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| 00:25.49 | mikeymop | hello, is it possible to extract one file from a .deb? |
| 00:26.00 | mikeymop | specifically, I want a pkg-config declaration |
| 00:28.23 | hassoon | mikeymop: sure, a .deb is after all an archive of files |
| 00:29.35 | Unit193 | dpkg-deb just has: -x, --extract archive directory |
| 00:30.17 | alex11 | ar x? |
| 00:30.53 | alex11 | apparently that's not per file... hmm |
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| 00:33.17 | themill | dpkg-deb's--fsys-tarfile option |
| 00:34.16 | mikeymop | ok so I was able to extract to a directory |
| 00:34.53 | mikeymop | oh so the stretch version has the .pc file but the buster one doesn't |
| 00:35.01 | mikeymop | is pkg-config not used anymore in the linux community? |
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| 00:42.04 | themill | pkg-config used quite a lot. Which package is this? |
| 00:42.31 | themill | (some things are moving to cmake recipes but it's not common to remove the pkg-config files) |
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| 00:51.31 | de-facto | need some help figuring out python dependencies |
| 00:51.46 | de-facto | I have a package requiring httplib |
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| 00:52.03 | de-facto | and requests |
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| 00:52.35 | de-facto | installing python3-httplib2 python-httplib2 python-requests does not seem to provide those |
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| 01:06.21 | somiaj | de-facto: is it python2 or python3? |
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| 01:07.29 | somiaj | oh looks like you installed both of them. Are you running this inside a python virtual enviorment? |
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| 01:09.17 | somiaj | de-facto: it appears that httplib and httplib2 are different, and that debian doesn't package httplib |
| 01:10.24 | de-facto | its limnoria (supybot) form debian repos and i try to get sigyn running on debian deps |
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| 01:10.32 | de-facto | would rather want to avoid pip if possible |
| 01:10.56 | de-facto | it says httplib but as you said it seems there is only httplib2 packaged |
| 01:11.07 | somiaj | so it is a package from the debian repo not being able to find its dependencies. What exact package and what repo? |
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| 01:14.55 | de-facto | limnoria package works, sigyn plugin is on github (not debian package) |
| 01:15.17 | de-facto | that sigyn impors httplib |
| 01:15.28 | de-facto | *imports |
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| 01:15.55 | de-facto | so i need a Debian package to provide httplib |
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| 01:17.42 | somiaj | no debian package provides that, you can ould make your own |
| 01:17.54 | somiaj | but it appears debian only ships httplib2 |
| 01:17.57 | somiaj | not httplib |
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| 01:18.34 | de-facto | yeah ok |
| 01:19.24 | somiaj | you could also use python's virtualenv and make your own python virtual enviroment you could safely install stuff in independent of your system with pip |
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| 01:28.26 | themill | de-facto: I can't see sigyn importing httplib btw |
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| 01:29.20 | themill | it uses http.client which is in stdlib |
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| 01:29.22 | de-facto | themill, https://github.com/freenode/Sigyn/blob/1.0.2/plugin.py#L41 |
| 01:29.36 | de-facto | yeah thats master |
| 01:29.40 | de-facto | it requires requests |
| 01:29.53 | themill | python3-requests is a package |
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| 01:30.49 | themill | (I'd be using master not a 2½ year old release for this code) |
| 01:31.28 | de-facto | yes let me try master |
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| 01:32.37 | de-facto | hmm ok almost all deps except ftfy |
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| 01:33.52 | de-facto | https://github.com/freenode/Sigyn/blob/master/plugin.py#L60 |
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| 02:31.27 | de-facto | this here is damn cool, could build a deb from pipy pretty easy with it https://github.com/p1otr/pypi2deb/tree/2.20180804 |
| 02:32.21 | de-facto | so ftfy packaged and installed let me load latest sigyn master since deps are fully satisfied with Debian Buster pkgs |
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| 05:29.45 | kkopenfree | OK, I clicked the wrong window |
| 05:29.52 | gry | ok |
| 05:30.02 | na | Aside from installing the required packages, is there any special wrangling that needs to be done for 32-bit wine to find 32-bit libGL on a 64-bit system? |
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| 05:33.16 | na | Or, uh, any reason why the files listed by dpkg -L for a package I've got installed might be missing? |
| 05:33.40 | somiaj | na: what video driver are you using? |
| 05:34.51 | na | Planning on using the default intel ones, but it looks like my issue is actually user error. dpkg -L has told me why the file is missing, it got diverted :/ |
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| 06:42.44 | gry | kkopenfree: error: shutting down now |
| 06:43.00 | gry | kkopenfree: just pulling your leg, but I think the request from somiaj above might be reasonable |
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| 06:56.36 | th_ | id rather not install 300+ packages just for node, that's npms job |
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| 07:01.40 | nvz | as if the number of packages you have makes any difference at all |
| 07:02.53 | ksk | also you said, you want to run node :P |
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| 07:08.16 | th_ | seems absurd, npm handles all that stuff |
| 07:09.06 | ksk | th_: if you want to run node, there is one sane way, as far as I know it was kinda hidden in the docs... |
| 07:09.16 | ksk | like there is an upstream repo for debian or so, but not easy to find. |
| 07:09.39 | th_ | bullseye not supported at nodesource |
| 07:10.02 | Haohmaru | ksk <win98_magnifying_glass.ani> |
| 07:10.39 | ksk | " |
| 07:10.39 | ksk | NodeSource will maintain support for stable, testing and unstable releases of Debian, due to the long release cycle a considerable number of users are running unstable." |
| 07:10.44 | nvz | idk installing node only wants to install 4 packages for me and suggests a fifth, npm |
| 07:11.06 | Mathisen | !v libmysql-java |
| 07:11.08 | ksk | as far as I know node from the debian repos was kind of unusable (last time I tried) |
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| 07:11.13 | Mathisen | .v libmysql-java |
| 07:11.17 | ksk | try , ;) |
| 07:11.22 | Mathisen | ,v libmysql-java |
| 07:11.23 | judd | Package: libmysql-java on amd64 -- jessie: 5.1.42-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.1.49-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.1.49-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 5.1.49-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 5.1.49-0+deb9u1 |
| 07:11.33 | Mathisen | :) |
| 07:12.15 | ksk | th_: not the most entperprise thing you can do to run bullseye in the first place, but I would just naivly assume that you can install nodesource packages on it, if they say they support both stable and sid. |
| 07:13.26 | th_ | weird, maybe i had old packages? i removed them all, now reinstall it only shows node and npm |
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| 07:15.52 | th_ | actually its the npm install that wants to install 300 additional, not node itself |
| 07:17.22 | ksk | ,info npm |
| 07:17.24 | judd | Package npm (web, optional) in buster/amd64: package manager for Node.js. Version: 5.8.0+ds6-4+deb10u1; Size: 993.2k; Installed: 8445k; Homepage: https://docs.npmjs.com/ |
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| 07:18.09 | ksk | on an ubuntu box over here right now, but seems to me most of the dependencies start with "node-" - so its just the debian way of splitting "everything that is node" into single packages |
| 07:19.08 | nvz | imagine that.. a package manager written in javascript has a shitload of javascript dependencies |
| 07:19.14 | th_ | i think the nodesource repo is just two packages, node and npm, but not working on bullseye for me, i think i had to set to sid before, but it broke after a removal of a python package |
| 07:19.41 | nvz | so the real issue is you wanna run npm but without all the stuff required to make it work |
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| 07:20.16 | th_ | just want a minimal install |
| 07:20.51 | ksk | you either use the debian packages and get support here. Or use nodesource packages and wont get support ;) |
| 07:21.08 | nvz | for me its 250 package, 10MB download and 50MB disk space |
| 07:21.16 | nvz | so the only real issue is again, a number of packages |
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| 07:21.50 | nvz | I could fit that on my d*** ffs |
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| 07:22.02 | th_ | unpacking 300 debs vs. 1 deb?? which one would you prefer? |
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| 07:22.27 | nvz | I'd prefer you have an actual supportable issue :P |
| 07:22.43 | nvz | and if you are running bullseye you go to the appropriate channel |
| 07:22.54 | nvz | and this headache I got go away |
| 07:22.59 | nvz | I can whine too |
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| 07:24.09 | Haohmaru | systemctl headache.service stop |
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| 07:24.40 | nvz | goes to find some ibuprophen |
| 07:24.49 | Haohmaru | nvz but u need to be root ;P~ |
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| 07:29.06 | nvz | I'm beyond the point I can appreciate the joke.. this migraine is relentless |
| 07:30.18 | Haohmaru | :/ |
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| 07:30.53 | th_ | its the same 300 across all releases? |
| 07:31.20 | nvz | I already told you what it shows here on my buster server |
| 07:31.43 | nvz | its 250 packages, 10MB download, 50MB additional disk space used |
| 07:33.37 | nvz | I got like 1225 packages on here and the only reason I know that is cause I just checked cause your whining is tiring.. |
| 07:33.47 | nvz | my server works the same as it did before I counted the packages |
| 07:34.15 | nvz | and my headache is no different |
| 07:34.16 | nvz | :P |
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| 07:35.33 | nvz | if I wanted to run npm, I'd just install it.. 1225, 1575.. doesnt make a damn bit of difference to me |
| 07:36.10 | nvz | the fact of the matter is, I wouldnt have to maintain a single one of them |
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| 07:36.28 | nvz | if you want to, go build your own distro from source |
| 07:36.37 | ksk | good ol' "apt install *" |
| 07:36.44 | nvz | heh |
| 07:37.48 | nvz | I could install another 50MB of packages into a damn ramdisk and not feel it |
| 07:38.09 | th_ | i got over 5k packages installed on this system |
| 07:38.24 | th_ | at some point i will just start over |
| 07:39.30 | nvz | when you're so fat you can't fit through the door, going on a diet is just silly |
| 07:39.51 | nvz | at that point you don't need a diet, you need a bigger door |
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| 07:41.30 | Haohmaru | or a sub-way exit |
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| 07:43.55 | nvz | I dont even have 5000 packages on this workstation and I got two DEs installed, and countless extra crap |
| 07:44.11 | nvz | I got maybe 3500 or so packages on here |
| 07:44.54 | kats99 | I modified an entry in mysql.user table and I cannot login to the db. How do I login? |
| 07:44.55 | nvz | and I got a ton of python crap I install for random crazy ideas I get, and usually install it for both python2 and 3 even though I dont use both |
| 07:44.56 | Haohmaru | 2133 installed here |
| 07:46.08 | nvz | not to mention I install random crap when people ask questions.. I installed probably a dozen text editors I dont need the other day |
| 07:46.34 | nvz | just cause someone wanted one with a certain feature and I was comparing em |
| 07:47.13 | nvz | I easily got two or more of everything on here |
| 07:47.53 | nvz | and its only a 128GB ssd |
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| 07:48.19 | nvz | with 7 VMs for each of the Buster DE living on it too |
| 07:48.45 | nvz | occupying about 50GB |
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| 07:50.08 | nvz | I think this damn headache might actually be going away now after making me miserable all evening and night.. almost 4am and I might be able to sleep a bit |
| 07:51.02 | nvz | still hurts, but feels like its less intense |
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| 07:51.38 | Haohmaru | when my head hurts, i go to bed |
| 07:51.47 | Haohmaru | doesn't happen often |
| 07:52.00 | nvz | yeah.. tried that hours ago.. and I'm in bed now.. obviously not sleepin :P |
| 07:52.19 | diogenes_ | nvz, give up drinking coffee and you'll be fine. |
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| 07:52.23 | Haohmaru | don't b computing in bed bruh |
| 07:52.30 | Haohmaru | either sleep or get out of bed |
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| 07:52.46 | nvz | I maybe drank coffee once in my life |
| 07:53.00 | Haohmaru | i drink coffee erry day |
| 07:53.35 | nvz | I prefer milk :P |
| 07:54.20 | genr8_ | nvz, if you dont go back to #debian-offtopic ill give you a reason for a bigger headache |
| 07:54.35 | Haohmaru | hides |
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| 07:57.55 | dka | What else do I need to configure to wake on lan? Router OK, Host Bios Ok |
| 07:58.12 | dka | I still can't wake on lan my host, and what is the opposite to shutdown a computer with the network ? SOL? |
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| 07:59.24 | ksk | dka: that is something that is not possible.. |
| 08:00.22 | th_ | i did the binary archive install, v14 running good |
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| 08:00.40 | nvz | ksk: lies |
| 08:00.49 | Johann | dka: if the computer iis up, you can configure a service responsible to shutnig down computer if you need that. Make sure you consider security and authentication properly thtough |
| 08:01.59 | genr8_ | for SOL you are SOL. due to the above security implications. |
| 08:02.18 | dka | ok, so SSH shutdown would do it |
| 08:02.22 | dka | I know how to do it |
| 08:02.26 | nvz | dpkg, sol? |
| 08:02.26 | dpkg | somebody said sol was Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 08:02.29 | dka | What I don't know is how to WOL my host |
| 08:02.37 | dka | I tried etherwake and wol, both without success |
| 08:02.42 | dka | The router has wake on lan proxy enabled |
| 08:03.27 | nvz | is your host plugged in via ethernet to the same lan? |
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| 08:06.04 | genr8_ | never heard of a router WOL proxy. WOL is a layer 2 thing. routers are layer 3. thats just complicating things. |
| 08:06.23 | dka | nvz yes it is |
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| 08:06.36 | dka | genr8_, apparently it's very common |
| 08:06.36 | nvz | yeah in theory you could have a proxy on the same subnet wake it via some other means over a network |
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| 08:06.41 | genr8_ | all you need to do is send the wake on lan magic packet to the mac address of the host, and it should turn on. |
| 08:06.51 | dka | A router must be able to route the port 9 magic packet, it has to be implemented |
| 08:06.57 | nvz | provided the nic has a bios |
| 08:07.01 | nvz | and wol enabled |
| 08:07.05 | dka | genr8_, I followed the debian tutorial and I have eth0 with gol |
| 08:07.07 | genr8_ | ok so look into the proxy being broken. |
| 08:07.20 | dka | but the wakeonlan $mac does not start anything at all |
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| 08:07.37 | genr8_ | maybe your proxy ate it. |
| 08:07.37 | dka | the proxy can't be broken, it's manufactured by good and talented people |
| 08:07.47 | dka | It is known for being working |
| 08:07.55 | nvz | heh |
| 08:07.58 | genr8_ | more likely is you didnt configure it right |
| 08:08.04 | dka | yes that must be it |
| 08:08.06 | th_ | does it work for other hosts on the same router or is it all hosts |
| 08:08.09 | dka | it's my first wake on lan of my life |
| 08:08.26 | genr8_ | you dont need the router proxy if they're all on the same subnet |
| 08:08.35 | dka | apparently it's required |
| 08:09.00 | nvz | nor do you need any software other than the client to send the packet.. its a hardware feature |
| 08:09.01 | genr8_ | required for what |
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| 08:09.06 | nvz | its built into the bios on the nic |
| 08:09.17 | nvz | all you need is the nic's mac address |
| 08:09.27 | dka | What can I show you on the client that would assert WOL being enabled on that host? |
| 08:09.49 | genr8_ | uh |
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| 08:11.30 | genr8_ | start over. you have 2 computers right ? Client A turns on Computer B |
| 08:11.53 | dka | yes I do, yes client A does send the magic package |
| 08:11.57 | dka | nothing wol |
| 08:11.59 | genr8_ | are they both linux ? |
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| 08:12.08 | dka | debian buster |
| 08:12.32 | genr8_ | # ethtool ens3 <-- should report WOL enabled |
| 08:12.34 | dka | This is the tutorial I have followed: https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan I had to enable in Computer B the WOL first |
| 08:12.46 | dka | ethtool ens3 from A or from B? |
| 08:12.52 | dka | and ens3 is the interface name of A or B? |
| 08:12.53 | genr8_ | B... |
| 08:13.07 | dka | But for waking up B as well ? |
| 08:13.20 | genr8_ | well it has to be on to run the command... |
| 08:13.25 | dka | I can't run ethtool from B to wake up B because it's down |
| 08:13.37 | dka | I can't run command on computer that are powered off |
| 08:13.41 | genr8_ | you asked what can you run to verify its on. |
| 08:13.43 | genr8_ | so turn it on. |
| 08:13.56 | dka | I can try to turn it on from A but not from B |
| 08:14.02 | dka | I am trying to know the proper command |
| 08:14.03 | genr8_ | go push the button. |
| 08:14.08 | genr8_ | run the command. verify its on. |
| 08:14.18 | dka | ethtool ens3 from A with ens3 being iface of A using mac of B |
| 08:14.24 | dka | Ok |
| 08:14.39 | dka | it's on |
| 08:14.55 | genr8_ | starting to have serious doubts about getting involved |
| 08:15.30 | genr8_ | the tutorial you linked says all of this. |
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| 08:15.53 | dka | https://termbin.com/ir3k => /etc/networks |
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| 08:16.04 | dka | https://termbin.com/5oom => sudo ethtool enp2s0 |
| 08:16.30 | dka | As you can see, I have `Wake-on: g` on the second command, meaning the ethernet listen for magic package (WOL) |
| 08:16.39 | genr8_ | yes. so youve just verified its on. |
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| 08:16.45 | dka | As stated by the reliable debian doc |
| 08:17.06 | dka | This is done by adding ethernet-wol g to my /etc/networks WOL iface |
| 08:17.36 | genr8_ | so now run shutdown -h and sending the magic packet from client A should work. |
| 08:18.06 | genr8_ | if it doesnt work, disable the router proxy. because I think youve broken the process by trying to use that when its not needed. |
| 08:18.10 | dka | This prove the mac address https://termbin.com/goaw5 |
| 08:18.26 | dka | I expected to run `wakeonlan 70:8b:cd:a4:96:ec` from host A to enable host B |
| 08:18.39 | dka | nothing happen, hopefull debian share another command to do that ethwake |
| 08:18.57 | dka | etherwake <mac address> |
| 08:19.24 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.44 | dka | wakeonlan 70:8b:cd:a4:96:ec => Sending magic packet to 255.255.255.255:9 with 70:8b:cd:a4:96:ec => nothing start up when the host B is down |
| 08:20.03 | dka | I believe the etherwake command needs to set the local interface used to send the package so I also did from host A |
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| 08:20.23 | genr8_ | if it doesnt work, disable the router proxy. because I think youve broken the process by trying to use that when its not needed. |
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| 08:21.31 | ksk | cut out the router totally for testing, use direct connection between the hosts. |
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| 08:26.09 | genr8_ | this is some kind of networking issue at this point. I have a theory. check the ARP table on A, see if B is in it. |
| 08:28.35 | genr8_ | if not, theres some kind of arp/broadcast issue, and the magic packet either got lost/went nowhere, after it left A. and it doesnt even reach B. |
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| 08:30.12 | genr8_ | this is a "Contact your Network Administrator" moments. followed by "wait thats me." followed by "i actually have no idea how to set up this network". HALPPPPPPPP #debian |
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| 08:31.34 | jelly | dka, are the ethernet port lights blinking or alight when machine B is powered down? |
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| 08:33.10 | dka | yes they are |
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| 08:35.16 | genr8_ | run: "sudo arp -a" on A, and check if B is in it. |
| 08:35.45 | dka | https://termbin.com/a8yc |
| 08:35.49 | dka | it does not look to be in it |
| 08:35.57 | dka | what does this command do? |
| 08:36.05 | genr8_ | prints the ARP table |
| 08:36.32 | genr8_ | the output from B said its IP was 192.168.1.101 |
| 08:36.41 | genr8_ | that arp output shows no such subnet |
| 08:36.58 | genr8_ | thats why its not getting through. theyre NOT on the same subnet. |
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| 08:37.42 | genr8_ | If they're not on the same subnet, youve just made the layer 3 router proxy become required. And setting that up is outside my domain of expertise |
| 08:38.35 | genr8_ | if its not on the same subnet, the packet has to be specifically routed. and thats a whole other story |
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| 08:46.13 | genr8_ | its only simple if its on the same subnet. and its not. now its complicated. contact the good and talented people who make the WOL router proxy software. ask them how to set that up. |
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| 08:48.11 | dka | genr8_, I have installed now both host on the same subnet |
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| 08:51.04 | genr8_ | then it should go back to being simple |
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| 08:54.03 | genr8_ | dka, I have additional helpful info. I found out with "etherwake" command you HAVE to use the "-i enp2s0" parameter to specify the interface. |
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| 08:58.42 | genr8_ | maybe you wanna read "man wakeonlan" also. You can send the packet to a different broadcast address (either a different subnet that the router knows how to route to, or the router directly) $ wakeonlan -i 192.168.1.255 01:02:03:04:05:06 |
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| 08:59.29 | genr8_ | in this case for "wakeonlan" command , "-i" = IP address. for "etherwake", "-i" = interface. |
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| 09:05.21 | dka | I am trying to send with ethtool |
| 09:05.31 | dka | and I use -i eth0 which is the 192.168.1.0 subnet |
| 09:06.09 | dka | Oh |
| 09:06.13 | genr8_ | i thought debian stopped using eth0 as a name. |
| 09:06.26 | dka | the machine that needs to trigger the WOL is a Synology NAS |
| 09:06.35 | dka | I am connected to it in SSH and it seems that there is no etherwake nor wakeonlan installed |
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| 09:07.17 | genr8_ | what do you mean trigger. you mean you're trying to Wake the NAS ? |
| 09:07.38 | dka | wake on lan work locally on the same subnet now |
| 09:07.48 | dka | but I wanted to start up the computer B from outside |
| 09:08.04 | dka | Using any WIFI with internet, I mean distant start up, not required to be in the same LAN |
| 09:08.35 | genr8_ | well at least the simple case works. but now youve complicated things further by wanting it from outside. |
| 09:08.57 | dka | genr8_, by trigger I mean, when my NAS start, it should also try to start HOST B, when the NAS stop, it should also try to shutdown HOST B, I already did that one using an ssh command, but I can't start up because wakeonlan and etherwake are not installed on the NAS |
| 09:09.19 | dka | yes I need to be able, in case of hard failure scenario to be able to try to start up |
| 09:09.29 | genr8_ | i advise you to SSH into the network, and wake it locally. |
| 09:09.38 | genr8_ | otherwise take up WOL support with synology |
| 09:10.16 | genr8_ | theres a chance you can put the "wakeonlan" script on the synology, if it has Perl installed. its just a perl script that opens sockets |
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| 09:10.53 | dka | I run a bash script to shutdown with ssh from the NAS, using a trigger script |
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| 09:11.40 | dka | I want 1) to create a trigger script to WOL, when it start ip, 2) to trigger a start up WOL from outside manually , also there's no other HOST than the nas where I can ssh into , so it still must have etherwake or wakeonlan installed |
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| 09:12.15 | genr8_ | investigate elsewhere how to get WOL program installed on the synology. |
| 09:12.23 | genr8_ | its not debian support anymore |
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| 09:13.20 | dka | I think I got it data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAABJoAAAJ8CAYAAAC2pMsjAAAgAElEQVR4nOy9eXwU54Hn3fvO7uy7+8lsZud9Nxkndi4ndkwwNvjcmdnJZGZ23uwktklwbMwNJpnER8zEJ2OH8YG5DAKDuMzhC2MbsHWAOQRGSEggJMQhJHTfal2t1n1fv/ePvursqmrV0d36fT+f7wf6qaqnnqo+VP3r53nKVfq5C+d3u3Dlg6/hD8tfo5RSSimllFJKKaU0Il2VKb6g6fwel+ONoZRSSimllFJKKaWxq6sq1YWC/S6kbXKhsq6JUkoppZRSSimllNKIdFUkuXDtExey3nGhur6ZUkoppZRSSimllNKIdO048Atc+diF83tdqGlooZRSSimllFJKKaU0Il03vd+IH+85jO3 |
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| 09:13.37 | dka | /enA5Orp6DbnoeAsWnWjBomMtvv8HHgfKhP+eaMGilCYs2luL0romFFU14EJRJbIKypBbWIaSmkaU1zeLNNoeSimllFIame7mNhxJy8SRtEyUV9WrrnelqDy4nrA8UHalqFz0OFBXeVW9bLvzFwtwJC0T5y8WKLbD3dxmaL9q2yqtL1VpnUC7lNqudXzCx0qWV9Xrai+llFIaa7ruXbwD0+cmYNrDb6Kzu9eQwWBJ+G+aX+mytBYsSm3ConfrUNnQgor6ZpTVNeF6ZS3qW71wt3pRWl2PyoaWoEbbQymllFJKI/fLrFwcOZmJ8/kFsmUV1fVBj5zMxJGTmWhsaQsuD5RVVNcrPhZuF9jmfH6BbH+NLW2K9evZr9q2QgPLr14vV1yu1E6lMq3j09MWPetQSimlsabr3sU7MGPuRkydtRJdPX2GXHSiFYvSWn3/B |
| 09:13.46 | genr8_ | Somehow I dont think thats it :/ |
| 09:16.02 | Haohmaru | bruh.. |
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| 09:18.05 | epsilon | someone motivated to open that img and tell what's inside? |
| 09:18.56 | Haohmaru | i bet it's incomplete |
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| 09:20.11 | alex11 | tl;dr |
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| 09:23.20 | th_ | i used wol once in my life, just to test it, then disabled it |
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| 09:27.42 | ksk | dafuq. stop that please. |
| 09:27.49 | th_ | png is only good for icons |
| 09:28.10 | alex11 | this is irc, we do not understand your graphical stuff |
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| 09:38.57 | oxek | Which one do I put in my ~/.xsession to have xfce4 as the default session: startxfce4 or xfce4-session? |
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| 09:39.38 | genr8_ | i dont think thats how it works |
| 09:40.01 | Unit193 | startxfce4 in ~/.xinitrc perhaps? :) |
| 09:40.23 | alex11 | i think xfce4 uses startxfce4, but yeah, probably .xinitrc, different unixes handle it differently |
| 09:40.41 | Unit193 | I have '. /etc/X11/Xsession' right before it, though. |
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| 09:41.46 | oxek | somehow, using ~/.xsession works |
| 09:42.31 | somiaj | dka: please stop pasting data into the channel |
| 09:42.43 | oxek | if that file does not exist, gnome3 starts. If it exists and contains startxfce4 or xfce4-session, then xfce starts |
| 09:42.52 | somiaj | dka: use a pastebin if you need to share such things |
| 09:43.11 | genr8_ | on my system, /etc/X11/Xsession is a script that sources /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and then 55xfce4-session is in that dir, which takes /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager which points to /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
| 09:43.15 | oxek | I don't want to use 'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' because that would change it for all users |
| 09:43.42 | oxek | genr8_: that looks like I should be using startxfce4 instead of xfce4-session then |
| 09:44.12 | alex11 | IIRC debian is special vs other distros in how it handles .xsession vs .xinitrc |
| 09:44.17 | alex11 | i don't remember the differences, though |
| 09:44.24 | genr8_ | perhaps. the script seems to have provisions for both, in the next line that adds /usr/share/xfce4 to the $XDG_DATA_DIRS variable |
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| 09:45.48 | jelly | dka, WoL only works on the same network segment, so yeah you need to do it from a running machine residing on the same network |
| 09:46.26 | jelly | avoid pasting pictures into irc tho :-) |
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| 09:47.22 | oxek | my guess is that debian executes /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 09:47.50 | oxek | and in my case /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager points to startxfce4, so that's what I should be using |
| 09:48.08 | oxek | the manpages of startxfce4 and xfce4-session are not helpful |
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| 09:50.22 | genr8_ | i would pick one, probably startxfce4, and write down what you did. if something goes wrong, you dont wanna forget what custom config you did |
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| 09:50.46 | alex11 | or just use a display manager like sane people :P |
| 09:51.01 | genr8_ | that would make too much sense |
| 09:51.02 | oxek | alex11: I am using a display manager |
| 09:51.08 | oxek | and it starts gnome by default |
| 09:51.10 | oxek | which I don't want |
| 09:52.04 | oxek | hence using ~/.xsession, which works, but I don't know the syntax or the proper command to run in it, hence testing startxfce4 and xfce4-session and wondering which is better |
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| 09:56.31 | dka | sorry aboutthis |
| 09:56.47 | dka | where can I add curl (when network is ready) command at debian buster boot ? |
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| 09:57.36 | genr8_ | systemD |
| 09:58.23 | dka | something like /etc/rc.oocal |
| 09:58.35 | dka | there's no hook possible ? |
| 09:59.00 | genr8_ | rc.d init scripts were too simple for debian, they picked systemD complex behemoth system instead. |
| 09:59.06 | ksk | dka: systemd is the 2020 way of doing such things. |
| 09:59.10 | genr8_ | gl with that... |
| 09:59.33 | jelly | dka, how do you bring network up? |
| 09:59.43 | dka | with /etc/networks |
| 10:00.01 | jelly | dka, then just add a post-up line calling your command in the relevant stanza |
| 10:00.28 | genr8_ | yes that sounds like a good idea. a post-up script |
| 10:00.39 | dka | ok |
| 10:00.41 | jelly | post-up curl https://blahblah || /bin/true # to avoid the command failing |
| 10:01.04 | jelly | doesn't have to be a script. |
| 10:01.43 | dka | can I have two post up? |
| 10:01.47 | dka | I already use one for wol |
| 10:01.50 | jelly | yes |
| 10:02.13 | dka | can I use multiline with backslash? |
| 10:02.27 | jelly | no idea |
| 10:02.31 | jelly | !interfaces |
| 10:02.31 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 10:03.14 | jelly | use a script if needed; you can however use shell syntax, as it seems ifupdown calls the command with sh -c '...' |
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| 10:04.33 | dka | I did added a sh script in post up |
| 10:04.37 | dka | how can I test it work? |
| 10:04.47 | dka | I presume reboot |
| 10:04.53 | jelly | ifdown BLAH; ifup BLAH |
| 10:05.17 | jelly | if you're connected remotely watch out so you don't accidentally cut off your access |
| 10:05.27 | dka | excellent |
| 10:05.33 | dka | thank you so much |
| 10:05.55 | dka | Now I can sleep on my two ears |
| 10:05.55 | jelly | you're welcome! |
| 10:05.58 | ksk | protip: putin "your command || true" so e/n/i execution does not stop as a whole if your command is faulty. |
| 10:06.10 | dka | No risk of fire or down service |
| 10:07.16 | jelly | ksk, thanks, that's an explanation for || /bin/true that is more easy to understand |
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| 10:29.22 | wwilliam | Why would scp only work with ip and not hostname? like scp user@ip:/some/file . |
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| 10:29.45 | Haohmaru | huh, are you sure it doesn't wurk? |
| 10:29.53 | wwilliam | No |
| 10:30.02 | Haohmaru | oh wait, "scp" .. i haven't used that |
| 10:30.38 | Haohmaru | i assume it's a commandline tool |
| 10:31.18 | H4ndy | pretty sure scp works with hostnames |
| 10:31.24 | wwilliam | Yes to copy files..... |
| 10:31.25 | H4ndy | does the hostname resolve properly? |
| 10:31.33 | Haohmaru | i'd be surprised if it doesn't |
| 10:31.39 | wwilliam | if I do ssh hosname |
| 10:31.43 | wwilliam | no problem |
| 10:31.48 | wwilliam | is only with scp |
| 10:32.00 | Haohmaru | what does scp say? |
| 10:32.08 | genr8_ | run the host command on the hostname |
| 10:32.10 | wwilliam | file doesn exist |
| 10:32.59 | wwilliam | hostname gives me the name i use to login using ssh |
| 10:33.15 | genr8_ | then it should work |
| 10:33.26 | wwilliam | but if i want to scp from there using hostname with scp dont work only works with ip |
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| 10:36.19 | bezaban | are you using the fqnd? |
| 10:36.23 | ratrace | didn't we have an exactly the same question here few months ago? turned out the user was ssh-ing to the wrong machine |
| 10:36.24 | bezaban | fqdn* |
| 10:36.36 | bezaban | or have anything in ~/.ssh/config |
| 10:36.57 | genr8_ | turned out the user was confused is the answer to nearly everything |
| 10:37.08 | wwilliam | Jesus |
| 10:37.11 | wwilliam | sorry |
| 10:37.16 | wwilliam | wrong hostname |
| 10:37.19 | Haohmaru | comput0rz are confusing |
| 10:37.27 | wwilliam | of course the file is not going to be found |
| 10:37.30 | bezaban | we can solve that with a couple more layers of abstractions |
| 10:37.32 | wwilliam | Thank you all |
| 10:37.33 | bezaban | :D |
| 10:37.41 | wwilliam | sorry to waste your time. |
| 10:38.04 | ratrace | I'm also willing to bet it was the same user ... :) |
| 10:38.20 | ratrace | wishIhadlogs... |
| 10:38.41 | wwilliam | No I never brought that question here |
| 10:38.43 | Haohmaru | gives ratrace a bag of logarithms |
| 10:38.45 | another | please put the time in the correct recycling bin |
| 10:39.34 | ratrace | wwilliam: btw, start getting used to rsync or something else, scp is not recommended to use by authors themselves, the protocol is icky |
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| 10:40.08 | ratrace | Haohmaru: so exponential of you! |
| 10:40.10 | H4ndy | I use rsync mostly for copying files on the local machine :D |
| 10:40.12 | wwilliam | ratrace: OK |
| 10:40.24 | wwilliam | but it was just one file. |
| 10:40.25 | Haohmaru | ur welcome |
| 10:40.39 | ratrace | you can rsync one file just fine oto |
| 10:40.40 | ratrace | *too |
| 10:40.45 | wwilliam | OK. |
| 10:41.19 | ratrace | rsync -a /local/path/to/file/note/no/trailing/slash remoteside:/path/to/wherever/ |
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| 10:41.54 | genr8_ | what do you mean the protocol, its using SSH as the protocol |
| 10:42.06 | ratrace | genr8_: no, scp is a protocol in itself |
| 10:42.08 | wwilliam | ratrace: thank you. |
| 10:42.16 | genr8_ | i dont think it is... |
| 10:42.52 | ratrace | https://www.openssh.com/txt/release-8.0 |
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| 10:43.24 | genr8_ | interesting. they do call it a protocol |
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| 10:43.33 | ratrace | "The scp protocol is outdated, inflexible and not readily fixed. We recommend the use of more modern protocols like sftp and rsync for file transfer instead." |
| 10:45.13 | ratrace | sure its based on ssh connections, but it's a proto in itself, ie. it's not like cat file | ssh "cat > file" |
| 10:45.41 | genr8_ | well mind blown |
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| 10:46.36 | hwm4rgs | the SSH protocol can do tons of nifty things. one of my workplaces has built several protocols on top of it. |
| 10:47.09 | genr8_ | so its a protocol on a protocol |
| 10:47.16 | hwm4rgs | sure, most protocols are. |
| 10:48.51 | genr8_ | what I dont get is why they didnt just make SSH fixed, and turn SCP into a program |
| 10:51.21 | genr8_ | why would you wanna deprecate SCP when: Note that OpenSSH's sftp and sftp-server implement revision 3 of the SSH filexfer protocol described in: http://www.openssh.com/txt/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-02.txt |
| 10:51.42 | genr8_ | just turn SCP into a frontend to that... why does FTP have to get involved. |
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| 10:52.04 | hwm4rgs | sftp isn't related to "the" FTP |
| 10:52.09 | another | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.15 | hwm4rgs | that's called ftps :D |
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| 10:53.13 | hwm4rgs | (which is just good ol' FTP wrapped in TLS or with the use of STARTTLS á la SMTP/IMAP) |
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| 10:53.42 | ratrace | indeed. and then note that rsync working over ssh is not unlike scp working over ssh, or sftp working over ssh, it's just that scp and sftp are tools grown within the same, OpenSSH project |
| 10:54.17 | another | hwm4rgs: bandaid on a shitty protocol |
| 10:54.39 | hwm4rgs | sure, but if the bandaid solves a problem in a wide deployment it's a whole lot better than no bandaid |
| 10:54.53 | another | sure |
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| 10:57.41 | hwm4rgs | of course this shouldn't be confused with Simple File Transfer Protocol, SFTP, which is somewhere between TFTP and FTP in complexity/features, but still not "secure". |
| 10:58.08 | Mava42 | oh, TFTP <3 |
| 10:58.23 | hwm4rgs | That's a first to me. |
| 10:58.28 | hwm4rgs | Never seen anyone like TFTP. |
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| 11:01.26 | genr8_ | I still wouldnt call it a protocol. just looks like a shitty program https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/usr.bin/ssh/scp.c |
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| 11:03.03 | Mava42 | hmm, scp a protocol? hardly.. |
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| 11:05.45 | genr8_ | maybe we need to go back in history. wikipedia: "The SCP is a network protocol, based on the BSD RCP protocol" |
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| 11:06.40 | genr8_ | scp.c: "scp - secure remote copy. This is basically patched BSD rcp which uses ssh to do the data transfer (instead of using rcmd)." |
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| 11:07.19 | Mava42 | genr8_: this is in fact interesting academic question already |
| 11:07.43 | genr8_ | yes I had to go down the rabbithole :p |
| 11:08.45 | jelly | scp is a crazy little hack that depends a lot on the shell, avoid using it |
| 11:08.51 | jelly | sftp is sane. |
| 11:09.11 | Mava42 | is scp broken? |
| 11:09.31 | another | it had a couple CVE's in the past |
| 11:09.42 | another | not sure if they are fixed |
| 11:09.49 | jelly | it's broken by design, and there were some hacks added to it to enhance security (but reduce usefulness) |
| 11:09.52 | genr8_ | something about wildcard expansion between remote / local not matching up |
| 11:10.08 | another | AFAIK a malicious server can do malicious things |
| 11:10.27 | jelly | wildcard expansion to something that client did not expect was USEFUL |
| 11:11.10 | jelly | eg. I would routinely pass zsh extended glob to the other side to copy only latest files, now that's broken |
| 11:11.27 | jelly | scp -p remote:'*(.m-1)' . |
| 11:12.14 | jelly | my login shell on the remote end would expand *(.m-1) to "only regular files, less than one day old" |
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| 11:12.52 | genr8_ | probably cause ZSH isnt POSIX compatible by default |
| 11:13.07 | jelly | posix compat is crap |
| 11:13.37 | genr8_ | well it standardized things to work, and kinda makes sense if you're dealing with a non-protocol protocol like scp |
| 11:13.39 | jelly | a posix shell does very little and isn't really useful for interactive use |
| 11:14.09 | genr8_ | I cant blame scp for not accepting weird shell globs |
| 11:15.14 | jelly | I can blame openssh authors for fixing something that was _known_ to be broken in the first place. They should have disabled scp by default (which, again, is hard to do because it works on top of login shell) |
| 11:15.27 | jelly | let the shell deal with globs |
| 11:15.57 | jelly | so... use sftp |
| 11:15.59 | tramplefoot | zmodem is as secure as telnet, right? |
| 11:16.29 | jelly | tramplefoot, zmodem works on an already established serial (-like) line |
| 11:16.47 | another | does the sftp command support destination path? |
| 11:16.58 | jelly | !tias |
| 11:16.58 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 11:17.32 | tramplefoot | sshfs is better if you are planning to constantly transfer files between your SSH server and your local machine |
| 11:17.35 | jelly | or use a nicer sftp client like lftp, or sshfs |
| 11:17.44 | jelly | sshfs is a sftp client. |
| 11:17.59 | rain1 | sftp is so nice |
| 11:18.08 | rain1 | i use that for copying from my phone to computer |
| 11:18.18 | tramplefoot | lftp++ |
| 11:18.22 | jelly | rsync is smarter than sftp and can significantly reduce transfer size |
| 11:18.49 | jelly | (if you're syncing something that already partially exists on dest) |
| 11:18.52 | genr8_ | rsync has version mismatch issues |
| 11:19.01 | another | uuh, lftp supports sftp? nice :) |
| 11:19.26 | another | rsync needs to be installed on both sides to be used |
| 11:19.42 | genr8_ | right, preferably the same version. if not, theres issues. |
| 11:20.59 | ratrace | another: kinda like openssh itself? ;) |
| 11:21.13 | genr8_ | worse |
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| 11:21.25 | genr8_ | the backwards compatibility is not adequate. |
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| 11:23.57 | genr8_ | since rsync comes from Samba, which is equally annoying |
| 11:28.11 | genr8_ | another philosophical question: If a protocol doesnt have an IETF document, is it really a protocol ? |
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| 11:28.45 | jelly | rsync has the same author as samba initially, and isn't really _that_ problematic with different versions |
| 11:29.11 | jelly | depends on what you do with it |
| 11:29.18 | ratrace | I don't recall noticing any backwards incompatibility issues , ever |
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| 11:30.51 | ZeNEX | Hello, using Debian 10. I'm trying to map the command "ip route add 192.168.110.0/24 dev ens192" to a permanent route in /etc/network/interfaces but it seems it doesn't work. How is that command translated into that configuration file? Any help appreciated, thanks. |
| 11:31.01 | jelly | do remember occasional issues, between horribly old servers (think RHEL4) and newer clients |
| 11:31.21 | jelly | ratrace, but that's with rsync native proto, not over ssh |
| 11:31.47 | jelly | ZeNEX, show your current interfaces file |
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| 11:32.16 | another | you can use `up ip route...` |
| 11:32.27 | jelly | ZeNEX, typically you just add a command into an "up" or "post-up" line in the stanza for iface ens192 ... |
| 11:32.45 | jelly | there's no built-in support to add routes nicely, like on redhat-based systems |
| 11:32.56 | ZeNEX | This is my current config file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zjD3Jj2TjW/ |
| 11:33.09 | ratrace | jelly: oh yeah, that kinda rings a bell, long, long time ago. but over ssh I don't recall any, if src and dst machines had different rsync versions |
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| 11:34.05 | jelly | ZeNEX, just add a line 18 saying " up ip r add 192.168.110.0/24 dev ens192" and possibly another saying " down ip r del 192.168.110.0/24 dev ens192 || true" |
| 11:34.22 | jelly | sprinkle with || true suffixes liberally |
| 11:34.33 | ratrace | jelly: what's the difference between up and post-up ? |
| 11:34.39 | jelly | post- |
| 11:34.51 | jelly | hides |
| 11:34.52 | ratrace | <nicholas-cage-you-dont-say.jpg> |
| 11:35.13 | jelly | fiik |
| 11:35.32 | jelly | if you have both, post-up run after up! |
| 11:35.47 | genr8_ | i believe "post-up" is guaranteed to be up, "up" means its in the process of coming up |
| 11:35.50 | jelly | presumably after the link is up, too |
| 11:35.52 | ratrace | jelly: ah, makes sense |
| 11:36.22 | jelly | s/up/configured/; it can take time for a link to actually come up |
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| 11:36.56 | ZeNEX | jelly, that did the trick, thanks! :) |
| 11:37.05 | jelly | genr8_, but a failure in post-up still makes ifupdown think the iface isn't configured properly |
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| 11:37.18 | ratrace | genr8_: I was thinking the same, like a dependency issue... I really have to switch over to networkd asap. |
| 11:37.19 | genr8_ | oh |
| 11:37.30 | jelly | ZeNEX, verify that "ifdown ens192" also does the thing |
| 11:38.07 | ZeNEX | What would happen if it doesn't? |
| 11:38.09 | jelly | not responsible for cutting ZeNEX' access off |
| 11:38.19 | jelly | the route might stay up? |
| 11:39.33 | another | routes referencing a device get delete with the device |
| 11:39.53 | jelly | ZeNEX, I'm not sure how you plan for that route to work, unless you either specify a gateway, or have an extra IP address for that segment on the same interface |
| 11:39.55 | another | not perfectly sure if that also applies to a device going down |
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| 11:40.51 | ZeNEX | jelly, I just know it now connects to that subnet and everything works OK. If it works, it´s OK right? or could I be setting myself up for a shotgun to the feet? |
| 11:41.05 | jelly | ZeNEX, eh, if it works it works? |
| 11:41.31 | jelly | doesn't matter that some person on irc doesn't know HOW it works |
| 11:43.10 | genr8_ | works is relative |
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| 11:44.19 | ratrace | much confuse.... there's no if-post-up.d/ directory |
| 11:45.07 | ratrace | there's pre-up, up, down and post-down, but in the stanzas one can additionally use post-up and pre-down hooks |
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| 11:46.21 | ZeNEX | I only learn by peeing on electric fences so I'll report back. |
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| 11:48.28 | genr8_ | man 5 interfaces: "Please note that as post-up and pre-down are aliases, no files in the corresponding directories are processed. Please use if-up.d and if-down.d directories instead." |
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| 11:49.38 | genr8_ | so they really arent different at all ? |
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| 11:52.47 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:53.16 | ratrace | genr8_: apparently |
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| 12:04.32 | Kobaz | hmmm, just upgraded to kernel 5.6.0 and everything is suuuuuuper slow now |
| 12:04.46 | Kobaz | booting took forever, was stuck on staring udev for like 3 minutes |
| 12:04.50 | Kobaz | and this is 100% ssd |
| 12:05.48 | Kobaz | cpu load is like nothing, load average is 0 |
| 12:06.24 | another | head /proc/pressure/* |
| 12:06.43 | Kobaz | https://dpaste.com/HM7XYFVZZ |
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| 12:07.08 | Kobaz | https://dpaste.com/9HNP8G4BQ |
| 12:07.45 | Kobaz | aaand https://dpaste.com/7TTYTYGJJ |
| 12:07.54 | Kobaz | this slowdown makes no sense at all |
| 12:08.23 | Kobaz | oh |
| 12:08.24 | Kobaz | maybe it does' |
| 12:08.26 | Kobaz | cpu MHz : 1197.184 |
| 12:08.48 | Kobaz | 1.1ghz shouldn't be this slow though |
| 12:09.23 | ratrace | Kobaz: the cpu clock is variable. stays as low as possible until a workload spins it up |
| 12:09.49 | Kobaz | not necessarily, i don't know what governor is being used |
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| 12:10.49 | ratrace | Kobaz: if that's a (newer) intel, then "powersave" pstate |
| 12:11.00 | ratrace | but... cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/*/scaling_governor |
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| 12:11.13 | Kobaz | It's on powersave |
| 12:11.18 | ratrace | mmmh-hmmm |
| 12:11.28 | Kobaz | ah, i usually use cpufreq, but it's not installed |
| 12:11.54 | ratrace | powersave is ok. it _will_ ramp up to max mhz when needed. Don't know about turbo tho |
| 12:12.06 | Kobaz | but i mean, this is ridiculous |
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| 12:12.18 | ratrace | Kobaz: have you looked into dmesg? maybe there's clues |
| 12:12.21 | genr8_ | somethings not right. |
| 12:12.21 | Kobaz | it's taking 10 minutes for a 3 small package apt-get |
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| 12:12.28 | Kobaz | dmesg looks fine |
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| 12:13.20 | genr8_ | pick better options when you compile the kernel ;p |
| 12:13.30 | Kobaz | tell that to the package maintainers |
| 12:13.39 | Kobaz | Linux beastly 5.6.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:13.47 | Kobaz | The first time i switch to a package-kernel on this box and it goes fubar |
| 12:14.06 | ratrace | PREEMTP_RT ..... where did you get that kernel |
| 12:14.12 | Kobaz | apt-get |
| 12:14.25 | ratrace | which repo, buster backports? |
| 12:14.36 | Kobaz | yup |
| 12:14.37 | nevivurn | eh |
| 12:14.44 | genr8_ | why is it only 5.6 ? |
| 12:14.51 | ratrace | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:14.52 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u5; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.7-1; sid: 5.8.7-1; experimental: 5.9~rc4-1~exp1 |
| 12:14.53 | Kobaz | brcasue there's no PREEMPT_RT for anything newer |
| 12:15.03 | genr8_ | hmmmmmmmm |
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| 12:15.05 | nevivurn | did you get linux-image-rt-amd64? |
| 12:15.07 | Kobaz | it's always way behind |
| 12:15.09 | ratrace | why are you using preempt rt? |
| 12:15.23 | ratrace | I bet the RT is causing you problems |
| 12:15.27 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 12:15.39 | nevivurn | Do you know what preemt rt is? |
| 12:15.54 | Kobaz | preempt is preemptable kernel, so userspace gets higher priority |
| 12:15.58 | Kobaz | and rt is realtime |
| 12:16.01 | ratrace | Kobaz: check out /proc/interrupts, say a few seconds apart, do you have an intrrupt storm? |
| 12:16.08 | ratrace | Kobaz: why do you think you need that? |
| 12:16.17 | Kobaz | ratrace: virtual machine server |
| 12:16.31 | genr8_ | thats not a good reason |
| 12:16.32 | ratrace | Kobaz: then you're using the wrong kernel |
| 12:16.46 | Kobaz | interesting |
| 12:16.46 | ratrace | RT is not for VM performance, RT is for low latency interrupt reactivity |
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| 12:17.29 | jelly | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 12:17.30 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u5; buster-backports: 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1 |
| 12:17.45 | logithack | Currently, there are 3 ISO images available on the Debian download page (see bottom: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/). What's the difference between them? |
| 12:18.03 | genr8_ | part 1, part 2, part 3 |
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| 12:18.15 | Kobaz | well that's good to know |
| 12:18.17 | jelly | logithack, the CONTENTS are different |
| 12:18.18 | nevivurn | You usually only need part 1 if you have network availability |
| 12:18.36 | ratrace | logithack: 3 DVDs for offline software installation; 1st suffices to install a basic desktop |
| 12:18.41 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.44 | logithack | I didn't know the installation image was that big |
| 12:19.04 | ratrace | logithack: depends what software you want. DVD1 packs a quite some |
| 12:19.05 | nevivurn | logithack: you can get a smaller network boot disk that is a few hundred megs |
| 12:19.14 | jelly | logithack, if you have internet connectivity during installation you can use the small netinst image. |
| 12:19.20 | logithack | but since i'm connected to the internet, i can sit back and watch DVD 1 arrive ;) |
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| 12:20.06 | logithack | Thanks guys! |
| 12:20.11 | jelly | logithack, you have a consumer laptop however and you expect wifi and graphics to work, you might want to install using |
| 12:20.15 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 12:20.15 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. |
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| 12:20.46 | jelly | some hardware requires non-free firmware to work correctly |
| 12:20.55 | gribouille | hi |
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| 12:21.33 | gribouille | how can I remap a key in a terminal like xterm (not in X globally)? |
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| 12:24.24 | k-j-m_ | can i upgrade to debian 10 to latest version |
| 12:24.53 | genr8_ | yes. 10 is the latest version. just run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:24.55 | k-j-m_ | or is it last latest version |
| 12:25.01 | ratrace | k-j-m_: from which version? |
| 12:25.25 | k-j-m_ | ratrace: 10 |
| 12:25.57 | nevivurn | 10 is the latest version, though. |
| 12:26.03 | nevivurn | Do you mean something like testing? |
| 12:26.33 | ratrace | k-j-m_: what point release are you on? cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:30.43 | k-j-m_ | ratrace:10.5 |
| 12:31.14 | ratrace | k-j-m_: then you're on latest debian stable |
| 12:33.24 | k-j-m_ | ratrace:thanks i was not able to install qtile so i thought i was waybehind |
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| 12:36.31 | k-j-m_ | has anybody known why debian repo? |
| 12:36.45 | k-j-m_ | has not qtile |
| 12:37.01 | dvs | ,v qtile |
| 12:37.03 | judd | No package named 'qtile' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:38.03 | k-j-m_ | judd: thats why i asked! |
| 12:39.55 | ksk | it seems kind of recent softare (Current Release: v0.16.1,) - might be related to that.. |
| 12:40.03 | ksk | *It seems to be |
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| 12:40.53 | Kobaz | looks like i need to build a kernel afterall |
| 12:41.04 | ksk | okay, judging from upstream it once was part of debian. If I know was able to remember the "why is XY not in debian" trigger for once.. ;) |
| 12:41.09 | Kobaz | the latest debian buster backports 5.7.0 doesn't recognize my btrfs root |
| 12:41.16 | Kobaz | but 5.6.0-rt does |
| 12:41.23 | ksk | judd, why is qtile not in debian |
| 12:41.24 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 12:41.32 | ksk | judd, why qtile not in debian |
| 12:41.33 | judd | No package named 'qtile' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 12:42.22 | k-j-m_ | i dont think that any one has tried qtitle in debian 10.if so can anyone help me with this. |
| 12:44.07 | ksk | k-j-m_: what kind of errors are you getting? In generel such problems would be much better fitted for the qtile community of course, as it is third party software to Debian |
| 12:45.51 | k-j-m_ | ksk: thanks man , thats what i want to know man thanks very much |
| 12:47.04 | ksk | not sure if irony or not :P |
| 12:50.32 | k-j-m_ | ksk: does qtile has irc client? please man |
| 12:51.49 | ksk | k-j-m_: glad to be your google frontend: irc.oftc.net/#qtile |
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| 12:59.26 | k-j-m_ | ksk : i lost my hope man they are not active now |
| 13:00.52 | k-j-m_ | can one help with my problem |
| 13:01.11 | k-j-m_ | qtile install in debian 10.5 |
| 13:01.21 | ksk | k-j-m_: until you state your problem, how can we help you.. |
| 13:01.53 | k-j-m_ | i cant install qtile |
| 13:02.01 | ksk | !does not work |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 13:02.55 | dvs | k-j-m_, as judd told you, qtile is not packaged in Debian |
| 13:02.58 | k-j-m_ | error------"E: Unable to locate package qtile" |
| 13:03.57 | k-j-m_ | ksk : if its not there how can i install qtile? |
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| 13:04.44 | another | package it, find a repo that you trust which does package it, install manually, ... |
| 13:05.03 | genr8_ | The documentation is wrong: http://docs.qtile.org/en/latest/manual/install/ |
| 13:05.16 | genr8_ | says it used to exist, but now it doesnt, and to install from source. |
| 13:05.25 | k-j-m_ | thats another problem |
| 13:05.54 | genr8_ | you can read right ? or language problem ? |
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| 13:06.35 | k-j-m_ | genr8_: language is not the problem |
| 13:06.54 | genr8_ | so read that page. theres 3 or 4 pip commands to install it. |
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| 13:08.54 | genr8_ | if you give me $5 I will type them for you |
| 13:09.06 | ksk | *insert monero address here* |
| 13:09.59 | oiaohm | k-j-m_: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qtile The package never matured out of unstable debian. And when it lost it maintainer its gone poof. http://docs.qtile.org/en/latest/manual/install/index.html#installing-from-source so if you want qtile its built from source. |
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| 13:10.48 | n4dir | though if you got that hard times to do such research, you might reconsider to stick whatever is available from the repositories. Just a thought |
| 13:11.59 | n4dir | it just makes your life easier. |
| 13:12.31 | genr8_ | he blames us for it not being 1 apt-get command. now life is haaaaaaard hard hard. |
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| 13:14.35 | another | tbf, life *is* hard |
| 13:17.34 | n4dir | depending where you come from it isn't that clear that for debian it is considered good advice to stick to the official repositories (or at least that how it seems to me) |
| 13:18.08 | n4dir | i sure got no idea if qtile does anything other wm's don't do. |
| 13:21.22 | genr8_ | I imagine its just too new |
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| 13:22.45 | genr8_ | is there a !factoid for "new/shiny" |
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| 13:23.18 | dvs | !sns |
| 13:23.18 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 13:23.19 | ksk | !sns |
| 13:23.20 | Bushmaster | Hi, I know I may get heat cos of the inquiry I have but I am getting this error message everytime I try to install something in Ubuntu machine, i know its ubuntu problem, hence do not wanna put you out, just inquiring whether this problem can be resolved if it happens lets say in any Linux distro https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2wRMGty9wn/ |
| 13:23.29 | dvs | ksk, liar! ;-) |
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| 13:23.57 | ksk | someone already said that 1s ago! |
| 13:24.10 | genr8_ | Bushmaster, yes, it means another package manager is running |
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| 13:24.51 | Bushmaster | genr8_, thanks for answering, is this automated, because all I did is boot Ubuntu, nothing else |
| 13:25.18 | genr8_ | yes its automated in ubuntu. it could be busy. |
| 13:25.22 | genr8_ | try again later. |
| 13:25.36 | ksk | Answering that question however leads us deep into buntuland :P Take a look at your desktop, if there is some Update-Symbol |
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| 13:25.44 | ksk | (in system tray most likely) |
| 13:26.01 | Bushmaster | very weird isn't it genr8_ OS suppose to make peoples life easy, and here I am where all it doing is hassling |
| 13:26.18 | ksk | taking a look at a "tree of processes running" (ps aux, pstree) could also lead you to identify said process. |
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| 13:26.38 | genr8_ | yes. I dont like Ubuntu because it has too many rogue processes. |
| 13:26.42 | Bushmaster | ksk you writing this for me? |
| 13:26.50 | genr8_ | taking actions without my say-so |
| 13:26.52 | ksk | yes. |
| 13:27.11 | Bushmaster | well, I will just get rid of it then, I utlized several machiens and I just gonna get rid of Ubuntu |
| 13:27.11 | ghaoil | I'd like to preseed a debian net-installation. I've managed to include my preseed file in the ISO using the excellent documentation on the wiki. But I'd like to pull it from an HTTP server. |
| 13:27.36 | n4dir | the script ps_mem.py made me easily see whatever ubuntu thinks it needs to do automated. Or at least a part of it. Then get rid of it |
| 13:27.54 | genr8_ | even ubuntu-server 20.04 is problematic. they drank too much koolaid. |
| 13:27.54 | ghaoil | Is that possible to do even before the network is configured in the installed or working with two preseed files. The second being loaded after the first has configured the network? |
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| 13:28.41 | Bushmaster | genr8_, I will just get rid of it, plenty of distros available, obviously my main machine id Debian where I am talkign to you now anyway |
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| 13:30.04 | n4dir | funny to have so much work to undo what ubuntu did to make your life easy ... |
| 13:30.05 | de-facto | how do i get the debhelper-compat level of my distro? |
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| 13:30.07 | genr8_ | good. I hope more people realize it and stop recommending Ubuntu. its super lazy |
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| 13:30.46 | de-facto | trying to build a package Unmet build dependencies: debhelper-compat (= 13) |
| 13:31.33 | Bushmaster | genr8_, there channel is crap too, thousands of people sitting but no one even care to reply |
| 13:32.28 | de-facto | is there a command to read out the current dephelper-compat level of a debian release? |
| 13:32.34 | genr8_ | n4dir, theres some kind of philosophical issue between "make millions of users lives easier so we dont get support tickets" vs "make _MY_ life easier so I can understand it". I'm not millions of idiots. I know what I want and I want to control my system, not have the system control me. |
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| 13:33.33 | de-facto | i have debhelper 10.2.5 installed but lowering that debhelper-compat (= 10) does not work |
| 13:33.55 | genr8_ | its an unsolved debacle. multiple distros solve it, but only incidentally. you still have to comply with all the bad choices of your distromaker thats closest to your ideal choices. |
| 13:34.04 | de-facto | error: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper-compat (>= 10) |
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| 13:34.23 | de-facto | so how do i find my current debhelper-compat level? |
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| 13:35.09 | n4dir | de-facto: i once ran in that, but don't recall. I'd say do the build in a sid-chroot or with pbuilder, but am pretty sure the solution was more easy. There is an irc channel for people who build for themselves, not to maintain an app |
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| 13:35.43 | n4dir | searching for that channels name ... |
| 13:35.50 | genr8_ | im of the same mindset as Devuan distro, except i wish OG Debian took that approach so I didnt have to go to a splinter-distro. |
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| 13:36.43 | jelly | Kobaz, which cpu model do you have? There have been changes in freq/voltage scaling in recent kernels that affect CPUs older than... I think Sky Lake |
| 13:36.55 | n4dir | de-facto: #packaging: Meant for support for people doing packaging outside of Debian. See #debian-mentors for packaging within Debian. |
| 13:36.59 | Kobaz | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1650 v3 @ 3.50GHz |
| 13:37.04 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 13:37.05 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 13.2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.2.1; sid: 13.2.1 |
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| 13:37.22 | Kobaz | jelly: also, the reason for RT, is voip-guest systems, that really do want 10ms time slices |
| 13:37.24 | jelly | de-facto, which release are you on? |
| 13:37.42 | de-facto | its stretch |
| 13:37.44 | jelly | Kobaz, and 4.19 isn't good enough? |
| 13:37.56 | Kobaz | btrfs is... less good on 4.19 |
| 13:38.05 | de-facto | yeah stretch: 10.2.5 |
| 13:38.22 | jelly | de-facto, you're screwed, then, stretch-backports has debhelper 12.1.1 |
| 13:38.28 | de-facto | so i thought i might just try to lower the debhelper-compat level in debian/control |
| 13:38.34 | jelly | de-facto, what are you trying to backport |
| 13:38.39 | de-facto | znc |
| 13:38.43 | jelly | which znc |
| 13:38.46 | jelly | ,v znc |
| 13:38.47 | n4dir | as said, i was giving the solution to said problem in said channel |
| 13:38.48 | judd | Package: znc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-security: 1.4-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.7.2-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1.7.2-3; buster-backports: 1.8.1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.8.2-1; sid: 1.8.2-1 |
| 13:38.56 | de-facto | the one from sid |
| 13:39.26 | jelly | n4dir, well, stretch isn't "out of debian" |
| 13:39.41 | de-facto | if i could find out what my current debhelper package provides at debhelper-compat level i could try to write that into debian/control and see if it would compile |
| 13:39.57 | de-facto | but how would i find out my debhelper-compat level? |
| 13:39.57 | n4dir | jelly: that channel is for people who compile for themselves, instead of the mentors, which is for people who start packaging for debian |
| 13:40.04 | jelly | de-facto, the compats match major versions of debhelper IIRC |
| 13:40.21 | de-facto | yeah but thats not accepted for some reason |
| 13:40.23 | de-facto | e.g. =10 |
| 13:40.46 | de-facto | error: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper-compat (= 10) |
| 13:40.51 | jelly | n4dir, yes, I know, we still help people doing backports to oldstable in here. |
| 13:40.59 | de-facto | note its dependencies error, not compile or such |
| 13:41.09 | jelly | de-facto, try 12 and install debhelper from backports. |
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| 13:41.18 | jelly | stretch-backports that is |
| 13:41.33 | genr8_ | #packaging isnt on this network ? |
| 13:41.39 | jelly | !oftc |
| 13:41.39 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 13:41.44 | genr8_ | k |
| 13:42.05 | jelly | !oftc move |
| 13:42.05 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 13:42.09 | de-facto | ok lets see |
| 13:43.15 | de-facto | hmm that conflicts with cmake |
| 13:43.20 | de-facto | meh :/ |
| 13:43.55 | de-facto | why cant I just find out my current debhelper-compat level? |
| 13:44.12 | de-facto | it must have such a level for all the stretch packages |
| 13:44.23 | jelly | ,provides debhelper --release stretch |
| 13:44.24 | judd | Package debhelper in stretch/amd64 provides no additional packages. |
| 13:44.30 | jelly | hum. |
| 13:44.52 | jelly | that's not right |
| 13:45.00 | genr8_ | apt-cache show debhelper |
| 13:45.45 | jelly | the one I got. from stretch-backports, provides up to = 12 |
| 13:45.47 | jelly | Provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd |
| 13:46.03 | de-facto | yeah but i could hot install cmake then |
| 13:46.04 | jelly | those versioned provides match major versions of dh |
| 13:46.12 | jelly | de-facto, that is a separate issue |
| 13:46.15 | jelly | !bat |
| 13:46.15 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:46.19 | jelly | ^^ |
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| 13:47.32 | de-facto | what is the normal debhelper-compat level for stretch? |
| 13:48.20 | jelly | de-facto, you can see it if you LOOK AT Provides: field of your debhelper package. |
| 13:48.39 | jelly | dpkg -s installed-package-name, or what genr8_ said, if it's not installed |
| 13:48.39 | dpkg | There is no record of a installed-package-name, or what genr8_ said, if it's not installed package |
| 13:48.49 | jelly | dpkg, hush |
| 13:48.49 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 13:49.02 | genr8_ | hah |
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| 13:49.45 | de-facto | lol aaw :) |
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| 13:50.28 | de-facto | hmm weird |
| 13:50.35 | de-facto | "dpkg -s debhelper | grep Provides" is empty |
| 13:50.47 | jelly | is it installed? |
| 13:51.06 | de-facto | yes |
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| 13:51.22 | genr8_ | apt-cache show debhelper | grep Provides |
| 13:51.43 | de-facto | ah there |
| 13:51.53 | de-facto | Provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd |
| 13:52.16 | de-facto | uhm one moment thats not the installed one |
| 13:52.34 | jelly | you're right, the one from stretch really doesn't have that header |
| 13:52.56 | jelly | probably because versioned Provides are a recent invention |
| 13:53.36 | de-facto | hmm how can i make dpkg-buildpackage happy about debian/control and at least try to compile it? |
| 13:53.58 | jelly | go change debian/rules so that it works with your older debhelper, instead |
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| 13:54.41 | jelly | (that is, grab source for znc for your release, grab source for sid, then compare debian/rules and adapt it so that it works on stretch) |
| 13:55.04 | de-facto | if i completely remove debhelper-compat from control it also stops |
| 13:55.06 | de-facto | dh: Compatibility levels before 5 are no longer supported (level 1 requested) |
| 13:55.18 | de-facto | so i have to provide it some level |
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| 13:55.48 | de-facto | yeah debian rules would be the next but first i have to fix control |
| 13:57.42 | jelly | you could also try to 1) backport debhelper 13 and install it 2) attempt to build znc again |
| 13:58.05 | jelly | but often those version bumps in dh have an actual reason |
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| 13:58.43 | n4dir | i tried backporting debhelper too, but that ran in the next issues, iirc |
| 13:59.05 | de-facto | yet how do all those stretch packages compile? they also need some debhelper version |
| 13:59.30 | jelly | their build deps match what it available in that release |
| 13:59.56 | jelly | <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 13.2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.2.1; sid: 13.2.1 |
| 13:59.59 | jelly | so, 10 |
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| 14:00.56 | de-facto | maybe i try debhelper (>= 9) |
| 14:01.01 | jelly | ,build-dep znc --release stretch |
| 14:01.02 | judd | Package znc in stretch -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), libssl-dev, libperl-dev, libicu-dev, pkg-config, tcl8.5-dev, libsasl2-dev, swig3.0, dh-python, python3-dev. |
| 14:01.27 | genr8_ | nothin crazy |
| 14:01.30 | jelly | it's not -compat there yet, just debhelper |
| 14:02.04 | jelly | ,build-dep znc --release buster-backports |
| 14:02.05 | judd | Package znc in buster-backports -- Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), dh-python, cmake, google-mock, googletest, pkg-config, swig, libboost-all-dev, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libssl-dev, libperl-dev, libicu-dev, libsasl2-dev, zlib1g-dev, tcl-dev, python3-dev. |
| 14:02.06 | de-facto | yeah i just looked at that, it seems there is no debhelper-compat indeed |
| 14:02.24 | jelly | oh, they moved to cmake |
| 14:02.38 | genr8_ | oh boy. that sounds way worse. |
| 14:03.01 | de-facto | meh |
| 14:03.08 | jelly | my znc server is on stretch as well, but I'm happy with 1.6.5 so far |
| 14:03.09 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.19 | jelly | hopes debian fixes any security issues |
| 14:03.24 | jelly | heheh |
| 14:03.35 | de-facto | yeah, i just wanted to at least try to compile it |
| 14:03.36 | jelly | what's 500MB of boost crap among friends |
| 14:04.10 | jelly | de-facto, maybe some of that is optional and you can build without the support |
| 14:04.21 | de-facto | thats my hope |
| 14:04.42 | genr8_ | my buster znc says: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in / IPv6: yes, SSL: yes, DNS: threads, charset: yes, i18n: no, build: autoconf |
| 14:04.44 | de-facto | so with the debhelper (>= 9) it goes a bit further, but then still complains dh: Compatibility levels before 5 are no longer supported (level 1 requested) |
| 14:05.51 | de-facto | hmm guessing, putting a 9 in debian/compat |
| 14:05.53 | jelly | you could also upgrade the whole machine to buster and then use the ready-made backport :-) |
| 14:06.07 | de-facto | oh it compiles stuff |
| 14:06.17 | de-facto | keeps fingers crossed |
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| 14:10.23 | de-facto | at 4% and working hard on it, wow that may take a while |
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| 14:17.21 | de-facto | hmm i should have instructed it to use parallel build jobs, 16% now |
| 14:17.49 | de-facto | yeah i guess at some point i have to upgrade that server to buster yet its a ton of work |
| 14:18.05 | de-facto | and i was too lazy to deal with it yet |
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| 14:32.24 | genr8_ | 9 to 10 went as smoothly as possible for me |
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| 14:39.14 | de-facto | yay it compiled :))) |
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| 14:43.10 | jelly | but does it work! |
| 14:43.18 | de-facto | so it seems it was only that debian/control debhelper-compat (= 13) changed to debhelper (>= 9) and putting a "9" in debian/compat |
| 14:43.31 | de-facto | thats to be seen |
| 14:44.06 | de-facto | at least it installed |
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| 15:08.42 | de-facto | everything looking good so far :) |
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| 15:42.04 | goddard | what is the best way to find the directories that are using the most space? |
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| 15:42.38 | Haohmaru | deploys an ear |
| 15:42.48 | JordiGH | goddard: I run k4dirstat |
| 15:42.59 | JordiGH | treemaps ftw |
| 15:44.20 | goddard | i should of said it is a server |
| 15:44.25 | goddard | i wish i could use a gui |
| 15:44.27 | goddard | haha |
| 15:46.45 | AndreasLutro | goddard: ncdu |
| 15:46.52 | jhutchins | goddard: du |
| 15:47.12 | jhutchins | goddard: The command line is much more powerful. |
| 15:47.53 | jhutchins | With a GUI, you can only do what someone else has already thought of. |
| 15:48.20 | goddard | nice ncdu |
| 15:48.28 | mutante | goddard: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-find-the-largest-filesdirectories-on-a-linuxunixbsd-filesystem/ |
| 15:48.30 | goddard | haha true |
| 15:48.34 | mutante | i keep going back to that one |
| 15:48.50 | goddard | i cant even run sort when the disk is full |
| 15:49.20 | mutante | goddard: when disk is full i first do "apt-cache clean" and usually i get a bit of space |
| 15:49.54 | jhutchins | Storage is cheap these days. |
| 15:50.07 | mutante | goddard: sorry, i meant to say "apt-get clean" |
| 15:50.29 | mutante | if that is not enough.. go to /var/log/ and start gzipping old files |
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| 15:51.03 | jelly | disks are cheap, reliable storage is still expensive |
| 15:51.33 | mutante | i don't think "buy a new disk" will solve it quickly if he can't even fun find |
| 15:51.37 | mutante | run |
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| 15:52.13 | jelly | goddard, du -x /mount/point > /dev/shm/du-x-point.$(date -I).txt ... or some ram disk other than /dev/shm if you have one |
| 15:52.21 | jelly | my /tmp are usually tmpfs |
| 15:52.37 | jelly | goddard, then sort -n that output file |
| 15:52.55 | goddard | why when i use ls -lah it has some size numbers as just numbers like 543 without a k at the end for kilobytes? |
| 15:53.17 | jelly | "bytes" are implied |
| 15:53.22 | goddard | i see |
| 15:53.24 | goddard | so small |
| 15:53.25 | mutante | goddard: du -hs will use "M", "G" etc |
| 15:54.58 | goddard | log dir is only 431M |
| 15:55.00 | mutante | just use find to identify the largest above, details in link above |
| 15:55.03 | goddard | its gotta be something else |
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| 15:56.49 | jhutchins | goddard: Mail spool? |
| 15:57.22 | goddard | my journal dir in the log file is taking up 400M thouse |
| 15:57.24 | mutante | use one of the ~ 6 solutions that have been listed? |
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| 15:57.54 | goddard | mutante:i would use ncdu but i cant install the app with limited space |
| 15:58.09 | mutante | goddard: you don't need to install any app. just use find or du |
| 15:58.18 | goddard | sure |
| 15:58.19 | jhutchins | goddard: Journal is supposed to be self-limiting to a certain percent (5%?) of the mounted partition (/var). |
| 15:58.31 | goddard | i see |
| 15:58.50 | jhutchins | du -sh /* should give you a clue where to look. Just keep drilling down. |
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| 15:58.58 | mutante | ignore everything that is just "M", | grep G |
| 15:59.14 | goddard | i hate google cloud |
| 15:59.25 | mutante | how is that related? |
| 15:59.45 | goddard | well i could just expand the disk, but unlike other cloud providers they make it difficult and manual |
| 15:59.52 | mutante | it's frustrating if people provide all those options but none of them is being considered |
| 16:00.05 | goddard | mutante: i think that is your perception my friend |
| 16:00.07 | goddard | i have listened |
| 16:00.14 | goddard | i found the place taking up the disk space |
| 16:00.17 | goddard | thank you |
| 16:00.26 | mutante | ok, cool |
| 16:00.42 | goddard | ya sorry i should of said that |
| 16:00.58 | goddard | my mind is racing trying to figure this stuff out on the fly of a production system |
| 16:01.08 | goddard | like why the heck isn't it auto expanding? |
| 16:01.18 | goddard | performance? |
| 16:01.19 | mutante | gotcha. glad you found it. if something in the Megabytes is the largest that is unusual |
| 16:01.42 | mutante | usually it's about a logfile of several G |
| 16:01.46 | goddard | i think it is my project files |
| 16:02.04 | goddard | can you gzip files on the fly while also "deleting" them? |
| 16:02.06 | mutante | run the find command and you can be sure |
| 16:02.09 | goddard | if that makes sense |
| 16:02.10 | mutante | goddard: yes |
| 16:02.23 | mutante | gzip will zip it and delete the original |
| 16:02.34 | goddard | even when under tight constraints ? |
| 16:02.36 | mutante | have done that before on large logs |
| 16:02.42 | goddard | cool |
| 16:03.23 | jhutchins | logrotate is essential |
| 16:03.26 | mutante | goddard: also you can use find to identify which files are "older than X days" and usually with logfiles people don't care anymore if they are old |
| 16:03.29 | karlpinc | I dunno. In my experience the deleted file is not gone until gzip completes. |
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| 16:03.59 | jhutchins | find /var/log -ctime +90 -delete |
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| 16:04.59 | karlpinc | wishes the debian logrotate default was dateext so the file names don't change. |
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| 16:06.24 | karlpinc | s/gone/reclaimed/ |
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| 16:08.41 | goddard | damn i can't even sftp the files off the server |
| 16:09.16 | goddard | wonder if rsync will work |
| 16:12.26 | moldy | if there is some kind of rescue mode it might be a good idea to boot into that to, avoid processes constantly filling up the disk again while you're working |
| 16:12.27 | jhutchins | goddard: You can clear the apt archives and indexes, that will give you some room. (Haven't had to do it on a Debian system, did it a lot on RH.) |
| 16:12.58 | jhutchins | moldy: There are hints that this is a cloud instance, so that's probably not an option. |
| 16:13.05 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Good idea |
| 16:13.11 | moldy | jhutchins: some cloud providers offer such things |
| 16:13.50 | moldy | you might also be able to spin up another instance and mount the virtual disk there. haven't used google cloud so i don't know the specifics there. |
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| 16:14.22 | jhutchins | moldy: I gather there are uptime issues. |
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| 16:14.54 | moldy | possibly, but at some point the only choice you have might be to pick the reason for being offline ;p |
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| 16:15.49 | moldy | (obviously, for the future, it's a good idea to monitor disk space so you get a warning before it's filled up) |
| 16:15.53 | jelly | dateext AND dateformat .%Y-%m-%d, the default is horrible |
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| 16:20.01 | goddard | phew got it down to 91% |
| 16:20.06 | goddard | i feel a little better |
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| 16:48.46 | johnjay | how much memory does debian require to install? |
| 16:48.54 | johnjay | i notice the qemu default of 128M doesn't work anymore |
| 16:49.12 | johnjay | i specify -m 1024M now |
| 16:49.16 | moldy | johnjay: i've somewhat-recently installed it on a 512M system |
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| 16:50.11 | johnjay | is it the size of the initrd that causes the size? |
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| 17:05.03 | psusi | I don't think you've been able to boot a linux system with only 128m for a number of years now... 512m is tight even for a headless server |
| 17:05.16 | jelly | johnjay, go with 256MB for x86 |
| 17:05.24 | psusi | which is odd because I distinctly remember booting debian from 1.44m floppies in a 486 with 2m of ram |
| 17:05.41 | jelly | you can boot a 128MB system, but apt and dpkg won't run without swap |
| 17:05.57 | johnjay | what about x8664? |
| 17:06.06 | jelly | about the same |
| 17:06.13 | johnjay | the installer failed to run with the defaults |
| 17:06.15 | another | 486 was dropped, wasn't it? |
| 17:06.19 | johnjay | which this page says is 128MB |
| 17:06.33 | jelly | amd64 works well on my cheap 2euro VM with 512M RAM |
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| 17:07.09 | jelly | johnjay, you could give more RAM during installation, then reduce it for running |
| 17:08.23 | johnjay | maybe it's because i choose graphical install from the menu? |
| 17:08.27 | jelly | but if you have 128MB that's more of an embedded system, so consider either building an image or running a different distro better suited for embedded devices, like OpwnWRT |
| 17:08.53 | jelly | I don't know how much more would a GUI installer take, don't do that |
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| 17:09.36 | johnjay | hah wow. so if i put it on 256M it fails. if i put it on 512M it doesn't fail but it does show a ncurses interface and says entering low-memory mode. |
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| 17:09.45 | jelly | good |
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| 17:10.50 | jelly | johnjay, what's your actual goal here? Just playing around, or do you have hard limits somewhere? |
| 17:11.05 | johnjay | curioser and curioser. at 768M it doesn't announce it's in low memory mode but it goes to the ncurses interface anyway |
| 17:11.19 | johnjay | oh yeah i forgot i was in #debian |
| 17:11.24 | johnjay | just playing around |
| 17:12.27 | johnjay | i suppose to make it topical it would be nice if the installer reported that you need XYZ memory or something instead of silently failing or silently working randomly |
| 17:13.19 | jelly | you're kind of supposed to read the installation guide for minimum requirements |
| 17:13.41 | jelly | !i-g |
| 17:13.41 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 17:13.43 | th_ | johnjay, DSL linux only needs 8mb to install |
| 17:13.53 | jelly | true to its name! |
| 17:14.09 | jelly | shines a LED diode light on it |
| 17:14.23 | psusi | wtf? I thought just loading the kernel with no initramfs and init=/bin/bash took more than 8mg of ram! |
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| 17:14.46 | johnjay | fair enough. although the document you linked suggests 800MB which is not suffcient according to qemu |
| 17:14.49 | johnjay | needed 900 min |
| 17:14.52 | acu | !paste |
| 17:14.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 17:15.05 | jelly | we accept patches for documentation as well! |
| 17:15.08 | jelly | hides |
| 17:15.21 | psusi | johnjay: for the gui install or classic d-i? |
| 17:15.26 | johnjay | gui |
| 17:15.33 | johnjay | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch05s01.en.html#graphical |
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| 17:15.46 | psusi | yea, probably need a gig for gui |
| 17:16.26 | johnjay | what's funny is i just picked 1024 randomly. but it just happened to be barely adequate |
| 17:17.04 | jelly | the installer is heavy, it puts most its stuff in a RAM disk while doing its work |
| 17:17.27 | jhutchins | What you need to boot the OS and what you need to do useful work are different questions these days. The OS mostly stays out of your way unless you get silly with desktop accessories. |
| 17:18.16 | jelly | if you avoid patching and installing things, you can run useful workloads with eve less |
| 17:18.34 | jelly | apt is a C++ beastie |
| 17:19.15 | jelly | theoretically you could make a d-i that uses zram+swap and maybe be able to run with less RAM |
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| 17:21.18 | crn | what replaced netstat in debian 10? |
| 17:21.30 | jelly | zram+swap half the memory, let the CPU do all the swapping/unswapping compression/decompression of pages, it easily provides 50% more effective RAM size, more depending on load. It's better if you give the VM at least two cores |
| 17:21.47 | jelly | crn, for open ports, ss, for routes, ip r |
| 17:21.59 | jelly | or you can install net-tools back and have netstat |
| 17:22.11 | jelly | ss is sometimes MUCH slower than netstat |
| 17:22.20 | crn | jelly, thanks. |
| 17:23.53 | jelly | crn, replaces in Debian 9, actually, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
| 17:24.10 | jelly | can't English |
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| 17:26.32 | crn | jelly, i had a problem while administrating cups. now localhost is not listening to port 631 (and others). how can i fix this? |
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| 17:28.00 | jelly | crn, verify whether the cups service is running at all |
| 17:28.54 | crn | jelly, it is. i can access it through the desktop. |
| 17:29.13 | jelly | using which tool? |
| 17:30.05 | crn | print settings in gnome |
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| 17:31.53 | jelly | crn, run lsof -np PID-OF-cupsd-PROCESS as root, see if it's merely unresponsive on 631/tcp or really isn't listening. Restart the service, verify the pid changed, and see if that makes any difference. |
| 17:32.00 | jelly | read the logs. |
| 17:32.14 | crn | ok |
| 17:32.39 | jelly | ss and netstat may also need to be run as root to work properly |
| 17:33.33 | crn | ok |
| 17:35.57 | crn | jelly, it's listening on 640 and 670 |
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| 17:37.00 | crn | jelly, using root for lsof netstat etc |
| 17:38.15 | johnjay | jelly: i get zram but swap implies a disk doesn't it? |
| 17:40.11 | jmcnaught | Swap uses a block device, which can be a ram disk, which can be compressed. That's zram. |
| 17:42.38 | johnjay | jelly: i misread that as use the crn program for open ports! |
| 17:43.10 | johnjay | ah ok. maybe i'm naive but i would think using compression would be the default |
| 17:43.26 | johnjay | esp with all the multi-core now |
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| 17:44.06 | johnjay | on the other hand it's rare to have less than a gig of ram anyway |
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| 18:10.09 | crn | jelly, fyi somehow cupsd.conf was renamed to cupsd.conf.O and cupsd.conf replaced it 1 second later with the Listen localhost:631 directive deleted. Thanks for your help. |
| 18:10.44 | jelly | that's weird |
| 18:10.56 | crn | right. |
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| 18:11.19 | jelly | johnjay, I've run zram+swap even on desktops with 8-14GB RAM |
| 18:11.36 | greycat | I would guess something is "managing" that system, keeping its conf files synced to a master/outside source. |
| 18:11.40 | jelly | Chrome browser is a nasty bloated thing, and I don't like to close tabs |
| 18:12.13 | jelly | Firefox as well, but it's livable with NoScript |
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| 19:01.35 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Would it be safe to delete some symlinks in /dev/disk/by-id to reimport a zfs pool? My HBA creates some unreliable UUID names which managed to pollute my pools, I'd delete those then reimport based on WWN IDs |
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| 19:05.16 | jhutchins | Aurora_v_kosmose: Do you have good backups? |
| 19:05.32 | Aurora_v_kosmose | jhutchins: I'm going to take that as a "no it's not safe" |
| 19:06.42 | blebz | Lolz |
| 19:07.24 | jhutchins | Aurora_v_kosmose: Not having good backups is always not safe, especially if you're going to mess with system configuration. |
| 19:07.41 | Aurora_v_kosmose | I have backups, but wasting literal hours to restore from backups is not a nice idea. |
| 19:07.57 | Aurora_v_kosmose | So if there's any chance of such a waste of time, I'd rather avoid it. |
| 19:10.01 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Which instead means I'll just do progressive resilvers of every mirror. Longer but no downtime. |
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| 19:13.58 | jhutchins | Aurora_v_kosmose: I've never had to mess with the /dev files for disks, except for tracking down LVM targets. |
| 19:14.30 | jhutchins | Aurora_v_kosmose: How much storage is involved here? |
| 19:15.59 | Aurora_v_kosmose | A few terabytes. |
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| 19:19.06 | oxek | "Use of the Xephyr X server instead of Xnest is recommended." said on https://packages.debian.org/buster/xnest |
| 19:19.12 | oxek | is this comment from debian or X? |
| 19:20.56 | sney | probably the debian X team |
| 19:21.43 | oxek | so I guess I should listen to them and move over onto xephyr then |
| 19:24.05 | oxek | reading about xephyr makes me think I should have used that ages ago |
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| 19:31.05 | b_jonas | hello. I have a problem on my new computer that I don't know how to debug. when I start X with the startx command, the X server starts and can run programs, but doesn't react to keyboard or mouse. and if I switch back to a different tty with the chvt command, I get a partly glitched state on the framebuffer console where most of the text is visible, but some of it is covered by junk apparently left by |
| 19:31.11 | b_jonas | Xorg, and I have no idea how to even fix that without a reboot. |
| 19:31.44 | b_jonas | so I guess I have two problems. how do I reinitialize the video mode for the framebuffer console? and how do I debug the X problem? |
| 19:32.03 | oxek | would love to help but is sick of X for the day |
| 19:32.21 | oxek | is using chvt from an X session to get to a tty a good idea anyway? |
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| 19:35.57 | b_jonas | oxek: I don't know, it used to work before, but I don't know any other way to get out of the X since the keyboard and mouse doesn't do anything |
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| 19:38.05 | blebz | I got a strange problem with Debian buster.. when I plug in my Wacom tablet I get 2 mouse pointers.. does anyone know what might be causing this issue? |
| 19:38.24 | blebz | It breaks Krita |
| 19:38.41 | shibboleth | running cryptsetup lukserase on a live/mounted volume will leave it usable until reboot/luksclose, right? |
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| 19:41.30 | oxek | shibboleth: correct |
| 19:41.52 | oxek | b_jonas: good point. |
| 19:42.01 | shibboleth | yeah, that was my impression but i thought i'd ask for a second opinion |
| 19:42.11 | shibboleth | i could not find any source material, did you? |
| 19:42.30 | oxek | shibboleth: personal experience, so take that into account |
| 19:42.41 | oxek | things may change if it is not well documented |
| 19:43.19 | oxek | if you want, create a new file-based container and test it out |
| 19:43.50 | oxek | pretty sure it stays mounted and is fully accessible for rw after lukserase |
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| 19:52.06 | de-facto | any idea where a file S.gpg-agent.ssh can come from? i get an error on trying to backport the newest limnoria sources to stretch |
| 19:52.26 | de-facto | that string is not anywhere in the sources |
| 19:52.47 | de-facto | nor in the invoking bash from dkpg-buildpackage -us -uc |
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| 19:53.26 | gry | de-facto: id suggest to ask #limnoria maybe |
| 19:54.03 | de-facto | i did they suspect pybuild on that one |
| 19:54.05 | de-facto | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'S.gpg-agent.ssh' |
| 19:54.17 | de-facto | os.unlink(name, dir_fd=topfd) |
| 19:54.35 | greycat | googling S.gpg-agent.ssh gives me https://wiki.gnupg.org/AgentForwarding |
| 19:55.15 | de-facto | yeah its something like that, but where would it come from ? |
| 19:55.29 | de-facto | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.11 | greycat | that's for an ssh agent, not a gpg agent |
| 19:56.52 | de-facto | not containing env | grep S.gpg-agent.ssh |
| 19:57.07 | de-facto | also no symlink or such with that name in the sources tree |
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| 19:57.13 | TanaPanda | Hello |
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| 19:57.28 | TanaPanda | I am having an issue with the netwroking with a raspberry pi |
| 19:57.38 | TanaPanda | I set a static route using |
| 19:57.45 | greycat | I mean, it's in ~/.gnupg/ right? It's clearly from gpg. Ask the #gnupg channel if you can't figure it out from the docs. |
| 19:57.53 | TanaPanda | sudo nano /lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-hooks/40-route |
| 19:58.05 | TanaPanda | and then i need to connect to a hidden ssid so i c=make these changes |
| 19:58.15 | psusi | it's *from* gpg, but it is *for* ssh to connect to when SSH_AUTH_SOCK points to it |
| 19:58.21 | TanaPanda | sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:58.25 | TanaPanda | ssid="insert_your_hidden_SSID_here" |
| 19:58.30 | TanaPanda | once i do this though mhy eth0 route stops working |
| 19:58.33 | TanaPanda | any thoughts |
| 19:58.40 | de-facto | greycat, yes possibly, yet for my root user that file is not present in ~/gnupg/ |
| 19:58.56 | greycat | well duh, why would *anything* be in the /root/ directory |
| 19:59.32 | greycat | you're not working as root, or as vladputin, so there won't be any files created in ~root or ~vladputin |
| 19:59.43 | psusi | what exactly are you running that is trying to unlink the socket? |
| 19:59.50 | psusi | only gpg-agent should ever be doing that |
| 20:01.42 | de-facto | yeah normally would not use root account |
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| 20:05.40 | andypoenas | hola, free secure encrypted connection: https://pastebin.com/rGcZXpie |
| 20:07.39 | de-facto | psusi, i am logged into my Debian Stretch server via ssh, changed my bash session with sudo su and running dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 20:07.58 | greycat | You are NOT supposed to build debs as root. |
| 20:08.13 | greycat | that's why you type "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc" |
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| 20:08.44 | greycat | and that's probably outdated/legacy anyway, maybe the -rfakeroot is automatic now or something |
| 20:08.57 | psusi | also don't "sudo su"... if you want a root shell from sudo, run sudo -s.. no need to run su |
| 20:09.17 | de-facto | yes ok, i can do all that, but is that causative for that error? |
| 20:10.07 | psusi | likely... use fakeroot and see if it works |
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| 20:11.50 | gribouille | hi |
| 20:12.35 | de-facto | ok lets see |
| 20:13.59 | gribouille | apt list --installed tells if a package was installed automatically. the information is not the same as the one in /var/lib/apt/extended_states. what does it mean? |
| 20:14.00 | apt | gribouille: that's too long |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | am I allowed to say that it means that apt's concept of "manual" or "auto" is a complete joke? |
| 20:15.19 | gribouille | greycat, how do you know that? |
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| 20:16.10 | greycat | just hang out here for a few years and watch all the people who try to do *anything* at all with apt's auto/manual, and how it always fails because A is "incorrectly" marked auto or B is "incorrectly" marked manual |
| 20:17.14 | gribouille | greycat, but why are packages marked "incorrectly"? |
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| 20:18.06 | oxek | people groan the most that the packages from initial installation are marked as 'manual' |
| 20:18.37 | greycat | Yeah, that's one of the big ones. |
| 20:18.59 | b_jonas | where are even the logs for my X.org session? I can't find them |
| 20:19.10 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 20:19.10 | dpkg | Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. |
| 20:19.16 | de-facto | oh that looks promising... |
| 20:19.21 | b_jonas | ah thanks |
| 20:19.36 | de-facto | it worked, wow |
| 20:19.57 | de-facto | how come that it failed as root without -rfakeroot |
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| 20:20.10 | greycat | because you are NOT supposed to build debs as root |
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| 20:20.16 | b_jonas | well that does mention that it's found a keyboard and mouse |
| 20:20.19 | de-facto | ok ok but why? |
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| 20:20.47 | jhutchins | gribouille: It's recomended/requested that you NOT cross-post troubleshooting requests to both networks. |
| 20:21.03 | de-facto | the root env not suitable for that? afaik thats how all those Ci/CD run the build jobs |
| 20:21.20 | greycat | what idiot set those up that way? |
| 20:21.21 | de-facto | i am not trying to debate, just to understand |
| 20:22.16 | b_jonas | oh wait |
| 20:22.39 | jhutchins | greycat: Is there a decent current guide to building pakages? The last updated one I saw is pretty obsolete these days. |
| 20:23.01 | b_jonas | it says "No input driver specified, ignoring this device." and "This device may have been added with another device file." for every device, including keyboard and mouse |
| 20:23.21 | b_jonas | I don't know why that is, but that's at least one step |
| 20:23.38 | greycat | !nmg |
| 20:23.38 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 20:24.32 | b_jonas | I might be missing some package that I should have installed for X, I'll look in the package manager |
| 20:25.48 | gribouille | jhutchins, are the two networks related? |
| 20:25.53 | b_jonas | is there one of these top-level packages that depends on all the things recommended to have a local X sessoin? |
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| 20:26.32 | de-facto | thank you i would not have found that one without trying to run it as normal user (and i would not have tried that) |
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| 20:26.56 | jhutchins | gribouille: Not really. Debian "moved" to oftc, which has several more semi-official channels, but freenode remains the post popular. |
| 20:27.11 | jhutchins | s/post/most |
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| 20:28.23 | jhutchins | gribouille: The main problem is if you get someone trying to help you in each channel, they may take different paths and you can't respond to both politely and without lag. |
| 20:28.53 | b_jonas | yes, and it's called xorg. I'll try that. |
| 20:29.43 | jhutchins | greycat: Thx. |
| 20:29.48 | b_jonas | sorry but I'll probably need to do reboot a few more times and will disconnect you |
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| 20:30.05 | gribouille | jhutchins, anyway, it's quite unlikely I'll get an answer on both channels at the same time |
| 20:30.25 | b_jonas | much better! there's now keyboard and mouse support |
| 20:30.32 | b_jonas | there's still graphics junk tohugh |
| 20:30.33 | jhutchins | gribouille: Actually, it happens fairly often. |
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| 20:30.42 | b_jonas | greycat: thanks |
| 20:30.55 | b_jonas | let me reboot |
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| 20:33.54 | gribouille | jhutchins, I did that to maximize the possibility of getting an answer |
| 20:35.13 | b_jonas | and after rebooting, it looks like I'm no longer getting the video glitch either |
| 20:35.25 | b_jonas | sorry, I know this was a stupis problem |
| 20:35.36 | b_jonas | now I'll have to configure stuff |
| 20:35.37 | Ede|Popede | !nvz |
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| 20:36.08 | b_jonas | I think I made the exact same mistake at some other installation, but with very different symptoms that time |
| 20:36.24 | b_jonas | (as in, the X server silently didn't start) |
| 20:37.14 | gribouille | how can I boot my computer if I have forgotten my passwords? |
| 20:39.16 | oxek | gribouille: assuming you use grub as your bootloader, use init=/bin/sh and then once loaded issue passwd to change root password |
| 20:39.28 | b_jonas | oh crap, I spoke too soon |
| 20:39.33 | b_jonas | there is the graphical glitch atain |
| 20:39.34 | b_jonas | again |
| 20:43.03 | gribouille | oxek, I did it on buster under Virtualbox and it triggered a kernel panic |
| 20:43.18 | oxek | gribouille: it will trigger a kernel panic on exit |
| 20:43.24 | oxek | i.e. once you close the shell |
| 20:43.31 | oxek | that's to be expected |
| 20:43.35 | gribouille | oxek, why? |
| 20:43.43 | oxek | because you're using a shell as init system |
| 20:44.02 | gribouille | oxek, but I don't get the shell |
| 20:44.24 | oxek | you should. If you don't, then something went terribly wrong. |
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| 20:45.01 | oxek | and I mean terribly terribly, because if init=/bin/sh does not load a shell, then I have no idea what happened |
| 20:46.16 | gribouille | oxek, I didn't do anything special |
| 20:47.17 | oxek | not saying you did, it's just completely unexpected behavior |
| 20:48.06 | b_jonas | ok, so I know this would be a workaround rather than a solution, but how do I configure what mode the framebuffer console uses? |
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| 20:48.16 | b_jonas | if I set it to a different resolution, the glitch would probably be healed |
| 20:48.49 | b_jonas | btw, I could temporarily remove the glitch by changing the video mode in X, but then after a few tty switches between the X and text console it returned |
| 20:49.25 | gribouille | oxek, ok, it worked with anoter vm, but it looks to me like a dirty hack |
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| 20:50.20 | gribouille | with GRUB 1, it was possible to add the parameter "single", and everything was fine |
| 20:50.47 | greycat | you can still do that, but single-user mode will ask for root's password |
| 20:51.04 | greycat | if you don't know root's passwd, or if you never set one ("because I always sudo"), then you're stuck |
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| 20:56.19 | jhutchins | !ifrp |
| 20:56.20 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 20:57.00 | oxek | that sounds very outdated |
| 20:57.10 | greycat | does it work |
| 20:57.20 | gribouille | if there is a kernel panic, the root file system won't be cleanly unmounted? |
| 20:57.36 | greycat | so do step 5 before you induce a panic |
| 20:58.30 | jhutchins | b_jonas: It sounds as if may be a hardware problem if it's not consistent. |
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| 21:00.13 | jhutchins | oxek: Some things don't change every week like systemd does. |
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| 21:07.03 | oxek | jhutchins: unfortunately !ifrp referres to the pre-systemd way of doing things |
| 21:08.04 | oxek | and what even is yaboot |
| 21:09.24 | greycat | does... it... work? |
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| 21:31.12 | gribouille | what is the best way to increase the number of lines in a virtual console? |
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| 21:37.55 | hassoon | gribouille: zoom out |
| 21:38.18 | gribouille | hassoon, what? |
| 21:39.49 | oxek | gribouille: edit /etc/default/console-setup and run setupcon |
| 21:41.49 | gribouille | oxek, what do I have to change in /etc/default/console-setup? |
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| 21:47.47 | oxek | gribouille: probably SCREEN_WIDTH and SCREEN_HEIGHT, info should be in man console-setup |
| 21:48.14 | oxek | might also require changing the font |
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| 21:49.46 | aLinux` | hey all. what drivers should i use on buster with rtx 2080 ti ? |
| 21:49.56 | gribouille | oxek, SCREEN_WIDTH and SCREEN_HEIGHT don't seem to be relevant ; the manual says : "The screen size can not exceed what the current screen resolution can display according to the size of the loaded font." |
| 21:50.00 | aLinux` | apt install nvidia-drivers ? |
| 21:50.27 | oxek | gribouille: hence need to play with VIDEO mode too then |
| 21:50.50 | jmcnaught | aLinux`: there are instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers don't skip installing the headers |
| 21:51.33 | oxek | aLinux`: install nvidia-detect package and it will tell you which driver to install |
| 21:51.47 | oxek | you probably need to get nvidia-detect from buster-backports given your card |
| 21:51.53 | aLinux` | ohh cool so i see there is driver 440 |
| 21:52.02 | aLinux` | 450 is latest |
| 21:53.16 | aLinux` | oxek, its buster-backports needed ? |
| 21:54.33 | nvz | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 21:54.34 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 440.100-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.66-1; sid/non-free: 450.66-1 |
| 21:54.47 | oxek | aLinux`: definitely |
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| 21:55.41 | aLinux` | oxek, thank you. should i upgrade kernel ? |
| 21:55.54 | aLinux` | from 4.19 |
| 21:56.01 | oxek | probably not necessary |
| 21:56.34 | aLinux` | im using a destop with 2700x ryzen and 2080ti |
| 21:56.38 | nvz | if you DO use a kernel from backports however, you would also need the headers for that kernel |
| 21:57.11 | nvz | and should also use the firmware-* packages for anything you have that needs such packages from backports |
| 21:57.46 | aLinux` | nvz, i understand. ill keep it stock 4.19 |
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| 22:02.18 | gribouille | does the console use the framebuffer? |
| 22:06.03 | nvz | dpkg, what is fbcon? |
| 22:06.03 | dpkg | i guess fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>. |
| 22:08.45 | gribouille | how can I know if framebuffer is active? |
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| 22:21.36 | blackop | sup |
| 22:21.54 | dvs | psu |
| 22:22.05 | blackop | :p |
| 22:22.07 | dvs | wrong channel! |
| 22:22.17 | blackop | why wrong? |
| 22:22.39 | dvs | !help |
| 22:22.54 | blackop | yelp |
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| 22:32.52 | jhutchins | dvs: What did you need help with? |
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| 22:33.24 | dvs | What's that dire warning about "this is a support channel"? |
| 22:33.34 | blackop | oh |
| 22:33.49 | blackop | i thought i am in offtopic channel lol |
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| 22:40.59 | analogical | how do I find what cluster size a file system is using? |
| 22:42.38 | hassoon | analogical: parted |
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| 22:43.24 | JyZyXEL | dumpe2fs for ext234 |
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| 22:44.11 | analogical | hassoon, would you mind telling me how exactly? :D |
| 22:45.11 | hassoon | analogical: use the parted program to manipulate/analyse/study your storage mediums |
| 22:45.28 | hassoon | apt-get install parted |
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| 22:45.54 | analogical | sure but how do I instruct parted to show the cluster size? |
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| 22:57.45 | nvz | analogical: blkid -i /dev/sda1 |
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| 23:01.43 | analogical | nvz, thanks but the command doesn't display the cluster size |
| 23:02.25 | sponix | analogical: Seems you might have to google it |
| 23:03.49 | analogical | believe me I already have |
| 23:04.53 | nvz | pretty sure logical sector size is the same thing |
| 23:05.19 | analogical | nope |
| 23:07.59 | nvz | well none the less you can fret about teminology all you want but I am fairly certain nothing in this entire OS is going to tell you "cluster size" because nothing calls anything that |
| 23:08.12 | nvz | it uses blocks and physical/logical geometry terminology |
| 23:08.41 | nvz | so whatever metric you're looking for you need to figure out what alternate term you're comfortable with calling it |
| 23:10.29 | nvz | my /dev/sda1 is ext4 and dumpe2fs says block and fragment size is 4096, blkid -i says MINIMUM_IO_SIZE="4096" |
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| 23:10.58 | nvz | I'm reasonably certain if you were to grep the entire source code for everything in debian, you wont find the word cluster used the way you use it anywhere |
| 23:12.57 | nvz | afaik the term cluster as pertains to a filesystem as you use it, means the minimum size or fragment size of data within the filesystem |
| 23:13.02 | nvz | thats exactly what these values are |
| 23:13.10 | nvz | we just don't call it that |
| 23:14.18 | nvz | and the reason we don't use such terms is because we are not so narrowly scoped.. we support a TON of filesystems which all work VASTLY different.. some dont even have a static size like this |
| 23:14.30 | nvz | some dynamically size these "clusters" |
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| 23:15.41 | flayer | nvz, life has gotten nuts |
| 23:15.45 | nvz | I say this because I used and supported windows a long time.. then I found debian and been using and supporting it about as long now.. and I haven't heard that term since I made the switch |
| 23:15.51 | flayer | why does it get so nuts sometimes |
| 23:16.53 | nvz | because sometimes ya feel like a nut, and sometimes you dont :P |
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| 23:21.59 | nvz | actually I'm partially wrong, mke2fs does refer to cluster size :P |
| 23:22.11 | nvz | but none of the other tools for ext2/3/4 do |
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| 23:26.59 | nvz | for shits and giggles figures out which things correspond using a simple test |
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| 23:32.25 | nvz | boggles |
| 23:32.36 | nvz | tries this again |
| 23:37.50 | nvz | ok.. well I stand partially corrected yet again :P |
| 23:38.41 | nvz | cause the output of dumpe2fs will show cluster size if you have bigalloc enabled on the fs and actually specify a cluster size |
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| 23:38.56 | nvz | where if you dont have bigalloc, you can't specify a cluster size, and it shows no such thing |
| 23:39.41 | nvz | my point however stands that this is a logical filesystem level thing and varies significantly based on the filesystem in question |
| 23:40.43 | nvz | thus there probably still can be no way to universally tell cluster size and the fs in question was never specified in this case |
| 23:42.34 | nvz | I figured this all out by creating a 100MB filesystem with mke2fs -O bigalloc -C 8192 and grepping output of all commands for 8192 |
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| 23:43.31 | nvz | and it doesn't in fact have any bearing what-so-ever on the blkid -i output which is all based on the hardware not the filesystem |
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| 23:56.20 | nvz | the key difference however is without the bigalloc, it calls it fragment size |
| 23:56.28 | nvz | with it, it calls it cluster size |
| 23:56.58 | CarlFK | I have a question about: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/germinate/germinate.1.en.html "newest version of each package across all archives will win." which happens on this line: f apt_pkg.version_compare(last_ver, ver) >= 0: |
| 23:57.23 | CarlFK | I am surprised it ignores version requirements. |
| 23:57.31 | nvz | bigalloc also adds "Group descriptor size" and removes "Required extra isize" and "Desired extra isize" |
| 23:59.06 | CarlFK | anyone know if there is a new version being worked on that respects and reports the versions of dependence |
| 23:59.41 | nvz | near as I can tell based o wht this tool does, there is no reason for it to consider version |