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| 00:17.21 | genr8_ | i probably shoulda checked this earlier before I started spending a day on rebuilding Buster kernel. "Prepare to release linux (4.19.146-1). Bump ABI to 11" |
| 00:17.51 | genr8_ | that was 4 days ago. new kernel for Buster should be out soon. https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/commit/06c8891774d82d5fd3637468791df29e88bf9785 |
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| 00:21.14 | LtL | there is a buster point release due this saturday, buster 10.6 u2226 fwiw |
| 00:21.40 | genr8_ | I guess its gonna be in that then |
| 00:22.04 | LtL | ignore the u2226 |
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| 00:34.43 | andril | ð |
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| 00:45.33 | karlpinc | genr8_: Anything in the new release is in the buster-updates section and can be downloaded now. |
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| 03:19.59 | genr8_ | the kernel? How |
| 03:21.06 | genr8_ | where is everyone |
| 03:21.26 | dvs | zzzzzzzz |
| 03:21.47 | sponix | a large portion are victim to a netsplit it looks like |
| 03:24.04 | joepublic | or sleeping, or streaming their favorite shows, etc. |
| 03:24.25 | dvs | hides his screen |
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| 03:55.26 | genr8_ | how do I generate a history of every command that was run by a makefile script in a shell? |
| 03:56.14 | sponix | genr8_: still at it aye ? |
| 03:56.48 | genr8_ | yes |
| 03:56.56 | genr8_ | https://i.imgur.com/NqWHxwb.png |
| 03:58.48 | sponix | genr8_: that image alone gives me a headache |
| 04:06.36 | genr8_ | I want a better way to seperate STDOUT output from executable command lines |
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| 04:06.46 | TuxCrazy | https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-future-of-linux-desktop-application-delivery-is-flatpak-and-snap/ |
| 04:06.52 | TuxCrazy | do you agree with it? |
| 04:06.55 | genr8_ | no. |
| 04:07.17 | TuxCrazy | genr8_, could you please state the reasons? |
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| 04:07.43 | genr8_ | noobs can take their flatpak and snap and shovel it |
| 04:07.51 | genr8_ | its a lazy solution for lazy people |
| 04:08.10 | genr8_ | the future of the world is javascript, that doesnt make it right.... |
| 04:08.48 | fling | Is it a bad idea to use openrc and netifrc? |
| 04:09.13 | genr8_ | if the future of apps is javascript, webassembly, electron, flatpak and snap, just kill me now. |
| 04:10.00 | TuxCrazy | genr8_, what is electron and webassenmbly? |
| 04:10.18 | fling | genr8_: sure when you login shadow uses pam which uses spidermonkey which runs some javascript |
| 04:10.21 | genr8_ | im not gonna get dragged into troll arguments. |
| 04:10.32 | fling | genr8_: all the server software is running in lxd which is compiled with go and installed via snaps |
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| 04:10.53 | genr8_ | what a world |
| 04:11.08 | fling | genr8_: I hate software and hardware :> |
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| 04:16.22 | genr8_ | " Will it be enough to make 2020 the year of the Linux desktop? " <-- no. |
| 04:16.37 | genr8_ | it will ruin the one thing Linux has going for it. |
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| 04:18.21 | genr8_ | the "Dont worry its all taken care of" mentality is killing us, especially when its taken care of in the least technically advanced way. its a house of cards built out of wet ramen noodles that people left in the sun and said "hey look building materials" |
| 04:18.58 | genr8_ | now your OS is built out of freaking noodles and you can live in it, but if it rains, everything falls apart and you die of mold. |
| 04:19.29 | genr8_ | we're better than this |
| 04:19.54 | TuxCrazy | genr8_, ok |
| 04:21.18 | genr8_ | we had 25 years to fix dynamic libraries, shared/static compilation, build systems, and unifying the million linux distros/flavors - and we squandered it. now terrible noddle-tech is winning |
| 04:21.25 | genr8_ | noodle-tech* |
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| 04:22.05 | TuxCrazy | genr8_, ok |
| 04:22.40 | bigfluff | hello friends, i have an alias set in my ~/.bashrc to open a remote ssh/screen session |
| 04:23.05 | bigfluff | this works great, but in gnome-terminal the tab remains titled 'user@localhost' (to my workstation, not the remote ssh server) |
| 04:23.13 | bigfluff | any way to solve this so my tab has a more apt title? |
| 04:24.16 | themill | bigfluff: there's a terminal title escape sequence you can echo to set it |
| 04:26.15 | genr8_ | PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;SOME TITLE HERE\007"' |
| 04:26.36 | genr8_ | something like that |
| 04:26.59 | bigfluff | perfect, thank you |
| 04:27.20 | bigfluff | i'm usually good with the googles, but this one had me at a lack of words |
| 04:27.29 | themill | (I don't recall whether that sets the tab or the window title for gnome-terminal) |
| 04:27.55 | genr8_ | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Xterm-Title.html#ss3.1 |
| 04:28.44 | genr8_ | it probably sets the tab, and The window title would be the active tab |
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| 04:39.52 | bigfluff | perfect, this should do exactly what i want |
| 04:39.54 | bigfluff | thanks! |
| 04:43.43 | genr8_ | my kernel compiled and works. |
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| 04:45.24 | genr8_ | it goes smoothly once you figure out wtf is going on |
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| 04:46.54 | bigfluff | the same can be said for many things :) |
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| 04:51.08 | genr8_ | I learned a lot, except I felt very on my own |
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| 05:05.32 | nvz | I usually compile in screen for multiple reasons not the least of which is to reference the current running kernel's messages and such in chosing options |
| 05:06.27 | genr8_ | thats like a bandaid on the output spam |
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| 05:27.34 | nvz | so.. my x240 laptop here running buster to my recollection has never popped up those dialogs for ssh connections where I unlock my ssh key.. on my t440 it does this. /usr/bin/ssh-agent -D -a /run/user/1001/keyring/.ssh is running presumably started by my session. What else might I need to check for? |
| 05:28.24 | nvz | I can ssh/scp/ssh-fs from a terminal window and get a prompt to unlock my key in the terminal, but this makes things like caja's connect to server thing not work cause it has no way to access my keys and the server doesnt allow password logins |
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| 05:30.08 | n4dir | probably depends on the GUI which is used. You might wanna add that info for others to help |
| 05:30.41 | nvz | I'm using MATE hence the mention of caja |
| 05:33.07 | genr8_ | theres a lot to that whole system. if you open up "Passwords & Keys" (seahorse) can you see your keys then |
| 05:33.22 | genr8_ | the keys might just be in an alternate keyring |
| 05:33.58 | nvz | hmm if a tool like that is part of it, thats probably the problem |
| 05:34.03 | nvz | I don't have any such tool installed |
| 05:34.12 | genr8_ | yes. |
| 05:34.19 | genr8_ | and it uses some kind of DBUS interface to talk to |
| 05:34.44 | n4dir | but if you had it on the other laptop installed you probaby would know. I'd give it a try anyway |
| 05:34.54 | genr8_ | it all comes from the window manager. theres a chance installing the other WM packages will take care of it |
| 05:35.01 | genr8_ | er DE* |
| 05:35.24 | nvz | logs out |
| 05:36.15 | n4dir | genr8_: or making an according setting. Like xfce's autostart stuff. - I'd assume such happens in DE's automatically, but it doesn't it seems |
| 05:36.20 | n4dir | (always) |
| 05:36.38 | genr8_ | yep |
| 05:36.40 | nvz | yeah just installing seahorse didnt change anything |
| 05:36.56 | nvz | I should just go grab the other machine and see what the difference is between the two sessions |
| 05:37.00 | genr8_ | I went through a VERY similar issue when I switched from Linux Mint/MATE to Debian/XFCE |
| 05:37.01 | n4dir | starting it? |
| 05:37.27 | nvz | cause on the other one even if I run a command from terminal I get a GUI dialog for unlocking the key, not a prompt on the terminal |
| 05:37.54 | genr8_ | thats a policykit thing |
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| 05:38.57 | genr8_ | its all very confusing to me, theres a lot of interactions |
| 05:39.43 | n4dir | same here, but i had the problem the other way around: making the ssh-agent working for the terminal without a DE. Anyway: confusing |
| 05:44.30 | genr8_ | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-eaOds9D1Gtr8/agent.7772 |
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| 05:45.01 | genr8_ | SSH_AGENT_PID=7800 .... 7800 0.0 0.0 5852 76 ? Ss Sep19 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent startxfce4 |
| 05:45.37 | genr8_ | env variables |
| 05:46.07 | nvz | yeah I think its polkit indeed |
| 05:47.53 | genr8_ | your ssh-agent is running with -D "foreground mode" and -a "bind address" which is pointed to your keyring, but mine is pointed to the default SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-eaOds9D1Gtr8/agent.777 |
| 05:48.46 | genr8_ | woops. 7772*. and my PID 7772 is : 7772 0.0 0.0 2388 1460 ? Ss Sep19 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 05:49.36 | nvz | all I know is the session seems to include gnome-keyring-daemon the polkit auth thing, the ssh-agent |
| 05:49.40 | nvz | and yet its not working.. |
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| 05:50.26 | genr8_ | if i run: gnome-keyring-daemon on the command line, i get an output of: SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh |
| 05:50.48 | genr8_ | yours said ".ssh" |
| 05:51.52 | nvz | yeah thats what the ps list showed ssh-agent saying on its commandline |
| 05:52.17 | nvz | I get the same output from gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 05:52.29 | genr8_ | well , look in /run/user/1001/keyring/ and see if its "ssh" or ".ssh" |
| 05:52.36 | genr8_ | cause it may be without a dot, and thats all it is |
| 05:52.45 | nvz | both files exist.. |
| 05:52.48 | nvz | checks what they /are/ |
| 05:53.04 | genr8_ | i only have one. I was unable to read what they are. they're somehow special |
| 05:53.06 | nvz | both are sockets |
| 05:53.18 | genr8_ | mmm yea |
| 05:53.28 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 05:53.33 | nvz | checks the other machine |
| 05:54.17 | nvz | hmm the t440 has neither |
| 05:54.26 | nvz | yet it gives these GUI dialogs |
| 05:54.39 | genr8_ | 1001 is the 2nd user. 1000 is the first |
| 05:55.01 | nvz | though its no longer running buster, I'd foolishly upgraded it to sid awhile back for dumb reasons I know better than to do :P |
| 05:55.09 | nvz | but its the one that is workin :P |
| 05:55.11 | genr8_ | run: set | grep SSH |
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| 05:55.20 | nvz | the buster one is not |
| 05:55.34 | nvz | and yes, the user I typically use on the x240 is uid 1001 |
| 05:56.29 | nvz | I normally leave the x240 on the dock on my livingroom tv.. so presumably the guests I dont have could be using this machine.. so I use a different user called "tv" which is 1001 |
| 05:56.49 | genr8_ | I also have running: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
| 05:57.13 | nvz | I get the same output as gnome-keyring-daemon with that set thing |
| 05:57.29 | nvz | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1001/keyring/ssh |
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| 05:58.20 | genr8_ | then your ssh-agent process is running on the wrong file. its running on ".ssh" but it should be on "ssh" |
| 05:58.21 | nvz | and the commandline of ssh-agent on the t440 is also .ssh not ssh |
| 05:58.35 | nvz | however on the t440 neither of those sockets appear to exist |
| 05:58.44 | genr8_ | well now that just threw me for a loop |
| 05:59.12 | nvz | yeah me too |
| 05:59.48 | genr8_ | are you sure they dont exist ? You checked the right user /run/user/1000 location on the t440 ? |
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| 06:00.56 | nvz | I'm gonna fire up this Opti780USFF desktop over here.. it at least also has buter.. not good comparing this buster x240 to the sid t440 |
| 06:01.09 | nvz | comparing apples to oranges :P |
| 06:01.32 | n4dir | after reading the arch wiki i am as smart as before, and the mate wiki has nothing like that. I'd probably try the #mate channel |
| 06:01.36 | n4dir | (too) |
| 06:02.30 | nvz | I don't use this desktop like AT ALL so it should be a totally fresh buster install |
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| 06:03.44 | genr8_ | on my GNOME buster, SSH_AUTH_SOCK is set to /run/user/1000/keyring/ssh , and ssh-agent is running with /usr/bin/gnome-session as the command line |
| 06:04.15 | nvz | well both these laptops have two ssh-agents |
| 06:04.20 | nvz | one as you say with the mate-session |
| 06:04.30 | nvz | and the other with the -D crap I mentioned earlier |
| 06:05.20 | genr8_ | are you sure you don't have seahorse ? |
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| 06:06.25 | nvz | I do now, I'd installed it and relogged |
| 06:06.30 | nvz | that effected no change |
| 06:06.43 | genr8_ | it doesnt change anything, its a viewer |
| 06:06.51 | nvz | I know the polkit thing is working cause when I open something like gparted or synaptic the polkit dialogs come up |
| 06:06.52 | genr8_ | you wanna open that up and see if it interacts properly and can see your keys |
| 06:07.12 | nvz | right.. atm I'm copying my ssh keys to the desktop too |
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| 06:10.01 | n4dir | it is not only a viewer, right click on the ssh-key and you can set it up |
| 06:10.14 | nvz | well the login keyring is unlocked and shows user@host:port//home/tv/.ssh/id_foo network password |
| 06:10.18 | nvz | which seems odd to me |
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| 06:10.51 | genr8_ | maybe its just not assosciated to the right host ? |
| 06:10.53 | nvz | I replaced details in that.. but user@host:port is my server and the /home/tv/.ssh/id_foo is the local ssh key for it on this machine |
| 06:10.58 | n4dir | using a display-manager? |
| 06:11.10 | nvz | yes, lightdm |
| 06:11.50 | n4dir | damnit. As said: very confusing, with many things involved. Good luck, back to read-mode |
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| 06:12.21 | nvz | I'm gonna after I copy this key to the desktop, hose this keyring in seahorse and let it redo it |
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| 06:16.04 | genr8_ | apt-get install libpam-gnome-keyring |
| 06:16.25 | genr8_ | and gnome-keyring |
| 06:16.47 | nvz | dpkg -l shows both those installed |
| 06:16.47 | dpkg | ii shows both those installed 1.1-4 nvz's private porn collection |
| 06:16.55 | nvz | dpkg: shaddup |
| 06:16.56 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 06:18.10 | nvz | for one thing my private porn collection is not v1.1 :P |
| 06:19.07 | nvz | you're more than 20 years outdated on that :D |
| 06:19.32 | genr8_ | I found something totally unrelate and interesting |
| 06:20.05 | genr8_ | ,apt-cache show libpam-ssh-agent-auth |
| 06:20.22 | nvz | ,i libpam-ssh-agent-auth |
| 06:20.25 | judd | Package libpam-ssh-agent-auth (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: PAM Authentication via forwarded ssh-agent. Version: 0.10.3-3; Size: 105.5k; Installed: 250k; Homepage: http://pamsshagentauth.sf.net/ |
| 06:20.28 | genr8_ | This module can be used to provide authentication for anything run locally that supports PAM. It was written specifically with the intention of permitting authentication for sudo without password entry |
| 06:20.48 | genr8_ | This module provides authentication via ssh-agent. If an ssh-agent listening at SSH_AUTH_SOCK can successfully authenticate that it has the secret key for a public key in the specified file, authentication is granted, otherwise authentication fails. |
| 06:21.23 | nvz | so in other words it hooks ssh-agent i.e. your keys into pam.. |
| 06:21.28 | nvz | sounds disgusting |
| 06:22.51 | genr8_ | it may have implications but I like the idea of it |
| 06:24.24 | nvz | well so much for all that.. |
| 06:24.48 | nvz | the desktop which is an even fresher install than this x240 since I never really use it, also doesnt do this GUI thing |
| 06:25.10 | nvz | I never explicitly told the t440 to do this, and it had done it even before I'd foolishly upgraded it to sid |
| 06:25.47 | n4dir | you could set the sources list in the sid installation to testing and then just wait. If you don't want to reinstall |
| 06:25.51 | nvz | I was reading upstream changelogs and wanted to see the latest MATE and XFCE and rather than do it in a vm.. I just upgraded my main machine to sid like a du-mass |
| 06:26.04 | genr8_ | its some kind of ssh-agent , keyring, dbus and polkit madness |
| 06:26.14 | nvz | yeah I hadnt reinstalled cause the ssd is a bit old and I didnt wanna trash it |
| 06:26.22 | nvz | thrash rather |
| 06:26.33 | n4dir | then i'd do what i said. Can't lose much |
| 06:26.36 | nvz | figured I'd wait until I was ready to buy a new drive |
| 06:26.47 | n4dir | or that :-) |
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| 06:27.02 | nvz | I have other drives here but not other ssds :P |
| 06:27.16 | genr8_ | if it dies, you'll be ready. |
| 06:27.27 | nvz | ready to go back to a slow can o rust :P |
| 06:27.46 | nvz | I got both these laptops running the OS on ssd right now and I like it :D |
| 06:28.17 | nvz | fwiw I made polkit respect sudoers and crap somehow on my father's machine and made it so he'd never have to enter a password on anything |
| 06:28.24 | nvz | I didnt know about the ssh pam hook thing |
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| 06:29.07 | nvz | I do need to figure this crap out and document it though cause I've apparently lost sight of how it all works |
| 06:31.25 | genr8_ | ~/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring |
| 06:31.38 | nvz | whats odd now is, I deleted that entry in seahorse and now its not even showing the thing to unlock the key on this x240 in the terminal anymore its just hanging |
| 06:31.51 | nvz | but I'm still able to do it from the desktop over there with the same command |
| 06:32.17 | n4dir | in the configs of mate, polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1.desktop is set to autostart? |
| 06:32.57 | nvz | yes and its in the process list as running |
| 06:33.09 | nvz | as I said it shows polkit dialogs when I try run gparted or synaptic |
| 06:33.23 | nvz | so that bit of it is working |
| 06:33.35 | nvz | something is screwy I think with the ssh-agent itself |
| 06:33.59 | n4dir | yes. |
| 06:34.11 | genr8_ | i think you havent got the right env var pointing to the right socket, or you said you had 2 agents running |
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| 06:34.45 | nvz | yes for some reason its running two agents |
| 06:35.11 | n4dir | but you said on both machines, right? |
| 06:35.18 | nvz | /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager and /usr/bin/ssh-agent -D -a /run/user/1001/keyring/.ssh |
| 06:35.31 | genr8_ | kill the 2nd one |
| 06:36.03 | genr8_ | also, I would run: /usr/bin/ssh-agent -D -a /run/user/1001/keyring/ssh <-- no dot |
| 06:36.04 | nvz | well first I'd like to get back to status quo :P right now deleting that entry in the seahorse got it not working at all :D |
| 06:36.18 | nvz | I'd also like to figure out first where the other one is starting from |
| 06:36.33 | n4dir | another thing i never heard of before, autostart gnome-keyring-pkcs11.desktop |
| 06:37.02 | genr8_ | thats part of the gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 06:37.07 | nvz | in the session settings it says SSH Key agent and the command is /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh |
| 06:37.23 | genr8_ | yea thats it |
| 06:37.40 | nvz | but whats starting the other one? |
| 06:37.48 | nvz | systemd? lightdm? idk |
| 06:37.55 | n4dir | grep -r ssh-agent ~/.[!.]* ; or somesuch i'd try |
| 06:38.34 | nvz | looks at the processes in tree view |
| 06:38.42 | diogenes_ | genr8_, Xfce? |
| 06:38.43 | genr8_ | im more concerned whats starting the one with the weird -D -a command line... |
| 06:38.52 | nvz | yeah thats what I mean |
| 06:38.52 | genr8_ | the /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager <--- that sounds like the right one |
| 06:38.59 | nvz | trying to figure out whats starting the other one |
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| 06:39.25 | genr8_ | diogenes_, nvz has the issue. hes on MATE |
| 06:40.05 | nvz | /usr/bin/ssh-agent -D -a /run/user/1001/keyring/.ssh is showing as a child of /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login |
| 06:40.14 | nvz | erm |
| 06:40.27 | nvz | yeah |
| 06:40.31 | nvz | looks for the other one |
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| 06:42.05 | nvz | the /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager is a child of x-session-manager started by lightdm |
| 06:42.45 | genr8_ | that sounds right. my /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login has no children. |
| 06:43.15 | diogenes_ | nvz, nvz grep -R "key" /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* |
| 06:43.38 | nvz | whats odd is, currently gnome-keyring-daemon is eating up 100% of cpu4 |
| 06:43.45 | nvz | probably since I deleted that entry in seahorse |
| 06:44.01 | nvz | I'm gonna relog see if this mess I made with that clears up |
| 06:44.04 | genr8_ | kill it and make a new one |
| 06:44.14 | genr8_ | you know you can just shut these processes down and launch them yourself |
| 06:44.45 | nvz | yes, I know.. but since we obviously are confused about the relationship between all these processes.. wanna let them do their thing naturally :P |
| 06:45.25 | genr8_ | the parent/child relationship doesnt affect that. the command line does |
| 06:45.26 | n4dir | tell me about it, when i screwed it all with jack i just reboot ... |
| 06:45.41 | nvz | ok, on relog its doing it the way it was before now, showing the unlock key prompt in the terminal |
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| 06:46.09 | nvz | though gnome-keyring-daemon is still eating 100% on cpu4 |
| 06:46.44 | genr8_ | kill.. it... |
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| 06:46.50 | nvz | and has a virtual memory size of 306M |
| 06:47.20 | nvz | watches it not flinch at a SIGTERM |
| 06:47.42 | nvz | watches it die at a SIGKILL |
| 06:47.50 | genr8_ | typical |
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| 06:49.07 | nvz | does another relog to see if it restarts that process |
| 06:49.30 | genr8_ | you might as well Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to kill everything X |
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| 06:50.35 | nvz | thats not a thing anymore |
| 06:50.39 | nvz | its disabled by default |
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| 06:51.05 | jelly | you can reenable it |
| 06:51.11 | genr8_ | i wonder how I re-enabled it, i forgot. |
| 06:51.19 | jelly | !DontZap |
| 06:51.19 | dpkg | Since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run «dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration» and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or «setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp»). |
| 06:51.22 | nvz | jelly: yeah I ran across it awhile back but dont recall where |
| 06:51.40 | genr8_ | I definitely did not run that to do it |
| 06:51.54 | nvz | ah.. thats where I ran into it.. running through dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration for an issue someone had in here |
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| 06:52.28 | nvz | I did always like that.. |
| 06:52.32 | jelly | I keep it enabled, but still manage to accidentally about once a year |
| 06:52.37 | nvz | but these days when shtf I often just use a SAK |
| 06:52.47 | nvz | heh |
| 06:53.09 | nvz | I got a few things running on this x240 I dont need I realize |
| 06:53.15 | jelly | more often than that I just ssh in from the phone, if the system is still responsive |
| 06:53.32 | nvz | like /usr/games/bzfs -advertise NONE seems to be starting automatically running as user "games" |
| 06:53.48 | nvz | which I assume is something with bzflag's server |
| 06:53.59 | nvz | though I never knew it to run automatically |
| 06:56.11 | nvz | since its parent process is init, there is apparently a service installed and activated |
| 06:56.22 | genr8_ | I forgot what you were working on to begin with. you can open SSH servers in Caja ? |
| 06:57.06 | nvz | stops and disables bzflag.service |
| 06:57.34 | nvz | yes I was trying to go to "Connect To Server" in caja and connect via ssh to my server |
| 06:57.48 | genr8_ | i had no idea that was even a thing |
| 06:58.05 | nvz | but I cant because it won't hook to the ssh-agent and use my key, and there is no passwords allowed on my server so.. it kinda needs my key |
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| 06:58.30 | genr8_ | are you sure its supposed to allow that ? |
| 06:58.31 | nvz | yeah caja/nautilus can connect to numerous things via gvfsd.. ssh, webdav, samba, ftp.. etc |
| 06:58.42 | nvz | and yes, it works on the t440 |
| 06:59.16 | nvz | when this crap is all working together anything that tries to ssh pops up a gui dialog asking me to unlock my key |
| 06:59.17 | genr8_ | so its some kind of gvfs thing too |
| 06:59.26 | nvz | even scp/ssh etc.. from a terminal window |
| 06:59.38 | genr8_ | ive never heard of that either. |
| 06:59.40 | nvz | yes, it uses gvfsd backends |
| 07:00.08 | nvz | i.e. the things you connect to arent exposed to the vfs without gvfs-fuse |
| 07:00.24 | nvz | they are only seen in things that use gvfs |
| 07:00.45 | genr8_ | yeah i use that in Thunar for Samba |
| 07:00.57 | nvz | but nothing in the GUI can use ssh in my case unless whatever glue makes it hook to the ssh-agent is working |
| 07:01.03 | nvz | since I disable password logins |
| 07:01.07 | nvz | and use keys |
| 07:02.01 | genr8_ | ohhh |
| 07:02.09 | nvz | shuts down the desktop since its of no use and has the same issue, and goes back to looking at the t440 which works |
| 07:02.12 | genr8_ | mines working ! |
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| 07:02.22 | nvz | goes to see what process is actually doing the dialogs |
| 07:03.05 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.34 | nvz | yeah thats the kinda thing I get on the t440 |
| 07:03.40 | nvz | but on neither of these other two machines |
| 07:03.43 | genr8_ | let me see if I save this password if it asks in the terminal now .... |
| 07:03.51 | nvz | I installed them all the same way.. selecting mate from tasksel in the installer |
| 07:04.30 | nvz | I get that on the t440 even doing ssh/scp/rsync or such from the MATE Terminal |
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| 07:04.42 | nvz | can't get it to come up anyhow on this x240 |
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| 07:06.36 | nvz | that doesnt look like a polkit dialog |
| 07:06.46 | nvz | cause polkit dialogs usually show the policy that invoked it |
| 07:06.55 | nvz | so its maybe some gnome-keyring thing |
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| 07:07.17 | genr8_ | push the Details button |
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| 07:07.42 | genr8_ | oh. nm i see what youre saying. yes what i pasted is not polkit. |
| 07:08.11 | nvz | I am having a tough time figuring out what it is cause when it comes up on the t440 it locks everything |
| 07:08.24 | nvz | I can't get to another window to figure out what process is spawning it |
| 07:08.52 | nvz | and on the t440(sid) it doesnt look like that anymore it doesnt have the radio buttons for how long to remember the password |
| 07:09.50 | nvz | just says Unlock private key in the title bar, shows that key icon and heading is Enter password to unlock the private key and then subheading is An application wants access to the private key "user@t440", but its locked |
| 07:10.02 | nvz | then just shows the password box and Cancel and Unlock buttons |
| 07:10.22 | nvz | and it totally locks my session, wont even let me move the password window |
| 07:10.36 | nvz | until i auth or cancel it |
| 07:11.01 | nvz | so I can't even screenshot the dialog..even the hotkey for a screenshot is disabled while its open |
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| 07:12.19 | nvz | when I cancel I get a message on the terminal "sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed for....:agent refused operation |
| 07:13.09 | nvz | question remains, what is doing this and why isn't it doing it on any of my other machines :P |
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| 07:14.07 | genr8_ | OK, I connected to a SSH machine in Thunar, saved the password, and it added it to my seahorse keyring. |
| 07:14.34 | nvz | the dialog looks the same as the one I get when using fingerprint login to lightdm and opening chromium |
| 07:14.40 | nvz | and it wants me to unlock the login keyring |
| 07:14.48 | nvz | so apparently it /is/ gnome-keyring or the like |
| 07:15.16 | genr8_ | <nvz> well the login keyring is unlocked and shows user@host:port//home/tv/.ssh/id_foo network password <-- thats how mine shows up too |
| 07:15.36 | nvz | and yours is working |
| 07:15.50 | genr8_ | yes. it unlocks my login keyring automatically when my session loads. It didnt used to. |
| 07:16.32 | nvz | well is the ssh key in the login keyring? |
| 07:16.36 | nvz | cause on the t440 its not |
| 07:16.38 | genr8_ | no |
| 07:16.45 | nvz | its under OPenSSH keys |
| 07:16.51 | genr8_ | yes |
| 07:16.53 | nvz | on this x240 its in the login keyring |
| 07:17.05 | genr8_ | that doesnt seem right |
| 07:17.22 | nvz | well there is nothing in the seahorse now.. there was only that in the login keyring.. and I removed it |
| 07:17.36 | nvz | but on my t440 I got all the chrome crap in the login keyring |
| 07:17.48 | nvz | and I got two entries for ssh keys in the OpenSSH Keys |
| 07:18.04 | genr8_ | the login keyring only stores the PASSWORD for the ssh key. |
| 07:18.14 | nvz | using ssh did not trigger the login keyring dialog on fresh login on the t440 |
| 07:18.16 | genr8_ | the OpenSSH key area refers to the actual keys. |
| 07:18.23 | nvz | only opening chromium prompted to unlock the login keyring |
| 07:18.29 | nvz | which thats another thing I'd like to figure out |
| 07:18.37 | genr8_ | thats something else |
| 07:18.42 | nvz | how to unlock the login keyring with fingerprint at lightdm |
| 07:18.48 | genr8_ | thats probably just down to the filename in .local/share/keyrings |
| 07:18.51 | nvz | if I use password to login, it unlocks the login keyring |
| 07:18.58 | nvz | but if I use fingerprint it does not |
| 07:19.06 | genr8_ | well thats another thing too then |
| 07:19.21 | nvz | yeah.. its all confusing as hell :P |
| 07:19.30 | genr8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.09 | nvz | yeah well apparently libpam-fprintd throws a wrench in that |
| 07:20.24 | genr8_ | well forget that for now thats even more layers |
| 07:20.30 | nvz | heh |
| 07:20.31 | jelly | perhaps your pam config is suboptimal |
| 07:20.40 | nvz | yeah well undoubtedly |
| 07:20.45 | jelly | (don't ask me how to make it better) |
| 07:20.56 | nvz | for one thing I have to fail or timeout the fingerprint to even login with password |
| 07:21.13 | nvz | and I never could figure out a way to allow multiple fingers |
| 07:21.29 | nvz | you can enroll multiple, but only the last one enrolled seems to actually auth |
| 07:21.38 | jelly | I have an IR camera now, wonder where face-based auth is for Linux |
| 07:22.00 | jelly | fingerprints are so 2009 |
| 07:22.00 | nvz | idk but we got a face based mouse in debian |
| 07:22.05 | nvz | ,i evicam |
| 07:22.06 | judd | No package named 'evicam' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 07:22.10 | nvz | liar :P |
| 07:22.16 | jelly | ,v evicam |
| 07:22.17 | judd | No package named 'evicam' was found in amd64. |
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| 07:22.38 | jelly | might have been before stretch |
| 07:22.48 | genr8_ | I had to do this on mine: cd ~/.local/share/keyrings/; mv Default_keyring.keyring login.keyring |
| 07:22.55 | nvz | na its in buster I just seem to have forgotten what its called |
| 07:23.11 | nvz | ,i eviacam |
| 07:23.12 | judd | Package eviacam (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: camera based mouse emulator. Version: 2.1.3-4.1; Size: 5551.2k; Installed: 7600k; Homepage: http://viacam.org |
| 07:23.23 | nvz | you move the mouse by moving your head |
| 07:24.17 | nvz | genr8_: something you just did since we been talking about this, that had some kinda effect? |
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| 07:26.00 | genr8_ | I had to do that when I switched DE's |
| 07:26.03 | nvz | jelly: fwiw I also ran across a python script that can turn your cam into a light sensor and auto-adjust backlight based on lighting conditions |
| 07:26.10 | genr8_ | to actually unlock my login keyring on login |
| 07:26.56 | genr8_ | Logging in should be enough to trigger the unlock. starting chromium to do it is unusual. |
| 07:27.09 | nvz | genr8_: ah.. well I only have login.keyring a login.keyring.temp-<number> and user.keystore in mine |
| 07:27.22 | genr8_ | then it should be working. |
| 07:27.27 | genr8_ | idk what the temp one is |
| 07:27.29 | nvz | genr8_: well chromium is the only thing using my login keyring |
| 07:27.45 | genr8_ | thats not good then |
| 07:27.51 | nvz | and I never told it to.. thats just default behavior for chomium |
| 07:27.58 | genr8_ | the DE should be using your login keyring. |
| 07:28.01 | nvz | to use the login keyring to store its passwords |
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| 07:28.41 | genr8_ | launching the gnome-keyring-daemon with "secrets" on bootup ,(in addition to one with "ssh" |
| 07:28.56 | nvz | shrugs all thats in my login keyring on the t440 is Chrom/Chromium safe storage, google earth pro, and skype |
| 07:28.56 | genr8_ | in the autostart |
| 07:29.04 | nvz | none of my other machines have anything in the login keyring |
| 07:29.25 | genr8_ | https://i.imgur.com/tEp9Kgv.png |
| 07:29.33 | genr8_ | it shouldnt matter whats in it. just that it gets unlocked. |
| 07:30.28 | nvz | yeah I got that on the x240 but not on the t440 |
| 07:30.39 | genr8_ | all of those launch various parts of the gnome-keyring-daemon. "--components=pkcs11" , "--components=secrets", "--components=ssh". but in the process list it shows up only as "/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login" |
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| 07:31.20 | nvz | in fact i have no mention of gnome-keyring on the t440's session startup |
| 07:31.31 | nvz | I have the polkit and secrets ones on the x240 |
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| 07:33.30 | nvz | seems on the t440 systemd is starting my gnome-keyring-daemon |
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| 07:33.45 | nvz | as part of my user slice |
| 07:34.06 | nvz | tries DISABLING mentions of gnome-keyring in this x240 to see what happens |
| 07:35.54 | nvz | hmm |
| 07:36.13 | nvz | so far I see no difference disabling all three gnome keyring things in the mate startup apps thing |
| 07:36.51 | genr8_ | why would disabling it fix it |
| 07:37.04 | nvz | my login keyring is still unlocked, my polkit dialogs are still the same.. my ssh stuff is still the same |
| 07:37.16 | nvz | idk, I just know none of that is on the t440 |
| 07:37.26 | nvz | and apparently it changes nothing not having it on the x240 |
| 07:37.40 | nvz | cause systemd is starting the gnome-keyring-daemon |
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| 07:38.05 | nvz | most likely via login and creation of my user slice when I login via lightdm |
| 07:38.17 | genr8_ | what makes you think that |
| 07:38.18 | nvz | which I don't really understand that crap either |
| 07:38.21 | nvz | I KNOW that |
| 07:38.38 | ecraven | hello ;) quick question about a packaging control file: are Build-Depends automatically also Depends? if I build-depend on jdk, will that mean my package automatically depends on jdk as well? |
| 07:38.45 | nvz | I can see the hierarchy in the ps list, I can see what happens when the session manager isn't being told to start them.. |
| 07:38.50 | genr8_ | no |
| 07:38.53 | nvz | I can see what cgroup its in |
| 07:38.54 | genr8_ | ecraven, no |
| 07:39.06 | ecraven | genr8_: thanks! |
| 07:39.27 | nvz | ecraven: no, because often the build depends are headers and the depends are binaries |
| 07:39.42 | ecraven | that's what I thought ;) thank you! |
| 07:40.08 | nvz | its not always the case, but typically |
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| 07:41.02 | nvz | idk but this lil endeavor has blown my mind |
| 07:41.14 | nvz | seems since systemd I really don't understand anything anymore :P |
| 07:41.31 | nvz | how the hell does systemd know to start this crap if my DE's startup apps isn't telling it to? |
| 07:41.47 | genr8_ | i think you're confused tbh |
| 07:41.49 | nvz | experiments with disabling other things like pulseaudio |
| 07:41.59 | nvz | I think you're not seeing what I'm seeing |
| 07:42.11 | genr8_ | show it then |
| 07:42.18 | nvz | I just disabled all 3 gnome-keyring things in the startup apps, logged in on tty1.. and restarted lightdm |
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| 07:42.33 | nvz | and still I have gnome-keyring loading and everything behaving exactly the same |
| 07:42.46 | nvz | login keyring is still getting unlocked |
| 07:42.53 | nvz | everything is the same as it was before |
| 07:43.00 | genr8_ | well you said you had two ssh-agents too. so something else is probably happening also |
| 07:43.17 | nvz | yes and I STILL have two ssh agents |
| 07:43.17 | genr8_ | I just am pretty sure systemD does not start gnome-keyring. |
| 07:43.30 | nvz | same two |
| 07:43.40 | genr8_ | that would come from your X session stuff |
| 07:43.43 | ecraven | maybe check the parent of gnome-keyring? |
| 07:43.46 | nvz | well according to this startup applications dialog, neither is MATE |
| 07:43.49 | ecraven | pstree or something like it |
| 07:43.53 | nvz | cause I just unchecked them all |
| 07:43.59 | nvz | and restarted lightdm |
| 07:44.07 | nvz | ecraven: systemd |
| 07:44.19 | nvz | as I'd said already :P |
| 07:44.21 | ecraven | well, if the parent is systemd, then probably systemd started it ;) |
| 07:44.25 | genr8_ | not for me. |
| 07:44.29 | nvz | yes, thats what I'm saying |
| 07:44.34 | nvz | systemd started it |
| 07:45.15 | nvz | disables pulseaudio and polkit in the startup applications and tries this again.. |
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| 07:46.22 | genr8_ | shit you're right, i was reading wrong. systemd is the parent. |
| 07:46.32 | nvz | man.. |
| 07:46.35 | nvz | we got a problem.. |
| 07:46.45 | nvz | it did effect polkit turning that off.. |
| 07:46.48 | nvz | gparted wont open now |
| 07:46.52 | nvz | but pulseaudio still works |
| 07:47.04 | nvz | which means of course.. whatever the hell systemd is doing.. which I dont grok exactly.. |
| 07:47.13 | nvz | we have redundant crap in the DE's sessions |
| 07:47.16 | nvz | cause systemd is handling it |
| 07:47.23 | nvz | how.. I have nfc |
| 07:47.24 | nvz | but it is |
| 07:47.39 | nvz | its starting gvfsd, pulse, gnome-keyring-daemon..etc |
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| 07:47.49 | nvz | all crap the DE used to manage, and is still trying to manage |
| 07:47.54 | nvz | when systemd is also trying to do it |
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| 07:48.09 | nvz | which I think means some folk seriously overlooked some shit |
| 07:48.23 | genr8_ | i think theres an explanation |
| 07:48.31 | nvz | there had better be :P |
| 07:48.39 | nvz | LUCY, YOU GOT SOME SPLAININ TO DO.. |
| 07:48.46 | genr8_ | instead of LightDM forking the children, it sends the child's parent back to systemD |
| 07:48.58 | nvz | yes but wth is lightdm even doing this |
| 07:48.59 | nvz | and how |
| 07:49.05 | genr8_ | the X sessions. |
| 07:49.06 | nvz | this should be the session manager |
| 07:49.20 | nvz | and if I'm unchecking this crap in the session manager's prefs.. why is it still starting? |
| 07:49.26 | genr8_ | lightDM sets off a chain of events, and somehow it re-parents itself under systemD |
| 07:49.32 | genr8_ | you must have duplicate DE shit |
| 07:49.48 | nvz | that means the UI most users know.. what they see as "startup applications" is not in fact having any real control over their startup applications |
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| 07:50.01 | genr8_ | indeed |
| 07:50.11 | nvz | I get the technical aspect of how children are ophaned and inherited |
| 07:50.19 | nvz | what I dont get is how it knows WHAT to start in the first place |
| 07:50.30 | nvz | cause its not obeying this startup applications ui |
| 07:50.41 | nvz | its doing its own thing entirely |
| 07:50.44 | genr8_ | theres other RC files for that |
| 07:51.34 | nvz | so basically we duplicated and borked functionality that had belonged and probably still should belong to the DE |
| 07:51.34 | ratrace | what are y'all blaming systemd now for. |
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| 07:51.39 | nvz | heh |
| 07:51.47 | nvz | ratrace: for breaking session management in DEs |
| 07:51.48 | genr8_ | you said your lightDM starts x-session-manager |
| 07:51.54 | nvz | genr8_: indeed |
| 07:51.57 | genr8_ | its that. |
| 07:51.59 | genr8_ | for me, that points to -> /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
| 07:52.08 | genr8_ | that kicks off the chain of events and sources a bunch of /etc config files |
| 07:52.13 | ratrace | nvz: how? someone mentioned re-parenting to systemd.... that it? |
| 07:52.16 | genr8_ | .XsessionRC and the like |
| 07:52.50 | genr8_ | yes, somehow the gnome-keyring-daemon gets re-parented to systemD even though lightDM starts the session and the session starts the keyring |
| 07:52.59 | ratrace | that's lightdm doing |
| 07:52.59 | genr8_ | and a bunch of other daemonic shit is started |
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| 07:53.22 | ratrace | systemd can't do that, and on linux any process that loses parent process gets reassigned to pid 1 |
| 07:53.30 | genr8_ | ohhhhh |
| 07:53.31 | nvz | ratrace: I've as of right now on this machine gone into (ON MATE) System>Preferences>Personal>Startup Applications and disabled pulse audio, polkit, 3 different gnome-keyring things one that hooks the login keyring, one that hooks polkit, and one that hooks ssh.. and all but polkit-auth-agent are still starting up regardless |
| 07:53.32 | ratrace | so ask lightdm why it does that |
| 07:53.38 | genr8_ | So thats why |
| 07:53.45 | nvz | no, its not |
| 07:53.47 | ratrace | looking at my process list, stuff's all NOT direct children of lightdm |
| 07:53.48 | nvz | he's correct in what he said |
| 07:53.57 | nvz | however its not pid1 (init) that is the parent |
| 07:54.16 | genr8_ | it is for me |
| 07:54.28 | ratrace | nvz: are you sure..... pstree -p |
| 07:54.31 | nvz | on here its pid 1227 systemd |
| 07:54.49 | genr8_ | is there a full command line for that ? |
| 07:54.54 | genr8_ | maybe its the --user one ? |
| 07:55.04 | nvz | yes, its the user slice |
| 07:55.05 | ratrace | nvz: that's systemd --user |
| 07:55.11 | nvz | ratrace: correct |
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| 07:55.26 | genr8_ | it probably knows how to re-assign it to the user slice ? |
| 07:55.36 | genr8_ | since it was a user slice that started it to begin with |
| 07:55.55 | ratrace | that controls _services_ (or daemonized processes) like dbus, pulseaudio, sd-pam integration, etc... |
| 07:56.23 | nvz | the big issue I'm stuck on now.. is that the UI.. the DE's startup applications dialog.. thats suppose to manage the session's startup apps.. unchecking stuff in there has no effect on the majority of things in there by default.. |
| 07:56.31 | nvz | something else is starting all this crap |
| 07:56.42 | nvz | and not obeying the DE's GUI tool |
| 07:56.51 | ratrace | nvz: DE = xfce? |
| 07:57.06 | genr8_ | no that was me |
| 07:57.07 | nvz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Apr 24 22:05 /usr/bin/x-session-manager -> /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 07:57.11 | nvz | fwiw on my system |
| 07:57.15 | nvz | its using alternatives |
| 07:57.15 | genr8_ | LS the alternatives . |
| 07:57.24 | nvz | which it should |
| 07:57.32 | genr8_ | find out which alternatives goes to. |
| 07:57.34 | nvz | because otherwise you couldnt have multiple session managers installed |
| 07:58.01 | nvz | mate-session obviously |
| 07:58.12 | genr8_ | ok now start examining mate-session |
| 07:58.16 | genr8_ | you will see what it loads |
| 07:58.38 | nvz | I thought thats what the System>Preferences>Personal>Startup Applications did!! |
| 07:58.45 | ratrace | I haz no x-session-manager in my process tree.... lightdm + i3-wm |
| 07:58.45 | nvz | which it always did before |
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| 07:59.06 | nvz | now it seems like only certain things in there are controllable |
| 07:59.24 | genr8_ | yes. |
| 07:59.26 | nvz | pulse, gvfsd, gnome-keyring stuffs, ssh-agent, etc.. all start regardless |
| 07:59.39 | nvz | even if you remove them from there |
| 08:00.01 | genr8_ | i agree, thats not ideal, but its true |
| 08:00.06 | genr8_ | debian is taking on ubuntu-like behaviors |
| 08:00.10 | nvz | so far polkit-auth-agent-1 or w/e its called is the only thing I disabled in there that actually doesnt work now |
| 08:00.18 | nvz | everything else I've disabled is still starting |
| 08:00.22 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.39 | ratrace | nvz: which DE or WM is that? |
| 08:01.46 | nvz | MATE |
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| 08:02.19 | nvz | and I dont think its just MATE, I think they somehow got systemd doing this stuff now and the stuff in ANY DE is just duplicating it |
| 08:02.26 | ratrace | you looked at the usual suspects like /etc/xdg/autostart and whatsit dir in ~/ ? |
| 08:02.34 | genr8_ | no, its part of the systems' "Xsession" files in general |
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| 08:03.01 | nvz | ratrace: I didnt even know that was a thing.. |
| 08:03.05 | ratrace | nvz: systemd doesn't do anything like that unless you have a user service enabled. |
| 08:03.14 | nvz | ratrace: I am still getting used to the xdg stuff too |
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| 08:03.24 | genr8_ | nvz, Look in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 08:03.45 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.45 | nvz | ratrace: and yes, all the suspects are in /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 08:04.08 | genr8_ | yep that too |
| 08:04.28 | nvz | ratrace: even polkit which did NOT get started when I disabled in in the MATE statup applications UI |
| 08:04.38 | nvz | disables the rest to see wth happens |
| 08:04.45 | nvz | with bluetooth, geoclue..e tc |
| 08:05.05 | ratrace | but polkit is a system-wide service |
| 08:05.06 | genr8_ | I forgot I had a buster VM with every DE installed. checking stuff now. |
| 08:05.22 | nvz | is a bit scared now to disable dbus.. but does it anyhow |
| 08:05.30 | genr8_ | theres an XDG autostart for the authentication-agent |
| 08:05.49 | ratrace | you can disable dbus. systemd doesn't directly depend on it. you'll lose functionality, but the system shouldn't collapse |
| 08:05.54 | genr8_ | LightDM does not approve of Dbus being disabled. I tried that and it logged me out every 60 seconds |
| 08:06.15 | nvz | well its also in /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 08:06.20 | ratrace | genr8_: that's possible yea |
| 08:06.23 | nvz | I'm just trying to determine wth is going on here.. |
| 08:06.41 | nvz | cause polkit is in /etc/xdg/autostart/ and its still not working when I disable it here in the UI.. |
| 08:06.47 | nvz | but so far thats the only thing |
| 08:06.53 | nvz | everything else DOES start regardless |
| 08:07.04 | genr8_ | you need the agent |
| 08:07.05 | ratrace | nvz: polkit should be the systemwide polkit.service |
| 08:07.15 | genr8_ | thats the daemon. but theres a user agent |
| 08:07.18 | nvz | ratrace: the auth-agent that does the dialogs |
| 08:07.25 | ratrace | if there's anything autostarted about it for xdg, it's maybe the polkit related ui manager thingies |
| 08:07.32 | ratrace | yea, that then |
| 08:08.24 | ratrace | all this.... is reason why YotLD never came and never will come, unless RH somehow manages to extinguish everything but gnome. |
| 08:08.35 | ratrace | (and microsoft agrees) |
| 08:09.52 | genr8_ | gnome is basically linux microsoft |
| 08:10.09 | genr8_ | even on Debian its filled with suspicious shit |
| 08:10.44 | genr8_ | Ubuntu should be taken out back and shot for championing its toxicity |
| 08:11.18 | genr8_ | wtf dude theres an infestation of crickets in my house suddenly |
| 08:11.30 | mossylane | blame ubuntu |
| 08:11.34 | ratrace | that's for badmouthing the Microsoft satanspawn. shush now! :) |
| 08:11.51 | genr8_ | I went downstairs to get food and theres like 2 in the kitchen and 3 down in the basement, came back upstairs and 1 just jumped out in front of me in my bedroom on the carpet |
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| 08:12.13 | genr8_ | it makes no sense how it even got up to the 2nd floor |
| 08:12.29 | genr8_ | they must be getting in through the basement |
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| 08:12.51 | genr8_ | but it was real weird cause I just noticed it, and then BOOM there one was |
| 08:12.52 | ratrace | cue music of The Exorcist |
| 08:14.16 | nvz | hmm |
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| 08:17.18 | genr8_ | I just figured out the /etc/xdg/autostart .desktop files have a 'OnlyShowIn' line that controls what DE they apply to |
| 08:18.23 | genr8_ | its kinda great to be able to have all the DE's working at the same time |
| 08:18.41 | genr8_ | I like that part |
| 08:18.54 | ratrace | genr8_: what if you removed that line? |
| 08:19.04 | genr8_ | then they would show up :) |
| 08:19.40 | ratrace | yeah, sorry, I misread what you said, I thought you said it _would_ be great to be able.... |
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| 08:20.37 | genr8_ | it seems to be working fine, though this box does have a lot of errors from that kinda stuff in the /var/log/messages |
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| 08:22.32 | genr8_ | "tracker-miner-fs.desktop" = "Tracker File System Miner" |
| 08:22.34 | genr8_ | LOVELY. |
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| 08:23.31 | ratrace | oh yea I remember that one. thought I was pwnd. wanted to hunt down the author of it and bash his or her computer with a pickaxe. |
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| 08:23.55 | ratrace | only a fracking moron would name a process like that. |
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| 08:25.02 | genr8_ | I still consider it suspicious cause its from gnome. theres a ton of stuff like that |
| 08:25.28 | genr8_ | if I was being cynical, I would say they name it obviously like that, so you still have the choice to find it and remove it, but if you do nothing, you're pwnd. |
| 08:26.17 | genr8_ | I really despise auto-installed invasive shit on the system. its up to us to care enough to not use it and combat it. |
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| 08:26.54 | nvz | genr8_: yes, thing is, that OnlyShowIn is not set for the plethora of duplicate apps the DEs provide |
| 08:27.16 | ratrace | I got sick of gnome when I realized it had a ton of little config processes for stuff I will never ever use. then there was that thumbnailer vuln that allowed windows malware to be run if you had wine installed.... that broke the camel's back, I was done with big DEs and all the nonsense they do in the name of "convenience" |
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| 08:27.20 | nvz | genr8_: I considered making a tool for that to make it easier to have them all installed without your menus beign horribly cluttered |
| 08:28.46 | nvz | well I learned a couple things.. but I still havent solved ANY of my issues |
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| 08:29.42 | nvz | for one thing, on this box.. for whatever reason, if I switch tty, it sends tty7 back to the lightdm login screen |
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| 08:29.57 | nvz | which I never seen happen before but does it every time on this x240 |
| 08:29.58 | genr8_ | O.o |
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| 08:30.08 | nvz | and the t440 is the exact same hardware so.. idk |
| 08:30.40 | genr8_ | is the session still logged in ? |
| 08:30.46 | genr8_ | maybe its some kind of auto-lock |
| 08:31.02 | genr8_ | software setting |
| 08:31.17 | nvz | no, it die |
| 08:31.26 | nvz | [1748523.476] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. |
| 08:31.37 | genr8_ | error (1). love linux. |
| 08:32.01 | nvz | well there is more context |
| 08:32.17 | nvz | lemme tail the log so you can see what takes place.. |
| 08:32.44 | jelly | 0 is success, of course, non-zero is error. Unix got that from the C language (or vice versa?) |
| 08:33.00 | ratrace | was C written in UNIX or UNIX in C? |
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| 08:33.14 | jelly | were they written at the same time? |
| 08:33.22 | jelly | by a lot of the same people? |
| 08:33.25 | nvz | https://termbin.com/jubog |
| 08:33.26 | genr8_ | same guy yea |
| 08:33.33 | ratrace | if a process tree falls in the computer, and there's no sysadmin to see it, did it cause one to scream anyway? |
| 08:33.38 | nvz | it seems to be something related to AIGLX, modeset.. |
| 08:34.02 | jelly | that |
| 08:34.06 | genr8_ | Kernighan and Ritchie |
| 08:34.08 | jelly | _is_ the Xorg log? |
| 08:34.33 | nvz | jelly: tail end of the last one (.old) after I switched to tty2 and back |
| 08:34.46 | nvz | and logged in again |
| 08:34.53 | nvz | cause of course X had died :P |
| 08:35.02 | nvz | like it does every time I switch VT |
| 08:35.33 | jelly | don't do that, then |
| 08:35.36 | nvz | but as I said, these two machines are nearly identical.. the hardware differences in the x240 and t440 are minute.. mostly a larger screen |
| 08:35.39 | nvz | jelly: heh |
| 08:35.40 | genr8_ | maybe its some kind of framebuffer console thing thats using your videocard for the TTYs |
| 08:35.53 | nvz | they both use the same CPU i5-4300U |
| 08:36.01 | jelly | are both intel-gpu only? |
| 08:36.01 | nvz | integrated intel hd 44000 |
| 08:36.04 | nvz | yes |
| 08:36.08 | nvz | and one does that, the other doesnt |
| 08:36.10 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 08:36.13 | nvz | :F |
| 08:36.18 | genr8_ | what about the boot parameters |
| 08:36.24 | genr8_ | check the first lines of dmesg |
| 08:36.24 | jelly | firmware releases match dates, roughly? |
| 08:36.31 | genr8_ | maybe one is nomodeset ? |
| 08:36.35 | genr8_ | or one isnt |
| 08:36.48 | jelly | you can't have "nomodeset" and X running on intel GPU |
| 08:37.04 | jelly | not any recent one nor recent linux |
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| 08:37.23 | jelly | haswell counts as recent for this purpose |
| 08:37.26 | genr8_ | what if you can and it just kills your session if you switch to VT :P |
| 08:37.37 | jelly | it doesn't work that way |
| 08:37.49 | genr8_ | "works" is relative |
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| 08:38.08 | nvz | well here is the other odd thing |
| 08:38.10 | Franciman | Hi, does anybody use the bip irc proxy? |
| 08:38.19 | Franciman | I have a question about the debian package of it |
| 08:38.40 | genr8_ | it sounds suspiciously like theres a graphics conflict of interest between the VT TTY and the X session |
| 08:38.42 | ksk | Franciman: feel free to just ask it, dont ask to ask :) |
| 08:38.48 | Franciman | I don't quite understand the systemd unit that gets installed, it requires a bip-config.service |
| 08:38.48 | jelly | genr8_, I mean, this is not debatable; the drivers require and use kms ("modeset") and fb to set up graphical modes on each connected display |
| 08:38.50 | Franciman | which I can't locate |
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| 08:39.17 | ksk | ,v bip |
| 08:39.18 | judd | Package: bip on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.9-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.9-1.1; buster: 0.9.0~rc3-1; bullseye: 0.9.0~rc3-1+b1; sid: 0.9.0~rc3-1+b1 |
| 08:39.19 | nvz | on the T440 I had generate an xorg.conf and only option I changed is the PageFlip I set to "Off" on the t440 cause if I dont it spews to the log two lines a second.. doesnt do that on the x240 which has this issue with the server dying when I switch VT |
| 08:39.30 | nvz | both using modesetting driver not the intel one |
| 08:39.52 | jelly | Franciman, dpkg -L packagename will show package contents |
| 08:40.30 | genr8_ | Franciman, the .service files are in /lib/systemd/~somewhere~ |
| 08:41.05 | genr8_ | you can also run "systemctl status bip-config.service" or "systemctl show bip-config.service" |
| 08:41.09 | ksk | combine these two previous statements to find the systemd unit for your service ;) |
| 08:41.34 | Franciman | thanks a lot |
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| 08:51.55 | genr8_ | I just stumbled upon this in my subscriptions box https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ3fAUgiJyw |
| 08:52.34 | genr8_ | a guy doing live debugging X.org modesettings on a ARM64 Pinephone |
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| 08:53.00 | genr8_ | leaves junk like this on in the background, maybe ill learn something |
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| 09:04.52 | hjarvard | hi, i'm trying to ssh into centos 8 box from debian 10 using public key, but it doesn't work: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/75ae313a/ |
| 09:05.09 | hjarvard | everything worked when i connected from fedora box |
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| 09:08.59 | genr8_ | should work |
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| 09:10.26 | genr8_ | seems like some kind of failure in the agent |
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| 09:12.40 | hjarvard | how do i check if agent is running correctly? `systemctl status --user ssh-agent` reports agent is running, SSH_AUTH_SOCK seems to be correct |
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| 09:19.15 | genr8_ | Run ssh-add on the client machine, that will add the SSH key to the agent. Confirm with ssh-add -l (again on the client) that it was indeed added. |
| 09:19.59 | genr8_ | When you generate a new SSH key, ssh-add must be invoked for the ssh-agent to become aware of the new private key (per https://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-agent). |
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| 09:25.43 | hjarvard | genr8_: thanks, that worked, i manually added ssh key using ssh-add |
| 09:26.31 | hjarvard | before i was using keepassxc to automatically add keys, but it didn't work well i guess |
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| 09:36.22 | genr8_ | nvz, that brings up a good point. Make sure you ssh-add your key to the ssh-agent. |
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| 09:38.46 | nvz | genr8_: I swear if thats all it was I may have to go all Liar Liar and kick my ass |
| 09:41.06 | nvz | wanders off to kick his ass |
| 09:41.14 | ratrace | don't forget the fire extinguisher |
| 09:41.49 | nvz | I remember the trash can and toilet seat, and radiator.. I dont remember the fire extinguisher.. |
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| 10:29.41 | shreerama | unzip command failed for extracting a zip file... |
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| 10:30.10 | shreerama | cant use tar command as its used for tar.gz files only .. any solution |
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| 10:32.15 | Fox | shreerama: did you unzip -t first to see if it's a corrupted zip file ? |
| 10:33.53 | shreerama | unzip -t file.zip returns same error |
| 10:35.15 | shreerama | Fox : this is the erro => End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either this file is not a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive. In the latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on the last disk(s) of this archive. |
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| 10:36.36 | Fox | then it not a zipfile, nevermind it's called .zip |
| 10:37.10 | GNU\colossus | maybe it's truncated. zip format stores its defining structures at the end of the file. |
| 10:38.23 | shreerama | Fox : file file.zip gives output => Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract |
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| 10:40.27 | hwm4rgs | My guess would be that it's corrupted then |
| 10:41.38 | Fox | that would be my guess too |
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| 10:43.52 | genr8_ | i Would suggest apt-get install p7zip-full |
| 10:44.23 | genr8_ | it could be an advanced nonstandard .zip |
| 10:45.26 | genr8_ | thats 7zip. could be some kind of LZMA/LZMA2 .zip file |
| 10:45.52 | genr8_ | i believe i ran into this before myself |
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| 10:48.57 | genr8_ | forget what the exact technical reason was but it worked |
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| 12:55.41 | j2mb0 | ok i have tried to post about the problem in #linux but it was going nowhere ... i will try here again: i am using debian bullseye and cant install audacious |
| 12:56.11 | fireba11 | j2mb0: define "can't install" |
| 12:56.47 | j2mb0 | if i run "apt install audacious" i get: "audacious : Depends: libaudcore5 (= 4.0.4-1) but 1:3.10.1-dmo1 is to be installed : Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.@ |
| 12:57.15 | fireba11 | so .. do you have packages that are set to hold? |
| 12:57.27 | n4dir | !bat |
| 12:57.27 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:58.57 | j2mb0 | how can i unhold all packges if any? |
| 12:59.13 | n4dir | !hold |
| 12:59.13 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 12:59.20 | j2mb0 | no packages found |
| 12:59.21 | dvs | ah, debian multimedia |
| 12:59.38 | n4dir | !unhold |
| 12:59.39 | dpkg | Removing a <hold> status flag can be achieved through «echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections», or «aptitude unhold packagename» if the package is held in aptitude. |
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| 13:00.06 | fireba11 | i'd venture "aptitude unhold *" would work :-D |
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| 13:01.42 | j2mb0 | so ya there isn't any held package |
| 13:02.02 | fireba11 | j2mb0: did you check you didn't mix sources or anything? |
| 13:02.39 | j2mb0 | I went through that but i am still not sure if i have only one source or not |
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| 13:03.02 | j2mb0 | i will use the steps in !bat |
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| 13:10.40 | j2mb0 | fireba11: https://paste.debian.net/1164291 |
| 13:11.31 | j2mb0 | here ist sources.list: paste.debian.net/1164293 |
| 13:11.49 | fireba11 | j2mb0: ouch |
| 13:13.11 | dvs | j2mb0: you must have some files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 13:13.17 | j2mb0 | basically, i want to understand how to solve this kind of problems, i have no idea where to start, the whole dependency mechanism is confusing |
| 13:13.41 | fireba11 | j2mb0: okay, currently testing = bullseye but you don't want to mix those tho terms, otherwise you get some mix up when testing bevomes stable. |
| 13:13.52 | j2mb0 | dvs: i do have, but i dont understand why would that be a problem |
| 13:13.59 | fireba11 | j2mb0: also you have some (commented out) ubuntu sources that will mess things up |
| 13:14.09 | dvs | j2mb0: because it reads those repos as sources too |
| 13:14.21 | dvs | as if they were in sources.list |
| 13:14.22 | j2mb0 | there i have apps-specific resources |
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| 13:14.38 | fireba11 | j2mb0: those still provide dependencies with differnt versions |
| 13:14.50 | j2mb0 | so how do i go around this? |
| 13:15.18 | wwilliam | !chrome |
| 13:15.18 | dpkg | i heard chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. For VIA UniChrome / Chrome9 support, ask me about <openchrome>. |
| 13:15.30 | wwilliam | !chromium |
| 13:15.30 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Ask me about <pepper flash>. https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
| 13:15.30 | dvs | j2mb0: comment those sources out? |
| 13:15.40 | j2mb0 | and test again? |
| 13:15.48 | dvs | then apt update |
| 13:15.54 | wwilliam | how do i install google chrome on debian 10? |
| 13:16.09 | j2mb0 | so basically move sources.list.d to sources.list.d.bak and retry? |
| 13:16.27 | dvs | no, the sources in the files in sources.list.d |
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| 13:18.10 | j2mb0 | ok i moved out all stuff in sources.list.d |
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| 13:18.31 | ratrace | wwilliam: google chrome, and not chromium? |
| 13:18.36 | j2mb0 | now i am getting after running apt update i get E: The value 'buster' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 13:18.51 | j2mb0 | where is this coming from? |
| 13:19.08 | n4dir | /etc/apt/preferences, i guess. |
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| 13:19.35 | n4dir | perhaps preferences.d. Just look at /etc/apt |
| 13:19.54 | j2mb0 | that is empty |
| 13:20.19 | n4dir | grep -r buster /etc/apt |
| 13:20.51 | j2mb0 | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/explicit:1:APT::Default-Release "buster"; |
| 13:20.58 | j2mb0 | and etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades:22:// ${distro_codename} Installed codename (eg, "buster") |
| 13:21.02 | j2mb0 | >O |
| 13:21.04 | j2mb0 | :O |
| 13:21.19 | j2mb0 | i al most |
| 13:21.24 | j2mb0 | i am lost* |
| 13:21.49 | n4dir | you run bullseye? If so get rid of the APT:: ... file |
| 13:21.53 | fireba11 | well ... that sounds like a funny upgrade path that system had :-D |
| 13:22.00 | n4dir | that for sure |
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| 13:24.10 | fireba11 | j2mb0: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 13:24.38 | j2mb0 | omg i just removed those 2 files and updating, lemme check 1 sec |
| 13:25.36 | j2mb0 | bullseyes/sid |
| 13:25.37 | n4dir | the only time i ran in a Default-Release was when mixing testing and unstable. But that i didn't run in it doesn't mean that much |
| 13:25.41 | j2mb0 | ok the error has changed |
| 13:27.24 | j2mb0 | running install audacious is now: libqt5multimedia5 : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-7-1 |
| 13:28.08 | fireba11 | j2mb0: i'd suggest doing a "apt update && apt dist-upgrade" to make sure everything is actually updated to bullseye ... |
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| 13:28.15 | j2mb0 | i just did that |
| 13:28.38 | j2mb0 | it downloaded and installed some packages like libssl, perl-modules, linux-kbuild ... |
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| 13:28.47 | n4dir | !multimedia |
| 13:28.47 | dpkg | Debian's main repository has lots of great multimedia packages with more included in each release. Ask me about <search> to find them and <rfp> if something is not yet packaged. The old <deb-multimedia.org> has not been a "must have" repo for multimedia support for several releases; it now mostly contains poor quality packages or current Debian packages recompiled incompatible with other packages in Debian. |
| 13:28.48 | dijong_ | http://kadgar.net/live/chaospringle/acrid031 |
| 13:29.17 | n4dir | !deb-multimedia.org |
| 13:29.17 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 13:29.52 | n4dir | <dmm remove> is probably the right one |
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| 13:30.34 | j2mb0 | wi dont understand |
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| 13:31.46 | j2mb0 | it says i have held broken packages |
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| 13:34.48 | j2mb0 | i get "qtbase5-dev" autocompleted but when i try to install it it says: unable to locate package qtbase-dev |
| 13:34.55 | j2mb0 | +5 |
| 13:35.23 | j2mb0 | nvm forget my last sentence |
| 13:35.27 | dvs | ,v qtbase5-dev |
| 13:35.29 | judd | Package: qtbase5-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; jessie-security: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u4; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u2; buster: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u3; buster-security: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u3; buster-proposed-updates: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u4; bullseye: 5.14.2+dfsg-6; sid: 5.14.2+dfsg-6; |
| 13:35.30 | judd | experimental: 5.15.1+dfsg-1 |
| 13:36.08 | j2mb0 | what do i do now? |
| 13:37.04 | j2mb0 | many other packages are now broken .... python-numpy not installable ... python-gtk2 ... |
| 13:37.07 | j2mb0 | everything is broken |
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| 13:37.42 | fireba11 | j2mb0: it most likely was broken bevore you started, you just didn't know |
| 13:38.21 | j2mb0 | i cant afford time for reinstalling my operating system at the mean time, do i leave it like this until i have time again? i am scared not to be able to work on this machine |
| 13:39.08 | j2mb0 | i still dont understand how it all works tho ... otherwise i would have realized logically that the problem is really hard to solve in details |
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| 13:40.37 | karlpinc | j2mb0: If you're running bullseye you could try #debian-next. (Maybe just wait and see if bullseye fixes itself...) Not much help, I know. |
| 13:40.39 | cybrNaut | "man logger" does not seem to give a way to specify the output filename. What am i missing? |
| 13:40.49 | n4dir | two rules of thumb: 1) you don't want to add third party repos or packages and 2) you don't run testing. Both to avoid confusing situations |
| 13:41.07 | karlpinc | cybrNaut: -f |
| 13:42.12 | karlpinc | Yes, for more details see the <don't break debian> factoid or wiki.debian.org page. |
| 13:42.17 | cybrNaut | karlpinc: that seems to be for input files |
| 13:42.21 | fireba11 | j2mb0: as far as i can tell you ended up with a hodgepodge of packages from different versions not intended to be mixed. it might be still sortable, but a clean reinstall as soon as you can spare the time is probably a good idea for you |
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| 13:42.36 | n4dir | i think so too. |
| 13:43.02 | n4dir | though if i'd reinstall anyway i would probably first try if upgrading to sid may help |
| 13:43.22 | n4dir | (probably won't, the situation seems pretty messed up) |
| 13:43.27 | cybrNaut | well, maybe that's a badly written man page. This makes it look like it's for output file: https://web.archive.org/web/20200816232237/https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-write-to-syslog.html |
| 13:43.56 | karlpinc | cybrNaut: Humm. Seems so. Usually if you want to log to a file you either: configure rsyslogd (et-al) to write to that file, or just use >. |
| 13:44.54 | fireba11 | n4dir: for boxes i really need working i make imageS/LVM snapshots when i upgrade ... learned the hard way installing in a hurry is no fun |
| 13:45.08 | karlpinc | cybrNaut: Or >> or pipe to tee or.... |
| 13:45.25 | n4dir | yeah, or like that. fireba11. Many ways to handle such situations. |
| 13:45.48 | cybrNaut | karlpinc: i don't think it's normal for users to have write permission to /var/log, this is why i'm tempted to use logger |
| 13:46.19 | karlpinc | cybrNaut: Right, normal users don't have write permissions into system logs. |
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| 13:46.54 | Dani | hello |
| 13:47.16 | Dani | how do i disable this? |
| 13:47.17 | Dani | 631/tcp open ipp |
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| 13:48.03 | karlpinc | Dani: Turn off cupsd: systemctl stop cups; systemctl disable cups (or some such) |
| 13:48.20 | karlpinc | Dani: Or, configure cups so nothing remote is allowed to print. |
| 13:48.30 | Dani | thank you |
| 13:48.31 | Dani | worked! |
| 13:49.08 | j2mb0 | ok guys, i give up at this point thank you n4dir karlpinc fireba11 |
| 13:49.09 | karlpinc | Dani: Cups runs your printing so.... |
| 13:49.35 | Dani | im not using it |
| 13:50.07 | karlpinc | Dani: You could then go so far as to uninstall cups. (Even purge the configs.) |
| 13:50.36 | Dani | i didnt know what is that.. and also i didnt know how to remove it.l.. |
| 13:50.38 | Dani | but now is ok |
| 13:51.35 | karlpinc | Dani: You uninstall just like installing: apt-get remove cups or apt-get purge cups |
| 13:51.47 | Dani | thnk you |
| 13:51.59 | Dani | After this operation, 2,110 kB disk space will be freed. |
| 13:51.59 | Dani | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y |
| 13:52.00 | Dani | (Reading database ... 299379 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 13:52.00 | Dani | Removing printer-driver-gutenprint (5.3.1-7) ... |
| 13:52.00 | Dani | Removing cups (2.2.10-6+deb10u3) ... |
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| 13:52.12 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 13:59.04 | cybrNaut | how can i get the systemd-id128 command? It's apparently not installed by default |
| 13:59.22 | cybrNaut | (i tried "aptitude search ~dsystemd-id128") |
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| 14:05.25 | wwilliam | Ok Chromium google chrome crashes my debian freezes. |
| 14:06.02 | jhutchins | wwilliam: Which one? |
| 14:06.26 | wwilliam | I would like to install chromium |
| 14:07.07 | jhutchins | ,v chromium |
| 14:07.08 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u3; buster-security: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u3; bullseye: 83.0.4103.116-3.1; sid: 83.0.4103.116-3.1 |
| 14:08.16 | wwilliam | Oh this is debian 10 Buster |
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| 14:13.50 | haarp | hello. on debian 10, i can touch /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/foo as root. when the same is attempted by knockd, a daemon running as root, it fails with "Read-only file system". this is factually incorrect, the fs is rw. is this some protection measure? i haven't installed selinux or anything like this, it's basically a minimal netinstall. |
| 14:14.33 | ratrace | haarp: unless the knockd service is running in a namespace which sees /etc as readonly |
| 14:15.46 | haarp | ah. never dealt with namespaces. how would i debug this? |
| 14:16.06 | ratrace | haarp: check the the service unit, is there a ProtectSystem setting? |
| 14:16.55 | haarp | indeed, ProtectSystem=full |
| 14:17.04 | ratrace | haarp: also, are you talking about knockd, the port-knocking server? |
| 14:17.43 | haarp | correct. and before you lecture me, yes, things are secure, port-knocking is only meant as an additional measure ;) |
| 14:18.00 | ratrace | haarp: wasn't gonna lecture, but ask wth is knockd doing about touching nginx config files? |
| 14:18.25 | haarp | whitelisting ips |
| 14:18.46 | haarp | i'd do it on a firewall level, but that doesn't allow control on a site-by-site basis |
| 14:19.54 | ratrace | haarp: well then you can do two things. 1) have a custom path in /var/ where knockd can write, and then include that into nginx config. 2) make it less restrictive and run knockd without ProtectSystem=full |
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| 14:21.00 | ratrace | or at least make it ProtectSystem=true so it protects /boot and /usr, if not /etc too |
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| 14:21.51 | haarp | i like the first idea |
| 14:22.01 | ratrace | though by all means do #1, that doesn't reduce system security |
| 14:22.10 | haarp | at least now i know why it happens, that helps immensely. thanks ratrace :) |
| 14:22.15 | ratrace | yw |
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| 14:48.38 | oxek | wwilliam: don't use chromum from debian repos anymore, it has been deprecated and is no longer being updated - not even security updates will be coming |
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| 14:59.17 | istrive | what can I open an MDB file with in Debian Buster? |
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| 15:00.22 | cipherize | istrive: Did you try searching for that answer? |
| 15:00.51 | jhutchins | oxek: Citation? |
| 15:01.04 | istrive | yes, I only found the MDB Tools but the wiki is not helpfull |
| 15:01.13 | cipherize | istrive: That's the only package I know of, sadly. |
| 15:01.58 | istrive | then I'm out of lucky, hmm?! lol |
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| 15:04.16 | istrive | I guess it's missing the gmdb2 |
| 15:04.25 | istrive | so I can actually open the mdb file |
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| 15:13.25 | jhutchins | istrive: You realize that it's a highly proprietary format that Microsoft does NOT want you to open without Access. |
| 15:14.49 | jhutchins | istrive: In fact, most databases can only be opened by the software that created them. Other software will either have to convert them as it opens them or will require that you dump the original and import it. |
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| 15:15.20 | oxek | jhutchins: you can cite me |
| 15:16.17 | istrive | metter of fact I only care about dumping the data from the MDB so I can import into another database... After Upgrading to MS 365 the file is no recognized by MS!!! WTH? |
| 15:17.09 | cipherize | oxek: That's not really how that works. Where is an official-ish statement that verifies what you've said re: chromium? |
| 15:17.11 | jhutchins | istrive: Well, I'd contact Microsoft support - you do pay for that - and find out if you're supposed to do something to convert/update/import it. |
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| 15:18.26 | jhutchins | oxek: The fact that it's in bullseye and sid strongly suggests it's being actively maintained. |
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| 15:24.46 | cipherize | buster has the latest release from 83.0. |
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| 15:30.50 | oxek | jhutchins: not updated since july, over 70 security issues, two versions behind upstream, etc. |
| 15:31.06 | oxek | cipherize: latest stable version of chromium is 85, not 83 |
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| 15:31.45 | oxek | official-ish statement is on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/chromium |
| 15:32.04 | oxek | since chromium can no longer be built on sid, it cannot trickle down to testing, and hence cannot get into stable |
| 15:32.24 | oxek | and this issue would have to be fixed upstream, and upstream is choosing to not do that |
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| 15:32.36 | oxek | hence, no more chromium updates for debian stable |
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| 16:04.49 | jhutchins | oxek: Remember that upstream version numbers and Debian version numbers are not necessarily the same, and important fixes are often backported to an earlier, more stable version. |
| 16:05.28 | jhutchins | oxek: It lookd like testing was updated on the 15th, so I expect that's happening here/ |
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| 16:08.14 | oxek | jhutchins: I know version numbers don't usually indicate it, but in this case it is true. |
| 16:08.24 | oxek | tracker.debian.org explains it all |
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| 16:09.59 | jhutchins | oxek: I wouldn't say it explains much, but I do note that a lot of the CVEs are specific to platforms other than linux. |
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| 16:12.17 | oxek | the recommendation still stands - do not use the chromium packages from debian, and don't expect them to be updated during the lifetime of debian-stable if you're already using them. |
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| 16:17.00 | bmomjian | In this output of apt-cache policy, why are stretch and buster both listed? https://momjian.us/tmp/apt.txt |
| 16:20.03 | jhutchins | bmomjian: Lingering apt source entry from an upgrade? |
| 16:20.57 | bmomjian | I have tons of them. |
| 16:21.34 | bmomjian | I got rid of all the old packages that were _only_ stretch or earlier, but now I have many that are both stretch and my current buster. |
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| 16:37.37 | jhutchins | bmomjian: What you describe shouldn't be possible using normal package management. |
| 16:38.23 | bmomjian | Uh, I haven't done anything odd, though I have upgrade from stretch to buster. |
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| 16:39.18 | bmomjian | I think I originally was on Squeeze |
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| 16:39.45 | jelly | bmomjian, you have both stretch and buster repos enabled. show the output of just "apt-cache policy" |
| 16:39.46 | oxek | bmomjian: post your sources.list |
| 16:39.54 | jelly | in fact |
| 16:39.55 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:39.55 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:40.26 | bmomjian | ok |
| 16:40.34 | jhutchins | bmomjian: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 16:42.22 | bmomjian | Oops. I think I found it based on your question. I had these two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 16:42.22 | bmomjian | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main |
| 16:42.22 | bmomjian | deb-src https://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main |
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| 16:43.05 | bmomjian | I need that for yubico-piv-tool and id-utils, which are not supported on Buster. Once I remove those lines, the Stretch lines go away, so I guess I am OK. |
| 16:43.38 | jhutchins | !frankendebian |
| 16:43.38 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 16:43.58 | oxek | ,checkbackport id-utils |
| 16:43.59 | judd | Backporting package id-utils in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 16:44.06 | jelly | bmomjian, it's not a horrible issue to keep repos for the previous, OLDER release around. |
| 16:44.06 | oxek | ,checkbackport yubico-piv-tool |
| 16:44.07 | judd | Backporting package yubico-piv-tool in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 16:44.23 | oxek | bmomjian: you can backport both those packages from bullseye to buster |
| 16:44.29 | jelly | judd's check is buggy wert version of debhelper-compat |
| 16:44.31 | oxek | (ignore the debhelper-compat warning, that's an error) |
| 16:45.19 | jelly | jhutchins, I wouldn't call a careful, reasoned leftover of release-1 repos a frankendebian. |
| 16:45.24 | bmomjian | I am trying to ignore them. ;-) |
| 16:45.27 | bmomjian | LOL |
| 16:45.54 | jelly | ,v id-utils |
| 16:45.55 | judd | Package: id-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 4.6+git20120811-4; stretch: 4.6+git20120811-4+b1; bullseye: 4.6.28-20200521ss15dab+b1; sid: 4.6.28-20200521ss15dab+b1 |
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| 16:46.09 | bmomjian | I tried to identify only the items I needed from Stretch that are not in Buster. |
| 16:46.53 | bmomjian | So go forward to bullseye rather than go backward to stretch? |
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| 16:47.06 | jelly | absolutely not |
| 16:47.22 | oxek | bmomjian: use apt-forktracer or aptitude search '?obsolete' |
| 16:47.33 | jelly | cherry picking some bits from older release is low risk |
| 16:47.42 | bmomjian | Oh. |
| 16:47.51 | jelly | merely enabling deb repo for a newer release is HIGH risk |
| 16:48.03 | jelly | keep doing what you're doing. |
| 16:48.09 | bmomjian | Oh, OK. |
| 16:48.10 | oxek | and backporting from newer release is low risk |
| 16:48.22 | jelly | if you need a newer version of some of those tools, try to do a backpotr |
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| 16:48.36 | bmomjian | I wonder if I should adjust the sources.list so I am only getting those packages from Stretch. |
| 16:48.45 | bmomjian | I don't need newer versions. |
| 16:48.55 | bmomjian | Stretch is working just fine, but I am getting this policy output. |
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| 16:49.13 | oxek | bmomjian: your sources.list should look like this in the ideal case https://0x0.st/i62j.txt |
| 16:49.35 | jelly | nah, this is good enough, because in general versions of software in stretch should ALWAYS be strictly lower or equal than versions in buster |
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| 16:50.38 | jelly | (sometimes LTS people release eg. firefox-esr to oldstable faster than Debian Security Team does in stable) |
| 16:50.45 | jelly | (and that makes a mess) |
| 16:50.57 | jelly | (but is a reasonably contained mess) |
| 16:52.20 | oxek | I'd still stand by saying that having stretch repos in your sources.list on buster is a bad idea |
| 16:52.34 | bmomjian | I am confused there is a buster-updates, buster/updates, and buster-backports. |
| 16:52.50 | jelly | it's slightly bad. Not catastrophically bad. |
| 16:52.59 | bmomjian | Can I specify just what packages I need from Stretch? |
| 16:53.00 | jelly | !buster/updates |
| 16:53.00 | dpkg | On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 16:53.21 | bmomjian | OK |
| 16:53.27 | jelly | bmomjian, you can tell apt which release is considered default |
| 16:53.34 | jelly | !buster-updates |
| 16:53.35 | dpkg | buster-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <buster/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 16:53.57 | jelly | !buster-backports |
| 16:53.57 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 16:54.28 | jelly | !default-release |
| 16:54.28 | dpkg | To make wheezy be preferred over other releases in your sources.list, put APT::Default-Release "wheezy"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed). Or use "jessie", "stable" or "testing" (make it match the name used in /etc/apt/sources.list). Note that some apt front-ends like Synaptic are reported to ignore Default-Release. Also ask me about <tum>. |
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| 17:08.56 | hmuller | curious, if nothing is using /dev/mapper/loop0p#, and kpartx -d <img> doesn't remove it is the solution just to delete /dev/mapper/loop0p#? |
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| 17:11.32 | jelly | hmuller, no, just removing the created device node does not tell the kernel to delete references to actual device. If you have leftover device-mapper based devices you can use low level device-mapper tools to delete them |
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| 17:11.52 | jelly | hmuller, also, solution to what issue precisely? |
| 17:13.18 | hmuller | jelly: just figured that out |
| 17:13.58 | hmuller | jelly: I had mapped partitions on an image, then deleted, but the mappings did not get removed for some reason |
| 17:14.19 | jelly | hmuller, use "dmsetup table" to list d-m devices, and maybe "dmsetup remove ..." or "dmsetup clear ..." to delete those |
| 17:14.31 | jelly | dunno, never had to do that manually |
| 17:15.06 | jelly | never crossed my mind to nuke the partition table while kpartx devices were in place |
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| 17:16.57 | hmuller | jelly: thanks. will add that to the toolbox. not sure why the mappings would not delete with kpartx. |
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| 17:18.02 | hmuller | I checked to see if they were busy, nothing was using either partition |
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| 17:20.04 | jelly | it can be interesting to see what LVM or multipath does using dmsetup table |
| 17:21.33 | hmuller | was wierd. low level tools removed the mappings. but kpartx still wanted to use the the next device number. losetup -D cleaned up |
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| 17:26.33 | azeem | that default-release factoid could use a dist upgrade |
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| 17:34.36 | greycat | azeem: looks like a recipe for a frankendebian |
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| 17:45.56 | jelly | that it does |
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| 17:58.41 | Barralastic | grub uodate, menuentry: not found, im try to install plop boot? |
| 18:00.53 | Barralastic | https://i.imgur.com/2z0i6Re.jpg |
| 18:01.10 | Barralastic | https://i.imgur.com/PZk5Soh.jpg |
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| 18:07.03 | jelly | Barralastic, are you adding a grub.conf menu entry into /etc/default/grub file? |
| 18:07.20 | jelly | wrong file |
| 18:07.28 | Barralastic | jelly: yes |
| 18:07.38 | jelly | Barralastic, it doesn't go there. |
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| 18:09.10 | jelly | add it to /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly, or add a script to output your entry as /etc/grub.d/99-something |
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| 18:10.59 | Barralastic | https://help.ubuntu.ru/wiki/plop |
| 18:12.02 | jelly | Barralastic, ÐÐ»Ñ GRUB (GRUB2), добавÑÑе в /boot/grub/grub.cfg ÑледÑÑÑий ÑекÑÑ: |
| 18:12.27 | jelly | note how it says /boot/grub/grub.cfg and not /etc/default/grub |
| 18:12.42 | jelly | and I don't even Russian. |
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| 18:13.19 | Barralastic | thank you |
| 18:13.31 | jelly | of course, if you ever run update-grub, it will overwrite any manual customizations of /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 18:22.36 | Barralastic | jelly: https://i.imgur.com/zFCnxP3.jpg |
| 18:24.08 | Barralastic | ok |
| 18:26.17 | Barralastic | does not work |
| 18:26.19 | Barralastic | =( |
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| 18:40.10 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 18:40.11 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; buster-backports: 2020.09.14-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2020.09.14-1; sid: 2020.09.14-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2020.09.20-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2020.09.20-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2020.09.20-dmo1 |
| 18:42.15 | ratrace | what's with these -dmo things? haven't seen them before in packages |
| 18:42.28 | greycat | it's in the -multimedia |
| 18:42.44 | greycat | debian multimedia org or something |
| 18:43.00 | ratrace | ah |
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| 18:43.54 | jelly | !dmo |
| 18:43.54 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 18:44.24 | jelly | sometimes there's no build other than theirs |
| 18:44.32 | sney | it's nice to see backports so close to the dmo versions lately |
| 18:44.45 | n4dir | no idea bout the quality, but librazik has an amazing amount of multimedia ( audio) applications. |
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| 18:45.14 | jelly | dmo introduces tons of rebuilt libraries and not all have changed names/sonames |
| 18:45.56 | jelly | installed the backport, and still mpv 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhpp2Rp_eE' does a 404 |
| 18:46.31 | ratrace | I use youtube-dl from pypi within virtualenv |
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| 18:46.42 | ratrace | best way to get it up to date |
| 18:46.58 | sney | I used youtube-dl from buster just the other day and it was still working then. are you sure that's the problem here? |
| 18:47.02 | sney | sorry, bullseye |
| 18:47.19 | GNU\colossus | ratrace, eh? copy the executable anywhere, and run `youtube-dl -U`. done. |
| 18:47.27 | GNU\colossus | it's a single file |
| 18:47.42 | alex11 | you might also be interested in youtube-dlc which is a fork that seems to get quicker updates |
| 18:47.47 | sney | one assumes that is not the only thing ratrace is using virtualenv for ^^ |
| 18:47.50 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: my apparmor profile doens't allow programs to modify themselves |
| 18:48.02 | GNU\colossus | *shrug* |
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| 18:48.20 | ratrace | sney: true, I use all python packages that I install explicitly, from pypi, in virtualenv |
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| 19:11.11 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox |
| 19:11.12 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 80.0.1-1 |
| 19:11.23 | greycat | ,v firefox-esr |
| 19:11.24 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.11.0esr-1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: |
| 19:11.25 | judd | 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; sid: 78.2.0esr-1 |
| 19:11.34 | NetTerminalGene | exactly |
| 19:11.59 | NetTerminalGene | tomorrow or later 78.3 will come to buster |
| 19:12.36 | greycat | I think you might be imagining this |
| 19:12.48 | NetTerminalGene | why? |
| 19:13.07 | NetTerminalGene | the released 78.3 |
| 19:13.15 | NetTerminalGene | mozilla* |
| 19:13.29 | greycat | it's not about what was just released. it's about what is about to *expire* from support. |
| 19:13.49 | greycat | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-esr-release-cycle |
| 19:13.49 | NetTerminalGene | 68.12 is the last one |
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| 19:14.12 | NetTerminalGene | 68 has ended |
| 19:14.21 | greycat | crap, this timeline is a year old |
| 19:14.26 | greycat | where the hell is the current year's timeline... |
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| 19:14.58 | NetTerminalGene | lol. i always lose the release timeline |
| 19:15.09 | NetTerminalGene | i search. and i can't find |
| 19:15.10 | greycat | you could take pity on me and TELL US where you are seeing the current timelnie |
| 19:15.13 | NetTerminalGene | every time |
| 19:16.22 | NetTerminalGene | greycat: As of this release, users of Firefox 68 ESR will start to be automatically upgraded to the Firefox 78 ESR. |
| 19:16.35 | greycat | WHERE are you seeing this |
| 19:16.48 | NetTerminalGene | they first release 78 |
| 19:16.57 | greycat | [citation needed] |
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| 19:17.20 | NetTerminalGene | but 68 continues two more version |
| 19:17.31 | NetTerminalGene | for evaluating 78 |
| 19:17.43 | NetTerminalGene | https://support.mozilla.org/tr/kb/firefox-enterprise-81-release-notes |
| 19:18.14 | greycat | OK, that's only for people using the upstream ESR builds |
| 19:18.59 | NetTerminalGene | debian follows that |
| 19:19.19 | greycat | Debian only bumps the ESR version when the previous one is RETIRED from support |
| 19:19.42 | greycat | and there used to be a visual timeline where you could see when that would happen, but apparently they stopped updating it |
| 19:20.07 | NetTerminalGene | greycat: https://www.mozilla.org/media/img/firefox/organizations/release-overview-high-res.d3c9788f2dd1.png |
| 19:20.17 | NetTerminalGene | this may give you an idea |
| 19:20.25 | greycat | Yes, see where it says "2019"? |
| 19:20.50 | greycat | that is the timeline TO WHICH I HAVE BEEN REFERRING ALL THIS TIME and I even LINKED TO A PAGE THAT HAS THIS ON IT |
| 19:20.52 | NetTerminalGene | i know that there will be no 68.13 |
| 19:22.31 | greycat | OK, fuck this, I've wasted way too much time on this bullshit today. I give up. If they have documentation of when firefox-esr 68 support expires, I cannot find it. |
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| 19:32.51 | ratrace | incredibly there's no info on ESR68 EOL date |
| 19:35.38 | ratrace | greycat: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1290555 this is the closest I found |
| 19:36.55 | ratrace | which _implies_ there won't be 68.13, as 78.3 supposedly replaces it |
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| 19:38.57 | greycat | more importantly, it says "When Fx 81.0 Release and Fx 78.3 ESR are out the the older Fx 68.0 ESR channel will be End Of Life" |
| 19:40.33 | greycat | why they can't just state this on their actual web site is beyond me, but oh well, gotta spend all their time to make it look like a coporate mobile phone web site with no information on it |
| 19:41.37 | ratrace | also, it appears currently the bump from 68 to 78 in debian is blocked..... https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr |
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| 19:42.16 | ratrace | I always loved when backwater arches used by three people block the x86_64 releases.... |
| 19:45.06 | ratrace | 4 open security issues in buster. yummy. I love CVE-2020-15673 in particular. |
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| 19:46.47 | ratrace | pats and gives some treats to its Firefox AppArmor profile. |
| 19:47.06 | NetTerminalGene | ratrace: there will be no 78 for tomorrow? |
| 19:47.29 | greycat | \o/ |
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| 19:51.12 | ratrace | NetTerminalGene: it's not even in sid, let alone testing or stable |
| 19:51.20 | ratrace | 78.3 I mean |
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| 19:51.31 | cyberyl | hey |
| 19:51.44 | ratrace | though chances are it'll migrate straight from sid due to CVEs, so I'm guessing 5-ish days after it lands in sid |
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| 19:55.22 | cyberyl | i have two graphic cards Intel HD4000 and NVIDIA Quadro and i have tried configuring them according to https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus "Using NVIDIA GPU as the primary GPU" but for some reason my HDMI connected monitor is detected as DisplayPort connection |
| 19:55.53 | cyberyl | (two GPUs i should say) |
| 19:56.46 | cyberyl | and I don't see any HDMI connections in xrandr |
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| 20:21.06 | zerocode | E: The package linux-image-5.8.10-zck needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 20:21.13 | zerocode | how can i purge it |
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| 20:22.53 | greycat | try dpkg --force-help |
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| 21:01.20 | karlpinc | Any recommendations for log analysis? |
| 21:02.08 | brettgilio | karlpinc: your eyes |
| 21:02.14 | brettgilio | *ba dum psttt* |
| 21:02.15 | brettgilio | sorry |
| 21:02.54 | dvs | bah dum, tish! |
| 21:03.12 | karlpinc | pratfall! |
| 21:03.34 | LtL | karlpinc: lnav is kind of nice. |
| 21:04.08 | jhutchins | karlpinc: What logs? |
| 21:04.15 | karlpinc | LtL: That's kind of cool. |
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| 21:05.02 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Er, everything? Mariadb, auth logs, application logs, nginx..... |
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| 21:09.11 | zerocode | how can i purge all |
| 21:09.49 | zerocode | The package linux-image-5.8.10-zck needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 21:13.03 | LtL | lnav does multiple files too. |
| 21:15.31 | jhutchins | karlpinc: I use logwatch. It's a bit of a pain on a public webserver because it lists every phishing http request, but otherwise pretty good. |
| 21:16.12 | karlpinc | petit looks kind of cool |
| 21:16.32 | karlpinc | jhutchins: You're a traditionalist. :) |
| 21:17.13 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Hardcore. |
| 21:18.29 | jhutchins | THere was an apache analyser I used for a while, and it could supposedly be made to analyse just about any log, but it sure wasn't point-and-click, and I eventually didn't bother to install it after an upgrade. |
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| 21:51.54 | karlpinc | These look cool: wazuh.com & https://logz.io/learn/complete-guide-elk-stack/ |
| 21:52.51 | greycat | elk stack? dead, or alive? I'd imagine it's harder if they're alive. |
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| 21:59.13 | karlpinc | greycat: Sounds hard. It seems very alive with lots of moving parts. |
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| 23:51.43 | shalok | Anyone happen to know a package that displays memory utilization % in the system tray area? |
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| 23:53.09 | nvz | no, but there are applets for such things in many panels |
| 23:55.14 | mcossey | shalok: Your DE may already provide one too. |
| 23:55.32 | nvz | thats kinda what I meant |
| 23:55.43 | nvz | there is also things like conky and such |
| 23:55.56 | nvz | gkrellem.. etc |
| 23:56.08 | anonzzz | htop ..oh...system tray |
| 23:56.28 | nvz | its called the notification area btw |
| 23:56.34 | nvz | system tray I believe is a windows term |
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| 23:58.29 | anonzzz | :P semantics |
| 23:58.59 | nvz | not when it comes to finding something |
| 23:59.07 | nvz | you search for system tray you're gonna get windows apps |
| 23:59.30 | anonzzz | touché |
| 23:59.49 | nvz | there are frameworks that seem to have similar promising utility as the notification area but very little uses them so far and they didnt seem very well documented |
| 23:59.54 | nvz | I speak of things like appindicator |
