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| 00:29.05 | CyberManifest | So I'm following along: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting to change from stable to testing and it mentions: "Remove, disable or comment out your stable security updates apt sources" & "Remove, disable or comment out any other stable-specific apt sources, like *-backports or *-updates." ... Will I add these back with the new bullseye once freezing begins? Or how will I get security and updates f |
| 00:29.05 | CyberManifest | or testing and for when it becomes stable? |
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| 00:29.52 | CyberManifest | Or what is the appropriate channel to ask the above inquiry ? |
| 00:30.39 | sney | CyberManifest: bullseye support is in #debian-next on OFTC. but for now, the single primary source entry is plenty for bullseye. you can re-add security/updates/backports after it's released as stable |
| 00:32.07 | CyberManifest | sney: alright, thank you for the one time exception and for the information, I'm very grateful. :) Thank You Again. |
| 00:32.22 | sney | np |
| 00:32.42 | sney | if you have any follow-up questions please go to the correct channel |
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| 00:33.09 | CyberManifest | sney: one more quick question, what is OFTC? can I not join #debian-next here on freenode ? |
| 00:33.28 | sney | !debian-next |
| 00:33.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 00:34.08 | sney | OFTC is the irc network that has all of the official debian channels. this one is maintained for historical and popularity reasons, but almost everything else is on OFTC. |
| 00:34.19 | sney | there is also a #debian on OFTC, with many of the same helpers as here |
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| 00:41.58 | CyberManifest | sney: I'm having trouble connecting to that server, is there a specific port or password? |
| 00:43.10 | sney | no, it's just irc.oftc.net. if you're on tor or something there may be extra steps, but otherwise it's just like any other network |
| 00:43.40 | CyberManifest | sney: it's saying: *** No Ident response and then Closing Link: url.blah... (Registration timed out) |
| 00:44.00 | CyberManifest | sney: I'm using LimeChat on Apple macOS |
| 00:44.19 | CyberManifest | no tor or anything |
| 00:44.20 | sney | that doesn't mean anything to me. https://www.oftc.net/FAQ/IRC_Related_Questions/ there's a webchat, ask their support |
| 00:44.35 | sney | if your client has a checkbox to enable ident, tick it |
| 00:45.38 | CyberManifest | sney: is there a specific channel for support on that webchat? |
| 00:45.56 | sney | I believe the support channel is #oftc |
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| 01:03.50 | CyberManifest | sney: thank you got it working ;) |
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| 01:33.30 | livebrain | hello, i need some help instaling debian on a hp elitboot 9480m, i went into the bios and enable the legacy (disabling the secure boot) but i cant boot into the OS |
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| 01:33.38 | livebrain | i can boot from a usb drive to install debian |
| 01:33.45 | livebrain | installed debian in mbr |
| 01:33.50 | livebrain | but i cant boot into it |
| 01:34.15 | livebrain | tried to google for this specific laptop and linux, but i cant seem to find anything on it |
| 01:36.35 | dvs | livebrain, what happens when you try and start Debian? What do you see on the screen? |
| 01:38.16 | livebrain | "no bootable image found, notebook will be sthudown" |
| 01:38.55 | sney | looks like all intel stuff from 2014 or so, should be fully supported. (https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c04410212) - is there a reason you are disabling secure boot? debian buster works with efi/secure boot. |
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| 01:41.28 | livebrain | doing a "secure erase" on the disk |
| 01:41.33 | livebrain | 174 minutes to end ... |
| 01:41.44 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:41.45 | livebrain | what might i be screwing up ? |
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| 01:43.28 | dvs | livebrain, the partition you're specifying in GRUB does not contain the kernel? |
| 01:43.45 | livebrain | i have 2 partitions |
| 01:43.51 | livebrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.57 | livebrain | both in sda |
| 01:44.45 | dvs | Oh? Maybe the rescue mode on the installer could fix the boot problem? |
| 01:45.04 | livebrain | the problem is not while trying to boot into debian |
| 01:45.17 | livebrain | the error is still in the "bios" related thing |
| 01:45.32 | dvs | trying to *install* debian? |
| 01:45.46 | livebrain | installed debian |
| 01:45.50 | livebrain | all went fine |
| 01:45.59 | livebrain | installed grub and all without errors |
| 01:46.15 | livebrain | rebooted, and it wont boot into to debian |
| 01:46.38 | dvs | Debian doesn't show up on the list of boot targets? |
| 01:46.58 | livebrain | https://images.app.goo.gl/RP6oSmYU9eJfevSx6 |
| 01:47.04 | livebrain | i get that error message |
| 01:48.36 | dvs | So if you boot into the "boot select" menu, Debian doesn't show up? |
| 01:49.42 | livebrain | no |
| 01:49.52 | livebrain | nothing linux related/grub |
| 01:50.43 | dvs | I'd try installing Debian in UEFI mode and see of that helps (and make a GPT disk in the process). |
| 01:51.54 | livebrain | gpt disk = usb bootable drive ? |
| 01:52.26 | dvs | No, it's the newer partition type after MBR. |
| 01:52.50 | dvs | partition format, sorry |
| 01:55.23 | themill | I wonder if grub got installed to the wrong disk |
| 01:56.15 | livebrain | i only have one hdd |
| 01:56.55 | themill | there was the usb disk in the machine at the time, and there are also multiple partitions |
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| 02:01.16 | livebrain | well for the first time ever i used the "guided" partition on the entire disk |
| 02:01.22 | livebrain | created a pse boot partition |
| 02:01.48 | livebrain | going to install the bare minimum of debian too try it out |
| 02:02.30 | plp__ | four days of trying to get trisquel to install on my laptop with no luck, hopefully debian will be a easier ride tonight |
| 02:04.21 | livebrain | the bad thing about this laptop its the keyboard, its not my language layout, no accents and no "ç" , went on ebay to look for a new keyboad and they are really expensive for this laptop |
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| 02:06.28 | jmcnaught | livebrain: use the compose key |
| 02:07.45 | livebrain | omg... i pressed "enter" ... now its going to install gnome |
| 02:07.57 | livebrain | this is going to take alot of time |
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| 02:08.44 | ryouma | livebrain: xmodm |
| 02:08.56 | ryouma | ap |
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| 02:10.36 | livebrain | yes, im going to just stick some adhesive with the accents to the keyboard |
| 02:10.50 | livebrain | no way im spending alot of money on a keyboard |
| 02:10.59 | maxrazer | Anyone else having trouble connecting to sites like Wikipedia.org? |
| 02:11.08 | maxrazer | I think it may be another Cloudflare outage. |
| 02:11.26 | sney | maxrazer: working fine here. check https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 02:11.54 | maxrazer | I'm using Cloudflare as my DNS host by the way. |
| 02:12.05 | sney | not really a debian-specific issue anyway |
| 02:12.27 | maxrazer | ok, good point. not sure a good channel for that. |
| 02:12.53 | maxrazer | Hey, there is a DNS channel |
| 02:12.55 | sney | even just -offtopic is probably fine. fwiw, I am using cloudflare's DoH for my whole network and everything seems normal |
| 02:13.28 | maxrazer | oh yeah, of course. |
| 02:13.34 | aaro | maxrazer: ##networking maybe |
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| 02:37.31 | livebrain | ok debian installed, thanks for the help. this uefi thing threw me off |
| 02:37.42 | livebrain | all i need now is to remove gnome |
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| 03:40.59 | PETURBG | hi help |
| 03:41.15 | PETURBG | i installed on my friend latest debian stable and strange thing happend. |
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| 03:46.00 | sponix | PETURBG: you care to define "strange things" ? |
| 03:46.09 | sponix | or actually thing |
| 03:46.49 | PETURBG | from all client web he can't login |
| 03:48.20 | PETURBG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:56.13 | PETURBG | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/5dK9QRG65g/ |
| 03:56.39 | PETURBG | from android client it work. but from roundcube it dont work |
| 03:58.04 | sponix | PETURBG: you know that "postfix" is a smtp server right ( email server software ) ? |
| 03:58.18 | PETURBG | sponix... and ? |
| 03:58.41 | PETURBG | ot get error. so i came here if somoene can hep me solve it. |
| 03:59.21 | PETURBG | becouse there is no debian official support, and they has only by e-mail that never help. |
| 04:00.16 | sponix | well, there is an official Debian support chat on another network |
| 04:00.39 | sponix | it is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 04:00.58 | sponix | BUT, pretty sure you want to be on irc.freenode.net (this network) #postfix channel |
| 04:01.06 | sponix | for mail server specific help |
| 04:02.16 | PETURBG | #sponix... and you gonna help ? |
| 04:03.57 | sponix | I haven't used postfix in roughly 20 years :) |
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| 04:04.48 | themill | "unknown CA" likely means that you need to tell postfix to trust the certificate issuer (whoever that is) |
| 04:05.23 | sponix | themill: the are already over in the postfix chan getting some love there |
| 04:05.32 | sponix | I didn't even know what a "roundcube" was :P |
| 04:05.43 | PETURBG | themill it postfix will not help |
| 04:05.57 | PETURBG | themill it is unknown why this is happening. |
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| 04:07.07 | CyberManifest | so I'm trying to follow along with https://github.com/ibhagwan/picom and I thought I had all the dependancies (I had ever one listed on that webpage) but during the build process it tells me it can't find libpcre, so I look on packages.debian.org and come across: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bullseye&arch=arm64&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=libpcre now I don't know which one |
| 04:07.07 | CyberManifest | to use or even which one is the latest version... can anyone help me sort this out? |
| 04:07.23 | PETURBG | is theere some hacker who can help me. i want to make custome mail server that work. and not general shits |
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| 04:08.36 | PETURBG | in postfix i ask i want fully tls and they comment twb |
| 04:08.36 | PETURBG | Trent W. Buck |
| 04:08.37 | PETURBG | 05:06:51 |
| 04:08.37 | PETURBG | PETURBG: why? i think that everybody can do what he want. without be asked. |
| 04:09.34 | PETURBG | very dissapointed. so you install debian and they force you to do what they want. i remember linux is free and everybody can help you. |
| 04:09.59 | themill | PETURBG: you'd get help if you provided details |
| 04:10.15 | PETURBG | themill i provide details if then dont ask why. |
| 04:10.30 | PETURBG | themill you buy car... i will ask you why. |
| 04:10.33 | themill | !wayttd |
| 04:10.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 04:10.56 | PETURBG | it is obvious... that somoene buy something and he dont be force to ask why. |
| 04:11.04 | themill | 5 lines from a log file are not helping. |
| 04:11.10 | PETURBG | so why you buy water. |
| 04:11.18 | PETURBG | themill he didnt ask other |
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| 04:11.30 | PETURBG | so why you going to wc... |
| 04:11.35 | themill | PETURBG: are you going to provide any information? |
| 04:11.50 | PETURBG | themill... i will not provide infrmation for why. |
| 04:12.12 | PETURBG | i need information how to solve this error. before update it was working. |
| 04:12.27 | themill | "this update" meaning what? |
| 04:12.33 | themill | and what is not actually working? |
| 04:12.37 | sponix | CyberManifest: What Debian are you on - Buster ? |
| 04:13.03 | CyberManifest | sponix: no testing Bullseye |
| 04:13.14 | PETURBG | themill what is meaning of "this update" meaning what? |
| 04:13.14 | PETURBG | themill |
| 04:13.17 | PETURBG | themill and what is not actually working? |
| 04:13.26 | sponix | CyberManifest: what is "picom" ? |
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| 04:13.34 | CyberManifest | sponix: a compositor |
| 04:13.41 | PETURBG | how i write. i need help to solve: this https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/5dK9QRG65g/ |
| 04:13.42 | themill | PETURBG: you're not providing any details |
| 04:13.54 | PETURBG | themill becouse you are not helping... |
| 04:13.58 | themill | ffs |
| 04:14.02 | PETURBG | ffs |
| 04:14.04 | sponix | CyberManifest: so... _like_ compton or say compiz ? |
| 04:14.12 | themill | PETURBG: would asking for help in Spanish be easier for you perhaps? |
| 04:14.24 | CyberManifest | sponix: yes similar, but different features |
| 04:14.37 | CyberManifest | sponix: it describes it on that git hub page |
| 04:14.42 | PETURBG | when person use roundcube he face this error; https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/5dK9QRG65g/ |
| 04:15.00 | sponix | CyberManifest: and do you get anything with something similar to: apt-cache search libpre ? |
| 04:15.10 | themill | PETURBG: You said "before update it was working". What update? |
| 04:15.42 | PETURBG | themill would asking for help in Indian be easier for you perhaps? |
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| 04:15.52 | sponix | CyberManifest: well, without my typing mistakes ;) |
| 04:15.58 | PETURBG | themill You said "before update it was working". What update? |
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| 04:16.33 | sponix | CyberManifest: I see it is related to "perl" in some way, and there is a main version 2 and 3 of it -- In a Buster based setup |
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| 04:17.30 | oerheks | PETURBG, you said it yourself "before update it was working" |
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| 04:18.29 | CyberManifest | sponix: I'm on bullseye so which of these do I chose? I want new and I'm on ARM64 so 64 bit |
| 04:18.33 | sponix | CyberManifest: seems you most likely need to just: apt install libpcre3-dev libpcre2-dev |
| 04:18.54 | CyberManifest | sponix: you may be right |
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| 04:19.06 | sponix | CyberManifest: This is what I find odd, according to the package descriptions version 2 is "newer" and version 3 is "older" LOL |
| 04:19.16 | PETURBG | i use irc.oftc.net and it comment it unknown domain |
| 04:19.18 | CyberManifest | sponix: but it wasn't listed here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bullseye&arch=arm64&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=libpcre |
| 04:19.25 | sponix | CyberManifest: but I'm sure if you program in PERL that probably makes perfect sense :) |
| 04:19.39 | CyberManifest | sponix: lol, I wouldn't know :P |
| 04:20.04 | sponix | CyberManifest: when in doubt, no matter what branch of Debian you are on -- attempt to stay withing that branch using the package manager and default repos |
| 04:21.05 | sponix | CyberManifest: Also, if you need more "testing" specific help. Check the channel topic, there is a #Debian-next channel on another network with like minded folks for testing. I am good with it here, but others will likely point you there anyway after awhile |
| 04:21.24 | CyberManifest | sponix: yeah I'm trying, I only have that single branch in my sources so it's only what's available |
| 04:21.39 | CyberManifest | sponix: yeah I asked over there too |
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| 04:21.54 | CyberManifest | sponix: no responses |
| 04:22.09 | sponix | CyberManifest: I am about 80% sure what I gave you will at least get you to the next issue |
| 04:22.37 | PETURBG | who write this: in irc debian This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. If this is for general only debian then write it. In the moment who enter will ask everything that is debian include postfix. so one is sure more stupid themill and sponix. Forcing peoples to reveal |
| 04:22.37 | PETURBG | details no CRIME. |
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| 04:23.03 | themill | scratches his head |
| 04:23.36 | sponix | wonder how long it took him to write and translate that statement ;) |
| 04:24.15 | CyberManifest | sponix: I think your suggestion fixed it; ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 04:24.43 | CyberManifest | sponix: compiling now |
| 04:24.45 | sponix | CyberManifest: I may not care about your specific goal, but I have been doing this a LONG Time |
| 04:24.56 | CyberManifest | slooooooooowwwwwwww on pi |
| 04:25.46 | sponix | CyberManifest: LOL ... you are asking a LOT of a Pi .... I don't even have the composition thingy ON on my 10 core Xeon |
| 04:25.54 | sponix | just more bloat |
| 04:26.28 | CyberManifest | sponix: my end goal is https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/hvi0qv/bspwm_faint/ |
| 04:26.32 | Unit193 | Crossbuild or pbuilder+qemu user |
| 04:27.20 | CyberManifest | uh oh, I think I froze the pi... Note to self don't try to compile on pi while firefox with 4 tabs is open |
| 04:28.19 | sponix | CyberManifest: hate to say it, but that /r/unixporn does nothing for me. I run one little Plank bar at the top of my screen and make it do "everything" |
| 04:28.28 | CyberManifest | lol, it's froze, now mouse won't even move, is there a way to end things to begin them again? |
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| 04:28.47 | sponix | CyberManifest: for the compile "ctrl+c" in that terminal |
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| 04:29.01 | CyberManifest | sponix: can't even get focus to term |
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| 04:29.24 | sponix | CyberManifest: If the GUI is frozen, you might have to ssh in and killall make or killall gcc and so forth |
| 04:29.29 | CyberManifest | no response, no mouse movement, just completely froze / seized up |
| 04:29.29 | Unit193 | I'm guessing you didn't adjust sysctl options so you can't invoke oomkiller? :/ |
| 04:29.39 | sponix | CyberManifest: Or just ssh in and "reboot" |
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| 04:29.53 | CyberManifest | sponix: can't I do something like that with TTY2 or something |
| 04:30.07 | CyberManifest | rebooting |
| 04:30.33 | sponix | CyberManifest: LOL ... I am gonna hand you off to Unit193 .... Since he is awake. I am actually "new to Debian" anyway :) |
| 04:30.47 | sponix | Unit193: Good to see you again |
| 04:31.08 | CyberManifest | sponix: what did you run before? |
| 04:31.10 | Unit193 | sponix: It's best if you continue, I've only just appeared so don't know history. |
| 04:31.44 | sponix | you missed our Postfix mailserver troll. Demanding fixes and answers - and REFUSING to give any information on the situation -- Pretty freaking Classic :) |
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| 04:33.52 | sponix | CyberManifest: umm.... Slackware, Debian ( talking for a week or so ), Ubuntu, Mint ( Lots of Mint), and now MX Linux currently with Mint and Debian inside a Virtual Machine to play along and help others |
| 04:34.14 | sponix | Oh.. And FreeBSD, Solaris, and OpenSolaris are in there somewhere also |
| 04:34.42 | CyberManifest | Unit193: it's nothing I'm trying to recreate a users /r/unixporn and needed the missing compositor so I journeyed off to build it only to have missing dependancies in spite of the fact that I had all the dependencies claimed, so I was asking our good friend sponix which version of the missing dep I needed and he resolved that issue, then I screwed things up by trying to compile the compositor on a |
| 04:34.42 | CyberManifest | raspberry pi with Firefox open and 3 tabs loaded (complete seize) so finally you're caught up on my reboot... :P |
| 04:35.16 | CyberManifest | sponix: is your Mint LMDE ? |
| 04:35.46 | sponix | CyberManifest: Nope, I have touched LMDE some in a Virtual Machine. But never ran it on real hardware |
| 04:36.43 | sponix | CyberManifest: if things pick up in here, we will for sure need to go to the -offtopic channel for this discussion |
| 04:37.34 | sponix | CyberManifest: with the "make" you might try to limit it to 1 or 2 threads with "make -j2" or something |
| 04:38.21 | CyberManifest | sponix: I killed X Server and Light DM so no firefox with tabs or extra bloat to bog down, just term now |
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| 04:39.10 | Unit193 | Nice, which compositor? |
| 04:39.20 | sponix | CyberManifest: not sure if it is handled the same way, but if this tanks again, you might "init 3" -- pretty sure that will drop to multi-user with networking and no X or anything else |
| 04:40.07 | CyberManifest | Unit193: picom-ibhagwan |
| 04:40.20 | Unit193 | Ah the compton fork. |
| 04:40.40 | CyberManifest | Unit193: End goal: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/hvi0qv/bspwm_faint/ |
| 04:42.44 | Unit193 | Since picom is a fork of compton, can you at least experiment with that? |
| 04:42.48 | Unit193 | ,v compton |
| 04:42.50 | judd | Package: compton on amd64 -- jessie: 0.1~beta2-1; buster: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1; stretch: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1; bullseye: 0.1~beta2+20150922-2; sid: 0.1~beta2+20150922-2 |
| 04:42.58 | Unit193 | Ouch, 2015.. |
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| 04:43.31 | CyberManifest | compile complete ... install complete :) |
| 04:43.41 | sponix | Unit193: any idea how/why the Liquorix kernel can double/triple my torrent upload speeds. Same ISP, Same Router, Same everything else. Like I can boot the old kernel, and be back to half the speeds or less going out with rtorrent/rutorrent |
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| 04:44.06 | CyberManifest | Unit193: also of note I'm on testing Bullseye |
| 04:44.30 | Unit193 | sponix: Not offhand, I'd wonder about TCP halfopen stuff, but pretty sure that's a bit old by now. |
| 04:45.13 | sponix | Unit193: I did those optimizations at the router years ago though... I think the "realtime" kernel must prioritize UDP packets or something |
| 04:46.12 | sponix | Well.. I have teenagers to Force into bed now |
| 04:49.22 | CyberManifest | sponix: good luck |
| 04:50.38 | CyberManifest | Unit193: so any idea where or how to get the fonts: Neep, Scientifica, Siji, Font Awesome for that project? |
| 04:51.40 | Unit193 | ,i fonts-font-awesome |
| 04:51.41 | Unit193 | ,i fonts-fork-awesome |
| 04:51.42 | judd | Package fonts-font-awesome (fonts, optional) in buster/amd64: iconic font designed for use with Twitter Bootstrap. Version: 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-1; Size: 502.9k; Installed: 1362k; Homepage: http://fontawesome.io/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/fonts-font-awesome |
| 04:51.43 | judd | Package fonts-fork-awesome (fonts, optional) in buster/amd64: fork of the iconic font and CSS toolkit. Version: 1.1.5+ds1-2; Size: 463.1k; Installed: 1330k; Homepage: https://forkawesome.github.io; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/fonts-fork-awesome |
| 04:52.03 | Unit193 | CyberManifest: The others are most likely available on GitHub. |
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| 04:53.52 | CyberManifest | Unit193: what's the difference in the fonts-font-awesome and fonts-fork-awesome ? |
| 04:55.00 | Unit193 | I knew, I don't remember. Sorry. |
| 04:55.59 | CyberManifest | Unit193: never mind I clicked the link for the screenshots |
| 04:56.00 | CyberManifest | :) |
| 04:56.59 | lisbeths | how is one meant to connect to wifi in the cli install of debian |
| 04:57.13 | lisbeths | the networking guide says to use the iw command however iw is not an available command nor is it available in busybox |
| 04:58.40 | CyberManifest | lisbeths: did you recognize you're supposed to do iw dev from root account hence the "#" ? |
| 05:02.28 | lisbeths | I am root |
| 05:02.49 | lisbeths | bash: iw: command not found |
| 05:04.18 | Unit193 | Is iw installed? |
| 05:04.44 | lisbeths | no |
| 05:05.01 | lisbeths | or rather its not in my path |
| 05:05.49 | Unit193 | `dpkg -l iw`, but yes it sounds as if it isn't. |
| 05:08.39 | themill | is this in the installer or afterwards? |
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| 05:18.37 | sponix | lisbeths: latest trend /usr/sbin like isn't in the path |
| 05:18.45 | sponix | some folks thought that would be cool |
| 05:21.14 | themill | by latest you mean 1990s? |
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| 05:22.00 | lisbeths | so it seems that I have iw when I use dpkg -l iw |
| 05:22.05 | lisbeths | the output is something I cna not paste to you |
| 05:22.29 | lisbeths | this is debian stable small install image and I have just unchecked every graphical box but I did not uncheck debian tools |
| 05:23.00 | lisbeths | yes its in /usr/sbin which seems is not in my path |
| 05:23.06 | lisbeths | the debian installer should ensure that /usr/sbin is in the path |
| 05:23.16 | lisbeths | I think this "could" be a bug but I do not desire to use the bug reporting system to report it. |
| 05:23.19 | lisbeths | Thank you for your help |
| 05:23.21 | themill | lisbeths: how do you become room? |
| 05:23.23 | themill | root? |
| 05:24.04 | lisbeths | su |
| 05:24.21 | themill | it should be "su -l" since you want a login shell |
| 05:24.33 | themill | (or "su -" which is the same thing) |
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| 05:27.00 | CyberManifest | themill: is "su -l" and "su -" similar to "sudo su" ? |
| 05:27.21 | themill | I hope you mean "sudo -i" |
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| 05:28.11 | lisbeths | ah |
| 05:28.19 | sponix2ipfw | CyberManifest: lol. You just went full Ubuntu on them |
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| 05:47.35 | efloid | when Buster boots it starts with a really tiny font then appears to switch to framebuffer mode? the second mode's font is set with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but I want to also increase the font of the initial mode |
| 05:47.58 | efloid | i run hwinfo --framebuffer but it doesn't list any modes |
| 05:49.51 | efloid | video=vesafb:nocrtc,3840x2160-24@60 something like that?? |
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| 06:00.07 | ryouma | efloid: would sure like answers to such qustuions |
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| 06:08.41 | efloid | well the dpkg factoid 'fbcon resolution' seems to be out-of-date |
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| 06:11.24 | CyberManifest | Unit193: I tried switching my WM but it's still setting me back into LXDE with OpenBox, how can I get into Bspwm ? |
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| 06:18.41 | efloid | !tell CyberManifest about xsession |
| 06:19.28 | CyberManifest | efloid: bot isn't working, but I already changed my xsession, it's just not working |
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| 06:20.01 | CyberManifest | efloid: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 06:20.52 | efloid | CyberManifest: i use sddm and you can just select which desktop environment with a dropdown |
| 06:21.21 | efloid | all the display managers have config files where you can specify which environment to use |
| 06:21.28 | CyberManifest | efloid: will that let me change compositors too? |
| 06:22.09 | efloid | CyberManifest: i know sddm allows to choose between plasma and plasma-wayland |
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| 06:22.48 | CyberManifest | efloid: I'm trying to go from LXDE and OpenBox to picom-ibhagwan bspwm |
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| 06:24.17 | efloid | CyberManifest: and why can't you switch systemd to boot into console mode then just manually run .xsession? |
| 06:25.14 | CyberManifest | efloid: for one I don't know how and second I think I'd like to use lightdm |
| 06:26.52 | efloid | CyberManifest: just put the command to run bspwm in ~/.xsession it's just a regular shell script. then you type "startx" and it will run it. |
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| 06:31.30 | efloid | CyberManifest: here is info on how to change systemd to boot into non-graphical mode: https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/debian/change-default-runlevel-debian-9.html |
| 06:31.30 | efloid | basically you run 'sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target' |
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| 06:31.30 | efloid | then when machine boots to command prompt, login and type 'startx' and it will run whatever is in the ~/.xsession script |
| 06:31.30 | efloid | you can launch the desktop environment from it, also things like panels and screensaver |
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| 06:33.05 | CyberManifest | efloid: but I don't want to boot to command prompt, I want to continue my GUI lightdm login manager |
| 06:33.12 | efloid | CyberManifest: this article has sample xsession for bwpwm: https://dev.to/l04db4l4nc3r/bspwm-a-bare-bones-window-manager-44di |
| 06:33.43 | efloid | CyberManifest: why? |
| 06:34.31 | Haohmaru | startx.. autoexec.bat.. dialup.. floppy diskettes.. x_x |
| 06:35.04 | Haohmaru | i think he wants to elegantly get to the desktop like normal but with his custom desktop setup |
| 06:35.20 | Haohmaru | no startx crap |
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| 06:36.03 | efloid | read the lightdm docs then. it sources some conf file(s) that can be customized |
| 06:36.37 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: I think you need to make a .desktop file for the session type and put it in /usr/share/xsessions to make it available as a login option, at least that's what you do for GDM |
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| 06:37.08 | Haohmaru | lightdm certainly "detects" what DEs you have, so it does that somehow-ish |
| 06:37.42 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: if you "apt-file search usr/share/xsessions" you'll see that many window manager packages come with such a file |
| 06:37.52 | CyberManifest | jmcnaught: it's worth noting that I'm using a custom lightdm from the raspberry pi team |
| 06:37.55 | Haohmaru | btw, you can run LXDE and change the window manager, the desktop manager, etc.. |
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| 06:38.25 | CyberManifest | Haohmaru: but I don't want to run LXDE |
| 06:38.30 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: if you're using something based on Debian you should probably find that distro's channel because #debian won't know about differences like that. |
| 06:38.35 | Haohmaru | ..just saying |
| 06:38.54 | Haohmaru | aww crapberry pie |
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| 06:39.18 | CyberManifest | Haohmaru: I'm trying to go from LXDE and OpenBox to picom-ibhagwan bspwm |
| 06:39.30 | Haohmaru | okay, but.. |
| 06:39.36 | Haohmaru | !based on debian |
| 06:39.37 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 06:40.12 | CyberManifest | Haohmaru: my distro is as Debian as you can get on a raspberry pi |
| 06:40.25 | Haohmaru | really? |
| 06:40.28 | CyberManifest | Yes |
| 06:40.40 | Haohmaru | i'm skeptical ;P~ |
| 06:41.08 | efloid | that's good to know about /usr/share/xsession desktop entries. didn't know about that! |
| 06:41.11 | Haohmaru | i mean, "as you can get ON A crapberry" <- that doesn't say much |
| 06:41.56 | Haohmaru | CyberManifest what does your sources.list say? |
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| 06:41.59 | Haohmaru | debian.org? |
| 06:42.19 | CyberManifest | yes |
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| 06:42.37 | efloid | yep bspwm: /usr/share/xsessions/bspwm.desktop |
| 06:43.01 | Haohmaru | k then |
| 06:45.17 | CyberManifest | Haohmaru: https://termbin.com/ywkqd |
| 06:45.29 | Unit193 | If one is using LXDE, doesn't one edit desktop.conf (under ~/.config/)? |
| 06:46.19 | Unit193 | CyberManifest: What's in ~/.config/lxsession/ ? |
| 06:46.45 | CyberManifest | efloid: the file is there |
| 06:46.55 | CyberManifest | Unit193: let me check |
| 06:47.16 | Haohmaru | CyberManifest where did you get debian for that thing from? |
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| 06:52.08 | CyberManifest | Haohmaru: can't remember if it's from https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ or from... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=275370 |
| 06:52.36 | CyberManifest | Unit193: I was going to send you a termbin of the ls of that folder but it adds the color codes |
| 06:52.45 | CyberManifest | https://termbin.com/p61r |
| 06:54.28 | CyberManifest | Unit193: https://termbin.com/5qf3 (fixed color codes) |
| 06:54.56 | CyberManifest | Unit193: that's what is in ~/.config/ |
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| 06:58.26 | Unit193 | Interesting. So not sure if it'd be in `lxsession-edit`, been a bit since I used LXDE. |
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| 06:59.26 | CyberManifest | Unit193: it's worth mentioning I already deployed the dot files from... https://github.com/rajshekhar26/dotfiles |
| 07:00.00 | CyberManifest | so there was this: echo 'alias config="/usr/bin/git --git-dir=$HOME/Projects/dotfiles/ --work-tree=$HOME"' >> $HOME/.zshrc |
| 07:00.56 | CyberManifest | and mkdir -p .config/ Projects/ Pictures/Screenshots/ |
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| 07:28.58 | CyberManifest | efloid: from that sample xsession for bspwm you linked me to it mentions edition ~/.xsession but that file doesn't exist |
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| 07:38.59 | DoctorD90 | Hello! 'apt-cdrom add' use an identifier for the cd. Where does it retrieve it? |
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| 08:47.04 | mag_the_rose | Hi, how is the best way of installing an iso from an debian remote server? I.e. I have a cloud server and want to install the 3CX image, whereas the hoster can only deliver plain debian ... |
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| 08:49.01 | nkuttler | mag_the_rose: sounds like a question for your hoster's support |
| 08:49.29 | JustASlacker | yeah, thats pretty specific to your hoster |
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| 08:56.33 | mag_the_rose | Isn't there a possibility to install an iso from inside an installation? |
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| 08:57.49 | diogenes_ | mag_the_rose, there is but you gonna have to reboot to grub. |
| 08:57.51 | mag_the_rose | Like: shrink the root partition, install image to the free space, reboot into new system, delete old partition, grow root fs... |
| 08:58.04 | JustASlacker | nothing thats reliable... |
| 08:58.16 | JustASlacker | you'll end up with an unbootable system |
| 08:58.35 | mag_the_rose | Y unbootable? |
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| 09:01.22 | JustASlacker | because its easy to make a mistake you cant easily recover without console access |
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| 09:01.55 | mag_the_rose | Well, the server is fresh and I can reinstall plain debian everytime, so mistake won't be a big deal... |
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| 09:21.36 | mag_the_rose | Hmm, since I don't have removable devices, I simply dd the install image to /dev/sda -> booting works but the debian installer could not find a cdrom for install ... can I resolve this by setting some symlink? |
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| 09:29.53 | lt | Will the same solution apply to Debian 10? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1162499/how-do-i-configure-laptop-lid-closing-event-to-turn-off-screen-but-not-put-compu |
| 09:30.20 | lt | in case there is no better ways to turn off screen once lid is closed |
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| 09:32.51 | diogenes_ | lt, it all depends on your DE. |
| 09:32.59 | lt | gnome |
| 09:33.39 | diogenes_ | it must be in settings power management. |
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| 09:37.32 | Mrbuck | When I uninstall firefox chrome is installed without my permision. When I uninstall chrome firefox is being installed. Any one noticed this weird debian behaviour? |
| 09:37.40 | Mrbuck | chromium* |
| 09:38.04 | Mrbuck | how can I uninstall both firefix and chromium in debian |
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| 09:38.34 | lt | diogenes_: I'm not sure what you're saying and what should be in P M settings |
| 09:38.55 | Haohmaru | Mrbuck eh? how do you "uninstall" them exactly? |
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| 09:39.15 | Mrbuck | Haohmaru: from software center |
| 09:39.31 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 09:39.43 | Haohmaru | is this debian? |
| 09:39.57 | Mrbuck | some time I tried even deleting files related to them in bin and where ever I find |
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| 09:40.02 | Mrbuck | Haohmaru: yes |
| 09:40.04 | Mrbuck | debian 10 |
| 09:40.16 | Haohmaru | don't delete system files, that's not crapdows! |
| 09:40.29 | Mrbuck | Gnome |
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| 09:40.49 | diogenes_ | since when Debian has software center? |
| 09:40.52 | Mrbuck | Haohmaru: I want to delete because I am frustrated with this werid behaviour |
| 09:41.17 | JustASlacker | apt remove firefox chromium-browser would be my guess |
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| 09:41.33 | JustASlacker | maybe sprinkle some sudo in there too |
| 09:42.21 | Mrbuck | JustASlacker: right now I have only firefox installed now if I run 'apt remove firefox chromium is going to get installed |
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| 09:43.14 | oxek | anyone know if debian has any plans on changing the default filesystem from ext4 to something else? Is there some place where I could read the discussion about it? |
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| 09:44.24 | Haohmaru | i'd guess that'd be somewhere on OFTC |
| 09:44.38 | Haohmaru | or worse.. a mailing list x_x |
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| 09:45.12 | JustASlacker | Mrbuck: pics or it didnt happen |
| 09:45.33 | Mrbuck | 2 mins |
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| 09:46.13 | Haohmaru | does he have some auto-updater thing that keeps installing sh*t automagically? |
| 09:47.29 | apollo13 | there could simply be a dependency on a meta webbrowser package |
| 09:47.37 | apollo13 | so if you uninstall firefox it will install another |
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| 09:48.13 | Haohmaru | yeah, uninstalling the wrong package |
| 09:48.17 | RoyK | oxek: haven't heard anything. Personally, I use ext4 for smaller filesystems and xfs for large ones. not hard to do manually |
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| 09:48.58 | Ashleee | oh dear xfs :) |
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| 09:49.07 | Ashleee | we've had enough broken xfs that we have switched to ext4 |
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| 09:50.30 | JustASlacker | really? havent had any problems with it |
| 09:50.39 | Ashleee | we've got several hundred machines... |
| 09:50.56 | Ashleee | there's only so many times you attempt xfs_repair before throwing wrench at the datacentre :) |
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| 09:52.52 | Mrbuck | I couldn't record it. I guess what apollo13 said |
| 09:53.00 | lt | This doesn't look right .. probably I had to empty the file before this script |
| 09:53.09 | lt | cat /etc/acpi/events/lm_lid |
| 09:53.09 | lt | event=button[ /]lid |
| 09:53.09 | lt | action=/etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh %e |
| 09:53.09 | lt | event=button/lid.* |
| 09:53.09 | lt | action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh |
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| 09:53.19 | Mrbuck | Haohmaru: thats why I am uninstalling them from software center |
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| 09:53.41 | Haohmaru | i don't have that thang, i use Synaptic |
| 09:53.53 | Mrbuck | ok |
| 09:54.08 | lt | how that is flooding! |
| 09:54.10 | Mrbuck | I mosty using apt get only |
| 09:54.26 | Mrbuck | software center just because of this |
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| 09:59.19 | Fox | !paste |
| 09:59.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 09:59.24 | Fox | lt: ^^ |
| 10:01.48 | Mrbuck | he left but fun part his number of lines and dpkg number of lines are same. There should be some transparency with respect it kicking but it is hard as spammer takes advantage |
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| 10:20.10 | Haohmaru | Mrbuck dpkg is allowed to "flood" cuz he's one bot servicing teh whole channel, now imagine if there were 10 people vomiting as much info |
| 10:20.19 | Haohmaru | or 50 |
| 10:21.51 | Haohmaru | also, that response to "paste" is really one line, your IRC client may be wrapping the text to 5 or 15 lines, but it's one IRC message, one line |
| 10:22.08 | Mrbuck | Haohmaru: yup, I got no isues at all |
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| 11:38.49 | ArsenArsen | hey; found a problem on the dsa website: https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4743 this should be showing DSA 4743 (which is in some ruby package) but it shows 4742-1, which is in firejail, except the description is also correct |
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| 11:39.48 | ArsenArsen | also, as a side note, the DSA RSS feed only shows "security update" in the description, and I failed to find where it is generated, to MR a change to make it actually useful in an rss reader, since that is the primary way I get notified about security issues |
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| 11:42.03 | jrtc27 | already fixed in https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/ea4695cc27694f8fc80eb1e6329c9fd24548d384, website should update within a few hours |
| 11:42.11 | jrtc27 | (it's rebuilt every 4h) |
| 11:42.26 | ArsenArsen | ah, I see, alright |
| 11:45.54 | jrtc27 | also |
| 11:45.55 | jrtc27 | > The latest Debian security advisories are also available in RDF format. We also offer a second file that includes the first paragraph of the corresponding advisory so you can see in it what the advisory is about. |
| 11:46.12 | jrtc27 | so if you want more detail I think you want https://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long ? |
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| 11:47.19 | Haohmaru | hm, this salsa page looks muchos like gitlab |
| 11:47.22 | jrtc27 | does seem a bit strange though that the short one exists, don't know why you'd ever not want the long one |
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| 11:47.32 | jrtc27 | yes, salsa is gitlab ce |
| 11:47.58 | Haohmaru | kewl |
| 11:49.32 | ArsenArsen | jrtc27: oh yeah that's much more useful, thank you |
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| 13:01.12 | _lucifer | Hi! I recently dual booted my Windows PC with Debian Buster. But I am having an issue with a wifi adapter. debian detects it only some times. I have to reboot the PC several times for debian to detect it. However, windows always detect it. How can I fix this ? |
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| 13:02.32 | dvs | _lucifer, My Intel WiFi occasionally doesn't come up when I boot. Dunno why either. |
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| 13:02.52 | plp__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.52 | plp__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.52 | plp__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.19 | plp__ | wow, sorry just pasted in here |
| 13:04.04 | _lucifer | dvs: :(. Will upgrading to debian testing or downgrading help? |
| 13:04.19 | dvs | no idea |
| 13:04.26 | dym | checked logs? |
| 13:04.39 | dym | that's the beauty of linux. logs. |
| 13:05.11 | _lucifer | what should I try to look for in the logs? |
| 13:05.20 | dym | /var/log/syslog |
| 13:05.23 | dym | check time of boot |
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| 13:08.01 | greycat | _lucifer: look for firmware errors in dmesg. Also tell us what kind of wifi device it is. If it's PCI, use "lspci -nn". If it's USB, use "lsusb". |
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| 13:15.09 | RoyK | dym: perhaps /var/log/kern.log |
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| 13:23.32 | _lucifer | greycat: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iYtzuqyu/ |
| 13:23.42 | _lucifer | lsusb gave this |
| 13:24.26 | greycat | scrolls up and down the output of curl THAT, and can't find the content.... |
| 13:25.00 | greycat | I'm guessing this is one of those sites that requires javascript in the client to decipher the paste, which means it won't work in lynx or curl or anything else like that. |
| 13:25.27 | _lucifer | wait i'll paste somewhere else then |
| 13:25.33 | greycat | there sure are a butt-ton of <script foo.js> links though |
| 13:25.41 | _lucifer | yes there are |
| 13:25.55 | _lucifer | clicking raw opens the raw the text pasted |
| 13:26.09 | greycat | window.IRCConfig.postmark_rebound_public_key = "4csaowzzefm2ney9gwz62m"; |
| 13:26.24 | greycat | because clearly you need this to serve up 10 lines of bloody PLAIN TEXT |
| 13:27.08 | greycat | ah, here's another link hidden deep inside: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/raw/iYtzuqyu |
| 13:27.18 | greycat | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter |
| 13:27.26 | greycat | that's all you had to do. paste one freakin' line. |
| 13:27.37 | _lucifer | yes this is the adapter i am talking about |
| 13:27.41 | greycat | !listkeys 7601 |
| 13:27.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of '7601' by key returned no results. |
| 13:27.53 | greycat | !listkeys 760 |
| 13:27.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of '760' by key (4): rfc760 ;; rfc1760 ;; m4y-xg760a ;; rt2760. |
| 13:28.06 | greycat | hmmm. |
| 13:28.27 | greycat | !ralink firmware |
| 13:28.27 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rt61pci>, <rt73usb>, <rt2860sta>, <rt2870sta>, <rt2800pci> and <rt2800usb> drivers. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-ralink package to provide. |
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| 13:28.52 | greycat | You can definitely start with that, especially if you confirmed that there are missing firmware files in dmesg's output. |
| 13:29.00 | TandyUK | hey guys, just upgraded a system from stretch to buster, and one of my quad port nics has been renamed |
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| 13:29.46 | greycat | If you were using udev 70-persistent-net.rules before, that's no longer supported in buster. It MIGHT work, or it might not. |
| 13:29.54 | RoyK | TandyUK: then just change the config to resemble the new name ;) |
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| 13:29.59 | TandyUK | Having studied https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames im still unsure how to rename my interfaces from "rename8" ,"rename9" etc, back to ID_NET_NAME_PATH from " udevadm test-builtin net_id /sys/class/net/rename8" for example |
| 13:30.07 | _lucifer | greycat: [ 95.119478] mt7601u 1-7:1.0: mt7601u_rxdc_cal timed out |
| 13:30.15 | RoyK | fixing it with udev is a hack, not a solution |
| 13:30.21 | _lucifer | my dmesg log has this line |
| 13:30.33 | TandyUK | wtf is it called "rename8" and not "enp10s0f0" for example |
| 13:30.39 | greycat | Nothing containing the string "firmware"? |
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| 13:30.53 | TandyUK | I dont get _why_ it randomly decided to rename *that* quad port nic, but leave the rest alone |
| 13:31.17 | greycat | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/353079/ralink-firmware-mt7601u-not-working-on-debian-id-148f7601 |
| 13:31.22 | TandyUK | this system has 16 nics, and a complex san config, so id rather tjust change "rename8" back to "enp10s0f0" like its meant to be |
| 13:31.47 | TandyUK | NFI why its only renamed 4 of the nics (a single quad port card), but left the rest as they were |
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| 13:32.46 | greycat | If installing the nonfree firmware doesn't fix the issue with the ralink, then I'm out of ideas. |
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| 13:35.16 | mag_the_rose | I'm still trying to install a custom debian ISO... all I have is remote access with terminal ... I tried to boot the iso directly from grub (following these instructions: https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/boot-debian-9-iso-from-hard-drive-grub2), but it couldn't find the iso, as the disk is not recognized (maybe because it's a virtual device?) |
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| 13:37.39 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: Is there a reason you're making a custom ISO for booting? Also, can't you boot from a (virtual) optical or USB drive? |
| 13:38.58 | TandyUK | RoyK: I dont want to 'hack it with udev', i want to know how to TELL systemd to call nics by their ID_NET_NAME_PATH by default, and not go assiging BS names at random |
| 13:39.09 | mag_the_rose | petn-randall: The iso is the 3cx iso (debian with some custom magic)... and I cannot create any virtual drive on the server, since it's located at some hosting site... |
| 13:39.13 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: Ah, found the part in the backlog. If you can't boot from optical device can you at least boot from custom drives? |
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| 13:39.42 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: You could then prepare the HDD image, upload it and boot from that. |
| 13:39.53 | mag_the_rose | petn-randall: no, i can choose between a couple of images (debian, ubuntu, ...) |
| 13:40.16 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: If all else fails, I'd probably switch hosters. It's not worth being a few bucks a year cheaper if you spend 10+ hours on installing it. |
| 13:40.29 | mag_the_rose | I tried dd the 3cx-image to the hd and boot that... kernel and initrd works but it fails to autodetect the cd ... |
| 13:40.42 | petn-randall | That doesn't surprise me. |
| 13:41.19 | mag_the_rose | what do you mean with prepare the hdd image and upload it? |
| 13:42.59 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: Some hosters allow you to boot from a custom hdd image. You could then for example install that image in libvirt, and then upload it. |
| 13:43.03 | n_1-c_k | TandyUK, try systemd.link(5) |
| 13:43.41 | mag_the_rose | Ah, i see... unfortunately, this is only possible to dedicated root servers here, not for cloud servers -.- |
| 13:43.56 | mag_the_rose | but at a dedicated root, I can even supply the iso ... |
| 13:44.25 | mag_the_rose | unfortunately, I didn't get the budget for a dedicated root :-D |
| 13:44.30 | RoyK | TandyUK: agreed - I don't know what's been smoking here |
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| 13:45.35 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: You could probably also do a regular Debian install, and then crossgrade to your other distro. No idea how feasible that is, though. |
| 13:46.22 | f0r3ign3r | After a fresh Debian install in a desktop, I'm facing an error at boot time that doesn't let me even login to tty: `pstore: crypto_comp_decompress failed, ret = -22!` |
| 13:46.31 | mag_the_rose | i just had the idea to do a minimal install at the remote site, the 3cx install locally and than rsync between those installs with -vaSux --delete-after ... |
| 13:46.52 | petn-randall | mag_the_rose: Or pick one of the hosters from here: https://www.3cx.de/partners/anbieter-gehostete-telefonanlage/ |
| 13:46.59 | f0r3ign3r | I've been looking the internet. The only solution I've found is to remove /sys/fs/pstore contents, but the folder is already empty |
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| 13:48.29 | f0r3ign3r | I've disabled secure and fast boot from BIOS, and installed Debian using UEFI mode. Grub installs fine, what can be the `pstore: crypto_comp_decompress failed, ret = -22!` related with? |
| 13:48.38 | mag_the_rose | petn-randall: they're too expensive :-o |
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| 13:54.54 | TandyUK | n_1-c_k: done, new nics will be fine, but i cant figure out how to rename the nics it already renamed... |
| 13:55.19 | _lucifer | greycat: i followed the answer and installed the firmware. my dmesg did not have any firmware lines. I'll try it and let you know how it goes in a day or two. Thanks :) |
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| 14:05.26 | greycat | TandyUK: If you followed all of the release notes for buster, you will have removed the udev 70-*.rules file, so that's no longer in use. But almost nobody actually READS and FOLLOWS all of the release notes. So if you still have a 70-*.rules file, it might be doing weird things. Or, you might find various renaming lines in dmesg's output. |
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| 14:06.23 | TandyUK | greycat: no udev rules |
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| 14:07.50 | TandyUK | but its renamed a quad port nic from enp[9/10]s0f[0/1] to ens1f[0/1], rename4 and rename9 |
| 14:08.12 | TandyUK | im not sure how to rename it back, if that makes sense. |
| 14:08.17 | greycat | dmesg will probably tell you that it happened, and when, and **MAYBE** give a hint to why |
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| 14:08.39 | TandyUK | new systemd/99-default.link or whatever its called is in place, but it doesnt seem to apply to existing nics |
| 14:08.44 | greycat | The path forward is to create a systemd.link file for each interface to assign the name you want. |
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| 14:15.27 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: Wouldn't hurt to rebuild your initramfs with: update-initramfs -u |
| 14:16.07 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: That will make sure that the libaries you need are in the initramfs. Although why they wouldn't already be is a question. |
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| 14:17.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 14:17.25 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: And of course this is just poking it with a stick. It might have nothing to do with your problem. |
| 14:17.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i set my selinux to strict or targeted? |
| 14:17.33 | f0r3ign3r | karlpinc well... til today I never faced any issue installing a "normal" debian, but today's one is getting weirder |
| 14:17.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | and whats the point of targeted if you already doing firewall? |
| 14:18.01 | f0r3ign3r | I'm trying to rebuild initramfs and checking what happens |
| 14:18.01 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: If it's "new" hardware, you could also try a kernel from backports.debian.org. |
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| 14:19.14 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: If none of that works you might have to actually figure out what's going wrong. |
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| 14:19.46 | f0r3ign3r | karlpinc it's an ASUS z270i motherboard from 2017... It has been running debian before. Just today I changed the disk in order to use a kingston A400 M.2 Sata III |
| 14:20.36 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: Any non-free firmware required? (Did you install from the unoficial installer images containing non-free firmware?) |
| 14:21.24 | f0r3ign3r | karlpinc, yes I'm using the unofficial non-free firmware. The only firmware missing is from the wifi card that the mb has soldered |
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| 14:23.36 | karlpinc | f0r3ign3r: There's always starting from the bottom and checking the hardware. Maybe do a smartctl on the new disk? (It's probably not ram, but for that there's memtest86+.) You could boot up using rescue mode in the installer and see if the (installer) logs say anything interesting. |
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| 14:25.18 | f0r3ign3r | karlpinc alright I'm gonna make some investigation from hardware to rescue mode |
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| 14:38.57 | Bushmaster | Hi, I have installed jEdit, its a text editor for Java coding, I downloaded the .deb package from jEdit website and installed it by going to file manager, downbload folder, right click and then Deb install and it went successfully, and created a nice jEdit icon in my Start and then Program menu, but when I click that to open jEdit, it wont open/run |
| 14:39.10 | Bushmaster | any idea wha t going on |
| 14:39.50 | greycat | Try running the program in a terminal. Maybe it will print helpful errors. |
| 14:40.08 | Bushmaster | greycat, I did, and it comes out this (base) bushcat@bushcat:~$ jedit |
| 14:40.09 | Bushmaster | (base) bushcat@bushcat:~$ |
| 14:40.54 | Bushmaster | sorry greycat it comes out this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pbp7mSPQ5m/ |
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| 14:58.43 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: Looks like that program expects java to be in /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14/bin/java. So you probably need to install java jdk 14, too. Check the instructions on jedit's website for details. |
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| 15:00.17 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, thanks, well I am running Java 14 for few months now, no problem, at all, here is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RfkNhTSJFf/ |
| 15:00.56 | f0r3ign3r | well.. The system now passes grub bootloader without error but freezes at `/dev/sda2: clean xxx/xxx files, xxx/xxx blocks` |
| 15:02.32 | mag_the_rose | petn-randall: got it :-D |
| 15:03.14 | mag_the_rose | Used my second server to create a tftp-server, than used a vswitch between them and loaded the image from grub via tftp ... |
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| 15:05.35 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, obviously that jEdit text editor now taking up space,how do I delete that software |
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| 15:29.08 | cbthree | is there a native Debian 10 deb package that can allow me create a Debian 10 live usb with persistence? |
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| 15:35.41 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: Well, you might have java 14 installed, but is it in /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14/bin/java? |
| 15:35.57 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, no idea |
| 15:36.05 | greycat | ... *plonk* |
| 15:36.11 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: That's something you can find out ... |
| 15:36.29 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, how |
| 15:36.48 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: Check if that file exists? |
| 15:37.53 | cbthree | Does debian-10.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso actually exist? |
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| 15:39.17 | alexrelis[m] | Is it possible to enable hibernate with an encrypted swapfile? If so, how? |
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| 15:41.42 | jhutchins | cbthree: https://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 15:41.52 | petn-randall | cbthree: That sounds a lot like a meta question. |
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| 15:44.16 | petn-randall | cbthree: If your question is how to install xfce on i386, I'd go with the netinstaller. If your question is meant literal, you can read up on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ "Only the first few images are available! Where are the rest?" |
| 15:44.33 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, here is the output that java exist https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/knWxsG5BGR/ |
| 15:44.58 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: ... |
| 15:45.15 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: That's not the path I mentioned, though. |
| 15:45.30 | cbthree | jhutchins, that website provides no native deb package to create a Debian 10 live usb with persistence |
| 15:45.49 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, which path? |
| 15:45.50 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: jedit expects java to be in /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14/bin/java. I'm guessing it's not there. The path in your paste is a completely different path. |
| 15:47.59 | cbthree | i want to create a Debian 10 live usb with persistence using the Debian 10 OS installed on my computer |
| 15:48.20 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qh3mjjfK6G/ |
| 15:48.59 | Bushmaster | there is jdk-14.0.1 petn-randall |
| 15:49.00 | greycat | I'm imagining he's going to reject every solution given, because it doesn't fit within his arbitrary restrictions. |
| 15:49.17 | greycat | In any case, we won't know. This is highly specialized stuff. Ask the #debian-live channel on the other network. |
| 15:49.34 | cbthree | greycat, are you talking to me? |
| 15:49.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:49.47 | greycat | Not any more. |
| 15:49.55 | cbthree | Have a nice day too |
| 15:50.42 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: Read my message again. Compare every single letter of the path with what you have. |
| 15:51.22 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: It's crucial that you understand that part for you to find any kind of solution. |
| 15:51.36 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14/bin/java |
| 15:51.47 | petn-randall | /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14.0.1/bin/java |
| 15:51.47 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, there is no jdk-14 but there is jdk-14.0.1 |
| 15:51.53 | petn-randall | You see the difference? |
| 15:52.13 | Bushmaster | yes its jdk-14 you looking for |
| 15:52.20 | petn-randall | Ok, cool. |
| 15:52.42 | Bushmaster | there is no jdk-14 but there is jdk-14.0.1 and then bin and then java |
| 15:52.50 | petn-randall | One solution is to create a symlink from /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14.0.1 to /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14/. |
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| 15:53.32 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, let me try, |
| 15:53.43 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: So `ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14.0.1 /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14` as root should create a symlink that will make /usr/lib/jvm/jdk-14/bin/java a valid path. |
| 15:53.45 | diogenes_ | cbthree, you need live persistence? |
| 15:53.57 | cbthree | yes |
| 15:54.06 | greycat | I'd use a relative symlink personally, but I'm sure that would destroy their mind. |
| 15:54.22 | petn-randall | Works either way. |
| 15:54.25 | diogenes_ | cbthree, i'll give you the instructions. |
| 15:54.33 | cbthree | thank you |
| 15:55.04 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, as greycat cat knows I am learning Linux, and it could be my first test, to do something real .. let me see I can do it |
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| 15:56.59 | diogenes_ | cbthree, https://dpaste.com/75YV8VKTJ |
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| 15:57.47 | diogenes_ | cbthree, i did it with live iso and not dvd. |
| 15:57.54 | dacencora | Hey guys I am back from yesterday |
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| 15:58.18 | dacencora | I am running Windows 10 on the same laptop, and I am not experiencing any freezes when downloading large files |
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| 15:58.33 | dacencora | So it appears to be a software issue, rather than hardware |
| 15:58.34 | petn-randall | dacencora: Welcome back |
| 15:58.53 | diogenes_ | cbthree, and be careful to rename /dev/sdc to your usb drive. |
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| 16:00.09 | cbthree | thank you, how does the method/instructions you gave me fare against mkusb? |
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| 16:02.15 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, it worked, but this text editor is crap it does not even do automation of java codes |
| 16:02.26 | tinga | What's the best way to install code (vscode, or rather, I hope, the "code OSS" variant(?)) on Debian? |
| 16:03.02 | diogenes_ | cbthree, i haven't tried mkusb so no clue. |
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| 16:03.05 | cbthree | diogenes_, what is the minimum usb flash drive i need for your method to work? |
| 16:03.08 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: Not much I can do about that. |
| 16:03.27 | diogenes_ | cbthree, 4Gb |
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| 16:03.48 | Bushmaster | yes I know but you being big help, it also helped me to learn something, how to carry out symlink in real problem |
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| 16:04.08 | cbthree | what is the size of persistence that you got? |
| 16:04.22 | petn-randall | Bushmaster: Nice to hear, learning is always the most fulfilling way of solving problems for me :) |
| 16:06.21 | diogenes_ | cbthree, it was a 16Gb drive so i stated the persistence size from 4Gb to 100% = 12Gb. |
| 16:07.14 | cbthree | An 8GB usb flash drive is what i have |
| 16:07.54 | diogenes_ | so you gonna ger 4Gb of persistence. |
| 16:08.01 | diogenes_ | get* |
| 16:08.02 | Bushmaster | petn-randall, well you have identified the problem by reading the error code from command line, something I guess come from lots of experience, you found the solution cos you knew the problem so I have long way to go |
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| 16:09.19 | cbthree | diogenes_, will i, at some stage of your method, need to specify the size of persistence i want? |
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| 16:10.17 | diogenes_ | cbthree, of course, line 19. |
| 16:10.23 | cbthree | thank you |
| 16:10.40 | diogenes_ | you're welcome |
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| 16:41.04 | jhutchins | Strykar: Ask them. |
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| 16:41.26 | Strykar | fair enough |
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| 17:25.32 | RoyK | ,v rclone |
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| 17:39.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 17:39.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | to 'enable' selinux i gotta rebooth the system right? i cant just use a cli tool |
| 17:39.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | reboot |
| 17:40.22 | RoyK | setenforce enforcing |
| 17:40.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 17:40.32 | RoyK | getenforce |
| 17:40.33 | RoyK | etc |
| 17:40.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope it not working |
| 17:41.23 | RoyK | what does getenforce say? |
| 17:41.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | disabled |
| 17:42.00 | RoyK | https://linux.die.net/man/8/setenforce |
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| 19:29.43 | braingain | im having a little stupid server trouble |
| 19:30.33 | braingain | server gets IP via dhcp assigned to interface, then I specify the default gateway to be reached via that interface but I'm still unable to reach the gw via ping |
| 19:30.58 | braingain | what did I miss here? |
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| 19:31.45 | greycat | You're manually specifying a default gateway even though the IP comes from DHCP? Why isn't the DHCP server giving the correct default gateway? |
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| 19:32.30 | greycat | Also, you need to tell us the IP address, the netmask, and the default gateway so we can tell you "that gateway is not on that network, what are you doing". |
| 19:33.34 | braingain | a sec |
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| 19:38.04 | braingain | https://imgur.com/a/h2IWZvj |
| 19:38.19 | braingain | first command is dhclient |
| 19:40.30 | greycat | Near as I can tell, your DHCP server gave you the IP address 192.168.0.235, netmask /24, and gateway 192.168.0.1. Those are set on the eno1 interface. Do they not work? What crazy gateway address did you try to use? |
| 19:40.34 | towo` | why posting pictures for a simple text output? |
| 19:41.54 | braingain | towo`: sorry the machine does not have an internet so i cant paste stuff |
| 19:42.58 | braingain | greycat: theres ip route show output showing the actual routes. can you tell me if they are correct |
| 19:43.26 | greycat | I can barely *see* them. |
| 19:43.50 | greycat | You said before that you tried to override the DHCP server's gateway, and I've asked you twice what address you tried to use. |
| 19:43.57 | braingain | sorry this phone was only 200 $ you can't expect its camera to work properly |
| 19:44.17 | greycat | So tell us what you did. |
| 19:44.28 | braingain | i did a dhclient on the interface |
| 19:44.33 | braingain | to get it set up correctly |
| 19:44.43 | greycat | ... |
| 19:44.45 | braingain | but there was a default route from /etc/network/interfaces set on boot |
| 19:44.57 | braingain | which I then had to delete and wanted to replace by a correct one |
| 19:45.07 | greycat | You have the interface specified in /e/n/i *AND* you *ALSO* ran dhclient by hand?? |
| 19:45.22 | braingain | no the interface in /e/n/i is bad |
| 19:45.30 | braingain | i dedusted the server from the cellar |
| 19:45.53 | braingain | i was trying to do the networking 101 by hand for now |
| 19:46.33 | braingain | my original plan is to switch the server on when i need it. unfortunately in my new convo i dont want 10m cable between the rooms |
| 19:46.35 | greycat | So there is a *static* entry in /e/n/i? And you wanted to use DHCP instead? You should have just said so. We'll tell you what to put in /e/n/i. |
| 19:46.48 | braingain | so i have to use wifi |
| 19:47.13 | greycat | "auto eno1" and "iface eno1 inet dhcp". That's what /e/n/i should have. |
| 19:48.58 | braingain | ok |
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| 19:49.27 | braingain | my /e/n/i has a bridge i dont know how to deal with atm because i first hand tried to fix wifi |
| 19:50.10 | braingain | if you know how to configure wifi with /e/n/i id be really glad i tried this one and it did not work at all |
| 19:50.19 | braingain | https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/WLAN#method_1 |
| 19:51.10 | greycat | AND THERE IT IS |
| 19:51.11 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 19:51.17 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 19:51.17 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 19:51.35 | braingain | :( |
| 19:52.30 | braingain | i tried this one as well https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:57.37 | braingain | if debian wiki doesnt cut it i need to go to arch wiki then |
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| 20:01.49 | NetTerminalGene | what package should i install for minimal gnome? |
| 20:01.55 | greycat | !install gnome |
| 20:01.56 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 20:01.59 | karlpinc | Where do people usually mount nfs/samba mounts? (I'm thinking /srv/, and reserving /media/ is reserved for localally attached devices. And that /mnt/ is reserved for more "temporary" use.) Thoughts? |
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| 20:02.32 | greycat | I generally make dedicated directories right at the root level, like /data1. |
| 20:02.44 | greycat | Depends on what the mount is used for, obviously. |
| 20:02.56 | NetTerminalGene | nice |
| 20:03.00 | karlpinc | greycat: That makes a lot of sense as well. This is for home directories -- mostly. |
| 20:03.26 | karlpinc | Well, not home directories, but a top-level directory in people's home dir that they put everything in. |
| 20:03.29 | greycat | Oh, then either the whole thing should be mounted at /home, or individual dirs should be automounted in the right spots on demand. |
| 20:04.10 | greycat | ... and of course you write thing1 and I write response1 and while I'm writing response1 you write thing2 that completely contradicts thing1. |
| 20:04.34 | karlpinc | greycat: Yes. |
| 20:05.25 | karlpinc | I'm torn between a single mount and then putting symlinks to various pieces into people's home directories and having separate mount points in the home directories which mount the "pieces". |
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| 20:06.35 | karlpinc | Thing is, I'm mounting using a single (system) user's credentials and using mount.cifs "multiuser" to have the user's see the server's permissions and see the mount as mounted as "themselves". So separate mount points seem to just clutter up fstab. |
| 20:06.50 | karlpinc | sec=krb5 |
| 20:07.24 | karlpinc | greycat: What comes out in the typing does not always match reality and needs to be corrected on re-read. |
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| 20:09.55 | greycat | "I have a bizarre-o setup that involves kerberos, NFS and CIFS all at the same time. I want to mount a hundred different little things, one in each user's home dir." The first part, whoosh, no freakin' clue what you even said. The second part still sounds like you want to use automount to mount each one on demand. |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | How you mount a thing *inside* each user's home instead of *as* the user's home is beyond me, though. I've never heard of nor seen such a thing. |
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| 20:28.55 | karlpinc | greycat: Dunno why they want a dir mounted in each home dir, but they do, so.... |
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| 20:29.24 | oxek | will libreoffice in debian stable (not backports) be updated to 6.4.5 during the lifetime of debian10? Does debian always track the "ESR" version of libreoffice? |
| 20:29.39 | karlpinc | greycat: And cifs supports kerberos, and that's whats used so.... |
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| 20:30.33 | karlpinc | (Frankly, every MS AD integration is always bizarre-o, imo.) |
| 20:32.16 | karlpinc | oxek: This is documented somewhere. Either the buster release notes or maybe the libreoffice readme.debian is where I'd start looking. |
| 20:32.55 | wuseman | Hello, recently I got a issue report from a debian guy. It seems xargs --show-limits -s 1 2>&1|grep -i "parallelism"|awk '{print $8}' wont work in debian only, why is this happening on this distro? and what should I use instead for get max-procs? It works on all distros I tried exempt debian. So how to grep max-procs on debian when I cant grep stderr really? Same problem with netcat that sending to |
| 20:32.58 | wuseman | stderr with debian |
| 20:34.05 | greycat | unicorn:~$ xargs --show-limits -s 1 2>&1 | grep -i parallelism |
| 20:34.05 | greycat | Maximum parallelism (--max-procs must be no greater): 2147483647 |
| 20:34.26 | greycat | Dunno why you think that number is useful, but you've been lied to. It works just fine. |
| 20:34.45 | greycat | that awk command is atrocious, though. use $NF instead of $8. |
| 20:34.54 | greycat | also, combine the grep and the awk. |
| 20:35.12 | greycat | xargs ... 2>&1 | awk '/parallelism/{print $NF}' |
| 20:35.40 | greycat | maybe the person who lied to you is using tcsh instead of a bourne-type shell |
| 20:35.45 | greycat | that would break 2>&1 |
| 20:35.55 | wuseman | Okay, I asked in here for a week ago also and he confirmed it didnt reply anything. Maybe it is caused by 'konsole' then cause both used plasma+konsole. Thanks alot |
| 20:36.19 | greycat | Has nothing to do with terminal emulators. Might have to do with the SHELL. |
| 20:36.35 | wuseman | Ok, |
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| 20:37.21 | RoyK | greycat: the number is 0x7fffffff, so max value of a signed 32bit integer |
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| 20:37.48 | greycat | and this is useful to me somehow? |
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| 20:38.50 | greycat | I can't imagine launching 2^32-1 processes in parallel with xargs is going to be a good idea on ANY system. |
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| 20:39.03 | greycat | or even 2^31-1 |
| 20:41.09 | jhutchins | greycat: Oracle, java. |
| 20:41.36 | greycat | jhutchins: vomit, pus |
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| 20:43.30 | jhutchins | Yeah, well... |
| 20:43.49 | jhutchins | Real world and all. |
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| 22:00.24 | oxek | what sort of things can break by upgrading the version of gpg in stable to the version in buster-backports? |
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| 22:04.40 | sney | probably not much, but you can look at the changelog and see if anything affects you https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/g/gnupg2/changelog-2.2.20-1bpo101 |
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| 22:15.41 | oxek | I'd like to try using the new ECC keys, but the version in debian seems to be too far behind |
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| 22:28.42 | robobox2 | how would i replace grub2 with grub-leagacy on debian stable? |
| 22:30.24 | dvs | I wouldn't |
| 22:30.54 | n4dir | i'd assume you remove the one and install the other. |
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| 22:31.36 | n4dir | i'd make sure to be comfortable with chroot in case stuff needs to be repaired. |
| 22:32.05 | n4dir | not that sure how exactly the installation iso handles it, but it sure repairs it too. |
| 22:32.21 | robobox2 | ok |
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| 22:59.16 | TheirLicense | Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume). |
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| 22:59.31 | sney | hm, slow k-line today |
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| 23:04.33 | petn-randall | No idea what GLAT is even supposed to be. |
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