| 00:00.04 | themill | !point release |
| 00:00.04 | dpkg | Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release with "apt update && apt full-upgrade". Ask me about <9.11>, <10.1>.. https://release.debian.org/ for a schedule |
| 00:00.05 | MESSIAH | sney nope. I have information |
| 00:00.36 | MESSIAH | `N: Repository 'http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster InRelease' changed its 'Version' value from '10.4' to '10.5'` |
| 00:01.07 | sney | MESSIAH: see the message from dpkg, it is likely you already have all of the packages from 10.5. |
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| 00:02.36 | MESSIAH | sney `23 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.` but i can upgrade it |
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| 00:10.59 | MESSIAH | BUahahahahahhahaha |
| 00:11.15 | MESSIAH | After upgrade - smtp imap not working any more |
| 00:13.30 | MESSIAH | ONly for one e-mail |
| 00:13.42 | themill | You'll need to be much less vague if you're hoping for help |
| 00:14.48 | evilbug | email no work pls halp |
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| 00:32.51 | MESSIAH | Fixed! By restart dovecot and postfix |
| 00:33.11 | MESSIAH | evilbug any details? |
| 00:34.43 | evilbug | i was just jking. |
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| 00:40.52 | sinack | could someone provide assistance for adding/remove current graphics packages on a new buster xfce install... I have terrible screen tearing/sync issues and the debian wiki suggested removing the current package and installing another. I dont want to get a black screen so do I simply install the new package first? |
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| 03:54.34 | iateadonut | i have a symlink to create my /etc/hosts, e.g. sudo ln -s ~/etc/hosts /etc/hosts - and i'm getting permissions errors: systemd-resolved[856]: Failed to open /etc/hosts: Permission denied - wondering how i can resolve that. |
| 03:55.57 | sney | did you actually use ~ ? that would expand differently for root or a service account than it would for your user. |
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| 04:10.58 | iateadonut | sney, no. i used /home/dan/etc/hosts |
| 04:11.18 | iateadonut | i was trying to preserve my secret identity |
| 04:11.30 | iateadonut | and if i do 'cat /etc/hosts', i can see the contents of the file. |
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| 04:13.36 | sney | /etc/hosts shouldn't be a symlink. I doubt anything is tested with that. keep /etc/hosts as the file and put the symlink in /home. |
| 04:13.44 | somiaj | iateadonut: systemctl show systemd-resolved shows that User=systemd-resolve, does that user have access to said file in /home/foo/ |
| 04:14.53 | somiaj | but this almost sounds like an xy problem, why do you want this to be a link anyways? |
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| 04:17.22 | iateadonut | somiaj, yeah, i'll check that. |
| 04:17.38 | somiaj | iateadonut: what is your goal from this link? |
| 04:17.46 | iateadonut | when i dual boot i like to keep a lot of the same configuration files. |
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| 04:19.54 | somiaj | Maybe others might have some other solutions that don't require links. Also maybe just use /home/etc for this instaed of /home/user/etc (here I"m assuming /home is the partition that ist he same across oses) |
| 04:20.14 | somiaj | this way you can keep things owned as root, and not have as many layers of permsision to make sure things are readable. |
| 04:22.07 | somiaj | I have heard of people using git for the config files in /etc they like to keep a custom version of. |
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| 04:27.01 | foul_owl_ | How do you install flash player in Debian 10? |
| 04:27.34 | somiaj | not easily, I personally suggest getting google-chrome from google and using their bundeled flash (though they may loose that soon too) |
| 04:28.10 | foul_owl_ | Thank you! It's just to play some old flash games |
| 04:28.18 | somiaj | ,i gnash |
| 04:28.19 | judd | No package named 'gnash' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 04:28.57 | themill | ,bug rm gnash |
| 04:29.00 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/895736 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: gnash - unmaintained, deprecated, RC-buggy, depends on legacy libs»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-04-15; last modified: 2018-07-03. |
| 04:29.52 | somiaj | well I was gonna say gnash might work, but seems it is dead too (not surprised) |
| 04:29.59 | foul_owl_ | Gotcha! |
| 04:30.28 | foul_owl_ | I know it's stupid, just have a bunch of old legacy flash games I enjoy |
| 04:31.05 | somiaj | foul_owl_: adobe still has both the napi and papi plugins, but they are getting harder and harder to actually manually install...flash is dead |
| 04:31.21 | somiaj | which is a pain for your use case..:/ |
| 04:31.30 | foul_owl_ | I realize that :( No worries |
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| 04:32.22 | foul_owl_ | Worst case I'll get it set up in a vm and just keep that around forever with no internet connectivity |
| 04:32.24 | somiaj | Well hopefully google-chrome will work for you. |
| 04:32.28 | foul_owl_ | Thank you! |
| 04:39.00 | somiaj | foul_owl_: according to https://www.blog.google/products/chrome/saying-goodbye-flash-chrome/, google-chrome will run flash (with your permission) until the end of this year. Might want to keep an .deb around of an older version if it works, as it might be removed next year. |
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| 04:59.00 | foul_owl_ | It worked! I'll make a vm and save it forever :D |
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| 04:59.04 | foul_owl_ | ty!! |
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| 08:05.49 | gvth | Hi; simple question: Does anyone know of a graphical (I mean real GUI, not ncurses or similar) file manager that supports showing only files within a directory that match a given regexp? |
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| 08:09.12 | gvth | seems like there aren't many active here this daytime. I will ask again in a couple of hours... |
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| 08:32.26 | themill | gvth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers#Search_features |
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| 08:43.06 | gvth | themill: thanks a bunch, double commander does the job for me |
| 08:46.06 | themill | np |
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| 08:54.44 | wrksx | !âste |
| 08:54.46 | wrksx | !pste |
| 08:54.48 | wrksx | !paste |
| 08:55.00 | Haohmaru | bruh |
| 08:55.07 | Haohmaru | paste.debian.net |
| 08:55.08 | wrksx | sorry guys |
| 08:55.24 | wrksx | thanks |
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| 09:00.13 | wrksx | Hey, got this in the logs, I suspect a disk failure, but not sure, still testing. Had to reboot the server since most usefull commands would return IO errors (readonly disk?). I don't really understand what the log means, is there anything about it that you could tell me? |
| 09:00.16 | wrksx | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e6a70f89/ |
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| 09:24.46 | ksk | wrksx: replace the disk in question, restore from backups. |
| 09:25.05 | ksk | It might be related to cables/Sata controller, but that is rather unlikely. |
| 09:27.18 | wrksx | ksk: right, this is an SSD drive, I suppose same answer apply? |
| 09:28.11 | wrksx | I'll change cables too while I'm at it |
| 09:30.10 | ksk | Yap. |
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| 09:36.30 | wrksx | ksk: do you think there's a way to get that covered by the hardware warranty? |
| 09:37.29 | ksk | I do think so, best contact your vendor ;) |
| 09:38.22 | wrksx | ksk: will give that a try then, have a nice day |
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| 09:42.22 | efloid | hello, trying to configure passwordless sudo for members of sudo group, however the syntax '%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL' appears to not work with the version of sudo in Buster |
| 09:42.55 | efloid | fwiw '%sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL' also is not working |
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| 09:53.15 | eventhorizon5 | efloid: I have mine set to a specific user instead of to the sudo group, and it works fine for me. Is there any directive afterwards that is overriding it for you? You could also try it for a single user and see if that works. |
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| 09:57.24 | efloid | eventhorizon5: no overriding directive. sudoers file is identical to other machines |
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| 09:58.05 | ksk | and it does work on other machines? is the user you are testing with actually in the sudo group then? :> |
| 09:58.55 | efloid | eventhorizon5: is this correct? 'user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL' |
| 09:59.04 | efloid | ksk: yes it works on others |
| 09:59.28 | efloid | ksk yes 'groups' command shows user is 'sudo' |
| 09:59.44 | eventhorizon5 | Here's mine - "ryan ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" |
| 09:59.50 | efloid | ty |
| 10:00.32 | ksk | efloid: how do you test? Did you relog the user? |
| 10:00.51 | ksk | depending on what kind of session you use that might be needed. |
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| 10:01.15 | eventhorizon5 | also type "groups" in a shell to see if you're actually in the sudo group |
| 10:01.20 | efloid | ksk: yes logged out several times |
| 10:01.36 | efloid | ksk: tested with 'sudo -i' |
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| 10:02.12 | ksk | No idea then, sorry. |
| 10:02.13 | efloid | eventhorizon5: thanks yes in the sudo group |
| 10:02.20 | efloid | ksk: thanks for trying! |
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| 10:03.28 | efloid | ksk: what syntax do you use? |
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| 10:06.40 | ksk | I do not use passwordless. If you say you have identical versions of debian and $packages, and it works on one machine and not the other.. I would somehow suspect you got the syntax right.. |
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| 11:18.55 | alx^ | when using 'sensors -u', I can see that some sensors have an 'alarm' value (e.g. temp5_crit_alarm). It is currently set to '0' but anyway, I don't see any reference to an alarm system in 'sensors'/'lm-sensors'. Is there actually one ? |
| 11:19.04 | alx^ | My objective is just to send e-mail alerts |
| 11:19.39 | alx^ | if a given temperature is reached |
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| 11:30.45 | RoyK | alx^: I've given up on lmsensors ages ago. I get more noise than answers |
| 11:32.24 | kline | alx^: https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/dmaze/debian/Packages/lm-sensors/lm-sensors-2.8.0/doc/lm_sensors-FAQ.html#Section%204.10 |
| 11:32.37 | kline | 4.10 Can I be alerted when an ALARM occurs? |
| 11:32.37 | kline | No, you can't; and it may well be never supporte.d |
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| 11:33.30 | kline | the rest of the document does have info on using the alarm functions though |
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| 11:34.41 | RoyK | sticks to zabbix for alerts and such |
| 11:35.16 | RoyK | but then - everytime I try lmsensors it's something yelling ALARM on a system that works perfectly |
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| 12:48.40 | ozfalcon | How would I get just one specific application to use a VPN? |
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| 12:52.20 | ksk | ozfalcon: you want to understand (TCP)IP, and routing. |
| 12:53.25 | ksk | If you really want to do it on an application-level, take a look at containers |
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| 13:20.08 | shtrb | Will debian move to systemd-logind in testing ? |
| 13:21.21 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 13:21.22 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 13:21.47 | greycat | (Did they move AWAY from it in testing, since stable?! Weird shit.) |
| 13:22.15 | greycat | (Are you asking "Will they move back to it, after they moved away from it?" Or are you just confused? The world may never know.) |
| 13:22.32 | shtrb | I'm confused |
| 13:23.04 | greycat | buster systemd systems are using it. |
| 13:23.11 | shtrb | oh |
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| 13:24.02 | shtrb | also regarding the new encrypted home modules ? |
| 13:24.21 | greycat | I have literally no idea what you are talking about. |
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| 13:25.06 | shtrb | ok , then I mixed stuff , thanks |
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| 13:50.09 | shtrb | greycat, It seems that I had mixed systemd-homed with systemd-logind |
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| 14:15.56 | jelly | what there's a homed now/ |
| 14:16.33 | jelly | etcd, homed, soon: vard? bootd is already taken by OSX innit |
| 14:16.53 | Antoine| | Hello, I use LVM. I have three disks (2TB, 2TB and 4TB). Each correspond to a physical volume. All three physical volumes are merged in one volume group. Then I have several logical volume. I would like to convert one logical volume from linear to mirrored. The logical volume is 3.2T and I have 3.2T free space in my volume group. Can I do that? |
| 14:17.10 | Antoine| | I tried `sudo lvconvert -m 1 /dev/mvg/Medias` but it said I don't have enough free space |
| 14:17.11 | jelly | Antoine|, best ask in #lvm channel |
| 14:17.18 | Antoine| | jelly: Ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:18.29 | jelly | you could be needlessly complex and first make a md raid0 or a dm stripe out of two 2TB devices, and only then use that as a PV |
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| 14:19.16 | jelly | having two 4TB sized PVs would presumably allow for a 3.2TB mirrored LV |
| 14:19.49 | jelly | I have NO idea whether LVM can do that automagically on its own given your PV setup |
| 14:20.56 | shtrb | jelly , you didn't see the trully crazy part , there will be more sane /home/userdir folder |
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| 14:21.42 | greycat | Go on, amuse me. What is "more sane" about a daemon doing something to user home directories, versus having them be... just... plain... old... directories? |
| 14:21.44 | escanor | Hi i installed kali on vm |
| 14:21.56 | jelly | I don't care about RedHat's fixed ideas that allow read-only / and read-only /etc functionality |
| 14:21.57 | greycat | !kali |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 14:22.27 | shtrb | *greycat , no more sane way to handle /home/userdir |
| 14:22.28 | escanor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.56 | escanor | When i enter credential i get a black screen |
| 14:23.10 | escanor | Desktop is not loading |
| 14:23.17 | Antoine| | jelly: Oh so if I understood, my issue might be that I'd need to select a pv to mirror my lv but my lv is larger than my 2TB pvs |
| 14:23.22 | Antoine| | jelly: I asked in #lvm, thanks :) |
| 14:23.26 | greycat | Why not ask in #fedora? Or #macosx? Those are also not Kali. Why pick *us*? |
| 14:23.45 | jelly | greycat, ah, there's actually an answer to that, but you won't like it |
| 14:24.28 | shtrb | kalie ~ #debian-next |
| 14:24.31 | greycat | I can think of a few. "They kicked me from kali's channel" is the main one. "Kali's channel won't talk to me" is the lighter version. "Kali's developers sent me here by their choice of default settings" is probably the one you're thinking of though. |
| 14:27.21 | jelly | greycat, wherever there's an issue or a question about a specific component that's imported from upstreamlargerly unchanged (by their opinion), it is likely they might point to the upstream's channel. They consider Debian as upstream. |
| 14:27.41 | greycat | But the one that really *bothers* me is "I heard you tell me to go to the kali channel but I am ignoring you. I am going to stay here in the wrong channel and pester everyone." |
| 14:28.17 | greycat | Or the lighter variant of that, "But this channel has more people!!!" |
| 14:28.20 | jelly | We, OTOH consider almost ANY issue happening on derivative distros, as not topical in here. |
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| 14:28.33 | jelly | the two channels have incompatible policies. |
| 14:29.01 | greycat | I also observed that this person claimed they *installed* Kali. That's just not a thing one is even supposed to do. |
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| 14:33.46 | jelly | I have no idea what one is supposed to do with it or not; I did manage to figure out the relevant bits of their unwritten policy before getting banned from #kali-linux |
| 14:34.42 | NetTerminalGene | why isn't there kiwix software in repo? |
| 14:34.46 | escanor | sorry guys |
| 14:34.58 | NetTerminalGene | ,v kiwix |
| 14:34.59 | judd | Package: kiwix on amd64 -- bullseye: 2.0.4-2; sid: 2.0.4-3 |
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| 14:35.26 | escanor | greycat: I did not knew about the issues between channel |
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| 14:36.17 | jelly | escanor, no problem, you couldn't have known in advance. We can try to help if you get the same issue on an actual Debian installation instead. |
| 14:36.56 | escanor | Ohh |
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| 14:37.24 | escanor | thanks guys for your support |
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| 14:52.32 | jelly | we did not give a lot of actual support did we |
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| 15:01.29 | sinack | could someone provide assistance for adding/remove current graphics packages on a new buster xfce install... I have terrible screen tearing/sync issues and the debian wiki suggested removing the current package and installing another. I dont want to get a black screen so do I simply install the new package first? |
| 15:02.09 | greycat | Try installing firmware first. Check 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' to see if there are files it wants to load and is failing to. |
| 15:03.34 | sinack | that gives no results |
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| 15:06.15 | sinack | I did uninstall the firmware; is a reboot needed? |
| 15:06.44 | greycat | you *what* |
| 15:06.57 | MorganSoulless | *grabs popcorn* |
| 15:07.03 | dob1 | I am mounting /proc with hidepid=1 so every user can see only its own processes: as user I am starting a virtual box vm, if as user I do ps aux or htop i don't see the vm process. if as root I do the same I see the vm process and its user it's my user... why? |
| 15:08.27 | sinack | says to use the built-in modesettings driver... is any action needed to activate that? |
| 15:08.38 | greycat | sinack: What hardware is it? (lspci -nn) What package did you remove, and why? What wiki page were you reading previously? What package did the wiki page say to reinstall, and why? |
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| 15:09.10 | sinack | wiki.debian.org |
| 15:09.16 | greycat | what *page* |
| 15:09.24 | sinack | Intel integrated graphics |
| 15:10.00 | greycat | googles that shit and tries to find an ACTUAL PAGE |
| 15:10.09 | sinack | how do I paste? |
| 15:10.30 | greycat | If you're in X, you paste with the middle (second) mouse button, after highlighting with the first (left) button. |
| 15:11.22 | sinack | https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard#Intel |
| 15:11.36 | sinack | my mistake, I was on my host |
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| 15:12.23 | greycat | For most devices, it should simply *work* out of the box, without you having to uninstall drivers. What device is it? |
| 15:13.06 | sinack | Intel HD 530 |
| 15:13.31 | sinack | it works, it's tolerable, but has some screen tearing when scrolling or most video playback |
| 15:13.43 | greycat | Google is telling me the 530 is associated with Skylake. Yes? |
| 15:13.48 | sinack | yes |
| 15:14.12 | greycat | Skylake should work out of the box on Debian after you install the non-free firmware. You *definitely* should have seen some files from "dmesg | grep -i firmware" (as root). |
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| 15:14.25 | jelly | debian does not care a lot about tuning things to avoid tearing, by default |
| 15:14.54 | jelly | it might point to unaccelerated graphics running |
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| 15:15.32 | greycat | The box I'm using now is a Skylake, but lspci -nn says it's got 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 630 [8086:5912] (rev 04) |
| 15:15.38 | sinack | I haven't manually installed any firmware, so should I do that? |
| 15:15.59 | sinack | lspci -nn says I have HD Graphics 530 |
| 15:16.01 | jelly | sinack, if package firmware-misc-nonfree is not installed, try installing it |
| 15:16.09 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 15:16.09 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 15:16.32 | jelly | that's where /lib/firmware/i915 seems to hide |
| 15:16.40 | jelly | with its contents |
| 15:16.53 | greycat | yes, you want firmware-misc-nonfree on Skylake boxes |
| 15:17.06 | sinack | tyvm, I'll give it a shot |
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| 15:18.01 | jelly | other things might be missing as well |
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| 15:19.19 | jelly | I can't remember the bits needed for hardware accelerated vc9 / h264 / h265 decoding |
| 15:19.54 | jelly | lowers down the temp when playing movies on a laptop by a celsius or two |
| 15:20.54 | jelly | ,i i965-va-driver |
| 15:20.56 | judd | Package i965-va-driver (video, optional) in buster/amd64: VAAPI driver for Intel G45 & HD Graphics family. Version: 2.3.0+dfsg1-1; Size: 304.0k; Installed: 1793k; Homepage: https://01.org/linuxmedia/vaapi |
| 15:21.00 | jelly | that thing. |
| 15:21.52 | jelly | and who knows whether browsers detect that or not. mpv player does in Debian 10, needed some manual tuning previously |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | ,i vainfo |
| 15:22.24 | judd | Package vainfo (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Video Acceleration (VA) API for Linux -- info program. Version: 2.4.0+ds1-1; Size: 14.7k; Installed: 43k; Homepage: https://github.com/intel/libva-utils; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/vainfo |
| 15:22.44 | jelly | ^ cmdline tool to see whether VAAPI codecs are available |
| 15:23.45 | jelly | libgl1-mesa-dri is probably installed by default. |
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| 15:41.07 | dacencora | hey guys. Ok still trying to figure this out. I am running debian on a laptop with an i7-9750H and an NVIDIA GTX 1650. On heavy disk I/O, the whole thing freezes. I was looking it up, and based on my searching, I put 'intel_idle.max_cstate=1' |
| 15:41.36 | dacencora | That actually stopped the freezing, but all apps are still not super responsive when under heavy disk I/O |
| 15:42.13 | dacencora | My mouse works, but apps are still more or less broken. So I think this cstate thing is on the right track, but it's not quite the resolution |
| 15:42.17 | dacencora | Any ideas? |
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| 15:49.15 | gordonfish | dacencora: How much RAM does that laptop have? Sounds like it's doing a lot of swapping perhaps? |
| 15:49.23 | dacencora | 32GB |
| 15:49.41 | dacencora | Increasing vm.swappiness doesn't seem to help either |
| 15:49.43 | gordonfish | Oh, that's plenty. How much swap, and si it HDD or SSD? |
| 15:49.45 | gordonfish | is* |
| 15:49.51 | dacencora | SSD |
| 15:50.05 | dacencora | I have seen the same behavior whether I use the nvme or sata SSD |
| 15:50.19 | dacencora | 32GB swap |
| 15:50.23 | gordonfish | Hmm... how much swap? |
| 15:51.00 | dacencora | I have also fiddled with swap, going from 1G all the way to 32G, which is what I currently have |
| 15:51.07 | dacencora | Still no difference |
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| 15:51.56 | jelly | dacencora, just for fun, which io scheduler is active? Eg what does this say: grep . /sys/block/[sn]*/queue/scheduler |
| 15:52.46 | dacencora | mq-deadline |
| 15:52.53 | jelly | that's fine |
| 15:53.05 | gordonfish | dacencora: swap partition or swap file? |
| 15:53.23 | dacencora | I have tried both, but currently it is a partition (lvm) |
| 15:53.37 | jelly | dacencora, default kernel? Which debian release, what does "uname -a" say? |
| 15:54.00 | dacencora | Linux harbinger 4.19.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.132-1 (2020-07-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:54.14 | jelly | default debian 10 kernel, then |
| 15:54.25 | dacencora | Should be 10.4, not sure if I did the full upgrade to .5 yet |
| 15:55.06 | jelly | you could blindly try if using a backported kernel makes things any different (also, try it without that cstate tuning if you do) |
| 15:55.11 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 15:55.12 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 15:55.48 | dacencora | I thought the same as you did, and I have tried it with kernels all the way up to 5.6, and even tried different schedulers |
| 15:55.52 | dacencora | I am stumped haha |
| 15:56.01 | jelly | but two things: nvidia driver might break with a newer kernel; newer, matching, firmware from backports might also be needed for the newer kernel to work |
| 15:56.15 | jelly | ah, you've been there already |
| 15:56.29 | dacencora | I have to wonder if maybe it's some hardware flaw of some kind |
| 15:56.44 | gordonfish | dacencora: You might need to adjust swappiness so it swaps less, which can help when you have that much RAM. |
| 15:56.46 | gordonfish | https://www.howtogeek.com/449691/what-is-swapiness-on-linux-and-how-to-change-it/ |
| 15:56.58 | jelly | I suspect it's just Linux woes on reasonably new hardware |
| 15:57.27 | gordonfish | Feels more just like a bottle neck |
| 15:57.39 | dacencora | So decrease vm.swappiness? |
| 15:58.19 | gordonfish | swapping between disk and ram while doing a lot of IO on a bus that can't handle that load so well |
| 15:58.28 | dacencora | jelly: you may be right about the new hardware. Another laptop with i7 7700hq does not have the same issue |
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| 15:59.05 | f8e4 | hi , how to find out what is on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ ? |
| 15:59.05 | gordonfish | dacencora: Try setting it to 0 as a test as that should cause it hold off swapping until it's really needed. |
| 15:59.15 | dacencora | OK I will try that |
| 15:59.22 | jelly | you could echo vm.swappiness=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf to minimize aggressive swapping but does your system actually actively swap or not |
| 15:59.31 | gordonfish | That'll at least give some indication of my bottle neck hypothesis is on the right track. |
| 15:59.39 | jelly | I suspect it doesn't really |
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| 16:00.24 | jelly | dacencora, run "vmstat 1" in a second terminal an put it on top of other windows, see if you can see activity in si / so columns when things start to lag |
| 16:00.29 | dacencora | OK I am testing it now. The easiest way for me to reproduce the issue is to start a large download |
| 16:00.30 | gordonfish | jelly: The heavy IO really feels like too much going over the bus at once, so swapping while under leavy IO load already is going to slow things down, I've seen it enough. |
| 16:00.58 | jelly | gordonfish, but with a nvme ssd backend? |
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| 16:01.18 | jelly | even sata3 can easily do 600MB/s |
| 16:01.30 | gordonfish | jelly: He said it's a laptop and it's quite possible it has less bandwidth then a desktop mother board would. |
| 16:01.39 | gordonfish | than* |
| 16:02.01 | dacencora | OK vm.swappiness=0 does not do anything different |
| 16:02.02 | jelly | nvme ssds are usually put directly on pcie |
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| 16:02.04 | dacencora | Still froze |
| 16:02.07 | gordonfish | jelly: It still depends on how much can move through the bus lanes |
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| 16:02.44 | dacencora | At some point the vmstat swpd column changed from 512 to 768 |
| 16:03.14 | gordonfish | dacencora: How much RAM is free at this moment? |
| 16:03.39 | jelly | dacencora, that's in kibibytes and a really tiny number, ignorable |
| 16:04.02 | jelly | look at "available" column of "free" command output |
| 16:04.26 | f8e4 | got it |
| 16:04.27 | jelly | (or free -h, or free -m, however you like to run it) |
| 16:04.47 | oiaohm | jelly: over all if you are in a deep enough IO hole it really does not matter if you are old school spinning rust or modern SSD neither has enough speed to match ram. |
| 16:05.09 | dacencora | Well I stopped the process |
| 16:05.28 | dacencora | But free -h only shows 806Mi free |
| 16:05.32 | oiaohm | Also once in the hole changing swap values take a long time to take effect. |
| 16:05.45 | dacencora | And 27Gi in buff/cache |
| 16:05.51 | gordonfish | If it's showing a lot of ram being used, I've found `sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches` in the past to be of help (though that was back when I had around 4 or less GB of ram, so I haven't needed that in a long time.) |
| 16:06.35 | gordonfish | dacencora: Yeah give that command a try |
| 16:06.36 | dacencora | Oh but you said the 'available' column and that shows 27Gi |
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| 16:06.43 | oiaohm | dacencora: when you say free how much is in buff/cache |
| 16:06.45 | gordonfish | sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 16:07.24 | dacencora | buff/cache has 27Gi |
| 16:07.46 | dacencora | But now all of that has gone back to fre |
| 16:07.49 | dacencora | *free. |
| 16:07.59 | dacencora | Ok I am trying that command gordonfish |
| 16:08.16 | oiaohm | Please note drop_caches can be double sided. |
| 16:08.30 | oiaohm | Yes you drop the ram caches but then you can need to re populate them. |
| 16:09.03 | gordonfish | oiaohm: It can help when memory is being held onto when it really doesn't need to be |
| 16:09.04 | oiaohm | but if you think the cache system is fragmented/lost dropping is fix. |
| 16:09.17 | gordonfish | Yeah that |
| 16:09.50 | jelly | !free ram |
| 16:09.50 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 16:10.11 | jelly | if drop_caches helps, then kernel is buggy |
| 16:10.33 | oiaohm | There are a few known ways that the Linux kernel is buggy. |
| 16:10.47 | jelly | there are several things that can be done to nudge it to react better |
| 16:11.05 | oiaohm | Fun one is disable swap completely and see different memory structures of the Linux kernel lose means to defragment in ram. |
| 16:11.18 | jelly | oiaohm, yes, but I'm ignoring the "linux kernel is buggy by default" truism |
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| 16:11.47 | jelly | and most of those were supposed to be fixed around 3.14 - 4.x times |
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| 16:12.42 | jelly | I'm saying most just because I haven't seen a system without swap deteriorate horribly that way in a while (except if it's still running EL7) |
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| 16:12.53 | gordonfish | jelly: Yeah, 'specially compared to the ntkernel (which don't get me wrong, has come a long way since NT 4, but still harbors man bugs from that era...) |
| 16:12.56 | gordonfish | many* |
| 16:12.58 | jelly | (and our context is #debian ...) |
| 16:13.12 | oiaohm | jelly: there are still in the latest release 14 areas using push structure to swap to allow reposition in memory. It is possible to run a system and avoid them all. |
| 16:13.26 | jelly | fun |
| 16:13.49 | oiaohm | I am looking forward to the day when that number is truly zero. |
| 16:13.54 | jelly | release 14 of what? |
| 16:14.02 | jelly | er, /me can't read |
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| 16:15.46 | oiaohm | The push to swap turns out to be a safe way to alter structures handling to allow moving without push to swap. If you are needing to pull that structure back from swap while its being moved the handling code is not right is how they do it. |
| 16:16.06 | oiaohm | So new methods for defraging the Linux kernel structures in memory are done by push to swap. |
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| 16:16.34 | oiaohm | And the list of structures in the Linux kernel that need defragmentation in memory does have a upper limit. |
| 16:17.28 | jelly | oiaohm, obviously the fastest approach is to put some swap in RAM |
| 16:17.50 | jhutchins | jelly: Um, that doesn't make ANY sense. |
| 16:18.07 | gordonfish | Wasn't that from TDWTF? |
| 16:18.22 | jelly | I am only half joking. |
| 16:18.25 | oiaohm | jhutchins: If that is about swap in ram it does make sense with the Linux kernel. |
| 16:18.25 | longears | Is a way or a tool Detect to detect which drives were part of RAID? I have 7 different HDDs and only two of them were a part of RAID 0. Now just need to find them and reassemble the array. |
| 16:18.41 | jelly | the other half is "zram swap" |
| 16:18.51 | jhutchins | oiaohm: No, it doesn't. |
| 16:18.58 | jhutchins | Swap is OUT of RAM. |
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| 16:19.06 | oiaohm | jhutchins: Linux supports swap in ram. |
| 16:19.18 | oiaohm | Wacky world of Linux. |
| 16:19.27 | jhutchins | oiaohm: If it's in RAM, it's not swapped. |
| 16:19.33 | teclo- | .v musescore |
| 16:19.43 | RoyK | longears: just run mdadm --examine on those drives or partitions |
| 16:19.45 | jhutchins | I think we're using the wrong terms here. Swap is ram-to-disk. |
| 16:19.47 | oiaohm | jhutchins: it is swaped Just because stuff is still in ram |
| 16:20.04 | jelly | jhutchins, Linux supports two different ways to put compressed RAM pages into a different dedicated bit of RAM used as swap backend |
| 16:20.16 | jhutchins | oiaohm: That's something other than the traditional meaning of swap. |
| 16:20.21 | RoyK | longears: btw, there's #linux-raid where people talk a lot about these things |
| 16:20.26 | jelly | both are useful |
| 16:20.45 | longears | RoyK: Thanks. It will work even if it's a non virtual drive? I have a RAID controller in that machine. |
| 16:20.49 | longears | Oh, thanks. :) |
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| 16:21.45 | dacencora | OK guys I am back |
| 16:22.05 | jelly | jhutchins, zram helps if you're running Chromium and a GUI on 2-4GB RAM, has compression up to 1:3 with 1:2.5 typical on desktop, but unreliable latency. zswap does only up to 1:2 but has reliable latencies. |
| 16:22.12 | dacencora | If you couldn't guess, drop_caches did *not* work unfortunately |
| 16:22.21 | dacencora | Had to hard boot |
| 16:22.45 | jelly | so you probably ARE hitting some edge case |
| 16:23.09 | jelly | or maybe you have nvidia driver doing something crazy, if that's a thing you're using |
| 16:23.20 | dacencora | IIRC, I also had this issue with an 8750h laptop |
| 16:23.35 | dacencora | The 9750h is essentially the same chip |
| 16:23.59 | dacencora | If I were a betting man, I'd wager it's something to do with 6 cores/12 threads on a laptop |
| 16:24.02 | jelly | does it make sense to try disabling nvidia and not loading it, for your use case? |
| 16:24.17 | dacencora | jelly: I can try that for sure |
| 16:25.50 | jelly | almost bought a 6c/12thr amd laptop but went with a lighter intel instead |
| 16:26.03 | dacencora | The next step is to try and load Windows on the other hard drive and see if the issue exists there as well |
| 16:26.19 | dacencora | After disabling nvidia, of course |
| 16:27.01 | oiaohm | jhutchins: not really. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/ramdisk.txt fun part is you don't have todo compressed ram do have swap in ram. Yes ram can pretend to be a disc and that can be swap to the kernel. You have zram and zswap for compressed versions of swap. |
| 16:29.09 | oiaohm | jhutchins: big thing is swap in Linux means that its altered in the memory map to no longer be accessible without generating a page fault to pull it back out of where even it been stored. |
| 16:30.25 | oiaohm | Due to the fact Linux kernel can in fact use memory as swap using the swap system to sort of structure defragmentation issues is classed as an acceptable path. |
| 16:33.32 | oiaohm | jhutchins: also fun thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVDIMM to need to hibernate right you need swap. What are going going todo when your storage is in fact connected to the ram memory controller. So welcome to fun here you do need to support swap in ram for the case that ram is not ram but is in fact flash as well. |
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| 16:34.39 | Zevv | Hi #debian; I have a 11 year old unstable install that I have been updating weekly or so, never any problems. Since last week I have some funny font issues - some missing glyphs in my urxvt, and firefox renders some websites with a strange fat font. I'm not sure how to approach debugging this, any hints? |
| 16:35.10 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 16:35.10 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 16:37.02 | jelly | oiaohm, suddently, optane starts sounding useful |
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| 16:37.50 | Zevv | thanks |
| 16:38.29 | gordonfish | jelly: It can be, but I sometimes get annoyed when someone asks me "how to add octane" to their computer, since they vaguely heard about it somewhere |
| 16:39.55 | Zevv | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.00 | Zevv | oh |
| 16:40.03 | Zevv | dang, wrong widnow, sorry :/ |
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| 16:41.45 | jelly | OFTC network is that way --> |
| 16:42.04 | gordonfish | Right behind the stripmall down the street |
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| 16:44.40 | oiaohm | jelly: yes the different way Linux swap is done does make sense when you get into insanely expensive hardware. |
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| 16:48.01 | Copenhagen_Bram | Hello! |
| 16:48.12 | Copenhagen_Bram | How do I modify the boot config on a Debian live USB? |
| 16:49.07 | Copenhagen_Bram | If I mount it from the USB and try to edit grub.cfg, it's read-only. I tried to edit the ISO with ISO Master, and Etcher says the result has a missing boot partition. |
| 16:49.19 | Copenhagen_Bram | err, missing partition table, that is. |
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| 17:18.47 | somiaj | Copenhagen_Bram: what is the use case, why do you need to modify this (note debian .iso are hibred, so modifing them isn't really possible without rebuilding the whole image) |
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| 17:20.08 | Copenhagen_Bram | The use case is I'm trying to make a Debian Live USB with encrypted persistence. |
| 17:20.10 | somiaj | !hybrid images |
| 17:20.10 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 17:20.28 | sney | the debian live manual is here, and has instructions for building your own: https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/index.en.html |
| 17:20.35 | Copenhagen_Bram | Alright |
| 17:20.49 | somiaj | You might have to build your own image for that, unsure if this is something that can just be modified without messing up the image. |
| 17:20.55 | sney | I don't know if it covers persistent live, but there are blogs and howtos around the internet that can be adapted for persistence |
| 17:20.57 | mutante | isn't "live" and "persistence" like the opposite of each other? |
| 17:21.20 | sney | not really, you can have an immutable OS and a writable /home |
| 17:21.31 | mutante | ah, just for /home. ok |
| 17:21.41 | somiaj | Copenhagen_Bram: what method are you using for persistance, maybe adapt the method (some I think manually copy the iso contents and use syslinux) |
| 17:21.43 | Copenhagen_Bram | Well, all I have to do is add some boot options to /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /isolinux/menu.cfg |
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| 17:24.12 | Copenhagen_Bram | somiaj: LUKS encrypted partition with an ext4 filesystem labeled "persistence" with a file called persistence.conf containing "/ union". Then edit the boot menus for grub and isolinux to include an option called "Debian Live with Encrypted Persistence" that's identical to the default option but with some options added next to splash and quiet: persistent=cryptsetup persistence-encryption=luks |
| 17:24.14 | Copenhagen_Bram | persistence |
| 17:24.24 | Copenhagen_Bram | That's the menu I'm trying to use. |
| 17:24.32 | Copenhagen_Bram | err, I mean method |
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| 17:33.11 | somiaj | Copenhagen_Bram: maybe there is a way to do this, but my (limited) understanding of the hybrid images is they are very fininky, and you probably can't edit the image directly |
| 17:34.03 | somiaj | using live-build and building a custom image might be a better approch, there is also #debian-live on irc.oftc.net (though unsure how much it is used these days) |
| 17:34.28 | mulletman | If i use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 to nuke my mbr should I still be able to boot via gpt? I am getting errors that I have both and need to get rid of one of them? |
| 17:35.14 | somiaj | gpt partition tables won't have an 'mbr' section on them, so unsure what that is supose to do on a gpt partition table? |
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| 17:35.41 | somiaj | is the partition table on /dev/sda mbr or gpt? |
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| 17:36.39 | mulletman | well according to the two imaging programs i tried (clonezilla and redorescue) I have both GPT and MBR which is throwing those imaging programs for a loop and both said i need to delete either one or the other (MBR or GPT) |
| 17:37.11 | somiaj | I don't see how you can have both mbr and gpt partititon tables, so this seems odd. |
| 17:37.27 | wwilliam | how to find out the IP address of ehapp1 |
| 17:37.29 | wwilliam | ehapp1:/pw/export/prod/share/bin nfs 400G 245G 155G 62% /pw/prod/share/bin |
| 17:37.38 | mulletman | somiaj, me either :/ |
| 17:37.44 | somiaj | wwilliam: 'ping ehapp1'? |
| 17:37.54 | wwilliam | Thanks |
| 17:37.58 | greycat | wwilliam: getent hosts ehapp1 |
| 17:38.31 | wwilliam | Thanks . |
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| 17:43.33 | mulletman | somiaj, here is a pix of the error https://pasteboard.co/JlKA1kF.jpg |
| 17:44.29 | mulletman | so i guess it more correctly says "this disk contains mismatched GPT and MBR partition? |
| 17:44.55 | somiaj | oh this is on /dev/nvme0n1 -- I have heard of some strange things that can happen with nvme, but this is out of my experience. |
| 17:46.11 | mulletman | doh - oh well, I really want to make a backup image and can always use dd itself but not sure if i will be making a crap image - and wouldnt know until I had to write it back to the drive? |
| 17:46.23 | somiaj | what does a tool like (g)parted say about the partition table? |
| 17:48.26 | mulletman | not sure, can look back in a few mins |
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| 17:49.23 | somiaj | But it could just be some nvme strangeness. My only single experience with nvme was it did strange things, so I ended up just scraping it and not using it |
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| 17:54.58 | mulletman | well I am hoping not to have to change this, it came with the computer I got. Anyway, I booted up gparted and it doesnt seem to tell me much, the first partition's flag is "boot" but thats it, is there some sort of gparted commandline kungfu that might yeild more information? |
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| 17:55.45 | somiaj | I am unsure off the top of my head. Are you not able to see what partition table is being used. I almost think fdisk can at least tell you that, what about 'fdisk -l /dev/foo' |
| 17:56.08 | greycat | I'd definitely start with fdisk -l |
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| 17:56.20 | somiaj | yea, fdisk tells me it is gpt (I keep frogetting fdisk can at least see gpt these days) |
| 17:56.29 | somiaj | (well tells me my partition table is gpt) |
| 17:56.51 | somiaj | Disklabel type: gpt |
| 18:00.32 | somiaj | I do get various google hits about issues with clonezilla and nvme, but nothing that looks exactly like your issue and no real solutions (in my quick scan) |
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| 18:03.02 | mulletman | well I tried fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n and it give me information but no mbr or gpt certainly not as the disk label |
| 18:03.39 | greycat | does it have any partitions? |
| 18:03.48 | mulletman | I am thinking it might be parted or something that clonezilla uses because I had almost the same issue with redo resuce and i think it also uses some of the same utils |
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| 18:03.55 | somiaj | do you have both nvme and sda drives? |
| 18:04.14 | somiaj | and could it be you need to be only backingup and using the sata (sda) drive? |
| 18:04.31 | mulletman | it does have partitions, 3 actually (win parts) but no other drives are installed apart from the usb i am booting from |
| 18:05.03 | jmcnaught | mulletman: "fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n" or 'nvme0n1' ? |
| 18:05.04 | greycat | Then it really should show the partition table type. It might use "msdos" instead of "mbr. |
| 18:05.43 | mulletman | greycat, actually yes, Disklabled type: dos |
| 18:05.56 | mulletman | jmcnaught, sorry forgot the 1 on the end you are right |
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| 18:13.04 | jelly | dos = mbr, if you're talking about partition table formats. |
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| 18:17.36 | mulletman | jelly, ugh i mean thanks but now I am more confused in that the error i am getting seems to think i have both? |
| 18:19.18 | jelly | well. gpt usually means you also get a fake "protective" mbr table spanning the whole disk |
| 18:19.40 | jelly | and older tools (like, debian 7 or so?) might think that's the "real" p. table |
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| 18:20.54 | mulletman | thats a bit encouraging i think (thank you). So perhaps instead of using clonezilla or redorescue is there another imaging option out there that can verify the image after its written? |
| 18:21.15 | mulletman | I saw there was a ghost4lin, hadnt heard of it before but?? |
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| 18:26.59 | jelly | that screenshot seems to suggest two ways forward, either "trust gpt" or "trust mbr and wipe gpt" |
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| 19:19.21 | tekcap | Could someone guide me through adding this to my debian buster please : http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye/ in /etc/spt/sources.list |
| 19:20.01 | sney | tekcap: mixing stable (buster) with testing (bullseye) is not supported. |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | You don't "add that to buster". You either run buster, or bullseye. Pick. |
| 19:21.09 | sney | tekcap: if you want to stay on buster with some newer packages, look at buster-backports: https://backports.debian.org/ |
| 19:22.12 | tekcap | @sney It's because I need the latest libc-bin |
| 19:23.00 | sney | tekcap: don't @ people on irc, most clients ignore that kind of highlight. |
| 19:23.16 | sney | tekcap: if you *actually need* newer libc, then your only choice is to upgrade your system to bullseye |
| 19:24.28 | greycat | Another choice would be to set up a virtual machine, and run bullseye inside the VM. |
| 19:24.31 | tekcap | Ok, I'll upgrade to Bullseye then, is it available to download from the debian website, or it's still in testing? |
| 19:24.38 | greycat | Yes, and yes. |
| 19:24.53 | sney | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 19:24.53 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: https://deb.li/sidfaq |
| 19:25.25 | tekcap | oh wow, that's neat, thank you |
| 19:26.17 | sney | np |
| 19:26.40 | sney | make sure you actually read that link. it's useful. bullseye support is in #debian-next |
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| 19:27.39 | greycat | and #debian-next is on the OFTC network, which is not here |
| 19:28.11 | sney | righto. I think the sid faq says that too. |
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| 19:38.04 | Allain | and also /etc/apt/sources.lisd.d |
| 19:41.47 | oxek | which package is it on ubuntu that suggest installation of a package if the command is not found? I'd like to get that functionality on debian too. |
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| 19:42.09 | greycat | It's just something that sets up a command_not_found_handle function in bash. |
| 19:42.45 | greycat | unicorn:~$ apt-cache search command not found handle |
| 19:42.48 | greycat | ... |
| 19:42.49 | greycat | command-not-found - Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions |
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| 19:42.57 | oxek | oh wow, that was simple, thanks |
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| 19:50.44 | Hackwar | hi folks, I'm building a Docker image based on debian stretch for a CI system and I need PHP 5.6 in that image. So it seems I have to add an additional repository for that to work, but unfortunately I can't get that to work. How can I debug which repos apt is using? |
| 19:51.30 | greycat | /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list |
| 19:51.56 | Hackwar | I'm doing apt install -y ca-certificates apt-transport-https wget gnupg2 && wget -q https://packages.sury.org/php/apt.gpg -O- | apt-key add - && echo "deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ stretch main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/php.list |
| 19:52.12 | Hackwar | and it says it can't find the packages I'm looking for. |
| 19:53.27 | mutante | Hackwar: do one command at a time and tell us the actual error? |
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| 19:53.41 | Hackwar | the above stuff does not throw an error. |
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| 19:53.54 | mutante | so that's not all you are doing? |
| 19:54.41 | Hackwar | When I did the above stuff, I do apt-get install -y git php5.6-cli ... (some more packages) and it then tells me "E: Package 'php5.6-cli' has no installation candidate" |
| 19:55.12 | mutante | Hackwar: you likely need an "apt-get update" in between |
| 19:55.20 | mutante | to make it read the new package lists after adding them |
| 19:55.37 | Hackwar | Sorry, forgot to write that. I already have an apt update inbetween |
| 19:56.00 | mutante | and when you run that you see it connect to sury.org ? |
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| 19:57.22 | Hackwar | yes, it does |
| 19:57.51 | mutante | and you are sure you don't want PHP7 and such an old version after going through the process of adding the external repo? |
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| 19:57.59 | Hackwar | Get:6 https://packages.sury.org/php stretch InRelease [6760 B] |
| 19:57.59 | Hackwar | Get:7 https://packages.sury.org/php stretch/main amd64 Packages [136 kB] |
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| 19:59.12 | mutante | you can look manually into https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/p/ |
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| 20:00.06 | Hackwar | I'm working on a larger FOSS project and our current version supports PHP 5.3 to 7.4. Our next major version is going to hopefully be released this year, supporting 7.2 and upwards. But until we are EOLing our current major version, we need to also make sure that it works on those ancient PHP versions, as much as I hate it. |
| 20:01.00 | Hackwar | Unfortunately we are running no less than 5 CI systems and I'm trying to consolidate that down to 2, which requires me to build those images, so that I can decommission 2 other CI systems. |
| 20:01.32 | mutante | hmm. see the files starting with php5.6-cli in https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/p/php5.6/ |
| 20:01.54 | mutante | not sure why but there is -dbgsym in the name |
| 20:02.18 | Hackwar | but after those packages, there is also a version without that. |
| 20:02.46 | mutante | right, the other ones are the debug symbols.. hmm |
| 20:03.09 | Hackwar | I'm a bit at a loss here... |
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| 20:04.56 | mutante | Hackwar: try just "apt-get install php5.6" ? not sure |
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| 20:06.21 | Hackwar | Ok, progress. I had used the php:5.6-apache image and tried adding my stuff onto that. But it seems as if there is something wrong there. Using debian:stretch seems to work. |
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| 20:08.26 | Hackwar | mutante: thanks for your help! |
| 20:09.06 | mutante | Hackwar: you're welcome |
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| 20:16.29 | brokencycle | Hi! Since 10.15, my laptop takes literally minutes to wake up from suspend (not hibernate). Any idea what that might be? |
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| 20:17.11 | flayer | it's tired of you nagging all the time when its taking a nap |
| 20:17.28 | brokencycle | LOL |
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| 20:25.28 | sney | brokencycle: check your apt log for what changed since the problem started. there may be a regression in something |
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| 20:26.18 | sney | unless you have security updates disabled, you didn't upgrade from 10.4 to 10.5 all at once, so it should be relatively easy to narrow down |
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| 20:54.33 | allan_wind | Hello friends, minor issue, when I reboot my computer one of mdadm arrays are created using /dev/md/$name whuile the others are just /dev/md1, /dev/md2. If I unmount, stop and reassmble it works as expected, but reboot creates the different name. Any ideas? |
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| 20:56.06 | sney | allan_wind: are any of them defined in mdadm.conf or are they autodetecting from superblocks? |
| 20:56.25 | allan_wind | sney: all defined in mdadm.conf |
| 20:56.42 | sney | hm. weird. |
| 20:57.11 | allan_wind | sney: not a big deal, every works just fine, just prefer not having the inconsistency |
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| 20:57.50 | allan_wind | sney: when I do -D --scan it does give me path that is created during boot so I am guessing that comes from the super block opposed to my conf |
| 20:57.51 | sney | yeah, I haven't used md recently but afaik both types of dev node are fully supported |
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| 20:58.09 | dvs | I thought one was a symbolic link to the other? |
| 20:58.16 | allan_wind | dvs: it is |
| 20:58.47 | allan_wind | dvs: the one that is different has a symlink, the other two does not |
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| 21:01.06 | nvz | sounds like something udev could address if you really cared |
| 21:01.44 | allan_wind | nvz: hmm... yeah, but doesn't explain why one array is diff than rest |
| 21:02.17 | nvz | yeah idk I'm not arraycist :P |
| 21:03.05 | mutante | you've been waiting for the moment to use that, haven't you :p |
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| 21:03.38 | nvz | actually I just came up with that one on the spot and still laughin about it |
| 21:03.53 | allan_wind | I am still thinking what you are can say these says... ;-) |
| 21:04.11 | allan_wind | (funny though) |
| 21:04.50 | nvz | yeah its from the md2 movement.. |
| 21:05.14 | nvz | who knew raids mattered? |
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| 21:16.55 | |aaron_ | Is it possible to load a preseed.cfg from a floppy, on buster? Doesn't look like the floppy kernel module gets loaded initially? |
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| 21:23.26 | |aaron_ | Nevermind, I found the answer, the floppy module isnt loaded by the installer since jessie, I would need to create my own initrd |
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| 21:38.23 | neoweb | i just installed apache |
| 21:38.31 | neoweb | its like it is not listening |
| 21:38.43 | neoweb | is there something special with debian buster? |
| 21:38.53 | neoweb | wget 127.0.0.1 doesnt work |
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| 21:40.30 | allan_wind | neoweb: does it run by default? What does systemcl say? |
| 21:40.46 | allan_wind | systemctl, I mean |
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| 21:41.21 | greycat | It should run by default, with a generic "welcome to apache" type of page. |
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| 21:42.06 | greycat | Be more specific and helpful in your diagnostics. Instead of saying "doesnt work", say what *happened*. Did you get an error? What did it say? Check "systemctl status apache2". Check the logs in /var/log/apache*/. |
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| 22:49.53 | stinkfist | hello everyone |
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| 22:52.10 | swift110 | how do I update to the latest kernel? |
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| 22:52.51 | mutante | swift110: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:55.42 | stinkfist | which kernel is the latest? |
| 22:56.41 | CyberManifest | stinkfist: for Debian Stable? |
| 22:56.47 | CyberManifest | stinkfist: or which branch |
| 22:57.00 | stinkfist | stable |
| 22:57.41 | CyberManifest | Distrowatch says 4.19.37 |
| 22:58.59 | Vizva | 5.8 is the latest |
| 22:59.07 | Vizva | out today?<! |
| 22:59.35 | CyberManifest | Vizva: for Debian Stable Buster? |
| 22:59.52 | Vizva | this i think is the answer no |
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| 23:00.24 | LtL | stable kernel is 4.19.0-10-amd64 |
| 23:00.29 | Vizva | but you can update to this kernel if you have some skills |
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| 23:00.55 | CyberManifest | LtL Distrowatch is reporting 4.19.37 was there some regression ? |
| 23:01.21 | CyberManifest | Vizva: but it won't have distro specific patches |
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| 23:01.42 | CyberManifest | stinkfist: Latest mainline is 5.8... https://www.kernel.org/ |
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| 23:02.19 | aaro | ,v linux-image |
| 23:02.20 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 23:02.36 | sponix | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:02.37 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u5; buster-backports: 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.7.10-1; sid: 5.7.10-1 |
| 23:02.52 | RoyK | stinkfist: do you need the latest kernel? |
| 23:03.11 | CyberManifest | ,v linux |
| 23:03.12 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
| 23:03.37 | stinkfist | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.52 | RoyK | !sns |
| 23:03.52 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 23:04.00 | CyberManifest | sponix: is Distrowatch misrepresenting or are the bots behind or maybe the mirrors or repos? |
| 23:04.05 | stinkfist | but maybe its not kernel related |
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| 23:04.35 | sponix | CyberManifest: umm, from what I saw Judd bot was accurate in kernel versions per branch when I listed |
| 23:05.13 | CyberManifest | sponix: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian package "linux" "4.19.37" |
| 23:05.18 | jmcnaught | ,v linux-image-4.19.0-9-amd64 |
| 23:05.19 | CyberManifest | buster ^ |
| 23:05.20 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.19.0-9-amd64 on amd64 -- buster: 4.19.118-2+deb10u1; buster-security: 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 |
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| 23:06.16 | sponix | CyberManifest: sure, distrowatch is likely a bit behind the times - that is no surprise. Is there some specific kernel you need ? |
| 23:06.38 | CyberManifest | sponix: but distrowatch says it's newer o.O ? |
| 23:06.49 | sponix | CyberManifest: lol ... who cares :) |
| 23:07.09 | CyberManifest | sponix: evidentally stinkfist |
| 23:07.25 | sponix | Buster ships with 4.19 branch by default, and as you can see 5.6 is available in the backports currently |
| 23:07.46 | CyberManifest | sponix: yes, I'm on 5.4 on my pi |
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| 23:08.09 | sponix | stinkfist: Yeah, sure backports had 5.4 a while back. But your kernel version should have NOTHING to do with Wine |
| 23:08.15 | sponix | CyberManifest: congrats |
| 23:08.17 | CyberManifest | sponix: but stinkfist inquired about stable, I assumed that didn't include backports |
| 23:08.34 | sponix | latest stable for buster is 4.19.something |
| 23:08.51 | stinkfist | i only could get the bluetooth working through 5.4 kernel, tho |
| 23:08.53 | LtL | 'uname -a' on stable, Linux debian 4.19.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.132-1 (2020-07-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:09.36 | sponix | stinkfist: interesting |
| 23:09.51 | CyberManifest | LtL: sudo apt dist-upgrade, you'll get newer kernel on stable |
| 23:10.13 | stinkfist | sponix: i see. but i think my issue with wine has to do with backports (which i no longer use) |
| 23:10.33 | sponix | stinkfist: Oh, you installed Wine from backports, instead of stable ? |
| 23:10.40 | LtL | CyberManifest: no i won't |
| 23:11.19 | LtL | CyberManifest: and its apt full-upgrade -or- apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:12.01 | stinkfist | sponix: yes, i did. Frm what i remember, that is. Because i gave up on trying to get wine working well |
| 23:12.02 | CyberManifest | LtL, that's one way too, but it's also sudo apt dist-upgrade .... and yes it will pull in a newer kernel |
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| 23:12.34 | LtL | CyberManifest: i just checked and there is no new kernel |
| 23:12.42 | CyberManifest | 'uname -a' on stable for me is; Linux debian 5.4.51-v8+ #1333 SMP PREEMPT |
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| 23:13.09 | stinkfist | i'm clueless |
| 23:13.22 | LtL | CyberManifest: then you've messed with sources or backports |
| 23:13.24 | CyberManifest | LtL: odd, distrowatch says there should be a 4.19.37 |
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| 23:13.46 | LtL | nobody pays attention to distrowatch |
| 23:13.48 | mutante | !sts |
| 23:13.51 | CyberManifest | LtL, no, I'm on a raspberry pi and pi handles their kernel update with rpi-update |
| 23:14.00 | mutante | !sns |
| 23:14.00 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 23:18.55 | CyberManifest | https://termbin.com/w0ve |
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| 23:23.27 | sponix | CyberManifest: the Pi could easily have a Different stable kernel than Buster amd64 |
| 23:24.50 | jmcnaught | Especially if it's using raspbian or raspberry pi os instead of Debian. |
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| 23:24.58 | CyberManifest | sponix: yes I'm aware |
| 23:25.05 | CyberManifest | Look https://termbin.com/qkfp no backports |
| 23:26.03 | aaro | CyberManifest: 1: deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ buster main |
| 23:26.43 | CyberManifest | aaro: look again... 1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
| 23:26.47 | aaro | CyberManifest: you're using a debian based distro but not debian |
| 23:26.59 | CyberManifest | aaro: look again 1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
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| 23:29.44 | CyberManifest | aaro: but in all fairness... https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ This site is not an official Debian project. While the maintainer (Gunnar Wolf) is a Debian Developer, content herein provided should be considered unofficial. |
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| 23:30.07 | naptastic | Hi! I've got a fresh install of Debian Bullseye, and haven't gotten KVM working yet. The processor supports it; the module loads; but /dev/kvm never exists. What should I check next? |
| 23:30.44 | sponix | naptastic: do you have "Secure Boot" disabled in BIOS and all forms of "Virtualization" turned on in there ? |
| 23:30.54 | naptastic | sponix, affirmative |
| 23:31.33 | sponix | CyberManifest: I am in no position to prove or disprove such. As I am not on "Real Debian" myself. Best I could do is take 20 minutes to spin up a VM and see what happens |
| 23:31.57 | sponix | I would if you are that curious. But by myself I am not that inspired |
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| 23:32.30 | CyberManifest | sponix: I just was curious if I was lying to someone inquiring about latest stable kernel, as I didn't have an official bases and solely relied on distrowatch's claim. |
| 23:33.04 | naptastic | sponix, found this in dmesg: [ 5.189082] kvm: disabled by bios |
| 23:33.08 | CyberManifest | sponix: i.e., I'm not that inspired either, I was just offering assistance. |
| 23:33.11 | sponix | CyberManifest: well, I would use Distrowatch more as a rough estimate than the Holy Bible |
| 23:33.21 | naptastic | bbiaf, gonna dig through my BIOS settings *again* |
| 23:33.32 | sponix | naptastic: wish you luck, it could be VT-D and others |
| 23:33.43 | CyberManifest | sponix: I agree, but is there some official source we can determine the latest without spinning up a live session ? |
| 23:34.19 | sponix | CyberManifest: let me see what the 10.5 that just hit has for release notes. But I can almost bet you it ships with 4.19 still |
| 23:35.03 | CyberManifest | sponix: yes that is what I was claiming... 4.19.37 |
| 23:37.07 | sponix | yeah, release notes say 4.19.0-blah-10 or whatever, so it is just a matter of what that translates into :P |
| 23:37.19 | sponix | Think it is 4.19.105 actually |
| 23:37.59 | sponix | linux-image-amd64 | 4.19+105+deb10u5 | http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages |
| 23:38.31 | sponix | that is what I get with "apt-cache madison linux-image-amd64" |
| 23:38.33 | CyberManifest | sponix: ok, I may see the confusion ... I was somehow thinking 105 was less than 37 |
| 23:38.54 | CyberManifest | sponix: so the bots had it, yes? |
| 23:39.00 | sponix | CyberManifest: Nope "105" is greater than 99" |
| 23:39.08 | sponix | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:39.09 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u5; buster-backports: 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.7.10-1; sid: 5.7.10-1 |
| 23:39.27 | sponix | CyberManifest: Yes, the bot had it right -- and normally ALWAYS does :) |
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| 23:40.37 | sponix | Hmm.. I already had a dusty Debian 10 Buster VM -- Oops |
| 23:40.46 | CyberManifest | sponix: ok, I'll try to keep that in mind, I honestly wasn't aware of bot till someone showed me, so I was quoting an un-official source (DistroWatch) which is obviously behind |
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| 23:41.24 | CyberManifest | sponix: Dust Buster |
| 23:42.13 | sponix | Yeah, that VM is still on a completely fresh install of Debian 10.4 |
| 23:42.33 | sponix | Not sure if regular apt update && apt upgrade will get it up to 10.5 or if it needs "dist-upgrade" |
| 23:42.44 | CyberManifest | aaro: but I'm as Debian as you can get on a Raspberry Pi |
| 23:44.11 | sponix | linux-image-amd64 | 4.19+105+deb10u5 | http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages |
| 23:44.16 | sponix | shit |
| 23:47.09 | sponix | CyberManifest: LOL my VN is saying blah-9 is actually version 4.19.118 now, and the blah-105+deb10u5 is 4.19.132 -- Glad they make this all SIMPLE aye ? |
| 23:47.32 | sponix | But, I think what they are trying to get across is at the end of the day, your specific kernel version doesn't matter much at ALL in 2020 |
| 23:48.46 | CyberManifest | wait, ok I was wrong I forgot my image didn't come from that https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images I don't think, I think it came from https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=275370 in any instance it's as Debian as you can get on the Pi 3 b+ |
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| 23:49.27 | CyberManifest | sponix: lol, aye... it's only gonna get worse with ARM versions IMHO |
| 23:49.47 | CyberManifest | sponix: agreed |
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| 23:52.10 | CyberManifest | looks like some of those beta issues aren't an issue any longer, I have VLC up right now |
| 23:52.20 | CyberManifest | and I'm pretty sure VNC works now too |
| 23:52.59 | CyberManifest | nope, no VNC :( |
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