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| 00:58.49 | BadLuckBob | dpkg paste |
| 00:58.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 01:00.47 | BadLuckBob | My wrapper.log 24r liftime: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1159452 |
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| 01:01.31 | BadLuckBob | ignore that |
| 01:01.39 | dvs | copies |
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| 02:04.57 | dmar198 | I am trying to install xfce4 and xterm on a new debian installation but I keep getting "unable to locate package" errors. I've added debian buster main and buster/updates and buster-backports to my sources.list but it still can't be located. What repositories are those packages in? |
| 02:05.33 | dvs | ,v xfce4 |
| 02:05.34 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.14; sid: 4.14 |
| 02:06.06 | dvs | dmar198, it's there. You might have to do an "apt update" to get the repo list |
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| 02:10.53 | dvs | !next |
| 02:10.53 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 02:10.54 | dvs | ? |
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| 02:26.26 | dmar198 | thank you, all I needed to do was apt update |
| 02:26.34 | dvs | !next |
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| 02:26.34 | dmar198 | (I thought I had done so but apparently not) |
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| 03:44.45 | yanmaani | Hi! Is there a one-liner to list packages ordered by number of dependencies that aren't set to manually installed or needed by any other package? |
| 03:45.18 | yanmaani | "if I were to remove this and then run apt-get autoremove, how much will be removed?" |
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| 04:03.13 | hop | yanmaani: i really don't think so |
| 04:03.20 | hop | have you looked into deborphan or debfoster? |
| 04:05.11 | hop | yanmaani: if "this" is just one package, a simple --dry-run will give you the list of packages "no longer required" |
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| 04:46.32 | jim | yanmaani, I wouldn't think that would be a one-liner, but it can probably be done |
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| 05:24.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys how do i find the package 'ls' command is in |
| 05:24.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to try and reinstall it.. |
| 05:25.12 | klys | coreutils |
| 05:25.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | ij |
| 05:25.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 05:25.33 | klys | yw |
| 05:26.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope that didnt solve my issue |
| 05:26.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh tomorrow is anotrher day |
| 05:26.15 | klys | $ ldd /bin/ls ? |
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| 05:31.37 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: there isn't really a way of having a Debian installation without "ls". What's the problem you're working on? |
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| 05:32.50 | beelzebuzz | Eryn_1983_FL: exa can help in the meantime |
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| 06:29.24 | zmitya | hi all. Currently we have PHP7.3 in buster. Do you think we will have 7.4 at some point ? |
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| 06:42.14 | allan_wind | I just spun up another interface on my server to |
| 06:42.40 | allan_wind | handle backup and it shows rx drops. ethtool -S doesn't seem to tell anything interesting. How do I figure out what is causing thiis? |
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| 06:55.36 | darsie | I'm having CPU stall again during boot. Resume from hibernation failed again. I had to log in. https://i.imgur.com/bHcwM0q.jpg |
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| 06:58.22 | darsie | kworker/0:3-kacpi_notifykworker/0:3-kacpi_notify is here again with 59% CPU and /etc/interrupts has 81,585,291 acpi interrupts: " 9: 0 81585291 0 0 0 0 0 0 IO-APIC 9-fasteoi acpi " |
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| 06:58.44 | darsie | oops, double kworker paste. |
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| 07:01.08 | darsie | System was a bit sluggish, too. |
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| 07:03.26 | darsie | Ahh, the interrupt numbers are cumulative. |
| 07:04.35 | darsie | so uptime is 1:01 |
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| 07:13.35 | darsie | Should I get another computer? |
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| 07:23.43 | pldiem | Hi all! |
| 07:23.43 | pldiem | I wanted to check out bashtop, worked fine, but had a huge load on my processor, so I decided to remove the app, unfortunately my processor is still really busy, it makes my computer really loud. |
| 07:23.53 | pldiem | The highest load is from /sbin/init |
| 07:24.05 | pldiem | the 5 top processes are here |
| 07:24.06 | pldiem | https://paste.debian.net/1159497/ |
| 07:24.23 | pldiem | any ideas what might have happened? and how to solve it? |
| 07:25.20 | allan_wind | pldiem: I would expect init to take a lot of cpu. Is anything being logged in syslog or dmesg/ |
| 07:25.50 | allan_wind | pldiem: if not, run show on init to see what it's doing |
| 07:25.54 | pldiem | yes, but that might be related to another issue which might be my fault |
| 07:26.03 | pldiem | I was going to write about it |
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| 07:26.13 | pldiem | because I tried to kill one of the processes as root |
| 07:26.19 | pldiem | and my system died |
| 07:26.26 | allan_wind | I meant *strace* |
| 07:26.35 | pldiem | since then I also have a warning on startup and in syslog |
| 07:26.40 | pldiem | here it is |
| 07:26.41 | pldiem | https://paste.debian.net/1159498/ |
| 07:26.53 | pldiem | btw everything kind of works fine |
| 07:26.57 | pldiem | vpn works fine |
| 07:27.16 | pldiem | I had an issue with shutting down or rebooting the system |
| 07:27.42 | allan_wind | pldiem: I don't even have resolvconf installed on my system |
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| 07:28.18 | pldiem | what is *strace*? |
| 07:29.03 | pldiem | I can see now, I have to install it |
| 07:29.09 | allan_wind | darsie: I have no idea how to resolve your problem, getting another computer seems a bit extreme. I googled a bit for you and I saw this one. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=134249 |
| 07:29.26 | klys | stack trace, prints all system calls made by a running program |
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| 07:30.04 | allan_wind | pldiem: it tells you what a process is doing, but it sounds like you might just be seeing the result of that process dying repeatedly and init reaping it |
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| 07:31.34 | pldiem | here's the result: |
| 07:31.34 | pldiem | https://paste.debian.net/1159500/ |
| 07:31.37 | allan_wind | pldiem: so I would try to figure out why the resolvconf-pull-resolve is dying on you, again look in syslog and maybe dmesg |
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| 07:34.37 | pldiem | no idea how to interpret that |
| 07:34.44 | pldiem | can't google anything |
| 07:35.51 | allan_wind | pldiem: was that a strace of init? In any case it shows it cycling over the same thing. What did you see in syslog? |
| 07:36.25 | pldiem | yes, that's from init (p=1) |
| 07:36.36 | allan_wind | systemctl show resolvconf-pull-resolved |
| 07:36.43 | allan_wind | should give you the relevant journal entries |
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| 07:36.53 | pldiem | syslog is here |
| 07:36.54 | pldiem | https://paste.debian.net/1159498/ |
| 07:36.56 | allan_wind | argh.. I mean status not show |
| 07:37.23 | allan_wind | there should be more than what you pasted |
| 07:37.38 | pldiem | true it is repeating |
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| 07:37.44 | pldiem | these 3 lines |
| 07:38.09 | hegemoOn | hello there, what is the 2020 state of the art opensource solution for datacenter servers provisionning |
| 07:38.23 | hegemoOn | at scale ? (>5000 servers) |
| 07:38.45 | allan_wind | pldiem: well, you can stop & disable the service if you don't need it |
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| 07:39.06 | pldiem | status looks fine |
| 07:39.07 | pldiem | https://paste.debian.net/1159505/ |
| 07:39.43 | pldiem | I tried to restart it: systemctl restart resolvconf |
| 07:39.49 | pldiem | but that freezed |
| 07:40.36 | allan_wind | pldiem: yeah, I was hoping to see some journal entries... Active is activating meaning it's trying to start |
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| 07:41.11 | pldiem | you are right, I have noticed that now, there is a green bubble next to the TriggeredBy |
| 07:41.20 | pldiem | and I thought it is running |
| 07:42.16 | allan_wind | pldiem: I don't use the program so only have generic info... what I would do next is start the program by hand so you can run it with trace to see what it is doing. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1078011/unable-to-start-resolvconf-pull-resolved might be of interest to you. |
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| 07:45.29 | allan_wind | pldiem: good night, good luck |
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| 07:45.46 | pldiem | thanks, good night |
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| 08:05.05 | pldiem | I would like to stop the service, so I am doing |
| 08:05.09 | pldiem | sudo service resolvconf-pull-resolved stop |
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| 08:05.28 | pldiem | and I'm getting in reponse |
| 08:05.29 | pldiem | Warning: Stopping resolvconf-pull-resolved.service, but it can still be activated by: |
| 08:05.30 | pldiem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.40 | pldiem | is there some other way to stop it? |
| 08:05.47 | ws2k3 | if i boot a debian machine into single user mode. will it start up all the regular service then? |
| 08:06.05 | ws2k3 | i need to reboot a linux server. but i wanne make sure some services do not start after boot |
| 08:06.44 | ws2k3 | the machine is currently down. i can only reset it and do stuff with grub. once its booting |
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| 08:15.16 | ijurisic | Hello to all |
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| 08:18.49 | diogenes_ | !hi | ijurisic |
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| 08:24.40 | ijurisic | diogenes_: Nice day |
| 08:25.43 | diogenes_ | ijurisic, same to you thanks. |
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| 08:36.06 | masber | hi, I am using debian in a docker container. For some reason apt-get update does not work becaue https://dpaste.com/FGJTV9UGW.txt. host can ping and resolve name but container does not have ping installed and can't install anything if apt-get update does not work? |
| 08:36.47 | masber | I would like to be able to install software on this debian image but I am stuck with this issue. Any thoughts? |
| 08:36.52 | nkuttler | masber: is the host debian? |
| 08:37.01 | masber | yes it is debian 10 |
| 08:37.18 | nkuttler | masber: can you resolve security.debian.org there? |
| 08:38.29 | masber | from the host yes I can, but how can I test it form the container without ping? |
| 08:38.35 | jim | masber, can you scp to it? |
| 08:39.45 | nkuttler | masber: there's no need to ping. first guess would be your /etc/resolv.conf points to something the container can't reach, but let's take this to #docker |
| 08:39.54 | masber | sshd is not installed |
| 08:40.16 | masber | ok |
| 08:40.19 | jim | ok, so that's a no |
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| 08:50.01 | f8e4 | i deleted my bashrc, how can i recover new one? |
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| 08:51.35 | masber | yo should be able to get it from the skeleton |
| 08:51.52 | masber | but that would restore it from the default system |
| 08:52.09 | masber | if you had modifications... then I am not sure how to get it back |
| 08:53.16 | f8e4 | where is the skeleton |
| 08:53.22 | masber | ls -alsh /etc/skel/ |
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| 08:57.37 | f8e4 | ty |
| 08:58.00 | darsie | This post helped me find the frequent interrupt and disable it: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=319847 |
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| 08:58.46 | darsie | Whats the /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe08 ? |
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| 09:04.14 | Antoine- | Hello, I would like to convert a linear logical volume to a mirrored logical volume. I have free space on my volume group and I'd like to mirrored logical volume to fill all the space of the volume group. |
| 09:04.45 | Antoine- | Should I first extend the logical volume then do something like `lvconvert -m1 /dev/mvg/Medias`? |
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| 09:05.15 | Antoine- | Or should I just do `lvconvert -m1 /dev/mvg/Medias` and it'll expand automatically since it needs more space to be mirrored? |
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| 09:28.53 | Antoine- | It seems I can't just do `sudo lvconvert -m1 /dev/mvg/Medias`, I get "Insufficient free space: 1 extents needed, but only 0 available" |
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| 09:30.58 | Antoine- | Would someone know how to proceed? Here is the output of pvs, vgs and lvs https://dpaste.com/DF2B65JWR.txt. I'd like to convert Medias from linear to mirrored |
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| 09:33.07 | ice9 | is this normal auth log "CRON[24002]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)"? |
| 09:35.29 | Fox | if you have cron jobs running as root yes |
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| 10:09.02 | Antoine- | Do I need to specify where to put the mirror with `sudo lvconvert --mirrors 1 mvg/Medias /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdd1`? |
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| 10:11.44 | Antoine- | karlpinc: Oh ok, thanks for letting me know |
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| 10:25.50 | r15 | hi #debian https://paste.centos.org/view/13e87ab7 any clue with thin provisoned lvm recovery? |
| 10:29.17 | ice9 | is this normal auth log "CRON[24002]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)"? |
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| 10:31.02 | Antoine- | I would like to mirror my logical volume /dev/mvg/Medias. How can I do that? https://dpaste.com/DF2B65JWR.txt |
| 10:32.46 | ratrace | ice9: that just means a crontab was executed for root user, pretty normal |
| 10:33.24 | ice9 | ratrace, great, and what do you think this cron is doing? isnt is opening a ssh session or trying to authenticate with pam? |
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| 10:34.15 | ratrace | ice9: it is interacting with pam, but that log entry doesn't mention ssh. it's a typical pam entry for cron. many crontabs run as root in debian by default |
| 10:35.19 | ice9 | ratrace, right there is no ssh but it's trying to auth with pam isn't? or trying to open session for user root? |
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| 10:35.57 | ratrace | ice9: it's a cron session with pam, not ssh session |
| 10:36.27 | ice9 | ratrace, great, i can't see any crons that uses pam at all |
| 10:37.15 | ratrace | ice9: it's not cron specifically that uses it, I think but logind. Run a sudo and you'll see the same |
| 10:37.33 | ice9 | ratrace, i did, but's it doesn't show up |
| 10:38.00 | ratrace | ice9: run a login shell with sudo, eg. sudo -i or su -l |
| 10:38.00 | ice9 | oh and i see in the log that it runs every hour, and there is no hourly crons at all |
| 10:38.36 | ratrace | ice9: not all hourly crontabs are in /etc/cron.hourly, some are in /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 11:05.45 | vlt | Hello. My Xorg server refuses to work on an HP laptop. I booted from debian-live usb and this is the Xorg.0.log and `lspci`: https://dpaste.org/VJwb Any idea how to make work? |
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| 11:09.11 | towo^work | vlt, you need a recent kernel, firmware and x |
| 11:10.01 | towo^work | debian stable is never a good idea for new hardware |
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| 11:10.38 | vlt | towo^work: Ok, I'll try to generate a live build using Debian testing. Thank you. |
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| 11:12.12 | towo^work | vlt, make sure, you include the needed non-free firmware |
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| 11:20.31 | vlt | towo^work: What non-free firmware is needed? |
| 11:20.48 | towo^work | at minimum firmware-amd-graphics |
| 11:21.07 | towo^work | and maybe one for the wireless chipset |
| 11:22.05 | towo^work | oh, your wireless is nut supported by kernel |
| 11:22.26 | towo^work | you need to use https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce |
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| 11:23.27 | vlt | towo^work: I don't need wireless for the X server, do I? ;_) |
| 11:23.44 | towo^work | no, but i think you want all hardware working? |
| 11:23.59 | towo^work | if not, ignore my message |
| 11:24.12 | vlt | towo^work: In this case I will. That you! |
| 11:24.17 | vlt | *Thank |
| 11:26.05 | vlt | New problem: I'm trying to build the live image but this time with "--distribution testing" and get "E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release' does not have a Release file." |
| 11:26.25 | vlt | How to tell the live-build scripts to ignore this? |
| 11:26.45 | vlt | tries to specify "bullseye" instead of "testing" ... |
| 11:28.06 | vlt | Hmm, ~same eror: "E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org bullseye/updates Release' does not have a Release file." |
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| 11:33.54 | Antoine- | How can I mirror my /dev/mvg/Medias volume? Here is the output of pvs vgs and lvs https://dpaste.com/HLN7LT8H5.txt |
| 11:34.22 | Antoine- | I tried creating a logical volume /dev/mvg/Mirror that should be about the same size as Medias |
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| 11:37.48 | aaro | vlt: i got this line deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security testing-security main |
| 11:38.38 | vlt | aaro: Where did you put that? |
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| 11:39.02 | aaro | vlt: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:39.15 | vlt | aaro: This is a live-build environment. |
| 11:39.44 | vlt | Should I create config/includes.chroot/etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:41.42 | aaro | vlt: sorry, no idea about build environment, just trying to tell the correct path for the repos |
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| 12:08.20 | otisolsen70 | I have a faulty disk in my mdadm raid-1 array. The array is of 3 TB disks. I now got some replacement disks of 8 TB. What is the easiest way of going about the replacement here? Should I add the new 8 TB disk as a third disk with mdadm, then sync it. Then remove the other two 3 TB disks and add the second 8 TB disk then enlarge the filesystems? Or something else? |
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| 12:09.53 | otisolsen70 | Should I rather just remove the faulty disk and boot up on a single 3 TB disk remaining in the array. Then add one of the new 8 TB disks as a replacement of the faulty disk. Then when it has sync'ed the 3 TB data to the 8 TB disk, then replace the remaining 3 TB disk with the other 8 TB disk and sync? Then when done, enlarge the file systems? |
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| 12:10.28 | otisolsen70 | Just to complicate things a bit (and provide more options) I also have WDE using LUKS and LVM. |
| 12:10.35 | Antoine- | Could anyone help me out with an LVM mirroring setup issue? :) |
| 12:11.20 | otisolsen70 | MY disk layout (output of lsblk) : http://paste.yt/p12024.html |
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| 13:15.40 | efrahim | TL;DR, I cannot type (nor paste) a slash (/) is terminals anymore. Few days ago, I stopped being able to type / in any new terminal window (new screen window, xterm, st). I just rebooted and now all my terminals are like that. In some programs (like irssi) i can type it, but not in the terminal itself. By searching, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2161561 appears to be the same problem (because |
| 13:15.46 | efrahim | pressing INSERT before typing / in xterm allowsme to enter one, as explained in one post), but has no solution. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:20.32 | cbthree | where can i download debian-10.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso? |
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| 13:27.43 | jmcnaught | cbthree: it might not exist, but you can still use the netinst to install xfce during installation if you have a network connection. |
| 13:28.42 | jmcnaught | cbthree: also in case you were not aware and have a 64-bit processor, i386 is for 32-bit processors. |
| 13:28.43 | cbthree | the problem is that i do not have a network connection |
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| 13:29.04 | cbthree | the cpu is a Pentium IV which is a 32 bit machine |
| 13:30.25 | jmcnaught | Just checking because they're not as common these days and I've seen people mix it up. You could try using DVD-1. |
| 13:30.28 | jmcnaught | !which cd |
| 13:30.29 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 13:30.49 | cbthree | The Pentium IV does not have a DVD drive |
| 13:31.16 | dvs | and it cannot boot from USB either, right? |
| 13:31.49 | cbthree | it can boot from CD |
| 13:32.04 | oxek | is 'apt-get autopurge PACKAGE' documented anywhere? |
| 13:32.09 | cbthree | it can not boot from usb |
| 13:33.12 | RoyK | cbthree: does it have a network adapter? |
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| 13:34.43 | cbthree | it is an old Pentium IV which has its built in network broken |
| 13:36.18 | RoyK | do you have a usb network adaptor? |
| 13:36.38 | cbthree | NO and there is no internet at home. |
| 13:37.54 | RoyK | wonders if a new raspberry pi 4 would be better and use less power and make life less miserable |
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| 13:38.32 | cbthree | If you were to install buster on the Pentium IV using debian-10.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso you would end up with a working system. |
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| 13:41.51 | RoyK | just curious - where are you located? with no internet connection? no landline or dsl or 4g or 3g? |
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| 13:43.06 | cbthree | in a hamlet in central Spain |
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| 13:44.07 | cbthree | 3G internet connection i have on the mobile but my prepaid data plan is very limited |
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| 13:44.36 | cbthree | RoyK, any suggestions? |
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| 13:45.05 | jmcnaught | Do you have another computer you could use to install Debian on to the HDD and then transplant back into the P4? |
| 13:45.27 | RoyK | or just use that other computer as a mirror |
| 13:45.37 | RoyK | or just use a usb stick as a mirror |
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| 13:46.24 | cbthree | jmcnaught, the Pentium IV has an IDE hard disk |
| 13:48.20 | oxek | can someone confirm a crash in a package in debian? The program is 'ts' and comes from 'moreutils' package. The command is 'echo test | ts -r'. |
| 13:49.02 | oxek | I get this error https://paste.debian.net/hidden/83f5b0b7/ |
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| 13:50.15 | nkuttler | oxek: try installing libdatetime-perl and/or libtime-duration-perl |
| 13:51.16 | oxek | if that fixes it, then the bug is that the package should declare those dependencies |
| 13:51.26 | RoyK | oxek: correct - please file a bug :) |
| 13:51.41 | oxek | RoyK: I still haven't managed to understand bugreport |
| 13:51.46 | oxek | it's on my todo list to learn it |
| 13:51.51 | RoyK | it's easy to miss those dependencies |
| 13:51.54 | nkuttler | oxek: it's already fixed in sid |
| 13:52.15 | nkuttler | oxek: fwiw, reportbug is pretty easy to use |
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| 13:52.36 | Antoine- | Hello, can anyone help me with a LVM mirroring issue? I have a LV that I'd like to mirror. I have enough free space in my VG but I get "Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume : 361729 more required" |
| 13:53.00 | oxek | nkuttler: yes it is easy to use, I am just a really bad user |
| 13:55.07 | oxek | all is fixed on my end now, thanks |
| 13:55.24 | cbthree | Is NetSurf 3.10 available as a deb for buster? |
| 13:55.48 | cbthree | https://www.netsurf-browser.org/ |
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| 13:56.58 | jmcnaught | cbthree: it seems it is not in Debian, you can search packages here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 13:57.28 | jmcnaught | It's not in buster at least. |
| 13:57.39 | RoyK | nkuttler: it's rather nice to backport such fixes, though ;) |
| 13:58.04 | cbthree | Firefox, Chromium and Epiphany are very slow, almost unusable on a Pentium IV. I've seen NetSurf 3.10 on a Pentium III on Slackware and it works pretty well! |
| 13:58.25 | NetTerminalGene | does it support js? |
| 13:58.46 | jmcnaught | I thought the computer had no network connection anyways⦠|
| 13:58.54 | RoyK | probably supports html 3.2 |
| 13:59.59 | cbthree | RoyK, the Pentium III is not mine, it is a friend's and he has a 56k modem connection. The Pentium IV is mine |
| 14:01.35 | nkuttler | RoyK: that's not how stable works though. one person's bug is another person's feature |
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| 14:02.46 | cbthree | RoyK, Netsurf supports: Web standards: HTML 4.01 and CSS 2.1, Image formats including: PNG, GIF, JPEG, SVG, and BMP, HTTPS for secure online transactions, Unicode text (important for Spanish users) |
| 14:03.57 | vkk | is it better to use debian sid for dev or should i dualboot it? |
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| 14:04.35 | nkuttler | vkk: dev what? |
| 14:06.33 | vkk | nkuttler: 1. work on kde apps 2. general software |
| 14:07.09 | nkuttler | vkk: i would ask other kde devs then |
| 14:07.28 | vkk | i want to fix patches on e.g. plasma but don't want the breakages of running sid. so i'm thinking running a dual boot with sid would be a good option |
| 14:07.30 | nkuttler | for my development it doesn't matter, as anything that requires a specific os runs in a container anyway |
| 14:07.34 | vkk | nkuttler: cool, will do that |
| 14:09.44 | vkk | i was thinking this, for general software dev: say i develop a program with some deps on sid, the packages might be rapidly changing. so how would that work? do i only use like LTS-like packages? |
| 14:10.18 | vkk | just asking cause i think deb stable would be the best for development since i can be guaranteed that my program would work for many years, if i target that version |
| 14:11.12 | nkuttler | vkk: i really doubt that. if you develop against debian stable your app will never end up in debian stable, because stable is frozen before the release |
| 14:12.35 | vkk | nkuttler: no, no i don't mean an official deb package. i was talking about an own app |
| 14:13.34 | nkuttler | vkk: if you develop on stable then you'll always be lagging as you need to port to the new release *after* the release |
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| 14:15.49 | vkk | nkuttler: hmmm... that makes sense. so a 3rd party software should be ideally worked on during the freeze of next-stable right? |
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| 14:31.51 | StyXman | I have a small server with an atheros board, hostapd, shorewall, systemd and maybe something else that's contributing to my issue. It all comes down to these errors + one info message: ifup[382]: Cannot find device "wlp5s0" / ifup[382]: ifup: failed to bring up wlp5s0 / kernel: ath10k_pci 0000:05:00.0 wlp5s0: renamed from wlan0 as you can see, the rename happens too late, and the of course hostapd can't bring up the AP and I have to login into the |
| 14:31.51 | StyXman | server, restart networking + hostapd + shorewall to get the state I want. how can i make sure ifup runs after wlan0 was renamed? |
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| 14:46.10 | ratrace | StyXman: it already should by default |
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| 14:47.34 | StyXman | it should, but it is not |
| 14:48.02 | ratrace | StyXman: then you can try modify the networking.service to depend on the network interface .device |
| 14:48.23 | ratrace | After=sys-devices-virtual-net-wlp5s0.device |
| 14:48.54 | ratrace | make sure that's the correct .device name with systemctl list-units maybe it's a bit different path to ...wlp5s0.device . that's a path in linux /sys filesystem |
| 14:50.54 | StyXman | sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:02.5-0000:05:00.0-net-wlp5s0.device loaded active plugged QCA986x/988x 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter |
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| 14:51.40 | ratrace | StyXman: then try that in After= of networking.service. you can add just that via systemctl edit networking.service and it'll auto-create the dropin which should contain just that one line |
| 14:51.46 | ratrace | StyXman: or do the most sane thing and add net.ifnames=0 to kernel command line and enjoy wlan0 _actually_ predictable name :) assumes you don't work with multiple wlanX or ethX NICs |
| 14:52.31 | StyXman | 1 wlan 4 eths |
| 14:52.55 | ratrace | well, then if you do, wlan0 is still wlan0 but may not be always the case, migth depend on device ordering, when you plug it in, bios' mood, weather and alignment of saturn's rings in relation to jupiter's south pole magnetic field vectors |
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| 14:54.41 | ratrace | StyXman: however, if the device is brought up too late, not even "wlan0" might fix this, so perhaps try making networking.service actually depend on the NIC .device with that After= thingy |
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| 14:59.08 | karlpinc | StyXman: You could report a bug.... |
| 14:59.52 | StyXman | yeah, well, i first i want to find out thereÅ a bug and not a misconfiguration |
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| 15:00.31 | StyXman | I remember the other guy saying something about adding an After= to the hostapd service |
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| 18:46.46 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there a way to spoof other OSs with Debian? |
| 18:47.03 | CrystalMath | in what way? |
| 18:47.23 | Lady_Aleena | Like making a site think I'm on Windows instead of Linux. |
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| 18:47.57 | CrystalMath | qyou mean on a browser.. so which browser? |
| 18:48.01 | CrystalMath | *you |
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| 18:48.18 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: "User Agent" spoofing is what you want, there are extensions for this - Yes |
| 18:48.33 | CrystalMath | with curl, use -A "user agent string here" |
| 18:48.39 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: Most have drop down, so you can choose what OS and Browser you want to present to the site that needs to be fooled |
| 18:48.41 | CrystalMath | with elinks, there's an option in the option manager |
| 18:49.07 | Lady_Aleena | I'm using Firefox-esr 68, but when I went to Xfinity's Streaming site, they listed all the OSs they support and none of the Linux distributions were listed. |
| 18:49.42 | sponix | Pretty Sad that this is still a thing in 2020 |
| 18:49.51 | Lady_Aleena | I know right?! |
| 18:50.05 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: for firefox, the setting is something.useragent.override |
| 18:50.06 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: just search extensions for "user agent switcher" |
| 18:50.09 | CrystalMath | i try not to use firefox |
| 18:50.19 | CrystalMath | general.useragent.override i think |
| 18:50.21 | Lady_Aleena | I can't stand Chrome. |
| 18:50.25 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: i use elinks |
| 18:50.34 | CrystalMath | i would never dream of using chrome |
| 18:50.44 | CrystalMath | it would be a horrible nightmare, anyway |
| 18:51.02 | Lady_Aleena | This is the first time I've heard of elinks. |
| 18:51.11 | CrystalMath | i it's in the repos |
| 18:51.19 | CrystalMath | s/i // |
| 18:52.00 | Lady_Aleena | Wait, only text? |
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| 18:52.43 | CrystalMath | it can open images through your image viewer, i like fim |
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| 18:53.41 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: this is probably what you need: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/user-agent-string-switcher/ |
| 18:55.06 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, I'm on the phone with hubby, so I am half and half here and there. |
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| 18:55.58 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, I am a visual person, I need things nicely formatted as to not get headaches. |
| 18:56.26 | Lady_Aleena | Now I'm wondering what my site looks like in text mode. |
| 18:56.51 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, care to post a screen shot of https://fantasy.xecu.net? 8) |
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| 19:02.40 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: ok |
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| 19:03.10 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: i'll pastebin it :D |
| 19:03.39 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, oh boy... |
| 19:03.50 | CrystalMath | http://paste.0l.wtf/r8kc |
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| 19:04.39 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: that came from screen's hardcopy feature |
| 19:04.47 | CrystalMath | it doesn't seem to include colors, though |
| 19:04.49 | CrystalMath | i have colors! |
| 19:05.41 | CrystalMath | your background seems light gray |
| 19:07.37 | Lady_Aleena | I just installed elinks, CrystalMath. |
| 19:09.16 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: i like some of your political opinions |
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| 19:09.54 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, I'm looking at the manual for elinks and can't find the option for colors. |
| 19:10.33 | CrystalMath | press o to enter the option manager |
| 19:10.39 | CrystalMath | to configure it for your terminal |
| 19:11.05 | CrystalMath | or Setup -> Terminal Options |
| 19:11.07 | CrystalMath | quicker :) |
| 19:12.55 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: a lot of your website's pages seem to fail with a perl error of sorts |
| 19:13.00 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: it tells me to contact the webmaster |
| 19:13.08 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, which pages? |
| 19:13.30 | CrystalMath | https://fantasy.xecu.net/Miscellany/index.pl?page=BBSs |
| 19:13.31 | CrystalMath | for example |
| 19:13.34 | CrystalMath | but they all crash |
| 19:13.43 | CrystalMath | readline() on closed filehandle $fh at ../files/lib/Fancy/Open.pm line 14. |
| 19:14.16 | CrystalMath | Compilation failed in require at ../files/lib/Random/Body/Modification.pm line 11. |
| 19:14.24 | CrystalMath | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ../files/lib/Random/Body/Modification.pm line 11. |
| 19:14.37 | CrystalMath | Compilation failed in require at /home/fantasy/public_html/Miscellany/index.pl line 20 |
| 19:14.58 | Lady_Aleena | Hold on please. |
| 19:14.58 | CrystalMath | i guess that's enough info |
| 19:15.01 | CrystalMath | i don't want to spam |
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| 19:15.19 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, all I needed was the page... 8) |
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| 19:18.09 | jmd | Can anyone suggest how I can programatically select the Font sizes in xterm? |
| 19:18.25 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, it looks like I'm in for a deep dive. |
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| 19:18.42 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: i will also try your website with Netscape 1.0 |
| 19:18.58 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: just hold on while i dialup from my windows 3.1 |
| 19:19.14 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, I think I fixed it. |
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| 19:20.23 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, the problem on that page is that I forgot to upload some data files that were necessary to run a few modules. |
| 19:20.31 | Lady_Aleena | So, of course the perl broke. |
| 19:21.06 | CrystalMath | connecting with Netscape 1.0 |
| 19:21.26 | CrystalMath | but something's not working |
| 19:22.02 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, what page now? |
| 19:22.11 | Lady_Aleena | Just the page please. |
| 19:22.21 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: i'm opening your website with Netscape 1.0 on Windows 3.1, it's not loading the home page |
| 19:22.32 | CrystalMath | it's just blank somehow |
| 19:22.50 | CrystalMath | home.mcom.com loads on that machine |
| 19:23.26 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: on elinks it works now |
| 19:23.55 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, my site is awful using elinks. |
| 19:24.06 | CrystalMath | it looks nice :) |
| 19:24.13 | CrystalMath | a shame i can't see it in Netscape 1.0 |
| 19:24.56 | CrystalMath | maybe it requires https? |
| 19:25.07 | CrystalMath | ah yes, it requires https |
| 19:25.13 | CrystalMath | that's a no-go with software from 1993 |
| 19:25.53 | CrystalMath | Lady_Aleena: if you allowed plain http, i would be able to see it in a graphical browser |
| 19:25.54 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, you are seeing 2 things double because you aren't getting the css formatting. |
| 19:26.07 | CrystalMath | i'm used to that :) |
| 19:26.40 | CrystalMath | every elinks user gets to see that a lot of the time |
| 19:26.52 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, this is the first time I've seen my website in a text only format. |
| 19:26.56 | CrystalMath | but that's okay, repetition legitimizes |
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| 19:30.19 | Lady_Aleena | CrystalMath, can we take this to #debian-offtopic? We are straying in here. 8) |
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| 19:43.58 | AquaL1te | any thoughts on this? https://paste.centos.org/view/1af586a5 |
| 19:49.15 | karlpinc | AquaL1te: Check $PATH, which drbdadm, etc. Is there a -v option to show a version number? We can't really support you here because it's not debian. Try #raspbian |
| 19:49.23 | jmd | AquaL1te: I think it's a url |
| 19:50.10 | AquaL1te | karlpinc: those details are there, let me check my debian vm, i saw the same stuff there |
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| 19:52.58 | AquaL1te | also, when you do `man drbdadm`, the version at the bottom of the man page says 8.4. while the man pages are packaged for 8.3, 8.4 and 9.0 (which i guess is the same as 9.5.0) |
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| 19:59.05 | AquaL1te | drbdmeta has version 8.3 in the man page (raspbian + debian) |
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| 20:09.36 | AquaL1te | my rhel8 developer vm also has these things in the man pages, so it might be in the upstream distribution like this... i'll keep checking |
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| 20:39.38 | AquaL1te | quite strange, on my fedora workstation i also see DRBDADM_VERSION=9.13.1, but the kernel module is 8.4.11. i've send this question to the drbd mailing list. |
| 20:41.25 | alexb3600 | hello! I'm trying to compile a project which use a library (named vxi11). To do so, I compiled the library, then I put the header file into /usr/include folder of my linux and the .so file into /usr/local/lib but when I compile I have "undefined reference error" Did I do something wrong? |
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| 20:46.16 | greycat | alexb3600: if you compile it locally, you should be putting things in /usr/local/ not /usr/ |
| 20:46.46 | greycat | also don't forget to run ldconfig after putting new libraries in /usr/local/lib/ |
| 20:47.01 | greycat | (most "make install" things do that for you) |
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| 20:49.11 | David77 | Hello everyone! after 5 years i wanted to advance from jessie to stretch an old pc but the script on https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686 exit 'NOT OK: Missing one or more of the required CPU extensions' |
| 20:49.33 | David77 | "If your machine is not compatible with this requirement, it is recommended that you stay with Jessie for the reminder of its support cycle": if i upgrade to stretch nothing works? thank you |
| 20:50.02 | alexb3600 | greycat: Thanks for your advice :) |
| 20:50.26 | alexb3600 | greycat: I thought ldconfig would do the job but unfortunately not :/ |
| 20:51.19 | greycat | That's for run time, not linker time. For linking, you need -L/usr/local/lib and -lvxwhatever |
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| 20:56.35 | alexb3600 | greycat: Hum ok I will try, I thought this was automatically done because it is a default path |
| 20:57.45 | greycat | /usr/local/lib is a default path in the ld.so configuration, but I don't think it's a default in the linker/gcc config... unless that changed. |
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| 21:03.03 | alexb3600 | Thanks a lot, I have enough element to find my problem :) |
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| 21:09.21 | David77 | i hope it's only recommended if i've not 'one or more of the required CPU extensions' for jessie>stretch :-( |
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| 21:15.37 | chakpapa | Hi. Can anyone give me a link to installing Debian from Debootstrap chroot instead of the installer for more fine grained control but staying as close to the installer steps and not deviating away? |
| 21:15.47 | chakpapa | I mean any guide / documentation |
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| 21:19.21 | sney | !ig |
| 21:19.21 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 21:19.28 | sney | chakpapa: ^ this has a chapter on debootstrap. |
| 21:19.36 | chakpapa | Let me check |
| 21:20.06 | chakpapa | sney, bingo. That's it. Thanks |
| 21:20.06 | sney | specifically section D.3 |
| 21:20.10 | sney | np |
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| 21:23.51 | chakpapa | Does Debian Testing makes use of the security updates? Or is it useless and should be enabled only once it turns stable? |
| 21:24.11 | nkuttler | !testing security |
| 21:24.11 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty). |
| 21:24.56 | chakpapa | Ok Thanks |
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| 21:41.16 | David77 | !ig stretch |
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| 21:57.28 | wireddd | so, someone catch me up on what has happened since I was in here like 8 years ago |
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| 22:01.29 | Antoine| | Hello, where can I ask a hardware question? I'm wondering what this 8 pins (4 * 12V / GND) connector is for |
| 22:01.44 | sney | Antoine|: I'm pretty sure there's a ##hardware on this network |
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| 22:05.14 | Antoine| | sney: There is, thanks :) |
| 22:06.30 | David77 | I must to go. I try to request tomorrow. have a good day :-) |
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| 22:10.10 | karlpinc | wireddd: Not much. Non-free firmware is separated from "stock" debian. See the <firmware images> factoid. |
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| 22:15.43 | karlpinc | Oh yah. And "systemd". |
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| 22:17.12 | karlpinc | Is there any documentation on how to parse the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 22:21.24 | irreleph4nt | Hi. I have a server running Ubuntu 20.04 which I would like to convert in-place to Debian 10. The idea is to - for example - set everything up via debootstrap from within Ubuntu and with a single reboot change into Debian |
| 22:21.50 | irreleph4nt | Does anyone happen to have a guide handy which I can use for this? |
| 22:22.16 | karlpinc | irreleph4nt: Well, the debian install guide has a debootstrap section. |
| 22:22.37 | irreleph4nt | It needs to be in-place as I am not near the server and can't reboot into the debian installer to set things up remotely |
| 22:22.37 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.56 | karlpinc | irreleph4nt: _Should_ work. But pay attention to non-free firmware. Make sure that you at least have the firmware installed for essential hardware like your nic etc. That sort of operation is always spooky. |
| 22:23.58 | irreleph4nt | karlpinc, nice - on the surface this looks exactly like what I had in mind. Thanks a bunch! |
| 22:25.03 | karlpinc | irreleph4nt: Might want to start slow with a minimal debian install, with just a ssh server. Then build on that once you boot. I guess it _shouldn't_ matter in the end but you don't want anything to break the boot process. |
| 22:25.31 | irreleph4nt | yeah, I was planning along that sa,e thought |
| 22:25.36 | irreleph4nt | same* |
| 22:26.02 | irreleph4nt | as long as I can get debian to boot and greet me with an ssh connection, I am fine to do whatever later on |
| 22:26.46 | karlpinc | irreleph4nt: It always feels comfy to have a way to trigger a hard-reset and reboot into your old OS. |
| 22:27.03 | karlpinc | irreleph4nt: LVM might be nice too, so that later you can easily resize/reclaim space. |
| 22:27.48 | irreleph4nt | I am already using LVM for the Ubuntu install, so will make use of that to free some space for debian and later resize back to 100% |
| 22:28.04 | irreleph4nt | I might want to test-run this in a VM, though :D |
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| 22:28.32 | irreleph4nt | that server is not one I would enjoy getting stuck during boot |
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| 22:33.04 | karlpinc | irreleph4nt: I'd do a test-run for sure then, and make notes. |
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| 23:19.16 | oxek | ,v vagrant |
| 23:19.17 | judd | Package: vagrant on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.5+dfsg1-2; stretch: 1.9.1+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.0.2+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.3+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.2.9+dfsg-1; sid: 2.2.9+dfsg-1 |
| 23:19.38 | oxek | how can vagrant work in debian, since it requires virtualbox, but virtualbox is not in debian? |
| 23:19.46 | oxek | (I know it does not list virtualbox as dependency) |
| 23:20.33 | sney | "Vagrant is an open-source software product for building and maintaining portable virtual software development environments; e.g., for VirtualBox, KVM, Hyper-V, Docker containers, VMware, and AWS." |
| 23:20.54 | sney | it may be used most commonly with virtualbox but apparently does not require it specifically |
| 23:21.05 | oxek | interesting, on https://packages.debian.org/buster/vagrant it says "Vagrant uses Oracleâs VirtualBox to create its virtual machines and then uses Chef or Puppet to provision them." |
| 23:21.47 | oxek | ah, I see the description is different for bullseye |
| 23:21.49 | sney | sometimes debian package long descriptions lag behind |
| 23:22.16 | sney | #960570 |
| 23:22.17 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/960570 in vagrant (closed): «vagrant: doesn't use VirtualBox by default in Debian»; severity: minor; opened: 2020-05-14; last modified: 2020-06-22. |
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| 23:23.12 | oxek | I keep finding debian stable being really behind on descriptions, new packages being added (not new versions of existing packages, but actual new packages), incorrect dependencies, etc. |
| 23:23.17 | oxek | perhaps I really should look into testing |
| 23:23.20 | oxek | :( |
| 23:24.46 | sney | the debian archive is huge so stuff falls through the cracks sometimes. if you notice discrepancies like that, it's best to report them |
| 23:25.03 | oxek | they are reported, and fixed in sid and testing |
| 23:25.24 | sney | testing is in a very usable state right now as well. I'm using it in 2 places with no complaints |
| 23:26.10 | oxek | For example, moreutils has had a fixed version in testing since Feb 2019 |
| 23:26.15 | oxek | ,v moreutils |
| 23:26.16 | judd | Package: moreutils on amd64 -- jessie: 0.52; stretch: 0.60-1; buster: 0.62-1; bullseye: 0.63-1+b1; sid: 0.63-1+b1 |
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| 23:27.55 | sney | stable packages typically don't get updates (other than security) at all, this is by design. you could request a backport of moreutils. you could also upgrade to testing. or both even |
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| 23:33.30 | oxek | I guess I am still learning how debian works |
| 23:33.49 | oxek | in the announcement for 10.5, it listed many apps that were updated with bugfixes that are not security related |
| 23:34.02 | oxek | so I thought bugfixes, even non-security ones, are applied to stable |
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| 23:34.34 | sponix2ipfw | There are exceptions |
| 23:35.06 | sney | bugfixes that can be backported to the version in stable without causing serious usability/workflow changes often make it in, depending on the significance of the bug |
| 23:35.49 | sney | but you wouldn't get moreutils 0.63-1+b1 in stable after the freeze unless it was a *very serious* situation |
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| 23:53.38 | sponix2ipfw | sney: if he is serious about it. Doing a backport of it should be okay. Unless it has crazy dep issues |
| 23:54.17 | sney | indeed, and if the feature update/bugfix he noticed has a wide audience, it could get into buster-backports |
| 23:54.40 | sney | but it wouldn't be in buster main no matter how many point releases we get |
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| 23:58.07 | sponix2ipfw | oxek: you still alive? |
| 23:59.31 | sponix2ipfw | Hmm.. He must be off installing Arch |
