| 00:01.09 | genr8_ | bah it may be the dang signing thing. |
| 00:04.51 | sponix | this guy spent like 2 weeks to get his FDE using Serpent crypto instead of standard AES |
| 00:04.55 | sponix | Just saying |
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| 00:05.55 | genr8_ | I think i figured something out. |
| 00:08.15 | cipherize | sponix: But why? |
| 00:08.30 | sponix | cipherize: security through obscurity -- of course :) |
| 00:11.23 | cipherize | This sounds like the standard security newbie behavior of "secure all the things." |
| 00:17.57 | sponix | cipherize: they needed a LOT of help doing it |
| 00:18.19 | sponix | and chances are, their data/os will be so secure even they can't get into it after a while :P |
| 00:18.21 | cipherize | This is the same person to claim 20 years of experience in infosec. |
| 00:19.02 | genr8_ | no, thats me. he's referring to another person. |
| 00:21.02 | sponix | cipherize: not sure, I didn't record any claims :) |
| 00:21.16 | sponix | cipherize: I just did a fair bit of Google on their behalf to help them out |
| 00:21.29 | cipherize | sponix: This was said just a bit earlier. |
| 00:21.44 | genr8_ | you're both confused. |
| 00:23.36 | cipherize | My backscroll, however, is not. |
| 00:23.52 | genr8_ | your comprehension is. you're talking about different people. |
| 00:24.09 | cipherize | Unless someone else is using your nick, I assure you that I am not. |
| 00:24.21 | genr8_ | then sponix is |
| 00:25.45 | genr8_ | idk how much clearer to make this. more than 1 person is allowed to compile a kernel. |
| 00:26.27 | genr8_ | I started 3 hours ago, not 2 weeks. |
| 00:27.09 | cipherize | sponix wasn't talking about you compiling a kernel. he was talking about you and setting up FDE. |
| 00:27.44 | sponix | cipherize: lol... the FDE person was on spotchat #LinuxMint-help |
| 00:27.50 | sponix | Not here |
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| 00:30.01 | cipherize | 20:04 <sponix> this guy spent like 2 weeks to get his FDE using Serpent crypto instead of standard AES |
| 00:30.09 | cipherize | Guess there was something lost in context, here. |
| 00:30.38 | sponix | cipherize: Yeah.. the "this guy" in that wasn't meant to define genr8_ |
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| 00:31.02 | sponix | only thing they have in common is very time consuming security practices |
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| 00:39.49 | genr8_ | ok I figured out my issue. "ABI has changed. Refusing to continue" |
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| 01:03.11 | Sark | So, I've got a bug I've been chasing for a while, and it's really, really, really getting irritating. I can't figure out why my middle mouse button doesn't work correctly. |
| 01:03.23 | Sark | And everything I know about Linux input devices has changed recently, so I'm kinda lost. |
| 01:04.03 | Sark | If I open xev, and click the middle mouse button, nothing registers until I release it. Then I get both a press and release event in quick succession. |
| 01:04.09 | Sark | The left and right buttons behave as normal. |
| 01:04.27 | Sark | I've tried three different mice, it's not the hardware. This also happens on at least one other computer. |
| 01:05.12 | Sark | I'm lost and don't know where to begin to troubleshoot this. |
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| 01:34.09 | gry | Sark: does it middle click to do the tasks that you usually middle click for? |
| 01:34.21 | gry | Sark: i.e. middle click to paste, or to do whataever else you wanted |
| 01:34.22 | sponix | ,v firefox-esr |
| 01:34.24 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.11.0esr-1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: |
| 01:34.25 | judd | 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; sid: 78.2.0esr-1 |
| 01:34.51 | gry | Sark: i'm just asking to check whether it is only "middle click does not show in xev" issue, or "middle click does not click, and also it does not show in xev" |
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| 01:36.02 | Sark | gry: Middle click behaves exactly as it does in xev in everything. |
| 01:36.21 | gry | Sark: meaning "it does not click" ? |
| 01:36.34 | Sark | It makes it impossible for me to open the Window Ops menu in the gui, and I can't bring up one of the menus in xterm. |
| 01:36.41 | gry | Ah. |
| 01:36.48 | Sark | It clicks for an instant as soon as the button is released. |
| 01:36.49 | gry | Did it work for you in this system before? |
| 01:36.53 | Sark | But impossible to click and hold. |
| 01:37.13 | Sark | It hasn't worked in any of the current Debian installs I have going. |
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| 01:37.36 | Sark | It worked before, but I was on the previous release (or possibly older). With the same mice. |
| 01:38.13 | Sark | I finally replaced my last old install machine with a new 64 bit computer, fresh install of current stable Debian - same mouse and keyboard I had before. |
| 01:38.17 | Sark | And I'm fighting with it. |
| 01:38.49 | gry | what desktop environment is it broken in? |
| 01:38.51 | genr8_ | mine works |
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| 01:39.28 | Sark | This is twm. |
| 01:39.31 | Adioins | reinstall the Desktop environment? |
| 01:39.42 | Sark | It's happening on more tha one machine though. |
| 01:39.44 | gry | and do you have an xorg.conf or you didn't create it? |
| 01:39.50 | Sark | And there isn't much to reinstall. |
| 01:39.51 | gry | twm on all of these machines? |
| 01:39.54 | Sark | Yes. |
| 01:40.05 | gry | does it also happen in another wm such as wmaker? |
| 01:40.26 | Sark | I didn't have to manually create an xorg.conf since the new stuff uses xrandr and I don't have to manually configure xinerama for multi monitor support. |
| 01:40.35 | Sark | This is just as-installed, un messed-with :) |
| 01:40.35 | gry | okay this is good, thank you |
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| 01:49.53 | Mazhive | why dont i have no permission as user on running xinit after fresh install without gdm |
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| 01:55.05 | Sark | gry: OK, I'm doing some more testing, and I went and rounded up more mice to try. The three I'd tried before all still don't work (two identical Sun mice and a Logitech, all USB). |
| 01:55.25 | Sark | But then when I use an old Logitech PS/2 mouse with a converter to USB... that one works correctly. |
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| 01:56.07 | Sark | And I found a Microsoft USB mouse, and *that* one works too - the odd thing about that one is that it's only a two button mouse, but it has a scroll wheel that can be clicked as a button. |
| 01:56.15 | Sark | That one works correctly. |
| 01:56.44 | Sark | So somehow Linux is screwing up the input layer for the Sun and Logitech USB mice? How do I see which input driver is getting used here? |
| 01:57.05 | Sark | There is no /var/log/Xorg.log like I would expect there to be. |
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| 02:37.05 | nvz | you're missing a 0 and another period |
| 02:38.26 | nvz | its /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:43.26 | x033gg | need help got conky working and i love it, but i cannot seem to get it to display only on the desktop it keesp showing conky over firefox , irc, any IDE i have running im using XFCE4 |
| 02:44.23 | nvz | well, a good wm would let you set it to any layer you want.. but idk that one of those exists anymore :-/ |
| 02:44.33 | nvz | investigates conky and xfwm4 |
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| 02:46.58 | nvz | meh.. gotta reboot this machine I seem to have made a series of mistakes.. shutting down when I meant to suspend and booting the wrong kernel :P |
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| 02:49.25 | nvz | hmm |
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| 02:49.44 | nvz | when I fire up the xfce vm and install conky and run it, its automatically on the desktop |
| 02:49.48 | nvz | below all other windows |
| 02:50.25 | mcossey | It'll likely have something to do with own_window and own_window_type. I'm having a hard time actually finding the doc options on those, but since it works OOB for vz, maybe try commenting those out if they are set? |
| 02:51.06 | nvz | I ran it from terminal.. |
| 02:51.24 | nvz | shows output identifying the desktop as a subwindow of the rootwindow |
| 02:51.32 | nvz | then says windo type - desktop |
| 02:51.39 | nvz | and then drawing to created window |
| 02:52.19 | mcossey | Looks like those options I mentioned are documented in the man page. |
| 02:52.44 | nvz | https://termbin.com/zskf |
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| 02:54.31 | nvz | since it outputs as such, I'd run it from the terminal as I did and see what it says |
| 02:54.51 | nvz | then of course investigate local configs |
| 02:55.29 | nvz | and perhaps create a dir like ~/conkytest and run "HOME=/home/user/conkytest conky" |
| 02:55.39 | nvz | see if its a config file or not |
| 02:56.05 | nvz | if it still does it with HOME changed, then it'd have to be getting it from somewhere else like dbus or dconf |
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| 03:07.16 | nvz | glad we had this talk :P |
| 03:07.59 | gry | Sark: tried with another vm? |
| 03:08.25 | bn_work | hi, anyone know if PHP v7.4 is available in latest version of deb? |
| 03:08.47 | dvs | ,v php |
| 03:08.48 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; bullseye: 2:7.4+76; sid: 2:7.4+76 |
| 03:09.00 | dvs | bn_work: not in stable |
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| 03:09.40 | Sark | gry: This isn't a vm, I'm running on bare hardware. |
| 03:10.43 | bn_work | dvs: thanks, what is/are considered stable versions? I'm currently on stretch and can upgrade if needed |
| 03:10.59 | bn_work | everything up to buster? |
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| 03:11.16 | dvs | bn_work: buste doesn't have it either |
| 03:11.29 | dvs | buster |
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| 03:11.34 | bn_work | right |
| 03:12.11 | bn_work | dvs: how long has bullseye been in testing? |
| 03:13.12 | dvs | bn_work: Just over a year? Right after buster was released last July |
| 03:13.26 | dvs | !buster |
| 03:13.26 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 03:14.27 | gry | Sark: sorry, i mean another window manager |
| 03:15.17 | bn_work | dvs: how long is the normal test phase? is it trivial to upgrade from stretch to bullseye? |
| 03:15.30 | Sark | Oh, no - I haven't. I don't have any others installed and I'm kinda in the middle of doing a bunch of other stuff, so I don't want to go messing with my X session. |
| 03:15.41 | dvs | !testing |
| 03:15.41 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 03:15.44 | Sark | Especially since if I crash it, there's another bug that keeps me from being able to easily kill X. |
| 03:15.53 | Sark | That's something *else* I need to track down. |
| 03:17.15 | Sark | Since if something in X screws up, I can't kill it with control alt backspace like I should, and if I change to another virtual console with control alt F2, X just goes into never-never land and I can't get it back by hitting control alt F7. |
| 03:18.03 | Sark | So... yeah. There's a lot of seriously hosed up stuff I need to track down. At the moment, I'm fighting with getty, which seems broken in it's own special way. |
| 03:19.28 | Sark | If I spawn a getty process on /dev/ttyUSB0, I get a login prompt like I should. If I hit enter on that terminal, I get the login prompt again - as I should. If I type my user name and hit enter... nothing happens and the whole thing locks up. |
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| 03:27.24 | bn_work | ,v wordpress |
| 03:27.25 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u17; jessie-security: 4.1.31+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 4.7.5+dfsg-2+deb9u6; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.7.5+dfsg-2+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.7.5+dfsg-2+deb9u6; buster: 5.0.10+dfsg1-0+deb10u1; buster-security: 5.0.10+dfsg1-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 5.5.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.5.1+dfsg1-1 |
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| 03:28.38 | jmcnaught | Sark: X might be on tty1 (alt-f1) these days. |
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| 03:31.49 | Sark | tty1 is the console though? |
| 03:31.52 | alex11 | bn_work, FWIW i've inquired about wordpress before and i've gotten mixed responses, some people say the debian package is fine and others say not to use it |
| 03:31.56 | alex11 | do your research |
| 03:32.16 | Sark | I'd try it but I'm in the middle of things and don't want to get locked out of X again! |
| 03:32.17 | bn_work | !buster->bullseye |
| 03:32.41 | alex11 | you want to run debian testing with no official security support and a package like wordpress? risky |
| 03:33.05 | bn_work | alex11: what's wrong with the debian package one? it looks like this box doesn't have it installed through apt though |
| 03:33.25 | alex11 | i think it's just that it's a fast moving target re: security |
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| 03:33.45 | nvz | that is not exactly true |
| 03:33.57 | nvz | in fact sid gets fixes faster than testing |
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| 03:34.24 | nvz | and during a freeze testing can get very messy |
| 03:35.44 | alex11 | i assumed bn_work wanted to install the Stable version of wordpress, initially |
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| 03:36.03 | alex11 | though if they want to update to testing and pull wordpress from sid that may be ok |
| 03:36.21 | bn_work | yeah, I'm not a fan of WP either, I'm trying to see if our web dude will be happy with php 7.3 so I don't have to upgrade to bullseye yet |
| 03:37.46 | bn_work | we're using a stable ver of wp and intend to keep it that way |
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| 03:41.42 | bn_work | anyone here use ufw? |
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| 03:45.32 | gry | someone does |
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| 04:02.53 | bn_work | ,v mariadb |
| 04:02.54 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 04:03.09 | bn_work | ,v maria |
| 04:03.10 | judd | Package: maria on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.5-4; stretch: 1.3.5-4.1; buster: 1.3.5-4.1+b1; bullseye: 1.3.5-4.1+b2; sid: 1.3.5-4.1+b2 |
| 04:03.32 | alex11 | that is not the same thing |
| 04:03.52 | alex11 | ,v mariadb-client |
| 04:03.53 | judd | Package: mariadb-client on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.45-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.23-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.24-2; sid: 1:10.3.24-2; experimental: 1:10.4.14-1~exp1; experimental: 1:10.5.5-1~exp1 |
| 04:04.01 | alex11 | ,v mariadb-server |
| 04:04.03 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.45-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.23-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.24-2; sid: 1:10.3.24-2; experimental: 1:10.4.14-1~exp1; experimental: 1:10.5.5-1~exp1 |
| 04:05.58 | nvz | you can use packages.debian.org and /msg the bots for your personal needs. using them in the channel is for support purposes.. near as I can tell there is no ongoing issue regarding mariadb |
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| 04:08.43 | bn_work | ok, sorry, was just being social :) |
| 04:09.00 | bn_work | thanks alex11, just realized that after querying apt locally |
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| 04:15.44 | bn_work | is there a bot command to do an `apt show foo` to see what actual version of the software is in a given debian package release ver? |
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| 04:16.38 | bn_work | actually, n/m, looks like it doesn't show up in `apt show ...` anyway |
| 04:17.49 | themill | bn_work: that's exactly what judd output above |
| 04:18.18 | bn_work | themill: judd only outputted the package versions? |
| 04:20.19 | themill | that's what you asked for, isn't it? |
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| 04:26.25 | nvz | bn_work: the info (i) command shows the description, size, and other details, and the depends shows the dependencies |
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| 04:26.53 | nvz | apt show does all them.. the info, depends, recommends, suggests, etc.. |
| 04:27.15 | nvz | however it doesnt do it from anything in debian, it does it from your local package cache |
| 04:27.39 | nvz | which may or may not have been gotten from debian, and may or may not be up to date |
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| 04:37.44 | bn_work | ex: mariadb-server 10.1 == mysql v15.1 (at least according to `\s` in mcli |
| 04:37.56 | bn_work | s/mcli/mysql |
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| 04:48.16 | themill | bn_work: that's not the "actual package version". The "actual package version" is the one that apt shows above. The 15.1 is version of mysql it's pretending to be / is compatible with. There's nothing that apt could possibly know to give it that info |
| 04:49.46 | bn_work | themill: that's not what I said |
| 04:50.02 | nvz | well theorhetically it could be in a provides line |
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| 04:53.16 | independent | hi |
| 04:53.55 | alex11 | for packages that reflect your current mirror then apt show foo will be fine; if you want to see package versions in other releases you don't have (testing/sid) there's rmadison from the devscripts package (but devscripts is a ton of dependencies so really, just use packages.debian.org) |
| 04:55.03 | bn_work | does one need to (or should one) reboot in between doing an `sudo apt upgrade` and `sudo apt full-upgrade`? |
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| 04:56.51 | bn_work | or just at the end? |
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| 04:57.16 | nvz | you dont necessarily need to reboot after either |
| 04:57.53 | nvz | but you are free to do either if it make ya happy |
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| 04:58.39 | alex11 | apt install needrestart is a good way to keep abreast of service restarts/reboots (full reboots are generally firmware/kernel updates) |
| 04:58.39 | apt | alex11: okay |
| 04:59.23 | alex11 | for stable you don't usually need full-upgrade unless the notes for the point release (and of course stable -> nextstable upgrades) tell you you need to |
| 05:00.41 | bn_work | alex11: how does needrestart work? do you query it and it just tells you what needs to restarted? |
| 05:00.53 | alex11 | no, it hooks into apt/dpkg |
| 05:01.01 | alex11 | it will automatically run on package upgrades |
| 05:01.12 | khobo | hey guys.. so i'm doing a new debian install |
| 05:01.17 | khobo | i do the guided partitioning |
| 05:01.21 | bn_work | alex11: and restart whatever thing needed it? |
| 05:01.26 | khobo | i get a swap, ext4, ESP |
| 05:01.30 | alex11 | it will generally tell you when it's necessary |
| 05:01.31 | khobo | and then these 2 remainder free spaces |
| 05:01.36 | khobo | 1.0mb and 334kb |
| 05:01.39 | khobo | what's up with the smaller ones? |
| 05:01.42 | bn_work | alex11: ok, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 05:04.37 | bn_work | alex11: I was just following the google info box suggestion on "how to upgrade debian", but I guess https://phoenixnap.com/kb/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster is more accurate? |
| 05:04.54 | alex11 | bn_work, read the official debian release notes |
| 05:04.59 | alex11 | !release notes |
| 05:04.59 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
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| 05:12.20 | genr8_ | the release notes are actually useful to read again |
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| 06:18.13 | independent | Gone https://gitlab.com/ind3p3nd3nt |
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| 06:20.09 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:30.54 | akp55 | how do you get podman stats to work with v2 cgroups on debian? |
| 06:31.32 | nvz | dob1: I haven't really used a -t option in ages unless I have a reason to be specific.. and perhaps its exfat |
| 06:31.44 | nvz | ,i exfat-fuse |
| 06:31.46 | judd | Package exfat-fuse (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: read and write exFAT driver for FUSE. Version: 1.3.0-1; Size: 28.7k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: https://github.com/relan/exfat; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/exfat-fuse |
| 06:33.19 | dob1 | nvz, it isn't, it doesn't mount |
| 06:34.53 | dob1 | nvz, using it on windows it gives me a message that it needs to be formatted, maybe there is nothing... but fdisk found the filesystem |
| 06:35.02 | dob1 | (it's an usb key) |
| 06:35.02 | nvz | dob1: perhaps you should check the kernel messages and use -v and figure out why |
| 06:36.00 | nvz | dob1: so format it then.. |
| 06:36.03 | nvz | @.@ |
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| 06:36.21 | dob1 | nvz, ok but why fdisk find a filesystem on it? |
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| 06:36.44 | nvz | fdisk doesnt find filesystems, and who cares |
| 06:37.07 | dob1 | it finds a partition to be clear |
| 06:37.17 | nvz | so what? |
| 06:38.23 | dob1 | it could be just a partition of type fat32 not any fs on it |
| 06:39.01 | nvz | yeah well you keep contemplating it I guess if that is the kinda thing you fancy.. I'm gonna go actually do something.. |
| 06:40.41 | jelly | dob1, fdisk does not detect filesystems, it reads the partition table. What does "file -s /dev/sda1" say |
| 06:41.08 | dob1 | jelly, /dev/sda1: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with very long lines, with no line terminators |
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| 06:41.36 | jelly | doesn't sound like a valid filesystem |
| 06:42.18 | dob1 | ok so nothing on it |
| 06:42.38 | nvz | this cinnamon roll doesn't sound like a valid filesystem either but I am not gonna get all rolled up about it.. I'm just gonna put some icing on it and eat it |
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| 06:47.46 | n4dir | calling "eat a cinnamon roll" "do something" is strange too, though. |
| 06:50.37 | nvz | well I'm sure not just gonna sit here contemplating why I smell cinnamon and if I should try to mount it |
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| 08:16.45 | genr8_ | joepublic, about the debian kernel compilation. Im now at the point of the signing key issue. certs/signing_key.x509 is 0 bytes, and "sign-file" fails to be able to sign my modules. |
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| 08:17.34 | genr8_ | Ive never done this before, and I want to sign all my modules for use with secure boot. what do I do ? |
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| 08:23.21 | genr8_ | hmmm i think i found the documentation page https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/module-signing.html |
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| 08:40.28 | genr8_ | k. im trying to do too many things at once. recompiling a debian kernel, signing the modules and secureboot.... Im gonna have to figure that all out. |
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| 08:43.58 | Ashleee | hmm trying to install debian sid from pxe on arm64 with custom kernel yields |
| 08:43.58 | Ashleee | Jan 1 00:08:44 anna[2868]: WARNING **: no packages matching running kernel 5.8.10-boinc-arm64 in archive |
| 08:44.09 | Ashleee | even though I supplied my own modules directly injected into the initrd.gz |
| 08:44.17 | Ashleee | so it should not *need* to download any module package |
| 08:44.31 | Ashleee | and it doesn't seem to go past this |
| 08:44.50 | Ashleee | I mean |
| 08:44.51 | Ashleee | ~ # lsmod |wc -l |
| 08:44.51 | Ashleee | 5 |
| 08:44.56 | Ashleee | so loading modules works |
| 08:45.08 | Ashleee | and checking archive mirror works, too, so it has internet connection |
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| 08:46.50 | sponix2ipfw | Ashleee: why not Buster? |
| 08:47.13 | sponix2ipfw | Normal route starts with Buster |
| 08:47.43 | Ashleee | because one app behaves upto 30% nicer with glibc 2.31 :) |
| 08:47.48 | Ashleee | so wanted to try out others |
| 08:47.58 | Ashleee | (also this was amd64 case, so I wanted to try it out on arm64 as well) |
| 08:48.53 | Ashleee | yup repackaging on top of buster initrd it works fine, so the sid's anna behaves a bit different in regards to kernel modules it seems |
| 08:48.56 | Ashleee | kernel modules package |
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| 08:49.48 | sponix2ipfw | So install stable Buster. Then upgrade to Sid. That is the recommended method last I knew |
| 08:50.14 | sponix2ipfw | !Sid |
| 08:50.15 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 08:50.42 | sponix2ipfw | !unstable |
| 08:50.42 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 08:51.04 | Ashleee | gotcha, thanks |
| 08:51.12 | Ashleee | I know the point of testing/unstable :P |
| 08:51.21 | Ashleee | but that's *exactly* why I wanted to try it out :D |
| 08:51.24 | sponix2ipfw | Okay |
| 08:52.17 | genr8_ | maybe theres some kind of command line you need to pass to tell it to stop trying to download |
| 08:52.22 | sponix2ipfw | If you check the topic there is a channel on a different network for sid |
| 08:52.23 | genr8_ | idk how this anna thing works |
| 08:53.07 | genr8_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=anna;dist=unstable |
| 08:53.14 | sponix2ipfw | #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 08:53.42 | genr8_ | seems very problematic with entirely the thing you wanna do. |
| 08:54.16 | sponix2ipfw | genr8_: thus my Buster 1st recommendation |
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| 08:55.10 | genr8_ | well, im as stubborn as him, I would wanna make it work, but it looks like a mess. |
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| 09:00.31 | independent | https://www.mollyeskam.net <= I made this for my crush |
| 09:01.29 | genr8_ | lol i remember |
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| 09:02.02 | genr8_ | Ashleee, https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer-utils/-/blob/master/anna-install |
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| 09:04.28 | independent | https://www.mollyeskam.net |
| 09:05.52 | genr8_ | you're her greatest fan |
| 09:06.04 | Unit193 | independent: Please don't crosspost spam. |
| 09:06.05 | Miles8of9 | quite bad layout.... looks like end '90 site... :| |
| 09:06.59 | genr8_ | luckily she'll never notice. just us nerds |
| 09:07.52 | sponix2ipfw | Unit193: hey |
| 09:08.27 | sponix2ipfw | Don't you ever sleep? |
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| 09:16.05 | Unit193 | sponix2ipfw: Sure. |
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| 09:17.25 | TTT | hi, I'm playing XCOM-2 (2016 game) on Debian/Sid/XFCE, and it crashes if I switch to a different workspace. I run it windowed. If I just switch to different app on same workspace, that's fine. Different workspace=crash. This isn't the first game I noticed doing this. Compositor is disabled. Any ideas how to fix that? |
| 09:17.32 | TTT | google isn't much helpful |
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| 09:18.15 | TTT | I'm on AMD hardware (3700X+5700XT) |
| 09:19.05 | RadoS | TTT, maybe #xorg? |
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| 09:19.48 | TTT | I'll try with compositor enabled, see how that goes..., then #xorg |
| 09:20.04 | RadoS | TTT, happens with other WMs, too? |
| 09:20.49 | TTT | I haven't tried to be frank |
| 09:21.08 | TTT | thing is I like XFCE, so I'm unlikely to switch, I need to make this work with XFCE |
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| 09:22.32 | RadoS | But helps for the cause. |
| 09:23.16 | TTT | ok, I'll give another DE a go just to see if this is XFCE specific. |
| 09:24.11 | RadoS | nods. |
| 09:27.05 | HelloShitty | sponix: |
| 09:27.19 | HelloShitty | I guess the ssh attacks alreay came back |
| 09:28.51 | HelloShitty | yesterday I removed btmp file an it's back today |
| 09:29.04 | HelloShitty | but there's much content in it |
| 09:29.13 | HelloShitty | I'll wait some more time |
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| 09:30.20 | hegemoOn | is there a good documentation about advanced debian repository and setup ? |
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| 09:36.03 | jelly | hegemoOn, advanced compared to? What have you read so far |
| 09:36.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell hegemoOn about own repo |
| 09:36.41 | TTT | ok, enabling compositor doesn't help. Workspace switch still kills the game. I'll try a different DE at some point, right now I have too much stuff open to log out and log back in |
| 09:36.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell hegemoOn about reprepro |
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| 09:39.22 | hegemoOn | i have a lot of ign:1.... |
| 09:39.28 | hegemoOn | when doing an apt update |
| 09:39.31 | hegemoOn | i would like to know why |
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| 09:40.15 | gry | can you share it to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:40.27 | hegemoOn | no |
| 09:40.43 | hegemoOn | is it reporting that it's ignoring certificates as requested ? |
| 09:40.57 | hegemoOn | gry im in closed environment cannot export data |
| 09:41.17 | hegemoOn | im currently irciing with private laptop tethered with my mobile |
| 09:43.01 | sponix2ipfw | HelloShitty: seems fail2ban might be a good idea |
| 09:43.22 | HelloShitty | I guess so |
| 09:43.38 | HelloShitty | I think I'll spend sometime today learning a bit about it |
| 09:44.32 | hegemoOn | jelly:understanding sub topic concept |
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| 09:45.51 | sponix2ipfw | HelloShitty: I have to get some sleep. But will check back in later |
| 09:46.08 | HelloShitty | sure, no problem |
| 09:46.34 | HelloShitty | thank you |
| 09:46.47 | sponix2ipfw | HelloShitty: you can /msg me if needed. |
| 09:47.31 | jelly | hegemoOn, perhaps an expert here is willing to help in private. I wouldn't expect a lot of free help in public when you cannot show debug info in public as well |
| 09:48.15 | RadoS | TTT, VMs? |
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| 09:48.49 | hegemoOn | jelly:no worry |
| 09:49.00 | hegemoOn | thank you for your help |
| 09:49.32 | jelly | Ign lines do not have to mean there are problems |
| 09:49.58 | jelly | context matters |
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| 10:03.03 | TTT | RadoS, ok, on advice from #xfce, I tried using a different WM (marco --replace), game still crashes. nothing in ~/.xsession-errors. I had same thing happen with another game, Dominus Galaxia early versions |
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| 10:07.57 | TTT | ok, it's not just workspace switch, if I minimize the window, and unhide it again, same problem- game freezes |
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| 10:14.17 | bn_work | ok, so preparing to upgrade from stretch to buster but what is the recommended way to deal with https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names ? It mentions two commands to check for affected files, but then what? Is just using sed to update them all pre-upgrade the correct action? |
| 10:15.12 | ratrace | bn_work: you want to keep ethX instead of getting the new "predictable" names? |
| 10:15.28 | independent | Gone https://gitlab.com/ind3p3nd3nt |
| 10:16.39 | eb0t_ | test |
| 10:17.03 | bn_work | ratrace: not sure... the only files that seem to be affected are files in /etc/network (wouldn't those be auto-updated?) and /etc/mail/... + /etc/fail2ban/action.d/... (for actions I don't use) |
| 10:17.25 | bn_work | (mail for MTA) |
| 10:18.01 | ratrace | bn_work: what do you _want_ to achieve? I prefer keeping ethX, so I use net.ifnames=0 in the kernel command line. |
| 10:18.46 | ratrace | if you want the new "predictable" naming, you'll have to adjust all your configs where the NIC name is explicitly mentioned. As to which name you'll get after reboot.... that's the uh.... rather unpredictable :)) |
| 10:19.15 | ratrace | there's a way to test with udevadm but if that's remote over ssh and you 100% depend on getting back to the server post reboot, I recommend you keep ethX, and carefuly test new naming scheme first. |
| 10:19.22 | RoyK | IIRC it's predictable, and not "predictable" ;) |
| 10:19.25 | bn_work | ratrace: so just add that to boot line and reboot pre-upgrade? |
| 10:19.33 | RoyK | since ethX can change over time |
| 10:19.37 | bn_work | (or after?) |
| 10:19.42 | RoyK | just like sdX |
| 10:19.44 | ratrace | RoyK: it's "predictable" because you can't predict the name in advance |
| 10:20.02 | ratrace | and in some cases the NIC will change the name because something on the bus changed.... |
| 10:20.21 | ratrace | the ACTUAL way to have NIC name constant is to bind it to MAC, which is what I do.... |
| 10:20.38 | ratrace | bn_work: yes |
| 10:20.48 | RoyK | but then the god loki comes in and changes your mac addresess |
| 10:21.11 | bn_work | ratrace: yes, to which? :) |
| 10:21.39 | ratrace | RoyK: or he visits your BIOS and renames your enp3s0 to LULZ666..... really, could you qouote a more unlikely and unplausible case? :/ |
| 10:21.46 | jelly | it's only predictable if your PCI bus never changes... which probably isn't the greatest assumption on VMs |
| 10:22.18 | RoyK | ratrace: not right now, but lookup the nearest bible or some other religion text and you're bound to find one :D |
| 10:22.19 | ratrace | bn_work: yes add net.ifnames=0 to your kernel command line (assuming you have ethX naming scheme) prior to upgrade. BUT you should anyway have a backup way of accessing your server in case something else goes wrong |
| 10:22.30 | ratrace | RoyK: so your argument is moot :) |
| 10:22.39 | RoyK | just trolling |
| 10:22.42 | ratrace | ikr :) |
| 10:22.58 | jelly | PCI bus layout can change with: - BIOS settings - kernel boot params - VM device hot plug, of course |
| 10:23.14 | ratrace | jelly: and, as history has shown, bug in udev where removing a GPU would rename NICs.... |
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| 10:23.34 | ratrace | "You had one job...." |
| 10:24.31 | RoyK | the mac address should be rather stable, though |
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| 10:28.06 | jelly | we deploy and boot our VMs with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" |
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| 10:28.58 | jelly | cloning a VM (say, to make a new test env) changes all the MAC addresses; the order is not affected, so eth0 stays eth0 |
| 10:29.36 | ratrace | jelly: you can force MACs on VMs |
| 10:29.57 | ratrace | infact, that's what I do to ensure stability of MACs on the same host bridge |
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| 10:30.17 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 10:30.29 | ratrace | defined by config automation, the MACs are predictable, consistent and unique. |
| 10:30.31 | SanchoPensa | can anybody tell me, where e-book reader stores it's bookmarks? |
| 10:30.43 | ratrace | what ebook reader..... |
| 10:30.57 | Haohmaru | somewhere in your home dir? |
| 10:31.03 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: e-book reader e-book reader :D |
| 10:31.17 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: you win 10 internets for the most vague question in 2020 so far! |
| 10:31.34 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: oh! e-book VIEWER, my bad! |
| 10:32.01 | ratrace | you're still winning! |
| 10:32.21 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: dude. That is, what the apps name is. what else can I tell you? |
| 10:32.24 | Haohmaru | my nose is starting to tell me this might be some gnome program |
| 10:32.39 | Haohmaru | SanchoPensa gnome? |
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| 10:33.04 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: dunno... apt-cache searched for ebook readers, and that's what I got... |
| 10:33.08 | TTT | RadoS, ok, I disabled vsync in the game, and now it works fine. Strange but it is what it is. |
| 10:33.22 | Haohmaru | SanchoPensa i mean, what's your desktop.. gnome or something else? |
| 10:33.24 | bn_work | jelly: why `biosdevname=0` too? |
| 10:33.31 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: xfce |
| 10:33.41 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: whatever the app name, Haohmaru's answer is the correct one, somewhere in your ~/. Consult the specific program documentation and/or config to find where exactly. |
| 10:34.00 | Haohmaru | SanchoPensa check the program's "About" dialog (if any) |
| 10:34.21 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: that program does not have any documentation, neither does it have any settings... |
| 10:34.29 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 10:34.32 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: nope, no such thing... |
| 10:35.20 | Haohmaru | look up the program name in the taskmanager or so |
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| 10:36.15 | Haohmaru | or open your home dir and start looking at the hidden folders |
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| 10:36.27 | bn_work | oh, how convenient mine already has `net.ifnames=0` set :) |
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| 10:36.53 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: I already did that before asking here... |
| 10:36.57 | ratrace | if it's a badly written program, it'll have ~/.something/... , and if it's a well written program, it'll use ~/.config/... or ~/.cache/... or ~/.local/... |
| 10:37.14 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: you can strace the program and find out exactly which files it touches and in what way |
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| 10:37.51 | Haohmaru | it may also not write anything, who knows |
| 10:37.51 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: that an idea! :) |
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| 10:38.39 | bn_work | jelly: oh, I guess that's to ignore any name changing shenanigans at the BIOS level |
| 10:38.44 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: it does. Since it can remember the bookmarks, when I re-open a closed doc. It does, however not save them IN the doc, since they are gone, when I move that doc to another location... |
| 10:39.26 | Haohmaru | some programs do similar things be creating a file with almost the same name as the input document, in the same folder |
| 10:39.42 | Haohmaru | thus there may be no single folder with these |
| 10:40.31 | Haohmaru | so check for a hidden ".my_fancy_document.whatever" in the same place as the original file |
| 10:40.59 | ratrace | jelly: biosdevname is not a kernel control? |
| 10:41.12 | ratrace | from what I see, it's some RedHat something something requiring a daemon? |
| 10:41.49 | ratrace | Haohmaru: "bookmarks" would imply a persistent configuration/cache/storage somewhere |
| 10:43.03 | Haohmaru | ratrace certain audio editting program generates a preview of your audio (which takes time) and saves it next to the original file with an extra file extension for next time |
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| 10:43.35 | Haohmaru | thus you get these files all over the place |
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| 10:45.01 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: I of course already did that. |
| 10:45.37 | ratrace | Haohmaru: that's terrible if they do that |
| 10:46.15 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: exactly. strace is the wrong weapon of choice, though, produces some 31.000 lines of output, that, for some reason, that I cannot quite understand, cannot be grepped.... |
| 10:46.15 | ratrace | unless those are short-living transient files? but then I'm not really a fan of what .vim and libreoffice do, just like that |
| 10:46.41 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: wasn't there some file command, that also just shows the open files of a certain app? |
| 10:46.46 | SanchoPensa | or some lsof? |
| 10:46.53 | Haohmaru | ratrace they stay there, so that next time you load that same file - it doesn't have to re-generate that thing |
| 10:47.00 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: you're using it wrong then. you can either limit the strance syscall filter with -e, or use an ouput file, grep, and look for "open" |
| 10:47.02 | Haohmaru | it's for the graphical preview of the sound |
| 10:47.09 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: yes, quite right, lsof |
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| 10:47.29 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: i would very much appreciate a solution, as you described it, since I tend to move docs, that I have read... |
| 10:47.56 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: find your program's PID and use that for lsof -p |
| 10:47.59 | Fox | SanchoPensa: strace with 2>&1, then you'll be able to grep |
| 10:48.15 | ratrace | Fox: or even better, use -o |
| 10:48.19 | Fox | sure |
| 10:48.23 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: Fox thanks, guys! |
| 10:48.30 | ratrace | esp. if there's forking involved, so you need -f as well |
| 10:49.56 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: just keep in mind that the program could've opened and closed files transiently so they don't appear in lsof. |
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| 10:53.21 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: which appears to be the case... https://pastebin.com/qGPhhLji |
| 10:53.32 | SanchoPensa | for f***'s sake... :D |
| 10:55.30 | Haohmaru | i can't tell wut the name of the program is from that x_x |
| 10:55.36 | Haohmaru | "calibre" ? |
| 10:55.58 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: whats cat /proc/5505/cmdline ? |
| 10:57.20 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: now that is one hell of a command! returns: /usr/bin/python2.7/usr/bin/ebook-viewer/media/me/BackStick/Psychology/Habits/[ FreeCourseWeb.com ] Unleash Your Badass Business - the ultimate workbook for manifesting the money and life you crave/[ FreeCourseWeb.com ] UnleashYourBadassBusinesst-LaurenElizLove.epub |
| 10:57.47 | ratrace | ,v calibre |
| 10:57.48 | judd | Package: calibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.39.1+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.39.1+dfsg-3; buster-backports: 3.48.0+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4.99.12+dfsg+really4.23.0-1; sid: 4.99.12+dfsg+really4.23.0-1 |
| 10:57.49 | SanchoPensa | does not return open files, though... |
| 10:58.16 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: https://calibre-ebook.com/help start here, find configs, settings, paths, .... |
| 10:58.30 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: will do, thanks! |
| 10:58.31 | ratrace | use strace or contact devs for help. I doubt we can do anthing more than that here. |
| 10:58.54 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: I needed cmdline to find the package, not find open files.... |
| 10:59.21 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: that just occurred to me, when you asked judd... |
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| 11:01.14 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: Haohmaru: says in the documentation: When viewing EPUB format books, these bookmarks are actually saved in the EPUB file itself. |
| 11:01.18 | SanchoPensa | roflol |
| 11:01.26 | SanchoPensa | F*** no, they aren't? :D |
| 11:01.59 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: find ~/ -name '*clippings*' |
| 11:02.26 | Haohmaru | SanchoPensa i thought of that too, but it was too aggressive sounding |
| 11:02.29 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: returns nothing, unfortunately... |
| 11:02.45 | SanchoPensa | :D |
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| 11:03.01 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: well then.... Use the Source, Luke.... https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/blob/fcdcf1bc8414f03ad917dd9c65eb002f10973c4f/src/calibre/devices/kindle/bookmark.py |
| 11:03.23 | bn_work | alex11: is it ok to let needrestart restart dbus.service? |
| 11:04.40 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: DUUUDE! :D hwo'd you find that so fast?? |
| 11:05.12 | Haohmaru | aww, is it written in SNEK language? x_x |
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| 11:05.30 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: that particular module might not be the one though. There's numerous places where bookmarks are mentioned in the source code, and there doesn't seem to be one way to manage them |
| 11:05.45 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: but... that's your place to look for them. |
| 11:06.05 | Haohmaru | isn't there another program that can open these files? (preferably a better one) |
| 11:06.06 | ratrace | I'm still betting that strace would've shown you exactly which files it's touching, so you can deduce. |
| 11:06.20 | gry | SanchoPensa: there are many factors involved, maybe a bigger screen or more thinking a bit deeper |
| 11:06.35 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: I am afraid, you are right again, that class py doesn't give it away either... |
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| 11:07.35 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: you are certainly right about strace too, only haven't figured out yet, how to use it properly, in order to get a usable result... |
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| 11:08.43 | SanchoPensa | gry: currently there is also a thinking deeper involved, in how far it is actually gonna help me with my issue to find out, where the bookmarks are stored. |
| 11:08.43 | SanchoPensa | And that would be, how to take them along, when I move the document... |
| 11:08.47 | efloid | bn_work: it should be |
| 11:09.05 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: strace -f -o calibre.strace.txt <command to run calibre> ; then do something with the bookmarks int he program, and exit; grep calibre.strace.txt for occurences of "open" | grep "/home/me/" | less and see what pops up |
| 11:09.36 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: brilliant, thanks, bro! |
| 11:10.00 | ratrace | I'm not a "bro" |
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| 11:12.20 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: you a "sis"? |
| 11:12.40 | ratrace | neither. just don't assume. |
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| 11:15.57 | SanchoPensa | puts alot of tmp files in here: /home/me/.cache/calibre/ev/ |
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| 11:16.37 | SanchoPensa | and deletes them after you close ebook-viewer. So the bookmarks are NOT in there. |
| 11:16.55 | SanchoPensa | I think, this is the time, where I will really address the author. |
| 11:17.16 | SanchoPensa | Thank you very much for your help, ladies and gentlemen, as always very much appreciated! |
| 11:17.26 | ratrace | yw |
| 11:17.56 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: I don't know the .pub format, but btw, maybe bookmarks are stored inside them? does the file update mtime timestamps when you open it and manage bookmarks? |
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| 11:19.05 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: the help text of the calibre page would suggest, that as a matter of fact it DOES save them inside the .epub. |
| 11:19.05 | SanchoPensa | Problem is, they are gone, once I move that file. Which sort of doesn't add up... |
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| 11:20.29 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: yes, it DOES update the time-stamp, once I create a bookmark. |
| 11:20.49 | SanchoPensa | why the hell are they gone then, once I move the document?!? |
| 11:21.11 | ratrace | wild idea, but maybe they're hostname specific inside the epub file? |
| 11:21.29 | ratrace | like a dict of bookmarks tied to a hostname, or username, or I don't know.... |
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| 11:24.48 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: I am moving them to another HDD on the same device, so, it would have to hard-code the HDD. But the fact, that the bookmarks are still gone, once I move the file back to it's original location, would argue against that... |
| 11:25.33 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: could it be some kind of inbuilt "safety", that deletes YOUR bookmarks, in case you spread that file, in order not to give away personal information...? |
| 11:26.17 | ratrace | no idea |
| 11:26.25 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: beats me too. |
| 11:26.30 | Haohmaru | bruh, i thought .pdf is bad |
| 11:26.32 | SanchoPensa | I will write to the author. |
| 11:26.51 | ratrace | Haohmaru: maybe it's not the format but just bad reader |
| 11:27.00 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: It is certainly not as bad as pdf... :D |
| 11:27.01 | Haohmaru | isn't there others?! |
| 11:27.14 | SanchoPensa | agree with ratrace |
| 11:27.24 | Haohmaru | perhaps something not written in SNEK |
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| 11:30.01 | SanchoPensa | oh gosh... no way of contacting that brother, exept by registering yet another forum. |
| 11:30.04 | SanchoPensa | I give in. |
| 11:30.26 | SanchoPensa | ok, thanks once more! and have a nice one! |
| 11:30.28 | ratrace | Haohmaru: Y U HATE SNEK |
| 11:30.38 | Haohmaru | coz i'm snek-o-phobic |
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| 11:33.27 | jelly | sssSssssssSSs |
| 11:34.11 | Haohmaru | runs away from jelly |
| 11:34.37 | cipherize | All of my minecraft gameplay tells me to do the same thing. |
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| 11:43.39 | alex11 | http://bash.org/?400459 |
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| 11:55.22 | jelly | Haohmaru, there is actually a https://github.com/keith-packard/snek |
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| 11:55.59 | Haohmaru | trying to trick me into a snek-nest? |
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| 12:07.20 | einfair | On the page https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/linux-image-amd64 i don't understand why package of version 5.8.10 depends on 5.8.0 |
| 12:08.43 | einfair | in general, I want a short instruction on how to update kernel from stable to a recent one (>= 5.6) |
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| 12:10.21 | n4dir | debian-backports, einfair |
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| 12:14.52 | einfair | I already read that debian-backports is a repository with binary packages, which contain new software compiled for stable release. But I don't understand how to use this information and how it answers my question |
| 12:15.37 | alex11 | they mean you can use the kernel from backports |
| 12:15.40 | Haohmaru | if you're running debian stable, you may install newer versions of things from "backports" (if there are any) |
| 12:15.43 | Haohmaru | !backports |
| 12:15.43 | alex11 | backports.debian.org has instructions |
| 12:15.43 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:16.21 | n4dir | einfair: you are asking for a kernel >= 5.6, and backports has it. |
| 12:17.39 | centrix | My D10 says nginx-common is not installed, but "dpkg -L nginx-common" returns its file list that actually exists on the disk. |
| 12:17.54 | centrix | apt-get remove nginx-common |
| 12:18.38 | alex11 | file list... like /etc? have you tried purge instead of remove |
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| 12:19.56 | Adions | Hello.I installed Debian on Macbook Pro, but the fonts of the startup part of the program are so small that it is not clear. My current resolution is 2880x1880.How can I solve it? |
| 12:20.42 | alex11 | not sure what "startup part of the program" means but maybe xrandr |
| 12:21.49 | centrix | alex11, yes. To top it off, I run "dpkg -l|grep -i nginx" expecting nothing, but getting a bunch of nginx related packages (linginx-mod-http-echo for instance). |
| 12:21.53 | Adions | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.23 | alex11 | i guess you can try apt autoremove centrix |
| 12:22.44 | centrix | I dod so. Still, when I do apt-get remove libnginx-mod-http-echo I get that no such package installed. |
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| 12:27.07 | einfair | alex11: I used instructions from page https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . I modified file /etc/apt/sources.list . Then I did apt-get update . But the command apt-get -t buster-backports install "linux-image" says |
| 12:27.19 | einfair | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.29 | alex11 | if you're on amd64 try linux-image-amd645 |
| 12:27.31 | alex11 | 64 |
| 12:27.50 | centrix | alex11, I tried: apt-get purge --auto-remove packagename |
| 12:27.56 | centrix | That seems to work. |
| 12:28.02 | alex11 | interesting |
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| 12:28.41 | centrix | However, installing the nginx package, the nginx user account does not get created. Why? |
| 12:29.05 | centrix | Is the account creation provided by another package? |
| 12:30.17 | ksk | centrix: are you an experienced linuxuser? if not, please nopaste the following: |
| 12:30.21 | ksk | dpkg -l | grep nginx |
| 12:30.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep nginx |
| 12:30.25 | ksk | apt-cache policy nginx |
| 12:30.46 | ksk | oh, this is debian and not #nginx. then: |
| 12:30.47 | ksk | !bat |
| 12:30.47 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:33.24 | einfair | alex11: it worked, now uname -a shows " ... 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1" |
| 12:33.33 | einfair | alex11: thanks |
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| 12:38.23 | alex11 | i'm not sure centrix is going to know what nopaste is |
| 12:38.38 | alex11 | if you have access to xorg (ie a graphical browser) just stick that stuff on paste.debian.net |
| 12:39.33 | centrix | alex11, ??? We talked about nginx. |
| 12:40.14 | centrix | alex11, So far so good. |
| 12:40.37 | alex11 | yes, ksk wants output but says "nopaste", which is a specific thing, and i'm saying that most users might not know what that is |
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| 12:40.48 | alex11 | if everything works to your satisfaction then you don't need to post output |
| 12:41.31 | centrix | Thanks. My other server was installed by another admin and reconfigured to run under a different account. None said so ... |
| 12:41.51 | centrix | I installed, but defaultly it runs as www-data ... |
| 12:42.41 | centrix | No problem there. I was just wondering why ... I have to create the account manually and reconfigure in its conf etc. |
| 12:42.48 | centrix | Thanks. So far so good :) |
| 12:44.11 | ksk | !paste |
| 12:44.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 12:46.45 | Fahrradkette | hi everybody. I'd like to install bullseye on a new laptop which doesn't have an ethernet adapter and its wifi adapter requires a non-free binary blob from intel. Where do I put the firmware binaries (or the deb packet or the tar file?) on the to-be installed system(running busybox)? |
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| 12:53.35 | Fahrradkette | or asked differently: where does debian-installer look for removable drives? |
| 12:53.41 | ksk | Fahrradkette: use the non-free install images |
| 12:54.02 | ksk | or build your own image, using official plus drivers ( I dont know how that works) |
| 12:54.19 | ksk | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 12:55.49 | Fahrradkette | is there a netinstall one? the others are like 5gb big |
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| 12:57.02 | ksk | there should be, yes. |
| 12:57.15 | oxek | regarding the unofficial cd images that contain firmware - are they built in the same environment on the same machines as the official ISOs? Or are they just random images submitted by unknown people? |
| 12:57.27 | oxek | kinda like AUR |
| 12:57.42 | ksk | Fahrradkette: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:58.08 | dvs | ksk: but that's not testing |
| 12:58.15 | ksk | There is no testing image. |
| 12:58.25 | ksk | the "testing image" is for testing installer. not installing debian testing.. |
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| 13:01.10 | Fahrradkette | so should I go for sid instead of bullseye? |
| 13:01.28 | n4dir | there is no sid installation iso either |
| 13:02.00 | n4dir | wether to use sid or testing is a deep question though. The show is on |
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| 13:02.52 | Fahrradkette | so https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20200920-3/amd64/iso-cd/ is the wrong image? |
| 13:03.10 | n4dir | looks like i was wrong. Sorry, and a lot of it. |
| 13:03.10 | cipherize | Fahrradkette: Any reason why you don't want to use stable? |
| 13:03.52 | Fox | Fahrradkette: why don't you install stable and upgrade to testing later ? |
| 13:03.57 | n4dir | in general there is no sid iso. I simply didn't know the firmware images have it. But still: sorry |
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| 13:04.16 | Fahrradkette | cipherize: I thought on really new hardware, one shouldn't go for stable |
| 13:04.31 | cipherize | Fahrradkette: Depends on what "really new" means, I suppose. |
| 13:04.50 | Fahrradkette | released like 2months ago (one of the hp ryzen probooks) |
| 13:05.54 | epitamizor | anyone using picom on xorg |
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| 13:10.51 | esters | Good day, is there a method or way I can get a kernel dump or see what is causing my machine to crash to the extent that neither keyboard nor monitor is responding? Thanks! |
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| 13:12.59 | Fahrradkette | esters: there is some sort of "break key combinations" to deal with that, can't remember how it was called, I'm afraid |
| 13:13.13 | Fahrradkette | or SysReq |
| 13:13.17 | Fahrradkette | was it |
| 13:13.49 | Fahrradkette | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 13:14.37 | esters | Fahrradkette: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_alt_sysrq_key |
| 13:15.40 | Fahrradkette | yeah, this one :) |
| 13:16.44 | esters | I will try to reproduce the issue, but it seems that it only occurs when KVM is running |
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| 13:22.27 | ratrace | esters: are you looking for an actual dump you can use gdb on, or just the panic trace? |
| 13:23.09 | ratrace | the sysrq mentioned above has nothing to do with dumps, it only allows you to force a graceful reboot, in case of machine hangs |
| 13:23.58 | ratrace | (I mean, you can technically force otherwise non-panicking kernel dump via sysrq, but I don't think that's what you wanted) |
| 13:24.09 | esters | ratrace: I would like to see what is causing my box to fully lock and be unresponsive |
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| 13:24.21 | ratrace | esters: did you start with the logs from previous boot session? |
| 13:24.49 | esters | ratrace: Unfortunatley no, previous boot sessions are not saved |
| 13:25.05 | esters | Forgot to mention, I am on Debian Stable (10.x) |
| 13:25.12 | ratrace | esters: not saved as you're not saving them, or not saved as in there's logging, but nothing was logged? |
| 13:26.22 | esters | ratrace: nothing, the journalctl -b -1 is empty |
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| 13:26.58 | ratrace | esters: well by default it's not persistent, but also by default it forwards to syslog which would've kept entries in plaintext if they exist |
| 13:27.18 | esters | ratrace: /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 13:27.38 | ratrace | esters: find in /var/log/kernel.log "Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE" and that's the start of boot session, so lines above that are from previous boot session |
| 13:27.57 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox |
| 13:27.58 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 80.0.1-1 |
| 13:28.11 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 13:28.12 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.11.0esr-1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: |
| 13:28.13 | judd | 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; sid: 78.2.0esr-1 |
| 13:28.16 | ratrace | esters: /var/log/kern.log although /var/log/messages will log them too, by default |
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| 13:28.50 | ratrace | (actually I'm not sure of that last thing I said, I modify my rsyslog so I don't know if messages does kern.* by defaulT) |
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| 13:37.31 | esters | ratrace: its empty, the only way i can reproduce is when i launch a kvm instance of kali linux |
| 13:37.44 | aderchox | Hi, there are some packages I want to make but Linux version 5 is needed, are there any consequences to upgrading my Debian's linux kernel to 5? |
| 13:38.01 | aderchox | like this: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-linux-kernel-5-3-on-debian-10-stable/ |
| 13:38.20 | ratrace | esters: then you'll have to tail dmesg in a terminal, see if manages to kprint anything even if it doens't reach the logs. use dmesg -Tw (don't | tail) |
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| 13:38.55 | ratrace | esters: if that fails, maybe getting kernel's serial output might catch any kprints, but.... at this point.... I'd say it's likely there's none, your kernel is hard-crashing due to some hardware issue |
| 13:39.00 | esters | ratrace: What about kdump-tools ? |
| 13:39.21 | ratrace | esters: if you know how to use them, you can produce a dump and then debug it separately, get a trace |
| 13:39.39 | oxek | when I do "export PAGER='less'", and then execute 'man less', I get "Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted". Full output is https://0x0.st/il_h.txt . Using less 551 from debian-backports on debian-stable. |
| 13:41.04 | oxek | and it exits, so I don't get the manpage output |
| 13:41.16 | ratrace | oxek: guess your less config is broken somewhere |
| 13:41.39 | oxek | ratrace: no LESS variables are set, and no .lesskey nor .less files exist either |
| 13:42.03 | ratrace | PAGER=less man less works fine here. PAGER=more man less does too (with more as the pager). |
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| 13:42.33 | esters | ratrace: ok, then its rtfm time |
| 13:43.53 | oxek | ratrace: any idea where the issue might be on my end then? |
| 13:45.11 | ratrace | oxek: check if any of the ENV vars that less is considering, is set |
| 13:45.30 | dka | hi, I have a Synology NAS server I want to use for docker volumes (generally running on a Debian Host), How should I map the users ? I have the choice for SQUASH: 'No mapping', 'Map root to admin', 'Map root to guest', 'Map all users to admin', 'Mao all users to guest'. |
| 13:45.31 | ratrace | oxek: btw.... PAGER=more man less works? you get the manpage with 'more' as the pager? |
| 13:45.48 | dka | I have tried with no mapping and the sound mount command says: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported => what does that mean? |
| 13:45.51 | oxek | yes PAGER=more man less works |
| 13:45.54 | ratrace | dka: that synology thing is running debian buster? |
| 13:46.06 | dka | not at all, it run a custom linux |
| 13:46.18 | dka | the host I am trying to mount the synology volume on is running on debian |
| 13:46.26 | dka | I don't know any synology server running on debian |
| 13:46.28 | ratrace | dka: so then what does your question have to do with $debian? |
| 13:46.40 | dka | because the NFS mount must happen on debian |
| 13:46.53 | dka | I have one NAS (Synology), many debian hosts where I should mount NFS volume to |
| 13:47.05 | dka | I asked here the question => https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63993033/synology-nas-nfs-and-docker-permissions |
| 13:47.09 | ratrace | next time lead with that :) |
| 13:47.31 | dka | I told before (generally running on a Debian host) |
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| 13:47.41 | ratrace | that said, I don't think anyone but you can answer that -- ie. what do you want to achieve exactly |
| 13:47.57 | dka | I bought that NAS server so I can use network storage for docker volumes |
| 13:48.08 | ratrace | dka: no, that wasn't clear enough to mean you're running debian and want to do external nfs mounts |
| 13:48.10 | dka | I want to exploit my NAS and create NFS volumes |
| 13:48.25 | dka | That's the tutorial I have followed |
| 13:48.25 | dka | https://kb.foxblog.fr/knowledgebase/monter-un-repertoire-partage-nfs-dun-nas-synology-sur-debian/ |
| 13:48.30 | nkuttler | wishes he hadn't bought his synology |
| 13:48.36 | dka | But this cmd fail `$ sudo mount x.x.x.x:/volume1/<nom_du_dossier> /media/nas/<nom_du_dossier>` |
| 13:48.41 | dka | mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported |
| 13:49.06 | nkuttler | dka: well, sounds like the client and server versions are mismatched |
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| 13:49.16 | dka | wishes nkuttler express it's opinion |
| 13:49.50 | aderchox | Is it safe to upgrade Debian's Linux kernel to version 5? |
| 13:50.02 | dka | It's sounds a bit not possible, this would mean my new debian install up to date is not compatible with my new synology up to date. I am not counting how many corps use it for such needs |
| 13:50.16 | ratrace | aderchox: it's deemed safe enough to be offered via buster-backports |
| 13:50.27 | dka | aderchox, yes it is, depend on what you are doing but it should be, if you have old drivers which are not ported, you may have to take care of that first |
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| 13:50.29 | nkuttler | aderchox: it works for me. doesn't mean it'll work for you |
| 13:50.49 | aderchox | aha ok thank you |
| 13:50.56 | dka | I use linux 5.7.0 without hassle |
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| 13:51.38 | aderchox | dka thanks |
| 13:52.16 | oxek | aderchox: it works for me on one machine, doesn't on another |
| 13:52.38 | oxek | don't delete your older kernel, so that you can choose it at boot time if boot fails |
| 13:52.57 | aderchox | oxek Sorry I'm a noob, but do you mean it's related to the hardware ? |
| 13:53.18 | oxek | aderchox: it is related to hardware, yes. In my case it is specifically graphics card. |
| 13:53.33 | oxek | on 5.7 I get no graphics output |
| 13:54.05 | aderchox | oxek Aha, so I don't need to be concerned about that, it's Debian standard in my case (without GUI). |
| 13:54.06 | oxek | so I'd say stick to the default stable kernel in debian, unless you absolutely need the newer kernel |
| 13:55.24 | aderchox | I want to make Dahdi-2.10 modules for asterisk but it requires Linux v5 |
| 13:55.41 | aderchox | Or at least that's what I interpret from the error message |
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| 13:55.46 | n4dir | it is safe in so far you always got the old kernel you can boot to if it doesn't work |
| 13:56.10 | n4dir | and if you try to remove the kernel you are using right now you will get a pretty obvious warning, iirc |
| 13:56.34 | ratrace | and afaik there aren't any data corruption bugs like early 4.19 had |
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| 13:57.33 | ratrace | but as a rule, I wouldn't touch new kernel that's younger than 10-15 point releases |
| 13:58.24 | cipherize | You have some bizarre rules. |
| 13:58.51 | n4dir | you should have gotten used to bizarre rules by now ... |
| 13:59.14 | cipherize | Oh, sorry, my hands are stuck in polite mode. I meant "stupid." |
| 13:59.27 | ratrace | cipherize: saved my head wrt ext4/mq corruption in 4.19 |
| 13:59.35 | n4dir | my rule says to stay away 1.5 meters from the kernel. |
| 13:59.43 | n4dir | kernel distancing |
| 13:59.48 | ratrace | but you're free to use whatever you want. if you prefer !sns, maybe debian is not for you. |
| 14:00.13 | aderchox | ratrace I'm not an expert, but I ask just out of curiosity, how come a distribution used by large number of people such as Ubuntu uses the version 5? |
| 14:00.23 | aderchox | Or maybe I misunderstood your point. |
| 14:00.42 | ratrace | aderchox: you probably misunderstood my point. I'm talking about minor kernel releases, whenever a major bump happens |
| 14:01.00 | ratrace | it woulnd't be the first time that a number of point releases are needed to iron out some serious bugs |
| 14:01.13 | dka | What does the last line is supposed to do : https://kb.foxblog.fr/knowledgebase/monter-un-repertoire-partage-nfs-dun-nas-synology-sur-debian/ |
| 14:01.13 | cipherize | aderchox: He has no point. Ubuntu is simply using what was the latest LTS kernel release when the release occurred. |
| 14:01.15 | ratrace | 4.19 was particularly nasty in that regard with a bug that corrupted filesystems |
| 14:01.40 | dka | I added in /etc/fstab => nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA /srv/nas/media nfsrsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr , I restarted debian, i epxected the NFS volume to be mounted, instead, it is not mounted, why? |
| 14:02.44 | ratrace | cipherize: Ubuntu is not bound to LTS kernels like Debian is |
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| 14:03.47 | aderchox | retraced yes sorry I just re-read your message and realized what you meant by point releases :) |
| 14:05.37 | asterismo_l | hi, i recently compiled my own kernel with MPENTIUM4 architecture instead of 486, is there any tutorial on how to compile all system packages the same way? |
| 14:05.56 | cipherize | asterismo_l: One asks why? |
| 14:06.32 | asterismo_l | for fun |
| 14:06.35 | ratrace | asterismo_l: Northwood? |
| 14:06.56 | cipherize | Then perhaps you should do your own research. |
| 14:06.58 | tarzeau | cipherize: some software run measurable much faster with optimized code |
| 14:07.00 | joepublic | I am pretty sure it's not "emerge world" though that may be related |
| 14:07.13 | cipherize | tarzeau: That is a myth, to be quite frank. |
| 14:07.23 | tarzeau | cipherize: that is not true. |
| 14:07.26 | cipherize | tarzeau: Yes, it is. |
| 14:07.27 | ratrace | it's not a myth |
| 14:07.38 | cipherize | The performance difference between 486 and MP4 is within rounding error of zero. |
| 14:07.42 | ratrace | it's just much less of an effect in amd64 as it used to be with 32-bit CPUs of the past |
| 14:07.47 | cipherize | That myth is the entire foundation of Gentoo's existence. |
| 14:07.53 | ratrace | it's far from "entire" |
| 14:08.09 | ratrace | you're generalizing from a few ricers to a whole distro |
| 14:08.26 | ratrace | even gentoo community itself is having a laugh at those ricers, so... yeah, no. |
| 14:08.51 | joepublic | otoh what's wrong with compiling stuff -march native? |
| 14:09.04 | tarzeau | joepublic: nothing, but using what compiler/version? |
| 14:09.16 | joepublic | ,v gcc |
| 14:09.17 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; bullseye: 4:10.1.0-1; sid: 4:10.2.0-1 |
| 14:09.28 | cipherize | The time taken to watch compiler spam fly by will outweigh the collective seconds you MIGHT save from "optimizations." |
| 14:09.37 | ratrace | with AMD64 the differences between CPUs are little so no significant benefit can be gained, EXCEPT when utilizing specific subsets of instructions like AVX512, but generally software utilizing those can autodetect and adapt, so recompiling is less important these days |
| 14:09.40 | tarzeau | matter of software, i rebuild some scientific software opitmized for, and yes it makes a difference |
| 14:10.12 | tarzeau | atlas/blas is an exception? even the README.Debian or README.source says so |
| 14:10.14 | ratrace | for OLDER cpus, it might be needed to recompile as modern packages are built for some minimum instruction set. I think 32-bit debian packages require at least SSE |
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| 14:11.13 | tarzeau | and even more gains with nvidia cuda, vs no nvidia cuda (works not at all, or very slow) |
| 14:11.55 | ratrace | tarzeau: it does make a diference if specific software can utilize specific subsets of the instructoin set and doesn't do run-time autodetection |
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| 14:12.10 | tarzeau | ratrace: true that, no more objections on your sentence |
| 14:12.29 | ratrace | it also provides safer code as not all packages in debian, for example, are built with relro and friends |
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| 14:15.26 | asterismo_l | ratrace, old intel xeon prestonia |
| 14:15.35 | asterismo_l | netburst architecture |
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| 14:17.23 | ratrace | asterismo_l: well, all pentium 4 are netburst based, I just wasn't sure if you typo'd "mpentium4" meaning "pentium 4M" which'd be the mobile variant |
| 14:18.37 | ratrace | also do you know if your variant is capable of 64-bit? |
| 14:24.09 | asterismo_l | there is two variants, pentium4 and mpentium4 |
| 14:24.12 | asterismo_l | Pentium-4/Celeron(P4-based)/Pentium-4 M/older Xeon |
| 14:24.34 | asterismo_l | Select this for: Pentiums (Pentium 4, Pentium D, Celeron, Celeron D) corename: -Willamette -Northwood -Mobile Pentium 4 -Mobile Pentium 4 M -Extreme Edition (Gallatin) -Prescott -Prescott 2M -Cedar Mill -Presler -Smithfiled Xeons (Intel Xeon, Xeon MP, Xeon LV, Xeon MV) corename: -Foster -Prestonia -Gallatin -Nocona -Irwindale -Cranford -Potomac -Paxville -Dempsey |
| 14:24.46 | asterismo_l | Mine is prestonia |
| 14:25.11 | asterismo_l | CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 |
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| 14:25.55 | Haohmaru | ,v solvespace |
| 14:25.56 | judd | Package: solvespace on amd64 -- stretch: 2.3+repack1-2; buster: 2.3+repack1-3+b1; bullseye: 2.3+repack1-4+b1; sid: 2.3+repack1-4+b1 |
| 14:26.10 | dka | I have issue to automount a NFS drive at startup on linux debian. I added in /etc/fstab the volume, but I still needs to mount it after reboot, why? |
| 14:26.14 | ratrace | asterismo_l: so that's 32-bit only then |
| 14:26.20 | asterismo_l | yes |
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| 14:26.45 | asterismo_l | 130 nm lithography |
| 14:27.12 | asterismo_l | i'm setting up an old Dell Precision 530 with dual CPU, Intel Xeon Prestonia |
| 14:27.14 | asterismo_l | year 2001 |
| 14:27.24 | asterismo_l | for some hamradio stuff |
| 14:27.31 | asterismo_l | and 32-bit code |
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| 14:28.39 | asterismo_l | there used to be some dpkg compile world stuff that used to recompile all packages with some arch |
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| 15:09.55 | dka | Why does the network is bring up after network drive from /etc/fstab in default Debian Buster install and how to fix it? |
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| 15:14.52 | ksk | dka: Please try to rephrase your question, suppose I am not the only one having problems reading it.. |
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| 15:19.11 | ratrace | ksk: you most certainly are not |
| 15:19.26 | dka | Does NFS v4.1 is the standard on debian buster? |
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| 15:22.18 | th0r | I think dka is trying to mount an nfs drive in fstab, but it fails because fstab is read before the network is up and running |
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| 15:23.18 | dka | Yes |
| 15:23.21 | ratrace | if that is so, adding x-systemd.after=network-online.target in the mount options should resolve the issue |
| 15:23.22 | dka | That's what I am trying to do : https://saywebsolutions.com/blog/mounting_synology_nas_shared_folder_nfs_ubuntu_16_10 |
| 15:23.36 | ratrace | meanwhile, nfsv4 is supported by the kernel in buster, very much so, yes |
| 15:23.51 | dka | Ok, I have enabled it on my NAS |
| 15:23.57 | dka | This is my /etc/fstab https://termbin.com/gr3r2 |
| 15:23.57 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.11 | dka | but the mount command now fail |
| 15:26.33 | th0r | dka, my (old school) solution was to write a simple bash script to mount the nfs drive and call it from the end of rc.local. But these days with systemd who know? |
| 15:26.34 | dka | On a scale of 1 to 10, how hard is it to mount a NFS drive on debian? just so I reallize why I am having so much pain |
| 15:26.53 | dka | th0r, that's what I am thinking to do, but normally /etc/fstab should do it |
| 15:27.14 | ratrace | dka: adding x-systemd.after=network-online.target in the mount options should resolve the issue on boot |
| 15:28.22 | dka | like in : |
| 15:28.38 | dka | nas:/volume4/DKA_MEDIA /srv/nas/kopaxgroup nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,x-systemd.after=network-online.target ? |
| 15:28.50 | ratrace | yes |
| 15:29.09 | ratrace | dka: on systemd systemd, fstab is converted into proper .mount units with a generator, on boot |
| 15:29.21 | dka | I just rebooted with that settings, just a sec |
| 15:29.27 | ratrace | and with that you can then make mountpoints dependant on services, here dependant on network |
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| 15:29.35 | khobo | so i installed debian last night |
| 15:29.38 | khobo | and the partitions were a little funky |
| 15:29.44 | khobo | any idea why i have 2 smaller free spaces? |
| 15:29.47 | khobo | one is 1.0mb |
| 15:29.50 | khobo | the other is 533kb |
| 15:29.59 | dka | do you really need that space? |
| 15:30.10 | ratrace | khobo: paste them? |
| 15:30.11 | ratrace | !paste |
| 15:30.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 15:30.27 | khobo | hmm i can't paste them bc they're on a different machine |
| 15:30.32 | dka | ratrace the volume is not mounted on restart |
| 15:30.39 | khobo | but i can redo the install |
| 15:30.48 | khobo | which i sort of wanted to do anyways.. so let me get to that |
| 15:31.18 | dka | and that's the logs: https://paste.gnome.org/pb1lvchdc |
| 15:31.30 | dka | Sep 21 17:29:53 master-letort-01 mount[606]: mount.nfs: Network is unreachable <= |
| 15:31.46 | dka | and that's the content of /etc/fstab => https://termbin.com/udtqw |
| 15:31.49 | dka | do you see something wrong here? |
| 15:32.16 | greycat | dka: are you using /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager? If the former, make sure the ethernet interface is marked as auto, NOT as allow-hotplug. |
| 15:32.18 | dka | running moung /srv/nas/kopaxgroup does mount the drive, but I want it to be enabled on reboot |
| 15:32.29 | dka | I use /etc/network/interfaces because it's a server n |
| 15:32.41 | greycat | !auto |
| 15:32.42 | dpkg | Interfaces marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it. |
| 15:33.07 | dka | yes greycat it's written as allow-hotplug |
| 15:33.16 | ratrace | dka: did you have a startjob? can you mount manually after boot? |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | that's the (first) problem, then |
| 15:33.33 | dka | ratrace, yes i can mount manually |
| 15:34.11 | dka | greycat does s/allow-hotplug/auto/g is enough for that interface? |
| 15:34.30 | dka | Please be aware that I am connecting to it by distance, and if I fuck up the network I wont be able to access that server again |
| 15:36.21 | dka | it seems that you can lost the entire system greycat |
| 15:36.24 | ratrace | dka: so you had a startjob? what are the logs saying? |
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| 15:36.41 | greycat | 11:31 dka> Sep 21 17:29:53 master-letort-01 mount[606]: mount.nfs: Network is unreachable <= |
| 15:36.45 | dka | ratrace, I already posted them |
| 15:36.52 | ratrace | oh missed that, thanks |
| 15:37.03 | dka | here they are again : https://paste.gnome.org/pb1lvchdc |
| 15:37.10 | dka | greycat, ? |
| 15:37.17 | joepublic | I am still blocking back on that "set it to auto" step |
| 15:37.58 | dka | I can `sudo sed -i "s/allow-hotplug/auto/g" /etc/network/interfaces` but I am worried about it I can't lost the access to the machine it's not in my LAN |
| 15:38.08 | dka | Is it safe ? |
| 15:38.20 | greycat | Edit the file BY HAND like a HUMAN. |
| 15:38.30 | dka | I can't show you the manipulation like that |
| 15:38.36 | dka | so that's what I will do by hand |
| 15:38.42 | dka | do you confirm it is safe ? |
| 15:38.51 | ratrace | if you make a mountpoint dependent on network-online.target then I wonder if it matters whether it's hotplug or auto. I've had issues with BIND being unable to get DNSSEC keys on boot even though it's scheduled after network-online.target AND the nic is "auto" |
| 15:38.53 | dka | this interface is connected with ethernet, I presume it should be safe |
| 15:39.13 | ratrace | so I was forced to write a simple service that pings ousside the network, and make bind depend on THAT exiting ok. |
| 15:39.14 | dka | but I need a confirmation from an expert |
| 15:39.15 | greycat | if you change the correct instance of "allow-hotplug" to "auto" it is safe. if you do some massive overkill sed -i command, I promise nothing. |
| 15:39.28 | dka | OK , I 'll do it greycat |
| 15:39.58 | dka | I have another interface with allow-hotplug |
| 15:39.59 | greycat | ratrace: there could be other issues as well, but this is *definitely* one of the issues dka is having |
| 15:40.10 | greycat | seen it *so* many times... |
| 15:40.11 | dka | it's the wifi, in the worst case, I can ssh in with that interface |
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| 15:40.25 | greycat | leaving allow-hotplug on wifi is fine |
| 15:40.37 | ratrace | greycat: sure sure, but I mean network can be "unreachable" even with all that. |
| 15:40.42 | greycat | (this is also why you don't sed -i it) |
| 15:40.50 | dka | ratrace, we'll see now if greycat is right &^^ |
| 15:42.09 | ratrace | dka: he is, but what I'm saying is that it may not be sufficient |
| 15:42.48 | dka | [https://termbin.com/cqzz = /etc/network/interfaces], [https://termbin.com/7b98 = /etc/fstab], [https://paste.gnome.org/pmij8jxqq = log] |
| 15:42.55 | dka | And no it doesn't mount on reboot |
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| 15:43.28 | dka | It sounds a bit better, this disappeared: `Sep 21 17:29:53 master-letort-01 mount[606]: mount.nfs: Network is unreachable` |
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| 15:43.38 | dka | and now I only have an access denied |
| 15:44.08 | dka | I can't mount manually anymore, no clue why |
| 15:44.34 | dka | mount logs: https://paste.gnome.org/pb1cexybc |
| 15:44.45 | ratrace | intrusion detection on that NAS thingy temporarily blocking you due to previous failures? |
| 15:44.54 | dka | Nothing change on the NAS server configuration, the only think that change (and that's a non sens) is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:45.14 | dka | ratrace, perhaps, my NAS is a synology and I have no such security settings, weird |
| 15:45.41 | ratrace | I have no idea if and what synology does anything in that regard |
| 15:46.09 | ratrace | but access denied... either your credentials are wrong or the server (NAS) did some blocking |
| 15:46.29 | dka | Why does we need to setup rsize=8192,wsize=8192, and not use rsize=8000,wsize=8000 ? |
| 15:46.47 | dka | I know 8192/1024 = 8, but I tought these was simplified to 1000 |
| 15:47.20 | dka | I have not configured any credentials |
| 15:47.24 | ratrace | dka: because they're factor of 4k or 512b, which is sector size, so you get clean round numbers all the way to the platters |
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| 15:50.35 | khobo | https://imgur.com/undefined |
| 15:50.39 | khobo | https://imgur.com/0qErizc |
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| 15:51.16 | khobo | got it |
| 15:52.29 | ratrace | Loading failed for the <script> with source âhttps://sb.scorecardresearch.com/c2/7770950/cs.jsâ .. lol imgur malware |
| 15:52.53 | ratrace | time to blacklist whole imgur.com now... |
| 15:53.30 | Haohmaru | khobo you're using imgur, post direct links to ze pics |
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| 15:55.15 | JyZyXEL | imgur is just a blank gray page with ublocked firefox :P |
| 15:55.28 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: I wonder why :) |
| 15:56.02 | ratrace | that scorecardresearch.com, I had it on my DNS blacklist for ages, it used to serve malware in the past... quite surprised that imgur is using them. |
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| 15:57.36 | dka | So tested working, as ratrace said, probably a rejection from the NAS that was solve with a short delay |
| 15:57.44 | dka | now I have 100% of success mounting on reboot |
| 15:57.57 | dka | is it because of the combinaison of both the systemd option and the auto iface? |
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| 15:58.41 | ratrace | dka: test and see. I think it's both, not sure fstab is by default depending on network |
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| 16:04.20 | khobo | does the domain name really matter? |
| 16:04.25 | khobo | i can change this later yes? |
| 16:04.38 | khobo | i got the wifi firmware installed with usb stick |
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| 16:06.18 | dka | yes the domain name does matter at some point |
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| 16:07.07 | dka | I don't remember if it's optional or required |
| 16:08.14 | gvth | Hi; does anyone know of a good no-hassle image sharing platform, like imgut but a free one that allows the use of Tor and ad-blockers? |
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| 16:09.07 | gvth | * imgut=imgur |
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| 16:12.52 | khobo | wait so where do i post images at? |
| 16:13.15 | khobo | imgur not acceptable |
| 16:13.32 | khobo | blob:https://imgur.com/5d54ec78-712d-4e72-9ef3-9e181eeb4c87 |
| 16:13.34 | khobo | does that work? |
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| 16:14.00 | khobo | see those remainder free space partitions? |
| 16:14.01 | khobo | wtf |
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| 16:15.52 | ratrace | khobo: that link doens't work. just rightclick the image and "Copy image URL" |
| 16:16.26 | khobo | weird that's how i got that image address |
| 16:16.36 | khobo | lets try itsosticky |
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| 16:16.54 | khobo | https://i.itsosticky.com/123sc8d.jpg |
| 16:17.31 | ratrace | khobo: 1M default alignment |
| 16:17.48 | khobo | so just ignore them? |
| 16:17.58 | ratrace | you'll have <1M at the end and 1MB at the beginning. uh.... MiB, binary, 1024 kiB. |
| 16:18.02 | ratrace | khobo: sure |
| 16:18.28 | khobo | now someone was telling me |
| 16:18.30 | khobo | to get rid of the swap |
| 16:18.32 | khobo | and just use a file |
| 16:18.38 | khobo | does it matter much? |
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| 16:19.08 | ratrace | first of all please don't use enter as interpunction. your 4 posts could've been one sentence easily. it doesn't matter. swapfiles are easier to manage as you don't have to deal with extra partition, esp. with encryption |
| 16:19.21 | ratrace | that said, not all filesystems will support a swapfile |
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| 16:19.47 | ratrace | bbl, lunch |
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| 16:24.15 | gvth | I tried to post an image on itsosticky.com but it seems not to work without an account, although the upload did work... |
| 16:24.49 | khobo | hmm weird i dont have an account |
| 16:25.00 | khobo | https://itsosticky.com/ |
| 16:25.02 | khobo | try again |
| 16:25.46 | gvth | does itsosticky work without account? Including for others to open the image by link? |
| 16:26.12 | khobo | yeah |
| 16:26.15 | khobo | no account here |
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| 16:26.21 | khobo | works everytime for me |
| 16:26.31 | gvth | can you see the image? https://itsosticky.com/72mgcj |
| 16:26.45 | joepublic | dpkg, tell khobo about enter |
| 16:27.03 | khobo | it loaded but it's all white? |
| 16:27.14 | khobo | also, it took a good minute to load up for some reason.. weird! |
| 16:27.37 | khobo | ugh... look i'm really really sorry about the enter as punctuation.. i'll try and stop. i've tried to stop before but it's a horrible habit to try and break |
| 16:27.52 | gvth | khobo: the image I uploaded was not white |
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| 16:28.12 | khobo | gvth: that's super super weird i've never run into any problems using it before! i'll let the dev know |
| 16:28.36 | khobo | did you perhaps upload a weird file format? |
| 16:28.45 | gvth | khobo: is jpg weird? |
| 16:28.51 | khobo | doesnt seem so |
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| 16:29.53 | raub | Is there a way to install slapd such that it does not ask for the password (i.e. I can feed one when I do apt-get install slapd)? |
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| 16:31.20 | raub | Best I can think of is using DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and then coming back and changing the PW |
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| 16:34.49 | khobo | hmm anyone getting temporary failure resolving deb.debian.org? |
| 16:34.54 | khobo | i can't update anything due to that |
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| 16:42.17 | raub | khobo: change the repo perhaps? |
| 16:42.31 | khobo | just weird.. seems like a super official repo |
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| 16:43.22 | jhutchins | khobo: You're having problems with your network, it's not the repo. |
| 16:43.31 | khobo | yeah, that's my guess here |
| 16:44.36 | raub | If it makes you feel any better, I too can't resolve it at work right now but it works fine at home |
| 16:45.29 | raub | If you need to cheat for the time being, create an entry for it (199.232.66.133) in your /etc/hosts |
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| 16:46.26 | jhutchins | raub: deb.debian.org should resolve to a variety of addresses. |
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| 16:47.21 | HelloShitty | sponix2ipfw: I hope you're not sleeping. I'm around here for what we spoke earlier |
| 16:48.21 | khobo | hmm i read something online |
| 16:48.30 | jhutchins | I get 2a04:4e42:2c::645 |
| 16:48.50 | khobo | (sorry about the enter.. working on it).. i read online to chmod 664 /etc/resolv.conf which i did. should i reverse that? |
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| 16:49.24 | raub | jhutchins: I do agree but I do not know if he can solve his DNS issue or it is further up the chain |
| 16:49.27 | ratrace | khobo: which group you want be able to write resolv.conf? |
| 16:50.11 | khobo | ehh doesn't matter so much.. it's just a 1 person server.. planning to run MC, pihole, cups off of |
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| 16:50.55 | khobo | https://i.itsosticky.com/v56uq2.jpg |
| 16:51.04 | khobo | ^ this is what my hostfile looks like atm |
| 16:52.16 | khobo | i need to reset my router so that i can login to it.. freakin netgear. brb |
| 16:52.28 | ratrace | khobo: btw you do know you can use text pastebins if you have network on that machine? pastebinit package, or netcat to termbin.com or other similar socket pastebins |
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| 16:53.10 | khobo | oo, i'll try that out... figured my network was nerf'd at the moment though since i'm having issues even apt-getting |
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| 16:59.59 | ca1ek | I tried to change the port at which sshd listens and i'm now miserable. |
| 17:00.18 | ca1ek | i changed the port in sshd_config, restarted the service |
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| 17:00.36 | ca1ek | couldn't connect from the second machine, sure, need to allow it in the firewall |
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| 17:00.55 | ca1ek | i did `ufw allow portnum/tcp` |
| 17:01.04 | ca1ek | then `ufw reload` |
| 17:01.12 | ca1ek | still couldn't get in, Connection refused |
| 17:01.37 | ca1ek | so I look at the iptables, and yes, the port is set to allow connections from any address |
| 17:01.47 | ca1ek | so I look if sshd is up, and it is |
| 17:01.51 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 17:01.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:02.00 | ca1ek | sorry. |
| 17:02.44 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Is sshd listening on the port you expect? I'd also double-check that it's the same ports you've got in sshd_config and in ufw. |
| 17:03.02 | ca1ek | continuing, I ran `netstat` to find out if sshd is even listening on that port, and it is. Why the hell can't i connect? I changed the port, i restarted sshd, I opened up the firewall, i verified that sshd runs on expected port |
| 17:03.38 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Can you connect from the same machine? |
| 17:03.55 | ca1ek | you mean, via loopback? I'll try |
| 17:04.04 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Yeah |
| 17:04.20 | ca1ek | via loopback it works |
| 17:04.27 | ca1ek | so it's somewhere in the firewall |
| 17:05.00 | ca1ek | Or I'll just give up on it and do what I intended to do, which is to set up an vpn server |
| 17:05.06 | ca1ek | then I'll have ssh via vpn |
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| 17:05.56 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Can you paste the exact line of your sshd you get from `netstat -npl`? |
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| 17:06.17 | karlpinc | ca1ek: You could use hping3 on the remote side and do a "tcp traceroute" to see where the blockage is. |
| 17:06.59 | petn-randall | Oh right, depending on your network, a different firewall might be the issue. :) |
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| 17:09.59 | ca1ek | petn-randall, can't copy from that, i'll retype: "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:10.29 | ca1ek | :portnum 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2234/sshd" |
| 17:10.35 | ca1ek | accidentaly hit enter there. |
| 17:11.56 | jhutchins | ca1ek: One obvious thing to try is turning off the firewall. |
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| 17:12.38 | jhutchins | ca1ek: What's the exact command you're using to try to connect? |
| 17:13.13 | ca1ek | ssh localipaddr -p portnum |
| 17:13.43 | ca1ek | i disabled the firewall and now it complains there's no route, did my network adapter crash |
| 17:14.20 | ca1ek | that's right |
| 17:14.28 | ca1ek | i guess something more is wrong with it |
| 17:15.02 | ca1ek | I have been defeated, for now, lets try tomorrow |
| 17:15.07 | jhutchins | Is this a local network or are you connecting through the internet? |
| 17:15.38 | ca1ek | local, i have a display and keyboard connected to the "remote" machine |
| 17:16.23 | jhutchins | ca1ek: There are logs, there is the -v (-vvv) option for the client, there is ping and telnet. |
| 17:16.57 | jhutchins | You can't expect us to give you an answer when we don't have a clear picture of your configuration. |
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| 17:17.39 | ca1ek | i just looked at bash history and found something from a year ago, when I also tried to fix it, anyways, just forget about it, looks like the network adapter is having issues to that it can't get ssh working doesn't matter much anymore |
| 17:18.01 | ca1ek | s/to/so |
| 17:18.43 | jhutchins | Network adapters either work or don't work, they don't block some protocols but not others. |
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| 17:19.46 | ca1ek | the adapter just went offline while i wasn't doing anything to the computer |
| 17:19.49 | ca1ek | cable still in |
| 17:19.55 | ca1ek | whatever |
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| 17:51.05 | khobo | alright, im back. had some technical difficulties with my router and its firmware. I just tried pinging google and says it's unresolvable so must be my network. i'm using wifi right now and was able to download the correct packages on install so i know i have teh correct drivers. my host file looks like https://i.itsosticky.com/v56uq2.jpg anyone see anything blatantly wrong about it? |
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| 17:55.59 | jhutchins | khobo: What makes you think your hosts file has anything to do with DNS? Do you understand what those lines actually define? |
| 17:56.24 | khobo | yeah i do |
| 17:56.28 | khobo | just covering bases |
| 17:56.32 | khobo | (LAN addresses) |
| 17:57.10 | khobo | err.. sorry for multiple lines *argh* so i just did ip a ..... and then an iwlist wlan0 scan and says interface doesn't support scanning |
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| 18:17.54 | khobo | https://i.itsosticky.com/shniwm.jpg |
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| 18:38.50 | jhutchins | khobo: So what's your actual question? |
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| 18:46.54 | khobo | jhutchins: trying to get to apoint where i can ping google/local dns |
| 18:47.12 | khobo | wlp1s0 says its up but i'm still unable to ping google.com |
| 18:47.57 | karlpinc | khobo: Can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 18:48.01 | khobo | cannot do |
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| 18:48.31 | khobo | now... i changed /etc/network/interfaces and added my wpa-ssid... my network is wpa2 though |
| 18:48.37 | khobo | not sure if that matters? |
| 18:48.54 | karlpinc | Perhaps you're not getting dhcp settings (or are otherwise not setting your networking parameters). |
| 18:49.01 | jhutchins | !wpa |
| 18:49.01 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. https://wiki.debian.org/WPA https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 18:50.30 | khobo | this is teh guide i've been following... i didnt do anything with supplicant though.. |
| 18:50.46 | khobo | is it auto installed on buster? bc i can't apt get right now |
| 18:54.31 | ratrace | khobo: check it.... dpkg -l wpasupplicant |
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| 18:55.44 | istrive | Happy Monday to all, I hope everyone is safe! |
| 18:55.45 | ratrace | khobo: what's your /etc/network/interfaces stanza for the wifi iface? |
| 18:55.54 | khobo | yeah makign some progress |
| 18:55.57 | khobo | supplicant was in there |
| 18:55.59 | khobo | so working on that now |
| 18:56.05 | khobo | trying to figure out how to freakin copy the PSK on cli |
| 18:56.27 | khobo | says m-6 for copy |
| 18:56.41 | ratrace | ? |
| 18:56.59 | khobo | the guide is saying i need to copy the psk to copy it in my interfaces file |
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| 18:57.32 | istrive | I have this code https://pastebin.com/LqFaBC6a but the alert only works for SSH, and if I switch to root on any given session... Never works it I locally sign in as a regular user! What am I missing |
| 18:57.34 | istrive | ? |
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| 18:57.40 | khobo | but my keyboard skills are inept and im having a hard time figuring out how to copy and paste... lmao |
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| 19:00.31 | istrive | any idea? |
| 19:01.24 | ratrace | istrive: might be prudent to monitor /var/log/auth.log (or via journald) independently of shell rcs. |
| 19:02.01 | khobo | freakin nano... |
| 19:02.14 | khobo | how did they make copy and pasting text... difficult |
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| 19:02.35 | khobo | freakin ridiculous imho |
| 19:02.42 | istrive | <ratrace> is it possible to get an alert from local login from monitoring this file? |
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| 19:03.54 | ratrace | khobo: vim somefile; use ijlk or arrow keys to reach to line you wanna copy. shift-V to select line. j to copy it to buffer. :sp <anotherfile> to copy the other file in separate view. Ctrl-w to jump betwen them. position the caret where you want to paste the line, p to paste. :wq to save and close the buffer. :q to quit the original buffer. |
| 19:05.08 | istrive | <khobo> try gedit instead of nano... |
| 19:05.25 | ratrace | they're on the console, no g* |
| 19:07.36 | ratrace | istrive: I don't recall otoh, make a local login and see what's logged in /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:07.40 | istrive | this code used to work in stretch but after switching to Buster it no longer sends email from local login, only from ssh! |
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| 19:11.34 | khobo | fucking ridiculous i can't paste in between nano files |
| 19:12.01 | khobo | so i figured out how to copy and paste... had to exit the one doc to get into the new one and it wont paste in-between them |
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| 19:13.09 | ratrace | khobo: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19816699/how-to-open-multiple-files-and-switch-between-them-in-nano-text-editor |
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| 19:34.16 | _Vi | What is the best way to use LVMVDO in Debian? ( https://manpages.debian.org/testing/lvm2/lvmvdo.7.en.html ) |
| 19:34.31 | _Vi | Shall I build vdoformat from source code? |
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| 19:43.20 | jelly | judd, file bin/vdoformat --release testing |
| 19:43.24 | judd | No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 19:44.58 | jelly | ,v lvm2 |
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| 19:48.54 | gribouille | hi |
| 19:49.25 | gribouille | can a linux user have several user ids? |
| 19:50.41 | cipherize | A user is defined uniquely by their UID. |
| 19:50.54 | ratrace | gribouille: you can have multiple users with same username, different IDs in different namespaces. but in single namespace, one user has only one UID. it can belong to multiple groups. what's your end goal? |
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| 19:51.07 | cipherize | One user can only have one UID. Multiple users can have the SAME UID, but the system treats them as the same user, effectively. |
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| 19:53.13 | gribouille | ratrace, I have currently the uid 500, and I would like to use the uid 1000 too |
| 19:54.03 | ratrace | gribouille: to what end goal? |
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| 19:54.56 | gribouille | ratrace, I want to use uid 1000, but I don't want to modify the files owned by uid 500 |
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| 19:55.58 | jhutchins | gribouille: Why do you want to use 1000? |
| 19:56.20 | greycat | if you currently have UID 500 then I doubt you're even running Debian. |
| 19:56.32 | jhutchins | gribouille: Why would you have to modify the files owned by 500? |
| 19:56.33 | gribouille | jhutchins, because it's the minimum uid for real users |
| 19:56.42 | greycat | ... |
| 19:56.48 | gribouille | greycat, why? |
| 19:56.53 | nvz | gribouille: bottom line is, you need to change permissions regardless, and use a group if need be.. |
| 19:56.57 | greycat | you're running Red Hat, right? |
| 19:57.11 | nvz | gribouille: and the answer to why is because debian makes 1000 the first UID for normal users |
| 19:57.17 | gribouille | greycat, are you a cop? |
| 19:57.18 | ratrace | well, no, it's possible to create a user with uid 500, it's just that by default, non-system users get 1000+ UID |
| 19:57.30 | greycat | I'm taking that as a yes, and *plonk* |
| 19:57.37 | ratrace | and no, one user has only one UID, so you can't have both 500 and 1000 |
| 19:58.15 | ratrace | isn't RH (and I think Debian long time ago) using 100 as starting point, not 500? |
| 19:59.57 | gribouille | what's the use of /etc/subuid? |
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| 20:00.26 | jmcnaught | subordinate UIDs are for user namespacing |
| 20:00.44 | cipherize | gribouille: Please ask your questions in the channel appropriate for your distro. |
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| 20:02.04 | greycat | *very* old red hat used 100, yeah. less old red hat uses 500. |
| 20:02.12 | gribouille | cipherize, but my distro is debian. it's just that my /home filesystem was created before I switched to debian. ok? |
| 20:02.54 | cipherize | gribouille: Given your evasive nature previously, I don't believe you. |
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| 20:03.44 | gribouille | cipherize, I just don't like being suspected |
| 20:04.00 | oxek | there should be some shibboleth that would prove a user is using debian |
| 20:04.27 | cipherize | oxek: Said shibboleth could start by not asking someone if they're a cop. |
| 20:04.27 | jhutchins | ,v xchat |
| 20:04.28 | judd | Package: xchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.8-7.3; stretch-backports: 2.8.8-15~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-17; bullseye: 2.8.8-22; sid: 2.8.8-22 |
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| 20:06.25 | oerheks | uid 500 sounds like a HFS+ thingy |
| 20:06.48 | ratrace | gribouille: well, on debian it's really in your best interest to change your uid to 1000 and chown the files. <1000 are system uids and some package might object you using 500 |
| 20:07.52 | gribouille | ratrace, if they do, I'll just remove them |
| 20:08.06 | jhutchins | points out that root can change files owned by anyone. |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | 500 is probably safe enough that Debian's dynamically allocated system UIDs probably won't ever collide with you |
| 20:08.46 | dka | I have issue with NFS, I keep having access denied while mounting at boot |
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| 20:09.10 | dka | I use a NAS Synology DS1819+ server. I believe the issue is the user mapping |
| 20:09.40 | dka | any clue what synology NFS map setting I can use so docker uid:gid 1000:1000 can use the NFS for it's volume? |
| 20:10.04 | greycat | are you forcing NFS version 3? or are you allowing it to choose version 3 or 4 at its whim? |
| 20:10.26 | greycat | for some ungodly reason, Linux's mount command defaults to trying version 4 first, and you almost never want that |
| 20:11.44 | greycat | You can create a two-line nfsmount.conf file that will force all NFS mounts to default to version 3, if that will help you. I can give you the two lines. I had to figure this out on my own, so I'm willing to share to avoid others having the same issues. |
| 20:12.00 | greycat | But if your NFS server is supporting version 4's wacky UID mapping shenanigans, then fine. |
| 20:13.41 | ratrace | greycat: why would one not want v4? |
| 20:14.27 | greycat | because when you don't control the NFS server, and the NFS server isn't even a Unix machine, and you mount a share from it and all of your files show up as "nobody", it sucks |
| 20:14.55 | dka | I allowed NFS v4 |
| 20:15.17 | greycat | did you set up the configs on the client and server to do NFSv4 uid mapping? |
| 20:15.33 | fling | How to specify static routes? |
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| 20:16.28 | jhutchins | All of the NAS devices I've worked with do not support NFS4, and many will cause a default client to fail because it tries 4. |
| 20:16.35 | dka | On the server, I only checked the NFS4 version, https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1866564/93816639-181b8600-fc58-11ea-9d98-b69575c4fb71.png |
| 20:17.04 | dka | On the client, I only configured /etc/fstab: https://termbin.com/d37w |
| 20:17.42 | greycat | If you have not configured the client and server to do NFSv4 uid mapping, then you should force the client to use NFSv3 mounts only. |
| 20:17.51 | greycat | # cat /etc/nfsmount.conf |
| 20:17.51 | greycat | [ NFSMount_Global_Options ] |
| 20:17.51 | greycat | nfsvers=3 |
| 20:18.12 | dka | It can mount without the access denied ONLY if I use the following settings for the mounted volume: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1866564/93816815-531db980-fc58-11ea-904a-ccb458976115.png |
| 20:18.34 | dka | I can also choose a different setting for squash called "No mapping", all over squash cause Access denied |
| 20:18.35 | greycat | There are other ways to do it, but that file will force *all* mounts (autofs, fstab, manual) to use version 3. |
| 20:18.53 | dka | I'll do it |
| 20:18.58 | dka | but what about the user permissions? |
| 20:19.07 | dka | I use a docker container with NFS volume, the UID/GID is 1000 |
| 20:19.14 | dka | but when I mount, I have 1024:users |
| 20:19.22 | greycat | so it *does* mount! |
| 20:19.30 | dka | Yes, but it depends on the squash settings |
| 20:19.39 | dka | as in the screenshot of the volume setting |
| 20:20.35 | dka | This cause serveral issue in docker such as : chown: changing ownership of '/config/settings.json': Operation not permitted |
| 20:21.59 | greycat | if you actually *want* v4 uid mapping, you'll have to read the docs and set that up. I do not know how. |
| 20:22.55 | dka | I dont have /etc/nfsmount.conf |
| 20:25.21 | jhutchins | dka: That's correct. |
| 20:25.52 | jhutchins | dka: That way nfsmount uses the defaults. |
| 20:26.04 | dka | I am lost |
| 20:26.14 | dka | How should I map the squash in the Synology GUI for docker? |
| 20:26.27 | dka | I have just run on the nas a chowwn -R 1000:1000 and the docker container keep complaining |
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| 20:29.29 | greycat | dka: that's why I said all that stuff that I said about having to figure it out on my own, and being willing to supply the file so others would have an easier time. The file does not exist by default. If you want it, you must create it from scratch. |
| 20:29.47 | greycat | But you apparently want the v4 way, and I can't help you with that. |
| 20:30.25 | dka | i dont want the v4 way |
| 20:30.40 | dka | I have 6 years old and I want to mount a NFS into debian so I can use docker |
| 20:30.55 | dka | How do I create the file from scratch ? I can disable v4 |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | I use vi. |
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| 20:31.17 | dka | mabye echo "nfsvers=3" >> /etc/nfsmount.conf ? |
| 20:31.21 | greycat | You may use whatever editor you like, or do a printf with a redirection, or a cat with a redirection.... |
| 20:31.33 | greycat | dka: no, if you want this to work, you must use BOTH LINES. |
| 20:31.34 | dka | I mean, is that enough for switching to nfs 3 ? I dont know |
| 20:31.47 | dka | Ok |
| 20:31.53 | dka | what do you use for squash mapping ? |
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| 20:32.11 | dka | No mapping? Map root to admin? Map root to guest? Map all users to admin ? Map all users to guest ? |
| 20:32.12 | greycat | No vegetables are mapped on my systems. |
| 20:32.50 | dka | ? |
| 20:33.48 | dka | I just disabled NFS v4 and added the /etc/nfsmount.conf |
| 20:34.00 | dka | I still don't know what squash mapping I should use =/ |
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| 20:35.35 | ratrace | squash = squashfs? |
| 20:35.38 | mutantturkey | has anyone succesfully installed virtualbox on Bullseye? the wiki seems to be misssing documentation on it (goes up to buster) |
| 20:35.55 | greycat | you realize that bullseye hasn't been released yet...? |
| 20:36.10 | fling | up ip r a |
| 20:36.21 | mutantturkey | yeah, it's in testing right? |
| 20:37.12 | mutantturkey | documenttion has, buster, and unstable. i tried one of the instructions but was unable to satisfy the dependencies |
| 20:37.29 | ratrace | there's no more vbox on debian (xcept in sid). dropped until further notice. you'll have to use oracle's debs (eww!) if you insist on vbox... |
| 20:37.35 | ratrace | or try porting from sid |
| 20:38.50 | mutantturkey | i have a vmdk appliance people are reporting issues with. I need to test it. i don't really care about licensing or insisting on vbox or what alternatives are. I honestly haven't run a virtual box type setup in a very long time as wine works for most of my applications or i just use a digitalocean box when i need it |
| 20:38.58 | mutantturkey | so.... yeah Idk |
| 20:39.00 | mutantturkey | let me try sid's option |
| 20:39.20 | ratrace | !ssb |
| 20:39.20 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:39.32 | ratrace | mutantturkey: ^^^ |
| 20:39.46 | mutantturkey | danke |
| 20:40.01 | mutantturkey | !deb-src sid |
| 20:40.01 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 20:40.05 | ratrace | you will be tempted to enable sid sources.... you will resist the temptation. :) |
| 20:40.10 | mutantturkey | ....? |
| 20:40.20 | ratrace | I mean.... sid repository in apt sources.list :) |
| 20:40.20 | mutantturkey | don't i want to do it for just 'backports' no main,etc. |
| 20:41.09 | ratrace | no, you need sid's deb-src, not the regular sid repo (non-src) .... in sources.list gah terminology |
| 20:42.14 | mutantturkey | im just going to install ubuntu |
| 20:42.44 | mutantturkey | appreciate the help tho |
| 20:43.10 | khobo | LMAO |
| 20:43.14 | khobo | i'm thinking the same thing |
| 20:44.17 | ratrace | le sigh |
| 20:46.39 | dka | greycat, any clue? |
| 20:46.46 | dka | should I go back to nfs 4? |
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| 20:46.52 | dka | I cant with both nfs3 and 4 |
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| 20:48.10 | greycat | Make up your mind what you want, and then do it. |
| 20:48.19 | jelly | vmdk sounds more like vmware than vbox? |
| 20:48.50 | cipherize | It is. Vbox normally uses VDI. |
| 20:48.57 | l0rd_hex | Hey friends, I have a question... what is the use of boot.img.gz (hd-media)? I have this USB key I carry around that has a few different distros (installers) on it and when I use memdisk to boot boot.img.gz it starts up the installer but then it starts looking for an ISO. The uncompressed boot.img is like 954 Mb, that's a lot to just go find an ISO |
| 20:50.41 | l0rd_hex | For my instance it's better to just memdisk boot the ISO but I thought the boot.img.gz would skip having to do that |
| 20:50.49 | sney | iirc it's a component of the older style flash drive installer, from before we had the hybrid iso. it should be described in the install guide |
| 20:50.50 | sney | !ig |
| 20:50.50 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
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| 20:51.17 | mutantturkey | vmdk/vdi are formats, but they both can be used on virtualbox |
| 20:51.28 | l0rd_hex | but like, write almost a gig to your ole timey flash drive _plus_ have the ISO? |
| 20:51.51 | l0rd_hex | just seems like I'm missing the point of it |
| 20:52.18 | sney | it does sound unusual. there's probably a good reason for it to be like that, and I don't remember what that reason is, so look in the install guide |
| 20:52.28 | l0rd_hex | I will, thanks |
| 20:53.23 | cipherize | mutantturkey: We know. But vbox uses .vdi by default, and vmware uses .vmdk by default. |
| 20:53.55 | l0rd_hex | "Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk. This method is only recommended for special cases when no other installation method is available." seems odd, I would just use the vmlinuz and initrd |
| 20:54.38 | l0rd_hex | mmm they're actually talking about vmlinux/initrd there |
| 20:55.52 | l0rd_hex | the manifest says "hd-media/boot.img.gz -- 1 gb image (compressed) for USB memory stick" |
| 20:58.53 | l0rd_hex | is outraged and aroused |
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| 21:00.31 | sney | yeah, sounds like a legacy leftover of some sort. |
| 21:00.50 | sney | the regular .iso installers have been flash media compatible for like 10 years at this point |
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| 21:05.02 | l0rd_hex | sney: makes me wonder what's in it if it's almost 1 GB |
| 21:05.15 | l0rd_hex | some-sort of creme filling I hope |
| 21:06.14 | khobo | would anyone be willing to give me some 1on1 attention/action? in regards to getting this network daemon up and running? i still can't get my wifi to run properly |
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| 21:07.40 | l0rd_hex | sney: looks like it has the X11/graphical installer too which is why it's so big |
| 21:07.54 | sney | aha |
| 21:07.54 | l0rd_hex | khobo: I really only know netctl (don't use NetworkMangler) |
| 21:08.05 | khobo | no worries =/ |
| 21:08.08 | khobo | this is killing me |
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| 21:08.13 | l0rd_hex | 21487760 Jul 30 04:11 initrd.gz |
| 21:08.15 | l0rd_hex | 21487760 Jul 30 04:11 ./initrd.gz |
| 21:08.17 | l0rd_hex | 48514546 Jul 30 04:11 initrdg.gz |
| 21:08.19 | l0rd_hex | 48514546 Jul 30 04:11 ./initrdg.gz |
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| 21:50.56 | jhutchins | khobo: What logs have you checked? |
| 21:52.09 | khobo | jhutchins: |
| 21:52.24 | khobo | well i can't ping google.com that's for one nor can i ping any of my local ips |
| 21:52.40 | khobo | i can't figure out why i don't have access to the sudo command out of install... |
| 21:52.43 | khobo | isn't that nuts? |
| 21:52.53 | cipherize | khobo: Did you set a root password during install? |
| 21:53.02 | khobo | i did |
| 21:53.05 | khobo | it's fine.. but weird |
| 21:53.11 | jhutchins | khobo: You're working with a container, aren't you? |
| 21:53.15 | khobo | i am not |
| 21:53.21 | khobo | fresh buster install |
| 21:53.38 | jhutchins | K, thinking of someone else. I repeat, what log files have you looked at? |
| 21:53.59 | khobo | i havent looked at any.. a bit clueless at what i should look like. i know for a fact though my network/interfaces is not setup correctly |
| 21:54.14 | khobo | having a difficult following along with what needs to be done with the guide https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 21:55.36 | khobo | do you see the command line section? do i need to do that part as well as the supplicant stuff? |
| 21:56.32 | jhutchins | khobo: Did you look at the suplicant docs? |
| 21:56.46 | khobo | i guess i did not |
| 21:56.50 | jhutchins | khobo: You could try Network Manager. |
| 21:56.55 | khobo | i'm command line only |
| 21:57.14 | jhutchins | Also look at dmesg -T | less, and search for firmware. |
| 21:57.35 | khobo | i can't resolve websites though |
| 21:57.44 | jhutchins | Do a lspci -nn and find the eight-character pciid of the network card, post it here. |
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| 21:58.46 | khobo | so trying for wifi atm... will need ethernet ultimately |
| 21:58.49 | khobo | but |
| 21:58.56 | khobo | 8086:15b7 |
| 21:58.58 | jhutchins | khobo: That requires functional networking and access to a DNS server, I don't think you've gotten that far yet. |
| 21:59.18 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:15b7 |
| 21:59.19 | judd | [8086:15b7] is 'Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'e1000e', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:15b7 |
| 21:59.21 | khobo | and the wifi card is 8086:24f3 |
| 21:59.30 | khobo | but i pulled that firmware on install |
| 21:59.39 | khobo | so i could get the correct packages |
| 21:59.46 | khobo | which is why it sort of blows my mind wifi wasn't automatically setup |
| 21:59.49 | khobo | since i did it at install |
| 21:59.58 | khobo | tjat wensote dodm |
| 22:00.00 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:24f3 |
| 22:00.01 | judd | [8086:24f3] is 'Wireless 8260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24f3 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 22:00.03 | khobo | that website didn't work* |
| 22:01.13 | khobo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1HyrSzmtKA |
| 22:01.16 | khobo | im following along with this guy |
| 22:01.24 | khobo | just to get my ethernet configured properly to begin with |
| 22:01.34 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
| 22:01.35 | khobo | my desk doesn't have an ethernet cord long enough sinc emy monitor is over here |
| 22:01.42 | khobo | so i need wifi to begin |
| 22:01.45 | khobo | so i can get ssh running |
| 22:01.49 | khobo | and then i can move it adn ethernet jack it |
| 22:02.10 | khobo | jhutchins: i'm all ears man but this is pretty nuts the hoops they're making me jump through to get this up and running |
| 22:02.25 | khobo | the wifi network firmware has been installed.. i can scan for networks last i checked |
| 22:02.36 | jhutchins | Please don't just say something doesn't work. Tell us what you did, what you expected to happen, and EXACTLY what happened instead. Show what commands/configurations you used. Pastebin if necessary. |
| 22:02.47 | khobo | see i cant pastbin |
| 22:03.00 | khobo | bc its on a airgaped machine at the moment |
| 22:03.01 | jhutchins | khobo: Did you scan dmesg for entries about the firmware? |
| 22:03.12 | khobo | let me try |
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| 22:03.43 | jhutchins | Did you read the manpage for wpa-supplicant? Did you check for docs in /user/share/doc? |
| 22:04.39 | khobo | yeah i guess spending a couple of hours on the documentation is reasonable |
| 22:05.05 | khobo | so the dmesg entries |
| 22:05.13 | jhutchins | khobo: It shouldn't be that long, but if you're coming from scratch on linux networking it can take some work. |
| 22:05.27 | khobo | wall of text that i can't scroll through |
| 22:05.32 | khobo | i'm at : prompt right now |
| 22:05.40 | jhutchins | khobo: That's why you pipe it to less. |
| 22:05.53 | khobo | alright searching through |
| 22:05.54 | jhutchins | kh Shift-Page up works, but less is easier. |
| 22:05.59 | khobo | i realized it took me to the top... im not at the bottom |
| 22:06.11 | jhutchins | allows you to search. |
| 22:06.37 | jhutchins | A / allows you to search. |
| 22:06.55 | khobo | alright searching for intel |
| 22:07.02 | jhutchins | (A / at the beginning of an irc line indicates a command to the server.) |
| 22:07.44 | jhutchins | !networking |
| 22:07.44 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 22:07.45 | khobo | i see some entries for intel bluetooth |
| 22:08.00 | khobo | if this is less |
| 22:08.03 | khobo | i'd hate to see it without less |
| 22:08.11 | khobo | man i was not expecting it to be this barebones |
| 22:08.25 | khobo | i setup a pi with buster a few months ago... not many problems |
| 22:08.33 | khobo | figured ahh ill give debian a shot since i'm most familiar with it as is |
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| 22:10.03 | khobo | alright searching iwifi... "detected intel (r) dual band wireless AC 8260 |
| 22:10.09 | khobo | i told you i installed the correct firmware for this at install |
| 22:10.11 | jhutchins | I have to go do something else right now, I'll leave you to it. Good luck. It's not impossible, it's not even hard with Intel, but there are basic things that are hard to know. |
| 22:10.30 | khobo | at install i was able to grab the packages from the netinstall |
| 22:10.36 | khobo | so wifi works at a hardware level |
| 22:10.48 | khobo | configuring on other hand i'm very lost on |
| 22:10.52 | jhutchins | khobo: I suggested you search for firmware to see if it's actually loading, not just installed. |
| 22:11.12 | jhutchins | khobo: It would probably be easiest to set up with Network Manager (see which docs). |
| 22:11.16 | jhutchins | Gotta go. |
| 22:11.19 | khobo | well looks like i see an entry saying |
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| 22:11.26 | khobo | "iwlwifi renamed from wlan0 |
| 22:11.28 | khobo | alright cya |
| 22:11.58 | khobo | how do i exit out of this |
| 22:11.59 | khobo | wtf |
| 22:12.31 | LtL | khobo: if in dmesg type 'q' |
| 22:12.46 | khobo | thanks |
| 22:12.55 | khobo | you'd think ctrl c |
| 22:12.57 | khobo | should be standard |
| 22:13.05 | khobo | or some sort of standardized quit function |
| 22:13.06 | khobo | would be nice |
| 22:13.28 | khobo | kinda like 1000 people got together to design and program an os =} |
| 22:14.45 | jhutchins | khobo: q |
| 22:16.03 | jhutchins | There's a lot inhereted from earlier unixes. |
| 22:17.13 | jhutchins | khobo: I'm afraid you're hitting a time in irc where most participants in the US are ending their work days and the Europeans have gone to bed. You might have better luck in the morning. |
| 22:17.27 | khobo | thanks |
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| 22:17.30 | khobo | i was in here earlier |
| 22:17.33 | khobo | was busier |
| 22:17.38 | khobo | but its still fubar |
| 22:18.00 | khobo | literally 2 things i need....wifi and ssh |
| 22:18.02 | khobo | that's it |
| 22:18.17 | jhutchins | khobo: You'll probably want to learn vi if you're going to be serious about linux in the long term. |
| 22:18.36 | khobo | ive been using nano |
| 22:18.43 | khobo | and no im not that serious im just trying to setup a small MC server |
| 22:18.49 | khobo | to move stuff off my pi |
| 22:19.05 | khobo | CUPS and pihole that's about it for my linux plans |
| 22:19.16 | jhutchins | In that case nano is fine. Less is sort of a sub-set of vi. |
| 22:22.48 | greycat | if you're pressing q to exit, then I assuming you're in less(1) which is *the* most common and standard pager on Linux, and is the same thing you've probably used when you read man pages in the past. |
| 22:22.57 | greycat | because you did read some man pages, right? right. |
| 22:23.44 | greycat | basically, anything that decides to show you output in a controlled, not-just-flooding-your-terminal way, probably uses less. git, systemctl, man, etc. |
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| 23:02.57 | khobo | oh i just hooked it up to cat6 |
| 23:02.58 | khobo | its fine now |
| 23:03.06 | khobo | i cant figure out why im having to install commands piecemeal |
| 23:03.07 | khobo | like sudo |
| 23:03.09 | khobo | and ifconfig |
| 23:03.10 | khobo | htop |
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| 23:06.34 | LtL | A|an: aptitude search '~o' |
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| 23:08.57 | LtL | khobo: ifconfig is deprecated, and sudo is separate when a root password is set during install. |
| 23:09.07 | khobo | ahh gotcha |
| 23:09.08 | khobo | thanks! |
| 23:09.14 | khobo | ip is new ifconfig? |
| 23:09.15 | LtL | sure thing |
| 23:09.23 | LtL | yes |
| 23:17.27 | cipherize | Eleven years new. |
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