:36.04 | vjacob | n_1-c_k, git is a great idea, except it would require adding everything to a repository manually (most likely, or to do one heck of a script to add it), but more over it would not be ideal for binary files (IMHO) |
| 11:36.15 | vjacob | abrotman, what is ´fam´ ? |
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| 11:36.53 | vjacob | installs fam to look it up further with manpage |
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| 11:37.23 | abrotman | vjacob: apt-cache show fam |
| 11:37.39 | abrotman | or apt show fam .. whatever you use |
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| 11:50.27 | vjacob | abrotman, that seems like what I am looking for, that said most likely a lot of stuff would have to be added, but I will of course start to look out what has been built on top of/based on |
| 11:50.37 | vjacob | tips hat |
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| 11:51.10 | abrotman | vjacob: yeah, I think your use case is a bit different, but maybe it can help |
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| 12:08.19 | f8e4 | has anyone tried: https://packages.debian.org/buster/fancontrol |
| 12:08.39 | f8e4 | i installed, now ? i hate it when devs make their shit hard, even thdoc just blablabla |
| 12:08.50 | f8e4 | make it f*** simple to set a simple pWM value |
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| 12:25.13 | GNU\colossus | f8e4, what's your problem? just run pwmconfig and let it figure out your ideal config. |
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| 12:37.45 | f8e4 | got it. sry man, got cucked away. just firgued, some hw thingy prevents flooring below 1000rpm via pwm, just wtf, all the garbage hw |
| 12:37.53 | f8e4 | the f* is anything running on that crap |
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| 12:38.57 | GNU\colossus | my fans spin around 500-600 RPM at normal-desktop-load-ish temperatures. inaudible at ~50cm distance (case on desk). |
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| 12:40.05 | f8e4 | good for you |
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| 12:42.23 | srged | Is there any way to disable to confirmation check for the trashed items ? |
| 12:44.52 | f8e4 | should known better buyin ASSrock stuff |
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| 12:50.56 | GNU\colossus | f8e4, my mainboard is from asrock, too ;) maybe there's some UEFI setting that messes with your fan control stuff? |
| 12:51.31 | GNU\colossus | (or your fans can't just support fewer RPM...) |
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| 14:00.42 | srged | Is there any way to disable to confirmation check for the trashed items ? |
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| 14:14.29 | yuta | I cannot connect transmission-daemon after update. |
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| 14:41.57 | quadrathoch2 | srged it depends on the file manager, but most of them yes, in the settings of that file manager |
| 14:42.12 | RoyK | yuta: what does 'systemctl status transmission-daemon.service' have to say? |
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| 14:46.20 | yuta | https://paste.debian.net/1158662/ |
| 14:46.22 | yuta | RoyK: |
| 14:46.32 | yuta | I think this is usual. |
| 14:46.36 | yuta | for me |
| 14:47.27 | yuta | Aug 02 23:46:03 raspberrypi transmission-daemon[3455]: [2020-08-02 23:46:03.836] RPC Server Unabl |
| 14:47.34 | yuta | I found this . hold on. |
| 14:47.36 | RoyK | try something like 'sudo ss -ntlp|grep transmi' |
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| 14:55.49 | yuta | I editted setting.json. because whitelist was false. |
| 14:56.11 | yuta | and I can connect transmission-daemon , but all data resets. lol RoyK |
| 14:56.13 | yuta | Thanks. |
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| 14:56.42 | yuta | This is raspbian. so a little bit strange . |
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| 15:01.09 | chaology | i noticed that there is no signature file on one of the new 10.5 live images |
| 15:01.26 | chaology | i know it's unofficial, but 10.4 had the signature |
| 15:01.32 | chaology | see: |
| 15:01.34 | chaology | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 15:02.15 | chaology | i.e. the signature on the SHA*SUMS files |
| 15:04.20 | chaology | compare that to SHA512SUMS.sign within the live version without firmware: |
| 15:04.27 | chaology | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/release/10.5.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 15:04.28 | themill | chaology: some of the signatures haven't been uploaded yet |
| 15:04.36 | chaology | themill: ah |
| 15:04.40 | chaology | thanks |
| 15:04.55 | chaology | i'll refresh the page later today |
| 15:05.33 | themill | this normally all happens at the same time but didn't for some raeson this time |
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| 15:07.55 | themill | On the upside, it's great to see that people do routinely check the sigs to be noticing that they are missing⦠|
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| 15:17.00 | yuta | RoyK: |
| 15:17.04 | yuta | LISTEN 0 128 0.0.0.0:9091 0.0.0.0:* users:(("transmission-da",pid=2481,fd=15)) |
| 15:17.23 | yuta | after I stopped transmission-daemon, still waiting. |
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| 15:21.22 | yuta | my problem thanks RoyK |
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| 15:28.42 | oxek | Which package do I need to install to get +clipboard in vim --version? |
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| 15:49.04 | ndegruchy | oxek: vim-gtk |
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| 15:49.28 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there a markdown reader somewhere in the debian packages? I found a package called markdown, but that is a text-to-html generator. |
| 15:50.00 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: Okular can read MD files (rendered) |
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| 15:50.21 | ndegruchy | Actually, scratch that |
| 15:50.26 | ndegruchy | it doesn't render |
| 15:50.50 | satousan | you mean like a reader for markdown? |
| 15:50.51 | ndegruchy | Though, the Calibre ebook reader does :D |
| 15:51.13 | satousan | calibre does, i believe it translates it first to html though |
| 15:52.37 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, what version of Okular? 1.3.2 doesn't render .md. |
| 15:53.05 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: yeah, I just realized that it just opens the raw text. |
| 15:55.24 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: some years ago i had both pandoc handling markdown files on apache and a firefox extension interpreting md files. |
| 15:55.39 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, I ask because I am getting tired of having to use online tools to see my markdown rendered. |
| 15:56.04 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, I will dive into the Firefox extensions. |
| 15:56.44 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: Many text editors, like Atom, VSCode and more will render markdown edited in it |
| 15:57.20 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, I've not heard of them until now. |
| 15:59.10 | ndegruchy | Both with render it without having to do anything else, IIRC. Depends on what you use to edit/create markdown files, there may be functionality you can take advantage of |
| 16:00.15 | oxek | ndegruchy: works, thanks |
| 16:02.08 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, well, the one add-on I thought would work didn't. Oh well, there are a couple online tools I will use. |
| 16:02.42 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, I can't seem to find that functionality in Geany. |
| 16:03.09 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: https://plugins.geany.org/markdown.html |
| 16:03.13 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena, can't remember offline usage. if it gets the correct mime-type from the server, ok. but no idea if it would recognize them by file extension |
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| 16:04.23 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, it's not available in buster. |
| 16:05.12 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, I'd have to use the stretch version or the sid version. |
| 16:05.57 | Lady_Aleena | dpkg geany-plugin-markdown |
| 16:05.58 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Lady_Aleena |
| 16:08.38 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: Well, there's that, or you could use something like `watch pandoc` and just refresh your browser, or similar. Not ideal, but also everything is included. Atom, VSCode and some other editors (I think even Emacs can 'render' markdown) |
| 16:09.09 | ndegruchy | can be installed easily enough (sorry, didn't finish that thought before sending it) |
| 16:10.08 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, that's okay. Thank you very much for giving this a good think. |
| 16:13.40 | Lady_Aleena | OMG! pandoc's man is huge! |
| 16:13.59 | EdePopede | chuckles |
| 16:14.15 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: you know what's even bigger? |
| 16:14.20 | EdePopede | pandoc's possibilities ;) |
| 16:15.02 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, I have no idea. My eyes started glazing over. I need a manual that is in a pretty format. |
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| 16:15.41 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: basically you'd want to decide what you want to produce from what. have a look at what you can use for --from and --to. and you may want to produce html5. |
| 16:16.07 | EdePopede | you can use pandoc to create a html version out of its md docs ;) |
| 16:16.21 | UncleCidd | Howdy! I've been trying to get transmission to work on my server, but continue to get denied permission. I'm not exactly sure what information to provide to aid help |
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| 16:17.41 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, no Perl POD! |
| 16:18.31 | EdePopede | --list-input-formats and pandoc --list-output-formats <-- may be a start. |
| 16:18.55 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: Pandoc is, in my opinion, a better markdown parser/generator than the original perl script and has much more output possibilities, allowing you to be portable |
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| 16:19.17 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: the nice thing is that pandoc is usually pretty simple to operate for most tasks |
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| 16:20.09 | UncleCidd | Oap, I'm finding some logs, I have a direction. |
| 16:21.16 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy and EdePopede, I didn't want to convert my markdown to something else, I just want to look at it made pretty. I will try to remember I have this if every I come across a document conversion need. Nice tool! |
| 16:21.44 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: Well, any tool is going to render it to html, first to make it look nice |
| 16:22.37 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy, so take my markdown, parse it through pandoc, then send the output to the browser. |
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| 16:24.12 | rubidious | Hello. Firefox is somehow stuck in a state where it won't refresh the screen. It displays only the tab at the top with the animated "loading" spinner. |
| 16:24.24 | Lady_Aleena | ndegruchy and EdePopede, thank you both for the help! |
| 16:24.38 | ndegruchy | Lady_Aleena: Generally, yeah. Some tools will hide this process from you, but generally most tools will render html first and present it. Unfortunately, it's a bit of a manual process in stable, but doable |
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| 16:25.04 | rubidious | I can't close firefox because I need something from one of the tabs |
| 16:27.35 | rubidious | there is nothing else going on on my computer |
| 16:27.51 | rubidious | oh this is the wrong channel |
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| 16:31.22 | EdePopede | rubidious: what about its cpu usage? doing something? |
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| 16:32.20 | rubidious | zero cpu |
| 16:32.30 | rubidious | it was downloading a file from mega.co.nz |
| 16:32.34 | EdePopede | does the interface react? clicking on tabs, on the menu.... |
| 16:32.38 | rubidious | nope |
| 16:32.42 | rubidious | I can't even see most of the screen |
| 16:32.52 | rubidious | just the tab that was selected |
| 16:33.05 | rubidious | and not even the "screen" part of that tab, just the actual tab at the top |
| 16:33.19 | EdePopede | i have such things pretty often with my low RAM and the old swap disk *g* |
| 16:33.31 | rubidious | how do you fix it? |
| 16:33.34 | EdePopede | sometimes it just takes forever, but i also had to kill it before |
| 16:33.45 | rubidious | I do occasionally have this as well but this time I can't close it |
| 16:33.59 | abrotman | if you kill it, FF should ask you to reload the tabs |
| 16:34.06 | rubidious | not in private mode.. |
| 16:34.22 | EdePopede | the question is only if it's in the same state as before, scripting can be annoying |
| 16:34.40 | rubidious | I've been down this road a few times and there is literally no way to extract the tabs you had if you're running with --no-remote -private |
| 16:34.49 | rubidious | which is what I've been doing like an idiot |
| 16:35.00 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:35.02 | rubidious | also EdePopede is right, I need somethign from the current state |
| 16:35.39 | abrotman | can you luanch the FF Task Manager? |
| 16:36.23 | rubidious | ? You mean with -P? |
| 16:36.24 | EdePopede | i also get warning sometimes about a hanging script. no problem usually to stop it if it's one from the page. but sometimes it is a chrome: url, and stopping these isn't a really good idea :> |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | FIIK .. it's availabl ein the menu |
| 16:36.58 | rubidious | can't get to the menu or anything else I think |
| 16:37.02 | rubidious | (what is FIIK?) |
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| 16:39.10 | abrotman | In the FF menu (the three horizontal lines), under More, there's a Task Manager |
| 16:39.21 | rubidious | when I go from the workspace with irc to the one with firefox, I just get the top little tab bits overlaid on the view from the previous workspace |
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| 16:47.28 | rubidious | EdePopede: what are your system specs? I've been having these performance issues for ages on 4G ram / 4G swap core2 duo machine. Do you have any tips for avoiding it? Other than not using "rich web apps"? |
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| 16:47.49 | rubidious | also firefox basically kills my system if I have more than ~40 tabs open |
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| 16:48.29 | EdePopede | 4G? you like luxury, eh? 2G here and an AMD64 X2 on a 2007 board with the sys on a 80GB barracuda. |
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| 16:50.10 | EdePopede | that's why noscript is a must-have, but svg and css also have become a problem. today's web is in big parts a slurry pit with a lot of useless and often broken bling. |
| 16:55.23 | rubidious | 2g must be hell, what's your swap size? |
| 16:55.40 | rubidious | my system is mid-range from 2006 so I feel your pain |
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| 16:55.56 | rubidious | also, I have ublock origin, privacy badger and uMatrix in that browser |
| 16:56.11 | rubidious | but you have to enable certain scripts or sites just flat out don't work these days |
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| 17:03.14 | EdePopede | 5G, but it isn't used too much. only the act of swapping is, well.. time consuming |
| 17:03.57 | EdePopede | ah, ubo here also. fun effect: at least on one site it shows me the content again blocked because of noscript |
| 17:04.46 | rubidious | I don't bother with noscript so much anymore, because it's so redundant with uMatrix |
| 17:04.50 | rubidious | but maybe I need to add it back |
| 17:05.21 | rubidious | I usually end up in the situation where I run out of ram for all my tabs, then the machine thrashes as it moves stuff from memory to swap |
| 17:05.39 | rubidious | and that will be ~10-20 minutes of frozen computer |
| 17:05.47 | EdePopede | i like to know the tools i use, noscript was rather clear from the beginning. i just don't find the time to dive into another addon of that type. |
| 17:06.37 | EdePopede | after browser starts i try to keep JS usage as low as possible for as long as possible |
| 17:07.20 | EdePopede | my best bet would probably be to grab some APIs and create usable web UIs on my own apache with their JSON |
| 17:07.20 | rubidious | umatrix is nice because you can enable certain scripts for certain sites |
| 17:07.30 | EdePopede | ah sounds good |
| 17:07.42 | rubidious | very simple ui as well |
| 17:07.56 | rubidious | (it's a matrix!) |
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| 17:11.46 | rubidious | I'm due for a new machine but I'm trying to wait for prices to go down a bit |
| 17:11.57 | rubidious | hopefully after the next gen stuff comes out the current gen will be cheaper |
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| 17:12.17 | dvs | rubidious, next gen of what? |
| 17:12.23 | rubidious | but at this rate I'm going to throw my computer across the room before too long |
| 17:12.30 | rubidious | dvs: GPU/CPUs |
| 17:12.38 | dvs | from whom? |
| 17:13.09 | rubidious | RTX 3000 series and AMD Big Navi are due out in the next few months. AMD Zen 3 is due by November I think |
| 17:13.32 | dvs | AMD. Ok. |
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| 17:13.45 | dvs | because Intel's just came out. |
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| 17:14.04 | rubidious | 11th gen? |
| 17:14.19 | dvs | no, 10th. I'd still consider that new. |
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| 17:14.37 | rubidious | ah |
| 17:14.44 | rubidious | well it's tough to make an argument for intel these days |
| 17:14.57 | dvs | rubidious, actually, you have to be careful with Linux and the absolute newest hardware. The kernel may not be compatible with it yet. |
| 17:15.19 | dvs | rubidious, but the Ryzen 3000 stuff seams to work fine. |
| 17:15.39 | rubidious | yes never buy new |
| 17:15.50 | rubidious | usually 1 gen behind is fine |
| 17:16.22 | rubidious | next build I'm hoping to do VFIO |
| 17:16.31 | rubidious | w/ GPU passthrough |
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| 17:36.31 | cheapie | OK, so I have Debian installed on my laptop here, which has a QCA6174 NIC (one of the ath10k_pci ones), and while networking does work fine, is there some way to make it connect a little faster after it boots? As-is, it takes about 10 seconds from the time I get to the desktop until I have a working network connection. |
| 17:37.05 | cheapie | 10 seconds isn't a big deal, so if that's just the way it is then that's fine, but if there's a way to speed that up then I'd like to do so. |
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| 18:03.59 | f8e4 | hey |
| 18:04.03 | f8e4 | anyonbe using snap? |
| 18:04.13 | f8e4 | my apps are all 'broken' it says |
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| 18:22.34 | ratrace | f8e4: I checked it out on debian (after using extensively on ubuntu) once last year, for pycharm. it worked for me. define "broken" |
| 18:23.24 | oxek | Is there a way of getting a list of every package that exists in buster-backports? |
| 18:24.08 | Allainn | Hello. Have someone an idea about this ? The file is not copying, just see an echo command placed in the /etc/bash.bashrc of the remote computer. I have no problem to connect with ssh. The command is: "~/$ scp filename.ext alain@192.168.1.71:/home/alain |
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| 18:24.48 | f8e4 | ratrace nice, mine crashes all the time, pycharm-community 2020.2 |
| 18:25.06 | ratrace | oxek: /var/lib/apt/lists/* maybe |
| 18:25.11 | f8e4 | wonder if a direct tar.gz install will help? |
| 18:25.27 | f8e4 | should i dare to direct install? |
| 18:25.31 | ratrace | f8e4: I'm not using the snap any more, I install the upstream tarball into /opt |
| 18:25.48 | ratrace | (because it works and doesn't justify using a snap) |
| 18:25.49 | f8e4 | i am getting upset with snap too |
| 18:27.31 | f8e4 | ratrace lol , just untar and ./..sh, nice |
| 18:27.37 | ratrace | f8e4: is there any log or output when it crashes? don't forget you can run it from the command line |
| 18:28.07 | f8e4 | jre: # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00007fc3289d91da, pid=29851, tid=29859 |
| 18:28.08 | ratrace | f8e4: indeed, the upstream tarball JustWorks(tm) out of the box, unpack, plug and play. |
| 18:28.28 | jmcnaught | oxek: try "aptitude search ~Vbpo" |
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| 18:28.41 | oxek | ratrace: awk '/Package/ { print $2 }' /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 18:29.09 | oxek | I think it works |
| 18:30.15 | ratrace | f8e4: you could file a bug report upstream (ubuntu's LP). snaps are supposed to work on any distro that supports running snapd, so filing a bug that it segfaults on debian, should be "on topic" |
| 18:30.41 | oxek | jmcnaught: that gives me results that are not in backports too |
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| 18:31.07 | ratrace | and inb4 they say "report to debian".... uhh no. debian's responsibility is to install and run snapd. individual snaps crashing is upstream's responsibility, that's the whole point of it. |
| 18:31.46 | oxek | ratrace: they'll say 'report to debian' because it does not crash on their ubuntu systems |
| 18:32.04 | GNU\colossus | running snapd is anyone's burden - not their responsibility. |
| 18:32.10 | ratrace | oxek: which goes against their concepts of distro-portable run-anywhere snaps. |
| 18:33.21 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: well, I mean, if a distro chooses to support the package, then it's a responsibility :) |
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| 18:34.06 | oxek | ratrace: that's what they say publicly, but reality is that they just want a simpler package manager for ubuntu server |
| 18:34.27 | oxek | has debian weighed in on snap vs flatpak? |
| 18:34.37 | ratrace | oxek: no, they want to cut out the maintainership burden and have vendors package up stuff themselves. |
| 18:34.55 | ratrace | oxek: there is no "vs" there. neither replaces, or ever will replace, apt and .debs |
| 18:35.55 | oxek | of course it will not replace deb & apt, but that's not what I claimed. I am just interested if anyone knows whether debian has expressed any sort of preference in terms of snap vs flatpak |
| 18:36.40 | jmcnaught | oxek: "aptitude -t buster-backports -F'%p %V' search ~Vbpo | wc -l" returns the same 4469 for me as without -t buster-backports, the difference seems to be which candidate version is shown. |
| 18:37.02 | ratrace | oxek: preference for what? why not both and let users use what they want? |
| 18:37.45 | oxek | ratrace: fair point |
| 18:38.20 | oxek | jmcnaught: I'm trying to understand the output now |
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| 18:39.02 | ratrace | oxek: the problem is not so much with preference as it is with feasibility. snaps are "more native" than flatpaks on debian because debian now defaults to supporting apparmor out of the box. flatpaks containment requires selinux. |
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| 18:39.54 | jmcnaught | oxek: all backports packages have 'bpo' in the version string, so searching with aptitude's ?version(bpo) will list all packages that have a version available with 'bpo' in their version string. |
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| 18:41.44 | oxek | jmcnaught: that's a great observation, thank you. |
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| 18:56.06 | f8e4 | how to configure the screen lock? |
| 18:56.08 | f8e4 | xfce4 |
| 18:57.27 | oxek | f8e4: what would you like to configure about it? |
| 18:57.36 | f8e4 | enable + timeout |
| 18:57.55 | oxek | Power Manager |
| 18:59.20 | oxek | it'll be in the last tab, Security |
| 18:59.34 | f8e4 | can i increase the timeout, 6 hourse til lock |
| 18:59.46 | f8e4 | the blank after is 60min only |
| 19:00.38 | oxek | It says 'When the screensaver is activated', so if you set your screensaver after 6 hours it should work |
| 19:01.20 | f8e4 | i have a pure blank installation no screensaver |
| 19:01.33 | f8e4 | where to put display blank (this when it goes lock) |
| 19:01.41 | f8e4 | i can only set max 60min |
| 19:02.07 | oxek | that's above my knowledge, perhaps someone else will know |
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| 19:02.38 | sney | sounds like you probably want to install xscreensaver and run xscreensaver-demo to configure it |
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| 19:03.31 | oxek | I never found automatic screen locking to be reliable anyway |
| 19:04.18 | oxek | the suspend functionality still does not work reliably either - I often see computers resume from sleep, show the last running app, and after a few seconds lock the screen |
| 19:04.36 | oxek | (even though the settings say to lock before suspend) |
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| 19:44.31 | quadrathoch2 | is there another IRC log, as the one dpkg gives me doesn't work for me (404) |
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| 19:46.59 | abrotman | quadrathoch2: what are you looking for? |
| 19:47.31 | quadrathoch2 | eh, some logs, as I wasn't sure if I helped somebody out in the last few days. and my own client is kinda crappy to look for old stuff |
| 19:48.40 | obiwahn | hi |
| 19:48.58 | obiwahn | what do i need to do to disable ipv6 in a vm completly? |
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| 19:51.43 | obiwahn | I have an application that is started as a plugin from a php webpage. |
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| 19:52.17 | obiwahn | and it uses ipv6 while my bridges and all the suff is just configured for ipv4 |
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| 19:54.02 | obiwahn | I have tried /etc/sysctl.conf and ipv6.disable=1 in grub. |
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| 20:11.28 | Allainn | obiwahn, check this one ? https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/debian/how-to-disable-ipv6-on-debian-9-ubuntu-16-04.html |
| 20:11.40 | obiwahn | I manged to do that |
| 20:11.52 | obiwahn | But now the app refueses to start:( |
| 20:12.09 | obiwahn | I guess I need to read php code:P |
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| 20:15.18 | oxek | ,v testssl.sh |
| 20:15.19 | judd | Package: testssl.sh on amd64 -- stretch: 2.8~rc3+dfsg1-1; buster: 2.9.5-7+dfsg1-2; buster-backports: 3.0.2+dfsg1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0.2+dfsg1-3; sid: 3.0.2+dfsg1-3 |
| 20:15.42 | oxek | the version in backports depends on packages that don't exist in backports |
| 20:15.47 | oxek | does that mean the package is broken? |
| 20:16.29 | sney | bpo packages should only depend on stable and other bpo packages, yes |
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| 20:17.11 | oxek | ,depends testssl.sh --release buster-backports |
| 20:17.12 | judd | Package testssl.sh in buster-backports/amd64 -- depends: openssl (>= 1), bsdextrautils, procps, dnsutils. |
| 20:17.17 | oxek | ,v bsdextrautils |
| 20:17.18 | judd | Package: bsdextrautils on amd64 -- bullseye: 2.36-1; sid: 2.36-2 |
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| 20:18.16 | sney | huh, weird. tracker says that comes from util-linux source which is in stable otherwise |
| 20:18.55 | oxek | it is all sorts of weird |
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| 20:19.06 | sney | definitely a bug, anyway |
| 20:19.49 | oxek | it's probably because bsdmainutils is turned into a transitional package in bullseye |
| 20:20.01 | sney | aha: bsdextrautils only became part of util-linux at version 2.35.2-3, which is newer than 2.33 in buster. https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/u/util-linux/changelog-2.36-1 |
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| 20:20.41 | oxek | I'm trying to gather useful info before making a bugreport |
| 20:20.41 | sney | when the maintainer rebuilt the bullseye package for bpo, they must not have tested installing it on a normal stable vm. bad maintainer, no cookie. |
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| 20:21.08 | sney | the testssl.sh maintainer, that is. |
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| 21:26.14 | mrwebmaster | whats the best way to create a 1:1 backup copy of my drive so I can just plug it in via a usb adapter and boot my backup if I need to? |
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| 21:30.28 | sney | 2-bay duplicator |
| 21:33.18 | n4dir | i'd say simply rsync |
| 21:33.19 | UncleCidd | the duplicator can be the adapter too |
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| 21:34.22 | mrwebmaster | Id need to pull out my drive and put it in slot 1 of that duplicator right? and my computer would run like that? |
| 21:34.37 | mrwebmaster | and slot 2 would be the backup? or? im confused I think |
| 21:35.05 | RoyK | n4dir: agreed. a duplicator on a live filesystem will probably lead to corruption on the target |
| 21:35.34 | RoyK | n4dir: or at least "inconsistencies" |
| 21:35.38 | sney | if you can't have downtime, then something in software is your only option, yeah |
| 21:36.01 | nvz | idk what you're referring to but I have a USB3 Dock/Duplicator here and when attached to the PC its nothing more than two USB3 disks.. the duplicator only works when its not hooked to the PC |
| 21:36.16 | n4dir | RoyK: i didn't even think about problems with other solutions. Just said that i had good experience with rsync. |
| 21:36.45 | n4dir | or wanted to say ... |
| 21:38.07 | mrwebmaster | ill look into rsync thanks |
| 21:38.39 | n4dir | mrwebmaster: don't take my word for it. There might well be other/better solutions. The arch wiki has the command for a full system backup |
| 21:39.06 | n4dir | but there is a bit of extra work. Editing fstab and such. No biggies, but it is a bit more than that one command to make it "boot" |
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| 21:41.54 | mrwebmaster | extra work with rsync or the arch linux solution? |
| 21:42.53 | n4dir | no, to make it boot. I recall a) reinstalling grub b) editing fstab (of the backup) and c) something with then network-interface, i forgot (only valid if you use it on a different machine, iirc, been ages) |
| 21:44.16 | mrwebmaster | right cause you're booting okay. i get it |
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| 21:44.44 | n4dir | keep it in the back of your head, but perhaps wait for better answers. |
| 21:45.19 | mrwebmaster | Couldn't I preconfigure a file? Or will it be assigned a different location if my primary goes dead? |
| 21:46.23 | n4dir | fstab ? |
| 21:52.56 | mrwebmaster | yeah |
| 21:53.36 | n4dir | i guess you could do the first backup, edit it once, then add /etc/fstab to the excludes list of the rsync command. |
| 21:53.58 | n4dir | blkid is the command for the UUID of the partition. |
| 21:54.36 | n4dir | (again: don't take my word for it) |
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| 21:58.07 | n4dir | now i think the other file might have been in /etc/udev/rules.d; but on this machine that folder is empty. |
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| 22:08.46 | mrwebmaster | thanks i'll figure this out |
| 22:21.08 | oxek | when I run 'apt upgrade', it fails with "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" with a list of packages. How can I get apt to ignore this issue and upgrade everything else? |
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