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| 00:22.34 | dka | I want to know why my debian server keep rebooting for no reason, I have checked /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, dmesg, journalctl , no clue at all |
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| 00:23.22 | sney | dka: what else is happening? what are you using the server for, is it rebooting after a predictable amount of time, etc? |
| 00:26.00 | somiaj | dka: could you share the /var/log/syslog right around the reboot, like what happens right before the reboot sequence starts, maybe someone else would be able to notice something. |
| 00:26.17 | dka | sney, I use it for sending sms and https |
| 00:26.23 | dka | No it's totally random |
| 00:26.44 | somiaj | also do you see a full reboot happening in the syslog, or is the machine just restarting (like hardware restart vs a software reboot) |
| 00:26.56 | sney | what is the server hardware? |
| 00:27.02 | dka | sney, I use it for sending sms and https |
| 00:27.07 | dka | Here's some log : https://termbin.com/nt767 |
| 00:27.27 | dka | this by running sudo grep -E -i -r 'error|warning|panic' /var/log/ | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 00:28.26 | dka | Perhaps my kernel is too old |
| 00:28.32 | dka | Linux master-letort-01 4.19.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.132-1 (2020-07-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:28.44 | sney | that's the standard stable kernel, fine for lots of things. |
| 00:28.53 | dka | how can I upgrade to linux 5.3+ ? I added buster backport in /etc/apt/source.list but I still can't find a newer image |
| 00:29.09 | sney | random reboots are more likely to be hardware related, which is why I asked what the hardware is |
| 00:29.36 | dka | dmesg => https://termbin.com/t4wd |
| 00:29.47 | dka | Do you see something I missed? |
| 00:29.59 | sney | 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64' would get you the current backports kernel, which I believe is 5.7 |
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| 00:31.56 | somiaj | dka: can you provide the whole part of /var/log/syslog right around the time of one of these reboots. You should be able to see where systemd started the reboot process (if it is software related) and also see where the new boot starts |
| 00:32.05 | dka | E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 00:32.26 | dka | https://termbin.com/5nl9 |
| 00:32.27 | sney | then you did not add buster-backports correctly. double check your sources.list; feel free to pastebin it if you can't find the problem. |
| 00:33.29 | somiaj | seems the log you shared was just rotated, so we can't actully see what is happening around the time of a reboot. Anyways, if you want to just try the new 5.7 kernel and see if that fixes the issue, sney is pointing you in the right direction. |
| 00:33.39 | dka | This is my /etc/apt/source.list = > https://termbin.com/uwa6 |
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| 00:34.32 | sney | that's fine, you must have forgotten to run apt update |
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| 00:35.53 | dka | No, it can't apt update https://termbin.com/hd17 |
| 00:36.07 | dka | E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 00:36.33 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.37 | dka | This server use a SSD with 16GB ram, it's 1 year old. I don't see what can cause the reboot |
| 00:38.06 | sney | try with a trailing slash after debian, e.g. http://deb.debian.org/debian/ |
| 00:38.20 | dka | Already tried same result |
| 00:38.43 | sney | insufficient power, or thermal issues, can cause seemingly "random" reboots that the OS doesn't know about. |
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| 00:40.06 | dka | ok, what about the linux kernel upgrade? |
| 00:40.16 | dka | could this be related? it's kind of central in debian to have apt working |
| 00:40.56 | RoyK | kinda⦠|
| 00:41.23 | sney | maybe that docker entry is doing something weird to apt's parser, move the buster-backports line above it. |
| 00:41.49 | sney | this is what sources.list looks like on my buster server, for reference: https://paste.debian.net/1163978/ |
| 00:42.49 | dka | same weirdness E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 00:43.33 | sney | you still need to run apt update, having '-t buster-backports' will ALWAYS produce that same exact error until apt has read that mirror |
| 00:43.57 | dka | I did it -_- |
| 00:44.06 | dka | I know what apt-get update does, and apt update |
| 00:44.17 | dka | both seems not to update from backports, but no error code |
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| 00:44.58 | sney | earlier you mentioned source.list, was that a typo? you are making these changes in /etc/apt/sources.list correct? note the spelling |
| 00:45.49 | dka | This is my apt-config dump https://termbin.com/ujva2 |
| 00:47.00 | sney | what do you get for 'apt policy' |
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| 00:48.20 | dka | https://termbin.com/juxns and https://termbin.com/jwcds |
| 00:48.51 | dka | seems like backport is not in it |
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| 00:48.59 | sney | I didn't ask for the package, but ok. |
| 00:49.28 | dka | Ok, It was a typo in file name |
| 00:51.20 | dka | I'll upgrade to 5.7 and see if that fix the reboot |
| 00:51.42 | sney | you were making the changes in the wrong file? |
| 00:51.48 | dka | i was |
| 00:51.51 | sney | well. |
| 00:52.15 | dka | How can I make usb_modswitch permanent after a reboot ? |
| 00:52.32 | sney | where do you set it currently? |
| 00:53.07 | sney | oh, modeswitch |
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| 00:56.11 | sney | it looks like it's supposed to be done with udev rules. |
| 00:56.36 | sney | https://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ in the "how to use" section |
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| 01:14.58 | jo-erlend | This is driving me nuts. I have an apt-mirror. I've given it to _apt. I've added it to my sources.list using file: and when I update, everything is ignored. What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:15.15 | jo-erlend | the user underscore_apt |
| 01:16.41 | dvs | jo-erlend, did you apt-mirror as apt-mirror after setting up your apt-mirror ;-) |
| 01:18.08 | jo-erlend | dvs, one more time? :) |
| 01:18.43 | dvs | apt-mirror |
| 01:18.45 | dvs | runs |
| 01:18.59 | jo-erlend | I run apt-mirror as root without thinking much about it. |
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| 01:19.41 | dvs | jo-erlend, ah, that's wrong. You have to run it is apt-mirror or else it will stop working. |
| 01:20.01 | dvs | *run it as apt-mirror |
| 01:20.27 | jo-erlend | dvs, ok, but I have run it as root. How do I fix it? |
| 01:21.14 | dvs | jo-erlend, you have to change the ownership of all the files in /var/spool/apt-mirror to apt-mirror |
| 01:24.08 | jo-erlend | right. And then run it as apt-mirror. Doing that now. |
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| 01:25.37 | jo-erlend | dvs, still isn't working. When I apt update, I get lots of ign and no packages can be found when I do apt search. |
| 01:26.26 | dvs | jo-erlend, Did you run apt-mirror? It typically takes HOURS to run. |
| 01:27.07 | jo-erlend | Yes. |
| 01:27.37 | jo-erlend | I downloaded Ubuntu focal. It's about 96GB. |
| 01:28.45 | jo-erlend | dvs, I get an error message E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 01:28.58 | jo-erlend | But I don't know why. |
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| 01:31.56 | jo-erlend | dvs, I pasted the output. Would appreciate it if you had a look. I can't see what I'm doing wrong: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2M8dwXbPCK/ |
| 01:32.44 | strongsec | jo-erlend: So, are you running Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 01:32.50 | jo-erlend | Ubuntu |
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| 01:34.50 | strongsec | jo-erlend: You may want to seek assistance from #ubuntu, then. |
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| 02:22.48 | warsoul | sponix they work now good for example i turn off monitor tomorrow morning will not work |
| 02:22.51 | warsoul | have to reset pc |
| 02:23.07 | warsoul | but mouse moves |
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| 03:22.41 | epitamizer | how do i get fluxbox to rollup window to just titlebar? |
| 03:23.00 | n4dir | double click on it |
| 03:23.34 | n4dir | don |
| 03:23.45 | n4dir | t most WM's do it like that? |
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| 03:23.59 | epitamizer | is there binding to map it to roll button |
| 03:24.16 | n4dir | just checked the keys file in .fluxbox, doesn't look like it |
| 03:24.24 | n4dir | i might be wrong, sure |
| 03:24.49 | n4dir | you search for "Shade" or lower case |
| 03:27.11 | n4dir | epitamizer: they , fluxbox, have an irc channel. #fluxbox |
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| 04:31.28 | mimi_tom | hi, I screwed up something on my source.list files when I tryed to configure apt over https and I somewhow undoed it but when I do apt update, it gives me errors. I tried online solutions but nothing worked, I removed source.list file and got the sources from https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList but still its giving me error. Here is my errors and my source.list file: |
| 04:31.33 | mimi_tom | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1163986 Can someone please help me out? |
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| 04:32.32 | ansimita | !ppa |
| 04:32.32 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 04:33.43 | mimi_tom | is that for me? idk what to do with that |
| 04:33.52 | ansimita | mimi_tom: debian doesn't support PPAs |
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| 04:34.21 | ansimita | mimi_tom: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 04:34.22 | z14 | Hi, I'm using testing but the text in my /etc/debian_version is 'bullseye/sid', I thought it should be 'bullseye/testing'. This is my sources.list http://vpaste.net/Qp1YO Is it misconfigured? |
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| 04:35.29 | mimi_tom | can you tell me any way I can fix this? |
| 04:36.52 | ansimita | mimi_tom: I would uninstall any ppa packages, and the ppa items from sources.list |
| 04:37.17 | ansimita | !debian-next |
| 04:37.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 04:37.25 | ansimita | z14: ^ |
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| 04:40.36 | z14 | ansimita, okay, thx |
| 04:44.18 | ansimita | mimi_tom: just realized u've reset ur sources.list and u're still getting the errors, unfortunately IDK what to do here, maybe someone else can help u |
| 04:44.39 | mimi_tom | ok, im waiting |
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| 04:44.45 | mimi_tom | *for that someone |
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| 04:48.36 | diogenes_ | mimi_tom, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 04:48.53 | diogenes_ | anything there? |
| 04:49.04 | brachamh_ | diogenes_, i was just going to recommend checking that! |
| 04:49.12 | mimi_tom | diogenes_: https://termbin.com/vhhzs |
| 04:49.38 | diogenes_ | mimi_tom, nice :) |
| 04:49.48 | mimi_tom | ? |
| 04:50.32 | diogenes_ | why do you need those extra 3rd party stuff? |
| 04:50.41 | mimi_tom | no, not at all |
| 04:51.42 | diogenes_ | do: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d /etc/apt/sources.list.d.bak |
| 04:52.04 | alex11 | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 04:52.06 | diogenes_ | sudo apt update |
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| 04:53.44 | mimi_tom | diogenes_: OMG, thank you so much :) |
| 04:53.50 | mimi_tom | it works |
| 04:55.15 | diogenes_ | you're welcome. |
| 04:55.49 | brachamh_ | awesome! i'm glad i would've been right too, just means i'm learning! i think i also am just about to have my usb wifi device auto loading finally too! |
| 04:57.52 | mimi_tom | im curious, how did you know by moving the contents of that dir to somewhere will solve the issue im facing on apt update? anything from my apt update's output? |
| 04:59.15 | brachamh_ | that directory is a supplement to sources.list |
| 05:00.24 | brachamh_ | some packages don't directly edit sources.list, they add their own sources file to the directory |
| 05:01.29 | diogenes_ | mimi_tom, /etc/apt/sources.list is a file that contains sources /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory for snippets where you can add additional sources without messing with /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 05:03.23 | mimi_tom | oh, i see. i never know that |
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| 05:26.06 | brachamh_ | yes i finally got it to work! slightly messy, possibly (combination of NetworkManager and an "interfaces" file), but it works! |
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| 05:33.38 | bipul | I'm using this debian-9.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso and i mounted it to /mnt but could not able to find filesystem.squashfs |
| 05:34.23 | bipul | tried using find . -type f | grep filesystem.squashfs |
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| 07:37.26 | Kob | Hi guys, just installed fresh 10.5 from netinst CD and it appears that resolvconf package is missing. Is it intended, or did I screw up somewhere? |
| 07:37.55 | Haohmaru | ,v resolvconf |
| 07:37.57 | judd | Package: resolvconf on amd64 -- jessie: 1.76.1; buster: 1.79; stretch: 1.79; bullseye: 1.84; sid: 1.84 |
| 07:38.10 | ksk | ,info resolvconf |
| 07:38.11 | judd | Package resolvconf (net, optional) in buster/amd64: name server information handler. Version: 1.79; Size: 72.4k; Installed: 191k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/resolvconf/ |
| 07:38.22 | ksk | Kob: as its "optional" that could totally be. |
| 07:38.37 | ksk | Are you missing any functionality? |
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| 07:42.33 | Kob | well yeah, name resolution seems pretty important to me |
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| 07:50.12 | ksk | that will work even without the package installed, I would guess :P |
| 07:50.17 | ksk | does |
| 07:50.31 | ksk | "apt-get update" work? ;) |
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| 07:50.59 | ksk | try "getent hosts google.com" for example. |
| 07:51.53 | ksk | also, it might be that this package got replaced by NetworkManager, Networkd foo on a desktop, maybe? |
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| 07:57.46 | Kob | apt-get doesn't seem to work. when I try to ping google.com, I get "ping: google.com: Temporary failure in name resolution". I don't have desktop environment installed. I guess my problem is that I used netinst ISO, without actually having network connection at installation time. I thought I would configure network post installation, and then get all the needed packages. Just ran into this missing resolconf issue. |
| 07:58.40 | jelly | Kob, is /etc/resolv.conf file populated? |
| 07:59.42 | jelly | resolvconf package brings additional functionality, but the file ought to be filled in anyway if you're using dhcp to set up networking |
| 07:59.47 | ksk | Kob: ah okay. (How) did you configure networking after booting into freshyl installed debian? |
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| 08:03.30 | Kob | No such file /etc/resolv.conf Configured network manually, entered address and netmask. Then wanted to configure name resolution and ran into no resolv.conf file. Can I just create it myself? Network seems to be working, that is I can ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 08:04.54 | ksk | Would not hurt to try it, yes. |
| 08:06.25 | ksk | on this shellhost here I dont have any package responsible for /etc/resolv.conf, but its there and used (granted, its an lxd box) |
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| 08:14.37 | Kob | Did not seem to work. Maybe I will try to reinstall 10.5 from different media. |
| 08:15.50 | ksk | Kob: why not just install resolvconf then? |
| 08:16.03 | ksk | ah, you cannot use atp? mhhm! |
| 08:16.41 | ksk | I dont think the missing package is the issue here, though. As jell-y stated, the system (libc) does name resolution, without any additional packages |
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| 09:37.03 | dka | I want to know why my debian server keep rebooting for no reason, I have checked /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, dmesg, journalctl , no clue at all |
| 09:37.27 | dka | Yesterday, I started two process, and logged the time in loop, I can tell the server shutdown at 4:24:44AM CEST |
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| 09:38.59 | dka | The log I see start at 4:25:10 (after reboot): Sep 16 04:25:10 master-letort-01 kernel: [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 8.3.0 (Debian 8.3.0-6), GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.31.1) #1 SMP Debian 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 (2020-07-30) |
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| 09:41.11 | ratrace | dka: if you have hard crash without any logs, it indicates a hardware failure or kernel otherwise locking up so hard that no log entries are committed to disk. You could ssh-in and "tail" dmesg with -Tw (don't pipe to `tail`), or even better if you have some sort of serial output capabilities, monitor kernel messages through those. |
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| 09:45.41 | babboz | hello, I'm trying to install debian testing from an iso on a kvm vm with qemu-system-x86_64 -hda image.qcow2 -cdrom ~/Downloads/debian.iso -boot d -m 2048 , but it fails on "Detecting removable media" without also being able to load additional drivers, anyone has a suggesition on how to fix this? |
| 09:46.18 | babboz | The precise error message is "No device for installation media was detected" |
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| 09:48.20 | taman | babboz, there's something in the /topic about testing, you might have better luck there. |
| 09:49.47 | dka | ratrace, it takes about 30 min to 2h before restarting, I did the dmesg -Tw |
| 09:50.21 | dka | I hope it will crash soon enough, I am monitoring this issue and to me it is not the HD (SSD), it is not the CPU (i7), it is not the RAM (16GB), it can only be the motherboard |
| 09:50.42 | ratrace | dka: you ran memtest? at least overnight? |
| 09:50.57 | dka | i can tell this because, before formatting to linux non interactive server, I used to have two HD, the SSD with linux debian + cinnamon dekstop, and an HDD with windows 10 |
| 09:51.03 | dka | I was able to run both without any reboot |
| 09:51.29 | dka | ratrace I never run memtest, I just used to have no problem with two OS so I wouldn't start before having problem |
| 09:51.40 | dka | to me it's software issue with linux, or MB bios ios |
| 09:51.42 | ratrace | then you can't exclude memory without a proper memtest |
| 09:51.46 | dka | Ok |
| 09:51.54 | ratrace | software issue is possible but then in something deep in ring0, like GPU drivers |
| 09:52.08 | dka | I am running sudo memtester 1024 5 |
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| 09:52.35 | ratrace | dka: no you'll have to reboot into it. it has to pass through _all_ memory regions several times with different patterns. not possible on a running system |
| 09:52.50 | dka | how do you suggest to start it? |
| 09:53.44 | ratrace | dka: first you install memtest86, then you reboot and select it from the grub menu, then you leave it for at least 6 hours |
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| 09:54.52 | dka | ok |
| 09:54.59 | dka | I'll keep the memtest running for today |
| 09:55.05 | dka | and I will try your solution tonight |
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| 09:55.24 | dka | In any casem the ram test on the running host did not reboot the server |
| 09:58.32 | ratrace | if the problematic memory part is in the region claimed by the kernel, userland memtest won't find it |
| 09:59.11 | frostschutz | moreso if the userland memtest only gets 1G out of xx G ;-) you'd have to be "lucky" to run into an error then |
| 10:00.09 | frostschutz | if memtest86 is not possible, memtester is best run from initramfs where it can take all ram w/o worrying about OOM killing other processes |
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| 10:00.41 | ratrace | but assuming the kernel doesn't lock up long/hard enough, to allow a kprint or few, then dmesg -Tw should be able to show it. ideally done on the console as ssh adds more codepaths so the kernel panics and crashes before the NIC sends out the buffer |
| 10:00.57 | dka | what does -Tw |
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| 10:01.18 | ratrace | dka: well, ideally when you're recommended a command like that, check the manpage first :) |
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| 10:29.16 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone |
| 10:29.25 | rocketmagnet | i got myself a new pen display |
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| 10:29.47 | rocketmagnet | the problem is that the pen is not using the correct screen |
| 10:30.16 | rocketmagnet | normaly i use xinput map-to-output id HDMI-0 but this time it doesn't work |
| 10:30.31 | rocketmagnet | how can i see the available screens ? |
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| 10:35.44 | centrix | I am building squid-4.13, but in the config.log I found a complain about missing sasl.h though it is located in /usr/include/sasl. |
| 10:35.55 | centrix | Anyone faced this? |
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| 10:36.08 | centrix | Mybe a wrong channel too. |
| 10:36.50 | ratrace | centrix: maybe you need libsasl2-dev: /usr/include/sasl/sasl.h |
| 10:37.16 | Mava42 | ok, any ideas: using still oldstable with Gnome but still got a weird problem: sometimes my volume from the machine is increased by some app, e.g. zoom or okular to 100%. Any ideas what's the reason and where the bug is in? |
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| 10:38.21 | centrix | ratrace, I got that package installed, but in "conftest.cpp" there is "#include <sasl.h>". Shouldn't there be "#include <sasl/sasl.h>" instead? |
| 10:38.28 | jelly | centrix, did you install build-deps for squid? |
| 10:38.33 | jelly | !build-dep |
| 10:38.34 | dpkg | build-deps are the packages you need to compile a package. "aptitude build-dep package-you-want-to-build" will install them, or use mk-build-deps (equivs package) to have undo-able build-dep installation. If using <uupdate> or <ssb> to update a package, you will likely need additional -dev packages. You can «/msg judd builddeps package». |
| 10:38.42 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 10:38.42 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 10:38.56 | jelly | ,v squid |
| 10:38.58 | judd | Package: squid on amd64 -- stretch: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; buster: 4.6-1+deb10u3; buster-proposed-updates: 4.6-1+deb10u4; buster-security: 4.6-1+deb10u4; buster-backports: 4.11-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4.13-1; sid: 4.13-1 |
| 10:38.58 | nkuttler | Mava42: what do you mean, increased? |
| 10:39.31 | jelly | centrix, you might want to follow the "simple sid backport" recipe if you're not doing that already |
| 10:39.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell centrix about ssb |
| 10:39.41 | centrix | jelly, no. I am not perfect at Debian distro. Let me do so. |
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| 10:40.00 | Mava42 | nkuttler: volume level (line out) is set to approx 30%. then when program starts. it jumps to 100% |
| 10:41.15 | Mava42 | i should probably just upgrade to stable and see what happens... |
| 10:41.29 | nkuttler | sounds like a plan, yeah |
| 10:41.59 | ratrace | Mava42: PulseAudio uses ALSA for backend. It's possible some ALSA-only apps are messing with the ALSA mixer settings which I think would be reflected in the master/line-out volume setting in PA |
| 10:42.47 | Mava42 | ratrace: that sounds in fact very logic explanation. any ideas howto fix that ? |
| 10:42.53 | ratrace | I mean, just open alsamixer and change the master volume, you'll see it changed equally in pulseaudio controls, eg via pavucontrol |
| 10:43.01 | ratrace | Mava42: don't use ALSA directly :) |
| 10:43.07 | Mava42 | mm =) |
| 10:43.31 | Mava42 | sometimes this machine scares the shit out of me with these sudden vol increments |
| 10:43.46 | ratrace | this ALSA mess has caused me headaches too. I messed my firefox AppArmor profile and it couldn't use pulseaudio for a while, so the thing reverted to ALSA directly and of course audio config havoc ensued. |
| 10:44.05 | ratrace | and FF was supposedly _removing_ the ALSA integration..... |
| 10:44.18 | Mava42 | oh.. |
| 10:44.37 | ratrace | it's not really pulseaudio's fault, but ALSA (reason why pulseaudio even exists) |
| 10:45.08 | ratrace | with PA, each application has their own control and has no business (or even capabilities) to alter master volume... that's impossible with alsa, there's only physical channels with it |
| 10:46.01 | Mava42 | ratrace: that was very well explained, even I got it! And that's how things should be: own control for each app. |
| 10:46.02 | ratrace | Mava42: what you could do is make the loudest volume setting acceptable, so it doesn't headbutt you when it happens |
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| 10:47.09 | Mava42 | ratrace: that sounds quick, but rather good gix |
| 10:48.00 | ratrace | right and when you get an app that's suddenly ultra quiet and you see the mastre volume changed, see if you can reconfigure it back to loudest |
| 10:48.16 | ratrace | (it the application doing that) |
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| 10:51.03 | rocketmagnet | how can i list all available monitors that are connected so i can use them to setup xinput ?? |
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| 10:52.41 | diogenes_ | rocketmagnet, xrandr | grep " connected " | awk '{ print$1 }' |
| 10:53.15 | Mava42 | probably time to grab a coffee first -> |
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| 10:54.26 | Mava42 | ratrace: nonetheless, this will help. thank you! =) |
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| 10:54.43 | centrix | jelly, so far so good. Making now. Thanks. |
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| 10:56.26 | rocketmagnet | hi again, i got it working, now my problem is that when i unplug one of my two screens and plugin the pen display the xinput settings are messed up and i have always have to do xinput map-to-output 14 HDMI-0 |
| 10:56.37 | rocketmagnet | is there a way linux can do this on it's own ? |
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| 10:57.38 | diogenes_ | rocketmagnet, you could probably tweak the udev rules to add the command you want to run whenever the monitor gets attached. |
| 10:58.01 | rocketmagnet | do you know how to do that ? |
| 10:58.10 | rocketmagnet | i don't know about udev |
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| 11:00.59 | diogenes_ | rocketmagnet, here: https://wiki.debian.org/udev |
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| 11:05.48 | dvs | !wb |
| 11:05.49 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:24.04 | n4dir | suddenly when logging in to tty i get the message: "xset unable to open display """. And when i use su - ; i get that message too. I did grep for xset, but don't find it anywhere. I searched the web, but no hints |
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| 11:30.44 | nevivurn | n4dir: something being run in some of the shell init scripts may be trying to do GUI stuff, and that in turn tries to do stuff with xset, but it errors out because it can't find X. |
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| 11:31.30 | n4dir | Yeah. Well: how may i find what is trying to do something? What am i looking for? |
| 11:31.55 | n4dir | with shell init scripts you mean .profile and .bashrc and similar? |
| 11:31.58 | nevivurn | Which shell do you use? bash? |
| 11:32.01 | n4dir | yes |
| 11:32.18 | nevivurn | does just 'bash' in an existing session also trigger the message? |
| 11:32.38 | n4dir | give me a second, just starting the PC where it happens |
| 11:33.10 | n4dir | i am quite sure i didn't make any changes, but ... i probably have. |
| 11:33.48 | n4dir | no, running "bash" as user or as root don't give that message a second time |
| 11:34.16 | nevivurn | and `bash -l` ? |
| 11:34.27 | n4dir | i also did mv .profile profile_backup, same for bashrc, same problem. hence mv'ed them back |
| 11:34.40 | nevivurn | hmmm |
| 11:35.06 | n4dir | as user bash -l doesn't give that message again, as root it does give it again |
| 11:35.31 | n4dir | i did rm .XDefaults too (don't need it anymore). So of more i can't think |
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| 11:36.44 | nevivurn | Hm,, that is odd. If there's nothing suspicious in /root, or something in /etc/profile and the such, not sure what else it could be. |
| 11:37.02 | n4dir | let me look at /etc/profile |
| 11:37.10 | n4dir | btw: thanks for giving me a hand |
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| 11:39.48 | n4dir | i see nothing unusual in /etc/profile. Also all those files are pretty much the way they come. I hardly edit anything in there (as aliases or such) |
| 11:41.59 | n4dir | i created a new user. Same problem. |
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| 11:44.12 | mossylane | have you tried the physical console? |
| 11:44.34 | n4dir | mossylane: what is a physical console? |
| 11:44.53 | mossylane | with the ctrl-shift-alt-f2 or something you get a real text console, not an x terminal |
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| 11:45.04 | mossylane | maybe the error wont show in that case.. |
| 11:45.21 | mossylane | just curious, not a recommendation :) |
| 11:45.22 | n4dir | but the problem is solved: there were scripts in /etc/profile.d/; which /etc/profile does load, the scripts partly assume lightdm or such. |
| 11:45.36 | mossylane | ahhh |
| 11:45.38 | n4dir | mossylane: yes, it happened there too (thats what i boot too) |
| 11:45.39 | mossylane | sorry :) |
| 11:46.04 | n4dir | nah nah, every idea is good. I installed two days in a row, hence pretty confused right now (much went south) |
| 11:46.45 | dka | ratrace, it just crashed now, the log for dmesg -Tw is nothing, last log of dmesg was 12:02 |
| 11:47.05 | dka | so it was 1h46min ago, it keep hanging even if the remote host rebooted |
| 11:47.16 | dka | How can I fix those reboot ? |
| 11:47.28 | gorby | Heya, im trying to redirect syslog messages from gdm-x-session to a seperate file but cant make it work no matter where I put the rules. I have other rsyslog rules that work fine. gdm-x-session spams /var/log/messages like crazy. |
| 11:47.39 | ratrace | dka: run the memtet86 properly first, see if there's a memory failure |
| 11:48.02 | gorby | Is there a way I can change the log level or something? |
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| 11:49.56 | ratrace | gorby: I don't know, I stopped using gnome long time ago, but that spamming is indicative of an issue. perhaps you can fix that first? as for rsyslog filters, you just need a correct one. what are you using now? |
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| 11:51.00 | gorby | Its for things that seem really minor - (monitor connection everytime it powers on / off) gtk issues in particular apps - nothing I really care about. |
| 11:51.13 | gorby | Ill paste, hang on. |
| 11:52.02 | gorby | if ($programname == 'gdm-xsession') then { |
| 11:52.04 | gorby | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.06 | gorby | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.25 | gorby | I have put this below the /var/log/messages catch all, and tried in a seperate file in rsyslog.d |
| 11:54.04 | gorby | The weird thing is, other custom rules I wrote work fine, its just gdm-x-session that seems to do it. |
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| 11:55.09 | dka | Is there a sqlexpress gui client on linux debian? |
| 11:56.55 | jelly | gorby, you'd have to put it _above_ the catch-all |
| 11:56.56 | dka | How can I connect to microsoft sql express server from linux ? The dude says there's no PORT how is that possible ? |
| 11:57.24 | jelly | let me see how our own rsyslog filters (old syntax) look like |
| 11:57.43 | gorby | jelly: Ah. I think I tried that too, but will give it another go. All my other rules work outside the conf file. |
| 11:57.48 | gorby | Cheers. |
| 11:58.09 | jelly | which facility does that app log to? |
| 11:58.15 | ratrace | gorby: is that supposed to be rsyslog? I don't recognize that syntax... if $programname startswith 'gdm-x-session' then /logfileblah\n & stop |
| 11:58.20 | jelly | maybe you can filter out the whole facility |
| 11:58.30 | ratrace | also check if it's gdm-x-session or gdm-xsession |
| 11:58.42 | jelly | ratrace, rsyslog changed syntax like 2 times, maybe 3 now |
| 11:58.47 | ratrace | bah |
| 11:58.57 | OsteHovel | dka: Microsoft SQL Express server listenes to a random port by default, you will need to set a specific port for it |
| 11:59.00 | jelly | I honestly can't tell if the above is valid and sane or not |
| 11:59.13 | gorby | It works for a lot of other messages. |
| 11:59.33 | gorby | There is an 'older' way I tried too, but this is whats recommened on ryslog website |
| 11:59.45 | ratrace | action(type= file=) sounds like syslog-ng to me |
| 12:00.09 | jelly | :programname, isequal, "qmail-send" ~ |
| 12:00.12 | ratrace | actually no, syslog-ng doesn't do = |
| 12:00.16 | jelly | this is definitely old syntax |
| 12:00.24 | ratrace | jelly: that's the syntax I use |
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| 12:01.22 | ratrace | there's also :msg, regex, "...." /file as programname can be tricky in some situations |
| 12:01.28 | gorby | jelly : these are messages that are turning up in /var/log/messages |
| 12:01.49 | jelly | gorby, okay, but which facility? |
| 12:02.16 | jelly | syslog has 7-8 hardcoded facilities plus 9 "local" ones |
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| 12:03.39 | gorby | How can I tell? would it be in gdm's config somewhere? |
| 12:04.46 | jelly | if you're lucky it's documented in the manual for the command, or in the config file(s), if you're not lucky it's in the source code |
| 12:04.52 | ratrace | gorby: you can add severity and facility to the format template |
| 12:05.02 | ratrace | (so syslog includes those in the log entries) |
| 12:05.06 | jelly | ooh. |
| 12:05.29 | gorby | Oh, so I could add that to the catch all? |
| 12:06.00 | gorby | its definately gdm-x-session, btw. |
| 12:06.26 | ratrace | right, and your paste was gdm-xsession so see where you typo'd, here or in the config file |
| 12:07.02 | gorby | its... not? |
| 12:07.19 | gorby | â12:52:02 gorby | action(type="omfile" file="/var/log/gdm-x-session.log") |
| 12:07.30 | ratrace | 13:52 < gorby> if ($programname == 'gdm-xsession') then { |
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| 12:08.53 | gorby | weird - have sanity checked. Its definately not that on my screen or in the file. |
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| 12:10.39 | ratrace | depending on which editor you used, it's possible there's hidden characters that would mess copypasta... happened to me in pycharm I alt+mashed something and I don't see it, but it's in the unicode alright... |
| 12:11.05 | ratrace | but for configs etc, I only vim. |
| 12:11.54 | gorby | copyed it from less output. Will check that out tho. |
| 12:12.13 | dka | OsteHovel, I am not the administrator |
| 12:12.19 | dka | the administrator tries to give me an access to it |
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| 12:13.01 | dka | He claims: "this is an express sql server and therefore the port is not 1433 but there is no need for the port to connect tcp / ip on a sql server interface. I have opened the udp port and the dynamic tcp port of the sql express server and confirm that I am connecting to the server from outside." |
| 12:13.36 | dka | Does it make sens ? To me a service MUST have a port, I don't know about windows nor linux client but looking at https://i.stack.imgur.com/RPWjQ.png it seems that the windows client does not require a PORT |
| 12:14.35 | gorby | ratrace: its not there. o0 Fired up a different terminal emulator and the slash isnt there. |
| 12:14.54 | gorby | ratrace Nice catch. Now im worried about loads of other files :F |
| 12:15.11 | gorby | dash, rather. |
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| 12:16.43 | ratrace | wellp... damn unicode :) |
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| 12:18.46 | OsteHovel | dka, it is because it connects with a "named instance" then it talk to the SQL Server Browser service at UDP port 1434 and that replies with the correct TCP port for that instance |
| 12:19.16 | OsteHovel | dka, ref: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/sql-server/install/configure-the-windows-firewall-to-allow-sql-server-access?view=sql-server-ver15#BKMK_ssde |
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| 12:33.10 | Orbstheorem | Hello o/ How can I find the stack release that bests suits a debian distribution? I remember stumbling across a matrix-like page sometime ago. |
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| 12:51.16 | ksk | Orbstheorem: what is "stack" in that context? |
| 12:52.02 | Orbstheorem | ksk: https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/README/ |
| 12:52.31 | ksk | ,v stack |
| 12:52.32 | judd | No package named 'stack' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:53.11 | ksk | ,v haskell-stack |
| 12:53.12 | judd | Package: haskell-stack on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.2-7+b1; buster: 1.7.1-3; bullseye: 1.9.3.1-1; sid: 2.3.3-1 |
| 12:53.38 | ksk | Orbstheorem: you just install the one that is in the official Debian repositories, if you do not need features from a newer Release. |
| 12:54.27 | ksk | that is, you install it for your release, you never "just install some package from testing/unstable", if that was the question, see |
| 12:54.35 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 12:54.35 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 13:00.15 | Orbstheorem | ksk: I think my question wasn't clear: I meant. I have a stack project which I would now like to turn into a debian package. |
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| 13:02.19 | Orbstheorem | Stack releases are set of package with versions that are known to work toguether. Which is why I wonder how can I find a stack release which is compatible with a debian distribution. |
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| 13:05.00 | n4dir | Orbstheorem: not in the subject by any means, but debian wiki seems to mention an IRC channel and a mailing list for haskell: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianHaskellGroup?action=show&redirect=Haskell |
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| 13:09.25 | ksk | Orbstheorem: mhhm, you just look at the version information given by the bot previously? buster seems to have 1.7 (this will not change inside of a (stable) release) |
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| 13:11.24 | fredl | when does resolvconf normally gets run? |
| 13:11.28 | fredl | At boot? |
| 13:12.59 | jelly | everytime something integrated with it calls it to add or remove its entries from /etc/resolv.conf. Every network (re)connection, every vpn (re)connection, every time a local dns service is stopped or started... |
| 13:13.05 | fredl | ifup does that right? |
| 13:13.46 | jelly | ifupdown is one of the things that can do it, if dhcp is configured, or if you have explicit dns-* lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:13.49 | fredl | I wanna automate resolvconf on some oldie servers with ansible |
| 13:14.27 | fredl | Ubuntu servers *yikes* |
| 13:14.31 | fredl | :) |
| 13:15.20 | jelly | if they have static network config in /e/n/interfaces, just install the package and add dns-search and dns-nameservers lines into relevant iface ... stanzas |
| 13:15.31 | jelly | oh, if it's ubuntu I have no idea :-D |
| 13:16.17 | jelly | I konw the latest uses netplan to configure networkd to configure network. |
| 13:16.57 | jelly | and that I don't have to care about that in Debian for now |
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| 13:19.16 | ratrace | soon: netif.io that configures netplan that configures networkd that configures network. Coming soon to Ubuntu near you. This advertisement has been paid by Sarcasming Cynics Association of America. |
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| 13:28.08 | jelly | but you're going to use terraform to tell ansible to provision and configure all of that on your servers |
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| 13:55.09 | rain1 | hi |
| 13:55.14 | rain1 | i stopped using debian because it broke itself when i updated |
| 13:55.25 | rain1 | I am just wondering why this happens? is this a known thing? |
| 13:55.41 | rain1 | i don't do anything weird with debian I think, just apt-get upgrade and update every so often |
| 13:55.47 | rain1 | and then one day it doesn't boot |
| 13:55.51 | greycat | It's not normal. The most common cause is that you installed some third-party packages, or you used backports and forgot to remove those before upgrading. |
| 13:56.09 | rain1 | is it likely that I installed backports without knowing it? I'm not sure what the term means |
| 13:56.37 | greycat | !backports |
| 13:56.37 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 13:57.18 | flayer | debian updates have only ever bungled my system when i was using testing/unstable |
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| 14:07.47 | gorby | jelly:ratrace - back on my syslog problem. Sadly the dash wasnt the culprate. I added a template as per the man to show me facility for the messages. They are user ones. Gonna try to change the rule to regex now and see if that helps. |
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| 14:10.59 | Soni | who is matthew@debian.org? |
| 14:11.46 | greycat | grep matthew /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 14:12.43 | Soni | is matthew@debian.org on this IRC? |
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| 14:13.22 | greycat | the odds are against it |
| 14:14.15 | jelly | Soni, why do you ask? |
| 14:14.23 | RoyK | ,v ansible |
| 14:14.24 | judd | Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; buster-backports: 2.9.6+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.9.13+dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.13+dfsg-1 |
| 14:14.34 | jelly | (i also have no idea who uses that account) |
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| 14:17.06 | Soni | so we can advertise our software/service as we feel it would help them solve problems |
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| 14:20.04 | Soni | we could email them but we don't wanna end up in a spam filter or some list |
| 14:21.12 | greycat | So you don't know who they are, yet you claim you can help them, by selling them something, and yet you don't want to contact them directly because they might catch on to the fact that you're trying to sell them something... |
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| 14:21.29 | jelly | Soni, what kind of problems and is your solution open source |
| 14:21.57 | jelly | to keep it at least barely ontopic |
| 14:22.56 | Soni | problems inherent to maintaining software from other maintainers, and yes it is |
| 14:23.22 | jelly | in any case, freenode is not the place where most of debian devs chat, try irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net |
| 14:24.21 | jelly | you're too vague and secretive for me to be comfortable in helping you find info about a DD |
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| 14:25.36 | RoyK | jelly: erm - this channel is more populated than the one on oftc. is there a reason to have two separate ones? |
| 14:26.11 | greycat | Yes, there is a reason. You just won't like it. |
| 14:27.00 | jelly | that's accurate |
| 14:27.41 | jelly | RoyK, other, more specific #debian-* and #debian* subproject channels are 99% on OFTC |
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| 14:28.07 | jelly | this end user-oriented one on freenode is an anomaly that failed to move |
| 14:28.20 | jelly | back when all^Wmost the others moved |
| 14:28.20 | greycat | (The main reason is, almost all of the Debian developers decided to move to that network, and almost all of the Debian users decided to stay here.) |
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| 14:29.09 | udet | nrpc.hNetrServerReqChallenge(rpc_con, dc_handle + '\x00', target_computer + '\x00', b'\x00' * 8) |
| 14:29.09 | udet | server_auth = nrpc.hNetrServerAuthenticate3( |
| 14:29.09 | udet | rpc_con, dc_handle + '\x00', target_computer + '$\x00', nrpc.NETLOGON_SECURE_CHANNEL_TYPE.ServerSecureChannel, |
| 14:29.09 | udet | target_computer + '\x00', b'\x00' * 8, 0x212fffff |
| 14:29.12 | udet | EPIC FAIL |
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| 14:29.33 | udet | really, because of four lines? |
| 14:29.41 | greycat | five lines, counting "EPIC FAIL" |
| 14:29.43 | RoyK | seems like the epic fail was flooding ;) |
| 14:29.51 | udet | *lol* |
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| 14:30.08 | udet | well still, that 4 lines are unbelivable... |
| 14:30.25 | RoyK | just use a pastebin (not dot com), please |
| 14:30.25 | greycat | I'm not even sure what language that is. Python? |
| 14:30.28 | udet | could that be more descriptive when it comes to microsofts code quality? |
| 14:31.15 | greycat | does it have anything to do with Debian? |
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| 14:32.34 | udet | yes, it is one of the best reasons to prefer debian or at least linux |
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| 14:32.56 | lchgryyttyrthb | hell |
| 14:33.03 | udet | thats python, and that code is everything neccessary to gain windows domain admin access |
| 14:33.16 | udet | the zerologonbug |
| 14:34.23 | udet | RoyK, I hoped that exploit would be even small enough to pass flooding checks :-D |
| 14:35.15 | udet | https://github.com/SecuraBV/CVE-2020-1472/blob/master/zerologon_tester.py << here you go with the full exploit's tester |
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| 14:39.13 | lchgryyttyrthb | hello |
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| 14:39.57 | lchgryyttyrthb | anyone there |
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| 14:40.24 | gorby | Still no dice - changed the filter format to the ones you guys are useing (its also the same as in the man). Tried with msg and regex - gdm-x-session still goes in messages >.< |
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| 14:40.47 | gorby | Updated my working filters to use this template format too, they work fine. |
| 14:41.26 | gorby | filter* |
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| 14:43.22 | gorby | Jelly / ratrace: Ill post a line from messages that uses the new template from gdm-x-session if thats helpful. |
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| 14:50.44 | gorby | I leanred how to use syslog templates anyway, which is nice :P Perhaps Ill just remove GDM... im useing i3 wm on this desktop now anyway. |
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| 14:59.58 | dka | I did run `curl https://packages.microsoft.com/keys/microsoft.asc | sudo apt-key add -` by mistake on debian (instead of ubuntu), how can I revert it? |
| 15:01.16 | met | dka, man apt-key; find out the key id, then: apt-key del <keyid> |
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| 15:01.55 | sponix2ipfw | dka: if it is just the key like you show, and not even the source portion added -- It shouldn't matter at all |
| 15:03.57 | dka | I am trying to install https://github.com/dbcli/mssql-cli/blob/master/doc/installation/linux.md#debian-9 in debian but when I do sudo apt-get install -f I get : '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 26 not upgraded.' and when I do apt-get install mssql-cli I have https://termbin.com/q0g68 , any clue how to fix? |
| 15:05.29 | moldy | dka: are you using debian 9? |
| 15:05.44 | dka | Is Buster 9? |
| 15:05.50 | greycat | no, buster is 10 |
| 15:06.00 | dka | Then I use 10, I am trying to install the cli with pip |
| 15:06.03 | greycat | when in doubt, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:06.11 | moldy | so that's probably your problem, that package doesn't support debian 10 |
| 15:06.19 | dka | well I can install it with pip |
| 15:06.27 | moldy | possibly |
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| 15:11.18 | somiaj | dka: you can also manually delete the key in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 15:12.41 | somiaj | dka: as for installing with pip, I suggest you create a pythong virtual enviorment and use pip to install inside the virtual enviorment vs the main system (this can prevent conflicts with system stuff) |
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| 15:18.00 | dob1 | what is the reason for having on debian firefox-esr and not last firefox? chromium is up to date if I am not wrong |
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| 15:18.10 | greycat | Stability. |
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| 15:19.27 | S4NDM4NN | You can install the latest firefox if you really need it, but a lot of people are using debian on production devices. They do not want things changing on a whim. |
| 15:19.51 | dob1 | ok why chromium is considered stable and firefox not? |
| 15:20.15 | greycat | ,,,,,,,sdfhksdhfsjkdf |
| 15:20.18 | greycat | !stable |
| 15:20.18 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 15:20.20 | moldy | probably because chromium has no ESR |
| 15:20.31 | sponix2ipfw | somiaj: linode and linuxconfig websites have different instructions on doing this: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-set-up-a-python-virtual-environment-on-debian-10-buster https://www.linode.com/docs/development/python/create-a-python-virtualenv-on-debian-10/ |
| 15:20.38 | greycat | IN THE DEBIAN UNIVERSE, THE WORD STABLE MEANS "DOES NOT CHANGE". It does not mean "doesn't crash". |
| 15:21.01 | Haohmaru | ragecat ;P~ |
| 15:21.05 | somiaj | dob1: firefox provides an esr release, and firefox-esr is more on in the lines of what debian calls stable than firefox, so debian ships the firefox-esr branch (which is fully supported by moizlla) |
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| 15:21.45 | somiaj | sponix2ipfw: there are lots of different ways, which one you use is kinda up to you, though I think virtualenv from python-virtualenv (python2) or python3-virtualenv is the one with the most features and most widely used. |
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| 15:22.20 | sponix2ipfw | somiaj: I figured I would go with the linode method just because it looked easier :) |
| 15:22.32 | sponix2ipfw | few less commands |
| 15:23.45 | somiaj | sponix2ipfw: and that is the one that uses virtualenv. Python every few years seemed to get another tool that creates virtual enviroments. |
| 15:23.54 | somiaj | so yea, there is a lot of info and multiple ways out there. |
| 15:24.18 | somiaj | the main thing is they all will create an enviorment that your user can run pip (not root) and be independent of your system so stuff installed by pip won't conflict with system stuff |
| 15:24.20 | moldy | there are just two tools to create virtual environments to my knowledge, and then a bunch of wrappers around them |
| 15:24.37 | moldy | the extra package virtualenv and venv which is built into python 3 |
| 15:25.08 | moldy | virtualenv can do a few things that venv can't, but chances are you don't need them and will be happy with venv |
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| 15:39.54 | kristijonas | Hello, guys, I |
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| 15:40.11 | kristijonas | I need some help with running java (jar) files |
| 15:40.28 | kristijonas | basically, i need to run this: https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/DSS/webapp-demo/sign-a-document |
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| 15:46.24 | kristijonas | https://paste.debian.net/1164074/ do I do it the right way? |
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| 15:48.06 | petn-randall | kristijonas: That usually is the right way. However, I couldn't find a minimal Java version, or if it needs any other dependencies. |
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| 15:56.32 | kristijonas | petn-randall, alright, thanks anyways. |
| 15:57.49 | petn-randall | kristijonas: The github repo doesn't have any info on it, either. Your best bet is to try different (newer) java versions, and if that fails, trying the other signing solutions. |
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| 15:59.19 | oxek | dob1: chromium is not up-to-date either |
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| 16:01.09 | kristijonas | petn-randall, trying to get all these different formats that are legally binding in EU. The problem is that the EU law regulates recognition of e-signatures, not that much of pressures on countries to create solutions to sign documents. So I was recommended to use this tool. |
| 16:01.09 | sponix2ipfw | easiest method is to just use Chrome from the google website instead of chromium. _unless_ you have a specific reason not to do that :) |
| 16:03.06 | krumelmonster | I got tired of out-of-sync smb passwords so I created /etc/pam.d/force-smb-passwords containing "auth sufficient pam_exec.so expose_authtok /usr/local/bin/smbpasswd.sh" and /usr/local/bin/smbpasswd.sh to call smbpasswd if "$PAM_USER" is in a certain group. I tested using `sudo login` and then logging in that way but /usr/local/bin/smbpasswd.sh isn't even excecuted :( |
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| 16:06.14 | netcrash | Hello, anyway I can simulate vlan connections on a host? I've declared the interface as "auto vlan232 \n iface vlan232 ...\n ... \n vlan_raw_device eth0 \n vlan 232\n" |
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| 16:09.11 | zarickan | /NETWORK/help |
| 16:09.32 | zarickan | Whoops |
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| 16:10.17 | zarickan | Is it just me or is xfce-look.org really slow? |
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| 16:16.16 | krumelmonster | This is funny: https://jenda.hrach.eu/w/pam-exec |
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| 16:16.49 | krumelmonster | But that line in my pam config doesn't seem to do anything either |
| 16:16.55 | sponix2ipfw | zarickan: it is the site - not you |
| 16:17.20 | krumelmonster | Do I have to reboot or run some command for changes in /etc/pam.d to take effect? |
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| 16:20.28 | netcrash | krumelmonster: what did you change? Usually no. |
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| 16:21.36 | krumelmonster | As I wrote above, I created /etc/pam.d/force-smb-passwords containing something like "auth sufficient pam_exec.so expose_authtok /usr/local/bin/smbpasswd.sh" |
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| 16:22.45 | krumelmonster | I even tried like "auth sufficient pam_exec.so expose_authtok quiet seteuid touch /tmp/touch" but logging in won't create the file :( |
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| 16:24.21 | netcrash | not sure how pam_exec.so works , recommend you to check on that and increase verbosity logging. |
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| 16:29.34 | hodapp | When a dependency is listed as "or", like in https://packages.debian.org/sid/va-driver-all where it has i965-va-driver-shaders and intel-media-va-driver-non-free - both of which must have non-free enabled - how does apt decide what takes priority? |
| 16:30.45 | krumelmonster | it worked by adding that line to common-auth although I think this is not how it's supposed to be done. There doesn't really seem to be any debian documentation on how to configure pam. |
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| 16:33.46 | sney | hodapp: if neither package is installed, apt will try to install the first one listed. see the Depends field here and chapter 5 of debian policy https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/libv/libva/control-2.9.0-1 |
| 16:34.24 | hodapp | sney: thanks. |
| 16:34.27 | sney | np |
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| 17:32.19 | oxek | what are these messages for "Mode #debian [+l 1163] by debhelper" |
| 17:32.24 | oxek | why does debhelper do that? |
| 17:32.46 | greycat | join flood protection |
| 17:33.03 | oxek | has that been a real issue in the past? |
| 17:33.15 | greycat | Obviously, or it wouldn't have been set up. |
| 17:33.36 | oxek | ok, thank you |
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| 18:16.55 | ax562 | Morning! |
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| 19:08.26 | neilthereildeil | hi, how can i find the list of services set to automatically start on boot? |
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| 20:01.05 | jhutchins | Ok, I suppose someone can be forgiven for giving up after an hour. |
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| 20:31.39 | x000 | who uses debian |
| 20:32.38 | S4NDM4NN | x000, that is an interesting question to ask in a debian channel |
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| 20:36.09 | sney | if we assume this is close enough to the total debian installs globally, something like 200k people around the world. https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=dpkg |
| 20:36.34 | sney | some people manage more than one system, and some people don't opt in to popcon, but it's still probably in this range. |
| 20:37.01 | greycat | popcon is NOT any kind of indication of total global numbers. It's a self-selected sample. |
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| 20:38.16 | sney | it's a close enough vague answer for something that probably wasn't the real question. |
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| 20:39.23 | greycat | !why debian |
| 20:39.23 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 20:39.29 | greycat | I think *that* was closer to what they meant. |
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| 20:44.44 | neilthereildeil | how can i list the services that are set to auto start on boot? |
| 20:45.12 | greycat | "systemctl list-units" will give you that and more |
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| 20:46.08 | neilthereildeil | what value and in what column tells me its autostart? |
| 20:46.18 | greycat | systemctl list-units --type=service |
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| 20:46.48 | S4NDM4NN | I think systemctl list-unit-files --state=enabled might also be helpful |
| 20:46.52 | Xelraa | feels some shitd remains |
| 20:46.57 | neilthereildeil | "loaded active running" |
| 20:47.02 | neilthereildeil | what does that mean? |
| 20:47.52 | neilthereildeil | does that mean its set to autostart on boot? |
| 20:47.53 | Xelraa | hmm my ban took a while to be lifeted but you know what they say good things come to those who wait :) |
| 20:48.26 | Xelraa | so will it to pottering when we burn his house down with him in it and kill this fucking shitd cancerd piece of maggot fuck |
| 20:48.47 | Xelraa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.47 | Xelraa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.48 | Xelraa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.49 | Xelraa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.02 | greycat | well ok, then, saves me having to @ up |
| 20:49.06 | sney | lol |
| 20:49.27 | sney | they indicated they were banned before, so it might still be a good idea. |
| 20:49.30 | neilthereildeil | how do i tell if something is set to autostart? |
| 20:49.37 | neilthereildeil | "loaded active running" is what i see |
| 20:49.40 | greycat | because you remember starting it yourself? |
| 20:49.42 | neilthereildeil | when i ran that command |
| 20:49.47 | neilthereildeil | yea i started it manually |
| 20:50.02 | neilthereildeil | btw this is smbd |
| 20:50.09 | greycat | if it's something you started manually, then you subtract it from that list |
| 20:50.22 | greycat | what's your REAL question? |
| 20:50.49 | neilthereildeil | how can i know is a service will start when i reboot my machine? |
| 20:51.36 | greycat | if it's ONE service in particular, you run "systemctl status NAME" and see whether it is enabled or disabled |
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| 20:52.07 | shla | https://wiki.debian.org/ returning Forbidden. Is this intentional? |
| 20:52.15 | greycat | e.g. "systemctl status ssh" gives me "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service; enabled; vendor preset: enab" which says "enabled", so that one will start on its own |
| 20:52.20 | greycat | !wiki 403 |
| 20:52.35 | greycat | !wiki403 |
| 20:52.35 | dpkg | If your IP address is blocked from the Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See also <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/FAQ>. |
| 20:53.31 | shla | "Also see wiki page" yeah right |
| 20:54.07 | shla | can't be that my IP is banned, probably entire ISP range |
| 20:54.21 | greycat | IT IS ALL WE HAVE |
| 20:54.26 | shla | thanks |
| 20:54.31 | greycat | IT IS THE ONLY AUTHOTIRY I CAN POINT YOU TO |
| 20:54.47 | sney | they respond to the emails pretty quickly. some ip ranges get banned due to spam shenanigans. iirc it's more often vpn endpoints than an isp |
| 20:54.50 | alex11 | can you use tor, not sure if debian blocks that for the wiki |
| 20:55.02 | greycat | I should just fucking ignore people who bitch about the wiki because it ALWAYS fucking leads to this. |
| 20:55.05 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:55.15 | shla | alex11, yeah, i'll tunnel myself via non-blacklisted ip |
| 20:55.23 | sney | relax dude it's not a personal attack. |
| 20:55.50 | sney | and you have to admit it *is* odd to link to a wiki in a factoid specifically for people who can't see the wiki. |
| 20:56.03 | greycat | ... |
| 20:56.10 | greycat | what the fuck do you WANT ME TO DO |
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| 20:56.21 | sney | step 1: probably take a big chill pill |
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| 20:56.54 | sney | and when people point that out, admit that it's funny, and redirect them to the first part of the factoid. |
| 20:57.00 | oxek | shla: I have the same problem |
| 20:57.04 | jelly | http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/FAQ |
| 20:57.21 | oxek | I too use tor or webarchive to get around the debian wiki ban |
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| 21:27.21 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Is zswap worth enabling? |
| 21:28.21 | sney | probably depends on your use case |
| 21:29.06 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Thinking of using zswap on the VM servers which already use a physical swap partition. |
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| 21:33.54 | jelly | if your VMs have a workload that requires more RAM, give them... more RAM |
| 21:34.16 | greycat | or smaller workloads per machine |
| 21:35.17 | jelly | zswap (more predictable latency) or zram+swap (better compression/savings) may help if you can't give more RAM, but that's usually on physical machines |
| 21:36.48 | jelly | i would probably be pissed if users traded RAM for CPU use like that, without asking for more resources they actually need, first |
| 21:38.08 | nvz | yeah well, depends on if you're pissed off or pissed on |
| 21:38.14 | nvz | hides |
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| 21:38.34 | Aurora_v_kosmose | heh. In my case I own the physical host machines, but I can't really add ram to them. |
| 21:38.47 | Aurora_v_kosmose | (Mostly because there's no more available sockets) |
| 21:39.01 | Aurora_v_kosmose | *slots |
| 21:39.11 | nvz | are you using the max size per slot? |
| 21:39.16 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Yeah. |
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| 21:42.25 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I'm mostly considering zswap on host because dynamic guest ballooning has issues. |
| 21:43.29 | oxek | nvz: it's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on |
| 21:43.41 | oxek | or other way round, whatever floats your boat |
| 21:43.47 | Aurora_v_kosmose | (Actually adjusting the VMs to required RAM would require a static load-level) |
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| 21:46.00 | Aurora_v_kosmose | One would assume unused-but-assigned memory would compress fairly well. |
| 21:46.32 | nvz | oxek: thats what my father has always told me.. |
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| 22:16.41 | karlpinc | Any recommendations for wiki software? I usually use moinmoin, and occasionally mediawiki. Are there others that deserve attention? |
| 22:17.44 | sney | depends on what you're doing with it. I recently started using bookstack for personal stuff |
| 22:20.17 | Aurora_v_kosmose | ikiwiki had some nice features if you want something vcs-backed. |
| 22:20.32 | karlpinc | sney: Yes, it all depends. I'll look at bookstack. What I want is something simple limited to "local" users, but with a permission system just in case I need it for the future. |
| 22:20.36 | Aurora_v_kosmose | It also supports web-ui editing. |
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| 22:21.02 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Fossil could be used similarly, but quite visibly isn't intended for it. |
| 22:21.39 | karlpinc | Aurora_v_kosmose: Aren't all wiki's vcs-backed? |
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| 22:22.55 | sney | they have vcs-like behavior, at any rate |
| 22:23.16 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I suppose in a way they are, though in this case I meant git & svn. |
| 22:23.53 | karlpinc | Humm. I wonder what's good about that.... |
| 22:24.11 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Greatly facilitated deployment & backup. |
| 22:24.46 | sney | bookstack is what I went to when I was having trouble adjusting to git with a directory full of arbitrary text files. php and sql through a web interface, because writer brain doesn't want to do technical stuff |
| 22:25.51 | karlpinc | Humm. Bookstack does not seem to be packaged for debian.... |
| 22:28.14 | sney | it's a pretty straightforward php/mysql beast so you install nginx,mariadb,and php7 from debian, then throw bookstack into a webroot and go |
| 22:29.42 | sney | though the more I come to rely on it, the more I think I could ITP it. |
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| 22:32.18 | karlpinc | I think I'm going to avoid a "real db", unless it's sqlite. ikiwiki is looking kind of attractive. But I need to rtrm and see what sort of permission system it has. |
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| 22:34.58 | karlpinc | Although as a down-side ikiwiki seems to use google for its search box. |
| 22:35.15 | sney | I'd imagine that's switchable |
| 22:35.48 | karlpinc | I've a feeling there's plugins. The problem is finding them.... |
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| 22:37.08 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I'd probably just rewire the POST from google to duckduckgo |
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| 22:38.55 | karlpinc | The wiki won't be on the web at all. |
| 22:39.16 | somiaj | might also depend on if you want to use or build your own setup (and if you want web based ability to add pages). |
| 22:39.18 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah... that makes it more complicated. |
| 22:39.24 | karlpinc | The debian package does suggest libsearch-xapian-perl, but who knows.... |
| 22:39.36 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I only know xapian for mu. |
| 22:39.41 | somiaj | The last wiki I wrote just used jekyll and markdown |
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| 22:41.19 | karlpinc | And I'm not seeing anything that allows setting permissions on pages. |
| 22:45.01 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Hm, that's problematic. |
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| 22:45.11 | warsoul | after 8 hours without using pc when i turn monitor on |
| 22:45.24 | warsoul | mouse/keyboard not working |
| 22:45.30 | Aurora_v_kosmose | rip |
| 22:45.39 | warsoul | but F1-F9 works |
| 22:45.42 | warsoul | mouse moves |
| 22:45.54 | warsoul | when scroll down and up |
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| 22:45.58 | warsoul | it zooms in and out |
| 22:46.30 | sney | are your keyboard and mouse connected through a usb hub? |
| 22:46.57 | warsoul | yes |
| 22:47.17 | sney | are you also turning the hub off and on? |
| 22:47.27 | warsoul | no |
| 22:47.36 | warsoul | i leave my pc on |
| 22:47.43 | warsoul | just torn off/on my monitor |
| 22:47.46 | sney | nah, that would have been too easy. still it's probably the hub. |
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| 22:48.39 | warsoul | have to restart pc to solve problem |
| 22:48.40 | warsoul | :s |
| 22:48.53 | karlpinc | Yeah, there's a "search" plugin for ikiwiki. |
| 22:48.54 | Ede|Popede | scroll to zoom, isn't this using a modifier key usually? |
| 22:49.11 | Aurora_v_kosmose | USB low-power mode is managed by bios, right? |
| 22:51.05 | warsoul | how can i solve this problem? |
| 22:51.24 | Aurora_v_kosmose | warsoul: I would make another attempt with the devices connected directly, rather than through a hub. |
| 22:51.28 | sney | ^ |
| 22:51.43 | warsoul | is connected directly to the usb prot |
| 22:51.45 | warsoul | port |
| 22:51.46 | warsoul | sorry |
| 22:52.15 | Aurora_v_kosmose | No hub? |
| 22:52.29 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Do you get any error messages in your syslog? |
| 22:52.33 | sney | warsoul: do you think the monitor is involved somehow? or is that just how you know it's been a long time? |
| 22:53.03 | warsoul | because i leave to work at 7am and come back home at 5pm :p |
| 22:53.15 | warsoul | havent check syslog |
| 22:53.30 | Aurora_v_kosmose | It may be worth taking a look. |
| 22:53.43 | warsoul | ok |
| 22:53.47 | warsoul | where i check it |
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| 22:54.10 | sney | journalctl |
| 22:54.11 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I had a buggy KVM switch that occasionally crash & brought xorg right along for the ride because of a hardware interupt. |
| 22:54.30 | Aurora_v_kosmose | *crashed |
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| 22:54.47 | warsoul | how i check syslog |
| 22:55.01 | another | less /var/log/syslog |
| 22:55.19 | sney | but really, use journalctl because it aggregates multiple logs in one spot |
| 22:56.13 | Aurora_v_kosmose | You can probably use journalctl too, I'm just used to when syslog was still the standard thing. |
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| 22:59.07 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1164129/ |
| 23:00.10 | sney | nothing there really |
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| 23:00.27 | Aurora_v_kosmose | dmesg? |
| 23:00.29 | sney | might be something useful in the xorg log |
| 23:01.19 | somiaj | the keyboard is usb? Could you unplug it and back in, or does that not change anything? |
| 23:01.40 | warsoul | after i restart pc |
| 23:01.43 | warsoul | everything works normal |
| 23:03.48 | somiaj | I dind't say restart, I said unplug and replug back in the usb keyboard, that should trigger udev to reassign the keyboard. |
| 23:04.27 | warsoul | im going to try that when happen again |
| 23:05.22 | warsoul | right now is working normal |
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| 23:09.24 | Aurora_v_kosmose | warsoul: Any errors in dmesg? |
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| 23:14.09 | warsoul | how i check dmesg |
| 23:14.10 | warsoul | ? |
| 23:14.24 | Aurora_v_kosmose | sudo dmesg | less |
| 23:15.14 | warsoul | how i copy that to termbin |
| 23:16.10 | sney | pipe it there like anything else |
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| 23:16.30 | sney | without 'less' ofc since that's just for your local benefit |
| 23:16.50 | warsoul | cat dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 23:16.52 | warsoul | like that? |
| 23:17.01 | dvs | ... |
| 23:17.02 | sney | dmesg is a command, so you don't need to cat it. |
| 23:17.19 | sney | though maybe you should look at it yourself first, before asking us to check. most linux errors are human-readable. you might find a clue that helps you understand this better. |
| 23:18.07 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/90ad |
| 23:18.50 | another | dmesg -H |
| 23:21.12 | sney | gaming keyboard model names are so funny. ASUSTEK TUF |
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| 23:21.58 | dvs | TUF isn't just for keyboards but yeah |
| 23:22.01 | sney | but generally, this all looks pretty normal. with a 9th gen intel cpu, maybe? try a backports kernel? but that's more a guess than anything |
| 23:22.30 | sney | dvs: knowing asus they've used that brand for a lot of stuff, but in the context of this paste it's the keyboard |
| 23:23.15 | dvs | wants a tuft of motherboard |
| 23:23.55 | another | isn't that their "gaming" brand? |
| 23:24.37 | dvs | yup |
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| 23:26.32 | sney | gotta really pronounce the F in TUF. FFFFF |
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| 23:29.04 | somiaj | warsoul: we would probably need to see demsg from a previous boot that the keyboard stopped working to look for errors around that time. |
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| 23:42.21 | Whyvn | is it possible to use NewRequest to Post a form that was submited to the local server, to validate that info and then send the form data to a remote server? My main concern is being able to send the FormFile with the NewRequest. Can you construct a blank form dynamically with golang? similar to FormData? Should I just process the requst with javascript and make a new xhttp request? |
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| 23:42.58 | warsoul | somiaj ok i will do it when the error occurs again |
| 23:43.34 | somiaj | warsoul: you can't do it afeter you reboot, unless you enable persisant journaling then use journalctl |
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| 23:44.20 | warsoul | ok |
| 23:44.32 | warsoul | going to try opening a terminal |
| 23:44.35 | warsoul | when it occurs again |
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| 23:59.52 | nvz | if you're using X you may also want to check the xlog |
