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| 00:34.51 | JordiGH | I've got an encrypted image of my old Debian disk. It's got LV on it with uhm, a couple of volumes in it. |
| 00:34.59 | JordiGH | Can I somehow resize it in-place? |
| 00:35.23 | JordiGH | The image right now is just a file in my main hard disk. |
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| 01:23.34 | annadane | i'm having a weird issue, right control + page up works to switch a tab in firefox-esr but left control + page up doesn't |
| 01:23.40 | annadane | they both work with page down |
| 01:24.36 | sney | I was going to say both are fine here but I'm not using -esr |
| 01:24.55 | sney | possibly annoying question: have you checked it with a different keyboard? |
| 01:25.28 | annadane | i] need rto eboort, wHOLE keuyboartd i]s messed uup[ lol |
| 01:25.34 | annadane | nort joki]ng |
| 01:26.02 | sney | well, maybe we found the problem. |
| 01:26.05 | JordiGH | Sounds like you're just trying to protect your cat. |
| 01:26.16 | JordiGH | Deflecting blame. |
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| 01:28.38 | mlxprojects | Hello! Can I make a rootfs targetting the odd MIPS architecture used in Lexra processors? |
| 01:29.40 | sney | if those cpus are supported by a debian mips port, then probably |
| 01:30.37 | mlxprojects | That's the problem, the official MIPS port doesn't run there (cause of some instructions missing in Lexra's MIPS implementation)... |
| 01:30.57 | sney | mipsel, mips64el, and mipsbe all have available binaries to some extent. the latter is discontinued now but still more-or-less usable with LTS |
| 01:31.43 | sney | if debian/debian-ports isn't distributing binaries that run on your cpu, then the answer is no. |
| 01:32.20 | JordiGH | Oh, huh, guess this is most of what I want to do: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Resizing_LVM-on-LUKS |
| 01:32.42 | mlxprojects | sney: Uhm okay then, thanks |
| 01:34.15 | sney | looks like there's a #mipslinux on this network that may be able to give you something more useful. |
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| 01:44.23 | annadane | ...well. that keyboard's dead |
| 01:44.36 | annadane | guess i'll buy a new one tomorrow |
| 01:44.47 | sney | is the pgup/dn thing back to normal? |
| 01:44.49 | annadane | good thing i had a spare |
| 01:44.59 | annadane | yes lol |
| 01:45.06 | annadane | it just suddenly died |
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| 01:47.18 | annadane | this one is ok but the spacebar's wonky |
| 01:47.58 | annadane | i was like "fuck, how do i chroot and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard" and then thought "wait, i have another one" |
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| 01:48.34 | dvs | How does one kill a keyboard? |
| 01:48.41 | sney | time |
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| 01:48.57 | sney | those membrane switches are only good for so many updowns |
| 01:49.10 | annadane | oh no sney |
| 01:49.13 | annadane | EVERY key died |
| 01:49.26 | dvs | O_O |
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| 01:49.58 | sney | did you, perchance, spill something on it a few months ago, but then it dried out and still worked and you were like "I guess it's ok"? |
| 01:50.07 | annadane | don't think so |
| 01:50.29 | sney | then it was probably just a low quality kb in some way |
| 01:50.41 | annadane | sigh, everywhere is closed |
| 01:50.45 | annadane | have to wait til tomorrow |
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| 01:50.55 | annadane | wonky enter key and spacebar lol |
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| 01:51.08 | sney | way she goes bud |
| 01:51.43 | dvs | break in and steal one! |
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| 02:10.06 | annadane | it's fine, i need to buy other stuff too |
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| 03:03.14 | yanmaani | What does debhelper do? It sets +l 11xx once every ten minutes? |
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| 03:04.53 | mutante | yanmaani: sets a limit on how many people can be on the channel and adjusts it to always a bit over the current number so that new users can join but there is protection from mass joining |
| 03:05.28 | yanmaani | oh, like join floods? |
| 03:05.48 | mutante | yea |
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| 03:29.57 | nvz | yanmaani: its an eggdrop bot |
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| 03:35.11 | edufmass | Hello, I ssh a computer with normal user, then su to change to root, there is no shutdown or poweroff command, how can I shutdown the pc over ssh? |
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| 03:36.45 | nvz | !buster su |
| 03:36.45 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 03:37.51 | nvz | edufmass: systemctl poweroff |
| 03:37.53 | edufmass | I've just used systemctl poweroff |
| 03:38.00 | edufmass | thanks nvz :D |
| 03:38.19 | edufmass | I discovered right now haha |
| 03:38.56 | JordiGH | What about `sudo -i`? That's what I always use. |
| 03:39.11 | nvz | both poweroff and shudown commands should be there, they are just in /sbin/ and not accessible unless the PATH is set properly |
| 03:39.23 | nvz | which requires that you become root properly |
| 03:39.43 | sney | JordiGH: me too. the su change is for people who got used to using it wrong, more or less |
| 03:39.44 | nvz | however systemctl is in /bin/ so.. |
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| 03:40.16 | nvz | I'd always done su - back in the day.. but I havent used su other than in combination with sudo in a long time |
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| 03:40.31 | edufmass | will work if full path is written? (I don't speak english very well, I don't know if I uses tenses correctly) |
| 03:40.46 | nvz | edufmass: it should, yes |
| 03:41.14 | edufmass | ok :) |
| 03:41.41 | sney | frowns at sudo su |
| 03:42.35 | nvz | I've been using pkexec more often when I script or document anything because polkit is installed by default on any given debian system, where sudo is strictly optional and only installed if no root password is set |
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| 03:45.26 | sney | that's wise. I tend to rely on sudo (for single-purpose monitoring scripts) but maybe pkexec is smarter |
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| 03:46.13 | nvz | there are ways to just make polkit respect sudoers |
| 03:47.16 | nvz | but I been trying to observe the changes and be forward thinking in any efforts I make.. and sudo while still popular, is not default and polkit is.. and addresses modern concerns |
| 03:47.40 | nvz | iirc pkexec even does things to prevent eavesdropping on authentication |
| 03:51.02 | nvz | also eliminates the need for different frontends, as it has all that built-in |
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| 04:01.52 | edufmass | Is a good practice to use sudo? I install things that I need with root and then just use the pc with normal user |
| 04:02.33 | mutante | edufmass: keep doing as you do, imho |
| 04:04.00 | edufmass | ok :) |
| 04:09.01 | nvz | idk what people think sudo is.. but this is the 2nd time in the last 24hrs or so I've seen someone seem to think sudo is something other than what it is |
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| 04:09.21 | nvz | a user asked earlier if they should install things as root or with sudo.. like it makes any difference at all |
| 04:09.51 | edufmass | In this case we are the same person behind root and normal user |
| 04:10.13 | edufmass | but as sysadmin is good to give users sudo privileges? |
| 04:10.23 | nvz | su, pkexec, sudo, etc.. are just means of switching user accounts and in the latter two, enforcing policy on who can run what as who and when |
| 04:10.37 | nvz | edufmass: on your own machine, absolutely |
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| 04:11.24 | nvz | edufmass: for other users, no.. especially if you have to ask such things and dont understand polkit, sudoers, apparmor..etc.. well enough to limit what they can do |
| 04:12.04 | edufmass | that is why I not use it xD |
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| 04:12.35 | nvz | the utility of these things is to be able to allow specific permissions and not just allowing them to become root |
| 04:12.55 | nvz | saying that they can run a certain command as root during certain times of the day or such |
| 04:13.16 | edufmass | I know that can be configured which commands are allowed as sudo, but I don't know about apparmor and polkit |
| 04:13.48 | nvz | polkit is in a way just a modern sudo |
| 04:14.10 | nvz | apparmor however allows far more fine grained control on a per-app basis |
| 04:14.36 | nvz | you can further lock down that a user can run this app, but it can only use this much bandwidth, access these files.. etc |
| 04:16.11 | nvz | edufmass: I will say this, if you have any interest in such things you want to probably learn polkit and its pkexec command, because its part of a modern standards initiative and likely to be more useful in the future |
| 04:16.30 | nvz | edufmass: on Debian, anywhere you see sudo, you can just use pkexec instead |
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| 04:17.25 | edufmass | As I never had to use such things I didn't read about them. Is more easy to investigate and do things if is needed, but I'll try to learn :) |
| 04:18.13 | nvz | edufmass: yes well many documents you will come across will say "sudo" in them, however sudo command isnt on debian unless you either did not set a root password during install of the OS or you manually installed sudo |
| 04:18.26 | nvz | so when you read "sudo" replace it with "pkexec" |
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| 04:20.57 | nvz | sudo as the name would suggest was built to be like su but adding in policy that governs its use.. however its very old, and we now have polkit which is a policy suite built in to modern desktop linux, and pkexec is the sudo equivalent for this modern system |
| 04:22.25 | edufmass | This machine I wanted to turn off is an apache, mariadb and emqx home server. I followed some guides and just removed sudo from the examples because I used root user. I never thought on giving access to other users, but I'll try learn/practice about this things :) |
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| 04:24.22 | nvz | idk I personally tend to give my user accounts on my machines NOPASSWD: ALL access to sudo and setup polkit to follow suit.. but I also disable my user accounts so they cannot be accidentally compromised by exposing services that would allow login attempts |
| 04:25.05 | nvz | I typically use fprintd (fingerprint) login and keys |
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| 04:31.44 | edufmass | I learned some months ago to generate ssh key to automatically log in between my computers xD |
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| 04:43.22 | nvz | yes, well if you ever get around to doing such things outside your network I highly recommend mosh |
| 04:43.53 | nvz | mosh connects using existing ssh setup but unlike ssh which is TCP, mosh is UDP.. the practical difference being mosh can tolerate network hops, indefinite lag.. etc |
| 04:44.40 | nvz | perfect for when you're on the go.. doesnt matter if you put your laptop to sleep, wake it up on a totally different network, mosh keeps on going like nothing ever happened |
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| 05:39.59 | plp__ | hey is there a reason after installing Debian that I get a black screen and blinking cursor after rebooting? |
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| 05:44.23 | sney | plp__: usually that's due to a half-working video driver, you may need firmware. you'll get a text login prompt if you press ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 05:49.40 | plp__ | thanks |
| 05:50.15 | sney | !non-free sources |
| 05:50.15 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 05:50.25 | sney | firmware packages and video drivers often require this ^ |
| 05:56.15 | plp__ | so do I need to remove the non-free to get the firmware and video drivers? |
| 05:56.29 | rj1 | â¢â£´â ¾â »â¢¶â£¦ |
| 05:56.30 | rj1 | ⣾â ⢠â â ⣿⡠|
| 05:56.30 | rj1 | ⢿â¡â â ·â â |
| 05:56.30 | rj1 | â ⠳⣠|
| 05:57.42 | b30wulf | noice |
| 05:57.53 | plp__ | just asking since I installed with the unofficial with firmware image |
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| 06:07.14 | diogenes_ | plp__, try nomodset. |
| 06:07.25 | diogenes_ | !nomodset |
| 06:07.57 | diogenes_ | !nomodeset |
| 06:08.15 | diogenes_ | hmm |
| 06:08.40 | aaro | !modesetting |
| 06:08.40 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 06:09.51 | plp__ | okay, do I need a backports entry for sources.list? |
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| 06:53.33 | plp__ | I see that my /etc/modprobe.d/ directory is empty |
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| 07:01.22 | sney | it won't have anything in it unless there needs to be a config file overriding what's autodetected |
| 07:03.09 | plp__ | okay where do I set the nomodeset option |
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| 07:18.13 | nvz | when I need to set an option I usually just use the line in /etc/default/grub that says .. |
| 07:18.30 | nvz | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
| 07:18.49 | nvz | then update-grub |
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| 07:19.15 | nvz | if you don't for some reason need to set it more specifically like only for one kernel or something, then that should be fine |
| 07:19.32 | nvz | anything you put there should be applied to all linux kernels |
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| 07:20.50 | nvz | however consulting the docs because I wasn't sure, the difference between that and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 07:21.18 | nvz | is that the DEFAULT only applies to normal modes, where the other I normally use also appends recovery mode entries |
| 07:22.03 | nvz | so I guess in most cases its better to use the DEFAULT line unless its something you need on ANY boot even a single-user text-only recovery console |
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| 08:44.15 | xLil | What do you guys think of the debian right now? |
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| 08:45.06 | xLil | hello/ |
| 08:45.09 | xLil | //??? |
| 08:45.14 | nkuttler | the debian is the best |
| 08:45.21 | xLil | ok cool |
| 08:45.42 | nvz | @.@ |
| 08:45.50 | xLilDumpling | @.@ |
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| 08:58.52 | rainbowtux | Hi, can someone tell me if i need security.debian.org as an APT resource or is it redundant with buster-updates (when running buster) |
| 08:59.15 | nvz | rainbowtux: yes, you most certainly need it |
| 08:59.29 | nvz | dpkg, volitile |
| 08:59.29 | dpkg | Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
| 08:59.45 | nvz | dpkg, stable-updates |
| 08:59.45 | dpkg | buster-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <buster/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 09:00.11 | nvz | dpkg, buster/updates |
| 09:00.12 | dpkg | On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>. |
| 09:01.21 | rainbowtux | dpkg, nvz: thanks that explains it to me... setting up a debian mirror for internal use, so i will mirror both :) |
| 09:01.21 | dpkg | rainbowtux: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 09:01.41 | nvz | uh.. |
| 09:01.54 | rainbowtux | dpkg: which unparseable request? :o |
| 09:01.55 | dpkg | wish i knew, rainbowtux |
| 09:02.03 | nvz | dpkg, what are you? |
| 09:02.04 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 09:02.20 | rainbowtux | LOL |
| 09:02.26 | nvz | rainbowtux: you shouldnt be mirroring security.. debian doesnt even do it |
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| 09:02.50 | nvz | you need to be getting security updates directly from the debian security team |
| 09:03.06 | rainbowtux | nvz: why not? it is a rather forceful request from our Quality Assurance department |
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| 09:03.19 | nvz | ugh.. |
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| 09:03.43 | nvz | rainbowtux: because there can be inconsistencies when you mirror things |
| 09:03.50 | rainbowtux | nvz: they want full control over package versions so they can test every single bit before putting it on production environments.. |
| 09:04.04 | nvz | you may miss a critical security update because your mirror didnt get updated |
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| 09:04.35 | rainbowtux | nvz: well, they dont want daily updates anyway... not saying that i am a big fan of the decision, just saying what i am facing |
| 09:05.13 | nvz | yeah.. well whatever I suppose.. :P |
| 09:05.44 | nvz | in this case they may as well just be maintaining their own distro |
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| 09:06.56 | rainbowtux | nvz: please dont mention that... i hope i have nuked that idea for good :) |
| 09:07.19 | nvz | debian doesnt do random updates for stable.. the security updates are to patch important issues |
| 09:07.42 | nvz | proposed-updates I could see having additional scrutiny |
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| 09:08.49 | nvz | rainbowtux: well maybe they would prefer just doing like a lot of companies and staying on old-old-stable or something |
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| 09:08.55 | nvz | !elts |
| 09:08.56 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
| 09:09.19 | nvz | there are plenty of companies already paying for extended long term support on things they use |
| 09:09.45 | nvz | elts is free to use, but only maintains sponsored packages |
| 09:11.02 | nvz | rainbowtux: regardless though, without security repo, you aren't getting ANY security fixes |
| 09:11.11 | nvz | these things come only from the security team |
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| 09:13.58 | rainbowtux | nvz: i guess then i will make a nice and shiny mirror for that too and warn the powers that be that that is not the best way... as i did before |
| 09:14.30 | nvz | I would consider making an exception for security updates as debian itself saw fit to do so.. |
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| 09:14.52 | nvz | thats why the stable-updates are mirrored all over and security is not |
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| 09:15.26 | nvz | !security |
| 09:15.26 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 09:16.20 | nvz | rainbowtux: and if these folk are gonna micro-manage debian, they should learn how it works.. we have a LOT of resources out there |
| 09:16.41 | rainbowtux | thank you for all the information, sounds like a good idea... let's see what i get approval for :-) |
| 09:16.47 | nvz | heh |
| 09:17.10 | nvz | what dpkg mentioned about dsa.. |
| 09:17.13 | nvz | !dsa |
| 09:17.13 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
| 09:17.36 | nvz | we maintain our own security announcements on top of the standard CVEs |
| 09:17.49 | rainbowtux | nvz: i know... trying to stay on top of things... but sometimes the decisions come from less informed people unfortunately |
| 09:18.19 | nvz | yeah, trust me.. I know.. thats why I do this for free.. so I can tell such idiots where to shove it :D |
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| 09:20.14 | rainbowtux | :-D i do it too, but in the end i can only try steering... and it is not always as simple in a complex product of course |
| 09:22.07 | nvz | yeah. well it has always for me come down to the contract.. and I think it should for any and all Debian users.. |
| 09:22.17 | nvz | !social contract |
| 09:22.17 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
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| 09:22.24 | nvz | !why debian |
| 09:22.25 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 09:22.43 | nvz | if those don't fit, then Debian isn't going to either |
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| 09:58.57 | derchris | hi, how long does it take for a package to reach buster-backports when it is already in backports-new ? |
| 10:00.07 | praguecajovna | hi all, can anyone help me debug a problem with changing to eg tty1 from an i3 session?... |
| 10:01.01 | praguecajovna | sudo chvt 1 hangs from a terminal in i3 until I change to, say tty1 using ctrl-alt f1, and change back... |
| 10:02.31 | praguecajovna | ...but ctrl-alt f1 does not always work - sometimes from i3 I can change to tty1, sometimes tty3, but it is intermittent. |
| 10:03.41 | Unit193 | derchris: That queue is *usually* cleared once a week. |
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| 10:07.17 | derchris | Unit193: thanks, waiting for a package so i can continue my work on other packages builds |
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| 10:19.14 | Unit193 | derchris: Ahaha, annnnd thereee we go! |
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| 10:24.17 | Unit193 | sponix: IIRC, you wanted qemu in backports? It's been accepted too. |
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| 10:26.44 | derchris | that is the one i'm waiting for too |
| 10:30.29 | nvz | could be worse..you could be waiting for gettext :P |
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| 10:30.51 | nvz | that is getting to the point we should have memes about it |
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| 10:39.17 | f8e4 | hi folks, how to name a file with emtpy space like 'a b.csv' ? |
| 10:39.26 | f8e4 | i press tab autocomplete but it does not let me |
| 10:39.38 | nvz | a\ [tab] |
| 10:39.54 | yanmaani | f8e4: In terminal, try "move myfile.csv 'a b.csv'" |
| 10:40.22 | f8e4 | nvz ty |
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| 10:40.48 | nvz | f8e4: its the same as anything else, you have to keep typing until its no longer ambiguous |
| 10:41.56 | nvz | but you have to escape the space |
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| 11:02.30 | jelly | yanmaani, it's mv not move on Linux and Unixes |
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| 11:03.52 | nvz | it also had nothing to do with the question |
| 11:04.22 | nvz | which is understandable since the context to what the question was, wasn't part of the question :P |
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| 13:16.03 | jubalh | hi |
| 13:16.11 | jubalh | If I made the mistake to not use quilt edit but just another editor. How can I make quilt know that I edited that file? Reverting with vi and then editing again with quilt edit doesn't seem to work |
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| 13:20.05 | cmtptr | i'm trying to setup a debian behind a tor transparent proxy, but if i configure sources.list to use http://<something>.onion/debian, then apt-get update complains "Direct connection to .onion domains is blocked by default. If you meant to use Tor remember to use tor+http instead of http." the "by default" part here implies i can change it, but i can't find it documented anywhere how? |
| 13:23.38 | Fox | cmtptr: you need to install apt-transport-tor and change your sources.list to use "tor+http" instead of just "http" |
| 13:24.39 | cmtptr | Fox, thanks, i think you understand my problem. tor+http wants to connect to tor's localhost SOCKS proxy, but that is not my use-case. my machine is behind a tor transparent proxy, which means all outbound traffic is transparently routed through tor and the machine itself remains agnostic to it |
| 13:24.47 | cmtptr | s/understand/misunderstand/ |
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| 13:26.03 | Rico | hello |
| 13:26.29 | Rico | firewalling and selinux beeing disabled, what would cause the OS or kernel to not pass ip packets to a process ? |
| 13:27.27 | cmtptr | the process isn't listening on the right interface or port |
| 13:27.48 | Rico | cmtptr: it is. another idea ? |
| 13:27.54 | cmtptr | nope |
| 13:27.57 | Rico | :'( |
| 13:30.30 | Rico | cmtptr: to be more explicit : tcpdump on host show packets. nc on host show packets. strace -f -e trace=network -p $(pidof process) does not show packets |
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| 13:36.22 | cmtptr | if you're able to receive with netcat, then the problem is the application has not setup its listening descriptor correctly |
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| 13:43.26 | jelly | Rico, tcp, udp or actual raw ip? |
| 13:43.37 | Rico | raw ip / udp |
| 13:43.47 | Rico | (sip) |
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| 13:49.48 | RoyK | Rico: udp isn't raw ip, but then, the udp header isn't much. note that sip also runs over tcp, while rtp uses udp |
| 13:53.04 | Rico | yes. in this case it 's sip over udp |
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| 14:10.01 | sponix | Unit193: Yes... qemu in backports would be great. Thanks for that information |
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| 14:31.51 | linux_user | two quick questions: 1) how does one request a package to get updated for stable or testing? (simh from 3.8 to 3.9 say), and (2) if I install stable and upgrade to testing, how can I configure testing to install a pack from stable if it is not in testing? |
| 14:32.25 | linux_user | a pack=a package |
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| 14:36.16 | qman__ | the point of stable is that that doesn't happen, the major package versions stay the same and only security updates and major bugfixes are applied, to those same major versions |
| 14:36.32 | qman__ | the exception there is backports |
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| 14:38.30 | linux_user | ok, maybe I typed what I did wrong |
| 14:38.35 | linux_user | I installed testing |
| 14:39.17 | linux_user | a package is missing from testing (simh) and I want to install it from stable. You are saying then that I'd have been able to do that if I first installed stable and upgraded to testing instead of installing testing directly? |
| 14:39.37 | linux_user | Also, Stable has a very old version of simh that itself needs to be updated in the repo |
| 14:44.37 | qman__ | no, I'm not saying that |
| 14:45.01 | qman__ | what you should probably do in this case is just build the package yourself with the verison you want, since it's not in the testing repo, and the stable one is not the version you want |
| 14:45.01 | linux_user | then I do not understand what you meant |
| 14:45.30 | linux_user | the documentation for Debian says to never really do that |
| 14:45.33 | qman__ | you initially asked how to get a new version of something put into stable, and my answer to that is, you don't |
| 14:45.38 | linux_user | so what you are saying goes against what the docs say |
| 14:45.49 | qman__ | no, it doesn't |
| 14:45.54 | linux_user | so software in stable never gets updated? |
| 14:46.16 | qman__ | the software versions stay the same, and patches get backported to it |
| 14:46.26 | qman__ | with a few specific exceptions where that's not practical |
| 14:46.44 | qman__ | that's why it's stable, the versions don't change unexpectedly |
| 14:46.59 | linux_user | ok |
| 14:47.10 | linux_user | so this page is wrong then? https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:47.14 | qman__ | back to building it yourself, the advice is not to just compile and install whatever |
| 14:47.23 | qman__ | that doesn't mean never compile software |
| 14:47.44 | linux_user | Did you look at that page? |
| 14:47.47 | qman__ | it means start with what's in the repos, then backports, then if your software is not available, build your own package correctly, and use the package manager |
| 14:49.01 | qman__ | by build correctly, that means compile it into a deb package, with proper dependency settings |
| 14:49.01 | linux_user | so lets say I want the latest version of simh how do I use the package manager to build it? I know how to do a git clone and make and make install but that is different from using the package manager to do it if there is no package? that makes no sense |
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| 14:49.08 | linux_user | ok |
| 14:49.13 | linux_user | how would I do that then? |
| 14:49.20 | linux_user | that makes sense |
| 14:49.26 | qman__ | there are a couple ways, checkinstall is the "easier" way |
| 14:49.37 | linux_user | ok |
| 14:49.41 | qman__ | there's also the method the debian maintainers use, has a lot more requirements |
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| 14:50.10 | qman__ | with checkinstall, you drop-in-replace the "make install" step with "checkinstall", but you also have to create the debian directory and fill in the details |
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| 14:50.47 | linux_user | is there docs on this I can read? |
| 14:50.59 | linux_user | because I never did it and don't know what directories and such you mean |
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| 14:53.08 | qman__ | this one looks pretty good https://ostechnix.com/build-packages-source-using-checkinstall/ |
| 14:53.46 | linux_user | I'll read that, but there is no Debian docs on it? |
| 14:53.53 | linux_user | or this is just a better documentation? |
| 14:54.00 | qman__ | this one too https://debian-administration.org/article/147/Installing_packages_from_source_code_with_checkinstall |
| 14:54.12 | qman__ | there is a page in the debian docs but it's much less detailed |
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| 14:54.32 | qman__ | here https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall |
| 14:55.10 | linux_user | looks pretty straight forward |
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| 14:55.28 | linux_user | the first page you gave me is pretty clear |
| 14:55.31 | linux_user | thank you |
| 14:55.35 | qman__ | sure |
| 14:55.48 | linux_user | ok, so now my other questions: |
| 14:55.51 | qman__ | yeah, it's not that difficult, and this way you get a deb package, that can be removed from your system easily when needed |
| 14:56.01 | linux_user | I totally agree |
| 14:56.05 | qman__ | and you can build a new version and replace it, etc. |
| 14:56.30 | linux_user | 1) Is it better on any level to install stable and then upgrade to test or is installing testing directly going to get me to the same place? |
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| 14:57.03 | linux_user | 2) If I am running testing and want a package that is in stable but not in testing how do I tell Debian to install from stable repos? |
| 14:58.24 | qman__ | 1. no, it's possible some things could be left behind, but that's incidental and generally not what you want, you should install testing directly |
| 14:58.48 | linux_user | ok |
| 14:58.52 | qman__ | 2. you should not add the repositories to your APT, if you want to install a package from stable, just manually download the deb file and install it with dpkg |
| 14:59.07 | qman__ | adding the repo can create conflicts |
| 14:59.32 | qman__ | keeping in mind this is a "less recommended" option |
| 14:59.52 | qman__ | ideally you want everything from the testing repo if you're running testing |
| 14:59.59 | linux_user | oh a friend said there is a way to add a repo into testing where it normally ignores it but if you say apt-get -t stable install whatever it will go and get the package. but normal apt-get dist-upgrade and such ignore the repos for stable. he did not have time to explain it all to me the other day |
| 15:00.02 | qman__ | it's an alternative when that doesn't have what you need, but it's not ideal |
| 15:00.18 | linux_user | ok |
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| 15:00.46 | linux_user | testing doesn't normally have all the same packages stable does just with updates? |
| 15:00.47 | qman__ | hmm, I'm not aware of an option like that, but it may exist |
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| 15:01.08 | jelly | ,v simh |
| 15:01.09 | judd | Package: simh on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.1-5; stretch: 3.8.1-5+b2; buster: 3.8.1-6; sid: 3.8.1-6+b1 |
| 15:01.17 | qman__ | no, testing is the next release of debian, before it becomes stable |
| 15:01.27 | jelly | dpkg, why is simh not in testing |
| 15:01.27 | dpkg | simh is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=simh |
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| 15:04.04 | jelly | that looks unkempt |
| 15:04.19 | linux_user | so it means that simh is out until testing gets gcc10? |
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| 15:04.41 | jelly | on the other hand there hasn't been a new upstream release from 2012 til late 2019, so maybe debian maintainer has updated it yet |
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| 15:05.23 | linux_user | well my original question was how do you request an update and man said you don't |
| 15:05.42 | qman__ | not in stable |
| 15:05.55 | qman__ | the update would be in sid and maybe make it to testing |
| 15:06.06 | jelly | linux_user, you can file a Severity: wishlist bug report to ask for the newer upstream version, BUT that's always going to end up only in unstable |
| 15:06.08 | qman__ | unless there was some pressing reason to backport it |
| 15:06.48 | jelly | (and then trickle down to testing if it doesn't have horrible issues) |
| 15:07.07 | linux_user | so if it runs in unstable for 10 days then it makes it to testing? |
| 15:07.48 | linux_user | how do I file a severity wishlist bug? |
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| 15:09.56 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 15:09.57 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 15:11.13 | jelly | linux_user, note that Debian maintainer for the package should already be aware that there is, in fact a newer version released upstream: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/simh |
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| 15:12.21 | linux_user | oh |
| 15:12.31 | linux_user | so its already on his radar to upgrade it you mean? |
| 15:13.45 | jelly | that mean in should be, yeah. But sometimes real life takes priority over Debian packaging... maybe read the other open bugs, first. |
| 15:13.46 | linux_user | so I downloaded the latest simh and did a make (not make install) on it under testing and nothing broke, so what is this guys problem? |
| 15:13.52 | jelly | #824883 seems relevant |
| 15:13.53 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/824883 in simh (open): «Simh/unstable is very out of date»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-05-20; last modified: 2019-10-27. |
| 15:15.36 | jelly | maybe talk to the last person from that bug, says they've already packaged it from git source recently (well, less than 12 months ago) |
| 15:16.43 | linux_user | ok |
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| 16:33.20 | alexrelis[m] | You know how there's `torbrowser-launcher`? It would be cool if there was a firefoxbrowser-launcher which automatically downloads the latest Firefox, Beta, Dev Edition, or Nightly and create a shortcut for it. |
| 16:33.38 | alexrelis[m] | Could help people who want to migrate to Debian but want the latest Firefox. |
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| 16:37.36 | oxek | alexrelis[m]: there's flatpak |
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| 16:46.17 | aaro | alexrelis[m]: you have at least 2 options for that, first: get it from sid, for that you'd need to add sid repos and configure apt pinning to avoid problems, second: download the firefox tarball from mozilla site, unpack it and let it update itself |
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| 16:46.49 | greycat | Choose the latter. Seriously. |
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| 16:52.08 | annadane | there's almost always a better way than getting something from sid |
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| 16:53.36 | alexrelis[m] | I am aware of those options. I personally stick with Firefox ESR. Just thought it would be a good compromise as it allows a person to easily install Firefox from the official repos without violating Debian Stable's policies, fetching from Sid, or having to download a tarball and create a shortcut. |
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| 16:56.02 | aaro | i get firefox from sid but i use testing branch though, no problems so far |
| 16:56.35 | aaro | you just need to know what you're doing like everything |
| 16:56.40 | annadane | yeah, well, if you're on testing it's a different story |
| 16:56.56 | sney | mixing testing and sid is a supported configuration, yes |
| 16:57.27 | sney | firefox is something that would be appropriate for fasttrack |
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| 17:00.38 | neredsenvy | I have this before my public key in authorized_keys `command="/usr/bin/sudo /opt/deploy $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND"` i'm trying to run `mkdir -p /opt/deploy/test` over ssh I have tried with wrapping the command in double and single quotes I get no error but dir is never created. |
| 17:00.43 | neredsenvy | I tought that my command will get sent to /opt/deploy script which exists but is empty just this line #!/bin/bash |
| 17:00.49 | neredsenvy | So I added eval $1 but does not seem to work either. |
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| 17:05.31 | jelly | neredsenvy, is /opt/deploy a directory or a file? |
| 17:05.44 | neredsenvy | A file |
| 17:05.56 | neredsenvy | Contains just one line: ` #!/bin/bash` |
| 17:06.15 | greycat | then how is mkdir /opt/deploy/test supposed to work? |
| 17:06.17 | jelly | it's going to be rather hard for "mkdir -p /opt/deploy/test" to succeed then |
| 17:06.52 | neredsenvy | Yup you are correct let me try another path |
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| 17:07.46 | greycat | I would suggest that you make your ssh key's command= point to a script that *logs* its arguments in a file, so you can see what you're actually doing. |
| 17:07.53 | jelly | it might be a good idea to do some print-debugging, that is, add at least a line with echo -- "$@" into your wrapper script |
| 17:08.07 | neredsenvy | Ok I now tried ssh ...@... "mkdir -p /opt/test" but it does not work. |
| 17:08.10 | jelly | or log to file, that's also a good idea |
| 17:08.13 | greycat | I prefer printf '<%s> ' "$@" |
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| 17:10.12 | neredsenvy | Ok I see that the /opt/deploy gets the command |
| 17:10.21 | neredsenvy | `<mkdir> <-p> </opt/releases/test> debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype exit-status reply 0` |
| 17:10.31 | jelly | ooh |
| 17:10.39 | greycat | so, perhaps you want something like eval "$*" |
| 17:10.50 | jelly | that's some very special printf syntax |
| 17:11.15 | greycat | The shell's version of printf loops if you give it more arguments than format spec placeholders. |
| 17:11.27 | neredsenvy | Awwww yes |
| 17:11.28 | neredsenvy | it works |
| 17:11.37 | neredsenvy | greycat thanks a lot |
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| 17:15.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey what happened to the debian pastebine |
| 17:15.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | bin |
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| 17:17.01 | greycat | Looks like it's currently "broken". |
| 17:17.06 | greycat | Pick another one. |
| 17:17.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh ok |
| 17:17.26 | jelly | paste.ubuntu.com is typically reliable |
| 17:18.27 | greycat | PLEASE do NOT use that one. |
| 17:18.36 | jelly | what's wrong with it now |
| 17:18.45 | greycat | You have to register to view the raw paste. |
| 17:18.53 | jelly | wow, since when |
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| 17:23.38 | jelly | pinged paste.d.n's owner on oftc |
| 17:24.16 | jelly | has own pastebin but the domain is a swear word |
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| 17:27.48 | greycat | hah |
| 17:28.15 | greycat | I have one as well, but I limit pastes to 32k. Many people here want to put larger stuff, like Xorg.0.log files. |
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| 17:29.05 | jelly | should have set the limit to 640K |
| 17:29.38 | mutante | ;) |
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| 18:04.42 | mason | termbin.com is amazingly good for debugging |
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| 19:20.23 | nvz | Eryn_1983_FL: you are either really creative or not at all.. :P |
| 19:21.27 | nvz | can't help but think of AOL/Yahoo! Chat everytime he sees that f'n nick |
| 19:24.26 | diogenes_ | nvz, at least it's not a swear word as jelly's domain name. |
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| 19:25.27 | tharkun | !lts |
| 19:25.28 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and <stretch-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:28.22 | nvz | diogenes_: why swear when you can have a domain in the "cloud" like http://nvz.farted.net/cnc |
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| 19:29.15 | diogenes_ | nice one :) |
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| 20:06.15 | oxek | the debian pastebin is having trouble now. Which is an alternative one, that allows creating pastes that are not visible unless you know the exact URL? |
| 20:06.32 | oxek | (I know debian.net is not a debian product) |
| 20:07.55 | diogenes_ | oxek, http://ix.io/ |
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| 20:10.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | nvz: why is that? |
| 20:10.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | rofl |
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| 20:15.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i could of done something unique nvz but then nobody know who i am anymore.. |
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| 20:25.58 | nvz | Eryn_1983_FL: you apparently don't know these folk that well.. there are some people who'd know.. piggy.. and sussudio.. |
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| 20:30.32 | nvz | I'd talked a bit with sussudio recently and they rattled off nicks and things I'd said going back to 2003 :P |
| 20:30.38 | nvz | nicks I dont even remember using |
| 20:32.34 | nvz | and if you actually live in florida, my condolences.. ugh.. miserable place.. I hope to never visit again :P |
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| 20:33.56 | alexrelis[m] | aaro: Perhaps this is a rather unpopular opinion but I believe that Debian should just include regular Firefox in Stable. Chromium is basically rolling release on Stable anyway. |
| 20:34.23 | nvz | alexrelis[m]: Debian cannot include firefox |
| 20:34.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | lolol nvz |
| 20:34.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | couldn't take the heat? |
| 20:35.07 | nvz | no one is allowed to ship firefox unless they do so unmodified.. and that won't work in debian |
| 20:35.30 | nvz | this is why we called it iceweasel before -esr came available and was a compromise |
| 20:35.39 | greycat | you're out of date, nvz |
| 20:35.52 | nvz | not surprising |
| 20:36.02 | nvz | but I thought it was still fairly accurate |
| 20:36.19 | mutante | it was true for about 10 years but now it can be Firefox again |
| 20:36.33 | greycat | !iceweasel |
| 20:36.33 | dpkg | Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel for historical information. Since 2016, Debian no longer applies a custom branding to Mozilla Firefox (https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600). <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/> |
| 20:36.36 | nvz | actual firefox, not firefox-esr? |
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| 20:37.05 | sney | esr is like lts, it approaches a different problem |
| 20:37.06 | RoyK | greycat: https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
| 20:37.14 | RoyK | seems nvz is quite right here |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | Debian doesn't include non-ESR firefox in stable releases because it's not stable. |
| 20:37.36 | greycat | Debian includes firefox-esr in stable releases, because it's stable-ish (close enough), and it's Firefox. |
| 20:37.38 | nvz | but the firefox people dont have issues anymore with the modification? |
| 20:37.39 | mutante | same for Thunderbird and "Icedove" i think |
| 20:37.55 | greycat | The name branding thing was resolved 4 years ago. |
| 20:38.01 | nvz | cause as I recall their argument was they didnt want their BTS upstrem clouded with bug reports of modified versions |
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| 20:38.12 | nvz | they were drawing a hard line on modifying it and keeping the same name |
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| 20:38.57 | sney | they argued that debian's patches resulted in it no longer being firefox. eventually they changed their minds. iirc a component of the reversal was that debian's firefox maintainer is also an upstream firefox developer |
| 20:39.18 | nvz | ah. yeah well that helps |
| 20:39.30 | nvz | having it maintained by actual FF developers |
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| 20:43.54 | nvz | I personally only use ff to "appify" things like netflix.. custom profile and userchrome.css to remove all the chrome (title bars, nav bars, tabs, etc.. ) and make custom icons to run web pages like native apps |
| 20:44.13 | nvz | so I dont really follow the whole FF issues |
| 20:44.38 | nvz | s/title/scroll/ |
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| 20:49.00 | nvz | https://termbin.com/8942 is my ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profile_dir>/chrome/userCHrome.css fwiw if anyone is interested in doing the same |
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| 20:53.23 | nvz | results in a window that has only the window frame and the web content.. I use it to make custom launchers with icons that launch firefox-esr -p netflix https://www.netflix.com/ or such |
| 20:53.49 | nvz | can also be handy for things like webmail, online mapping, or anything you want to treat more like a native app |
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| 20:55.43 | nvz | if I knew/cared how, I'd also remove the - Mozilla Firefox from the titlebar |
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| 21:05.27 | FightingFalcon | Where do i see ALL the connection attemps to my server? |
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| 21:08.18 | jhutchins | FightingFalcon: Logs |
| 21:08.23 | FightingFalcon | What logs? |
| 21:09.00 | jhutchins | FightingFalcon: /var/log/messages |
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| 21:09.23 | jhutchins | FightingFalcon: There might be others of interest in /var/log/ |
| 21:09.27 | cmtptr | iptables -I 1 INPUT -j LOG |
| 21:09.28 | greycat | the logs of the specific service you care about, as long as that service logs connections |
| 21:09.45 | jhutchins | FightingFalcon: Not sure how much systemd logs. |
| 21:10.13 | greycat | if you mean something like "but I don't WANT to have to track down each service one by one -- I'd like the KERNEL to log everything", then see cmtptr's answer |
| 21:10.57 | FightingFalcon | I have web site running on my server and i got random "err_connection_timed_out" errors and need to learn what causes it |
| 21:11.18 | greycat | so you specifically mean web server connections? then the web server's logs. |
| 21:16.01 | jhutchins | greycat: I was thinking logwatch is a pretty good summary. |
| 21:16.46 | FightingFalcon | greycat, nothing there. is the error related to client or my server? |
| 21:18.01 | greycat | "connection timed out" could be either side's fault, or the firewalls/routers in between. |
| 21:18.33 | greycat | It's the client simply reporting that it never received a response. Which could mean the server never got the request. Or the server got it, but the client didn't see the responses. |
| 21:19.56 | jhutchins | Interesting, it looks like I have three virtual adapters: phy0: Wireless LAN |
| 21:19.56 | jhutchins | 2: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN |
| 21:19.56 | jhutchins | 4: dell-wwan: Wireless WAN |
| 21:20.05 | jhutchins | OOps. |
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| 21:21.16 | FightingFalcon | greycat, if the server got the request but failed to give a request then there must be a report in the logs right? If nothing is in logs then it means the server never got the request? |
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| 21:59.55 | greycat | FightingFalcon: if there's nothing in the logs, that's *probably* a sign that the request never made it to the server. But no guarantees. It's just a hint as to the place to start looking for the actual problems. |
| 22:00.16 | FightingFalcon | So its a problem of the client and not the server right? |
| 22:00.25 | greycat | Not enough information to determine that yet. |
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| 22:00.58 | greycat | Does the client get the right IP address when it looks up the domain name? Can the client ping that IP? (Can anyone?) Can the client connect to other ports on the same server, if any are exposed? |
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| 22:01.02 | coolternet | hello guys |
| 22:01.37 | greycat | Are there any known firewalls on the server, or on the client, or on any of the routers you know about on the path between the two? And so on. |
| 22:02.21 | coolternet | i need to resize a partition of my hdd. i'm on VirtualBOX and i had to resize his hdd. Now, im on linux debian 9 and i need to resize my partition with parted but i dont want to loose everything. |
| 22:04.04 | FightingFalcon | PLEASE everybody try to connect to https://www.kasvekuvvet.net and if any of you gets timeout error, tell me? |
| 22:04.40 | greycat | I connected fine with wget --spider -S. |
| 22:04.51 | coolternet | im not getting error Fight |
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| 22:05.50 | FightingFalcon | ok |
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| 22:07.47 | FightingFalcon | thanks |
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| 22:37.11 | Aavar | Any good IRC-Clients that support modern features like link- and image previews ? |
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| 22:48.05 | JordiGH | I think gajim can do that with a plugin. |
| 22:48.40 | CommunistWolf | gajim is xmpp, no? |
| 22:48.51 | JordiGH | I think it also does IRC, let me check. |
| 22:48.54 | CommunistWolf | quasselclient can do link previews but I always turn it off |
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| 22:49.23 | JordiGH | Oh, right, guess gajim is only jabber, oops. |
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| 22:49.33 | JordiGH | Hard to tell jabber apart from IRC sometimes. :-) |
| 22:51.18 | sney | most of the irc clients that can do link/image embedding and previews are web-based, so I hesitate to call them "good" because that tends to add a lot of overhead and slow down the scrollback. |
| 22:51.29 | sney | the main one I've heard of is irccloud but there are others. |
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| 22:52.05 | smashgrab | Not bad selfhosted: https://thelounge.chat/docs/install-and-upgrade |
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| 22:56.02 | GrayGhost | I have install deb 10 gnome and need to find the wifi driver for my lenovo laptop ? |
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| 22:56.47 | sney | GrayGhost: what you need is the firmware for your driver. what wifi adapter do you have? |
| 22:56.52 | KNERD | Well, you have to know what wi-fi devic eyou got |
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| 22:57.07 | KNERD | to install the proper drive |
| 22:58.53 | GrayGhost | sney: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter |
| 22:58.53 | GrayGhost | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.27 | sney | !ath10k firmware |
| 22:59.27 | dpkg | Firmware required by the <ath10k> driver is currently not available from the <linux-firmware> repository. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath10k/firmware for more information. |
| 22:59.31 | GrayGhost | I am curently running LMDE4 and the wifi works fine |
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| 23:00.19 | sney | hm, bad link |
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| 23:00.47 | sney | ,file ath10k/*.bin |
| 23:00.49 | Aavar | JordiGH, CommunistWolf, smashgrab, sney: thank you. I'll check those oujt:) |
| 23:00.52 | judd | Search for ath10k/*.bin in buster/amd64: [truncated] firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA4019/hw1.0/board-2.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA4019/hw1.0/firmware-5.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw2.1/board-2.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw2.1/board.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw2.1/firmware-5.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/board-2.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/board.bin, |
| 23:00.53 | judd | lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/firmware-4.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/firmware-6.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/board-2.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/board.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-5.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9887/hw1.0/board.bin, lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9887/hw1.0/firmware-5.bin, (1 more message) |
| 23:01.19 | sney | GrayGhost: looks like it's in the firmware-atheros package. enable non-free and install it via apt. let us know if you have any questions. |
| 23:01.47 | KNERD | thanks to systemd , if shoudl start working right away |
| 23:02.08 | GrayGhost | I have been unable to enable non-free :( |
| 23:02.26 | sney | what do you mean by unable? what have you tried? |
| 23:03.02 | GrayGhost | to enable it in software updater |
| 23:03.29 | sney | for best results, add it to /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor |
| 23:03.36 | sney | !non-free sources |
| 23:03.36 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 23:03.49 | GrayGhost | I will switch over to the deb install and join you back here |
| 23:04.34 | GrayGhost | when I installed I pointed the install to the berkly ca site and have had trouble ever since |
| 23:05.46 | sney | some direct mirrors are iffy, we usually recommend using the deb.debian.org mirror network instead |
| 23:05.59 | KNERD | I am having issue with installing the i386 architecture Doing dpkg --add-architecture i386 then apt update does nothing. |
| 23:06.24 | KNERD | on Buster |
| 23:06.39 | GrayGhost | I guess i should just reinstall using that |
| 23:07.02 | sney | if you want to reinstall, there's an installer that includes the firmware files and makes the wifi setup easier: |
| 23:07.04 | sney | !firmware image |
| 23:07.04 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 23:08.00 | GrayGhost | sney: that is what i thought ... I installed with a wired network but it did not install the wifi |
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| 23:08.31 | sney | GrayGhost: you probably used the regular netinst, not this one. it's special and not easy to find on the debian website |
| 23:08.35 | themill | KNERD: what does "nothing" mean? what did you expect to happen? |
| 23:10.10 | KNERD | themill: well, after doing apt update.. it reports "All packages are up to date." I would of expected the i386 architecture to commence installing. Unless it has chnaged since Debian 9 |
| 23:11.34 | KNERD | Afterall, that is what the docs are saying https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 23:12.42 | sney | KNERD: adding i386 to apt doesn't automatically install any i386 packages, you have to tell it what packages you want in the other arch |
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| 23:15.48 | KNERD | well, running dkpg --print-architecture shows only amd64 |
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| 23:16.53 | sney | same on my system and I am able to install i386 packages. have you tried installing an i386 package? |
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| 23:19.32 | KNERD | sney: okay, thanks. I could of sworn in Debian 9 , there was something installed after I did aptt update |
| 23:20.37 | sney | it's not impossible if you were in the middle of resolving a dependency from something else, but normally apt update will not trigger a package install |
| 23:23.18 | themill | KNERD: you want --print-foreign-architectures not --print-architecture |
| 23:25.23 | KNERD | oh, okay..thanks for that info |
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| 23:57.51 | solrize | any idea why after a few dist-upgrades, i have several old initrd.img-4.19.0-x-amd64 files using up most of the space on my tiny /boot partition? |
| 23:58.01 | solrize | and why does the distro not make /boot bigger? |
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| 23:58.18 | solrize | thx |
| 23:59.37 | sney | debian normally prompts you to remove old kernels via apt autoremove, it's not supposed to keep more than 2 at a time |
| 23:59.57 | solrize | i did autoremove and it freed up some space but no tin /boot |