| 00:00.14 | et09 | did you guys know "le debian" is an anagram for "deniable" |
| 00:00.29 | dvs | is not! |
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| 00:01.33 | FuzzyByte | et09: seen a space in deniable anywhere? |
| 00:01.41 | et09 | spaces dont count |
| 00:01.56 | et09 | s/\s//g |
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| 00:06.50 | alex11 | oh, sney, i forgot to add this drive's partition is 3.7 terrabytes, is ext2 still ok for it? i remember that size is a consideration |
| 00:11.04 | alex11 | i think i'll use ext4 just to be on the safe side |
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| 00:11.32 | alex11 | though that's quite possibly unnecessary paranoia |
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| 00:24.32 | alex11 | okay, new question, after making the ext4 file system i can't right click paste with thunar to drop files there |
| 00:24.58 | alex11 | because it was done as root maybe and i'm not allowed access with the unprivileged user? |
| 00:27.11 | petn-randall | alex11: You should be able to change those with `chown`. |
| 00:28.18 | alex11 | petn-randall, change it on the mountpoint? chown alex /mnt/test? |
| 00:30.43 | alex11 | petn-randall, chgroup as well? |
| 00:30.53 | alex11 | chgrp, sorry |
| 00:31.27 | alex11 | ah, there, think i fixed it |
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| 00:34.44 | alex11 | it doesn't seem to be working, i set the chown and chgrp and it still says root with permissions 700 |
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| 00:39.01 | alex11 | ah, i think i chowned the wrong thing |
| 00:39.45 | Psil0Cybin | :D |
| 00:39.56 | Psil0Cybin | happens just rm rf ~/ |
| 00:40.00 | Psil0Cybin | lol |
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| 00:40.44 | dvs | dumb move |
| 00:40.44 | petn-randall | alex11: Don't do that, sorry for the troll. |
| 00:40.48 | alex11 | yeah, i know |
| 00:40.59 | alex11 | let me just list the steps i'm doing |
| 00:41.49 | petn-randall | They even failed at trolling, that would delete "rf" and then fail because ~/ is a dir. |
| 00:41.58 | alex11 | 1) unmount, mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc2 2) mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt/testlol 3) chown alex /mnt/testlol 4) chgrp /mnt/testlol |
| 00:42.06 | alex11 | it seems to keep setting itself back to root |
| 00:42.13 | alex11 | sorry, 4) chgrp alex /mnt/testlol* |
| 00:42.13 | dvs | yeah, everyone knows it's.... *thwap* |
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| 00:44.21 | petn-randall | alex11: Are you running all commands as root? |
| 00:44.38 | alex11 | i am, let me try again |
| 00:45.10 | petn-randall | alex11: Do you get an error? |
| 00:45.26 | sney | make sure you are changing the ownership of the contents, not just the mount point. (I usually use -R so I'm sure that I got everything.) |
| 00:45.48 | petn-randall | alex11: btw, you can do 3+4 in one by running `chown alex. /mnt/testlol/`. |
| 00:46.31 | petn-randall | The trailing slash might make a difference. |
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| 00:47.58 | alex11 | well there we go, seems to work |
| 00:48.24 | alex11 | i can remove lost+found, right? i checked ls -a and it has nothing in it |
| 00:49.24 | sney | lost+found is an ext feature so there's no harm in leaving it in place |
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| 00:50.42 | alex11 | i assumed it would just reappear if required, that removing it doesn't prevent that functionality |
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| 00:50.55 | alex11 | which i think is correct, you're just saying i don't *have* to remove it |
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| 00:53.06 | dvs | "Here, you have it" "No, I insist" ... ;-P |
| 00:53.27 | Unit193 | petn-randall: Your key seems stuck, fyi. |
| 00:55.45 | alex11 | one other question, does copying as root take on root's permissions or does it preserve the attributes of what's already there |
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| 00:57.02 | petn-randall | Unit193: The auto_bleh functions didn't do what I expected. |
| 00:58.33 | alex11 | one other other question, when i restore my debian system using the same username as i have now i'll still be able to copy the files by hand, right? i'm not using tar because there's a lot i want to throw out |
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| 00:59.53 | petn-randall | Unit193: It's been so long that I've manually unbanned people that I had to look up the steps :) |
| 00:59.55 | alex11 | i just don't know if the UUIDs will be the same between systems |
| 01:00.13 | petn-randall | alex11: uid 1000 is usually the first unprivileged user on Debian systems. |
| 01:00.23 | alex11 | so it'll be ok, then |
| 01:00.25 | Unit193 | /ams -bo *!*@maskhere petn-randall ! :> |
| 01:01.44 | petn-randall | alex11: Yeah. Note that if you want to spend a little more time on backups, something like borgbackup will allow you to make incremental backups pretty fast. |
| 01:01.57 | petn-randall | Unit193: my auto_bleh.pl doesn't have /ams. |
| 01:02.53 | Unit193 | petn-randall: Huh, that sounds like a rather old version. I seem to have 1.9 but I think I'm a version behind. |
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| 01:06.28 | petn-randall | Unit193: Where did you find your copy? Mine seems to be 0.05 ... |
| 01:07.40 | alex11 | ah, ok, i see copying does take on the attributes of the user doing the copying |
| 01:08.16 | petn-randall | alex11: Yes, unless you are root. |
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| 01:08.56 | petn-randall | Or rather, unless you pass the right flags to `cp`. |
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| 01:26.48 | yanmaani | j #devuan |
| 01:27.10 | cybercrypto | fail :-) |
| 01:27.32 | yanmaani | think before you type :) |
| 01:27.49 | cybercrypto | that's what they say... |
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| 01:35.43 | alex11 | j #systemd |
| 01:35.47 | alex11 | oops :-) |
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| 01:37.07 | cybercrypto | alex11: try: /j #systemd sysctl -set-default pleaseletmein.target :-) |
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| 01:41.44 | couragetogrow | hello |
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| 01:42.14 | sney | hi |
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| 02:10.23 | Unit193 | petn-randall: https://code.launchpad.net/~krytarik/+git/autobleh |
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| 02:43.18 | arielfe | can someone please help me diagnose audio problems with my debian buster. been at it for the past week - and cant solve them... cant even understand whats going on. |
| 02:46.00 | jmcnaught | What are the problems? |
| 02:47.31 | arielfe | had sound - and suddenly its gone. |
| 02:47.49 | arielfe | my none root user is in the audio group and hes the only one there |
| 02:48.08 | arielfe | tried to remove and reinstall both alsa and pulse audio |
| 02:48.35 | arielfe | speakers are on. volume is on |
| 02:48.48 | arielfe | happened before |
| 02:49.01 | dvs | !buster pulseaudio |
| 02:49.23 | dvs | !pulseaudio timidity |
| 02:49.34 | dvs | !timidity pulseaudio |
| 02:49.35 | dpkg | Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package. |
| 02:49.41 | dvs | ah, tried that? |
| 02:49.56 | arielfe | i think i have - but just in case |
| 02:50.22 | arielfe | yup there is no timidity |
| 02:50.38 | jmcnaught | arielfe: do you see your sound card in pavucontrol? |
| 02:51.13 | arielfe | how do i run it? |
| 02:51.38 | sney | pavucontrol isn't installed by default anymore |
| 02:51.51 | sney | can you see your sound card in the output of *both* 'aplay -l' and 'pacmd list-sinks'? |
| 02:51.52 | dvs | yay! |
| 02:52.38 | arielfe | hmmm |
| 02:53.09 | arielfe | ill paste the results an a bin - they dont look right |
| 02:55.36 | arielfe | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KqQY6xmwFc/ |
| 02:55.47 | arielfe | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/C77PYb6JqK/ |
| 02:57.26 | dvs | So your audio is going to your monitor? |
| 02:58.26 | arielfe | sounds about right XD |
| 02:58.42 | sney | yeah, seems like the hdmi out got set as the default |
| 02:59.19 | arielfe | thank you dvs and sney |
| 02:59.23 | sney | in the kde pulseaudio widget on my system, (ymmv but most should be the same) I can click the volume icon, go to the 'devices' tab and select which device I want to be the default |
| 03:00.10 | arielfe | im using gnome - l think its the same |
| 03:00.19 | sney | and there's a sub-menu that lets me select ports. |
| 03:00.30 | arielfe | ah - havent seen that |
| 03:00.31 | sney | it should be the same because pulse is the same everywhere |
| 03:00.44 | sney | otherwise you can install pavucontrol and adjust it there |
| 03:04.11 | arielfe | ill try a reboot |
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| 03:09.43 | arielfe | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DrGqTmj9gC/ |
| 03:09.54 | arielfe | still no sound |
| 03:13.32 | sney | if you run 'journalctl --user -u pulseaudio' are there any errors? |
| 03:13.56 | sney | if you type shift-G that'll take you to the most recent entry |
| 03:14.50 | arielfe | no entries |
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| 03:15.35 | sney | when you are running journalctl with --user, that means it's for your user. therefore do not run it as root or use sudo |
| 03:16.05 | arielfe | tried both ways |
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| 03:16.37 | sney | it should at least say something about successfully starting pulseaudio. |
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| 03:17.20 | arielfe | ah |
| 03:17.36 | arielfe | i think i routed the error log to syslog |
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| 03:18.50 | sney | fine, are there any lines under pulseaudio or systemd regarding pulseaudio errors, or does it just say successfully started, etc? |
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| 03:19.04 | arielfe | assertion 'GVC_IS_MIXER_UI_DEVICE (device)' failed |
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| 03:19.33 | sney | does the date stamp correspond with the last time you tested audio? |
| 03:20.10 | arielfe | yup |
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| 03:21.14 | arielfe | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/SwkRTS9t3B/ |
| 03:21.49 | sney | run 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' and tell me if a) you hear the static and 2) you see the message in the same log again |
| 03:23.34 | arielfe | no sound. no message. |
| 03:24.01 | sney | the sound may be very quiet so try again with your volume cranked |
| 03:24.08 | arielfe | ok |
| 03:24.21 | arielfe | when i change the volume i see the error |
| 03:24.39 | sney | immediately when changing the volume? |
| 03:24.44 | arielfe | yup |
| 03:24.53 | arielfe | still no sound |
| 03:25.01 | sney | hrm. and the error is under what? |
| 03:25.25 | arielfe | gsd-media-keys[2277] |
| 03:26.22 | sney | oh, that might not be anything. if the volume levels shown under pacmd list are the same as the ones you're setting, it's probably just some control errata |
| 03:26.45 | arielfe | i see |
| 03:27.51 | sney | when you run the aplay test, do you get the Playing WAVE ... message? |
| 03:28.08 | arielfe | yes |
| 03:28.34 | arielfe | two new errors appeared: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Fp3xjX3VtM/ |
| 03:28.55 | sney | alright. that test is the most basic thing we have. it feeds a wav file directly to your sound driver. if you aren't getting sound there, then it's pretty low-level. |
| 03:29.18 | sney | GL stuff is video, not directly relevant |
| 03:29.28 | arielfe | i see |
| 03:30.10 | arielfe | i'm using proprietary nvidia drivers for my gtx-1060 |
| 03:30.32 | sney | that won't affect audio from a separate device |
| 03:30.43 | arielfe | ok i se |
| 03:30.45 | arielfe | see |
| 03:31.43 | sney | any missing/load failure messages if you 'dmesg |grep -i firmware'? |
| 03:32.16 | sney | this is a shot in the dark though, I've never seen intel hda need firmware and the driver does seem to be loaded |
| 03:32.25 | sney | tbh at this point I suspect a hardware fault. particularly if it did work once |
| 03:34.07 | arielfe | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VZP2Jd7dKT/ |
| 03:34.13 | arielfe | i see |
| 03:34.41 | sney | i915 is intel video and r8169 is wired ethernet. neither relevant |
| 03:34.58 | arielfe | thought so |
| 03:35.07 | arielfe | so its hardware then probably? |
| 03:35.16 | sney | heh, I just looked at my system and we have the exact same sound controller. ALC887-VD. definitely no firmware required and this one is working fine, not that that helps you |
| 03:35.22 | sney | yes hardware is my diagnosis |
| 03:35.28 | arielfe | hehe |
| 03:35.59 | arielfe | i see - thank you! you saved me a lot of time that i dont have |
| 03:36.12 | sney | np. try a usb device, that shouldn't be affected |
| 03:36.34 | arielfe | this sound card is part of the motherboard right? no way to take it out |
| 03:36.48 | sney | I can't see your computer but that's usually true |
| 03:36.57 | sney | you can probably disable it in the bios though |
| 03:37.24 | arielfe | and then it wont interfere with any external card ill buy? |
| 03:37.49 | sney | it won't interfere anyway, but if you disable it, that'll make things easier yes |
| 03:37.56 | arielfe | awesome |
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| 03:39.22 | arielfe | thank you again - you really helped me. and its a very critical time for me. appreciate it! |
| 03:39.27 | sney | np |
| 03:39.38 | arielfe | :) |
| 03:40.01 | arielfe | See you sney and have a good night/day |
| 03:40.16 | sney | waves |
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| 03:54.22 | wikan | hi :) |
| 03:55.36 | wikan | do you know why pulseaudio is so so so so much annoying? For 3 or 4 days was ok. But again it starts to act abnormal. Now pulse started muted. |
| 03:56.38 | wikan | Before pulse couldn't detect headphones so default device was "Speaker" but wasn't play because headphones were plugged |
| 03:56.48 | wikan | why pulse can't work normal :| |
| 03:57.14 | Alexandrov | Did you run any update? |
| 03:57.15 | wikan | i removed it because I has enough but new firefox requires it so... :| |
| 03:57.21 | wikan | nope |
| 03:57.32 | Alexandrov | did you changed any settings? |
| 03:57.39 | wikan | didn't touch anything |
| 03:57.43 | Alexandrov | any of its settings |
| 03:57.50 | Alexandrov | do you update the firefox? |
| 03:58.07 | Alexandrov | which channel of Firefox are you in? Aurora? |
| 03:58.27 | Alexandrov | pls check your /etc/apt/ |
| 03:58.36 | wikan | just 10 minutes ago I loged out and logged in and didn't hear any sound. So I checked pavucontrol and it shoewd "Estabilishing connection to server..." |
| 03:58.53 | wikan | so I restarted system and pulse started muted |
| 03:59.16 | wikan | I downloaded firefox from website |
| 03:59.54 | Alexandrov | Wait, let me see |
| 04:00.30 | wikan | btw. pulse muted soundcard and alsa didn't work too |
| 04:01.12 | Alexandrov | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 04:01.17 | Alexandrov | Raise this issue here |
| 04:01.48 | Alexandrov | Have you raised it? Just copy and paste what we were discussing so that the team will pick this up |
| 04:01.56 | wikan | I think pulse checks devices on first run and remember it. This is why I had have not problems with headphones for 4 days, because I installed pulse with headphones plugged in |
| 04:02.06 | wikan | before headphones where plugged out |
| 04:02.26 | wikan | let me observe this for few next hours |
| 04:02.40 | wikan | i will log in and log out many times yet ;) |
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| 04:34.36 | EdePopede | wikan: wgeb it didn't detect your headphones, did you do the obvious? (i hate it, but... did you unplug it and plug it in again?) |
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| 04:34.47 | EdePopede | s/wgeb/when/ |
| 04:35.32 | EdePopede | i have the issue sometimes, 2 PCs and a single sound system, sometimes it just switches to digital output where i don't have any hardware at all, and here it helps. |
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| 04:46.00 | wikan | EdePopede: yes did it, doesn't work |
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