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| 00:26.41 | happygilmoregent | this may be a stupid question but can you install debianunstable for just one pkg |
| 00:27.18 | sney | nope |
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| 00:27.57 | sney | you can rebuild some unstable packages for stable. some may already exist as backports. but otherwise, the dependencies are completely different and you can break your system this way. |
| 00:29.17 | happygilmoregent | I just want the most up-to-date firefox because chromium and chrome are ram hogs |
| 00:30.44 | sney | firefox from sid would pull in a bunch of other dependencies from sid and create problems for you. if firefox-esr in buster isn't good enough, then you can always download the self-contained tarball from mozilla.org |
| 00:31.33 | sney | the firefox in sid can also be used on debian *testing* but not on stable. testing is a moving target and may or may not be appropriate for your situation. |
| 00:31.52 | happygilmoregent | ok I have stable buster |
| 00:31.57 | happygilmoregent | thanks for your help |
| 00:32.07 | sney | np |
| 00:32.08 | ozfalcon | While sid is a runaway train |
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| 00:33.21 | ozfalcon | Speaking of backports, I need glibc 2.29+ on stable but it's not in backports - How would I get it on stable? |
| 00:34.26 | sney | glibc is too fundamental to upgrade without upgrading everything else. upgrade to testing or run a testing vm |
| 00:35.23 | themill | there should also be no need to upgrade glibc given its excellent API stability |
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| 00:37.39 | ozfalcon | sney, That would be nice, But moving said machine to testing is not an option. |
| 00:38.46 | sney | then look at themill's comment. what makes you think it needs to be upgraded? |
| 00:38.57 | ozfalcon | themill, Program won't run without it. It has glibc 2.28 installed (stable) but reports /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.29' not found |
| 00:39.38 | themill | that says that you've installed things not compiled for buster |
| 00:39.53 | ozfalcon | The only other option is to try compiling the program on stable. |
| 00:40.08 | ozfalcon | Correct. It was compiled on testing but run on stable. |
| 00:40.11 | themill | s/The only other option/The correct approach/ |
| 00:42.00 | ozfalcon | I could run a stable vm on testing and compile that way. How do you go about setting up a vm? |
| 00:43.36 | sney | if you're just compiling a package you can use sbuild or cowbuilder etc. one-off general purpose vms are also easy to set up with virt-manager |
| 00:44.46 | ozfalcon | What do sbuild & cowbuilder do? |
| 00:44.51 | sney | !sbuild |
| 00:44.51 | dpkg | methinks sbuild is The 'sbuild' package provides a way to build Debian packages within <chroot> environments that are managed using the <schroot> utility. Building within sbuild saves installing the build-dependencies on your machine and also compiles in a clean environment; sbuild is used on the Debian <buildd> network. See https://wiki.debian.org/sbuild. An alternative to sbuild is <pbuilder>. |
| 00:46.29 | themill | These are tools that make it easier to build in a clean environment and to blow away all the dev tools that you had to install to do the compilation -- basically, compiling in chroots. |
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| 00:47.04 | themill | They also mean that you can compile for a different release (even a different distribution) |
| 00:47.36 | themill | different architectures too... just slowly. |
| 00:47.44 | sney | they're more useful if you're already certain that the package is going to build, so if you think you might need to tinker with patches etc it might make more sense to build in a full vm. good options to know about though. |
| 00:48.48 | themill | I think I have each of {jessie,stretch,buster,bullseye,sid,sid+exp}-{i386,amd64,armhf,armel} chroots sitting here that I use for various reasons |
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| 01:25.08 | yanmaani | How come debian doesn't do delta patching for updates? |
| 01:25.27 | yanmaani | If I have version X of a package and want version Y, odds are I have version X' deb in my cache |
| 01:25.29 | themill | because it's not as easy as it seems |
| 01:25.55 | themill | also, you probably don't have the old deb in your cache |
| 01:26.16 | yanmaani | themill: Don't I have the now-current deb in my cache? |
| 01:27.06 | yanmaani | There's a bunch of packages in /var/cache/apt/archives. And making patches can be deterministic |
| 01:27.14 | sney | apt deletes packages from the cache after installing them. if you're still using apt-get though, it doesn't, and you would have to remove them manually with apt-get clean |
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| 01:30.18 | ryouma | what do you mean by making patches can be deterministic |
| 01:30.55 | themill | yanmaani: most people would not have the .debs in /var/cache/apt |
| 01:34.22 | themill | It's possible to do it without the .debs, but then you've got to make a new trust route for the deltas. You've also got to have these deltas ready to go for lots of possible pairs of upgrades, and that gets out of hand pretty fast |
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| 01:35.35 | warsoul | how can i install bitchX on debian |
| 01:35.44 | sney | ,v bitchx |
| 01:35.45 | judd | No package named 'bitchx' was found in amd64. |
| 01:35.49 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.50 | dpkg | i guess bitchx is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues, and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <hexchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
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| 01:37.30 | ary | hello all |
| 01:37.40 | ary | have a problem |
| 01:37.57 | sney | !what |
| 01:37.57 | dpkg | What package are you having trouble with? What did you do? What happened? What did you expect to happen? |
| 01:37.58 | ary | Before, in old versions of GNU / Linux, including Debian in some versions in the boot after starting the kernel, the processes that were starting responded with a [OK green or a [FAILED red, I don't find how to do so that when starting it remains pro default that shows what I am saying, there is no configuration file that configures such thing |
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| 01:38.49 | ary | i am using google.translator |
| 01:39.36 | sponix | warsoul: if you care dead set on BitchX ( I just love the name ) - It can be built from source. But as stated prior, it is dated, and has security holes |
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| 01:40.24 | ryouma | ary: there used to be a bootlogd or so that would show you boot information. but i think it code-rotted. |
| 01:40.40 | ryouma | ime |
| 01:40.56 | sney | I was surprised to see "2019" in the last-changed column, and it uses autoconf, so that should be pretty straightforward to build and install: https://sourceforge.net/p/bitchx/git/ci/master/tree/ |
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| 01:42.56 | warsoul | sponix |
| 01:43.03 | warsoul | just deleted lol |
| 01:43.09 | warsoul | i download the tar.gz |
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| 01:47.32 | ary | ryoma, I don't want to check a log, I want to see the start of services when booting |
| 01:49.25 | yanmaani | themill: You can do it O(log N) |
| 01:51.34 | ary | sney, hi |
| 01:51.56 | sney | ary: don't ping random people |
| 01:51.59 | ary | yanmaani, you say to me? |
| 01:52.36 | sney | it sounds like you want this? I don't know how to make systemd do it, but there's probably something in the manual somewhere. https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/images/screenshot1_17.png |
| 01:53.00 | ary | sney, I am not doing such a thing |
| 01:53.22 | yanmaani | If you give each update an sequential integer number, and you want to go from 42 to 75, then you can go 42 -> 44 -> 48 -> 64 -> 72 -> 74 -> 75. Like a hub-and-spoke-model, but with the binary |
| 01:54.01 | yanmaani | but yeah, otherwise you'd need for it to recreate the deb file from the OS |
| 01:54.21 | yanmaani | which seems difficult and hairy since the compression is nondeterministic |
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| 01:55.06 | yanmaani | ary: I think it's a kernel option that you set in grub? |
| 01:55.13 | yanmaani | quiet, splash, something like that |
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| 01:55.35 | yanmaani | Are .deb files made in a reproducible way? It'd make it faster to download updates primarily |
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| 01:56.30 | ary | It seemed to me that it was in the grub, I'm going to check that |
| 01:57.37 | nvz | the bootup proceedure you speak of, is the default behavior |
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| 02:10.48 | ary | dont work :( |
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| 02:12.21 | sney | !es |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. - debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org |
| 02:12.25 | castleguard | I feel a little silly but one of my tty cursors (I use terminal only) stopped blinking and I'd like to start it up again without rebooting if possible - the rest of the terminals are blinkking away happily |
| 02:12.57 | sney | castleguard: sometimes running 'reset' will fix a terminal in a weird state |
| 02:14.26 | castleguard | sney: Thanks very much - lovely. :) |
| 02:14.31 | castleguard | Worked like a charm. |
| 02:14.38 | ary | dpkg, lo que pasa es que en ese canal que mencionas hay muchisimas menos personas dentro para poder ayudar a los de habla hispana |
| 02:14.38 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ary |
| 02:14.53 | sney | ary: prueba leiendo, sheesh |
| 02:15.15 | castleguard | ary: hispana habla de las a ayudar poder |
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| 02:16.17 | ary | sheesh? |
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| 05:22.28 | wrksx | mornin |
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| 05:23.00 | wrksx | I've seen two things recomended to chroot in a bootbroken system from a rescue system |
| 05:23.11 | wrksx | mount -t proc none /target/proc |
| 05:23.25 | wrksx | or |
| 05:23.29 | wrksx | mount -t proc /proc /mnt/target/proc |
| 05:24.11 | wrksx | I don't know much about /proc so I have no idea what's the effect... Would you recommend one over the other? |
| 05:25.00 | ryouma | i am not familiar with mounting none |
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| 05:25.29 | wrksx | it's recommended in the !fixmbr thingy |
| 05:25.32 | wrksx | !fixmbr |
| 05:25.32 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 05:25.59 | ryouma | " The proc filesystem is not associated with a special device, and when mounting it, an arbitrary keyword, such as proc can be used instead of a device specification. (The customary choice none is less fortunate: the error message `none busy' from umount can be confusing.)" |
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| 05:27.02 | ryouma | so either is ok, but for clarity i would do second. /proc should be created at the root of the chroot. so the target should be wahtegver achieves that. |
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| 05:27.14 | wrksx | so if I get this right "mount -t proc <anything> /target/proc" is fine |
| 05:27.33 | ryouma | perhaps so :) |
| 05:27.40 | wrksx | ryouma: makes sense, thanks for the help |
| 05:27.45 | ryouma | yw |
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| 05:28.10 | ryouma | at least one distro has a command to do all that for you. you might consider a shell function, as i do. |
| 05:28.29 | wrksx | ryouma: what about /run? Do you think I should mount it too |
| 05:28.33 | ryouma | (assuming you have access to your scripts which you might not |
| 05:28.58 | wrksx | I'm writing that script right now. But I'm probably not goin to use it much |
| 05:29.21 | ryouma | traditionally dev proc and sys. i am no expert but if somebody chimes in and says run too i will be surprised. |
| 05:30.21 | wrksx | ryouma: I'll be conservative and stick to the tradition. the !fixmbr message from dpkg don't mention it either |
| 05:31.17 | ryouma | depending on your goal you might want --make-rslave for dev. it gets slightly complex. but i use that for my purposes. |
| 05:31.43 | ryouma | i /think/ you don't need it for proc and sys, but here i hope somebody chimes in |
| 05:31.50 | wrksx | I just want to fix my messed up boot sequence |
| 05:32.01 | wrksx | so trying that !fixmbr thing |
| 05:32.18 | ryouma | sounds good |
| 05:32.39 | ryouma | you might want to just read about rslave just in case though |
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| 05:33.04 | wrksx | ryouma: will do right now ty |
| 05:34.38 | ryouma | i wish booting (such as initramfs) were less complex in debian, but it tries to support a lot of capability |
| 05:35.28 | wrksx | ryouma: I wish I have a nice ressource to learn booting from. I dunno what to read to understand it all. |
| 05:35.29 | ryouma | fixing a broken boot sequence should not be something that makes you feel like a police car's lights just went on in your rear view mirror |
| 05:35.37 | wrksx | haha |
| 05:36.05 | ryouma | it's sort of terrifying |
| 05:36.24 | wrksx | The issue is i'll have to trust the !fixmbr fact, because it's not clear what grub is goi to do on my system |
| 05:36.43 | ryouma | and you have to remember a lot of stuff offline without any access to your computer to find out what to do. and you don't have a complete set of error messages. and so on. |
| 05:38.11 | ryouma | also the accessibility is terrible with small fonts and terminal emulation brokenness and so on |
| 05:38.43 | ryouma | and you get these prompts (grub, systemd, busybox) that are like, "what amd i supposed to do here?" |
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| 05:52.25 | wrksx | still not booting |
| 05:52.28 | wrksx | wth |
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| 06:00.32 | sunyibo | how can I install debian via SSH on a system booted with a live debian? |
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| 06:02.55 | towo^work | sunyibo, with debootstrap for example |
| 06:03.47 | sunyibo | thanks |
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| 06:15.27 | wrksx | So here is what happened to me: Install new kernel (triggered grub update), no reboot, install new firware-bnx2 (triggered grub update), reboot -> fail to boot no error message, just hangs |
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| 06:16.18 | wrksx | I tried to follow indications from the !fixmbr fact, but the same issue is still happening |
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| 06:27.56 | diogenes_ | wrksx, tried the previous kernel? |
| 06:28.32 | wrksx | diogenes_: yes as well as recovery mode. |
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| 06:29.07 | wrksx | I used DEFAULT=2 or some like that in the /etc/default/grub config file, then update-grub, then reboot |
| 06:29.53 | wrksx | Thing is thanks to IDRAC I can see the output through a virtual console, and it just hangs with no error or message |
| 06:30.17 | diogenes_ | wrksx, then undo the changes you've done prior to the issue. |
| 06:30.47 | wrksx | diogenes_: what do you mean, like unistalling the kernel and firmware packages? |
| 06:31.49 | diogenes_ | wrksx, yes. |
| 06:32.14 | wrksx | goin to give that a try |
| 06:34.49 | wrksx | diogenes_: do you think apt remove linux-image-xxx is ok to uninstall the last kernel? |
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| 06:36.13 | diogenes_ | wrksx, but wait what kernel version is that? |
| 06:37.33 | wrksx | linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64 |
| 06:39.00 | wrksx | diogenes_: is that what you asked for? |
| 06:39.30 | diogenes_ | what? my system is up-to-date and my kernel is 4.19.0-10-amd64. |
| 06:40.07 | diogenes_ | where did you get 4.9.0-12-amd64 from? |
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| 06:40.44 | Abrax | major split |
| 06:40.44 | wrksx | diogenes_: unatended upgrades did it |
| 06:40.49 | wrksx | Allowed origins are: ['origin=Debian,codename=stretch,label=Debian-Security'] |
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| 06:42.41 | diogenes_ | wrksx, stretch? cat /etc/os-release |
| 06:43.00 | wrksx | yes debian 9 stretch |
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| 06:43.48 | wrksx | actually the kernel didn't even change |
| 06:43.50 | wrksx | Unpacking linux-headers-4.9.0-12-common (4.9.210-1+deb9u1) over (4.9.210-1) ... |
| 06:44.34 | wrksx | I think I'll just swallow it and fully reinstall the system |
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| 06:44.39 | diogenes_ | why is he always forgetting to ask about Debian version first |
| 06:44.53 | wrksx | haha yeah |
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| 06:45.34 | wrksx | I would love boot process to be more verbose, and by default |
| 06:45.41 | diogenes_ | remove the newest kernel and firmware and see what happens. |
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| 06:47.16 | wrksx | diogenes_: lol apt wants to instal 4.9.0-13 now |
| 06:47.33 | diogenes_ | yes allow |
| 06:47.50 | wrksx | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/bnx2/bnx2-rv2p-09ax-6.0.17.fw for module bnx2 |
| 06:47.53 | wrksx | expected |
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| 06:48.26 | wrksx | Let's reboot with that we'll see |
| 06:48.36 | diogenes_ | yes |
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| 06:50.01 | wrksx | diogenes_: seems to do the same thing, hangs at "Booting from local disk" |
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| 06:51.00 | wrksx | diogenes_: forgot to restore grub conf |
| 06:51.21 | wrksx | this thing is driving me crazy |
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| 06:52.47 | diogenes_ | wrksx, the only saint iGNUssius knows what else has been broken on your system which is not even supported anymore.eol 2020-07-06 |
| 06:53.07 | wrksx | haha |
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| 06:53.37 | wrksx | diogenes_: I don't expect debian system to break in the next month following EOL |
| 06:53.41 | wrksx | =) |
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| 06:54.25 | wrksx | A nothing was broken on the system. Couples unattended upgrades broke it |
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| 06:57.30 | fireba11 | still not a good idea to keep using old-oldstable if you can help it |
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| 07:00.56 | wrksx | fireba11: sure I'll reinstall using debian 10 this time |
| 07:01.04 | wrksx | good timing |
| 07:01.05 | wrksx | =) |
| 07:01.30 | wrksx | tries to be positive about it |
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| 07:15.32 | sunyibo | is it possible to launch the cli debian installer via ssh on a system booted with a live usb, in order to install a system to the hard drive? |
| 07:18.09 | ratrace | sunyibo: dunno about the installer, but you can always use debootstrap. that's how I install it remotely anyway. |
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| 07:21.01 | sunyibo | thanks, I was trying to get access to the usual install window that I'm used to. But I guess I'll have to debootstrap |
| 07:21.52 | ratrace | sunyibo: I don't think the installer ISO has ssh capabilities by default, at least that wasn't the case in the past so you had to build your own iso |
| 07:23.34 | sunyibo | I saw something where you can boot the installer and then finish off with ssh. But I'll try debootstrap |
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| 07:23.59 | darsie | How do I do 'echo disable >/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe08' as kernel parameter at boot? |
| 07:25.22 | jelly | you might use the sysfsutils package and put it in /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 07:25.46 | darsie | ok, but that won't happen that early. |
| 07:25.46 | jelly | firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe08 = disable |
| 07:26.04 | darsie | Or will it? |
| 07:26.25 | jelly | I consider "at boot" everything that happens before you can log in |
| 07:27.01 | jelly | if you need it earlier than some specific service or thing happening, say so |
| 07:27.57 | jelly | sysfsutils has an init script that runs at reboot time |
| 07:28.03 | darsie | Well, I asked for a kernel parameter specified for grub or so. |
| 07:28.04 | jelly | er, after reboot |
| 07:28.22 | darsie | umm, that's what I wanted to ask. |
| 07:28.25 | jelly | oh, missed that |
| 07:28.58 | jelly | I don't know if sysfs tunables can be specified as kernel boot params in general |
| 07:29.13 | jelly | it might not exist at all until some driver is loaded |
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| 07:29.26 | darsie | Cause I'm getting these CPU stalls during boot: https://imgur.com/a/VhtXbGr |
| 07:29.41 | darsie | Dunno if that's related to this IRQ storm. |
| 07:29.58 | darsie | This delays boot significantly. |
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| 07:31.47 | darsie | Or, it would be best to find out what causes the CPU storm. |
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| 07:32.25 | darsie | IRQ* |
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| 07:35.13 | darsie | jelly: Is sysctl.conf good here, too? |
| 07:35.53 | darsie | I see stuff like #net.ipv4.conf.all.rp_filter=1 there. |
| 07:35.56 | jelly | no |
| 07:35.59 | darsie | ok |
| 07:36.08 | jelly | those are under /proc/sys |
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| 07:36.47 | jelly | I'd see if acpi had any kernel boot params. |
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| 07:39.23 | jelly | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.19/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html |
| 07:40.05 | darsie | acpi_mask_gpe |
| 07:40.39 | darsie | acpi_mask_gpe=08 ? |
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| 07:41.07 | darsie | Or just acpi_mask_gpe=8 ? |
| 07:42.17 | jelly | a "mask" usually means a binary bitmap, 08 might be 8th bit so 0x100, but I'm really guessing |
| 07:42.47 | darsie | mhm |
| 07:43.27 | Haohmaru | hopefully it's not octal representation x_x |
| 07:44.15 | jelly | says "int" |
| 07:45.15 | jelly | you can represent it. 256 or 0x100 or 0400 assuming my guess is correct |
| 07:47.50 | darsie | Due to this bug, it may be necessary to disable GPE06 by adding acpi_mask_gpe=0x06 as a kernel boot parameter. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBookPro11,x |
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| 07:53.38 | darsie | Where would I put acpi_mask_gpe=0x06 in grub? |
| 07:54.02 | darsie | reminds darsie to use 08. |
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| 08:01.49 | ratrace | darsie: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub as persistent option. don't forget to `update-grub` after changing that file |
| 08:02.04 | darsie | thx |
| 08:02.49 | ratrace | or test one time via grub menu, hit E to edit current grub option, scroll down to the line starting with "linux /vmlinuz...." and add that to the end, hit F10 to continue booting |
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| 09:04.30 | SASDOE | Hi all, I am struggling to get a displaylink screen to work on my computer. have installed https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/displaylink-debian this thing, and can see 5 providers in the xrandr output but it does not seem to pickup the connected screen |
| 09:06.55 | SASDOE | anyone have anyluck with this? |
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| 09:14.39 | darsie | jelly, ratrace: Yay, looks like no more cpu stall during boot :). thx |
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| 10:07.40 | alexises | hello, I'm ennoyed with preseed file with debian buster |
| 10:08.00 | ratrace | you're what? |
| 10:08.28 | alexises | the option debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated boolean don't work anymore |
| 10:09.13 | alexises | so I'm in a pain with gpg key from the base repository |
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| 10:10.50 | alexises | I can't proceed due to the lack of gpg key, and preseed don't provides an option to set the correct key for the main repository |
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| 10:26.29 | jelly | alexises, why do you need allow_unauthenticated at all? |
| 10:27.06 | jelly | a normal debian mirror will be signed correctly |
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| 10:29.38 | alexises | jelly: because I'm on a corporate env |
| 10:29.49 | alexises | and so, I'm not using the public repo |
| 10:29.55 | alexises | the one synced with aptly |
| 10:30.21 | alexises | so I need to provides the correct key (that naturally I have) |
| 10:32.48 | genr8_ | corporate knows best right. enjoy your fate. |
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| 10:36.59 | alexises | genr8_: right I don't know |
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| 10:39.31 | genr8_ | i dont know either, but it looks like youll just have to get corporate to fork debian-installer. maybe apt too. its a required safety measure and benefits getting ahead for when you will have to fork entire debian later because of another corporate mandate decision. its for the good of the corporation after all. self sufficiency. dont trust external anything. |
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| 11:20.32 | jelly | the easiest way for you would be if they provided a local 1:1 debian mirror created with ftpsync |
| 11:21.03 | jelly | that's what we do. It also pretends to be a public mirror. |
| 11:21.53 | jelly | there's probably a way to provide additional apt keys for the installer but I don't know how it works |
| 11:22.28 | jelly | alexises, try asking in #debian on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) as well, that's the more official official channel |
| 11:23.10 | jelly | this one is unoffical official, most #debian* channels moved to OFTC 15 years ago |
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| 11:28.06 | nurupo | anyone else experiencing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/* scripts hanging when upgrading to linux-image-5.7.0-2-amd64 on testing? |
| 11:29.06 | nurupo | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools took 5(!) minutes to complete |
| 11:29.58 | alexises | jelly: you could do it for custom repo but I don't see anuthing for base one ;) |
| 11:30.23 | alexises | I'm currently try someting according to what I read on the source code of debian-installer :D |
| 11:31.51 | nurupo | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub has been running for 20 minutes and is still not done |
| 11:31.52 | nurupo | tried killing it and re-running with `dpkg --configure --pending` - it still takes forever |
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| 11:33.11 | nurupo | huh |
| 11:33.32 | jelly | alexises, how are you booting d-i? from iso? |
| 11:33.48 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:33.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 11:33.52 | jelly | nurupo, ^^ |
| 11:34.05 | nurupo | ejected an empty sdcard reader adapter thingy - that fixed grub-update immediately |
| 11:34.51 | nurupo | i guess linux has thought the sd card was still in there or something |
| 11:35.40 | nurupo | jelly: yeah, i know |
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| 11:36.12 | nurupo | too lazy to setup yet another irc network on my bouncer |
| 11:38.31 | nurupo | anyway, my issue is fixed \o/ |
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| 11:59.46 | alexises | jelly: yep from iso ;) |
| 12:00.24 | alexises | ok, definitively this hint la not work ! https://github.com/aptly-dev/aptly/issues/781 |
| 12:03.02 | alexises | I'm really impressed on how fiew places to execute scripts could be done |
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| 12:07.38 | jelly | alexises, because apparently there's a /usr/share/keyrings in initrd there containing keys that are presumably used by debootstrap step |
| 12:07.54 | jelly | which in turn means you'd need to use a customized d-i |
| 12:08.40 | jelly | or very carefully put some file there right after d-i is booted, but before debootstrap runs, like https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97520/how-do-i-add-custom-gpg-key-to-ubuntu-debian-installer |
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| 12:30.27 | n-st | hi, is there a way to receive the same advisories as via debian-security-announce, but only for the packages that are actually installed on my system? |
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| 12:46.19 | wrksx | Ok |
| 12:46.31 | wrksx | in the end my system or boot wasn't broken |
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| 12:46.52 | wrksx | that's why I couldn't fix it |
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| 13:00.11 | alexises | jelly: I will check very carefully your link but really thanks for help |
| 13:00.37 | jelly | it's just a random stackoverflow result, do not take too seriously |
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| 13:01.12 | alexises | I have spend a whole day on this shit :D and the day before :D |
| 13:01.27 | alexises | so, I try not overlook anything |
| 13:02.08 | alexises | If only I could run scripts just after the base system install, so I'll added the missing file and it all good |
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| 13:03.24 | wrksx | isn't it weird that software-properties-common depends on unattended-upgrades? |
| 13:03.46 | wrksx | I mean, I guess it's the way it is, but I'm curious about the reason why |
| 13:03.54 | wrksx | Do you have an idea |
| 13:06.33 | diogenes_ | wrksx, if it's Gnome then there's absolutely no wonder that everything depends on everything. |
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| 13:06.58 | wrksx | it's debian on a server |
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| 13:07.32 | alexises | ok, jelly from what I read on the code, it seen that the keyrings is only used by debootstrap from the base system install step |
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| 13:08.16 | jelly | makes sense, since that's the (only) step that does not look at apt keys inside the chroot |
| 13:08.31 | wrksx | Is dpkg reconfigure an interface to make configuration without editing files "manually"? |
| 13:08.37 | wrksx | or is there more to it than that |
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| 13:09.47 | klys | dpkg-reconfigure is a part of the dpkg tool that reruns all relevant package configuration scripts. said scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 13:10.18 | wrksx | klys: are those scripts written by debian packages maintainers? |
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| 13:10.22 | klys | yes |
| 13:11.09 | alexises | jelly: apt-setup module, on the other hand rely on apt-setup-verify to check each line. that run $logoutput $intarget debconf-apt-progress --logstderr $dap_opts -- apt-get -o APT::Get::List-Cleanup=false -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=$tmp $ASV_TIMEOUT update |
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| 13:16.37 | moldy | hi |
| 13:17.28 | moldy | do @reboot crontabs run after udev has created device files for USB devices? as a workaround for some broken software, i need to adjust some permissions on them after each boot. |
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| 13:19.51 | apollo13 | moldy: do you need to use crontabs? systemd timers would come to mind where you could properly depend on the device I think? |
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| 13:24.35 | moldy | apollo13: yeah i guess so. i needed a quick fix and quickly free the machine for others again. |
| 13:25.40 | apollo13 | wait wait, what is your actual problem? are you trying to fix this from a cronjob? why not just an udev rule that fixes the perms? |
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| 13:26.00 | apollo13 | or is that to late already? |
| 13:26.31 | apollo13 | you could otherwise always add a unit that has "before=cron" etc and try to do whatever you need there? (if you need to run before cron) |
| 13:28.14 | moldy | apollo13: i need this on several different machines where device IDs could differ |
| 13:28.29 | moldy | we are using some hardware with a broken driver |
| 13:28.41 | apollo13 | but isn't there something that stays constant for udev? |
| 13:28.55 | moldy | maybe, i don't have much time to look into it right now |
| 13:29.15 | moldy | last day before my vacation and i don't want to block the machine longer than necessary because two others are developing on it ;) |
| 13:29.15 | apollo13 | knows who needs to make time :D |
| 13:29.24 | apollo13 | *shrug* |
| 13:29.42 | apollo13 | I mean get on vacation and let the rest of the team fix it ;) |
| 13:29.52 | moldy | the driver scans /dev/usb for a device file and crashes if it's seeing some file before the right one where it lacks permissions :-/ |
| 13:30.03 | moldy | so depending on which mouse / keyboard / whatever is connected, it might crash or not |
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| 13:30.49 | moldy | hehe yeah, unfortunately all the others don't know much about linux / systemd, but i guess i should tell them to RTFM ;p |
| 13:31.19 | apollo13 | moldy: let's step back: where/how is this software started? |
| 13:32.08 | moldy | apollo13: the driver? it's started after boot has finished and the desktop has loaded |
| 13:32.17 | moldy | https://www.cleware-shop.de/USB-Relais-1 it's this thing if you're curious |
| 13:32.22 | apollo13 | oh literally the driver, via the normal loading mechanism or manually? |
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| 13:32.35 | moldy | via the ubuntu GUI autostart thing |
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| 13:32.54 | apollo13 | aha, so yeah any systemd unit that runs early enough would allow you to fix the perms |
| 13:32.57 | apollo13 | probably even udev |
| 13:33.07 | apollo13 | I remember that udev-settle is/was in the chain quite early |
| 13:33.22 | moldy | so if my @reboot hack runs after the device files are there, i should be good. if it runs too early and udev later creates the files or sets permissions, then i'm not |
| 13:34.06 | apollo13 | but how does your fix look like chmod 777 on /dev/usb*? :D |
| 13:34.15 | moldy | the problem with a udev rule is that connecting any kind of usb device could breka the driver again, unless i set a rule for "all usb devices whatsoever" |
| 13:34.16 | apollo13 | sounds rather dangerous *gg* |
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| 13:34.33 | moldy | apollo13: chmod -R a+rwX /dev/usb/*, yup :p |
| 13:34.55 | apollo13 | I don't see how an udev rule would be worse |
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| 13:35.02 | apollo13 | that said, do you get the driver in binary form or source? |
| 13:35.23 | moldy | i have the source and located the issue in it, but didn't have the time to patch and test it yet |
| 13:36.12 | apollo13 | ok, personally patching the driver is the way I'd go |
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| 13:36.37 | icypee | hey |
| 13:36.46 | moldy | yeah we'll probably do that in the long run (if we can't get the vendor to fix it), but i need a short-term hack for now |
| 13:36.54 | icypee | i'm trying to install debian off a cd-r on a really old computer |
| 13:37.20 | icypee | and the installer won't recognize that i have the dvd in |
| 13:37.30 | icypee | how do i mount the dvd drive? |
| 13:37.40 | moldy | icypee: is it a CD drive or a DVD drive? |
| 13:37.43 | icypee | dvd\ |
| 13:37.45 | apollo13 | yeah for me patching the driver would be shortterm, iteration over dev/usb shouldn't be that hard to find. but yeah will maybe take more than 10 minutes (on the other hand you are in here longer already ;)) |
| 13:38.05 | moldy | problem is that i have to block the machine if i want to test it |
| 13:38.35 | moldy | plus document how to build the driver and roll it out on all affected machines |
| 13:38.44 | icypee | i keep getting |
| 13:38.45 | icypee | No CD-ROM Drive was detected |
| 13:38.47 | apollo13 | so what, afterwards you are on vacation, so all machines are blocked if you don't fix it? |
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| 13:39.50 | apollo13 | moldy: don't get me wrong, but the situation is apparently work-around able, otherwise your colleagues wouldn't be working now⦠so why not just fix it after vacation |
| 13:40.11 | moldy | apollo13: they're working on something unaffected by this right now |
| 13:40.24 | moldy | at a certain point the driver must switch on an LED light |
| 13:41.13 | apollo13 | ah, that's meh |
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| 13:41.39 | apollo13 | anyways, I have no idea about ordering, I'd probably just write a systemd unit running after udev and before gdm |
| 13:41.51 | apollo13 | if systemd complains about ordering cycles you know it won't work |
| 13:42.09 | moldy | yeah, i'll see if i can fit this in today somehow, thanks |
| 13:42.12 | icypee | will it not read it because it's a scsi dvd drive? |
| 13:42.34 | moldy | icypee: ooof, iirc scsi might need some special drivers, yeah |
| 13:42.40 | moldy | icypee: the system has no usb? |
| 13:42.42 | apollo13 | moldy: but fatfingering a cronjob and reboot the machine to see if it works is probably good enough? or just don't reboot the machine :D |
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| 13:42.53 | icypee | it can't boot from usb |
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| 13:43.46 | icypee | how else can i install debian on this? |
| 13:43.59 | moldy | icypee: is there a bootable OS installed right now, and if so, which one? |
| 13:44.11 | icypee | there is none |
| 13:44.21 | moldy | ugh. it can't boot from USB *at all*? |
| 13:44.43 | apollo13 | network boot? :D |
| 13:44.44 | icypee | nope |
| 13:44.52 | moldy | put a secondary disk on another system, install debian there, then move the disk to the target system? |
| 13:44.58 | icypee | nope can't do network boot either |
| 13:45.00 | icypee | wait |
| 13:45.06 | apollo13 | what can you do :þ |
| 13:45.19 | icypee | it can only boot from cd and floppy |
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| 13:47.10 | Jdbye | improved the cooldown |
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| 13:47.14 | moldy | you can get linux on a floppy, but probably only with an ancient kernel, might not be fun :p |
| 13:47.28 | moldy | i'd simply install on a different system and then plug the disk in, that's probably easiest |
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| 13:48.12 | icypee | will debian automatically load in the drivers when i plug the hdd back into the computer i wanted debian on? |
| 13:48.39 | moldy | the hdd probably doesn't need any drivers that are not already there |
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| 13:48.59 | moldy | unless it's scsi too :p but ide should work, i think |
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| 13:49.39 | icypee | wait |
| 13:49.47 | icypee | i think the dvd drive is ide actually |
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| 13:50.49 | moldy | oh iirc there are also some fun incompatibilities with CD drives |
| 13:50.56 | moldy | it's been a while since i used any |
| 13:51.29 | moldy | you might need to tell your cd recording software to optimize for compatibility (disable multi-session and whatnot) |
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| 14:02.07 | icypee | aha |
| 14:02.09 | icypee | i fixed it |
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| 14:02.19 | icypee | i was able to plug in a sata disc drive |
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| 14:02.22 | icypee | and boot from that |
| 14:02.28 | icypee | and then use a sata to usb |
| 14:02.33 | icypee | to install to the hdd |
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| 14:48.28 | moldy | apollo13: the @reboot hack seems to work ;) |
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| 15:14.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i did a selinux-activate |
| 15:14.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | on my debian buster box and did a reboot |
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| 15:15.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | it kept trying to start different services and failing and then trying again.. |
| 15:15.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | it never got back up so i just rebooted and removed the entry from grub about security |
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| 15:15.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | im checking logs now.. |
| 15:16.28 | jhutchins | !selinux |
| 15:16.28 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 15:17.51 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: It's not something you just turn on, it requires pretty intense configuration. I believe there's a standard Debian template, but if you've done ANY customization of your system you're going to have to account for that. |
| 15:20.28 | jelly | "doctor, it hurts when I do this" |
| 15:20.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | apt install selinux-basics selinux-policy-default |
| 15:20.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | i installed this.. |
| 15:21.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol jelly |
| 15:21.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i was hoping permissive would allow me to see what i need to setup first.. |
| 15:21.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | sighs |
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| 15:23.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | giggles |
| 15:23.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | we gonna have fun fun with selinux, |
| 15:23.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | lots of laughing hysterical and crying in a pillow |
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| 15:26.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | jhutchins: should i just try apparmor instead? |
| 15:27.20 | FuzzyByte | why do |
| 15:27.22 | FuzzyByte | e |
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| 15:28.09 | FuzzyByte | It doesn't benefit you in any way, except for a lil more isolation and security |
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| 15:31.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 15:32.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | so im trying to see what it was complaining about during boot? /var/log/daemon.log? |
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| 16:06.07 | z4kst4r | what is the difference between setting the timezone with `timedatectl set-timezone Asia/Tokyo` vs `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`. Do both do the same thing as change the file /etc/timezone? |
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| 18:24.42 | oxek | is 'dragon' https://github.com/mwh/dragon packaged for debian? |
| 18:25.15 | sney | ,file bin/dragon |
| 18:25.20 | judd | Search for bin/dragon in buster/amd64: dragonplayer: usr/bin/dragon |
| 18:25.29 | sney | nope, that's a video player. doesn't look like it |
| 18:25.41 | oxek | yeah, not that one. I tried apt-file but perhaps it has been renamed for debian |
| 18:26.16 | oxek | no problem, looks like it is easy to build so I'll try that myself. Thanks for verifying I did not anything |
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| 18:31.27 | n4dir | why not install a filemanager for that purpose? |
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| 18:37.15 | oxek | n4dir: it seemed appropriate to use this simple tool to deal with broken websites, rather than opening a whole gui file manager |
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| 18:38.39 | oxek | plus I don't know how I'd open a gui filemanager from terminal, with several files already preselected so that I can drag them into a browser |
| 18:39.40 | n4dir | i am not a big fan of adding stuff from outside the repos, but to each his own |
| 18:40.08 | oxek | debian contains a lot, but not everything |
| 18:41.49 | n4dir | it sure has some small file-managers |
| 18:42.11 | n4dir | though no clue if thunar or such are big. |
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| 18:53.05 | oxek | it's not about small, it's about none of them having this exact functionality |
| 18:53.23 | oxek | I compiled this 'dragon' and it works as expected |
| 18:53.49 | oxek | moved it to ~/.local/bin/dragon too |
| 18:54.00 | oxek | that way it should not interfere with anything provided by debian |
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| 19:03.18 | jhutchins | oxek: Not that much was ever "renamed for debian". In fact, the mozilla programs are the only ones I know of. |
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| 19:08.37 | phogg | jhutchins: bsdtar? |
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| 19:13.34 | oxek | jhutchins: fd-find |
| 19:14.03 | oxek | jhutchins: bat -> batcat |
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| 19:28.13 | jhutchins | oxek: Not sure that's Debian specific. |
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| 19:35.28 | n4dir | give it the other half of the night and we will have 8 examples instead of 4. Let's flatten the curve |
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| 19:42.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys can you tell me how this gets started in buster? /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 19:42.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | i suspect its not starting cause of selinux but i find no pulse errors in audit |
| 19:42.56 | greycat | For most people, it's probably started by their desktop environment. |
| 19:43.16 | greycat | See what its parent process is. |
| 19:43.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah... |
| 19:44.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i started it manually to get audio working |
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| 19:44.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | im running dwm as well so |
| 19:44.20 | greycat | the --daemonize=no makes me suspect it's being launched as a managed service, so I would suspect it's a child of systemd --user, but still it would have been ultimately put there by some random DE, unless you did it yourself |
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| 19:44.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i just copied it from ps when i had it working w/o selinux |
| 19:44.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 19:44.45 | mason | pulseaudio has an option to autospawn per user as needed, probably based on its library being called |
| 19:44.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
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| 19:45.05 | mason | let me look |
| 19:45.11 | greycat | I don't fully understand pulse. I always have to start it twice. ALWAYS. Every time. You'd think there'd be some common thing I can google to figure out why, but nope. |
| 19:45.26 | mason | yar, see: /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf |
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| 19:45.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | freak i can't even on crontab |
| 19:46.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | :( |
| 19:46.08 | mason | In Devuan that has the wrong default and needs to be fixed. You'll want to set as appropriate under systemd. |
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| 19:46.24 | greycat | You want to be logged in. You want to start it during your login, or during your X session startup. Or something like that. |
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| 19:46.36 | greycat | crontab is just totally wrong |
| 19:46.52 | jmcnaught | On my system (buster, GNOME) PulseAudio is started by the user session manager (systemctl --user) and it is socket activated. |
| 19:46.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 19:47.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | i bet its some systemd shit |
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| 19:47.17 | greycat | as I said, the --daemonize=no kinda gives it away |
| 19:47.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | its been complaining about my prometheus scripts in logs |
| 19:47.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 19:48.22 | mason | Eryn_1983_FL: Did you look at /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf ? |
| 19:48.28 | mason | You don't have to bet anything. |
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| 19:48.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | autospawn=no |
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| 19:49.11 | greycat | same here |
| 19:49.29 | mason | It can be run as a system service too. |
| 19:49.43 | mason | And you can pulseaudio --start manually, which starts the user version. |
| 19:49.49 | mason | Dunno. It's a mess. I try not to use it. |
| 19:49.53 | greycat | I put it in my .xsession file, but as I said before, that doesn't work. I always have to kill it, then run it a second time. THEN it works. |
| 19:50.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 19:50.05 | mason | Luckily Debian ships, for example, vlc and Firefox and mplayer that don't insist on having PulseAudio. |
| 19:50.54 | mason | greycat: I used to have a script for this. PA would hose its own binary state, and my script killed it, cleared the binary data, and then yanked and reasserted the *audio driver* to get it running again. It's better lately, but I only use it if I have to. |
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| 19:51.08 | mason | PA I mean, not the script. |
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| 19:52.45 | NetTerminalGene | guys, do you know if any ubuntu gnome shell theme for buster? |
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| 19:55.45 | mason | NetTerminalGene: Do you mean Unity? Or their post-Unity theming? |
| 19:56.08 | NetTerminalGene | mason: ubuntu 20.04 gnome shell theme |
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| 19:58.21 | mason | NetTerminalGene: I imagine this will just build: https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/yaru-theme |
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| 20:22.52 | NetTerminalGene | mason: but buster is gnome 3.30 |
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| 20:23.35 | mason | NetTerminalGene: Has the theme format changed or something? |
| 20:24.16 | NetTerminalGene | mason: it changes by gnoem version |
| 20:24.18 | NetTerminalGene | gnome |
| 20:25.24 | mason | NetTerminalGene: Hm, just found https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/08/default-ubuntu-yaru-theme-rebased-on.html too if you want to build it from upstream. |
| 20:26.23 | NetTerminalGene | it's for 3.32. thanks though |
| 20:27.16 | mason | Why do you think that matters? |
| 20:27.37 | mason | Alright, you can't have it then. I might if I wanted it, but you can't. There. Next! |
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| 20:47.20 | NetTerminalGene | what do you guys say installing latest firefox flatpak? |
| 20:47.43 | greycat | Sounds ridiculous. Why not just install firefox from mozilla? |
| 20:48.38 | NetTerminalGene | dunno |
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| 20:49.44 | NetTerminalGene | greycat: what's wrong with flatpak? |
| 20:50.02 | greycat | It installs a redundant copy of a bunch of libraries you already should have. |
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| 20:50.36 | NetTerminalGene | why should i care if i have enough space? |
| 20:50.54 | mark4 | so would some kind fellow be willing to test my forth compiler no longer crashes in debian? i dont have a debian distro - its on github |
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| 20:53.22 | Mrbuck | debian doesnt support latest firefox |
| 20:53.54 | mark4 | lol i would assume its more like latest firefox does not support debian :) |
| 20:54.16 | Mrbuck | mark4: anyway |
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| 20:54.41 | NetTerminalGene | flatpak version works on debian |
| 20:54.50 | NetTerminalGene | i believe |
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| 20:59.25 | mark4 | so is there anyone here willing to test my application under linux? its not in binary format its open source on github |
| 20:59.34 | mark4 | no nefarious actions |
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| 21:11.39 | oxek | Which packages do I need to installed to get support for displaying emoji in terminal? |
| 21:12.17 | another | ,v noto-fonts-emoji |
| 21:12.18 | judd | No package named 'noto-fonts-emoji' was found in amd64. |
| 21:13.09 | another | ,v fonts-noto-color-emoji |
| 21:13.11 | judd | Package: fonts-noto-color-emoji on amd64 -- buster: 0~20180810-1; buster-backports: 0~20200408-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0~20200408-1; sid: 0~20200408-1 |
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| 21:15.40 | oxek | should I just install the whole fonts-noto package? |
| 21:17.58 | oxek | oh wow, definitely not |
| 21:18.18 | oxek | fonts-noto-color-emoji is the right call |
| 21:24.40 | oxek | another: thanks, I now have working emoji |
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| 21:25.52 | asdfdsaffd | Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume). I only accept Bitcoin. |
| 21:26.12 | mark4 | lol |
| 21:26.17 | mark4 | ill take two! :) |
| 21:28.11 | asdfdsaffd | mark4: do you want to pay 0.01683 BTC now? |
| 21:28.40 | mark4 | dont be stupid |
| 21:28.56 | towo` | asdfdsaffd, play elsewhere |
| 21:34.53 | EdePopede | asdfdsaffd: "Windows keyservers going down in the early 2000s making all legitimate Windows XP seem pirated", the old site is from 2007, the joke is long cold and dead. |
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| 21:46.41 | asdfdsaffd | . |
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| 21:52.35 | de-facto | How can I add more addresses from 127.0.0.1/8 to loopback lo? |
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| 21:52.48 | de-facto | i need more than only 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:53.55 | mark4 | wow that took a while :) |
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| 22:03.48 | another | de-facto: you can just add more. although normally the whole 127/8 is already assigned to lo |
| 22:04.23 | jhutchins | de-facto: Why? I don't think it works the way you think it does. loopback is not a physical adapter. |
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| 22:29.50 | blackop | hi |
| 22:30.46 | blackop | i have debian 10 - 32bit installed on my old laptop. it was off for 2 weeks. when i boot it doesnt show desktop icons and i cannot use right click |
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| 22:30.51 | blackop | what could be problem? |
| 22:30.56 | blackop | desktop is xfce |
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| 22:42.48 | Schwarzbaer | Hi. Bit of a weird questio, is there a program with which I can use a gamepad as a mouse? |
| 22:43.29 | sney | probably depends on the gamepad and how it presents to the OS |
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| 22:44.10 | sney | if it's a generic HID then there is likely a way to tell xorg (if not wayland) that it's a mouse. a lot of unusual pointers have been supported by xorg/x11 over the years |
| 22:45.49 | sney | blackop that sounds like xfwm4 might not be starting |
| 22:45.57 | de-facto | another, jhutchins thanks for answering, actually it seems to already be possible to just listen on 127.0.0.2 and so on, it failed on port 443 though... because nginx was listening on 0.0.0.0:443 hence my confusion to try to add more addresses |
| 22:46.49 | sney | 0.0.0.0 is the same thing as all addresses, if you add more addresses then nginx will bind there as well |
| 22:50.45 | Schwarzbaer | sney, it does happen to be an HID. What would I google for to see how to set it up with Xwayland? |
| 22:50.47 | blackop | sney: what could be your advice then? |
| 22:51.20 | sney | blackop: google 'xfwm4 not starting' or something like that and see if you can find out more |
| 22:51.34 | sney | xfwm4 is the window manager, the window manager is what puts icons on your desktop. |
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| 22:53.38 | de-facto | sney, do you know if i can make nginx listen on 0.0.0.0 except 127.0.0.2-10? |
| 22:54.34 | another | i don't think that's possible without enumerating every address. but you can put it in a netns |
| 22:54.48 | sney | iirc you may be able to make nginx listen on interfaces (e.g. enp1s0) or ranges (e.g. 192.168.0.0/24) but I'm not sure, check their docs |
| 22:54.57 | blackop | ok let me try |
| 22:55.10 | sney | but also, what system would have more than a few public ips anyway? just put them in the config |
| 22:55.49 | de-facto | http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#listen |
| 22:56.24 | de-facto | they talk about an address/hostname whatever they mean by that |
| 22:56.55 | oxek | does 'atool' still work in modern debian? It has not been updated upstream for many years. |
| 22:56.56 | another | sney: interfaces might be dynamicly added afterwards |
| 22:56.58 | oxek | ,info atool |
| 22:56.59 | judd | Package atool (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: tool for managing file archives of various types. Version: 0.39.0-9; Size: 41.4k; Installed: 139k; Homepage: https://www.nongnu.org/atool/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/atool |
| 22:57.23 | sney | if you don't use ipv6 publicly then you could do your localhost-only stuff via :: instead of 127.whatever |
| 22:57.25 | de-facto | problem is it really has to be reachable from a lot of interfaces (docker network) |
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| 23:08.53 | yanmaani | I have a file in /tmp/ named fileWinXQk that's 700m large. I deleted it, but it's still open by a bunch of programs. Is there any way to forcefully close it to reclaim the space? |
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| 23:15.07 | eventhorizon5 | yanmaani: do a 'sudo lsof | grep fileWinXQk' to see what's using it, and kill that process if it looks ok |
| 23:16.40 | yanmaani | eventhorizon5: 80 different processes |
| 23:16.48 | yanmaani | Can you just break the link to the file? |
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| 23:16.53 | yanmaani | like forcibly truncate it? |
| 23:17.34 | eventhorizon5 | yanmaani: I'm not sure, since the file would still be open by the processes |
| 23:17.43 | yanmaani | Can you discard the data inside then? |
| 23:17.47 | yanmaani | I think it's just some log file |
| 23:17.56 | sney | if you have multiple processes using a tmpfile for something and you remove the file without dealing with the underlying cause, the most likely result is the process(es) will just make a new tmpfile for the same purpose |
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| 23:18.22 | yanmaani | sney: It appeared when I was updating, and I did less on it and it just had a bunch of the GTK errors that I get from running anything |
| 23:18.50 | sney | your system sounds like a mess in general so I'm not going to speak to that. this is just a general principle. |
| 23:19.20 | yanmaani | oh by the way, is it possible to disable recently-used.xbel without giving gtk errors? |
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| 23:20.14 | yanmaani | (I have it chattr +i chown root chmod 000) |
| 23:21.10 | sney | the only way to never see gtk errors/warnings is to not have gtk on your system. it's notoriously noisy. solve actual problems, and let gtk talk to itself. it's what the rest of us do |
| 23:21.57 | yanmaani | Is there any way to disable them then, other than `evince asd.pdf > /dev/null 2>&1`? |
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| 23:27.03 | drgx2x | hy |
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| 23:29.31 | yanmaani | I fixed it by finding the FD in /proc/ and truncating it. |
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| 23:55.41 | mason | Nothing bad can come of that. |
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| 23:58.52 | efloid | hello trying to run a snap program and it fails. in the strace I see "access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" |
