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| 06:08.47 | wowas | Hello! |
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| 06:09.30 | wowas | i installed debian with the installer on md0 (software raid). How ever, if i unplug the first disk, the machine wont boot. It does not even load grub. |
| 06:09.36 | wowas | any hints about this? |
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| 06:16.50 | jelly | wowas, you probably need a boot loader on the second disk. If the machine is booting in UEFI mode you also probably need a second EFI system partition (and it's not a good idea to have two of those, I hear) |
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| 06:17.47 | jelly | if it's booting in legacy mode, installing grub on second disk is safe enough |
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| 06:18.36 | jelly | md raid will prevent data loss; as you can see, no promise about keeping the system bootable |
| 06:18.57 | wowas | okay, so it does not mirror the disks 1:1? |
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| 06:21.49 | jelly | it mirrors the parts that are mirror members. If you only have two disks and they're bootable, that's probably just two matching partitions and not the whole disks |
| 06:22.14 | jelly | lsblk output will be useful |
| 06:22.50 | jelly | also, cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 06:23.41 | jelly | so in general, not whole disks, no. You can do it that way but then it's very hard to also keep one or both of those disks bootable |
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| 06:30.48 | dominix | hi everyone, I got a strange problem on a strech VM. I can not use ipv6 (tunnel sit 6to4) |
| 06:30.56 | dominix | tunnel goes up |
| 06:31.20 | dominix | I have an ipv6 address , but not ping6 at all |
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| 06:32.03 | dominix | I have tried a tcpdump with the address on the other ipv4 ... and nothing |
| 06:32.35 | foul_owl_ | What is a good alarm clock program for debian? There used to be one I used for jessie but after upgrading sadly it seems to be gone |
| 06:32.47 | dominix | my provider is huricane electric |
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| 06:37.41 | dominix | is there special setting in sysctl to present (or absent) for this to work |
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| 06:38.55 | jelly | not really, what kind of virtualization is used for that VM? |
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| 06:39.25 | dominix | proxmox (kvm) |
| 06:39.53 | dominix | interface are bridged to a valid lan and router |
| 06:41.03 | jelly | dunno, HE tunnel works on my kvm VM somewhere |
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| 06:43.11 | dominix | I got others VM with HE ipv6 without problem (on ubuntu focal) |
| 06:43.31 | dominix | settings are quite the same anyway. |
| 06:44.05 | dominix | but only my stretch fail to set-up the tunnel. |
| 06:45.05 | dominix | the think is : if I tcpdump on my external ipv4 interface, i can not see any packet flowing to the other side of the tunnel |
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| 06:45.46 | dominix | when I do this on my focal machine I can see some packet ipv4 wih some ipv6 inside ... |
| 06:45.48 | hegemoOn | hello i guess the bash deb packet is not compiled with syslog support ? |
| 06:45.57 | dominix | but not on my stretch machine. |
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| 07:00.24 | jelly | dominix, if you ping the tunnel peer, can you see that traffic w/ tcpdump? |
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| 08:49.00 | oxek | why does the default PATH on debian include both /usr/bin and /bin? They point to the same place. Doesn't that mean that command lookups happen twice? |
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| 08:49.10 | oxek | This is the default PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 08:49.35 | oxek | and for root user, PATH is /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 08:49.56 | oxek | where it once again duplicates /usr/bin and /bin, and the same for /usr/sbin and /sbin |
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| 08:52.21 | Unit193 | They only point to the same place on merged-usr systems, eg for me they are not. |
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| 08:52.53 | rhj_ | is anybody recieving me? |
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| 08:55.53 | srged | are there skins for LXMusic ? |
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| 09:06.22 | oxek | Unit193: would it be useful if I modified whatever is initially setting PATH to first check if the system is running merged /usr? |
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| 09:17.57 | blebz | Does anyone know where the config files are for Apache on a default install of buster... I want to change the folder that Apache is looking for for .html files etc. |
| 09:18.10 | blebz | Whats the best way to re-config Apache.. |
| 09:18.29 | blebz | I asked it to be installed when I set-up server... |
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| 09:19.35 | H4ndy | default config location on Debian is always /etc |
| 09:19.55 | blebz | I see.. |
| 09:19.59 | H4ndy | not sure for apache, but probably /etc/apache2 or /etc/httpd (haven't used Apache in years) |
| 09:20.21 | H4ndy | then you must edit the vhost config to move the document root somewhere else |
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| 09:22.47 | blebz | Thats great.. I think I found the congig file now.. thank you :o) |
| 09:24.07 | jelly | blebz, don't change master defaults, set up a new VirtualHost and set DocumentRoot there |
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| 09:25.11 | jelly | blebz, zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 09:25.34 | jelly | and in general, if there's a README.Debian it's a good idea to read it |
| 09:25.37 | jelly | !readme.debian |
| 09:25.38 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 09:26.10 | blebz | OK thanks jelly |
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| 09:36.16 | blebz | Hmm.. the thing is though I want to change the document root cos I physically want to have my Webdocz on a different HD (raid) not on the system disk. |
| 09:37.07 | blebz | I'm starting to think maybe I should have said no when installing Debian (to installing webserver) then maybe I would have had more control over it's config.. |
| 09:38.43 | ksk | blebz: eh? Debian webservers tend to use the "sites-enabled/-available" construct, so; You go do: "cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; cp default $my-domain; cd ../sites-enabled; rm default; ln -s ../sites-available/$domain .; edit domain accoringly; systemctl restart apache2" |
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| 09:39.03 | ksk | please check the commands before copy-pasting. |
| 09:39.24 | blebz | Oh.. so I can set where the files are kept for each virtual host? |
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| 09:40.18 | ksk | You could do anything you wanted.. The default is to place a file in "sites-available" (start with a copy of the default config) |
| 09:40.46 | ksk | there is also the "a2ensite / a2Iforgot" helper tool, that creates the symlinks to "sites-enabled" for you |
| 09:41.13 | blebz | OK, that's great thanks :o) |
| 09:43.24 | H4ndy | that is only the config file, the document root for each vhost is completely separate and can be any folder on your system |
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| 10:53.26 | oxek | which package produces /etc/profile in debian? |
| 10:53.37 | oxek | it's a config file, so apt-file was of no help |
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| 10:57.06 | ratrace | that's for bourne-compatible shells. could be in post-inst of shells |
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| 11:25.57 | bs0d | Hi all. How to get the latest version of Thunderbird for Debian? My repository has version 68 |
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| 11:28.03 | jelly | ,v thunderbird |
| 11:28.04 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:68.9.0-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:68.9.0-1~deb9u1; stretch: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:68.10.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:68.10.0-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:68.11.0-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 1:68.11.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:68.11.0-3; sid: 1:68.11.0-3; experimental: |
| 11:28.05 | judd | 1:78.1.1-1 |
| 11:28.52 | ratrace | 78 should arrive with the next ESR update I think. Thunderbird is only ESR anyway |
| 11:29.11 | bs0d | what is ESR? |
| 11:30.05 | ratrace | Extended Support Release |
| 11:30.25 | bs0d | Oh, I see. Is there anything known when the nest ESR update will take place? |
| 11:30.26 | ratrace | firefox (and thunderbird) have ESR releases which are kinda like LTS releases |
| 11:30.49 | ratrace | when the current EOLs. I think for Firefox that's coming up now in september |
| 11:30.52 | jelly | it will be there when it's ready |
| 11:32.17 | bs0d | Are there any other repositories where I could grab Thunderbird 78 before the ESR? |
| 11:34.14 | ratrace | not really unless you count packages via snaps or flatpaks. why do you need 78 anyway? |
| 11:35.10 | bs0d | I need any version greater than 77, as it introduced OAuth2 authentication which I need to set up my email account |
| 11:35.40 | bs0d | another option would be to get another mail client, but I am used to Thunderbird, and haven't used anything else, to be honest |
| 11:38.04 | bs0d | so these snaps and flatpacks - are they alternatives to apt? I've never used those, but I will google if I can use them to get Thunderbird |
| 11:38.55 | ratrace | they're containerized application package managers. a way to install software as pre-made containers so it doesn't mess with the rest of your system |
| 11:39.21 | ratrace | there's a snap of thunderbird, but it's not official. caveat emptor. dunno about flatpak |
| 11:40.11 | ratrace | snaps and flaptaks are their own "stores" or hubs, kinda like dockerhub. it's software packaged outside of debian repos, outside of debian QA and testing. |
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| 11:40.44 | fireba11 | and quite a few people don't like them ;-) |
| 11:41.17 | ratrace | yeah, me included, but I'd use them if I really needed some software and couldn't install it in any other way |
| 11:41.34 | ratrace | they DO solve some problems. |
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| 11:55.25 | fireba11 | hipster-tech: solve n problems, create m problems (m>n) :-D |
| 11:56.40 | bs0d | thanks for advice! I will look into snap. |
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| 12:03.44 | tartar | when i build a relatively large project, during some stages, debian literally freezes probably because of cpu load |
| 12:03.49 | tartar | how can i prevent that? |
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| 12:05.03 | ratrace | tartar: by finding the cause of the freeze. is it just temporariy unresponsiveness, or hard lock. is there anythign in the dmesg or journal when that happens. |
| 12:05.13 | tartar | lol even the network drops |
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| 12:05.54 | tartar | ratrace, im not entirely sure. dmesg shows some warnings like CPU11: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) |
| 12:05.55 | ratrace | try tailing dmesg (with -T -w, not `tail`) while you build and see if it'll spit anything out. also, is that perchance the first gen and zen1 cpu? |
| 12:05.58 | ratrace | *amd |
| 12:06.11 | tartar | it's an i7-8700k |
| 12:06.52 | ratrace | core i7 has a treshold at 100°C, can't remember if it's hard lock or temporary lock, or just throttling |
| 12:07.17 | ratrace | but sure, check the temps. maybe the cooler needs undusting, and/or thermal paste reapplied. I do that yearly on my computers. |
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| 12:11.10 | tartar | looks like the temp is the issue |
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| 12:15.52 | tartar | also the temps are mid 90s C |
| 12:16.17 | tartar | why would this even happen with a decent cpu cooler |
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| 12:19.35 | tartar | god damn it. |
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| 12:23.52 | tartar | ? |
| 12:25.12 | ratrace | tartar: is it clogged with dust? do you need to reapply thermal paste? |
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| 12:25.16 | ratrace | you should, both, once a year. |
| 12:25.36 | tartar | no dust |
| 12:25.42 | ratrace | or more than once a year to undust it, if the computer is in a particularly dusty spot |
| 12:25.59 | tartar | i didn't reapply thermal paste in a couple of years |
| 12:26.23 | tartar | judging by the sound i think the fan isn't working as hard as it should with those temps |
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| 12:27.16 | ratrace | are you sure there's no dust? it's near impossible to have no dust at all. did you actually remove the cooler to clean it without reapplying the paste? |
| 12:27.24 | jelly | you probably want to avoid running at 90C for months, my i3 CPU got unstable after that and only worked stable if just a single core was running |
| 12:27.46 | tartar | i didn't remove the cooler |
| 12:27.56 | ratrace | then you probably didn't undust it properly. |
| 12:28.12 | tartar | jelly, that's just for some minutes when compiling something |
| 12:28.22 | tartar | ratrace, i' |
| 12:28.31 | tartar | i've seen dusty pcs, this isn't dusty |
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| 12:28.58 | jelly | tartar, oh, what's the idle temp like? More than 40-45C? |
| 12:29.26 | ratrace | even if you don't see (much) dust inside, it'll get stuck in the very tiny spaces between cooler fins and you can't see those until you remove the fan, remove the cooler and look with a light background |
| 12:29.33 | tartar | jelly, about 40, and probably lower (it's been at around 100 for some minutes now, so it'll take a few minutes to cool) |
| 12:29.49 | jelly | that sounds okay |
| 12:30.01 | tartar | ratrace, and THAT would make it overheat to 100c and throttle? |
| 12:30.09 | ratrace | except the 100°C part. under load, i7 shouldn't get over ~90 under normal conditions |
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| 12:35.40 | certaindestiny | Hi all, i am having a small issue with udhcpc on Kali, I asked on the kali IRC and they told me to come here since the package orginates here. currently whenever i try to get a default route on WWAN0 using udhcpc -i wwan0 i do not get the default route pushed if ETH0 is connected. |
| 12:35.59 | certaindestiny | i can see in the DHCP packets that the route (option 3) is being sent by the DHCP server |
| 12:36.41 | ksk | !kali |
| 12:36.41 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 12:38.44 | certaindestiny | ksk, i asked on kali-linux and they told me to ask here if it is a known issue. If you do not know or feel like it is not the correct place to ask please do tel me in a more polite matter than calling kali. |
| 12:39.10 | ratrace | there's nothing impolite here |
| 12:39.12 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 12:39.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:39.16 | jelly | certaindestiny, our channel and #kali-linux channel have incompatible policies. |
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| 12:40.51 | jelly | certaindestiny, they say anything that is imported unchanged from Debian should be solved in Debian; we say we don't deal with _ANY_ issue in a derivative distro, because it's impossible for us to know the interactions between changed and unchanged parts and differences in the environment. |
| 12:41.23 | certaindestiny | ratrace. The polite way would have been to to provide some text and explanation instead of only calling kali, i do not disagree with the policy i disagree with the way it is communicated to me |
| 12:41.40 | jelly | both points of view have some merit, but the end result is you get help nowhere |
| 12:42.02 | jelly | certaindestiny, if you can reproduce the same issue with an actual Debian installation we can try to help. |
| 12:42.04 | ratrace | certaindestiny: but you're not the first nor the last to ask about derivatives. we just grew too tired typing up same things over and over again, hence the factoid |
| 12:43.18 | jelly | if it were isc-dhcp-client I'd say look at the config file |
| 12:43.42 | ratrace | besides, the factoid nicely and politely explains we can't provide support and gives alternative means for kali. if that's not polite, what is? a perfumed letter in gold framed stationery delivered by a penguin cosplayer? |
| 12:43.51 | ksk | certaindestiny: while I partly do unsterstand what you are trying to say, please also understand me/us: People do ask such questions regularly, and I dont really want to write my own text containing the same information anytime. |
| 12:44.18 | ksk | s/anytime/everytime |
| 12:44.40 | certaindestiny | jelly, thanks. seems like i am once again in no-mans land.i do not think udhcpc is based in the isc client version but perhaps somebody knows |
| 12:44.50 | jelly | no, it's a different beast |
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| 12:45.42 | jelly | certaindestiny, ##linux channel will however accept questions for any distro |
| 12:45.43 | certaindestiny | ratrace, The polite thing would have been to let me ask in the off change that somebody in this IRC has ran into the same issue either debian or another distro. Only stating the factoid does not want me to be a part of this IRC. |
| 12:46.41 | ratrace | so I guess you don't understand what the factoid is saying. |
| 12:47.03 | ratrace | the part about how we can't know what derivatives do, and thus can't offer a solution |
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| 12:47.19 | certaindestiny | ksk, as long as debian is an upstream distro that will happen. |
| 12:47.47 | ksk | and we will keep the !distro triggers ;) |
| 12:47.50 | jelly | it's a much rehashed point, and perhaps the wording for some of those lenght-limited factoids can be improved |
| 12:48.07 | oxek | how difficult is it to fix https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=958614 ? I'd be sad if this package was removed. |
| 12:48.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/958614 in src:nyancat (open): «nyancat: Build-Depends on deprecated dh-systemd which is going away»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-04-23; last modified: 2020-08-18. |
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| 12:48.34 | jelly | oxek, probably not very much |
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| 12:49.13 | certaindestiny | ratrace, There is no way everbody in this IRC only has experience with debian and no other software at all. As it is related there is chance of somebody knowing the answer and since i am finding now help except a bug from 2013 i am going to ask. |
| 12:49.31 | certaindestiny | no* |
| 12:49.56 | Haohmaru | certaindestiny this is a highly topical channel |
| 12:49.58 | ratrace | but it's offtopic. |
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| 12:50.10 | ksk | certaindestiny: and as someone stated, for example the ##linux channel on this network would be suitable for such an approach. It is not in here. |
| 12:50.10 | Haohmaru | and there are a ton of people on it |
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| 12:50.46 | ratrace | or else let's just invite the entire #ubuntu here, I'm sure they'd appreciate the expertise. |
| 12:50.52 | jelly | certaindestiny, we actively enforce the topic. If said "somebody" knows the answer they can talk to you in some _other_ channel or in PM, not here |
| 12:50.55 | Haohmaru | certaindestiny even "debian testing" (that is the next version) is NOT supported here, only the stable (and previous stable) version |
| 12:51.28 | jelly | people on irc can join multiple channels at the same time |
| 12:51.55 | Haohmaru | and multiple networks.. debian-next has a channel on another network |
| 12:51.58 | ksk | certaindestiny: a workaround could certainly be: Install Debian Buster, reproduce the Issue -> report back to us (or the bugtracker, or ..) |
| 12:52.08 | certaindestiny | the more people the more chance. and i am not going to ask 50 million times. i asked once and i understand the policy, however i do not like the response i got. thats all |
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| 12:53.42 | Haohmaru | the first debian i installed was debian-next, when i quickly got stuck, i came here to ask for help, i was also immediately told to GTFO and go to the debian-next channel on OFTC, i didn't like it |
| 12:54.08 | Haohmaru | when it broke, i installed debian stable, and now i am allowed to be here ;P~ |
| 12:54.29 | ratrace | I still don't see what's wrong with the factoid. it points at #kali-linux, at their forum, points at more factoids explaining why this is a problem, and a guide on asking questions. is there something missing? |
| 12:54.39 | certaindestiny | i am keeping with the. if dont have anything polite to say, say nothing at all. |
| 12:55.03 | greycat | We can definitely arrange that you can say nothing at all. |
| 12:55.22 | ratrace | lmao |
| 12:55.40 | Haohmaru | ratrace i'd think people would first go in the linux channel, and/or maybe in their distribution's channel, ask there, listen to the <crickets.wav> for hours, get semi-pissed off and start asking in any "linux-like" channel until they end up here, and here it's very alive |
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| 12:56.06 | ratrace | Haohmaru: but that's impolite! |
| 12:56.13 | Haohmaru | what's impolite? |
| 12:56.24 | TuxCrazy | how stable is LibreOffice from Debian backports? |
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| 12:56.30 | ratrace | Haohmaru: what you said |
| 12:56.31 | certaindestiny | ratrace, the problem is not with the factoid but the way it is presented. if i am not allowed to ask if this is a know issue on a upstream distro how am i supposed to find out |
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| 12:56.45 | greycat | !bts |
| 12:56.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 12:56.56 | greycat | If it's a known issue in a Debian package, there should be a bug for it. |
| 12:58.11 | ratrace | certaindestiny: or you could just say "Yaeh, I know this is Kali, but anyone knows if this is a problem on Debian?" and save a lot of kilojoules whining whether raising a factoid is impolite... nobody said anything else, or was abrasive, and the factoid itself is polite and informative. |
| 12:58.21 | jelly | ratrace, you're missing the fact that #kali-linux will actively punt a user back here if they think the problem is with a piece they imported from Debian as-is |
| 12:58.22 | certaindestiny | should and are, different worlds. |
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| 12:58.37 | ratrace | jelly: so _they_ are the impolite lot in this story? :) |
| 12:59.10 | jelly | ratrace, their policy is incompatible with ours. It's not necessarily bad. |
| 12:59.11 | certaindestiny | ratrace, is that not the exact thing i did in my message. |
| 12:59.44 | jelly | ratrace, but don't go argue about it in #kali-linux, you might get permabanned. Ask me how I know! :-D |
| 13:00.09 | ratrace | jelly: you got...... permabanned :) |
| 13:00.23 | Haohmaru | was it a polite ban? |
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| 13:01.47 | ratrace | certaindestiny: sorry, I don't see you specifically stating, along the lines of, "I know this is kali, but is this an issue on debian stable too?". your question implied you're asking because "kali is just debian" as a lot of people tend to think, hence the factoid. I mean it's not your fault, it's just that a LOT of (skiddie) folks comes to ask about Kali issues. hence the trigger |
| 13:02.02 | ratrace | goes back on topic |
| 13:02.15 | greycat | "I'm using Kail version x. I have a problem with pkg y. I could not find a Debian bug for my issue, so I installed Debian 10 and reproduced the issue. Here are the symptoms: ____" |
| 13:02.17 | Haohmaru | and not just Kali |
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| 13:02.45 | ratrace | and not just Kali, yaeh. |
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| 13:03.01 | Haohmaru | "but, but, but.. Ubuntu is debian" |
| 13:03.02 | greycat | Kali, Ubuntu, MX and Parrot are the biggest offenders. |
| 13:03.36 | ratrace | even in that order of frequency, lol. |
| 13:03.37 | TuxCrazy | greycat, why? why do you call them offenders? |
| 13:03.44 | certaindestiny | ratrace, Like i said. since debian is upstream that is logical thing to do. But getting a come back where you came from wench response withing a couple of seconds is not they way i would welcome people to my IRC. even if they are way out of topic |
| 13:03.46 | greycat | Because they offend us. |
| 13:04.01 | ratrace | we're.... triggered :) |
| 13:04.10 | Haohmaru | TuxCrazy they waste lots of times often, by hiding (even actively) the fact that they aren't actuall running Debian stable |
| 13:04.38 | certaindestiny | haohmaru, Next time ill try that ;) |
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| 13:04.54 | TuxCrazy | Haohmaru, distros like MX Linux aren't running Debian stable? |
| 13:04.55 | Haohmaru | and then, you will have zero right to say that you've been offended |
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| 13:05.14 | greycat | TuxCrazy: See? |
| 13:05.44 | greycat | TuxCrazy: Correct. MX Linux is NOT debian and is NOT supported here. MX Linux questions are NOT on topic here, and we will NOT answer them. |
| 13:06.13 | Haohmaru | TuxCrazy if it's not called "Debian stable" and doesn't come from debian.org or its mirrors, it's probably not supported here |
| 13:06.22 | Haohmaru | that includes "Debian Next" even |
| 13:06.35 | TuxCrazy | ok |
| 13:06.48 | Haohmaru | even tho, after some time, Next will become Stable |
| 13:06.56 | TuxCrazy | can we use Debian backports on Debian stable? |
| 13:07.00 | Haohmaru | yes |
| 13:07.11 | greycat | When testing is fully frozen, we tend to support it here, briefly. |
| 13:07.12 | TuxCrazy | what are the risks associated with that? |
| 13:07.16 | ratrace | it's normal for various software/community/distro components to have dedicated channels. cuts down the noise |
| 13:07.46 | greycat | TuxCrazy: the backported packages are basically snapshots of a non-stable package at a particular moment in time. It could have bugs, and those bugs might not be fixed any time soon. |
| 13:07.55 | Haohmaru | greycat i was roughly trying to show that it's not like we are specifically pissing off other distros |
| 13:08.04 | Haohmaru | and that the topicness is serious |
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| 13:08.10 | TuxCrazy | greycat, ok |
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| 13:11.08 | greycat | It's also worth noting that the presence of a backported package can sometimes cause issues during a release upgrade. Be prepared to remove (temporarily or permanently) any backported packages when going from Debian 10 to 11, etc. |
| 13:11.50 | Haohmaru | hmz |
| 13:12.01 | greycat | certaindestiny: you were muted because you threatened to come back in the future and pretend to be a Debian user to get help with your non-Debian operating system |
| 13:12.06 | Haohmaru | is debian 11 coming soon? |
| 13:12.15 | jelly | !wwbr |
| 13:12.15 | dpkg | from memory, wwbr is now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
| 13:12.16 | greycat | Not until next year, at the earliest. |
| 13:12.34 | greycat | There's a partial timeline on the wiki. |
| 13:12.38 | Haohmaru | okay, there's time till then |
| 13:13.21 | Haohmaru | debian10 btw, is pretty nice, it just f*cking works \o/ |
| 13:14.01 | Haohmaru | it looks more polished than 9 |
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| 13:15.45 | ratrace | shiny! |
| 13:16.27 | Haohmaru | tbh i didn't like the color tone of 9, this one looks moar pro |
| 13:18.44 | oxek | am I exposing myself to some obvious vulnerability by running nyancat-server on my server, or is it safe? |
| 13:18.57 | ratrace | Haohmaru: default artwork? |
| 13:19.14 | greycat | A lot of people let Debian pick a desktop for them, and they end up with GNOME. |
| 13:19.26 | Haohmaru | ratrace yes.. i use LXDE and i get these generic SVG backgrounds |
| 13:19.28 | greycat | And... whatever GNOME theme happens to be in use at the time. |
| 13:19.44 | Haohmaru | nonono, no gnome, i hate that h0rr0r |
| 13:20.17 | Haohmaru | i need sane titlebars |
| 13:20.39 | jelly | oxek, all software has bugs, at the very least opening a tcp service will allow for a possible DoS unless it has limits in place |
| 13:21.11 | jelly | what if someone's botnet opens a million connections to your nyancat port |
| 13:21.17 | Haohmaru | i'm scared to websearch that server |
| 13:21.25 | ratrace | hmm, I can't find the surveys page for Bullseye artwork... |
| 13:21.33 | ratrace | the link in mailinglist announcement doesn't work, https://surveys.debian.net/ |
| 13:21.53 | Haohmaru | the default wallpapers and stuff get voted for? |
| 13:22.00 | ratrace | yes |
| 13:22.02 | greycat | ,info nyancat |
| 13:22.04 | judd | Package nyancat (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Animated terminal Nyancat. Version: 1.5.1-1+build1~deb10u1; Size: 15.6k; Installed: 79k; Homepage: https://github.com/klange/nyancat; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/nyancat |
| 13:22.06 | Haohmaru | nice |
| 13:22.13 | ratrace | greycat: nyancat-server |
| 13:22.22 | greycat | oh lordy |
| 13:22.42 | jelly | previously available at telnet nyan.cat |
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| 13:23.01 | greycat | it was ... too popular? couldn't handle the demand? |
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| 13:23.17 | jelly | maybe it... had security holes? |
| 13:23.40 | ratrace | Haohmaru: got it. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Artwork/Bullseye |
| 13:23.47 | Haohmaru | if there's a cat involved - forget about security |
| 13:24.29 | Haohmaru | nice, it's not bad |
| 13:25.09 | ratrace | I thhought `nyancat` would rainbow-colorize the piped text, but that's `lolcat` ..... we have too many meemcats in packages. |
| 13:27.19 | ratrace | alias shortcat='/bin/gzip' ; alias longcat='/bin/gunzip' |
| 13:28.25 | greycat | (it's better not to hardcode the directory paths) |
| 13:29.25 | jelly | ratrace, obviously the next thing to do is fortune|cowsay|lolcat https://imgur.com/UYE5gqy |
| 13:29.31 | ratrace | I prefer that over running Dwarf Fortress instead of /usr/bin/df :) |
| 13:29.51 | ratrace | jelly: awesome! |
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| 13:30.25 | ratrace | in case the DF reference isn't clear.... https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade |
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| 13:30.46 | greycat | Ubuntu. Wondefful. |
| 13:30.59 | ratrace | but the cause of the problem is not 'buntu specific :) |
| 13:31.26 | ratrace | (installing ousside of package manager and adding it to PATH before system paths, is) |
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| 13:32.54 | greycat | some of the answers are cringeworthy. "sudo which"?! jeez. |
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| 13:35.13 | Haohmaru | it's because things like this ^ that i feel scared when i'm websearching debian stuff and only getting results from askubuntu |
| 13:35.50 | ratrace | sudo which, while dirty, is quickest wya to check bin/sbin pathing issues :) |
| 13:36.02 | greycat | That's going to happen a lot, so you need to live with it. Just double-check anything you read against common sense and the manuals. |
| 13:36.05 | ratrace | guilty of abusing that, myself |
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| 13:36.20 | jelly | sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH' is hard to type in, true |
| 13:36.56 | Haohmaru | greycat i know, thing is, i can't easily judge if it makes sense or not |
| 13:36.57 | ratrace | or sudo -i ; which <path> |
| 13:37.04 | jelly | ; exit |
| 13:37.05 | greycat | "sudo which" in Debian 10 would actually give you incorrect answers if you're actually doing "su" followed by "apt-get ..." |
| 13:37.21 | ratrace | (not on the same line, that ; wouldn't work) |
| 13:37.24 | Haohmaru | aren't we supposed to use "su -" ? |
| 13:37.33 | greycat | that's what They want you to use |
| 13:37.37 | jelly | /DISCO |
| 13:38.19 | Haohmaru | yeah, i'm not gonna read the askubuntu page |
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| 13:41.02 | oxek | talking of paths, I've successfully removed /bin and /sbin from /etc/profile on my system that has merged /usr |
| 13:41.25 | oxek | I probably gained a few % speed in looking up commands |
| 13:41.54 | jelly | that's not how hashes work! |
| 13:42.09 | greycat | I'm trying to imagine the Dwarf Fortress interface for system administration, and how it compared to the DOOM interface for killing processes. |
| 13:42.14 | oxek | hashes work only once the commands have been executed, no? |
| 13:42.45 | jelly | your shell keeps the executable paths in a hashed array of some sort |
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| 13:43.05 | greycat | "help hash" in bash |
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| 13:44.28 | greycat | "I set everything up to build the new service interface, but the dwarves ran out of booze and killed each other." |
| 13:44.55 | ratrace | lol |
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| 13:52.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi guys |
| 13:52.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | is this not the right way to write dban to disk>? |
| 13:52.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | dd if=./dban-2.3.0_i586.iso of=/dev/sdd |
| 13:52.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | it just will not put any data on the thing |
| 13:52.52 | greycat | what is "disk" in this case? also, what is dban? |
| 13:53.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | darik boot and nuke? |
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| 13:53.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | /dev/sdd |
| 13:53.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | usb disk |
| 13:53.35 | greycat | It's a hard drive in a USB enclosure? It's not a USB "stick" thingy? |
| 13:53.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | stick |
| 13:53.59 | greycat | Is "darik boot and nuke" compatible with being written to a USB stick? |
| 13:54.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | heck if i know greycat |
| 13:54.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | im leaning to no ... |
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| 13:54.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | Bus 001 Device 009: ID ffff:5678 |
| 13:54.33 | greycat | does it have, like, documentation? |
| 13:55.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely |
| 13:55.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | checking |
| 13:55.54 | greycat | I got as far as https://dban.org/help-center/ which talks about burning to a CD or DVD. |
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| 13:57.59 | greycat | It also mentions "USB flash drive" up higher, so at least that hardware did exist at the time some of the documentation was written. I guess you'll need to dig deeper. |
| 13:58.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 13:58.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | ill just do with debian live disk and DD |
| 13:58.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont need like NSA grade |
| 13:59.30 | hwm4rgs | i've ran dban from usb before, don't remember if i dd'd it or had rufus do its thing |
| 13:59.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | well ill try rufus |
| 13:59.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it nix? |
| 14:00.56 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: dd once will make your data near invisible even to NSA. "military-grade" wipe recommendations are to make wipes FutureProof(tm). ie. who knows what discoveries lie ahead |
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| 14:01.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did zero then urandom |
| 14:01.23 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: better than just dd, put your disk in a LUKS container and dd /dev/zero to it |
| 14:01.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | luks? |
| 14:01.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | i heard that name before. |
| 14:01.43 | ratrace | though these days apparently /dev/urandom is just as fast as AESNI accelerataed LUKS |
| 14:01.44 | greycat | If you have military grade secrets that you need to protect, do not try to 'wipe" the drive at all. Destroy it completely. |
| 14:01.47 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: encryption |
| 14:01.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 14:02.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | learning all the things |
| 14:02.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | most of the time i rip them apart and scratch em up |
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| 14:02.34 | ratrace | take your drives to a welding machine. nothing realigns ferromagnetic stuffs better than 90 amps driven through the chassis and plates :) |
| 14:02.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | but these i want to sell since they still good 2tb drives |
| 14:02.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | :) |
| 14:02.54 | jelly | ratrace, why is that better? metal platter disks typically do not optimize out written zeroes |
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| 14:03.42 | jelly | (some SSDs do) |
| 14:03.45 | ratrace | jelly: residual imperfections may give rise to detectable patterns if you apply zeroes uniformly. random data messes that up completely |
| 14:04.00 | ratrace | imperfections of magnetizing bits |
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| 14:04.33 | ratrace | think of it like afterimage, aftre you close your eyes. now appply random noise to that. |
| 14:04.38 | jelly | if you have a state-level adversary or someone willing to spend 5-7 figures to detect those patterns you probably need a bit better opsec than asking about best practice on irc |
| 14:05.14 | jelly | normal $2000 data recovery won't find anything after even a single pass of zeroes |
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| 14:05.18 | ratrace | how 'bout russian or chinese government scanning recycled/sold/thrown drives from western users and companies, in search of secrets? |
| 14:05.30 | jelly | see above. |
| 14:05.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | meh if they spend that much money on little of me they got bigger problems.. |
| 14:05.41 | greycat | yeah, the chinese government wants all your pirated MP3s. |
| 14:05.41 | ratrace | jelly: you don' thave to be a specific target for that |
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| 14:05.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ^^ right greycat |
| 14:05.55 | ratrace | I've heard they scan and take any data they can, and use it in any way they can |
| 14:06.12 | ratrace | my server farm's ssh privkey is a secret I don't want made available because I threw out my drives. |
| 14:06.26 | jelly | again: if your data is that important, you need better opsec than asking about it in #d |
| 14:06.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | easy peasy crush it with your car ratrace |
| 14:06.52 | ratrace | they don't want my data, they don't know how I am. but if they had my ssh privkey? would they erase it because I'm a nobody to them? |
| 14:06.57 | ratrace | *who I am |
| 14:08.21 | jelly | "breaking news: hackers wipe out and cryptolock dozens of US banks and also ratrace's irc bouncer" |
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| 14:09.07 | ratrace | jelly: heh, how about GDPR protected private data of 50k+ citizens? |
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| 14:09.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok what did i do wrong with samba now |
| 14:09.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | Failed to start media-sync_misc.mount: Unit -.mount is masked. |
| 14:09.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | it hate me |
| 14:09.45 | greycat | -.mount is a reference to the root file system |
| 14:09.51 | ratrace | names, addresses, emails, password hashes (and the yprobably reuse passwords), phone numbers, some financial transaction records, etc.... that would be available if my server farm ssh privkey leaked. |
| 14:10.31 | jelly | you probably shouldn't collect all that just to provide irc bouncers! |
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| 14:29.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i see this â -.mount masked active mounted Root Mount |
| 14:29.23 | yanmaani | disk wiping is extremely overrated |
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| 14:29.41 | yanmaani | people say all sorts of insane shit and overwrite it 300 million times because of superstition |
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| 14:29.55 | another | ssd wiping is... complicated |
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| 14:29.58 | greycat | I've heard of -.mount becoming masked, a few times, but I am really unclear *why* it happens. |
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| 14:30.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | systemctl -- enable -.mount |
| 14:30.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | Failed to enable unit: Unit file /run/systemd/system/-.mount is masked. |
| 14:30.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | selinux? |
| 14:30.59 | yanmaani | another: that's a different story, but the HDD stuff is just insane. A lot of it is from simpler times |
| 14:31.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | i been messing with that |
| 14:31.04 | greycat | you probably want to unmask it |
| 14:31.05 | yanmaani | when hard drives were much lower density |
| 14:31.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | how? |
| 14:31.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh unamsk command... |
| 14:31.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | feels dumb |
| 14:31.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | still masked |
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| 14:32.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | greycat: like this ? systemctl -- unmask -.mount |
| 14:32.56 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 14:33.03 | greycat | whatever works? I've never seen it. |
| 14:34.10 | diogenes_ | greycat, so you don't use systemd? |
| 14:35.07 | greycat | I do, but I've never had my -.mount get masked. |
| 14:35.57 | jelly | systemctl status -- -.mount ... seems to be active here |
| 14:37.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 14:40.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | Failed to start media-sync_apps.mount: Unit -.mount is masked. |
| 14:40.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | still cant |
| 14:40.22 | greycat | What error did you get when you tried to unmask it? |
| 14:40.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.38 | greycat | What did you learn when you googled "-.mount masked"? |
| 14:40.49 | greycat | Try moving the -- to the normal place? |
| 14:41.17 | greycat | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533933/systemd-cant-unmask-root-mount-mount |
| 14:41.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry not that fast today.. |
| 14:42.13 | greycat | one person said it was gparted, one person said they fixed it by rebooting |
| 14:42.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe i need to do that |
| 14:42.32 | greycat | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1191596/unit-mount-is-masked also reports it was gparted |
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| 14:43.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did have it open earlier |
| 14:44.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | not open now. |
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| 14:51.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys its for sure selinux |
| 14:51.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to add a few more rules for systemd and samba, i guess |
| 14:51.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | also bluetooth |
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| 15:16.31 | SerajewelKS | running into a fun issue with btrfs + systemd. related to https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1741 -- when doing "btrfs device replace" this can affect which device the system thinks is mounted. (btrfs always adjusts the mount table so that the device with the lowest device ID appears to be mounted, regardless of which device was actually used to mount the filesystem). |
| 15:17.42 | SerajewelKS | this means if i have a UUID= line in the fstab for a btrfs filesystem, and the /dev/disk/by-uuid/... symlink points to a device that _isn't_ the lowest device id in the btrfs volume, systemd will not auto-mount it. even worse, if manually mounted, systemd will automatically unmount it. |
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| 15:18.04 | SerajewelKS | listing a specific device instead of a UUID has the same issue -- if the device with the lowest ID is replaced later, systemd will immediately unmount the fs when replacement is complete. |
| 15:18.13 | SerajewelKS | what's the workaround for this? |
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| 15:24.02 | jelly | how did fedora solve that, if still true |
| 15:24.30 | SerajewelKS | no idea. systemd seems to lazy-unmount too. |
| 15:24.40 | jelly | I heard f32 defaulted to btrfs |
| 15:24.47 | SerajewelKS | which might even succeed for / and then the whole system is in a state where / can't be remounted until reboot |
| 15:25.22 | jelly | well one does not tend to remount / that often. anyway |
| 15:25.56 | SerajewelKS | doesn't matter... if your / is on a multi-device btrfs volume and you replace the device with the lowest device id, systemd will lazy-unmount / |
| 15:26.03 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure what implications that has but they can't be good |
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| 15:27.27 | SerajewelKS | the problem seems to stem from the fact that udev and /dev/disk/by-uuid assume that uuids are actually unique at the device level, which isn't true for btrfs |
| 15:27.35 | cluonbeam | jelly: f32 still defaults to xfs, afaik |
| 15:27.42 | SerajewelKS | only one physical disk can "own" a UUID in the udev world |
| 15:27.44 | cluonbeam | ext4 for /boot, xfs for everything else. |
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| 15:29.07 | SerajewelKS | the solution seems to be to comment out the line in fstab and "systemctl daemon-reload" before doing any kind of reshaping of btrfs |
| 15:29.34 | SerajewelKS | then making sure that /dev/disk/by-uuid points at the lowest btrfs device before putting it back into fstab |
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| 15:29.56 | SerajewelKS | but in the case of a device unexpectedly disappearing, i guess you better hope it's not the lowest device id |
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| 15:37.58 | jelly | cluonbeam, oh, that's sane and reasonably conservative, nice |
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| 15:44.35 | cluonbeam | jelly: Key word is the 'afaik' ;) |
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| 16:05.48 | another | fedora 33 is gonna have btrfs as default |
| 16:06.11 | dvs | O_O |
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| 16:08.01 | another | https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2429 |
| 16:08.34 | ratrace | old news but yeah, good news |
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| 16:13.23 | oxek | obligatory question, btrfs-by-default-on-debian-when? |
| 16:13.42 | diogenes_ | hopefully never |
| 16:14.20 | spigot | looking for a vnc server that shares an existing X server, found tigervnc-xorg-extension. but dpkg-query -S on that package shows all it installed was in /usr/share/doc? |
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| 16:15.12 | spigot | oh ok I needed -L not -S SORRY *gets more coffee |
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| 16:16.28 | ratrace | oxek: already running btrfs rootfs on debian :) |
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| 16:21.33 | oxek | ratrace: many do. The question is about default, when or if at all |
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| 16:22.06 | oxek | I've tried it about two weeks ago and completely failed. Probably not a fault in btrfs though. |
| 16:22.50 | oxek | (and yeah, I tried running a not-very-commonly-used scenario, where I had multiple subvolumes inside cryptsetup container) |
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| 16:24.50 | ratrace | dunno, I have exactly that kind of setup |
| 16:25.04 | ratrace | then again, I install my debians via debootstrap |
| 16:26.28 | dvs | brave! |
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| 16:31.06 | cluonbeam | I don't think I'll ever do a btrfs install. |
| 16:31.44 | ratrace | I running btrfs primarily to test it out. what bettre way than daily use? I don't yet dare to put in on the $$-making servers :) not _yet_ at least. maybe with upgrade to bullseye |
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| 16:32.20 | cluonbeam | It has not reached a point of sufficient reliability and resiliency for me to trust it even with my personal data. |
| 16:32.53 | ratrace | I do regular backups to a ZFS mirror |
| 16:33.21 | cluonbeam | As do I. I don't trust btrfs enough to not be a pain in my butt and have to restore. |
| 16:33.29 | ratrace | I'm surprised how well and stable it is. Last several times I tried it few years ago, it was complete mess. |
| 16:34.26 | ratrace | personally I'd love to see more support for dm-integrity. dm-integrity (with or without LUKS) under mdadm achieves same kind of bitrot protection and allows you to use any fs atop of mdadm. |
| 16:34.35 | cluonbeam | Suppose I can set my "get off my lawn" attitude aside and check it out. |
| 16:35.13 | ratrace | cluonbeam: that's what I did. I used to be a zfs fanboi and zealot. then zfs ate my data, then I flipped some tables and decided to put btrfs under proper testing. |
| 16:35.28 | cluonbeam | I've never had zfs eat my data. |
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| 16:36.29 | cluonbeam | But any kind of OOTB ZFS support in Linux is lawsuit bait, so I won't hold my breath there. |
| 16:36.30 | ratrace | I had. https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/6224 |
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| 16:36.58 | cluonbeam | Is there a "right way" to do swap files on btrfs? |
| 16:37.10 | ratrace | cluonbeam: the license and current stance of kernel devs against zfs is kinda pushing me to love linux-native filesystems more. so far btrfs does it, even though it's inferior to zfs in some regards. |
| 16:37.27 | cluonbeam | ratrace: Oh, I agree with the stance against zfs. |
| 16:37.43 | cluonbeam | Anything Oracle has its fingers in is to be avoided like the plague. |
| 16:38.03 | cluonbeam | I don't generally have "religious convictions" about any given company, but Oracle is one of the few that I consider actively evil. |
| 16:38.11 | ratrace | same here |
| 16:38.49 | cluonbeam | Found my answer. Swap files are verboten prior to 5.0. |
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| 16:43.27 | cluonbeam | ratrace: Alright, I spun up a VM that I can dink with re: btrfs. |
| 16:44.28 | ratrace | cluonbeam: cool! |
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| 16:45.18 | jelly | dpkg, qotd0 |
| 16:45.19 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
| 16:45.19 | ratrace | oh just one thing... my usage of btrfs depends on having a mirror. I wouldn't run btrfs on single drives as it's very, very fragile. simple corruptions can make whole filesystem unmountable without redundancy to heal itself. |
| 16:45.38 | cluonbeam | ratrace: The underlying disk is a RAID10. |
| 16:46.07 | ratrace | cluonbeam: if it doesn't auto-heal data corruption, it won't matter |
| 16:47.06 | cluonbeam | ratrace: FreeBSD, ZFS stripe across mirror vdevs. |
| 16:47.34 | ratrace | cluonbeam: oh you'll bhyve the VM? |
| 16:48.17 | cluonbeam | Yup. |
| 16:48.37 | ratrace | neat |
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| 16:49.33 | cluonbeam | Okay, so, first btrfs question. Is it possible to turn a directory into a subvol, or do I need to treat it like a traditional mount point (evacuate the data, subvol creation, copy back)? |
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| 16:53.16 | ratrace | yea you need to copy data |
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| 16:54.42 | emilsp | is there a nice way to search for a package by the command/binary that package would install? I'm trying to figure out what I need to install to get modprobe. |
| 16:55.48 | emilsp | oh wait |
| 16:55.57 | emilsp | even as root, I am supposed to run modprobe via sudo ? |
| 16:55.57 | LtL | emilsp: kmod |
| 16:55.59 | ratrace | emilsp: you can use apt-file . and you need `kmod` package. which I think is like the critical package |
| 16:56.40 | ratrace | emilsp: if you're root, then sudo is pointless (unless you want to run a command as non-root) |
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| 16:57.11 | ratrace | something tells me you turned root with su and didn't use -l so /sbin/ is not in your PATH |
| 16:57.14 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 16:57.14 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 16:57.31 | emilsp | ratrace: you are entirely correct :) thanks |
| 16:57.37 | emilsp | I was pulling my hair just a second ago |
| 16:58.58 | jelly | judd, file bin/httpd |
| 16:59.04 | judd | Search for bin/httpd in buster/amd64: cyrus-caldav: usr/lib/cyrus/bin/httpd |
| 16:59.32 | jelly | not what I expected for a result but still, is that nice enough emilsp |
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| 17:00.16 | greycat | Debian has /usr/sbin/apache2 and /usr/sbin/nginx |
| 17:00.57 | ratrace | httpd is rhelspeak |
| 17:00.59 | greycat | usually not on the same machine, but who knows ;) |
| 17:01.15 | ratrace | greycat: infact many users do nginx in front of apache |
| 17:01.18 | jelly | ratrace, but their cli is still apachectl! How so! |
| 17:01.31 | ratrace | apache as application server, nginx as "the" public httpd |
| 17:01.34 | greycat | ratrace: that sounds insane, but then again, many of the users who come in here sound insane |
| 17:02.12 | jelly | greycat, that was really sane for a bit, when nginx was able to c10k but apache would be slowloris vulnerable |
| 17:03.11 | jelly | some unnamed commercial control panels still default to nginx front, apache + mod_php + fpm as backend |
| 17:03.28 | jelly | don't ask why both mod_php and fpm. |
| 17:03.30 | ratrace | + mod_php + fpm ? how the hell does that work |
| 17:03.42 | greycat | jelly: OK, I won't ask. I trust you. |
| 17:03.43 | jelly | separate vhosts |
| 17:03.49 | ratrace | and nobody in their right mind should be using mod_php in 2020. |
| 17:03.49 | jelly | separate handlers |
| 17:04.05 | greycat | s/mod_// |
| 17:04.13 | SerajewelKS | cluonbeam: mv directory, create subvolume, mv contents into subvolume? |
| 17:04.25 | jelly | ratrace, yes, and if they did, they might serve it all from nginx alone, but... eh |
| 17:04.29 | cluonbeam | SerajewelKS: Yeah, the standard evac-create-move cycle. |
| 17:04.45 | SerajewelKS | cluonbeam: e.g. mv dir tmp; btrfs subvolume create dir; mv tmp/* dir |
| 17:04.52 | cluonbeam | I just said that. |
| 17:05.03 | SerajewelKS | i thought someone said a _copy_ was required |
| 17:05.11 | cluonbeam | "evac" implies move. |
| 17:05.31 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: well yes. mv is copy+rm across subvols |
| 17:05.48 | cluonbeam | I said copy earlier expecting people to understand the nuance. |
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| 17:06.11 | ratrace | at any rate there's no btrfs do-magick --convert --directory --to --subvol |
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| 17:06.27 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'm missing something but my understanding was that mv when both subvolumes are visible within the same mount (e.g. when a parent subvolume is mounted) is not cp+rm |
| 17:06.28 | cluonbeam | Yeah, I got that part, too. |
| 17:06.31 | ratrace | have to treat that part as any other mountable filesystem. copying data between filesystems. |
| 17:06.53 | SerajewelKS | if you mount the subvolumes separately then yes it would be cp+rm |
| 17:07.02 | ratrace | whether you cp + rm explicitly, or mv (which does cp+rm implicitly, across fs boundaries), is I guess irrelevant |
| 17:07.03 | SerajewelKS | but you could temporarily mount the parent somewhere |
| 17:07.30 | SerajewelKS | that's what i'm saying though, i don't think it's across an fs boundary when it's all done from within a single mount of a mutual ancestor subvolume |
| 17:07.45 | SerajewelKS | i was looking into this the other day and that's what i recall finding |
| 17:07.46 | ratrace | it is. subvols are distinct inode spaces |
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| 17:08.07 | ratrace | while btrfs can cross-reference between them (hello snapshots), it's still separate inode spaces |
| 17:09.23 | SerajewelKS | interesting. so if they are mounted separately i'm pretty sure it will do a full cp+rm but if within a single mount i would hope btrfs is smart enough to at least do a reflink copy? |
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| 17:10.07 | SerajewelKS | across a mount boundary i don't think the filesystem driver can intercept the mv to make it a reflink copy |
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| 17:16.56 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: what do you mean by "within single moount"? subvolumes are separate mountpoints |
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| 17:17.15 | ratrace | btw yea, one can cp --reflink between subvols too |
| 17:18.04 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: oh I know what you mean... yea btrfs does implicit mount on _that_ kind of subvols... uh not sure of the terminology here |
| 17:18.46 | ratrace | I don't think it'd reflink without explicitly being told to do so. I heard that future releases of cp would --reflink=always by default where possible, so there's that |
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| 17:32.46 | doubletwist | So I'm looking to roughly match spacewalk's channel lifecycle capability with a local private debian mirror - such that packages/patches are added to dev at a certain point, then promoted to test when ready, then promoted to prod when ready. |
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| 17:33.38 | alexrelis[m] | Is it possible to turn a standard LUKS encrypted partition into an LVM partition? |
| 17:33.40 | doubletwist | I will NOT use Katello (I really tried. I've given up). Is there any other solution other than storing multiple copies of the debian repos and just updating each in turn ? |
| 17:33.54 | alexrelis[m] | Or would I have to copy my entire partition back and fourth? |
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| 17:55.01 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: like if you have subvolumes /one and /two, you can mount the parent subvolume / and then both of the subvolumes under look like directories and you could mv between them. i'd _expect_ btrfs to convert this into a reflink copy + rm but i don't know for sure. |
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| 18:03.18 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: yea I figured later what you meant |
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| 18:08.00 | blebz | Does anyone know how to fix: mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy/pre> |
| 18:08.04 | blebz | Does anyone know how to fix: mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 18:08.25 | blebz | (When trying to set up a raid) |
| 18:08.28 | greycat | the obvious thing would be to see why it's busy. is it mounted? |
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| 18:08.53 | blebz | I don't think so.. |
| 18:08.58 | blebz | How can I check? |
| 18:09.09 | greycat | df, mount, maybe lsblk |
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| 18:09.51 | greycat | also swapon -s |
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| 18:14.44 | ax562 | Morning! |
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| 18:19.28 | blebz | presumably if I do a gdisk on the drive, delete all its partitions - make a new partition it can't be mounted? |
| 18:19.45 | blebz | And why is it only one of the drives that it's saying is busy? |
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| 18:20.53 | jelly | blebz, also show "pvs" output |
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| 18:21.14 | jelly | if you're going to show anything that is |
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| 18:23.55 | blebz | You want me to paste my output from pvs? |
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| 18:24.36 | greycat | The goal is for you to figure out what's using that partition. If you can find it, you don't have to have *us* find it. |
| 18:24.51 | cluonbeam | blebz: If a partition is in use, even partitioning the drive won't alleviate the issue, because the new partition table won't go live if the disk is in use. |
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| 18:33.03 | blebz | When I type: umount /dev/sdb1 I'm getting: umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted. |
| 18:34.21 | cluonbeam | Just because it's not mounted as a filesystem doesn't mean its not in use. |
| 18:34.31 | greycat | That does narrow down the possibilities though. |
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| 18:36.26 | blebz | Maybe it's something to do with this: https://www.thegeekdiary.com/mdadm-cannot-open-dev-sda1-device-or-resource-busy/ |
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| 18:37.42 | cluonbeam | Does 'pvs' show anything? Does 'cat /proc/mdstat' show anything? |
| 18:38.26 | blebz | Seems to be nothing in pvs relevant |
| 18:38.38 | nkuttler | eh, the security repo is *really* slow |
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| 18:39.31 | blebz | cat /proc/mdstat gives : unused devices: <none> |
| 18:39.53 | blebz | oh hang on.. |
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| 18:40.26 | blebz | md127 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sdb1[0] sdc1[1] |
| 18:40.57 | blebz | cat /proc/mdstat/ gives: md127 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sdb1[0] sdc1[1] |
| 18:41.56 | blebz | dmsetup table |
| 18:42.01 | blebz | oops |
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| 18:57.00 | brutex | is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] |
| 18:57.19 | sney | wow, retro |
| 18:57.24 | sney | brutex: please turn that off |
| 18:58.04 | azeem | slaps brutex around with a large trout |
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| 19:08.24 | blebz | Dang it.. I --purge removed mdadm rebooted.. reinstalled .. rebooted and still I am getting the same error.. |
| 19:08.58 | blebz | mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
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| 19:09.16 | greycat | The confusing thing is why you thought that reinstalling a program would change that. |
| 19:09.45 | greycat | 14:40 blebz> md127 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sdb1[0] sdc1[1] |
| 19:09.52 | greycat | Did that not already answer your question? |
| 19:10.36 | blebz | No it didn't heh |
| 19:10.56 | greycat | You've got an MD device that spans sdb1 and sdc1. |
| 19:12.27 | blebz | The dat from mdstat? |
| 19:12.47 | blebz | How do I stop it? |
| 19:13.12 | greycat | well, the next thing you want to learn is what md127 is being used for |
| 19:13.35 | greycat | (how do you have all these layers of things set up and not *know* anything?) |
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| 19:16.03 | sney | blebz: why do you want to stop it? I thought you were trying to set up a software raid mirror. md127, with member devices sdb1 and sdc1, is a software raid mirror. you succeeded! |
| 19:16.31 | blebz | Well I had a raid setup earlier.. for some reason it seemed broken..the size of the 'disk' seemed small as I couldn't copy much stuff to it in the DE. It's the first time I've ever set a raid up on Linux.. so I thought maybe I botched something somewhere.. So I thought I would start again from scratch and now it's giving me this error..? |
| 19:16.46 | jelly | if your md is numbered 127 it was probably assembled automatically which you probably do not want to happen |
| 19:16.56 | sney | well you would need to destroy the mirror first if you want to create a new one from the same disks |
| 19:17.17 | greycat | when you say "start again from scratch", did you reinstall Debian without wiping out the RAID members on the disk? |
| 19:17.20 | brutex | which chan is for cloaks |
| 19:17.26 | jelly | I -think- some udev or systemd component can do that when it sees unknown md members appear |
| 19:17.26 | cluonbeam | #freenode |
| 19:17.34 | blebz | No I didn't re-install the server |
| 19:17.35 | cluonbeam | brutex: PS, cloaks do very little, honestly. |
| 19:17.48 | blebz | I probably could have by now.. |
| 19:17.55 | sney | jelly: I think it's the kernel, I've seen md127 as the autodetect array for years |
| 19:18.16 | jelly | "oh look, md members, let's assemble the array. NO FUCKER THOSE ARE REMOTELY MOUNTED VIA BND DON'T TOUCH THEM" |
| 19:18.30 | jelly | yes I have have yelled at the computer |
| 19:18.33 | greycat | well, he did say he purged mdadm, so maybe that was enough to turn his md0 into md127 |
| 19:20.05 | sney | unlikely |
| 19:20.13 | brutex | iO |
| 19:20.15 | brutex | :) |
| 19:21.20 | blebz | OK I done it. I did: mdadm --stop /dev/md* |
| 19:21.30 | blebz | Now it let me create the array |
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| 19:23.11 | jelly | remotely mounted via nbd* |
| 19:23.40 | jelly | (nbd being a lot simpler to set up than iscsi) |
| 19:23.59 | sney | iscsi is cool on paper but not worth the hassle ime, agreed |
| 19:24.14 | jelly | I like FC SAN. |
| 19:24.24 | sney | yup the grownup version |
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| 19:25.51 | jelly | but then you get to support proprietary OSes that need a proper block device to be able to do certain kinds of backups, and they support iscsi but not nbd |
| 19:25.59 | jelly | nothing supports nbd but linux |
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| 19:39.16 | ax562 | Sup y'all? Is there a tutorial on editing grub.cfg after Debian Buster install to add a new operating system to choose at boot. I already have a multiboot system that works, I'm trying to add an lfs partition to the boot options menu. |
| 19:40.06 | sney | ax562: grub.cfg in debian is auto-generated by update-grub. you'll want to make your changes in /etc/grub.d/. there's a readme. |
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| 19:40.10 | greycat | just run update-grub |
| 19:40.15 | jelly | ax562, if it has a /boot and a normal linux filesystem, os-prober should find it automatically |
| 19:40.25 | jelly | update-grub runs os-prober when it's installed |
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| 19:40.36 | jelly | s/when/if/ |
| 19:41.20 | sney | yes, only make customizations in grub.d if the other OS is not automatically detected |
| 19:41.23 | ax562 | greycat jelly oh ok, from debian terminal right? |
| 19:41.34 | greycat | As root, in a shell. |
| 19:42.14 | ax562 | I added to the bottom where is says #add new menu item, but it didn't pick it up. I will try. thank you! |
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| 19:43.18 | ax562 | I did see all kinds of references to it that I ddin't put in the grub.cfg but it still wasn't present in the boot options |
| 19:44.00 | sney | any changes that you made to grub.cfg will be overwritten the next time you run update-grub, as the comments at the top of grub.cfg tell you explicitly |
| 19:44.06 | ax562 | does it matter if my grub is on /sdx1 (first partition on the hd)? |
| 19:44.22 | sney | that's non-standard, but if your system boots then it's fine |
| 19:44.38 | ax562 | sney update-grub will still work? |
| 19:44.48 | sney | yes. |
| 19:44.58 | ax562 | ok cool. I will try! ty! |
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| 19:46.18 | jhutchins | I thought changes went in /etc/default/grub |
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| 19:46.46 | greycat | No, you may edit /etc/default/grub to change some of the template values that update-grub puts into the generated file. |
| 19:47.08 | sney | you can't add boot entries from /etc/default/grub. both /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d are parsed by update-grub and can be used to customize the contents and behavior of the grub menu. |
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| 19:47.48 | ax562 | good to know |
| 19:48.21 | jhutchins | Yeah, thanks. I've never actually had to add an entry with the current grub. |
| 19:49.21 | ax562 | another question. How can I edit the order of the grub boot menu? On ubuntu I would just use grub-customizer but I do not think that worked or I couldn't install. |
| 19:49.56 | ax562 | ooops didn't mean to ping another |
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| 19:50.55 | greycat | if someone names themself "another" then they get what they deserve |
| 19:51.09 | ax562 | lol |
| 19:51.39 | sney | the files in /etc/default/grub are numbered and that's the order that they go in the menu, iirc. and you can change which option is selected by default in /etc/default/grub. |
| 19:51.59 | greycat | no, you're thinknig of /etc/grub.d/ |
| 19:52.00 | sney | it's a little finicky because of how debian organizes the menu by default |
| 19:52.07 | sney | right, mis-typed |
| 19:52.21 | sney | serves me right for trying to brain 2 monitors at once :P |
| 19:52.55 | sney | /etc/default/grub is not a directory; the numbered files are in /etc/grub.d |
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| 20:02.01 | wouter | jelly: that's not true, actually |
| 20:02.20 | wouter | jelly: FreeBSD supports NBD (with a third-party translation between NBD and geom gate) |
| 20:02.28 | wouter | jelly: the Hurd supports (a very old version of) NBD |
| 20:02.32 | wouter | jelly: QEMU supports NBD |
| 20:02.59 | wouter | jelly: and someone is writing a Windows virtual storport driver for NBD, because Ceph uses it and they want to add Windows support |
| 20:03.15 | wouter | jelly: (yes, I highlight NBD ;-P) |
| 20:05.22 | wouter | jelly: oh, right, I forgot this "bitrig" thing, although I'm not quite sure what that exactly is |
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| 20:25.54 | foul_owl_ | What is a good alarm clock program for debian? There used to be one I used for jessie but after upgrading sadly it seems to be gone |
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| 20:26.17 | oxek | I'm also interested in that. A stopwatch and countdown as well. |
| 20:28.20 | foul_owl_ | Seems like a common use case right? I think this was the old package I used: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/utils/alarm-clock |
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| 20:29.37 | jmcnaught | ,i gnome-clocks |
| 20:29.39 | judd | Package gnome-clocks (gnome, optional) in buster/amd64: Simple GNOME app with stopwatch, timer, and world clock support. Version: 3.30.1-2; Size: 339.2k; Installed: 1735k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Clocks; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-clocks |
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| 20:47.51 | blebz | Actually that command: mdadm --stop /dev/md* seemed to completely break the box.. (I guess it could of been the uninstall of mdadm?) In any case the server rebooted into emergency mode... I got kinda freaked and I've now re-installed the box.. |
| 20:48.23 | sney | !fundamentals |
| 20:48.24 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 20:48.54 | greycat | Breaking a server that you're able to reinstall is definitely going to be a learning experience. |
| 20:49.20 | greycat | Not one I would normally recommend, but... it sounds like it wasn't a total disaster. |
| 20:50.21 | blebz | Its cool.. there wasn't anything on there.. I'm learning.. lolz.. slowly heh |
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| 20:55.33 | blebz | Haha I'm still getting: mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy!! |
| 20:56.11 | blebz | Nooooooooooo oo o |
| 20:56.16 | greycat | Previously, I asked you whether you had reinstalled Debian but left the MD devices on the hard drive. You said no. But it seems now you have done exactly that. |
| 20:56.35 | greycat | Now MD is discovering the MD devices that are left over on the disk and automatically building an array of them. |
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| 20:56.51 | sney | you may as well link this howto that you're blindly following so the rest of the class isn't left out :P |
| 20:57.24 | blebz | It's in a magazine or I would .. |
| 20:57.41 | sney | print media. funky. |
| 20:58.19 | sney | well, try getting better at using 'show' or 'list' arguments to commands, rather than just doing stuff and freaking out that it doesn't work. |
| 20:58.30 | sney | mdadm is great at giving you information when you ask. |
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| 20:59.37 | sney | and as you already learned today, sometimes md arrays assemble themselves. now that you learned that, you can expect it, and respond to it |
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| 21:01.02 | sverzel | Weird question. I have a perl script serving a web application with lighttpd. The script runs a system command and it's taking 3 solid seconds to return. Is it possible that the account used (www-data) is throttled by a system setting..? |
| 21:01.25 | sverzel | (running under my normal user, firing off the same system command takes 0 seconds) |
| 21:01.39 | sney | sverzel: I can't think of anything being throttled, but you can test it with 'sudo -u www-data command-goes-here' |
| 21:02.07 | sverzel | sney, it's a nologin account, can I still sudo into it? |
| 21:02.43 | sney | you can run a command with sudo, you just can't get a login shell |
| 21:02.57 | sverzel | sney, ah okay, I shall try |
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| 21:04.01 | sverzel | sney, hm, the command runs in zero seconds under the user. Something else is wrong. Thanks for your help! |
| 21:04.14 | sney | np |
| 21:04.31 | sney | check dns, it's responsible for a lot of weird timeouts |
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| 21:06.02 | sverzel | sney, the command is to use links2 to read a localhost site and dump out the formatted text. The web application performs other operations fast. Maybe I can try 127.0.0.1 just to eliminate.. |
| 21:07.13 | sverzel | sney, nope, still slow :-) debugging continues.. |
| 21:07.55 | sney | using a whole browser to pipe text? why not curl or something |
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| 21:10.35 | sverzel | sney, I'm after the text content of a HTML page. I know I can do it in more ways (also using Perl+libs). But not sure if curl can do that.. reading up on it though. |
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| 21:16.08 | sverzel | sney, actually. I think it's Firefox that gets confused about the content that is returned. |
| 21:16.35 | jelly | wouter, well a signed storport driver would be nice... |
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| 21:19.40 | wouter | jelly: no idea whether that's going to happen |
| 21:23.12 | blebz | So if I do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb (well both drives actually) .. then surely I gotta be able to start again and get this raid up? |
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| 21:24.37 | sney | yes, erasing the beginning of the disks will remove any raid metadata or partition tables that they might have |
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| 21:26.05 | blebz | Is there a way to just wipe the beginning of the disks because it takes ages to do the whole disk.. |
| 21:27.09 | dvs | blebz, bs and count params |
| 21:28.08 | cluonbeam | blebz: gdisk will do this more easily, if it's available. |
| 21:30.16 | SerajewelKS | blebz: see also wipefs |
| 21:34.11 | cluonbeam | Or that. |
| 21:34.21 | cluonbeam | SerajewelKS: I always forget wipefs. |
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| 21:36.41 | SerajewelKS | i've been using linux since like 2001 and somehow i only just learned about it this week |
| 21:38.10 | robobox2 | 1995 for me, heh. Odd I never learned about it in 25 years. |
| 21:39.57 | sney | hm, TIL |
| 21:39.59 | SerajewelKS | probably because it's only occasionally useful. usually if you're putting something else there anyway, you'll just mkfs or whatever. |
| 21:40.13 | SerajewelKS | it's rare that you want to remove all magic signatures and then _not_ do anything with the drive for a bit |
| 21:40.28 | sney | indeed. |
| 21:40.40 | sney | I will probably forget again within the day, tbh |
| 21:41.05 | SerajewelKS | i've started using LUKS standard with everything so that when i sell/trash a drive i can just wipe the header instead of the whole device. wipefs will be useful there. |
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| 21:43.55 | blebz | It's strange wipefs /dev/sdb -a gives me : wipefs: error: /dev/sdb: probing initialization failed: Device or resource busy |
| 21:44.08 | blebz | So I did a -f to force |
| 21:44.40 | blebz | But I'm still getting: mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 21:44.41 | doubletwist | Ok I'm confused. why is debmirror only downloading source tarballs? |
| 21:44.42 | SerajewelKS | i think it requests exclusive access to the device |
| 21:44.57 | SerajewelKS | so it's probably mounted/used by something else in the system. lsblk could give you a clue. |
| 21:45.23 | sney | it's probably just the autodetected md127 again that keeps being a surprise to blebz despite dealing with it multiple times today |
| 21:46.10 | SerajewelKS | yeah md-raid likes to auto-assemble stuff any time there is a topology change anywhere in the system, even if it's not on a related device |
| 21:46.31 | SerajewelKS | e.g. writing a new partition table to a different device |
| 21:46.49 | doubletwist | using this conf: https://paste.debian.net/1161512/ |
| 21:46.59 | doubletwist | only doing contrib and non-free right now to test it |
| 21:48.51 | blebz | Lolz this is Gnarly |
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| 21:54.09 | SerajewelKS | blebz: how so? |
| 21:54.51 | cluonbeam | blebz: You still haven't stopped whatever process is keeping the disk hostage. You're not going to fix the problem by changing anything on the disk. |
| 21:55.18 | cluonbeam | Because - as I said before - changes on the disk are not recognized as long as the disk is locked by a process. |
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| 21:55.38 | blebz | But I just reformated the server heh |
| 21:55.50 | blebz | How can that not have stopped the process? |
| 21:56.02 | cluonbeam | blebz: Because the process is still running. Nothing that you do on the disk will stop the process. |
| 21:56.09 | cluonbeam | I believe I've been quite clear on that point. |
| 21:56.33 | cluonbeam | Find whatever is holding the disk and shut it down. Whether that's mdadm, lvm, or something else. |
| 21:56.51 | cluonbeam | You can spend the next nine years futzing with the disk itself and not solve the problem. |
| 21:58.00 | SerajewelKS | blebz: does lsblk show any other devices "under" the device you're trying to wipe? |
| 21:58.20 | blebz | Yeh |
| 21:58.22 | blebz | md0 |
| 21:58.32 | SerajewelKS | blebz: mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
| 21:58.39 | SerajewelKS | blebz: then try typefs again |
| 21:58.43 | SerajewelKS | wipefs* |
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| 22:06.11 | blebz | OK.. that.. *seemed* to work I am rebooting now.. |
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| 22:38.53 | blebz | I don't think it worked.. |
| 22:39.58 | blebz | It went into emergency mode again as soon as I put a line in fstab |
| 22:40.54 | blebz | And now when I lsblk I got md127 |
| 22:41.18 | blebz | Arrrrrrrg... |
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| 23:21.16 | blebz | Dang.. still not working.. I'm going to bed... Zzz |
| 23:24.16 | jim | hi, question appeared on ##linux, is there a test to determine whether an iso image is a hybrid? |
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| 23:28.15 | Unit193 | jim: I just look at fdisk -l *.iso |
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| 23:30.47 | mutante | jim: the output of "file foo.iso" should also look different per https://superuser.com/questions/683210/how-do-i-determine-if-an-iso-is-a-hybrid#683233 |
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| 23:34.28 | jim | thanks Unit193 and mutante |
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| 23:58.02 | yanmaani | There used to be a panel item in XFCE that showed how much free space was left on each partition. It disappeared with the update. Anyone know what it's called and in what package I can find it? |
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