| 00:00.17 | CyberManifest | or this: https://github.com/rajshekhar26/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/zsh/.zlogin |
| 00:00.35 | devtty | somiaj: do you still need the xorg log |
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| 00:02.40 | somiaj | devtty: no, it sounds like the issue is more internal to mpv than xorg, just was double checking things. I'm unsure what mpv could be missing to not have support for vp9 and the other vidoes you see, yet work in a window manager. |
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| 00:03.14 | somiaj | CyberManifest: as per that wiki page I originally linked, xinitrc won't be parsed by a xsession from a display manager. |
| 00:03.41 | CyberManifest | somiaj: unless configured to do so |
| 00:03.59 | somiaj | !xsession |
| 00:03.59 | dpkg | Debian uses ~/.xsession for startx(1) as well as *most* Display Manager logins. See https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
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| 00:04.21 | somiaj | better to use .xsession than .xinitrc, and also choose the 'default session' and not the one for your window manaer. |
| 00:05.00 | CyberManifest | somiaj: again my .xsession is in ~/.config/X11/.xsession |
| 00:05.54 | CyberManifest | somiaj: I tried choosing default session as well, same result |
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| 00:08.32 | somiaj | first I don't see your .xsession there, second the location for the file is ~/.xsession not ~/.config/X11/.xsession |
| 00:09.05 | somiaj | also why does that say your OS: Gentoo...... |
| 00:09.11 | alexrelis[m] | I installed sudo on my machine, added my normal user to the sudo group, disabled to root account, and logged out and logged back in. Now when I try to use sudo, I get this error: |
| 00:09.11 | alexrelis[m] | `sudo: unable to resolve host alex-pc: Name or service not known` |
| 00:09.11 | alexrelis[m] | I'm also having another strange error. When I try to run a command with sudo, sudo says my user is not in the sudoers file. But when I run `su - alex` and login to my regular user account and then use sudo, it works. I want to reboot, but I'm afraid if I reboot I won't be able to login as root anymore. |
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| 00:09.28 | CyberManifest | somiaj: it's in both |
| 00:10.16 | somiaj | alexrelis[m]: add alex-pc to /etc/hosts to get rid of the unable to resolve issue. When you type 'groups' do you see yourself in the sudo group? Did you fully logout of xorg and back in? |
| 00:10.25 | CyberManifest | somiaj: also do you see: "exec bspwm" line 12 in https://github.com/rajshekhar26/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/X11/xinitrc how is that any different than "exec=bspwm" in bspwm.desktop file ? |
| 00:10.36 | somiaj | alexrelis[m]: you could just append apex-pc to 127.0.0.1 which is localhost or point it at your ip. |
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| 00:11.06 | CyberManifest | somiaj: it doesn't say my OS is Gentoo, I'm on debian |
| 00:12.47 | somiaj | so those aren't your dotfiles on github? I'm just going by the README.md. Anyways, I've pointed you to how debian's default session should be loading things, but configurations can change this. |
| 00:13.52 | CyberManifest | somiaj: right, I realize how debian's default sessions SHOULD load things, and I understand that configurations can change this, but I don't understand why it isn't working as intended |
| 00:14.19 | somiaj | but it appears the dot files you have downloaded from github are for gentoo, and you may have to adjust them. |
| 00:14.39 | CyberManifest | somiaj: they have been adjusted |
| 00:14.51 | CyberManifest | somiaj: for one I had to replace all instances of "raj" |
| 00:15.29 | alexrelis[m] | somiaj: I see my username in the sudo group. I did log out of my Xorg session and log back in. But from the looks of it I am able to sudo in a tty session so I think I'm in the clear. |
| 00:15.53 | alexrelis[m] | Oh, and I did the /etc/hosts thing. Thank you. I'm not sure why it wasn't the correct host name. Thank you very much. |
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| 00:19.52 | CyberManifest | wait, I glazed over 9, 10, and 11 |
| 00:20.10 | CyberManifest | so I need to add those to bspw.desktop |
| 00:21.13 | CyberManifest | or better yet modify bspw.desktop to do the same as .zlogin : startx ~/.config/X11/xinitrc & |
| 00:21.14 | devtty | somaij: setting vo=gpu and hwdec=vaapi seems to decrese frame drops and remove the errors but still ends up dropping a lot |
| 00:21.45 | CyberManifest | no, cause x is already started |
| 00:21.47 | CyberManifest | :/ |
| 00:23.20 | CyberManifest | so desktop file needs to have Exec=~/.config/X11/xinitrc & |
| 00:23.47 | CyberManifest | er Exec=$HOME/.config/X11/xinitrc & |
| 00:24.00 | CyberManifest | goes to try |
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| 00:30.05 | somiaj | CyberManifest: you can start debugging things, try to put 'exec urxvt' in your ~/.xsession file and then use the 'default' session from light dm, if uxrvt loads, it is parsing just like the wiki says. |
| 00:30.18 | CyberManifest | somiaj: no |
| 00:30.43 | somiaj | alexrelis[m]: glaod you got it worked out. Yea you sometimes have to log completly out to get groups to update, but seems everything is in order? |
| 00:30.55 | somiaj | devtty: vo=xv is worse then vo=gpu? |
| 00:31.14 | somiaj | devtty: You are using debian stable, and mpv and all the depends and likes are installed from stable? |
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| 00:34.23 | CyberManifest | so I'm seeing the problem |
| 00:34.34 | CyberManifest | Xsession doesn't find the file |
| 00:34.37 | pfred1 | my .xsession is a link to .xinitrc |
| 00:34.59 | somiaj | then you have reconfigured things somehow, just installed lightdm, and it reads .xsession just like the wiki said it would. You have chosed 'default Xsession' from the session menu in lightdm? |
| 00:35.14 | CyberManifest | somiaj: no |
| 00:35.48 | CyberManifest | somiaj: At this point I can't believe a word that comes out of your mouth or a character you type on the keyboard. |
| 00:36.06 | pfred1 | I exec two programs in .xinitrc before my Window Manager |
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| 00:36.42 | CyberManifest | pfred1: lightdm doesn't use .xinitrc |
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| 00:37.03 | pfred1 | CyberManifest like i said .xsession -> .xinitrc |
| 00:37.09 | somiaj | devtty: seems that v9 support is only for newer video cards, could it be you have somewho configured mpv to use a feature your card doesn't support? |
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| 00:37.44 | pfred1 | CyberManifest I don't use a DM |
| 00:37.47 | CyberManifest | pfred1: tried that |
| 00:37.56 | somiaj | lightdm will use ~/.xsession if you choose the default Xsession. |
| 00:37.59 | CyberManifest | Xsession unable to find file |
| 00:38.39 | pfred1 | I boot to the console then startx |
| 00:38.42 | CyberManifest | somiaj: I'm not choosing default shit, it doesn't work |
| 00:38.53 | devtty | somaij: i am using stable and all depends |
| 00:39.13 | devtty | also hevent even had a xorg.conf |
| 00:39.19 | pfred1 | which just saved my bacon |
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| 00:39.26 | CyberManifest | pfred1: yes that's what I have for TTY1, but I prefered to use a DM |
| 00:39.45 | pfred1 | CyberManifest why? What's a DM do for you? |
| 00:39.58 | CyberManifest | pfred1: allows me to use VNC |
| 00:40.36 | devtty | noticed something i didnt before, all videos have the error [ffmpeg] NULL: Invalid NAL unit size and [ffmpeg] NULL: missing picture in access unit with size after exiting |
| 00:40.43 | pfred1 | CyberManifest you can do remote off the CLI |
| 00:41.10 | CyberManifest | pfred1: don't think so |
| 00:41.23 | pfred1 | CyberManifest I don' |
| 00:41.23 | CyberManifest | pfred1: that's a side point, quit trying to make me not use lightdm |
| 00:41.34 | pfred1 | CyberManifest I don't think what yo uthink really matters |
| 00:41.53 | CyberManifest | it matters to me |
| 00:42.04 | pfred1 | CyberManifest that it does |
| 00:42.13 | somiaj | devtty: I'm talking about mpv config files, I don't know where they are stored. |
| 00:42.44 | CyberManifest | somiaj: ~/.config/mpv |
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| 00:43.35 | somiaj | devtty: check the config file CyberManifest pointed at, maybe you have some settings there causing issues |
| 00:45.03 | devtty | ~/.config/mpv is empty |
| 00:45.03 | apt | okay, devtty |
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| 00:46.06 | CyberManifest | devtty: see https://github.com/rajshekhar26/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/mpv/mpv.conf as an example |
| 00:46.32 | pfred1 | devtty zcat /usr/share/doc/mpv/mpv.conf.gz | less |
| 00:46.35 | CyberManifest | devtty: I'm sorry, but I missed your original issue |
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| 00:47.55 | devtty | CyberManifest: been getting frame drop issues in mpv after switching from a de to a wm |
| 00:48.00 | pfred1 | devtty you could decompress that and name it ~/.config/mpv/mpv.conf |
| 00:48.10 | n4dir | though i think there is also zless |
| 00:48.40 | pfred1 | n4dir I'm a cat person |
| 00:48.57 | n4dir | :-) |
| 00:50.21 | pfred1 | I just installed mpv the other day |
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| 00:50.54 | CyberManifest | devtty: what DE to what WM did you go ? |
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| 00:55.15 | devtty | mate to bspwm |
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| 01:00.07 | CyberManifest | devtty: have ffmpeg installed? |
| 01:00.18 | CyberManifest | devtty: what typ vid you getting frames dropped? |
| 01:00.25 | CyberManifest | type* |
| 01:03.06 | devtty | i do and its every video |
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| 01:03.45 | CyberManifest | devtty: what type of system and what video drivers are you using? |
| 01:04.39 | CyberManifest | devtty: when you were on MATE were you on wayland? do you have a compositor installed now on bspwm ? |
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| 01:05.46 | devtty | i was on x11 and i do have a compositor rn |
| 01:06.08 | devtty | and im on a t420 with whatever was installed by default on mate |
| 01:07.10 | CyberManifest | devtty: did you have a compositor on MATE? |
| 01:08.00 | CyberManifest | devtty: is it the same compositor ? |
| 01:09.06 | devtty | yes i did and i think its the same but is probably configured differently bc i stoped it and fixed the issue |
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| 01:10.58 | CyberManifest | devtty: so stopping the compositor fixed your frame rate drops ? |
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| 01:11.37 | devtty | yes |
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| 01:12.12 | n4dir | btw, is there a tool to do more configuration to mate besides the control center (or what the name is) ? |
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| 01:12.59 | n4dir | mainly make it use less ressources. |
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| 01:56.21 | oxek | pfred1: useless use of zcat :) You can use zless |
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| 01:57.17 | oxek | tomato tomato, nobody says tamato |
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| 03:15.08 | CyberManifest | Anyone here use bspwm ? |
| 03:18.37 | wyoung | CyberManifest: What's the issue? |
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| 03:21.28 | CyberManifest | wyoung: can't get it to work with lightdm |
| 03:21.41 | CyberManifest | wyoung: well sorta |
| 03:22.09 | CyberManifest | wyoung: I can get it to work (with an empty session) but I can't get it to work like how I have it configured for TTY1 |
| 03:22.21 | wyoung | You have any errors to dpaste? |
| 03:28.48 | CyberManifest | wyoung: not getting any errors |
| 03:29.27 | CyberManifest | wyoung: it's starting bspwm as an empty session instead of how it starts from the terminal |
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| 05:06.26 | CyberManifest | JUST FYI, I GOT IT FIXED: so I modified /usr/share/xsession/bspwm.desktop where the line Exec=bspwm ... I changed to Exec=$HOME/.config/X11/xinitrc |
| 05:09.20 | somiaj | that fix will break the nex time the package is updated |
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| 05:09.59 | somiaj | instead you should make a local copy of that .desktop file, or learn to do things with how debian is setup, and use ~/.xsession with a default session. |
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| 05:11.31 | CyberManifest | somiaj: next time what package is updated? |
| 05:11.49 | somiaj | the bspwm package and that file is overwritten with the file provided by the package. |
| 05:12.02 | CyberManifest | somiaj: I shouldn't do anything instead. It works the way I like |
| 05:12.19 | CyberManifest | somiaj: don't care |
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| 05:20.19 | CyberManifest | somiaj: luckily packages don't get updated in forever in debian ; the one time it pays to have outdated packages |
| 05:21.16 | CyberManifest | somiaj: xsessions with lightdm use desktop files |
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| 05:21.33 | CyberManifest | somiaj: and what do you mean local copy of the .desktop file, it is local |
| 05:21.37 | somiaj | and you can put a local copy of that file in /etc |
| 05:22.12 | somiaj | I don't know the exact location, but this will then override the package copy) |
| 05:22.32 | CyberManifest | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.56 | somiaj | I don't think so, /etc/xdg/xsession maybe, I'm looking up the docs |
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| 05:25.38 | somiaj | help.gnome.org seems to say /etc/X11/sessions/ |
| 05:25.43 | somiaj | https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/session-custom.html.en |
| 05:28.06 | somiaj | in general you should never have to edit a file owned by a package, (true for .desktop files, systemd unit files, and so on), but make a local copy in /etc or $HOME. The exact location depends on the file in question. |
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| 05:28.57 | CyberManifest | somiaj: I don't have that folder her on Debian |
| 05:29.03 | somiaj | then create it |
| 05:29.26 | CyberManifest | now I think your talking out your ass |
| 05:29.32 | CyberManifest | it doesn't matter it works |
| 05:29.46 | CyberManifest | your way has me creating things that aren't there |
| 05:29.50 | alex11 | why don't you stop being rude when someone is trying to help you in a support channel |
| 05:30.27 | CyberManifest | alex11: cause they're creating issues instead of fixing them |
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| 05:30.50 | CyberManifest | and that's not something I need or am interested in |
| 05:30.57 | somiaj | I'm trying to help you do this the proper way that won't break when you upgrade |
| 05:31.27 | CyberManifest | somiaj: how can creating something that isn't there be the "proper way" ? |
| 05:31.33 | CyberManifest | if it were proper it would already exist |
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| 05:31.54 | CyberManifest | if that's how it supposed to function normally or properly it would exist |
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| 07:37.23 | MESSIAH | Hi. How to install SSL cert on Debian 10 for wildcard website. I tried acme.sh but for wildcard domain is required DNS API - my server don't have access to API for change DNS |
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| 07:42.20 | bolt | MESSIAH: This is really a question about your DNS provider. AFAIK you can't do letsencrypt wildcards without a DNS challenge. |
| 07:44.27 | MESSIAH | I have panel SolusVM as client and I have API but this API is only for simple system action like reboot, shoot down, boot, etc |
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| 07:47.07 | bolt | MESSIAH: those actions also have no relation to DNS... |
| 07:48.05 | MESSIAH | Why Letsencrypt required DNS changing? It's security reason? |
| 07:48.10 | jelly | either buy a wildcard cert, or use a LetsEncrypt client to issue separate certs for every site and app you have |
| 07:48.18 | bolt | MESSIAH: Perhaps consider switching DNS provider? Your domain's DNS doesn't have to be the same company that acts as your domain registrar or your VM host |
| 07:49.16 | MESSIAH | My registrar is OVH and hosting is a small company |
| 07:49.17 | bolt | MESSIAH: Changing your DNS is one of the ways you can prove you have complete control over the domain and what it's allowed to point to. Changing a single webside on a subdomain does not. That you can put a file on foo.example.com in no way proves you control bar.example.com, or baz.example.com which hasn't even been made yet. |
| 07:49.49 | bolt | MESSIAH: https://certbot-dns-ovh.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ |
| 07:50.29 | bolt | MESSIAH: just search for "ovh dns api letsencrypt" or any similar combination of keywords |
| 07:50.35 | jelly | your DNS provider seems to have an API to set and update DNS records automatically, and the above is a plugin for a different LE client |
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| 07:51.33 | MESSIAH | I'm always changing DNS entry on my hosting so can I do this in OVH? |
| 07:52.03 | jelly | that's a question for OVH but it looks like at least some of OVH's customers can do that. |
| 07:52.31 | bolt | depends who your DNS provider is. it's often the same as your registrar, but it doesn't have to be |
| 07:53.20 | MESSIAH | OK. How to verify dns entry for test in OVH? |
| 07:53.25 | jelly | to find out where your dns is right now: dig domain.example.org NS |
| 07:54.33 | MESSIAH | DNS is on my server |
| 07:54.41 | jelly | MESSIAH, if OVH is also your DNS provider, you will have to read OVH docs or ask support on how to use their API |
| 07:55.54 | jelly | MESSIAH, if you control DNS server yourself you don't need an api |
| 07:56.39 | jelly | automate adding/changing records using command line tools, that's a sort of an API |
| 07:57.51 | jelly | details will depend on the actual dns software used. If you have bind9 you can set up nsupdate. |
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| 10:56.09 | jelly | is there a command that will indiscriminately delete either a file or an empty directory, without doing recursion? |
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| 10:57.32 | jelly | so, not rm -r; something like unlink(2)... oh, there's an unlink(1) |
| 10:57.33 | jelly | thanks |
| 10:58.20 | themill | unlink(1) doesn't remove directories, does it? |
| 10:59.35 | themill | "rm -d" is your frient |
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| 11:02.58 | ratrace | TIL |
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| 11:46.37 | Sepultura | what is the pendent of Active Directory for Linux? |
| 11:46.47 | Sepultura | what would a Linux Office use? |
| 11:46.52 | Sepultura | a pure Linux office |
| 11:48.38 | jelly | FreeIPA ? |
| 11:49.32 | jelly | it depends on which part of AD you need to replace, is it kerberos SSO, user management, I don't know whether there's anything like GPOs (unless you maybe count sudoers) |
| 11:50.01 | jelly | computer/device management? |
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| 11:51.45 | jelly | you can also have actual AD running on Samba4, but you need Windows tools to manage it, probably |
| 11:53.42 | themill | probably ldap with some sort of clicky frontend on it (gosa or lemonldap come to mind). Most people generally end up running away screaming when then have to deal with ldap, but that's also true of AD... |
| 11:54.35 | Johann | Sepultura: there is no eral pendent to active directory for linux, it would be a collection of tools depending on what you are trying to achieve |
| 11:54.42 | Johann | s/eral/real |
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| 12:11.06 | Sepultura | Johann, what would be the tool for portable User accounts? So "MyUserAccount" can log on every Office PC |
| 12:13.41 | gry | Ldap? |
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| 12:35.04 | jelly | wonders whether freeipa is packaged for debian |
| 12:35.48 | jelly | freeipa-server is only present in sid |
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| 12:40.45 | Johann | Sepultura: ldap, plus nfs for centralized home for example, byt there is no all in one solution as AD is |
| 12:41.04 | Johann | at leaest, not that I know but there s a lot ii don't know :) |
| 12:42.32 | jelly | profiles cached to local disk would be nice instead of using homes from nfs directly |
| 12:43.40 | Johann | "can log on every offiice pc", if people switch computer often having to recreate preferences and lose files each time is not very useable, again, it all depends on what's the goal. |
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| 12:47.55 | johndoe | what's a simple way of running an https server just serving the contents of the current directory (don't care about security, just prototyping stuff) |
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| 12:48.13 | johndoe | I know I can do "python3 -m http.server 8080", but that's only http |
| 12:48.23 | nevivurn | ah, was about to recommend exactly that |
| 12:50.01 | johndoe | maybe I can wrap that with something else to make it https? hrmm |
| 12:50.06 | nevivurn | johndoe: not debian-specific, but ngrok + `python -m http.server` may work |
| 12:50.09 | Johann | johndoe: https://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html you can create a small https server but it requires some more line of code |
| 12:50.40 | H4ndy | https is a bit difficult for local deployment |
| 12:50.58 | H4ndy | you need to handle self-signed certs on server and client side |
| 12:51.10 | nevivurn | If your local machine is available, has a domain pointing to it and all, then I'd set up a simple "proper" https server and change its configuration to forward to some local server (python -m http.server) when needed. |
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| 12:55.05 | hwm4rgs | johndoe: I like using caddy for things like that. It generates its own (untrusted) certificates automatically, and serves cwd by default. |
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| 12:57.41 | nevivurn | The thing with caddy is that it does shady stuff like messing with your local trust sture. |
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| 12:59.15 | ratrace | johndoe: can still use http.server https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19705785/python-3-simple-https-server |
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| 12:59.40 | ratrace | otherwise, nginx is really simple to set up |
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| 13:58.26 | MESSIAH | Hi. Can I controll DNS entries in my registrar OVH not in hosting provider? |
| 14:00.03 | ratrace | MESSIAH: you'll have to rephrase, your question is unclear. |
| 14:01.21 | MESSIAH | OK I need controlling DNS in OVH not in host server. Actually if I need change or add DNS entry then I need do that in my hosting provider |
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| 14:03.43 | jelly | ratrace, this started in the morning when they wanted to set up a wildcard LetsEncrypt cert, but LE only allowed that over DNS-01 protocol |
| 14:04.23 | ratrace | I see. |
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| 15:37.40 | unborn | clear |
| 15:37.42 | unborn | ups |
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| 15:43.50 | shashdisco | I've got myself some old debin/control files, and i'm wondering about the "< is deprecated"... should I replace it with < or <= ? |
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| 15:53.10 | sney | shashdisco: #packaging or #debian-mentors (both on OFTC, not here) would be more likely to have those answers for you. |
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| 15:55.10 | shashdisco | idk if i can make webchat.freenode.net join those though |
| 15:55.55 | sney | oftc.net has a web chat too. |
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| 15:58.48 | dka | To use my Synology NAS to Wake on LAN (WOL) a linux debian server, 1) do I need a dedicated ethernet card for it connected between the NAS and the server ? 2) do I need to configure anything on the debian server ? 3) does the cable need a crossover cable ? |
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| 16:01.18 | sney | 1) no, WoL works on a regular switched network 2) yes, in the ethernet card's firmware. usually ctrl-s or similar after POST, or somewhere in the EFI, as well as in /etc/network/interfaces; see https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan 3) no |
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| 16:03.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | how does nfs handle incomplete files? |
| 16:03.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | say a file is still being copies to a nfs server and a cron job wants to move it somewhere? |
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| 16:11.52 | dka | sney , the NAS is having 4 ethernet slots |
| 16:12.08 | dka | do I need to connect the debian server to it ? or directly to the ISP switch ? |
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| 16:32.06 | sney | dka: google tells me those are aggregated ports, so it doesn't matter which one you use, just connect the nas to your network normally and you will be able to use whatever WoL it supports |
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| 16:36.44 | dka | ok |
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| 17:39.38 | zapatista | Hey there!... I did something stupid. I was trying to install nvidia driver. I removed nouveau driver, blacklisted it and updated kernel issuing update-initramfs -u command. |
| 17:40.04 | zapatista | When I rebooted surprise suprise there is no video output after the initial boot menu. |
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| 17:41.00 | zapatista | I believe there is no video driver installed. Is there a method to temporarily load/install a legacy video driver during the boot? |
| 17:44.09 | ratrace | zapatista: how did you blacklist nouveau |
| 17:44.41 | bolt | zapatista: try booting in single user mode and undo the "damage"? |
| 17:45.11 | shtrb | no more single mode with systemd :-( |
| 17:45.21 | greycat | sure there is. |
| 17:45.37 | ratrace | init=/bin/bash |
| 17:45.45 | greycat | well yes, there's also that, if you need the nuclear option |
| 17:45.55 | bolt | only way to be sure |
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| 17:46.46 | zapatista | There is a command like blacklist nouveau options nouveau modeset=0 placed in a file. |
| 17:47.25 | ratrace | if that blacklist is in modprobe.d/ then systemd booting would be affected by it, won't it? so you need to unblock nouveau |
| 17:47.39 | ratrace | btw.... installing nvidia-driver _does_ that already, there's no need to be messin' with manual blacklists |
| 17:47.54 | greycat | There's a pretty good chance you could get normal console interaction if you just boot with multi-user.target |
| 17:48.14 | greycat | which is roughly equivalent to "run level 2 on red hat", no display manager |
| 17:48.22 | zapatista | But the nvidia driver did not do the black list thing in my case. |
| 17:50.41 | ratrace | zapatista: it should've if you installed the regular debian package |
| 17:51.32 | zapatista | I found a *.run file on Nvidia server and that thing did not black listed nor installed the driver. |
| 17:51.46 | zapatista | Maybe I should use the packages as you said. |
| 17:52.18 | ratrace | as I said, the regular debian package does all the work. if you installed from third party .run file, you messed it up, and that wouldn't add any modprobe.d blacklists, no |
| 17:54.03 | zapatista | Now how do you suggest I should act. The disks are encrypted LVM and I cannot reach them to unloack them since I cannot see them on the screen. |
| 17:54.10 | zapatista | Now I am locked out of the system. |
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| 17:55.15 | ratrace | zapatista: try getting into multi-user.target as greycat suggested. add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to the kernel command line via grub, boot, then remove the modprobe.d blacklist, update-initramfs -u for good measure |
| 17:55.28 | ratrace | something tells me that should be enough as the driver is not needed for the console |
| 17:55.57 | zapatista | I shall try it. |
| 17:56.52 | ratrace | when you reboot back into normal system (with nouveau), the .run file should have an uninstall action or something that _should_ in theory clean out the mess it caused. then enable the non-free repo and install nvidia-driver package |
| 17:56.59 | shtrb | zapatista, you should never use .run files. |
| 17:57.15 | sney | the 'nvidia-installer-cleanup' package in debian cleans up the nvidia installer's mess. |
| 17:57.36 | sney | iirc it's a recommend for nvidia-driver so it'll come in regardless/automatically |
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| 17:59.10 | ratrace | oh, good |
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| 18:12.25 | yanmaani | Is there any difference in speed between having X GB of memory for cache, and mounting a X gb partition in RAM? |
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| 18:12.54 | yanmaani | If you put in say 20 GB of RAM and let the kernel use that for cache, will your system be any slower than if you manually mount / as ramdisk? |
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| 18:13.36 | sney | probably negligible, but try it |
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| 18:13.47 | yanmaani | don't have that much ram, just curious |
| 18:14.11 | yanmaani | I imagine boot would be faster? Or will it preload everything it can into cache before first use? |
| 18:14.29 | greycat | Just get an SSD. |
| 18:14.50 | shtrb | yanmaani, there is a benifit to use with zram , but if you can you better get an ssd |
| 18:14.57 | yanmaani | Isn't SSD slower? |
| 18:15.00 | sney | ram is ram, and linux has always been good at caching any kind of i/o. it's hard to be sure what would happen in theory, but I don't think either approach would be significantly better than the other |
| 18:15.37 | shtrb | yanmaani, you could also check out optane cards |
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| 18:17.24 | greycat | The notion of reading the entire file system into a RAM disk at boot, rather than just letting the kernel cache everything after it's actually used once, is kinda silly. That's why nobody does it. |
| 18:18.30 | greycat | you're just delaying boot to read the stuff that'll *never* be used, like the bulgarian translation of the emacs documentation |
| 18:19.10 | greycat | (substitute whatever other language, if you actually have Bulgarian users) |
| 18:20.44 | shtrb | lol |
| 18:21.54 | sney | my hypervisor loads its whole self into ram and runs from there. that's a fairly specialized use though. for a regular computer, if you want a fast disk, just get a fast disk. I think nvmes are the current hotness for that. |
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| 18:28.06 | quiznilo | ohh busy channel... what does everybody use for 'unetbootin' writing a LiveUSB in a Debian world? |
| 18:28.32 | diogenes_ | quiznilo, cp |
| 18:28.33 | quiznilo | E: Unable to locate package unetbootin |
| 18:28.41 | quiznilo | yeah, no, not for a liveCD |
| 18:28.43 | greycat | Debian ISO images are hybrid, meaning they work on CDs or USB sticks. You just use dd or cp to write it to the USB stick. |
| 18:28.44 | quiznilo | dd mebbe |
| 18:28.53 | alex11 | unetbootin isn't good to use, either use cp or win32diskimager or dd or rufus in dd mode |
| 18:28.59 | yanmaani | quiznilo: `sudo dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=32M` |
| 18:29.11 | quiznilo | clever.. .thanks gents |
| 18:29.26 | quiznilo | 'cp' works? |
| 18:29.27 | yanmaani | alt: pv /path/to/image.iso | sudo dd of=/dev/sdX bs=32M |
| 18:29.41 | yanmaani | (`sudo apt-get install pv` first) |
| 18:29.41 | greycat | Yes, cp works, just like it says in the Debian install guide. |
| 18:31.50 | sney | running 'cp file.iso /dev/sdX' isn't h4x0r enough though, I gotta use dd with like 3 unnecessary options |
| 18:32.08 | dvs | glares at sney |
| 18:32.13 | sney | lol |
| 18:32.19 | jmcnaught | pv debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 18:33.04 | quiznilo | well, in fairness, I'm not working with 'debian.iso' |
| 18:33.08 | quiznilo | this is 'mint.iso' |
| 18:33.10 | greycat | I knew it. |
| 18:33.17 | quiznilo | Debian is my HOST! |
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| 18:33.24 | greycat | Well, not the mint part. I assumed it was a pirated Windows image. |
| 18:33.31 | quiznilo | heh no |
| 18:33.35 | quiznilo | I'm deleting windows |
| 18:33.38 | sney | mint is a derivative, so chances are good that their images are hybrid like debian's, but you'd have to ask them. we have no idea. |
| 18:33.39 | greycat | Go ask the mint support people how to write the mint installer to your hardware. |
| 18:37.03 | quiznilo | dd works |
| 18:37.26 | quiznilo | I was just curious because it looked like unetbootin was abandoned on Debian |
| 18:37.28 | ratrace | dd, cp, pv, hell even cat will do! |
| 18:37.51 | dvs | that's 1337! |
| 18:37.54 | quiznilo | yeah |
| 18:38.09 | sney | unetbootin is for converting optical isos to work with flash memory. debian (and apparently some derivative) isos don't need to be converted, so unetbootin is unnecessary |
| 18:38.15 | quiznilo | I don't do this a lot, I have to keep reading how to do it every other year or so |
| 18:38.24 | sney | it's obsolete basically |
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| 18:39.03 | quiznilo | fair enough |
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| 19:34.27 | nickgaw | Hi, How can I setup apt tools to always run weith the -q option and then after downloading dpkgs and installing them automatically clean up the cache as apt.conf manual page does not really help? |
| 19:36.10 | greycat | if you use apt instead of apt-get, you get the "automatically delete the .deb files" feature |
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| 19:36.30 | nickgaw | ok what about the quiet option? |
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| 19:37.22 | greycat | the man page says "Configuration Item: quiet" so there should be a way to insert that somewhere in the apt.conf* files, but good luck finding the documentation that's actually human-readable |
| 19:38.34 | greycat | there's a small example at the top of apt.conf, so maybe you can try something like: |
| 19:38.37 | greycat | quiet "true"; |
| 19:38.46 | greycat | since the quiet option has no :: hierarchy stuff in it |
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| 19:42.08 | nickgaw | That is my point so automatically apt will automatically clean up archives once they are installed what about an option for everytime it runs doing an apt update to update the package cache can this be done?? |
| 19:42.34 | greycat | ... what? you want to delete the *lists* that you got from "apt update"? no. |
| 19:42.43 | greycat | that would be ridiculous |
| 19:42.54 | nickgaw | I added that option and now no percentages hapeen when I did an apt update is that what should happen with the quiet option? |
| 19:43.06 | greycat | so it worked? yay. |
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| 19:49.35 | zapatista | I think there is more to it in my problem. Even if I add multi-user option to boot string, I still have no video output after the boot menu. Now I use a live cd to manually mount encrypted lvm volumes and and copy the home directory to another disk for good measure and shall remove the blacklist from the /etc/ folder. |
| 19:50.20 | greycat | how about with init=/bin/bash ? |
| 19:50.54 | zapatista | did not try it because you said "nuke". |
| 19:51.01 | zapatista | Yes I am a chicken shit. |
| 19:51.05 | zapatista | :-D |
| 19:51.14 | greycat | !i forgot root's password |
| 19:51.15 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 19:51.22 | greycat | Basically that, just without the "passwd" stuff. |
| 19:52.17 | zapatista | I know. But I shall backup everything because I am doing stupid things nowadays. |
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| 21:32.36 | dka | I have a USB USDPA 7.2Mbps Wireless Data Card that accept my sim card, I want to use with linux debian to send SMS, where should I start please? |
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| 21:37.29 | dka | This is my device : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05c6:1000 Qualcomm, Inc. Mass Storage Device |
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| 21:40.29 | yanmaani | Is it possible to use zswap without using 'normal' swap? |
| 21:41.14 | yanmaani | or will I want zram? |
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| 21:44.55 | ws2k3 | im having a pretty weird issue. the mount command returns nothing... just an emty newline |
| 21:47.09 | greycat | the bot doesn't have factoids for either one... I suspect they are not very popular |
| 21:47.54 | nvz | dka: if its showing up as a mass storage device its probably one of those things that is multifunction which means you need some way to make it change to the right function first |
| 21:48.24 | greycat | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zswap says "The difference compared to zram is that zswap works in conjunction with a swap device while zram is a swap device in RAM that does not require a backing swap device." |
| 21:48.28 | nvz | because one thing I'm sure of you can't send SMS with a mass storage device |
| 21:49.26 | n4dir | ws2k3: assuming i understand what you are saying: that is what mount does if it completed with success |
| 21:49.28 | nvz | ,file bin/usb_modeswitch |
| 21:49.32 | judd | Search for bin/usb_modeswitch in buster/amd64: usb-modeswitch: usr/sbin/usb_modeswitch |
| 21:49.42 | n4dir | and many tools do it like that |
| 21:49.53 | nvz | n4dir: no its not, the mount command without arguments shows roughly the equiv of /etc/mtab |
| 21:50.02 | ws2k3 | n4dir: i would expect it to show all mounted file systems |
| 21:50.22 | n4dir | ah. as i said: assuming i understand what you say |
| 21:50.49 | nvz | dka: first thing I'd do is install usb-modeswitch and see if you can get that modem to act like a modem |
| 21:52.42 | nvz | dka: postings as recent as 2.5 years ago many users had issues just getting it to switch modes, but after you get it to switch modes it should show up like a serial modem, then you gotta figure out the dialing sequence and will need something like wvdial or such |
| 21:54.17 | dka | ok |
| 21:54.23 | dka | can I see the post you are looking at? |
| 21:54.49 | nvz | I just googled that pciid you gave and the word linux, I haven't really looked at any of the results.. only the dates :P |
| 21:55.04 | nvz | I've used such devices before they're kinda a PITA |
| 21:56.29 | nvz | the results of googling "05c6:1000 linux" are only really useful if usb_modswitch from usb-modswitch doesnt work out of the box |
| 21:56.47 | nvz | if modeswitching works, then you should get a whole new usbid for the device |
| 21:56.54 | nvz | and THAT is the device id you wanna look up |
| 21:57.28 | nvz | the device you got in there now is never going to work because its a thumbdrive, not a 3G/4G modem |
| 21:58.23 | nvz | afaik the only reason to put a thumbdrive on a modem is to provide drivers on the device itself |
| 21:59.01 | nvz | so I'd try mounting the device and see whats on it before I go modeswitching just in case it may have something useful |
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| 22:03.16 | nvz | I also learned from experience that these devices often need to be provisioned like cell phones and you have to be on the native network to do that.. I once had one sent to me and it was verizon and the nearest verizon tower was miles away.. I had to drive over state lines to get it to work initially, then it roamed with ease |
| 22:06.54 | ws2k3 | n4dir: it looks like debian is not using/reading the fstab |
| 22:08.18 | n4dir | as said, i misunderstood your problem. No clue why that might happen |
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| 22:10.19 | nvz | fstab has nothing at all to do with that issue |
| 22:10.31 | nvz | fstab knows absolutely nothing what so ever about what filesystems are mounted |
| 22:11.06 | nvz | such things are in /etc/mtab or /proc/mounts |
| 22:11.32 | tomreyn | the latter would depend on a mounted file system, though |
| 22:11.33 | nvz | idk which it typically uses when mount is ran without arguments but I know with absolute certainty its not fstab |
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| 22:13.01 | nvz | one could figure out this, as well as debug this issue by using strace |
| 22:14.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.09 | nvz | I'd try other similar commands like df, lsblk, etc.. see if they show mounted filesystems |
| 22:15.21 | nvz | and strace to get more information |
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| 22:17.34 | nvz | I'd also of course try accessing /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab |
| 22:17.57 | ws2k3 | nvz: when i run mount -o remount,rw / then / is writeable just fine |
| 22:18.28 | nvz | wait, are you booted in some odd way like with init=/bin/bash ? |
| 22:18.39 | nvz | or in a chroot or something |
| 22:18.56 | ws2k3 | nvz: no the machine boots fine. but once booted its read only |
| 22:19.43 | nvz | yeah, its suppose to be.. it gets remounted after it passes a check typically |
| 22:21.50 | nvz | is it even booting to the actual rootfs or are you still in initrd prior to a pivot_root? |
| 22:22.30 | ws2k3 | nvz: its booting the actual rootfs |
| 22:22.48 | nvz | shrugs |
| 22:24.00 | nvz | if the original issue is that its booting normally to a login and rootfs is still read-only, I'd forget all the previous suggestions as you're diagnosing from the wrong end worrying about mounted filesystems |
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| 22:24.21 | nvz | I'd look in dmesg or journalctl -k for hardware errors related to the disk, perform an fsck on the rootfs, etc. |
| 22:25.47 | nvz | I'd also check your fstab for anything out of the ordinary, and it'd be a good a time as any to mention anything odd you've done since this occured.. installing a non-debian-stable kernel, fooling with grub or such.. |
| 22:26.18 | nvz | or if this is in any way not a standard bare-metal system |
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| 22:35.20 | ws2k3 | its a vm not bare metal system. but i will keep search thx so far |
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| 23:21.31 | yanmaani | Possible to resize zram swap while in use? |
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| 23:35.41 | nvz | I'd imagine its subject to the same restrictions as any swap device.. you can make more and add them.. but other than that.. |
| 23:35.56 | nvz | you'd have to flush your cache back, turn them off.. etc |
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| 23:46.41 | yanmaani | hm, I guess I could just dump another device in there |
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| 23:46.55 | yanmaani | does zram/swap prioritize based on compression ratio? |
| 23:46.59 | yanmaani | And why isn't it on by default? |
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| 23:54.31 | phogg | it's not something everyone will always want |
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| 23:55.10 | yanmaani | Isn't it strictly better? |
| 23:55.22 | yanmaani | Considering it can use the freed up ram for disk cache |
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