| 00:00.08 | derpadmin | thanks for the help guys |
| 00:00.29 | dvs | !next |
| 00:00.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 00:16.25 | genr8_ | Linux debianVM 4.19.0-11-amd64 #2 SMP Debian 4.19.147-1 (2020-09-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:16.42 | genr8_ | she works! |
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| 00:22.04 | Joit | hello, any suggestions for a fstab for the home of a normal user. with user, users, owner or default? |
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| 00:27.19 | dvs | Joit: well, it isn't "users" which means that any user can mount that point. |
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| 00:37.00 | sponix2ipfw | genr8_: get that kernel going? |
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| 00:37.54 | Joit | dvs: at last one to exlude :D i set to user before now owner, and seems its working better with owner atm |
| 00:38.42 | Joit | but still not sure, it run before too with set to defaults, until i had to mirror the hdd because of a crash |
| 00:39.10 | Joit | een defaults,rw seems does not work well |
| 00:39.13 | Joit | even |
| 00:41.19 | dvs | Joit: you'll want to use owner if you only want that person to access that directory. |
| 00:42.06 | genr8_ | yes its great. Lots of security additions to actually play with, and still reading menuconfig configuring more stuff to disable |
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| 00:44.12 | nvz | Joit: if its a posix type fs like ext2/3/4 you set permissions on the filesystem not in fstab |
| 00:44.29 | nvz | you only need to set permissions in fstab if the fs itself doesnt have such permissions |
| 00:49.54 | Joit | basically it will work to leave that and only have at the end somethink like /home ext4 0 2 ? |
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| 00:51.23 | nvz | after the mountpoint is the options, the fstype goes before |
| 00:51.28 | nvz | erm |
| 00:51.36 | nvz | after the fstype is the options rather |
| 00:52.48 | nvz | for a homedir if not defaults you probably at least want auto |
| 00:55.55 | Joit | so you mean leave the options blank and only set the permissions at he fiesystem |
| 00:56.24 | nvz | no |
| 00:56.30 | nvz | you cannot leave any fields blank |
| 00:56.38 | nvz | you can in some cases put none |
| 00:57.01 | nvz | what I am saying is that you can just use "defaults" and set your permissions on the dir of the filesystem |
| 00:57.50 | nvz | if you put none, the filesystem will not even be mounted at all |
| 00:58.19 | Joit | welli had that before, defaults, then seems i had to add rw, because the xserver didnt start anymore with the user acc, nly at root |
| 00:58.22 | nvz | if you leave it blank it will think the next field is the options |
| 00:58.38 | nvz | yes, the permissions at the filesystem level were root permissions |
| 00:58.54 | nvz | you have to use chmod and chown to manipulate the permissions of the filesystem |
| 00:58.54 | Joit | mm not really, i did chown it before |
| 00:59.04 | Joit | it must been something else |
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| 00:59.26 | nvz | read only will also happen if pass is enabled and the fs doesnt pass the fsck |
| 00:59.46 | nvz | that has nothing to do with root permissions has to do with the filesystem being mounted read-only |
| 01:00.29 | Joit | well, it was set to read&write for user xxx. what should had worked |
| 01:01.21 | Joit | once, deleting xauthority and iceauthority it worked, then it did not, also anything at my browser like cookies did reset |
| 01:01.40 | nvz | all user does is control who can mount the filesystem |
| 01:02.00 | nvz | you are just seriously overthinking whatever it is you're doing |
| 01:02.10 | Joit | including accessing it ? like the printer group or anything else |
| 01:02.22 | nvz | doing a ton of stuff no user should ever be doing or need to do |
| 01:02.38 | nvz | it has absolutely nothing to do with who can access it |
| 01:02.41 | nvz | only who can mount it |
| 01:02.55 | nvz | if it were something like fat, it would also effect permission |
| 01:03.06 | nvz | because fat doesnt have posix permissions |
| 01:03.08 | nvz | ext4 does |
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| 01:08.07 | sponix2ipfw | genr8_: what other security measures do you focus on? |
| 01:08.24 | Joit | yay,daily dc, and could not reoconnect, because the channel ist set to +registered only |
| 01:08.45 | Joit | well i only want to know, what its set usually, ie at an installation, but i can not find any examples on the web for it |
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| 01:09.35 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: set on what. Your home directory? |
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| 01:10.04 | Joit | sponix2ipfw: how the entry at fstab for the home entry usually looks like for a normal user |
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| 01:10.39 | Joit | mainly the options part |
| 01:11.04 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: let me ssh into my rig |
| 01:11.11 | Joit | ty |
| 01:11.23 | sponix2ipfw | See what I can do from my phone lol |
| 01:11.59 | Joit | well so far you dont ssh into amazon and make some unpredicted orders :P |
| 01:12.59 | sponix2ipfw | UUID=f85f4c11-7c66-4f75-8429-cf733c442bd9 /home ext4 defaults,noatime 1 2 |
| 01:13.33 | sponix2ipfw | That is my home partition |
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| 01:14.05 | Joit | hmm, i had to mirror my hdd, had about the same, but got permission problems with defaults, no i set to owner,rw, and it seems works better |
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| 01:14.15 | sponix2ipfw | I'm generally not considered normal though |
| 01:14.22 | Joit | i configured also lightdm with a different backround picture, what now shows up |
| 01:14.32 | Joit | aah, yes, that can be a point too :D |
| 01:15.03 | Joit | i think i had it set to defaults usually too, but anyhow, it seems it did not work right |
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| 01:15.56 | Joit | and seems no one want give at the web an example, how it can look like and works very basic |
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| 01:16.26 | sponix2ipfw | drwxr-xr-x 10 ipt ipt 4096 Feb 17 2020 ipt |
| 01:16.34 | Joit | but anyway, thanks, at last, i see, what it is set at normal |
| 01:16.53 | sponix2ipfw | My ipt users home directory permissions |
| 01:17.43 | genr8_ | Theres a lot of stuff related to EFI Secureboot and Locking the Kernel Down. and I just started dabbling in this stuff called IMA / EVM which signs ALL the files on your drive and some other thing called SMACK that sets security xattrs on all your files (but i havent figured out how exactly those work yet) |
| 01:19.48 | Joit | i chowned my home also before to user rw- other r, because i have dual boot and a linux reader at windows, what didnt work anymore with defaults at fstab |
| 01:20.18 | Joit | so i assume, something was not proper set up the way it should be |
| 01:20.44 | Joit | it did not even find the user dir anymore |
| 01:21.17 | genr8_ | i also went through and found any options I dont need that could be used as attack vectors and disabled them. Like that EFI_SSDT and ACPI_CONFIG_FS thing . I found out theres an exploit in the wild for that already. That will make it into the default 10.6 kernel changes tomorrow for everyone |
| 01:21.24 | Joit | now i am only puzzeling between user, owner or defaults,rw but not sure, wich one is ok |
| 01:21.55 | nvz | NEITHER is OK |
| 01:22.09 | Joit | ha ha. owner is for now1!!1! |
| 01:22.09 | nvz | you do NOT need rw, you do NOT need user, you do NOT need owner |
| 01:22.23 | nvz | owner only means someone who has permissions to the disk can mount it |
| 01:23.03 | nvz | only root or members of the disk group have permissions to the disk |
| 01:23.23 | nvz | it has absolutely nothing what so !%!#*% ever to do with who can access it |
| 01:24.08 | nvz | only who can _MOUNT_ it |
| 01:24.11 | genr8_ | I found out theres an "apparmor-profiles-extra" package with about 5-6 new programs. It would be cool if we had more AppArmor profiles for everything |
| 01:24.16 | Joit | well, but right now, it seems it depends how the fstab is set, that the filesystem works better, not sure why, and i understand, what you mean |
| 01:24.20 | nvz | and you probably want it _AUTO_ mounted |
| 01:24.38 | genr8_ | I also wanna get into sharing SELinux profiles, maybe borrow some from Centos |
| 01:24.38 | Joit | but after that logic, auto only means, it guess the filesystem |
| 01:24.40 | nvz | which is the default, as is rw |
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| 01:24.46 | Joit | what it obviously does, nothng else |
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| 01:25.20 | somiaj | genr8_: they are slowly being added, and with apparmor being more default the SELinux, I would expect to see more apparmor profiles before selinux. Though at some level this are often best to create (or modify) to fit your risk model. |
| 01:26.06 | nvz | rw is a _default_ option, it occurs automatically when you set "defaults" |
| 01:26.07 | genr8_ | yeah. I wanna see some more SystemD security profiles too. |
| 01:26.33 | nvz | if you'd stop arguing about nonsense maybe you can get at what is actually the problem |
| 01:28.09 | genr8_ | I wish more people were into it, its kind of 1 level above me, creating my own will be a massive job. I also like the idea of basic auditing like auditd and IDS change alert systems like tripwire |
| 01:28.45 | genr8_ | im new at all this |
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| 01:29.46 | Joit | well nvz, its not arguing about nonsense, it is, what did happen. I SET IT TO DEFAULT and it didnt work. Seems you only DID NOT GET IT. and if this is to hard to discuss for you, then please stop and Thank you for your sugesstions. No more need fr you to bother, when you only can talk "nonsense" by yourself |
| 01:30.13 | nvz | first off its not default, its defaults |
| 01:30.15 | nvz | plural |
| 01:30.27 | nvz | clearly based on our conversation I can tell you are not a native english speaker |
| 01:30.36 | nvz | which is likely part of the problem |
| 01:31.02 | Joit | NVZ I DO NOT FUCKING CARE. you can skip your grammar moaning, it s not objectiv, its more like a dumb excuse from you for your .. |
| 01:31.04 | Joit | crap |
| 01:31.40 | Joit | it was defaults, if i repat it here without the s, it doesnt mean it was in fstab like that, man man man |
| 01:32.05 | Joit | i have some backups commentes, and its definetly defaults, but your only fk problem is, how i spell it in here? |
| 01:32.12 | Joit | you are a waste, really |
| 01:32.21 | gry | sorry mate it makes it more difficult to understand you |
| 01:32.54 | gry | i suspect nvz doesn't appreciate being yelled at, you could say instead "sorry nvz i lack energy today and this problem is so frustrating, i'll try to be as clear as i can" |
| 01:33.08 | Joit | gry he complains about how i write my mount point at fstab here, if i write defaults, or default, and thinks, then it must be wrong in my fstab |
| 01:33.28 | Joit | i hope so, he is not really a help, when he cant stay straigth |
| 01:33.39 | gry | when people suggest me to tie shoelaces when i'm asking about broken glasses, i tie shoelaces and say "look, the problem is still there" |
| 01:33.45 | gry | seems easier than to convince them to change their mind |
| 01:34.33 | Joit | i said that, i said, what is the /home usually set at at fstab, and said also, i had to mirror my hdd, and after that, my home didnt really work anymore |
| 01:34.36 | nvz | I don't care if he comes here and yells at me directly.. what bothers me is they are seriously screwing up their system based on silly assumptions and will likely continue to ask for support here in the future and this misunderstanding will only waste the time of voluneer supporters in the future because its not being addressed now |
| 01:35.08 | Joit | man man, i only did want to know, what the standrad entry for home at fstab looks like |
| 01:35.24 | nvz | it just says default |
| 01:35.29 | Joit | and sponix answered it well, he gave an example from his one |
| 01:35.38 | nvz | his is not standard |
| 01:36.17 | nvz | the installer will make / errors=remount-ro and /home "defaults" |
| 01:36.31 | nvz | will be 0 1 and /home will be 0 0 |
| 01:37.05 | Joit | 0 0 would mean, it will never be checked ? |
| 01:37.38 | nvz | well thats actually not default either.. I forgot this machine I had replaced the hdd for /home as well :P |
| 01:38.12 | Joit | yes, the same happens to me a few times too, and sometimes all works, sometimes not |
| 01:38.29 | nvz | well the problem likely occured when you migrated the data |
| 01:38.43 | nvz | onto the new drive |
| 01:38.45 | Joit | i did rsync with all rights and users |
| 01:38.57 | nvz | are you certain the uids all lined up? |
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| 01:39.19 | Joit | i chowned afterwards again |
| 01:39.38 | Joit | with -R |
| 01:39.43 | nvz | with a recursive ..right.. |
| 01:40.41 | nvz | I suggest you revisit what is actually happening.. verifying your assumptions.. the mount command without options will show what actually took place |
| 01:40.57 | nvz | rw,realtime is implied by "defaults" |
| 01:41.01 | nvz | for ext4 |
| 01:41.11 | nvz | each filesystem has its own default options |
| 01:41.23 | nvz | so specifying rw has absolutley no effect |
| 01:41.41 | nvz | its already specified, or should be by rw |
| 01:41.48 | nvz | erm by defaults rather |
| 01:42.31 | nvz | its these things you should be investigating, not just trying things on a whim |
| 01:42.44 | nvz | seeing what actually happens when you say defaults, by running the mount command |
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| 01:43.00 | Joit | well, yes, it worked before 2 days alll with defaults. Then i did repair my dual boot from windows, means, i loaded a windows rescue cd, fixed the boot, whateer it did, and voila, linux had the permission problem |
| 01:43.57 | nvz | idk it sounded to me like you were accessing the linux volume from windows |
| 01:44.06 | nvz | in something you said earlier |
| 01:44.16 | Joit | i still can not really figure out, what did happen, and home is 650 gb. not sure, where i really can look, only chown it and chmod it |
| 01:44.23 | nvz | which means your windows system could've corrupted the filesystem when you have an issue with windows and needed to repair it |
| 01:44.50 | Joit | yes, well, i tried to read it, its a program called linux reader, but it dont makes changes only read it |
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| 01:45.32 | nvz | yeah.. and I go down chimneys all over the world in a night delivering toys to children |
| 01:45.34 | Joit | so far i know, windows doesnt access linux partitions |
| 01:45.45 | nvz | no, not natively |
| 01:46.03 | Joit | well, i set the permission afterwrds again, did not start windows anymore, but still the error occurs |
| 01:46.32 | nvz | to my knowledge you have not shown any actual errors, or actual information from your system |
| 01:46.43 | nvz | all I've seen is stuff that makes absolutley no sense at all |
| 01:46.56 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: you could boot from Debian live USB and fsck that partition and then mount it and see if root can view it properly |
| 01:46.57 | gry | Joit: what error is it? |
| 01:48.08 | Joit | gry i could not start xserver anymore with the user, only with root. also, i made a backround picture at lightdm, what never worked at fstab defaults. now i set to owner, and the backround picture works. but mainly its the problem to statrt xserver |
| 01:48.28 | Joit | sponix i did that also, fsck runs all times fin |
| 01:48.30 | Joit | fine |
| 01:48.33 | gry | oh! that sounds a bit inconvenient |
| 01:48.34 | nvz | the xserver isn't supposed to be able to be started as root |
| 01:48.39 | nvz | erm as a user |
| 01:48.55 | nvz | Joit: have you upgraded from an old debian release recently? |
| 01:48.57 | gry | what happens when you log in with lightdm? what does it do instead of logging you in? |
| 01:49.01 | nvz | when all this started happening |
| 01:49.16 | Joit | no, its a fresh installation, no upgrade |
| 01:50.19 | Joit | gry it drops me back to the login window, xserver doesnt start |
| 01:50.27 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: you need to rm the Xauthority dot file in your user's home directory |
| 01:50.48 | Joit | when i then alt-F2 to antother console, and startx, it works for a user without root |
| 01:50.58 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: then the user can use X again |
| 01:51.50 | Joit | it did load xfce, then i could connect also at alt-f7, then alt-f2 back to the other console, end the session, and still running it at alt-f7 ... to confuse now anythin g:p |
| 01:52.19 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: running X as root or with sudo breaks that file |
| 01:52.25 | gry | Joit: follow sponix2ipfw's suggestion, then try to log in with lightdm |
| 01:52.46 | gry | Joit: remove the .Xauthority from your home directory, exit all X sessions, then log in with lightdm only |
| 01:52.48 | Joit | sponix i did that a couple of times, before this "fix windows startup" it worked by that, after that, it didnt work anymore, to only delete .Xauth and .ICE* |
| 01:53.11 | gry | Joit: didn't get that, please rephrase |
| 01:53.14 | Joit | i had to delete both, not only Xauthority |
| 01:53.48 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: take the dot xsession-errors out also |
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| 01:55.02 | Joit | gry i first could start the xserver with deleting .Xauthorithy, then, (because i have windows at an other hdd, what didnt work anymore after the mirror the hdd) after fixing windows startup, it did not work anymore to only delete .Xauth, the xserver still did not start |
| 01:58.30 | gry | Joit: did you remove .xsession-error* ? did it start working after that ? if not, pastebin output of 'ls -la $HOME', maybe |
| 01:58.31 | Joit | i am looking through my xsessions-error now, but seems is updated |
| 01:59.18 | Joit | i think i did not remove it, but i cleaned also the tmp, like some suggested at some postings |
| 01:59.30 | Joit | at last the x-reltated stuff |
| 01:59.57 | gry | Joit: okay |
| 02:00.10 | gry | Joit: you may wish to remove the *xsession-error* files, and check for the issue |
| 02:00.13 | Joit | right now, my xsession-errors is from the last 2 hours, where all worked |
| 02:00.33 | gry | Joit: it doesn't matter what time it was; we want that file to be gone completely because of permissions issues |
| 02:00.34 | Joit | but i have my fstab set to owner,rw |
| 02:00.52 | gry | Joit: if you don't want to remove it, move it to ~/myxsession-errors.old, or something, please |
| 02:01.41 | Joit | well, i ont care, its at the trashfolder now |
| 02:01.49 | Joit | i know, it weill be re-created |
| 02:02.15 | gry | Joit: also it is important that you quit all Xorg sessions before starting to log in again, otherwise it may be running as a wrong user or mess up the permissions again |
| 02:03.14 | Joit | so, you now think, set the /home back to defaults at fstab and reboot and all should work ? |
| 02:04.38 | gry | Joit: I'm not an expert with fstab, but I think this may be a good plan |
| 02:05.02 | Joit | yeah, i can set it back manually anyway, if it wil not work |
| 02:05.10 | nvz | I can assure you that the fstab has absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with this issue |
| 02:06.05 | Joit | nvz, the only thing what is weird for me, is, after i changed this lines at fstab, and did nothing else, the xserver worked again, also this backround image at lightdm |
| 02:06.08 | nvz | especially since according to what you told us, the only thing you actually did was change who can mount the filesystem |
| 02:06.36 | nvz | thats all you realize that you've done |
| 02:06.45 | nvz | you probably also rebooted which in turn did a number of things |
| 02:06.45 | Joit | nvz i couldnt really figure that out also by myself, because that would be my logic too |
| 02:06.59 | nvz | it probably checked the filesystem again, it logged out, it restarted services.. |
| 02:07.03 | gry | let's see what happens after your reboot |
| 02:07.34 | gry | you can go to tty and check that *xsession-error* and *Xauthority* files are absent before you log in to lightdm |
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| 02:08.59 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: if this fails create a new user and try lightdm login to the new user |
| 02:09.12 | gry | good idea :) |
| 02:10.05 | Joit | well, then i have to puzzle out again, what then now is the difference between my old, loved one user, and the new created one :p |
| 02:10.08 | sponix2ipfw | Then instead of a Full rsync. Just copy and paste only needed data over using the file manager in X |
| 02:12.30 | Joit | sponix well gladly, i have all the datas now from my old hdd (It did make some weird noises) its only, that the home dont work well anymore |
| 02:12.55 | sponix2ipfw | Joit: if you honestly want me to explain that. You will have to wait until I get home to a real keyboard lol |
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| 02:13.46 | sponix2ipfw | Should be home in less than 30 minutes |
| 02:13.47 | Joit | no, its ok, sponix haha, i am ok, when i only know a normal entry at fstab for my /home, and to be save, that nothing else goes wrong in the future |
| 02:14.54 | Joit | ok, i go for a reboot |
| 02:15.18 | Joit | thanks so far, and maybe later haha |
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| 02:22.29 | Joit | ok back, and seems all works normal again. just lightdm dont work with the backround picture i made but it seems thats a problem of lightdm |
| 02:26.58 | Joit | thanks for the help, now i go to see, if the rest works too, bye. |
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| 02:33.15 | sponix2ipfw | Another satisfied customer |
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| 02:35.17 | hmuller | aren't you supposed to say "next!" |
| 02:35.24 | Unit193 | Does it have permissions to read it? Usually it uses the background as set by accountsservice. |
| 02:35.34 | sponix2ipfw | hmuller: nope.. I'm spent |
| 02:35.39 | hmuller | =) |
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| 03:04.43 | genr8_ | Does anyone know how proprietary modules like NVidia are supposed to be rebuilt for the new kernel ? |
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| 03:07.12 | sponix | genr8_: via dkms |
| 03:10.03 | genr8_ | oh weird. they're here now |
| 03:16.10 | genr8_ | thats super weird. I rebooted the new kernel and I had no video, I checked on them in /lib/modules/ and they werent there.... then i rebooted, and they ARE here, dated prior to me rebooting |
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| 03:17.13 | sponix | genr8_: you been drinking ? |
| 03:17.33 | genr8_ | no.... im checking the logs to make sure im not crazy |
| 03:27.17 | genr8_ | my best guess it they were busy recompiling when I went to restart the first time (it did take an extremely long time), and they got put in /tmp or something... then they didnt exist in the /lib/modules dir when I booted the new kernel, but they were like 99% built. then when I booted back into my old kernel, they got placed in the right dir with the old date |
| 03:29.53 | genr8_ | I still have no idea what service was called to get them auto-built |
| 03:32.09 | somiaj | I think your guess is wrong, they won't auto-build, dkms builds are triggered when you install kernels |
| 03:32.27 | somiaj | an upgrae won't complete (and be stuck in a configure state) if the modules weren't built |
| 03:32.29 | genr8_ | why wasnt it visible ? |
| 03:32.59 | somiaj | I am not gonna guess on that, but there could have been some other issue. |
| 03:33.08 | somiaj | and just rebooting won't magically build the missing modules |
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| 03:35.00 | genr8_ | you know all the "modules.dep, modules.alias" regular files etc in the lib/modules/$kernel dir ? |
| 03:36.28 | genr8_ | Where do those come from ? Cause they are timestamped < 1 minute after rebooting into the new kernel |
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| 03:43.33 | KNERD | What is a good 3D editor for .STL fiiles? Not Blender though, that seems to be more of a animation studio |
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| 03:47.37 | genr8_ | I found it. /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms |
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| 03:48.04 | genr8_ | and /usr/lib/dkms/dkms_autoinstaller |
| 03:54.14 | genr8_ | Yep i was right. /usr/sbin/dkms uses tmp files/dirs |
| 03:55.28 | genr8_ | # Create temp dirs and copy files for build. tmp_location=${TMPDIR:-/tmp} local temp_dir_name=`mktemp -d $tmp_location/dkms.XXXXXX` |
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| 05:32.36 | genr8_ | Bah what did I do wrong here with these kernel modules ? https://i.imgur.com/xxXvhQk.png |
| 05:35.14 | nkuttler | genr8_: why do you think you did something wrong? |
| 05:35.48 | somiaj | did you just copy the modules over from a different kernel? |
| 05:36.46 | genr8_ | no, I tried to do the right thing but its missing functions. when the kernel was built, it did not know about these modules |
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| 05:38.22 | genr8_ | the Nvidia module is a DKMS module, which I rebuilt for the new kernel, so that should work. The VBoxDrv one is the host driver that came from Virtualbox, which I have no idea how it got built |
| 05:39.22 | nvz | your source/headers didnt exactly match the running kernel |
| 05:39.40 | somiaj | well unknown symbols make it sounds like it wasn't properly compiled for or compadable with the kernel you are using. |
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| 05:46.46 | nvz | how _exactly_ the source/headers has to match depends on the options like CONFIG_MODVERSION and such that you chose |
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| 05:47.26 | genr8_ | that matches |
| 05:47.39 | nvz | bottom line is, you screwed up either compiling your kernel or supplying the right source/headers for building your 3rd part modules |
| 05:47.54 | genr8_ | the kernel is missing the symbols is what it is. I think because I stripped the symbols out first, before it knew these modules would need them. |
| 05:48.56 | genr8_ | CONFIG_TRIM_UNUSED_KSYMS=y |
| 05:49.08 | nvz | heh |
| 05:49.15 | nvz | thats only one of the 3 problems I see |
| 05:49.17 | genr8_ | and the modules were out of tree, so it didnt know them. |
| 05:49.28 | genr8_ | 3 ? |
| 05:49.41 | nvz | yes you are only seeing the symbols issue cause its the most repeated |
| 05:49.58 | nvz | you are ignoring the disagree about symbol module layout, and verification failed |
| 05:50.06 | nvz | these are 3 seperate issues |
| 05:50.19 | nvz | one has to do with module signing |
| 05:50.24 | nvz | one has to do with module versioning |
| 05:50.26 | genr8_ | i forgot to sign one. i fixed that. |
| 05:50.35 | nvz | and the other has to do with the symbols you stripped |
| 05:50.40 | genr8_ | thats 2 issues |
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| 05:51.26 | nvz | with/without CONFIG_MODVERSION the kernel behaves differently on version checking |
| 05:51.37 | nvz | one way it checks only the kernel/source version |
| 05:51.38 | genr8_ | they both have that |
| 05:51.49 | nvz | the other way it checks the specific kernel configuration |
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| 05:52.27 | nvz | which means the Module.symvers file has to match |
| 05:52.37 | nvz | the running kernel exactly |
| 05:52.49 | nvz | not just the source version number |
| 05:52.57 | genr8_ | I think I know what the issue is |
| 05:53.19 | genr8_ | the kernel comes with an in-tree VboxDRV module, but im using an out of tree one |
| 05:53.49 | nvz | shrugs |
| 05:54.00 | genr8_ | ill look into it |
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| 05:54.58 | genr8_ | no im wrong on that aspect also. it must disagree for some other reason |
| 05:55.00 | somiaj | What kernel contains an in-tree vbox module? This has always been a thrid party module. Also what kernel are you compling and why. |
| 05:55.02 | nvz | I'm just givin ya my two cents worth.. I saw three issues, I told ya about all I know about it.. heh.. used to compile kernels all the time, bought books on it and crap.. but that was ages ago.. I've only took a run at modern kernel once.. |
| 05:55.21 | somiaj | also I don't really see what this has to do with debian, you are compiling a custom kernel, why not just use the one from debian stable? |
| 05:55.31 | nvz | the 2.x kernels I used to mess with and the 3.x-5.x kernels are a whole different ballgame :P |
| 05:56.15 | genr8_ | im using the debian kernel and the tools |
| 05:56.24 | nvz | I havent had time to keep up.. the 5.x kernel I made worked but I fudged a few things :P |
| 05:56.51 | nvz | last kernel I compiled before that was a 2.6 one so :D |
| 05:57.01 | somiaj | genr8_: you must be doing something strange then, since the debian kernel does contain the symbols needed for both vbox and nvidia |
| 05:57.31 | genr8_ | i said i used this to strip them, CONFIG_TRIM_UNUSED_KSYMS=y , before it knew about the extra modules |
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| 05:57.50 | somiaj | so you aren't using a debian kernel? You are using your own custom compiled kernel? Which is it? |
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| 05:58.10 | nvz | they've been talking about compiling a kernel for the last many hours now |
| 05:58.31 | nvz | they sound new to it.. and need more practice :P |
| 05:58.57 | nvz | I've compiled a ton of em, and my first go at 5.x was about as successful as their attempt :D |
| 05:59.36 | somiaj | Yea, kernels are way different these days, and most the time there is little gain from rolling your own. |
| 06:00.09 | nvz | sounds to me like they're reaching a point of enlightenment where they are seeing ghosts everywhere |
| 06:00.17 | nvz | and trying to iron out threats |
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| 06:00.52 | nvz | and probably causing more holes in the long run.. but ya gotta learn somehow :P |
| 06:00.58 | genr8_ | if youve never compiled your own kernel you have no idea whats in it |
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| 06:01.56 | nvz | well I'd bought O'reilly's Understanding The Linux Kernel back in the day.. and it was pretty amazing.. but they can't keep up with the development.. so unfortunately there isnt such a comprehensive read I know of that is current |
| 06:02.23 | nvz | I think the one I bought was for the 2.4 kernel and by time I groked it, 2.6 was stable |
| 06:02.57 | nvz | and 2.6 was like a totally different animal.. things had drastically changed |
| 06:03.57 | nvz | my first go around with 5.x blew my mind all over again.. heh |
| 06:05.36 | genr8_ | ok, all the kernel symbols end up in /boot/System.map-4.19.0-11-amd64 |
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| 06:06.26 | genr8_ | a text file with addresses. i found differences. I have the symbol but its not exported |
| 06:07.07 | genr8_ | now i need to figure out how these /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-4.19/scripts/ scripts work |
| 06:08.28 | nvz | did you build your own headers package? |
| 06:08.49 | genr8_ | yeah i have it. the scripts built it |
| 06:09.24 | nvz | if you built it along with your kernel then they should match.. that output suggests they dont |
| 06:09.43 | nvz | do you have other 4.19 headers installed? did you install yours? |
| 06:10.22 | nvz | cause it sounds to me like you configured your kernel for the strict matching of version |
| 06:10.23 | genr8_ | i built all the debs on a VM, it doesnt know that I had those 2 modules on my main machine |
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| 06:10.46 | nvz | yes you've said that many times now |
| 06:10.59 | nvz | and I'm telling you that you didnt just make a single error :P |
| 06:11.06 | nvz | I also said that several times :P |
| 06:11.08 | genr8_ | im working on it |
| 06:11.17 | nvz | fair enough.. |
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| 06:15.40 | genr8_ | shouldnt 10.6 be coming out soon |
| 06:16.06 | nvz | idk, dont keep track of such silly things |
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| 06:16.38 | nvz | I'm the one who coined the term Shiny New Shit Syndrome |
| 06:16.40 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:17.23 | alex11 | tomorrow |
| 06:17.24 | nvz | point releases arent really much more than the project rolling out fresh new images with all the fixes to date |
| 06:17.46 | nvz | if they didnt make point releases, we as users who already have the system installed would still get the fixes anyhow |
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| 06:37.08 | genr8_ | im on the right track again |
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| 06:53.47 | genr8_ | oh ffs /usr/src/vboxhost-6.1.14/vboxdrv/.tmp_SUPDrvTracer.o: warning: objtool: .text+0x7: indirect jump found in RETPOLINE build |
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| 07:44.30 | fxp | morning |
| 07:44.45 | fxp | how do I specify multiple architectures in a deb control file? |
| 07:45.16 | fxp | I've tried Architecture: i386, amd but dpkg-deb is telling me this is not a valid architecture |
| 07:45.34 | fxp | * i386, amd64 |
| 07:54.32 | nvz | afaik there is no such thing |
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| 07:54.47 | nvz | you make packages either for a specific arch or for "all" |
| 07:54.57 | nvz | if the package isnt arch specific |
| 07:55.10 | nvz | i.e. documentation or headers or something |
| 07:55.35 | nvz | if its compiled, then its either one or the other |
| 07:55.58 | jumijoze | ywow mit höhenmeteréinblendungen |
| 07:56.09 | nvz | !pl |
| 07:56.10 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net - debian-user-polish@lists.debian.org |
| 07:56.46 | nvz | makes a wild guess |
| 07:57.06 | tomreyn | -de would have been correct, if with a french accent aigu |
| 07:57.30 | nvz | yeah wasnt enough there for me to go on.. nick sounded polish |
| 07:58.26 | nvz | something north-central europe |
| 07:58.26 | fxp | nvz, thanks |
| 07:59.00 | nvz | or scandanavian perhaps :P |
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| 07:59.29 | nvz | !de |
| 07:59.29 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org |
| 08:00.06 | genr8_ | fxp: Architecture: amd64 i386 |
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| 08:00.30 | genr8_ | Architecture: all |
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| 08:01.59 | n4dir | i think in germany you call it central europe, not north-central. Never heard that |
| 08:02.19 | n4dir | not that it would matter, i just had to think a few seconds what that might be |
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| 08:05.19 | nvz | idk, I recognize languages I dont know by lat/lon.. its something near poland, germany, norway, sweeden area :P |
| 08:05.50 | nvz | i.e. far north, kinda in the middle.. :P |
| 08:06.20 | n4dir | i might well be wrong. Even old dogs learn new things. Just that *i* never heard that term |
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| 08:06.47 | nvz | yeah well I'm from the US so the world is flat, and ends at the ocean.. :P |
| 08:07.12 | n4dir | ha ha. Yeah, but the same is valid the other way around. I hardly know anyone being able to spot the US states |
| 08:08.50 | n4dir | Europe, at the end of the day, is just a tiny peninsula in the far west of asia |
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| 08:15.56 | nvz | yeah well either way I dont think it was much more than an accident.. and was german.. cause lookin closer at the tranwreck that is compound words in german, I see meterein (meters) |
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| 08:16.45 | n4dir | wow mit höhenmetereinblendung is german. |
| 08:17.12 | nvz | I only had a brief intro to german like 25 years ago.. and been avoiding it ever since due to crap like that.. it horrifies me the way they run words together like that |
| 08:17.15 | flayer | n4dir, which is why it must be defended, even if it ruled unjustly over the rest of it for centuries |
| 08:18.09 | ratrace | "tiny peninsula".... and yet the craddle of human civilization as we know it :) btw, slightly tiny, like the peninsula, bit offtopic :) |
| 08:18.25 | n4dir | nvz: it is the language of soldiers. Arthur C. Doyle points out the horrible german language in "bohemien". In a funny way, but he is not wrong |
| 08:18.58 | n4dir | yeah, i will stop with offtopic. sorry. I got a hang for it ... |
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| 09:07.01 | Lope | Debian host and guest VM. I pause the guest, then I suspend the host. Then some time later I resume the host, and then resume the guest. The guest time is wrong for quite a long time. |
| 09:07.11 | Lope | How can I force the guest to update it's time? |
| 09:07.25 | n4dir | ntpq or such |
| 09:07.26 | ratrace | use a ntp sync daemon |
| 09:07.45 | willow_ | systemd time |
| 09:07.57 | Lope | I don't have any ntp installed on the guest. Should I install it? |
| 09:08.09 | willow_ | timedatectl IIRC |
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| 09:10.16 | ratrace | Lope: you have systemd-timesyncd at least. or use any of the daemons like ntp, openntp, chrony |
| 09:10.28 | ratrace | (assuming linux guest) |
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| 09:17.20 | ratrace | Lope: I thought maybe with kvm-clock paravirtualized hwclock one wouldn't need an ntpd in the guest, and that may be the case, but from what I read online there still exists a problem with exactly your use case: suspending and resuming guests. |
| 09:18.32 | ratrace | so either use an ntpd or try scheduling `hwclock -s` on resume somehow in the guest, and libvirt should have its own functions for that like "guest-set-time" but I have very little experience with libvirt, I prefer qemu directly |
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| 09:19.45 | willow_ | man systemd-timesyncd.service |
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| 09:36.24 | RadoS | ratrace, saw my feedback about "quiet" making a difference, but producing unwanted kernel messages? |
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| 09:37.29 | RadoS | So, with "quiet" on A it's no kernel and no services, but with "quiet" on B it suppresses only kernel but keeps services showing. |
| 09:38.27 | RadoS | How to track this further? How to check for plymouth? |
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| 09:52.30 | ratrace | RadoS: I think I no longer understand what you wanted to achieve. Can you be more specific? |
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| 09:53.28 | ratrace | removing "quiet" will show both kernel and systemd output, yes. I don't know if you can show one and not the other. plymouth is a package, check it with `dpkg -l plymouth` and see if it's installed. should be, it's default. it's used for boot splash graphics and related. |
| 09:53.53 | ratrace | "splash" kernel command line controls that part. I don't know if debian has any default plymouth splash graphics like ubuntu has. |
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| 10:41.18 | oxek | debian 10.6 has been released? |
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| 10:42.48 | RoyK | oxek: no iso out, AFAICS |
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| 10:45.56 | oxek | RoyK: no news about it either |
| 10:46.28 | ratrace | oxek: yes, looks like it's in apt update channels |
| 10:47.02 | oxek | good thing that it happens over the weekend |
| 10:47.21 | ratrace | when it happens is irrelevant. one shouldn't use unattended upgrades. |
| 10:48.05 | oxek | ,v unattended-upgrades |
| 10:48.06 | judd | Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.93.1+nmu1; buster: 1.11.2; bullseye: 2.7; sid: 2.7 |
| 10:48.07 | oxek | ^ this? |
| 10:48.18 | ratrace | that or any other form of auto upgrades with no admin oversight |
| 10:48.46 | oxek | yeah, you make a good point |
| 10:49.44 | oxek | I know it's wishful thinking, it would be nice if the release date was announced in advance and coordinated with making release notes available |
| 10:49.57 | ratrace | oxek: it is, subscribe to the announces mailing list |
| 10:51.02 | oxek | ratrace: don't see anything https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2020/threads.html |
| 10:51.18 | oxek | I mean, I don't see anything about 10.6 |
| 10:53.03 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 10:53.04 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; |
| 10:53.05 | judd | bullseye: 78.3.0esr-2; sid: 78.3.0esr-2 |
| 10:53.25 | NetTerminalGene | it's not acceptable |
| 10:53.36 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: what isn't acceptable? |
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| 10:53.52 | NetTerminalGene | still no firefox update |
| 10:54.03 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: ask for your money back |
| 10:54.14 | NetTerminalGene | i will sue them |
| 10:54.26 | ratrace | oxek: that's weird, they usually always are announced |
| 10:54.58 | oxek | ratrace: that's why I asked here, out of confusion due to lack of information |
| 10:55.17 | oxek | I know people in here know a lot more than I do |
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| 10:56.37 | ratrace | oxek: ah yes, they're in the debian-security ML.... https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2020/09/msg00000.html |
| 10:57.22 | oxek | oh, I thought I was subscribed to that one too, turns out I wasn't |
| 10:57.25 | oxek | thanks |
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| 11:00.05 | oxek | I was wrong, I was subscribed to that one, but did not spot that message |
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| 11:38.57 | Mazhive | howcan i debug a preseed file for errors |
| 11:39.25 | gry | Hi Mazhive. what is a preseed file? what is the contest here? Thanks |
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| 11:42.17 | tomreyn | a preseed file is a way for automating debian installations, and i think you mean to ask about the conteXt. ;-) |
| 11:43.28 | tomreyn | i know this, but not how to debug or even lint preseed files. |
| 11:47.05 | Mazhive | tomreyn your right preseed.cfg files are for automated installs using any media a preseed.cfg file has all the answers lined up for thee install to - proceed - a install without user interaction. |
| 11:48.26 | gry | may I ask you for a tip or tutorial about how preseed files work and how to use them? you're right, I had a typo |
| 11:48.55 | gry | just one link would work, I use them to organize my reading lists |
| 11:49.07 | hmuller | gry: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.en.html |
| 11:49.14 | gry | thank you! |
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| 11:50.14 | hmuller | welcome |
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| 12:24.59 | Mazhive | right now i am using a pxe server to automate install. a install normaly takes about 1 hours not every other changes and add packages included that takes at least another hour so automating it would take about 30 minutes , the amount of time can greatly reduce to do a install |
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| 12:42.47 | JyZyXEL | in the Debian Announcement emails about point releases, does anyone else get the list always in a corrupted text form? |
| 12:43.27 | JyZyXEL | seems to be consistently broken, at least when viewed in Kmail |
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| 12:46.34 | LtL | JyZyXEL: no |
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| 13:23.46 | codedmart | Taking the plunge into installing debian this morning from my archlinux install. Is this the best guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html will there be anything I am missing that the debian installer does for me not in this article? |
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| 13:25.21 | reith | Hi. I'm packaging a software that before has been installed without package manager. Is there a mechanism in debian to mark a package conflicts with some files and prompts user to remove those files? This package doesn't install files in same path as before.. so i look for a mechanism to delete (ask user and if he allowed delete file otherwise fail packge installation) file in path_a while my package |
| 13:25.27 | reith | installs that file in path_b. |
| 13:25.55 | n4dir | codedmart: i just followed that guide and it seems to include everything. |
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| 13:27.29 | n4dir | as far i see it doesn't include what the debian installer offers via tasksel at the end: choosing to install a GUI and a bit more (cups and such) |
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| 13:27.57 | codedmart | n4dir: Great, yeah I am fine doing that bit. |
| 13:28.36 | n4dir | might be i forgot or oversee something, but i usually strictly follow guides. So it can't be something big you will be missing |
| 13:29.52 | codedmart | n4dir Thanks! |
| 13:30.54 | dob1 | what is umask go= ? |
| 13:31.30 | dob1 | (I know umask command but I am used to mask in "numerical" form) |
| 13:32.25 | ratrace | group + others |
| 13:32.34 | dob1 | and = ? |
| 13:32.49 | hmuller | reith: are you talking about Debian package management, or a language's package management? |
| 13:32.53 | ratrace | = sets, + adds, - substracts |
| 13:33.30 | ratrace | dob1: chmod g+w will add w(rite) flag to current state. g=w will set only w flag |
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| 13:34.10 | dob1 | ratrace, thanks |
| 13:34.19 | reith | hmuller: debian |
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| 13:36.26 | choice | How do I check if I am already on Debian 10.6? |
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| 13:37.42 | LtL | choice: cat /ect/debian_version |
| 13:37.51 | LtL | err /etc |
| 13:37.52 | choice | LtL: Thank you! |
| 13:37.59 | choice | 10.6 :) |
| 13:38.07 | LtL | you're welcome |
| 13:38.09 | hmuller | reith: probably cleaner to offer user an uninstall script to remove an application not installed with package manager first, and then install the package |
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| 13:39.39 | reith | hmuller: that works but should handle package installation failure too.. I'm thinking to install those files by package (so user will be prompted for insalling package) and delete those in configure stage.. going to test that |
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| 13:47.07 | reith | that's strange.. i didnt' install file `a` but in maintainer script removed that and it succeed.. should't package be limited to delete just files it created? |
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| 13:50.07 | reith | (never gonna install a package from unofficial repo without reading postinst) |
| 13:51.51 | tomreyn | dpkg makes the assumption that if it is used, then only dpkg is used for package / software management, and thus it does no harm by overwriting existing files which are not part of another installed debian package. |
| 13:51.52 | dpkg | tomreyn: what are you talking about? |
| 13:52.00 | tomreyn | you! |
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| 13:52.59 | reith | lol |
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| 13:54.04 | reith | tomreyn: well, that's a very sane assumption.. but i guess i can even delete files installed by another package in my package's postinst. haven't tried though |
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| 13:59.04 | reith | (just tried and i can delete all files, installed by user or installed by another package in postinst. learned maintainer scripts can be evil) |
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| 14:03.11 | NetTerminalGene | debian 10.6 released |
| 14:03.45 | NetTerminalGene | there is still no firefox |
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| 14:03.54 | asterismo_l | hi |
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| 14:04.39 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: you said so earlier, and were advised to ask for your money back |
| 14:04.45 | asterismo_l | i'm trying to install debian in a raid1 array of IDE disks (old PC) and after installing grub and rebooting, the system throws a grub rescue |
| 14:05.10 | asterismo_l | error file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found |
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| 14:06.59 | oxek | asterismo_l: mdadm or some hardware raid? |
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| 14:12.06 | nifker | how can I globally export a variable? |
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| 14:15.12 | nkuttler | nifker: what do you hope to accomplish by doing that? |
| 14:15.26 | S3xyL1nux | write the variable to a txt file then read that file remotely |
| 14:16.03 | S3xyL1nux | or just send the file to where ever |
| 14:16.05 | nifker | I would like to export MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 globally because otherwise xdg-open will start firefox without wayland support |
| 14:16.55 | nkuttler | nifker: so by global you mean in your user environment? |
| 14:17.01 | nifker | yes |
| 14:17.40 | nkuttler | nifker: do you use gnome? |
| 14:17.44 | nifker | sway |
| 14:17.49 | nkuttler | eh.. |
| 14:18.16 | nkuttler | if you start sway with that env it should inherit it, no? |
| 14:18.49 | nifker | oh I could add it to the systemd file |
| 14:18.51 | nkuttler | how do you launch sway anyway? |
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| 14:19.06 | nifker | lightdm |
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| 14:21.41 | lovelytingy | hi guys do you how we can change bios dell logo with custom one |
| 14:23.54 | asterismo_l | mdadm |
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| 14:24.10 | tomreyn | reith: yes, files created in postinst aren't tracked, and postinst can do anything root can. so don't install packages from untrusted sources |
| 14:24.48 | asterismo_l | i partition the disks to have two partitions each, the same |
| 14:25.08 | asterismo_l | and every partition as assigned to be used as physical disk for RAID |
| 14:25.27 | asterismo_l | then i create two md devices, one for swap one for / |
| 14:25.49 | asterismo_l | install the system, and finally installer asks if i want to install grub to sda or sdb |
| 14:25.58 | asterismo_l | i choose sda and reboot, and this happens |
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| 14:35.23 | khobo | is there a kind enough soul in here to walk me through installing pureftpd? |
| 14:35.29 | khobo | having some difficulties with the bash and all =/ |
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| 14:41.27 | Franciman | Hi, does anybody have a config for the touchpad so that: you can click by tapping |
| 14:41.37 | Franciman | and use natural scrolling (i.e. reverse scrolling) |
| 14:42.03 | lovelytingy | setting |
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| 15:06.56 | el_cubano | Is there a way to make patches in a quilt series file conditional based on the system architecture? |
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| 15:07.50 | blaztek74 | Why did my Debian version number in /etc/debian_version change from 10.5 to 10.6 when I did an `apt upgrade` today? While during the upgrade, the output displayed the version change. |
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| 15:09.11 | LtL | blaztek74: it is due to the point release, perfectly normal and expected. |
| 15:09.42 | LtL | blaztek74: you have a new kernel, among other things |
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| 15:11.11 | blaztek74 | thank you! I didn't realize the point release. Yes, I saw the kernel change and rebooted. I was only confused because the Debian.org still has the 10.5 links for download. |
| 15:11.47 | LtL | blaztek74: i'm sure the links will be updated soon. |
| 15:12.15 | blaztek74 | okay. I'll check them later. Thank you so much. |
| 15:12.35 | LtL | welcome |
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| 15:23.16 | sk313t0n | I wanna install ascii-xfr on a debian system, but it's not in the repo, and I can't find any download links for it. Does anyone know anything about it? |
| 15:26.57 | n4dir | sk313t0n: apt-file search, which i don't know well, gives me minicom. Doing apt-cache show minicom it doesn't seem to make much sense to me, but you might want to have a look |
| 15:28.27 | codedmart | Alright so I ran through debootstrap and got everthing all good. I already have a bootloader (systemd-boot) and mount /dev/sda1 as boot. I setup /dev/sda3 with luks. I installed cryptsetup-initramfs, and setup a /etc/crypttab. But still not able to boot properly. |
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| 15:29.03 | codedmart | Trying to figure out what I am missing here. It just says can't find /dev/mapper/crypt when I try to boot. |
| 15:30.15 | Mazhive | some one knows in depth of preseed.cfg files commands ? |
| 15:32.41 | Mazhive | i need to know why - d-i preseed/late_command string in-target /bin/bash -c echo "deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/FrodeSolheim:/stable/Debian_10/ /" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/FrodeSolheim-stable.list |
| 15:32.48 | Mazhive | is not getting applied |
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| 15:45.18 | throwthecheese | I have an issue with Stunnel |
| 15:45.37 | throwthecheese | It won't start with the configuration my univ provided |
| 15:45.57 | deego | On one of my newer machines, I saw this warning: "repository ... changed its value ... to 10.6". But, I don't see this on any of the others - the ones that have been around for a long time, and have been dist-upgraded through several major releases. Is there some config option I need to tweak on the latter? |
| 15:46.20 | deego | this was during an "apt update" |
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| 15:47.51 | codedmart | I am chroot'ed into my debian install `bash: initramfs-update: command not found` Shouldn't that be there? I checked in `/usr/sbin` as well, but it isn't there either. |
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| 15:48.33 | throwthecheese | Can anybody help me out with Stunnel? |
| 15:48.36 | LtL | deego: if your /etc/apt/sources.list is correct, all your buster machines should upgrade to 10.6 as of Saturday 26th September |
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| 15:49.06 | deego | yes, ofc, but see my q |
| 15:49.32 | throwthecheese | I installed Stunnel from the official repos but the damn thing won't accept the configuration my university provided |
| 15:49.50 | deego | ltl: the Q is that the update warning seems to be missing on several machines |
| 15:50.21 | throwthecheese | Whenever I start Stunnel, it exits with a message saying SSLv3 is not supported |
| 15:50.45 | LtL | deego: I saw that also on two machines so far. I do not know why some do not show that. |
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| 15:51.11 | deego | ltl: ah, i think it might be because those machines already saw the warning during a crontab auto-update |
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| 15:51.27 | LtL | deego: very possible. |
| 15:51.59 | deego | I have this in a crontab: nice -n 19 apt-get update > /dev/null 2>&1; nice -n 19 apt-get -u dist-upgrade -d -y --force-yes > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 15:52.19 | joepublic | a look at the file /etc/debian_version should let you know what version you are on |
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| 15:52.36 | deego | joepublic: thanks |
| 15:52.37 | codedmart | Oh I see I was using the wrong command. |
| 15:53.28 | throwthecheese | And it looks like that my university network requires SSL3+ since if I manage to start stunnel without errors, my university network blocks me outright instead of requesting authentication |
| 15:54.20 | LtL | deego: for what it's worth, point releases don't require dist-upgrade. A simple apt update && apt upgrade will suffice. |
| 15:54.42 | deego | yes |
| 15:54.55 | deego | i mentioned dist-upgrade about major releases |
| 15:55.14 | LtL | ah, okay sorry |
| 15:55.23 | deego | np, thx for helping |
| 15:57.35 | JyZyXEL | you know, there is unattended-upgrades for this? |
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| 16:00.35 | deego | yeah, idk why i chose to not switch to that when it came about. maybe i should |
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| 16:01.40 | deego | there's a -d in my upgrade in the crontab. does unattended-upgrades provide a -d option? |
| 16:01.51 | reith | another question about maintainer scripts. i see postrm is pre-populated by dh_installsystemd. i want to change this script, can i still have pre-populated script beside my customization? |
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| 16:04.11 | imMute | reith: yes, stick #DEBHELPER# in your template. debhelper will replace that line with the dh_foo added ones. |
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| 16:04.25 | reith | imMute: thanks! |
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| 16:06.28 | xinming_ | Is it possible to download all deb file for all installed packages? Just like apt-get install package-name -y -d |
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| 16:07.01 | hansh | can someone tell the paste.debian.net maintainer than when pasting this https://paste.centos.org/view/80b43a1a , it falsely triggers the "do not spam |
| 16:07.02 | hansh | " filter? |
| 16:07.43 | hansh | because that guy NEVER responds to me. think i got spam-filter-false-positive reports from friggin 2016 that is still waiting for a response from > formorer@debian.org |
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| 17:52.41 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 17:52.43 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; |
| 17:52.44 | judd | bullseye: 78.3.0esr-2; sid: 78.3.0esr-2 |
| 17:54.19 | somiaj | NetTerminalGene: you can /msg judd v firefox-esr |
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| 17:54.51 | NetTerminalGene | noted |
| 17:58.03 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: still? |
| 17:58.20 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: what? |
| 17:58.43 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: you've been doing this thing regarding firefox-esr for the better part of the day |
| 17:59.16 | NetTerminalGene | i am waiting new firefox |
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| 18:00.00 | NetTerminalGene | debian keeps us vulnerable |
| 18:00.01 | oxek | for firefox 78esr to be released to stable, it needs to be built on debian-stable. It was not possible to build it on debian-stable until debian 10.6, which has been released today. |
| 18:00.24 | oxek | the upgrades have not happened yet for a lot of machines |
| 18:00.28 | sney | it also only hit testing yesterday. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr |
| 18:00.49 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: so expect firefox 78esr sometime next week probably |
| 18:01.02 | oxek | plus the CVEs fixed in 78esr are not critical |
| 18:01.02 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: why do they needed 10.6? |
| 18:01.12 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: newer versions of rust |
| 18:01.18 | NetTerminalGene | ah |
| 18:01.33 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
| 18:01.51 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: how did you know that? |
| 18:02.01 | oxek | if you need to be always up-to-date, then get firefox-esr from mozilla, not debian |
| 18:02.03 | NetTerminalGene | how are you aware of it? |
| 18:02.13 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: I've been following firefox development on debian for a while |
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| 18:03.15 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: do you use official debian firefox? |
| 18:03.56 | oxek | also search for 'Firefox' on https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200926 , it will tell you more info |
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| 18:06.50 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: i was using latest firefox from mozilla. their builds have issues. i don't trust it |
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| 18:08.54 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: then you can also try running the flatpak versions of firefox, they are separated from the rest of the system |
| 18:10.24 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: issues are in firefox code. for example, it doesn't show tracking list selection. it supposed to show that option |
| 18:11.07 | NetTerminalGene | and their tracking protection doesn't work sometimes |
| 18:11.16 | oxek | Disable the built-in firefox tracking protection and use ublock origin like everyone else |
| 18:11.19 | NetTerminalGene | there is no such issue on debian's firefox |
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| 18:13.04 | ratrace | oxek: CVE-2020-15673 kinda is serious |
| 18:13.41 | oxek | ratrace: they always label those miscellaneous memory safety bugs as High |
| 18:13.46 | oxek | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-43/ |
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| 18:14.31 | oxek | I am of course not denying that the situation in debian regarding firefox is far from ideal |
| 18:14.49 | oxek | the update always comes many days after official release |
| 18:15.04 | oxek | and I don't see how it could be improved |
| 18:15.29 | oxek | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 18:15.32 | ratrace | well with FF on debian running partial RELRO, memory safety bugs with evidence of memory corruption is a bit more serious :) |
| 18:16.16 | oxek | we're getting to the point where firefox is almost irrelevant anyway, so few are going to target it with exploits |
| 18:16.28 | oxek | 3% of market share? |
| 18:17.06 | ratrace | 3-5% |
| 18:17.19 | NetTerminalGene | :O |
| 18:17.24 | oxek | and a combination of linux, firefox, and especially esr version which is behind the regular release? It's not very realistic it will be targetted. |
| 18:17.42 | ratrace | I remember when it was over 30% and it seemed like it'd "take back the web" .... but then chrome appeared |
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| 18:18.13 | oxek | mozilla became complacent far before chrome appeared |
| 18:18.27 | aaro | well the chromium situation in debian isn't any better |
| 18:18.53 | oxek | I remember doing lots of benchmarks, profiling, identifying problematic areas and giving suggestions for improvements, along with code snippets - and being ignored for years |
| 18:18.53 | ratrace | oxek: I wouldn't be surprised with a highly targeted attack against debian sysadmins running FF. smiliar attacks already happened in the past (not against debian per se, but server admins) |
| 18:19.37 | oxek | ratrace: you are correct, I am not denying that. |
| 18:19.41 | NetTerminalGene | should we use chromium? |
| 18:19.58 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: we should just not use the web |
| 18:20.02 | hmuller | ^^^ |
| 18:20.05 | aaro | at least with firefox you have the mozilla binaries |
| 18:20.06 | ratrace | I use firefox, and I have a nice, very strict apparmor profile on it |
| 18:20.27 | hmuller | sigh, I still need to properly use apparmor |
| 18:20.29 | NetTerminalGene | i have firejail |
| 18:20.37 | oxek | firejail is nice |
| 18:20.45 | oxek | ,v chromium |
| 18:20.47 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u3; buster-security: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u3; bullseye: 83.0.4103.116-3.1; sid: 83.0.4103.116-3.1 |
| 18:20.50 | ratrace | I don't trust namespacing on linux to be security effective |
| 18:21.03 | ratrace | it's a good layer, yes, but in itself insufficient |
| 18:21.05 | oxek | ^ NetTerminalGene chromium is not gonna help much, it is very much behind too |
| 18:21.31 | NetTerminalGene | oxek: i have brave browser installed |
| 18:21.44 | NetTerminalGene | it gets timely updates |
| 18:21.54 | oxek | brave is not in debian repos. If you're using 3rd party stuff, then you're on your own wrt security. |
| 18:22.05 | NetTerminalGene | i know |
| 18:22.11 | oxek | might as well use chrome from google or firefox from mozilla |
| 18:22.29 | ratrace | flatpak or snap, that's why they were invented |
| 18:22.51 | oxek | flatpak version of firefox-esr would be nice |
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| 18:22.59 | ratrace | personally I prefer snap because it's relying on apparmor, and I use that extensively |
| 18:23.11 | oxek | I like bubblewrap |
| 18:23.19 | ratrace | does that work on debian with no selinux? |
| 18:23.31 | oxek | goes *pop* *pop* *pop* |
| 18:24.05 | ratrace | oh bubblewrap is USERNS.... well... that's usually the most vulnerable part of the kernel, wouldn't trust it |
| 18:24.58 | ratrace | CONFIG_USER_NS was even disabled in debian for long time |
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| 18:26.37 | ratrace | (even now it's enabled but limited) |
| 18:26.46 | oxek | to be fair, I don't know how people are getting infected by browsing the web. |
| 18:27.05 | oxek | as long as you use an adblocker, and don't visit sketchy websites, you should be fine |
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| 18:27.33 | oxek | it's a problem with the user primarily, the browser second |
| 18:27.34 | ratrace | adblockers aren't 100% efficient, and majority of people don't run with them. |
| 18:27.47 | sponix2ipfw | But I like sketchy websites |
| 18:28.03 | oxek | didn't google say it's now a little bit over 50% of users that have adblockers? |
| 18:28.06 | ratrace | even I don't run with them. the only extension in that regard I have is PrivacyBadger and CookieAutoDelete, and a DNS blacklist I assembled over the years |
| 18:28.22 | ratrace | oxek: eh? [citation needed, I'm curious now] |
| 18:28.29 | oxek | I'll try to find it |
| 18:29.01 | NetTerminalGene | i don't believe %50 would use adblocker |
| 18:29.13 | ratrace | doesn't sound right |
| 18:29.23 | NetTerminalGene | you can check how many user use adblocker |
| 18:29.35 | NetTerminalGene | in addon page |
| 18:30.30 | sponix2ipfw | Hate to say it but people using sketchy ad blockers is part of the problem |
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| 18:32.52 | oxek | ratrace: can't easily find it. I'm likely wrong and it wasn't a report from google but someone else. |
| 18:33.13 | sponix2ipfw | Pi-hole dns, privacy badger, uBlock origin, noscript |
| 18:33.24 | oxek | NetTerminalGene: there are many adblockers and many browsers, summing it up without overlap would be hard |
| 18:33.41 | sponix2ipfw | Is what I use |
| 18:33.56 | oxek | privacy badger is pointless if you have ublock origin, no? |
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| 18:36.50 | EdePopede | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.17 | oxek | most websites should not exist anyway |
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| 18:38.28 | oxek | I have a rule that on my personal machines I only visit websites I donate money to, have a subscription to, or they have a different revenue model (such as selling something) |
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| 18:40.11 | EdePopede | ad driven sites sell your data ;) |
| 18:40.28 | oxek | :) |
| 18:40.50 | ratrace | which is meaningful only if they have a persistent profile on you, so privacy is not hard to achieve even without ad blockers |
| 18:41.00 | oxek | I was a little shocked when I visited the debian.org website, and saw that green box |
| 18:41.05 | oxek | thought it was some ad at first |
| 18:41.11 | oxek | it didn't use to be there |
| 18:41.31 | oxek | (colorblind here, so no idea if it is really green) |
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| 18:42.55 | EdePopede | i've been using a vanilla profile right now for some weeks, i think it is even worse than when i started using noscript |
| 18:43.29 | oxek | it's a pity that umatrix is no longer being developed |
| 18:43.38 | EdePopede | oxek: the one at the top, full-width with the download link? it's blue-ish ;) |
| 18:43.59 | EdePopede | i think green has a bad reputation because of sf.net |
| 18:45.22 | EdePopede | personally i don't even care about ads in general, i grew up with them in journals and partially on tv. but the web counterpart is just not acceptable. |
| 18:45.22 | archaeopter | Hey! Does somebody know how i can fix this weather widget? |
| 18:45.29 | EdePopede | "this" |
| 18:45.35 | archaeopter | Error loading QML file: file:///home/mg/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.weatherWidget/contents/ui/main.qml:113:5: Type YrNo unavailablefile:///home/mg/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.weatherWidget/contents/ui/providers/YrNo.qml:18:1: module "QtQuick.XmlListModel" is not installed |
| 18:45.41 | archaeopter | Fuck |
| 18:45.42 | archaeopter | on it |
| 18:45.43 | archaeopter | https://pastebin.com/354Zexpa |
| 18:45.50 | ratrace | !enter |
| 18:45.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:46.22 | archaeopter | https://store.kde.org/p/998917/ |
| 18:47.06 | EdePopede | iirc from the last time recently pastebin annoys with some cookie dialog? |
| 18:47.13 | archaeopter | I cant find the dependencies listed there |
| 18:47.16 | EdePopede | yah |
| 18:47.19 | ratrace | EdePopede: aye |
| 18:47.25 | oxek | EdePopede: blue, green, can't tell difference. I mean this one: https://0x0.st/iUa3.png |
| 18:47.26 | EdePopede | > We, the 'Publisher', and a select group of trusted partners, known as 'Vendors', need your consent for data-processing purposes |
| 18:47.38 | EdePopede | "trusted partners", bugger off^^ |
| 18:48.57 | ratrace | I always accept all them cookies. They be gone when teh tab is closed, mhihihihihi |
| 18:49.30 | oxek | EdePopede: convert the url to have the /raw/ in it https://pastebin.com/raw/354Zexpa |
| 18:49.40 | ratrace | (cookies and webstorage, CookieAutoDelete FTW) |
| 18:49.45 | EdePopede | i could open a private window, but i don't feel like even granting such a stinky even the idea of delivering them |
| 18:49.56 | EdePopede | oxek: yep :) |
| 18:50.19 | oxek | ratrace: probably better to use temporarycontainers |
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| 18:52.08 | EdePopede | archaeopter: anyway, i have no idea where this missing module would have to come from. maybe the kde folks know more |
| 18:52.14 | ratrace | oxek: I already use FF container tabs to maintain sites I do want persistence with, like work related etc... cookieautodelete + private mode for the rest |
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| 18:53.11 | archaeopter | EdePopede Do they have an irc? |
| 18:53.36 | archaeopter | Nvm, found haha |
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| 18:59.20 | archaeopter | Damn, it has twice the people and is a wasteland :( |
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| 19:01.24 | EdePopede | archaeopter: how does one "have an irc"? |
| 19:01.39 | ratrace | they're playing catch the tumbleweed game |
| 19:02.13 | EdePopede | not this time, i already looked for "smells like bologna" and ended up on UD :| |
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| 19:03.01 | archaeopter | have a community irc channel, is this verbose now you pedant |
| 19:03.11 | archaeopter | *verbose enough |
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| 19:03.27 | EdePopede | ah, "they". best here is to ask alis, /msg alis list kde |
| 19:03.33 | EdePopede | though i think it should be #kde |
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| 19:03.55 | archaeopter | It is, they even have a banner saying so, its fockin ded |
| 19:04.04 | ratrace | EdePopede: I just *HAD* to look it up :) |
| 19:04.15 | EdePopede | hrhr :) |
| 19:04.23 | ratrace | okurrrr |
| 19:05.34 | EdePopede | archaeopter: well, irc. join, ask, wait. may get 5 answers in the first 10 seconds, may have to wait for hours. the population size also isn't necessarily a reliable source for the activity of a channel |
| 19:06.03 | archaeopter | Ye, ill wait an hour and guess will have to find a worse widget, ugh |
| 19:07.22 | sney | I've found anecdotally that irc channels are more active when people are supposed to be working. and it's saturday |
| 19:07.35 | sney | if you don't get anything today, monday might be better. |
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| 19:09.42 | EdePopede | at work there's no family wasting your time ;) |
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| 19:10.04 | EdePopede | and the boss key was invented for a reason |
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| 19:10.56 | ratrace | oh boss key! bestest invention evah |
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| 19:13.21 | EdePopede | Yeah. Whatsda passwoid? |
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| 19:14.23 | EdePopede | do debian releases ever have eastereggs? |
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| 19:15.10 | oxek | what does a debian release mean in this context? |
| 19:15.17 | oxek | there are packages that contain easter eggs |
| 19:15.23 | oxek | and debian is made up of packages |
| 19:15.48 | sney | see 'apt-get moo' |
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| 19:16.13 | oxek | works even in 'apt moo' |
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| 19:16.50 | sney | aptitude took a different approach, haha |
| 19:17.00 | EdePopede | no, debian per se. like Suse had a "so long and thanks for all the fish" on an unused tty when it was becoming time for it. |
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| 19:18.25 | oxek | sney: aptitude -vvvvv moo |
| 19:18.51 | sney | yes, I know |
| 19:19.48 | oxek | debian release easter egg, if you try downloading the iso, and append -easteregg to the download URL, it actually downloads ubuntu |
| 19:19.51 | sney | EdePopede: I don't remember ever seeing something like that, but my memory is not reliable, and I could imagine it being somewhere |
| 19:19.54 | oxek | that would be "fun" |
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| 19:20.43 | EdePopede | :D |
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| 19:24.02 | hmuller | apt-get moo =) |
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| 19:24.43 | EdePopede | during usage sl is also nice |
| 19:25.24 | oxek | I don't think I've ever mistyped ls |
| 19:25.28 | sney | there used to be an argument for sl that made the train extra long |
| 19:26.08 | oxek | the -a flag is horrifying |
| 19:26.58 | oxek | and of course the 'easter egg' bug in sl https://manpages.debian.org/buster/sl/sl.6.en.html#BUGS |
| 19:28.07 | sney | for whatever reason, I'm more likely to do it when there's a little bit of terminal lag, like managing a remote server via putty on windows. I've seen the train that way a few times by accident |
| 19:30.13 | oxek | oh, is the kernel update in 10.6 the one that removes the virtual console scrollback? |
| 19:30.26 | oxek | can someone on 10.6 please verify it? |
| 19:30.56 | sney | my only buster system is using the bpo kernel |
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| 19:31.22 | sponix | I have a 10.5 install, do I just need to do apt update && apt upgrade to get to 10.6 ? |
| 19:31.28 | sney | yes |
| 19:31.34 | sponix | if so, I can check this in a VM real fast |
| 19:31.39 | sponix | okay, give me a minute |
| 19:32.07 | oxek | if that's the case, it's a bit surprising |
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| 19:34.15 | sponix | update to 10.6 with that newer kernel is in progress in the vm |
| 19:34.30 | sponix | so what am I checking ? That tty scrollback is broken ? |
| 19:34.40 | oxek | that tty scrollback no longer works |
| 19:34.50 | oxek | it's not "broken" per se, the feature was removed |
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| 19:37.21 | ratrace | oxek: scrollback's removed with 5.8 or 5.9, I srsly doubt it'd be backported |
| 19:37.32 | oxek | ratrace: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-signed-amd64_4.19.146+1_changelog |
| 19:37.34 | ratrace | that would break the "stable" promise of LTS |
| 19:37.37 | oxek | search for scrollback there |
| 19:37.49 | oxek | hence my surprise |
| 19:37.50 | ratrace | WHAT!!! |
| 19:37.56 | sponix | I am going to test this theory in a second |
| 19:38.23 | ratrace | (â¯Â°â¡Â°)â¯ï¸µ â»ââ» |
| 19:38.32 | oxek | ratrace: ? |
| 19:38.37 | ratrace | they backported it?!!? |
| 19:38.46 | oxek | sponix is verifying it now |
| 19:38.51 | oxek | it does not work on my system anymore |
| 19:38.56 | sponix | oxek: VM done updating to 10.6 with the latest 4.19 kernel -- So I need to go to a REAL tty correct -- Not just a terminal in X ? |
| 19:39.05 | oxek | sponix: yes, real tty |
| 19:39.10 | Lvl4Sword | â¬â⬠ã( ã-ãã) |
| 19:40.17 | ratrace | lemme test it too |
| 19:41.32 | oxek | a 30 year old feature... just gone... without any big announcement from debian |
| 19:42.12 | ratrace | on linux that nobody uses on desktops and everyone uses on servers where console reigns....... |
| 19:42.13 | sponix | oxek: what systemd command is it to drop from X to a real console -- I need that for my VM because I don't know how to send ctrl+alt+F1 lol |
| 19:42.35 | oxek | sponix: don't know systemd command, but maybe chvt will work |
| 19:43.15 | n4dir | systemctl stop <name-of-display-mangager> ; might be worth a shot, but i wouldn't bet |
| 19:43.32 | sponix | oxek: Yeah, its true -- I have 0 scrollback buffer in the real TTY |
| 19:43.32 | ratrace | sponix: systemctl isolate multi-user.target |
| 19:43.48 | oxek | well. Scrollback is dead then. |
| 19:43.51 | oxek | RIP |
| 19:44.04 | sponix | ratrace n4dir : thanks, I just booted into "recovery mode" though to get my TTY :) |
| 19:44.19 | ratrace | sponix: systemd.unit=multi-user.target on kernel command line for that |
| 19:44.19 | sponix | oxek: was this done as a security measure ? |
| 19:44.44 | ratrace | partially. there's a cve and no maintainer and Linus just said step up or shut up and deleted the code. |
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| 19:44.55 | oxek | sponix: kindof. The scrollback was not great code and nobody wanted to touch it |
| 19:45.04 | sponix | Wow |
| 19:45.05 | ratrace | Imma migrate to centos. this is riduculous. RIP LINUX |
| 19:45.17 | oxek | really strange to see it backported to a stable release of debian though |
| 19:45.25 | ratrace | "stable" is a joke |
| 19:45.37 | ratrace | it's supposed to mean api/abi stable, and this is EVERYTHING BUT THAT |
| 19:45.51 | oxek | maybe it was a mistake? |
| 19:45.55 | ratrace | might as well run arch, same shit with these backports |
| 19:46.04 | sponix | Think with all the Corporate backing the kernel has now someone from IBM, Red Hat, or others would have stepped up on this |
| 19:46.11 | ratrace | what's the difference between 4.19 and 5.10-rc if they gonna backport crap |
| 19:46.45 | imMute | if by "crap" you mean a security fix... |
| 19:46.48 | oxek | do we have any experts in here that could chime in whether this was intentional? |
| 19:46.50 | ratrace | confirmed here too.. RIP Shift+PgUp in console..... :( |
| 19:46.52 | n4dir | imho one of the BSD's looks more and more like the best option. |
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| 19:47.23 | ratrace | RIP DUMBIAN |
| 19:47.34 | oxek | I only found out about this because after upgrade, the graphical interface did not start up so I had to go to a tty |
| 19:48.37 | imMute | the scrollback disappeared when switching between VTs for a while anyway |
| 19:48.43 | ratrace | I ran upgrade tests on VMs before tonight's plan to upgrade all the servers but now..... now I no longer care, let it rot. I'll be planning a switch to a less joke of an OS. and no, not just because of this, this is just final straw that broke the crapux camel back |
| 19:49.05 | oxek | I genuinely feel sad for scrollback, it has been with me for such a long time |
| 19:49.21 | oxek | I did not mean to make you angry ratrace |
| 19:49.26 | ratrace | I knew this was coming in future kernels, but I never thought they'd backport such a big, huge change for SERVER CENTRIC OS like Linux! |
| 19:49.55 | ratrace | oxek: you did not! GKH and/or whoever's the maintainer for backports did! This ain't his first time, last time I fumed for his political backports to subvert ZFS |
| 19:50.02 | imMute | ratrace: you never thought they'd backport a security fix (even if the "fix" is to just remove the feature outright) ???? |
| 19:50.30 | ratrace | imMute: knowing how many fixes are NOT backported, yes, I actually did not thing they'd go ahead and break LTS like this |
| 19:51.05 | imMute | it's not broken. you just can't scrollback in the VT anymore. |
| 19:51.06 | ratrace | is not the fix tho. the cve fix did not require removing the whole functionality |
| 19:51.14 | imMute | which you couldn't do when switching between VTs anyway. |
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| 19:51.27 | imMute | and you can get the feature back by using something like tmux or screen if you really really need it. |
| 19:52.04 | ratrace | imMute: I guess you don't understand the real issue here |
| 19:52.07 | imMute | you're right, they could have fixed it without removing the feature. but no one stepped up to do that work (presumably because no one cares enough about the feature). so Linux patched the hole by removing the feature. |
| 19:52.35 | ratrace | the real issue is boiling for the past few years with political and other breaking backports to LTS kernels |
| 19:52.37 | oxek | imMute: the real issue is changing behavior of a stable (meaning "does not change") release |
| 19:52.59 | ratrace | there is no "LTS" kernel. it's all made up crap. nobody should be running anythin but latest mainline and kernel devs themselves are saying that. RIP linux. |
| 19:52.59 | oxek | and without any big announcements from debian |
| 19:53.01 | imMute | oxek: you'd rather they not backport security fixes then? |
| 19:53.22 | oxek | I too run some stuff on servers where my only access is IPMI, and don't have tmux there |
| 19:53.41 | oxek | imMute: they already don't backports lots of security fixes, because they would break userspace. |
| 19:53.49 | codedmart | I could use some luks help. I am installing debian from arch. I have it all installed, but I can't get the initramfs to update with the crypt info. I keep getting `cryptsetup: ERROR: Couldn't resolve device /dev/mapper/crypt`. I am chroot'ed in from my arch install. |
| 19:54.09 | ratrace | the "security" implication of CVE-2020-14390 is riduculous compared to actual bugs that exist and are NOT YET patched |
| 19:54.36 | ratrace | cdown: the crypto device must match what you wrote in /etc/crypttab |
| 19:54.48 | ratrace | codedmart: ^^^^ (sorry cdown, tabfail) |
| 19:55.41 | ratrace | cdown: or in other words, when you chroot, you must open the LUKS container with the same name that you had in crypttab. by default it's sdx_crypt where x is the actual device partition number |
| 19:55.54 | ratrace | (iirc) |
| 19:56.14 | codedmart | ratrace does that matter if I opened it from arch? It does match. |
| 19:56.31 | ratrace | codedmart: the host distro is irrelevant, just the mapper name must be the same |
| 19:56.58 | ratrace | re-check because by that message it's not. /dev/mapper/crypt is not what the installer would write in crypttab by itself |
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| 19:57.19 | EdePopede | ratrace: you could switch to XP, i've read it is open source now ;) |
| 19:57.23 | ratrace | I mean "crypt", there's no /dev/mapper in the first column for crypttab |
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| 19:57.32 | ratrace | EdePopede: oh yeah, leaked innit :) |
| 19:57.44 | ska | Is it safe to use Snap on debian? |
| 19:58.01 | EdePopede | promises some fun, there seems to be a lot of public hardware running on it |
| 19:58.25 | ratrace | ska: you mean snaps? snapd containers? |
| 19:58.31 | codedmart | ratrace I opened in arch `sudo cryptsetup open /dev/sda3 crypt` then mounted btrfs subvolumes and chroot'ed into debian. /etc/crypttab has `crypt UUID=... luks,discard` |
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| 19:58.55 | ratrace | codedmart: that's the crypttab in the debian chroot? |
| 19:59.03 | ska | ratrace: I want to install gvm, but I usually just install it locally. |
| 19:59.17 | ratrace | ska: that does not answer my question :) |
| 19:59.39 | ratrace | ,i snapd |
| 19:59.41 | judd | Package snapd (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: Daemon and tooling that enable snap packages. Version: 2.37.4-1+b1; Size: 13957.6k; Installed: 59579k; Homepage: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd |
| 19:59.43 | ratrace | ,i snap |
| 19:59.44 | judd | Package snap (science, optional) in buster/amd64: location of genes from DNA sequence with hidden markov model. Version: 2013-11-29-9; Size: 364.7k; Installed: 2646k; Homepage: https://www.psc.edu/index.php/user-resources/software/snap; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/snap |
| 19:59.47 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.04 | ska | ratrace: yes I think snaps |
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| 20:00.34 | ratrace | ska: snapd you mean. it works, it does what it's intended to to, it lacks some desktop integrations, but.... it works. |
| 20:00.42 | ratrace | to *do |
| 20:00.52 | Thete | does bluetooth on debian just not work very well for BT audio devices? |
| 20:01.22 | Thete | or linux in general? |
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| 20:01.42 | codedmart | ratrace: Yes that is the crypttab from the chroot. |
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| 20:02.00 | ska | ratrace: Do conservative debian users consider it legit? |
| 20:02.08 | ratrace | codedmart: okay how did you chroot? maybe you're missing /dev mount? |
| 20:02.23 | ratrace | ska: no :) |
| 20:02.43 | ska | ratrace: ok.. Thanks. |
| 20:02.43 | codedmart | I just did `sudo chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash` |
| 20:03.02 | ratrace | codedmart: okay so you did not prepare it with bind moutns to /proc, /dev and /sys ? you need those |
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| 20:03.31 | codedmart | Oh ok I followed this: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 20:04.18 | ratrace | you actually need /dev and /proc for initramfs, but it's best to have them all. bind -t proc proc /mnt/chroot/proc ; bind -R /dev /mnt/chroot/dev ; bind -R /sys /mnt/chroot/sys ; chroot /mnt/chroot ; source /etc/profile ; export PS1="(chroot) $PS1" |
| 20:04.39 | ratrace | codedmart: assuming /mnt/chroot is where you mounted the rootfs, and source + export are optional, run in the chroot shell |
| 20:04.47 | ratrace | also, don't forget to mount /boot ! |
| 20:06.45 | ratrace | (you can also use systemd-nspawn ; as chroot in some cases tends to break the system integration through /proc so you have to reboot the host after you exit the chroot, because it's broken) |
| 20:06.55 | ratrace | *systemd integration |
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| 20:08.10 | codedmart | OK I don't have bind installed so looking for that in arch. |
| 20:08.15 | codedmart | Thanks for your help. |
| 20:09.30 | codedmart | Oh nevermind I see :face_palm |
| 20:09.32 | codedmart | Duh |
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| 20:11.12 | ratrace | codedmart: blame the FOSSy software naming schemes... |
| 20:11.42 | ratrace | and yes I typo'd, should be mount, not bind.... I'm distraught by this stupid !sns thing they added to stable kernel |
| 20:12.06 | oxek | ratrace: any chance you could ask on OFTC if it was intentional? |
| 20:12.33 | codedmart | ratrace I am seeing this `mount: /mnt/debian/proc: special device proc does not exist.` |
| 20:12.39 | ratrace | oxek: pretty sure it is. debian's policy is to rebase to latest-y LST release |
| 20:13.06 | ratrace | codedmart: mount -t proc proc /mnt/debian/proc ? |
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| 20:13.27 | oxek | ratrace: I'm not sure of anything anymore. |
| 20:13.57 | ratrace | oxek: they happily backported the political patch that broke ZFS. 'nuff said. |
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| 20:15.21 | ska | ratrace: sometimes its difficult to find the right question. |
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| 20:18.32 | ratrace | ska: hmmm? |
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| 20:22.08 | codedmart | OK that seems better. I am only getting warnings now on update-initramfs. But I am still getting dropped into initramfs when booting saying it can't find device /dev/mapper/crypt. |
| 20:22.46 | ratrace | codedmart: paste the warnings somewhere please |
| 20:26.31 | codedmart | https://gist.github.com/codedmart/549ae55bd0a8e4a8fbb6bb5268b9f89e |
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| 20:28.00 | codedmart | So is it reading from the host as well? vgcrypt is my arch lvm luks? |
| 20:28.08 | ratrace | codedmart: you're missing the "key" column between UUID and luks,discard. use none if you don't have any special key devices or keyscripts |
| 20:28.35 | ratrace | like this: crypt UUID=b62db806-97f0-43bc-a401-fd61f5e02e30 none luks,discard |
| 20:28.48 | ratrace | also, consider using fstrim.service instead of discard |
| 20:29.24 | codedmart | Great let me try this. Really appreciate all the help. |
| 20:29.39 | ratrace | codedmart: that vgcrypt btw... where does it fit in the mount tree for debian? |
| 20:30.12 | ratrace | the way this works is that initramfs hooks are looking at mountpoints and then back through mappers to the device they're on. so if vgcrypt is mentioned, it must mean it's needed by the rootfs somehow |
| 20:30.15 | codedmart | Oh it was mounted I suppose when I mounted /dev since I have that in my arch tree. |
| 20:30.46 | ratrace | well I'm not sure if there would be a warning like that unless the device was referenced in the mountpoint of the rootfs or something else in fstab |
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| 20:31.46 | codedmart | Hmm... it is not in my debian fstab. |
| 20:31.51 | tomreyn | ratrace: the 'discard' option in /etc/crypttab (interpreted by cryptsetup) has a different meaning than the 'discard' file system mount option in e.g. /etc/fstab |
| 20:32.47 | tomreyn | (this is in response to "consider using fstrim.service instead of discard") |
| 20:32.49 | ratrace | tomreyn: I know. it just passes through from the filesystem. but I'm assuming then the rootfs is mounted with discard too |
| 20:33.56 | tomreyn | ratrace: hmm, i wouldn't immediately assume this as a result of seeing the discard option set in /etc/crypttab |
| 20:34.47 | tomreyn | (since you'd also need it to make fstrim.service work) |
| 20:34.59 | ratrace | hrm, point. |
| 20:35.24 | ratrace | so.... "consider using the fstrim.service instead of mounting the filesystem with discard option" |
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| 20:36.40 | tomreyn | ratrace: sorry, i didn't mean to call you out or anything. i like this way of putting it. |
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| 20:36.52 | ratrace | tomreyn: yeah, np, good catch. |
| 20:37.05 | tomreyn | :) |
| 20:37.11 | JyZyXEL | discard isn't a mount option when used in crypttab |
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| 20:43.26 | codedmart | ratrace Thanks again! Success, now I just need to find the right firmware for my wifi card. Then start transfering setting, getting things setup. So I can have a more stable system. |
| 20:43.59 | willow_ | for i in /dev/ /dev/pts /proc /sys ; do mount -B $i /mnt/$i ; done |
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| 20:44.55 | ratrace | you're missing /dev/shm and submounts in /sys :) |
| 20:45.34 | ratrace | ideally, using systemd-nspawn does it all, but you just have to --bind or --bind-ro /dev explicitly as it's otherwise private /dev in the namespace |
| 20:46.09 | ratrace | (and it's recursive bind too, so that covers submounts) |
| 20:55.15 | sponix | how do I get nft to list all rules ? |
| 20:55.25 | oxek | for i in /sys /proc /run /dev /dev/pts; do sudo mount --bind "$i" "/mnt$i"; done |
| 20:55.28 | oxek | is what I use |
| 20:55.31 | oxek | is that wrong? |
| 20:56.56 | ratrace | you're missing /dev/shm and submounts in /sys :) |
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| 20:58.01 | imbenx | test |
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| 21:00.28 | sney | !test |
| 21:00.28 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 21:00.53 | ska | ratrace: It took me a few tries to find the right question to ask.. |
| 21:01.13 | oxek | for i in /proc /sys /dev /run; do sudo mount --rbind "$i" "/mnt$i"; done |
| 21:01.19 | oxek | is that the correct version now? |
| 21:01.31 | imbenx | !test |
| 21:01.31 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 21:02.49 | imbenx | why nobody talks |
| 21:02.51 | ratrace | oxek: better. also binding /run may or may not be counter productive, depending on what you need from it |
| 21:03.26 | oxek | looks like I need to look into it some more, because I've been using it without understanding it |
| 21:04.11 | sney | imbenx: do you have a debian question? |
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| 21:06.30 | ratrace | oxek: consider systemd-nspawn, it sets everything up correctly, and you only need to explicitly --bind(-ro) /dev |
| 21:06.41 | ratrace | like, systemd-nspawn --bind-ro=/dev -D /path/to/chroot |
| 21:07.03 | oxek | ratrace: I'm unsure if systemd runs in the debian recovery enviroment that's started from the installer cd |
| 21:07.13 | oxek | hence I avoided it |
| 21:07.36 | sney | imbenx: do not private message people without asking. Keep all questions in the channel. |
| 21:08.59 | ratrace | oxek: you mean the Advanced mode > Rescue mode ? |
| 21:09.13 | oxek | ratrace: yes |
| 21:09.25 | oxek | I don't think systemd-container is included |
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| 21:10.44 | ratrace | oxek: right, it's busybox shell |
| 21:11.27 | hmuller | I use systemd-nspawn for all my container needs, for multi-partition images I use kpartx then do the mounts manually, then load up in systemd-nspawn |
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| 21:26.22 | ws2k3 | is it possible to reload/reconfigure networkctl in debian 9? or do i have to reboot for that |
| 21:27.09 | imMute | ws2k3: systemd restart systemd-networkd ? |
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| 21:27.59 | ws2k3 | imMute: weird my secondary ip is not added to the interface |
| 21:28.21 | ws2k3 | while networkctl shows setup configured |
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| 21:37.25 | Mazhive | can some o ne tell me how i can solve pxe problem concerning pihole not running properly after enabling tftp |
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| 21:54.58 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Very little in Linux requires a full reboot, you can usually just restart a specific service. |
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| 21:57.29 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Maybe bring it up with ifup? |
| 21:58.10 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Did you set it to "hotplug" or "auto", and is it connected to something? |
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| 21:58.57 | luuuciano_ | "¯\_(ã)_/¯" |
| 21:58.57 | luuuciano_ | Control+Shift+Alt + d |
| 21:59.06 | luuuciano_ | that should work on the xbindkeys config file?? |
| 22:01.02 | ws2k3 | thank you jhutchins |
| 22:01.03 | ratrace | ws2k3: are you actually using systemd-networkd, or ifupd? |
| 22:01.55 | ws2k3 | ratrace: systemd-networkd |
| 22:02.08 | somiaj | jhutchins: allow-hotplug |
| 22:02.31 | ratrace | ws2k3: so /etc/network/interfaces is irrelevant; you'll have to paste your .network and other relevant units |
| 22:02.37 | somiaj | alos auto is just shorthand for allow-auto (the only shorthand I know of) |
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| 22:20.18 | EdePopede | can a program that is used to change volume destroy the functionality of the soundsystem? |
| 22:22.03 | EdePopede | i tried to use something that looked like alsamixer for that modern sound system for some time because this gtk tool just sucks. |
| 22:22.43 | somiaj | EdePopede: it shouldn't. You can talk to pulse with different clients. |
| 22:22.46 | EdePopede | now when i unplug and replag the loudspeakers i don't have to switch manually from digital to analog like i did in the past, i have to kill the sound server instead. |
| 22:22.51 | somiaj | there are clit tools for pulse (if you are talking about pulse) |
| 22:23.00 | EdePopede | right, pule |
| 22:23.02 | EdePopede | pulse |
| 22:23.27 | EdePopede | but forget about their cli thing, it's unusable for non-technicians |
| 22:24.26 | EdePopede | and i can't even find any trace of that tool. either i installed it with apt, so i should have something in the logs and a deb. or downloaded, so it should be in /usr/local/bin. nada. |
| 22:25.22 | EdePopede | lol, found it. in the download area of course^^ |
| 22:26.20 | EdePopede | pretty nice https://github.com/GeorgeFilipkin/pulsemixer |
| 22:27.49 | n4dir | that seems to be in the repos too |
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| 22:30.08 | EdePopede | may be i googled it somehow. i really had no idea for what to search exactly |
| 22:30.49 | n4dir | yeah, just saying. |
| 22:31.22 | EdePopede | i'll try to remember should i find out my problems aren't related to it |
| 22:31.53 | EdePopede | i don't even get why pulse always switches to digital the moment i remove the speakers |
| 22:32.03 | EdePopede | i never had anything digital connected to it |
| 22:32.16 | somiaj | EdePopede: It might have changed some of the pluse configurations, maybe check $HOME/.config/pulse/ |
| 22:32.29 | EdePopede | and now i don't even get it back into a running state without killing it |
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| 22:33.58 | n4dir | not saying it makes sense, but i would also look if something is to be found in alsamixer |
| 22:34.15 | EdePopede | somiaj: a cookie file, 3 blobs, then 2 more: $HASH-default-{source,sink} |
| 22:34.25 | n4dir | else there is #lau and #opensourcemusicians. |
| 22:34.35 | EdePopede | 1 line each, that's alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo and alsa_input.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo |
| 22:34.47 | somiaj | EdePopede: you could move all that stuff out of the way, and see if pulse restets back to default settings. Might fix the issues. |
| 22:35.11 | EdePopede | right, could have thought of it already. usually it's just what i'm doing |
| 22:35.30 | somiaj | since some app could have modified files in there if you think the app you ran caused this new issue |
| 22:36.07 | EdePopede | odd, right now it is on Line Out (unplugged), has the same entry for Headphones. nothing digital, first time ever afaik Oo |
| 22:37.07 | EdePopede | hm, i have sound now, it only stays in unplugged state in the interface. |
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| 22:38.53 | n4dir | if "line" in alsamixer is the same as line out in pavucontrol i wouldn't know. But perhaps it is set to MM |
| 22:40.18 | EdePopede | nice. back to normal it seems. killed the server, started the controller, had only digital. plugged out and in, analog was back. even with (plugged in) |
| 22:40.54 | EdePopede | n4dir: i tried to get through the architecture, got stuck every time. |
| 22:41.21 | n4dir | tell me about it. Once sound goes south it gets very confusing. Glad you got it sorted |
| 22:41.40 | EdePopede | it just seems that PA is much more than just OSS and ALSA, and that ALSA can still be used together with PA. |
| 22:42.03 | somiaj | well alsa and pa are different |
| 22:42.09 | n4dir | as far i was informed pulseaudio is kind of "on top" of alsa |
| 22:42.16 | n4dir | as is jack. |
| 22:42.17 | somiaj | alsa is the sound drivers, pulse is the sound server that gained popularity |
| 22:42.31 | EdePopede | i have the impression what pink floyd used on stage during the 70s or in the studio was easier to understand than this |
| 22:42.42 | n4dir | ha ha. Right you are |
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| 22:42.48 | somiaj | there was another few generations of sound servers before jack/pulse, gnome use to have its own one, esound or something like that. |
| 22:43.04 | EdePopede | knew a guy who built his own mini moog. even this.... |
| 22:43.04 | somiaj | kde had their won sound server. |
| 22:43.19 | n4dir | EdePopede: Say what ? How cool is that |
| 22:43.39 | somiaj | though mostly sound servers are used due to the fact that cheap hardware is cheap and doens't have hardware mixing, though the switching sound streams on the fly, and better per application control of pulse is things you can't easily do at the hardware level. |
| 22:43.41 | n4dir | i found a how-to build a mini-moog with vcvrack, but haven't dared yet |
| 22:43.53 | EdePopede | n4dir: indeed. he was proud of it and had a reason to be :) |
| 22:44.55 | EdePopede | i'd really like someone with A LOT of time and enough knowledge of the topic to write a long paper on the whole topic |
| 22:45.26 | EdePopede | are sound cards even popular these days? |
| 22:45.30 | n4dir | linux soundsystem? |
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| 22:45.56 | EdePopede | games and music i can imagine, but for a normal office/desktop i think AC97 or what it is should be enough |
| 22:45.58 | n4dir | i read an intro to jack at libremusic. Not deep down the rabit hole, but for me it was ok |
| 22:46.08 | EdePopede | yep, or in general if that's even possible |
| 22:46.27 | n4dir | sorry, if what is possible? |
| 22:46.29 | hmuller | I have been using jack lately. disabled pulseaudio, and now it's just jack and alsa |
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| 22:46.46 | EdePopede | i remember i tried to understand the whole codec stuff in win3.1 already. which of course came with a book of 800 pages :P |
| 22:47.00 | somiaj | EdePopede: problem is dmix is a poor software mixer, and most sound cards can't mix, but I agree, for most alsa and its dmix should be enough. |
| 22:47.26 | EdePopede | tbh the reason why i HAD TO get to PA was skype. and i didn't want to drop it back then |
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| 22:48.34 | EdePopede | what i don't get with alsa how it handles different hardware combos. i don't implant new things on a regular base, still i had no idea what some of the entries were meant to be |
| 22:49.38 | EdePopede | one thing i really liked tho: plugging in the headphones didn't mute the speakers, so it has to be a software thing in PA i guess |
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| 22:52.12 | somiaj | I think that is alsa, the snd_hda_intel driver is getting much better at correctly dealing with sound ports |
| 22:53.03 | EdePopede | maybe that's what i'm looking for https://elinux.org/images/e/e7/Audio_on_Linux.pdf |
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| 23:08.34 | edufmass | Hello, I don't speak english very well hehe, I've read a lot about partitions and there are many recommendations. I have one ssd 240gb m2 disc and one hdd sata. I would like to have some virtual pc (with kvm) for php dev, another java dev and win c# dev. which partitions are recommended? which one in ssd and hdd ? |
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| 23:10.27 | dvs | edufmass: not for a server? Then I'd use the HDD for /home and all the other partitions on the SSD |
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| 23:13.17 | coruja | things needing fast file access (system, swap) to ssd, others (data, backups) to hdd |
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| 23:15.47 | coruja | partitions depend on your needs and customs, i'm fine with one partition for each os, one /home, and some more for data, audio, video which i mount into $HOME |
| 23:18.17 | EdePopede | > As an example, an older home machine might have 32MB of RAM and a 1.7GB IDE drive on /dev/sda. |
| 23:18.19 | edufmass | not server, is workstation, I never used kvm, should I use a physhical partition for virtual machines or file disk is right? |
| 23:18.23 | EdePopede | *how* old? oO |
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| 23:19.12 | sney | EdePopede: haha, where was that? |
| 23:19.26 | dvs | 486? |
| 23:19.35 | EdePopede | sney, dvs: are you prepared? |
| 23:19.39 | sney | 486 or early pentium maybe |
| 23:19.39 | EdePopede | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apcs03.en.html |
| 23:19.55 | ratrace | jajajajajaja |
| 23:20.08 | EdePopede | google was coming up with jessie (again, always does this), and i managed to find the stable version |
| 23:20.28 | EdePopede | my sysdisk is a 80GB barracuda btw, which i consider stoneage |
| 23:20.50 | ratrace | hey at least they didn't give /dev/hda in the example :)) |
| 23:21.02 | dvs | oldest drive is a Maxtor 250MB |
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| 23:21.24 | EdePopede | ratrace: the author maybe had a SCSI disc? :) |
| 23:21.38 | ratrace | EdePopede: they said IDE tho :) |
| 23:21.53 | EdePopede | right, Sherlock ;) |
| 23:22.02 | ratrace | elementary :) |
| 23:22.14 | EdePopede | what was the other one? md? or something? |
| 23:22.18 | sney | it's kind of cute but at the same time maybe someone should file a bug or something |
| 23:22.33 | genr8_ | maybe it did say /dev/hda once and someone at some point did a find and replace to /sda all at once |
| 23:23.24 | EdePopede | my approach would probably be to read that whole thing and mark things which seem odd |
| 23:23.59 | EdePopede | finally time to switch to buster. the SDD is waiting for far too long already |
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| 23:24.56 | ratrace | EdePopede: heads up, no more console scrollback in buster :/ |
| 23:25.54 | EdePopede | i didn't really like it anyway. no chance to switch to another tty and keep the scrollback. not to talk about the lack of erm... what C-o thing in midnight commander. alternate screen or w/e. |
| 23:26.41 | EdePopede | i was just surprised to see that i could use mpv in it while running X :o |
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| 23:29.12 | sorcerer | so i normally been ubuntu never really did debian head on, got it installer on an older laptop to play with now though |
| 23:29.37 | sorcerer | anything i should know coming over from ubuntu? |
| 23:29.43 | sorcerer | tips/tricks? |
| 23:29.55 | EdePopede | forget about PPA and the like |
| 23:30.17 | EdePopede | if you need newer things, build or look for backports first. |
| 23:31.13 | sorcerer | i see it doesnt come with sudo setup for the first user like ubuntu |
| 23:31.21 | EdePopede | !sudo |
| 23:31.21 | sorcerer | no problem, it was just weird when it wouldnt let me sudo |
| 23:31.22 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 23:31.24 | sorcerer | lol |
| 23:31.48 | sorcerer | i wasnt expecting it |
| 23:32.07 | EdePopede | oh, does #ubuntu have such a helpful bot? |
| 23:32.30 | sorcerer | if you trigger it right |
| 23:32.41 | sorcerer | doesnt trigger just from one word like that did |
| 23:33.09 | sorcerer | what WM do you use? |
| 23:33.15 | EdePopede | there's a couple of them, dpkg has certain keywords it reacts on. much like an encyclopedia |
| 23:33.25 | EdePopede | vanilla xfce in my case |
| 23:33.27 | sorcerer | ah |
| 23:33.36 | EdePopede | has everything i need and doesn't kill my system |
| 23:33.39 | sorcerer | i use to use xfce til i finally seen plama |
| 23:33.41 | ratrace | sorcerer: snapd exists, so you can use snaps if you like, they're just missing some desktop integrations |
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| 23:33.57 | sorcerer | before xfce i tried kde, i didnt like the older kde |
| 23:34.00 | sorcerer | but plasma, im loving that |
| 23:34.06 | EdePopede | if i have too much time i just open a few firefox tabs on some 2020'ish websites |
| 23:34.13 | sorcerer | LOL |
| 23:34.42 | sorcerer | thinks of a name for his debian client |
| 23:34.55 | EdePopede | srsly! 2GB RAM with a swap partition on a 80GB barracuda. and a GT630 graphics card, can you imagine how faaaaaaaaaast this system is?! |
| 23:35.03 | sorcerer | oh man |
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| 23:35.15 | sorcerer | i think the laptop im installing on is like 2gb |
| 23:35.18 | sorcerer | i hope its 4 |
| 23:35.21 | sorcerer | but i think its 2 |
| 23:35.24 | sorcerer | rofl |
| 23:35.33 | EdePopede | do you know inxi? lovely tool |
| 23:35.46 | ratrace | the next firefox-esr landed in testing! yay! few more days now! |
| 23:35.49 | sorcerer | i know it a lil bit, i would like right now but installer is going still |
| 23:36.14 | sorcerer | firefox esr is installed on my debian already, but i see people talking about they dont have it? or am i misreading? |
| 23:36.20 | sorcerer | misreading/misunderstanding |
| 23:36.36 | ratrace | sorcerer: 68.12 is, but the next esr, 78.3 is coming |
| 23:36.45 | sorcerer | oh ok |
| 23:37.11 | ryouma | are there settings one can do on debian that make it more user-responsive in times like when the system takes minutes or hours to respond to mouse movement or keyboard? |
| 23:37.11 | sorcerer | whats the esr mean? i never seen esr before, or never noticed it (keep in mind this is my first actual debian install lol) |
| 23:37.14 | EdePopede | from 68 to 78? did they drop their +7 scheme? |
| 23:37.55 | ratrace | well they do have money issues..., and now big chunk of the team is gone |
| 23:37.57 | ryouma | (please assume "add more memory" and "purge firefox-esr" and "don't run any firefox extensions ever" are not in this case options for my above question.) |
| 23:37.59 | sorcerer | i need some more usb flash drives |
| 23:37.59 | EdePopede | sorcerer: extended support release or so |
| 23:38.21 | sorcerer | okay |
| 23:38.24 | sorcerer | question |
| 23:38.26 | sorcerer | its booking now |
| 23:38.29 | sorcerer | but |
| 23:38.35 | sorcerer | how do i do firmware stuff |
| 23:38.43 | sorcerer | it says some stuff is being disabled cause of it |
| 23:38.43 | ryouma | sorcerer: suggestions for those are welcome if you are willing to pm me |
| 23:39.03 | ryouma | (referring to --- 16:37 <sorcerer> i need some more usb flash drives) |
| 23:39.23 | EdePopede | ryouma: in my case it is usually firefox (RAM) or copying tons of files (or just really big files) (disk i/o, maybe also in team with swapping at the same time, see the firefox mentioning) |
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| 23:40.17 | EdePopede | unfortunately it uses around 30% soon after start already, even with noscript :/ |
| 23:40.57 | ryouma | EdePopede: yeah i think it was firefox, downloading a big download, plus just you know firefox, and swapping to a swap file (which arch wiki says is as performant as partition) on the same hd. and i had 100% swap used and 89% memory used or so. but in such times, i'd like much more priority given to keyboard and mouse and display. can this be done? |
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| 23:41.36 | genr8_ | try using ZRAM for memory and swap compression |
| 23:42.02 | EdePopede | ouch, that's a lot. right now i have 1.18G/1.96G on RAM and 1.70G/5.00G on Swap |
| 23:42.05 | ryouma | oom killer went on a spree killing irqbalance first and then emacs (i'd have preferred firefox, i.e. whatever was using and requesting memory) |
| 23:42.41 | EdePopede | i was thinking already to define a hotkey to start something that kills firefox in that case |
| 23:42.42 | ryouma | genr8_: is that an odyssey to set up? |
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| 23:42.50 | ryouma | not a bad idea |
| 23:42.57 | genr8_ | no |
| 23:43.51 | ryouma | can oom killer be set to kill what is (2) alraedy using, and (2) freuently requesting memory? can kernel priorities be set to favor user actions? |
| 23:45.06 | ratrace | the upcoming systemd-oomd will improve that situation |
| 23:46.13 | EdePopede | i hope with Rust the situation will get better. as what i've read one of its advantages is you don't leak memory all the time. |
| 23:47.33 | EdePopede | maybe there will be a linux release of these one day :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM |
| 23:47.37 | ryouma | firefox will use rust? |
| 23:47.48 | ryouma | upcoming meaning soon to be in stable? |
| 23:48.14 | ratrace | no, bullseye |
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| 23:49.16 | ratrace | firefox already uses rust |
| 23:49.43 | ryouma | ok so upcoing to be in testing |
| 23:49.53 | EdePopede | ryouma, this looks like a starting point https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation |
| 23:50.52 | ratrace | ryouma: with systemd v247 I think |
| 23:52.15 | ryouma | i am systemd-ignorant but will just hope. what is very strange is that everything perfoprmed smoothly on my previous machine with only 4gb memory with 4gb swap partition; this one has 6 and 1 swap file and is much worse. |
| 23:52.41 | ryouma | swappiness makes no difference whtehr 60 or 1 on this machine while on the old machine 1 was really good |
| 23:52.44 | EdePopede | swap *file*? |
| 23:53.00 | ryouma | yes, arch wiki says it is just as performant |
| 23:53.30 | EdePopede | never used one i think. could test it on the other one... some day :) |
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| 23:54.15 | EdePopede | talking about swap, the other machine with its initial 4GB ran better from thumbdrive than this one with an installed system |
| 23:57.57 | Mazhive | guys i am having dificulties to get my pxe to work again i had a unexpected rebbot whil configuring , at had bein working for days my setup is router dhcp and a pxe server diffrent then the dhcp |
| 23:58.29 | Mazhive | sorry for the typos... |
