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| 01:35.17 | warsoul | how i open port 113 |
| 01:35.58 | warsoul | just installed oidentd |
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| 01:43.05 | quadrathoch2 | warsoul it should be open, as no firewall is active by default |
| 01:43.41 | warsoul | why i keep connecting to irc with (~warsoul@* |
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| 02:04.31 | genr8_ | forget about that |
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| 02:05.57 | jim | a line from apt list --upgradable: "ark/stable 4:18.08.3-1+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 4:18.08.3-1]", would someone give me a quick hand reading it? |
| 02:06.42 | jim | what's ark? the packagename? |
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| 02:08.34 | quadrathoch2 | jim <packagename>/<release> <version> <arch> if you mean it like that? idk |
| 02:08.58 | jim | yeah |
| 02:09.43 | jim | <version> is the version it is now (at the time apt list --upgradable was run)? |
| 02:10.03 | quadrathoch2 | yeah, the one you have installed |
| 02:10.13 | jim | sec |
| 02:11.13 | jmcnaught | The current version of the package is where it says "upgradable from:" |
| 02:11.15 | quadrathoch2 | argh, the one it wants to install the one you have is in [] |
| 02:11.21 | quadrathoch2 | yeah :/ |
| 02:11.51 | jim | oh ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 02:12.15 | quadrathoch2 | sorry here it's 4am :( |
| 02:14.14 | jim | no worries, appreciate the help |
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| 02:16.51 | jim | is linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86 the compiler used to compile the kernel? |
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| 02:21.27 | quadrathoch2 | debian tells me it's gcc-8 |
| 02:21.51 | dvs | seyonce? |
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| 02:40.10 | brachamh_ | question: why does /etc/profile show two possible PATH environments? |
| 02:42.09 | sney | brachamh_: the top one is for root. |
| 02:42.20 | sney | the if statement regarding `id -u` checks that |
| 02:43.04 | brachamh_ | ok but why the difference? |
| 02:43.50 | sney | because historically, system administration utilities would be in /sbin or /usr/sbin, and root is the only user that would have a reason to have them in the PATH |
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| 02:46.07 | sney | this is still mostly true, btw. there's some stuff (ifconfig, modinfo) that can be relevant for a normal user in some situations, but in general, sbin stuff is root's department |
| 02:47.52 | brachamh_ | ok fair enough. and debian is still old school where root user is initially set up, sudo isn't initially installed. i started with ubuntu which initially doesn't set up the root user and instead seems to prefer the primary user uses sudo. |
| 02:48.51 | quadrathoch2 | brachamh_ sudo gets installed by default when you don't create a root password |
| 02:49.13 | sney | yeah, the installer explains this choice to you |
| 02:49.24 | sney | it's pretty clear imo but some people just don't read |
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| 02:49.27 | brachamh_ | ah ok. apparently i missed that explanation lol |
| 02:49.53 | brachamh_ | ubuntu doesn't even give the option to set up a root password, you have to do it manually after install. |
| 02:49.58 | brachamh_ | so that's where i came from. |
| 02:50.09 | sney | generally, debian assumes that you know what you're doing, and can read the prompts and make informed choices. this is everywhere, not just in the installer |
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| 02:51.21 | brachamh_ | for sure. i know more than i knew several months ago, but i'm still learning, that's for sure! |
| 02:51.32 | sney | ubuntu's attitude with sudo as the "magical give me what I want" button is what led to the proliferation of sudo in howto articles, where in the past they would just say "you should be root for the following" or indicate it with # |
| 02:52.02 | sney | and it's why you didn't know the difference between the two PATH variables. |
| 02:52.16 | sney | mutters something about learning curves |
| 02:53.37 | brachamh_ | no i figured the difference between the two PATH variables, i just didn't know WHY there were two |
| 02:54.33 | sney | that's what I mean. if you use sudo any time you get a 'not found' or 'permission denied' without knowing why, then you're missing out on understanding *nix privilege separation. which is pretty dang fundamental. thanks, canonical. |
| 02:54.59 | brachamh_ | oh ok i see |
| 02:56.52 | sney | !fhs |
| 02:56.52 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 02:57.08 | brachamh_ | eh, ubuntu gave me an easy start. and a big reason i'm with debian now is simply because ubuntu is based from debian, so instead of learning a bunch of different stuff again for a different distro (arch, fedora, etc), i figured i'd stick with debian. |
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| 03:01.38 | jim | hi, I'm having dpkg/apt problems with a recent upgrade... here's the whole run (cmd at top): https://termbin.com/nqs3 |
| 03:01.43 | jim | !bat |
| 03:01.43 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:01.53 | jim | I'll get you the rest in a bit |
| 03:02.56 | jmcnaught | jim: "Consult /var/lib/dkms/spl/0.7.12/build/make.log for more information." that file's probably relevant too. |
| 03:04.04 | jim | ok, here it comes |
| 03:05.41 | jim | https://termbin.com/xqiy <-- here is /var/lib/dkms/spl/0.7.12/build/make.log,,, what else do you need? |
| 03:07.04 | jmcnaught | jim: from your first paste it appears that the issue is this spl-dkms module is failing to compile which stops everything. So why doesn't it compile? What's that for anyways? |
| 03:07.50 | jim | no idea :) which means I probably don't need it? |
| 03:08.30 | jim | that also means my apt upgrade is in an unfinished state? |
| 03:09.39 | jmcnaught | It did not finish upgrading. |
| 03:09.48 | jim | any !bat says apt-cache policy too, so here that is too: https://termbin.com/absms |
| 03:10.14 | jim | I keep forgetting to cat -n |
| 03:11.22 | jim | so you want also apt-cache policy spl spl-dkms |
| 03:12.02 | jmcnaught | I don't think that you have package conflicts, you have a dkms package that is failing to build. |
| 03:13.06 | jim | https://termbin.com/absms <-- apt-cache policy spl spl-dkms |
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| 03:13.22 | themill | jim: do you have linux-headers-5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and linux-kbuild-5.4 installed? |
| 03:13.31 | jim | could it be I don't have the right headers installed? |
| 03:13.39 | jim | themill, sec |
| 03:14.38 | jim | linux-headers-5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 is... |
| 03:15.29 | jim | ...and linux-kbuild-5.4 is too |
| 03:15.45 | quadrathoch2 | jim, hm https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/spl |
| 03:16.06 | themill | quadrathoch2: that's not relevant |
| 03:16.10 | themill | jim: It might be that spl-dkms is also needed from backports |
| 03:16.28 | jim | is spl from backports? |
| 03:16.44 | themill | jim: you're the one who knows that |
| 03:16.47 | themill | quadrathoch2: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/spl-linux |
| 03:16.56 | quadrathoch2 | thanks :) themill |
| 03:17.11 | themill | or actually https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/zfs-linux |
| 03:18.59 | jim | so spl is about zfs? |
| 03:19.14 | jim | I don't presently have any such mounts |
| 03:20.53 | jim | could I just get rid of all that? |
| 03:21.03 | themill | if you know you don't need it, yes |
| 03:21.38 | jim | I don't presently need it... I dunno that I'll ever use zfs as of this moment |
| 03:21.59 | jim | I think I got curious about it once |
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| 03:26.34 | jim | got spl-dkms from backports... |
| 03:26.52 | jim | apt list-changes said in part... |
| 03:27.28 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.20 | themill | hah |
| 03:30.54 | themill | you also now have zfs-dkms from buster-backports, however |
| 03:31.23 | themill | (or at least, you should...) |
| 03:33.56 | jim | probably... here's another thing I did (command at top): https://termbin.com/j2z5 |
| 03:34.19 | jim | (some error happened, more details near bottom) |
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| 03:40.24 | themill | jim: just try "apt-get -f install" it looks like it's related to the order of building the module and starting the service |
| 03:40.40 | jim | ok |
| 03:41.48 | jim | apt-get -f install 2>&1 | nc termbin or run it and copy/paste output (maybe preferred due to order) |
| 03:41.53 | jim | ? |
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| 03:49.12 | jim | themill, no errors in that run, output: https://termbin.com/adrj |
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| 03:51.38 | jim | also, there are quite a few packages that didn't get upgraded in the previous runs (but for which I have packages from an apt -d run) |
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| 03:54.51 | jim | themill or *, do you think I should continue the upgrade? |
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| 04:11.08 | Abrax | hi |
| 04:11.15 | Abrax | how do i change the -bash path to a file |
| 04:11.28 | Abrax | i am looking in my .bashrc and nothing like that there |
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| 04:19.44 | jim | Abrax, a little confused... what is it you want to do? (normally the execution path (in $PATH) is a colon-separated list of -directories-, not files) |
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| 04:22.36 | Abrax | -bash: -bash:: command not found |
| 04:22.36 | Abrax | zuberlan@hwsrv-497897://home/zuberlan$ |
| 04:22.44 | Abrax | how do i change the path in bash |
| 04:22.50 | Abrax | to the right place |
| 04:23.07 | Abrax | i mean |
| 04:23.09 | Abrax | -bash: /usr/bin/sopel: No such file or directory |
| 04:23.19 | Abrax | its supposed to be /usr/local/bin/sopel |
| 04:23.27 | Abrax | but when i type sopel it goes to wrong place |
| 04:23.28 | jim | try: hash -r |
| 04:23.54 | Abrax | that will take you to the file to change it? |
| 04:24.21 | jim | no, it will update the shell's idea of where things are |
| 04:24.35 | jim | possibly by reading $PATH |
| 04:24.49 | jim | won't change anything on disk |
| 04:25.27 | Abrax | k |
| 04:25.32 | Abrax | let see if that works |
| 04:25.59 | jim | also, could you run: echo "==$PATH" and paste that here |
| 04:26.30 | Abrax | ah that worked nice |
| 04:26.44 | jim | everything good? |
| 04:26.47 | Abrax | ya |
| 04:26.52 | jim | cool |
| 04:27.00 | Abrax | good to know you can hash -r whenever you need path updates |
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| 05:00.02 | jim | Abrax, usually, you need it when you move an executable, or you change $PATH |
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| 07:02.29 | miskatonic | why does xorg depend on udev? |
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| 07:12.32 | ratrace | miskatonic: for input devices? |
| 07:13.34 | ratrace | though pretty much everything depends, directly or indirectly, on (a) udev (implementation) |
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| 07:15.19 | miskatonic | the only other thing depending on my installation is initramsftools. When I shutdown udevd at runtime, nothing bad happens |
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| 07:17.08 | ratrace | but why would you do that? it manages /dev and devices |
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| 07:46.44 | EdePopede | i've just seen libcurl3 is [ jessie ] [ stretch ] [ sid ] and libcurl4 is [ buster ] [ bullseye ] [ sid ]. with libcurl3/sid not pointing to the source code in the header anymore. any pointer to what this transition actually is? |
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| 07:48.16 | Haohmaru | ,v libnewlib-arm-none-eabi |
| 07:48.18 | judd | Package: libnewlib-arm-none-eabi on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.0+git20140818.1a8323b-2; stretch: 2.4.0.20160527-2; buster: 3.1.0.20181231-1; bullseye: 3.3.0-1; sid: 3.3.0-1 |
| 07:51.48 | themill | EdePopede: the transition is over, you can see that the only places where libcurl3 is still in use aren't actually in Debian but over in debports |
| 07:53.20 | EdePopede | themill: yeah, was just curious about the change, and generally where to get info what's happening in such cases. and then having numbers as part of the base name still confuses me. maybe just looks weird to me. |
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| 07:53.56 | themill | that's the library sover -- it's an API and ABI tracking device |
| 07:54.00 | themill | !soname |
| 07:54.00 | dpkg | methinks soname is a version number by shared libraries used to refer to the binary compatibility of a shared library's api. when the api changes in such a way as to potentially require code changes by clients of the library, the soname changes. also see the Debian Shared Library Packagin guide: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#sonameapiabi |
| 07:54.39 | EdePopede | ah thanks |
| 08:00.35 | themill | (That particular package doesn't even exist on debports at this stage, a little cleaning to be done) |
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| 08:05.35 | EdePopede | shouldn't be more than running a script i hope |
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| 08:08.50 | themill | Data are cached, so it's probably more a matter of deleting out the old Packages files |
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| 08:27.26 | otisolsen70 | I am using backupninja for remote system backup. However, backupninja seems to rely on paramiko which does not support modern SSH keyexchange algorithms. Is there any way to fix this? Or even to not have it use paramiko but use openssh directly? |
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| 08:53.41 | ksk | ,info backupninja |
| 08:53.43 | judd | Package backupninja (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: lightweight, extensible meta-backup system. Version: 1.1.0-2.1; Size: 95.0k; Installed: 355k; Homepage: https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/backupninja |
| 08:55.41 | ksk | otisolsen70: I dont know said package, but it mentions having many "backup handlers" and one is rsync, another duplicity. I would just expect it to not care about the transport layer.. |
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| 08:57.07 | ksk | ..and looking at paramiko I dont get the impression that it is outdated, or would not support recent cipersuits. |
| 08:57.11 | ksk | How do you come to that conclusion? |
| 08:58.59 | otisolsen70 | ksk, me too, but it does. Because it uploads some backup reports, etc. to the backup destination server and it seems to use paramiko for that |
| 08:59.42 | otisolsen70 | ksk, I get that impression because it keeps failing on KEX. And google seems to confirm that it does not support various more secure KEX. AND that it has been a problem for a very long time. |
| 08:59.53 | otisolsen70 | ksk, let me see if I can find some links / bug reports. |
| 09:00.13 | ksk | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31298529/python-paramiko-determine-what-ciphers-and-key-exchange-algorithms-are-availab see second answer on here to determine supported KEXes |
| 09:00.45 | otisolsen70 | ksk, this is from the sshd log on the remote backup server. This is the list of KEX offered by paramiko: o matching key exchange method found. Their offer: ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 |
| 09:01.29 | otisolsen70 | So lets remove all DH, SHA1 and EC on NIST curves. And nothing is left. |
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| 09:03.55 | otisolsen70 | ksk, tried what is suggested in the link and it provides the same list as above |
| 09:04.19 | otisolsen70 | This is on debian 10.5 |
| 09:04.32 | ksk | I see. Sorry I am not that deep into crypto to tell you anything useful at that point. |
| 09:05.30 | otisolsen70 | ksk, I think it does not really require crypto knowledge, as I am not trying to "fix" paramiko into supporting more crypto. The issue is more about if it is possible to have backupninja NOT use paramiko. |
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| 09:06.01 | ksk | which then requires backupninja knowlege, which I also do not have :P |
| 09:06.03 | otisolsen70 | I actually find it rather odd that backupninja even relies on paramiko instead of just using ssh. |
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| 09:06.22 | ksk | If that is a python software, I would expect it to use it the python ssh lib paramiko - and that you cannot change that easily.. |
| 09:06.32 | otisolsen70 | ksk, sure, I totally understand. However, backupninja seems to be a debian centric project, so I was hoping someone in here could help |
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| 09:07.49 | otisolsen70 | ksk, it does everything else using ssh and not paramiko. E.g. rsync'ing stuff, etc. It seems to be only for one specific handler it uses paramiko and it does not seem possible to avoid using that - or maybe it is but I have not figured out how to. |
| 09:08.30 | ksk | there seems to be #paramiko on this network. |
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| 09:11.20 | shreerama | hi my oracle 11g installer halts at linking libraries please help |
| 09:12.00 | ksk | shreerama: same answer as in ##linux: contact oracle? |
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| 09:20.15 | freenoodle | on current Debian bullseye, when I plug in a USB device, I see the kernel message "Device is not authorized for usage", and the device in fact isn't usable until I manually change the authorized state in /sys. What's going on there? Have some udev rules changed? This isn't how it is supposed to be, is it? |
| 09:20.58 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 09:20.58 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 09:21.21 | freenoodle | ksk, thanks |
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| 11:05.53 | dvs | !wb |
| 11:05.55 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:24.58 | CommunistWolf | hmm, fwupdmgr / gnome-software is failing to update firmware on my T470p because there is no /sys/block/nvme0n1/device/driver link . I think that's meant to be a symlink to /sys/bus/..../driver but it just isn't there. anyone know what I need to do? |
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| 12:32.03 | fromhell | hallo some one here ? |
| 12:32.09 | ksk | !ask |
| 12:32.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:32.37 | fromhell | ksk, hallo, can i make that, when i adduser automaticly generate password |
| 12:32.39 | fromhell | ? |
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| 12:33.26 | ksk | not without utilizing a framework which does privion your debian system (config-managment: salt, puppet, chef, ansible and the likeS) |
| 12:33.31 | ksk | *provision |
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| 12:34.00 | ksk | If you instead just want to genrate a random password and give that to adduser, you can utilise the "pwgen" utility. |
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| 12:37.41 | fromhell | ksk thank |
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| 13:14.07 | welpo | After upgrading from Debian 9 to 10, my network eth0 goes down after 24h. In /var/log/syslog I found this apparently relevant bit: "Aug 4 14:36:11 server ntpd[490]: Deleting interface #3 eth0, XY.ZX.YZX.YZ#123, interface stats: received=1052, sent=1086, dropped=0, active_time=86402 secs" |
| 13:14.50 | welpo | if I log in via console (it's a VPS) and run "ifup eth0", it goes back up. however, that command returns "/etc/network/if-up.d/iptables: 2: /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables: cannot open /etc/firewall.conf: No such file" and "run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables exited with return code 2" |
| 13:15.33 | welpo | Finally, it ends with "ifup: failed to bring up eth0". I'm not sure this is related. I'd appreciate any help in troubleshooting this. I don't know whether I'm supposed to have a "/etc/network/if-up.d/iptables" file or not. I did not remove it |
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| 13:51.07 | Lope | I'm running Debian on a standard 4.19 kernel on an Intel i5 4th gen. I find it very surprising that in linux "the land of choices" there are only 2 governors available: performance and powersave. (no ondemand governor) weird? |
| 13:51.17 | Lope | Debian 10 buster |
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| 13:59.12 | ksk | welpo: imho that is just ntpd noticing that the device is down, and so it stops binding to the IP that was on that interface. |
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| 13:59.48 | ksk | welpo: sounds a little bit like your provider gave you a broken image - I would contact them. |
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| 14:01.38 | Lope | Interestingly I've overclocked my CPU with different multipliers per core (some cores can handle a few hundred MHz less than others) but cpufrequtils only has one parameter for MAX_SPEED. However it seems I can manually write a max freq to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu${coreNumber}/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq which I do after restarting cpufrequtils. |
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| 14:03.17 | Lope | Another weird thing is when i do `grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo the CPU frequencies are very random numbers. I thought they would be 100* the multiplier, yielding numbers like 4000mhz, 4100mhz 4200mhz and so on? not like 1603.924 Mhz ? |
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| 14:05.35 | arbogt | if you hit up-enter a few times, you may notice it reflects different speeds each time. This would reflect an in-the-moment clock speed per core. |
| 14:06.42 | arbogt | like a car, you have all the horsepower available, but your machine doesn't push it to redlines all the time. |
| 14:06.53 | Lope | The reason I updated scaling_max_freq is because the grep above reported that my slow cores were running faster than I know they're stable at, after I had *only* set MAX_SPEED in cpufrequtils and saw the scaling_max_freq for the slow cores was that max speed, which is not their individual max, speed as set by the multiplier in the BIOS. |
| 14:07.02 | arbogt | do a burn test by calculating pi or something and do it some more, watch the numbers get bigger |
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| 14:07.35 | ksk | Lope: that is more something for ##hardware, but to give some insights: Modern CPUs have boost clocks, you do not overclock them by giving a static clock |
| 14:07.47 | ksk | you can of course, but that will lower your overall results most of times.. |
| 14:07.58 | Lope | arbogt, my question about weird clock speeds is regarding how clock speeds occur, which is supposedly 100 * multiplier. |
| 14:08.09 | Lope | which means you can't get weird numbers. |
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| 14:08.25 | ksk | They occour as the CPU sees fit - based on powertarget and temps ;) |
| 14:08.40 | ksk | no, it is not, if you are not talking about a 20 year old P4. |
| 14:08.49 | welpo | @ksk: thanks. i installed a debian8 image 3 years ago, ugpraded to 9 myself, and just a few days ago i upgraded to 10 and this issue appeared. could this be related? https://askubuntu.com/a/816684 |
| 14:08.56 | Lope | ksk, my CPU is not modern, it's from 2013ish. i5 4th gen. I've set per core multipliers in the BIOS. |
| 14:09.23 | Lope | when I disable speedstep they all run at those freqs. With speedstep enabled, they can run slower if there's light load. |
| 14:09.35 | ksk | it will still most likely not have these clocks all the time. use the web to read up on how overclocking works for your CPU. |
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| 14:11.46 | Lope | I do get roughly the max speeds but they're still weird numbers. like one core will be 4468.179MHz at the same time that another core is 4467.304MHz that would not be possible based on the architecture of base clock (100) * multiplier |
| 14:12.18 | Lope | the multipliers offered in the BIOS are integers from 8 to 60 or whatever. |
| 14:13.38 | Lope | even if the base clock is not exactly 100MHz, if it's like 99MHz or something (CPUID reports 99.something) that still would not make it possible for 2 cores to have those weird discreprancies on a single `grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo` command. |
| 14:13.47 | Lope | and giving those weird numbers. |
| 14:15.18 | ksk | You can of course just ignore everything I said and just keep posting :) |
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| 14:19.37 | krion | hello, trying to upgrade my system only against security.debian.org. tried some value for APT::Default-Release with no luck |
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| 14:24.38 | ksk | krion: pardon? security.d.o only contains security fixed packages, and is no replacement for the normal mirrors. |
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| 14:26.51 | icypee | Hey I installed Nvidia drivers on my debian system and now when I boot up it says |
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| 14:27.11 | icypee | failed to start nvidia persistence daemon |
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| 14:27.22 | welpo | i am trying to disable the rule "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules". i cant move it with root. what's the proper way to do it? i could change permissions but that doesn't sound like the right way to do it |
| 14:27.22 | icypee | Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:27.43 | icypee | I also disabled secure boot and that didn't help |
| 14:27.49 | krion | ksk: politics here are to hold on a determined dot release and only apply security fix |
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| 14:29.04 | ksk | krion: but that is already debian stable its policy; stable means not changing.. |
| 14:29.41 | ksk | So, apart from maybe chromium and some other "need to be recent AF software", you will always only get security updates in debian anways. |
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| 14:30.09 | ksk | !stable |
| 14:30.09 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 14:37.39 | dvs | welpo, It could be the permissions on the mount point itself. |
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| 14:42.01 | welpo | dvs: what does that mean? the permissions for the file are listed as "-rw-r--r--" and i have no issues removing/modifying files with those permissions |
| 14:42.28 | greycat | Removing a file uses the permissions of the directory it's in, NOT of the file itself. |
| 14:43.42 | welpo | I did not know that. The directory permissions are "drwxr-xr-x". Again, I have no issues removing/creating/modifying directories with these permissions |
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| 14:46.20 | dvs | welpo, What does "findmnt /" say? That could be read-only |
| 14:46.37 | dvs | which would be really bad. |
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| 14:47.33 | welpo | dvs: / /dev/vda1 ext4 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro |
| 14:47.39 | dvs | ok |
| 14:47.51 | dvs | Oh, is this in a VM? |
| 14:47.54 | welpo | yes |
| 14:48.18 | dvs | ok, I haven't worked with VMs so I don't much about them. |
| 14:49.03 | welpo | alright, thanks for trying anyway |
| 14:49.15 | dvs | np |
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| 15:31.34 | icypee | hello |
| 15:31.46 | icypee | i installed volumeicon-alsa |
| 15:31.52 | icypee | and it won't control my audio |
| 15:32.12 | icypee | like audio will play but volumeicon-alsa won't control anything |
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| 15:37.36 | towo` | icypee, maybe because your system is using pulseaudio? |
| 15:38.27 | icypee | what should i install to control pulseaudio then? |
| 15:38.42 | greycat | pavucontrol |
| 15:38.52 | towo` | ^^ for example |
| 15:38.56 | icypee | but i want something in my system tray |
| 15:38.59 | icypee | on icewm |
| 15:40.35 | icypee | is there something that can control pulseaudio from the tray? |
| 15:45.52 | greycat | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Graphical |
| 15:46.28 | greycat | or whatever other google result you wish to pursue |
| 15:47.29 | usser | ouch |
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| 15:48.05 | usser | my dev box got hit by a windows update and grub is like wtf |
| 15:48.31 | greycat | !fixgrub |
| 15:48.31 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 15:49.08 | usser | thank you |
| 15:50.27 | usser | but.. my issue is that i can't seem to find the correct filesystem, or possibly worse it was corrupted somehow |
| 15:51.36 | usser | there are about 4 hdd's on this box, with a few paritions on each.. im not sure if im not finding the appropriate drives, or if they are actually not mounting properly |
| 15:52.56 | usser | though, the docs i came across had slightly different commands.. this seems more specific to debian |
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| 15:59.57 | icypee | ok i installed one of the pulseaudio mixers from the arch wiki article and i still can't control the audio greycat |
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| 16:47.30 | TuxCrazy | is Timeshift necessary on Debian? |
| 16:47.55 | TuxCrazy | Timeshift is installed by default on Mint. |
| 16:50.59 | towo` | and? |
| 16:51.06 | towo` | is it nessesary in mint? |
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| 16:52.45 | TuxCrazy | I had installed it on Debian stable too. But, due to the disk getting full because of Timeshift snapshots, I was encountering this issue of login loop. |
| 16:54.17 | abrotman | No, it's not necessary .. |
| 16:54.41 | TuxCrazy | ok |
| 16:54.55 | abrotman | I mean, it's your data .. be as reckless as you'd like :) |
| 16:55.25 | TuxCrazy | abrotman, do you use Timeshift? |
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| 16:55.57 | abrotman | Nope, I stopped creating important documents in 2014 |
| 16:56.20 | TuxCrazy | abrotman, lol. Why in 2014? |
| 16:56.59 | abrotman | Snowden .. I figure NSA has all my data backed up for me |
| 16:57.14 | TuxCrazy | ok. Lol. |
| 16:57.34 | greycat | but will they restore it for you on request? that's the hard part. |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | if you commit a crime, they will have to produce it as evidence |
| 16:58.05 | TuxCrazy | on which partition should the Timeshift snapshots be saved, ideally? Home or Root? |
| 16:58.32 | TuxCrazy | abrotman, which crime do you intend to commit then? |
| 17:01.13 | TuxCrazy | anyone here has used or is using MX Linux also? |
| 17:01.23 | greycat | No. |
| 17:01.27 | greycat | !mxlinux |
| 17:01.27 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. If you are new to linux, try using Debian instead: http://www.debian.org and see <why debian> -- that means you can type in this channel: !why debian |
| 17:02.03 | TuxCrazy | ok |
| 17:02.17 | TuxCrazy | !why debian |
| 17:02.17 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 18:30.36 | alexrelis[m] | Does anyone know of an ungoogled variant of Chromium that keeps up with upstream Chromium releases? I use Firefox, but I am interested in a plan B. |
| 18:31.19 | mutante | Brave browser is (nowadays) also Chrome based and un-Google, afaict |
| 18:33.50 | diogenes_ | alexrelis[m], https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/releases/appimage/64bit/ |
| 18:34.20 | jess | brave is cryptocurrency nonsense anyway |
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| 18:35.15 | diogenes_ | yeah brave has damaged its reputation. |
| 18:35.34 | alexrelis[m] | mutante: Yeah I heard about that one. My main concern with Brave is that it removes traditional internet advertising and replaces it with its own to make money. |
| 18:35.34 | alexrelis[m] | diogenes_ : Thank you! Do you know how well ungoogled Chromium keeps up with upstream Chromium? |
| 18:35.59 | mutante | alexrelis[m]: well, it's a feature you can turn on and off |
| 18:36.19 | mutante | calling an entire industry "nonsense" because the world is that simple :) |
| 18:36.32 | diogenes_ | alexrelis[m], no clue but 83 is pretty new. |
| 18:37.22 | oxek | alexrelis[m]: ungoogled_chromium works, but it is always behind upstream chromium |
| 18:38.15 | oxek | right now even the debian version of chromium is behind upstream, and contains many security vulnerabilities |
| 18:38.33 | oxek | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/chromium |
| 18:38.59 | oxek | the linux version of ungoogled_chromium is built from debian sources with the ungoogled patches |
| 18:39.02 | mutante | i wonder if you can do the "un-googling" steps yourself and turn it into ungoogle.sh ./chrome-source/ |
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| 18:39.42 | oxek | mutante: you can. But patches break with every version of chromium, and building chromium is a horrible experience unless you have very high-end hardware |
| 18:40.14 | oxek | wouldn't advise building it on anything less than 128GB RAM |
| 18:40.32 | mutante | gotcha, *nod* |
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| 18:41.55 | oxek | once flatpak gets fixed, we might even get flatpak versions of chromium, at which point we'll probably have ungoogled version too |
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| 19:03.43 | otisolsen70 | How can I have backupninja use pexpect+sftp or pexpect+ssh backends for duplicity instead of default paramiko? |
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| 19:26.58 | Xip | Hey. |
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| 19:30.27 | JoBbZ | Anyone know a good repository manager that allows for multiple versions of the same package (reprepro does not). I was looking at aptly, but it seems to have died |
| 19:32.06 | mutante | JoBbZ: when i do an f.e. "reprepro ls php-common" over here i see multiple versions of the same package |
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| 19:35.44 | JoBbZ | for the same distribution & arch? because that'd go against my experience of it and their documentation :P |
| 19:36.34 | mutante | JoBbZ: yea, one is for jessie and 2 others for stretch |
| 19:36.52 | mutante | not sure how somebody did it.. but it's there |
| 19:37.19 | mutante | i would expect i can use APT pinning to tell it which one I want |
| 19:37.21 | JoBbZ | well, they may not be using reprepro for managing their repo? |
| 19:37.35 | mutante | it's the output of "reprepro ls" |
| 19:37.48 | mutante | so it's in the indices somehow |
| 19:38.01 | JoBbZ | what tool do they use to manage the repository is really the question |
| 19:38.13 | mutante | reprepro |
| 19:38.27 | JoBbZ | huh, not sure how they managed that then at all |
| 19:38.52 | JoBbZ | reprepro aside, anyone know of something? ;) |
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| 19:39.07 | mutante | aha, "If you need to keep multiple versions of the same package in the repo, you will need to create versioned components, as reprepro doesn't support keeping foo_10-1.deb and foo_20-1.deb at the same time in the same component. " |
| 19:40.05 | JoBbZ | hm looks like freight and mini_dinstall |
| 19:40.08 | JoBbZ | are options :) |
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| 20:06.46 | CarlFK | trying to build gstreamer... gst-build$ ninja -C builddir ... ../subprojects/pycairo/cairo/rectangle.c:32:10: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory https://dpaste.org/qiw0 |
| 20:07.02 | CarlFK | I have both python3-dev and python-dev installed, so I am guessing there is a lib var thing that needs to be set/passed? |
| 20:07.19 | greycat | did you install the build dependencies, or are you not using packaged sources? |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | also... does this project use autotools or cmake or something along those lines, and if so, did you install those python*-dev packages *after* the initial ./configure (or whatever), and maybe it's using old cached -I flags? |
| 20:10.42 | CarlFK | ah, *after* might be the key... |
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| 20:12.04 | CarlFK | it is using meson/ninja, but looks similar |
| 20:12.49 | greycat | Well, I have no idea what that is, but if it cached the old -I (CFLAGS) values before you installed *-dev packages, maybe you have to run something to tell it to check again. Or just blow away the build dir and start over. |
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| 20:16.08 | Bushmaster | Hi got some basic inquiries, lets say, I want to search files that starts with c as first letter, but I want to search the whole file systems, how do I go about it? |
| 20:16.42 | greycat | You decide where you will ACTUALLY start, say /usr. Then you use find. find /usr -type f -name 'c*' -print |
| 20:16.46 | Bushmaster | Hi got some basic inquiries, lets say, I want to search files that starts with c as first letter, but I want to search the whole file systems, how do I go about it? I have done this with no luck https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c7W3SQnjCJ/ |
| 20:17.03 | FuzzyByte | Bushmaster: You can search files by piping find to grep, like so. find /path | grep -F "string" |
| 20:17.10 | greycat | You do NOT run find from / because you will hit every single god damned pseudo file system and network mounted file system and so on. |
| 20:17.21 | greycat | You do not use grep. |
| 20:17.21 | FuzzyByte | ^ |
| 20:17.25 | FuzzyByte | Not? |
| 20:17.30 | FuzzyByte | I might be stupid. |
| 20:17.32 | greycat | use -name 'glob' |
| 20:17.53 | FuzzyByte | Alright. I just went with what was the most straightforward to me, sorry. |
| 20:18.15 | FuzzyByte | I assume GNU find supports full extended globbing? |
| 20:18.24 | greycat | GNU find has regex options. |
| 20:18.32 | FuzzyByte | Alright, thanks. |
| 20:18.42 | FuzzyByte | Will use it the next time I have to. |
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| 20:19.21 | Bushmaster | greycat, so it is not possible to search files with c as first letter without actually going into specific directory right? |
| 20:19.45 | greycat | find /usr /var /etc /home -type f -name 'c*' -print |
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| 20:20.10 | FuzzyByte | ^ |
| 20:20.14 | greycat | or put /etc first because it's smallest, or put the most PROBABLE ONE first so you can ^C it when it shows up |
| 20:20.49 | greycat | you should have *some* idea where the bloody file is |
| 20:20.50 | CarlFK | do NOT run find from / ... LOL I hate that!! :p |
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| 20:21.38 | Bushmaster | greycat let me do some work with your command |
| 20:22.00 | FuzzyByte | greycat: is -print actually needed? |
| 20:22.11 | greycat | it's the default action if you do not specify any actions |
| 20:22.24 | FuzzyByte | Then why include it? |
| 20:22.40 | greycat | because you might try to modify the command, or you might learn something |
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| 20:23.49 | Bushmaster | greycat, you are a beautiful man |
| 20:23.52 | CarlFK | greycat: your *after* thing nailed it. thank you. |
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| 20:24.54 | greycat | with some build systems it's virtually impossible to figure out how to re-check system include/lib dirs, so I always end up just nuking the build directory instead. *cough* cmake |
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| 20:27.23 | Bushmaster | greycat, I utilized PiPing and Less and -X with it you as taught me before and here is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wh9Z6gQr4D/ |
| 20:28.09 | Bushmaster | one problem, greycat, if you look into the pastebin, you will see it says permission denided to get to a directory, not sure who permission is denied |
| 20:28.41 | greycat | if that's a major concern, you run it as root instead |
| 20:29.03 | greycat | or, if you prefer, you can run it as a user you know will not be privy to secret places, and therefore skip those places |
| 20:29.25 | greycat | again, you should have *some* idea where the file is, and therefore where you should be looking |
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| 20:29.54 | Bushmaster | greycat, yes, that command you gave me, is very strong and very very useful, thanks a lot |
| 20:30.28 | Bushmaster | and interestingly that piping thing you taught me can be added with less and -X, it is beautiful |
| 20:34.46 | oxek | how can I get a list of packages that I manually installed from .deb files and not through apt repositories? |
| 20:34.56 | greycat | You can't. That isn't tracked. |
| 20:35.09 | oxek | :( |
| 20:35.16 | nkuttler | oxek: are they debian packages? |
| 20:35.32 | nvz | unless its still in your root's bash_history |
| 20:35.33 | oxek | nkuttler: what do you mean? |
| 20:36.00 | greycat | Another approach some people use to whatever-the-hell-you-are-really-doing is "show me all the packages that are currently installed that are NOT present in any of my known repositories". |
| 20:36.07 | greycat | There's an aptitude search command for that. |
| 20:36.11 | oxek | they were .deb files downloaded from websites, not available in debian repos or very old version were in debian repos |
| 20:36.13 | nkuttler | oxek: you can use aptitiude to remove obsolete packages, that would be packages that are not found in a repo you have configured |
| 20:36.38 | nkuttler | oxek: yeah, use aptitude to remove obosoletes |
| 20:36.45 | oxek | ok, I'll read aptitude manpage |
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| 20:37.01 | nkuttler | oxek: if those packages installed sources you'll also have to remove them, they often do that |
| 20:37.07 | oxek | thank you for pointing me in the right direction |
| 20:37.10 | mutante | you could get the output of "dpkg -l", parse the package names out of it. then search /var/log/apt/history.log for each of them and see what it does NOT find |
| 20:37.28 | greycat | !obsolete |
| 20:37.29 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
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| 20:37.34 | oxek | history.log has been rotated too many times and does not contain this info anymore |
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| 20:37.57 | mutante | oxek: yea.. hmm.. reinstall? |
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| 20:38.46 | oxek | 'aptitude search ~o' gave me what I needed, thanks again |
| 20:38.59 | mutante | gtk, cool |
| 20:39.20 | oerheks | greycat, i thought sudo dpkg-query -l | less # shows manual installed .deb's? |
| 20:40.12 | greycat | dpkg-query -l just shows all packages, if I'm reading this man page correctly, same as dpkg -l |
| 20:40.12 | Bushmaster | how could you remember all these sophisticated commands? |
| 20:40.35 | greycat | Bushmaster: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 20:40.44 | oerheks | Bushmaster, typing them often to ermember, or i make some lists |
| 20:40.45 | karlpinc | Bushmaster: Mostly you remember them because they've not changed since they were introduced. Some as long ago as the early 1970's. |
| 20:40.52 | FuzzyByte | Bushmaster: You get used to most of them. If you use them often, you'll start to remember stuff. |
| 20:41.09 | FuzzyByte | also that |
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| 20:42.35 | Bushmaster | greycat, oerheks karlpinc FuzzyByte I will follow these advice, I am learning Linux, reading a book, the book does not cover all these sophisticated commands, but it helps me to clear up fundamentals, the more you dive into Linux, the more you get addicted to it, unlike Windows |
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| 20:42.59 | karlpinc | oerheks: Better is to remember how to use man to search. (And apropos, aka "man -k".) Also good is to remember how to use some apt tool (your choice) to search for new stuff, and debtags is very useful in that regard also. |
| 20:43.27 | oxek | what is the best way of searching for residual config files? 'apt list | grep residual'? |
| 20:43.42 | karlpinc | (And, "man less" is key to reading man pages. Also "info info", for info pages.) |
| 20:44.00 | greycat | if you mean "packages that were removed but not purged", they show up with "rc" in the first columns of dpkg -l output |
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| 20:44.23 | karlpinc | likes: aptitude search '~c' |
| 20:44.47 | oxek | greycat: yeah I mean packages that were removed by running 'apt autoremove' but that did not purge the config files |
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| 20:47.48 | Bushmaster | greycat, reading that link, very useful writing about find, now I am running that .jpg as written in that link, its rolling, is there a way to stop the rolling in command screen? |
| 20:51.36 | deadrom | hi |
| 20:51.36 | greycat | so either the aptitude search thing, or just dpkg -l | grep ^.c |
| 20:51.37 | karlpinc | I like the aptitude search interface, but it's annoying because it's only compatible with really old apt-related commands. And the docs are only in html, which is also really annoying. |
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| 20:51.37 | oxek | greycat: awesome, thanks again! |
| 20:51.37 | karlpinc | So learning aptitude search gives you no advantage when it comes to doing any other searching. :-{ |
| 20:51.37 | oxek | I have never used aptitude, always used apt |
| 20:51.38 | karlpinc | I find apt _way_ too chatty and the output hard to parse. |
| 20:51.38 | deadrom | trying to backup a deb8 server before upgrade via ethernet. only getting 10-11MB/s on both SMB and NFS. ethtool says interface is at 1000Mb/s. array to system ssd internally does 350MB/s. between target and server are 3 unmanaged run-of-the-mill ehternet switches, between two computers on the same switch all is fine. ideas? |
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| 20:51.38 | oxek | 'apt' is the chatty one, 'apt-get' 'apt-cache' and so on are the parseable ones |
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| 20:51.39 | karlpinc | deadrom: You could check the network with nttcp. ? |
| 20:51.39 | deadrom | apt output is not good to read I agree. not good for humans, not good for scripts. should have a switch "put all the info in one line and keep the colors" |
| 20:51.39 | apt | ...but output is already something else... |
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| 20:51.39 | greycat | and an option for "no colors" |
| 20:51.39 | karlpinc | deadrom: Maybe a bad port on a switch? Or a pinched or bad cable? |
| 20:51.40 | mutante | deadrom: 10-11MB/s with the capital B? then it would actually be 80-80 Mb/s of the 100 that the (non-gigabit) switches can do? |
| 20:51.40 | deadrom | karlpinc: cable would be shitty here :) switch is my prime suspect. I got three of them, tplink <20 bucks, reliable so far |
| 20:51.41 | deadrom | mutante: all 3 GB switches |
| 20:51.41 | deadrom | ok: Gb/s |
| 20:52.27 | greycat | pipe the command through less |
| 20:52.36 | mutante | deadrom: hmm.. ok. maybe see how rsync (over ssh) is doing? |
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| 20:53.06 | karlpinc | greycat: I do all I can to get rid of colors in my terminals. For some reason apt is not showing colors, but it is doing some text in "less bold than normal". Poking around, I can't really tell what I did.... Maybe something in one of the apt configs? |
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| 20:54.08 | karlpinc | deadrom: rsync is usually the right choice. If nothing else it restarts and picks up "quickly" from where it left off. |
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| 20:54.37 | deadrom | karlpinc: mpf. "Real-MBit/s" around 100. somewhere one switch dropped the 1000. |
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| 20:55.30 | karlpinc | deadrom: You can try unplugging and re-plugging the cables and maybe they'll re-negoitate? |
| 20:55.55 | deadrom | karlpinc: both ethtools say 1000. I think it's more the switch to swtich connection |
| 20:56.38 | Bushmaster | so interesting thing happened running that find command for finding .jpg, it appears, the command is so strong that it even search for .jpg file from my external mass storage device that is connected to my machine with USB ... |
| 20:56.51 | Bushmaster | so interesting thing happened running that find command for finding .jpg, it appears, the command is so strong that it even search for .jpg file from my external mass storage device that is connected to my machine with USB ... here is the excerpt of the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RQ4vPQqb6d/ |
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| 20:58.50 | deadrom | Bushmaster: so? |
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| 21:11.29 | deadrom | karlpinc: culrpit found. one of the switches had dropped to 100. power cycled, all good |
| 21:11.48 | deadrom | well, what can one expect from 17 eur tp link |
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| 21:26.34 | oxek | anyone feel like trying to find the exact cause of this wget issue? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4d79b183/ |
| 21:26.49 | oxek | using '--secure-protocol TLSv1_2' option fixes it |
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| 21:53.12 | Numero-6 | Hi all, recently after upgrade package i have theses error and warn : |
| 21:53.17 | Numero-6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.25 | Numero-6 | blk-availability.service: Unit configuration has fatal error, unit will not be started. |
| 21:53.29 | Numero-6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.03 | Numero-6 | I do modify blk-availability.service and remove ${exec_prefix} ? |
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| 21:59.57 | Aavar | Is it possible to set up x11vnc (or another vnc-server) to start with lightdm (or other DM) so that a local and remote user can use the same login session? Similar to RDP on windows. |
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| 22:27.23 | jhutchins | oxek: That's a simple issue of the server and the client having different defaults and poor fail-through. |
| 22:29.42 | oxek | yeah, I tracked it down to gnutls issue, not wget |
| 22:29.57 | oxek | and debian builds wget with gnutls |
| 22:30.42 | oxek | it was confirmed by one other debian 10 stable user |
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| 22:31.23 | AAC | hey. How do i disable certifactes errors on acessing pages on iceweasel? sometimes it lets you do an exception ...sometimes don't |
| 22:31.41 | AAC | tried about:config, ssl tls ocsp |
| 22:32.18 | AAC | how do i prevent it from using ssl ? like i want to access http, not htpps |
| 22:32.31 | oxek | iceweasel is still a thing? |
| 22:32.34 | FuzzyByte | AAC: You kind of suck. |
| 22:32.48 | AAC | yes...im on a old relase |
| 22:33.00 | AAC | jessie :) but the computer is old |
| 22:33.09 | AAC | so it kind of sufficient for me |
| 22:33.16 | oxek | servers are now configured for higher security, there's not much you can do |
| 22:33.29 | AAC | can't you just use http anymore? |
| 22:33.38 | oxek | servers can (and do) enforce https |
| 22:33.40 | FuzzyByte | Iceweasel is a really outdated browser. either use a minimal browser like links2 in -g mode or a mods3rn firefox |
| 22:33.49 | FuzzyByte | ^^ |
| 22:34.12 | oxek | ,v iceweasel |
| 22:34.13 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: |
| 22:34.14 | judd | 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.11.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.11.0esr-1~deb10u1 |
| 22:34.35 | AAC | i dont think my problem is related to age....i need to stop the browser from checking certificates |
| 22:34.40 | jhutchins | Looks like it's still maintained. |
| 22:34.56 | oxek | yeah |
| 22:35.11 | oxek | AAC: you should not have issues if you're running 'apt upgrade' |
| 22:35.23 | AAC | ok let me check |
| 22:36.24 | AAC | heeheheh, lots of upgrades :) |
| 22:36.37 | oxek | you probably should apply them |
| 22:36.42 | FuzzyByte | I can imagine that laugh. |
| 22:36.44 | oxek | especially if you're connecting to internet |
| 22:36.57 | FuzzyByte | oh, and outdated systems are a bed, bad idea. |
| 22:37.04 | AAC | yep ok ...good thing..if iceweasel complains ill say it |
| 22:37.08 | AAC | no i have another version of debian |
| 22:37.14 | AAC | this is my fail safe thing |
| 22:37.22 | AAC | like to check for filesystem errors |
| 22:37.34 | jhutchins | FuzzyByte: See above, it's still maintained. |
| 22:38.20 | FuzzyByte | jhutchins: Iceweasel doesn't have as many security patches since it is based on an older FF i believe |
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| 22:43.33 | oxek | FuzzyByte: iceweasel is a transitional package - it install firefox-esr on jessie, which is still maintained |
| 22:44.14 | oxek | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/iceweasel |
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| 23:13.16 | jhutchins | FuzzyByte: I don't think your sources are accurate. |
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| 23:33.02 | Trel | If I use make/autoconfigure/cmake etc to prep something to install to a specific prefix and then use checkinstall, could the resulting deb be installed by non-root if all install locations were writable? |
| 23:34.08 | Trel | If not, is there any thing that can keep track of files installed via 'make install' so I could uninstall them at will if the maker did not include a make uninstall target? |
| 23:34.31 | jhutchins | Trel: Theoretically. On shared systems it was common for users to build/install their own sofware that wasn't system wide. |
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| 23:35.59 | jhutchins | Trel: These days mullti-user systems are far less common, and package managers are much better than build-it-yourself. |
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| 23:36.58 | jhutchins | Trel: I'm not aware of any management systems that are designed for non-system-wide installations. |
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| 23:38.36 | mutante | dpkg -i package.deb --force-not-root --root=$HOME < - this is supposed to work for non-root users to install a deb into their home |
| 23:38.36 | dpkg | package package.deb --force-not-root --root=$HOME < - this is supposed to work for non-root users to install a deb into their home is already installed |
| 23:39.16 | mutante | so if they do that you could still manage the package.. i guess |
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| 23:42.23 | Trel | mutante: does the creation of the deb force the prefix / or could I set a different one? |
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| 23:46.32 | GetGNULinux | Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume). |
| 23:46.40 | mutante | Trel: have not tried but sounds like you can: "--instdir=dir Change default installation directory which refers to the directory where packages are to be installed. instdir is also the directory passed to chroot(2) before running package's installation scripts, which means that the scripts see instdir as a root directory. (Defaults to /)." |
| 23:47.44 | Trel | That's using checkinstall to generate it with that switch or dpkg to install it with that switch? |
| 23:47.45 | mutante | lol, what kind of scam attempt is that ?:) |
| 23:47.52 | mutante | the license thing, haha |
| 23:48.04 | mutante | Trel: that was from dpkg |
| 23:49.09 | jmcnaught | Flatpak has support for regular users installing packages (to their ~), might be an option for what you're trying to do. |
| 23:49.33 | Trel | Flatpack is on the opposite end of the spectrum from what I'm trying to do. |
| 23:50.09 | Trel | The only system agnostic format I like at all is appimage, but that's not relevent to this particular problem though. |
| 23:51.09 | Trel | I have a setup where I have custom builds (including libraries) under /built and any user can run those versions (frequently newer than repos), so if they want them they can make a wrapper for starting or modify their path to prioritize /built/bin |
| 23:51.20 | Trel | They coexist with the system ones. |
| 23:52.16 | jmcnaught | You don't use /usr/local? |
| 23:52.55 | jmcnaught | I guess you want the alternative versions to be optional. It sounds a little like guix/nix. |
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| 23:54.25 | Trel | Yes, optional is exactly the reason. If someone wants one, make a local wrapper script to call /built/bin/whatever, if they want them all, set their path to /built/bin:${PATH} |
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