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| 04:16.36 | zerowalker_w_ | where can i find the default sources.list that's closest to ones location? I am currently using a preseed i made, but for some reason it uses the "us" version even though it's far away. Not sure why cause i have set the location to be my country, though the language is set to en_US so perhaps that is the case |
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| 04:22.01 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 04:23.39 | zerowalker_w_ | CyberManifest, just found that, a bit confused by the "ftp" though, to me it seems like it can act as both http and ftp, i am guessing http is preferred? basically just copy the link |
| 04:23.45 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: or https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 04:24.15 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: where do you hail from? |
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| 04:24.51 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: and which release are you using ? |
| 04:24.51 | zerowalker_w_ | CyberManifest, oh that site seems awesome. Sweden :) |
| 04:25.07 | zerowalker_w_ | the latest stable debian, 10 if i am not out of sync |
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| 04:27.03 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: well I was going to link you to the results, but it seems to do it server side, so you'll have to use that site to do it yourself, just uncheck the box to use the default and then select the mirror of your country, scroll to the bottom and generate list |
| 04:27.48 | CyberManifest | oh and select your release Stable Buster |
| 04:28.24 | zerowalker_w_ | yeah just did that:) unchecked the non-free and contrib, think those are normally not added. Noticed that the backport servers was just the default one, not the "se" version though |
| 04:28.35 | zerowalker_w_ | yeah made sure i selected that one |
| 04:29.03 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: or https://hastebin.com/hasizedage.nginx |
| 04:29.15 | zerowalker_w_ | though i find it a bit confusing, it says i need to install these first: apt install curl wget apt-transport-https dirmngr |
| 04:29.24 | zerowalker_w_ | but it's not using https right? |
| 04:29.41 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: it can use https |
| 04:29.49 | zerowalker_w_ | looks like mine now, apart from conrib and non-free |
| 04:30.03 | zerowalker_w_ | i don't need to add https? |
| 04:30.10 | themill | zerowalker_w_, CyberManifest: highly recommend against using debgen |
| 04:30.11 | CyberManifest | nope |
| 04:30.11 | zerowalker_w_ | on the repos |
| 04:30.16 | zerowalker_w_ | ah |
| 04:30.20 | CyberManifest | themill: no one else responded |
| 04:30.30 | zerowalker_w_ | themill,why? |
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| 04:30.44 | themill | CyberManifest: I can see that, it doesn't make it a good recommendation though |
| 04:30.56 | CyberManifest | themill: to each their own |
| 04:30.58 | themill | !debgen |
| 04:30.58 | dpkg | Websites that generate a <sources.list> for you (like http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/) create terrible sources.list files with syntax errors, encourage you to mix releases or even distributions and do silly things like using "stable" instead of the code name. Instead, ask me about <stretch sources.list> or <buster sources.list>. |
| 04:31.15 | themill | CyberManifest: no seriously, debgen causes us problems on a regular basis |
| 04:31.55 | CyberManifest | themill: then maybe fill the need for local source lists |
| 04:32.15 | themill | deb.debian.org already does that |
| 04:32.21 | themill | !buster sources.list |
| 04:32.21 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:32.57 | CyberManifest | themill: it's obviously not apparent or you wouldn't be having "problems on a regular bases" of users using debgen |
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| 04:33.22 | themill | thank you for telling me that I don't know what goes on... |
| 04:33.52 | CyberManifest | themill: https://deb.debian.org/ also doesn't seem to show "LOCAL" |
| 04:33.53 | another | there's a example config on the wiki... |
| 04:33.54 | themill | CyberManifest: the sources.list you pastebinned will cause problems in about a year when bullseye is released. |
| 04:34.04 | themill | CyberManifest: deb.debian.org is local |
| 04:34.35 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: ^ make note of what themill said |
| 04:34.49 | CyberManifest | themill: it's not local to sweeden |
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| 04:36.23 | CyberManifest | themill: show me sweeden or other locations https://imgur.com/lOErA3L |
| 04:36.43 | themill | Last time I looked Stockholm was in Sweden. |
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| 04:37.13 | zerowalker_w_ | wait, why will it cause issues? |
| 04:37.21 | zerowalker_w_ | it looks normal to me |
| 04:37.21 | CyberManifest | themill: show me where it says "Stockholm" |
| 04:37.34 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: cause it says stable and not buster |
| 04:37.34 | themill | CyberManifest: do you know what a CDN is? |
| 04:37.37 | zerowalker_w_ | Stockholm is in sweden, for the most part |
| 04:37.43 | zerowalker_w_ | oh |
| 04:37.47 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: when bullseye comes out IT will be stable |
| 04:37.48 | themill | zerowalker_w_: "stable" in the sources.list is a timebomb waiting to go off |
| 04:37.56 | zerowalker_w_ | good catch |
| 04:37.59 | CyberManifest | themill: nope |
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| 04:38.32 | zerowalker_w_ | so can i just replace stable with buster, even on "stable-updates" and "stable/updates" |
| 04:38.41 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: yes |
| 04:38.48 | themill | zerowalker_w_: yes, you should do so (use what dpkg said) |
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| 04:39.22 | CyberManifest | themill: I take it dpkg didn't tell them anything or they wouldn't be inquiring here |
| 04:39.48 | themill | Please do try arguing less and reading more, you'll be much less annoying |
| 04:39.48 | zerowalker_w_ | done, thanks! |
| 04:39.55 | another | !deb822 |
| 04:39.55 | dpkg | Debian uses a simple "key: value" file format for lots of files that looks a bit like RFC822 mail headers and so is nicknamed "deb822". There are Perl, Python, Ruby etc bindings for modules to read and write this file format. |
| 04:40.18 | CyberManifest | themill: try being less annoyed and more accepting and you'll be more at peace |
| 04:42.09 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: you're welcome glad I was able to help :) |
| 04:42.56 | zerowalker_w_ | :) |
| 04:43.15 | zerowalker_w_ | so bullseye will come next year already? anything interesting in it? |
| 04:43.33 | CyberManifest | themill: and again if requests and needs were met people wouldn't have to resort to tools like debgen |
| 04:44.27 | themill | CyberManifest: there are oodles of places where this is available that aren't debgen. Adding another one doesn't help |
| 04:44.38 | CyberManifest | zerowalker_w_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Debian_11_(Bullseye) see chart |
| 04:44.55 | CyberManifest | themill: yet it's Obviously not obvious to users |
| 04:45.16 | themill | Sure, so next time someone asks, please point them at what dpkg said or at the wiki and not at debgen |
| 04:45.55 | CyberManifest | why do you keep saying what dpkg said, dpkg didn't say anything |
| 04:46.03 | themill | really? |
| 04:46.19 | themill | I can see several things that dpkg has said in the last 15 min. |
| 04:46.34 | CyberManifest | themill: I'll keep pointing them to where I see appropriate, fill a need |
| 04:46.42 | themill | no |
| 04:46.44 | themill | please don't. |
| 04:46.46 | CyberManifest | themill: do you mean the damn bot |
| 04:47.00 | themill | Giving bad advice here is not welcome, ok? |
| 04:47.07 | CyberManifest | themill: wasn't asking |
| 04:47.28 | themill | Umm, this actually isn't negotiable. |
| 04:47.45 | themill | I'm politely asking that you look after our community, but you want to make that into a confrontation |
| 04:47.47 | CyberManifest | If not here then anywhere else I see fit |
| 04:48.23 | CyberManifest | themill: no you're asking to conform to broken protocols and methods |
| 04:48.27 | themill | So, please, give good advice |
| 04:48.34 | CyberManifest | I did |
| 04:48.41 | themill | No, I'm asking you to not give bad advice |
| 04:48.42 | CyberManifest | it solved their issue |
| 04:48.45 | themill | no |
| 04:48.56 | CyberManifest | solving their issue was good advice |
| 04:49.10 | themill | no it was not, it had to be modified |
| 04:49.19 | CyberManifest | which wasn't hard |
| 04:49.20 | themill | Making mistakes is ok, but learning from them is essential. |
| 04:49.33 | CyberManifest | to some |
| 04:49.36 | CyberManifest | not to everyone |
| 04:49.36 | themill | Refusing to learn from them is not acceptable |
| 04:49.42 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@50.25.206.180] by ChanServ |
| 04:50.07 | themill | I'd rather you stayed here and provided good advice to people. |
| 04:50.09 | another | wat? learning is not good for everyone? |
| 04:50.37 | themill | I'm happy for people to make mistakes and learn; I'm not prepared to have people not learn and insist that bad advice is good |
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| 06:31.37 | wrksx_ | Using postfix, in the main.cf config file I changed the 'myhostname' variable but it doesn't change anything (tried reload and restart postfix) |
| 06:32.32 | Shadur | wrksx_: That's because you change the wrong variable. 'myorigin' is the one you want. |
| 06:32.56 | wrksx_ | Shadur: oh right, I see this myorigin var at the top of the file |
| 06:33.04 | wrksx_ | saying "Debian specific" |
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| 06:33.24 | wrksx_ | But then why is myhostname for? |
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| 06:34.57 | wrksx_ | And is "myorigin = /etc/mailname" supposed to work |
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| 06:40.55 | Shadur | wrksx_: It does if /etc/mailname is a file that exists. That's a default because a lot of MTAs support that convention. |
| 06:41.15 | Shadur | myhostname is how your MTA identifies itself to another mail server. |
| 06:41.37 | Shadur | "Hi, I am mailsender.example.com, and I've got a message here from johnfoobar@example.com...." |
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| 06:42.58 | Shadur | myhostname: 'mailsender.example.com'. myorigin: 'example.com'. That's the distinction in a nutshell. |
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| 06:46.11 | wrksx_ | Shadur: shouldn't myhostame be "mailsender" only then? I get the idea anyway, enough to test and research. Thank you =) |
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| 06:49.54 | Shadur | No, because the sending mail server does not have to be in the same domain. |
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| 06:50.17 | Shadur | smtp.examplecom.outlook.com might be sending mail on behalf of example.com, for instance. |
| 06:52.13 | wrksx_ | Shadur: ah right, thanks, makes sense |
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| 08:39.50 | solsTiCe | hi. If I were to add a debian directory for my software to be package as a .deb using meson+ninja, what would it be like ? |
| 08:40.30 | mesaboogie | solsTiCe, https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging |
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| 08:42.15 | solsTiCe | mesaboogie: nothing there about meson ? |
| 08:42.46 | mesaboogie | search for it |
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| 09:11.30 | themill | mesaboogie: there's 350ish packages in the archive the build-depend on meson; I'd suggest looking in debian/rules to see how they're doing it. (`build-rdeps meson`) |
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| 09:21.22 | absinthe | hello, im trying to install wireguard on debian stretch - i guess i need to enable stretch-backports ? but still it can't find the packages (wireguard, wireguard-tools) |
| 09:21.30 | absinthe | or should i use buster-backports ? |
| 09:21.34 | ksk | ,v wireguard |
| 09:21.35 | judd | Package: wireguard on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200513-1; sid: 1.0.20200820-1 |
| 09:21.47 | ksk | absinthe: seems it is not part of strech. Why not update to buster? |
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| 09:22.08 | ksk | You should nox mix Stretch with Buster Backports. |
| 09:22.28 | ksk | !tell absinthe about Stretch->Buster |
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| 09:22.53 | absinthe | thanks ksk. i guess we'll a more up-to-date vm :> |
| 09:23.01 | absinthe | *depploy |
| 09:23.25 | absinthe | damn can't type. im so excited about that upgrade ;> |
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| 09:25.01 | cadmio | Hello |
| 09:25.08 | cadmio | where can I find gmp.h? |
| 09:25.39 | ratrace | probably libgmp-dev package |
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| 09:30.41 | cadmio | ok thanks |
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| 10:57.25 | solsTiCe | hi. I run debootstrap in a directory with space in the name. it failed at extracting utils-linux! |
| 10:57.37 | solsTiCe | on archlinux |
| 10:57.59 | solsTiCe | https://paste.rs/Hxe |
| 10:58.09 | Haohmaru | so you're not actually using debian? |
| 10:58.18 | jelly | debootstrap is a shell script, patches are probably accepted |
| 10:58.43 | jelly | Haohmaru, "I run debootstrap" usually means "I'm installing Debian" |
| 10:58.56 | Haohmaru | k |
| 10:58.59 | solsTiCe | well. I am not going to debug that. I think the bug is obvious |
| 10:59.05 | solsTiCe | I just let you know |
| 10:59.11 | solsTiCe | IS there a bugtracker ? |
| 10:59.37 | jelly | solsTiCe, no prob. the bugtracker exists but has an email-mostly interface and is a bit painful |
| 10:59.47 | solsTiCe | oh no |
| 10:59.49 | jelly | bugs.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 11:00.44 | jelly | there are helper tools like "reportbug" but that assumes you're running debian |
| 11:00.55 | solsTiCe | yes my container ? |
| 11:01.46 | jelly | if you run debootstrap again inside the container and manage to reproduce you can file a bug with reportbug ;-) |
| 11:02.10 | solsTiCe | ;-) |
| 11:02.15 | ratrace | spaces in directory names, while legit, are usually a bane in 'nix world |
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| 11:02.50 | jelly | sadly this channel is pretty much divorced from the development process and it not a good place to file bugs (but maybe a kind soul might report it for you. That won't be me tho!) |
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| 11:05.08 | solsTiCe | reproduced in container |
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| 11:06.43 | jelly | then you can go install reportbug in there and, well, report the bug, and you'll have done your good deed of the day |
| 11:06.48 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 11:06.48 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 11:12.06 | NetTerminalGene | guys i want to switch to X but in gdm there are two different X stuff. which one should i choose? |
| 11:12.21 | NetTerminalGene | i am on wayland now |
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| 11:21.30 | NetTerminalGene | ok. i found |
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| 11:25.56 | solsTiCe | jelly: so I posted the bug report with reportbug. I just hope it was sent ok. I can't see it, now |
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| 11:31.19 | jelly | solsTiCe, thanks! It can take up to 20 minutes for a new bug report to appear |
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| 11:40.44 | oxek | jelly: I posted a bug yesterday and it has still not appeared |
| 11:44.44 | Haohmaru | maybe the bug report went very near a black hole |
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| 11:46.46 | ksk | oxek: are you using a localpart that machtes procmailrc its "I FORGOT THE NAME"-field? ;) (and greetings to 1970) |
| 11:47.11 | ksk | (for example: You cannot send mail to the BTS, if your email is like "mail@example.com") |
| 11:49.05 | jelly | oxek, that also happens, some are stuck because the spam countermeasures are drastic |
| 11:50.13 | oxek | it's likely spam |
| 11:50.19 | ratrace | oxek: I think you can report to.... *cough* Ubuntu's LaunchPad, there's an option for debian if I'm not mistaken. Or repro in 'buntu, report for 'buntu, it usualyl trickles down back to debian, often the maintainers are the same person |
| 11:50.33 | oxek | I could not send it through bugreport because reportbug.debian.org mailsever was not reachable |
| 11:50.43 | oxek | so I sent it through normal email |
| 11:51.22 | oxek | hmm, that's an interesting idea, reporting bugs to ubuntu instead |
| 11:51.33 | oxek | the interface is certainly better |
| 11:51.51 | ratrace | oxek: speaking of that, you could configure your local MTA to send out over port 465, instead 25. while not 100% up to spec, chances are recipient servers will accept |
| 11:52.15 | oxek | ratrace: I think the issue is that debian simply blocks my ip address |
| 11:52.32 | ratrace | oxek: more likely your ISP blocks outbound port 25 |
| 11:52.42 | ratrace | and you can verify that with something like mtr-tiny |
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| 11:58.06 | solsTiCe | my email was not valid. it was root@natit. will it work with reportbug ? |
| 11:58.16 | oxek | 465 is supposed to be straight SSL, not starttls, right? |
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| 11:59.47 | ratrace | oxek: right |
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| 12:00.02 | oxek | I can't do even 'openssl s_client -connect reportbug.debian.org:465' |
| 12:00.16 | ratrace | "splendid". |
| 12:00.39 | oxek | it doesn't matter, I'll try the ubuntu way |
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| 12:01.13 | ratrace | I usually tend to ignore fossy systems that make it hard to report issues. you don't want bug reports? byeeeeeee.. |
| 12:01.13 | oxek | I guess I can just use debootstrap to get a ubuntu chroot and reproduce the issue there and then report it |
| 12:01.38 | ratrace | oxek: yea |
| 12:01.42 | oxek | I don't particularly want to 'lie' to ubuntu maintainers that I use ubuntu when I actually use debian |
| 12:02.05 | ksk | If the bug is present in Ubuntu that should be fine. |
| 12:02.20 | ratrace | that wasn't even recommended. LP has sections for _debian_ specific issues. at least had last time I looked |
| 12:02.36 | oxek | oh, that's even better than |
| 12:02.38 | ratrace | or, like I said, try repro in 'buntu then report for 'buntu, and the fix will likely come down to debian |
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| 12:06.54 | jelly | that doesn't happen as often as one might expect |
| 12:10.08 | oxek | I would have already sent so many little patches to little issues in debian, if it was as simple as a github pull request |
| 12:10.10 | oxek | but alas |
| 12:10.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 12:11.08 | ratrace | oxek: debian uses gitlab to some extent. I wonder if users can create accounts there and try pull requests |
| 12:11.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | is module signing in the kernel on be default on a fresh install |
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| 12:32.43 | mesaboogie | Eryn_1983_FL, grep the kernel config and find out |
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| 12:35.19 | mesaboogie | Eryn_1983_FL, grep CONFIG_MODULE_SIG /boot/YOUR_KERNEL_CONFIG |
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| 12:37.13 | mesaboogie | Eryn_1983_FL, grep /boot/YOUR_KERNEL_CONFIG CONFIG_MODULE_SIG |
| 12:37.22 | mesaboogie | my bad |
| 12:38.08 | mesaboogie | goes for coffee |
| 12:39.51 | blebz | Newb question: Is the idea with Debian to not use sudo and to login with su -l when we want to hack around with the system / install stuff etc. ? |
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| 12:41.09 | blebz | Cos I set up a username, and managed to get it sudo'ed up .. but the user has no paths set up for /sbin etc. so no commands work... |
| 12:41.53 | blebz | What is the thinking behind this set up? Are we just supposed to use root for everything in the cli? |
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| 12:42.51 | mesaboogie | blebz, either that (su) or add your user to group wheel, your normal user that is. --->>> https://devconnected.com/how-to-add-a-user-to-sudoers-on-debian-10-buster/ |
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| 12:43.57 | n_1-c_k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:45.13 | blebz | So by default a normal user on deb has hardly any privaleges in the cli.. ? I guess it for security reasons? |
| 12:45.59 | blebz | Until you configure it thus.. |
| 12:47.04 | n_1-c_k | Well, a "normal user" by definition is one with much lesser privileges than root. Why /sbin etc are not on PATH be default though I don't know, I think it should be. |
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| 12:47.36 | nkuttler | blebz: the sudo by default in other distros is really not good for security |
| 12:48.26 | blebz | No... I can see that.. I think. |
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| 12:48.34 | nkuttler | if you want to use sudo configure it, that's an opportunity to read man 5 sudoers |
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| 12:48.59 | blebz | Is having no paths set for a normal user a bug? |
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| 12:49.42 | nkuttler | i wouldn't say so. sounds more like a personal preference thing |
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| 12:51.37 | blebz | Does anyone have a good link on how to set up paths for a user... what paths they should be.. and how to make the settings persistant i.e. everytime user logs in etc... |
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| 12:55.52 | ksk | blebz: you normaly do not have to alter these settings.. |
| 12:56.31 | ksk | blebz: take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
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| 12:58.15 | blebz | ksk: So I'm going about this with completely the wrong mindset? I should use su -l then get in .. do my thing get out as quickly as possible and leave the box locked shut? |
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| 12:58.33 | ksk | blebz: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:58.51 | ksk | !buster su |
| 12:58.52 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 12:59.16 | ksk | oh, you already used "su -l", nevermind that. |
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| 13:03.19 | blebz | Computing goals: I am trying to set-up a box to have a samba I can connect to with my Mac and my other Linux OS (Pop!OS) I am really liking Linux these days and am not feeling MacOS these days at all (a lot to do with Adobe) I am trying to transition across to Linux and leave OSX behind if I can... but I still used Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac at the moment... I'm thinking Debian will be the OS I chose from now |
| 13:03.19 | blebz | on.. am trying to get my head round how it works and how to get stuff done.. |
| 13:03.39 | blebz | I haven't even installed a DE on the box I want to use for samba |
| 13:04.23 | blebz | But I'm a bit dumb when it comes to sysadmin etc on Debian .. I would like to learn a bit more if I can.. |
| 13:04.40 | blebz | Just wanna know how you are supposed to go around doing stuff.. |
| 13:05.04 | blebz | Like on Ubuntu you have sudo and paths are all set for commands and that. |
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| 13:09.16 | ratrace | blebz: you can have exactly the same on debian |
| 13:09.32 | ratrace | some prefer sudo, some prefer to su -l, do the root work, exit back to unprivileged shell |
| 13:10.20 | mesaboogie | blebz, as ksk mentioned, you shouldn't have to muck around with paths at all. you can always use sftp/sshfs instead of samba as well for file transfers. just giving you soe options. |
| 13:11.14 | blebz | OK, great.. |
| 13:14.26 | blebz | Also I wanted to Use the box (without the desktop env) as a Internal webserver so I can copy files to it and then try my websites I am designing out on a sort of 'intranet' before just FTPing the whole directory tree up to a live webserver out on the intranets.. |
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| 13:14.41 | blebz | That and world peace ;o) |
| 13:15.48 | mesaboogie | blebz, sounds reasonable |
| 13:15.58 | mesaboogie | sans world peace |
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| 13:18.49 | blebz | You think I should be thinking more along the lines of the Cosmos? Not thinking big enough I guess... |
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| 13:21.35 | nlpqda | I know this is not a firefox channel & Yes I googled/binged/duckducwentintoi BUT I couldn't the newly installed debain 10.5.0 to recognize the backup profile of firefox-esr even though I believe both were/are the same version 68!! it keeps warning me about older version of firefox would corrupt the profile! I went to firefox-esr website trying to download the newest but their 68 seems to be newest, any |
| 13:21.41 | nlpqda | none silly suggestions are highly appreciated. |
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| 13:25.51 | jelly | make a second backup copy and use it anyway? |
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| 13:29.46 | nlpqda | jelly: sure but firefox doesn't allow such luxury .. the only two options available from the dialog-box are create new profile / quit |
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| 13:30.23 | nlpqda | I've tried to push it directly from command line also firefox --profile <folderName> it didn't work |
| 13:30.49 | nlpqda | I'm wondering why even though both OSs are the same buster! |
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| 13:40.41 | ueb | Hi there |
| 13:41.21 | ueb | the file /var/log/mysql/error.log keeps being empty |
| 13:41.36 | ueb | I checked permissions of file and folders, but nothing.. |
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| 13:42.33 | diogenes_ | nlpqda, basically you only need to copy: key4.db logins.json pref.js |
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| 13:44.59 | ueb | I see mysql related logs into /var/log/syslog... how come? |
| 13:45.25 | ratrace | ueb: mysql configured to log into syslog? |
| 13:45.37 | ueb | ratrace yes |
| 13:45.46 | ueb | Debian 10 |
| 13:46.18 | ratrace | so then what's the question |
| 13:46.44 | ueb | how could I switch mysql error logging into /var/log/mysql/error.log ? |
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| 13:47.47 | Coraxyn | Morning |
| 13:48.37 | ratrace | ueb: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/server-logs.html |
| 13:48.55 | Coraxyn | If any here is responsible for FPC Free Pascal Compiler package, please update 32 and 64 versions |
| 13:49.21 | ratrace | Coraxyn: likely nobody is, and you can file a bug report / wishlist |
| 13:49.34 | Coraxyn | Thank you |
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| 13:54.37 | Hi-Angel | Hey! I've got a custom package that overrides a `/etc/anacrontab` which is also in `anacron` package. `dpkg -i` refuses to install this custom package because, well, I override a file owned by someone else. I wonder, what's the proper way to deal with that situation? |
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| 13:57.13 | n_1-c_k | Hi-Angel, haven't used it myself but dpkg-divert(1) might be what you're looking for. |
| 13:57.42 | Hi-Angel | Okay, thank you! |
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| 14:32.57 | jelly | dpkg-divert probably should not be used on paths that are marked as "conffile" by some other package |
| 14:33.51 | jelly | Hi-Angel, the least worst approach is perhaps not shipping the file, but replacing/updating the contents in your postinst configure step |
| 14:34.38 | jelly | I remember diversion of conffiles had weird results but that was a LONG way back, in Debian 5 or 6 maybe |
| 14:35.28 | jelly | Hi-Angel, maybe ask in #packaging over on irc.oftc.net; I don't know if shared conffile is an option |
| 14:38.19 | Hi-Angel | Okay, thanks! |
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| 14:51.28 | xSlendiX | Hello everyone, I am trying to install tigervnc on raspbian lite. It works but the vnc port 5901 is closed for other computers on my network. SSH's port is open and im left confuzed. What do I do in order to fix this? |
| 14:52.11 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 14:52.11 | dpkg | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 14:52.32 | petn-randall | xSlendiX: I'd try asking in one of those two channels. ^^^ |
| 14:52.52 | xSlendiX | Ok |
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| 15:12.02 | oxek | fasd or autojump? Which one is better? |
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| 15:13.04 | ndegruchy | I didn't like jump, it gave me inconsistent results. Though I've never tried fasd. |
| 15:13.40 | oxek | I can try both, but would prefer to know if one is better than the other first |
| 15:13.54 | oxek | I'm going through the github pages of both |
| 15:14.02 | oxek | looking at issues, pull requests |
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| 15:15.54 | oxek | and both have lots of unanswered issues, not merged pull requests, and haven't been updated in years |
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| 15:47.57 | jim | SerajewelKS, hi, had some questions... no pressure, whenever you see me is fine |
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| 15:50.40 | EmptyMessage | what questions? |
| 15:51.35 | yanmaani | !ask |
| 15:51.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:13.53 | absinthe | ,v libboost-context1.67.0 |
| 16:13.54 | judd | Package: libboost-context1.67.0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1 |
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| 17:33.36 | mutantturkey | what's up. in terms of networking and security, has anyone read good BOOKS about securing a production network internally, best practice wise |
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| 17:40.33 | vlt | mutantturkey: Step 0: Only open things that need to be open. |
| 17:42.16 | mutantturkey | vlt: true that |
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| 17:42.46 | mutantturkey | was looking fo something a bit more comprehensive including things like auditing, logging, risk profiling |
| 17:42.49 | mutantturkey | idk! |
| 17:43.03 | macc24 | mutantturkey: let me know when you find book like this |
| 17:43.11 | mutantturkey | hah, maybe i will just have to write it! |
| 17:43.28 | mutantturkey | PRODUCTION SERVER CONSIDERATOIN AND APPROACHES FOR DUMMIES |
| 17:43.30 | vlt | mutantturkey: Then you can include things like (in no particular order): ssh keys instead of passwords, send encrypted data only, ... |
| 17:43.31 | greycat | Only run the services you actually need. Run the stable release and keep up to date on security patches. Do not change permissions at random. |
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| 17:44.02 | mutantturkey | greycat: i almost always change permissions at random |
| 17:44.19 | greycat | !666 |
| 17:44.19 | dpkg | 666 or 0x029a or 011011000110110001101100 is the mythological number of the beast in christian mythology. It's also 0666 or -rw-rw-rw-, but no sane person ever has a file with those permisions. Read Revelations or info coreutils 'Numeric Modes' if you really care about these things |
| 17:44.51 | greycat | dpkg, 666 =~ s/Revelations/the book of Revelation/ |
| 17:44.51 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:45.27 | greycat | !777 |
| 17:45.27 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
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| 17:46.16 | mutantturkey | greycat: i almost always change permissions at random |
| 17:46.49 | mutantturkey | greycat: chmod `shuf -i 0-7 -n 1``shuf -i 0-7 -n 1``shuf -i 0-7 -n 1` `find | shuf -n 1` |
| 17:47.09 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:47.15 | mutantturkey | lols |
| 17:47.29 | greycat | absolutely terrible. for god's sake learn some bash if you're going to troll. |
| 17:48.18 | mutantturkey | it works! |
| 17:48.21 | mutantturkey | i don't recommend it |
| 17:48.31 | greycat | printf %03o\\n "$((RANDOM & 0777))" |
| 17:48.38 | mutantturkey | niceer i guess |
| 17:48.52 | jelly | needs more suid, sgid and s-ticky |
| 17:49.12 | greycat | also https://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind and https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#pf1 |
| 17:49.19 | jhutchins | mutantturkey: It's more than one book. I have a four foot shelf of them, but most of what I know I've learned by doing. |
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| 17:49.57 | mutantturkey | jhutchins: yeah i'm just looking for general recommendations |
| 17:50.01 | mutantturkey | one could imagine a large volume |
| 17:50.06 | jelly | greycat, you will be pleased to know that an ArchLinux user reported abysmal failure of debootstrap to create a chroot if there's a space somewhere in path |
| 17:50.13 | jelly | just today |
| 17:50.29 | greycat | Also, for anyone who is confused, do NOT run the command that mutantturkey wrote. |
| 17:50.38 | jhutchins | mutantturkey: One might realisticaly imagine 20. |
| 17:50.41 | mutantturkey | yeah it's pretty vile |
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| 17:51.05 | greycat | jelly: yay. |
| 17:51.08 | jhutchins | Or rich. |
| 17:51.15 | jelly | find | shuf IS weird, I'll give you that |
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| 17:51.29 | mutantturkey | surely find has a flag to randomly select |
| 17:51.32 | mutantturkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.37 | yanmaani | find . -exec 'chmod -R $(printf %03o\\n "$((RANDOM & 0777))") {};' |
| 17:51.44 | mutantturkey | eek |
| 17:51.47 | jelly | where's my eurojackpot oneliner |
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| 17:52.17 | mutantturkey | in other news markets are down as a 'super virus' has scrambled the brains of computer facilities for many meganational corporations |
| 17:52.29 | mutantturkey | some say it started as a bad joke on #debian |
| 17:52.39 | jelly | is that why Azure got hiccups today |
| 17:52.43 | jelly | (shuf -i 1-45 -n5 | sort -n; echo .; shuf -i 1-10 -n2 | sort -n)|tr '\n' ' ';echo |
| 17:52.56 | jelly | except it should be 1-50 |
| 17:52.58 | mutantturkey | we really should obfuscate it though |
| 17:53.41 | yanmaani | jelly: What's that do? |
| 17:54.29 | greycat | what is that supposed to be, a lottery picker? |
| 17:54.33 | jelly | yes |
| 17:54.46 | jelly | 5 numbers from 1-50, 2 numbers 1-10 |
| 17:56.29 | jelly | could be cut in length somewhat but at least it's readable |
| 17:57.50 | jelly | maybe it might use just one sort if the latter two numbers are formatted in a clever manner? |
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| 18:38.26 | antto | dafuq.. i cp'ed debian netinst onto some flash stick and "cp" pretty much finished instantly |
| 18:38.33 | antto | i thought there was some error |
| 18:38.37 | antto | o_O |
| 18:38.59 | greycat | now you wait for it to actually sync the data... |
| 18:39.29 | antto | i unplugged and replugged it, it shows as Debian 10.5.0 amd64 blahblah |
| 18:39.42 | antto | but imma redo the cp and wait for sync |
| 18:40.32 | petn-randall | greycat: I thought cp does a fdatasync at the end? |
| 18:40.34 | antto | cp .... | sync |
| 18:40.37 | antto | right? |
| 18:40.38 | dvs | antto, or type "sync" after the copy is over |
| 18:40.52 | antto | okay, it took several seconds now |
| 18:40.53 | petn-randall | antto: What dvs said, don't pipe the one in the other. |
| 18:41.09 | antto | hm |
| 18:41.28 | petn-randall | If you have a fast stick a few secs doesn't sound crazy. |
| 18:41.33 | petn-randall | netinst image? |
| 18:41.50 | antto | yes |
| 18:42.13 | antto | but the first time it wasn't a few seconds it was more like.. woop, woop! finished |
| 18:42.28 | n4dir | doeasnt sync run if you umount? |
| 18:42.58 | antto | i did click the eject button in pcmanfm before unplugging it |
| 18:43.01 | dvs | n4dir, yes, but cp to a disk is not mounted in the first place |
| 18:43.10 | antto | it was mounted |
| 18:43.19 | n4dir | duh. thanks |
| 18:43.28 | dvs | when copying the iso??? |
| 18:44.16 | antto | dvs, i plugged it in to see what's on it, opened it via pcmanfm, saw it was FAT32 or so, had 4 dxf files, i said "meh, don't need these" and then i went to cp the iso over it |
| 18:44.21 | petn-randall | antto: that sounds wrong. |
| 18:44.40 | petn-randall | antto: You are preparing a USB stick to boot from, right? |
| 18:44.48 | antto | yes |
| 18:44.56 | dvs | yeah, the flash drive shouldn't be mounted when copying the iso |
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| 18:45.51 | racquad | Hi guys. Does anyone have any experience on restoring a MySQL database from the MYD files? |
| 18:46.11 | antto | ehm, i have debian9 on another machine which also has crapdowsXP, and the debian there has nothing, i haven't used it, no files.. and i was thinking to upgrade it but then i saw that i've not partitioned very cleverly, so i'd install debian 10 over it and make more sane partitions |
| 18:46.22 | petn-randall | racquad: What happened? |
| 18:47.27 | racquad | petn-randall, there was a VM that was running a LAMP application. Someone deleted this VM but the image disk is available (it's not bootable, I don't know why). So I have access to /var/lib/mysql repository but I can't restore the databases in it |
| 18:47.29 | greycat | antto: for a home desktop system with no special usage requirements, just make one big file system, possibly with a small-ish swap partition if needed |
| 18:47.34 | SerajewelKS | i was today years old when i learned that the default LUKS sector size kills write performance on HDDs by nearly a factor of 8 |
| 18:48.13 | SerajewelKS | friends don't let friends use the default LUKS sector size |
| 18:48.42 | antto | greycat, why not have swap, home, and / on separate partitions? |
| 18:49.06 | antto | that's how i've been doing it.. except on this debian9, i've put just 30-ish GB for / |
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| 18:49.48 | jhutchins | racquad: What's your hypervisor? There may be a way to import or mount the disk file. |
| 18:50.02 | greycat | antto: separate /home is fine too. |
| 18:50.15 | petn-randall | racquad: Your best chance is to get it to boot again, assuming you didn't disable writethrough. Do you have backups from the machine or the database? |
| 18:50.20 | jhutchins | racquad: The problem with modern MySQL is that it keeps a lot of stuff in memory and just the files are not enough to restore it. |
| 18:50.23 | SerajewelKS | the only argument i've seen for having a separate /home that makes any sense at all is if you want to be able to reinstall the OS without having to backup/restore your home directory, but even that doesn't make much sense since there is usually stuff you want from / as well, like /etc |
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| 18:50.27 | racquad | jhutchins, The customer is running Azure. I don't have access to the infrastructure. They gave me just a SSH endpoint |
| 18:50.43 | SerajewelKS | or if you don't trust your users not to fill up the disk the OS lives on, but there's quotas for that |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins | racquad: Azure may have backups. |
| 18:50.56 | antto | oh sh*t.. Kernel panic |
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| 18:51.00 | racquad | petn-randall, no I don't have any backups. The customer was supposed to have a infra team to take care of it. |
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| 18:51.09 | racquad | petn-randall, I have recreated a new VM with the very same OS (Ubuntu 14.04) but it didn't work at all. First I just moved the /var/lib/mysql directory to the new VM. MySQL does not load and crashes. Then I reinstalled a fresh MySQL server and created manually one of its databases (same name). Then moved the files to the proper dir. MySQL can see the table names but can't open tables. |
| 18:51.17 | antto | initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive |
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| 18:51.56 | racquad | jhutchins, they don't have. This VM was created using a proprietary template that they can't implement anymore. All I have is a VHD image disk that I'm trying to download and boot on my computer |
| 18:52.38 | jhutchins | racquad: I'd talk to Azure support. They're paying for it. |
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| 18:53.45 | racquad | jhutchins, " |
| 18:53.45 | racquad | The original template or âplanâ file that originally built the Cognos Ubuntu 14.04 LTS server you were using prior to its deletion is no longer available on the Azure Marketplace, which is why you could not build a similar VM from the restored Disks" This is Microsoft's team reply |
| 18:55.12 | Darcidride | Hi all, i'm trying to share a file from my rutorrent instance (p2p/torrent) on as much as possible public trackers for resilience/sustainability, but it seems it doesnt work when we put too many backup trackers, with 1-4 public trackers it's working properly, i can seed and leech my torrent, but with 100+ public trackers, so huge backup trackers possibility, it seems it doesn't seed anymore... (some are offline trackers, but |
| 18:55.12 | Darcidride | i can see my local torrent client skip them if needed). So i'm wondering if the clients doesn't need to be on the same tracker to allow the seed/leech to work properly, is it the case ? How many trackers in my case woul you put in the torrent file to ensure sustainability/resilience ? And, is it normal, even with the huge trackers list, that i only see 2 active trackers at the same time ? https://i.imgur.com/8nVH4z8.png |
| 18:55.12 | Darcidride | Thank you for your help ! :) |
| 18:56.22 | alex11 | SerajewelKS, FWIW i just got bit from migrating from debian to freebsd and back, the home directories don't always translate or correspond exactly so a single /home which is fixed as in a separate partition may not be a bad idea... unless i just screwed it up and was stupid about the whole thing |
| 18:56.31 | petn-randall | racquad: Sounds like it's lost now. |
| 18:56.56 | racquad | But if I have the /var/lib files can't I restore it? |
| 18:56.58 | petn-randall | racquad: You might have luck taking the image to a company specialized in data recovery. |
| 18:57.07 | alex11 | though i'm sure with the right tar arguments (but who understands tar) it's probably fine |
| 18:57.19 | racquad | Why even using the same MySQL version can't I mount the raw files and use it? |
| 18:57.22 | petn-randall | racquad: You can, but judging from your tests the data is corrupted. |
| 18:58.37 | petn-randall | wonders how this is in any way related to Debian. |
| 18:59.05 | racquad | petn-randall, it's not. Sorry to bother. |
| 18:59.34 | racquad | I just asked because it was running on a Debian like OS and some minor detail may help. |
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| 19:01.01 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:01.03 | petn-randall | racquad: I'd try to get the original OS to boot, and work it from there. But my guess is that the filesystem and/or data is corrupted and unrecoverable. |
| 19:02.05 | NetTerminalGene | ,v gnome-shell |
| 19:02.07 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-3; buster: 3.30.2-11~deb10u1; bullseye: 3.36.5-1; sid: 3.36.5-1 |
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| 19:02.54 | NetTerminalGene | nice |
| 19:03.47 | NetTerminalGene | it looks like 3.38 will be bullseye |
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| 19:09.21 | NetTerminalGene | i switched to X from wayland |
| 19:10.30 | markw__ | It looks like .local/lib/python{version} is no-longer added to the Python search path on Sid after I installed Python 3.8 |
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| 19:11.17 | markw__ | Is this just me or does anyone know if that was an intentional change? |
| 19:11.44 | markw__ | NetTerminalGene: how do you like it? |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | nobody here would know about sid's python transitions |
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| 19:12.40 | NetTerminalGene | markw__: i dunno. i feel better now |
| 19:13.37 | markw__ | greycat: do you know a better channel or should I be looking somewhere else? |
| 19:14.17 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 19:14.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 19:15.10 | markw__ | NetTerminalGene: I don't "get" Wayland. I'm pretty cool with X -- all my graphical programs are already there |
| 19:15.23 | markw__ | you need some kind of shim for wayland/X right? |
| 19:15.28 | markw__ | greycat: thanks |
| 19:16.04 | NetTerminalGene | markw__: i can't drag and drop files under wayland |
| 19:16.22 | sney | X is extremely outdated and needs a replacement, but wayland isn't *quite* there yet. still, having it available in a major distro is important for keeping that process moving |
| 19:17.09 | greycat | I'm probably never going to move to Wayland unless they offer a way to run fvwm or something very fvwm-like as the window manager. |
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| 19:18.44 | diogenes_ | greycat, sway? |
| 19:18.58 | sney | you know how popular retro stuff is, I bet someone is already working on throwback 90s interfaces for wayland. but if KDE support isn't really there yet... you know |
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| 19:19.03 | markw__ | sney: IDK. I read an article ostensibly about why X is outmoded, but it read more like "here's some super cool features of X that I don't use" |
| 19:19.05 | nkuttler | i recently installed sway, and had to create a custom xkb map just to customized a few keys.. |
| 19:19.56 | NetTerminalGene | my buster logged off one time when i was on wayland. so i felt disturbed with wayland. so people said X is more reliable. and i switched to X |
| 19:20.02 | nkuttler | last time i tried wayland was in 2013.. still not very usable.. |
| 19:20.38 | jmcnaught | I've been using Wayland exclusively since stretch and it's been working okay for me. |
| 19:21.14 | nkuttler | jmcnaught: which wm/de? |
| 19:21.34 | sney | X is like SysV in that it's functional and we've gotten quite good at making it act as if it belongs in the 21st century, but at the end of the day we're still depending on something that belongs in a museum |
| 19:21.56 | sney | (*indiana jones voice*) |
| 19:22.01 | jmcnaught | nkuttler: GNOME |
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| 19:30.28 | SerajewelKS | alex11: it still not clear to me how having homedirs in a separate partition actually helps though. how often does one decide to switch distros? is it really worth managing separate free space pools to make that rare situation a tiny bit easier? |
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| 19:33.58 | diogenes_ | SerajewelKS, it's not only about changing distru, if you or an update breaks your system and you need reinstall what you gonna do with data in /home ? |
| 19:33.58 | alex11 | yeah, it's probably a general safety measure as well |
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| 19:36.24 | jelly | diogenes_, you don't reinstall, you restore from backups. That's also where separating /home helps. |
| 19:37.10 | jelly | truth be told I've had to restore browser profiles _under_ home far more often than pieces of the OS |
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| 19:48.35 | SerajewelKS | diogenes_: restore from backups |
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| 19:49.04 | SerajewelKS | a separate volume is not a backup. and it doesn't much help with backups either, unless you don't know how to use your preferred backup tool. |
| 19:49.50 | SerajewelKS | the number of times i've accidentally hosed some data in my home directory is way higher than the number of times i've hosed the whole system. you're more likely to hose stuff you use frequently. i use my personal data way more than i configure the system. |
| 19:50.24 | jelly | but it's nice to have a separate /var |
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| 19:52.19 | SerajewelKS | if you're running services that perform better when you can tune the underlying filesystem then sure |
| 19:52.28 | SerajewelKS | e.g. fewer/more inodes |
| 19:52.31 | SerajewelKS | otherwise i don't much see the point |
| 19:55.26 | ryouma | i think debian supports whatever you want :) |
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| 19:58.26 | ryouma | of course some cases require a separate subtree, such as boot |
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| 20:00.29 | ryouma | i have a shell function to do this so that tabs actually get restored --- 12:37 <jelly> truth be told I've had to restore browser profiles _under_ home far more often than pieces of the OS |
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| 20:01.34 | ryouma | is wayland something a lot of folk just install and then it just works? it never occurred to me to install it |
| 20:01.52 | greycat | It's installed by default in Debian 10 if you choose GNOME during the initial task selection. |
| 20:02.30 | omnisip | are there any default settings spots where the window manager handles mouse events? |
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| 20:14.11 | ryouma | apparently this applies to newer versions and newer drives and so on. where did you learn of hte nearly factor of 8 write performance hit? would it apply to external drives also? nothing on this at https://lwn.net/Articles/776981/ which provides context --- 11:48 <SerajewelKS> friends don't let friends use the default LUKS sector size |
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| 20:17.56 | ryouma | so apparently luks has its own journal like thing which might be needed if you hcange sector size: "Note that if sector size is higher than underlying device hardâ ware sector and there is not integrity protection that uses data journal, using this option can increase risk on incomplete secâ tor writes during a power fail. If used together with --integrity option and dm-integrity jourâ nal, the atomicity of wr |
| 20:17.56 | ryouma | ites is guaranteed in all cases (but it cost write performance - data has to be written twice). " |
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| 20:18.23 | SerajewelKS | ryouma: for many HDDs the physical sector size is 4096 but luksFormat uses a default of 512 |
| 20:18.35 | ryouma | so you are just dividing? |
| 20:19.54 | ryouma | i'd naively assume cache would fix that |
| 20:20.15 | SerajewelKS | combined with multithreaded encryption, this can result in a bunch of partial out-of-order sector writes and the HDD winds up thrashing rewriting the same physical sector multiple times. at least that's what i assume is happening. |
| 20:20.20 | ryouma | (and naively fear smr regardless) |
| 20:20.51 | SerajewelKS | i saw a 7.2x throughput increase when dd'ing /dev/zero with a 1MB block size to an opened crypto device with a LUKS sector size of 4096 vs 512 |
| 20:21.22 | SerajewelKS | when the underlying device has physical 4096 byte sectors |
| 20:21.23 | ryouma | dumb question but dding dev zero does not get sparsified i assume? |
| 20:21.32 | ryouma | by the fs |
| 20:21.41 | greycat | /dev/zero is not *stored* in a file system |
| 20:21.49 | greycat | It's a character device node. |
| 20:22.04 | ryouma | SerajewelKS: files craeted by dding dev zero does not get sparsified i assume? |
| 20:22.13 | ryouma | although you are doing it to the device it looks like |
| 20:22.46 | greycat | You can't generate a sparse file by writing a linear stream of bytes. You would need to seek ahead. |
| 20:23.10 | SerajewelKS | ryouma: i am writing directly to the crypto device |
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| 20:23.41 | SerajewelKS | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/... bs=$((1024 * 1024)) |
| 20:23.54 | SerajewelKS | with a 512-sector LUKS device on an HDD with 4096 |
| 20:24.05 | SerajewelKS | -byte physical sectors, i got ~15MB/s throughput |
| 20:24.18 | SerajewelKS | 512-byte sector LUKS device, rather |
| 20:24.30 | SerajewelKS | by changing the LUKS sector size to 4096 and redoing the test i got ~105MB/s |
| 20:25.13 | SerajewelKS | this explains the poor write performance i have on pretty much every system i have that uses LUKS. the defaults are bad for HDDs as most have 4096-byte sectors. (probably fine for SSDs). |
| 20:29.52 | SerajewelKS | it's even more frustrating that luksFormat will refuse to format a device where the device's size is not an exact multiple of the sector size. just warn me that the tail won't be used and format it, dangit. you actually have to resize partitions if they aren't an exact multiple. |
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| 20:34.47 | ryouma | i didn't understand that |
| 20:34.51 | ryouma | antto: could this be due to the unusual format of those archives? iirc it's 2 things in one. --- 11:51 <antto> initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive |
| 20:35.16 | ryouma | antto: if you are doing that manually |
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| 20:38.49 | ryouma | my notes say "it is an uncompressed cpio containing # microcode followed by a compressed cpio containing # initrd." |
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| 20:45.48 | flayer | hi |
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| 20:57.31 | EmptyMessage | hello |
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| 21:05.30 | blscoe | Hi community. In Gedit, how can I scroll past the end of a file? |
| 21:06.18 | mete | SerajewelKS, interesting thanks. that could be the issue on my last backup server, had also poor performance there with a raid0... |
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| 21:07.12 | SerajewelKS | mete: it's fun too that the manpage says that a sector size of 4096 will probably perform better on most devices. okay... so why isn't that the default!? |
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| 21:09.35 | jim | SerajewelKS, hi |
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| 21:12.12 | jim | I'm looking at the man page for imagemagick's import command, and it has the word "DESCRIPTION" in it, but it's missing an actual description... is that a documentation bug? |
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| 21:13.49 | jelly | SerajewelKS, aren't all the partitions 1MiB aligned with modern tools anyway |
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| 21:32.28 | SerajewelKS | jelly: the start but not the end |
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| 21:32.37 | diego-treitos | Hi, is anybody experiencing any problem with signing emails via neomutt in Debian 10? |
| 21:32.55 | diego-treitos | I am having an obscure error with no information and neomutt just reports "error signing data: General error?" |
| 21:33.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly: if you ask luksFormat to create a LUKS volume with a 4096 sector size on a device that isn't an exact multiple of 4096 bytes long, it just doesn't work. which is silly. |
| 21:34.05 | SerajewelKS | fdisk in particular doesn't seem to make any effort to align the end of a partition, just the start |
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| 21:55.27 | KoaX | i have an issue with vsftp, every time is specify chroot_local_user=YES in the config file, the service fails to start and says code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT |
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| 22:02.40 | ryouma | last time i checked, cfdisk/gfdisk didn't align the beginning, and fdisk and gdisk were the better choice for that at least |
| 22:03.08 | ryouma | (or similar; there was something fdisk did for alignment that was better) |
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| 22:56.53 | alexrelis[m] | Hey guys, so I'm trying to run this program and I'm getting this error: |
| 22:56.54 | alexrelis[m] | `error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` |
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| 22:57.35 | alexrelis[m] | I can't seem to find the proper Debian package to install that corresponds to this library. The best I can find is `libpng12-0`, but that is a packaged designed for Jessie.. not Buster. |
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| 22:57.46 | alexrelis[m] | package* |
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| 23:13.18 | EmptyMessage | You can get the .deb here |
| 23:13.18 | EmptyMessage | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/15108504 |
| 23:13.28 | EmptyMessage | it should install fine |
| 23:14.17 | EmptyMessage | The package from debian should install fine too |
| 23:14.17 | EmptyMessage | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libpng12-0/download |
| 23:15.03 | alexrelis[m] | EmptyMessage: Is that safe? I'm afraid of destroying my system and creating a frankendebian. |
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| 23:17.47 | EmptyMessage | Given that it is just 1 old library I cant imagine that it would ruin things, I have done that in the past, and so far it has never backfired |
| 23:17.58 | dvs | yet... |
| 23:18.02 | EmptyMessage | yet |
| 23:18.38 | EmptyMessage | its definately bad practice, but there are times when I make the decision that it is fine to do. It is up to your judgement |
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| 23:19.23 | alexrelis[m] | I'm very picky with these things. I'm the type of person where I strive for longevity with my system and even if it's fine, it will almost usually result in a crufty system because I always forget I installed it and forget to delete. |
| 23:20.07 | ryouma | should your bug be a known bug? |
| 23:21.12 | EmptyMessage | makes sense. Here is another solution that is a bit jankier, but could be safer. Libpng16 should be backwards compatabile with libpng12, so you could symlink libpng16 to libpng12 |
| 23:21.48 | alexrelis[m] | ryouma: You talking to me? I wouldn't say it's a bug, it's just a missing dependency for an external program I'm trying to run for one of my classes (Cisco Packet Tracer). |
| 23:22.12 | ryouma | oh external i missed that |
| 23:22.34 | ryouma | maybe you can compile it yourself? |
| 23:22.46 | ryouma | which might be good for learning |
| 23:22.54 | alexrelis[m] | ryouma: Unfortunately, Packet Tracer is a nonfree program. |
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| 23:23.13 | alexrelis[m] | Oh, are you talking about compiling libjpeg.so.8? |
| 23:23.24 | n4dir | you couldn't run that one program in an emulator or a chroot or such? |
| 23:23.36 | EmptyMessage | What is this class, it seems pretty interesting |
| 23:23.55 | alexrelis[m] | EmptyMessage: CCNA. It's a Cisco certification class. |
| 23:24.27 | alexrelis[m] | n4dir: Um.. I probably can, but never tried. Maybe I should. |
| 23:24.58 | n4dir | i like your approach to keep the system as long as possible. Hence i think that is what i would do. |
| 23:25.14 | ryouma | yes --- 16:23 <alexrelis[m]> Oh, are you talking about compiling libjpeg.so.8? |
| 23:25.14 | n4dir | if it borks the chroot or emulator-installation, just get rid of it. |
| 23:25.41 | n4dir | chroot is a bit of a brainfuck in the beginning, mainly if X is involved. |
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| 23:26.50 | ryouma | i find emulators and anything but a basic chroot to be a bit cumbersome to understand and remember and use, partly because of accessibilty in vms but also all sorts of options you have to figure out |
| 23:27.00 | n4dir | otoh i just looked at Virtualbox after a couple of years (when i used it all the time). Not as easy as i remembered it ... |
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| 23:27.33 | n4dir | ryouma: hence i made it a question instead of a proposal. |
| 23:27.52 | ryouma | yeah just amplifying that |
| 23:28.12 | n4dir | i got it that way :-) |
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| 23:31.54 | ryouma | on oldstable, without upgrading firefox-esr, it changed. it used to be that pressing and releasing alt would bring up the main menu. this does not occur any longer. |
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