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| 00:22.28 | brachamh_ | can anyone please explain the proper way to use a pre-up command in the interfaces file for ifupdown? |
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| 00:27.39 | sney | pastebin what you have now |
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| 00:31.07 | jmcnaught | brachamh_: pre-up will be on one of the indented lines in an iface stanza. There's an example of its usage at this link (ignore the ifconfig⦠that's just the command it's running): https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Bringing_up_an_interface_without_an_IP_address |
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| 01:29.00 | sney | n-m is good for plug-and-play situations, but anything where configs need to be manually adjusted is usually better suited to ifupdown or something else |
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| 03:12.19 | somiaj | greetings, have any questions about debian? |
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| 03:37.12 | Arrow900 | Does anyone know if "pitivi" is going to be deprecated in next release bullseye or has it just not been packaged yet ? |
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| 03:43.32 | brachamh_ | jmcnaught, thanks for that. now i think i need to make ifupdown run later |
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| 03:49.35 | somiaj | ,v pitivi |
| 03:49.36 | judd | Package: pitivi on amd64 -- jessie: 0.93-4.2; stretch: 0.98-1.1; buster: 0.999-1+b1; sid: 0.999-2 |
| 03:50.14 | somiaj | Alexandrov: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pitivi -- the debian tracker is a good place to look for information |
| 03:50.41 | somiaj | Alexandrov: oops, seems Arrrow900 left before their question was answered, sorr about that |
| 03:53.04 | Unit193 | #965007. |
| 03:53.05 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/965007 in pitivi (open): «pitivi: ships a copy of gstreamer libraries»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-07-14; last modified: 2020-08-24. |
| 03:54.05 | somiaj | The bug report was kinda intersting as to see which package was at fault for the conflict there |
| 03:54.22 | somiaj | I think the resolution was a decent one in the end though |
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| 07:48.47 | Unit193 | ,v nftabbles |
| 07:48.48 | judd | No package named 'nftabbles' was found in amd64. |
| 07:48.53 | Unit193 | ,v nftables |
| 07:48.54 | judd | Package: nftables on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7-1; stretch-backports: 0.9.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.0-2; buster-backports: 0.9.6-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.9.6-1; sid: 0.9.6-1 |
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| 07:49.04 | Unit193 | Utilize -backports. |
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| 08:06.17 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 08:23.16 | netcrash | Hello, I have a software array from a old machine and moved to a controller raid dell , Created two virtual disk and am now reassembling the disks. But mdadm is not finding the raid |
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| 09:10.39 | ratrace | netcrash: if you can avoid using hardware raid, that'd be the best |
| 09:11.05 | ratrace | you can still use raid controllers, but in jbod or stripe mode so the kernel still sees individual disks |
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| 10:48.57 | jelly | unixbsd, the build-dep step is there to installs _all_ the development packages needed to build a source (the same way Debian builds it) |
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| 10:51.23 | unixbsd | so called dependencies, I understand. |
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| 10:57.22 | unixbsd | actually, lynx does not have or can compile without dependencies, lynx is readily compilable: "apt-get source --compile -b lynx" may fail if I understand well ... I study still |
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| 11:37.37 | netcrash | ratrace: how can I re-read the disks on a new host? I'm having trouble doing that the mdadm --assemble --scan does not detect and have just seen that the partitions are in LVM format. Any idea on how to rebuild ? |
| 11:37.58 | tmroland | https://paste.gnome.org/pfzsazbzc can change group on one folder but not the other |
| 11:38.00 | tmroland | how to fix |
| 11:38.56 | tmroland | cant even change permission on it |
| 11:38.58 | tmroland | as root |
| 11:40.28 | netcrash | mount -o uid=xxxx |
| 11:40.36 | netcrash | tmroland: mount -o uid=xxxx |
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| 11:57.11 | hl521 | Hey, I'm trying to get nginx to run on debian 10, but for whatever reason the default nginx.conf isn't be pulled in, is there a way to force it to pull from an install? |
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| 11:58.51 | ratrace | netcrash: if mdadm doesn't see them, then you don't have mdadm array |
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| 11:59.30 | ratrace | hl521: something tells me you didn't just apt install nginx, but that's some manually installed concoction? |
| 11:59.56 | hl521 | ratrace: oh but I did apt install nginx |
| 12:00.05 | hl521 | I can try wiping all of the files or something |
| 12:00.11 | ratrace | hl521: then what problem do you have with nginx.conf? |
| 12:00.23 | hl521 | ratrace: there is no nginx.conf lol |
| 12:00.47 | ratrace | hl521: pretty sure there is on normal, non-derivative Debian. |
| 12:01.00 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.01 | ratrace | f |
| 12:01.01 | hl521 | let me wipe everything on /etc/nginx then |
| 12:01.41 | tmroland | netcrash: why do i need that and chgrp or chmod doesnt work on it? |
| 12:03.26 | hl521 | yeah I'm still not getting /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 12:03.50 | hl521 | I do recieve "errors were encountered while processing nginx-full nginx" though |
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| 12:04.21 | tmroland | also can i use gid instead of uid |
| 12:04.25 | tmroland | for mount in fstab |
| 12:04.33 | tmroland | so i can provide rw to group |
| 12:04.35 | ratrace | hl521: what exactly did you do to it? did you mess with different installations from different repos? this doesn't happen by itself |
| 12:05.03 | hl521 | ah it appears I need to configure nginx-full |
| 12:05.47 | ratrace | the configuration step appears automatically..., so you must've done something you're not telling |
| 12:06.22 | hl521 | ratrace: no dude I literally have only done apt install nginx lol |
| 12:06.35 | hl521 | I've tried to uninstall it several times and clean up the file |
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| 12:10.15 | tmroland | does this look correct in fstab? |
| 12:10.22 | tmroland | bf8658c3-cc35-464f-9043-e6f76b12a9c5 |
| 12:10.24 | tmroland | sorry noit that |
| 12:11.54 | hl521 | dude this is so frustrating |
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| 12:14.34 | hl521 | is there a way to just reconfigure it |
| 12:15.41 | ratrace | hl521: dpkg-reconfigure nginx-full ? |
| 12:16.03 | ratrace | hl521: or you can try apt purge all nginx packages, autoremove deps, remove /etc/nginx and reinstall anew |
| 12:16.05 | hl521 | that did nothing |
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| 12:16.49 | hl521 | what's the difference between purge and remove |
| 12:16.59 | tmroland | UUID=88606F44606F3858 /mnt/data ntfsgid=100,rw0 0 |
| 12:17.01 | tmroland | UUID=bf8658c3-cc35-464f-9043-e6f76b12a9c5 /mnt/backup ext4 gid=100,rw0 0 |
| 12:17.03 | tmroland | looks ok? |
| 12:17.50 | ratrace | hl521: purge removes config and data files |
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| 12:18.26 | hl521 | ratrace: yeah even after the purges of nginx, and nginx-full, autoremoving the deps, and removing everything in /etc/nginx then doing apt install nginx I still don't come up to a configure window or have any config files |
| 12:18.38 | hl521 | I really have no idea why it's doing this |
| 12:20.45 | hl521 | eh I'm just going to go to sleep before I throw the server in the garbage |
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| 13:05.55 | nkuttler | meh.. why does deborphan insist a manually installed package is orphaned.. |
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| 15:02.01 | darsie | What's a good firefox for debian that can handle imgur (ff 69+)? I installed 78.2.0esr (64-bit) from mozilla.org in /usr/local/bin/firefox, but it doesn't come with a .desktop file. |
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| 15:02.16 | x033gg | hey can someone help me i setup xscreensaver i lock the screen every 30 seconds i am prompted to login without moving a mouse |
| 15:02.17 | x033gg | or anything |
| 15:02.28 | x033gg | what would i type to google this topic and see if its a bug |
| 15:03.11 | darsie | I didn't see newer versions in testing or buster-backports. |
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| 15:03.33 | darsie | Don't think I want to backport from sid myself. |
| 15:03.54 | darsie | Make a .desktop myself? |
| 15:07.48 | Kobaz | so i have the good ole classic, logrotate-is-completely-broken problem https://dpaste.com/G4YQGW89C |
| 15:08.08 | Kobaz | typically logrotate will work again if you force it (-f) |
| 15:08.13 | Kobaz | but not this time... |
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| 15:13.47 | x033gg | hey i have a question i have xscreensaver installed and i notice that the login window/box comes up every 40 seoconds on its own without me touching my mouse or touching any keys, anyone know if this issue can be fixed? |
| 15:14.55 | unixbsd | Is it possible to install Grub on the MBR with dd instead of using grub-install ? (to be sure if it is still with dd possible maybe) |
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| 15:15.39 | dece | darsie, making a desktop file takes 5 min and seem to be the appropriate choice |
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| 15:18.56 | darsie | dece: ok. I tried. It launches the new ff, but clicking on links in kvirc still launches the old one. Also the debian ff disappeared from the launch menu. |
| 15:19.23 | darsie | I'm not great at making desktop files. |
| 15:20.56 | darsie | Here's what I made: http://paste.debian.net/1163516/ I changed the debian ff desktop file. |
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| 15:21.10 | dece | it's ok, your system still uses the other one as a default way to open URLs; you can reconfigure this using update-alternatives, but maybe Firefox can handle it on its own by going in Preferences, General, Make Firefox your default browser |
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| 15:21.42 | darsie | Why did the old ff launch menu entry disappear. |
| 15:22.17 | darsie | I gave it a new name. |
| 15:22.31 | dece | this I don't know :/ |
| 15:23.06 | darsie | Ahh, the filename was still the same. |
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| 15:38.12 | x033gg | yea i cannot figure it out after 40 seconds i get prompted for a password/username on xscreensaver and than after that it just keeps prompting as if i am moving my mouse over and over |
| 15:39.15 | sney | is something resting on your keyboard |
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| 15:43.11 | darsie | update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox |
| 15:43.11 | darsie | update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox for x-www-browser not registered; not setting |
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| 15:43.35 | darsie | the man page doesn't mention 'register'. |
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| 15:46.17 | darsie | should I try xdg-settings? |
| 15:50.56 | darsie | How can I make /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox the default browser, so that clicking on links in kvirc will open them with that. |
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| 15:53.42 | somiaj | I don't think many things use the alternative for the browser, but instead use the xdg default browser, which requiers you write a .desktop file |
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| 15:56.10 | somiaj | for update-alternatives you need to --install new ones |
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| 15:57.00 | darsie | somiaj: I wrote one. Put it in ~/.local/share/applications |
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| 15:59.22 | somiaj | then just use xdg-settings set default-web-browser filename.desktop of the desktop file you added |
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| 16:01.07 | darsie | somiaj: Yay, worked :). thx |
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| 16:29.20 | oxek | darsie: you could have just set layout.css.resizeobserver.enabled to true in firefox esr |
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| 16:29.26 | oxek | that would fix imgur |
| 16:30.23 | darsie | oxek: I was told "imgur uses "ResizeObserver" (as you can see from the error in the web console) which firefox only supported since versio 69" |
| 16:30.43 | oxek | it works in 68 if you enable it |
| 16:30.50 | oxek | in 69 it's on by default |
| 16:30.51 | darsie | ic |
| 16:30.54 | darsie | thx |
| 16:31.49 | oxek | 78esr is coming this month to debian-stable |
| 16:31.51 | hussar | what are some commands or packages I can use to draw a message prompt? |
| 16:32.03 | oxek | and for up-to-date firefox there's flatpak |
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| 16:33.17 | darsie | oxek: It does work :). |
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| 17:44.26 | gribouille | hi |
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| 17:47.01 | gribouille | does anyone know where I can find the boot messages [ OK ] Activating ...? |
| 17:47.23 | sney | journalctl, dmesg |
| 17:47.44 | sney | the actual [ok] stuff may not be there but the service and kernel info is |
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| 17:49.24 | gribouille | sney, the messages are not for the system currently running |
| 17:50.37 | sney | then /var/log/daemon.log will have the majority of what you're looking for. |
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| 17:55.28 | x033gg | Shyyyyyyylaaaowwwwwwwwwwww |
| 17:55.38 | x033gg | are you here to help or nope :(? |
| 17:55.56 | gribouille | sney, I can't find the message I'm searching. it was displayed when the system was checking the file systems |
| 17:56.23 | sney | may have been fsck output then |
| 17:56.39 | gribouille | sney, is it logged? |
| 17:57.18 | sney | I don't think so |
| 17:59.37 | gribouille | sney, whu not? |
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| 18:01.22 | sney | fsck is the filesystem checker, it just checks your root fs and exits. maybe that's logged but if you need to see fsck output you can just run it on the disk, also |
| 18:01.51 | sney | I do not remember ever seeing fsck output in a system or boot log, that's all |
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| 18:03.30 | jmcnaught | gribouille: did you check /var/log/boot.log? |
| 18:04.25 | gribouille | jmcnaught, I don't have this file |
| 18:05.31 | sney | boot.log is not enabled by default |
| 18:05.42 | gribouille | what does it contain? |
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| 18:07.34 | jmcnaught | gribouille: mine starts with the fsck output then lists all the [ OK ] messages. I don't know what creates it here, I might have changed something but I do not have bootlogd installed and my file appears to be from the current boot. |
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| 18:11.28 | gribouille | jmcnaught, it's magic |
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| 18:20.13 | jmcnaught | I still can't figure out what's creating boot.log on my one system here, the file doesn't exist on my other computer. The file is owned by root:root instead of root:adm. |
| 18:20.32 | sney | some boot argument maybe? check in grub.d? |
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| 18:30.49 | gribouille | jmcnaught, maybe in /etc/rsyslog.conf? |
| 18:33.46 | jmcnaught | gribouille: that file doesn't contain the string "boot" and "grep -ir boot.log /etc" returns nothing. Right now I suspect plymouth which has a plymouth-log.service but that package is installed automatically. If I find out what's creating this file I'll ping you about it if you're still around. |
| 18:34.24 | gribouille | jmcnaught, I read it here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-view-and-configure-linux-logs-on-ubuntu-and-centos |
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| 18:36.30 | tongubin | Hey there, can you say me where I can download sid netinstall CD image, please? I know about #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net channel, but on it I can not get answer. I'm sorry about my English. |
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| 18:39.12 | jmcnaught | tongubin: how long did you wait? |
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| 18:39.56 | tongubin | 10 minuts |
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| 18:52.20 | gribouille | jmcnaught, did you find out for boot.log? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth says "Writes a log to /var/log/boot.log" |
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| 18:56.49 | jmcnaught | gribouille: ahh thanks |
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| 19:00.03 | gribouille | there's something I don't understand: when I run sudo journalctl and then quit, the screen is not restored as it was before running journalctl |
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| 19:29.00 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Some missing terminfo? |
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| 19:30.50 | Ede|Popede | i came up with the same question at some point in the past. iirc it is less not running with the "restore background" flag. also i think to remember it is possible to switch it off but not on again or something. |
| 19:31.36 | Aurora_v_kosmose | If that last part is true, I'd consider that a bug |
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| 19:33.42 | Ede|Popede | hm, i couldn't find an option now in the manpage to even change if it does so or not. |
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| 19:38.33 | Ede|Popede | there's LESS_IS_MORE. when setting it is "less is more than more" still valid? |
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| 19:41.48 | oxek | it still works |
| 19:41.51 | oxek | but why would you set it? |
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| 19:53.48 | JarSs | hello |
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| 19:55.41 | tomreyn | 502 5.5.1 Unrecognized command. Did you mean "HELO"? |
| 19:55.46 | JarSs | I'm having hard time booting my Dell XPS (Jesse). Grub doesn't come up, I get a message no boot device can be found. I did the obvious things I can think of: no safe boot, HD is at AHCI, tried to add the boot manually from the menu |
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| 19:56.09 | JarSs | (the boot menu that is, by nevigating to the EFI and trying to get grub this way) |
| 19:56.23 | JarSs | was wondering if there's a known issue with these I don't know about, something to try, etc. |
| 19:56.53 | sney | it does sound like the bootloader got messed up somehow. your best bet is to boot with a livecd, chroot into your system, and reinstall grub. |
| 19:56.56 | sney | !tell JarSs about fixmbr |
| 19:57.16 | sney | the debian installer can be used for this, grml and supergrubdisk are good options too. |
| 19:57.46 | JarSs | debian installer, which one would that be? I'm using a live USB created from the Deiban ISO |
| 19:58.05 | sney | that works too. it doesn't matter what you use as long as it has basic linux utilities. |
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| 19:58.13 | sney | the dpkg irc bot sent you a pm with instructions. |
| 19:59.15 | JarSs | @sney I can't see the PM something on my end though I solve this |
| 19:59.33 | JarSs | sney: I saw there's a section in the wiki for reinstalling grub |
| 19:59.44 | sney | it's probably the same instructions, but here it is in the channel anyway: |
| 19:59.46 | sney | !fixmbr |
| 19:59.46 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 19:59.58 | tomreyn | JarSs: are you, by chance, the same person who asked this (almost identical) question in the lubuntu telegram just a few minutes ago? |
| 20:00.16 | JarSs | ok got it, thanks. |
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| 20:00.37 | JarSs | Errr I need to be able to connect it to the internet which is also a problem |
| 20:01.00 | sney | get your bootloader working first, then come back for network troubleshooting |
| 20:01.01 | JarSs | see I need to install the non free drivers. I got them, but then I can't boot into the system to install them |
| 20:01.13 | sney | it's firmware, not drivers. |
| 20:01.23 | JarSs | sney: right, my mistake |
| 20:01.30 | Ede|Popede | oxek: scripting i guess. cases where it must behave just like more. i only don't get " l = m && l > m " |
| 20:01.52 | JarSs | sney: in order to update-grub && grub-install, I don't need network? |
| 20:01.56 | sney | nope |
| 20:02.11 | JarSs | got it. OK, I'm on it. Thanks for the help. |
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| 20:02.20 | sney | everything grub needs is already on your disk. |
| 20:04.02 | JarSs | and tomreyn no, not me. I haven't tried lubuntu |
| 20:04.43 | gribouille | I have the following error at boot : ata6.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen (7 more lines). any idea? |
| 20:05.02 | oxek | Ede|Popede: I interpret it as "You can use 'less' as a drop-in replacement for 'more' and know that 'less' can do more things than 'more'" |
| 20:09.35 | JarSs | ok I I'm trying to mounse the file system . it says special device /dev/sda does not exist (a path prefix is not a directory) ok so I guess I need to figure out the mount point? but isn't that what Im doing, mounting it? |
| 20:10.42 | JarSs | "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /home/user/here |
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| 20:15.38 | tomreyn | JarSs: okay, funny coincident :) |
| 20:16.29 | tomreyn | JarSs: maybe you don't have a sata but an nvme device? |
| 20:17.24 | tomreyn | also /dev/sda would point to the full raw disk (if it existed), not to a partition (which might contain a file system you could then mount) |
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| 20:19.49 | tomreyn | gribouille: check the smartctl -x output for this disk, maybe replace the cable |
| 20:20.34 | JarSs | tomreyn: I don't have sata this is probably m.2.? |
| 20:21.06 | tomreyn | m.2 can be sata or nvme, there's both. |
| 20:21.07 | JarSs | I can't mount my boot because I need a valid target and I guess I get confused with what would that be since I'm booting from a USB (usually it would be /media/whatever |
| 20:21.39 | JarSs | oh, so in that case I don't know what I have, I chose ACHI in boot if that's related |
| 20:21.48 | tomreyn | this sounds like you need to read up on the process of chroot mounting |
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| 20:22.15 | JarSs | that's what I'm following up lol. I'm stuck at the part where it stays to mount the boot |
| 20:22.19 | tomreyn | like... what sney had dpkg tell you above |
| 20:22.44 | JarSs | yep! here's where I'm at: " (mount -t ext4 |
| 20:22.44 | JarSs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.59 | JarSs | dev/sda1 in my case, but what's the target |
| 20:23.14 | tomreyn | that's a directory you create |
| 20:23.22 | JarSs | I did, in /home/user/here |
| 20:23.24 | JarSs | and it failed |
| 20:23.46 | JarSs | I also tried /media/here |
| 20:23.49 | tomreyn | well it doesn't say /home/user/target, it says /target |
| 20:24.02 | JarSs | it says it's not in /etc/fstab |
| 20:24.10 | JarSs | as in, literally target? |
| 20:24.20 | tomreyn | no, literally /target |
| 20:24.38 | JarSs | *facepalm* ok one sec |
| 20:25.21 | JarSs | same problem: "/target can't find in /etc/fstab |
| 20:26.53 | tomreyn | which command are you running? |
| 20:28.18 | JarSs | I forgot the ext4 part. Errr. Now it says /target doesnt' exist, ok so I need to mkdir it right |
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| 20:28.44 | JarSs | ....now it worked. ok I'm stupid lol |
| 20:28.45 | tomreyn | <tomreyn> that's a directory you create |
| 20:28.50 | JarSs | continuing |
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| 20:32.29 | JarSs | ok now I'm at the part where I need to chroot |
| 20:32.32 | JarSs | command not found |
| 20:32.41 | JarSs | guess it's not in the path? |
| 20:33.15 | tomreyn | sudo if you're not root |
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| 20:33.40 | gribouille | tomreyn, I've just run smartctl -x, but I dn't understand the output |
| 20:34.13 | JarSs | sudo chroot/target --> "failed to run comman '/bin/bash' No such file or directory" |
| 20:34.16 | tomreyn | gribouille: you could share it and get someone else who doesn't understand it to look at it |
| 20:35.22 | tomreyn | JarSs: whats the live system you're runnnig? |
| 20:35.28 | JarSs | Debian live USB |
| 20:35.36 | gribouille | tomreyn, how can I know if the drive is failing? |
| 20:35.48 | JarSs | I'm user@debian |
| 20:35.57 | tomreyn | JarSs: hmm, maybe try /usr/bin/bash |
| 20:36.13 | tomreyn | but i don't think it's there |
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| 20:36.39 | JarSs | ? |
| 20:36.46 | tomreyn | gribouille: possibly by interpreting output from smartctl -x |
| 20:36.56 | tomreyn | gribouille: which is why i suggested running it |
| 20:37.00 | JarSs | command not found |
| 20:37.23 | tomreyn | JarSs: what'S the exact comand you're running? did you type it correctly? |
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| 20:38.19 | JarSs | first, "sudo chroot /target" that resulted in failed to run comman |
| 20:38.19 | JarSs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.47 | JarSs | then I tried sudo /usr/bin/bash/chroot /target |
| 20:39.11 | tomreyn | sudo chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 20:39.19 | JarSs | ok one sec.. |
| 20:39.53 | tomreyn | if this still returns "command not found" then you didn't mount file systems into /target properly. |
| 20:40.02 | JarSs | chroot: failed to run command 'bin/bash': no such file or directory |
| 20:40.30 | JarSs | well what I did above is to create each directory (/target/sys etc) and then sudo mount whatever it said |
| 20:40.42 | tomreyn | if you had done the mounting properly, you'd have a file /target/bin/bash |
| 20:41.07 | tomreyn | the only directory you create is /target |
| 20:41.28 | tomreyn | all other target directories will be available when you mount the file systems |
| 20:41.32 | JarSs | but if I try to mount after that step, it says the dir doesn't exist. |
| 20:41.56 | tomreyn | then you haven't mounted the root file system to /target (but maybe some other file system) |
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| 20:43.21 | JarSs | I did sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /target |
| 20:43.26 | JarSs | maybe the sda5? |
| 20:43.27 | tomreyn | gribouille: so if you don't know how to interpret the smartctl -x output, feel free to post it to a pastebin and share that here. |
| 20:43.45 | JarSs | wait what |
| 20:43.47 | JarSs | why the hell |
| 20:43.49 | tomreyn | JarSs: i do not know which partition contains your root file system |
| 20:44.13 | JarSs | wait that doesnt' make sense. I think you're right. |
| 20:44.21 | JarSs | I can find by using fdisk right? |
| 20:44.26 | JarSs | whatever it shows as boot |
| 20:44.33 | JarSs | I'll restart and try again |
| 20:44.42 | tomreyn | you can mount them one by one and see what they contain |
| 20:45.20 | JarSs | I believe I only have sda1 and sda2 |
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| 20:45.25 | JarSs | not sure what's the 5 about |
| 20:45.35 | wsky | lvm |
| 20:45.41 | wsky | or |
| 20:45.42 | JarSs | question is should it just be sda, or sda1/sda2? |
| 20:46.14 | wsky | sda is the device node, sda1 and sda2 are partitions |
| 20:46.21 | gribouille | tomreyn, ok |
| 20:46.27 | JarSs | right, and I need to mount the boot partition. ok |
| 20:47.35 | tomreyn | the first file system you mount is the *r*oot file system, the one containing directories such as etc, var, usr and the like |
| 20:47.55 | tomreyn | i.e. not the *b*oot file system |
| 20:48.33 | tomreyn | !fixmbr |
| 20:48.33 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 20:49.23 | JarSs | alright. There's the live USB running from sdb and the hard drive os sda. |
| 20:49.37 | JarSs | I need to mount the root files system, so that's going to be sdb |
| 20:49.53 | JarSs | because that's the live CD I'm running from? Or is it the HDD I'm trying to fix |
| 20:50.34 | another | lsblk -S |
| 20:50.38 | tomreyn | it'll be one odf the sda's most likely. certainly not sdb* |
| 20:50.40 | JarSs | I'm not root, I'm user... the intention here is the root as in /, so that means sda (the hard drive) and we're working on grub there. Does that sound right? |
| 20:51.30 | tomreyn | the term "root file system" refers to the file system mounted at "/", the highest path there is. it does not refer to the "root" system user. |
| 20:51.52 | JarSs | thanks tomreyn. OK yes sda then, sdb is my USB (from lsblk -S) |
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| 20:52.42 | JarSs | so, mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /target |
| 20:53.07 | JarSs | in my case I need sudo: "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /target" that's what I'm going to try |
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| 20:53.27 | tomreyn | but then, /dev/sda points to the raw disk, not to a partition on this disk |
| 20:53.36 | tomreyn | and most likely this disk contains partitions. |
| 20:54.03 | tomreyn | you mentioned sda1 and sda2 |
| 20:54.08 | JarSs | do I need a specific partition? since we're talking about the root |
| 20:54.42 | JarSs | there are sda1 through sda3 |
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| 20:55.08 | another | you cannot mount sda if there are partitions on it |
| 20:55.23 | another | you'll need to mount the appropriate partition |
| 20:55.31 | JarSs | so which partition do I need? I thought the root filesystem |
| 20:55.40 | tomreyn | another: feel free to take over there, i'm loosing too much hair in the process. |
| 20:55.49 | JarSs | I'm sorry tomreyn :/ |
| 20:56.02 | tomreyn | ;) no problem, good luck. |
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| 20:56.48 | JarSs | ok. so which one would that be, what does the partition I need has? |
| 20:57.10 | JarSs | I have sda1, sda2 sda3, and it says root filesystem, which I thought is sda... |
| 20:57.28 | jhutchins | JarSs: Use a tool like fdisk or parted to find out what filesystem is on each partition. |
| 20:58.00 | JarSs | fdisk -l lists sdb, not sda... |
| 20:58.23 | jhutchins | JarSs: fdisk =l /dev/sda |
| 20:58.29 | jhutchins | JarSs: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 20:58.59 | JarSs | thanks! ok, sda1 is EFI |
| 20:59.10 | JarSs | other two are linux filesystem |
| 20:59.26 | JarSs | so, I need mount -t /dev/sda1 /target |
| 20:59.36 | another | drop the `-t` |
| 20:59.49 | JarSs | ok |
| 21:00.29 | JarSs | ok, created target, mounted... |
| 21:00.35 | JarSs | now I'll try the rest |
| 21:00.49 | tomreyn | sudo file -s /dev/sda* can help with identifying the root file system. |
| 21:01.17 | tomreyn | you just said "sda1 is EFI", which rules out that sda1 is the root file system |
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| 21:02.32 | JarSs | ok just tried file -s /dev/sda* lots of info... |
| 21:02.51 | tomreyn | sudo file -s /dev/sda* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:03.31 | n4dir | if you mount it you will see if it is root by looking at what is to be found on the mountpoint, no? |
| 21:03.49 | tomreyn | yes, that's what i explained a while ago |
| 21:03.55 | tomreyn | or tried to |
| 21:04.17 | tomreyn | but this is a difficult process the first time around |
| 21:04.17 | n4dir | yeah, i read now and then, but only parts of it. Go ahead |
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| 21:04.24 | n4dir | it sure is. |
| 21:04.35 | n4dir | and confusing like helll |
| 21:04.35 | JarSs | sorry for the headache I feel bad >.> |
| 21:04.55 | n4dir | you will get it sorted. good luck |
| 21:04.57 | JarSs | maybe I can get you a drink tomreyn? |
| 21:05.04 | JarSs | :) |
| 21:05.10 | tomreyn | JarSs: hehe, thanks, but no. |
| 21:05.34 | tomreyn | JarSs: if you do this you should get a http address in return, and we can see what you have there. sudo file -s /dev/sda* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:05.58 | tomreyn | it means dosclosing this info to the world, but i don't think it'll be too sensitive |
| 21:06.02 | JarSs | ...does that require internet connection tomreyn? |
| 21:06.07 | tomreyn | it does |
| 21:06.12 | JarSs | because, I don't have that haha |
| 21:06.16 | JarSs | I need to install the firmware |
| 21:06.21 | JarSs | which I can't because it won't boot... |
| 21:06.32 | JarSs | don't jump out the window just yet |
| 21:06.56 | JarSs | maybe though I can paste a picture hang on |
| 21:07.00 | tomreyn | back in the days they had this thing called "ethernet", it worked pretty well. |
| 21:07.00 | JarSs | I'll use my phone |
| 21:07.15 | JarSs | tomreyn: not on nice modern XPS they don't... |
| 21:07.18 | JarSs | but one sec let me see here |
| 21:07.21 | n4dir | and it won't boot because grub is broken, i got that right? And right now you folks are trying to chroot to repair grub? |
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| 21:07.33 | JarSs | bingo n4dir |
| 21:07.55 | tomreyn | yes, sney suggested this approach. |
| 21:07.59 | n4dir | it is confusing, and a lot, but do-able. Just stay calm and give it the time it needs |
| 21:08.49 | JarSs | I'm going to post a pic to imgur in a min |
| 21:08.56 | tomreyn | JarSs: if you have a way to 'tether' the phone using a wire, this can help you get online |
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| 21:09.15 | JarSs | I might have something let me see |
| 21:09.25 | tomreyn | (without needing extra firmware) |
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| 21:10.15 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 21:10.15 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 21:12.50 | jhutchins | Note that none of that requires a working connection. |
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| 21:14.01 | JarSs | ibb.co/YLSxFy8 |
| 21:14.27 | JarSs | ...does that help tomreyn? |
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| 21:14.38 | JarSs | and thanks for keep posting it |
| 21:14.59 | tomreyn | a bit, it's not one of the commands i provided, but better than nothing ;) |
| 21:15.11 | JarSs | didn't you gitve me the file -s? |
| 21:15.21 | tomreyn | not *this* file -s |
| 21:15.21 | JarSs | can't keep track.... |
| 21:15.33 | JarSs | OK. tell me what comamnd to run I'll do it haha |
| 21:15.39 | tomreyn | sudo file -s /dev/sda* |
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| 21:15.43 | JarSs | I had to restart again (it locked me out, I don't know what the live CD password is) |
| 21:15.52 | JarSs | ok! one sec |
| 21:16.33 | tomreyn | default password is: live |
| 21:17.28 | JarSs | ibb.co/j4BHtwD |
| 21:17.41 | tomreyn | sda1 will be EFI/ESP, sda2 will be /boot, sda3 will contain the rest, or be / (the root file system) |
| 21:18.24 | tomreyn | in your case, sda3 is a dmcrypt-LUKS v2 crypto container |
| 21:18.47 | JarSs | ...so which one am I trying to mount? I remember root filesystem, but still don't understand how that ties to *b*oot if at all |
| 21:19.22 | JarSs | wait, sda1? |
| 21:19.45 | JarSs | no! you said sda3 will contain the rest, or be / |
| 21:19.51 | JarSs | god you want to kill me don't you |
| 21:20.23 | tomreyn | hehe |
| 21:20.32 | tomreyn | i don't want to guide anymore on this approach. |
| 21:20.48 | tomreyn | let's just fix it in stead. it's a new acer laptop, isnt it? |
| 21:21.02 | JarSs | XPS. not new... new-ish? |
| 21:21.06 | JarSs | should be 2015 m odel |
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| 21:21.10 | JarSs | Dell XPS |
| 21:21.11 | tomreyn | ah dell, ok then i don't know whats wrong |
| 21:21.33 | tomreyn | you need to continue on this route, or reinstall with the firmware iso |
| 21:21.43 | tomreyn | which may or may not work |
| 21:21.57 | JarSs | this route meaning the instructions to reinstall grub? |
| 21:22.04 | tomreyn | the problem you're facing now is that your root file system is wrapped in LVM which is wrapped in a crypto container |
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| 21:22.26 | tomreyn | and i'm not going to guide you through fixing this |
| 21:22.41 | JarSs | ok wait tomreyn, I had this issue also without encrypting |
| 21:22.55 | JarSs | if I get what youre' saying we would be able to resolve this way if it wasn't encrypted? |
| 21:23.05 | tomreyn | yes, the route of following the instructions to reinstall grub, which are not covering the crypto mount + lvm setup |
| 21:23.13 | JarSs | I see. |
| 21:23.16 | n4dir | thing is: doing a chroot if lvm and encryption or even both are involved is more complicated |
| 21:23.39 | JarSs | even if I have the key? and I can try to mount it etc? |
| 21:23.44 | JarSs | eh I'll just take your word for it |
| 21:23.51 | tomreyn | i wish you much luck, JarSs, need to take a break, sorry. |
| 21:24.02 | JarSs | don't be. you helped plenty THANK you. |
| 21:24.08 | tomreyn | :) |
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| 21:29.28 | n4dir | JarSs: it's just more steps. And the live needs to have lvm and luks (?), which not all have, and so on. |
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| 21:33.31 | JarSs | I'm going to try without ecryption (reinstalling now) n4dir |
| 21:33.48 | JarSs | I will use the laptop rarely and I guess I could ssh back home for my files :/ |
| 21:34.10 | n4dir | for a laptop encryption might be useful. I am always at home, so i gave up on it, due to that very problem, but else it is worth to get the head in it. I guess |
| 21:34.20 | n4dir | ah, you just said it |
| 21:34.27 | jhutchins | JarSs: Ah, so you do have backups for the data. |
| 21:34.39 | JarSs | I have lots of backups lol |
| 21:34.59 | JarSs | yeah mostly I work from hom on a VM (which is debian, very happy with it) |
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| 21:35.06 | Unit193 | You can also do some middle ground with libpam-mount and cryfs or gocryptfs. |
| 21:35.11 | JarSs | and I have a RP synching my stuff, emacs org mode specifically |
| 21:35.16 | jhutchins | Yeah, at this point you could probably done a clean install AND restored the data, |
| 21:35.26 | n4dir | encfs or such i do remember too. straight forward |
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| 21:35.55 | jhutchins | I'd work on getting it to boot reliably and getting the firmware for your wifi. |
| 21:36.21 | jhutchins | After that, you can start adding layers of complexity. |
| 21:36.30 | JarSs | ok reinstalled and sure enough "no boot device found |
| 21:36.37 | JarSs | so back to squre 1 |
| 21:36.42 | JarSs | now I will try to follow the steps here |
| 21:36.48 | Unit193 | n4dir: There were issues with that so it fell out of favor. |
| 21:37.02 | n4dir | i see. It's been ages. thanks for the info |
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| 21:37.21 | jhutchins | JarSs: How did you partition it? |
| 21:37.48 | JarSs | jhutchins: I just used whatever defaults there are from the live USB |
| 21:38.01 | JarSs | killed it all, reinstalled. |
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| 21:38.31 | n4dir | aka: the sledgehammer ! :-) |
| 21:38.54 | jhutchins | JarSs: How did you "kill" it? |
| 21:39.54 | JarSs | jhutchins: I used the installer, chose the option to delete the hard drive, and reinstall |
| 21:40.18 | n4dir | this is my video card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6FkOKSOs-k |
| 21:40.23 | JarSs | I'm looking at the output of sudo file -s /dev/sda* |
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| 21:40.32 | n4dir | sorry. [AMD/ATI] RS482/RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100/1150] |
| 21:40.47 | n4dir | and i got really bad graphics. Is there anything i can do about it? |
| 21:40.55 | JarSs | what I'm looking for is sda2, because it says linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data....? |
| 21:41.16 | JarSs | to run chroot and reinstall grub |
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| 21:45.09 | JarSs | can someone help with this: |
| 21:45.12 | JarSs | run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && |
| 21:45.12 | JarSs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.12 | JarSs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:45.35 | JarSs | ok, in terminal "mount /boot/efi but what does it mean "on EFI" |
| 21:45.55 | JarSs | on my EFI filesystem? sda1 in my case? |
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| 21:48.02 | jhutchins | JarSs: No, you mount a filesystem on a mount point. |
| 21:48.48 | jhutchins | JarSs: Does your laptop boot in BIOS mode? (Might be labeled "legacy".) |
| 21:49.11 | jhutchins | !radeon |
| 21:49.11 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 21:50.27 | jhutchins | n4dir: Ought to be something useful there. If you're going to install the driver from ATI, follow their directions _exactly_. If you've tried other stuff it may be difficult to clean up. |
| 21:50.27 | JarSs | I just did "mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi" |
| 21:50.35 | n4dir | thanks jhutchins i looked at the wiki page back and forth, i for one didn't really understand it (not much in graphics, i always run in intel), tried back and forth but without success |
| 21:50.49 | JarSs | jhutchins: what do you mean boot in BIOS mode. into bios configurtations? |
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| 21:52.10 | jhutchins | JarSs: Many systems have the ability to boot to have the basic BIOS functions of connecting drives and managing memory without the need for EFI, but it you got it mounted just proceed. |
| 21:52.50 | jhutchins | JarSs: It's odd that the system is not finding a bootable device. You're not getting as far as grub. |
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| 21:54.41 | JarSs | I GOT IT! |
| 21:54.43 | JarSs | IT"S WORKASINFSDS |
| 21:54.47 | JarSs | OMG I'm gonna blow |
| 21:55.14 | JarSs | jhutchins: the issue was that grub was not loading after regular install. what I did for the last 2 hours or so is try to reinstall grub into sda1 |
| 21:55.22 | JarSs | and I just did it successfully, looks like |
| 21:55.34 | n4dir | uh yeah ! |
| 21:55.44 | JarSs | the problem is that the hard drive is not encrypted, because reinstalling grub was too complicated... |
| 21:56.03 | JarSs | n4dir: you witnessed it :D |
| 21:56.03 | jhutchins | Well, good, try to figure out what actually worked, and see if you can figure out what the direct path would have been. |
| 21:56.21 | JarSs | jhutchins: I don't know why it wouldn't install grub correctly the "regular" way |
| 21:56.25 | JarSs | I have no idea where to start. |
| 21:56.36 | JarSs | it would seem that grub was damaged or not install in the right place |
| 21:56.49 | JarSs | but then again, I wouldn't know how to fix it with encryption. |
| 21:56.56 | jhutchins | JarSs: Well, keep learning, and maybe that hardware is just not compatible. |
| 21:57.06 | JarSs | this is persistant, every time I tried to install debian, I would get this issue with this specific laptop (Dell XPS) |
| 21:59.01 | JarSs | If I was to create an encrypted container (LUKs, maybe vera crypt), could I have another user with the home foler there? or is that going to cause issues. |
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| 22:00.05 | n4dir | if you have different (old ) hardware you may try to get your head into chroot as soon lvm/luks is involved. Or do it with an emulator or such |
| 22:00.23 | n4dir | if you did it like 10 times it should be just as easy |
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| 22:01.16 | n4dir | if i think about it: an emulator is probably the better choice |
| 22:01.25 | JarSs | lol n4dir it took me 2 hours to figure this out without encryption and I barely gave tomreyn a heart attack |
| 22:02.37 | n4dir | yeah. but first to usual chroots untill they go like no nothing. Then add the next step. Like that. |
| 22:03.00 | n4dir | or just do what the other guy recommended: encrypt the data you care for by other means. |
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| 22:03.29 | n4dir | < Unit193> You can also do some middle ground with libpam-mount and cryfs or gocryptfs. |
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| 22:04.47 | Unit193 | Since you mentioned VeraCrypt, pretty sure you can use libpam-mount with that as well, though I haven't done that. I'm not sure I exactly trust it, but I use gocryptfs+libpam-mount. |
| 22:05.12 | JarSs | I don't know if that will happen today... right now I need to install the firmware for the wifi on this XPS |
| 22:05.21 | JarSs | and then figure out xcfe I haven't used it in a bit |
| 22:05.30 | JarSs | (transitioning from KDE) |
| 22:05.57 | Unit193 | It might be a bit of a jump from KDE, but Xfce is a pretty standard and easy to use desktop, IMO. |
| 22:06.27 | JarSs | it's mostly the shortcuts. for example, F2, but then "terminal" and enter doesn't bring up terminal |
| 22:06.33 | JarSs | I need to figure out the hotkeys etc |
| 22:07.42 | Unit193 | FWIW, in Xfce you can redefine most hotkeys. Check application shortcuts in `xfce4-keyboard-settings` |
| 22:13.02 | JarSs | alright running into issues installing broadcome-sta-source deb package |
| 22:13.20 | JarSs | depends dkms... where do I get that? I thought the .deb has everything I need |
| 22:13.35 | JarSs | I mean this package: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/broadcom-sta-source |
| 22:13.45 | JarSs | need it to get wifi going? |
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| 22:23.24 | nvz | you fetched this package manually? |
| 22:24.19 | JarSs | yes |
| 22:24.26 | nvz | no, it doesnt even remotely contain all you need.. it at best contains source code for the driver (not certain as I havent touched broadcom in a long time), at worst fetches it remotely |
| 22:24.40 | nvz | you also need a slew of build dependencies to compile that source into a driver |
| 22:24.59 | JarSs | nvz: ooohh boy. how do I even start to get these? I thought there was a .deb for that? |
| 22:25.05 | JarSs | on a different machine, that was the case |
| 22:25.14 | nvz | when actually online itll fetch all that.. |
| 22:25.37 | nvz | build-essential for example will get you most of what you need.. but still that package itself doesnt contain it |
| 22:25.45 | nvz | it merely exists to depend upon and pull the rest |
| 22:26.29 | nvz | dkms is a framework for automatically rebuilding drivers on kernel upgrades.. that is required.. the compiler is required.. and probably several other tools in the build chain |
| 22:26.43 | nvz | ,depends broadcom-sta-source |
| 22:26.44 | judd | Package broadcom-sta-source in buster/amd64 -- depends: debhelper (>= 8), make, xz-utils. |
| 22:26.50 | JarSs | well how do I get all this stuff from the internet if connecting to the internet is the issue lol |
| 22:26.53 | nvz | perhaps on this other machine you had all the dependencies |
| 22:26.58 | JarSs | judd: that's what I have |
| 22:27.04 | nvz | judd is a bot |
| 22:27.10 | JarSs | oh >.> |
| 22:27.33 | nvz | I asked the bot to tell me what the dependencies were for this |
| 22:27.45 | JarSs | also I can't have a panel because I'm running in kiosk mode.. .apperently? what's all this stuff man |
| 22:27.55 | JarSs | ok one thing at a time. right now I need to figure out how to get wifi going |
| 22:28.12 | nvz | you cannot plug in? but have another debian system with internet? |
| 22:28.23 | JarSs | I have a VM with debian |
| 22:28.28 | JarSs | I can move files back and forth? |
| 22:28.34 | JarSs | with USB |
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| 22:29.03 | nvz | yes, though again been a long time since I did this so I'm not certain what tools are still available lets see.. |
| 22:29.07 | nvz | ,v apt-zip |
| 22:29.08 | judd | No package named 'apt-zip' was found in amd64. |
| 22:29.44 | Unit193 | nvz: apt-offline? |
| 22:30.03 | nvz | ah.. is that what its called now? :P |
| 22:30.09 | nvz | ,i apt-offline |
| 22:30.10 | judd | No package named 'apt-offline' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 22:30.17 | nvz | ,i apt-offline --release stretch |
| 22:30.20 | judd | Package apt-offline (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: offline APT package manager. Version: 1.7.2; Size: 61.1k; Installed: 311k; Homepage: http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org |
| 22:30.40 | nvz | JarSs: you are using stretch correct? the link you posted was to a stretch package |
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| 22:31.56 | JarSs | I don't know |
| 22:32.07 | JarSs | I just looked up XPS setup and that's what came up... |
| 22:32.39 | nvz | JarSs: xps setup? |
| 22:32.55 | JarSs | yes. |
| 22:33.00 | JarSs | 2015 model, Jesse |
| 22:33.05 | nvz | idk what that means. |
| 22:33.15 | nvz | Dell made a machine that shipped with debian? |
| 22:33.20 | JarSs | DELL XPS 13, from 2015 :) |
| 22:33.23 | JarSs | and no |
| 22:33.30 | JarSs | was windows originally |
| 22:33.45 | nvz | then why is it sounding like you already had some situation youre now just dealing with |
| 22:33.59 | JarSs | nvz: not sure what you mean? |
| 22:34.12 | nvz | were this me, I'd go get a buster image and install buster on it |
| 22:34.15 | JarSs | oh you mean the OTHER laptop? sorry. yes there was another, a percision 2013 |
| 22:34.22 | JarSs | I did install buster on it. |
| 22:34.26 | nvz | I dont know why you'd be using stretch or jessie or w/e and trying to fix it |
| 22:34.38 | JarSs | wait wait wait. lol there's a confusion here. sorry |
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| 22:35.04 | JarSs | I install Buster from LIVE CD on an XPS from 2015, originally with Windows. Wiped, did the graphical install. |
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| 22:35.23 | nvz | yes well there are tools to use the apt of one machine to prep a full dependency install package for an offline machine, but they changed a lot in recent years |
| 22:35.36 | JarSs | Now, that Dell, after I solved a whole issue with booting it and GRUB (not related) dooes not have WiFi NIC |
| 22:35.36 | nvz | without knowing WHICH system you are using, its gonna be hard to tell you waht you can do |
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| 22:35.45 | nvz | and if they're two DIFFERENT systems it may be even harder |
| 22:35.52 | nvz | if they're not both running the same version |
| 22:36.09 | JarSs | the system is a Dell XPS 2015, Jesse |
| 22:36.38 | nvz | I'm talking about the OPERATING SYSTEM |
| 22:36.40 | JarSs | here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013 |
| 22:36.54 | JarSs | Debian, Buster? Is there another flavor of it? |
| 22:36.56 | JarSs | I'm lsot |
| 22:36.58 | JarSs | *lost |
| 22:37.11 | nvz | as you may have just deduced from what I just did with judd, apt-zip no longer exists, and neither does apt-offline |
| 22:37.22 | nvz | it does however exist in the previous release, stretch |
| 22:37.33 | nvz | are both your debian systems running Debian 10.x Buster? |
| 22:37.41 | JarSs | yes. |
| 22:38.00 | nvz | alright then we need a solution available in Buster |
| 22:38.17 | JarSs | OK, makes sense |
| 22:38.33 | JarSs | So the link I posted earlier is not that |
| 22:38.47 | nvz | no, the link you posted earlier is packages.debian.org |
| 22:38.56 | nvz | where you can go manually resolve dependencies on your own |
| 22:39.03 | nvz | and for one thing it was to the stretch version of a package |
| 22:39.11 | nvz | you dont wanna be putting stretch packages on buster |
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| 22:39.53 | nvz | in fact you may not even need to do this whatever you're following as a guide.. as things for how to get that particular wifi working may have changed since stretch |
| 22:39.58 | JarSs | nvz: "stretch" is Debian 9?? |
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| 22:40.05 | JarSs | ohhh god. lol I'm sorry I think I'm just getting it |
| 22:40.26 | nvz | perhaps you should start with specifically what the adapter is use lspci -nn or lsusb if its usb.. and tell us the 1234:abcd identifier |
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| 22:41.04 | JarSs | ok... I know it's not USB, it's internal |
| 22:41.06 | JarSs | does that help? |
| 22:41.27 | nvz | if the machine is running, and you type lspci -nn it will help if you tell me the vend:prod identifier |
| 22:41.35 | nvz | will be 8 hex digits seperated by a colon |
| 22:41.36 | JarSs | ok on sec |
| 22:41.46 | nvz | the first 4 I could guess |
| 22:41.53 | nvz | as they'll be the ones for broadcom :P |
| 22:42.05 | JarSs | command not found |
| 22:42.16 | JarSs | the path is messed up maybe ? |
| 22:45.03 | nvz | its /usr/bin/lspci should work as any user |
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| 22:45.16 | nvz | and it is also a fairly base command should be on anything |
| 22:45.33 | nvz | ,file lspci |
| 22:45.37 | judd | Search for lspci in buster/amd64: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci; grc: usr/share/grc/conf.lspci; debian-installer: usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/kurobox-pro/info/lspci |
| 22:45.43 | nvz | ,i pciutils |
| 22:45.45 | judd | Package pciutils (admin, standard) in buster/amd64: Linux PCI Utilities. Version: 1:3.5.2-1; Size: 272.6k; Installed: 1220k; Homepage: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mj/pciutils.shtml; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pciutils |
| 22:45.57 | nvz | its a standard package, pciutils |
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| 22:48.06 | JarSs | ok lsipc or lspci |
| 22:48.22 | JarSs | because I don't have lspci |
| 22:48.48 | JarSs | lsipc gives me number bot nothing that I see seperated by : |
| 22:49.06 | JarSs | don't think that's what you mean |
| 22:49.08 | nvz | yeah its suppose to be lspci |
| 22:49.23 | nvz | as in the List Peripheral Control Interface |
| 22:49.33 | nvz | as in tell me what f'n cards are in this motherboard :P |
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| 22:50.10 | nvz | I can look it up I suppose if its stock and there arent options on which card it can be |
| 22:50.57 | JarSs | will ip command do any good? |
| 22:51.19 | nvz | nope |
| 22:51.30 | JarSs | ok hm |
| 22:51.33 | nvz | and googling is suggesting these machines came with intel wireless |
| 22:51.40 | nvz | which means that broadcom pacakge wouldnt help at all |
| 22:51.52 | JarSs | I can boot into bios maybe? hmm ok I see |
| 22:51.54 | nvz | you would probably just need firmware for the intel if thats what you have |
| 22:52.02 | nvz | no, bios wont be of much help either |
| 22:52.06 | JarSs | let me see |
| 22:52.13 | nvz | the kernel would have some idea what the card is.. |
| 22:52.25 | nvz | you can read the output of dmesg or journalctl -k |
| 22:52.33 | nvz | look for mention of wifi or firmware issues |
| 22:52.48 | nvz | itd be closer to the bottom |
| 22:54.33 | nvz | btw becomming root in buster changed a bit |
| 22:54.35 | nvz | !buster su |
| 22:54.35 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 22:54.37 | JarSs | ok with grep I can get |
| 22:55.08 | JarSs | failing to load iwlwifi-7265d-29 |
| 22:55.33 | nvz | yes, then you have intel, the driver is loaded already, you're just missing the firmware for the card |
| 22:55.46 | nvz | you were totally going the wrong direction with the broadcom thing :P |
| 22:56.01 | nvz | ,file iwlwifi-7265 |
| 22:56.01 | JarSs | well I came to the right place then :D |
| 22:56.05 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 22:56.14 | nvz | ,file iwlwifi-7265d-29.ucode |
| 22:56.18 | judd | Search for iwlwifi-7265d-29.ucode in buster/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D-29.ucode |
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| 22:56.44 | nvz | JarSs: you need the firmware-iwlwifi package, for BUSTER |
| 22:56.49 | nvz | :P |
| 22:56.59 | nvz | that will not require additional dependencies |
| 22:57.06 | nvz | its just firmware files |
| 22:57.44 | JarSs | https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:57.44 | JarSs | ? |
| 22:59.27 | nvz | thatd be the package page, amd64 download links should be at the bottom |
| 22:59.53 | nvz | fwiw you dont exactly have my full attention I'm actively going back and forth to the kitchen making dinenr |
| 22:59.56 | nvz | heh |
| 23:00.15 | JarSs | got it |
| 23:00.17 | JarSs | installed |
| 23:00.40 | JarSs | says something about o114-2 couldn't be access by user _apt something about permission denied (I ran as sudo) |
| 23:00.44 | JarSs | I will restart and see. |
| 23:00.55 | nvz | JarSs: since you seem competent in linux/debian and were fooled by this lemme let you in on a lil secret.. |
| 23:01.09 | nvz | JarSs: don't rely on the onine specs of a company like dell which customizes its machines :P |
| 23:01.33 | nvz | especially when youre relying on information not from dell even but an outdated walkthrough from a user |
| 23:02.02 | JarSs | I HAVE INTERNET |
| 23:02.08 | jhutchins | Manufacturers are contantly changing hardware without updating the specs or the model number. |
| 23:02.13 | JarSs | nvz: yoo da man |
| 23:02.17 | JarSs | or woman, I don't know |
| 23:02.47 | JarSs | ok now the last thing today lol is to figure out why XCFE is running in kiosk mode |
| 23:02.53 | JarSs | and won't allow me to modify the panel |
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| 23:03.06 | JarSs | (first lets run apt upgrade) |
| 23:03.53 | nvz | yes the most reliable means is the pciid number vend:prod of the actual piece of hardware or an error from the kernel like the one you foun |
| 23:04.12 | nvz | even the human-readable NAME of hardware is ambiguous often enough |
| 23:04.43 | nvz | a Foo Super Card may very well have been produced with numerous different chips on it by numerous different manufacturers and still called the same thing |
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| 23:06.12 | nvz | and yeah, I da man.. heh.. been around here a long time.. amatures will take problems at face value and not try get at the details and root of an issue |
| 23:06.33 | nvz | you'd have spent hours trying to get broacom drivers built only to realize you didnt have a broadcom card :P |
| 23:06.38 | nvz | can do all this while cooking sloppy joes :D |
| 23:07.42 | nvz | now if only I had a canopener worth a damn |
| 23:07.58 | JarSs | haha |
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| 23:08.08 | JarSs | I like this channel. I think I'll keep coming |
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| 23:08.29 | JarSs | nvz: you in the mood to help me figure out my XCFE issue as well, so I can start using the thing, or no? |
| 23:08.40 | JarSs | It's ok if not, I milked this channel for help today |
| 23:08.42 | JarSs | learning a lot though |
| 23:08.56 | JarSs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.44 | nvz | you should just hang out here.. and at some point I can teach ya the tricks of the trade to doing that.. most of us don't run normal irc clients locally, we leave a client connected remotely at all times |
| 23:10.59 | nvz | more time you spend here the more you learn.. helps keep ya up to speed on changes too |
| 23:11.35 | nvz | and fwiw if you ever think to yourself well, most cans have pop tabs now.. I'll just buy this $0.88 mainstays canopener from walmart.. yeah.. dont.. |
| 23:12.57 | nvz | maybe someday I'll learn the ways of being an single adult or get one of those clever wife things.. |
| 23:13.03 | JarSs | nvz I'm running emacs over here but I don't have it running 24/7 |
| 23:13.07 | JarSs | I should though, that's coming around |
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| 23:18.38 | nvz | heh |
| 23:19.04 | JarSs | nvz: fixed (the kiok option) |
| 23:19.10 | JarSs | had to clear the .chache/sessions |
| 23:19.22 | JarSs | you using XCFE? |
| 23:19.35 | nvz | no, MATE.. I've used XFCE fairly recently though |
| 23:19.51 | nvz | its an interesting codebase, but I find it a tad immature yet |
| 23:20.24 | JarSs | XCFE? immature? |
| 23:20.28 | JarSs | isn't it like the older? |
| 23:20.34 | JarSs | I guess GNOME is actually |
| 23:20.42 | JarSs | but them MATE is not as mature as XCFE |
| 23:20.46 | JarSs | unless I have it backwards |
| 23:21.20 | nvz | MATE is GNOME 2.x |
| 23:21.34 | nvz | its been around as long as I been here.. under a different name |
| 23:22.13 | nvz | and in mate, when I change from one dock to another my monitors available configure to their last used setup automatically I dont need to muck with display properties |
| 23:22.40 | nvz | and while xfce panel has some neat features, the experience is not consistent.. some applets work in rows, others do not.. etc |
| 23:22.44 | JarSs | hmm. last I saw of MATE was on Mint |
| 23:22.46 | nvz | it just cramps my flow |
| 23:22.49 | JarSs | and that was a few years ago |
| 23:25.14 | nvz | to me XFCE has much the same problem Debian has that our current leader wants to address.. they are growing in features and stuff, but not maturing the user experience across those features |
| 23:25.23 | nvz | many aspects of XFCE seem half baked |
| 23:25.34 | nvz | but there is enough in there to get ya intrigued |
| 23:27.04 | nvz | it lacks a consistent user friendly experience yet.. teases ya with oh look.. you can make rows of applets on the panel.. but only these certain applets will obey this.. |
| 23:27.52 | JarSs | nvz: that sounds like KDE to me, which is why I wanted to try XCFE |
| 23:28.30 | JarSs | there's so much crap coming with KDE... I can't even save my wifi password without configuring the KDE wallet (or it keeps forgetting it), and the default browser is some konquor thing I never used |
| 23:28.30 | nvz | mate however everything feels like it goes together.. doesnt feel like a bunch of projects just thrown together that werent designed to go together |
| 23:29.04 | JarSs | KDE for the most part looks good though, in line, it's slick and fast. just hate all the crap they load |
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| 23:33.52 | nvz | yeah well those backends have always been the bane of KDE and QT apps |
| 23:34.02 | nvz | making them slow and bulky |
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| 23:35.08 | nvz | and fwiw maturity doesnt necessarily come with age it comes with experience and reflection, and XFCE wasnt even an option in Debian as long as GNOME/KDE |
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| 23:48.06 | th_ | pcmanfm seems to pass the wrong path when draggin files from it or opening files in other apps |
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| 23:52.54 | nvz | is it a normal local filesystem or something that requires some gvfsd crap like a fuse, network, or such filesystem? |
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| 23:59.16 | another | hmm.. i need to start an executable as user on boot which initializes the env. any advice? |