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| 00:31.28 | yanmaani | If I want to resize my swap, do I need to just do swapoff, swapon, or do I need to remove it too? |
| 00:32.31 | yanmaani | (zram swap) |
| 00:32.57 | sponix | yanmaani: not sure what a zram swap is. But normal swap it depends on if you are using a swap file, or swap partition |
| 00:33.08 | yanmaani | It's a block device |
| 00:33.20 | yanmaani | If I make the block device bigger, will swapon recognize that? |
| 00:33.54 | sponix | yanmaani: sure :) |
| 00:34.11 | sponix | you will want to swapoff, do the change, then swapon |
| 00:34.14 | yanmaani | cause mkswap (optionally) takes a size param |
| 00:34.22 | yanmaani | that's not of importance? |
| 00:34.34 | sponix | oh yeah.. mkswap is likely needed too :) |
| 00:34.44 | yanmaani | I've done mkswap once |
| 00:34.50 | yanmaani | Can I just do it again? |
| 00:34.53 | sponix | just don't give mkswap a size, leave it |
| 00:34.57 | yanmaani | with the same label |
| 00:35.02 | yanmaani | or do I need to run like rmswap |
| 00:35.18 | sponix | yanmaani: swapoff, change block dev, mkswap on it, then swapon |
| 00:35.27 | sponix | I didn't even know rmswap existed :P |
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| 00:35.31 | yanmaani | doesn't |
| 00:35.41 | yanmaani | thanks |
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| 01:21.27 | yanmaani | How come normal swap isn't compressed? |
| 01:23.29 | sponix | yanmaani: because swap is supposed to be fast, so that compression would add overhead |
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| 01:35.56 | yanmaani | not necessarily |
| 01:36.06 | yanmaani | if the CPU isn't maxed out, then you'll have less to write to disk |
| 01:36.22 | yanmaani | if it takes 0.1s to compress something, but this allows you to write it in 0.3s instead of 0.5s that's a net gain |
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| 01:37.50 | sponix | seems you should be Asking Microsoft to help you out with "Ready Boost" |
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| 01:42.14 | somiaj | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/vm/zswap.html -- the fact the kernel team still seems to call zswap experimential might relate to why it is not default or widely used. |
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| 03:11.10 | wikan | hello |
| 03:11.27 | wikan | I have problems with Pulseaudio server |
| 03:11.32 | wikan | two problems |
| 03:12.07 | wikan | first one is not so much important because I do not relogin very often... actually almost never but... |
| 03:12.24 | wikan | ...PulseAudio server stops working after relogin |
| 03:12.41 | wikan | pavucontrol says "Estabilishing connection to PulseAudio" |
| 03:13.15 | torchinz | Hi. I am getting a Kernel module failure at boot (Debian Buster). Following the error, I checked the systemctl and got this: https://pastebin.com/XLSk6Cbv |
| 03:13.56 | wikan | and other problem is that I always must open pavucontrol after I login to change output device because the default one is speaker but I have headphones connected all the time and pulse can't see it to change by self (Unplugged) |
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| 03:15.44 | wikan | and this problems is only Pulse problem, without Pulse (uninstalled) alsa works fine |
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| 03:16.42 | sponix | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting |
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| 03:21.09 | wikan | hmmm, thanks sponix. It seems I can autostart pulse ;) |
| 03:22.28 | sponix | torchinz: gotta be honestly with you. That log didn't say anything to me. might check syslog or dmesg and see if anything stands out there |
| 03:22.59 | sponix | torchinz: and is it just this message bothering you, or is there specific module(s) that aren't loading that you _need_ ? |
| 03:23.48 | torchinz | sponix, sorry about that. Since the system boots up fine, I do not see any issues here. However, in addition to the above log, the nvidia.persistence does not start up either. |
| 03:24.50 | sponix | torchinz: I have Zero ideas what a nvidia.persistence is supposed to be |
| 03:25.08 | sponix | torchinz: are your Nvidia graphics drivers working ? |
| 03:25.40 | torchinz | sponix, I ran sudo dmesg and got this: https://pastebin.com/F0mZU7NH |
| 03:27.50 | sponix | torchinz: from what you can tell is everything "working okay" ? |
| 03:28.00 | sponix | torchinz: seems you might just be new to Linux |
| 03:28.25 | wikan | this error looks like all errors I see on boot :) |
| 03:29.31 | sponix | Linux is very verbose. The information it displays often worries people. Most I can say is, If it isn't Truly Broken -- quit trying to fix it :) |
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| 03:48.51 | alex11 | what does [ 0.259430] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored mean in dmesg? |
| 03:49.01 | alex11 | i don't imagine it's serious |
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| 03:56.43 | sponix | alex11: seems safely ignored |
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| 04:08.32 | somiaj | alex11: firmware is terrible at compling to standards and is often buggy in terms of that, that is just the kernel saying hey firmware is buggy, but it has been dealt with. |
| 04:09.04 | somiaj | acpi (and the old apm) is esiplically non standard across firmwares |
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| 06:52.56 | Unit193 | `seq` and `rename`? |
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| 07:21.40 | jelly | the perl variant of rename ought to be smart enough to do it on its own |
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| 07:23.18 | jelly | Unit193, rename -n '$::i++; $_ = sprintf("%03d", $::i) . $_' some files here ($::i because $i is in local scope otherwise) |
| 07:26.15 | Unit193 | Ah, nice. |
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| 07:28.34 | jelly | I can't take credit, couldn't remember $::foo on my own https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8257032/perls-rename-how-to-append-a-counter |
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| 07:32.45 | Wulf | Good Morning. Is there a tool to list all files in /usr which are not part of any installed package? |
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| 07:35.41 | Unit193 | ...Well, not a tool but this might sort of get you started: sudo find /usr/ -type f -exec dpkg -S {} + 2>&1 | grep "no path found" | grep -ve pyc |
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| 07:40.22 | shtrb | Anyone here using sipe with teams , and can share if they can work with office365 and what application ? |
| 07:41.16 | jelly | does that work at all? I use the official teams client |
| 07:41.46 | shtrb | it seem to send the message , over sip , sometimes I get the answer and sometimes I don't |
| 07:42.19 | shtrb | jelly, what "offical" app are you using , flatpak , snap , some obs repository ? |
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| 07:43.01 | shtrb | jelly, for me it worked by using "sipdir.online.lync.com:443" as server and "UCCAPI/15.0.4420.1017 OC/15.0.4420.1017 (Microsoft Lync)" as the UA in pidgin |
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| 07:43.08 | shtrb | ,v teams |
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| 07:43.47 | kale | do you guys know of a network documentation tool. i am thinking something like defining devices and their NICs and what they are connected to? |
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| 07:45.06 | rockworld | can someone tell me if virbr0 interfaces need to be set in the interface files to work on virtmanager? |
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| 07:45.14 | shtrb | rockworld, no |
| 07:45.37 | rockworld | shtrb: alright thank you |
| 07:45.46 | kale | rockworld: i have the bridge it self defined, but not the virtual nics |
| 07:46.06 | shtrb | rockworld, but the virt* should start properly (it would be auto raised / removed by the proper services) |
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| 07:46.58 | jelly | shtrb, the electron app is not free, .deb downloadable from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/microsoft-teams/download-app#desktopAppDownloadregion |
| 07:47.09 | jelly | it sets up its own repo afterwards |
| 07:47.24 | rockworld | ok cause my debian 10 virtual machine doesnt have internet access when I do install on bridge mode |
| 07:47.40 | shtrb | jelly, thanks ! |
| 07:47.49 | rockworld | and I have 2 interfaces card aswell but Im wondering if I should try with the others |
| 07:48.05 | shtrb | rockworld, you have several network types , if you are connected to a host only there will be no internet access by the vm |
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| 07:48.38 | rockworld | hum ok |
| 07:48.56 | shtrb | jelly, did you find how to integrate team's contact and calendar with your favorite contact/calender tools ? (like ldap , akonadi etc) |
| 07:49.18 | rockworld | Im trying to setup my vm with ovh failover ip using a mac address in macvtap mode |
| 07:49.34 | jelly | shtrb, didn't investigate at all |
| 07:49.50 | rockworld | thats difficult to find support specially on my main language |
| 07:50.09 | kale | rockworld: what is the purpose of the vm? |
| 07:50.56 | rockworld | running a minecraft server |
| 07:51.04 | rockworld | and a website |
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| 07:51.21 | rockworld | thats my objective :) |
| 07:51.33 | kale | ahh, is the failover IP for the web server or for minecraft? or both? |
| 07:51.35 | shtrb | rockworld, what language do you need helpwith , normally it's enough to have #debian-language |
| 07:51.45 | rockworld | failover for the virtual machine |
| 07:52.05 | rockworld | both |
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| 07:52.20 | rockworld | yes I know but better community is here |
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| 07:53.07 | kale | rockworld: for the webserver I would use ha-proxy, i can help you with that, but i have not yet figured out shared PHP sessions, so that part i cannot help with |
| 07:54.12 | kale | for minecraft, I cannot see how you would do it. It runs on a single server, and if it goes down, its down. switching to anoter server is possible, but then it would be another minecraft world. at least from what i know. |
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| 07:55.13 | rockworld | yes but I want the virtual machine to use a different ip in the network |
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| 07:57.13 | kale | rockworld: i use this to create a new virtual machine. that machine gets its own NIC and IP: virt-install --name ${NAME} --memory ${RAM} --disk /dev/${LVM_GROUP}/${LVM_NAME},bus=virtio,format=raw --os-variant ${OS} --network bridge=br0,model=virtio --cdrom ${MEDIA} --graphics ${GRAPHICS_PROTOCOL},listen=${LISTENIP},password=${MYPASSWORD} --noautoconsole --virt-type kvm |
| 07:57.37 | kale | i know you probably use the GUI, but i am not into that, sorry. |
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| 07:58.06 | rockworld | I know its better with the terminal :) |
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| 07:59.03 | rockworld | thats a huge command too |
| 07:59.06 | kale | rockworld: although incomplete, i have my notes here: http://uptime.kallenberg.dk you should be able to find answers to most of your questions here. |
| 07:59.09 | rockworld | I have to figure what its what |
| 08:00.40 | rockworld | thanks for the help |
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| 08:22.58 | grobi | i have a thick fur and by and large i am a positive person who is not knocked off easily :) |
| 08:23.27 | Haohmaru | u wot |
| 08:24.43 | grobi | Haohmaru: sorry i switched the channel accidentely |
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| 08:37.10 | grobi | I can recommend the combination, but everyone will find their own means |
| 08:37.57 | grobi | again... sorry i don't know how that happend |
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| 09:27.26 | wwilly | hi, does the debian installer contains a runnable e2fsck, or something to check an ext4 fs? |
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| 09:29.04 | ratrace | wwilly: try it, you can alt+Fx to another tty |
| 09:29.44 | wwilly | yes I did |
| 09:30.12 | wwilly | the debian installer seems really limited, not even a simple dhcp from this shell? |
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| 09:33.14 | fireba11 | wwilly: if you need to fix things i suggest a live distro like grml |
| 09:33.59 | wwilly | I find my way, should have wait for downloading the diff packages... :) |
| 09:34.25 | wwilly | fireba11, can't, it's on a arm32 board, ubooting from local network |
| 09:34.43 | wwilly | installation on an sdcard at the end |
| 09:35.19 | fireba11 | wwilly: ah, that limits your options somewhat ;-) |
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| 10:32.11 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 10:32.11 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 10:32.39 | jhutchins | wwilly: Really, thousands of people have managed to install it witout issues. |
| 10:33.38 | jelly | installing on weird arm boards always has issues |
| 10:34.17 | jelly | wwilly, the installer actually has lots of stuff but it gets dynamically installed and loaded (usually from the installer menu) |
| 10:34.39 | jelly | (installed within the installer ram disk that is) |
| 10:35.09 | jelly | see if #debian-arm over on OFTC can help |
| 10:35.33 | jelly | you will probably need to register on the irc.oftc.net network |
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| 10:44.16 | jhutchins | Well that's different. I went to distrowatch.com to see just how many installs Debian might claim, and I'm surpprised to see that the "top five" aren't any more. Rather than consolidating to what I thought of as the "major distributions", Linux seems to be fragmenting even farther than it was in the 90's. |
| 10:44.39 | raver | Hi, I've build the current biboumi 8.5 stable Version for Armbian (arm64) via checkinstall. is there a place I can Upload it in case anyone is interested? |
| 10:45.04 | jhutchins | !armbian |
| 10:45.04 | dpkg | Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian on chat.freenode.net |
| 10:46.17 | raver | dpkg, thanks I'll ask there :) |
| 10:46.17 | dpkg | de nada, raver |
| 10:46.53 | petn-randall | heh |
| 10:47.03 | petn-randall | raver: dpkg is a bot. |
| 10:47.27 | raver | yep noticed just after my answer :D |
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| 10:49.31 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 10:49.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:50.59 | Haohmaru | skynet confirmed |
| 10:51.07 | raver | ðï¸ |
| 10:52.44 | jhutchins | On the internet no-one can tell that you're a dog. Let sleeping bots lie. |
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| 11:31.21 | wwilly | jelly, yep I get it. i'm using debian on my board for a while. i was in the installer because of data corruption, tried to recover an ext4 fs from the installer |
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| 11:38.25 | RoyK | wwilly: what sort of storage medium? |
| 11:39.39 | wwilly | sdcard |
| 11:39.59 | wwilly | i'm chatting on #armlinux about this |
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| 11:40.33 | wwilly | he suggest that the sdcard is dead, manage to reach program/erase cycles lifetime |
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| 11:44.39 | RoyK | wwilly: ddrescue is your friend |
| 11:45.09 | RoyK | wwilly: you'll need another medium to store it to, though |
| 11:46.04 | wwilly | RoyK, thanks, I do not really care about the data on it anymore, the board is just a benchmark board, it's only used in a download-run-upload cycle |
| 11:46.20 | wwilly | yep, a new medium :/ |
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| 12:20.59 | jelly | ,v postgresql-client-12 |
| 12:21.10 | jelly | ,v postgresql-client-11 |
| 12:21.18 | jelly | hmm |
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| 12:34.29 | ratrace | that reminds me to upgrade to buster's native 11, I'm still running 10 from dpkg because I migrated via replication from another 10 |
| 12:34.53 | ratrace | but I'm SO MUCH not in the mood to mess with production. ain't broken, ewontfix. |
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| 12:36.05 | jelly | coworker accidentally created a --format=custom dump from their Pg on the workstation, we couldn't pg_restore it to buster |
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| 12:37.16 | ratrace | %s/from dpkg/from pgdg/ |
| 12:38.18 | ratrace | jelly: shim through a temp installation from pgdg? that's what I did but the "temporary" installation is now production for over a year :))) |
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| 12:38.33 | ratrace | I only wanted to replicate, then upgrade to 11.... lol. |
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| 12:40.34 | jelly | nah, it's a tiny db and she's going to do a plain dump |
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| 12:47.14 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to run current Debian on a machine that (on an older OS: Ubuntu 12.04) uses this VGA driver: sisfb https://dpaste.org/BrdH Any idea what current xserver-xorg-video-... Debian package I need to make the video chip work with X? |
| 12:49.10 | azeem | FSVO of "older OS" |
| 12:49.32 | vlt | *ancient OS :D |
| 12:49.37 | ratrace | xserver-xorg-video-fbdev maybe |
| 12:50.07 | vlt | ratrace: That is already installed. |
| 12:50.08 | azeem | also, maybe "nomodeset" |
| 12:50.13 | azeem | !nomodeset |
| 12:50.14 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:50.36 | vlt | tries nomodeset |
| 12:50.39 | ratrace | vlt: the only "sis" related xorg driver is -sisusb with description for it being for the sis usb thing |
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| 12:51.03 | ratrace | your output shows sisfb, so I'm guessing a fb driver is what you need for xorg (as the kernel then does the fb magick) |
| 12:51.49 | vlt | How can I usually find out which package this "sisfb" driver comes from? |
| 12:54.15 | jelly | vlt, how does X fail to work, right now? |
| 12:55.01 | jelly | a kernel driver will come with the kernel package. |
| 12:55.16 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.21 | jelly | says the paste |
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| 12:57.25 | vlt | jelly: It fails to switch to a higher resolution than 1024x768 (or similar). |
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| 12:58.12 | ratrace | maybe your hardwrae isn't capable of higer VESA modes |
| 12:59.19 | vlt | ratrace: Well, it definitely is. I'm sitting right infornt of it @1920x1080. |
| 12:59.27 | vlt | *infront |
| 12:59.49 | ratrace | vlt: then.... what... is the problem? o.O |
| 13:00.27 | vlt | ratrace: Currently it's using sisfb (see https://dpaste.org/BrdH) on Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 13:00.40 | vlt | ratrace: I consider that a problem ;) |
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| 13:01.13 | vlt | switches back to Debian 10 and tries "nomodeset" now |
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| 13:01.36 | ratrace | vlt: okay, so on ubuntu 12.04 it works, but on Debian 10 it refuses to go higer than 1024x768? |
| 13:02.14 | jelly | vlt, does "modinfo sisfb" return something on your debian 10 kernel? |
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| 13:05.44 | vlt | jelly: Zes> http://termbin.com/m6u4a |
| 13:06.10 | vlt | jelly: Sorry, that was supposed to be "Yes: ..." |
| 13:06.36 | jelly | it is possible the same module is still supposed to be used to set up FB and resolutions |
| 13:06.46 | vlt | And the resolution is 1600x1200 (not 1024...) |
| 13:07.05 | jelly | however is the hardware is 10+ years old, the drivers may have deteriorated |
| 13:07.36 | jelly | (noone cares about old GPUs, drivers get broken and lose functionality over the years) |
| 13:07.36 | vlt | Hardware is from 2007, yes. |
| 13:07.48 | jelly | go install Debian 8, see if it works any better. |
| 13:08.10 | vlt | jelly: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 13:08.18 | jelly | or Debian 9, but that might be too new already |
| 13:08.37 | jelly | live isos might be useful to avoid installation |
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| 13:14.14 | vlt | jelly: I'm booting PXE images. |
| 13:15.07 | jelly | ouch, no usb boot? |
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| 13:16.10 | ratrace | 2007 called. they wanna know what's "usb boot". |
| 13:17.33 | vlt | jelly: I have a fleet of 50+ thin clients I'd like to convince to load a more recent base OS (to run xfreerdp on). |
| 13:17.55 | ratrace | (btw, I didn't tell them how well 2020 is going. they did ask tho) |
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| 13:19.05 | jelly | hmm. right, Debian 8 is a good first guess. Might have to go even older but hopefully not |
| 13:19.17 | jelly | and you'll probably have to backport freerdp2 |
| 13:19.44 | jelly | or backport freerdp 1.x with patches, from stretch-lts |
| 13:20.18 | jelly | vlt, if you're VERY lucky that Debian 9 still works on that hw, you might even not have to build anything |
| 13:21.04 | jelly | I _think_ 2007 had usb boot on normal desktops and laptops. Servers would get it around then, or maybe later. |
| 13:21.15 | jelly | usb storage* boot. |
| 13:21.24 | jelly | usb cd boot probably worked. |
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| 13:34.10 | chris_99 | Hi, i'm just wondering i'm using 'dpkg-buildpackage --build=binary' but get 'first block lacks a Source field', but a source field shouldn't be needed for a binary package? |
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| 13:45.47 | themill | chris_99: that's about the syntax of debian/control file; just because you don't want to build a source package doesn't mean the file can be syntactically incorrect. The first stanza must be about the source package and subsequent stanzas must be about the binary package(s). See deb-src-control(5). |
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| 13:50.36 | chris_99 | themill: ah cheers, sorry i hadn't realised you had to have two paragraphs |
| 13:51.42 | themill | np |
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| 14:44.35 | NetTerminalGene | is xorg or wayland reponsible to draw mouse movement? |
| 14:46.05 | ratrace | is a truck or traffic laws responsible for transporting cargo? |
| 14:47.04 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: stop it |
| 14:47.34 | NetTerminalGene | if you don't have answer, stop |
| 14:47.53 | ratrace | stop what? that's what you actually asked. wayland is a protocol, not a piece of software. |
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| 14:48.13 | NetTerminalGene | is wayland responsible to draw mouse movement? |
| 14:48.16 | wyoung | ratrace: No, it is free education and healthcare's fault that gun violence is rampet |
| 14:48.47 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: the compositor is |
| 14:49.12 | NetTerminalGene | does it have connection with wayland? |
| 14:49.26 | wyoung | What is wayland? |
| 14:49.53 | ratrace | if it's a wayland compositor, it does. but you asked a VERY different question originally. you put wayland in an OR relationship with xorg..... |
| 14:50.17 | wyoung | Or xorg? All I know is XFree86 |
| 14:50.46 | wyoung | Is it simiilar? |
| 14:54.46 | wyoung | Hey jim, it isn't nice to ignore people, it is infact quite rude. |
| 14:54.54 | ratrace | wyoung: are you actually asking or just being funny :) |
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| 14:59.58 | jelly | wyoung, we have a separate #debian-offtopic channel for chat. Unless you have a debian question or expertise to provide to others asking questions, best keep quiet in here. |
| 15:00.47 | wyoung | jelly: I have been reading up on xorg, when did Xfree86 disapear? |
| 15:02.10 | jelly | about 15 years ago or so Xorg basically replaced XFree86. How old are you wyoung |
| 15:02.20 | wyoung | jelly: Come on 40 |
| 15:02.25 | wyoung | coming on 40* |
| 15:02.33 | ratrace | kids these days |
| 15:02.34 | jelly | so younger than me |
| 15:02.42 | wyoung | jelly: :( |
| 15:02.58 | jelly | you haven't used Linux in like 15 years, welcome back |
| 15:03.01 | wyoung | I admit I have been using MacOS for longer than I want to admit |
| 15:03.07 | jelly | we have cookies |
| 15:03.12 | jim | wyoung, people don't want to hear about issues from ##linux here |
| 15:03.18 | wyoung | jelly: I thought cookies were banned in EU |
| 15:03.28 | wyoung | jim: What are you about? |
| 15:03.55 | jelly | jim, but we do want to hear IF the user has an actual issue, and they're running Debian |
| 15:03.55 | wyoung | It was an issue with Jim I was having, not ##Linux |
| 15:04.15 | wyoung | jelly: I use buster sometimes |
| 15:04.21 | wyoung | in Docker though |
| 15:04.22 | jim | jelly, yes |
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| 15:04.44 | ratrace | wyoung: and if you use gnome and have a fairly.... open.... gpu driver, you're using its wayland compositor too! so no xorg there either :) |
| 15:05.14 | wyoung | ratrace: Intel NUC uses AMD GPUs these days,so I am using that one on one of my PCs |
| 15:05.20 | ratrace | (actually there is xorg, and xwayland, but you're primarily using the wayland proto) |
| 15:05.39 | ratrace | navi ftw |
| 15:05.46 | Haohmaru | (what's next, waylorg?) |
| 15:06.10 | jelly | I don't know what I'm primarily using, whether it's wayland native or Xwayland, so... it works well enough. |
| 15:06.31 | jelly | but I'm not on a Debian desktop right now /me hides |
| 15:06.32 | wyoung | ratrace: I was suprised that an Intel created product uses an AMD video chipset, it has to be saying something |
| 15:06.41 | Haohmaru | how dare u jelly |
| 15:07.57 | ratrace | wyoung: they're very much aware of their own product flaws, just dont' wanna admit it |
| 15:07.58 | ratrace | jelly: lemme guess..... a mac |
| 15:07.58 | jelly | wyoung, I was not joking about Debian questions and chat and #debian-offtopic |
| 15:07.58 | jelly | casual chat about NUC -> #debian-offtopic |
| 15:07.58 | wyoung | jelly: Oh? I was discussing Intel and AMD, they still fund and donate to the debian project right? |
| 15:08.09 | jelly | keep it to tech support in here, and not-tech-support there |
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| 15:08.37 | jelly | pretty please. I don't have time to scroll thru chat, but I sometimes find time to help people with actual issues. |
| 15:08.47 | wyoung | Sure. so, technially speaking, who are Debian's contributors these days? |
| 15:09.02 | jelly | sighs |
| 15:09.11 | Haohmaru | tonz of folkz |
| 15:09.29 | ratrace | lol.... "technically speaking". I actually lol'd. bravo. |
| 15:09.48 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/devel/people |
| 15:10.02 | jelly | those guys |
| 15:10.38 | wyoung | CHeers, I'll check it out. How about those yaml issues in debian a few months ago. Why is yaml so exploitable for? Is it debian related only? Or just in general? |
| 15:10.41 | jim | the devil people! fear! |
| 15:11.12 | jelly | wyoung, don't be coy. Ask if you have an ACTUAL ISSUE. |
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| 15:11.36 | Haohmaru | takes cover /o |
| 15:11.53 | chakpapa | I am getting "can't read superblock on" error while mounting a f2fs formatted device. Any solutions? |
| 15:11.57 | jim | (sorry folks, first and last comment) wyoung, you're unbanned on ##linux |
| 15:12.33 | wyoung | jelly: Well that is my issue. I use debian buster and my exploit scanner went nuts last month due to YAML |
| 15:13.50 | ratrace | you said you used buster _sometimes_ and in docker |
| 15:13.54 | jelly | wyoung, still not an actionable questions, what does "went nuts" mean in terms of actual output |
| 15:14.47 | jelly | if you need to find out whether a CVE is fixed, you can look it up on |
| 15:14.49 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 15:14.49 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 15:14.49 | dijong_ | http://sbah.sdf.org/ |
| 15:14.49 | jelly | !tracker |
| 15:14.49 | dijong_ | http://sbah.sdf.org/ |
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| 15:16.00 | ratrace | ducks for the kick |
| 15:16.13 | *** kick/#debian [dijong_!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly] by jelly (if you're not a bot, disable that ! response in #debian, and ask in #debian-ops for an unban) |
| 15:16.23 | wyoung | jelly: as in higher than 2 on the high severity scale. |
| 15:16.40 | wyoung | CVE |
| 15:16.59 | jelly | wyoung, sorry, no idea what you're talking about unless you provide actual output, preferably in a text pastebin |
| 15:17.12 | wyoung | jelly: You promote ads? |
| 15:17.15 | Haohmaru | he made that up.. |
| 15:17.20 | wyoung | you meant dpaste right/. |
| 15:17.26 | Haohmaru | IMO he doesn't have a question |
| 15:17.35 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:17.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 15:17.56 | jelly | Haohmaru, no shit |
| 15:18.04 | wyoung | Haohmaru: I asked 2 questions with the answer being it isn't a question :/ Sounds like you are trolling ,e |
| 15:18.07 | wyoung | me* |
| 15:18.23 | wyoung | I used a question mark and everything |
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| 15:19.38 | jelly | waste my time, sure, a bit, but don't involve other regulars |
| 15:19.51 | Haohmaru | who's the other regular? |
| 15:19.54 | jelly | YOU |
| 15:20.02 | Haohmaru | i'm just a n00b |
| 15:20.10 | jelly | you're a regular noob |
| 15:20.12 | ratrace | how do you "request a leave" vs kick? |
| 15:20.25 | jelly | /quote REMOVE #channel nick |
| 15:20.54 | jelly | not sure if ircd-seven extension or what |
| 15:20.55 | ratrace | oh chanserv does that. k, thanks. |
| 15:21.02 | Haohmaru | "remove" .. or "REMOVE" for extra rage |
| 15:21.03 | Haohmaru | ;P~ |
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| 15:21.40 | Haohmaru | /quote would be an irc client built-in for sending the following stuff directly to the server |
| 15:21.55 | ratrace | yeah from what I read it's Freenode specific |
| 15:22.15 | Haohmaru | basically it'd be /remove #channel nick, but your client may happen to have a built-in /remove .. so /quote or /raw |
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| 16:58.06 | dka | I just find how to get my usb modem visible with usb_modswitch, I have now Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05c6:6000 Qualcomm, Inc. Siemens SG75 , how can I connect to the network so I can send sms with nmcli? |
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| 17:04.32 | MsK` | hello, since the latest xorg update, I can't xinit from ssh. I get a permission denied error on xf86OpenConsole. It works from root though... Any idea? |
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| 17:05.16 | MsK` | log: https://lywenn.eu.org/bazar/xorg |
| 17:06.02 | MsK` | and I start X with: xinit kodi --standalone -- -nocursor :0 |
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| 17:07.37 | sney | check the log referenced 5th from the bottom as well. (and when X isn't running as root, it's not that unusual that you might need to widen permissions somewhere.) |
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| 17:12.02 | MsK` | the log referenced 5th from the bottom is the one i linked :) |
| 17:13.05 | MsK` | I already have allowed_users=anybody and needs_root_rights=no in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 17:13.05 | sney | well that's... redundant. |
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| 17:30.06 | MsK` | ok, got it to run using "systemd-run --property PAMName=login --property User=<login> --property StandardInput=tty --property TTYPath=/dev/tty8 sh -c "chvt 8 && start <application> -- :0" |
| 17:30.36 | MsK` | it asks for the password of the user everytime even if it's the same user that is launching the app, a bit annoying, but works |
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| 17:57.39 | yanmaani | Any tool that works like tar but operates on zip files? |
| 17:57.43 | yanmaani | i.e. same argument structure |
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| 18:04.15 | ratrace | yanmaani: other than zip itself? |
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| 18:06.52 | dka | I have a usb sim dongle, how can I know which /dev/ttyUSB[0-3] can send SMS ? |
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| 18:17.58 | yanmaani | ratrace: yeah, with the exact same syntax. Although I solved the problem another way |
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| 18:35.13 | somiaj | I don't think you'll going to get such a tool yanmaani, you could write a wrapper for some arguments, but zip has different options/features than tar. |
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| 18:53.27 | twanny796 | #vim |
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| 19:17.45 | GrayGhost | I am looking for an alternateve to teamviewer ... any suggestions ? |
| 19:18.03 | diogenes_ | GrayGhost, anydesk. |
| 19:18.08 | diogenes_ | remmina |
| 19:18.28 | GrayGhost | someting free |
| 19:19.33 | diogenes_ | anydesk is free as in free beer :) but not oss, remmina + vnc is free inevery possible way. |
| 19:20.39 | GrayGhost | anydesk say it is 10/99 month |
| 19:22.07 | GrayGhost | I only use it about onece a month for one computer |
| 19:22.56 | diogenes_ | GrayGhost, nope, i use anydesk all the time, it's free, maybe for business use they charge but not for personal. |
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| 19:23.08 | gribouille | hi |
| 19:26.29 | gribouille | how can I get a log of the messages that display the services that are started when the system boots? |
| 19:26.40 | greycat | journalctl |
| 19:26.44 | n4dir | GrayGhost: i am not too sure what teamviewer does, but have a look at citadel |
| 19:26.54 | GrayGhost | I was using teamviewer and liked it but because I am trying to connect to a computer on a commerical wifi it will not allow it |
| 19:27.44 | greycat | the only part of it that I know is it lets you "share" your desktop with outsiders using a proprietary third-party server, so that you can still let your vendor "log in to your box" even when you're inside a firewall. until the network/security department firewalls it harder. |
| 19:27.49 | n4dir | ah, damnit, i was confused, sorry |
| 19:28.25 | greycat | when the IT department fucks with the DNS server to stop letting you resolve teamviewer.com you can work around that, but when they start blocking the actual *ports* or IP addresses... that's harder |
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| 19:29.41 | DoctorD90 | hi! I was trying to add an exception for a command. UFW requires sudo, I would like to gran to an user to run the command without the sudo power. I tried to add a file in in /etc/sudoers.d with inside: Cmnd_Alias UFWSTATUS = /usr/sbin/ufw /n tester ALL=NOPASSWD: UFWSTATUS; but user tester cant run ufw command netiher ufwstatus. Where am I wronging? |
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| 19:32.34 | oxek | DoctorD90: the order is important, last matching entry overrides all previous ones |
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| 19:33.31 | DoctorD90 | do you mean taht I could remove the first line an put ptha path of ufw in second? |
| 19:33.34 | greycat | does "tester" have /usr/sbin in their PATH, or are you typing /usr/sbin/ufw in the shell? |
| 19:34.09 | greycat | or does "sudo ufw" add /usr/sbin to PATH before doing the command resolution...? anyway, what is the actual *error* you see? |
| 19:34.18 | DoctorD90 | as usual greycat point me to stuff i didnt check....thank greycat i go to check it out :) |
| 19:34.39 | DoctorD90 | that tester cant find the command |
| 19:34.56 | greycat | are you not even typing "sudo"? |
| 19:35.01 | greycat | are you just typing "ufw"? |
| 19:35.04 | DoctorD90 | so probably UFWSTATUS is override as oxek said and moreover, it is not in ath as you said |
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| 19:35.10 | DoctorD90 | yes |
| 19:35.17 | greycat | well... now we know what the problem is! |
| 19:36.02 | oxek | sudoers file should not contain any private stuff (check first), so you can just pastebin the whole file |
| 19:36.03 | DoctorD90 | ahah...but this is what I would like to accomplish....run without sudo...but im probably understanding the point...i still need to use "sudo" but I will not requested the pass... |
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| 19:36.35 | greycat | putting random shit in sudoers does not change the behavior of every command you type. only sudo commands that you type. |
| 19:36.54 | DoctorD90 | first time playing with sudores.d file :) |
| 19:36.57 | DoctorD90 | exccuse me |
| 19:37.07 | DoctorD90 | btw...miing hint now it works |
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| 19:37.17 | DoctorD90 | tester ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/ufw |
| 19:37.27 | DoctorD90 | and now sudo ufw , doesnt require password |
| 19:37.30 | DoctorD90 | for tesster |
| 19:38.16 | DoctorD90 | im creating a rogram to control ufw outside of the server, but i required to access the ufw without password.... |
| 19:38.18 | greycat | if you want user "tester" to get the effect of "sudo ufw" when they type "ufw", you can create a shell function just for them, or a little wrapper script in ~tester/bin/ |
| 19:38.54 | DoctorD90 | greycat, could i ask you a simple example to better understand? |
| 19:38.58 | greycat | printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec sudo /usr/sbin/ufw "$@"\n' > ~tester/bin/ufw; chmod +x ~tester/bin/ufw |
| 19:39.40 | greycat | you might have to mkdir ~tester/bin first, and you might have to logout and back in as tester to add /home/tester/bin to their PATH |
| 19:40.10 | DoctorD90 | aaaa...ok! got the point! ufw without sudo too. okok, thank! now i got better your sugestion :) |
| 19:40.25 | DoctorD90 | btw i just need to not popup the password request |
| 19:40.33 | DoctorD90 | so the sudores solved the problem |
| 19:40.44 | DoctorD90 | i can simply put "sudo ufw" in my little script |
| 19:40.54 | DoctorD90 | but thank you very much :) i learn a new stuff :) |
| 19:41.44 | DoctorD90 | have a great night! :) |
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| 19:42.12 | oxek | greycat: I haven't seen that notation ~tester before |
| 19:42.32 | oxek | I checked, and it works, |
| 19:42.37 | oxek | but I don't know how it works |
| 19:42.47 | greycat | Standard shell feature. Tilde expansion. |
| 19:43.09 | greycat | ~username expands to the home directory of username. if the username is omitted, and ~ is alone or followed by a /, it uses you. |
| 19:43.09 | apt | greycat: that's too long |
| 19:43.32 | oxek | oh so I can switch to other users' homedirs, by doing ~user2 |
| 19:43.35 | oxek | that's really cool |
| 19:43.56 | oxek | I only ever used ~ to switch to my homedir |
| 19:44.20 | oxek | like vim ~/.bashrc |
| 19:44.48 | somiaj | unless your root, often times you don't have access to ~otheruser anyways |
| 19:45.04 | somiaj | so it isn't used as often |
| 19:45.09 | oxek | somiaj: on debian, by default, you can browse all other users homedirs |
| 19:45.16 | oxek | as nonroot |
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| 19:46.05 | greycat | On any traditional unix system, that's also true. |
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| 19:46.23 | greycat | Unix systems are originally used by close-knit communities of people who respect and trust each other. |
| 19:46.47 | greycat | It's common practice to let your colleagues borrow stuff from your home dir. |
| 19:46.58 | somiaj | I think when passwords were introduced, RMS got many people using blank passwords at MIT, oh how times have changed. |
| 19:47.33 | greycat | The story I heard is that they had to give up having an empty root password after a while because people nuking/crashing the system became too common. |
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| 19:48.38 | oxek | anyone in here use xterm and can see this ð emoji? |
| 19:49.02 | greycat | I can see it in urxvt but if I paste it into xterm, no. |
| 19:49.19 | oxek | hmm, so I have two people on debian that can see it, and me & you that cannot |
| 19:49.38 | oxek | this is such a strange bug |
| 19:49.50 | greycat | oh, if I paste it into a second urxvt, I also can't see it, so it could be a pasting issue |
| 19:49.50 | oxek | I've gone through all settings and done all the tests |
| 19:49.58 | oxek | but can't explain why it works for some people but not for me |
| 19:50.09 | somiaj | oxek: what is your default locale? |
| 19:50.21 | oxek | C.UTF-8 but I tested en_US.UTF-8 too |
| 19:50.32 | dka | How can I set the default SMSC in my NetworkManager/system-connections/myconf.nmconnection ? (so I don't have to specify it each time) |
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| 19:50.45 | oxek | utf8 works, I can display this file just fine https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 19:50.57 | somiaj | oxek: is that a 'wide character?' |
| 19:51.13 | somiaj | I'm on windows with mobaxterm now, so can't really test things |
| 19:51.24 | greycat | it would help if you gave us the unicode code point number so we can try to generate it inside xterm instead of trying to paste it |
| 19:51.30 | oxek | I don't know, but I'll describe all I've done: |
| 19:52.10 | oxek | I'm on debian stable, using xterm. I am using DejaVu Sans Mono as the default truetype font (but have tested other fonts too), and have the Noto Color Emoji font installed. All installed from debian repositories. |
| 19:52.34 | oxek | everything works just fine in libvte-based terminals, like xfce4-terminal |
| 19:52.50 | oxek | the correct emoji, from the correct font (Noto Color Emoji) are displayed |
| 19:53.20 | oxek | xterm can display some emoji, such as ð but it is the wrong emoji, not the one from Noto Color Emoji |
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| 19:53.48 | oxek | and xterm fail at displaying emoji like ð U+1F440 EYES, decimal: 128064, HTML: 👀, UTF-8: 0xF0 0x9F 0x91 0x80, block: Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs |
| 19:53.56 | greycat | I pasted it into chrome and google says it's an "Eyes Emoji", and following one of their links says it's code point +U1F440 ... is that correct? |
| 19:54.07 | oxek | that's correct |
| 19:54.07 | greycat | err U+ |
| 19:54.47 | greycat | OK, I can see it in IRC for some reason, but when I run printf '\U0001F440\n' in either urxvt or xterm, I get a rectangle. |
| 19:54.47 | oxek | instead of displaying that emoji in xterm, it does not display anything, it is just blank |
| 19:54.56 | oxek | it does not display the typical broken tofu for it |
| 19:55.39 | greycat | (how the hell does it work in irssi in urxvt but not in vanilla urxvt ...) |
| 19:55.39 | oxek | I have tried it with a nonexistent ~/.Xresources (the way it would be on default debian installation) and it still did not work |
| 19:55.44 | oxek | I tried xterm & uxterm |
| 19:55.45 | karlpinc | I'm in xfce4-terminal and I don't see the unicode character, just the broken tofu. |
| 19:55.52 | dka | When sending an SMS from command line, How can I replace the sender number with a company name? (so the sms sent look like from a server and not a number) |
| 19:56.16 | oxek | karlpinc: do you have fonts-noto-color-emoji package installed? |
| 19:56.38 | karlpinc | !tell dka about errors |
| 19:57.04 | karlpinc | oxek: No. |
| 19:57.20 | oxek | it is not a copy pasting issue on my end, because I can select the line I pasted above, with an invisible emoji, and copy it to a file. When I open that file in xfce4-terminal, the correct emoji is there. |
| 19:57.29 | oxek | karlpinc: install it and you'll have working emoji in xfce4-terminal |
| 19:57.43 | greycat | printf '\U0001F440\n' doesn't start working after I install that -noto- pkg and restart my terminals, either. |
| 19:57.56 | karlpinc | oxek: Ok. (I wonder if I really want that? I get nearly as much information by seeing the tofu. :-) |
| 19:58.30 | oxek | karlpinc: it's useful for things like 'curl wttr.in/Seattle?format=%m' |
| 19:59.08 | oxek | greycat: that printf works in xfce4-terminal |
| 19:59.19 | oxek | (and not in xterm) |
| 19:59.23 | karlpinc | oxek: I suppose so. (Reminds me of when debian switched to systemd and none of the little lines that systemd likes to draw on the terminal worked.) |
| 20:00.15 | oxek | I am not connected over ssh, working locally. Tried it both inside and outside tmux, with no luck. |
| 20:00.27 | karlpinc | oxek: Jolly good. That did something. (And I only had to start up a new xfce4 terminal. |
| 20:01.16 | oxek | karlpinc: ð |
| 20:01.39 | karlpinc | oxek: See? That's what I was hoping to avoid. :) |
| 20:01.43 | somiaj | oxek: does it work in uxterm? |
| 20:01.49 | oxek | I can even detach this session from tmux (running in xterm) and attach it to tmux running in xfce4-terminal, and all the emoji are displayed in xfce4-terminal |
| 20:02.05 | oxek | somiaj: I tried uxterm, but it does not work either |
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| 20:02.49 | dka | How can I send an SMS with a company name instead of a number (from terminal) |
| 20:02.55 | greycat | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40586304/some-terminal-cant-display-emoji-correctly |
| 20:03.16 | karlpinc | dka: First, you tell us what your typing.... |
| 20:03.36 | oxek | this is how my xterm ctrl-rightclick looks like https://0x0.st/i6du.png |
| 20:03.51 | karlpinc | !tell dka about paste |
| 20:03.53 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.26 | jelly | dka, you can't do that from a normal phone or a normal SIM card, I think step 1) set up an account with a company with a messaging api |
| 20:04.27 | dka | this work fine, but I see the number of my sim card, while I want to put my organization name and hide the number, i also want to disallow response |
| 20:04.46 | oxek | greycat: the weird thing is that I now have two people where it all works for them on debian stable using xterm |
| 20:04.53 | dka | Or maybe If I could show a 6 digit random number instead of a personal number that would also fit |
| 20:04.53 | oxek | with same version of xterm |
| 20:05.08 | dka | jelly, i am doing my messaging api |
| 20:05.21 | dka | I got a sim card. I want to learn how to do a messaging api that fits for company needs |
| 20:05.28 | dka | no point to just subscribe to an existing company |
| 20:05.34 | karlpinc | dka: (You probably need to add yourself to a group so you don't have to be root.) |
| 20:05.39 | greycat | I wonder what happens if I disable ~/.Xresources .... |
| 20:05.41 | jelly | you won't be able to do that with a random SIM |
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| 20:06.03 | dka | karlpinc, yeah right now it doesn't matter but yes latter i'll do, and the process will be run within docker so perms will be totally different |
| 20:06.07 | jelly | ask your mobile provider about business services, at the very least |
| 20:06.20 | dka | well, that will cost money |
| 20:06.23 | jelly | no shit |
| 20:06.31 | dka | so it's impossible without cash? |
| 20:06.35 | jelly | you want to do provider-level services. |
| 20:06.37 | dka | just with brain? |
| 20:07.02 | karlpinc | dka: One option is to use a service like twillio (spelling?) They send texts for fractions of cents. |
| 20:07.11 | jelly | that usually means becoming a provider, or finding one that will do it for you |
| 20:07.20 | greycat | Nope, I did xrdb -remove 'XTerm*' and then started a new xterm, and the printf still shows a rectangle. |
| 20:07.29 | jelly | twilio is an example of a messaging provider with an API, yes |
| 20:07.47 | oxek | greycat: I asked one of the people for whom it works for their .Xresources, and it did not work for me with their .Xresources |
| 20:08.02 | jhutchins | People don't seem to understand that wireless voice, SMS, and internet-over-cell carrier are not all the same thing. |
| 20:08.02 | oxek | (and yes, I did do the xrdb -merge and even logout, etc.) |
| 20:08.28 | jelly | does xterm even do glyph substitution _at all_? |
| 20:08.55 | dka | karlpinc, what does twillio use as a service? |
| 20:09.06 | greycat | the aforementioned SO page leads to https://github.com/powerline/fonts/issues/176 |
| 20:09.08 | dka | if it's the egg and chicken problem |
| 20:09.53 | karlpinc | dka: Dunno. I only know they exist. (I do recall sending sms messages years ago with arbitrary from numbers/names. I don't remember how I was doing it. Probably through some voip provider.) |
| 20:10.08 | jelly | dka, services like those usually _are_ providers of their own, then they can fake whatever sender number |
| 20:10.15 | somiaj | oxek: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/280843/xterm-doesnt-display-some-unicode-characters-properly -- that answer explain it? |
| 20:10.33 | karlpinc | These days there's laws against sending texts that don't "come from" your number. |
| 20:10.46 | dka | how do I become provider on my own? |
| 20:11.00 | dka | do you buy a license? |
| 20:11.37 | jhutchins | dka: You build a phone company. |
| 20:11.51 | jelly | dka, you need money and some other tech prequisites to get a license in your country |
| 20:12.15 | jelly | if you provide just messaging things _might_ be a bit simpler than for a full blown telco |
| 20:12.20 | oxek | somiaj: I am reading it, and still wonder how come emoji works for those two people with xterm |
| 20:12.28 | jhutchins | The fact that providers made email access easy as we transitioned from pagers to cell phones still confuses some people. |
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| 20:13.02 | jelly | Skype sends SMS to arbitrary numbers and they have been successfully faking by caller id for a decade |
| 20:13.09 | jelly | s/by/my/ |
| 20:13.20 | dka | can I use gammu and mmcli both together on the same host? or is it one or another? |
| 20:13.43 | jelly | probably not at the same time if they both access the same serial device |
| 20:14.01 | jelly | but separately? Sure why not |
| 20:14.05 | yanmaani | dka: You don't need a telco license for voip stuf |
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| 20:14.08 | yanmaani | f |
| 20:14.16 | yanmaani | random scammers can do voip stuff no problem |
| 20:14.53 | oxek | I suspect it will have to do something with fallback fonts, xterm uses either double-sized chars or widechars or something I forget to display things not in current font |
| 20:14.54 | jelly | yanmaani, they want to do messaging with abitrary caller id or strings instead of numbers |
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| 20:15.35 | dka | Does it make sens to use mmcli and gammu for sending sms or should I choose one? can both work on the same host? |
| 20:16.09 | jelly | we use kannel at work for alerts sent via sms |
| 20:16.13 | jelly | ,i kannel |
| 20:16.37 | jelly | ,v kannel |
| 20:16.42 | somiaj | oxek: as that said, xterm uses a single font, so might just a font issue (other termainsl go use other fonts if a glyph is missing). It also gives you a tool you can go look at the font to verify this |
| 20:16.43 | jelly | judd: ping |
| 20:16.56 | yanmaani | jelly: Yeah, this is possible, I don't think it needs telco license |
| 20:16.59 | yanmaani | I get spam texts like that |
| 20:17.36 | jelly | yanmaani, you still need a business account with SOME provider that will allow you to send customized messages |
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| 20:18.16 | jelly | ,i kannel |
| 20:18.19 | judd | Package kannel (net, optional) in buster/amd64: WAP and SMS gateway. Version: 1.4.5-2+b1; Size: 865.5k; Installed: 3845k; Homepage: https://www.kannel.org/ |
| 20:19.03 | jhutchins | You still need a wire that goes from tcp/ip to sms, and that means a company that has carrier-grade connectons on both DIFFERENT networks. |
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| 20:19.09 | jhutchins | It's not all the same network! |
| 20:19.52 | jhutchins | SMS is not even the same network topology as cellular voice. |
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| 20:20.36 | yanmaani | jelly: yeah, but those are dime a dozen |
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| 20:20.49 | jelly | nod |
| 20:20.57 | jelly | still, that's money not brain |
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| 20:29.38 | somiaj | oxek: might find using another terminal easier if you can't find a font that has all the characters you want. |
| 20:30.38 | jelly | there's never a single font that looks nice but has all the weird characters. This is why a modern terminal uses multiple fonts in some order of preference |
| 20:31.34 | oxek | somiaj: perhaps. I've moved away from libvte-based terminal as a learning experience and xterm was heavily suggested. Another alternative would be st but I am not brave enough yet to hunt down patches to get the functionality I need. |
| 20:31.50 | oxek | I can't use GPU accelerated terminals |
| 20:32.18 | greycat | that entire concept is anathema |
| 20:32.24 | jelly | likes Konsole |
| 20:32.29 | oxek | so between libvte, xterm, st, and gpu-accelerated terms, there's no other option is there? |
| 20:32.40 | oxek | obviously I prefer a terminal that is still being maintained |
| 20:32.42 | jelly | rxvt-unicode? |
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| 20:32.57 | jhutchins | Yeah, as someone who has used an actual teletype, the idea of an "accelerated terminal" is just... |
| 20:33.13 | jhutchins | ... it's like asking if gravity is wet or dry. |
| 20:33.39 | oxek | jhutchins: the main issue for me is that the moment anything touches my GPU, it jumps up by several GHz in frequency, fans start blasting off, and battery life gets killed |
| 20:33.40 | jelly | people frowning at "accelerated" anything should go back to raw framebuffer graphics |
| 20:35.31 | oxek | jelly: is rxvt-unicode maintained? And is that the 'best' fork of rxvt? |
| 20:35.37 | greycat | There is another option. Just say "fuck you, I don't care" to emojis in terminals. |
| 20:35.37 | greycat | It's not like I can tell what the emoji *is* anyway. It's just some random blur. |
| 20:36.33 | somiaj | oxek: luckly debian has plenty to chose from, uxrvt work? I just don't really care about these crazy utf-8 characters I won't use, so it doesn't bother me I can't see it |
| 20:36.57 | oxek | greycat: I'm not doing it just for the sake of doing it, emoji is useful for various status symbols, like the wttr.in thing I linked, or displaying info in PS1 of bash, etc. |
| 20:37.25 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 20:37.50 | greycat | well then if YOU are the source of the horror, you can just pick a glyph that works for you |
| 20:38.09 | jelly | oxek, that was the only fork of rxvt with decent utf-8, until I switched to konsole or any term that worked |
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| 20:38.46 | jelly | it also had working alpha blending / semi transparent background |
| 20:38.51 | oxek | thank you all for trying to help debug this, I was going crazy. I don't know what to think of those statements people gave me that their xterm displays those emoji, and I'll leave that for now. |
| 20:39.12 | greycat | based on the multiple web pages we looked up for you, it's about the font. |
| 20:39.13 | oxek | I'll check out rxvt-unicode then |
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| 20:39.24 | greycat | those people are using a different font, which has more symbols in it |
| 20:39.34 | greycat | I still have no idea what irssi is doing that makes a difference |
| 20:39.38 | oxek | that's the thing - they were using dejavu sans mono just like me |
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| 20:40.07 | oxek | but if they were using irssi too... perhaps irssi has some internal mechanism for fallback fonts |
| 20:40.13 | oxek | I'm on weechat here |
| 20:40.23 | greycat | that's why I moved to printf for the actual test |
| 20:40.38 | oxek | yeah, you did it the smart way, I should have thought of that too |
| 20:42.46 | dka | How can I set the smsc with gammu ? I try `gammu set smsc 1 "+33695000695"` but it return `Empty entry.`, any idea how I can do? |
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| 20:52.35 | antto | i tried installing ardour and synaptic tossed a bunch of errors at me like "E: jackd2: installed jackd2 package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 255" "E: jackd2-firewire: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" ... |
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| 20:55.40 | somiaj | antto: using a terminal may help and not synaptic. First question is often what version of debian are you running, what are your sources.list, really you should provide ALL the information the bot tells you |
| 20:55.44 | somiaj | !bat |
| 20:55.45 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 20:56.47 | antto | debian10, i use synaptic all the time pretty much |
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| 20:59.01 | somiaj | sure, but getting actual output from the command line is needed to help diagonse your issue. |
| 20:59.24 | somiaj | so run 'sudo apt install ardour', and then give us all the other info the bot asked for. |
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| 21:02.13 | antto | hm, it loads up a TUI dialog asking me about how i wanna use jackd |
| 21:02.31 | hassoon | EnableChan #javascript |
| 21:02.36 | antto | could that be why it doesn't wanna get installed via synaptic? |
| 21:02.37 | hassoon | ow meh |
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| 21:14.57 | epictetus2 | Are there any programs in the repos for monitor nighttime colors? |
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| 21:15.27 | karlpinc | epictetus2: redshift? |
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| 21:19.38 | epictetus2 | karlpinc: thanks |
| 21:22.43 | jmcnaught | epictetus2: the feature is also built into GNOME if that's what you're using. |
| 21:23.25 | epictetus2 | jmcnaught: aah ok. using lxde |
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| 21:30.18 | oxek | I have progress everyone, apparently if I install the fonts-symbola package, I now get the eyes emoji in xterm! |
| 21:30.48 | oxek | which is really strange, because we found that xterm should not support fallback fonts |
| 21:31.35 | greycat | so the question is why you believed 15:52 oxek> I'm on debian stable, using xterm. I am using DejaVu Sans Mono [...] |
| 21:32.30 | oxek | greycat: because I am still using that font |
| 21:32.42 | greycat | how do you know this? |
| 21:32.58 | oxek | that's what's in my .Xresources |
| 21:33.30 | oxek | plus symbola does not contain normal characters, only emoji (according to description) |
| 21:33.49 | greycat | *shrug* well, this is all a mystery to me |
| 21:34.47 | greycat | so there is no way to say "xterm --verbose-tell-me-what-font-you-use" or something...? |
| 21:35.18 | oxek | someone said there might be, but I'd need to recompile xterm to enable some debugging |
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| 21:41.24 | somiaj | maybe xterm does use some fallback fonts in certain situations, but what it uses is limited. |
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| 21:42.01 | oxek | and mainly I can't find any documentation about which fonts it uses for fallback |
| 21:42.48 | oxek | at least I now have black & white emoji working in xterm (I don't need more) thanks to the fonts-symbola package. But I still don't understand why it works and how xterm determines the fonts it uses. |
| 21:42.48 | greycat | The SO post that I found was from Thomas Dickey, who is quite the authority here, but it might have been old... maybe the code changed? I don't know. |
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| 21:45.21 | oxek | greycat: did you install the fonts-symbola package to confirm you no longer get boxes? (no need to change any configuration in your .Xresources, it just works) |
| 21:45.34 | greycat | I already had it (just tried when you mentioned it, said already installed) |
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| 21:45.52 | greycat | and I probably *would* have to change things in my .Xresources |
| 21:46.08 | greycat | 'cause I've got XTerm*font: 7x13 |
| 21:50.51 | oxek | greycat: need to use truetype fonts, Ctrl-right click anywhere in xterm, enable truetype fonts and it will use the default monospace truetype font |
| 21:51.08 | oxek | I get the square boxes when using bitmap fonts in xterm too |
| 21:51.18 | oxek | and I did not expect emoji to work in that mode anyway |
| 21:51.25 | oxek | (and it still does not) |
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| 21:53.17 | greycat | OK, that worked. |
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| 22:36.27 | Kobaz | i was in the middle of a dist-upgrade and systemd somehow got installed |
| 22:36.32 | Kobaz | i removed it and now my ssh is hosed |
| 22:36.51 | Kobaz | trying to start sshd.... 140106446894840:error:25066067:DSO support routines:DLFCN_LOAD:could not load the shared library:dso_dlfcn.c:185:filename(libssl_conf.so): libssl_conf.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:38.00 | Kobaz | oh, that was easy |
| 22:38.10 | Kobaz | apt-get install openssh-server sysvinit-core |
| 22:38.23 | Kobaz | because if you do only: apt-get install openssh-server.... then it tries to bring back in systemd, igh |
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| 22:46.45 | somiaj | Kobaz: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:48.03 | yanmaani | Kobaz: maybe try #devuan |
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| 22:50.45 | somiaj | with the recent vote, B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives, debian will still be open to explore using sysv (or other init systems) but you might run into issues like this if running testing/sid, also if running testing/sid use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:51.11 | somiaj | arg run into issues like this. IF running .. |
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| 22:52.09 | n4dir | antix and MX both don't use systemd per default either, iirc. There is more than devuan |
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| 23:07.35 | Unit193 | sponix: Still using Liquorix? I hear the next series is a bit faster, curious if you notice that as well. |
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| 23:08.35 | who00 | emerge apt |
| 23:08.41 | who00 | (oups wrong chan) |
| 23:08.50 | dvs | !lart who00 |
| 23:08.50 | dpkg | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that who00 is stuck to the floor |
| 23:13.34 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:17.10 | nvz | steps around who00 clued to the floor and wanders off |
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| 23:32.20 | oxek | ,file arial.ttf |
| 23:32.24 | judd | Search for arial.ttf in buster/amd64: osgearth: usr/share/osgearth/fonts/arial.ttf; gazebo9-common: usr/share/gazebo-9/media/fonts/arial.ttf; kodi-data: usr/share/kodi/media/Fonts/arial.ttf |
| 23:32.59 | oxek | how come those packages are allowed to include arial.ttf, while being in the main debian repository? |
| 23:33.36 | oxek | I thought the only way to get microsoft fonts like arial into debian is through the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package |
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| 23:38.01 | oxek | I probably don't understand the debian policy well enough |
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| 23:40.24 | sponix | Linux sponix 5.7.0-12.1-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT liquorix 5.7-17~mx19+1 (2020-08-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:41.28 | sponix | Unit193: until Sid has a new ZFS version for me to backport I am stuck with 5.7 branch |
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