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| 04:06.55 | torchinz | hey guys, I am stuck at the nvidia driver installation, specifically at this: https://imgur.com/ZPiZnJL |
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| 04:08.49 | klys | torchinz, opena new terminal and run top, to see if something is working on it |
| 04:09.43 | torchinz | sorry klys, sorry but what do you mean by "run top"? |
| 04:09.50 | klys | $ top |
| 04:11.01 | torchinz | Ran it. I can see a bunch of processes. What should I look out for? |
| 04:11.08 | klys | gcc |
| 04:11.47 | klys | and high cpu percentages |
| 04:12.55 | torchinz | Not seeing gcc or high CPU usage |
| 04:13.33 | klys | perhaps $ pstree | less; will help to visualize where dpkg is sitting |
| 04:13.51 | torchinz | let me try |
| 04:15.05 | torchinz | nothing there. at least nothing having "nvidia" |
| 04:15.21 | klys | you're looking for children of "dpkg." |
| 04:15.37 | torchinz | sorry. I found out this "-gnome-terminal--+-bash---sudo---dpkg---frontend---nvidia-installe---nvidia-installe" |
| 04:16.25 | klys | $ sudo killall -CONT nvidia-installer |
| 04:16.29 | klys | see if that helps |
| 04:17.21 | klys | (if you don't have it, killall is in the psmis package.) |
| 04:17.25 | torchinz | Got this msg: nvidia-installer no process found |
| 04:17.36 | klys | pscmisc* |
| 04:17.40 | klys | psmisc* |
| 04:18.28 | klys | how about $ ps waux | grep nvidia- |
| 04:18.57 | klys | it seems there were two of those, just not sure what specifically they are called. |
| 04:20.18 | klys | if you run $ ps waux | less; the pid is the leftmost number |
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| 04:21.14 | torchinz | there are two processes being run at root (1. /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-installer-cleanup.postinst configure 2. nvidia-installer --uninstall --no-runlevel-check --no-x-check --ui=none) |
| 04:21.41 | klys | it seems the second process is the one we want the pid for |
| 04:21.44 | torchinz | And one process run by the my account "grep nvidia-" |
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| 04:22.17 | torchinz | One more process at root: /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-installer-cleanup.postinst configure |
| 04:23.07 | klys | the one we want to signal should have the patest pid number. |
| 04:23.15 | klys | latest* |
| 04:23.35 | torchinz | 5090 - grep nvidia- |
| 04:24.02 | klys | grep isn't still running and so pid 5090 won't still exist |
| 04:24.41 | klys | you'll need the one before grep |
| 04:24.51 | torchinz | Oh okay. Then that would be 4365 nvidia-installer --uninstall --no-runlevel-check --no-x-check --ui=none |
| 04:25.06 | klys | # kill -CONT 4365 |
| 04:26.46 | torchinz | I ran that |
| 04:26.55 | klys | is it still hung |
| 04:27.07 | torchinz | and ran ps waux | grep nvidia - still shows 4365 process running |
| 04:27.12 | torchinz | yes, still hung |
| 04:27.21 | klys | you could try pressing return over there some more |
| 04:28.03 | torchinz | should I try killing other processes from ps waux | grep nvidia -? |
| 04:28.19 | klys | oh I was just trying to prod it |
| 04:28.34 | klys | you can try -CONT on the others, sure |
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| 04:29.04 | torchinz | no change :( |
| 04:29.15 | klys | may have to kill it then -TERM |
| 04:29.44 | jmaher | i have this ancient mod python cgi file form.py - is there some of just running it from the command line without having to get apache up and running again? |
| 04:30.59 | klys | jmaher, that would be a #python question |
| 04:31.01 | torchinz | My problem is in two parts: I was trying to install the default nvidia driver on my buster (closing x and installed from there). Once done, I restarted the PC and tried to check if Nvidia control panel worked, which didn't. |
| 04:31.21 | torchinz | I tried to run synaptic for "nvidia-driver" which started this current issue. |
| 04:31.39 | torchinz | I had force closed it and rebooted, yet it didn't work. |
| 04:32.11 | torchinz | Now, I cannot run synaptic without dpkg --configure -a, which again starts the nvidia process (that we are trying to solve). |
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| 05:19.43 | nvz | !bat |
| 05:19.43 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 05:38.38 | mirrorbird | i upgraded(?) to debian testing, and now apt can't find packages |
| 05:38.41 | mirrorbird | all sorts of packages |
| 05:39.01 | mirrorbird | can i go back to debian buster using the same method i used to switch to testing? |
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| 05:41.58 | jmaher | mirrorbird: short answer, not easily - check your apt sources, maybe you're missing something... |
| 05:42.43 | mirrorbird | :/ |
| 05:42.55 | mirrorbird | apt install libgpg-error (package notfound), also happened with some others |
| 05:43.14 | mirrorbird | sigh. so i wasted 3 hours breaking my system and finally getting it (i hope) working, and no i have to spend many hours reinstalling debian 10 from scratch again |
| 05:43.56 | mirrorbird | when i changed to testing i lost so many packages, e.g. network-manager, and had no internet connection. why would it remove that and not add back the latest version? |
| 05:44.11 | jmaher | mirrorbird: what does apt-cache search libgpg-error say? |
| 05:44.56 | jmaher | mirrorbird: testing isn't guaranteed to work - that's why it's called testing... |
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| 05:45.54 | nvz | ,v libgpg-error |
| 05:45.55 | judd | No package named 'libgpg-error' was found in amd64. |
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| 05:46.35 | nvz | which means it doesn't exist in any branch |
| 05:47.01 | themill | mirrorbird: real commands and real output in a pastebin and solving the problem is probably a better option |
| 05:47.02 | jmaher | mirrorbird: are you looking for libgpg-error0 |
| 05:48.16 | mirrorbird | meh |
| 05:48.47 | mirrorbird | libgpg-error-dev worked, at least. how can i update the info that comes when i type "apt install someTAB"? |
| 05:48.52 | mirrorbird | i think that is the problem, it's outdated |
| 05:49.31 | themill | that info comes from apt; if you've only just upgraded from buster to bullseye, it's not outdated |
| 05:49.53 | mirrorbird | well i tried to install a few different programs, which were visible when i tabbed, but which were not found |
| 05:50.07 | themill | mirrorbird: real commands and real output in a pastebin and solving the problem is probably a better option |
| 05:50.50 | themill | "a few different programs" is sufficiently vague that no-one can provide you with any assistance |
| 05:50.58 | mirrorbird | 1 moment |
| 05:51.34 | mirrorbird | paste debian service unavailable |
| 05:52.34 | mirrorbird | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jYPjygf85p/ |
| 05:53.21 | mirrorbird | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/76XYJT2FSW/ |
| 05:56.34 | jmaher | mirrorbird: I find https://packages.debian.org very useful - i don't see any package called network-manager-applet? |
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| 05:58.41 | themill | mirrorbird: what does "apt show -a network-manager-applet" say? |
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| 06:25.46 | mirrorbird | themill: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G5TFXdKgrT/ |
| 06:26.51 | mirrorbird | jmaher: that is odd indeed |
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| 06:56.48 | CryptoSiD | I'm trying to enable Selinux on debian and it's a pain! I'm getting "Failed to determine Selinux label: Function not implemented |
| 06:56.52 | CryptoSiD | and the system won't boot |
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| 06:57.26 | CryptoSiD | anyone know how to enable Selinux on debian buster?! |
| 06:59.34 | bauen1 | CryptoSiD: you might want to ask in #selinux on freenode, generally it should boil down to installing selinux-policy-default |
| 06:59.52 | bauen1 | and running `selinux-activate` |
| 07:00.26 | bauen1 | if it won't boot, edit the cmdline in grub and append `enforcing=0` or `security=none` |
| 07:01.32 | CryptoSiD | yep I was missing the selinux-policy-default. All good now :) |
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| 07:09.58 | Mokshamint20 | Hello. I need help with Debian install CDs.. What is the difference between 'debian-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso (349 MB)' and 'debian-10.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso (641 mb)'? Will I be able to install XFCE offline from the second ISO? |
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| 07:15.34 | SpeedyG | jup, thats the general idea |
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| 07:17.45 | Mokshamint20 | But I tried the XFCE iso and was unable to install xfce offline. It just installed the debian base like the neinst ISO and I landed in tty screen on reboot.. |
| 07:18.42 | Mokshamint20 | What extra step do I need to install XFCE offline from that ISO? I google so much but couldn't find out how. :( |
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| 07:35.13 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: do you have internet connectivity ? |
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| 07:38.38 | Mokshamint20 | bauen1 Only mobile data. Net install is nigh impossible on my connection. |
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| 07:41.02 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: that's a bit complicated, you could use e.g. `tasksel` or `apt-get install task-xfce` to install xfce but that would usually pull it over your network |
| 07:41.49 | bauen1 | i'm pretty sure it is possible to use the package repository on the xfce install cd |
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| 07:42.20 | Mokshamint20 | :( Network is my problem.. But.. I have another question.. Why is the ISO named xfce if it'll pull from internet like netinst? |
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| 07:43.46 | bauen1 | it shouldn't |
| 07:44.30 | Mokshamint20 | bauen1 Can you please tell me how to install xfce offline from that CD then? |
| 07:44.45 | Mokshamint20 | I am unable to figure it out. |
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| 07:45.18 | bauen1 | i've never done this, but if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list there should be a commented line containing the name of your cdrom |
| 07:47.28 | Mokshamint20 | I am unable to find the etc directory on the install CD! |
| 07:48.36 | bauen1 | i'm sorry i was talking about the installed system |
| 07:48.43 | bauen1 | are you trying to reinstall using the xfce cd ? |
| 07:49.31 | Mokshamint20 | Yes. I would like to start from scratch and install XFCE along with the base system, but offline.. I am using debian-10.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso (641 mb). |
| 07:50.24 | bauen1 | are you using the graphical user interface or the text user interface ? |
| 07:50.51 | Mokshamint20 | bauen1 Graphical |
| 07:51.14 | Mokshamint20 | After the base is installed, it asks for repo. Then exits.. cuz I am offline |
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| 07:53.21 | bauen1 | Does it ever prompt you to select "tasks" ? (Desktop Environment, Webserver, SSH Server) ? |
| 07:53.49 | Mokshamint20 | Nope. Ideally it should, after it connects to a repo.. But..:( |
| 07:54.07 | Mokshamint20 | If I connect for a brief time to let it connect to repo and then disconnect? |
| 07:54.19 | bauen1 | That could worj |
| 07:54.20 | bauen1 | *work |
| 07:54.48 | bauen1 | but it might fetch a few mb worth of information |
| 07:55.02 | shtrb | How do I properly select with jq all objects with a property and still have a json valid output ? I tries "cat messages.json |jq '.conversations[].MessageList[] | select (.conversationid=="8:live:username") " to get all conversation from the skype export with 8:live:username but I {content}{content} instead of [{content},{content}] |
| 07:55.28 | bauen1 | the other way might be to let it install, and then try to figure out how to access the additional packages on the cd from the installed system |
| 07:56.23 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html#di-install-software 6.3.6 might contain useful information |
| 07:56.43 | bauen1 | have you tried to "not select" a mirror / repository ? |
| 07:57.16 | Mokshamint20 | Yes. Nothing happened.. |
| 07:57.34 | bauen1 | actually i'm reading the docs as you need to select a mirror, but the installer will use local packages if available and fall back to network |
| 07:58.51 | Mokshamint20 | Does that mean, selecting XFCE in installer offerings will download only the packages absent from the ISO? |
| 07:59.02 | bauen1 | now if only speed of the mobile connection is a problem, then that behaviour is fine, but if data limits are a problem this is a bit tricky |
| 07:59.05 | bauen1 | it appears so |
| 07:59.24 | bauen1 | and newer versions (e.g. security updates) |
| 07:59.25 | shtrb | Mokshamint20, only if the installer and the mirror have the same version 10.5 vs 10.5 |
| 08:00.49 | Mokshamint20 | I think mirror should be 10.5 too. :) |
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| 08:02.11 | shtrb | I don't know if you had been already adivesed , but you can download a DVD (first disk) to install all what you expect to see, and after you finish just to use mobile network to install the missing parts |
| 08:02.25 | Mokshamint20 | bauen1 What if I ignore the debian installer which by default grabs everything like browser and related packages and use the shell to install minimal XFCE? |
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| 08:02.44 | Mokshamint20 | Will this behavior be replicated in that scenario too? |
| 08:03.19 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: if you only configure the cd repository and disabel every other repository it will only load packages from the cd (no matter the version) |
| 08:03.28 | bauen1 | i've never tried it, in theory it should work |
| 08:03.51 | shtrb | bauen1, are you suggesting for him to make a CDD ? |
| 08:03.55 | bauen1 | but if the installer installs packages that are more up to date than are available on the cd you might get into dependency hell |
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| 08:04.43 | bauen1 | shtrb: no, i think it's possible to install the base system without network, then use the repo on the installer from the installed system to install xfce4 without any network connection |
| 08:04.57 | bauen1 | but i would suggest / advices you use the simpler way of configuring a mirror |
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| 08:06.29 | shtrb | yes , that is possible (I did it many times), it is enough to select NO mirrors and continue with the installing (just rmemeber to get a big enough DVD) , you can even use a CDD with preselected packages that need to be installed (100% no internet access and you manually select what you wish to install) |
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| 08:10.28 | Mokshamint20 | I am sorry my internet connection is just too bad and it decided to disconnect |
| 08:10.49 | Mokshamint20 | Please resume.. I was asking how to set it to pull from CD repo |
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| 08:11.36 | shtrb | Mokshamint20, I think the easist way for you to do would be to download the DVDs , and not to select any mirror at all during install but just use the DVDs as install media. |
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| 08:12.22 | shtrb | It would be 100% offline installation, however after you finish install you would need to add a network mirror (and remove the dvd ones) if you like and do apt-get update |
| 08:12.47 | Mokshamint20 | Um okay. But the DVD will take half a month to download. :( |
| 08:13.55 | Mokshamint20 | Will the live CD work or I need to grab one of those mega 4 GB DVDs? |
| 08:15.28 | Mokshamint20 | nvm I checked it. I'll grab the live-cd.. Will take at least 7 days to downlad.. |
| 08:15.44 | shtrb | Mokshamint20, using the d-i installer would requrie a network mirror , but if you have a prefered DE like xfce you can get directly a cd with that DE packages. |
| 08:15.44 | Mokshamint20 | Anyways, thanks guys for helping me out. |
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| 08:16.02 | mujjingun | bad internet connection feels :( |
| 08:16.03 | shtrb | Mokshamint20, don't you guys have a LUG close to you ? |
| 08:16.53 | Mokshamint20 | What's a LUG? I googled it and found some copper metal.. |
| 08:17.05 | shtrb | LUG = Linux User Group |
| 08:17.29 | shtrb | A group of Linux geeks who used to help install linux , back in the day it was the thing |
| 08:17.38 | Mokshamint20 | AFAIK, nobody in the 1000 yard radius knows about Linux.. |
| 08:17.59 | mujjingun | thats not a lot of yards |
| 08:18.14 | Mokshamint20 | I am bad at maths. :( |
| 08:18.33 | shtrb | 1 km is not that much to get a CD :D |
| 08:19.01 | shtrb | Oh feces , never mind , just figured out where you are located, you need a bloody boat there (based on the news) |
| 08:19.08 | mujjingun | lol |
| 08:19.13 | Mokshamint20 | It was.. like.. I meant 100,000 yards should do.. >.< |
| 08:19.17 | mujjingun | where do they live |
| 08:20.04 | Mokshamint20 | mujjingun what? |
| 08:20.12 | shtrb | how do you even have working network after that event ? your IT people in town must be very good |
| 08:20.15 | mujjingun | where do u live i mean |
| 08:20.35 | shtrb | TLD .IN |
| 08:20.49 | Mokshamint20 | Man.. Those were dark dark days.. |
| 08:21.04 | mujjingun | indonesia? |
| 08:21.39 | Mokshamint20 | A lot of electricians got electrocuted while fixing the mess in my city. |
| 08:21.48 | Mokshamint20 | mujjingun India |
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| 08:21.56 | mujjingun | oh man |
| 08:21.59 | mujjingun | that sounds bad |
| 08:22.41 | Mokshamint20 | We have had 3 cyclones in last three years, one in each. |
| 08:23.13 | mujjingun | meanwhile, americans: "climate change is not real" |
| 08:23.32 | Mokshamint20 | Google Fani, Bulbul, Amphan.. And hudhud, too.. |
| 08:23.37 | shtrb | common you are down playing it, you have a monsoon season , that most of us would think is apocalyptical rain (for us) |
| 08:24.11 | Mokshamint20 | =( |
| 08:24.21 | mujjingun | we have typhoons here but it never gets that bad |
| 08:24.36 | mujjingun | although it has been raining for 1.5 months straights here |
| 08:25.51 | Mokshamint20 | I mean we had this Amphan cyclone after the covid outbreak. Just imagine what people had to go through.. |
| 08:26.08 | mujjingun | oof |
| 08:26.10 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: if you need to download the files in a form anyway you could also just install the bare system and then use the normal process to download the additional packages for xfce4 (should be around 400mb judging from cd size difference) |
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| 08:27.05 | bauen1 | if 4gb takes you ~7 days this should only take somewhere between a day and 12h |
| 08:27.35 | Mokshamint20 | bauen1 Yes. I will. I just remembered that Linux has this awesome feature to remember downloaded packages across reboots. That will do. |
| 08:27.36 | bauen1 | and if you don't need all the bells and whistles you can probably cut the download size down considerably |
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| 08:27.56 | bauen1 | iirc the "Desktop Environment" task also pulls down things like vlc |
| 08:28.01 | bauen1 | and libreoffice |
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| 08:29.41 | Mokshamint20 | I will use the LO appimage. And I prefer smplayer to VLC. So I need the bare minimum.. I just checked the wiki.. Will apt install xfce4 --no-install-recommends do? |
| 08:30.20 | bauen1 | yes |
| 08:30.43 | Mokshamint20 | Thank you! :) |
| 08:30.54 | bauen1 | you might want to look into what task-xfce-desktop and task-desktop recommend |
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| 08:31.12 | Mokshamint20 | I am noting that down too. :) |
| 08:31.36 | bauen1 | i personally can't recommend appimage, but whatever |
| 08:31.51 | bauen1 | if your computer is a laptop task-laptop also hase a few quality of life improvements |
| 08:32.05 | Mokshamint20 | I am on dektop |
| 08:32.11 | Mokshamint20 | But what's wrong with appimage? |
| 08:32.46 | bauen1 | and you've probably already looked into it, but ublock origin for firefox can bring those 50mb news sites down to a reasonable size |
| 08:33.05 | Mokshamint20 | YES! That's the best thing to ever exist |
| 08:33.14 | Mokshamint20 | I set it to 10 KB personally |
| 08:33.23 | Mokshamint20 | :D |
| 08:33.44 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: iirc last time i checked you download an appimage and then run the file and the file you downloaded is responsible for setting up any sandboxing |
| 08:34.32 | shtrb | Mokshamint20, I can't test for you but I think https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso should be enough for you (just xfce) , maybe someone with some spare time could help verify that |
| 08:35.10 | bauen1 | Marbug: if your threat model says that the vendor of the LO appimage is 100% trusted that isn't an issue |
| 08:35.28 | bauen1 | sorry for the ping, wrong person |
| 08:35.28 | Mokshamint20 | shtrb That's the exact ISO I have. And I was inquiring if there's a way to actually xfce offline using that.. |
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| 08:36.29 | Mokshamint20 | bauen1 I download it straight from TDF server.. they host it officially with PGP keys. |
| 08:37.21 | Mokshamint20 | And I thought firejail is used to sandbox all appimages manually.. None actually ship with any sandboxing.. |
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| 08:38.49 | Mokshamint20 | https://appimage.org/ It says: Can also run in a sandbox like Firejail. I'd assume all appimages can be sandboxed? |
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| 08:39.17 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: but just download a file and run it don't you ? |
| 08:40.23 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: you don't really know if it even sets up a sandbox |
| 08:41.12 | Mokshamint20 | I am a lil scared now. I am better off using LO from back-ports. Version 7 should arrive soon. |
| 08:41.52 | Mokshamint20 | I am bringing this upon their IRC though |
| 08:41.54 | bauen1 | Mokshamint20: you probably don't need to be, at least not for LO |
| 08:42.51 | Mokshamint20 | Okay then. I only use official appimages like Kdenlive and LO etc.. |
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| 08:47.45 | shtrb | Mokshamint20, your fear is about that cd demaning network correct ? |
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| 08:48.13 | Mokshamint20 | Yes. |
| 08:48.51 | Mokshamint20 | Without network, it never installs any DE, at least not on the graphical installer.. |
| 08:51.57 | Mokshamint20 | I really think there should little more info on the wiki.. About what sets this CD apart from the netinst ISO. |
| 08:53.11 | Mokshamint20 | shtrb Please proceed. |
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| 08:53.41 | Mokshamint20 | Did you find a workaround? |
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| 08:57.02 | Mokshamint20 | Okay I will do it as bauen suggested. Thank you all for the help. Have a nice day. |
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| 10:23.22 | oxek | why does debootstrap automatically download apt-transport-https package, which is a transitional package that is no longer necessary? |
| 10:23.51 | another | compatibility? |
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| 10:32.27 | oxek | compatibility with what? Debootstrap does not use apt itself, and packages depend on the suite selected. stable suite has apt that already has the functionality of apt-transport-https |
| 10:33.04 | oxek | I'm confused about where debootstrap gets the list of packages to install, and why that list includes apt-transport-https |
| 10:33.28 | oxek | s/install/download |
| 10:34.58 | Unit193 | Check /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/debian-common |
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| 10:43.56 | oxek | Unit193: I see, thanks. That answers my question. |
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| 10:48.29 | oxek | I think apt-transport-https should be split from debian-common then. But I doubt this change will happen. |
| 10:48.48 | oxek | its installed size is 156kB, which is an issue on a minimal system |
| 10:52.47 | Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/N4HsK3N2sl95m4BEoGqY tell me about it, I quite dislike the climb in build chroots... |
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| 11:06.13 | oxek | I am on debian-stable and my ca-certificates package is version 20190110. I see the repo buster-updates has version 20200601~deb10u1. I have buster-updates in my sources.list. Why do I not get offered an upgrade to the newer version? |
| 11:07.19 | oxek | apt policy for buster-updates is the default 500 |
| 11:07.19 | apt | okay, oxek |
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| 11:14.51 | oxek | !bat |
| 11:14.51 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 11:21.40 | oxek | this is the entire output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RS4MGqrKzn/ |
| 11:23.36 | themill | you have some wonky looking pinning there. There should be no need for any pinning with that sources.list |
| 11:24.13 | oxek | I haven't setup any pinning as far as I know |
| 11:24.23 | themill | Remove either the explicit pinning of stable or buster at 990, or remove the "default-release" config |
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| 11:25.11 | oxek | I do have APT::Default-Release "buster"; |
| 11:25.32 | themill | yeah, there's no need for that, and it's what is causing the problem here |
| 11:25.53 | oxek | I need it for doing my own backports of packages though |
| 11:26.06 | themill | you shouldn't |
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| 11:27.25 | oxek | I do backports by adding the deb-src repo for sid, and then downloading the sources and then 'apt -b source PACKAGE/sid' |
| 11:27.51 | oxek | but if I don't have the default release of buster, it downloads sid version of sources when I want stable version of sources |
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| 11:28.45 | oxek | and yes, removing APT::Default-Release "buster"; made ca-certificates upgrade appear, thanks |
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| 11:29.18 | Unit193 | 1. You can pin sid. 2. Can't you use `pull-debian-source` to grab the source instead? |
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| 11:30.51 | oxek | so the proper solution to my problem is to add deb-src repo for sid, use pinning to make it lower priority than stable, and get rid of APT::Default-Release "buster"; and never use that option again? |
| 11:33.36 | themill | I'm yet to see a situation where using default-release is actually the right thing, tbh. |
| 11:34.00 | themill | When it comes to source packages, I'd advise always being explicit about which release you want the source from (-t sid or -t buster) |
| 11:34.46 | oxek | I created /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00default-release based on some page on the debian wiki |
| 11:35.07 | Unit193 | /sid will do that, fwiw. Also allows downgrade when using it in the 'install' target. |
| 11:35.27 | oxek | and you're right, I will always explicitly state the target when downloading source packages, that's definitely a smart thing to do |
| 11:36.16 | bauen1 | oxek: the only page on the wiki refering to a `00default-release` is https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting?highlight=%2800default-release%29 and it specifically advises against it |
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| 11:36.49 | oxek | bauen1: I might have added the 00 myself |
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| 11:39.05 | bauen1 | oxek: is https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates the source of your 990 pin on buster ? |
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| 11:41.31 | oxek | bauen1: I did not spot that wiki page, had I known about it I would not have run into this problem |
| 11:41.32 | oxek | thank you |
| 11:41.39 | oxek | my problem has been conclusively solved |
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| 12:00.54 | kassle | hi, i'm building unattended debian using simple-cdd. in the preseed parts, is it possible to keep manual partitioning exist ? |
| 12:06.52 | nvz | maybe look into fai |
| 12:07.04 | nvz | !fai |
| 12:07.04 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:16.47 | kassle | @nvz thanks for the recommendation, but after i take a look at fai.me (their online builder), it seem also use simple-cdd. and the web-ui is way more limited function than using simple-cdd directly (cmiiw) |
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| 12:38.16 | oxek | I think I messed up |
| 12:38.21 | oxek | how do I reset /etc/ca-certificates.conf to default? |
| 12:38.48 | oxek | I tried 'apt --reinstall install ca-certificates' but the file is still a mess |
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| 12:39.05 | oxek | I tried deleting the file, and then reinstalling ca-certificates, and the file is still a mess (but looks different than before) |
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| 12:45.08 | n_1-c_k | oxek, 'dpkg --purge $pkg && apt-get install $pkg' should set it back to packaged defaults. Hopefully. |
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| 12:45.40 | dvs | oxek, it looks like /etc/ca-certificates.conf doesn't belong to any package. |
| 12:45.44 | kassle | @oxek, it's mentioned in the ca-certificates.conf header |
| 12:46.10 | kassle | blebleble ... This is autogenerated by dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates. ... blablabla |
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| 12:49.19 | oxek | n_1-c_k: can't do dpkg purge on ca-certificates, it is an important package |
| 12:50.05 | oxek | and I can't do apt install, because i use https repos (and the certs are now invalid). I could switch to http repos though. |
| 12:50.48 | abrotman | dpkg: confmiss |
| 12:50.48 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 12:50.49 | oxek | dvs: /etc/ca-certificates.conf is generated by the ca-certificate package. apt-file list ca-certificates would not show this file |
| 12:51.12 | abrotman | oxek: or, look at the postinst script, run the same steps |
| 12:51.17 | dvs | oxek, then kassle gave you the answer |
| 12:51.23 | oxek | kassle: unfortunately the header of the file is also messed up |
| 12:51.35 | oxek | I'll try your suggestion though |
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| 13:01.25 | oxek | all is good now, thanks |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | If we all used DANE, we wouldn't need that file! :) |
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| 13:02.40 | oxek | true, I really like DANE, but it does not look like it will gain greater adoption |
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| 13:03.08 | abrotman | it's gaining on the email side (along with MTA-STS) .. but be nice if the browsers would support it |
| 13:03.28 | oxek | to me, it makes so much sense that a domain owner would set a DNS record with the cert fingerprint they own, and use that as proof |
| 13:03.56 | oxek | btw, how can I see the postinst scripts of packages? |
| 13:04.03 | abrotman | in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 13:17.41 | discovered | I have two monitors. But the login screen going to second monitor. Where do i configure it so that i can type user/password in main monitor? |
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| 13:18.30 | nkuttler | discovered: which dm? |
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| 13:20.11 | discovered | nkuttler, GDM |
| 13:20.54 | nkuttler | discovered: do you use gnome? in the gnome session the monitors are aligned properly? |
| 13:22.02 | discovered | nkuttler, Yes... Using gnome. And everything working fine except the login screen. |
| 13:25.04 | nkuttler | discovered: try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#Setup_default_monitor_settings |
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| 13:28.38 | discovered | nkuttler, https://pastebin.com/ZWzAYjKJ this is the current configuration! Should I still edit? |
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| 13:40.16 | marcodiego | I compiled a lib (using meson/ninja) on my machine (buster derived distro) but was afraid of typing "ninja install" because it could break my system. Someone told me that I could just run "ninja install" and it would be installed on /usr/local/ and not overwrite the lib that was already installed through apt; I think that if I had any problem I could just "ninja uninstall" it and the system would use the previous version normally. I tried "ninja |
| 13:40.16 | marcodiego | install" and it worked nicely. Is that practice of user compiled libs living under /usr/local/ a standard? Does that means I can install recent or experimental libs on my system and if something breaks I can just "make uninstall" it? |
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| 13:41.39 | bauen1 | marcodiego: it's a standard, see the "Linux Filesystem Hierachy Standard" |
| 13:41.53 | bauen1 | marcodiego: but it's not as simple as `make install` and `make uninstall` |
| 13:42.25 | bauen1 | marcodiego: both are provided by the Makefile and there is no guarantee they are correct and it could be that uninstall misses files or that the uninstall target just doesn't exist |
| 13:43.18 | marcodiego | bauen1, hmmm... I generally check the presence of "make uninstall" before a make install |
| 13:43.58 | marcodiego | bauen1, anyway, considering it is a standard, I think I can hope must commonplace (say gtk) support it correctly, right? |
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| 13:46.23 | bauen1 | marcodiego: welcome to world of packaging |
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| 13:47.02 | bauen1 | marcodiego: usually projects respect the fhs and install e.g. their libraries to $(PREFIX)/lib |
| 13:47.20 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 13:47.45 | bauen1 | marcodiego: most projects will also support setting DESTDIR and PREFIX to configure where things will be installed |
| 13:48.02 | bauen1 | marcodiego: but not every project will default to installing to /usr/local so you probably need to set PREFIX |
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| 13:49.10 | marcodiego | bauen1, that's also what I was thinking of (generating) a .deb package. But that was nowhere near as easy as typing "ninja install". Of course it could have conflicts, but if it respects fhs, conflicts would not hurt apt-installed libs. Nevertheless, I could also specify a dir under my home dir and add it to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, right? |
| 13:49.22 | SanchoPensa | I was wondering, if you could help me with the following question: I am looking for an organizer, that helps me keep track of my day. |
| 13:49.22 | SanchoPensa | It should have a calendar with meetings to schedule, also some daily tasks, a general todo list, that persists beyond the scope of a day, and the real hit would be, if it could handle not only notes, but mind-maps. Any of you happen to know such an app? |
| 13:49.42 | bauen1 | marcodiego: yes and yes |
| 13:49.54 | bauen1 | marcodiego: but `make install` does not scale well |
| 13:50.04 | SanchoPensa | Oh, and I forgot: I need a sort of diary in addition to put daily reports in writing. |
| 13:50.25 | bauen1 | marcodiego: and at some point you need to remove some files installed by a project but without having access to the original source code |
| 13:50.46 | marcodiego | bauen1, please elaborate more. You say it eventually will have conflict with new versions of the same package, right? |
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| 13:51.51 | bauen1 | marcodiego: it probably won't "conflict" with apt installed packages and if you build your own stuff libraries in /usr/local/lib will be preferred |
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| 13:54.24 | marcodiego | bauen1, tried linux first time in 1999 and being using linux almost exclusively on my own machines since 2006 and always feared breaking my system with a "make install"... good to finally familiarize myself with this concept. Thanks! Should have know that since the day started compiling my own packages |
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| 13:55.02 | discovered | nkuttler, It did not work for me unfortunately! |
| 13:56.35 | oxek | the gcc-8-base package appears completely useless, would it be a good candidate for removal? |
| 13:56.47 | oxek | it's installed by default on all debian systems |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | oxek: it's probably a metapackage |
| 13:58.36 | abrotman | oxek: are you trying to free up space? |
| 13:58.39 | discovered | The grab is showing in primary monitor |
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| 14:01.13 | oxek | abrotman: it does not appear to be a metapackage. I am trying to eliminate useless packages (end goal is to eventually fit a working debian installation entirely into a CPU cache). |
| 14:01.52 | bauen1 | oxek: what debian version are you using ? |
| 14:02.00 | oxek | bauen1: buster |
| 14:02.16 | bauen1 | oxek: did you upgrade from a previous release ? |
| 14:02.22 | oxek | bauen1: no |
| 14:03.51 | bauen1 | oxek: it only has priority 'optional' and no direct dependencies (at least on a clean unstable install i believe) |
| 14:03.59 | bauen1 | oxek: so i'm not really sure why / where it was installed |
| 14:05.16 | Mokshamint20 | Hello. I ended up installing KDE minimal.. Only 300 MB total. @bauen1 :D |
| 14:05.20 | marcodiego | SanchoPensa, maybe "getting things gnome". Never used it but I think that is what you want |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell oxek about deborphan |
| 14:06.35 | Mokshamint20 | I have a problem.. My monitor has EDID issues.. I forced my resolution 1366x768 using Xrandr.. But it set it up as 1368x768 instead.. Fonts are blurry. :( |
| 14:07.24 | themill | oxek: there is zero chance of removing gcc-8-base from a buster system |
| 14:07.30 | SanchoPensa | marcodiego: thanks, hombre! *looking into it* |
| 14:08.06 | marcodiego | SanchoPensa, não por isso |
| 14:08.08 | Mokshamint20 | I have set the hinting, anti-aliasing, RGB, and DPI settings perfectly.. But thw weird font issue persists.. |
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| 14:12.52 | oxek | themill: what do you mean? I know this change would not happen for buster, but perhaps bullseye. |
| 14:14.33 | themill | machines will likely have have gcc-9-base and gcc-10-base kicking around on them in bullseye |
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| 14:22.42 | oxek | good point |
| 14:23.03 | oxek | but even those packages don't contain anything of value |
| 14:23.09 | oxek | https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/gcc-9-base/filelist |
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| 16:45.46 | oxek | why is it bad advice to set "alias sudo='sudo '"? |
| 16:46.32 | Wulf | oxek: why would anyone do that? |
| 16:47.12 | oxek | Wulf: because I have some aliases that I want to use with sudo |
| 16:47.32 | oxek | such as "alias rm='rm -v'" |
| 16:47.49 | oxek | it will not use the aliased version if I do "sudo rm" |
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| 16:49.08 | Wulf | but it will if you don't have the sudo alias?! |
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| 16:57.19 | oxek | if I don't have the sudo alias, then 'sudo rm' will act as 'sudo rm' and not as 'sudo rm -v' |
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| 16:57.58 | oxek | problem is that I was told it is not good to use "alias sudo='sudo '" and I don't understand why it is a bad idea |
| 16:59.26 | JPT | I feel that you're about to build something that will be very unintuitive to anyone who ever uses your shell. |
| 16:59.46 | JPT | If you type 'sudo rm', then sudo is your command and everything after that is an argument for sudo. |
| 16:59.47 | Boodie | Hi everyone: yesterday I tried to install cifs-utils using Aptitude. The package seems installed on the system, however in Aptitude (and not in Synaptic ...) there are packages with broken dependencies, how can I fix that? |
| 17:00.14 | JPT | Now you're building aliases that rewrite arguments instead of your base command. |
| 17:01.00 | JPT | I understand aliases that enhance a base command such as 'mv' -> 'mv -i' and so on, but i would take a lot of time to understand why 'sudo mv' became 'sudo mv -i' |
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| 17:03.16 | JPT | oxek: Maybe consider creating an alias like 'smv' -> 'sudo mv -i' or something. This way, it is more clear what's going on. |
| 17:03.28 | JPT | Or just proceed and do it. But don't complain when things fall apart. :) |
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| 17:13.22 | momoninja | hi |
| 17:13.40 | momoninja | I am running exim and getting unrouteable address as error message. |
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| 17:14.56 | momoninja | the exim channel said I should come here, since I am using a debian system |
| 17:15.20 | momoninja | exim is configured to deliver mails via smarthost and was configured via debconf |
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| 17:18.20 | Boodie | Hi: this is the list of packages allegedly broken in Aptitude (output of aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B | nc termbin.com 9999): https://termbin.com/yj8x |
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| 17:34.02 | oxek | JPT: I'm probably explaining it wrong. The only alias I am creating is "alias sudo='sudo '" Notice the space at the end. |
| 17:34.23 | oxek | do you have any aliases? If you do, try running them with sudo and you'll see the aliases no longer work. |
| 17:35.02 | JPT | I do not expect my aliases to work when i am not using them. Calling 'sudo' is something different to actually using an alias. |
| 17:35.28 | JPT | sudo is not a prefix, sudo is a grown-adult command |
| 17:35.32 | JPT | Just like vi or rm |
| 17:36.00 | oxek | ok, I'm just bad at explaining |
| 17:36.26 | JPT | You're creating a workaround so your aliases work even though you're actually using sudo and appending your command which still should get aliased. |
| 17:36.38 | JPT | This may work, but there can be situations, in which this may go wrong. |
| 17:36.58 | oxek | yes - I'm looking for explanation of situations where this goes wrong |
| 17:37.12 | oxek | because I can't think of any |
| 17:37.21 | oxek | but was told that there are some |
| 17:37.35 | JPT | I'm not too familiar with aliases, that's an issue on my end for this discussion. :/ |
| 17:38.21 | JPT | The thing is: I do not know the consequences, but i would not want aliases to unexpectedly change my sudo commands, because if i happen to have an alias that makes deleting folders easier, i don't want to accidentally trigger it with sudo |
| 17:39.00 | JPT | Also, i have no clue when the substitution will stop resolving aliases. Will it touch arguments in position 3+ when i use sudo in that scenario? |
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| 17:42.50 | JPT | oxek: How about this: You could use 'sudo -i' to become root and then either keep your aliases or define the same aliases for root. (Not sure about the exact setup, though) This way, you still get aliases with predictable behaviour and everyone understands what's going on. |
| 17:42.57 | oxek | 'help alias' says "A trailing space in VALUE causes the next word to be checked for alias substitution when the alias is expanded". So I guess it only expands an alias in first position by default, and on 2nd position too if the first alias ends with a space |
| 17:43.34 | JPT | Okay, that clears up the behaviour a bit. |
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| 17:44.31 | oxek | doing 'sudo -i' works, but is annoying when I am already doing something like "COMMAND | sudo tee /etc/..." |
| 17:44.41 | oxek | plus doing 'sudo -i' loses the logging ability of sudo |
| 17:44.56 | JPT | Ah, okay. Auditing goes out of the window in that case, that's true |
| 17:45.01 | oxek | and in my case, entering a sudo shell would make me more likely to do something I don't want to do |
| 17:45.23 | oxek | I prefer every command that needs to be exectuted as root to be done through sudo |
| 17:45.52 | JPT | That's a sane decision and i support your efforts to keep superuser privileges highly visible and obvious. |
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| 18:02.56 | nickotheus | I love Debian https://imgur.com/1cDooWR.png |
| 18:03.11 | n4dir | this might or might not be related, but any way it seems like a question for bash or whatever shell someone uses: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls?highlight=%28sudo%29#sudo_mycmd_.3E_.2Fmyfile |
| 18:03.16 | n4dir | oxek: |
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| 18:10.00 | oxek | n4dir: a useful site, thank you, and it would be a good addition to that site to cover aliasing of sudo, since I don't see it there |
| 18:10.35 | oxek | nickotheus: there's nothing debian specific about that setup |
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| 18:11.15 | n4dir | i sure got no idea. I don't use sudo. What else comes to my mind is "functions" (which are kinda like always recommended over aliases) and then "history completion " in inputrc, which kinda makes aliases for most used commands superfluos |
| 18:11.26 | oxek | nickotheus: the date/time at the mid-top makes it hard to read stuff |
| 18:11.35 | n4dir | i'd ask some people who are deep down in shell problems. |
| 18:12.31 | oxek | aliases have their uses, for very simple stuff |
| 18:12.37 | nickotheus | oxek, I could set it to auto hide but it's supposed to hide intelligently and this is as debian as you can get on a raspberry pi |
| 18:12.39 | oxek | alias tb='nc termbin.com 9999' |
| 18:13.05 | oxek | alias g='gvim --remote-silent' |
| 18:13.22 | oxek | functions or history searching would not help here |
| 18:13.44 | n4dir | why not? I would type n or nc, hit page up and the command would complete |
| 18:14.22 | oxek | n4dir: what about the case: COMMAND | tb ? |
| 18:14.36 | oxek | you could not autocomplete from history if you're already at that point in the line |
| 18:15.43 | oxek | aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:16.35 | oxek | I guess you'd need to use zsh and use a special plugin to autocomplete per pipe |
| 18:16.49 | n4dir | so if you type "aptitude search '.*' | grep ^.B it bugs you a lot having to type another 15 chars? |
| 18:16.58 | oxek | yes |
| 18:17.03 | n4dir | good. |
| 18:17.24 | oxek | especially because I don't remember the URLs, the port numbers, etc. |
| 18:17.38 | n4dir | and pastebinit sucks? |
| 18:18.46 | oxek | it's just an example of an alias I use |
| 18:18.52 | oxek | I have many more |
| 18:19.19 | n4dir | i see. and for none of them history alternate page-up works and functions don't work either. |
| 18:19.59 | n4dir | anyway: might wanna ask in the according channels what might be the problem with alias and sudo, if you insist on using it. |
| 18:21.27 | oxek | I am not gonna write a function to make cp be verbose by default, when I can just do alias cp='cp -v' |
| 18:21.43 | oxek | I don't know what 'history alternate page-up' is. Sounds interesting though. |
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| 18:22.54 | n4dir | exactly what i said. You type the beginning of a command from history, then hit page up and it will complete from the commands which started with the same chars in history |
| 18:23.26 | n4dir | so i for one got no need for aliases. |
| 18:23.35 | jasonsmr | hello debian channel |
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| 18:24.24 | jasonsmr | is NetworkManager only GUI based or can it be used and controlled exclusively from command line? |
| 18:24.33 | n4dir | what i do often is in my history, what i don't do often i got no need for an alias |
| 18:24.44 | another | nmcli, nmtui |
| 18:24.51 | dvs | jasonsmr, it can be controller from the command line |
| 18:24.53 | jasonsmr | I installed debian 10 server on vm and none of the networking is configured |
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| 18:26.00 | jasonsmr | tried to write manually in /etc/network/interfaces and start manually ifup but it only brings up the interface with default hw ipv6 local none of the ipv4 address infor that I specified |
| 18:26.29 | AfterDarkness | hi question regarding dns and lxc; after starting lxc-net; how can i access guests from their hostname |
| 18:26.42 | jasonsmr | I was installing from dvd so no network yet/ |
| 18:27.03 | AfterDarkness | i tried nslookup with server 10.0.3.1, it worked but not sure what the next step |
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| 18:29.05 | oxek | n4dir: doesn't work for me. Probably because I use fzf and vi-mode keybindings. |
| 18:29.25 | dvs | jasonsmr, if your interface is in the interfaces file then NetworkManager won't touch it. |
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| 18:31.00 | jasonsmr | yea its still not bringing up the static specified in the interface thou |
| 18:32.00 | dvs | jasonsmr, are you tring to configure a wireless interface? |
| 18:32.32 | jasonsmr | its in a vm so its names enp0s3 |
| 18:33.06 | jasonsmr | its bridging to existing wireless, though I think its concidered ethernet interface in the vm |
| 18:35.42 | another | something, something wireless can't be easily bridged? |
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| 18:37.31 | jasonsmr | im not sure every other vm seems to have no problem, including the installer for debian it finds and configures it correctly but upon install its a no go? |
| 18:37.45 | jasonsmr | strange right |
| 18:39.01 | dvs | it's strange that the installer could use the NIC but on the first system boot the NIC is not configured properly. |
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| 18:40.59 | another | does the installer write a interfaces file? |
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| 18:41.37 | jasonsmr | looks like it required a restart iface is showing a valid ipv4 now just need to config dns server |
| 18:41.48 | dvs | another, it does. At a minimum it adds the lo interface |
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| 18:44.30 | another | hmm |
| 18:44.44 | another | haven't used the installer in ages |
| 18:45.02 | jasonsmr | configured resolv.conf everything works |
| 18:46.49 | dvs | removes the router |
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| 18:59.57 | technobi | Hello All, any plans to add dqlite to debian? https://dqlite.io/ |
| 19:00.22 | sney | check wnpp |
| 19:02.19 | technobi | the search is silnet... how could I support adding it / contribute to it? It's developed by canonical High-Availability sqlite. The package is made for ubuntu ... compilation from sources suceeded... but I dunno how to support debian by adding it / submitting the idea etc. |
| 19:02.34 | sney | !wnpp |
| 19:02.34 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 19:03.22 | sney | #debian is a support channel mostly, and people here aren't in charge of adding packages / generally not developers or maintainers at all. that link will give you better information than we can. |
| 19:03.29 | technobi | Thank You very much |
| 19:03.37 | technobi | Sorry if I asked in the wrong place |
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| 19:03.42 | technobi | Thanks for direction |
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| 19:28.27 | nickotheus | can someone recommend a WYSIWYG html editor that is in the debian repos since Komposer is no more? |
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| 19:40.20 | hitest | Seamonkey come with an html editor. I'm not sure if that's available in the repos. |
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| 19:52.15 | alexrelis[m] | I know this is a support channel, but I just wanted to say happy birthday to Debian--the best operating system of all time. |
| 19:52.30 | sney | birthday? |
| 19:55.17 | alexrelis[m] | sney: https://bits.debian.org/2020/08/debian-turns-27.html |
| 19:55.47 | sney | cool. |
| 19:56.28 | nickotheus | hitest, seamonkey isn't available |
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| 19:58.44 | sney | "wysiwyg html editor" is a relic that I didn't think I would ever see again. there are, at least, regular html editors (really just general coding IDEs) that will launch you a browser to preview the code that you wrote, but I think the Dreamweaver analogs are all dead |
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| 20:04.33 | nickotheus | https://termbin.com/f45a |
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| 20:16.14 | jhutchins | !seamonkey |
| 20:16.14 | dpkg | SeaMonkey is a cross-platform Internet suite, a continuation of the unmaintained Mozilla Application Suite, based on the same source code. Formerly packaged for Debian as <iceape>. For help with upstream issues, ask #seamonkey on irc.mozilla.org. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ |
| 20:16.37 | jhutchins | ,v seamonkey |
| 20:16.38 | judd | No package named 'seamonkey' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:16.51 | jhutchins | ,v iceape |
| 20:16.53 | judd | No package named 'iceape' was found in amd64. |
| 20:17.16 | sney | ,file bin/iceape |
| 20:17.19 | jhutchins | There's a way to ask why it was dropped, but I can never get the syntax. |
| 20:17.20 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:17.45 | hitest | yeah, one will likely need to install seamonkey by downloading a package from the seamonkey site I'm guessing. |
| 20:17.58 | sney | #732314 |
| 20:17.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/732314 in release.debian.org (closed, wheezy): «RM: iceape -- RoST; no longer security-supported»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-12-16; last modified: 2014-03-09. |
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| 20:18.12 | hitest | yep |
| 20:18.40 | jhutchins | It's still under development. |
| 20:19.49 | hitest | https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ |
| 20:21.16 | beelzebuzz | ,v bluefish |
| 20:21.17 | judd | Package: bluefish on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.6-2; stretch: 2.2.9-1+b1; buster: 2.2.10-1; bullseye: 2.2.11+svn-r8872-3; sid: 2.2.11+svn-r8872-3 |
| 20:23.26 | jhutchins | beelzebuzz: That's an HTML editor, isn't it? |
| 20:23.42 | jhutchins | I liked the one that was integrated in KDE 3.5. |
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| 20:23.45 | beelzebuzz | yes. the only one i can remember the name of |
| 20:24.15 | jhutchins | For some reason a lot of the editor projects fell apart. |
| 20:24.33 | beelzebuzz | people use text editors mostly |
| 20:24.59 | jhutchins | Yeah, I use vi. |
| 20:25.10 | hitest | same |
| 20:25.56 | beelzebuzz | sney isn't kidding about the wysiwig stuff being dead. can't even remember the last time i saw one |
| 20:25.59 | jhutchins | Then again, I strictly HTML, never even got into css let alone java. |
| 20:26.36 | beelzebuzz | yeah i wouldn't bother with an html editor then |
| 20:26.58 | jhutchins | The ability to toggle between text for editing and rendered preview to check for errors was nice. |
| 20:27.04 | sney | I can't remember the last time I edited html with something other than nano |
| 20:27.11 | beelzebuzz | hehe |
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| 22:32.14 | jasonsmr | hello debian channel |
| 22:32.26 | jasonsmr | anyone know about package openthreads? |
| 22:33.16 | jasonsmr | looks like it installs lib fine, but a package that I am compiling is looking for actual include directory for files and its not finding them |
| 22:33.35 | jasonsmr | package im compileing is osgcal |
| 22:33.35 | sney | ,i openthreads |
| 22:33.37 | judd | No package named 'openthreads' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 22:33.47 | sney | gonna have to be more specific, bud. |
| 22:34.34 | dvs | ,v libopenthreads-dev |
| 22:34.35 | judd | Package: libopenthreads-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.1-6; stretch: 3.2.3+dfsg1-2+b4; buster: 3.2.3+dfsg1-3; bullseye: 3.6.5+dfsg1-4+b1; sid: 3.6.5+dfsg1-4+b1 |
| 22:35.14 | jasonsmr | yes that package sorry it has a libopenthreads |
| 22:35.27 | jasonsmr | and libopenthreads-dev |
| 22:36.20 | jasonsmr | there used to be a osgcal package in edge but not buster |
| 22:37.09 | dvs | jasonsmr, the header files are in the /usr/include/OpenThreads directories |
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| 22:39.52 | jasonsmr | okey I see them |
| 22:40.20 | jasonsmr | so should it look like this? |
| 22:40.23 | jasonsmr | OPEN_THREADS_INCLUDE_DIR:PATH=/usr/include/OpenThreads |
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| 22:41.02 | jasonsmr | or just /usr/include , BTW nether seems to find it maybe I should clean it and start over? |
| 22:42.20 | dvs | jasonsmr, it depends how it's specified in the source files |
| 22:42.47 | dvs | in the #include statements |
| 22:44.34 | jasonsmr | im on a step #1 cmake . right now |
| 22:45.08 | jasonsmr | apparently I can edit the CMakeCache.txt and edit paths |
| 22:45.40 | jasonsmr | at least that what it says at the top in the CMakeCache.txt header |
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| 23:00.11 | jasonsmr | could it be that the version of OpenThreads is too new to be found correctly by osgcal I wonder |
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