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| 04:31.27 | wuseman | Yes, if it's over lan, that's enough. If you use it remotely turn off password access and use ssh keys instead. And also change port if it's remotely for avoid autobots for trying brute-force |
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| 04:41.03 | jim | ok, secure boot off, and I have to go in as root and modprobe the v4l2loopback; this time, it did load, and lsmod confirms it |
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| 04:57.40 | jim | is it supposed to load at boot? |
| 05:03.15 | jmcnaught | jim: I used to use v4l2loopback with webcamoid which added filters to my webcam then made a virtual camera available to other programs. I never had to manually load the module. |
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| 05:08.19 | jim | jmcnaught, ok.. I guess I could remove the module and try again... now that secure boot is off, that shouldn't be in the way |
| 05:09.27 | jim | is the module installed by a package (other than the dkms package)? |
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| 05:12.14 | jim | jmcnaught, apparantly you can use this module with obs to have obs output to a /dev/videoN |
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| 05:22.15 | jmcnaught | jim: that's interesting. I have OBS installed from a flatpak, I wonder if it would still work. |
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| 05:26.55 | jim | you need an obs module, I think it's called obs-v4lsink |
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| 05:27.47 | jim | also by the way, obs is available from a .deb and is in the archive at least for buster |
| 05:29.35 | jim | you might need that .deb installed in order to make the dependencies work |
| 05:30.19 | jmcnaught | Yeah I was using it for a while but I wanted the current version. I use OBS in tandem with an instance running in Windows, so I wanted the current release. |
| 05:31.30 | jim | ok, in that case you may need to find the source and build the module |
| 05:32.42 | mindlessmiss | Hey guys I'm trying to add the software sources eg. https://imgur.com/a/JCUYbRh but I get this huge error, https://i.imgur.com/CmIcMYI.png any suggestions on what to do? |
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| 05:34.48 | diogenes_ | mindlessmiss, run: can /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:35.02 | diogenes_ | share the url. |
| 05:35.37 | diogenes_ | sorry cat instead of can |
| 05:36.08 | jim | cats like cans of cat... food... |
| 05:36.52 | diogenes_ | jim, poet. |
| 05:38.01 | mindlessmiss | diogenes_, "bash: can: command not found |
| 05:38.02 | mindlessmiss | " |
| 05:38.12 | mindlessmiss | duh nvm |
| 05:38.43 | mindlessmiss | https://termbin.com/9eaw |
| 05:40.40 | diogenes_ | mindlessmiss, pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:40.57 | jim | mindlessmiss, curious, are you mostly getting packages off some cdroms? |
| 05:41.34 | diogenes_ | comment out the last 2 lines and run: sudo apt update |
| 05:41.58 | mindlessmiss | jim I originally installed from a kde dvd |
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| 05:42.06 | mindlessmiss | ok jim thnaks\ |
| 05:42.14 | themill | actually, it's the deb.debian.org lines for buster/updates that are wrong there |
| 05:42.45 | diogenes_ | ^^ |
| 05:43.00 | mindlessmiss | ok so I comment out which ones? |
| 05:44.37 | themill | the first ones where buster/updates appears, looks like lines 9 and 10 |
| 05:46.36 | mindlessmiss | ok so deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:46.37 | mindlessmiss | deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster/updates main contrib non-free? |
| 05:46.38 | ryouma | should pstree | wc approximate thenumber of processes shown in gkrellm? |
| 05:48.21 | themill | mindlessmiss: those two are wrong and can be commented out, yes |
| 05:48.37 | mindlessmiss | Im actually trying toi get my wifi adapter working, its panda 09 something somerthing ralink, usually the drivers are installed out of the box when I boot other distros, including my last install of debian |
| 05:48.50 | mindlessmiss | ok themill thanks |
| 05:52.48 | mindlessmiss | https://pastebin.com/raw/eTmQ2nHc |
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| 05:57.40 | mindlessmiss | https://termbin.com/asvlz |
| 05:57.42 | themill | I would also suggest commenting out the cd-rom entries for the dvd unless you particularly want to use them |
| 05:58.34 | mindlessmiss | themill ok yeah I took the dvd I'm not using it |
| 05:58.51 | s3a | Hello to everyone who's reading this. :) If I download the iso (via the torrent) and download the SHA512SUMS and SHA512SUMS.sign files all in the same folder/directory and run SHA512SUMS --check from that directory, it's not *just* checking that it downloaded correctly; it's also checking that it wasn't tampered with (most likely by an actor with malicious intent), right? That's what the SHA512SUMS.*sign* file is for, right? Is the SHA512SUMS --check |
| 05:58.51 | s3a | command using gpg internally? I ask because the SHA512SUMS says PGP, and I'm assuming that that's how the integrity is determined. |
| 05:59.17 | s3a | Example link of files: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.5.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 05:59.30 | mindlessmiss | yes s3a |
| 05:59.39 | mindlessmiss | that's the ideA |
| 06:00.19 | s3a | mindlessmiss, Thanks for the answer, but just to be clear, *everything* I said is correct? |
| 06:00.27 | themill | !check iso signature |
| 06:00.27 | dpkg | On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>. |
| 06:00.27 | mindlessmiss | check the the file you downloaded is exacrtly what it should be, bit for bit |
| 06:02.02 | themill | s3a: unless you also check that the signatures are good and from the expected key, checking the hashes is not verifying that it was not tampered with |
| 06:03.04 | s3a | themill, https://dpaste.com/9A2CHAN5C |
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| 06:04.02 | themill | s3a: guess you didn't do what dpkg said then>? |
| 06:05.04 | s3a | themill, Oops. Two secs. |
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| 06:07.28 | s3a | themill, Does it really need the -t sid part? |
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| 06:07.54 | s3a | (for the apt-get install debian-keyring part) |
| 06:08.47 | themill | probably not at the moment as I don't think the cd signing key has been rolled over yet |
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| 06:13.52 | SerajewelKS | why would update-grub put "ro" on the kernel command line? ro is not specified in /etc/fstab nor is / mounted ro currently. |
| 06:14.00 | SerajewelKS | i have to manually edit grub.cfg to get the system to boot |
| 06:14.31 | SerajewelKS | oh waith that is supposed to be there for fsck isn't it |
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| 06:24.09 | s3a | themill, https://dpaste.com/8KHCEB8E7 |
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| 06:25.04 | s3a | themill, gpg --edit-key the_key says not found, no public key. |
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| 06:28.35 | themill | gpg is telling you that there is no route from your own gpg key to that key. That's probably true |
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| 06:29.10 | themill | It's also telling you that there's a good signature from the Debian CD signing key, and you know that key is from the debian-keyring package, which you already trust |
| 06:29.14 | OzFalcon | I'm learning basic sbuild usage and added --extra-repository=".... buster-backports main". Is it possible to pull backports automatically is it always required to sbuild -d buster --build-dep-resolver=aptitude |
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| 06:30.19 | OzFalcon | <or is it> |
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| 06:30.44 | themill | OzFalcon: you need to get sbuild to use aptitude or it won't figure out that it can use newer versions from backports when it hits a versioned build-dep |
| 06:31.33 | OzFalcon | Can this be set in the chroot creation? |
| 06:31.57 | palimaar | is there any way to mount a btrfs-formatted disk writable to other non-root users? |
| 06:32.24 | palimaar | forgets to try chmod'ing the whole disk |
| 06:33.11 | themill | OzFalcon: I don't know of a way of setting it per-chroot, it's a bit annoying like that |
| 06:33.22 | mindlessmiss | 5 |
| 06:33.23 | mindlessmiss | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/skl_huc_ver01_07_1398.bin for module i915 |
| 06:33.49 | themill | mindlessmiss: tjhat |
| 06:33.55 | themill | mindlessmiss: that's in firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 06:34.11 | OzFalcon | themill, ok, So I have to use sbuild -d buster --build-dep-resolver=aptitude ... |
| 06:34.41 | themill | yeah |
| 06:34.55 | themill | or put that in your ~/.sbuildrc |
| 06:35.23 | palimaar | ayy chown worked fine to get the disk back to my user, nevermind guys |
| 06:35.34 | s3a | themill, Are you just saying that I trust it in real life or that gpg knows it (too)? :P Do you know how one would go about *properly* removing that warning? |
| 06:37.32 | themill | s3a: you would need to have a gpg key that you have cross-signed with debian developers in a chain back to the cd team and you'd need to configure gpg to follow that web of trust |
| 06:38.13 | themill | s3a: alternatively, you tell gpg not to check the trust of the key and only check the signature; istr you can get gpgv t do that |
| 06:38.56 | mindlessmiss | thanks themill . I guess I ought to reboot, as ,per the suggestion |
| 06:39.55 | s3a | themill, Okay so (most importantly) the "gpg: Good signature from "Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" [unknown]" part is what confirms that the iso did not just download correctly, but that it was also *not* tampered with, right? |
| 06:40.19 | themill | yes |
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| 06:40.48 | themill | well, it says that the SHA256SUMS file was not tampered with |
| 06:41.49 | s3a | themill, So, how would I ensure that the iso was not tampered with? |
| 06:42.34 | themill | since you've checked that the sha256sum of the ISO image is the same as listed in that file, and it's not (currently) possible to create a second file with the same hash, you therefore know that the ISO file is the one that was hashed (and then those hashes were signed) |
| 06:44.47 | themill | "sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS" verifies that the ISO file has the same hash as in the file SHA256SUMS. gpg verifies that the contents of the file SHA256SUMS are the same as when the signature was made for them. You've verified that the key signing it is the one that should have done so |
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| 06:45.59 | s3a | themill, "it's not (currently) possible to create a second file with the same hash" - I read that it can be trivial to make a different file have the same hash. If I'm misunderstanding something, could you please tell me what? |
| 06:46.29 | mindlessmiss | yey looks like wifi device is recognised |
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| 06:50.07 | themill | s3a: collisions are possible with old hashes like MD5 but not the SHA2 ones. There's also a difference between generating two files that have the same hash and generating a new file that has the same hash as an existing file (that's the hash version of the birthday paradox -- in a group of people, it's likely that some pair of people has the same birthday, but not that another person has the same birthday as you) |
| 06:53.16 | s3a | themill, Okay, so, I can trust the hash matching, but I can't trust the hash itself without pgp is what you're saying, right? |
| 06:53.35 | s3a | SHA256 and SHA512 hashes that is, not MD5 ones |
| 06:53.59 | s3a | I might have worded that badly. |
| 06:56.15 | s3a | themill, Wait, I'm confused now. If SHA256 and SHA512 hashes are so trustworthy. Then, why involve gpg? |
| 06:56.58 | s3a | (Sorry for dragging this on.) |
| 06:57.41 | s3a | Oh, wait. To make sure that THE SHA256 or SHA512 sum is itself not tampered with, right? |
| 06:57.55 | s3a | in the SHA512SUMS file, that is |
| 06:58.05 | s3a | themill, |
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| 07:25.45 | OzFalcon | When using sbuild within the source directory, Why does it still need to source.tar.xz ??? |
| 07:25.55 | OzFalcon | <need the> |
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| 08:12.11 | themill | s3a: that's correct |
| 08:12.49 | themill | OzFalcon: you actually give sbuild the source package not the unpacked sources. You need the original upstream source to be able to make the source package. |
| 08:12.53 | themill | !source package |
| 08:12.53 | dpkg | A source package is a set of files used to make a Debian binary <package>. The main file is the Debian source control file (<dsc>) which lists the other required files; use "dget http://.../foo.dsc" (see <devscripts>) to download the dsc and all referenced files. There is also a <tarball> and (usually) patches in <diff.gz> or <debsrc3.0> format. The dsc contains checksums and is cryptographically signed by the uploader. <policy> <nmg> |
| 08:12.59 | s3a | themill, Thanks for confirming. :) |
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| 08:13.08 | s3a | (and for all your input) |
| 08:13.24 | themill | np |
| 08:13.53 | themill | gpg is both awesome and horrific at the same time |
| 08:14.39 | cskr | What makes the CD images that include non-free firmware, found at https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/, unofficial? Are they not built by Debian maintainers? |
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| 08:34.47 | s3a | I'd say it's worth the horror. ;P |
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| 08:46.04 | OzFalcon | themill, Ok I see what's happening with the package I'm building. It's creating a source.tar.gz from the source folder then using that to build the package. |
| 08:47.43 | OzFalcon | themill, How it's doing that is currently beyond me. When I look at the control & rules files, There doesn't seem to be anything I can see that creates that tar.gz file. |
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| 08:53.14 | themill | cskr: it's the non-free firmware that they contain |
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| 08:56.02 | cskr | themill: Who builds these images? Based on timestamps of the file and checksum signatures, they seem to be built immediately after the official free images. Which makes be believe both are built through the exact same process. Why are they unofficial then? |
| 08:57.39 | cskr | Is it just to distance the Debian project name from non-free firmware, even though the images themselves are built by Debian maintainers? |
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| 08:57.57 | themill | yes, that's correct. non-free is not part of Debian |
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| 08:59.00 | OzFalcon | cskr, https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 09:00.05 | OzFalcon | cskr, 1. Debian will remain 100% free |
| 09:00.49 | OzFalcon | cskr, As such, The non-free firmware can not be considered official if official is 100% free |
| 09:02.02 | cskr | OzFalcon, themill: Thanks. I see the point now. |
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| 09:10.20 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I am building a debian package. Since I put the debian directory under git version control, debuild is complaining about unwanted binary files in the .git directory. How kann I tell dpkg-source to completely ignore these files. |
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